»Ich konnte an ein Leben nach dem Tod nicht glauben, bis …« | Thomas Wenk im Gespräch — Transcript
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- 0:01Really, the first three or four days, I
- 0:03didn't want to go on living, that was
- 0:05everything and it was hardly any
- 0:07different from anyone else. Then Fritz
- 0:10sat at our kitchen table and said that
- 0:11everything is fine, that he is doing
- 0:13well. That was so clear, I haven't
- 0:15forgotten a single second of that dream
- 0:17. Then Fritz, that's the son's name,
- 0:22came through and gave me information
- 0:26for two hours, such details that I
- 0:30really couldn't have known. Yes,
- 0:34and from then on the world was
- 0:35different. Ms. Winkel provided us with
- 0:37one piece of information after another
- 0:39for two and a half hours. Among other
- 0:42things, that our son had to stop
- 0:43playing soccer at 12 years old.
- 0:45What did she know at that time? Mr.
- 1:07Wenk, some time ago you lost your then
- 1:1016-year-old son under tragic
- 1:12circumstances. That turned your life
- 1:16upside down, as you told me beforehand,
- 1:18but you were then able to experience
- 1:20some very impressive contacts from
- 1:22beyond, partly also with the help of
- 1:24mediums. I would like to talk to you
- 1:28about all of that, but first ask you to
- 1:30remember again, how did your son's
- 1:31death come about? What exactly happened
- 1:34back then? I didn't really grasp it at
- 1:36the time. I was just about to finish
- 1:39work, it was 4:35 or 4:40 PM, and I was
- 1:42heading home. We have a small craft
- 1:44business on the farm and I wanted to
- 1:46see what had happened during the day.
- 1:47And someone called me, had already
- 1:49called three times. Fritz fell at the
- 1:52fire station. I didn't think anything
- 1:55of it, I thought he just tripped or
- 1:56something. I spoke with the foreman
- 1:57first and said I'd head over there.
- 2:00When I got to the fire station, there
- 2:01was already a huge crowd, an ambulance,
- 2:03everything was there. My wife and my
- 2:05other son were already standing there,
- 2:07and I joined them; my wife said, "Fritz
- 2:09has something with his heart and the
- 2:11emergency doctor is here and they are
- 2:12trying to resuscitate him."
- 2:14Mhm.
- 2:15And that took about half an hour to
- 2:16forty-five minutes, maybe an hour.
- 2:18There was also a trained first
- 2:21responder on site immediately. But I
- 2:23only learned the full extent of that
- 2:25later.
- 2:27And they tried for an hour in the
- 2:28ambulance, then said there was really
- 2:30no point anymore, but because he was
- 2:32such a young person, they would take
- 2:33him to the clinic and try everything
- 2:35there. Then I first took care of our
- 2:38eleven-year-old daughter and waited
- 2:42until my mother came home and then I
- 2:44drove here. My wife was in the
- 2:47ambulance and when I uh arrived at the
- 2:49clinic in Suhl, my wife came toward me
- 2:52and said the doctors just told me that
- 2:55Fritz didn't make it.
- 2:57And that was completely out of the blue
- 2:59.
- 2:59He was completely healthy.
- 3:01He had started a new school, was really
- 3:03into life, had plans, was just in the
- 3:05process of finding his own way and
- 3:07really, he wanted to go to Japan, he
- 3:09wanted that, he was truly the happiest
- 3:11he had ever been in his life at that
- 3:13time. We had also just really found a
- 3:16foundation with each other, we were
- 3:17right in the middle of it. We wanted to
- 3:19drive together to his school, which is
- 3:2130 km away. We now had common interests
- 3:24that we could talk about, and my wife
- 3:26picked him up from his internship in
- 3:28the afternoon. He was then, she wanted
- 3:30to drive him to volleyball practice. He
- 3:32said, no, Mom, I'll walk. Uh, he helped
- 3:35his sister with music or math homework,
- 3:37which he never did, took a lot of time
- 3:39for it, and then left and walked out
- 3:41the door. The neighbors all saw him
- 3:43running. So he was in a hurry. He went
- 3:46over an iron bridge across the train
- 3:48tracks, down the bridge, and he must
- 3:50have stumbled right in front of the
- 3:51fire station. There are people who say
- 3:55he grabbed his left thigh, dragged
- 3:56himself a bit, but then fell down and,
- 3:58yeah.
