If All CHRISTIANS Learn THIS...It's OVER For ISLAM! — Transcript
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- 0:02What's up everybody?
- 0:05[laughter]
- 0:06Man, y'all some morning people. Man, I'm
- 0:09on reserve energy. I'm letting you guys
- 0:11know right now. So, pray for me. All
- 0:12right. My voice is a little raspy. I
- 0:16might sound like a little deep priest,
- 0:18you know, but I need y'all with me. I
- 0:20need y'all to encourage me. Okay. Um,
- 0:22we're going to be going through,
- 0:23obviously, we're going to be going
- 0:24through the Trinity in the Old
- 0:27Testament. And a lot of us are used to
- 0:29the New Testament. We usually argue the
- 0:31deity of Christ in the Gospels, in
- 0:35Paul's letters, that blasphemer. Oh,
- 0:38Paul. You know,
- 0:40why is it always Paul? Everybody got to
- 0:42blame Paul. We're not going to use Paul
- 0:44today. Okay? Is that cool? We're not
- 0:47We're not going to use Paul today. All
- 0:48right? I'm going to talk to you guys. I
- 0:49need y'all to talk back to me. I like us
- 0:51to be interactive. It's going to be
- 0:53conversational. Okay? We're friends
- 0:55here. We're brothers and sisters, right?
- 0:57Okay. So, yeah, we're not going to use
- 0:59Paul. We're not We're not going to use
- 1:01John. We We really love John. John
- 1:03really talk about the deity of Christ,
- 1:05but you know, we're not going to use
- 1:06John. We might use him once. Once.
- 1:08That's it. If I use them twice, kick me
- 1:10off the stage. Okay. All right. But
- 1:12once, I promise. John one time. Um, not
- 1:16Matthew, not Luke, not Mark, not the
- 1:19vers. We're going to stick to the Old
- 1:22Testament because a lot of the
- 1:23accusation is that the Trinity is
- 1:25something new. The trinity is something
- 1:28pagan. The trinity is something that
- 1:30Paul made up when he timeraveled 300
- 1:32years later with Constantine at the
- 1:34council of Nika. And then they got
- 1:36together and came up with this trinity
- 1:38doctrine. You guys heard this before.
- 1:40>> Yeah. Right. Okay. Okay. Cool. So, we
- 1:43know how Paul timeraveled. All right.
- 1:46>> [clears throat]
- 1:46>> So, with this being said, we're going to
- 1:49demonstrate that the Trinity is fluent
- 1:54throughout the Old Testament. As a
- 1:57matter of fact, ladies and gentlemen,
- 1:58I'm going to barely leave Genesis.
- 2:02We're going to demonstrate the trinity
- 2:04in the book of Genesis,
- 2:07Exodus, and so on, but mainly in Genesis
- 2:10because God gives us a hint of his
- 2:12plurality within his uh singularity
- 2:16right in the beginning. And this is
- 2:18important. Obviously, we already know we
- 2:21got that God created the heavens and the
- 2:23earth, right? in verse two of Genesis
- 2:26chapter 1 that the spirit of God was
- 2:29hovering over the waters. Now, when we
- 2:32look at the Old Testament, this doesn't
- 2:34really seem at face value something that
- 2:38deep. We have God who created the
- 2:39heavens and the earth. Okay, yeah,
- 2:40that's simple, right? He created the
- 2:42heavens and the earth. The spirit of God
- 2:44hovered over the face of the of the
- 2:47waters, over the depths. Okay, cool. But
- 2:49why why is that significant? What what
- 2:52makes that significant? Well, when we
- 2:55look throughout the Old Testament, we
- 2:57see that creation is attributed not just
- 3:01to the father, but also to the word of
- 3:04the father and also to the spirit of the
- 3:07father, the spirit of God. So, for
- 3:09example, we have Psalm 104. You guys
- 3:12taking notes?
- 3:13>> Cuz we there's only one thing we do
- 3:15around here, ladies and gentlemen. What
- 3:16is that?
- 3:17>> We just read. We're going to do a lot of
- 3:19reading, y'all. All right. All right, I
- 3:20don't got no slides, but we got we got
- 3:23some we got some scriptures. So, make
- 3:24sure you guys take notes because I want
- 3:26you guys to use this in your ministry.
- 3:29Use this in your dialogues with other
- 3:31people who challenge the Trinity, who
- 3:33challenge your belief. Okay. Psalm 104,
- 3:37[clears throat]
- 3:38starting at verse 29, we're going to do
- 3:4029 and 30. Psalm 104, 29 and 30. It says
- 3:43this, "You hide your face and they are
- 3:47dismayed. You take away their spirit,
- 3:51they they breathe their last and they
- 3:54return to dust.
- 3:56Verse 30, here it is. And you send forth
- 3:59your spirit and they are created.
- 4:04You renew the face of the ground. So
- 4:07notice this. It's by the spirit of God
- 4:11that man is created. And it's by the
- 4:14spirit of God that the ground is
- 4:16renewed. Remember the spirit hovering
- 4:18over the waters. The spirit hovering
- 4:20over the waters is a euphemism for the
- 4:23spirit actively watching over creation.
- 4:26Like a eagle hovers over the eggs or
- 4:29hovers over the ground hunting for food.
- 4:31The spirit of God is hovering over the
- 4:33waters. The spirit of God is renewing
- 4:36the ground. He sends his spirit and they
- 4:39are created. That's one. Here we go
- 4:43again. We got Job chapter 33. Mark this
- 4:47down ladies and gents.
- 4:49Job chapter 33
- 4:52verse number four. This is what Job
- 4:55says.
- 4:57It says, "The spirit of God has made me
- 5:02and the breath of the Almighty gives me
- 5:04life."
- 5:07Notice in this pattern, the spirit of
- 5:10God, the Holy Spirit is responsible for
- 5:14creation.
- 5:16Yet he is distinct from the father. He's
- 5:20the spirit of God.
- 5:23Distinct from God at the same time, yet
- 5:26one in essence with him. How is it that
- 5:29we explain this? How is it that we can
- 5:33get around this?
- 5:35So we have the spirit who creates. It's
- 5:38the word who creates. It's the father
- 5:40who creates. But yet the scripture is
- 5:43very clear ladies and gentlemen that
- 5:45it's one God who created all things.
- 5:48Deuteronomy chapter 6 vers4. Muslims
- 5:50quote this all the time. Here O Israel,
- 5:52the Lord our God, the Lord is one.
- 5:55Correct? There's only one God,
- 5:59right?
- 6:00There's only one God, one divine
- 6:03essence, one divine being. Yet, we see
- 6:06that it's the spirit of God who has
- 6:08created us. It's the spirit of God who
- 6:10renews the ground. And it's by his word
- 6:13that we are created. Now, this is the
- 6:15only time I'm going to use John. Y'all
- 6:17know where I'm going. John chapter 1
- 6:19verse one. It's the only time I said it.
- 6:21If I use John after this, kick me off
- 6:23the stage. I'll get out of here. All
- 6:24right. I need to get some sleep anyway.
- 6:26All right.
- 6:28John what? In the mining.
- 6:34Wait. Um, sorry.
- 6:37In the beginning.
- 6:41Okay, let me just read.
- 6:43In the be got it. In the beginning,
- 6:46there it is. In the beginning was the
- 6:48word and the word was with God and the
- 6:52word was God. So we see that the word is
- 6:56a distinct person who also possesses the
- 6:58divine essence. He's a distinct person
- 7:00from the other one who is also God. It
- 7:02says that he was in the beginning with
- 7:04God all things. Say all things, ladies
- 7:07and gentlemen.
- 7:09>> Somehow this is a concept that is really
- 7:11difficult for people to get. Some people
- 7:13don't believe that all things means all
- 7:15things. Can you guys believe that? You
- 7:17go to a Muslim or Jehovah's Witnesses,
- 7:19you say all things, they say, "Yeah, all
- 7:20other things."
