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»Ich konnte an ein Leben nach dem Tod nicht glauben, bis …« | Thomas Wenk im Gespräch — Transcript

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  1. 0:01Really, the first three or four days, I
  2. 0:03didn't want to go on living, that was
  3. 0:05everything and it was hardly any
  4. 0:07different from anyone else. Then Fritz
  5. 0:10sat at our kitchen table and said that
  6. 0:11everything is fine, that he is doing
  7. 0:13well. That was so clear, I haven't
  8. 0:15forgotten a single second of that dream
  9. 0:17. Then Fritz, that's the son's name,
  10. 0:22came through and gave me information
  11. 0:26for two hours, such details that I
  12. 0:30really couldn't have known. Yes,
  13. 0:34and from then on the world was
  14. 0:35different. Ms. Winkel provided us with
  15. 0:37one piece of information after another
  16. 0:39for two and a half hours. Among other
  17. 0:42things, that our son had to stop
  18. 0:43playing soccer at 12 years old.
  19. 0:45What did she know at that time? Mr.
  20. 1:07Wenk, some time ago you lost your then
  21. 1:1016-year-old son under tragic
  22. 1:12circumstances. That turned your life
  23. 1:16upside down, as you told me beforehand,
  24. 1:18but you were then able to experience
  25. 1:20some very impressive contacts from
  26. 1:22beyond, partly also with the help of
  27. 1:24mediums. I would like to talk to you
  28. 1:28about all of that, but first ask you to
  29. 1:30remember again, how did your son's
  30. 1:31death come about? What exactly happened
  31. 1:34back then? I didn't really grasp it at
  32. 1:36the time. I was just about to finish
  33. 1:39work, it was 4:35 or 4:40 PM, and I was
  34. 1:42heading home. We have a small craft
  35. 1:44business on the farm and I wanted to
  36. 1:46see what had happened during the day.
  37. 1:47And someone called me, had already
  38. 1:49called three times. Fritz fell at the
  39. 1:52fire station. I didn't think anything
  40. 1:55of it, I thought he just tripped or
  41. 1:56something. I spoke with the foreman
  42. 1:57first and said I'd head over there.
  43. 2:00When I got to the fire station, there
  44. 2:01was already a huge crowd, an ambulance,
  45. 2:03everything was there. My wife and my
  46. 2:05other son were already standing there,
  47. 2:07and I joined them; my wife said, "Fritz
  48. 2:09has something with his heart and the
  49. 2:11emergency doctor is here and they are
  50. 2:12trying to resuscitate him."
  51. 2:14Mhm.
  52. 2:15And that took about half an hour to
  53. 2:16forty-five minutes, maybe an hour.
  54. 2:18There was also a trained first
  55. 2:21responder on site immediately. But I
  56. 2:23only learned the full extent of that
  57. 2:25later.
  58. 2:27And they tried for an hour in the
  59. 2:28ambulance, then said there was really
  60. 2:30no point anymore, but because he was
  61. 2:32such a young person, they would take
  62. 2:33him to the clinic and try everything
  63. 2:35there. Then I first took care of our
  64. 2:38eleven-year-old daughter and waited
  65. 2:42until my mother came home and then I
  66. 2:44drove here. My wife was in the
  67. 2:47ambulance and when I uh arrived at the
  68. 2:49clinic in Suhl, my wife came toward me
  69. 2:52and said the doctors just told me that
  70. 2:55Fritz didn't make it.
  71. 2:57And that was completely out of the blue
  72. 2:59.
  73. 2:59He was completely healthy.
  74. 3:01He had started a new school, was really
  75. 3:03into life, had plans, was just in the
  76. 3:05process of finding his own way and
  77. 3:07really, he wanted to go to Japan, he
  78. 3:09wanted that, he was truly the happiest
  79. 3:11he had ever been in his life at that
  80. 3:13time. We had also just really found a
  81. 3:16foundation with each other, we were
  82. 3:17right in the middle of it. We wanted to
  83. 3:19drive together to his school, which is
  84. 3:2130 km away. We now had common interests
  85. 3:24that we could talk about, and my wife
  86. 3:26picked him up from his internship in
  87. 3:28the afternoon. He was then, she wanted
  88. 3:30to drive him to volleyball practice. He
  89. 3:32said, no, Mom, I'll walk. Uh, he helped
  90. 3:35his sister with music or math homework,
  91. 3:37which he never did, took a lot of time
  92. 3:39for it, and then left and walked out
  93. 3:41the door. The neighbors all saw him
  94. 3:43running. So he was in a hurry. He went
  95. 3:46over an iron bridge across the train
  96. 3:48tracks, down the bridge, and he must
  97. 3:50have stumbled right in front of the
  98. 3:51fire station. There are people who say
  99. 3:55he grabbed his left thigh, dragged
  100. 3:56himself a bit, but then fell down and,
  101. 3:58yeah.