- 4:00So was it actually a fall or what? Well
- 4:03, the fall probably resulted from heart
- 4:06failure, and yeah, then we were in the
- 4:09hospital and were allowed to see him
- 4:11one more time, and then it was, yeah,
- 4:14that was it, it was over, we went home,
- 4:16and then of course our world collapsed.
- 4:20Especially because this close
- 4:21relationship uh was just developing.
- 4:23Well, because it's your own child and
- 4:25because you never expect something like
- 4:27this, because we had plans for the year
- 4:29and because we really–maybe we
- 4:31already did a lot together, but it had
- 4:33actually become more intense and we
- 4:35were just on the right path and had
- 4:37slowly started to...
- 4:38Father and son.
- 4:39It was like a family unit, that we were
- 4:41really getting closer and that we had
- 4:42such resilient things that were really
- 4:44only good for us, and we were moving
- 4:46more and more from the outside to the
- 4:48inside.
- 4:48And then it came out of the blue.
- 4:50What did you do in that situation? You
- 4:52had to comfort others too, somehow.
- 4:55I was lying on the sofa, and for the
- 4:57first few days I had this impulse, like
- 4:59, what am I still doing here? My wife
- 5:02and I, we were lying on the sofa. My
- 5:05older son, he was always out, he didn't
- 5:08want to come home, he was constantly
- 5:10away, and our daughter, I think she was
- 5:13ten at the time, basically kept us
- 5:16alive. She cooked for us, she did
- 5:19crafts, she made really beautiful
- 5:20things for Fritz with five stones and
- 5:22truly comforted us.
- 5:25And then it happened relatively quickly
- 5:28, what others also report, people we
- 5:31had supposedly been friends with for
- 5:34years. Went into hiding, and people we
- 5:37didn't really have much to do with
- 5:39called us, and I don't want to say
- 5:41harassed, but they called us constantly
- 5:42, and every single one of them who
- 5:47spoke to us helped us. We realized that
- 5:50every word that is sincere provides
- 5:53comfort and helps us, but those first
- 5:56three, four days, I didn't want to go
- 5:59on living, it was all just
- 6:02hiding, because there was simply an
- 6:04inability to deal with the subject.
- 6:05Yes, I don't know. It turns out now
- 6:08that there are many acquaintances,
- 6:10friendships that were on a level with
- 6:12no depth, where you occupied yourself
- 6:14with things that don't matter anymore.
- 6:18Even now, after a year and 5 months, I
- 6:20ask myself why I wasted my life so
- 6:22pointlessly until then, busying myself
- 6:25with distractions that are totally
- 6:27meaningless, and there is so much to
- 6:29discover now,
- 6:31that I say, that is nothing, and
- 6:34luckily, many people have entered our
- 6:36lives. Three weeks ago, when we were
- 6:38working in the garden, I said to my
- 6:40wife for the first time, the worst
- 6:41thing that could happen has happened,
- 6:43that our Fritz is no longer here. But
- 6:45since Fritz has been gone, we have
- 6:46actually only experienced good things.
- 6:48Everything has turned for the better.
- 6:51Looking back, do you have the
- 6:53impression that in the last few days or
- 6:56in the time before this event, there
- 6:58was a noticeable change in your son,
- 7:01that he showed something in his
- 7:03behavior that was never the case before
- 7:06? It wasn't in the last, it wasn't
- 7:09really noticeable, but in the last six
- 7:11months, ever since he changed schools,
- 7:13he had become significantly more active
- 7:15and interested. He drove to Dizzausen
- 7:17on his own, signed up for boxing
- 7:19training, and was really active; he was
- 7:21, perhaps for the first time in his
- 7:22life, truly self-determined, happy, and
- 7:24content. He spent much more time with
- 7:27his grandparents in the last few weeks
- 7:28before that. On the Sunday before it
- 7:32happened, I was also at my parents '
- 7:34house for lunch with my daughter. He
- 7:36was sleeping, as always. I was really
- 7:38furious then. Fritz, you’re just
- 7:39staying here. Then he came over later.
- 7:42He was totally relaxed. As if nothing
- 7:44had happened, we went for a really nice
- 7:45walk with the dog. We also took the
- 7:47photos there that we all draw strength
- 7:48from now. With the dog in the woods,
- 7:50sitting nicely. Those are the pictures
- 7:52we use everywhere now and have. Almost
- 7:54as if we had done one last photo shoot
- 7:56to say goodbye. I ask because I have
- 7:59already spoken with some bereaved
- 8:02parents, and some report that, in
- 8:06retrospect, there was some kind of
- 8:09striking development, a maturing
- 8:12process in the child, where they
- 8:15appeared especially self-confident,
- 8:18wise, and capable of love. It was in
- 8:22the sense that he truly developed
- 8:23self-confidence and a self-determined
- 8:25path; he became increasingly clear, but
- 8:27it wasn’t a sudden shift or a
- 8:28development that came out of nowhere.
