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  1. 0:02What's up everybody?
  2. 0:05[laughter]
  3. 0:06Man, y'all some morning people. Man, I'm
  4. 0:09on reserve energy. I'm letting you guys
  5. 0:11know right now. So, pray for me. All
  6. 0:12right. My voice is a little raspy. I
  7. 0:16might sound like a little deep priest,
  8. 0:18you know, but I need y'all with me. I
  9. 0:20need y'all to encourage me. Okay. Um,
  10. 0:22we're going to be going through,
  11. 0:23obviously, we're going to be going
  12. 0:24through the Trinity in the Old
  13. 0:27Testament. And a lot of us are used to
  14. 0:29the New Testament. We usually argue the
  15. 0:31deity of Christ in the Gospels, in
  16. 0:35Paul's letters, that blasphemer. Oh,
  17. 0:38Paul. You know,
  18. 0:40why is it always Paul? Everybody got to
  19. 0:42blame Paul. We're not going to use Paul
  20. 0:44today. Okay? Is that cool? We're not
  21. 0:47We're not going to use Paul today. All
  22. 0:48right? I'm going to talk to you guys. I
  23. 0:49need y'all to talk back to me. I like us
  24. 0:51to be interactive. It's going to be
  25. 0:53conversational. Okay? We're friends
  26. 0:55here. We're brothers and sisters, right?
  27. 0:57Okay. So, yeah, we're not going to use
  28. 0:59Paul. We're not We're not going to use
  29. 1:01John. We We really love John. John
  30. 1:03really talk about the deity of Christ,
  31. 1:05but you know, we're not going to use
  32. 1:06John. We might use him once. Once.
  33. 1:08That's it. If I use them twice, kick me
  34. 1:10off the stage. Okay. All right. But
  35. 1:12once, I promise. John one time. Um, not
  36. 1:16Matthew, not Luke, not Mark, not the
  37. 1:19vers. We're going to stick to the Old
  38. 1:22Testament because a lot of the
  39. 1:23accusation is that the Trinity is
  40. 1:25something new. The trinity is something
  41. 1:28pagan. The trinity is something that
  42. 1:30Paul made up when he timeraveled 300
  43. 1:32years later with Constantine at the
  44. 1:34council of Nika. And then they got
  45. 1:36together and came up with this trinity
  46. 1:38doctrine. You guys heard this before.
  47. 1:40>> Yeah. Right. Okay. Okay. Cool. So, we
  48. 1:43know how Paul timeraveled. All right.
  49. 1:46>> [clears throat]
  50. 1:46>> So, with this being said, we're going to
  51. 1:49demonstrate that the Trinity is fluent
  52. 1:54throughout the Old Testament. As a
  53. 1:57matter of fact, ladies and gentlemen,
  54. 1:58I'm going to barely leave Genesis.
  55. 2:02We're going to demonstrate the trinity
  56. 2:04in the book of Genesis,
  57. 2:07Exodus, and so on, but mainly in Genesis
  58. 2:10because God gives us a hint of his
  59. 2:12plurality within his uh singularity
  60. 2:16right in the beginning. And this is
  61. 2:18important. Obviously, we already know we
  62. 2:21got that God created the heavens and the
  63. 2:23earth, right? in verse two of Genesis
  64. 2:26chapter 1 that the spirit of God was
  65. 2:29hovering over the waters. Now, when we
  66. 2:32look at the Old Testament, this doesn't
  67. 2:34really seem at face value something that
  68. 2:38deep. We have God who created the
  69. 2:39heavens and the earth. Okay, yeah,
  70. 2:40that's simple, right? He created the
  71. 2:42heavens and the earth. The spirit of God
  72. 2:44hovered over the face of the of the
  73. 2:47waters, over the depths. Okay, cool. But
  74. 2:49why why is that significant? What what
  75. 2:52makes that significant? Well, when we
  76. 2:55look throughout the Old Testament, we
  77. 2:57see that creation is attributed not just
  78. 3:01to the father, but also to the word of
  79. 3:04the father and also to the spirit of the
  80. 3:07father, the spirit of God. So, for
  81. 3:09example, we have Psalm 104. You guys
  82. 3:12taking notes?
  83. 3:13>> Cuz we there's only one thing we do
  84. 3:15around here, ladies and gentlemen. What
  85. 3:16is that?
  86. 3:17>> We just read. We're going to do a lot of
  87. 3:19reading, y'all. All right. All right, I
  88. 3:20don't got no slides, but we got we got
  89. 3:23some we got some scriptures. So, make
  90. 3:24sure you guys take notes because I want
  91. 3:26you guys to use this in your ministry.
  92. 3:29Use this in your dialogues with other
  93. 3:31people who challenge the Trinity, who
  94. 3:33challenge your belief. Okay. Psalm 104,
  95. 3:37[clears throat]
  96. 3:38starting at verse 29, we're going to do
  97. 3:4029 and 30. Psalm 104, 29 and 30. It says
  98. 3:43this, "You hide your face and they are
  99. 3:47dismayed. You take away their spirit,
  100. 3:51they they breathe their last and they
  101. 3:54return to dust.
  102. 3:56Verse 30, here it is. And you send forth
  103. 3:59your spirit and they are created.
  104. 4:04You renew the face of the ground. So
  105. 4:07notice this. It's by the spirit of God
  106. 4:11that man is created. And it's by the
  107. 4:14spirit of God that the ground is
  108. 4:16renewed. Remember the spirit hovering
  109. 4:18over the waters. The spirit hovering
  110. 4:20over the waters is a euphemism for the
  111. 4:23spirit actively watching over creation.
  112. 4:26Like a eagle hovers over the eggs or
  113. 4:29hovers over the ground hunting for food.
  114. 4:31The spirit of God is hovering over the
  115. 4:33waters. The spirit of God is renewing
  116. 4:36the ground. He sends his spirit and they
  117. 4:39are created. That's one. Here we go
  118. 4:43again. We got Job chapter 33. Mark this
  119. 4:47down ladies and gents.
  120. 4:49Job chapter 33
  121. 4:52verse number four. This is what Job
  122. 4:55says.
  123. 4:57It says, "The spirit of God has made me
  124. 5:02and the breath of the Almighty gives me
  125. 5:04life."
  126. 5:07Notice in this pattern, the spirit of
  127. 5:10God, the Holy Spirit is responsible for
  128. 5:14creation.
  129. 5:16Yet he is distinct from the father. He's
  130. 5:20the spirit of God.
  131. 5:23Distinct from God at the same time, yet
  132. 5:26one in essence with him. How is it that
  133. 5:29we explain this? How is it that we can
  134. 5:33get around this?
  135. 5:35So we have the spirit who creates. It's
  136. 5:38the word who creates. It's the father
  137. 5:40who creates. But yet the scripture is
  138. 5:43very clear ladies and gentlemen that
  139. 5:45it's one God who created all things.
  140. 5:48Deuteronomy chapter 6 vers4. Muslims
  141. 5:50quote this all the time. Here O Israel,
  142. 5:52the Lord our God, the Lord is one.
  143. 5:55Correct? There's only one God,
  144. 5:59right?
  145. 6:00There's only one God, one divine
  146. 6:03essence, one divine being. Yet, we see
  147. 6:06that it's the spirit of God who has
  148. 6:08created us. It's the spirit of God who
  149. 6:10renews the ground. And it's by his word
  150. 6:13that we are created. Now, this is the
  151. 6:15only time I'm going to use John. Y'all
  152. 6:17know where I'm going. John chapter 1
  153. 6:19verse one. It's the only time I said it.
  154. 6:21If I use John after this, kick me off
  155. 6:23the stage. I'll get out of here. All
  156. 6:24right. I need to get some sleep anyway.
  157. 6:26All right.
  158. 6:28John what? In the mining.
  159. 6:34Wait. Um, sorry.
  160. 6:37In the beginning.
  161. 6:41Okay, let me just read.
  162. 6:43In the be got it. In the beginning,
  163. 6:46there it is. In the beginning was the
  164. 6:48word and the word was with God and the
  165. 6:52word was God. So we see that the word is
  166. 6:56a distinct person who also possesses the
  167. 6:58divine essence. He's a distinct person
  168. 7:00from the other one who is also God. It
  169. 7:02says that he was in the beginning with
  170. 7:04God all things. Say all things, ladies
  171. 7:07and gentlemen.
  172. 7:09>> Somehow this is a concept that is really
  173. 7:11difficult for people to get. Some people
  174. 7:13don't believe that all things means all
  175. 7:15things. Can you guys believe that? You
  176. 7:17go to a Muslim or Jehovah's Witnesses,
  177. 7:19you say all things, they say, "Yeah, all
  178. 7:20other things."
