If YOU Give Me 20 Minutes, You'll Become Financially Free — Transcript
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- 0:00A lot of people listen to this, and if I
- 0:01go back, if I go back just over 10 years
- 0:03in my life, I would have been sat
- 0:05listening to this conversation in £7,000
- 0:08of debt.
- 0:09And I would have thought, God, like
- 0:10becoming a millionaire, that's a that's
- 0:12a million miles away.
- 0:13No pun intended. I I To become a
- 0:15millionaire, I'm going to have to earn
- 0:17so much more money. And at the time, I
- 0:19was working in call centers.
- 0:21It would it would have just felt so far
- 0:22away. And I say, you know, people are
- 0:25struggling to feed their children, let
- 0:26alone become a millionaire.
- 0:29Is it far away for the average person?
- 0:32>> It's far away if you don't know the
- 0:33strategy. There's a strategy to getting
- 0:35out of debt. There's a strategy building
- 0:37wealth. There's a system.
- 0:39>> How much of it is just earning more
- 0:41money? Because when I have these
- 0:42conversations on my show, I think the
- 0:44surprisingly untouched territory is we
- 0:48don't teach people how to become more
- 0:50valuable so that they can earn more
- 0:52money. A lot of it's about like index
- 0:54funds or savings, whatever. But how much
- 0:56of it is just like
- 0:58I need to get
- 1:00higher valued skills in the market.
- 1:03>> We know for a fact that making more
- 1:04money doesn't make you rich. So so
- 1:06people can go, as I told you earlier,
- 1:08like from $100,000, they can go from
- 1:1050,000 to 100,000 and still be broke.
- 1:13They can go from 100,000 to 200,000 a
- 1:15year and still be broke. They can go
- 1:16from 200,000 to 300,000 and still be
- 1:18broke.
- 1:19In the US, when you take households that
- 1:21make $150,000
- 1:23a year, one out of three of them are
- 1:25still broke.
- 1:26When you peel back the curtain and you
- 1:28ask, why is that? Well, we know things
- 1:30cost more, but we also know there's
- 1:32massive lifestyle creep, right? You get
- 1:35you get around other people who are
- 1:36making more money, and then you spend
- 1:38more money.
- 1:39And the reality is these phones are
- 1:42designed to get you to spend everything,
- 1:44right? Today, with the algorithms,
- 1:46there's better technology today than
- 1:47there's ever been to get you to spend
- 1:49more money.
- 1:50And nobody wants you to spend money
- 1:51once, they want you to spend money for a
- 1:53lifetime, right? It's a lifetime value
- 1:54of a a
- 1:56So there's a battle for our income.
- 2:00And everyone wants a piece of it. It
- 2:02starts with the government. Like, you go
- 2:04to work and you go to work at 9:00 and
- 2:06you actually work from 9:00 to 12:00 for
- 2:09taxes.
- 2:10Now, this is an important lesson,
- 2:11actually. The government doesn't ask you
- 2:14to budget to pay taxes.
- 2:17They take your taxes from you
- 2:19automatically. They take social security
- 2:22from you automatically. They They take
- 2:24the money from you automatically because
- 2:25they know you won't have anything to
- 2:27give if they don't take it from you.
- 2:30Then people work from 12:00 to about
- 2:313:00 for housing and food. And then from
- 2:353:00 to 5:00 for all the rest of all the
- 2:37rest of things.
- 2:40The people who build wealth in America,
- 2:42and really all over the world, they do
- 2:44something different. They keep the first
- 2:46hour a day of their income.
- 2:48>> What do you mean by that?
- 2:49>> So, what that means is whatever you
- 2:50earn,
- 2:52you could be making minimum wage. You
- 2:54could be making $20 an hour, $30 an
- 2:56hour, $40 an hour. Whatever you earn,
- 2:59the first hour a day of your income has
- 3:01to go to you.
- 3:02You're the first person who gets paid.
- 3:04>> And you mean you have to save it, invest
- 3:06it?
- 3:06>> You have to invest it. So, how do you
- 3:09invest the first hour of your day
- 3:12without paying taxes?