- 8:31It hinted at itself very slowly, and he
- 8:33was
- 8:33actually, quite naturally, a
- 8:34development.
- 8:35Yes, it was different from our other
- 8:36children and also different from what
- 8:38I’ve observed in many other kids. He
- 8:40was just—or in retrospect, I already
- 8:42had the impression back then that his
- 8:44aura had developed massively in the
- 8:46last year of his life. He used to be
- 8:49the inconspicuous one who sometimes had
- 8:50a bit of a hard time in the classes he
- 8:52was in. But especially in the last six
- 8:54months, wherever Fritz went, he was
- 8:56present; he developed such a presence,
- 8:58but it happened piece by piece and not
- 9:00in a way where I could say it only
- 9:02started two weeks before he passed.
- 9:04How did you and your wife continue from
- 9:06there? What helped you with the
- 9:08grieving process? That was just after
- 9:11two days. For some reason, I—we have
- 9:14an acquaintance in Dresden, and I
- 9:16called him—we were lying on the sofa,
- 9:18and he said to our daughter, "Fritz,
- 9:19that’s not true, he’s in heaven and
- 9:21is watching from above, looking out for
- 9:23you." And naturally, we couldn't accept
- 9:27it at all, but our daughter said, "Look
- 9:29, Dad, Fritz is in heaven." And then,
- 9:32she slowly...you weren't really
- 9:34religiously or spiritually oriented at
- 9:36all, nothing, nothing. I didn't rule
- 9:39anything out. I think that's called
- 9:41agnosticism or something like that. I
- 9:42didn't rule anything out, but I also
- 9:44didn't give it any thought. But then,
- 9:47after we spoke on the phone with
- 9:49Torsten Frank, two days later, people
- 9:51were suddenly at our kitchen table whom
- 9:54we knew, but who were never there
- 9:55otherwise. And then, two days later, it
- 9:58started; a successful businessman from
- 10:00Sul started telling us about the Book
- 10:02of Life that is already written. That
- 10:03was completely new territory for me.
- 10:06Then a medical doctor, a surgeon, told
- 10:08us about the Palm Leaf Library and
- 10:10shared how he was there in person when
- 10:13a young girl collapsed in a gym and
- 10:15afterwards reported exactly who had
- 10:17what in their lab coat pockets. For me,
- 10:21because I had always been so curious
- 10:23beforehand, that was the straw I
- 10:25grabbed onto. So I went for it; I spent
- 10:29weeks lying on the sofa, looking
- 10:30everywhere, soaking up information. We
- 10:34also quickly found a funeral celebrant,
- 10:36who I met through some supposed
- 10:38coincidences, who was already retired,
- 10:40and I thought, if she's retired, she
- 10:42must do her work because she loves it.
- 10:46She sat at our table, I told her about
- 10:47it, and she said to me, "Well, Mr. Wenk
- 10:49, if that helps you, then you have to
- 10:50believe in it." I nearly jumped out of
- 10:52my skin and said, "Ms. [Name], I won't
- 10:54say the name, you've been doing this
- 10:56for 50 years; either you know there is
- 10:58something there, or you don't believe
- 10:59in it." And if you don't believe in it,
- 11:01then tell me clearly. Otherwise, we
- 11:02might as well stop right here. My wife
- 11:04would have preferred to sink into the
- 11:07floor, but we cleared the air, and
- 11:09after that, we talked to each other,
- 11:11and then I really grabbed every straw I
- 11:13could reach and, like the
- 11:14hunter-gatherers of the past, I simply
- 11:16hunted for information and collected
- 11:19data.
- 11:19With the gut feeling that there is
- 11:21something there, with the hope. At the
- 11:23beginning, it was hope.
- 11:23Yes.
- 11:24We were sitting then. For example, at
- 11:26the funeral home and naturally, we were
- 11:29supposed to say something. And this
- 11:32lady says: "Wend, you phrased that so
- 11:34beautifully, wouldn't you like to write
- 11:35a paragraph like that for the speech?"