  179. 7:23I mean it don't it don't it don't say
  180. 7:25that though [laughter] that's not there
  181. 7:27says all things were created through him
  182. 7:31and watch this just to hey John was
  183. 7:33making sure he was clear about this
  184. 7:35there's no confusion he goes on to say
  185. 7:38and without him was not anything made
  186. 7:42that has been made pretty clear right am
  187. 7:46I am I tripping that's pretty that's
  188. 7:49that's an explicit verse is it not an
  189. 7:52unequivocal statement,
  190. 7:56right? That the word of God created all
  191. 7:59things and yet is distinct from the God
  192. 8:02that he's with, the father. And we see
  193. 8:04later on, obviously, the word became
  194. 8:06flesh. We beheld his glory as the only
  195. 8:08begotten son of the father, full of
  196. 8:10grace and truth. So, we have the spirit
  197. 8:12who creates. We have the son who
  198. 8:14creates. We have the uh the father who
  199. 8:17creates which is a no-brainer but just
  200. 8:19to give you a verse Deuteronomy 32:6 it
  201. 8:23says it says is this how you repay
  202. 8:27Yahweh is he not your father who created
  203. 8:31you
  204. 8:33father that's one
  205. 8:35spirit that's two
  206. 8:38word that's three sounds like the
  207. 8:40trinity doesn't it
  208. 8:43sounds like the trinity is right there
  209. 8:45in the scripture. It's not something we
  210. 8:47have to philosophize. It's not something
  211. 8:49we have to make up. It's not something
  212. 8:51we have to read into the text. The text
  213. 8:53is blatantly clear that there are three
  214. 8:56that are identified as the creator. As a
  215. 8:59matter of fact, if this was the case,
  216. 9:01ladies and gentlemen, I think that it
  217. 9:04would be appropriate if every now and
  218. 9:08then we might see God referred to as the
  219. 9:12creators,
  220. 9:14the makers, right? If he's triune, we
  221. 9:19might we might see this type of
  222. 9:20language. Well, [laughter]
  223. 9:23bubble bursting. We actually do. It's
  224. 9:25right here in Job. In Job, ladies and
  225. 9:28gentlemen, in Job 35:10,
  226. 9:31I want you guys to write this one down.
  227. 9:34Job 35:10, if God is triune, we should
  228. 9:38expect to see some plural language, some
  229. 9:42plural adjectives, some plural nouns
  230. 9:45when it when it comes to God, some
  231. 9:47plural verbs. Right now, this is what it
  232. 9:50says. Now, in most English translations,
  233. 9:52it won't catch it. You got to get to the
  234. 9:54Hebrew. Okay? Because this is what it
  235. 9:57says. It says, "But none says, "Where is
  236. 10:01God, my makers?"
  237. 10:04In the Hebrew, the word is oay.
  238. 10:07Everybody say, "O."
  239. 10:12>> It means my makers plural. The singular
  240. 10:17of this word is osa. Say osa.
  241. 10:20>> Osa. Really? Hey, that sounds good, man.
  242. 10:22Kind of, you know. All right. So it's oh
  243. 10:25say where no one asks no one says where
  244. 10:29is God my makers who gives songs in the
  245. 10:34night. So if God is triune this is
  246. 10:37exactly what I expect to see. I expect
  247. 10:41to see God refer referred to in the
  248. 10:44plural when it comes to him being the
  249. 10:45creator but still being singular in his
  250. 10:50essence. This sounds like the trinity
  251. 10:52does it not? Yes,
  252. 10:54>> this this this looks just like the
  253. 10:55Trinity. Am I Are we on the same page
  254. 10:57here, y'all? So, here it is. We have Ge
  255. 11:01uh that God is referred to as the
  256. 11:04makers. Watch this. Here's another one.
  257. 11:07Psalm 149:2.
  258. 11:10Psalm 149 verse two.
  259. 11:15It says, "Let Israel be glad in his
  260. 11:19makers."
  261. 11:21O say. There it is again. Remember this
  262. 11:24is the plural form of Osa. O say our
  263. 11:28makers. It says let the children of Zion
  264. 11:31rejoice in their king.
  265. 11:33Here we have it again. God referred to
  266. 11:36in the plurality of creators
  267. 11:40trinity one God.
  268. 11:44A lot of times, like I said, you got to
  269. 11:46check with the Hebrew. If you have uh
  270. 11:48you know, Bible interlinear, if you have
  271. 11:49logos, um use these use these uh
  272. 11:53devices, use these uh platforms to help
  273. 11:56you look at the interlinear because that
  274. 11:58will help you see that uh you know what
  275. 12:00the English doesn't really catch out.
  276. 12:02Okay. Now,
  277. 12:05like I said, we're going to be using a
  278. 12:06lot of Genesis because there's this
  279. 12:09particular figure that a lot of people
  280. 12:11are confused about, especially the Jews,
  281. 12:13rabbitic Jews. Rebbitic Jews don't know
  282. 12:15how to deal with this guy.
  283. 12:18Anybody guess who I'm talking about?
  284. 12:21Huh?
  285. 12:22>> Say it with your chest.
  286. 12:24>> There we go. The angel of the Lord,
  287. 12:27baby. This is my favorite guy in the Old
  288. 12:30Testament. Not Moses, not Jacob, the
  289. 12:34angel of the Lord. Why? Because he
  290. 12:37speaks
  291. 12:39like he he just reminds me of somebody,
  292. 12:41man. There's There's somebody the angel
  293. 12:43of the Lord reminds me of the way that
  294. 12:44he he operates, the way that he speaks.
  295. 12:46He speaks as a messenger sent from the
  296. 12:49father, humbles himself to the father,
  297. 12:52but also speaks not like saying here's
  298. 12:55what the father says, here's what the
  299. 12:56lord says, but he will come to Moses.
  300. 12:59He'll come to Abraham. He'll come to to
  301. 13:02Hagar. [clears throat] He'll come to
  302. 13:03Jacob and said, "I made this covenant
  303. 13:05with you." I'm like, who does he think
  304. 13:08he is?
  305. 13:10This sounds familiar because this is how
  306. 13:12this is how our Lord Jesus speaks. Our
  307. 13:15Lord Jesus, he comes and he says, "You
  308. 13:17have heard it say, you have heard it
  309. 13:19say, you have heard it say, you have
  310. 13:22read, but I say to you, I say, here's my
  311. 13:28command." They It's just kind of like
  312. 13:31the same kind of guy, isn't it? It's a
  313. 13:34little It's a little It's a little
  314. 13:35interesting, but let's see. You know, I
  315. 13:37might just be talking. Let's just see.
  316. 13:39Genesis chapter 28.
  317. 13:41this angel of the Lord figure. Genesis
  318. 13:44chapter 28
  319. 13:46starting in verse 10. Jacob is on the
  320. 13:48run. He just stole Esau's birthright.
  321. 13:53That that conniving Jacob. You know, see
  322. 13:55this is how you know the Bible's
  323. 13:56corrupted. Cuz how could how could God
  324. 13:58pick Jacob? How how could God pick Jacob
  325. 14:01to be his messenger and to to continue
  326. 14:04his covenant? It ain't this doesn't this
  327. 14:06show the Bible got corrupted? No. Y'all
  328. 14:08silent. Christians, y'all debunked.
  329. 14:10Christians exposed.
  330. 14:12Y'all exposed, man. Nah, man. You know
  331. 14:16I'm a secret mumon.
  332. 14:19Genesis chapter 28, starting at verse
  333. 14:2110, it says, "Then Jacob departed
  334. 14:25Beersa and went toward Haram." I'm going
  335. 14:27to skip down to where he starts having
  336. 14:29the dream. Verse 12, "Then he had a
  337. 14:32dream, and behold, a ladder stood on the
  338. 14:36earth with its top touching heaven.
  339. 14:40And behold, the angels of God were
  340. 14:43ascending and descending on it. And
  341. 14:45behold, watch what it says. Yahweh stood
  342. 14:50at the top.
  343. 14:52Yahweh's there. He's seeing Yahweh
  344. 14:54standing at the top of the staircase.
  345. 14:57The angels traveling to and fro. Yahweh
  346. 15:00at the front. And this is what he says.
  347. 15:02[clears throat]
  348. 15:04Yahweh stood above it and said, "I am
  349. 15:06Yahweh." Notice it's very clear verse. I
  350. 15:09am Yahweh, the God of your father
  351. 15:11Abraham, and the God of Isaac. The land
  352. 15:14on which you lie, I will give it to you
  353. 15:17and to your seed. And your seed will
  354. 15:21also be like the dust of the earth, and
  355. 15:23you will spread out to the west and to
  356. 15:26the east, to the north, to the south,
  357. 15:28and in you and in your seed all the
  358. 15:32families of the earth shall be blessed.
  359. 15:37Notice this, guys. Just as a little
  360. 15:38sidebar, I know Vocab is here. He deals
  361. 15:40with a lot of Hebrew Israelites. Notice
  362. 15:42how Hey, notice how God says here in the
  363. 15:46beginning when he's making the covenant
  364. 15:48that it's in you that all the families
  365. 15:50of the earth will be blessed. He's not
  366. 15:53just thinking of Israel. He's not just
  367. 15:54thinking of one family, but every family
  368. 15:58on the planet has the opportunity of
  369. 16:00being blessed through the one seed of
  370. 16:02Jacob, through the Messiah. That's how
  371. 16:05good our God is. This is the gospel
  372. 16:07message right now. Watch this. This is
  373. 16:09important. Then Jacob awoke.
