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Innocent Man: Kirk Bloodsworth Speaks at Chesapeake College — Transcript

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  1. 0:00good evening ladies and gentlemen my
  2. 0:02name is Audrey Stoltz and I'm a student
  3. 0:04here at Chesapeake college and a recent
  4. 0:07graduate of the honors program here at
  5. 0:09the college and I just want to thank you
  6. 0:11again for joining us this evening now
  7. 0:14that you have been able to see and hear
  8. 0:16Kirk's amazing story on the screen it is
  9. 0:19now my pleasure to introduce you to the
  10. 0:21man himself so please give a warm
  11. 0:23Eastern Shore welcome to activist and
  12. 0:26inspirational speaker mr. Kirk noble
  13. 0:29Bloodsworth
  14. 0:30[Applause]
  15. 0:31[Music]
  16. 0:32[Applause]
  17. 0:35[Music]
  18. 0:38oh
  19. 0:39come on sit down
  20. 0:41[Applause]
  21. 0:45I turned out I turned out pretty good
  22. 0:49I'm looking in the background Tim Duncan
  23. 0:52were you out Tim Duncan tune junk and
  24. 0:55calling tenanken
  25. 0:57are you moved on us Tim Duncan who wrote
  26. 1:01my book he's in the audience he is a
  27. 1:02local Eastern Shore man
  28. 1:04they want us to sign some after you get
  29. 1:07out so you you can't go nowhere
  30. 1:10I'd like to tell you all that I don't
  31. 1:13smoke anymore
  32. 1:16I
  33. 1:18haven't smoked in two years this
  34. 1:21December so I'm pretty proud of that and
  35. 1:23watching this film 100 times made me
  36. 1:25quit but I want to thank you all for
  37. 1:29coming out and you
  38. 1:32know it seems like a lot of people talk
  39. 1:36about the Eastern Shore and men and
  40. 1:38women from where we live and where we
  41. 1:40come from but it's some of the best
  42. 1:42bunch that I ever knew in my life
  43. 1:46I've got some of my family down here Jay
  44. 1:49and Justin and Jason and it's 3 j's
  45. 1:54there it's a but my two nephews and
  46. 1:59their father and several other my dad is
  47. 2:02in the audience he was 88 years old
  48. 2:04where you at pops Darius right here
  49. 2:08he's at handsome and it was the next to
  50. 2:11me in that picture i I really don't
  51. 2:15think the movie says it all I finally
  52. 2:18after you know our book has been out for
  53. 2:20ten years and and finally I had to last
  54. 2:24because you know I've been public
  55. 2:25speaking now for 23 years and I
  56. 2:30you know but you know what to say about
  57. 2:32Eastern Shore people man we can always
  58. 2:34tell a good story so I just wish it
  59. 2:37wouldn't what it was it turned out to be
  60. 2:40now I I have to tell you that it's out
  61. 2:44on DVD and you can buy at Walmart Target
  62. 2:47or any of those places to go online and
  63. 2:49get it and we want to tell everybody
  64. 2:52about the film it's been out a year now
  65. 2:54and
  66. 2:56you know it took us four years to make
  67. 2:58and
  68. 3:00Gregory bein I think did an excellent
  69. 3:03job pretty house and even the governor
  70. 3:05let me go to the old prison and film out
  71. 3:08there before they tore it down
  72. 3:11you know I've been doing this a long
  73. 3:14time and
  74. 3:15the reason why I ended to help end the
  75. 3:18death penalty in this day was because I
  76. 3:20look out over this audience and if it
  77. 3:22can happen to an honorably discharged
  78. 3:24marine it could happen to anybody here
  79. 3:26and whether you agree with the death
  80. 3:28penalty or not is immaterial to me I
  81. 3:30don't want you to have to go through
  82. 3:31what I did
  83. 3:33and guess what so you will never have to
  84. 3:35do that and because it's gone and I hope
  85. 3:39it stays gone forever now I'm asked to
  86. 3:43take some questions
  87. 3:45anybody's got any please
  88. 3:49let you want this
  89. 3:51you might need that
  90. 3:53but
  91. 3:55so ask away
  92. 3:59yes I got one right here at this lady
  93. 4:03had her hand up first year next sir this
  94. 4:06lady right here in the front room
  95. 4:08my pleasure my pleasure
  96. 4:20yeah here you go ahead
  97. 4:31[Music]
  98. 4:36well
  99. 4:38you know I was innocent I was innocent
  100. 4:40Manning by God's grace you know
  101. 4:43if you look at the Bible and
  102. 4:47Joseph that suffered through summer
  103. 4:50slings and arrows like that he wound up
  104. 4:52running Egypt at one point and so you