  102. 4:00So was it actually a fall or what? Well
  103. 4:03, the fall probably resulted from heart
  104. 4:06failure, and yeah, then we were in the
  105. 4:09hospital and were allowed to see him
  106. 4:11one more time, and then it was, yeah,
  107. 4:14that was it, it was over, we went home,
  108. 4:16and then of course our world collapsed.
  109. 4:20Especially because this close
  110. 4:21relationship uh was just developing.
  111. 4:23Well, because it's your own child and
  112. 4:25because you never expect something like
  113. 4:27this, because we had plans for the year
  114. 4:29and because we really–maybe we
  115. 4:31already did a lot together, but it had
  116. 4:33actually become more intense and we
  117. 4:35were just on the right path and had
  118. 4:37slowly started to...
  119. 4:38Father and son.
  120. 4:39It was like a family unit, that we were
  121. 4:41really getting closer and that we had
  122. 4:42such resilient things that were really
  123. 4:44only good for us, and we were moving
  124. 4:46more and more from the outside to the
  125. 4:48inside.
  126. 4:48And then it came out of the blue.
  127. 4:50What did you do in that situation? You
  128. 4:52had to comfort others too, somehow.
  129. 4:55I was lying on the sofa, and for the
  130. 4:57first few days I had this impulse, like
  131. 4:59, what am I still doing here? My wife
  132. 5:02and I, we were lying on the sofa. My
  133. 5:05older son, he was always out, he didn't
  134. 5:08want to come home, he was constantly
  135. 5:10away, and our daughter, I think she was
  136. 5:13ten at the time, basically kept us
  137. 5:16alive. She cooked for us, she did
  138. 5:19crafts, she made really beautiful
  139. 5:20things for Fritz with five stones and
  140. 5:22truly comforted us.
  141. 5:25And then it happened relatively quickly
  142. 5:28, what others also report, people we
  143. 5:31had supposedly been friends with for
  144. 5:34years. Went into hiding, and people we
  145. 5:37didn't really have much to do with
  146. 5:39called us, and I don't want to say
  147. 5:41harassed, but they called us constantly
  148. 5:42, and every single one of them who
  149. 5:47spoke to us helped us. We realized that
  150. 5:50every word that is sincere provides
  151. 5:53comfort and helps us, but those first
  152. 5:56three, four days, I didn't want to go
  153. 5:59on living, it was all just
  154. 6:02hiding, because there was simply an
  155. 6:04inability to deal with the subject.
  156. 6:05Yes, I don't know. It turns out now
  157. 6:08that there are many acquaintances,
  158. 6:10friendships that were on a level with
  159. 6:12no depth, where you occupied yourself
  160. 6:14with things that don't matter anymore.
  161. 6:18Even now, after a year and 5 months, I
  162. 6:20ask myself why I wasted my life so
  163. 6:22pointlessly until then, busying myself
  164. 6:25with distractions that are totally
  165. 6:27meaningless, and there is so much to
  166. 6:29discover now,
  167. 6:31that I say, that is nothing, and
  168. 6:34luckily, many people have entered our
  169. 6:36lives. Three weeks ago, when we were
  170. 6:38working in the garden, I said to my
  171. 6:40wife for the first time, the worst
  172. 6:41thing that could happen has happened,
  173. 6:43that our Fritz is no longer here. But
  174. 6:45since Fritz has been gone, we have
  175. 6:46actually only experienced good things.
  176. 6:48Everything has turned for the better.
  177. 6:51Looking back, do you have the
  178. 6:53impression that in the last few days or
  179. 6:56in the time before this event, there
  180. 6:58was a noticeable change in your son,
  181. 7:01that he showed something in his
  182. 7:03behavior that was never the case before
  183. 7:06? It wasn't in the last, it wasn't
  184. 7:09really noticeable, but in the last six
  185. 7:11months, ever since he changed schools,
  186. 7:13he had become significantly more active
  187. 7:15and interested. He drove to Dizzausen
  188. 7:17on his own, signed up for boxing
  189. 7:19training, and was really active; he was
  190. 7:21, perhaps for the first time in his
  191. 7:22life, truly self-determined, happy, and
  192. 7:24content. He spent much more time with
  193. 7:27his grandparents in the last few weeks
  194. 7:28before that. On the Sunday before it
  195. 7:32happened, I was also at my parents '
  196. 7:34house for lunch with my daughter. He
  197. 7:36was sleeping, as always. I was really
  198. 7:38furious then. Fritz, you’re just
  199. 7:39staying here. Then he came over later.
  200. 7:42He was totally relaxed. As if nothing
  201. 7:44had happened, we went for a really nice
  202. 7:45walk with the dog. We also took the
  203. 7:47photos there that we all draw strength
  204. 7:48from now. With the dog in the woods,
  205. 7:50sitting nicely. Those are the pictures
  206. 7:52we use everywhere now and have. Almost
  207. 7:54as if we had done one last photo shoot
  208. 7:56to say goodbye. I ask because I have
  209. 7:59already spoken with some bereaved
  210. 8:02parents, and some report that, in
  211. 8:06retrospect, there was some kind of
  212. 8:09striking development, a maturing
  213. 8:12process in the child, where they
  214. 8:15appeared especially self-confident,
  215. 8:18wise, and capable of love. It was in
  216. 8:22the sense that he truly developed
  217. 8:23self-confidence and a self-determined
  218. 8:25path; he became increasingly clear, but
  219. 8:27it wasn’t a sudden shift or a
  220. 8:28development that came out of nowhere.