- 11:38And that felt like a hammer blow to me:
- 11:40"Dad, you should be able to write that
- 11:41little bit yourself and tell it
- 11:43yourself, too." And for me, that was
- 11:45the clear mandate: You write it
- 11:46yourself. Then we held the ceremony 6
- 11:48weeks later, and I just gave the speech
- 11:51, telling myself that if I broke down
- 11:53after two sentences, then so be it.
- 11:55Then it is what it is, but at least I
- 11:57tried. For me, it was like an
- 11:59obligation to my child; that everything
- 12:01I had missed out on in life, I could
- 12:03now at least try to make up for bit by
- 12:05bit.
- 12:05Mhm.
- 12:06And then I spoke for half an hour, and
- 12:08with the knowledge I had back then, I
- 12:10also said that I do not accept that my
- 12:12child is dead as long as I have no
- 12:14proof. Mhm.
- 12:15And that was essentially the core of it
- 12:17.
- 12:18How did it continue from there until
- 12:20you were open to phenomena that are
- 12:22described as afterlife contacts? I was
- 12:26already open to it. I just couldn't
- 12:27believe it. I just couldn't believe it,
- 12:30but after it was said that way—the
- 12:32signs were simply too clear—and now,
- 12:34to jump ahead, I truly believe through
- 12:36the experiences we've gathered, that
- 12:38yes, we as souls tick similarly to how
- 12:40we do here on Earth. And I think to
- 12:43myself, if I'm just as much of a
- 12:45chatterbox there as I am here, then as
- 12:47a soul, I probably had it written into
- 12:49my contract that if I have to suffer
- 12:50this fate, then I want to be given
- 12:52decent signs that I can read. And we
- 12:56had—we have 2,000 residents in the
- 12:58place where Fritz fell, and the moment
- 13:00he fell, a trained Bundeswehr first
- 13:02responder was driving by. This trained
- 13:05first responder saw my son fall. Fritz
- 13:08wasn't even on the ground yet before he
- 13:10was already receiving qualified heart
- 13:12massage. I also cannot confirm that
- 13:14there is no civil courage in our
- 13:16country. Everyone who was there tried
- 13:17to help. People brought blankets, were
- 13:19worried, comforted us, and tried
- 13:21everything for Fritz. The ambulance
- 13:23arrived after 7 or 8 minutes.
- 13:25So there was nothing where you could
- 13:27blame anyone, right? None at all. On
- 13:29the contrary, we saw that the world is
- 13:31much better than it is portrayed,
- 13:32because in the emergency ambulance sat
- 13:34a trained pediatrician. At the clinic
- 13:37in Suhl, the chief physician, they all
- 13:39—they just couldn't grasp that our
- 13:41child
- 13:43is no longer here, because actually, he
- 13:45had better care than in the intensive
- 13:47care unit. And were there any signs or
- 13:51coincidences that convinced you that he
- 13:54might live on in another form?
- 13:59I clung to that hope and tried to
- 14:00really collect facts, since we are
- 14:02practically tradesmen, and as a
- 14:03tradesman, I’ve prided myself for
- 14:05years: we don’t look for who’s to
- 14:07blame, we solve the problem first, and
- 14:09then we clarify who is at fault.
- 14:12And I now view that exactly as
- 14:14preparation, as training for this
- 14:16situation. And it was exactly the same
- 14:19there. I just kept on collecting things
- 14:21, and then there was this glow of fire
- 14:23that looked like a face with a tail on
- 14:25it. And that was actually the first
- 14:27clear sign we had.
- 14:30That was the first time I said, yes,
- 14:31there is something there, and perhaps
- 14:33that was the first qualified, the
- 14:35qualified hint that we could lean on.
- 14:38But to be able to seriously believe in
- 14:40this, you need a thousand pieces of
- 14:42evidence, and one piece of evidence, or
- 14:44supposed evidence, that says the
- 14:46opposite throws you right back again.
- 14:49Did you have the very concrete
- 14:51impression that your son was also
- 14:53trying to make contact through signs
- 14:55that were recognizable or palpable to
- 14:58you?
- 14:59Yes, I really did. But when you are
- 15:02just looking for arguments, for real,
- 15:07reliable evidence, then it is always
- 15:10hard to say, yes, this is—but when I
- 15:12look back at it in retrospect, a medium
- 15:18from Lenkfeld also said, "Fritz will
- 15:20make his presence known on the day of
- 15:22his service, and you won't be able to
- 15:24miss it."
- 15:25That was before the funeral.