  374. 16:12He awoke and then he this is what he
  375. 16:14does. He makes a vow. He says, "Surely
  376. 16:17Yahweh is in this place and I did not
  377. 16:19know it." How many times have we been in
  378. 16:22a place in our lives where we where God
  379. 16:24was near and we didn't even recognize
  380. 16:26him? Where God was close by and we
  381. 16:28couldn't even we couldn't feel it. We
  382. 16:30didn't know. But once we get that that
  383. 16:32that light bulb, it hits. There's a new
  384. 16:35fire that ignites in us. This is how God
  385. 16:37reveals himself to his people. So he
  386. 16:39says, "I didn't know it." And he was
  387. 16:42afraid and said, "How fearsome is this
  388. 16:44place? This is none other than the house
  389. 16:47of God, and this is the gate of heaven."
  390. 16:50So Jacob rose up early in the morning,
  391. 16:53took a stone, put it under that that he
  392. 16:56put on his head, set it up as a pillar,
  393. 16:59and poured oil on top of it. He anointed
  394. 17:01anointed it. And he called the name of
  395. 17:04the place Bethl, which means house of
  396. 17:06God. Then Jacob made a vow, saying, "If
  397. 17:10God will be with me and will keep me on
  398. 17:13this journey on which I am going, and
  399. 17:16will give me food to eat, garments to
  400. 17:18wear, and I return to my father's house
  401. 17:21in in peace, then Yahweh will be my
  402. 17:24God." Now guys, I want you guys to pay
  403. 17:26attention. That vow was important. Who
  404. 17:29is he making the vow to? Yahweh God. Is
  405. 17:31that correct? And he says, "If Yahweh
  406. 17:34will keep me, right, keep me safe, if
  407. 17:36he'll clothe me, feed me, give me drink,
  408. 17:39keep me in peace, let me return home
  409. 17:41safely, if he keeps me on my journey,
  410. 17:44Yahweh will be my God." That's who he's
  411. 17:46making his vow to. Is that correct?
  412. 17:48>> We all on the same page.
  413. 17:50>> All right. Now, let's travel through the
  414. 17:52Bible with me. Genesis 31. This is 28.
  415. 17:55Genesis 31.
  416. 17:58Genesis 31, starting at verse 11.
  417. 18:02This is good Bible, is it not? This is
  418. 18:05good Bible. I told you I ain't got no
  419. 18:06slides for y'all, but I got scripture.
  420. 18:08All right.
  421. 18:10Genesis chapter 31, starting at verse
  422. 18:1211.
  423. 18:15It says, "Then the angel of God
  424. 18:18said to me in a dream,
  425. 18:22Jacob,
  426. 18:23and I said, here I am." He said, "Lift
  427. 18:26up now your eyes and see that all the
  428. 18:30male goats which has been which I'm
  429. 18:32sorry, which are mating and striped,
  430. 18:34speckled and modeled, for I have seen
  431. 18:38all that Laban has been doing to you."
  432. 18:43Now, notice how he's speaking.
  433. 18:45He doesn't say, "For God has seen what
  434. 18:48has been happening to you." He doesn't
  435. 18:50say, "For thus says the Lord, he sees
  436. 18:53you in your trouble, Jacob." He says,"I
  437. 18:55have seen you. I have seen all that
  438. 18:58Laban has been doing to you." Now, watch
  439. 19:01what he caps this off as. He says, verse
  440. 19:0313, "I am the God of Bethl,
  441. 19:09where you anointed a pillar, where you
  442. 19:12made a vow to me.
  443. 19:16Now arise, leave this land, and return
  444. 19:20to the land of your kin." What did Jacob
  445. 19:23pray? Jacob prayed, "If he keeps me in
  446. 19:26this journey, helps me return to my
  447. 19:29father's house in peace, gives me food
  448. 19:31to drink, clothes, then Yahweh will be
  449. 19:34my God." The angel of the Lord says,
  450. 19:36"That was me who you made a vow to. I'm
  451. 19:39the God of Bethl. That was my house.
  452. 19:42That was me standing at the top of this
  453. 19:44of the of the staircase.
  454. 19:47That was me in front of all the angels
  455. 19:49that made a covenant with you that day.
  456. 19:51It was me."
  457. 19:53Who does this angel think he is? He
  458. 19:54clearly says he's God. Unequivocally.
  459. 19:57Unambiguously.
  460. 19:59It's an unequivocal statement.
  461. 20:03It is an unambiguous verse where the
  462. 20:07angel of the Lord, peace and blessings
  463. 20:09be from him, says, "I am God."
  464. 20:14Very clear. Right? Now, here's what's
  465. 20:17interesting, guys. Notice now I'm ask
  466. 20:20you guys this. Maybe you guys know the
  467. 20:21answer to this. Who is the only one who
  468. 20:25is able to receive sacrifices and
  469. 20:28worship?
  470. 20:31Man, not not a lot of you guys know
  471. 20:33this. Just a few of you. Say it with
  472. 20:36your chest.
  473. 20:37>> Yahweh. God Almighty. Is that correct?
  474. 20:41>> So only God Yahweh Almighty can receive
  475. 20:43sacrifices, can have an altar built to
  476. 20:46him and in in terms of worship. Is that
  477. 20:49correct? Now notice this because we're
  478. 20:51not just talking about bowing down and
  479. 20:53honoring. We're not just talking about
  480. 20:56uh you know proaneo where you just you
  481. 20:58know you just bow down. Jehovah's
  482. 20:59Witnesses will use this against you.
  483. 21:01Muslims will use this against you. Oh
  484. 21:02yeah well the kings will bow down to you
  485. 21:04know uh you know other people receive
  486. 21:06this type of honor. But there's a
  487. 21:08specific type of worship that only God
  488. 21:10receives. That's altar sacrifices,
  489. 21:15altar building and worship in that way.
  490. 21:18You with me? Let's travel through the
  491. 21:20Bible. Genesis 35,
  492. 21:24very first verse.
  493. 21:28Very first verse. Genesis chapter 35.
  494. 21:33Watch this guys.
  495. 21:36It says
  496. 21:38this. Now, this is right before Jacob is
  497. 21:39about to leave to Bethl like he said he
  498. 21:42would. It says, "Then God said to Jacob,
  499. 21:46arise,
  500. 21:48go up to Bethl and live there, and make
  501. 21:53an altar there
  502. 21:55to God, who appeared to you when you
  503. 21:58fled from your brother, Esau."
  504. 22:01Did y'all catch that?
  505. 22:02>> Yes.
  506. 22:04>> God is telling Jacob to build an altar
  507. 22:08to God that met him in Bethl.
  508. 22:12Why would God be appealing to another
  509. 22:15one who is also God and telling him to
  510. 22:18worship someone else
  511. 22:21unless this other person who is also God
  512. 22:25is also Yahweh worthy of worship the
  513. 22:27most high.
  514. 22:29Did y'all catch that? This isn't just
  515. 22:31another prophet or an angel saying,
  516. 22:33"Hey, this person is worthy of worship."
  517. 22:35This is God himself deeming that the
  518. 22:38angel of the Lord is God Almighty worthy
  519. 22:41of worship. Sound familiar? In Hebrews
  520. 22:44chapter 1 vers8, it says, "But of the
  521. 22:47Son, the Father says, "Your throne, oh
  522. 22:49God, is forever and ever. The scepter of
  523. 22:54uprightness is the scepter of your
  524. 22:55kingdom."
  525. 22:57So in the Old Testament we have God
  526. 22:59calling God God, the father calling the
  527. 23:02son God. And in the New Testament we
  528. 23:04have the father calling the son God.
  529. 23:07Mutual glorification.
  530. 23:09The father honors and glorifies the son
  531. 23:12and the son honors and glorifies the
  532. 23:14father in both the old and the new
  533. 23:17testament.
  534. 23:18Nothing changes guys.
  535. 23:21Nothing changes. The same thing we see
  536. 23:24in the new is what we saw in the old.
  537. 23:28All we got to do is just read.
  538. 23:31That's it. That's all we got to do is
  539. 23:34just read the text.
  540. 23:37And so this is why this is special. So
  541. 23:38if you want to present this, if you want
  542. 23:40to present this practically because
  543. 23:41having this knowledge is good, but
  544. 23:44presenting it is something else. You see
  545. 23:46how I presented it to you guys? How I
  546. 23:48delivered it to y'all? I asked you a
  547. 23:51question. Who is the only one that can
  548. 23:53receive altar worship? Have an altar
  549. 23:56built for them in worship? The obvious
  550. 24:00answer is Yahweh God Almighty.
  551. 24:03That's how you start it off. Then you
  552. 24:05show them Genesis 35:1.
  553. 24:08Then you show them that God appeals to
  554. 24:12the other, the angel of the Lord, and
  555. 24:14says, "Go build an altar for him where
  556. 24:18you met the God of Bethl."
  557. 24:20Amen. Now, here it is again. Remember
  558. 24:24what was uh Jacob asking for? Just a few
  559. 24:26things. What was he asking for in his
  560. 24:28vow? Protection. Yes. What's another
  561. 24:31one?
  562. 24:31>> Provision.
  563. 24:32>> Provisions.
  564. 24:36>> Shelter. That's right. Right. He's
  565. 24:39asking all these things on this journey.
  566. 24:42Provisions, shelter,
  567. 24:44uh uh protection,
  568. 24:47food, drink. Now, to cap it off, this is
  569. 24:51Jacob at the end of his life. Genesis
  570. 24:5448. Remember I told y'all we barely
  571. 24:56leave in Genesis, but we're at the end
  572. 24:58of it. Genesis 48, guys.