  221. 8:31It hinted at itself very slowly, and he
  222. 8:33was
  223. 8:33actually, quite naturally, a
  224. 8:34development.
  225. 8:35Yes, it was different from our other
  226. 8:36children and also different from what
  227. 8:38I’ve observed in many other kids. He
  228. 8:40was just—or in retrospect, I already
  229. 8:42had the impression back then that his
  230. 8:44aura had developed massively in the
  231. 8:46last year of his life. He used to be
  232. 8:49the inconspicuous one who sometimes had
  233. 8:50a bit of a hard time in the classes he
  234. 8:52was in. But especially in the last six
  235. 8:54months, wherever Fritz went, he was
  236. 8:56present; he developed such a presence,
  237. 8:58but it happened piece by piece and not
  238. 9:00in a way where I could say it only
  239. 9:02started two weeks before he passed.
  240. 9:04How did you and your wife continue from
  241. 9:06there? What helped you with the
  242. 9:08grieving process? That was just after
  243. 9:11two days. For some reason, I—we have
  244. 9:14an acquaintance in Dresden, and I
  245. 9:16called him—we were lying on the sofa,
  246. 9:18and he said to our daughter, "Fritz,
  247. 9:19that’s not true, he’s in heaven and
  248. 9:21is watching from above, looking out for
  249. 9:23you." And naturally, we couldn't accept
  250. 9:27it at all, but our daughter said, "Look
  251. 9:29, Dad, Fritz is in heaven." And then,
  252. 9:32she slowly...you weren't really
  253. 9:34religiously or spiritually oriented at
  254. 9:36all, nothing, nothing. I didn't rule
  255. 9:39anything out. I think that's called
  256. 9:41agnosticism or something like that. I
  257. 9:42didn't rule anything out, but I also
  258. 9:44didn't give it any thought. But then,
  259. 9:47after we spoke on the phone with
  260. 9:49Torsten Frank, two days later, people
  261. 9:51were suddenly at our kitchen table whom
  262. 9:54we knew, but who were never there
  263. 9:55otherwise. And then, two days later, it
  264. 9:58started; a successful businessman from
  265. 10:00Sul started telling us about the Book
  266. 10:02of Life that is already written. That
  267. 10:03was completely new territory for me.
  268. 10:06Then a medical doctor, a surgeon, told
  269. 10:08us about the Palm Leaf Library and
  270. 10:10shared how he was there in person when
  271. 10:13a young girl collapsed in a gym and
  272. 10:15afterwards reported exactly who had
  273. 10:17what in their lab coat pockets. For me,
  274. 10:21because I had always been so curious
  275. 10:23beforehand, that was the straw I
  276. 10:25grabbed onto. So I went for it; I spent
  277. 10:29weeks lying on the sofa, looking
  278. 10:30everywhere, soaking up information. We
  279. 10:34also quickly found a funeral celebrant,
  280. 10:36who I met through some supposed
  281. 10:38coincidences, who was already retired,
  282. 10:40and I thought, if she's retired, she
  283. 10:42must do her work because she loves it.
  284. 10:46She sat at our table, I told her about
  285. 10:47it, and she said to me, "Well, Mr. Wenk
  286. 10:49, if that helps you, then you have to
  287. 10:50believe in it." I nearly jumped out of
  288. 10:52my skin and said, "Ms. [Name], I won't
  289. 10:54say the name, you've been doing this
  290. 10:56for 50 years; either you know there is
  291. 10:58something there, or you don't believe
  292. 10:59in it." And if you don't believe in it,
  293. 11:01then tell me clearly. Otherwise, we
  294. 11:02might as well stop right here. My wife
  295. 11:04would have preferred to sink into the
  296. 11:07floor, but we cleared the air, and
  297. 11:09after that, we talked to each other,
  298. 11:11and then I really grabbed every straw I
  299. 11:13could reach and, like the
  300. 11:14hunter-gatherers of the past, I simply
  301. 11:16hunted for information and collected
  302. 11:19data.
  303. 11:19With the gut feeling that there is
  304. 11:21something there, with the hope. At the
  305. 11:23beginning, it was hope.
  306. 11:23Yes.
  307. 11:24We were sitting then. For example, at
  308. 11:26the funeral home and naturally, we were
  309. 11:29supposed to say something. And this
  310. 11:32lady says: "Wend, you phrased that so
  311. 11:34beautifully, wouldn't you like to write
  312. 11:35a paragraph like that for the speech?"