- 3:14The answer is you pay yourself first
- 3:16using a 401k plan. So, if you have a job
- 3:19with a retirement account, 401k plan,
- 3:22you sign up and you use that plan. Now,
- 3:25I can't just stop right there, right?
- 3:26Because Because it sounds so simple,
- 3:28like, okay, I'll use my plan. No, you
- 3:31have to know the formula to using your
- 3:33plan to be rich. We know, after 40 years
- 3:36now, exactly what you need to do if you
- 3:38want to be a millionaire. I can tell you
- 3:40how to become a millionaire starting
- 3:42your 20s so that you're done by the time
- 3:44you're in your mid-50s.
- 3:45You save a little 1 hour a day of your
- 3:47income is 12 and 1/2% of your gross
- 3:49revenue.
- 3:51I went on online today to look at what's
- 3:53the latest statistics with 401k
- 3:55millionaires.
- 3:56The new stats that just came out from
- 3:58Fidelity. There are 654,000
- 4:02people in Fidelity 401k plans that are
- 4:04now millionaires.
- 4:05>> What is a 401k?
- 4:07>> Okay.
- 4:07>> Because you know, we've got a lot of
- 4:08global listeners.
- 4:09>> Yeah, yeah.
- 4:09>> There's different types of 401k in every
- 4:12country.
- 4:12>> So in the US, a 401k plan is a
- 4:15retirement account. It is a retirement
- 4:17account that the company has set up.
- 4:19Right? And it allows you to put money
- 4:21away tax deductible. They call it
- 4:24pre-tax.
- 4:25In [snorts] most countries, you have a
- 4:27deductible retirement account. But it
- 4:29depends on the country, too, right? Like
- 4:31in Canada, it's a different type of plan
- 4:33than it is in Australia, than it is in
- 4:35Italy, than it is here in the UK.
- 4:37Almost every country though has some
- 4:40form of retirement account and has the
- 4:42ability to put money away automatically.
- 4:46Here's the problem.
- 4:47And I'll use the US specifically because
- 4:49it's where I do most of my work. In the
- 4:52US, those who have a 401k plan,
- 4:57the ones that are millionaires, what
- 4:58they did, here's the formula, the exact
- 5:00formula, they saved 14% of their gross
- 5:03income.
- 5:04And their employer had a small match on
- 5:06top of that.
- 5:08And then how they invested the money is
- 5:10key because it's not enough to just put
- 5:12money in these 401k plans, you have to
- 5:14be invested for growth. And growth means
- 5:17stocks. Right? So you have to have and
- 5:20and the actual specific allocation in
- 5:23these 401k millionaires I just talked
- 5:25about was about 70% stock and 30% bonds.
- 5:30Okay, now what are people doing that
- 5:33aren't achieving this? Well, the average
- 5:34American is saving maybe 3 or 4% maybe
- 5:375%
- 5:39if they have a 401k plan. People who
- 5:41don't have 401k plans in many cases
- 5:43aren't even doing this. They can, they
- 5:45can open up an IRA account, but in most
- 5:47cases they're not doing that.
- 5:49So the whole secret is
- 5:51not budgeting,
- 5:53not using discipline, having the money
- 5:55move right from your paycheck.
- 5:58Paycheck gets deposited automatically.
- 6:01And then it moves the day it hits your
- 6:02bank account automatically first for
- 6:05retirement. Then later we'll talk about
- 6:08building a security account, building a
- 6:09dream account.
- 6:11The key is that the money moves
- 6:14automatically.
- 6:16So in the United States now there's by
- 6:17the way 24 million millionaires now. So
- 6:20we've seen an increase of 8 million
- 6:22millionaires to 24 million millionaires
- 6:25in the US in just 20 years.
- 6:27How did they do that?
- 6:29There's two primary escalators to
- 6:31wealth.
- 6:32That is stocks
- 6:34and real estate. And if you're not in
- 6:36stocks and you're not in real estate,
- 6:38you are being left behind.
- 6:41>> When you say real estate, does that mean
- 6:43having a mortgage and have owning a
- 6:44house home?
- 6:45>> It's owning a home or owning REITs.
- 6:49>> REITs?