  105. 4:55know I I
  106. 4:57just kept my head up and you know my
  107. 5:00mother she would always tell me never to
  108. 5:02back off you know if you're innocent man
  109. 5:05you tell them what's up and and we lived
  110. 5:08at my dad said the same thing we you
  111. 5:10know you don't mess around with that
  112. 5:11stuff and
  113. 5:13by God's grace I stand here before you
  114. 5:17yes sir
  115. 5:19you got to hit a button on that I think
  116. 5:22you're giving this choice well what
  117. 5:24would you like to see done if there is
  118. 5:26one thing and the criminal justice to
  119. 5:28improve in criminal justice systems what
  120. 5:31would you
  121. 5:32I think that definitely should be a
  122. 5:35policy in the United States and
  123. 5:37in week that's a that's a long laundry
  124. 5:40list for me witness identification
  125. 5:44procedures that are far better than what
  126. 5:46we have to date you have double-blind
  127. 5:49sequential testing is it can be done now
  128. 5:51that's a lot better not to rely on a lot
  129. 5:53of this junk science that we knew I
  130. 5:56don't know if you've seen the credits
  131. 5:58but I dedicated some of it to Chris
  132. 6:00Conover was a man I was in prison with
  133. 6:02he did 19 years for hair comparison
  134. 6:05testing and they said both head hairs
  135. 6:08they found at the crime scene on a
  136. 6:09triple homicide were his and not only
  137. 6:13were they not his they were two
  138. 6:15different a tears
  139. 6:17hair comparison testing doesn't work
  140. 6:20same with ballistics a lot of different
  141. 6:23things we found we knew 20 30 40 years
  142. 6:26ago just don't work and we need to
  143. 6:29change some of that stuff but an
  144. 6:32accountability if a prosecutor
  145. 6:36war police officer knowingly with holds
  146. 6:39evidence or defense attorney for that
  147. 6:41other
  148. 6:42withholds evidence about another suspect
  149. 6:44there should be some punitive damages
  150. 6:46and pull his license or hers and not let
  151. 6:49them practice and I think that you know
  152. 6:53we have to be accountable we just can't
  153. 6:55our system of crim criminal justice is
  154. 6:59adversarial in nature it cannot be
  155. 7:01adversarial to the truth and so
  156. 7:08tell you truth has set you free is what
  157. 7:10he tell me yes or down here in front yep
  158. 7:20[Music]
  159. 7:58well we need to we need to decriminalize
  160. 8:00a lot of laws I think that's one of the
  161. 8:03first things our prisons are packed with
  162. 8:05people that have no business in there
  163. 8:07you know for smoking a little weed I
  164. 8:10mean but you know and I'm not condoning
  165. 8:13any of that yeah but what I'm saying is
  166. 8:17is that we need to get away from this
  167. 8:19pound of flesh thinking we do and start
  168. 8:21educating people in in the ways that the
  169. 8:25criminal justice system will work we've
  170. 8:27got 20 thousands of prisoners in the
  171. 8:29state of Maryland close to it and you
  172. 8:31know we got we building prisons left and
  173. 8:33right and persons are being built around
  174. 8:36for instance that we're built and we
  175. 8:38have to get away from that Miss mass
  176. 8:39incarceration has to stop we have to
  177. 8:42start doing some policy changes that's
  178. 8:45really going to work I think we could
  179. 8:47lighten the load its cost a lot of money
  180. 8:49and you know legalized marijuana and get
  181. 8:53away from all this crap that we're doing
  182. 8:55and and I'm not telling right you people
  183. 8:58you know you know just the ticket to do
  184. 9:02what they want but certainly you know
  185. 9:04like prohibition back in the day with
  186. 9:07alcohol we could get away from that it
  187. 9:09would cause a lot less problems and so
  188. 9:12I'm for decriminalization of a lot of
  189. 9:14things and
  190. 9:15the other thing is
  191. 9:18the state of Maryland spent six million
  192. 9:22dollars
  193. 9:23six million dollars in prosecuting me in
  194. 9:28which they didn't have to spend done if
  195. 9:31the hit went back and checked so
  196. 9:33thoroughness you know really paying
  197. 9:36attention what we're doing you know but
  198. 9:38I think for me that's it dis dis guy
  199. 9:41right there I see you I got you yet I