  573. 25:03Starting at verse 15 and 16.
  574. 25:06Now, here
  575. 25:08what's happening in context is Jacob
  576. 25:12finally met up with Joseph in Egypt.
  577. 25:15And so he meets his grandchildren
  578. 25:19and he's going to pray over his
  579. 25:20grandchildren that they be blessed and
  580. 25:23pray for Joseph and the rest of his sons
  581. 25:25uh the sons of Israel.
  582. 25:28And so here we are Genesis 48
  583. 25:32verse1 15. Watch what he says.
  584. 25:35And he blessed Joseph and said,
  585. 25:39"May the God
  586. 25:41before whom my fathers Abraham and Isaac
  587. 25:43walked, the God who has been my shepherd
  588. 25:49throughout my life
  589. 25:52to this day. to this day.
  590. 25:56The angel
  591. 25:59who has redeemed me from evil,
  592. 26:02bless these boys,
  593. 26:05and may my name live on in them, and the
  594. 26:09names of my fathers Abraham and Isaac,
  595. 26:12and may they grow into a multitude in
  596. 26:16the midst of the earth. Who's he praying
  597. 26:18to?
  598. 26:20That's true. He is praying to Yahweh.
  599. 26:22Now, if we were being specific, which
  600. 26:24person?
  601. 26:25>> The angel.
  602. 26:28Why in the world is a patriarch of the
  603. 26:32faith? Why in the world is a prophet of
  604. 26:36God, a messenger of God, praying to an
  605. 26:40angel?
  606. 26:42Why is he referring to the angel as the
  607. 26:45God who has kept him all his ways to
  608. 26:47this day? He says,
  609. 26:50"Why is it that this prophet of God,
  610. 26:52this patriarch is praying to the angel
  611. 26:55to make a multitude as if this angel can
  612. 26:58create, as if this angel can produce
  613. 27:02life and could command the seed of of
  614. 27:05Abraham and Isaac and Jacob and Israel
  615. 27:09as if this angel is Yahweh, God of
  616. 27:13Bethl, that met him in that dream and
  617. 27:15said, "If you keep my commands, if you
  618. 27:17stick to my covenant. I will keep you
  619. 27:19all the days of your life. Jacob knew
  620. 27:22who his God was and Jacob was not a
  621. 27:26Unitarian.
  622. 27:29[laughter]
  623. 27:31Sorry JWs.
  624. 27:34Sorry Mumoon. Sorry Muslims. Jacob, your
  625. 27:37beloved prophet was not a Unitarian.
  626. 27:41[laughter]
  627. 27:42That man was a trinitarian y'all.
  628. 27:45That man was a trinitarian.
  629. 27:47So Jacob offers his prayer, his
  630. 27:51thanksgiving. He builds an altar in
  631. 27:54worship
  632. 27:55to the angel of the Lord, the God of
  633. 27:59Bethl, Yahweh, God Almighty, who's
  634. 28:02distinct from the Father who even sends
  635. 28:04the angel.
  636. 28:07Powerful stuff, isn't it? This is just
  637. 28:09Genesis. I haven't even got TO ISAIAH
  638. 28:12YET. LET'S GO TO ISAIAH. COME ON. Isaiah
  639. 28:16chapter 48. We ain't even did we ain't
  640. 28:18even got this far yet. This is just
  641. 28:20Genesis. Now, I could have went to
  642. 28:21Exodus
  643. 28:22where the angel of the Lord appears to
  644. 28:25Moses in the burning bush. We all know
  645. 28:27that. It's the angel of the Lord that
  646. 28:29appears to Moses in the fire. And then
  647. 28:31it says, "And Yahweh spoke to Moses from
  648. 28:34the midst of the bush. And the angel of
  649. 28:36the Lord says, I am the God of your
  650. 28:37fathers, Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. My
  651. 28:39name is Yahweh. That's my name forever."
  652. 28:41This is where we first get the name
  653. 28:42Yahweh, guys. It's from the angel of the
  654. 28:45Lord.
  655. 28:47Jesus is the first one to claim to be
  656. 28:49Yahweh, not the father. Deep, isn't it?
  657. 28:54That's deep. Now, in Isaiah chapter 48,
  658. 29:00we're going to read verses 12- 16.
  659. 29:04And I'm going to need y'all to help me
  660. 29:06with this verse because I have
  661. 29:07comprehension skills. Uh, you know, lack
  662. 29:09sometime.
  663. 29:11It says in verse 12,
  664. 29:14"Hear me, oh Jacob, even Israel, whom I
  665. 29:18called. I am he. I am the first.
  666. 29:23I am also the last." Who's speaking?
  667. 29:28I I need y'all to talk to me.
  668. 29:30>> Thank you. Good grief. Where y'all at?
  669. 29:33Look, guys, I'm the one who's not a
  670. 29:35morning person, okay? I'm from America.
  671. 29:38You guys are like from this. So, this is
  672. 29:40y'all y'all this afternoon for you guys.
  673. 29:42This is this is like 2 am for me right
  674. 29:45now. Okay. I need y'all's help. Okay.
  675. 29:49Help me out. Help help me help you. All
  676. 29:52right. Who's speaking?
  677. 29:56>> Thank you. Absolutely. Now, see, I can't
  678. 29:58sometimes I don't understand that
  679. 29:59sometimes. You know, I've, you know,
  680. 30:00reading comprehension when I talk to the
  681. 30:02Muslims, they they don't know who talks.
  682. 30:03All of a sudden, Yahweh is speaking. He
  683. 30:06continues and says, "Also, my hand
  684. 30:10founded the earth and my right hand
  685. 30:13spread out the heavens. When I called to
  686. 30:15them, they stand together." Who's
  687. 30:18speaking?
  688. 30:19>> Yahweh speaking. Okay. Assemble all of
  689. 30:22you and hear. Who among them has
  690. 30:26declared these things? Yahweh loves him.
  691. 30:29He will carry out his good pleasure on
  692. 30:31Babylon and his arm will be against the
  693. 30:35Chaldanss.
  694. 30:36I even I have spoken. Indeed, I have
  695. 30:40called him. I have brought him and he
  696. 30:44will make his ways successful. Who's
  697. 30:46speaking?
  698. 30:48>> So, no speaker changes here, right?
  699. 30:50>> Yahweh's been speaking this whole time.
  700. 30:52>> Okay. All right. Well, let's continue.
  701. 30:55Verse 16. Draw near to me. Hear this.
  702. 31:00From the first, I have spoken. I have
  703. 31:02not spoken in secret.
  704. 31:06From the time it took place, I was
  705. 31:07there. Who's speaking?
  706. 31:10>> He then goes on to say, "So now the Lord
  707. 31:13Yahweh has sent me and his spirit."
  708. 31:23>> Wait, does anybody have glasses?
  709. 31:26I mean, I don't need him, but I might
  710. 31:27need him for this cuz let me just zoom
  711. 31:30in real quick.
  712. 31:32So, now the Lord Yahweh
  713. 31:35has sent me and his spirit. Hold on. So,
  714. 31:41Yahweh is sent by Yahweh with the
  715. 31:45spirit. Hold on, guys. Help me. Can
  716. 31:48Yahweh, how many is that?
  717. 31:50Yahweh one, the speaker has
  718. 31:54sent me. How many is that?
  719. 31:57>> And his spirit. How many is that?
  720. 31:59>> But hold on a second. Yahweh is one.
  721. 32:03Yahweh here. O Israel. Yahweh our God.
  722. 32:06Yahweh is one.
  723. 32:09Why do I see three?
  724. 32:12See, I knew Christians believe one
  725. 32:13equals three. I knew it. 1 plus 1 plus 1
  726. 32:18equals equals 1. According to
  727. 32:20Christians, I knew it. Here we have a
  728. 32:25clear example where Yahweh the speaker
  729. 32:29refers to Yahweh who sends him with the
  730. 32:33spirit of Yahweh who's also being sent.
  731. 32:36One, two, three. Trinity in the Old
  732. 32:40Testament.
  733. 32:41Can it get any clearer than this?
  734. 32:45In light of guys, because remember,
  735. 32:48we started with the beginning. We built
  736. 32:51up to this, which is what the scripture
  737. 32:52does. The scripture builds up to this.
  738. 32:56It doesn't just give you this randomly.
  739. 32:58It's going to show you this in
  740. 33:00scripture. That way, when you see
  741. 33:03something like this, you ain't
  742. 33:04surprised.
  743. 33:05By the time you get to Isaiah, which is
  744. 33:09generations after Genesis, obviously, by
  745. 33:13the time you get to Isaiah, when you see
  746. 33:15a plurality within Yahweh, you ain't
  747. 33:18surprised. You ain't confused, cuz God
  748. 33:22already told you this.
  749. 33:25Am I right?
  750. 33:27>> He's already made this clear. Here's
  751. 33:30another example I like to see. Isaiah
  752. 33:3263.
  753. 33:34I love this passage.
  754. 33:37I love this passage.
  755. 33:40Starting at verse number 7. It's very
  756. 33:42beautiful.
  757. 33:45Very beautiful.
  758. 33:48Isaiah 63, starting at verse number
  759. 33:50seven.
