"I was USED by Chris Watts, and that hurts." - Christa Richello, Cellmate Secrets — Transcript

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1. 0:03it's pretty interesting because my mom
2. 0:04did stand up for charles manson through
3. 0:06all that
4. 0:07and i'm standing up for chris watch
5. 0:11hello and welcome to true crime rocket
6. 0:13science the most
7. 0:14authentic voice in true crime
8. 0:17in this episode we're going to look at
9. 0:19something that i've actually never
10. 0:21spoken about before
11. 0:23and that is christa rashello
12. 0:27and it is there's a reason that i
13. 0:30haven't ever spoken about it before
14. 0:33even though a lot of other channels have
15. 0:35um
16. 0:36my channel deals with um
17. 0:40authentic you know proper evidence and
18. 0:43and proper scenarios right and
19. 0:47we all know that christa spoke for chris
20. 0:51watts
21. 0:51according to her she spoke for him and
22. 0:54she then went onto a channel
23. 0:56and a youtube channel and basically
24. 1:00provided the goods on chris watch to
25. 1:03this channel
26. 1:04and and they had a very cozy
27. 1:07relationship you know it was
28. 1:08that chris watts trust the channel and
29. 1:11chris watts trust her
30. 1:13and blah blah blah blah blah and and
31. 1:15then
32. 1:16you know later on it turns out that
33. 1:19certain things weren't the case
34. 1:20right um that chris watts i think wasn't
35. 1:23very happy with
36. 1:24what was going on he wasn't very happy
37. 1:26with what the channel was saying which
38. 1:29prompted him to eventually say the
39. 1:31following
40. 1:32i'm not going to play that recording
41. 1:34here i will put a link to the recording
42. 1:37in the description but it's basically
43. 1:39where chris watts says
44. 1:41referring to the same channel that
45. 1:43krista says
46. 1:44is her platform that you know that
47. 1:47channel doesn't reflect his directives
48. 1:49it's not
49. 1:51uh it doesn't have his blessing blah
50. 1:53blah blah and
51. 1:54so this particular recording was put up
52. 1:57on another channel
53. 1:59which apparently did have his blessing
54. 2:01and then quite funny
55. 2:03it was quite an amusing thing how
56. 2:05someone
57. 2:06edited it to swap around
58. 2:09the one creator for the other and then
59. 2:12make it into something completely
60. 2:14different
61. 2:14and of course this creator then repeated
62. 2:17that
63. 2:18edited thing on his channel i do think
64. 2:21what you're likely to see
65. 2:22is this particular channel um picking up
66. 2:25a lot of
67. 2:26subscribers people who are probably
68. 2:28quite new to the case
69. 2:29based on watching the self-made secrets
70. 2:32thing
71. 2:33and you know people just who don't know
72. 2:34any better
73. 2:36interestingly it's at a time where he's
74. 2:38lost something like 500 subscribers
75. 2:41in the last couple of days based on
76. 2:44what was said on another channel by
77. 2:46family members
78. 2:48so it's just all a very weird situation
79. 2:52now if you you know you can obviously go
80. 2:54into
81. 2:55some of the things that for example
82. 2:57scott reich went into
83. 2:59uh sort of looking at the fact that her
84. 3:01own mother was
85. 3:03fascinated and perhaps even more than
86. 3:05that with charles manson
87. 3:07and then she seems to follow in
88. 3:11his footsteps or her footsteps and then
89. 3:14her own father was in prison i don't
90. 3:16know whether she says that her father
91. 3:18was a
92. 3:19a fan of charles manson but one gets the
93. 3:21idea that both
94. 3:22both her parents were sort of fascinated
95. 3:26with charles manson and also
96. 3:28um defended him and then she says giving
97. 3:31a little bit of
98. 3:32um you know psychological insight into
99. 3:35her own psyche saying well i guess i'm
100. 3:38not that different to
101. 3:39to my mother now what i do think is
102. 3:41quite interesting from
103. 3:43if you want to apply psychology to
104. 3:45everything that's going on here
105. 3:46i think something that you you can't get
106. 3:49away from
107. 3:50is that christa got quite a lot of
108. 3:53attention
109. 3:54through chris watts so she writes to
110. 3:56chris watts
111. 3:57she then appears on a youtube channel
112. 4:00and gets
113. 4:00a lot of attention that way and then
114. 4:03from there
115. 4:04appears in television and gets a lot of
116. 4:06attention that way
117. 4:07and you've kind of got to ask is that
118. 4:09actually what's going on
119. 4:10is this a person who really wants
120. 4:13attention
121. 4:14and you know is one way of getting that
122. 4:16attention and i'm not saying
123. 4:18she sat down and said i want attention
124. 4:21and i'm gonna
125. 4:22i'm gonna use xyz to get that attention
126. 4:26um maybe it happens like uh
127. 4:28subconsciously but
128. 4:29um that is the result of all of this
129. 4:32which is