  200. 9:44was just curious after you were found
  201. 9:47innocent have you had any contact with
  202. 9:49Don's family or Thelma I have I have not
  203. 9:53I did when Tim and I were first doing
  204. 9:57the book years ago I was at Essex County
  205. 10:01Library one of the times didn't didn't
  206. 10:03show up but I was there and you know I
  207. 10:07met Eleanor helmick who was Dawn's aunt
  208. 10:10that was watching her that day it was a
  209. 10:13very emotional scene I never got to meet
  210. 10:14tom hamilton and or the kids
  211. 10:18you know i think this was one of those
  212. 10:20things that people get caught up in and
  213. 10:23the police were talking to two children
  214. 10:25the children make mistakes and you know
  215. 10:28it was
  216. 10:31Tom Hamilton said he was very sorry for
  217. 10:33what happened to me but it's through the
  218. 10:35media but I
  219. 10:36that was his only child and
  220. 10:40you know it was because of dawn I stand
  221. 10:43here I think in some way you know I work
  222. 10:46with murder victims families if you saw
  223. 10:48that last
  224. 10:49screenshot when I had my hands up when I
  225. 10:51was in the State House that lady that
  226. 10:52was sitting next to me is bonita spikes
  227. 10:55she's a murder victim's family member
  228. 10:57from New York who lost her husband to a
  229. 11:00robbery who was shot and killed who also
  230. 11:02opposed the death penalty as well so we
  231. 11:05have a lot of things going on up and so
  232. 11:08sorry for what happened to dawn but you
  233. 11:11know in her memory I try to make it
  234. 11:13better so everybody will never forget
  235. 11:16her as long as I'm standing
  236. 11:17[Applause]
  237. 11:23questions okay yeah first of all I want
  238. 11:26to say thank you for your service as a
  239. 11:28Marine you know fight newer item before
  240. 11:31you even before this house is marine to
  241. 11:33right there my dad was as well
  242. 11:35so thank you for that
  243. 11:38did you have any support in the prison
  244. 11:41any inmates or any any guards that you
  245. 11:44were able to confide in and and and you
  246. 11:47know have some support system within the
  247. 11:49prison well you know basically when you
  248. 11:51go to prison you don't really talk about
  249. 11:53your case
  250. 11:55that was made known to me from the very
  251. 11:58beginning but I did meet some people
  252. 12:00Chris was a very
  253. 12:03you know
  254. 12:05you know Chris was really cool and
  255. 12:09he had been there a long time he had
  256. 12:11been in out of prison all his life and
  257. 12:13he would even tell you if he was alive
  258. 12:14today the chris took his own life last
  259. 12:17year we had tried to work for a pardon
  260. 12:21for him and
  261. 12:22but him and I learned so many things
  262. 12:25blue he was in the credits as well he's
  263. 12:28another guy the blue is of Amanda talked
  264. 12:31me how to play chess and not in the
  265. 12:33conventional sense where we would play
  266. 12:35across from each other we had to play in
  267. 12:36the cell and then we call the pieces out
  268. 12:39we both had both sides of the board and
  269. 12:41we would set it up in like man pawn for
  270. 12:44and like that and yes how you play I
  271. 12:46don't know why he won all the time but
  272. 12:50anyway he he was you know he was an
  273. 12:54african-american man who was the one of
  274. 12:57the leaders from the nation Islam and he
  275. 12:59was see where he and I were tight you
  276. 13:01know for a while and he took two number
  277. 13:04two pencils and shoved them through his
  278. 13:06eyes
  279. 13:07to get a you know to die he wanted to
  280. 13:10die but it just he was doing life
  281. 13:14without parole in the dark
  282. 13:16but blue is in the custody of the
  283. 13:20the Maryland School of the blind now
  284. 13:23he's out all these blind he's learning
  285. 13:25place a city still beat me a chess I
  286. 13:27have no doubt
  287. 13:29but
  288. 13:31you know I was a lone wolf too I I
  289. 13:35traveled at yard by myself through two
  290. 13:38different riots you're also looking at a
  291. 13:39guy
  292. 13:40that step down the prison population on
  293. 13:43his own which was probably the craziest
  294. 13:45thing I ever did in my life um but I did
  295. 13:48and nothing nothing really happened I