- 15:26Before the funeral. The funeral was six
- 15:28weeks later, and on that day—well,
- 15:30it’s still a bit much for me to
- 15:32process. On that day, there were these
- 15:34sonic booms in Germany—it was in the
- 15:36newspapers back then—these supposed
- 15:38ones where it really banged, and no one
- 15:40could explain it. The press says it was
- 15:42a sonic boom near us. And at the exact
- 15:44moment it banged, a former Bundeswehr
- 15:46soldier who had served in Afghanistan
- 15:48was standing at our door, dropping off
- 15:50a two-meter-tall ginkgo tree, and at
- 15:51that very moment, it banged, at 6
- 15:53o'clock in the evening. And he says, "
- 15:55That was no supersonic aircraft in a
- 15:57thousand years." And that was such a
- 16:00sign, which is actually impossible to
- 16:02beat in terms of clarity, but where I
- 16:03say: The scale and the dimension–I
- 16:05would like to believe it, but it’s
- 16:09quite a big deal if that’s how it was
- 16:11done. Then there were just many other
- 16:13little things. The teacher, his primary
- 16:15school teacher, overslept on the day of
- 16:17the ceremony. She then felt that Fritz
- 16:20was shaking her awake and had
- 16:21practically seen Fritz when she got up.
- 16:24I got up and then there was a glorious
- 16:26sunrise, like I had never seen before.
- 16:29But I still don’t know if I can
- 16:30really interpret that as a sign or if
- 16:31I’m just imagining it. Because the
- 16:33last thing I want to do is talk myself
- 16:35into a situation just because it helps
- 16:37me. That is simply not our approach.
- 16:40And uh, they had—this is how I
- 16:43interpret it—signs that they couldn't
- 16:46definitively evaluate, but they wanted
- 16:49more, they wanted certainty, and that
- 16:52was probably the reason they turned to
- 16:55a medium.
- 16:57That was also, yes, like so many of
- 16:59these strange stories. I then started
- 17:02lying on the sofa for days and watching
- 17:04all sorts of things about afterlife
- 17:06contacts and everything. And then I was
- 17:09lying on the sofa on a Saturday or
- 17:11Sunday afternoon and there was some
- 17:12report by an American who was saying
- 17:14something. The library is 5 km long,
- 17:17clear lake and glittering and beautiful
- 17:19and all, where I said: "Typical,
- 17:20they’ve lost their marbles," and
- 17:22actually wanted to turn it off. And
- 17:26then—and that was the first truly
- 17:28decisive moment—a young, blonde girl
- 17:30comes on in a flannel shirt and they do
- 17:33an interview about little Luna Annika
- 17:35Scheller.
- 17:37And I watched it and that was this
- 17:39Annika, she looked so authentic in the
- 17:41video and I couldn't grasp it at all
- 17:43and that was actually, like, the first
- 17:45milestone.
- 17:47Then I go for a walk with the dog,
- 17:48write Annika a message. Two hours later
- 17:50, a message comes from Annika, yes, we
- 17:53can do it either on the 13th of January
- 17:55or next week. Said, naturally next week
- 17:57. Then we did astral travel via Annika
- 18:00and so on, and also had an experience.
- 18:02So I had an intense dream then, that
- 18:04Fritz, so that was the astral travel
- 18:07after, I had this one and that was
- 18:09hardly different from all the others.
- 18:11Then Fritz was sitting at our kitchen
- 18:14table, I stood up, he was sitting there
- 18:16in a red hoodie and looked at me,
- 18:19apologized to me for leaving us so
- 18:21suddenly and said that everything is
- 18:24fine, that he is doing well. Beige
- 18:26pants, a really bright, vibrant red
- 18:27hoodie, he said that everything is fine
- 18:29, that everything is beautiful, that he
- 18:31is doing well and that we don't need to
- 18:33worry, and it was—I don't know, it
- 18:35was so clear, I haven't forgotten a
- 18:36single second of that moment in that
- 18:38room.
- 18:39I mean, in terms of quality and deep
- 18:40intensity, it was something very, very
- 18:41special—just like how you are sitting
- 18:43here, that’s how it was. I then went
- 18:45over to him, got down on my knees,
- 18:47pressed myself into his side, and then
- 18:50the moment was over, but it was still
- 18:52such a, such a sign.
- 18:54And then it continued, Annika Scheller
- 18:56recommended Miriam Winkler to us. I
- 18:59wrote, "Dear Ms. Winkler," because the
- 19:01appointments were booked, "Dear Ms.
- 19:03Winkler, my son is..."
