Insane Debate w/ African Immigrant — Transcript
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- 0:00How did you get into my country?
- 0:01>> My parents came here in in their 20s,
- 0:03man.
- 0:03>> Okay, are you an American?
- 0:05>> My DNA, my blood is from Africa.
- 0:07>> Then why aren't you there?
- 0:08>> Cuz I was born here cuz my parents
- 0:10didn't like Africa.
- 0:10>> Why don't you go back?
- 0:11>> Why would I go back when I'm doing well
- 0:13for myself here?
- 0:14>> Oh, you're doing well for yourself.
- 0:16>> Yeah.
- 0:17>> Well, so white supremacy must not be so
- 0:19bad.
- 0:21>> White supremacy must not be so bad.
- 0:24>> Yeah, it sounds like you're benefiting a
- 0:25lot from white supremacy.
- 0:28>> I I think I think
- 0:30I mean
- 0:33That's a tough uh that's tough, man.
- 0:35That's tough.
- 0:36>> It is tough. Leviathan 1776, thank you
- 0:39for the $20, Anglo Mogri, my guy.
- 0:42Oh, did we get Did we scare him off with
- 0:44the Anglo Mogri? He just said, "Yo, give
- 0:47me like 20 minutes to prepare." He
- 0:49literally messaged me earlier. He said,
- 0:51"You better prepare. I have notes." He
- 0:54goes, "Debate me if you dare." And I
- 0:57said, "Okay, I'm happy to have a a
- 0:58good-faith conversation." And I said,
- 1:00"Okay, we'll talk to you on stream, no
- 1:01problem." And he goes, "Yeah, we're
- 1:03superior to you. You better prepare. I
- 1:06have notes." I said, "Okay, yeah." And
- 1:08now it's time
- 1:09>> life force.
- 1:10>> It's an hour and a half later than we
- 1:12previously scheduled it for, too, by the
- 1:14way. I pushed it out an hour and a half.
- 1:17And I was like, "Yo, give me 20 minutes.
- 1:19Let me Google a bunch of reasons why
- 1:20blacks is superior, and then I'll come
- 1:22back to you."
- 1:24>> Perfect, Google.
- 1:26Can you hear me or
- 1:27the mic
- 1:28>> Yes. Yes, we can hear you now. Perfect.
- 1:30Sounds crisp.
- 1:32>> All right, perfect. Perfect.
- 1:34>> Cool. And do you have a you have a
- 1:35camera as well?
- 1:37>> Yep. I I just don't want my face on the
- 1:40internet, that's all.
- 1:42>> Oh, okay. Well, you challenged me to a
- 1:44debate, so I was hoping I'd be able to
- 1:46interact face-to-face with the person
- 1:48I'm having a discussion with.
- 1:51>> And
- 1:51>> That is That is one of our rules.
- 1:54>> Before we start, I'm going to need you
- 1:55to look at my jaw line for 20 minutes.
- 1:59>> But I I don't want my face to be on
- 2:01there cuz like bro, there's people in
- 2:02school, bro. You know what I mean?
- 2:04Like you guys are pretty famous. Like
- 2:0640,000 subscribers, I think people in my
- 2:09school could see us.
- 2:11>> Well, I mean is the position that you're
- 2:13defending socially contentious? Cuz I
- 2:15would think that you'd be able to score
- 2:16some sort of social status by appealing
- 2:19to the grievances of Africans, no?
- 2:23>> Uh
- 2:24Can Can you simplify what you just said?
- 2:26>> Yes, you are pro-black and that's
- 2:29popular.
- 2:29>> Yeah.
- 2:30>> No one's going to care.
- 2:33In fact, you should probably be
- 2:34celebrated, especially if you're at a
- 2:36mainstream
- 2:38university.
- 2:39>> 100% now.
- 2:41100% [clears throat]
- 2:42>> Okay. I I mean we'll we'll do the same
- 2:45thing that we always do, which is
- 2:46graciously concede to the inability of
- 2:49people to actually meet our
- 2:50requirements. I guess I didn't specify
- 2:53that we would need a camera on. So for
- 2:54now, we'll make an exception. That's
- 2:56fine. We'll keep it relatively concise.
- 2:58Um
- 3:00>> You reached out challenging to debate me
- 3:03and I asked you for prompts and you gave
- 3:05me two, one of which was blacks are
- 3:08morally superior, to which I asked you
- 3:10what your standard of morality was.
- 3:12And then you just said it's, you know,
- 3:14people treating each other fairly and
- 3:16with understanding, which is subjective
- 3:18and frankly doesn't really mean
- 3:19anything. But if you want to use a sort
- 3:21of vague standard of fairness, we can
- 3:22talk about it. And then the second one
- 3:24is that African people haven't been
- 3:27treated fairly throughout history. So
- 3:30I can start by just pointing out that
- 3:34the premise of your prompts isn't
- 3:36something that I accept. I don't think
- 3:40that history can be
- 3:41>> Why don't Why don't you accept that
- 3:42people need a need a like have a fair
- 3:45society?
- 3:46Why don't you accept that?
- 3:48>> Um it Well, that's not really what your
- 3:50prompt is. I Cuz here's the thing,
- 3:51you're talking about history, and I
- 3:53don't think that history can be viewed
- 3:56through a lens of what we now
- 3:59subjectively consider fairness. For The
- 4:02first reason is because you and I
- 4:04perhaps have different conceptions of
- 4:06what fairness even means, which is why I
- 4:08asked you to clarify your moral standard
- 4:11for that claim, but also because history
- 4:13>> I believe fairness is What I believe
- 4:15fairness is is that you don't look
- 4:17through a person through a skin color or
- 4:19whatever you You just look at that
- 4:20person based on what he does. And you
- 4:22treat and you treat them accordingly.
- 4:24Like if a person doesn't harm you in any
- 4:26way and doesn't bother you, you should
- 4:29you should do the same thing. But yeah,
- 4:31that's what I believe. An eye for an
- 4:33eye, basically. [clears throat]
- 4:34>> Yeah, I don't think skin color has
- 4:35anything to do with my worldview. I
- 4:37talked about that all the
- 4:37>> I think it does. I think it does 100%. I
- 4:40think skin color is like
- 4:41>> Well, then you don't know anything You
- 4:43don't know anything about my worldview
- 4:44then, because race is not skin color. I
- 4:47don't know if you listened to the
- 4:48previous interview that we just had, but
- 4:49we sort of went over it then. It's just
- 4:51a very unsophisticated
- 4:52>> skin color?