  296. 13:50mean you know I got hit in the back of
  297. 13:52the head with a sock full of batteries I
  298. 13:54got stabbed in the CAF with a welding
  299. 13:56rod I got hit in the chest with a mass a
  300. 13:57lot well Jays hit me in the head with a
  301. 14:01dag on set it on shaft it was harder
  302. 14:03than that and
  303. 14:04but I I you know there's a lot of good
  304. 14:08men and women in these places that we
  305. 14:10seem to forget and that
  306. 14:12have changed their lives
  307. 14:15and you ever find out why the evidence
  308. 14:19was in the judges closet and a brown
  309. 14:21paper bag
  310. 14:23where argue that
  311. 14:25okay say that again
  312. 14:29did you ever find out what the evidence
  313. 14:32was in the judges closet and a brown
  314. 14:34paper bag sounds a little fishy to me
  315. 14:37Tim and I we talked about that when we
  316. 14:41were writing a book I you know what I
  317. 14:43nobody really knows I think the judge
  318. 14:46just forgot it and
  319. 14:51but I heard other people say that you
  320. 14:54know he might have kept it in here
  321. 14:55because technology might have wanted to
  322. 14:58catch up to it and like science and he
  323. 15:01didn't trust the state either and that
  324. 15:04was a good thing I thought and I was so
  325. 15:08paranoid at that point because of
  326. 15:10everything that went wrong and they were
  327. 15:12trying to win instead of trying to win
  328. 15:14the truth
  329. 15:15so i don't really can't tell you judge
  330. 15:18james t smith was the last judge i had
  331. 15:21and he was the county executive in
  332. 15:23baltimore um you know one of these days
  333. 15:26I'm gonna ask him
  334. 15:27if I ever see him again
  335. 15:30question I see something over there
  336. 15:32thank you hi thank you for taking my
  337. 15:34question
  338. 15:36for those of you that don't know there
  339. 15:38has been a case in talbot county and
  340. 15:40there was 1986 there was a horrific
  341. 15:42murder in
  342. 15:442000 which was 14 years later they
  343. 15:47arrested two men who
  344. 15:49have been in jail for 15 years and I'm
  345. 15:52very close with one of the families of
  346. 15:53one of these men
  347. 15:55appeals
  348. 15:57evidentiary hearings etc Innocence
  349. 16:00Project got involved in 2012 this past
  350. 16:03year they applied for a writ of
  351. 16:05innocence after begging for two years
  352. 16:08for evidence that was slow in coming
  353. 16:11there is no physical evidence whatsoever
  354. 16:13found at the scene DNA fingerprints palm
  355. 16:17prints were linked to other people one
  356. 16:19of whom is walking the street and these
  357. 16:22men are innocent and
  358. 16:23there was the rid of innocence and a
  359. 16:26request to retrial both were denied by
  360. 16:29the judge the one and only judge in
  361. 16:30Talbot County hope he's nobody here that
  362. 16:33knows him because I'll probably be in
  363. 16:34big trouble now we're waiting to hear
  364. 16:38because the judge decided he wants
  365. 16:39another review of the court transcript
  366. 16:42what can someone do as a regular person
  367. 16:47I was at every day of this hearing in
  368. 16:50April for two weeks the only way they
  369. 16:54convicted these men was on 15 years
  370. 16:57later a confidential criminal informant
  371. 17:00came forward with ulterior motives
  372. 17:02because the family had a reward out
  373. 17:06it's heartbreaking to see the family of
  374. 17:08the victim there 30 years later
  375. 17:11with all this being brought up it's
  376. 17:14heartbreaking for the family of these
  377. 17:16men who have been in jail
  378. 17:18what can a person do
  379. 17:20what can you know a society do a
  380. 17:23community do what can a person who just
  381. 17:25cares about a gross miss justice do and
  382. 17:29by the way Barry Scheck was in talbot
  383. 17:31county did anybody know that because it
  384. 17:33never hit the papers never hit the TV I
  385. 17:35met him and shook his hand along with
  386. 17:37the 14 other Innocence Project attorneys
  387. 17:40who were sitting in that courtroom
  388. 17:41shaking their heads gross miscarriage of
  389. 17:44justice
  390. 17:45what do you suggest well I i would still
  391. 17:49still remain vigilant about it obviously
  392. 17:52I think
  393. 17:53whoever these men are have great