  760. 33:54It says,"I shall bring to remembrance
  761. 33:57the loving kindness of Yahweh,
  762. 34:00the praises of Yahweh, according to all
  763. 34:03the ways that Yahweh has dealt
  764. 34:05bountifully with us, and the abundant
  765. 34:08goodness toward the house of Israel,
  766. 34:11which he has dealt bountifully to them,
  767. 34:14according to his compassion, and
  768. 34:16according to the abundance of his loving
  769. 34:18kindness."
  770. 34:20And he said, "Surely they are my people,
  771. 34:24sons who will not deal falsely." He
  772. 34:28became their savior.
  773. 34:31In all their distress, he was
  774. 34:33distressed.
  775. 34:35And the angel of his presence saved
  776. 34:38them. Wait a second. It just said that
  777. 34:41Yahweh became their savior. Then it just
  778. 34:44identified that it was the angel of his
  779. 34:46presence that became their savior. How
  780. 34:49many is that? So far,
  781. 34:51>> that's two. Isaiah 63, y'all. Isaiah 63.
  782. 34:57The angel of his presence. There he is
  783. 34:59again. I love that thing. I I just love
  784. 35:01that guy. He's always popping up
  785. 35:02everywhere. The angel of his presence
  786. 35:06saved them.
  787. 35:08Man, I got this. This Bible's so good. I
  788. 35:10lost my place. My goodness. Verse nine,
  789. 35:12here we are. In all their distress, he
  790. 35:15was distressed. The angel of his
  791. 35:17presence saved them. In his love and in
  792. 35:20his mercy, he redeemed them. Notice how
  793. 35:23it's referring to them in the singular
  794. 35:25now. And he lifted them and carried them
  795. 35:28all the ancient days. But they rebelled
  796. 35:32and grieved his holy spirit. How many is
  797. 35:36that?
  798. 35:37>> That's the that Holy Spirit be popping
  799. 35:39up too, don't he?
  800. 35:41They grieved his holy spirit. Can you
  801. 35:43grieve electricity, y'all?
  802. 35:46No. Can you grieve the Star Wars force?
  803. 35:48Can the Star Wars force feel grief? Can
  804. 35:51this Can a power feel grieved? This
  805. 35:54shows personhood. Correct. This shows
  806. 35:57character. The Holy Spirit is not just a
  807. 35:59force or a power, some type of energy.
  808. 36:02The Holy Spirit feels
  809. 36:05right.
  810. 36:07He grieve. They grieved his Holy Spirit.
  811. 36:09Therefore, he turned himself to become
  812. 36:11their enemy. He fought against them.
  813. 36:13Verse 11. Then his people remembered the
  814. 36:16ancient days of Moses. Where he Where is
  815. 36:19he who brought them up out of the sea
  816. 36:23with the shepherds of his flock? Where
  817. 36:26is he who put the Holy Spirit in the
  818. 36:29midst of them? Who caused his glorious
  819. 36:32arm to go at the right hand of Moses?
  820. 36:35Who split the waters before them to make
  821. 36:38for himself an everlasting name? Who led
  822. 36:42them through the depths. Now this is
  823. 36:43interesting guys.
  824. 36:45This arm of the Lord. This is the second
  825. 36:47time he mentioned this in this passage.
  826. 36:49This arm of the Lord. This arm of the
  827. 36:50Lord. You guys familiar with this
  828. 36:51phrase. This arm of the Lord. It says
  829. 36:54that the arm of the Lord is the one who
  830. 36:56split the sea. The arm of the Lord is
  831. 36:59the one who split the sea and carried
  832. 37:02Israel through the depths.
  833. 37:04Now at first place this arm of the Lord
  834. 37:07sounds like just the power of God by by
  835. 37:09which he acts or something. But really,
  836. 37:12the arm of the Lord is a person.
  837. 37:16It's another title for someone familiar.
  838. 37:18Go to Isaiah 53, guys.
  839. 37:22Isaiah 53. Remember this arm of the Lord
  840. 37:25is the one who saved them from Egypt.
  841. 37:30Isaiah 53.
  842. 37:34Is this good Bible?
  843. 37:36>> This this good Bible, ain't it? And the
  844. 37:39truth. I'm telling you, it's the truth.
  845. 37:42That Bible, the truth. Can't do nothing
  846. 37:44with the truth. And if you're not going
  847. 37:47with the truth, then you're lying.
  848. 37:51Isaiah 53,
  849. 37:53watch what it says in verse one.
  850. 37:56Who has believed our report?
  851. 38:00And to whom has the arm of the Lord been
  852. 38:03revealed? There, there it is again, the
  853. 38:06arm of the Lord. Then it describes the
  854. 38:08arm of the Lord. For he
  855. 38:12grew up before him like a tender chute.
  856. 38:15And like a root out of dry ground, he
  857. 38:18has no majesty. The arm of the Lord, it
  858. 38:20wasn't nothing special. Didn't look
  859. 38:21special to us. The arm of the Lord had
  860. 38:25no majesty that we should look at him.
  861. 38:28No desire, no appearance that we should
  862. 38:30desire him. He, the arm of the Lord, was
  863. 38:33despised and forsaken by men. A man of
  864. 38:37sorrows. A man
  865. 38:39who who who
  866. 38:42they talking about?
  867. 38:44>> Say it with the test.
  868. 38:46>> Jesus Christ.
  869. 38:49The arm of the Lord, the angel of the
  870. 38:51Lord is none other than our Lord and
  871. 38:53Savior Jesus the Christ.
  872. 38:56Notice this. The arm of the Lord that
  873. 38:59shows up throughout the Old Testament.
  874. 39:01The one who saved Israel out of the out
  875. 39:03of Egypt, carried them through the
  876. 39:06waters, split the sea, is none other
  877. 39:09than the pre-incarnate Christ, who was
  878. 39:12still doing his thing way back then.
  879. 39:15Still active, still graceful, still full
  880. 39:18of truth, still full of faith, saving
  881. 39:21his people, a stubborn people like you
  882. 39:23and me.
  883. 39:25Active.
  884. 39:27Now, this I love to parallel.
  885. 39:30Jude, the book of Jude
  886. 39:331. There's only one chapter honestly,
  887. 39:35but Jude 1, verse number five.
  888. 39:43Really, you want to use verse four and
  889. 39:44five. Get four and five. We'll do four
  890. 39:46and five because I'm going to show you
  891. 39:48guys how to answer an objection. Okay.
  892. 39:52Jude 4 and five. It says, you guys all
  893. 39:55there? We all there together? Okay,
  894. 39:57good. It says, 'For certain people,
  895. 39:59verse four, have crept in unnoticed,
  896. 40:02those who were long beforehand marked
  897. 40:05out for this condemnation, ungodly
  898. 40:08persons
  899. 40:09who turn the grace of our God into
  900. 40:11sensuality and deny our only master and
  901. 40:15lord, Jesus Christ. Who's our only
  902. 40:18master and lord, ladies and gentlemen?
  903. 40:20>> Jesus Christ. That's right. Now, watch
  904. 40:24what it says here in verse five.
  905. 40:26Now I want to remind you, I want to
  906. 40:29bring back to your remembrance
  907. 40:31though you know all things that Jesus
  908. 40:36having once saved a people out of the
  909. 40:39land of Egypt subsequently destroyed
  910. 40:42those who did not believe. Whoa.
  911. 40:47Jude just said it was Jesus who saved
  912. 40:51the people out of the land of Egypt.
  913. 40:55When we go back and look at it, it says
  914. 40:58it's the angel of the Lord who split the
  915. 41:00sea and saved the people out of the land
  916. 41:01of Egypt.
  917. 41:03>> When we go back further, it says that
  918. 41:04it's Yahweh who saved the people out of
  919. 41:06the land of Egypt. Who does that make
  920. 41:08Jesus, ladies and gentlemen?
  921. 41:10>> Yahweh, God most high.
  922. 41:13Jesus is the one who saved the people
  923. 41:14out of the land of Egypt. Now, here's a
  924. 41:16caveat.
  925. 41:18A sharp Jehovah's Witness or Muslim or
  926. 41:21any Unitarian will say, "Well, there's a
  927. 41:23textual variant here."
  928. 41:25In another manuscript, it doesn't say
  929. 41:27Jesus. It says Lord. See? Ha. Gotcha.
  930. 41:32It says Lord, not Jesus.
  931. 41:36According to verse four, who's the Lord,
  932. 41:37y'all?
  933. 41:39Our only master and Lord, it says,
  934. 41:41right? So it doesn't matter which
  935. 41:43manuscript you use, but and by the way,
  936. 41:45the earliest manuscripts say Jesus by
  937. 41:47name, but it's okay. We don't we don't
  938. 41:49it don't matter to us. Jesus, Lord, same
  939. 41:51thing. You know, my tomato tomato, you
  940. 41:53know, same thing. Verse four in context
  941. 41:57tells us who the Lord is. Christ, our
  942. 42:00only master and lord Jesus Christ. So
  943. 42:02even if it said, and to remind you that
  944. 42:05it was the Lord who saved the people out
  945. 42:07of the land of Egypt, it just is talking
  946. 42:09about Jesus in context.
  947. 42:12Either way you go, Jesus is Yahweh, God,
  948. 42:15who saved the people out of the land of
  949. 42:17Egypt. The Bible is unambiguous.