- 4:53You said race isn't skin color?
- 4:55>> Correct.
- 4:56>> Uh what do you mean? What do you mean?
- 4:58>> It is a physical feature that is often
- 5:00indicative of underlying biological
- 5:03diversity, but just because you have a
- 5:05certain skin color doesn't really mean
- 5:07anything. When we're talking about
- 5:08races, we're talking about people who
- 5:10genetically cluster in certain
- 5:13origins, right? So
- 5:15If a black So, if a black If a black
- 5:18person has vitiligo or some sort of you
- 5:20know,
- 5:21skin pigmentation disease and they turn
- 5:24white, are they no longer black people?
- 5:26It's like, no, obviously, all of their
- 5:28ancestry is African, so they're still
- 5:29black people. So, the skin thing, it's
- 5:32really it's really just a rhetorical
- 5:34tool that people throw in to confuse the
- 5:36conversation, because what it's meant to
- 5:38do is it's meant to make what people
- 5:40consider racist. When someone's being
- 5:42racist, they're characterizing it as
- 5:44some sort of irrational hatred of
- 5:46someone because they have a darker skin
- 5:48tone, which is never what people are
- 5:51doing when they're being racist, right?
- 5:53We're talking about behaviors that are
- 5:55correlated with ancestral and genetic
- 5:57populations, so.
- 5:59No, it's not really about skin color.
- 6:01Skin color like has something vaguely to
- 6:04do with it on the surface, but that's
- 6:05never really what people are talking
- 6:07about, is it?
- 6:09>> Okay. So, I I want to bring up my first
- 6:11point on on morality between like the
- 6:14two races. So, what I believe and what
- 6:17I've seen from people is that
- 6:20like white people, when when I see like
- 6:22a white person commit an evil, it's like
- 6:25very disturbing compared to a black
- 6:27person. Like I'm not I'm not
- 6:29African-American. I'm African, so like
- 6:32when I see like an African-American,
- 6:34like when they commit violent crimes
- 6:36it I'm not saying it's understandable,
- 6:38but like you can still sympathize with
- 6:41them cuz like like they're poor, they
- 6:43don't got no jobs, no money. But then if
- 6:46you look at somebody like Jeffrey Dahmer
- 6:48or any serial killer, like the way that
- 6:50they just like do BS and murder people
- 6:53and eat people alive or some BS.
- 6:55>> You mean like they do in Africa?
- 6:59No, here's the here's the here's the
- 7:00thing. First of all, first of all, first
- 7:01of all
- 7:02>> No, listen, listen, listen. Africans are
- 7:05a whole entire type of thing. Like
- 7:06there's cannibals in Africa or whatever,
- 7:08but I think it's like a more of a need.
- 7:11But like white people, when they do
- 7:13these type of crimes, it's like kind of
- 7:15weird cuz how do you not feel sympathy
- 7:17for the for the [ __ ] that you've done?
- 7:18Like there's something in their head
- 7:20that's not okay. It's like
- 7:21>> Well, let's let's let instead of talking
- 7:23about specific instances of barbarism on
- 7:27either side, we can talk about the
- 7:28claims that you
- 7:30>> It's like an animal. It's like an
- 7:31animal. When an animal eats something,
- 7:33it's understandable, but when it's a
- 7:35human, when you're when Jeffrey Dahmer,
- 7:38like when he
- 7:39you've heard about Jeffrey Dahmer,
- 7:40right? Like the way he he's accountable.
- 7:43>> But hold on, we're we're we're already
- 7:44getting off of the point here because
- 7:46you made a couple of very specific
- 7:48claims, and we're talking about viewing
- 7:50history a certain way. And we're looking
- 7:52at it through a moral lens. You you
- 7:53characterized it characterized this as
- 7:55fairness.
- 7:57But history isn't documented on the
- 7:59basis of who was the most or least fair.
- 8:03It's about cultural, industrial,
- 8:07political significance. People who made
- 8:09history are remembered because they were
- 8:11consequential. And this can be good or
- 8:14this can be bad like a Jeffrey Dahmer or
- 8:16something like that. But usually, it's
- 8:18because they contributed something or
- 8:19did something meaningful and lasting.
- 8:22History is characterized as a constant
- 8:26battle for scarce resources and
- 8:28societies rising and falling.
- 8:31And it I'm sorry?
- 8:33>> Who wrote history?
- 8:35Wasn't it your people?
- 8:36So how can how can we How can we as a
- 8:39people
- 8:40like how can we as a people
- 8:42>> So your objection So your objection is
- 8:44that history is false because the people
- 8:46who recorded it
- 8:48>> to me.
- 8:48>> Hold on. We're going to address We're
- 8:49going to address this because we're not
- 8:50going to do We're not going to We're not
- 8:52going to be talking over each other the
- 8:53whole time. Let's be very specific here.
- 8:55I was just trying to give you a
- 8:57breakdown of how I analyzed the prompt
- 8:59that you asked me to prepare for, which
- 9:01I I didn't do.
- 9:03>> [snorts]
- 9:03>> And I'm telling you about history.
- 9:04You're interjecting by saying, "Well,
- 9:05how can I appeal to history? Because the
- 9:08people that documented all the history
- 9:10were my people, white people. So history
- 9:12is filtered through a lens of white
- 9:14supremacy. Therefore, it's corrupted and
- 9:16therefore, we can't appeal to it as
- 9:17being accurate." Which okay, if that is
- 9:20the case, then how do you know that
- 9:22Africans were unfairly treated? Because
- 9:25the only unfair treatment of Africans
- 9:27that we have historically recorded must
- 9:29be necessarily recorded by the same
- 9:31people who recorded all of history,
- 9:33right?
