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0:00yep
0:02denied
0:03every time
0:04raise your right hand to be sworn in
0:05please do you solemnly swear or affirm
0:07under penalty of perjury but the
0:09testimony you are about to give shall be
0:10the truth the whole truth and nothing
0:13but the truth yes thank you come have a
0:15seat here mr troyer
0:19once you do you'll see there's glass
0:22cups they're not glasses and water
0:25scarcity there are microphones if you
0:27have a pretty good projection you
0:29shouldn't need to lean in too much i'll
0:31let you know if you do a couple of more
0:33instructions in case you haven't
0:34said before it's not a conversation it's
0:37a question and answer so you have to
0:40listen to the question and answer the
0:42question that you're asking do you
0:43understand that yeah you also have to
0:45let the question be completed before you
0:47begin your answer even if you think you
0:49know what you're being asked
0:51let them completely finish asking
0:54take a beat and then answer do you
0:55understand
0:57i also need you to answer out loud in
0:59words so head shakes and ahams make for
1:01a poor record do you understand that
1:04thank you so much uh oh okay thank you
1:06go ahead mr ball
1:09i'm
1:11okay there's so many people i'm so i
1:14knew that i knew that and i just
1:17i just want i didn't want to check my
1:18nose because i showed you her face i'm
1:20so sorry my apologies mr parrot mr
1:26name is owen troyer
1:28i work
1:30for info wars i'm 33 years old
1:35when you say you work for infowars your
1:37actual employer is free speech systems
1:39llc correct correct so we're going to
1:42kind of use infloors and slang because
1:44it's infowars.com and that's sort of the
1:46name out in the community but just to be
1:48clear
1:49with broadcasts that go up the one that
1:51you did today or yesterday those are
1:53free speech system llc's broadcast
1:56correct yes you've worked for infor's or
1:58free speech systems i'm just going to
2:00call it information we make that
2:01agreement yes and know that we really
2:03need free speech okay yes you've worked
2:05with them since 2016 correct correct
2:07what is your current title
2:09show host
2:10and reporter okay
2:12show host means you're on the air right
2:14correct all right we're going to get to
2:16that in a minute um i hate to ask you
2:18this in a public forum but i need to can
2:20you tell us what your salary is
2:22um i don't know the exact number but i
2:25believe it's about 120 000 a year before
2:27taxes uh miss carpova just testified
2:30there's around 50 to 80 employees at uh
2:32free speech systems are informed correct
2:35i don't know the exact number but i
2:36would say at least 50 yes okay that's
2:38been the same since you've been there
2:39since 2016 roughly yes all right uh alex
2:42jones is the sole owner of free sleep
2:45systems llc correct
2:47yes i believe so yes
2:49infowars.com is obviously on the
2:52internet right correct if somebody said
2:55that infowars lost all access to the
2:58internet
2:59that would be an incorrect statement
3:01fair yes
3:03have you ever heard the saying lawyers
3:05that lie should lose
3:07i don't believe i've heard that all
3:09right neither until tuesday i thought it
3:10was interesting though
3:13um infowars is on on right now right and
3:15we can pull it up and there's a video
3:17somebody's probably on live right now
3:18right
3:20yes
3:21you're gonna like falling forward
3:23um
3:25okay
3:28he wants to show infowars
3:31and you're this is a direct connection
3:32to the internet i take it it is
3:41so this is i'm going to walk over this
3:43is infowars.com the home page it's
3:46active it's up it's live it has been
3:47since
3:49as far as you've worked long as you've
3:50worked with company right
3:53i'm sorry i was distracted looking at
3:54the screen can you repeat that yeah my
3:56fault
3:57it has been active and live for as long
3:59as you've been working for the company
4:00right infowars.com yes okay
4:02and you create content if you click on
4:05banned
4:06bandwidth
4:07[Music]
4:09this is the content that's created and
4:11uploaded to band.com
4:17it's hard to see but if released will
4:19scroll down just a little bit
4:23you can see how long obviously the names
4:25how long they are and when they're
4:27uploaded that's good so i know the jury
4:29can't see this i'm just going to say it
4:30out loud up here 17 minutes and change
4:33uploaded an hour ago
4:3513 minutes and some change uploaded two
4:37hours ago
4:38eight minutes of change uploaded an hour
4:40ago two hours ago hour ago
4:43so forth showing you guys make a lot of
4:45content every single day right
4:47yes half since you've been there right
4:49yes there's not been any
4:54limitation to your ability to make
4:56videos and put them on infowars.com
4:58correct
5:01um
5:02the videos go to banned dot video
5:05sometimes we'll write articles that
5:07embed the video to infowars.com
5:11okay um
5:12bandvideo.com is owned by free speeches
5:15also correct uh banned video i believe
5:18is owned by free speech systems but i i
5:20don't know that okay what the point is
5:23that there's no sort of drop in ability
5:26to make content and put it on your
5:28website for your viewers to watch has it
5:30been since 2015 since you started
5:32correct or 16
5:33for us to upload content demand that
5:35video yes sir
5:37no other than
5:38tech issues on our end and then one of
5:40the things that really the only real
5:42source of revenue or info wars or free
5:45speech is can you go back lisa
5:50is your store info wars store correct
5:55yes will you click on that
5:58oh we gotta prove we're not a robot
6:10robots deciding whether we're robots or
6:12not mr perry you talk pretty fast if
6:14you'll just try to be careful please
6:30so we see
6:32we have a diet wheel how do you
6:34pronounce this middle one
6:35bodies bodies um
6:38some toothpaste is this the toothpaste
6:40that you guys claim cured coated
6:43is that a different one no
6:45there's a different one
6:47i'm not familiar with that claim you're
6:49not familiar with the fda and state
6:50attorney general saying stop making that
6:52claim
6:53could i see that claim presented in
6:55front of me
6:56that's not important
6:58if you go up to the top a little bit
7:00melisa
7:02there's different things there's
7:03preparedness media specials gear
7:08just different items that infowars sells
7:11and that is really their source of
7:13revenue right yes okay
7:21during the broadcast
7:23sometimes there will be breaks to
7:25promote different items right different
7:27things that you sell in your store
7:28correct
7:29yeah we have breaks where we run
7:30commercials that feature our products
7:33sometimes it's just live kind of as
7:35you're going uh mr jones will just say
7:38also buy this
7:39pill or supplement or whatever it may be
7:41right sure that's referred to as a live
7:43read okay
7:46i've heard it said that about a third of
7:48the content the third of the show
7:50is some form of advertisement for
7:53supplements or whatever it is you got to
7:54sell does that seem about right to you
7:56no you think it's less yeah 25
7:59probably less okay i'm in the ballpark
8:02i i really i mean that's you're getting
8:05into math but if i was
8:07i'd say it's probably maybe 10-15
8:16um how long have you been hosting shows
8:18live on airport
8:20the show that i host is called the war
8:22room that launched in september of 2017
8:26i
8:28would fill in as a guest host
8:32on other infowars live shows previously
8:34to that but that was not a regular thing
8:37you co-host with mr jones often correct
8:40i've been a guest on alex's show yes
8:44you call it a guest whenever let's take
8:46for example
8:48tuesday afternoon while we were here in
8:50court you and mr jones were live for
8:52three hours right um i i don't remember
8:54the exact amount of time
8:57aren't your segments three hours
8:59no the segments are up ten minutes
9:01okay you were live for three hours and
9:03that's uploaded to bandvideo.com right
9:06which day are we speaking
9:14we're talking about tuesday which was
9:16the 26th
9:18i took a screenshot of you and alex on
9:20it
9:25if this is playing this exhibit 124 it's
9:27not on the exhibit
9:29obviously this happened tuesday right
9:31um
9:33thank
9:34you what
9:38124 yes sir i was trying to do the next
9:40one that's fine
9:43does this look like a screenshot of you
9:45and alex or mr jones
9:48from tuesday yes
9:50and uh we're gonna move to uh
9:52px124
9:54any injection
10:00plaintiffs 124 is admitted
10:06do you remember the show yes okay so for
10:08three hours you're on for three hours is
10:10that
10:11right i don't want to miss her
10:14i think tuesday i was on for seven hours
10:17sure this this show was three hours and
10:19then you did another 30 minute special
10:20with just you and mr jones really about
10:22this trial right
10:24i don't recall the exact content
10:27of the discussion
10:29you remember
10:30yesterday having my website up and
10:32talking bad about me and my partners
10:34yesterday the day before i guess it was
10:36uh again i don't recall like i said i
10:38was on there for seven hours so there
10:40was a lot of discussion okay
10:42so this is the studio with the tv's ms
10:45carbova talked about and the fancy
10:47graphics right yes because you guys are
10:49a media company you can do
10:51fancy graphics right yes
10:55oh and then there's links
10:58to things you sell
11:00insta-hard that's the pill you got to
11:02sell
11:06i'm not too familiar with the product
11:08it's a new one but i guess it's a pill
11:10okay oh well i'm sorry
11:12it is a product though that we said yes
11:14fair enough uh diet force something you
11:17sell yes
11:19do you have any idea where that stuff
11:21sourced from
11:25infowars life the pills
11:28you mean
11:30inside your ingredients yeah you know
11:34do you know if any of the stuff is
11:35proven by the fda questions
11:39i don't you know if any of it's been
11:40tested to see if it's effective or any
11:42good at all
11:44well
11:45we test the product for ourselves you
11:47mean you take it yes and you're still
11:49here so it must be okay yeah it works
11:51for me
12:09pretty much every day
12:11well since this trial started on tuesday
12:14wednesday
12:15and even this morning alex jones has
12:16been
12:18on live broadcast right
12:20i'm not sure
12:21which day are you not sure
12:22about um
12:24yesterday
12:28let me show you what i marched on today
12:30let me show you mark's minus 126.