- 7:23I mean it don't it don't it don't say
- 7:25that though [laughter] that's not there
- 7:27says all things were created through him
- 7:31and watch this just to hey John was
- 7:33making sure he was clear about this
- 7:35there's no confusion he goes on to say
- 7:38and without him was not anything made
- 7:42that has been made pretty clear right am
- 7:46I am I tripping that's pretty that's
- 7:49that's an explicit verse is it not an
- 7:52unequivocal statement,
- 7:56right? That the word of God created all
- 7:59things and yet is distinct from the God
- 8:02that he's with, the father. And we see
- 8:04later on, obviously, the word became
- 8:06flesh. We beheld his glory as the only
- 8:08begotten son of the father, full of
- 8:10grace and truth. So, we have the spirit
- 8:12who creates. We have the son who
- 8:14creates. We have the uh the father who
- 8:17creates which is a no-brainer but just
- 8:19to give you a verse Deuteronomy 32:6 it
- 8:23says it says is this how you repay
- 8:27Yahweh is he not your father who created
- 8:31you
- 8:33father that's one
- 8:35spirit that's two
- 8:38word that's three sounds like the
- 8:40trinity doesn't it
- 8:43sounds like the trinity is right there
- 8:45in the scripture. It's not something we
- 8:47have to philosophize. It's not something
- 8:49we have to make up. It's not something
- 8:51we have to read into the text. The text
- 8:53is blatantly clear that there are three
- 8:56that are identified as the creator. As a
- 8:59matter of fact, if this was the case,
- 9:01ladies and gentlemen, I think that it
- 9:04would be appropriate if every now and
- 9:08then we might see God referred to as the
- 9:12creators,
- 9:14the makers, right? If he's triune, we
- 9:19might we might see this type of
- 9:20language. Well, [laughter]
- 9:23bubble bursting. We actually do. It's
- 9:25right here in Job. In Job, ladies and
- 9:28gentlemen, in Job 35:10,
- 9:31I want you guys to write this one down.
- 9:34Job 35:10, if God is triune, we should
- 9:38expect to see some plural language, some
- 9:42plural adjectives, some plural nouns
- 9:45when it when it comes to God, some
- 9:47plural verbs. Right now, this is what it
- 9:50says. Now, in most English translations,
- 9:52it won't catch it. You got to get to the
- 9:54Hebrew. Okay? Because this is what it
- 9:57says. It says, "But none says, "Where is
- 10:01God, my makers?"
- 10:04In the Hebrew, the word is oay.
- 10:07Everybody say, "O."
- 10:12>> It means my makers plural. The singular
- 10:17of this word is osa. Say osa.
- 10:20>> Osa. Really? Hey, that sounds good, man.
- 10:22Kind of, you know. All right. So it's oh
- 10:25say where no one asks no one says where
- 10:29is God my makers who gives songs in the
- 10:34night. So if God is triune this is
- 10:37exactly what I expect to see. I expect
- 10:41to see God refer referred to in the
- 10:44plural when it comes to him being the
- 10:45creator but still being singular in his
- 10:50essence. This sounds like the trinity
- 10:52does it not? Yes,
- 10:54>> this this this looks just like the
- 10:55Trinity. Am I Are we on the same page
- 10:57here, y'all? So, here it is. We have Ge
- 11:01uh that God is referred to as the
- 11:04makers. Watch this. Here's another one.
- 11:07Psalm 149:2.
- 11:10Psalm 149 verse two.
- 11:15It says, "Let Israel be glad in his
- 11:19makers."
- 11:21O say. There it is again. Remember this
- 11:24is the plural form of Osa. O say our
- 11:28makers. It says let the children of Zion
- 11:31rejoice in their king.
- 11:33Here we have it again. God referred to
- 11:36in the plurality of creators
- 11:40trinity one God.
- 11:44A lot of times, like I said, you got to
- 11:46check with the Hebrew. If you have uh
- 11:48you know, Bible interlinear, if you have
- 11:49logos, um use these use these uh
- 11:53devices, use these uh platforms to help
- 11:56you look at the interlinear because that
- 11:58will help you see that uh you know what
- 12:00the English doesn't really catch out.
- 12:02Okay. Now,
- 12:05like I said, we're going to be using a
- 12:06lot of Genesis because there's this
- 12:09particular figure that a lot of people
- 12:11are confused about, especially the Jews,
- 12:13rabbitic Jews. Rebbitic Jews don't know
- 12:15how to deal with this guy.
- 12:18Anybody guess who I'm talking about?
- 12:21Huh?
- 12:22>> Say it with your chest.
- 12:24>> There we go. The angel of the Lord,
- 12:27baby. This is my favorite guy in the Old
- 12:30Testament. Not Moses, not Jacob, the
- 12:34angel of the Lord. Why? Because he
- 12:37speaks
- 12:39like he he just reminds me of somebody,
- 12:41man. There's There's somebody the angel
- 12:43of the Lord reminds me of the way that
- 12:44he he operates, the way that he speaks.
- 12:46He speaks as a messenger sent from the
- 12:49father, humbles himself to the father,
- 12:52but also speaks not like saying here's
- 12:55what the father says, here's what the
- 12:56lord says, but he will come to Moses.
- 12:59He'll come to Abraham. He'll come to to
- 13:02Hagar. [clears throat] He'll come to
- 13:03Jacob and said, "I made this covenant
- 13:05with you." I'm like, who does he think
- 13:08he is?
- 13:10This sounds familiar because this is how
- 13:12this is how our Lord Jesus speaks. Our
- 13:15Lord Jesus, he comes and he says, "You
- 13:17have heard it say, you have heard it
- 13:19say, you have heard it say, you have
- 13:22read, but I say to you, I say, here's my
- 13:28command." They It's just kind of like
- 13:31the same kind of guy, isn't it? It's a
- 13:34little It's a little It's a little
- 13:35interesting, but let's see. You know, I
- 13:37might just be talking. Let's just see.
- 13:39Genesis chapter 28.
- 13:41this angel of the Lord figure. Genesis
- 13:44chapter 28
- 13:46starting in verse 10. Jacob is on the
- 13:48run. He just stole Esau's birthright.
- 13:53That that conniving Jacob. You know, see
- 13:55this is how you know the Bible's
- 13:56corrupted. Cuz how could how could God
- 13:58pick Jacob? How how could God pick Jacob
- 14:01to be his messenger and to to continue
- 14:04his covenant? It ain't this doesn't this
- 14:06show the Bible got corrupted? No. Y'all
- 14:08silent. Christians, y'all debunked.
- 14:10Christians exposed.
- 14:12Y'all exposed, man. Nah, man. You know
- 14:16I'm a secret mumon.
- 14:19Genesis chapter 28, starting at verse
- 14:2110, it says, "Then Jacob departed
- 14:25Beersa and went toward Haram." I'm going
- 14:27to skip down to where he starts having
- 14:29the dream. Verse 12, "Then he had a
- 14:32dream, and behold, a ladder stood on the
- 14:36earth with its top touching heaven.
- 14:40And behold, the angels of God were
- 14:43ascending and descending on it. And
- 14:45behold, watch what it says. Yahweh stood
- 14:50at the top.
- 14:52Yahweh's there. He's seeing Yahweh
- 14:54standing at the top of the staircase.
- 14:57The angels traveling to and fro. Yahweh
- 15:00at the front. And this is what he says.
- 15:02[clears throat]
- 15:04Yahweh stood above it and said, "I am
- 15:06Yahweh." Notice it's very clear verse. I
- 15:09am Yahweh, the God of your father
- 15:11Abraham, and the God of Isaac. The land
- 15:14on which you lie, I will give it to you
- 15:17and to your seed. And your seed will
- 15:21also be like the dust of the earth, and
- 15:23you will spread out to the west and to
- 15:26the east, to the north, to the south,
- 15:28and in you and in your seed all the
- 15:32families of the earth shall be blessed.
- 15:37Notice this, guys. Just as a little
- 15:38sidebar, I know Vocab is here. He deals
- 15:40with a lot of Hebrew Israelites. Notice
- 15:42how Hey, notice how God says here in the
- 15:46beginning when he's making the covenant
- 15:48that it's in you that all the families
- 15:50of the earth will be blessed. He's not
- 15:53just thinking of Israel. He's not just
- 15:54thinking of one family, but every family
- 15:58on the planet has the opportunity of
- 16:00being blessed through the one seed of
- 16:02Jacob, through the Messiah. That's how
- 16:05good our God is. This is the gospel
- 16:07message right now. Watch this. This is
- 16:09important. Then Jacob awoke.