- 9:34>> Easy. Easy Look, if if the reason why we
- 9:38know Africa is unfairly treated, bro,
- 9:40when we go to Africa, it's it's complete
- 9:42BS. That's why That's why my parents
- 9:44like moved here in their 20s. That's why
- 9:46they moved here cuz like Africa was a
- 9:48bad, terrible place. Politicians were
- 9:50bad. The leaders were bad. They were all
- 9:53They The leaders just used the money
- 9:55from the West for themselves and their
- 9:57family. They didn't care about the
- 9:59people and and a lot of it has to go
- 10:01back to Europe. Like a lot of these
- 10:03Western countries, like they they they
- 10:05like say, "Oh, we don't want immigrants
- 10:07here. We don't want Bro, like it's your
- 10:09responsibility to to take care of these
- 10:11immigrants cuz you're the reason why
- 10:13they're in this situation. If Africans
- 10:14and the Europeans traded, like let's say
- 10:16we give them resources, they give us
- 10:18technology, I think it would have been a
- 10:20perfect world right there. Cuz we have
- 10:22resources, they have technology. And if
- 10:24we combine our our our our our
- 10:28intelligence together, we could make a
- 10:30better society. But you guys just wanted
- 10:32everything. You guys wanted the
- 10:33resources for yourself, didn't share.
- 10:36And now you're going to
- 10:37>> the main Is the main grievance
- 10:38colonialism? Is that kind of what you're
- 10:40referring to?
- 10:42>> Yeah. Yeah, colonialism.
- 10:43>> So, the only way that you can utilize
- 10:45colonialism to moralize against white
- 10:47people is to pretend as if blacks had
- 10:50possessed the abilities and technology
- 10:53of the Europeans, that they wouldn't
- 10:55have done the very same thing, if not
- 10:57worse.
- 10:58>> Forget it.
- 10:58>> And this would be Hold on. Hold on. This
- 11:00would This is complete cope and it's
- 11:02dishonest because we've actually done
- 11:04the experiment already. We brought
- 11:07slaves here from Western and Central
- 11:09Africa hundreds of years ago, used them
- 11:12for free labor, and then later abolished
- 11:14it legally.
- 11:16Then we gave the freed Africans rights
- 11:19and attempted to integrate them into our
- 11:20society. And this includes voting
- 11:22rights, property rights, everything that
- 11:24they never would have possibly conceived
- 11:26of on their own, including documenting
- 11:28history, by the way. They didn't have a
- 11:29written language by the time the
- 11:30Europeans got there. We gave them Hold
- 11:33on. We gave them access to every single
- 11:36one of these technologies, all the
- 11:37amenities that we created and invented,
- 11:40and with access to all the same features
- 11:42of Western civilization, Africans, they
- 11:45chose, with all of those abundant
- 11:48resources, to contribute less and commit
- 11:51disproportionate amounts of crime. So, I
- 11:52would say that they were given a
- 11:55plethora of opportunities and still act
- 11:59the least fair by your very standards.
- 12:02So, let's use this ambiguous standard of
- 12:05fairness. From your point of view,
- 12:07right? Would it have been more fair to
- 12:11do what we already did? And that's bring
- 12:13Africans here, free them from slavery
- 12:15later on, and then give them rights,
- 12:18only for them to tarnish it with with
- 12:19their opportunity. Or
- 12:22to never have purchased them to begin
- 12:24with and allowed them to stay in Africa,
- 12:26where they would continue to be enslaved
- 12:28in worse conditions by their own people?
- 12:32Which would be more Which would be more
- 12:33or less fair?
- 12:35>> I I want to make a difference between
- 12:37slavery in in Africa and slavery in
- 12:39America. Okay, slavery in America, it
- 12:42was it was it was basically BS. But in
- 12:44Africa, it was a little better cuz you
- 12:47could see your family. And basically,
- 12:49like there was there was a time limit,
- 12:51basically. Like maybe you would work for
- 12:535 years for a slave for a slave master.
- 12:56You'd go to your family, and it was
- 12:58basically like
- 12:59like if you had debt and you had and
- 13:01they turned you into a slave in Africa,
- 13:04uh and if you paid off your debt by the
- 13:06labor that you did, then you go and all
- 13:08that. But
- 13:09>> So, it would have it would have been
- 13:11So, so it would have been better
- 13:14>> For America, it was unfair, bro. Like
- 13:16y'all treated the African-Americans
- 13:17terrible, man. Like you killed them, you
- 13:19fed them to alligators, you did all
- 13:22this. And And now, like I can't I can't
- 13:24believe these people have have the balls
- 13:27to like go up and speak about moral
- 13:29stuff. Like bro, you don't belong there,
- 13:31bro. Like you guys you guys seem pretty
- 13:34evil to me, bro. I'm not going to lie.
- 13:36>> I think this demonstrates the nature of
- 13:38how irreconcilable our interactions with
- 13:41blacks and other non-white groups are
- 13:43because this is just a a historic
- 13:45reading of history. Black people in
- 13:47America were treated better than they
- 13:50were treated by their own people than
- 13:51they were treated in Britain.
- 13:53>> Give me proof. Give me proof. Give me
- 13:54proof.
- 13:55>> Hold on. Hold on.
- 13:55>> Hold on. Hold on.
- 13:56>> Because because black people went on to
- 13:59accumulate civil rights and experiences
- 14:02in a first world country that they could
- 14:04have never been afforded in their own
- 14:05countries. Yet they have the audacity to
- 14:08use those rights to morally grandstand
- 14:10against white people which only
- 14:13demonstrates a supreme lack of
- 14:15self-awareness. So this whole like
- 14:17comparison analysis about slavery, if
- 14:20you were a slave at that time who is
- 14:22being transported through the
- 14:23transatlantic slave trade, the place you
- 14:25would want to go to is America. Not
- 14:28Brazil, not the Arabs, not the
- 14:29Portuguese. It would be America. One
- 14:32because the treatment was better. I'm
- 14:33not saying it was good, but it was
- 14:35better, especially better than how they
- 14:37you know they were being treated by
- 14:38their own people like the Dahomey tribe.
- 14:40People were cannibalizing other African
- 14:42tribes. They were doing rituals like
- 14:44human sacrifices for generations before
- 14:46European people ever arrived. So the
- 14:48whole moral grandstanding thing just
- 14:50doesn't work. And I would ask you this.
- 14:53On the [snorts] notion of colonization,
- 14:55if you want to grandstand and blame
- 14:57white people for everything, how come
- 14:59sub-Saharan Africans inhabited, you
- 15:02know, the continent of Africa for
- 15:03thousands of years before they had these
- 15:06extensive interactions with Europeans,
- 15:08yet they never built civilizations that
- 15:10were as impressive as the Europeans?