- 19:04She works as a medium. Yes. And then
- 19:07she wrote back in her, well, snappy way
- 19:09, "Uh, dear Mr. Weng, I actually wanted
- 19:12to say all that myself, but he is
- 19:15creative." I want to come up with
- 19:16something. And then, six weeks after
- 19:18what happened on December 20th...We got
- 19:20an appointment with Ms. Winkler and
- 19:22drove to Hüffenhardt, and from then on
- 19:24, the world was different. Ms. Winkler
- 19:27provided us with one piece of
- 19:28information after another for two and a
- 19:30half hours, among other things, that
- 19:32our son had to stop playing soccer at
- 19:34age 12. What did she know at the time?
- 19:37Nothing, absolutely nothing, except
- 19:38that my son was 16, that his name was
- 19:39Fritz, and that he had an accident on
- 19:41the way to...
- 19:41You told her that.
- 19:43Well, but they don't even want to know
- 19:44that. She scolded me for telling her
- 19:46that. And we were sitting there and she
- 19:49starts, and one thing after another.
- 19:51She told us that Fritz wasn't a typical
- 19:53teenager, that he preferred listening
- 19:54to classical music over anything else.
- 19:57That's true, that he had exactly two
- 19:58friends, and then about his feet, she
- 20:00said, "Your son had to stop soccer
- 20:02because he had a problem with his feet,
- 20:04" and Fritz really did have surgery,
- 20:06had screws in his feet, and had to stop
- 20:07playing soccer for that reason.
- 20:10And those were just a few examples; it
- 20:12lasted two hours, a real firework of
- 20:14arguments, and when we drove away, just
- 20:16before Christmas, I saw life in my
- 20:18wife's eyes again for the first time.
- 20:20She finally had hope for the first time
- 20:22. She called her mother, talked to her
- 20:24for an hour, and was completely
- 20:25thrilled and beside herself. And then,
- 20:29after the appointment with Winkler at
- 20:32the latest, we were completely on track
- 20:35, and from that moment on, the belief
- 20:38that it could be this way
- 20:40or that it is this way, that belief
- 20:42took the upper hand at that point. In
- 20:45contacts with mediums, it is often
- 20:48alleged by critics and skeptics that
- 20:51mediums just say things that can be
- 20:54gathered through what is known as cold
- 20:57reading. Perhaps you can report a few
- 21:01details from the conversation that
- 21:03impressed you particularly, where a
- 21:04sense of certainty opened up for you.
- 21:08Yes, that was the feet, for example.
- 21:10And then she also clearly said, "Fritz
- 21:12is clutching his heart." She sees that
- 21:15he was on the ground immediately. She
- 21:17sees that his soul was out of his body
- 21:18before he hit the ground. She sees that
- 21:21helpers were there immediately, in the
- 21:22very first moment. She sees a street
- 21:25and public transport, and across from
- 21:26the fire station is the bus station and
- 21:28the train station. She sees that he was
- 21:32in an ambulance immediately, that first
- 21:35aid was there, that—that we couldn't
- 21:37have done anything.
- 21:40So, she told you everything that
- 21:42happened to him herself, yes,
- 21:45without her being able to know that.
- 21:46Yes. And then, many other things from
- 21:48his life that are just as accurate. He
- 21:50was a bit—well, he was actually
- 21:51relatively mature for his age in terms
- 21:53of his thoughts. As I said, he
- 21:55preferred going to the theater over
- 21:58other kinds of things. He wasn't part
- 22:00of any real gang. He was completely on
- 22:02his way to finding his path, and she
- 22:04described Fritz's essence to us just as
- 22:06he really was, or is, I would think.
- 22:09That naturally brought about a
- 22:11significant change in your worldview.
- 22:14Did you have the feeling of more
- 22:16intensive contact after that, how are
- 22:18you doing today? Yes, today I can tell
- 22:22you, I feel like, at times, it wasn't
- 22:24Fritz who died, but me. I feel almost
- 22:27like a DHL courier. Without me being
- 22:30able to interpret why it happens, I get
- 22:31impulses from Fritz.
- 22:33and just say it out loud and then we'll
- 22:36,
- 22:37so you feel permanent contact.