12:43thank you
12:45this is a screenshot from a show that mr
12:47jones was on yesterday correct you can
12:49see the date 727 yes we'll move 126
12:53any objection
12:57yes you're on the relevance and also
12:59when this show was taken
13:02when this show is taped is not an
13:04objection
13:06so relevance foundation
13:09overruled
13:11and
13:12126 is admitted
13:14you put 26
13:19just up it up to point out that mr jones
13:22was on the show yesterday uh when he
13:24went in court
13:25did you know when he stormed out of
13:26court today he went and was on the show
13:28again today
13:30no i was not watching okay we could
13:32probably pull it up on the band video
13:33and see but we can take my word for it
13:35that he was live today
13:36sure in fact he was with mr barnes right
13:39i think i saw
13:40in the courtroom
13:42yeah mr barnes back there that is his
13:44former attorney
13:46right
13:47i can't see mr barnes uh maybe he's
13:50right behind the camera
13:53i'll have to take your word for it she's
13:55a perfect blockade yeah he's right there
13:57or he's sorry excuse me
14:00did you know that one of the first
14:01things this jury was told was mr jones
14:03won't be at this trial very much because
14:05of a medical condition i'm not aware
14:07the truth is he's not at the trial much
14:09because he's on air selling pills
14:11right
14:12i'm not i'm not sure that's where he is
14:15when he's not here
14:16we just established that right
14:19today
14:21well i know you don't know he's here
14:22today let's talk about tuesday and
14:23wednesday okay okay when he wasn't
14:25entitled he was on air
14:28saying whatever he's saying and trying
14:30to sell pills or supplements or whatever
14:32products you guys have correct
14:35i'm trying to recall correctly i believe
14:37monday
14:39i don't know if he was on air monday and
14:41i think tuesday he may have had
14:43pre-recorded segments that we aired
14:47um
14:48that's my best recollection of monday
14:50and tuesday
14:51if the show on tuesday
14:53happened in court on tuesday it wasn't
14:55pre-recorded
14:57okay yes okay
14:59you you hosted with them is can you put
15:02up 124
15:05i mean mr shorter you lived this right
15:07that's you sitting right next door to
15:09124 right yes you know when you did it
15:12did you do it tuesday
15:14um i guess that was tuesday yeah i'm
15:16sorry it's all been a blur when i'm on
15:18seven hours a day and then i'm sitting
15:19in the courthouse for seven hours eight
15:21hours i'm sorry it's just kind of blurry
15:23i understand i know you've been here for
15:24a couple days and i'll apologize for
15:25making your way because i know you have
15:26to stay outside
15:28how much content does info awards make a
15:31day
15:32we have 10 hours of live transmissions
15:36every day
15:37and then there might be some other
15:39reports as well
15:44do you consider yourself a journalist
15:46sometimes
15:49that's an interesting answer can you
15:50give me a little bit of an explanation
15:53sure when i go to cover a live event at
15:57the scene
15:58i've covered sporting events i've
16:00covered weather events political events
16:02i would consider that journalism when
16:04i'm live on the scene doing something
16:06but when i'm hosting a talk show not
16:09necessarily a journalist okay
16:13looks like saying whenever i go home and
16:15go to bed i'm not a lawyer i'm still a
16:17lawyer right but you consider yourself a
16:19journalist by trade
16:27would you agree with me that it is not
16:29right for a journalist to edit video
16:32clips to fit an agenda
16:36yeah that would be bad
16:38it is not good practice for a journalist
16:40to take an edited video clip not ask any
16:43questions about it
16:44not do any fact checking and hear it
16:47with that
16:49yes because when you do that mistakes
16:51are made right
16:53yes and when mistakes are made people
16:54get hurt right
16:56sometimes sometimes right
16:59that damage can be serious right
17:01sometimes life-changing
17:05right
17:05sometimes devastating
17:08right
17:09sometimes
17:10right
17:14you don't consider yourself a conspiracy
17:15theorist okay
17:31the front of it is your under tab one is
17:33your deposition that you gave in this
17:34case
17:35you recall to give it a position yes
17:38i'm just going to show you because
17:38sometimes people know exactly how these
17:40pages work
17:42if you look
17:43these page numbers it's
17:49orient you to a couple pages and lines
17:51okay sure
17:55right now if you go to page 151
18:06did you say line or page i'm sorry it's
18:08the wrong page anyway oh yeah page 131
18:11line 14.
18:14and i or you were asked this is december
18:162nd 2021 you were asked
18:19do you think you're a conspiracy
18:20theorist your answer
18:23no
18:24that's what you said underwrote
18:26december of last year right yes are you
18:28changing that have you become a
18:29conspiracy theorist in that last seven
18:31years
18:34no
18:36you're gonna stick with now
18:38yes
18:39that's a little bit difficult
18:46everyone please remember put every
18:48device off or on silent before you walk
18:50in the courtroom
18:52i'm going to ask the question again or
18:53leave it somewhere else that's what i do
18:56i'll ask the question again from the
18:58start do you consider yourself a
18:59conspiracy theorist no okay
19:02you do however consider cnn a conspiracy
19:04theorist right
19:07sometimes
19:10you go to page 164.
19:17i'm not going to read the question
19:18because as long as you can see the
19:19answer on 2425. if you say well i would
19:22say cnn is a conspiracy theorist how
19:24about that that's what you said right
19:26yep still agree with that yes
19:37you did a show on june 25th 2017
19:40where you were the sole host you
19:42remember that
19:43yes okay
19:44um that was a sunday correct yes which
19:48is why you were doing at the time right
19:50i'm sorry what is that that's why you
19:52were hosting because it was a sunday
19:54um no
19:55the sunday alex jones show has been on
19:58air for a long time i was filling in
19:59that night okay it airs from four to six
20:03central time yes
20:06this is the one where you challenge
20:09whether or not neil heslin ever held his
20:11son yes
20:13right
20:14no i challenge that the videos presented
20:18didn't add up and that megyn kelly had
20:22done harm
20:23to
20:24the story being
20:27removed from the public consciousness it
20:29just caused it to be brought up again
20:31i'm not going to quibble about you
20:32because we're going to watch it it is
20:34the show
20:35about
20:37neil hesslin and whether or not he held
20:38jesse his arms right that's what the
20:40show's about what that segment's about
20:43um not that just the last four minutes
20:47i yeah so yes
20:49of the four to six
20:50yes okay
20:52that show was on infors correct yes so
20:55free speech systems is the one that's
20:56publishing that correct yes
21:00before you did that show you had no idea
21:03when the old hazard was right correct
21:08you were
21:09i mean
21:10you didn't care
21:14no
21:16yes what i just said is correct you
21:18didn't care what you're talking about
21:19can you refresh the question or repeat
21:20it did you care who you were talking
21:22about
21:24yes
21:25did you care that you're talking about
21:26neil heslin
21:31yes once you go to page 110 in your
21:33deposition
21:36you know you're under oath here right
21:38yeah
21:38you know you were under oath when you
21:40gave this position right yeah
21:47line three through six i'll read the
21:49question
21:51okay so you didn't care who you were
21:53talking about what was your answer
21:56i was
21:57just covering a story that was given to
21:59me you didn't care you're talking it
22:01didn't matter right
22:03no i didn't say that okay
22:05you were handed the story while you were
22:06on air live
22:08you ran with it right yes
22:12you did
22:13zero
22:14to determine if it was accurate right
22:17correct you did no betting of the story
22:19at all correct correct you did nothing
22:22to determine if it was a joke or a
22:23parody
22:25right
22:26there are video clips in it
22:28you didn't watch them right
22:30before you played them correct how many
22:32people do you think were watching that
22:33day millions tens of millions
22:36how many people do you think were
22:38watching that
22:44you know the reach
22:45you're gonna sit there under oath and
22:46say a couple hundred thousand
22:48well i'm wondering to tell the truth and
22:51the truth is i don't know okay
22:53you don't know you know it's over a
22:54million you know it's closer to 10
22:56million right no i don't know that okay
23:00you didn't check the source right
23:03you referring to zero hedge right
23:08didn't check the source did you check
23:10the author
23:11well i mean i i saw it said zero hedge
23:13on it okay that's the website right yeah
23:15that's not where it originated from
23:17though right
23:18um well to me it was
23:23wasn't the question it's not where it
23:24originated from right
23:28well it was published on zero hedge
23:29that's where i saw it but obviously
23:33i understand the author
23:34was i believe something called zero
23:36point now right
23:38do you think it's a real name
23:40i doubt it right
23:42so somebody called zero point now
23:45writes something on a website called
23:48i bank coin
23:50which is then picked up by zero hedge
23:53you do absolutely nothing to determine
23:56if any words in this have any actually
23:58at all and you play it on air and make
24:01comments about it right yes
24:08let's play 23
24:11pbx 23
24:1210.