- 15:12>> As impressive? Well, first things first,
- 15:16I would say
- 15:17the Europeans like I studied the
- 15:19medieval times and what I've heard it
- 15:21was like like there were there were a
- 15:23lot of diseases and and whatnot and like
- 15:26the Europeans most of them were
- 15:27peasants. I mean some some Europeans
- 15:30were conquerors or whatever.
- 15:32But I think for Africa like for Africans
- 15:35life in Africa was pretty simple.
- 15:37Basically food, sleep. That's what I've
- 15:39learned. Like food, eat, sleep. Like
- 15:41like for you guys you had all this
- 15:43disease or whatever. And you guys were
- 15:45dying. You guys were like peasants or
- 15:49whatever. But for Africa
- 15:51like
- 15:52life was simple like they didn't have to
- 15:55go through that hardship. And I think
- 15:56the the main reason why the Europeans
- 15:58like evolved to the
- 16:01to the civilization that they were cuz
- 16:03they had to. Like they like they were
- 16:05tired of being peasants or whatnot and
- 16:07wanted resources, wanted manpower,
- 16:10wanted whatever. That's why I think they
- 16:12became what they became. But for
- 16:13Africans
- 16:15they they just life was simple, you
- 16:17know.
- 16:18>> They were they were plagued with
- 16:19tropical diseases and cannibalizing each
- 16:22other. And in some places like Senegal
- 16:23before the French arrived had an average
- 16:25life expectancy of like 25. So to
- 16:28pretend as if they were living a more
- 16:29fulfilled lifestyle
- 16:31>> All right, who
- 16:32>> evidence to suggest any of that.
- 16:34>> Who had a better who had a more simpler
- 16:36life in the medieval times? An average
- 16:38an average white person or
- 16:40>> Well, hold on. Hold on. Hold on. First
- 16:41of all, you haven't addressed either of
- 16:43our questions and we're already
- 16:44deviating from the topic of morality. So
- 16:48if you want to talk about racial
- 16:49morality, let's do it very specifically.
- 16:51And I don't know if you know this, but
- 16:53slavery does continue to exist in many
- 16:56parts of the world today. None of which
- 16:58are white countries. And the only reason
- 17:01that slavery was abolished in most of
- 17:03western and central Africa is because
- 17:06colonial powers put international
- 17:08pressure on them to do so. So in reality
- 17:11without the white man, you wouldn't have
- 17:14access to anything that you have access
- 17:16to now, and you may even be a slave had
- 17:20we not helped you rid your entire
- 17:21continent of it. So, what do you have to
- 17:23say to that?
- 17:24>> you're you're acting like the the white
- 17:26man created every invention. Like if we
- 17:29look at the Middle East and Africa,
- 17:31we've had some inventions, too. Don't
- 17:33lie.
- 17:33>> I I said nothing about inventions. I
- 17:35said abolishing slavery. Can you address
- 17:37what I just said?
- 17:38>> I have I have one question that I
- 17:40>> just I just said something to you very
- 17:42specific. I would I would appreciate it
- 17:43if you would just stay on topic.
- 17:46Can you respond to what I just said to
- 17:47you?
- 17:49>> Uh what did you say?
- 17:50>> The only reason why you are not a slave
- 17:53is very likely because white
- 17:54colonialists occupied Central and
- 17:57Western Africa and put international
- 17:59pressure on them to abolish them. It was
- 18:01really evangelical Christians which
- 18:03abolished slavery throughout most of
- 18:05planet Earth. So, anywhere you go in a
- 18:08predominantly white nation, slavery's
- 18:10against the law there. So, when we're
- 18:12talking about racial morality, which
- 18:15race is more likely to be upholding
- 18:16moral standards? the ones who still
- 18:18practice slavery, or is it the ones who
- 18:20made it the purpose of the law to
- 18:22abolish it everywhere on Earth?
- 18:25>> I mean, if you look at Napoleon, when he
- 18:28when he became emperor or whatever, like
- 18:31France
- 18:32uh banned slavery, but then he brought
- 18:33it back. So, I don't think you guys are
- 18:36still
- 18:36>> do with my question? What does this have
- 18:38to do with my question? I understand
- 18:39that white people practiced slavery.
- 18:41>> not talking about America. I'm talking
- 18:43about Napoleon.
- 18:44>> Napoleon.
- 18:46>> Yeah.
- 18:47>> That has nothing to do with my question.
- 18:48I'm asking if we're looking at in terms
- 18:50of moral significance, who made the best
- 18:53moral contributions to the world?
- 18:56Would it be Africans, or would it be
- 18:58white people?
- 18:59>> Brother, the Africans were victims. It
- 19:02didn't matter what you did. If you if
- 19:04you made slavery, or you abolished it,
- 19:06it didn't matter cuz at the end of the
- 19:07day, these Africans were victims, man.
- 19:11These Africans that were brought
- 19:12[clears throat] from Africa or whatever,
- 19:14they were victims. And no matter what
- 19:15you did, you you're still in the wrong.
- 19:18You brought them in the first place. And
- 19:20now it's you could you could say it was
- 19:22an act of mercy, but then at the end of
- 19:23the day when you stand against God
- 19:26>> The African slave owners were the
- 19:28African slave owners victims or just the
- 19:31Africans that were owned by the other
- 19:33Africans?
- 19:35>> No, no, I'm talking about like the
- 19:36African-American like the Africans that
- 19:38were
- 19:38>> Okay, but I'm talking Yeah, well, how
- 19:38did they get here? Through the
- 19:39transatlantic slave trade. Okay, so how
- 19:41did that happen? We purchased them from
- 19:43African slave owners. So were the
- 19:45African slave owners also victims or was
- 19:48it just the people that they owned who
- 19:49were also African?
- 19:52>> Why Why buy them in the first place?
- 19:54>> That is not the question.
- 19:56That is not the question. We're talking
- 19:58about morality. We're talking about
- 20:00victimhood. You're saying that they were
- 20:01victims. Which ones were victims? The
- 20:03people who owned the slaves or the
- 20:05people who just were the slaves?