  313. 11:38And that felt like a hammer blow to me:
  314. 11:40"Dad, you should be able to write that
  315. 11:41little bit yourself and tell it
  316. 11:43yourself, too." And for me, that was
  317. 11:45the clear mandate: You write it
  318. 11:46yourself. Then we held the ceremony 6
  319. 11:48weeks later, and I just gave the speech
  320. 11:51, telling myself that if I broke down
  321. 11:53after two sentences, then so be it.
  322. 11:55Then it is what it is, but at least I
  323. 11:57tried. For me, it was like an
  324. 11:59obligation to my child; that everything
  325. 12:01I had missed out on in life, I could
  326. 12:03now at least try to make up for bit by
  327. 12:05bit.
  328. 12:05Mhm.
  329. 12:06And then I spoke for half an hour, and
  330. 12:08with the knowledge I had back then, I
  331. 12:10also said that I do not accept that my
  332. 12:12child is dead as long as I have no
  333. 12:14proof. Mhm.
  334. 12:15And that was essentially the core of it
  335. 12:17.
  336. 12:18How did it continue from there until
  337. 12:20you were open to phenomena that are
  338. 12:22described as afterlife contacts? I was
  339. 12:26already open to it. I just couldn't
  340. 12:27believe it. I just couldn't believe it,
  341. 12:30but after it was said that way—the
  342. 12:32signs were simply too clear—and now,
  343. 12:34to jump ahead, I truly believe through
  344. 12:36the experiences we've gathered, that
  345. 12:38yes, we as souls tick similarly to how
  346. 12:40we do here on Earth. And I think to
  347. 12:43myself, if I'm just as much of a
  348. 12:45chatterbox there as I am here, then as
  349. 12:47a soul, I probably had it written into
  350. 12:49my contract that if I have to suffer
  351. 12:50this fate, then I want to be given
  352. 12:52decent signs that I can read. And we
  353. 12:56had—we have 2,000 residents in the
  354. 12:58place where Fritz fell, and the moment
  355. 13:00he fell, a trained Bundeswehr first
  356. 13:02responder was driving by. This trained
  357. 13:05first responder saw my son fall. Fritz
  358. 13:08wasn't even on the ground yet before he
  359. 13:10was already receiving qualified heart
  360. 13:12massage. I also cannot confirm that
  361. 13:14there is no civil courage in our
  362. 13:16country. Everyone who was there tried
  363. 13:17to help. People brought blankets, were
  364. 13:19worried, comforted us, and tried
  365. 13:21everything for Fritz. The ambulance
  366. 13:23arrived after 7 or 8 minutes.
  367. 13:25So there was nothing where you could
  368. 13:27blame anyone, right? None at all. On
  369. 13:29the contrary, we saw that the world is
  370. 13:31much better than it is portrayed,
  371. 13:32because in the emergency ambulance sat
  372. 13:34a trained pediatrician. At the clinic
  373. 13:37in Suhl, the chief physician, they all
  374. 13:39—they just couldn't grasp that our
  375. 13:41child
  376. 13:43is no longer here, because actually, he
  377. 13:45had better care than in the intensive
  378. 13:47care unit. And were there any signs or
  379. 13:51coincidences that convinced you that he
  380. 13:54might live on in another form?
  381. 13:59I clung to that hope and tried to
  382. 14:00really collect facts, since we are
  383. 14:02practically tradesmen, and as a
  384. 14:03tradesman, I’ve prided myself for
  385. 14:05years: we don’t look for who’s to
  386. 14:07blame, we solve the problem first, and
  387. 14:09then we clarify who is at fault.
  388. 14:12And I now view that exactly as
  389. 14:14preparation, as training for this
  390. 14:16situation. And it was exactly the same
  391. 14:19there. I just kept on collecting things
  392. 14:21, and then there was this glow of fire
  393. 14:23that looked like a face with a tail on
  394. 14:25it. And that was actually the first
  395. 14:27clear sign we had.
  396. 14:30That was the first time I said, yes,
  397. 14:31there is something there, and perhaps
  398. 14:33that was the first qualified, the
  399. 14:35qualified hint that we could lean on.
  400. 14:38But to be able to seriously believe in
  401. 14:40this, you need a thousand pieces of
  402. 14:42evidence, and one piece of evidence, or
  403. 14:44supposed evidence, that says the
  404. 14:46opposite throws you right back again.
  405. 14:49Did you have the very concrete
  406. 14:51impression that your son was also
  407. 14:53trying to make contact through signs
  408. 14:55that were recognizable or palpable to
  409. 14:58you?
  410. 14:59Yes, I really did. But when you are
  411. 15:02just looking for arguments, for real,
  412. 15:07reliable evidence, then it is always
  413. 15:10hard to say, yes, this is—but when I
  414. 15:12look back at it in retrospect, a medium
  415. 15:18from Lenkfeld also said, "Fritz will
  416. 15:20make his presence known on the day of
  417. 15:22his service, and you won't be able to
  418. 15:24miss it."
  419. 15:25That was before the funeral.