- 16:12He awoke and then he this is what he
- 16:14does. He makes a vow. He says, "Surely
- 16:17Yahweh is in this place and I did not
- 16:19know it." How many times have we been in
- 16:22a place in our lives where we where God
- 16:24was near and we didn't even recognize
- 16:26him? Where God was close by and we
- 16:28couldn't even we couldn't feel it. We
- 16:30didn't know. But once we get that that
- 16:32that light bulb, it hits. There's a new
- 16:35fire that ignites in us. This is how God
- 16:37reveals himself to his people. So he
- 16:39says, "I didn't know it." And he was
- 16:42afraid and said, "How fearsome is this
- 16:44place? This is none other than the house
- 16:47of God, and this is the gate of heaven."
- 16:50So Jacob rose up early in the morning,
- 16:53took a stone, put it under that that he
- 16:56put on his head, set it up as a pillar,
- 16:59and poured oil on top of it. He anointed
- 17:01anointed it. And he called the name of
- 17:04the place Bethl, which means house of
- 17:06God. Then Jacob made a vow, saying, "If
- 17:10God will be with me and will keep me on
- 17:13this journey on which I am going, and
- 17:16will give me food to eat, garments to
- 17:18wear, and I return to my father's house
- 17:21in in peace, then Yahweh will be my
- 17:24God." Now guys, I want you guys to pay
- 17:26attention. That vow was important. Who
- 17:29is he making the vow to? Yahweh God. Is
- 17:31that correct? And he says, "If Yahweh
- 17:34will keep me, right, keep me safe, if
- 17:36he'll clothe me, feed me, give me drink,
- 17:39keep me in peace, let me return home
- 17:41safely, if he keeps me on my journey,
- 17:44Yahweh will be my God." That's who he's
- 17:46making his vow to. Is that correct?
- 17:48>> We all on the same page.
- 17:50>> All right. Now, let's travel through the
- 17:52Bible with me. Genesis 31. This is 28.
- 17:55Genesis 31.
- 17:58Genesis 31, starting at verse 11.
- 18:02This is good Bible, is it not? This is
- 18:05good Bible. I told you I ain't got no
- 18:06slides for y'all, but I got scripture.
- 18:08All right.
- 18:10Genesis chapter 31, starting at verse
- 18:1211.
- 18:15It says, "Then the angel of God
- 18:18said to me in a dream,
- 18:22Jacob,
- 18:23and I said, here I am." He said, "Lift
- 18:26up now your eyes and see that all the
- 18:30male goats which has been which I'm
- 18:32sorry, which are mating and striped,
- 18:34speckled and modeled, for I have seen
- 18:38all that Laban has been doing to you."
- 18:43Now, notice how he's speaking.
- 18:45He doesn't say, "For God has seen what
- 18:48has been happening to you." He doesn't
- 18:50say, "For thus says the Lord, he sees
- 18:53you in your trouble, Jacob." He says,"I
- 18:55have seen you. I have seen all that
- 18:58Laban has been doing to you." Now, watch
- 19:01what he caps this off as. He says, verse
- 19:0313, "I am the God of Bethl,
- 19:09where you anointed a pillar, where you
- 19:12made a vow to me.
- 19:16Now arise, leave this land, and return
- 19:20to the land of your kin." What did Jacob
- 19:23pray? Jacob prayed, "If he keeps me in
- 19:26this journey, helps me return to my
- 19:29father's house in peace, gives me food
- 19:31to drink, clothes, then Yahweh will be
- 19:34my God." The angel of the Lord says,
- 19:36"That was me who you made a vow to. I'm
- 19:39the God of Bethl. That was my house.
- 19:42That was me standing at the top of this
- 19:44of the of the staircase.
- 19:47That was me in front of all the angels
- 19:49that made a covenant with you that day.
- 19:51It was me."
- 19:53Who does this angel think he is? He
- 19:54clearly says he's God. Unequivocally.
- 19:57Unambiguously.
- 19:59It's an unequivocal statement.
- 20:03It is an unambiguous verse where the
- 20:07angel of the Lord, peace and blessings
- 20:09be from him, says, "I am God."
- 20:14Very clear. Right? Now, here's what's
- 20:17interesting, guys. Notice now I'm ask
- 20:20you guys this. Maybe you guys know the
- 20:21answer to this. Who is the only one who
- 20:25is able to receive sacrifices and
- 20:28worship?
- 20:31Man, not not a lot of you guys know
- 20:33this. Just a few of you. Say it with
- 20:36your chest.
- 20:37>> Yahweh. God Almighty. Is that correct?
- 20:41>> So only God Yahweh Almighty can receive
- 20:43sacrifices, can have an altar built to
- 20:46him and in in terms of worship. Is that
- 20:49correct? Now notice this because we're
- 20:51not just talking about bowing down and
- 20:53honoring. We're not just talking about
- 20:56uh you know proaneo where you just you
- 20:58know you just bow down. Jehovah's
- 20:59Witnesses will use this against you.
- 21:01Muslims will use this against you. Oh
- 21:02yeah well the kings will bow down to you
- 21:04know uh you know other people receive
- 21:06this type of honor. But there's a
- 21:08specific type of worship that only God
- 21:10receives. That's altar sacrifices,
- 21:15altar building and worship in that way.
- 21:18You with me? Let's travel through the
- 21:20Bible. Genesis 35,
- 21:24very first verse.
- 21:28Very first verse. Genesis chapter 35.
- 21:33Watch this guys.
- 21:36It says
- 21:38this. Now, this is right before Jacob is
- 21:39about to leave to Bethl like he said he
- 21:42would. It says, "Then God said to Jacob,
- 21:46arise,
- 21:48go up to Bethl and live there, and make
- 21:53an altar there
- 21:55to God, who appeared to you when you
- 21:58fled from your brother, Esau."
- 22:01Did y'all catch that?
- 22:02>> Yes.
- 22:04>> God is telling Jacob to build an altar
- 22:08to God that met him in Bethl.
- 22:12Why would God be appealing to another
- 22:15one who is also God and telling him to
- 22:18worship someone else
- 22:21unless this other person who is also God
- 22:25is also Yahweh worthy of worship the
- 22:27most high.
- 22:29Did y'all catch that? This isn't just
- 22:31another prophet or an angel saying,
- 22:33"Hey, this person is worthy of worship."
- 22:35This is God himself deeming that the
- 22:38angel of the Lord is God Almighty worthy
- 22:41of worship. Sound familiar? In Hebrews
- 22:44chapter 1 vers8, it says, "But of the
- 22:47Son, the Father says, "Your throne, oh
- 22:49God, is forever and ever. The scepter of
- 22:54uprightness is the scepter of your
- 22:55kingdom."
- 22:57So in the Old Testament we have God
- 22:59calling God God, the father calling the
- 23:02son God. And in the New Testament we
- 23:04have the father calling the son God.
- 23:07Mutual glorification.
- 23:09The father honors and glorifies the son
- 23:12and the son honors and glorifies the
- 23:14father in both the old and the new
- 23:17testament.
- 23:18Nothing changes guys.
- 23:21Nothing changes. The same thing we see
- 23:24in the new is what we saw in the old.
- 23:28All we got to do is just read.
- 23:31That's it. That's all we got to do is
- 23:34just read the text.
- 23:37And so this is why this is special. So
- 23:38if you want to present this, if you want
- 23:40to present this practically because
- 23:41having this knowledge is good, but
- 23:44presenting it is something else. You see
- 23:46how I presented it to you guys? How I
- 23:48delivered it to y'all? I asked you a
- 23:51question. Who is the only one that can
- 23:53receive altar worship? Have an altar
- 23:56built for them in worship? The obvious
- 24:00answer is Yahweh God Almighty.
- 24:03That's how you start it off. Then you
- 24:05show them Genesis 35:1.
- 24:08Then you show them that God appeals to
- 24:12the other, the angel of the Lord, and
- 24:14says, "Go build an altar for him where
- 24:18you met the God of Bethl."
- 24:20Amen. Now, here it is again. Remember
- 24:24what was uh Jacob asking for? Just a few
- 24:26things. What was he asking for in his
- 24:28vow? Protection. Yes. What's another
- 24:31one?
- 24:31>> Provision.