- 20:10>> I would say it's probably both. I would
- 20:12say it's probably both.
- 20:13>> So the the the master and the slave are
- 20:16both the victim then?
- 20:18>> Like the black slave maybe cuz look,
- 20:21imagine these people come with with
- 20:23[ __ ] guns or whatever and say, "Hey,
- 20:25we want all the slaves or whatever."
- 20:27Like you're going to have to do
- 20:29something, you know?
- 20:32Like you're going to have to sell your
- 20:33own people, I guess, but we'll never
- 20:34know, man. We'll never know what
- 20:36happened.
- 20:37>> All right, I mean, I don't think I don't
- 20:38I don't I don't think we're really going
- 20:39to get anywhere here, unfortunately.
- 20:42>> can try we can try this. So the very
- 20:44original point that you were trying to
- 20:46make before we got into the debate about
- 20:48morality was that
- 20:50a claim about brutality and violence
- 20:54being unique to white people in America
- 20:57and you cited Jeffrey Dahmer.
- 20:59Other than Jeffrey Dahmer, is there any
- 21:01other evidence that you have to support
- 21:03that?
- 21:04>> I mean, look at all the famous serial
- 21:06killers we have. Ted Bundy,
- 21:09there's this clown killer,
- 21:11there's this one other guy
- 21:13that wore face masks of people that
- 21:15killed his own mom, which is crazy.
- 21:18And it's just a lot, you know, it's like
- 21:21it's like they're racist, they're
- 21:22murderers, they're I don't I don't even
- 21:24know. They're the ones that control the
- 21:25world, man.
- 21:26Like they're
- 21:27control the world. Well, there it is.
- 21:29There's the answer right there. They're
- 21:30the ones that control the world. You can
- 21:32get away with so much [ __ ] when you
- 21:34control the world.
- 21:36So here's here's what I was saying. I
- 21:37mean white people control the world for
- 21:39a very specific reason. So even though
- 21:41all of the available data, which is
- 21:43skewed against white people, still shows
- 21:45that they're underrepresented in these
- 21:47types of crimes compared to blacks, all
- 21:49this proves is that Hold on. All this
- 21:51proves is that in the end, when white
- 21:53people do commit crime, it's more
- 21:55impressive.
- 21:57That's why all of the most notorious
- 21:58serial killers have been white people.
- 22:00It's because when white people do bad
- 22:02things, it's more complex and
- 22:04impressive. Wait, I I just You said You
- 22:06said all these studies were against
- 22:08white people. Don't you guys make the
- 22:10Don't Don't you guys make the study?
- 22:13>> [laughter]
- 22:13>> Don't you guys Individuals don't make
- 22:15studies on criminality. They're
- 22:17collected by agencies. You guys control
- 22:19the media, bro.
- 22:20It's the white control the media, bro.
- 22:23Right?
- 22:24Okay. Are we going to the thing now?
- 22:27If if that's the case If that's the If
- 22:29that's the case, if you're if you're
- 22:31forfeiting your agency and saying that
- 22:33another group controls everything, and
- 22:35you can't trust any data, then how can
- 22:37you ascertain that white people commit
- 22:39more violent crime?
- 22:41No. No, you guys don't like
- 22:44I mean like per person, but you guys
- 22:46when you guys do commit crimes, it's
- 22:48it's disturbing. That's why Hold on. I I
- 22:49want you to I want you to address this,
- 22:51and I just don't think you're
- 22:51understanding it, cuz I brought this up
- 22:53to you earlier. But what he just said is
- 22:54something very specific. What you're
- 22:56saying is that any available information
- 22:59that my brother and I can appeal to to
- 23:01justify our argument is tainted by the
- 23:05control apparatus that exists. White
- 23:07people control everything. Therefore,
- 23:09the studies are false, right? So, then
- 23:13what available data can you possibly
- 23:15pull from to justify your claims?
- 23:19>> Well, I'm not saying they're false. I'm
- 23:20just saying you can't fully trust them.
- 23:24>> Then what are you trusting to What are
- 23:26you trusting? What are you placing trust
- 23:28in to come to these conclusions?
- 23:32>> I mean, I just I just trust for me,
- 23:34personally, I just trust what I feel
- 23:36like is right. Like from what I've seen
- 23:38and the experiences that I've gone
- 23:39through in my life, like that's what I
- 23:41When I see when I see stuff, yeah.
- 23:44>> So, you trust whatever you feel, which
- 23:46is characteristic of I suppose Africa.
- 23:51>> I mean, if if you're going to say that,
- 23:52then I guess, man, but
- 23:54>> Those are your words, not mine.
- 23:57>> Yep, if you put it that way, then yeah.
- 23:59I just trust what I feel, man.
- 24:03>> Okay. Well, I'm Well, I'm not convinced,
- 24:05but I mean
- 24:08I'll go ahead and I guess we're there to
- 24:09discuss.
- 24:13>> I mean, wait, let me let me check the
- 24:15DMs real quick.
- 24:18>> You You said blacks morally superior and
- 24:20blacks haven't been treated fairly
- 24:21throughout history, and you said you
- 24:23wrote a bunch of notes.
- 24:24Yo, what is your case for the moral
- 24:26superiority of black people? Because a
- 24:28lot of black people make these
- 24:30accusations, but what is your claim that
- 24:32you want to substantiate? What is the
- 24:34actual argument for black moral
- 24:36superiority?
- 24:38>> Well, when I see when I see a black
- 24:41person be kind, it's very different to
- 24:43when a white person's being kind. So,
- 24:45when a black person is kind,
- 24:47I feel like it's more sincere, you know?
- 24:50I feel like it's way more authentic and
- 24:52better.
- 24:53But when a white person like there there
- 24:56is there's this one white lady. Like
- 24:58she's my neighbor.
- 25:00And I just don't trust her, man. I just
- 25:02don't trust her.
- 25:03I don't know. Like I just don't trust
- 25:05her, bro. Like bro, when she looks at
- 25:07me, bro, it's just it's just these eyes
- 25:09of disgust, bro. Like she does not like
- 25:11black people.
- 25:12>> So, black people as a race are morally
- 25:15superior because you don't anecdotally
- 25:17trust your white neighbor.
- 25:20>> No, no, it's the other way around if you
- 25:21think about it. It's the other way
- 25:23around. Like they don't trust like black
- 25:25people.