  420. 15:26Before the funeral. The funeral was six
  421. 15:28weeks later, and on that day—well,
  422. 15:30it’s still a bit much for me to
  423. 15:32process. On that day, there were these
  424. 15:34sonic booms in Germany—it was in the
  425. 15:36newspapers back then—these supposed
  426. 15:38ones where it really banged, and no one
  427. 15:40could explain it. The press says it was
  428. 15:42a sonic boom near us. And at the exact
  429. 15:44moment it banged, a former Bundeswehr
  430. 15:46soldier who had served in Afghanistan
  431. 15:48was standing at our door, dropping off
  432. 15:50a two-meter-tall ginkgo tree, and at
  433. 15:51that very moment, it banged, at 6
  434. 15:53o'clock in the evening. And he says, "
  435. 15:55That was no supersonic aircraft in a
  436. 15:57thousand years." And that was such a
  437. 16:00sign, which is actually impossible to
  438. 16:02beat in terms of clarity, but where I
  439. 16:03say: The scale and the dimension–I
  440. 16:05would like to believe it, but it’s
  441. 16:09quite a big deal if that’s how it was
  442. 16:11done. Then there were just many other
  443. 16:13little things. The teacher, his primary
  444. 16:15school teacher, overslept on the day of
  445. 16:17the ceremony. She then felt that Fritz
  446. 16:20was shaking her awake and had
  447. 16:21practically seen Fritz when she got up.
  448. 16:24I got up and then there was a glorious
  449. 16:26sunrise, like I had never seen before.
  450. 16:29But I still don’t know if I can
  451. 16:30really interpret that as a sign or if
  452. 16:31I’m just imagining it. Because the
  453. 16:33last thing I want to do is talk myself
  454. 16:35into a situation just because it helps
  455. 16:37me. That is simply not our approach.
  456. 16:40And uh, they had—this is how I
  457. 16:43interpret it—signs that they couldn't
  458. 16:46definitively evaluate, but they wanted
  459. 16:49more, they wanted certainty, and that
  460. 16:52was probably the reason they turned to
  461. 16:55a medium.
  462. 16:57That was also, yes, like so many of
  463. 16:59these strange stories. I then started
  464. 17:02lying on the sofa for days and watching
  465. 17:04all sorts of things about afterlife
  466. 17:06contacts and everything. And then I was
  467. 17:09lying on the sofa on a Saturday or
  468. 17:11Sunday afternoon and there was some
  469. 17:12report by an American who was saying
  470. 17:14something. The library is 5 km long,
  471. 17:17clear lake and glittering and beautiful
  472. 17:19and all, where I said: "Typical,
  473. 17:20they’ve lost their marbles," and
  474. 17:22actually wanted to turn it off. And
  475. 17:26then—and that was the first truly
  476. 17:28decisive moment—a young, blonde girl
  477. 17:30comes on in a flannel shirt and they do
  478. 17:33an interview about little Luna Annika
  479. 17:35Scheller.
  480. 17:37And I watched it and that was this
  481. 17:39Annika, she looked so authentic in the
  482. 17:41video and I couldn't grasp it at all
  483. 17:43and that was actually, like, the first
  484. 17:45milestone.
  485. 17:47Then I go for a walk with the dog,
  486. 17:48write Annika a message. Two hours later
  487. 17:50, a message comes from Annika, yes, we
  488. 17:53can do it either on the 13th of January
  489. 17:55or next week. Said, naturally next week
  490. 17:57. Then we did astral travel via Annika
  491. 18:00and so on, and also had an experience.
  492. 18:02So I had an intense dream then, that
  493. 18:04Fritz, so that was the astral travel
  494. 18:07after, I had this one and that was
  495. 18:09hardly different from all the others.
  496. 18:11Then Fritz was sitting at our kitchen
  497. 18:14table, I stood up, he was sitting there
  498. 18:16in a red hoodie and looked at me,
  499. 18:19apologized to me for leaving us so
  500. 18:21suddenly and said that everything is
  501. 18:24fine, that he is doing well. Beige
  502. 18:26pants, a really bright, vibrant red
  503. 18:27hoodie, he said that everything is fine
  504. 18:29, that everything is beautiful, that he
  505. 18:31is doing well and that we don't need to
  506. 18:33worry, and it was—I don't know, it
  507. 18:35was so clear, I haven't forgotten a
  508. 18:36single second of that moment in that
  509. 18:38room.
  510. 18:39I mean, in terms of quality and deep
  511. 18:40intensity, it was something very, very
  512. 18:41special—just like how you are sitting
  513. 18:43here, that’s how it was. I then went
  514. 18:45over to him, got down on my knees,
  515. 18:47pressed myself into his side, and then
  516. 18:50the moment was over, but it was still
  517. 18:52such a, such a sign.
  518. 18:54And then it continued, Annika Scheller
  519. 18:56recommended Miriam Winkler to us. I
  520. 18:59wrote, "Dear Ms. Winkler," because the
  521. 19:01appointments were booked, "Dear Ms.
  522. 19:03Winkler, my son is..."