130. 4:33she contacts a high-profile person
131. 4:36she appears on a youtube channel and
132. 4:38then she appears on television isn't
133. 4:40that exactly what she wanted
134. 4:42that she kind of becomes this font of
135. 4:45information kind of thing
136. 4:51he knew that i could get information out
137. 4:53for people to hear
138. 4:54i feel that it's very possible that he
139. 4:56took that and ran with it for what he
140. 4:58needed
141. 4:59and what that need is i don't know but i
142. 5:02look back on it and i'm saying to myself
143. 5:04you know i probably was used by chris
144. 5:07absolutely and that hurts so i don't
145. 5:11actually know
146. 5:12the details and to be honest i don't
147. 5:14really want to know
148. 5:15i don't really care about them i really
149. 5:17don't care about the details
150. 5:19but from just speaking in a general way
151. 5:23i don't know whether i believe krista
152. 5:25when she says
153. 5:26that you know that she she really
154. 5:29believes that chris watts
155. 5:31used her in order to get his message
156. 5:33across
157. 5:34on armchair detective it may be that he
158. 5:37did
159. 5:38and it may be that he did until he
160. 5:40didn't want to all of that is i guess
161. 5:41possible
162. 5:43um but uh the other side of it is
163. 5:47if that's true then why on earth would
164. 5:49he go to the trouble to leave a message
165. 5:52especially saying that that he didn't
166. 5:53support that particular channel
167. 5:55why on earth would he say that and the
168. 5:58the thing that i think is certainly
169. 5:59worth
170. 6:00thinking about is isn't it the opposite
171. 6:03isn't this a case
172. 6:04of someone who gets close to chris watts
173. 6:06and then the next thing
174. 6:08spills the beans appears on these
175. 6:10platforms
176. 6:11um you know provides all this
177. 6:13information
178. 6:14and and then you know also appears on
179. 6:16television and then you've sort of got
180. 6:18to ask
181. 6:19you know if you compare it to some mate
182. 6:21secrets with casey anthony you've got to
183. 6:23kind of ask
184. 6:24um did chris watts
185. 6:28approve of of all of this happening
186. 6:31does or does he approve of his friend
187. 6:35saying this and of course you do have a
188. 6:37similar situation
189. 6:39in a in a weird way in the casey anthony
190. 6:42case if you've watched that sell made
191. 6:43secrets
192. 6:44where someone called robin
193. 6:48collected casey's letters and then when
194. 6:50casey was acquitted was very unhappy
195. 6:53about it
196. 6:53and quite angry and wondered why she
197. 6:56didn't testify and then you sort of
198. 6:57wonder
199. 6:58why is she a genuine friend to casey
200. 7:01and the impression i get is that and you
201. 7:04see this quite a lot in
202. 7:06criminal cases where there's a snitch is
203. 7:08that
204. 7:09what is happening with the snitch is the
205. 7:11snitch finds himself in a situation
206. 7:14alongside a much higher profile criminal
207. 7:17and then what appears to happen i'm not
208. 7:19saying it necessarily happens
209. 7:21but what appears to happen is they then
210. 7:23opportunistically think
211. 7:25well if i can get close to this person i
212. 7:27can get some
213. 7:28intel information then i can possibly
214. 7:31give it to my jailer
215. 7:33a prosecutor someone in law enforcement
216. 7:35and i can get a benefit out of that in
217. 7:37other words
218. 7:37if i play this particular individual and
219. 7:40i can get some
220. 7:42information that the prosecutors need i
221. 7:44can then get some perks or
222. 7:46special treatment right and that is
223. 7:49exactly what happened
224. 7:50in terms of the snitch in the patrick
225. 7:52phrase case
226. 7:54um that is not in question that is
227. 7:56something that he specifically
228. 7:58negotiated for right and so you've kind
229. 8:01of got to ask yourself
230. 8:02why are some of these snitches not
231. 8:05star witnesses in court cases why don't
232. 8:08you hear
233. 8:09about snitches all the time and the
234. 8:11answer is
235. 8:12you sometimes do but the problem is they
236. 8:15have an agenda
237. 8:16and the problem is that often you know
238. 8:19they're not in
239. 8:19prison for for fun they're there for a
240. 8:22reason
241. 8:23and of course in these um and in these
242. 8:26uh
243. 8:26episodes some made secrets the prisoners
244. 8:29are sort of
245. 8:30um shown as um the cell mates are shown
246. 8:34to be
247. 8:35nice people innocent people they didn't
248. 8:37deserve the crime
249. 8:39that happened to them and of course they
250. 8:40honest and do they believe this and do
251. 8:42they believe that
252. 8:44it's a little bit of a farce but i think
253. 8:46it's
254. 8:47perfect fodder for lifetime a perfect
255. 8:50tabloid fodder
256. 8:52but coming back to the original issue is
257. 8:54who used who
258. 8:56and what is just fascinating with the