- 25:26So, that's what I feel, you know. That's
- 25:28what I think.
- 25:29>> you're focusing on that detail, though.
- 25:31But how are you proving that black
- 25:33people are morally superior?
- 25:36>> I do like the the way like black
- 25:39kindness is way more meaningful cuz
- 25:42there's no point to be I mean imagine
- 25:44being kind in a world where you're
- 25:45basically like treated like
- 25:47you're treated like this, you're treated
- 25:49like that, but you still go out of your
- 25:50way to be kind. That that's really
- 25:53impressive, especially in a in a society
- 25:55that's against you, you know. And I feel
- 25:57like
- 25:59>> Well, black Americans are the most well
- 26:01taken care of, well fed, well medicated
- 26:04blacks in the history of sub-Saharan
- 26:06Africans. So,
- 26:10>> Yeah, I guess.
- 26:11I mean they
- 26:13No, no,
- 26:13no,
- 26:14we make they make they make the the
- 26:17least amount of money,
- 26:19don't they?
- 26:20>> They're better off here than they are in
- 26:22their own homelands. So, to say that to
- 26:24to characterize the dynamic that black
- 26:26people are just for no reason that we
- 26:29can really explain just being treated
- 26:31horribly at the hands of this mysterious
- 26:34cabal of white supremacists. I mean,
- 26:35what is actually the explanation for
- 26:38that? Other than just blaming white
- 26:40people.
- 26:41>> Well, I have a question. Do Do you guys
- 26:44think like white people are better
- 26:45people like morally than than black
- 26:47people or
- 26:49>> Are you answering my That
- 26:51>> No, I'm just I'm just curious to to know
- 26:53what you guys know cuz I'm trying to
- 26:54debate y'all and I'm trying to see like
- 26:56where you where you guys are at.
- 26:58I I know you guys know white
- 27:00nationalists or white people.
- 27:01>> Well, hold on. Hold on a second. Hold on
- 27:02a second. You're asking a lot of
- 27:03questions for someone who got into my
- 27:05DMs and criticized me for having a
- 27:07faulty worldview. You said my ideology
- 27:10is easily debunked.
- 27:11>> Yeah. Yeah, you do.
- 27:12>> So, it's like you don't even know you
- 27:14don't even know what we believe and now
- 27:16you're asking us
- 27:17>> a good question. That's a good question.
- 27:19You made that claim. Explain to us what
- 27:21you think our worldview is.
- 27:24>> From what I could tell, I think you guys
- 27:26prefer your own people. That's That's
- 27:29what I could see.
- 27:30>> That's correct.
- 27:30>> think you guys are white nationalists.
- 27:32>> Do you not prefer your own people?
- 27:35>> Do I care for my own people? Yeah.
- 27:37>> Do you not prefer your own people?
- 27:40>> Do I Do I not prefer my own people? I
- 27:42mean, mostly, but it really depends on
- 27:44the person. You know, there are there
- 27:45are good white people, bad white people,
- 27:48>> If you generally prefer your own people
- 27:51and we do, too, that means we have the
- 27:52same worldview.
- 27:54It's just that when white people do it,
- 27:56everybody gets freaked out about it.
- 28:00>> I mean,
- 28:02they do have a point when they're like
- 28:04like when you guys are like this, it's
- 28:06like
- 28:07like you guys have done so much damage,
- 28:10but you guys don't want to help help
- 28:12other people.
- 28:13And don't You guys I would say like the
- 28:16white people did the bare minimum. Like
- 28:18they didn't do anything great or
- 28:20whatever to redeem themselves.
- 28:21>> that your presence in this country,
- 28:23someone who literally identifies as an
- 28:25African, not even a hyphenated
- 28:28African-American, your presence in this
- 28:30country, your utilization of the
- 28:32technology
- 28:34the the utilization of the very
- 28:36technology you're using right now is
- 28:37contingent upon white people having A
- 28:39created it and then B allowing you
- 28:42rights to utilize it. So, what are you
- 28:44talking about? The lack of
- 28:45self-awareness here is absolutely
- 28:47unbelievable. You're saying, "We've done
- 28:48the bare minimum."
- 28:50>> rights?
- 28:51Who fought for those rights?
- 28:53>> Who fought for the rights of what? Black
- 28:55people? White people? Black people
- 28:57didn't even fight for their own rights.
- 28:59White people fought for the rights of
- 29:01black people.
- 29:03MLK is a CIA plant.
- 29:07White people
- 29:09>> What?
- 29:09>> White people afforded equal rights to
- 29:12black people, just like they afforded
- 29:14equal rights to women.
- 29:17Women suffragettes, they didn't earn the
- 29:19right to vote. Black people didn't earn
- 29:21civil rights. White people gave it to
- 29:24them.
- 29:25And the only reason why they still have
- 29:26it is because white people have
- 29:28maintained that to their own detriment.
- 29:30And now you have the audacity to come
- 29:32here, criticize me,
- 29:34you know, bring me into into this
- 29:35conversation, and try to say that my
- 29:37people are somehow morally inferior, and
- 29:39I have to defend the the opposing
- 29:41position. It's it's completely
- 29:43ridiculous, and you have no evidence to
- 29:45base your claim on.
- 29:46>> brother brother brother.
- 29:48What I believe is you guys, from what
- 29:51I've seen from history and what you guys
- 29:53the sins that your ancestors have done
- 29:55>> False history.
- 29:56>> guys are just terrible people, man. It's
- 29:58not It's not simple.
- 29:59>> Well, you're saying the history is false
- 30:01though because it's written by white
- 30:02people. So, how are you appealing to
- 30:04that? I don't understand.
- 30:06>> Because we have evidence of what you
- 30:08guys have done. Stories from people like
- 30:11Look, I have a friend that's
- 30:12African-American. Like his grandmother
- 30:15like her dad has gone through some
- 30:17terrible terrible stuff. And look at
- 30:20Africa, it's in crumbles cuz of you
- 30:22guys.
- 30:22So, I think I think the slavery and like
- 30:24the the the the massacre and the
- 30:28the the complete BS you guys did in
- 30:30Africa, like it's true, but not not
- 30:32everything you guys write is 100% true.