- 24:32>> Provisions.
- 24:36>> Shelter. That's right. Right. He's
- 24:39asking all these things on this journey.
- 24:42Provisions, shelter,
- 24:44uh uh protection,
- 24:47food, drink. Now, to cap it off, this is
- 24:51Jacob at the end of his life. Genesis
- 24:5448. Remember I told y'all we barely
- 24:56leave in Genesis, but we're at the end
- 24:58of it. Genesis 48, guys.
- 25:03Starting at verse 15 and 16.
- 25:06Now, here
- 25:08what's happening in context is Jacob
- 25:12finally met up with Joseph in Egypt.
- 25:15And so he meets his grandchildren
- 25:19and he's going to pray over his
- 25:20grandchildren that they be blessed and
- 25:23pray for Joseph and the rest of his sons
- 25:25uh the sons of Israel.
- 25:28And so here we are Genesis 48
- 25:32verse1 15. Watch what he says.
- 25:35And he blessed Joseph and said,
- 25:39"May the God
- 25:41before whom my fathers Abraham and Isaac
- 25:43walked, the God who has been my shepherd
- 25:49throughout my life
- 25:52to this day. to this day.
- 25:56The angel
- 25:59who has redeemed me from evil,
- 26:02bless these boys,
- 26:05and may my name live on in them, and the
- 26:09names of my fathers Abraham and Isaac,
- 26:12and may they grow into a multitude in
- 26:16the midst of the earth. Who's he praying
- 26:18to?
- 26:20That's true. He is praying to Yahweh.
- 26:22Now, if we were being specific, which
- 26:24person?
- 26:25>> The angel.
- 26:28Why in the world is a patriarch of the
- 26:32faith? Why in the world is a prophet of
- 26:36God, a messenger of God, praying to an
- 26:40angel?
- 26:42Why is he referring to the angel as the
- 26:45God who has kept him all his ways to
- 26:47this day? He says,
- 26:50"Why is it that this prophet of God,
- 26:52this patriarch is praying to the angel
- 26:55to make a multitude as if this angel can
- 26:58create, as if this angel can produce
- 27:02life and could command the seed of of
- 27:05Abraham and Isaac and Jacob and Israel
- 27:09as if this angel is Yahweh, God of
- 27:13Bethl, that met him in that dream and
- 27:15said, "If you keep my commands, if you
- 27:17stick to my covenant. I will keep you
- 27:19all the days of your life. Jacob knew
- 27:22who his God was and Jacob was not a
- 27:26Unitarian.
- 27:29[laughter]
- 27:31Sorry JWs.
- 27:34Sorry Mumoon. Sorry Muslims. Jacob, your
- 27:37beloved prophet was not a Unitarian.
- 27:41[laughter]
- 27:42That man was a trinitarian y'all.
- 27:45That man was a trinitarian.
- 27:47So Jacob offers his prayer, his
- 27:51thanksgiving. He builds an altar in
- 27:54worship
- 27:55to the angel of the Lord, the God of
- 27:59Bethl, Yahweh, God Almighty, who's
- 28:02distinct from the Father who even sends
- 28:04the angel.
- 28:07Powerful stuff, isn't it? This is just
- 28:09Genesis. I haven't even got TO ISAIAH
- 28:12YET. LET'S GO TO ISAIAH. COME ON. Isaiah
- 28:16chapter 48. We ain't even did we ain't
- 28:18even got this far yet. This is just
- 28:20Genesis. Now, I could have went to
- 28:21Exodus
- 28:22where the angel of the Lord appears to
- 28:25Moses in the burning bush. We all know
- 28:27that. It's the angel of the Lord that
- 28:29appears to Moses in the fire. And then
- 28:31it says, "And Yahweh spoke to Moses from
- 28:34the midst of the bush. And the angel of
- 28:36the Lord says, I am the God of your
- 28:37fathers, Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. My
- 28:39name is Yahweh. That's my name forever."
- 28:41This is where we first get the name
- 28:42Yahweh, guys. It's from the angel of the
- 28:45Lord.
- 28:47Jesus is the first one to claim to be
- 28:49Yahweh, not the father. Deep, isn't it?
- 28:54That's deep. Now, in Isaiah chapter 48,
- 29:00we're going to read verses 12- 16.
- 29:04And I'm going to need y'all to help me
- 29:06with this verse because I have
- 29:07comprehension skills. Uh, you know, lack
- 29:09sometime.
- 29:11It says in verse 12,
- 29:14"Hear me, oh Jacob, even Israel, whom I
- 29:18called. I am he. I am the first.
- 29:23I am also the last." Who's speaking?
- 29:28I I need y'all to talk to me.
- 29:30>> Thank you. Good grief. Where y'all at?
- 29:33Look, guys, I'm the one who's not a
- 29:35morning person, okay? I'm from America.
- 29:38You guys are like from this. So, this is
- 29:40y'all y'all this afternoon for you guys.
- 29:42This is this is like 2 am for me right
- 29:45now. Okay. I need y'all's help. Okay.
- 29:49Help me out. Help help me help you. All
- 29:52right. Who's speaking?
- 29:56>> Thank you. Absolutely. Now, see, I can't
- 29:58sometimes I don't understand that
- 29:59sometimes. You know, I've, you know,
- 30:00reading comprehension when I talk to the
- 30:02Muslims, they they don't know who talks.
- 30:03All of a sudden, Yahweh is speaking. He
- 30:06continues and says, "Also, my hand
- 30:10founded the earth and my right hand
- 30:13spread out the heavens. When I called to
- 30:15them, they stand together." Who's
- 30:18speaking?
- 30:19>> Yahweh speaking. Okay. Assemble all of
- 30:22you and hear. Who among them has
- 30:26declared these things? Yahweh loves him.
- 30:29He will carry out his good pleasure on
- 30:31Babylon and his arm will be against the
- 30:35Chaldanss.
- 30:36I even I have spoken. Indeed, I have
- 30:40called him. I have brought him and he
- 30:44will make his ways successful. Who's
- 30:46speaking?
- 30:48>> So, no speaker changes here, right?
- 30:50>> Yahweh's been speaking this whole time.
- 30:52>> Okay. All right. Well, let's continue.
- 30:55Verse 16. Draw near to me. Hear this.
- 31:00From the first, I have spoken. I have
- 31:02not spoken in secret.
- 31:06From the time it took place, I was
- 31:07there. Who's speaking?
- 31:10>> He then goes on to say, "So now the Lord
- 31:13Yahweh has sent me and his spirit."
- 31:23>> Wait, does anybody have glasses?
- 31:26I mean, I don't need him, but I might
- 31:27need him for this cuz let me just zoom
- 31:30in real quick.
- 31:32So, now the Lord Yahweh
- 31:35has sent me and his spirit. Hold on. So,
- 31:41Yahweh is sent by Yahweh with the
- 31:45spirit. Hold on, guys. Help me. Can
- 31:48Yahweh, how many is that?
- 31:50Yahweh one, the speaker has
- 31:54sent me. How many is that?
- 31:57>> And his spirit. How many is that?
- 31:59>> But hold on a second. Yahweh is one.
- 32:03Yahweh here. O Israel. Yahweh our God.
- 32:06Yahweh is one.
- 32:09Why do I see three?
- 32:12See, I knew Christians believe one
- 32:13equals three. I knew it. 1 plus 1 plus 1
- 32:18equals equals 1. According to
- 32:20Christians, I knew it. Here we have a
- 32:25clear example where Yahweh the speaker
- 32:29refers to Yahweh who sends him with the
- 32:33spirit of Yahweh who's also being sent.
- 32:36One, two, three. Trinity in the Old
- 32:40Testament.
- 32:41Can it get any clearer than this?
- 32:45In light of guys, because remember,
- 32:48we started with the beginning. We built
- 32:51up to this, which is what the scripture
- 32:52does. The scripture builds up to this.
- 32:56It doesn't just give you this randomly.
- 32:58It's going to show you this in
- 33:00scripture. That way, when you see
- 33:03something like this, you ain't
- 33:04surprised.
- 33:05By the time you get to Isaiah, which is
- 33:09generations after Genesis, obviously, by
- 33:13the time you get to Isaiah, when you see
- 33:15a plurality within Yahweh, you ain't
- 33:18surprised. You ain't confused, cuz God
- 33:22already told you this.