24:27so folks now here's another story
24:30you know i don't even know if alex knows
24:32about this to be honest with you
24:35alex if you're listening and you want to
24:37uh
24:37or if you just want to know what's going
24:39on
24:40zerohedge has just published a story
24:44megan kelly fails to fact check sandy
24:46hook's sandy hook father's contradictory
24:48claim in alex jones hit piece
24:52now again this this broke
24:55i think it broke today i don't know what
24:57time
24:59but featured in
25:01megyn kelly's expose neil heslin a
25:05father of one of the victims during the
25:07interview described what happened the
25:09day of the shooting
25:11and
25:14basically what he said the statement he
25:16made
25:17fact checkers on this have said
25:19cannot be accurate
25:22he's claiming that he held his son
25:25and saw the bullet hole in his head that
25:27is his claim
25:29now according to a timeline of events
25:32and a coroner's testimony
25:34that is not possible
25:37and so one must
25:39look at megyn kelly and say megan i
25:42think it's time for you to explain this
25:44contradiction in the narrative
25:48because this is only going to fuel the
25:50conspiracy theory that you're trying to
25:53put out
25:54in fact so and here's the thing too
26:00you would remember let me see how long
26:02these clips are
26:04you would remember if you held your dead
26:06kid in your hands with a bullet pull
26:08that's not something that you would just
26:09misspeak on so let's roll the clip first
26:12neil heslin telling megan kelly of his
26:15experience with his with uh with his kid
26:18at sandy hook elementary school one of
26:21the darkest chapters in american history
26:24was a hoax
26:26i washed my son
26:28i buried my son
26:30i held my son with a bullet hole through
26:31his head
26:33neil heslin's son jesse just six years
26:36old was murdered along with 19 of his
26:39classmates and six adults on december
26:4114th 2012 in newtown connecticut i
26:45dropped him off at 904 that's when we
26:47dropped him off at school
26:49with his book bag
26:53[Music]
26:59okay so making a pretty extreme claim
27:02that would be a very thing vivid in your
27:03memory holding his dead child now here
27:06is an account from the coroner that does
27:09not cooperate with that narrative
27:15uh we did not bring the bodies and the
27:17family sense of contact
27:19we took pictures of them
27:21[Music]
27:23of their facial features
27:25[Music]
27:26it's easier on the families when you do
27:28that
27:30there is a time and a place up close and
27:33personal in the grieving process but to
27:36accomplish this we felt it would be best
27:39to do it this way and
27:42you can sort of uh
27:44you can control
27:46the situation uh depending on your
27:48photographer i have very good
27:50photographers
27:52but
27:54it's gonna be
27:56hard not to have been able to actually
27:58see her
28:00well
28:01at first i thought that and i had
28:03questioned
28:05maybe
28:06wanting to see her
28:10okay so just
28:12another question that people are now
28:14going to be asking about sandy hook the
28:16conspiracy theorists on the internet out
28:18there that have a lot of questions that
28:20are yet to get answered i mean you can
28:21say whatever you want about the event
28:22that's just a fact so there's another
28:24one
28:24will there be a clarification from
28:27heslin or megyn kelly
28:30i wouldn't hold your breath
28:32so now they're fueling the conspiracy
28:34theory claims unbelievable we'll be
28:35right back with more
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29:15so right after you called neil hesslin a
29:17liar
29:19and played a commercial to sell z force
29:22z shield you've got that
29:24objection
29:39correct
29:40uh no
29:41because you don't think you called dale
29:42hussein a liar right i didn't right
29:45after you ran that piece and we'll get
29:46to that part but after we ran that piece
29:49you ran that piece you ran a commercial
29:51trying to sell the
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29:56right
29:56i didn't run that that was probably
29:58pre-programmed into our commercial
30:00system free speech systems right after
30:03they had you say the things that you
30:04said about neil heslin right after that
30:07they ran a commercial for a product that
30:09they sell on their website called z
30:11shield right
30:13well yes when we go to a break we run
30:15commercials right because info wars
30:19is actually an infomercial right no
30:25take it down
30:28i want to look at the source can you put
30:30up px20 which is then evidence
30:32this is the article
30:37if it's useful to you
30:39just have um
30:46have four in your notebook
30:51alisa can you
30:53do you blow up where it says actually
30:55yeah do you love where it says
30:57content originally
31:05content originally published at i
31:07bank coin dot com you see that
31:14which uh which page is this
31:16it's also on your schedule yes it's true
31:18oh okay i'm sorry it may be easier that
31:20way i see that yes okay
31:22that is not a reliable source you and i
31:24can agree on that right
31:26uh yes
31:29the author we've talked about before and
31:31delicious flip on the top
31:37by zero point now
31:43you have no idea who that is right no
31:46you have no idea if they're reliable or
31:48not right now you've never heard of that
31:49person
31:50or leave so no pseudo name or whatever
31:52it may be right
31:54you definitely never run a story by zero
31:56point now before correct
31:59this was republished as you said by a
32:02website called zero hedge right yes also
32:05not a reliable source correct
32:08sometimes it is sometimes it isn't
32:11right
32:14so let me ask you this if i have if you
32:16get something from a source and you look
32:18and say you know this source sometimes
32:20is reliable sometimes
32:22they're way out there and unreliable
32:24isn't it incumbent on you to check it
32:27and do some sort of editing before you
32:29put it on here
32:30yes i could have done a better job you
32:32could have done a job
32:34right you did nothing you could have
32:36done something
32:37right
32:38well i was live on air at the time so
32:41it was given to me and i covered it
32:44is it an excuse to say i didn't have
32:46time
32:47is that an excuse to defamation to
32:49defending mr hesslin
32:52is that an excuse to you i just didn't
32:53have time
32:55can you repeat or phrase the question is
32:57it an excuse to say i didn't have time
32:59is that a proper excuse to go defend
33:02somebody
33:05no is it a proper excuse to devastate
33:08them
33:09i just didn't have time
33:11i don't agree that that's what happened
33:13which part
33:15that he was devastated
33:18that i had even if i had the time
33:22then i wouldn't run the story so it
33:24would never run it comes to me i'm on
33:25air
33:26time is it the essence is what you're
33:28saying
33:28got to get that news story going now
33:31right
33:32got to get to the end to sell the metal
33:34ions right
33:35whether i covered this story or not that
33:37commercial was going to run
33:40well the difference is whether you're
33:42covered or not is if we're sitting here
33:43today that's the difference right
33:47can you repeat the question
33:48the difference is it doesn't destroy
33:50these people if you don't run the story
33:52right
33:55i don't know
34:08i think we can agree on some points that
34:10you that we agree on before you ran this
34:12story
34:14you've had one never heard of mr hansen
34:18correct yes
34:23it's not going to work last time
34:25you ever heard mr hessler correct
34:27correct
34:28you did nothing to fact check the
34:30accuracy of this report or story correct
34:33correct you didn't watch the video
34:36right not prior to the segment did
34:38infowars cut those clips
34:40i do not know
34:41so editors in the wars as far as you
34:43know could have been the one who cut
34:44those clips you know they were cut right
34:46it's my understanding that they were cut
34:48by whoever published the story
34:52you know they were cut
34:53right
34:54we had a video clips yeah you know this
34:57the interview we're gonna get to it with
34:59with dr carver
35:00the medical examiner that's 15 and a
35:02half minutes long right
35:04i don't know that you know it's a lot
35:06longer than what was shown on that story
35:08right yes okay you know the
35:11um the families of the mcdonnell family
35:13they lost their daughter grace do you
35:14understand that okay you believe that
35:18do i believe what that they lost their
35:20daughter grace yes okay
35:22you know that that was a long interview
35:24with anderson cooper right
35:26again i was not familiar with the
35:27interview prior do you sitting on this
35:29seat right now i know that that
35:31interview with um
35:32anderson cooper was significantly longer
35:34than what was played i will take your
35:36word for it do you know that her answer
35:38this mcdonald's answer is actually cut
35:40off and get answered
35:42there's a lot more to that answer that
35:43explains what she said
35:45no did you know that what she's saying
35:47is she didn't want to open the casket at
35:49the funeral home to bring all the toys
35:51that she brought for grace to put him in
35:52there because she wanted to remember the
35:54way she looked when she was school that
35:55day you know that no
35:58because you didn't do anything to find
36:00out right
36:06you may not have even actually read the
36:08article before you put it up right start
36:09just kind of reading as you're going