- 6:49>> REITs. Real estate equity investment
- 6:51trust. So that's another way to buy real
- 6:53estate without actually having to own
- 6:55the home, but you don't get the same
- 6:56level of returns.
- 6:58>> I mean this is this is one of the hot
- 7:00topics of conversation we've had on this
- 7:01show several times is many of my guests
- 7:03that are
- 7:04sort of financial advisers say that
- 7:06owning a home is a bad investment.
- 7:09I think from what I understood from the
- 7:10research and from reading your books
- 7:11that you feel differently
- 7:14about that.
- 7:14>> Yeah, I mean I I couldn't feel more
- 7:16differently. When we look at where is
- 7:19wealth created in the United States and
- 7:21also abroad, it's in two places. It's in
- 7:25home equity
- 7:26and it's in the stock market. So when
- 7:28you look at housing
- 7:30and you take someone who owns a a home
- 7:32and we'll talk about it. I know it's
- 7:33hard to buy homes right now.
- 7:35Uh but when you look at people who own a
- 7:36home versus people who rent,
- 7:39homeowners in America follow this for
- 7:41one second. Homeowners in America are
- 7:43worth 40 times more than renters. So,
- 7:48the average homeowner in America today
- 7:51is worth over $400,000.
- 7:54>> But, this doesn't establish causation. I
- 7:56That doesn't mean that buying a home
- 7:58made them rich, right?
- 7:59>> It actually does, and I'm going to go
- 8:01through that here. So, the average
- 8:02renter is worth $10,000.
- 8:05Right? So, why why does buying a home
- 8:08build wealth? And how much wealth in the
- 8:10United States is now in home equity?
- 8:12Wall Street Journal just ran an article
- 8:14on this, came out 2 days ago. There's
- 8:16$34 trillion now in home equity in
- 8:20America.
- 8:21This number has gone up 90% since before
- 8:25COVID.
- 8:27The other money
- 8:29is in retirement accounts, which is
- 8:3160-70% in stocks.
- 8:33There's $45 trillion now
- 8:36in retirement accounts. So, those two
- 8:38things alone equal $80 trillion.
- 8:42Right? Like, when you want to go like,
- 8:44"Where are the breadcrumbs? Where is
- 8:46wealth being created?"
- 8:48It's right in front of us. Now, the
- 8:49problem that we have in the United
- 8:52States, but also look, we're here in
- 8:53London right now. The problem we have in
- 8:55so many cities is that real estate keeps
- 8:57going higher and higher and higher.
- 9:00And people's incomes are not keeping
- 9:02pace with the cost of buying a home.
- 9:06So, when someone comes on a show like
- 9:07this and says, "Look, you don't have to
- 9:09buy a home.
- 9:10It's cost more to have a house than
- 9:12rent. You You know, I I watched one of
- 9:14the shows. I won't say who it was. It
- 9:15doesn't matter. They all said the same
- 9:17thing. Don't buy a house. You'll be
- 9:19trapped. You'll have to pay You'll have
- 9:22to pay real estate taxes, and you'll
- 9:24have to pay insurance, and things
- 9:26break." They go through all these
- 9:28expenses.
- 9:30And it makes it sound like, "Oh, yeah,
- 9:32if I rent, it'll be cheaper."
- 9:34No, who who do you think pays these
- 9:36expenses when you rent?
- 9:39You do. The landlord passes the cost of
- 9:43these expenses on to the renter
- 9:46ultimately. Why do they do this? Because
- 9:49people who buy real estate buy it for an
- 9:52investment. They buy it for an
- 9:54investment. They're not They're not
- 9:55subsidizing these costs.
- 9:58So, it's a hard thing to hear and
- 10:00especially when you're young. Like I
- 10:02have a a son who's 22. He's in Chicago.
- 10:05He's going to move to New York City.
- 10:07It'll be extremely hard for him to buy a
- 10:09place in New York when he starts working
- 10:11right away. Just will be. He probably
- 10:13won't for two or three years. A lot of
- 10:15young people when they move to major
- 10:17city, they can't afford to buy right
- 10:18away. When I came out of college, like
- 10:21you, I was in credit card debt.