- 33:25Am I right?
- 33:27>> He's already made this clear. Here's
- 33:30another example I like to see. Isaiah
- 33:3263.
- 33:34I love this passage.
- 33:37I love this passage.
- 33:40Starting at verse number 7. It's very
- 33:42beautiful.
- 33:45Very beautiful.
- 33:48Isaiah 63, starting at verse number
- 33:50seven.
- 33:54It says,"I shall bring to remembrance
- 33:57the loving kindness of Yahweh,
- 34:00the praises of Yahweh, according to all
- 34:03the ways that Yahweh has dealt
- 34:05bountifully with us, and the abundant
- 34:08goodness toward the house of Israel,
- 34:11which he has dealt bountifully to them,
- 34:14according to his compassion, and
- 34:16according to the abundance of his loving
- 34:18kindness."
- 34:20And he said, "Surely they are my people,
- 34:24sons who will not deal falsely." He
- 34:28became their savior.
- 34:31In all their distress, he was
- 34:33distressed.
- 34:35And the angel of his presence saved
- 34:38them. Wait a second. It just said that
- 34:41Yahweh became their savior. Then it just
- 34:44identified that it was the angel of his
- 34:46presence that became their savior. How
- 34:49many is that? So far,
- 34:51>> that's two. Isaiah 63, y'all. Isaiah 63.
- 34:57The angel of his presence. There he is
- 34:59again. I love that thing. I I just love
- 35:01that guy. He's always popping up
- 35:02everywhere. The angel of his presence
- 35:06saved them.
- 35:08Man, I got this. This Bible's so good. I
- 35:10lost my place. My goodness. Verse nine,
- 35:12here we are. In all their distress, he
- 35:15was distressed. The angel of his
- 35:17presence saved them. In his love and in
- 35:20his mercy, he redeemed them. Notice how
- 35:23it's referring to them in the singular
- 35:25now. And he lifted them and carried them
- 35:28all the ancient days. But they rebelled
- 35:32and grieved his holy spirit. How many is
- 35:36that?
- 35:37>> That's the that Holy Spirit be popping
- 35:39up too, don't he?
- 35:41They grieved his holy spirit. Can you
- 35:43grieve electricity, y'all?
- 35:46No. Can you grieve the Star Wars force?
- 35:48Can the Star Wars force feel grief? Can
- 35:51this Can a power feel grieved? This
- 35:54shows personhood. Correct. This shows
- 35:57character. The Holy Spirit is not just a
- 35:59force or a power, some type of energy.
- 36:02The Holy Spirit feels
- 36:05right.
- 36:07He grieve. They grieved his Holy Spirit.
- 36:09Therefore, he turned himself to become
- 36:11their enemy. He fought against them.
- 36:13Verse 11. Then his people remembered the
- 36:16ancient days of Moses. Where he Where is
- 36:19he who brought them up out of the sea
- 36:23with the shepherds of his flock? Where
- 36:26is he who put the Holy Spirit in the
- 36:29midst of them? Who caused his glorious
- 36:32arm to go at the right hand of Moses?
- 36:35Who split the waters before them to make
- 36:38for himself an everlasting name? Who led
- 36:42them through the depths. Now this is
- 36:43interesting guys.
- 36:45This arm of the Lord. This is the second
- 36:47time he mentioned this in this passage.
- 36:49This arm of the Lord. This arm of the
- 36:50Lord. You guys familiar with this
- 36:51phrase. This arm of the Lord. It says
- 36:54that the arm of the Lord is the one who
- 36:56split the sea. The arm of the Lord is
- 36:59the one who split the sea and carried
- 37:02Israel through the depths.
- 37:04Now at first place this arm of the Lord
- 37:07sounds like just the power of God by by
- 37:09which he acts or something. But really,
- 37:12the arm of the Lord is a person.
- 37:16It's another title for someone familiar.
- 37:18Go to Isaiah 53, guys.
- 37:22Isaiah 53. Remember this arm of the Lord
- 37:25is the one who saved them from Egypt.
- 37:30Isaiah 53.
- 37:34Is this good Bible?
- 37:36>> This this good Bible, ain't it? And the
- 37:39truth. I'm telling you, it's the truth.
- 37:42That Bible, the truth. Can't do nothing
- 37:44with the truth. And if you're not going
- 37:47with the truth, then you're lying.
- 37:51Isaiah 53,
- 37:53watch what it says in verse one.
- 37:56Who has believed our report?
- 38:00And to whom has the arm of the Lord been
- 38:03revealed? There, there it is again, the
- 38:06arm of the Lord. Then it describes the
- 38:08arm of the Lord. For he
- 38:12grew up before him like a tender chute.
- 38:15And like a root out of dry ground, he
- 38:18has no majesty. The arm of the Lord, it
- 38:20wasn't nothing special. Didn't look
- 38:21special to us. The arm of the Lord had
- 38:25no majesty that we should look at him.
- 38:28No desire, no appearance that we should
- 38:30desire him. He, the arm of the Lord, was
- 38:33despised and forsaken by men. A man of
- 38:37sorrows. A man
- 38:39who who who
- 38:42they talking about?
- 38:44>> Say it with the test.
- 38:46>> Jesus Christ.
- 38:49The arm of the Lord, the angel of the
- 38:51Lord is none other than our Lord and
- 38:53Savior Jesus the Christ.
- 38:56Notice this. The arm of the Lord that
- 38:59shows up throughout the Old Testament.
- 39:01The one who saved Israel out of the out
- 39:03of Egypt, carried them through the
- 39:06waters, split the sea, is none other
- 39:09than the pre-incarnate Christ, who was
- 39:12still doing his thing way back then.
- 39:15Still active, still graceful, still full
- 39:18of truth, still full of faith, saving
- 39:21his people, a stubborn people like you
- 39:23and me.
- 39:25Active.
- 39:27Now, this I love to parallel.
- 39:30Jude, the book of Jude
- 39:331. There's only one chapter honestly,
- 39:35but Jude 1, verse number five.
- 39:43Really, you want to use verse four and
- 39:44five. Get four and five. We'll do four
- 39:46and five because I'm going to show you
- 39:48guys how to answer an objection. Okay.
- 39:52Jude 4 and five. It says, you guys all
- 39:55there? We all there together? Okay,
- 39:57good. It says, 'For certain people,
- 39:59verse four, have crept in unnoticed,
- 40:02those who were long beforehand marked
- 40:05out for this condemnation, ungodly
- 40:08persons
- 40:09who turn the grace of our God into
- 40:11sensuality and deny our only master and
- 40:15lord, Jesus Christ. Who's our only
- 40:18master and lord, ladies and gentlemen?
- 40:20>> Jesus Christ. That's right. Now, watch
- 40:24what it says here in verse five.
- 40:26Now I want to remind you, I want to
- 40:29bring back to your remembrance
- 40:31though you know all things that Jesus
- 40:36having once saved a people out of the
- 40:39land of Egypt subsequently destroyed
- 40:42those who did not believe. Whoa.
- 40:47Jude just said it was Jesus who saved
- 40:51the people out of the land of Egypt.
- 40:55When we go back and look at it, it says
- 40:58it's the angel of the Lord who split the
- 41:00sea and saved the people out of the land
- 41:01of Egypt.
- 41:03>> When we go back further, it says that
- 41:04it's Yahweh who saved the people out of
- 41:06the land of Egypt. Who does that make
- 41:08Jesus, ladies and gentlemen?
- 41:10>> Yahweh, God most high.
- 41:13Jesus is the one who saved the people
- 41:14out of the land of Egypt. Now, here's a
- 41:16caveat.
- 41:18A sharp Jehovah's Witness or Muslim or
- 41:21any Unitarian will say, "Well, there's a
- 41:23textual variant here."
- 41:25In another manuscript, it doesn't say
- 41:27Jesus. It says Lord. See? Ha. Gotcha.
- 41:32It says Lord, not Jesus.
- 41:36According to verse four, who's the Lord,
- 41:37y'all?