36:12i don't recall for sure but yeah it
36:14could be the case you've never heard of
36:16i bankpoint right yes and you've never
36:19heard of the author zero point now
36:21correct yes
36:24despite that you have no problem putting
36:26that on the air right
36:29yes you have testified i think you just
36:32tried to say it again earlier you don't
36:33believe you called bill hessen a liar
36:36right yes
36:38i want to play a couple clips out of
36:40this
36:43i want to let's be clear
36:47that piece and what you saying is neil
36:49heslin did not hold his son right
36:53i don't believe i said that
36:55that's what the message is
36:57let's take the full message whether it
36:58comes from the article the clips are you
37:00the message is neil heslin never held
37:03jesse right no what's the message
37:06the message is that the intention of
37:08megyn kelly to bury these conspiracy
37:10theorists failed miserably and it's
37:12going to make it worse so you're
37:15we know this right this is this we can
37:17agree on alex jones was
37:19angry at megan kelly for that piece that
37:21ran
37:22right on him
37:25i don't thought i'm sure i'm sure that
37:27alex jones was unhappy that he was lied
37:29to by megyn kelly he was he was pissed
37:33i mean yeah he was lied to right
37:36so he wanted to get retaliation to megan
37:38kelly right
37:40you know if he had to stomp on neil
37:41hesland on the way to do it so being
37:44right that's what happened
37:46you know
37:47what you had to try to say because what
37:49you're what you're not saying is that
37:51neil haslam lost his son and he just
37:52didn't hold him but that's why what
37:54you're saying is he's a crisis actor who
37:57forgot his lines that's what we're
37:59saying i never said that that's the
38:00message no it's not
38:03because to say it's a hoax to say it's a
38:05hoax you have to say all these people
38:07are actors and when you find a glitch in
38:10the matrix when somebody says something
38:11just a little bit wrong that you think
38:13is out of character out of line they
38:15forgot their lines that's the
38:17that he's an actor right
38:19no i never said he was an actor i never
38:21said it was a hoax hey video clip one
38:23please
38:34he's claiming that he held his son
38:36and saw the bullet hole in his head that
38:39is his claim
38:41okay so making a pretty extreme claim
38:44that would be a very thing vivid in your
38:46memory holding his dead child
38:50those are two parts twice together but
38:51the point is both times you say he's
38:53claiming
38:54right
38:55yes right so that's like a
38:57you're saying it maybe it happened maybe
38:59it didn't he that's his claim not that
39:01it happened
39:02he's claiming it happened right
39:05well yeah that's what he claimed i'm not
39:07doubting that i never said that so he
39:08was a liar
39:10to be clear
39:12i i just want to make sure i understand
39:13this perfectly
39:14when you three times say he's claiming
39:17it and then show evidence that you say
39:19refuse it
39:21you're saying you're not doubting i
39:22didn't show evidence that refuted his
39:24claim i showed evidence that was
39:26presented to me that says this doesn't
39:28add up
39:29you don't think an edited clip
39:31of the corner saying
39:33uh
39:34the parents were never united with the
39:36kids
39:37and a clip of a mom saying i didn't get
39:39to see the child
39:40is evidence to refute his claims that he
39:44held jesse that's what your testimony is
39:46under oath to these 14 folks
39:4916 folks
39:51can you repeat the question
39:53i'll try
39:55you're saying that playing the coroner's
39:57clip saying that the parents and the
39:58children are never united
40:00and also
40:01playing a mother's interview where she
40:04said she did not get to see her daughter
40:06grace
40:07right after you say he claims to help
40:10jesse you don't say that that's evidence
40:12that he's not being truthful
40:14no and what was in my head that day was
40:17never that
40:18the only thing that was in my head that
40:20day was questioning megyn kelly because
40:22she lied to alex about what she was
40:24doing there
40:25and then here the conspiracy theory that
40:28she was trying to bury
40:29is rearing its ugly head again
40:31i could have done a much better job that
40:33day absolutely i probably should have
40:35known more about those videos and that
40:37story before i ran it but i never called
40:40mr heslin a liar i never said sandy hook
40:43didn't happen i never said that they
40:45were crisis actors
40:48responsible
40:54you just said
40:55it was you just said it was to get back
40:56at megan kelly because she lied
40:59down a shell that's what you just said
41:01right
41:02okay
41:04that's what this was about there's a
41:05give back to megyn kelly and if you
41:07stomp on some people on the way
41:09who cares you didn't even know who he
41:11was right
41:12i wasn't trying to stomp on anybody
41:15it's not a matter of what you're trying
41:17to do it's the result that matters right
41:23well when do we begin what's the result
41:25of what
41:28a quick video call video too please
41:36so and here's the thing too
41:41you would remember let me see how long
41:43these clips are
41:45you would remember if you held your dead
41:47kid in your hands with a bullet hole
41:49that's not something that you would just
41:51misspeak on
41:55you say misspoke
41:57no i said you wouldn't speak
42:00okay
42:01so what you're saying is is neil hessler
42:03was telling the truth
42:06the whole time that that's your position
42:08that's what this that's what this whole
42:09piece from start to finish the message
42:12anybody should get is that neil hesslin
42:14is telling the truth i am taking a
42:17neutral approach to this and i'm simply
42:19saying that is a serious memory in your
42:21head that you would not
42:23forget
42:24any challenge that it ever happened
42:26could you say the parents weren't
42:27allowed to see their kids right
42:30you put on evidence that the parents
42:31weren't allowed to see the kids right
42:33i played a clip of the corner
42:36saying that the kids weren't released or
42:38that the bodies weren't released so just
42:40as easily you could infer that the
42:41coroner was lying
42:43and then you played a family a grieving
42:45mother who said
42:47that she wanted to see her child who
42:49decided not to right
42:50yes that clip followed you cut it off
42:53whenever it explained what it was
42:54actually talking about right
42:56i did not edit that clip
42:58somebody didn't play
43:00uh yes you don't know who added it right
43:02i mean it could have been someone free
43:03speech could have been somebody else
43:05uh i don't know okay
43:09a couple more clips i want to play if
43:10you go to the full one and just stop
43:12that at 43 seconds
43:14can you just tell me which exhibit sure
43:15i'm sorry yeah it's the same
43:17just the same 20 um
43:19twenty-three x-20 groups
43:24that's fine
43:40i'm
43:42but featured in
43:44megyn kelly's expose
43:49two things i want to point out you see
43:51those three shares
43:54yeah all right this isn't an article
43:55that's sort of breaking the internet
43:56right
43:59uh
44:00i guess not all right you see the time
44:02it was published 3 35 pm
44:05yes that was the same day right
44:07yeah
44:08that's probably eastern time when you
44:10think i don't know okay let's call it
44:12335 central look it more favorable you
44:14said you published this around 5 55
44:17right
44:18i believe so so
44:21infowars somebody your
44:23folks in the back i don't know what you
44:24call them writers or editors whatever it
44:26may be
44:27had hours
44:29to try to fact check this before they
44:31hand it to me right not necessarily they
44:33might not have seen it till
44:355 35 okay and they have 20 minutes they
44:38might not have changed until 5.55 all
44:40right you think they just printed as
44:41hard after presses and do it to you most
44:43likely yes
44:47we saw with this karpova earlier today
44:50in fact
44:51the defense played a clip of alex jones
44:53saying that he gives his
44:55sincere condolences to the family are
44:58you familiar with that clip
45:01i have heard alex jones apologize
45:04and and
45:06basically correct himself many times
45:08let's be clear that was not an apology
45:10an apology is i'm sorry for what i did
45:13sincere condolences is not an apology
45:15it's something
45:16but it's not an apology right
45:18if i said i'm sorry for your loss i'm
45:20not apologizing to you
45:22fair
45:23that sounds like an apology to me if you
45:25lost a loved one and i came over and i
45:28said mr schroyer i'm really sorry for
45:29your loss
45:30that's not an apology
45:33i would say it is
45:37okay
45:43what am i apologizing
45:44for if if your loved one died and i said
45:48it's just clear i'm sorry if you're lost
45:49what am i apologizing for
45:51you were
45:52sympathetic that i'm grieving
45:54sure
45:56it's different than an apology apology
45:58because if i knock over your back and i
46:01say fine i'm sorry i knocked over your
46:03back i feel bad about that right because
46:05i did it right
46:08i don't know how to get this
46:14there is a video that we can play if you
46:16need there's a video that was played
46:18where alex jones says i am sincerely i
46:21have a sincere condolences to the
46:24families of san diego are you familiar
46:26with that
46:28is this the same video that you
46:30asked me about right i'm just trying to
46:32figure out if you're familiar with one
46:33single video