  523. 19:04She works as a medium. Yes. And then
  524. 19:07she wrote back in her, well, snappy way
  525. 19:09, "Uh, dear Mr. Weng, I actually wanted
  526. 19:12to say all that myself, but he is
  527. 19:15creative." I want to come up with
  528. 19:16something. And then, six weeks after
  529. 19:18what happened on December 20th...We got
  530. 19:20an appointment with Ms. Winkler and
  531. 19:22drove to Hüffenhardt, and from then on
  532. 19:24, the world was different. Ms. Winkler
  533. 19:27provided us with one piece of
  534. 19:28information after another for two and a
  535. 19:30half hours, among other things, that
  536. 19:32our son had to stop playing soccer at
  537. 19:34age 12. What did she know at the time?
  538. 19:37Nothing, absolutely nothing, except
  539. 19:38that my son was 16, that his name was
  540. 19:39Fritz, and that he had an accident on
  541. 19:41the way to...
  542. 19:41You told her that.
  543. 19:43Well, but they don't even want to know
  544. 19:44that. She scolded me for telling her
  545. 19:46that. And we were sitting there and she
  546. 19:49starts, and one thing after another.
  547. 19:51She told us that Fritz wasn't a typical
  548. 19:53teenager, that he preferred listening
  549. 19:54to classical music over anything else.
  550. 19:57That's true, that he had exactly two
  551. 19:58friends, and then about his feet, she
  552. 20:00said, "Your son had to stop soccer
  553. 20:02because he had a problem with his feet,
  554. 20:04" and Fritz really did have surgery,
  555. 20:06had screws in his feet, and had to stop
  556. 20:07playing soccer for that reason.
  557. 20:10And those were just a few examples; it
  558. 20:12lasted two hours, a real firework of
  559. 20:14arguments, and when we drove away, just
  560. 20:16before Christmas, I saw life in my
  561. 20:18wife's eyes again for the first time.
  562. 20:20She finally had hope for the first time
  563. 20:22. She called her mother, talked to her
  564. 20:24for an hour, and was completely
  565. 20:25thrilled and beside herself. And then,
  566. 20:29after the appointment with Winkler at
  567. 20:32the latest, we were completely on track
  568. 20:35, and from that moment on, the belief
  569. 20:38that it could be this way
  570. 20:40or that it is this way, that belief
  571. 20:42took the upper hand at that point. In
  572. 20:45contacts with mediums, it is often
  573. 20:48alleged by critics and skeptics that
  574. 20:51mediums just say things that can be
  575. 20:54gathered through what is known as cold
  576. 20:57reading. Perhaps you can report a few
  577. 21:01details from the conversation that
  578. 21:03impressed you particularly, where a
  579. 21:04sense of certainty opened up for you.
  580. 21:08Yes, that was the feet, for example.
  581. 21:10And then she also clearly said, "Fritz
  582. 21:12is clutching his heart." She sees that
  583. 21:15he was on the ground immediately. She
  584. 21:17sees that his soul was out of his body
  585. 21:18before he hit the ground. She sees that
  586. 21:21helpers were there immediately, in the
  587. 21:22very first moment. She sees a street
  588. 21:25and public transport, and across from
  589. 21:26the fire station is the bus station and
  590. 21:28the train station. She sees that he was
  591. 21:32in an ambulance immediately, that first
  592. 21:35aid was there, that—that we couldn't
  593. 21:37have done anything.
  594. 21:40So, she told you everything that
  595. 21:42happened to him herself, yes,
  596. 21:45without her being able to know that.
  597. 21:46Yes. And then, many other things from
  598. 21:48his life that are just as accurate. He
  599. 21:50was a bit—well, he was actually
  600. 21:51relatively mature for his age in terms
  601. 21:53of his thoughts. As I said, he
  602. 21:55preferred going to the theater over
  603. 21:58other kinds of things. He wasn't part
  604. 22:00of any real gang. He was completely on
  605. 22:02his way to finding his path, and she
  606. 22:04described Fritz's essence to us just as
  607. 22:06he really was, or is, I would think.
  608. 22:09That naturally brought about a
  609. 22:11significant change in your worldview.
  610. 22:14Did you have the feeling of more
  611. 22:16intensive contact after that, how are
  612. 22:18you doing today? Yes, today I can tell
  613. 22:22you, I feel like, at times, it wasn't
  614. 22:24Fritz who died, but me. I feel almost
  615. 22:27like a DHL courier. Without me being
  616. 22:30able to interpret why it happens, I get
  617. 22:31impulses from Fritz.
  618. 22:33and just say it out loud and then we'll
  619. 22:36,
  620. 22:37so you feel permanent contact.