- 41:39Our only master and Lord, it says,
- 41:41right? So it doesn't matter which
- 41:43manuscript you use, but and by the way,
- 41:45the earliest manuscripts say Jesus by
- 41:47name, but it's okay. We don't we don't
- 41:49it don't matter to us. Jesus, Lord, same
- 41:51thing. You know, my tomato tomato, you
- 41:53know, same thing. Verse four in context
- 41:57tells us who the Lord is. Christ, our
- 42:00only master and lord Jesus Christ. So
- 42:02even if it said, and to remind you that
- 42:05it was the Lord who saved the people out
- 42:07of the land of Egypt, it just is talking
- 42:09about Jesus in context.
- 42:12Either way you go, Jesus is Yahweh, God,
- 42:15who saved the people out of the land of
- 42:17Egypt. The Bible is unambiguous.
- 42:23The Bible is unequivocal
- 42:27that the father may his peace be upon
- 42:29us, the son, may his peace be upon us,
- 42:33and the holy spirit, may his peace be
- 42:37upon us,
- 42:38>> are all the same God.
- 42:50>> We didn't have to philosophize it.
- 42:53We didn't [laughter]
- 42:54we didn't have to, you know, manipulate
- 42:57it. We didn't have to come up with some
- 42:58story. We saw both in the Old Testament
- 43:03and the New Testament, the Trinity is
- 43:07biblical.
- 43:09Your belief is biblical. Your belief is
- 43:13it stands on scripture.
- 43:17Learn this. Let it become second nature
- 43:21to you. Bleed this. Bleed these
- 43:24scriptures, these texts. Learn how to
- 43:26communicate it. Learn how to present it.
- 43:28And I promise you, your ministry, your
- 43:31gospel ministry, and presenting the
- 43:33gospel, sharing the gospel, defending
- 43:35the gospel will go up a hundred times.
- 43:39Amen.
- 43:40>> Thank you, ladies and gentlemen. I
- 43:42appreciate you.
- 43:51Is there time for questions or
- 43:52>> Q&A?
- 43:53>> Yeah, sure.
- 43:54>> Anyone questions? All right.
- 43:58>> Yeah.
- 43:59>> What's D and Jill? [laughter]
- 44:02>> That's really our only questions till
- 44:04this day.
- 44:05>> Ivory, you knocked another one out of
- 44:07the park. So, thank you for coming and
- 44:09doing a good job. Um, I just want to get
- 44:11your take on Isaiah 41:4. Okay, let's go
- 44:15ahead and get the Bible up.
- 44:18Isaiah 41:4.
- 44:25All right. It says,
- 44:28"Who has worked and done it, calling
- 44:31both uh calling forth the generations
- 44:34from the beginning, I Yahweh am the
- 44:36first, and with the last, I am he."
- 44:37Yeah.
- 44:41>> My attention. I'm trying to draw your
- 44:43attention to what it says there in the
- 44:46second part of that.
- 44:48>> The first and the last.
- 44:49>> I am with the last is what it says. It
- 44:52doesn't say I'm the first and the last.
- 44:53It says that elsewhere in in um Isaiah
- 44:56obviously,
- 44:57>> but specifically it says I am with the
- 45:00last, implying that there is even within
- 45:03first and the last, there is some kind
- 45:05of plurality.
- 45:07>> Um that's a I never thought of it that
- 45:09way. I'm not going to lie to you. You
- 45:10might need to come up here, man.
- 45:13Now, for I I haven't uh I've never
- 45:15looked at that in that way. It's really
- 45:17interesting. I think you're on to
- 45:18something. I I'll look deeper into that
- 45:19to see if there's some substance with
- 45:22that. If uh him not just being the last,
- 45:25but being with the last would indicate
- 45:28another person that he's also there
- 45:30that's also never ending. It's a good
- 45:32point, man. It's a really good point.
- 45:36>> I agree.
- 45:37>> Uh it's out of the question actually. Uh
- 45:39it's uh I was traveling the third part
- 45:41of the night. I found a shin [laughter]
- 45:45and two
- 45:47right gloves.
- 45:48>> No, you didn't.
- 45:49>> I I don't know who was
- 45:50>> But you did you didn't find the NGO
- 45:52though. [laughter]
- 45:54>> Oh, man. You was able to find a shin the
- 45:56two right but not not the NGO
- 45:58>> and the two right hands.
- 45:59>> That's tough. That's tough. [laughter]
- 46:01Praise God, man. God bless you.
- 46:03>> Please let me out.
- 46:04>> Look, if there's anybody that can find
- 46:05that in jail, I think it's going to be
- 46:07you.
- 46:08Sorry, could you make clear to me the
- 46:10the arm of the Lord being Jesus, please?
- 46:13I got sort of
- 46:14>> mixed up, but not mixed up. We're very
- 46:17clear that when he says the arm of the
- 46:19Lord is referring to the Lord Jesus
- 46:20Christ, please.
- 46:22>> Uh, is he are you asking to clarify the
- 46:24arm of the Lord being Jesus?
- 46:26>> Yes. Okay. Yeah, sure. So, so a few
- 46:29things.
- 46:31Okay. So in Isaiah 63, it identified the
- 46:37arm of the Lord as the one saving Israel
- 46:39from the land of Egypt, right? And just
- 46:43right uh before that, it mentioned that
- 46:45the angel of his presence is the one who
- 46:47saved them from the land of Egypt. So
- 46:49these will be two different titles of
- 46:51the same person. The angel of the Lord,
- 46:53arm of the Lord, it's the same person.
- 46:55Right? Now, how do we connect that this
- 46:57is Jesus? Well, in Isaiah 53,
- 47:02it's very Isaiah 53 is clearly about
- 47:04Jesus, right? The suffering Messiah
- 47:05takes on our sins. But in Isaiah 53, it
- 47:10calls him the arm of the Lord. So it
- 47:12says, "Who has believed what he has
- 47:14heard from us? To whom has the arm of
- 47:17the Lord been revealed? For he grew up
- 47:20before him like a tender chute out of
- 47:22dry ground." So starts talking about the
- 47:23arm of the Lord as a person who is now
- 47:26this person who has come to his people
- 47:28and is suffering and giving his life for
- 47:32uh for for everyone else. You see the
- 47:34you see the connection. Awesome.
- 47:38Uh well he he's controlling all of it. I
- 47:40see you.
- 47:41>> Yeah. Yeah. So my question is I never
- 47:44heard this argument from Muslims but
- 47:46from the Unitarians.
- 47:47>> Yeah. How would you deal with the
- 47:48singular pronouns that they say that
- 47:51it's over 2,000 times in the Old
- 47:54Testament? How would you turn the
- 47:55objections against them?
- 47:56>> Yeah, that's exactly what we we should
- 47:58expect. If God is singular and plural,
- 48:00we should also see singular pronouns.
- 48:03Like, for example, now here's what's
- 48:05interesting because a if a unitarian
- 48:07brings such a weak argument like that
- 48:08of, which they do, all you got to do is
- 48:10just show them where God speaks with
- 48:12plural pronouns and then they're done.
- 48:14That's one. Now, if you want to have fun
- 48:16with it,
- 48:20you use those singular pronouns against
- 48:22them. For example, in Isaiah 44:4, it
- 48:26says this. Yahweh says, "I alone
- 48:31created the heavens and the earth. I
- 48:34stretched out the heavens by myself."
- 48:38See, singular pronouns, exclusive
- 48:41language. Nobody else was with them.
- 48:43Right? So with a unitarian they believe
- 48:46in both old and new. So for the
- 48:48unitarian they believe that Jesus was
- 48:51the one who the father used to create
- 48:53all things. So we have ourselves a
- 48:56contradiction here ladies and gentlemen.
- 48:58Yahweh says that he created all things
- 49:00singular pronouns by himself all alone
- 49:03nobody with him. But yet it says that
- 49:05it's through Jesus that all things were
- 49:07created. So was Yahweh by himself or did
- 49:11he have help? since you want to hang on
- 49:13singular pronouns. Let's have fun with
- 49:15it. Right? So, that's how you can turn
- 49:18their argument against them because then
- 49:20they're going to have to they're going
- 49:21to have to deal with that and none of
- 49:23them can. None of them can. I promise
- 49:26you,
- 49:29>> God lo [laughter]
- 49:31you're amazing. So, I know we don't do
- 49:33the Trinity in the New Testament, but
- 49:35I've heard from Muslims, even though we
- 49:37give them these verses and explanations
- 49:38that the Trinity is in the Old
- 49:40Testament, they would say, "Okay, if
- 49:43it's in the Old Testament, we expect
- 49:45Jesus in the New Testament at least to
- 49:47teach or to mention the Trinity and that
- 49:50they're co-equal in uh in in their
- 49:53sense." So, how can we answer this this
- 49:56question? Um, there's a
- 50:00there's a couple ways you could do that.