  950. 42:23The Bible is unequivocal
  951. 42:27that the father may his peace be upon
  952. 42:29us, the son, may his peace be upon us,
  953. 42:33and the holy spirit, may his peace be
  954. 42:37upon us,
  955. 42:38>> are all the same God.
  956. 42:50>> We didn't have to philosophize it.
  957. 42:53We didn't [laughter]
  958. 42:54we didn't have to, you know, manipulate
  959. 42:57it. We didn't have to come up with some
  960. 42:58story. We saw both in the Old Testament
  961. 43:03and the New Testament, the Trinity is
  962. 43:07biblical.
  963. 43:09Your belief is biblical. Your belief is
  964. 43:13it stands on scripture.
  965. 43:17Learn this. Let it become second nature
  966. 43:21to you. Bleed this. Bleed these
  967. 43:24scriptures, these texts. Learn how to
  968. 43:26communicate it. Learn how to present it.
  969. 43:28And I promise you, your ministry, your
  970. 43:31gospel ministry, and presenting the
  971. 43:33gospel, sharing the gospel, defending
  972. 43:35the gospel will go up a hundred times.
  973. 43:39Amen.
  974. 43:40>> Thank you, ladies and gentlemen. I
  975. 43:42appreciate you.
  976. 43:51Is there time for questions or
  977. 43:52>> Q&A?
  978. 43:53>> Yeah, sure.
  979. 43:54>> Anyone questions? All right.
  980. 43:58>> Yeah.
  981. 43:59>> What's D and Jill? [laughter]
  982. 44:02>> That's really our only questions till
  983. 44:04this day.
  984. 44:05>> Ivory, you knocked another one out of
  985. 44:07the park. So, thank you for coming and
  986. 44:09doing a good job. Um, I just want to get
  987. 44:11your take on Isaiah 41:4. Okay, let's go
  988. 44:15ahead and get the Bible up.
  989. 44:18Isaiah 41:4.
  990. 44:25All right. It says,
  991. 44:28"Who has worked and done it, calling
  992. 44:31both uh calling forth the generations
  993. 44:34from the beginning, I Yahweh am the
  994. 44:36first, and with the last, I am he."
  995. 44:37Yeah.
  996. 44:41>> My attention. I'm trying to draw your
  997. 44:43attention to what it says there in the
  998. 44:46second part of that.
  999. 44:48>> The first and the last.
  1000. 44:49>> I am with the last is what it says. It
  1001. 44:52doesn't say I'm the first and the last.
  1002. 44:53It says that elsewhere in in um Isaiah
  1003. 44:56obviously,
  1004. 44:57>> but specifically it says I am with the
  1005. 45:00last, implying that there is even within
  1006. 45:03first and the last, there is some kind
  1007. 45:05of plurality.
  1008. 45:07>> Um that's a I never thought of it that
  1009. 45:09way. I'm not going to lie to you. You
  1010. 45:10might need to come up here, man.
  1011. 45:13Now, for I I haven't uh I've never
  1012. 45:15looked at that in that way. It's really
  1013. 45:17interesting. I think you're on to
  1014. 45:18something. I I'll look deeper into that
  1015. 45:19to see if there's some substance with
  1016. 45:22that. If uh him not just being the last,
  1017. 45:25but being with the last would indicate
  1018. 45:28another person that he's also there
  1019. 45:30that's also never ending. It's a good
  1020. 45:32point, man. It's a really good point.
  1021. 45:36>> I agree.
  1022. 45:37>> Uh it's out of the question actually. Uh
  1023. 45:39it's uh I was traveling the third part
  1024. 45:41of the night. I found a shin [laughter]
  1025. 45:45and two
  1026. 45:47right gloves.
  1027. 45:48>> No, you didn't.
  1028. 45:49>> I I don't know who was
  1029. 45:50>> But you did you didn't find the NGO
  1030. 45:52though. [laughter]
  1031. 45:54>> Oh, man. You was able to find a shin the
  1032. 45:56two right but not not the NGO
  1033. 45:58>> and the two right hands.
  1034. 45:59>> That's tough. That's tough. [laughter]
  1035. 46:01Praise God, man. God bless you.
  1036. 46:03>> Please let me out.
  1037. 46:04>> Look, if there's anybody that can find
  1038. 46:05that in jail, I think it's going to be
  1039. 46:07you.
  1040. 46:08Sorry, could you make clear to me the
  1041. 46:10the arm of the Lord being Jesus, please?
  1042. 46:13I got sort of
  1043. 46:14>> mixed up, but not mixed up. We're very
  1044. 46:17clear that when he says the arm of the
  1045. 46:19Lord is referring to the Lord Jesus
  1046. 46:20Christ, please.
  1047. 46:22>> Uh, is he are you asking to clarify the
  1048. 46:24arm of the Lord being Jesus?
  1049. 46:26>> Yes. Okay. Yeah, sure. So, so a few
  1050. 46:29things.
  1051. 46:31Okay. So in Isaiah 63, it identified the
  1052. 46:37arm of the Lord as the one saving Israel
  1053. 46:39from the land of Egypt, right? And just
  1054. 46:43right uh before that, it mentioned that
  1055. 46:45the angel of his presence is the one who
  1056. 46:47saved them from the land of Egypt. So
  1057. 46:49these will be two different titles of
  1058. 46:51the same person. The angel of the Lord,
  1059. 46:53arm of the Lord, it's the same person.
  1060. 46:55Right? Now, how do we connect that this
  1061. 46:57is Jesus? Well, in Isaiah 53,
  1062. 47:02it's very Isaiah 53 is clearly about
  1063. 47:04Jesus, right? The suffering Messiah
  1064. 47:05takes on our sins. But in Isaiah 53, it
  1065. 47:10calls him the arm of the Lord. So it
  1066. 47:12says, "Who has believed what he has
  1067. 47:14heard from us? To whom has the arm of
  1068. 47:17the Lord been revealed? For he grew up
  1069. 47:20before him like a tender chute out of
  1070. 47:22dry ground." So starts talking about the
  1071. 47:23arm of the Lord as a person who is now
  1072. 47:26this person who has come to his people
  1073. 47:28and is suffering and giving his life for
  1074. 47:32uh for for everyone else. You see the
  1075. 47:34you see the connection. Awesome.
  1076. 47:38Uh well he he's controlling all of it. I
  1077. 47:40see you.
  1078. 47:41>> Yeah. Yeah. So my question is I never
  1079. 47:44heard this argument from Muslims but
  1080. 47:46from the Unitarians.
  1081. 47:47>> Yeah. How would you deal with the
  1082. 47:48singular pronouns that they say that
  1083. 47:51it's over 2,000 times in the Old
  1084. 47:54Testament? How would you turn the
  1085. 47:55objections against them?
  1086. 47:56>> Yeah, that's exactly what we we should
  1087. 47:58expect. If God is singular and plural,
  1088. 48:00we should also see singular pronouns.
  1089. 48:03Like, for example, now here's what's
  1090. 48:05interesting because a if a unitarian
  1091. 48:07brings such a weak argument like that
  1092. 48:08of, which they do, all you got to do is
  1093. 48:10just show them where God speaks with
  1094. 48:12plural pronouns and then they're done.
  1095. 48:14That's one. Now, if you want to have fun
  1096. 48:16with it,
  1097. 48:20you use those singular pronouns against
  1098. 48:22them. For example, in Isaiah 44:4, it
  1099. 48:26says this. Yahweh says, "I alone
  1100. 48:31created the heavens and the earth. I
  1101. 48:34stretched out the heavens by myself."
  1102. 48:38See, singular pronouns, exclusive
  1103. 48:41language. Nobody else was with them.
  1104. 48:43Right? So with a unitarian they believe
  1105. 48:46in both old and new. So for the
  1106. 48:48unitarian they believe that Jesus was
  1107. 48:51the one who the father used to create
  1108. 48:53all things. So we have ourselves a
  1109. 48:56contradiction here ladies and gentlemen.
  1110. 48:58Yahweh says that he created all things
  1111. 49:00singular pronouns by himself all alone
  1112. 49:03nobody with him. But yet it says that
  1113. 49:05it's through Jesus that all things were
  1114. 49:07created. So was Yahweh by himself or did
  1115. 49:11he have help? since you want to hang on
  1116. 49:13singular pronouns. Let's have fun with
  1117. 49:15it. Right? So, that's how you can turn
  1118. 49:18their argument against them because then
  1119. 49:20they're going to have to they're going
  1120. 49:21to have to deal with that and none of
  1121. 49:23them can. None of them can. I promise
  1122. 49:26you,
  1123. 49:29>> God lo [laughter]
  1124. 49:31you're amazing. So, I know we don't do
  1125. 49:33the Trinity in the New Testament, but
  1126. 49:35I've heard from Muslims, even though we
  1127. 49:37give them these verses and explanations
  1128. 49:38that the Trinity is in the Old
  1129. 49:40Testament, they would say, "Okay, if
  1130. 49:43it's in the Old Testament, we expect
  1131. 49:45Jesus in the New Testament at least to
  1132. 49:47teach or to mention the Trinity and that
  1133. 49:50they're co-equal in uh in in their
  1134. 49:53sense." So, how can we answer this this
  1135. 49:56question? Um, there's a
  1136. 50:00there's a couple ways you could do that.