- 22:40I now say, I I even talk my way out of
- 22:42every crazy idea with my wife and say,
- 22:44that was Fritz, not me. And also
- 22:46because you have that with this medial
- 22:48world, with the co-reading. We, we are
- 22:51also lucky that we really, well we know
- 22:53now, we have practically four mediums
- 22:55with whom we also have normal contact
- 22:57through various other activities as
- 22:59well, and these are all authentic women
- 23:01who have another job on the side and
- 23:03who really deliver facts, and we have
- 23:05had contact with all four of them once
- 23:08and since then nothing drives us
- 23:09anymore. So we don't even ask them
- 23:12about Fritz anymore. Sometimes they say
- 23:13, Fritz is here and that also makes it
- 23:15authentic and sometimes they say, is
- 23:17Fritz here? No, not today. And for me,
- 23:19it's still in the foreground, I want
- 23:22this, what the work they do, to become
- 23:25the new reality, and for it to be the
- 23:27new reality, my mission is, I see it as
- 23:30my mission to reach as many people as
- 23:33possible. I don't have to go to 20
- 23:35mediums, because for myself, I know
- 23:36what my truth is. But the more people
- 23:39come to this topic out of the blue, and
- 23:41I notice or I sense that this is
- 23:43becoming a broader topic among the
- 23:45population, that the willingness for it
- 23:47is becoming more open—but I just need
- 23:49results. And everyone, well I compare
- 23:52it to driving an automatic: everyone
- 23:53who doesn't drive an automatic
- 23:55complains: "I don't need an automatic."
- 23:57Once they have driven an automatic,
- 23:58they say: "It's not that bad," and 90
- 24:00percent stick with it. And it's the
- 24:02same principle with this medial work
- 24:03and changing one's worldview. Everyone
- 24:06who deals with it, everyone who really
- 24:07opens up to this topic.
- 24:09How are you yourself doing with your
- 24:11grief today?
- 24:13Well, it's there are phases where I
- 24:15where we also fall into a hole, but
- 24:18it's like an amplitude, the peaks
- 24:20upwards are still there, but these
- 24:22valleys are no longer as deep. So, we
- 24:25are now actually always above zero. You
- 24:27know it will pass.
- 24:29Yes, because I now also know, whenever
- 24:31the situation seems most hopeless, so
- 24:33whenever I really think, there's no way
- 24:35forward, I rely on getting a hint on
- 24:37how to continue. And I have to say once
- 24:40again: without your channel, without
- 24:42Tanatus TV, we would never have come on
- 24:44this path to finding any direction at
- 24:45all, because you practically bridge the
- 24:48gap between our real world and this
- 24:49spiritual world with your reports on
- 24:51near-death experiences. And you make it
- 24:53imaginable and tangible, and anyone who
- 24:55opens themselves up and watches four or
- 24:57five reports on Tanatus TV, well, it
- 24:59gets etched into them. The more often I
- 25:01watch it, the stronger my belief in it
- 25:03becomes. And in my view, this
- 25:04development is something everyone has
- 25:06to go through for themselves. I can't
- 25:08do it the way you do. I can offer a
- 25:11platform, can say, take a look at this,
- 25:13and then it spreads on its own, I
- 25:15believe. I wish you all the best for
- 25:18your activities in this direction.
- 25:21Thank you very much for your openness
- 25:23in sharing your experiences. Thanks for
- 25:26the gu
- 25:26great pleasure, and I would also like
- 25:27to thank you again for your work. I
- 25:30believe you cannot even begin to gauge
- 25:32what you are achieving and how much
- 25:34positive energy you are bringing into
- 25:36the world, because it is simply of
- 25:38invaluable worth.
- 25:40That is very kind. The commercial break
- 25:42was long enough now.
- 25:43Quality prevails without advertising.
- 25:45So thank you very much, Mr. Wenk, for
- 25:47you and your wife. Thank you. Uh,
- 25:55my first contact with the Wenk family
- 25:57was that I received an email. Uh, I
- 26:01can't repeat the exact wording now, but
- 26:04the email said: "Dear Ms. Winkler, we
- 26:07have an emergency. Um, my son has
- 26:10suddenly passed into the spirit world.
- 26:15Um, and I read on your homepage that
- 26:17you don't have any free appointments
- 26:18for the next six months. But it also
- 26:22says. In case of emergencies, we are
- 26:24welcome to email you, and that's why
- 26:26this email is here. And um, I think it
- 26:30came in November, that email, and I was
- 26:34really, uh, booked solid for the year.