- 10:23I had $12,000 in credit card debt. I
- 10:25remember opening up my bills and having
- 10:27the room spin
- 10:29and thinking, "I'm never getting out of
- 10:30credit card debt. How am I going to buy
- 10:32a house?"
- 10:33But I did. And in fact, I didn't buy a
- 10:36home when I was young by myself.
- 10:39I bought a home with a best friend. So,
- 10:41how did I get my first house? First
- 10:42house we bought was a quarter of a
- 10:43million dollars. We put 10% down.
- 10:47And my best friend and I, Andrew, we
- 10:49split that down payment. So, we each put
- 10:51$12,500 down. This is how we scraped it
- 10:53together. The house was complete
- 10:55fixer-upper.
- 10:57And we didn't have enough money to make
- 10:58the mortgage payments, so we rented out
- 11:00bedrooms. And we had friends rent
- 11:02bedrooms and that helped us cover our
- 11:04mortgage. We scraped it together and
- 11:06that's what a lot of people do when
- 11:09you're young.
- 11:10But if you don't get in the game of
- 11:12homeownership and you rent in your 20s
- 11:15and you rent in your 30s, you're going
- 11:17to turn around in your 40s and having
- 11:19not been built any net worth.
- 11:21When I wrote The Automatic Millionaire
- 11:2320 years ago,
- 11:25two things have happened since then.
- 11:28The stock market has gone up in 20 years
- 11:32600%
- 11:34>> Mhm. Okay, so if you had a
- 11:36$100,000, just that is gone to $600,000.
- 11:41If you bought a house, the house has
- 11:43gone up 400%.
- 11:46So when you read this book with all
- 11:47these there's a whole chapter of updated
- 11:49success stories.
- 11:51There are a lot of ordinary people that
- 11:53started saving 5, 10, 15, $20 a day,
- 11:57bought a starter house, and today
- 11:58they're millionaires.
- 11:59>> So
- 12:01am I not better off renting
- 12:03and
- 12:04investing in the stock market
- 12:07versus buying a house?
- 12:10Because obviously when I when I when I
- 12:11buy a house, I'm paying a premium on the
- 12:13house so that I can get a mortgage.
- 12:16>> I want to bust this myth because what
- 12:17happens is people come out and they go
- 12:19the stock market I can tell you right
- 12:20now the stock market over the last 20
- 12:22years has averaged over 10% annually.
- 12:24People go the returns are better in the
- 12:26stock market than in real estate.
- 12:28Yeah, but that's not apples to apple
- 12:30comparison. Why?
- 12:32When you buy a piece of real estate,
- 12:35when you buy a home
- 12:36people don't typically pay cash for
- 12:38their first house.
- 12:40They put down 20% and they borrow the
- 12:42other 80%. So you take like an example
- 12:46of a take a $200,000 home.
- 12:48$200,000 home you put 40 grand in.
- 12:51Home goes from 200,000 to 400,000
- 12:54in 10 years. This has happened to so
- 12:56many people in the last 5 years. Since
- 12:59COVID there are markets all over the US
- 13:01where housing prices have gone up 100 to
- 13:03200%. So a person buys a $200,000 home,
- 13:07they borrowed 80%, it's doubled, so
- 13:10they've made 200,000 in profit.
- 13:13They didn't put in 200,000, they put in
- 13:1540.
- 13:16So they got a five times return on their
- 13:18down payment. They go to sell their
- 13:21house
- 13:22they don't pay taxes on the gain.
- 13:25Because when you own a home, at least in
- 13:26the United States, you own a home for
- 13:27over two years if you're single, you get
- 13:30$250,000 in tax-free gains. If you're
- 13:33married, you get over half a million
- 13:34dollars in tax-free gains. You get tax
- 13:36deductions on the mortgages. So,
- 13:39what happens is people come here and
- 13:41they go, "You know what? You shouldn't
- 13:42be You shouldn't be tied down. You need
- 13:45to be flexible when you're young. You
- 13:47don't want to have the responsibility."
- 13:50And you should take the extra money and
- 13:52you should put it in a mutual fund. And
- 13:54you know what happens in the real world,
- 13:55Stephen? People don't do that.