46:34um exactly
46:36this is exactly one week before not
46:39after
46:40before this video is going to understand
46:42that
46:42i'm not familiar with the exact video
46:45okay
46:47it's dx67 we're not going to play it
46:52but it was before yes
46:54okay take my word for that sure
46:58will you play the fact checkers clip
47:01this is still part of the saying i'll
47:02just
47:07basically what he said the statement he
47:09made
47:11fact checkers on this have said
47:13cannot be accurate
47:16who is the fact checkers
47:19i'm not sure i'm looking over this right
47:22now it may have been that text may have
47:25been in the story that phrase fact
47:27checkers really but um
47:30mr troy
47:31we got time the article's not long if
47:33you want to read it and find out i'm
47:35happy for you or i can point you to
47:36where i think you want to look
47:38okay would you yeah if you look at page
47:40two would you put this up
47:42to the px20
47:49is your waterproof
47:54can you bring another water pitcher out
47:56please
47:57defense table
48:00h2 lisa take this one
48:06look what my staffing board
48:22you see at the bottom of page two of the
48:24story it says jim fetzer professor
48:27emeritus at the university of minnesota
48:31who wrote a book claiming samia was
48:34and goes on to kind of spew whatever
48:37that is
48:39that's the fact checker right
48:43that's most likely what i was referring
48:44to yes okay
48:55i did not know that at the time um i do
48:58understand that
49:00he no longer is employed at that
49:02university
49:06the book sandy hook what this
49:09i'm sorry this book's not called the san
49:11diego stage it's called nobody died in
49:13san diego you know that right no i'm
49:15unfamiliar was it on whether on the
49:17infowars website as a pdf
49:19i'm not sure
49:20okay
49:24thank you
49:25so
49:26much
49:30orient the jury this is june 25th 2017
49:34right yes okay listen you've been up uh
49:37px73
49:42local what
49:45you know paul watson is right yes
49:48remember what his title was in 2015 or
49:512016.
49:53what do you mean by time who was his job
49:55he worked rainfall where does he was his
49:58i believe he was the editor-in-chief
50:01let's see what he says in an email on
50:03december 17 2015 so about six months
50:07before you run that story
50:09i'm gonna read this along and see if i
50:10read it right this sandy book stuff is
50:13killing us
50:15it's promoted by the most fat-shit crazy
50:17people like ritz and fetzer who all hate
50:20us anyway
50:21plus it makes us look really bad to
50:24align with people who harass the parents
50:25of dead kids it's going to hurt us with
50:27drudge
50:28and bringing bigger names into the show
50:31plus the event happened three years ago
50:33why even risk our reputation for it i
50:35read that right yes did you see that
50:37popular that said send this to alex
50:40right yes you understand that to me this
50:42is the message he said to alex and he's
50:43now sending buckley uh anthony and
50:46anthony for us right yes
50:48six months before you ran your story
50:50infowars knew
50:52that fencer was not a well named
50:54right
50:56it's like you repeat that six months
50:57before you ran your story
51:00who the fact checker in the story was
51:02professor six months before you did that
51:05in fort worth knew that he was not a
51:06well man right
51:08you are
51:13oh
51:14i looked at it wrong my bad so i'm sorry
51:16a year and a half my fault not six
51:18months a year and a half
51:20before a year and a half before you ran
51:23your story
51:24infowars music spencer was not well
51:27right
51:28uh yeah i mean clearly via this email
51:31paul joseph watson did not trust fetzer
51:34and called him that shit crazy and there
51:36was a there was an email that went out
51:38and said stop this let's stop for the
51:39same stuff right
51:41yes but you didn't
51:42right i never saw this email i didn't
51:44say you saw this email you clearly saw
51:46the one that said stop working on your
51:48stuff right you know i just told you
51:49i've never seen it you've got this email
51:52was there a message email smoke signal
51:55memo whatever it may be that said stop
51:57it and infowars with the sandy looks
51:59done
52:00uh i believe those
52:02memos may have gone around i don't
52:04exactly recall though that didn't happen
52:06no there was more videos and then there
52:08was yours since 2017 right yes
52:14can you play the carver video
52:17so before you play it
52:19this is the clip from dr carver the
52:22medical examiner
52:24and and you can hear his answer well i'm
52:26going to turn this as loud as i can i
52:27want you to try to hear the question
52:29that he's answering okay have you ever
52:31thought about that have you ever
52:32considered it
52:33i'm not sure
52:35you don't know if you've ever heard the
52:36question that he's actually answering
52:39i don't call
52:49it's not for me i mean it is for me but
52:51it's for the record too so this is your
52:53video playing this video 23. yes pbx pbx
52:57finder
53:08i'll tell you what i'm actually going to
53:09tell you what the question is
53:11and then you can just it'll help you
53:12hear when you actually know what it is
53:15the question is
53:16what shape were the bodies in
53:19when the families were brought forward
53:20to identify
53:22okay
53:29uh we did not bring the bodies and the
53:31families into contact
53:33we took pictures of them
53:36um
53:37of their facial features
53:39you have uh it's easier on the families
53:42when you do that
53:43uh there is uh
53:45a time and a place for of course and
53:47personal in the grieving process but to
53:49accomplish this uh we felt it would be
53:52best
53:53to do it this way and uh you can sort of
53:56uh
53:58you can control
54:00the situation
54:01uh depending on your photographer i have
54:03very good photographers
54:05but
54:06[Music]
54:09does it sound like a question that i
54:10said
54:12i sounded like it okay it's close it's
54:14something about
54:17how were these children's bodies what
54:19condition were they in when the poor
54:21family had become identified that was
54:22the question being asked right
54:25it's tough to hear but something like
54:27that right
54:28do you think the state of connecticut
54:30just somehow
54:32wouldn't allow parents to ever be
54:34reunited with their kids after they were
54:37murdered is that a real thought you have
54:41i'm not sure
54:44do you think that's possible
54:47what's possible that the state of
54:49connecticut just wouldn't give the
54:50bodies of murder children back to their
54:52parents for the morning and grieving
54:54process
54:55i'm not sure the process of corners
54:58receiving retrieving dead bodies in the
55:01process of that getting released all i
55:03had was that clip and in the clip what
55:06dr carver says is to accomplish this
55:10what is this he's talking about
55:13i'm not sure it's the identification of
55:15the kids and matching them up with their
55:16parents right
55:18okay do you think he would be wise
55:21to have a board full
55:23of 20 dead first graders and bring
55:26parents in and say go find your child
55:29or
55:30is it a little bit better practice to
55:33have photographs and try to do it that
55:34way
55:35i have no idea i've never worked with a
55:38corner i don't know that process which
55:40one makes more sense mr schroeder
55:43again i don't know
55:45maybe it's harder to identify with a
55:46picture maybe it's harder to identify a
55:48body you're asking me a line of work i
55:51have zero experience in
55:56you never listen to the whole video the
55:58whole interview dr carter right i don't
56:00believe so
56:05if you look at past six in your book
56:09tab six yes sir or you may not have
56:12my book goes up to four i'm not gonna
56:14introduce this i'm gonna
56:25thank you i have the whole video i don't
56:27think we need to listen to it
56:29but what i did is just the screenshot
56:30and blew up the little stamp at the end
56:32it shows 15 28. you see that
56:37yes does that
56:39show you that this the whole video is 15
56:41minutes and 28 seconds
56:44i'll trust your word for it all right
56:46can i screw up as a demonstrator
56:49any objection no objection here okay
56:56you edited out what or in your piece
56:59there was a part edited out of what
57:01maybe
57:0130 seconds 45 seconds
57:04around there yeah
57:15that was available
57:16right
57:17you could have went and found that video
57:19figured out what was being discussed
57:21right
57:23you mean
57:29no
57:32you don't think that video was available
57:33when you married it available might have
57:35been available
57:36but i'm saying i've never had access to
57:38it and i had four minutes left until
57:40break and that was all the videos i had
57:42four minutes left until the the ion
57:44metal ion whatever it feels yeah right
57:46right the commercial information
57:49commercial break yeah right information
57:55you testified that that this was a vape
57:57it was on it was you could have found it
57:59if you wouldn't live for it right
58:01you're not exceeding that
58:03the full
58:05um interview of the coroner was
58:06available
58:09okay
58:11you're agreeing with me right
58:12well again i don't know that but i'm
58:14trying i'm taking your word for it okay
58:16well if you're good look at your
58:18decision and pay 110 five fourteen
58:27the question that you're asked is
58:28because available with the whole
58:29foreigners press conference true what's
58:31your answer
58:33uh 110 line 14 through 16.