  621. 22:40I now say, I I even talk my way out of
  622. 22:42every crazy idea with my wife and say,
  623. 22:44that was Fritz, not me. And also
  624. 22:46because you have that with this medial
  625. 22:48world, with the co-reading. We, we are
  626. 22:51also lucky that we really, well we know
  627. 22:53now, we have practically four mediums
  628. 22:55with whom we also have normal contact
  629. 22:57through various other activities as
  630. 22:59well, and these are all authentic women
  631. 23:01who have another job on the side and
  632. 23:03who really deliver facts, and we have
  633. 23:05had contact with all four of them once
  634. 23:08and since then nothing drives us
  635. 23:09anymore. So we don't even ask them
  636. 23:12about Fritz anymore. Sometimes they say
  637. 23:13, Fritz is here and that also makes it
  638. 23:15authentic and sometimes they say, is
  639. 23:17Fritz here? No, not today. And for me,
  640. 23:19it's still in the foreground, I want
  641. 23:22this, what the work they do, to become
  642. 23:25the new reality, and for it to be the
  643. 23:27new reality, my mission is, I see it as
  644. 23:30my mission to reach as many people as
  645. 23:33possible. I don't have to go to 20
  646. 23:35mediums, because for myself, I know
  647. 23:36what my truth is. But the more people
  648. 23:39come to this topic out of the blue, and
  649. 23:41I notice or I sense that this is
  650. 23:43becoming a broader topic among the
  651. 23:45population, that the willingness for it
  652. 23:47is becoming more open—but I just need
  653. 23:49results. And everyone, well I compare
  654. 23:52it to driving an automatic: everyone
  655. 23:53who doesn't drive an automatic
  656. 23:55complains: "I don't need an automatic."
  657. 23:57Once they have driven an automatic,
  658. 23:58they say: "It's not that bad," and 90
  659. 24:00percent stick with it. And it's the
  660. 24:02same principle with this medial work
  661. 24:03and changing one's worldview. Everyone
  662. 24:06who deals with it, everyone who really
  663. 24:07opens up to this topic.
  664. 24:09How are you yourself doing with your
  665. 24:11grief today?
  666. 24:13Well, it's there are phases where I
  667. 24:15where we also fall into a hole, but
  668. 24:18it's like an amplitude, the peaks
  669. 24:20upwards are still there, but these
  670. 24:22valleys are no longer as deep. So, we
  671. 24:25are now actually always above zero. You
  672. 24:27know it will pass.
  673. 24:29Yes, because I now also know, whenever
  674. 24:31the situation seems most hopeless, so
  675. 24:33whenever I really think, there's no way
  676. 24:35forward, I rely on getting a hint on
  677. 24:37how to continue. And I have to say once
  678. 24:40again: without your channel, without
  679. 24:42Tanatus TV, we would never have come on
  680. 24:44this path to finding any direction at
  681. 24:45all, because you practically bridge the
  682. 24:48gap between our real world and this
  683. 24:49spiritual world with your reports on
  684. 24:51near-death experiences. And you make it
  685. 24:53imaginable and tangible, and anyone who
  686. 24:55opens themselves up and watches four or
  687. 24:57five reports on Tanatus TV, well, it
  688. 24:59gets etched into them. The more often I
  689. 25:01watch it, the stronger my belief in it
  690. 25:03becomes. And in my view, this
  691. 25:04development is something everyone has
  692. 25:06to go through for themselves. I can't
  693. 25:08do it the way you do. I can offer a
  694. 25:11platform, can say, take a look at this,
  695. 25:13and then it spreads on its own, I
  696. 25:15believe. I wish you all the best for
  697. 25:18your activities in this direction.
  698. 25:21Thank you very much for your openness
  699. 25:23in sharing your experiences. Thanks for
  700. 25:26the gu
  701. 25:26great pleasure, and I would also like
  702. 25:27to thank you again for your work. I
  703. 25:30believe you cannot even begin to gauge
  704. 25:32what you are achieving and how much
  705. 25:34positive energy you are bringing into
  706. 25:36the world, because it is simply of
  707. 25:38invaluable worth.
  708. 25:40That is very kind. The commercial break
  709. 25:42was long enough now.
  710. 25:43Quality prevails without advertising.
  711. 25:45So thank you very much, Mr. Wenk, for
  712. 25:47you and your wife. Thank you. Uh,
  713. 25:55my first contact with the Wenk family
  714. 25:57was that I received an email. Uh, I
  715. 26:01can't repeat the exact wording now, but
  716. 26:04the email said: "Dear Ms. Winkler, we
  717. 26:07have an emergency. Um, my son has
  718. 26:10suddenly passed into the spirit world.
  719. 26:15Um, and I read on your homepage that
  720. 26:17you don't have any free appointments
  721. 26:18for the next six months. But it also
  722. 26:22says. In case of emergencies, we are
  723. 26:24welcome to email you, and that's why
  724. 26:26this email is here. And um, I think it
  725. 26:30came in November, that email, and I was
  726. 26:34really, uh, booked solid for the year.