  1137. 50:02Number one, you use the pattern that we
  1138. 50:06just used in the Old Testament. You see
  1139. 50:07how in the Old Testament, you don't have
  1140. 50:09a
  1141. 50:11God is triune one and three person. You
  1142. 50:14don't have a text like that. You'll
  1143. 50:15never do that. Never find that. That's
  1144. 50:16not how we come up with our doctrine.
  1145. 50:18Our doctrine is built on the multitude
  1146. 50:21of scriptures on the topic and then we
  1147. 50:24get our conclusion, right? on the
  1148. 50:26context of scripture. So what you can
  1149. 50:28explain is how Jesus throughout the New
  1150. 50:31Testament demonstrates his divinity, the
  1151. 50:35father's divinity, and the Holy Spirit's
  1152. 50:37divinity, right? And so by default, they
  1153. 50:40are all God, right? You have the Holy
  1154. 50:43Spirit. He man, he goes ham on the Holy
  1155. 50:46Spirit. Ham because Muslims see um he he
  1156. 50:50really goes crazy with the Holy Spirit.
  1157. 50:52um in John chapters 14:15 and 16 right
  1158. 50:55where he talks about the spirit who
  1159. 50:57proceeds from the father's essence
  1160. 50:59meaning he shares the same essence as
  1161. 51:01the father he's the same whatness of the
  1162. 51:03father right um that's one way you could
  1163. 51:05do it here's another way you could do it
  1164. 51:07real fun way to do it you can ask a
  1165. 51:09Muslim
  1166. 51:11um can you go can you ever say that I'm
  1167. 51:15going to go perform salat which is
  1168. 51:17prayer in the name of Allah Jabril and
  1169. 51:20Muhammad
  1170. 51:21Their answer would be obviously no. You
  1171. 51:24want to ask them why not. They said
  1172. 51:28because that would be shock associating
  1173. 51:31partners with Allah. We can only do
  1174. 51:33things in the name of Allah. Excellent.
  1175. 51:35You say I agree with you 100%. And make
  1176. 51:38sure you do the hand signals too.
  1177. 51:40[laughter]
  1178. 51:41Really, you know, got to, you know,
  1179. 51:42become all things to all people, right?
  1180. 51:45So you that that's what you asked them,
  1181. 51:48right? So you agree with them? Yes, I
  1182. 51:49agree. That would be associating
  1183. 51:52partners with Allah. So then when Jesus
  1184. 51:55says go and baptize in the name of the
  1185. 52:00father, the son and the holy spirit,
  1186. 52:04you then ask them would this is this a
  1187. 52:07statement of sherp? They have to say yes
  1188. 52:10because Jesus just associated himself
  1189. 52:13and the spirit with the father making
  1190. 52:16them equal in their essence.
  1191. 52:21Hi, Logic.
  1192. 52:22>> What up, Tiger?
  1193. 52:23>> What up? [laughter] Um, so I've got a
  1194. 52:25question. So, we usually deal with the
  1195. 52:28Unitarians, but I want to bring in the
  1196. 52:30oneness who agree with us that Jesus is
  1197. 52:32God.
  1198. 52:32>> Yeah.
  1199. 52:33>> So, two scriptures, Isaiah 9:6 and John
  1200. 52:3614, cuz that's the one that they usually
  1201. 52:38bring where they're like, um, so
  1202. 52:40obviously the son is called everlasting
  1203. 52:42father. So, they'll say that's identity.
  1204. 52:45And then John 14 where they say, "See,
  1205. 52:47look, Jesus said, when you see me, you
  1206. 52:49see the father, so I'm now the father."
  1207. 52:51How do you deal with that?
  1208. 52:52>> Yeah.
  1209. 52:52>> Yeah.
  1210. 52:53>> How would you deal with that?
  1211. 52:55>> Pray with me on the spot. [laughter]
  1212. 52:59>> How would [snorts] you answer that,
  1213. 53:00Tiger?
  1214. 53:01>> Okay.
  1215. 53:01>> Isaiah 9:6. First,
  1216. 53:02>> Isaiah 9:6. Obviously, the question I
  1217. 53:05would usually ask is, "Is the father a
  1218. 53:07prince?" They would have to say no. So,
  1219. 53:09everlasting father,
  1220. 53:10>> what if they said yes?
  1221. 53:13They would have to show where
  1222. 53:15>> right there in Isaiah 96, the father is
  1223. 53:16a prince. Clearly.
  1224. 53:19>> Okay. So, I would um I would show them
  1225. 53:23that everlasting father. Here the title
  1226. 53:27is aviard. Aviard instead of aviol. So,
  1227. 53:32it would quite literally go with the
  1228. 53:34book in acts where it calls him, it's
  1229. 53:36calling him the owner of everlasting.
  1230. 53:39Yes. The same way Abraham is also called
  1231. 53:42the father of the nations. That wouldn't
  1232. 53:44be an identity statement. That would be
  1233. 53:46a title. And it says a child is born, a
  1234. 53:50son is given. It doesn't say a father is
  1235. 53:53given. So the son came before the name.
  1236. 53:55>> But the son is the father.
  1237. 53:58>> So then why does it say the son was
  1238. 54:00given and he will be called everlasting
  1239. 54:02father? Not that he's identified.
  1240. 54:04>> Because the son is being identified as
  1241. 54:06the father there clearly.
  1242. 54:08>> [laughter]
  1243. 54:10>> cooked.
  1244. 54:12>> That's crazy because your answer was
  1245. 54:14really good.
  1246. 54:15>> Um, number one, you're right.
  1247. 54:17>> It's a quality it's describing. It's not
  1248. 54:19describing identity, right? The
  1249. 54:21qualities of the son. Father of
  1250. 54:22eternity, prince of peace, wonderful
  1251. 54:24counselor, mighty God. These are
  1252. 54:26qualities of who this son that's given
  1253. 54:29is. Now, you mentioned it mentions that
  1254. 54:32the son is given. My question would be
  1255. 54:35who gave him?
  1256. 54:37Who gave the son
  1257. 54:40if for something to be given that
  1258. 54:41requires two parties, right? And that's
  1259. 54:44what I would actually ask first. For
  1260. 54:46something to be given that requires at
  1261. 54:48least two parties. Is that correct? They
  1262. 54:50would have to say yes. Or unless you
  1263. 54:51just kick them off the stage because
  1264. 54:52they're, you know, thanks for coming,
  1265. 54:54man. Watch your head. Right. But it
  1266. 54:57takes it takes at least two for one to
  1267. 54:59be given and someone to receive. So who
  1268. 55:02in the world is giving the son? It says
  1269. 55:05the the son was given. who gave him?
  1270. 55:07That's number one. Number two, the
  1271. 55:08quality is obviously yes, it's he's he's
  1272. 55:12the owner of everlasting, the source of
  1273. 55:15eternal life. That's what it means to be
  1274. 55:16the f like Abraham is the source of all
  1275. 55:18these nations, right? So is the son the
  1276. 55:22source of eternal life, not that he is
  1277. 55:23the heavenly father of the person. So
  1278. 55:26you break that down. You did that
  1279. 55:27beautifully. That was good. You see, you
  1280. 55:28got it. You didn't you didn't need me.
  1281. 55:32>> Clap it up for a tiger, y'all. You know
  1282. 55:38>> in Mark 13:32, something that keeps on
  1283. 55:40getting thrown at us is about Jesus not
  1284. 55:43knowing the hour.
  1285. 55:44>> Yeah.
  1286. 55:44>> How would you answer that?
  1287. 55:45>> Uh, so if you go to God logic
  1288. 55:47apologetics like [laughter]
  1289. 55:50there's like a thousand videos.
  1290. 55:53Ah, all right. I'll break this down
  1291. 55:54again. Um, so Jesus not knowing the
  1292. 55:58hour. Obviously, we know that Christ is
  1293. 55:59all knowing. How do we know this? The
  1294. 56:01Bible says it. John 16
  1295. 56:04um verse 30 verse 29 and 30. Uh the
  1296. 56:08disciple says now we know that you have
  1297. 56:11come from God because you speak clearly.
  1298. 56:14Now we know that you know all things.
  1299. 56:17Jesus doesn't say hold on stop it. Hold
  1300. 56:19a second. I don't know all things. Only
  1301. 56:22God knows all things. He says do you now
  1302. 56:24believe? So Jesus affirms his
  1303. 56:27omniscience that he's all knowing. We
  1304. 56:29have another passage John 20 where or is
  1305. 56:32it 21? John 21 where uh Peter says Lord
  1306. 56:37why do you keep asking me if I love you?
  1307. 56:39You know that I love you. You know all
  1308. 56:41things. Now this one is special because
  1309. 56:44this context of Jesus knowing is knowing
  1310. 56:47the heart of Peter. The Bible says that
  1311. 56:49it's Yahweh alone who knows and searches
  1312. 56:51the hearts of man. So Peter is appealing
  1313. 56:54to Jesus knowing his heart. Why are you
  1314. 56:56asking me this? You know, right? So
  1315. 56:59another passage that Jesus knows all
  1316. 57:01things. So the Bible is clear. Here's
  1317. 57:04another thing. Mark literally starts off
  1318. 57:07with Jesus being the most high God in
  1319. 57:10chapter one. Mark chapter 1, it
  1320. 57:13identifies Jesus as Yahweh who comes
  1321. 57:15after his messenger is sent in the
  1322. 57:17wilderness. Okay? Prepared way before
  1323. 57:20me. Yahweh speaking. So Mark says that
  1324. 57:24Jesus is Yahweh who comes after John the
  1325. 57:26Baptist. So we already know that Jesus
  1326. 57:29is God. He's all knowing. He's all
  1327. 57:31powerful. He's the creator. So in no
  1328. 57:33way, shape or form is then Mark going to
  1329. 57:35then later demonstrate that Jesus is not
  1330. 57:38God contextually. That makes absolutely
  1331. 57:40no sense. So then how do we see this?