58:36i'll read my question again
58:38because available was the whole
58:40coroner's press conference true
58:42my answer was not too mean but it was
58:45out there it was available if somebody
58:47just looked
58:48right oh yeah
58:51your whole story this whole story is
58:53wrong because you didn't know the clip
58:56from the interview with the coroner was
58:57edited
58:58that's fair right
59:00yeah the zero hedge story i had that
59:03clipped out
59:04let me ask you that question again and
59:06then that's not responsive
59:09the whole story you ran the free speech
59:11system put out on the air to however
59:13many people would watch it and then
59:15probably loaded it up somewhere that
59:16whole story was wrong because you did
59:19not know the clip from the interview of
59:20the coroner was edited right
59:26i don't understand your question i'm
59:27sorry
59:35what you aired is wrong
59:38it's wrong right it's not a correct
59:41statement
59:42the whole piece is wrong
59:44can you be more specific for me
59:48yeah this timeline of events and fact
59:50checkers is all wrong
59:52not true
59:53factually inaccurate
59:56fair
1:00:00i'd say that
1:00:02it's my recollection that the timeline
1:00:04presented in that story wasn't accurate
1:00:06now and the story was wrong because you
1:00:08didn't know that the interview with the
1:00:09coroner was edited right correct okay
1:00:13you were just like you said a second ago
1:00:15too much of a in too much of a hurry to
1:00:18get that on the air
1:00:20to do that right
1:00:21no it wasn't a hurry it was just a new
1:00:23story was brought to me and i covered it
1:00:28and in the process
1:00:31for real people
1:00:33you understand that now right
1:00:36i i feel awful for grieving parents from
1:00:39that horrific event that is not what i
1:00:41asked you in the process of hurrying up
1:00:43and putting that story out to a
1:00:46worldwide broadcast you hurt real people
1:00:49do you understand that sitting here
1:00:50right now today
1:00:57i'm sorry if
1:00:58that hurt anybody
1:01:01and
1:01:02it's hard for me to accept that
1:01:04as we're continuing to talk about it for
1:01:07me to say understand this hurt someone
1:01:09but yet we just keep talking about it so
1:01:12we're just going to keep hurting people
1:01:16you think they shouldn't exercise their
1:01:17rights to the court system because that
1:01:19might hurt them just let you off that's
1:01:21what you think
1:01:36you don't care if these folks were hurt
1:01:37by what you did
1:01:39i'm i'm very upset if i caused any
1:01:42further grievance i'm very upset that
1:01:45this continues and i hope that
1:01:48their grieving can end sometimes
1:01:56well i would imagine going through this
1:01:58process has to
1:01:59still hurt
1:02:04you signed an affidavit okay do you
1:02:06remember that yes
1:02:10you pull up px14 and before you do it i
1:02:12believe it is in evidence that i want to
1:02:14confirm
1:02:15the number px14 sorry
1:02:1814 isn't evidence
1:02:21it's tab two in your book
1:02:24at least it would pull up to the uh oh
1:02:26i'm sorry you asked me about
1:02:27y'all's the number one system not a
1:02:29video let me double check i look at the
1:02:31wrong thing okay 14 isn't evidence yes
1:02:38if you look couple pages in where your
1:02:40signature line is
1:02:48do you see that part that says
1:02:50sworn to
1:02:53blood
1:02:55let me just ask you an easier way you
1:02:57know when you do an affidavit that's
1:02:58sworn testimony right yes okay under
1:03:01penalty
1:03:02right
1:03:03i want to look at paragraph 10 please
1:03:17you're discussing
1:03:18the broadcast and what you did
1:03:23and you say i
1:03:25then played the referenced
1:03:28unaltered
1:03:31widely distributed video clip
1:03:33of a news conference with the medical
1:03:35examiner
1:03:36cited in which she told reporters that
1:03:38parents were not given access to their
1:03:40children
1:03:41fun altered
1:03:43yes that is inaccurate
1:03:46no there's nothing altered about that
1:03:47clip i just showed you the clip's 15
1:03:50minutes and change right
1:03:52that's a different clip okay
1:03:54what you're saying is you just used to
1:03:56whatever
1:03:57zero point now did he did whatever he
1:03:59wanted to do right
1:04:04i'm saying that
1:04:05the clip that you played at the corner
1:04:07was not altered it may have been cut out
1:04:10of a larger clip but that clip itself
1:04:12was not altered at least i'm not aware
1:04:14of it
1:04:16if i take a clip
1:04:18and take a piece out of it haven't i
1:04:19altered the clip
1:04:21no you just made a new clip okay so by
1:04:24unaltered what you mean is you didn't
1:04:27like dub over it or something like that
1:04:29yes okay
1:04:30all right
1:04:31take that down a little bit
1:04:33i want to play one more actually a
1:04:35couple more parts
1:04:36from pbx 23
1:04:3923.
1:04:40we're going to play that mcdonald family
1:04:42clip if you would
1:04:48it's got to be
1:04:49you know not to have been able to
1:04:51actually see her
1:04:53well
1:04:54at first i thought that and i had
1:04:56questioned
1:04:58maybe
1:05:00wanting to see her
1:05:06early on i asked you the question
1:05:08it is not right
1:05:10to edit a clip to create an agenda and
1:05:12you agreed right yes you know that clip
1:05:15was edited to fit an agenda right
1:05:17not at the time i didn't ask you that at
1:05:19the time
1:05:20i still don't know that you don't okay
1:05:23you've never seen the full transcript no
1:05:25okay
1:05:28fantastic exhibit 19 is under tab three
1:05:31this is the transcript of the article
1:05:33with
1:05:42authentication
1:05:52uh you're on a coaching cnn website um
1:05:55we're obviously not offering the truth
1:05:56of the matter stereotypes uh we're just
1:05:59showing him that he edited a clip right
1:06:00so he
1:06:01he his subjection is often
1:06:04authentication not hearsay
1:06:06so do you have something to show me
1:06:09where it came from
1:06:12okay uh can i read the rest of that
1:06:14answer i haven't read the answer to that
1:06:16question who read the rest of the answer
1:06:19to what questions i'm sorry the uh miss
1:06:21mcdonald's answer that was cut off from
1:06:23the clip that he played we have the rest
1:06:25of the answer do you have the video you
1:06:27only have a transcript we're unable to
1:06:29ever find
1:06:31and okay and you got the transcript from
1:06:34the cnn website our expert first
1:06:37okay we need to wait for him i think we
1:06:39might need to wait for the expert and
1:06:40then bring it back up
1:06:48mr schroyer have you
1:06:50seen the full video
1:06:53no ma'am
1:06:56do you mr shorter understand that what
1:06:58she was saying about seeing her child
1:07:01was in the funeral home
1:07:03at the mcdonald family what they did is
1:07:05they brought grace's things that she lot
1:07:08of seashells
1:07:10they brought sunglasses they brought
1:07:12taylor swift out
1:07:16and they were going to put it
1:07:18in the casket with grace
1:07:21but they didn't because they didn't want
1:07:22to see her body like that so they gave
1:07:24it to the funeral director
1:07:25you understand that's what she's saying
1:07:27right there i was unaware of that that
1:07:29would be an important thing to know
1:07:30right
1:07:31before you run a piece like that yes
1:07:34obviously she saw her child right
1:07:36i don't know
1:07:38obviously she was allowed
1:07:40that's a bad question obviously she was
1:07:42allowed to sing
1:07:43right i don't know
1:07:47it is your position that you do not know
1:07:50as a general proposition whether or not
1:07:53parents of murder children are ever
1:07:55allowed to see the child's body
1:07:57i'd have to make an assumption but i
1:07:59mean i would assume yes right
1:08:10and play the evening clip
1:08:12the ending clip
1:08:14one more clip from pdx 23.