  727. 26:39So. And then I tuned into it. It really
  728. 26:42is an emergency. Yes. And then the son
  729. 26:46arrived. He mentioned it, unfortunately
  730. 26:48, in the email. Um, yes, my son has
  731. 26:51passed into the spirit world, even
  732. 26:54though it says in big letters on my
  733. 26:56homepage that I want neither
  734. 26:58information about the client contacting
  735. 27:01me, nor about the deceased—absolutely
  736. 27:04no information. And Mr. Wenk was very
  737. 27:06generous, though. Well, I had to, in
  738. 27:10that case, you know, passed away
  739. 27:12suddenly, and then I tuned into it and
  740. 27:15I received the impulse that it was
  741. 27:17really important to do it before
  742. 27:19Christmas, and then I wrote back to the
  743. 27:22Wenk family. Um Looking back, it sounds
  744. 27:27very cheeky. Um, yes, dear Mr. Wenk,
  745. 27:31there is actually already information
  746. 27:33contained in this email. Your son
  747. 27:36actually wanted to share it with me as
  748. 27:39proof, but he is creative. You get an
  749. 27:42appointment, I believe it was shortly
  750. 27:45before Christmas, the 22nd. or 21st.
  751. 27:49December. Um, but only if you come here
  752. 27:52to me on-site. And an email came back
  753. 27:57immediately saying, we will take the
  754. 27:59appointment, and I wrote into the email
  755. 28:01, please do not share any more
  756. 28:03information with me until this
  757. 28:04appointment, neither about yourself nor
  758. 28:06about your child. And yes, the Wenk
  759. 28:11family then, so he and his wife—and
  760. 28:17their son's transition was only two
  761. 28:20months ago at most—very much in grief
  762. 28:24, um, energy-wise very closed off, very
  763. 28:27agitated. And yes, I was naturally also
  764. 28:31a bit under pressure because I already
  765. 28:34knew two or three pieces of information
  766. 28:36, which would have already been great
  767. 28:38proof. would have been, yes, for me and
  768. 28:40for the son. Yes, and then it was Fritz
  769. 28:50came, that's the son's name, and he
  770. 28:54gave me information for two hours, such
  771. 28:58details that I really could not have
  772. 29:02known. Yes. Um, I knew he had collapsed
  773. 29:06on the way to volleyball practice, and
  774. 29:09um, your son then showed me, um, that
  775. 29:12he had played soccer in the past and,
  776. 29:14for example, couldn't play anymore
  777. 29:17because he had something wrong with his
  778. 29:20foot. He had a deformity in his foot.
  779. 29:22Yes, and he showed me something like a
  780. 29:25screw or a plate. And that was, for my
  781. 29:27mind at the time, like, I don't
  782. 29:29understand this. He was on the way to
  783. 29:31volleyball practice, and now he is
  784. 29:32telling me he shouldn't actually be
  785. 29:34doing any sports at all. And um, that's
  786. 29:37when I learned: Okay, just set your
  787. 29:39mind aside. And the information was
  788. 29:43correct, yes, about his health issues,
  789. 29:46which I, even as a child—which I also
  790. 29:49couldn't have known. And the family sat
  791. 29:53there completely perplexed, um, went
  792. 29:59into such healing, so close to tears,
  793. 30:02also the wife, who was still more
  794. 30:05closed off, so denser in her energy and
  795. 30:07was in even more grief than her husband
  796. 30:10. Um and we then also immediately, I
  797. 30:15remember this, wrote with Fritz. I have
  798. 30:17a writing planchette, a writing
  799. 30:20instrument, and uh showed them how the
  800. 30:23spirit world can also communicate via a
  801. 30:26writing medium. And in the end, my
  802. 30:30partner cooked for me that evening, I
  803. 30:32still remember that, and I actually had
  804. 30:35a time limit, but Fritz kept us in
  805. 30:37conversation for so long, um, that the
  806. 30:39Wenk family eventually said, um, don't
  807. 30:41you actually need to go home? And then
  808. 30:44I said, yes, I do. So the food was
  809. 30:46overcooked by then, yeah? And I had
  810. 30:50some stress with my partner, but, um,
  811. 30:53it was worth it, because the family
  812. 30:55told me afterward, you saved our
  813. 30:58Christmas, yes, without you. And Mr.
  814. 31:03Wenk also stands by that and says, I
  815. 31:05believe I wouldn't be here anymore.
  816. 31:08Because I wanted to follow my son. And
  817. 31:12then I also understood why it was so
  818. 31:14important to the son. Um, to definitely
  819. 31:17have this appointment before Christmas.
  820. 31:21Um, he showed me afterward, among other
  821. 31:24things, he says, Miriam, take a look at
  822. 31:26my chest. And I say, oh for God's sake,
  823. 31:29Fritz, what did they do to your chest?
  824. 31:33Um, and then he says, they resuscitated
  825. 31:36me to death. And yes, that's how it
  826. 31:40turned out, they resuscitated him for
  827. 31:43an hour and a half and he says to me,
  828. 31:45Miriam, what do people think is left of
  829. 31:47me when I come back into the body after
  830. 31:50an hour and a half? I would have been
  831. 31:55mentally no longer the same, physically
  832. 31:57no longer the same. Um, and questioned
  833. 32:01exactly such situations. Question
  834. 32:05emergency medicine. So, I actually get
  835. 32:10to learn in every contact with the
  836. 32:12beyond, and I also took an incredible
  837. 32:15amount away for myself from Fritz. Yes.

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