  394. 17:56advocate in you I can just see listening
  395. 17:59to you talk about this and and maybe
  396. 18:02before this is all over we can exchange
  397. 18:05emails and I'll try to look into this
  398. 18:07but I know Sean Ambrose who runs the
  399. 18:11mid-atlantic Innocence Project and you
  400. 18:15know she there if they're in their hands
  401. 18:18that's the best people on the planet for
  402. 18:21them if there's a way that will find it
  403. 18:23and I'm almost certain of it and
  404. 18:26you know so
  405. 18:28just keep on plugging away I mean you
  406. 18:31know never
  407. 18:33leave them stay and tell them the same
  408. 18:36thing
  409. 18:37thank you questions
  410. 18:40anybody else yes right here yep I gotcha
  411. 18:57well just the day-to-day things you know
  412. 19:01it was like
  413. 19:04getting a job you know I've always been
  414. 19:06self-employed
  415. 19:08pretty much i worked at different places
  416. 19:11i had a lot of problems i remember i
  417. 19:14worked at a tool company in easton for a
  418. 19:18brief period of time i'm not going to
  419. 19:19mention her name's black and decker and
  420. 19:23they you know wanted me to to you know
  421. 19:27they wanted me to show my pardon they
  422. 19:29wanted my
  423. 19:30everything in a pint of blood almost it
  424. 19:33seemed like
  425. 19:34so how do i sign
  426. 19:38unemployment form that said have you
  427. 19:40ever been arrested for a crime before
  428. 19:43yes I didn't do it but you know and I'm
  429. 19:47being flipped but that's exactly what
  430. 19:50you have to do we all these exonerees
  431. 19:52there is no
  432. 19:54do you know there's no constitutional
  433. 19:57right after you've been convicted of a
  434. 20:00crime of innocence did you all know that
  435. 20:03you do not have any more after that
  436. 20:06first initial 30 to 90 days is over with
  437. 20:09there is you cannot argue in a court of
  438. 20:12law on your innocence in appellate court
  439. 20:15ever and if Tim was here I have they but
  440. 20:18it's you can't do it and you cannot
  441. 20:22argue innocence that's it it's only
  442. 20:24technical merit alone to get you going
  443. 20:27so it was really tough at you know
  444. 20:32dating
  445. 20:33just getting a date you know blimp let
  446. 20:36me tell you people had very didn't talk
  447. 20:39about me in the fondness of stairs
  448. 20:41things before I left and so I get out
  449. 20:44and I go out on a date and I have a date
  450. 20:45and
  451. 20:47my you're a nice guy where have you been
  452. 20:50for the last nine years
  453. 20:52well I was accused of a brutal murder
  454. 20:54and I didn't do it I'm the first DNA guy
  455. 20:56in the United States to be freed by it
  456. 20:59Pass me the salt
  457. 21:02she actually got up and walked out
  458. 21:05but her loss I'm just saying it's very
  459. 21:09very hard and there's no resources for
  460. 21:13us do you know they have resources it's
  461. 21:15called a second chance act for criminals
  462. 21:18people who commit crimes yet services
  463. 21:21they get pregnant innocent people
  464. 21:23exonerated people nothing
  465. 21:26but they're getting ready we're getting
  466. 21:29ready to sail upon them and I I'm just
  467. 21:33tired of seeing it these some of these
  468. 21:35guys got a lot of problems and I'm not
  469. 21:36just talking about throwing a million
  470. 21:37tiles at somebody it would be great but
  471. 21:42how to go to school get a college degree
  472. 21:45how to learn a trade get a boat bye-bye
  473. 21:49things you want to do go to to true or
  474. 21:51trade school you know what did I have to
  475. 21:54do I had to had to borrow and get
  476. 21:56everything I ever gotten I didn't have
  477. 21:58any chance to get anything and so we
  478. 22:02need to change those laws
  479. 22:05questions anybody else
  480. 22:08and we could figure
  481. 22:13ruffner
  482. 22:20you know we we talked to everybody I
  483. 22:24mean basically he was in the yard he
  484. 22:26lifted weights but you know he hung
  485. 22:28around with other people with those
  486. 22:31charges and he was what we call a rape
  487. 22:34artist so that's what he he did you know
  488. 22:38and he was always hung up with those
  489. 22:40kind of guys and they travel to grant I
  490. 22:42never liked those guys and