1:08:23okay so just
1:08:25another question that people are now
1:08:27going to be asking about sandy hook the
1:08:30conspiracy theorists on the internet out
1:08:31there that have a lot of questions that
1:08:33are yet to get answered i mean you can
1:08:34say whatever you want about the event
1:08:35that's just the fact so there's another
1:08:37one will there be a clarification from
1:08:40heslin or megyn kelly
1:08:43i wouldn't hold your breath
1:08:45so now they're fueling the conspiracy
1:08:47theory claims unbelievable we'll be
1:08:49right back with more
1:08:55owe you an explanation he does
1:08:57why in the world would megan owe you an
1:08:59explanation
1:09:00she doesn't
1:09:02what about any of that was funny
1:09:06as i explained earlier
1:09:08if megan's megyn kelly's goal was to
1:09:11stymie conspiracy theories about sandy
1:09:14hook being a hoax it did the exact
1:09:16opposite of its
1:09:18effect i don't find sandy hook funny i
1:09:21don't find the tragic loss of life funny
1:09:23at all do you think do you think that
1:09:25prolonged and increased grief
1:09:28around a murdered child or something
1:09:33right you understand that's what
1:09:34happened
1:09:40you prolonged any compounded grief you
1:09:42understand that
1:09:43by covering an interview with megan
1:09:45kelly
1:09:49by saying neil hesslin never held jesse
1:09:51after never murdering sandy hook
1:09:53i never said that
1:10:00i think scarlett
1:10:04yes
1:10:122016 is when you started
1:10:14in wars or free speech systems
1:10:18you knew and know that really the only
1:10:21people
1:10:22that were spreading this lie about
1:10:24samuel was you
1:10:26and wolfgang holy right
1:10:28now
1:10:30191
1:10:31deposition
1:10:5124 the question is
1:10:55why were there so why were they so
1:10:58important to you in this video you
1:11:00mentioned them twice you've answered
1:11:02i think it was more a matter of
1:11:04from my perspective alex jones was
1:11:06catching all this flack for sandy hook
1:11:09but the other people that were
1:11:10questioning it weren't
1:11:12to my best knowledge the question well
1:11:14what do you mean by other people answer
1:11:16wolfgang holiday question anyone else
1:11:19answer not that i'm aware of
1:11:21that's what you said under oath but
1:11:25eight months ago right yes have you
1:11:27learned something different now
1:11:31can you rephrase that
1:11:32have you learned something different i
1:11:33mean the people spreading the lies
1:11:36about sandy hook was alex jones and
1:11:38wolfgang holiday those are the two main
1:11:40people right
1:11:41well i guess zero hedge as well
1:11:46with this three shares
1:11:48well that was at the time i don't know
1:11:50how many times it's been shared now
1:11:52so
1:11:55i just want
1:11:56i want to make make sure you get
1:11:58what is it zero point or z or zero
1:12:03zero zero hedge okay
1:12:05wolfgang holding
1:12:07and i was joined in influence right
1:12:11right what is that those are the folks
1:12:13that were spreading lives about sanjo
1:12:19i feel like you're asking central
1:12:23let me go back to the definition i'll
1:12:24ask you a different question
1:12:26you say in your deposition on page 191
1:12:29that the other people
1:12:31catching flack about sandy hook was
1:12:32wolfgang holbeck and you're not aware of
1:12:34anyone else correct that's what you said
1:12:36under oath
1:12:39no i said alex jones
1:12:41alex jones and wolfgang halter those are
1:12:42the two right
1:12:45those are the two names mentioned in my
1:12:47deposition yes it wasn't like we just
1:12:49moved on there was another question that
1:12:51said
1:12:52anyone else and you said not that i'm
1:12:54aware of right
1:12:56yeah okay but today you want to say zero
1:12:58here we'll throw them in the mix zero
1:13:00edge zero point now and i guess i think
1:13:03all right
1:13:05you would agree with me that to spread
1:13:08whether it be the truth or a lie you
1:13:10have to have a way to reach the audience
1:13:14right
1:13:16the platform if you will
1:13:19yes
1:13:21wolfgang holiday
1:13:23info wars was his voice
1:13:26oh you were his megaphone right no
1:13:29he didn't have a tv show
1:13:31right
1:13:33you don't need a tv show to have a voice
1:13:35i'm going to go through some other items
1:13:36too so i'll ask that question again he
1:13:38doesn't have a tv show right not that
1:13:40i'm aware of does it have a radio show
1:13:41right not that i'm aware of does it have
1:13:43some big internet presence right
1:13:45i don't know he doesn't have any way to
1:13:47get his brand of crazy out other through
1:13:49other than through influence right
1:13:51that's who he used right i don't know
1:13:54let's play pbx15g
1:14:03you have no reason to be doing this to
1:14:05be going public i mean i would imagine
1:14:06you lost a lot of business
1:14:08and you tell that to my wife i have a
1:14:10body kicked out of my own house after
1:14:12being married 39 years alex i'm about to
1:14:15lose my family because i'm simply asking
1:14:18the questions that you and your stations
1:14:20are looking at and i'm asking you right
1:14:22now and i'm asking all your listeners
1:14:23don't go ahead support infowars become
1:14:26part of the warriors we need out we need
1:14:29to show we the truth uh if you find it
1:14:32in your heart to donate a few dollars to
1:14:34our legal funds let me tell you we have
1:14:36them
1:14:37we have the lawsuits fine we are closed
1:14:40but we can't do it without people
1:14:42helping me i'm too old for this but i do
1:14:44need help the big thing is support is
1:14:47for wars because if we don't have your
1:14:49voice nobody's going to hear the truth
1:14:52well folks you need to donate and bring
1:14:54those are going to break tell us the
1:14:55specifics of where it was filed what's
1:14:57going on with the lawsuit
1:14:59well it's filed here in seminole county
1:15:01because all of my business says
1:15:03children's safety institute the national
1:15:05institute this is my home this is where
1:15:08i live and so instead of going to
1:15:11connecticut where everything is crooked
1:15:13we're going to come in the back door and
1:15:15therefore we file it it's in the
1:15:17seminole county court system the judge i
1:15:20mean the female judge she saw what we're
1:15:22talking about and she did not hesitate
1:15:25issuing those 10 subpoenas across the
1:15:28country and they've been served and
1:15:31we're not just waiting follow the
1:15:32responses wow well this is big national
1:15:35news
1:15:39did you hear mr halbig say
1:15:41if we don't have your voice
1:15:44nobody is going to hear the truth
1:15:48i don't remember everything he said but
1:15:50i believe something along those lines
1:15:53said yes you trust me that that's close
1:15:55enough right that's that was the message
1:15:56you just said
1:15:57rather than play it again i'll trust you
1:15:59fair enough
1:16:00the your in your voice is infowars or
1:16:03alex jones right
1:16:06or the audience yeah
1:16:09the audience
1:16:12we're going to play it again i'm going
1:16:13to stop it right if he says it's not
1:16:14supposed to do it all okay let's make
1:16:15sure
1:16:24you have no reason to be doing this to
1:16:26be going public i mean i would imagine
1:16:27you've lost a lot of business
1:16:29and you tell that to my wife i am about
1:16:31to be kicked out of my own house after
1:16:33being married 39 years alex i'm about to
1:16:36lose my family because i'm simply asking
1:16:39the questions that you and your stations
1:16:41are looking at and i'm asking you right
1:16:43now and i'm asking all your listeners
1:16:45don't go ahead support
1:16:47wars become part of the warriors we need
1:16:49out we need this show we the truth uh if
1:16:52you find it in your heart to donate a
1:16:54few dollars to our legal funds let me
1:16:56tell you we have them
1:16:58we have the lawsuits filed we are closed
1:17:01but we can't do it without people
1:17:03helping me i'm too old for this but i do
1:17:06need help the big thing is support is
1:17:08for wars because if we don't have your
1:17:11voice nobody's gonna hear the truth
1:17:14support infowars because if we don't
1:17:17have your voice nobody's going to hear
1:17:19the truth
1:17:20mr haldick knows he needs infowars to
1:17:23get his message out right i don't know