- 50:02Number one, you use the pattern that we
- 50:06just used in the Old Testament. You see
- 50:07how in the Old Testament, you don't have
- 50:09a
- 50:11God is triune one and three person. You
- 50:14don't have a text like that. You'll
- 50:15never do that. Never find that. That's
- 50:16not how we come up with our doctrine.
- 50:18Our doctrine is built on the multitude
- 50:21of scriptures on the topic and then we
- 50:24get our conclusion, right? on the
- 50:26context of scripture. So what you can
- 50:28explain is how Jesus throughout the New
- 50:31Testament demonstrates his divinity, the
- 50:35father's divinity, and the Holy Spirit's
- 50:37divinity, right? And so by default, they
- 50:40are all God, right? You have the Holy
- 50:43Spirit. He man, he goes ham on the Holy
- 50:46Spirit. Ham because Muslims see um he he
- 50:50really goes crazy with the Holy Spirit.
- 50:52um in John chapters 14:15 and 16 right
- 50:55where he talks about the spirit who
- 50:57proceeds from the father's essence
- 50:59meaning he shares the same essence as
- 51:01the father he's the same whatness of the
- 51:03father right um that's one way you could
- 51:05do it here's another way you could do it
- 51:07real fun way to do it you can ask a
- 51:09Muslim
- 51:11um can you go can you ever say that I'm
- 51:15going to go perform salat which is
- 51:17prayer in the name of Allah Jabril and
- 51:20Muhammad
- 51:21Their answer would be obviously no. You
- 51:24want to ask them why not. They said
- 51:28because that would be shock associating
- 51:31partners with Allah. We can only do
- 51:33things in the name of Allah. Excellent.
- 51:35You say I agree with you 100%. And make
- 51:38sure you do the hand signals too.
- 51:40[laughter]
- 51:41Really, you know, got to, you know,
- 51:42become all things to all people, right?
- 51:45So you that that's what you asked them,
- 51:48right? So you agree with them? Yes, I
- 51:49agree. That would be associating
- 51:52partners with Allah. So then when Jesus
- 51:55says go and baptize in the name of the
- 52:00father, the son and the holy spirit,
- 52:04you then ask them would this is this a
- 52:07statement of sherp? They have to say yes
- 52:10because Jesus just associated himself
- 52:13and the spirit with the father making
- 52:16them equal in their essence.
- 52:21Hi, Logic.
- 52:22>> What up, Tiger?
- 52:23>> What up? [laughter] Um, so I've got a
- 52:25question. So, we usually deal with the
- 52:28Unitarians, but I want to bring in the
- 52:30oneness who agree with us that Jesus is
- 52:32God.
- 52:32>> Yeah.
- 52:33>> So, two scriptures, Isaiah 9:6 and John
- 52:3614, cuz that's the one that they usually
- 52:38bring where they're like, um, so
- 52:40obviously the son is called everlasting
- 52:42father. So, they'll say that's identity.
- 52:45And then John 14 where they say, "See,
- 52:47look, Jesus said, when you see me, you
- 52:49see the father, so I'm now the father."
- 52:51How do you deal with that?
- 52:52>> Yeah.
- 52:52>> Yeah.
- 52:53>> How would you deal with that?
- 52:55>> Pray with me on the spot. [laughter]
- 52:59>> How would [snorts] you answer that,
- 53:00Tiger?
- 53:01>> Okay.
- 53:01>> Isaiah 9:6. First,
- 53:02>> Isaiah 9:6. Obviously, the question I
- 53:05would usually ask is, "Is the father a
- 53:07prince?" They would have to say no. So,
- 53:09everlasting father,
- 53:10>> what if they said yes?
- 53:13They would have to show where
- 53:15>> right there in Isaiah 96, the father is
- 53:16a prince. Clearly.
- 53:19>> Okay. So, I would um I would show them
- 53:23that everlasting father. Here the title
- 53:27is aviard. Aviard instead of aviol. So,
- 53:32it would quite literally go with the
- 53:34book in acts where it calls him, it's
- 53:36calling him the owner of everlasting.
- 53:39Yes. The same way Abraham is also called
- 53:42the father of the nations. That wouldn't
- 53:44be an identity statement. That would be
- 53:46a title. And it says a child is born, a
- 53:50son is given. It doesn't say a father is
- 53:53given. So the son came before the name.
- 53:55>> But the son is the father.
- 53:58>> So then why does it say the son was
- 54:00given and he will be called everlasting
- 54:02father? Not that he's identified.
- 54:04>> Because the son is being identified as
- 54:06the father there clearly.
- 54:08>> [laughter]
- 54:10>> cooked.
- 54:12>> That's crazy because your answer was
- 54:14really good.
- 54:15>> Um, number one, you're right.
- 54:17>> It's a quality it's describing. It's not
- 54:19describing identity, right? The
- 54:21qualities of the son. Father of
- 54:22eternity, prince of peace, wonderful
- 54:24counselor, mighty God. These are
- 54:26qualities of who this son that's given
- 54:29is. Now, you mentioned it mentions that
- 54:32the son is given. My question would be
- 54:35who gave him?
- 54:37Who gave the son
- 54:40if for something to be given that
- 54:41requires two parties, right? And that's
- 54:44what I would actually ask first. For
- 54:46something to be given that requires at
- 54:48least two parties. Is that correct? They
- 54:50would have to say yes. Or unless you
- 54:51just kick them off the stage because
- 54:52they're, you know, thanks for coming,
- 54:54man. Watch your head. Right. But it
- 54:57takes it takes at least two for one to
- 54:59be given and someone to receive. So who
- 55:02in the world is giving the son? It says
- 55:05the the son was given. who gave him?
- 55:07That's number one. Number two, the
- 55:08quality is obviously yes, it's he's he's
- 55:12the owner of everlasting, the source of
- 55:15eternal life. That's what it means to be
- 55:16the f like Abraham is the source of all
- 55:18these nations, right? So is the son the
- 55:22source of eternal life, not that he is
- 55:23the heavenly father of the person. So
- 55:26you break that down. You did that
- 55:27beautifully. That was good. You see, you
- 55:28got it. You didn't you didn't need me.
- 55:32>> Clap it up for a tiger, y'all. You know
- 55:38>> in Mark 13:32, something that keeps on
- 55:40getting thrown at us is about Jesus not
- 55:43knowing the hour.
- 55:44>> Yeah.
- 55:44>> How would you answer that?
- 55:45>> Uh, so if you go to God logic
- 55:47apologetics like [laughter]
- 55:50there's like a thousand videos.
- 55:53Ah, all right. I'll break this down
- 55:54again. Um, so Jesus not knowing the
- 55:58hour. Obviously, we know that Christ is
- 55:59all knowing. How do we know this? The
- 56:01Bible says it. John 16
- 56:04um verse 30 verse 29 and 30. Uh the
- 56:08disciple says now we know that you have
- 56:11come from God because you speak clearly.
- 56:14Now we know that you know all things.
- 56:17Jesus doesn't say hold on stop it. Hold
- 56:19a second. I don't know all things. Only
- 56:22God knows all things. He says do you now
- 56:24believe? So Jesus affirms his
- 56:27omniscience that he's all knowing. We
- 56:29have another passage John 20 where or is
- 56:32it 21? John 21 where uh Peter says Lord
- 56:37why do you keep asking me if I love you?