  491. 22:45we all but we all had to lift in the
  492. 22:47same darts you would tolerate people you
  493. 22:49know just saying like you don't have
  494. 22:51friends you have acquaintances well
  495. 22:53thats he was an acquaintance and
  496. 22:55prisons not that you don't have no
  497. 22:57friends in prison to most part and
  498. 23:01you know I never liked to do
  499. 23:03but you know i'm looking for a
  500. 23:05six-foot-five guy you know he was a
  501. 23:09little thing you know he's a little guy
  502. 23:11we look like Mutt and Jeff standing next
  503. 23:12to each other so I
  504. 23:18wouldn't I wouldn't have a whole lot of
  505. 23:20good things to say to him at this point
  506. 23:22I don't think you know he's got his life
  507. 23:26sentence will not start until his 75
  508. 23:30years 45 years is up for what he did and
  509. 23:35you know had they went back a check we
  510. 23:39wouldn't be talking right now probably
  511. 23:40you know and he would have arrested him
  512. 23:43and this would all been brushed away
  513. 23:45like it was supposed to be and he would
  514. 23:48have been convicted and I wouldn't be
  515. 23:49here but I
  516. 23:52look back in hindsight I didn't see
  517. 23:54anything
  518. 23:58he told me but when I day I left prison
  519. 24:01and so did everybody else I heard him
  520. 24:03holler through the bars you know good
  521. 24:05luck
  522. 24:06and he was just key to a lot of things I
  523. 24:14might take a being a closet with him for
  524. 24:17about five minutes I don't know we got
  525. 24:20to do any good questions down here
  526. 24:28he says he didn't but you know he
  527. 24:31remembers what he drugs he took the day
  528. 24:35of the murder he remembered the murder
  529. 24:37he remembered taking a vacation the next
  530. 24:39day and
  531. 24:41you know I
  532. 24:44think if you can kill a nine year old
  533. 24:46little girl lines not much of a problem
  534. 24:48you know so I you know I don't believe a
  535. 24:52word he said
  536. 24:56questions right here it is it fell
  537. 25:07right
  538. 25:09[Music]
  539. 25:19no I don't actually
  540. 25:23[Music]
  541. 25:29right but I also could have died in
  542. 25:32prison from a stabbing or I could have
  543. 25:35did anything could have happened it's
  544. 25:37you know I got rid of the death penalty
  545. 25:40because
  546. 25:41we shouldn't walk over the innocent to
  547. 25:44get to the guilty and that was the
  548. 25:47reason for that that is a total new
  549. 25:48number one issue for me there was a man
  550. 25:52that I know he's a exonerees in Florida
  551. 25:54his name is Freddy pits and on the back
  552. 25:58of those blue shirts that said witnessed
  553. 26:00innocence that's a group that I belong
  554. 26:01to were all death row survivors and on
  555. 26:05the back of the shirt it says you can
  556. 26:07free a man from jail but you can't free
  557. 26:11him from the grave and it is a tragic
  558. 26:14thing that they would have to stay in
  559. 26:16there for life like this lady was
  560. 26:18talking over here about these men who
  561. 26:20spent 15 years in but I can't free them
  562. 26:23if they're dead and
  563. 26:25may God's freed them from that but you
  564. 26:29know that's the that's the quandary we
  565. 26:31are at I think life without parole is
  566. 26:34the best option do we have now honestly
  567. 26:37yes I do believe there's some people
  568. 26:39that should never see the light of day
  569. 26:41ruffner being one of them
  570. 26:44but I don't want him execute
  571. 26:48accountability we all have to live with
  572. 26:51what people have done in our lives and
  573. 26:53in our communities and so should they
  574. 26:56they shouldn't be taken away and not
  575. 27:00held accountable by by being alive every
  576. 27:02day in that place I think you know it's
  577. 27:05a better thing that we do if we give
  578. 27:08them life without parole
  579. 27:10questions I seen somebody Jay I think on
  580. 27:14the last one I think it's super saver
  581. 27:16more I just want to say I'm cooked
  582. 27:19leather snuff you and want to say hi to
  583. 27:21tim a long while since we've seen each
  584. 27:24other the u.s. chicago with the king but
  585. 27:27i want to leave reiterate on something
  586. 27:29that the lady asked you when you got out