1:17:25that that's what you just said
1:17:30necessarily tell me what other
1:17:31interpretation that we all just heard
1:17:34of we need infowars if we don't have
1:17:38right say it perfectly if we don't have
1:17:40your voice nobody's going to hear the
1:17:42truth what other interpretation is it
1:17:44then he needs infowars to get his
1:17:46message out
1:17:47he addressed before that he said i said
1:17:50something along the lines of i need your
1:17:52listeners or i need all your listeners
1:17:54so
1:17:56that could be viewed as
1:17:58we're all in this together we need your
1:18:00voice like you out there in the audience
1:18:05support infowars
1:18:08right before right
1:18:10supporting forwards we don't have your
1:18:12voice nobody's gonna hear the truth
1:18:14right it's pointing forward by giving
1:18:16money
1:18:17right
1:18:19uh yeah i think he mentioned a legal
1:18:20fund campaign too yeah so
1:18:24because in addition to selling
1:18:26supplements and that's what he's saying
1:18:27supportive for worse he's not saying go
1:18:30buy the supplements he's saying just
1:18:31give it money right
1:18:32no you have to donate
1:18:34but just donate money right
1:18:37we do have a donate button yeah but i
1:18:38don't think he mentioned that i didn't
1:18:39hear that right and and sometimes you
1:18:41have
1:18:42almost telephones where it's just just
1:18:44just give me money if you want to hear
1:18:46the truth
1:18:47you'll hear the truth just give us money
1:18:49give us some more money right yeah
1:18:50everybody does that pbs
1:18:54is that this gps cell
1:18:57brain force what does the brain force do
1:18:59no they just take harmony yeah
1:19:03without the kind of brain
1:19:07uh force force losses appeal that bring
1:19:09forth apart yes sorry yeah pbs doesn't
1:19:12have to sell anything to get funding
1:19:13they just get it for free you know yes
1:19:15it's non-profit right
1:19:17non-profit yeah
1:19:19okay did you not know that
1:19:22well it might be a non-profit but people
1:19:24are getting paid
1:19:27yeah that's not now about it
1:19:31this is more questions for you
1:19:34all right mr real
1:20:02please tell the members of the jury
1:20:03where you're from
1:20:05i am originally from st louis missouri
1:20:09and um
1:20:11did you go to college
1:20:13i did go to college and what did you get
1:20:15your degree
1:20:17i studied
1:20:18psychology and media studies
1:20:22what uh
1:20:24how did you
1:20:26first get involved with broadcasting
1:20:32in high school when i wasn't starting on
1:20:34the varsity teams i realized i was not
1:20:36going to be a professional athlete so i
1:20:38began writing for our school newspaper
1:20:41and doing reporting from our high school
1:20:43sporting events
1:20:46while you were after you graduated from
1:20:48high school while you were in college
1:20:50did you continue to work in broadcasting
1:20:53i did when i was at college i was
1:20:55actually working professionally at
1:20:57multiple radio stations in st louis
1:21:00and i was also the editor-in-chief of
1:21:03our student newspaper called the current
1:21:07and uh
1:21:08what type of reporting were you doing
1:21:12for the current i was reporting on
1:21:15everything because we were very
1:21:16understaffed so movies concerts sports
1:21:20uh just general activities on campus and
1:21:23then professionally i was in the sports
1:21:25media covering local sports in st louis
1:21:27college professional
1:21:29uh was this on the radio yes
1:21:32and about how much time would you spend
1:21:34on the radio talking about sports
1:21:40at one point in time i was producing i
1:21:42believe four shows a day weekdays
1:21:45and i was not the host
1:21:47um but i would engage in commentary with
1:21:49the show hosts that i was producing for
1:21:52at that time
1:21:55so we're talking maybe 10-12 hours
1:21:59and um
1:22:01did you uh
1:22:02did there come a time when
1:22:06you became interested in covering
1:22:09things beyond just sports
1:22:12yeah i believe it was about 2013 when i
1:22:16wanted to pivot from sports to current
1:22:19events and politics
1:22:21and
1:22:22if you recall what was there an event
1:22:24something that happened that that
1:22:27made you want to switch from sports to
1:22:29current events
1:22:31there was
1:22:32it was the boston marathon bombing
1:22:35it was the first time in my life that i
1:22:38ever watched a news broadcast at all i
1:22:40was not really watching television news
1:22:42but i had the same fervor for being
1:22:45accurate
1:22:46talking on the radio back then
1:22:48so i started to watch news reports on
1:22:50the person marathon bombing and i
1:22:52started to follow up on some of those do
1:22:54some digging
1:22:55and what i realized was that
1:22:57we're not getting a full story from our
1:22:59government or our mainstream media and
1:23:01it was kind of a shocking experience for
1:23:03me
1:23:05that really just changed my career path
1:23:09how did you go about
1:23:11making the transition from
1:23:14and let me back up what was it about the
1:23:17coverage of the boston marathon bombing
1:23:19so
1:23:20stuck out to you and made you want to
1:23:22look into it more
1:23:24well for one the fbi
1:23:27put up the sonja brothers mug shots
1:23:31and they were looking for information on
1:23:33them but they claimed at the time they
1:23:35didn't know who they were
1:23:36and it later came out that the older
1:23:38sonia brother was actually a government
1:23:41asset and had been flying back and forth
1:23:43from the united states to parts of the
1:23:45middle east so they knew well they were
1:23:47well aware of who he was
1:23:49and they didn't tell us that
1:23:51and then when i saw the
1:23:54lockdown that they had i don't know if
1:23:55lockdown is the right word but basically
1:23:57they were going door to door looking for
1:23:59them
1:23:59and then somehow he's in a boat covered
1:24:02in blood and they didn't find him so i
1:24:04didn't really know what i was getting
1:24:06into at the time i just
1:24:08had more interest in that
1:24:10in that moment than i did in sports for
1:24:12the first time in my life
1:24:14and how did you how did you
1:24:17go about
1:24:19making the transition
1:24:21from being a sports only radio
1:24:25person
1:24:27to being
1:24:29somebody who covered
1:24:31politics and tournaments
1:24:33i was extremely embedded in the sports
1:24:35industry in st louis so it really wasn't
1:24:38even a transition i continued to work
1:24:40all the jobs that i had in sports but i
1:24:42started doing some political stuff on
1:24:44the side
1:24:45doing some youtube live videos starting
1:24:47to interject some political stuff on the
1:24:49radio shows
1:24:51um so it was really just more of an
1:24:53add-on talk than it was a transition at
1:24:55the time
1:24:57your uh
1:25:00the
1:25:06when you were fine when you got a radio
1:25:09show that allowed me to talk about
1:25:12politics and current events
1:25:14how
1:25:19i think i was 23
1:25:22at the time
1:25:24and really most of my political coverage
1:25:26at that time was on youtube because
1:25:29anybody could start a youtube account
1:25:31and fire up a live stream and have an
1:25:33audience
1:25:34and from what time to what time did we
1:25:38broadcast
1:25:39there was no uh frequency of time it was
1:25:42really just a matter of
1:25:44if i had a free hour or so that was a
1:25:46poor question when you finally got a
1:25:48radio show and said who was talking
1:25:50about politics
1:25:52what time was it
1:25:54nine to midnight
1:25:56and um
1:25:58were you paid to do that no
1:26:00how did you get the radio station to put
1:26:02you on from nine to nine
1:26:04well i won
1:26:06a civil suit against the radio station
1:26:08because they owed me thousands of
1:26:09dollars
1:26:10and the gm at the time
1:26:13offered me a time slot on the radio
1:26:16in exchange for not me not being paid
1:26:18the funds
1:26:20i knew i was going to get paid i wanted
1:26:21the air time so that was the deal it was
1:26:24made
1:26:25all right it's five o'clock we're gonna
1:26:26break for the day
1:26:28for my jury please remember and follow
1:26:31all of the instructions i've given you
1:26:32so far and i'll see you tomorrow at 8 45
1:26:36so that we can start right at nine thank
1:26:38you so much

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