- 30:35>> You are the equivalent of a goldfish in
- 30:37a fish bowl, and you're in a fish bowl,
- 30:39and you're swimming around, and you're
- 30:41saying, "Where is the water at? I don't
- 30:43know where the water is."
- 30:46>> Just think of the history books as like
- 30:48the Bible. Like there were people that
- 30:51came, wrote it, did that, changed stuff,
- 30:53put it in, put stuff in, you know? It's
- 30:56not It's not 100%
- 30:57>> Is your Is your entire world view is
- 30:59just based off of your own anecdotal
- 31:01experience?
- 31:03>> I mean, that's how we That's how we I
- 31:05mean, isn't that everybody's way? Like
- 31:07we experience stuff, we see stuff with
- 31:09our own eyes, and then we make up our
- 31:11world view, yeah?
- 31:13Am I right or am I wrong?
- 31:15Cuz at the end of the day, I'm not a
- 31:17robot. I'm I'm a human being, you know?
- 31:19Like I see stuff and
- 31:21>> Yeah, but if you only if you only
- 31:22utilize information that you consumed
- 31:25with your own personal sense data,
- 31:27anecdotal, then you would have a very
- 31:30narrow world view.
- 31:32You know, there's like things called
- 31:33books. You can read books. You can read
- 31:34articles. You can watch documentaries
- 31:36and videos. And that can expand
- 31:38>> That's my point.
- 31:40>> But but but again,
- 31:42but again, you're appealing to something
- 31:44that you can no longer appeal to if you
- 31:47call it false. So, when you're saying
- 31:50that the history of Africans and
- 31:53colonialism is the moral inferiority of
- 31:56white people, then you have no actual
- 31:59Hold on.
- 32:00I need to be able to say a full
- 32:01sentence. You have no actual evidence of
- 32:04that because the only available evidence
- 32:06that we have are the writings and
- 32:07documentations of people who wrote them
- 32:10and documented them. So, if you're
- 32:12saying they're invalid,
- 32:14then how do you know anything that ever
- 32:16happened?
- 32:17>> pictures, too.
- 32:18Don't Don't forget about the pictures,
- 32:20man.
- 32:20>> Right. So, all of history is false then.
- 32:22That's your view.
- 32:23>> No, no, no, no. I didn't say it was all
- 32:25false. I just said we can't trust
- 32:28everything that they say in the history
- 32:29books.
- 32:30>> Right. So, trust what is convenient for
- 32:32you to believe, and then the rest you
- 32:33can fill in with your anecdotal beliefs.
- 32:38>> I would say just take it with a grain of
- 32:40salt. Not everything that they say in
- 32:42the history books is 100% correct, bro.
- 32:45>> Okay, well
- 32:45>> like the Bible
- 32:46>> Well, then I I can apply the same logic
- 32:48and I could say, "Well, how can you say
- 32:50we were morally inferior? You have to
- 32:52take it with a grain of salt. They were
- 32:53lying about that one part."
- 32:56>> How How How were they lying about that?
- 32:57You guys wrote it.
- 32:59>> You're saying that
- 33:00>> Like you guys
- 33:01>> You're saying that they were lying.
- 33:03That's what you're saying.
- 33:05>> No, they I would say they were lying
- 33:07about a lot of stuff, but telling the
- 33:08truth about some stuff. Like they
- 33:10probably lied about the like the same
- 33:13Look, look, I Here's what I think.
- 33:15Like I think they wrote
- 33:17like what barely happened,
- 33:19added a few details, and then just
- 33:23like stopped the like they didn't write
- 33:25the other stuff that happened. That's
- 33:27what I think.
- 33:28Cuz I feel they did way way way more
- 33:30>> to the How did you get into my country?
- 33:34>> How did I get? My parents came here in
- 33:36in their 20s.
- 33:38>> Okay. And what do you What are you doing
- 33:40here?
- 33:42>> What am I doing here?
- 33:43>> Mhm.
- 33:43>> In the Discord call or in America? Well,
- 33:45I was born here, man.
- 33:47>> I was born in the United States of
- 33:49America, man.
- 33:50>> Okay, are you an American?
- 33:52>> Am I an American?
- 33:53>> Mhm.
- 33:55>> Well, my nationality
- 33:57my passport it says American.
- 33:59>> What does that mean?
- 34:00Are you an American?
- 34:01>> blood
- 34:02my DNA, my blood is from Africa.
- 34:05>> Then why aren't you there?
- 34:08>> Cuz I was born here cuz my parents
- 34:09didn't like Africa.
- 34:10>> Why don't you go back?
- 34:13>> Why would I go back when I'm doing well
- 34:15for myself here?
- 34:16>> Oh, you're doing well for yourself.
- 34:19>> Yeah.
- 34:19>> Well, so white supremacy must not be so
- 34:21bad.
- 34:23>> White supremacy must not be so bad.
- 34:26>> Yeah, it sounds like you're benefiting a
- 34:28lot from white supremacy.
- 34:30>> I I think I think
- 34:32I mean
- 34:36That's a
- 34:37that's tough, man. That's tough.
- 34:39>> It is tough because it's a completely
- 34:41incomprehensible worldview and you've
- 34:43twisted yourself up into knots about it
- 34:45just to justify your own historical
- 34:47shortcomings. And honestly, I don't mean
- 34:50to like be a dick. I don't mean to just
- 34:51rag on you because I just I frankly
- 34:53don't think you're that intelligent and
- 34:55that's not your fault. But the reality
- 34:57is is that you have to apply some
- 34:59self-awareness here because it is
- 35:01completely ridiculous and in the coming
- 35:03years stuff like this is just not going
- 35:05to be acceptable. White people are not
- 35:07going to accept this [ __ ] for long. So,
- 35:09get your [ __ ] act in order.
- 35:11>> sorry?
- 35:12>> Who who said?
- 35:13Who said? Listen Listen to me. You do
- 35:15realize the white people don't Look,
- 35:17there there there are politicians from
- 35:19all around the world. Look, there are
- 35:21Look at Barack Obama. Look at Look at
- 35:23the Republicans. I mean, the the
- 35:25Republicans don't have that many black
- 35:27people, but look at the Democrats. Like
- 35:29if you're going to say if you're going
- 35:30to say like the the white people are
- 35:32going to say no no more rights for Bro,
- 35:34that's that's the ingredients to a civil
- 35:36war, bro. You think You think these
- 35:38these people are going to let that slide
- 35:41after everything I think if if white
- 35:43people get their rights
- 35:45>> it is that you think that you're making
- 35:46right now.