  587. 27:32how did you cope and
  588. 27:33with everything he worked with me after
  589. 27:37he got out for a couple years or few
  590. 27:39years and married into our family
  591. 27:42if you could imagine like a dog being
  592. 27:45pinned up and a little box that was way
  593. 27:48too small for the dog and one day you
  594. 27:51open the damn door and you tell take off
  595. 27:54running and he takes two or three steps
  596. 27:56and goods
  597. 27:58what's going on
  598. 28:00that's the way he was for a couple years
  599. 28:02ago Jim you just imagine being penned up
  600. 28:05in something like that and and say
  601. 28:07here's the door open the door go then
  602. 28:09for yourself make eleven put food on the
  603. 28:12table
  604. 28:13it will turn up what time we were
  605. 28:15working together we worked on the order
  606. 28:17for a while he was working with me and I
  607. 28:19seen this seen it what he's done and
  608. 28:22what he become now me no biggies that
  609. 28:26would be out there tolling in him
  610. 28:28makeshift for an hour so you wouldn't
  611. 28:31get anything done these thoughts will
  612. 28:32get to his head with what had been on
  613. 28:34and the phone would be ringing and it
  614. 28:36would be either Tim calling and that's
  615. 28:39when they were started working on the
  616. 28:40book
  617. 28:40that's how long ago thats groaning
  618. 28:43and to see him
  619. 28:46I'm not saying mature because he was
  620. 28:49maturing but mature were because he'd
  621. 28:51been stopped up for what he's become
  622. 28:53then to what he's done now when he
  623. 28:57couldn't walk on his own two feet after
  624. 28:59being stopped up for almost nine years
  625. 29:01to see what he's done now and accomplish
  626. 29:04the things that he's done nationwide and
  627. 29:06especially here in the state of Maryland
  628. 29:07and people that his help I think that's
  629. 29:10one hell of a run after you get out of
  630. 29:12the cage what do you think
  631. 29:14[Music]
  632. 29:15[Applause]
  633. 29:16that's what boy crochet
  634. 29:19well those i was thinking about
  635. 29:23his kids and I used to be able to put
  636. 29:26him on my hand like this I can't carry
  637. 29:28you like that anymore Justin but it back
  638. 29:31in the day we had so much fun and and it
  639. 29:34gave me a place but I remember Tim you
  640. 29:37remember this in so Tim was in he was on
  641. 29:40vacation and in somewhere and I've shot
  642. 29:44of getting so I talked to his wife I
  643. 29:45said you're not gonna believe what's
  644. 29:47going on I said Tim said he wanted to
  645. 29:49have an ending for the book and I said I
  646. 29:52think I got it and they just caught the
  647. 29:54real killer and that's how we ended a
  648. 29:57book in that's when I was with Jay when
  649. 30:00the phone call came across and and
  650. 30:04Ambrose wouldn't see me and it was
  651. 30:06finally it was a vindication man it was
  652. 30:10almost like some magical moment in our
  653. 30:12lives back then and it seems so long ago
  654. 30:15but and it was it was like 12 years ago
  655. 30:18it's and in that Tim wants to speak
  656. 30:24but about it this is tim John a long
  657. 30:27time bloody oh good see
  658. 30:32[Music]
  659. 30:34I just have a couple quick anecdote so
  660. 30:37I'll add to this lovely night it's great
  661. 30:39to see so many people coming out to see
  662. 30:41you Kirk and how great you're doing so
  663. 30:43Kirk and I well well I'm writing the
  664. 30:46book the the Baltimore prosecutors are
  665. 30:49still acting like Kirk is guilty and I'm
  666. 30:51like two-thirds the way through this
  667. 30:52book and I'm not quite sure how I'm
  668. 30:54going to end the thing and that's when
  669. 30:55Kirk calls be on the phone I mean he's
  670. 30:57crying he's crying you tune they got the
  671. 31:01guy we actually got that is the same in
  672. 31:03the same prison tier I mean that was and
  673. 31:05there's so many miracles in this book so
  674. 31:08the second judge in Kirk's Kirk series
  675. 31:12of trials was so concerned he was he had
  676. 31:15misgivings about the verdict and the
  677. 31:19protocol in Baltimore County at that
  678. 31:21time was after five years they destroy
  679. 31:23the evidence and the judge said you know
  680. 31:24what