- 13:57They rent an apartment that's nicer than
- 13:59what they can afford, and they spend all
- 14:01their money. And then they turn around
- 14:03in their mid-30s, and they have no
- 14:06equity cuz they haven't bought anything,
- 14:08and they also haven't saved money.
- 14:11It is an absolute freaking myth
- 14:15that people take this extra money that
- 14:17they could have used to buy a house, and
- 14:19they're going to put it in the stock
- 14:20market. They don't do that. And that's
- 14:23why, also by the way,
- 14:26corporate America got into the game of
- 14:28buying up real estate all over America,
- 14:32houses, and building apartments to rent
- 14:35to an entire generation, hoping [snorts]
- 14:39these people never buy.
- 14:43This like 10 days ago, Trump came out
- 14:45and basically said he wants the
- 14:47institutions out of buying up all the
- 14:49homes in America.
- 14:50Why does he want to do that? Because he
- 14:52cuz he recognizes
- 14:55how serious of a problem it is to have a
- 14:57generation of Americans who are renters.
- 15:01I'm telling you, when you look at
- 15:03average Americans aver- I'm talking
- 15:05about ordinary Americans, when you look
- 15:06at where their wealth is, it's in home
- 15:08equity, and it's in the stock market.
- 15:10And this is the last thing I'll say.
- 15:13Generational wealth is created,
- 15:17for better or worse, through home
- 15:18equity.
- 15:20So, when you look at what you you asked
- 15:22the question about causation.
- 15:25If a family doesn't buy a home,
- 15:28the likelihood the next generation can
- 15:30buy a home is very low.
- 15:33Because it's the when the someone dies,
- 15:36the money that is in the house, that
- 15:39home equity,
- 15:40is often what transfer transfers to the
- 15:43next generation, helps the next
- 15:44generation buy a house.
- 15:46>> I was looking at some stats here cuz I
- 15:47want to what I want I I wish I could say
- 15:50sit down all of the guests that have
- 15:51been on my show that have had a
- 15:52difference of opinion and if said that
- 15:54buying a house is a bad investment.
- 15:55>> be a really interesting conversation,
- 15:56right?
- 15:57>> be a really interesting conversation.
- 15:58What I've done as an alternative to that
- 16:00approach is I've pulled up what they've
- 16:02said. And I'm going to give you some of
- 16:03the things they've said just so so you
- 16:05can rebuttal them um and have your say
- 16:07on them. One of the things that they
- 16:09often say is that long-term real
- 16:11inflation-adjusted home price
- 16:13appreciation in the US is about 1%
- 16:15annually. And one of my guests cited
- 16:18Robert Shiller as the evidence of that.
- 16:20After maintenance,
- 16:22and which usually equals 1 to 2%, and
- 16:24property taxes, which equals about 1%,
- 16:25insurance and transaction costs, the net
- 16:28real returns approach roughly zero on
- 16:30average.
- 16:31So, when you say housing is a great
- 16:33investment, are you referencing the
- 16:34gross appreciation, which is the
- 16:36the total appreciation, or the net
- 16:38returns after taxes, maintenance,
- 16:39insurance, and selling costs?
- 16:41>> So, when you dig into these kind of
- 16:43numbers like this,
- 16:45what they are is they're numbers, but
- 16:47they're not real world. Right? So, like
- 16:49when you when you talk to someone who
- 16:50owns a home today and they've owned it
- 16:52for 20 years,
- 16:53and you ask them,
- 16:55"How much of your net worth is now in
- 16:57the equity in your house?"
- 17:00Over 50% of their net worth is in their
- 17:02house.
- 17:03You will see people on your YouTube
- 17:05channel that literally, if you read the
- 17:07comments, and I'm sure you do,
- 17:08>> I do, yeah.
- 17:09>> where people say, "It's not true. There
- 17:11was I read a comment yesterday on your
- 17:13YouTube page. All I know is
- 17:16I bought a house and it's gone up in
- 17:18value three and a half times and the
- 17:21rent when I bought the house was $1,200
- 17:23and the rent today to buy that if I had
- 17:25that house
- 17:26if I was renting it would be $4,000.
- 17:29So, the thing is you have to understand
- 17:32is that rents always go up, Stephen.