- 35:46>> like a civil war is going to happen,
- 35:48bro.
- 35:49I think you guys are good.
- 35:52>> Like I feel like it's too late now to I
- 35:55mean, if if you guys if you guys sent
- 35:58the Africans back to Africa, maybe y'all
- 36:00would have had a chance, but I think
- 36:01it's too late now.
- 36:03Like we're already in society. You can't
- 36:04do anything. We have
- 36:05>> So, therefore, we should accept our
- 36:07demise. Is that sort of what you're
- 36:09saying? We should then accept our
- 36:10demise.
- 36:14>> I mean, you guys are still controlling
- 36:15the world, man. And that's the sad part.
- 36:17I don't think you guys should cuz you
- 36:19guys are terrible, but
- 36:21it's whatever, man. It's whatever.
- 36:23It's really sad, man.
- 36:25>> Wow.
- 36:26>> I'm I'm frankly very compelled. I'll
- 36:27have to give my worldview some
- 36:29reconsideration. Thank you for sharing
- 36:30all that. Do you have any final thoughts
- 36:31before we let you go?
- 36:35>> I I think I think white supremacy
- 36:38and like white national
- 36:40white nationalism should go. Cuz I feel
- 36:42like these people pray pray on good
- 36:44white people. Like good white people are
- 36:46people that feel guilt for what their
- 36:48people did and are are trying to be
- 36:51better to other races and try to be
- 36:53kinder and try to be more godly. So I
- 36:56feel like white like white supremacists
- 36:58should should leave the country and
- 36:59never come back. That's what I think.
- 37:00But
- 37:01hey, who knows?
- 37:03Hey, that will never happen in our
- 37:04lifetime.
- 37:05That might never happen in our lifetime.
- 37:07>> Your judgment of what makes a white
- 37:09person in your eyes good is one that
- 37:11betrays their own people as long as it
- 37:13benefits
- 37:14>> Betrays? How how do they betray their
- 37:15own people?
- 37:16>> As long as it benefits as long as it
- 37:18benefits your community. So instead of
- 37:21instead of twisting this and trying to
- 37:23make it a moral argument, what you could
- 37:24do is be honest and just say that you
- 37:27hate white people.
- 37:28>> have some sympathy, man. Like have a
- 37:30heart, you know?
- 37:31>> This conversation exists because of the
- 37:34white man's sympathy. And it's not going
- 37:37to last forever.
- 37:37>> sympathy?
- 37:39>> It's not going to last forever.
- 37:40>> That's a crazy way to put it, man.
- 37:41That's a crazy way to put it, man.
- 37:42That is a
- 37:43>> That is a
- 37:44That's just true. That's just true. Like
- 37:46Forest said, this entire dynamic is
- 37:48contingent upon our tolerance and that
- 37:51is finite.
- 37:53And it's not going to last for much
- 37:54longer.
- 37:55>> Listen to me.
- 37:56Like most white people would would
- 37:59disagree with you, man. Like most white
- 38:01people like would
- 38:02>> change anything.
- 38:04>> [laughter]
- 38:04>> Most people across the board would
- 38:06disagree with me. Most people don't
- 38:08believe in anything.
- 38:09>> That's That's why That's why That's why
- 38:11America
- 38:13Cuz if people like you like white
- 38:15supremacists were in power we we would
- 38:17be all [ __ ] man.
- 38:19>> I thought white supremacists are in
- 38:20power.
- 38:23>> I don't think I think
- 38:25>> Who's in power?
- 38:26>> see the white supremacists are in power.
- 38:28>> They can't do anything. They can't do
- 38:29anything, man.
- 38:30>> Who's in power?
- 38:31>> then? Who's in power?
- 38:32Who's in power?
- 38:33>> Trump.
- 38:35>> Okay, who is in power? Which demographic
- 38:37is in power?
- 38:39>> Which demographic is in power?
- 38:41>> Mhm.
- 38:42>> Well, America. The white people, I
- 38:44guess.
- 38:45>> Okay, so white people are in power.
- 38:48>> Okay.
- 38:51>> Does that not just conflict with with
- 38:52what you just said?
- 38:55>> I mean, not completely cuz at the end of
- 38:57day, what makes a country is their
- 38:58workers, they're the people that fight
- 39:00in the wars, and
- 39:02yeah.
- 39:03Like we're we're America is not a race.
- 39:06America America is black, white, Asian,
- 39:08Latino, I don't freaking know.
- 39:10Alien, green, white, purple. America is
- 39:13just America, man.
- 39:14>> But you just said that if white
- 39:16supremacists ran the world, things would
- 39:18be worse. Something to that effect.
- 39:21>> They don't run the world. They they they
- 39:22run the West, but they don't they don't
- 39:24run the world now.
- 39:24>> West is the world. The West is
- 39:27absolutely the world. And by your
- 39:29standards, white supremacists do run the
- 39:32world.
- 39:35>> I mean, yeah, but
- 39:37>> [snorts]
- 39:37>> All right.
- 39:40>> Yeah, if if if white supremacists were
- 39:42in power, man, they would probably want
- 39:43to cleanse the earth, but thank God God
- 39:46is on on our side.
- 39:46>> power, according to you.
- 39:50>> I'm not completely. Not completely.
- 39:52>> Oh.
- 39:53>> Like they're the ones that say what to
- 39:54do. They're the ones that say what to
- 39:56do, but they don't have complete
- 39:57authority.
- 39:58>> Okay.
- 39:58>> You know?
- 39:59>> All right, well, sounds good. Well,
- 40:00listen, man, I really appreciate your
- 40:01time today, and I hope you have an
- 40:02awesome rest of your night. We're going
- 40:03to go ahead and let you go, okay?
- 40:05>> All right, man. You take care, man.
- 40:07>> Yep, take it easy.
- 40:09Yeah, I mean
- 40:11>> Remigration is the logical answer.
- 40:12>> Total remigration. It's they need to go.
- 40:15>> Yes.
- 40:16>> Non-violently, legally.
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