- 56:39You know that I love you. You know all
- 56:41things. Now this one is special because
- 56:44this context of Jesus knowing is knowing
- 56:47the heart of Peter. The Bible says that
- 56:49it's Yahweh alone who knows and searches
- 56:51the hearts of man. So Peter is appealing
- 56:54to Jesus knowing his heart. Why are you
- 56:56asking me this? You know, right? So
- 56:59another passage that Jesus knows all
- 57:01things. So the Bible is clear. Here's
- 57:04another thing. Mark literally starts off
- 57:07with Jesus being the most high God in
- 57:10chapter one. Mark chapter 1, it
- 57:13identifies Jesus as Yahweh who comes
- 57:15after his messenger is sent in the
- 57:17wilderness. Okay? Prepared way before
- 57:20me. Yahweh speaking. So Mark says that
- 57:24Jesus is Yahweh who comes after John the
- 57:26Baptist. So we already know that Jesus
- 57:29is God. He's all knowing. He's all
- 57:31powerful. He's the creator. So in no
- 57:33way, shape or form is then Mark going to
- 57:35then later demonstrate that Jesus is not
- 57:38God contextually. That makes absolutely
- 57:40no sense. So then how do we see this?
- 57:42Now in Mark 13:32, he uses the word
- 57:46oiden
- 57:47for no. He says, "No man, no one knows
- 57:51the hour, no man knows, nor the angels,
- 57:53nor the son, but the father only." The
- 57:56word oiden there for know. Contextually
- 58:00the word oiden can also be used to tell
- 58:02something to make something known to
- 58:04others. You see this example in 1
- 58:06Corinthians chapter 2 verse two. Paul
- 58:08says to the Corinthians when I came to
- 58:11you I decided to know nothing or he
- 58:15didn't except Jesus Christ and him
- 58:18crucified. Now, when Paul says, "I
- 58:20decided to know nothing," does this mean
- 58:23that Paul literally didn't know anything
- 58:25else? That he had no other knowledge?
- 58:28No. It just means when he came to the
- 58:30Corinthians, the only thing he focused
- 58:33on making known to them, declaring to
- 58:35them is the crucifixion. This is the
- 58:37gospel, right? So, we see that it could
- 58:40be used to declare something. Now,
- 58:43here's another way. Um the in Luke
- 58:46chapter 20, I I actually love this
- 58:48example. In Luke chapter 20, you have
- 58:51the uh the Sadducees and the Pharisees.
- 58:53They come to Jesus and they ask him, "By
- 58:55what authority do you do these things,
- 58:58right?" And Jesus said, "I'll tell you
- 59:02if you tell me something.
- 59:05I'll answer you if you answer me." He
- 59:07says, "Was John's baptism
- 59:11from heaven or from men?
- 59:14They reasoned upon themselves. If we say
- 59:16from heaven, then he'll say, "Then why
- 59:18didn't you believe him? If we say from
- 59:20men, then we'll get stoned because the
- 59:21people knew he was a prophet." So they
- 59:23then turn to him and say, "We don't
- 59:25know."
- 59:27And Jesus says, "Then neither will I
- 59:30tell you by what authority I do these
- 59:32things." Notice Jesus doesn't say,
- 59:34"Neither neither then I don't know
- 59:37either." But he says, "Neither will I
- 59:39tell you by which authority I do these
- 59:41things." The context is telling is
- 59:44declaring.
- 59:45So the the Sadducees the authorities are
- 59:47saying we don't want to say we don't
- 59:49want to tell you we can't say. So then
- 59:52Jesus said neither can I say neither
- 59:54will I tell you. It's mutual. You see so
- 59:57it's in telling. So it's not for anyone
- 59:59to tell the hour to declare the hour.
- 1:00:02This is for the father to do only.
- 1:00:04That's his job. Right? Now you see Jesus
- 1:00:07compares his coming to a Jewish wedding
- 1:00:09multiple times. Jesus is the bridegroom.
- 1:00:11right? Who comes? He says the bridegroom
- 1:00:13is here. Soon he will leave, but he's
- 1:00:16going to come back. The father throws uh
- 1:00:18the wedding for the son. The king throws
- 1:00:20the wedding for his son. So in Jewish
- 1:00:22wedding, it's the father that announces
- 1:00:25the wedding day, not the not the
- 1:00:26bridegroom. That's the father's
- 1:00:28authority to do so. Not that the son
- 1:00:30doesn't know his own wedding day. He has
- 1:00:32to send invites, prepare the food,
- 1:00:34prepare the feast, you know, get it all
- 1:00:36ready. They know his own. He knows his
- 1:00:37own wedding day. But out of respect for
- 1:00:39the father, humble for the father as his
- 1:00:42authority to announce it. Okay. So you
- 1:00:46see this another example. Just one last
- 1:00:47one. Acts chapter 1 guys verse 6. They
- 1:00:51asked Jesus again when he resurrected
- 1:00:52and he's about to ascend a is now the
- 1:00:54time. Is now the time where you're going
- 1:00:56to restore Israel and do all this type
- 1:00:58of stuff. Is they're asking about the
- 1:00:59hour again? He says it's not for you to
- 1:01:03know. This time he uses a different
- 1:01:05Greek word. It's not oiden anymore. I
- 1:01:07forgot what it was though. Sorry, but
- 1:01:09it's a different Greek word here. He
- 1:01:10says, "It's not for you to know the
- 1:01:13times or the seasons that the father has
- 1:01:15fixed by his own authority."
- 1:01:18Okay? Not for you to know. So, that's
- 1:01:21how we answer that. So, Jesus isn't
- 1:01:23ignorant of his own hour. It's not for
- 1:01:25him to declare.
- 1:01:26>> Okay. Last question.
- 1:01:28>> Hi, Logic.
- 1:01:29>> What's up?
- 1:01:30>> My name is Faithful. Uh, nice to meet
- 1:01:32you.
- 1:01:32>> Nice to meet you. Um so this is how I
- 1:01:35understood the trinity back in Ghana
- 1:01:37when I was a kid when I was a child. Um
- 1:01:39I mean if you read the book of Genesis
- 1:01:41it says that God made us in his image
- 1:01:43and I know that according to the Bible
- 1:01:45we are we are a spirit being we have a
- 1:01:47soul and we function with a body on
- 1:01:49earth. So can we say that with that
- 1:01:51knowledge God has to have a since we we
- 1:01:54were made in God God's image God has to
- 1:01:56have a certain kind of uh being similar
- 1:01:58to ours which I mean I mean we we are
- 1:02:02like a spirit being right and we have a
- 1:02:04soul functioning on the earth with the
- 1:02:05body so some way somehow God has to have
- 1:02:07that kind of uh same image that he made
- 1:02:09us in I don't know if uh that that
- 1:02:13>> are you here
- 1:02:15>> IP raise your hand
- 1:02:16>> yeah so this is before like any of these
- 1:02:18these verses, you know, and all these
- 1:02:20things that you've taught us uh came in
- 1:02:22actually. So, I don't know. Yeah,
- 1:02:25>> I I heard I got you, brother. Is it
- 1:02:26inspiring philosophy here?
- 1:02:29>> Did you hear? Did you hear him?
- 1:02:31>> Did you hear his Did you hear him? He
- 1:02:33said to explain the trinity, you know?
- 1:02:36Uh can we use like we're mind, body, and
- 1:02:38spirit, you know? Uh what what is that?
- 1:02:40What is that called?
- 1:02:44That's partialism of Patrick.
- 1:02:48>> The reason why we can't use that example
- 1:02:52is because that's partialism Patrick and
- 1:02:55modalism as well because now you're
- 1:02:57saying that so the mind, body, and
- 1:02:59spirit, these are parts of the human
- 1:03:01nature. They're not fully human. The the
- 1:03:04you know, they together make up the
- 1:03:06whole. So if you're going to compare
- 1:03:08that to God, the father, son, and
- 1:03:09spirit, you're going to say that the
- 1:03:10father is only part of God. The son is
- 1:03:12part of God. The spirit is part of God.
- 1:03:14They themselves aren't fully God or
- 1:03:17truly God. Right? So that's why that
- 1:03:18doesn't work. These analogies guys don't
- 1:03:21do that. Just don't do it. Okay? Um so
- 1:03:25the father, son, and spirit, they are
- 1:03:27fully truly God. All right? There's no
- 1:03:30partialism in the divine essence. You
- 1:03:32can't split them up or put a piece of
- 1:03:34godhood here and piece of godhood there.
- 1:03:36They're not a third of God. Each person
- 1:03:39fully possesses the divine essence.
- 1:03:41Okay. Unlike mind, body, and soul.
- 1:03:45All right. Looks like that's it, y'all.
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