- 17:35Like I live in New York City for 18
- 17:38years.
- 17:40When I moved in New York City in 2001
- 17:44a really nice apartment
- 17:47a nice apartment was like $6,000 a
- 17:49month.
- 17:50When I left New York, that same
- 17:52apartment was $25,000 a month.
- 17:56Follow the Follow the insanity of that
- 17:58math. Now, that apartment went from
- 18:00being
- 18:02a $2 million apartment to a $5 million
- 18:04apartment. So, I could have been
- 18:06[clears throat] renting it, but in my
- 18:08case I owned it
- 18:09and it went up in value $3 million.
- 18:12So, I have friends who have been renting
- 18:14in New York for 20 years. They have
- 18:16built no net worth. I have no vested
- 18:18interest in this conversation, meaning I
- 18:20don't sell real estate. I'm not a real
- 18:22estate agent. I'm not selling real
- 18:25estate.
- 18:26I've just seen in the real world how
- 18:28people have built wealth. The The The
- 18:30The McIntyres in this book, The
- 18:32Automatic Millionaire, when they came
- 18:34into my office and they were worth $1.8
- 18:36million
- 18:37and he was 52 and able to retire having
- 18:41earned an average of $40,000 a year
- 18:44all their money wasn't in the stock
- 18:46market. They had bought a home in San
- 18:48Leandro, California. What he What they
- 18:50called a middle-class neighborhood.
- 18:53Their home at the time was worth about
- 18:54$300,000.
- 18:56They had paid their mortgage off and
- 18:58they had bought one more house on their
- 19:00street. They rented the first house.
- 19:03They bought a second house on their
- 19:04street. They paid that mortgage off.
- 19:07And so, they owned two homes free and
- 19:08clear.
- 19:09One house they got income from. One
- 19:11house they lived in with no debt, and
- 19:13then they had saved money in their 401k
- 19:15plan.
- 19:16>> So, if I was uh a young person or might
- 19:19be a young person, a middle-aged and
- 19:20older person
- 19:21who took my down payment that I was
- 19:23going to pay into the house, if let's
- 19:24say it was say my down payment was
- 19:26$20,000, and I put that into the S&P 500
- 19:29instead,
- 19:30over the long run, won't that grow
- 19:32larger than the total home equity
- 19:35potentially?
- 19:36>> Here's why the index fund theory doesn't
- 19:39work.
- 19:41You can't live inside an index fund.
- 19:45You [snorts] can't live inside a mutual
- 19:46fund. You have to live somewhere as long
- 19:48as you're alive. Here's what people
- 19:50should do.
- 19:52Take a look at what you're paying in
- 19:54rent.
- 19:56Now, ask yourself a question.
- 19:59If I'm paying 5,000 a month in rent,
- 20:02which lots of people are, right? Do you
- 20:04know people paying 5,000 a month in
- 20:05rent?
- 20:06>> Yes.
- 20:06>> Okay. So, they're paying 60,000 a year.
- 20:08Let's take that number.
- 20:09>> Yeah.
- 20:10>> So, over 10 years it has been $600,000
- 20:13in rent.
- 20:14>> Yeah.
- 20:15>> If the rent doesn't go up.
- 20:16>> Yeah.
- 20:17>> In 20 years they're going to spend 1.2
- 20:19million in rent
- 20:21if the rent doesn't go up.
- 20:23In 30 years they will have spent
- 20:25$2 million in rent if the rent doesn't
- 20:28go up. But, the rent does go up.
- 20:30So, the question you just have to ask
- 20:32yourself is am I going to take all this
- 20:33money that I'm spending on rent and
- 20:35never build anything?
- 20:38And if you really believe that renting
- 20:41is better than owning,
- 20:42then you should still consider the idea
- 20:44of buying something then that somebody
- 20:46else rents.
- 20:47Cuz I promise you somebody's getting
- 20:49rich in the transaction.
- 20:51If you're the renter, you're not the one
- 20:53who's getting rich in the transaction of
- 20:55renting.
- 20:56It is a great short-term solution
- 20:58renting.
- 20:59>> [snorts]
- 20:59>> It is not a great term long-term wealth
- 21:01building solution.
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