  1332. 57:42Now in Mark 13:32, he uses the word
  1333. 57:46oiden
  1334. 57:47for no. He says, "No man, no one knows
  1335. 57:51the hour, no man knows, nor the angels,
  1336. 57:53nor the son, but the father only." The
  1337. 57:56word oiden there for know. Contextually
  1338. 58:00the word oiden can also be used to tell
  1339. 58:02something to make something known to
  1340. 58:04others. You see this example in 1
  1341. 58:06Corinthians chapter 2 verse two. Paul
  1342. 58:08says to the Corinthians when I came to
  1343. 58:11you I decided to know nothing or he
  1344. 58:15didn't except Jesus Christ and him
  1345. 58:18crucified. Now, when Paul says, "I
  1346. 58:20decided to know nothing," does this mean
  1347. 58:23that Paul literally didn't know anything
  1348. 58:25else? That he had no other knowledge?
  1349. 58:28No. It just means when he came to the
  1350. 58:30Corinthians, the only thing he focused
  1351. 58:33on making known to them, declaring to
  1352. 58:35them is the crucifixion. This is the
  1353. 58:37gospel, right? So, we see that it could
  1354. 58:40be used to declare something. Now,
  1355. 58:43here's another way. Um the in Luke
  1356. 58:46chapter 20, I I actually love this
  1357. 58:48example. In Luke chapter 20, you have
  1358. 58:51the uh the Sadducees and the Pharisees.
  1359. 58:53They come to Jesus and they ask him, "By
  1360. 58:55what authority do you do these things,
  1361. 58:58right?" And Jesus said, "I'll tell you
  1362. 59:02if you tell me something.
  1363. 59:05I'll answer you if you answer me." He
  1364. 59:07says, "Was John's baptism
  1365. 59:11from heaven or from men?
  1366. 59:14They reasoned upon themselves. If we say
  1367. 59:16from heaven, then he'll say, "Then why
  1368. 59:18didn't you believe him? If we say from
  1369. 59:20men, then we'll get stoned because the
  1370. 59:21people knew he was a prophet." So they
  1371. 59:23then turn to him and say, "We don't
  1372. 59:25know."
  1373. 59:27And Jesus says, "Then neither will I
  1374. 59:30tell you by what authority I do these
  1375. 59:32things." Notice Jesus doesn't say,
  1376. 59:34"Neither neither then I don't know
  1377. 59:37either." But he says, "Neither will I
  1378. 59:39tell you by which authority I do these
  1379. 59:41things." The context is telling is
  1380. 59:44declaring.
  1381. 59:45So the the Sadducees the authorities are
  1382. 59:47saying we don't want to say we don't
  1383. 59:49want to tell you we can't say. So then
  1384. 59:52Jesus said neither can I say neither
  1385. 59:54will I tell you. It's mutual. You see so
  1386. 59:57it's in telling. So it's not for anyone
  1387. 59:59to tell the hour to declare the hour.
  1388. 1:00:02This is for the father to do only.
  1389. 1:00:04That's his job. Right? Now you see Jesus
  1390. 1:00:07compares his coming to a Jewish wedding
  1391. 1:00:09multiple times. Jesus is the bridegroom.
  1392. 1:00:11right? Who comes? He says the bridegroom
  1393. 1:00:13is here. Soon he will leave, but he's
  1394. 1:00:16going to come back. The father throws uh
  1395. 1:00:18the wedding for the son. The king throws
  1396. 1:00:20the wedding for his son. So in Jewish
  1397. 1:00:22wedding, it's the father that announces
  1398. 1:00:25the wedding day, not the not the
  1399. 1:00:26bridegroom. That's the father's
  1400. 1:00:28authority to do so. Not that the son
  1401. 1:00:30doesn't know his own wedding day. He has
  1402. 1:00:32to send invites, prepare the food,
  1403. 1:00:34prepare the feast, you know, get it all
  1404. 1:00:36ready. They know his own. He knows his
  1405. 1:00:37own wedding day. But out of respect for
  1406. 1:00:39the father, humble for the father as his
  1407. 1:00:42authority to announce it. Okay. So you
  1408. 1:00:46see this another example. Just one last
  1409. 1:00:47one. Acts chapter 1 guys verse 6. They
  1410. 1:00:51asked Jesus again when he resurrected
  1411. 1:00:52and he's about to ascend a is now the
  1412. 1:00:54time. Is now the time where you're going
  1413. 1:00:56to restore Israel and do all this type
  1414. 1:00:58of stuff. Is they're asking about the
  1415. 1:00:59hour again? He says it's not for you to
  1416. 1:01:03know. This time he uses a different
  1417. 1:01:05Greek word. It's not oiden anymore. I
  1418. 1:01:07forgot what it was though. Sorry, but
  1419. 1:01:09it's a different Greek word here. He
  1420. 1:01:10says, "It's not for you to know the
  1421. 1:01:13times or the seasons that the father has
  1422. 1:01:15fixed by his own authority."
  1423. 1:01:18Okay? Not for you to know. So, that's
  1424. 1:01:21how we answer that. So, Jesus isn't
  1425. 1:01:23ignorant of his own hour. It's not for
  1426. 1:01:25him to declare.
  1427. 1:01:26>> Okay. Last question.
  1428. 1:01:28>> Hi, Logic.
  1429. 1:01:29>> What's up?
  1430. 1:01:30>> My name is Faithful. Uh, nice to meet
  1431. 1:01:32you.
  1432. 1:01:32>> Nice to meet you. Um so this is how I
  1433. 1:01:35understood the trinity back in Ghana
  1434. 1:01:37when I was a kid when I was a child. Um
  1435. 1:01:39I mean if you read the book of Genesis
  1436. 1:01:41it says that God made us in his image
  1437. 1:01:43and I know that according to the Bible
  1438. 1:01:45we are we are a spirit being we have a
  1439. 1:01:47soul and we function with a body on
  1440. 1:01:49earth. So can we say that with that
  1441. 1:01:51knowledge God has to have a since we we
  1442. 1:01:54were made in God God's image God has to
  1443. 1:01:56have a certain kind of uh being similar
  1444. 1:01:58to ours which I mean I mean we we are
  1445. 1:02:02like a spirit being right and we have a
  1446. 1:02:04soul functioning on the earth with the
  1447. 1:02:05body so some way somehow God has to have
  1448. 1:02:07that kind of uh same image that he made
  1449. 1:02:09us in I don't know if uh that that
  1450. 1:02:13>> are you here
  1451. 1:02:15>> IP raise your hand
  1452. 1:02:16>> yeah so this is before like any of these
  1453. 1:02:18these verses, you know, and all these
  1454. 1:02:20things that you've taught us uh came in
  1455. 1:02:22actually. So, I don't know. Yeah,
  1456. 1:02:25>> I I heard I got you, brother. Is it
  1457. 1:02:26inspiring philosophy here?
  1458. 1:02:29>> Did you hear? Did you hear him?
  1459. 1:02:31>> Did you hear his Did you hear him? He
  1460. 1:02:33said to explain the trinity, you know?
  1461. 1:02:36Uh can we use like we're mind, body, and
  1462. 1:02:38spirit, you know? Uh what what is that?
  1463. 1:02:40What is that called?
  1464. 1:02:44That's partialism of Patrick.
  1465. 1:02:48>> The reason why we can't use that example
  1466. 1:02:52is because that's partialism Patrick and
  1467. 1:02:55modalism as well because now you're
  1468. 1:02:57saying that so the mind, body, and
  1469. 1:02:59spirit, these are parts of the human
  1470. 1:03:01nature. They're not fully human. The the
  1471. 1:03:04you know, they together make up the
  1472. 1:03:06whole. So if you're going to compare
  1473. 1:03:08that to God, the father, son, and
  1474. 1:03:09spirit, you're going to say that the
  1475. 1:03:10father is only part of God. The son is
  1476. 1:03:12part of God. The spirit is part of God.
  1477. 1:03:14They themselves aren't fully God or
  1478. 1:03:17truly God. Right? So that's why that
  1479. 1:03:18doesn't work. These analogies guys don't
  1480. 1:03:21do that. Just don't do it. Okay? Um so
  1481. 1:03:25the father, son, and spirit, they are
  1482. 1:03:27fully truly God. All right? There's no
  1483. 1:03:30partialism in the divine essence. You
  1484. 1:03:32can't split them up or put a piece of
  1485. 1:03:34godhood here and piece of godhood there.
  1486. 1:03:36They're not a third of God. Each person
  1487. 1:03:39fully possesses the divine essence.
  1488. 1:03:41Okay. Unlike mind, body, and soul.
  1489. 1:03:45All right. Looks like that's it, y'all.

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