  681. 31:25bring that evidence to my chambers I'm
  682. 31:27going to put it in my closet
  683. 31:29because I just have a feeling about this
  684. 31:32and so it was eight years later that Bob
  685. 31:36Moore and was able to find you forgot
  686. 31:38about it and so and so some clerk said
  687. 31:40something to Bob and he finds the
  688. 31:42evidence I mean that was one more little
  689. 31:43miracle they were there were a series of
  690. 31:45miracles but I just want to say Kirk and
  691. 31:47I after the book was written we did like
  692. 31:49a six or seven week tour around the
  693. 31:50country please
  694. 31:52we had three thousand people in st. Paul
  695. 31:55to came to see you and
  696. 31:57the lines I would you know I was the
  697. 32:00author you know signed the book and I
  698. 32:02couldn't figure out why we had these
  699. 32:04lines I mean would it be like people
  700. 32:06would be way in line for like 45 minutes
  701. 32:07and they come up and they start crying
  702. 32:10and hugging Kirk and it was like they
  703. 32:12had a cousin or a nephew or a brother or
  704. 32:14a friend or somebody who'd been
  705. 32:16exonerated and it was like I mean you
  706. 32:20remember that it was unbelievable
  707. 32:21everywhere we went yeah and then we did
  708. 32:23this one thing Kirk and I where we got
  709. 32:25invited to a Maryland state judges
  710. 32:27conference oh yeah we went out to
  711. 32:29cumberland and like 150 circuit court
  712. 32:33judges from the state of Maryland this
  713. 32:34was before the death penalty was
  714. 32:35outlawed in Maryland they give Kirk a
  715. 32:38standing ovation yeah and I was like I
  716. 32:42couldn't believe it I didn't know
  717. 32:43whether they're going to boo us off the
  718. 32:44stage what they're going to do and I
  719. 32:46mean they were all moved even the US
  720. 32:48Marshals shook her hand he they said I
  721. 32:50know who you are and then there's a the
  722. 32:53last Lou anecdote is kirkus is lobbying
  723. 32:56for this bill and in the sittin in
  724. 32:59Congress to get money for people around
  725. 33:04the country who meet certain criteria
  726. 33:06and you know could possibly be at the
  727. 33:09innocent to get money so that
  728. 33:11those those states could have the money
  729. 33:14to test the DNA for these for these
  730. 33:17certain you know potentially innocent
  731. 33:20people and it's it's held up in the
  732. 33:22Senate the house passed it the Senate
  733. 33:26has its it's mired in the Senate and
  734. 33:28Kirk goes around and gives a copy of the
  735. 33:31book it's right to 100 US senators and
  736. 33:35three weeks later passes the Senate and
  737. 33:37it was yeah
  738. 33:40it's called the Kirk Bloodsworth hlub
  739. 33:43they what's the name of the program it
  740. 33:45was like the Kirk Bloodsworth innocent
  741. 33:47protection of church was worth
  742. 33:48post-conviction DNA testing program and
  743. 33:51I meant to twenty men did it have gotten
  744. 33:54out from that program one in Tennessee
  745. 33:56yeah yeah
  746. 33:58[Applause]
  747. 34:00yeahs your story man there's a great
  748. 34:03movie Kirk thanks thanks thanks a lot
  749. 34:05way to be a part of tonight's
  750. 34:07festivities no I'm done he just took the
  751. 34:11show I will turn this over to whoever's
  752. 34:14in charge
  753. 34:16but even with him what the hell was
  754. 34:18doing right I
  755. 34:21guess
  756. 34:24I'm gonna invite him to go is that book
  757. 34:27yeah yeah is that let taminar Tim you're
  758. 34:30going to join me out here selling sign
  759. 34:32some books and
  760. 34:33you know look I want to thank the
  761. 34:35Eastern Shore
  762. 34:37and you know you guys are great they
  763. 34:40always say a Prophet's never accepted in
  764. 34:42his hometown but I'll be damned we you
  765. 34:46know we I loved I loved the Eastern
  766. 34:49Shore in Dorchester County in this part
  767. 34:51of the world you guys are awesome thank
  768. 34:53you so much thank you
  769. 34:55[Music]
  770. 34:59all right so just a second before you
  771. 35:02leave the books are out outside so you
  772. 35:05can purchase some Kirk going to be here
  773. 35:07signing them and Tim as well thank you
  774. 35:09so much for coming have a great night
  775. 35:11[Music]

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