- 26:39So. And then I tuned into it. It really
- 26:42is an emergency. Yes. And then the son
- 26:46arrived. He mentioned it, unfortunately
- 26:48, in the email. Um, yes, my son has
- 26:51passed into the spirit world, even
- 26:54though it says in big letters on my
- 26:56homepage that I want neither
- 26:58information about the client contacting
- 27:01me, nor about the deceased—absolutely
- 27:04no information. And Mr. Wenk was very
- 27:06generous, though. Well, I had to, in
- 27:10that case, you know, passed away
- 27:12suddenly, and then I tuned into it and
- 27:15I received the impulse that it was
- 27:17really important to do it before
- 27:19Christmas, and then I wrote back to the
- 27:22Wenk family. Um Looking back, it sounds
- 27:27very cheeky. Um, yes, dear Mr. Wenk,
- 27:31there is actually already information
- 27:33contained in this email. Your son
- 27:36actually wanted to share it with me as
- 27:39proof, but he is creative. You get an
- 27:42appointment, I believe it was shortly
- 27:45before Christmas, the 22nd. or 21st.
- 27:49December. Um, but only if you come here
- 27:52to me on-site. And an email came back
- 27:57immediately saying, we will take the
- 27:59appointment, and I wrote into the email
- 28:01, please do not share any more
- 28:03information with me until this
- 28:04appointment, neither about yourself nor
- 28:06about your child. And yes, the Wenk
- 28:11family then, so he and his wife—and
- 28:17their son's transition was only two
- 28:20months ago at most—very much in grief
- 28:24, um, energy-wise very closed off, very
- 28:27agitated. And yes, I was naturally also
- 28:31a bit under pressure because I already
- 28:34knew two or three pieces of information
- 28:36, which would have already been great
- 28:38proof. would have been, yes, for me and
- 28:40for the son. Yes, and then it was Fritz
- 28:50came, that's the son's name, and he
- 28:54gave me information for two hours, such
- 28:58details that I really could not have
- 29:02known. Yes. Um, I knew he had collapsed
- 29:06on the way to volleyball practice, and
- 29:09um, your son then showed me, um, that
- 29:12he had played soccer in the past and,
- 29:14for example, couldn't play anymore
- 29:17because he had something wrong with his
- 29:20foot. He had a deformity in his foot.
- 29:22Yes, and he showed me something like a
- 29:25screw or a plate. And that was, for my
- 29:27mind at the time, like, I don't
- 29:29understand this. He was on the way to
- 29:31volleyball practice, and now he is
- 29:32telling me he shouldn't actually be
- 29:34doing any sports at all. And um, that's
- 29:37when I learned: Okay, just set your
- 29:39mind aside. And the information was
- 29:43correct, yes, about his health issues,
- 29:46which I, even as a child—which I also
- 29:49couldn't have known. And the family sat
- 29:53there completely perplexed, um, went
- 29:59into such healing, so close to tears,
- 30:02also the wife, who was still more
- 30:05closed off, so denser in her energy and
- 30:07was in even more grief than her husband
- 30:10. Um and we then also immediately, I
- 30:15remember this, wrote with Fritz. I have
- 30:17a writing planchette, a writing
- 30:20instrument, and uh showed them how the
- 30:23spirit world can also communicate via a
- 30:26writing medium. And in the end, my
- 30:30partner cooked for me that evening, I
- 30:32still remember that, and I actually had
- 30:35a time limit, but Fritz kept us in
- 30:37conversation for so long, um, that the
- 30:39Wenk family eventually said, um, don't
- 30:41you actually need to go home? And then
- 30:44I said, yes, I do. So the food was
- 30:46overcooked by then, yeah? And I had
- 30:50some stress with my partner, but, um,
- 30:53it was worth it, because the family
- 30:55told me afterward, you saved our
- 30:58Christmas, yes, without you. And Mr.
- 31:03Wenk also stands by that and says, I
- 31:05believe I wouldn't be here anymore.
- 31:08Because I wanted to follow my son. And
- 31:12then I also understood why it was so
- 31:14important to the son. Um, to definitely
- 31:17have this appointment before Christmas.
- 31:21Um, he showed me afterward, among other
- 31:24things, he says, Miriam, take a look at
- 31:26my chest. And I say, oh for God's sake,
- 31:29Fritz, what did they do to your chest?
- 31:33Um, and then he says, they resuscitated
- 31:36me to death. And yes, that's how it
- 31:40turned out, they resuscitated him for
- 31:43an hour and a half and he says to me,
- 31:45Miriam, what do people think is left of
- 31:47me when I come back into the body after
- 31:50an hour and a half? I would have been
- 31:55mentally no longer the same, physically
- 31:57no longer the same. Um, and questioned
- 32:01exactly such situations. Question
- 32:05emergency medicine. So, I actually get
- 32:10to learn in every contact with the
- 32:12beyond, and I also took an incredible
- 32:15amount away for myself from Fritz. Yes.
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