259. 8:59watts case is how many women have
260. 9:03been sort of approaching him and then
261. 9:06what happens as a result of that you've
262. 9:09had cheryl and cadill
263. 9:11approach chris watts he was led to
264. 9:13believe that there'd be a book about
265. 9:16christian aspects and then how much of
266. 9:19the book was about that
267. 9:21then you have someone else and in this
268. 9:23case christa same thing
269. 9:25there was supposed to be a book and
270. 9:26that's supposed to be very heavily
271. 9:29um you know dealing with a particular
272. 9:32area
273. 9:32and then did that happen and so so what
274. 9:35i'm saying is you kind of have this
275. 9:38scenario where um certain things are
276. 9:41agreed and then and then what actually
277. 9:44ultimately happens
278. 9:46right what ultimately happens and i do
279. 9:48think christa sort of
280. 9:50sums it up very well where she says you
281. 9:52know
282. 9:53um i had a platform with and then she
283. 9:56mentions this
284. 9:58um channel and quite funny in
285. 10:01one of the um websites i think it's
286. 10:05entertainment tonight or something
287. 10:08they actually get the name of the
288. 10:11channel wrong
289. 10:13they call it something true detective
290. 10:14but in any event
291. 10:17i think that is what she wanted all
292. 10:18along she wants a platform and so she
293. 10:20gets a platform
294. 10:22because she's gotten access to
295. 10:25chris watson and obviously what is
296. 10:26happening is double dealing
297. 10:28you form a friendship or isn't it is it
298. 10:32not double dealing
299. 10:33you form a friendship with this person
300. 10:34you form a a bond of trust
301. 10:37and then you go behind the back and you
302. 10:39say you know what i don't really believe
303. 10:40him
304. 10:41i don't think this and i don't think
305. 10:42that and then you go back and forth and
306. 10:44back and forth and back and forth
307. 10:46the other thing that i think is quite
308. 10:48interesting is although
309. 10:50all the media are saying that that uh
310. 10:53christa
311. 10:54is engaged to um the cellmate
312. 10:58that that i think his name is dylan
313. 11:02that shared the cell with uh chris watts
314. 11:05or
315. 11:06you know was in a cell next to him that
316. 11:08that engagement's no longer the case
317. 11:10that's
318. 11:11just not happening so one's also going
319. 11:14to wonder
320. 11:15in terms of that engagement was that a
321. 11:17genuine engagement or was
322. 11:19that also you know playing around with
323. 11:22people
324. 11:22in order to extract information
325. 11:26there was a really bizarre piece of news
326. 11:29where um her former fiancee dylan
327. 11:33and chris watts were disciplined in july
328. 11:36after watching underwear and vaseline
329. 11:38were found in
330. 11:39tillman's cell make of that what you
331. 11:41will but i'll put a link to that
332. 11:43in the description or in a pinned
333. 11:46comment
334. 11:48doesn't make sense you were having an
335. 11:50affair with a married man
336. 11:52whose family had this horrific tragedy
337. 11:56i would apologize and how can i help
338. 11:59that's what i would do
339. 12:00not fall off the grid completely
340. 12:03now what i find weirdly ironic with
341. 12:07christa's position here is that she's
342. 12:10befriending chris watts and then
343. 12:14the person that she seems to have a
344. 12:16problem with is nicole kessinger
345. 12:18and you know as early as november
346. 12:22nicole kissinger was quoted in an
347. 12:25exclusive interview with the denver post
348. 12:27saying
349. 12:28i just wanted to help with a pregnant
350. 12:31woman and two children missing
351. 12:32i was going to do anything that i could
352. 12:34and so she
353. 12:36seems to be christa seems to be accusing
354. 12:39nicole kissinger of not helping when
355. 12:42there's
356. 12:43interview of the interview of the
357. 12:44interview of the interview
358. 12:46with the cbi and i know people will say
359. 12:50well she wasn't completely honest there
360. 12:53were
361. 12:53things that she was holding back but
362. 12:55some of that was
363. 12:57things that are fairly lured
364. 13:00and you know does the public have the
365. 13:02right to know
366. 13:04those sort of details and i know what
367. 13:06you'll say yes they do
368. 13:07of course if it was you you would feel
369. 13:09exactly the same
370. 13:11but the thing that i think is important
371. 13:13to stress and i
372. 13:15i stressed it in a shakedown blog
373. 13:18episode where i showed the actual text
374. 13:22between kessinger and kobach where she's
375. 13:24asking him repeatedly
376. 13:25uh you know can we meet first thing in
377. 13:27the morning can we meet this time can we
378. 13:29meet that time and he's actually
379. 13:31too busy always fobbing her off and
380. 13:33she's trying to make arrangements for
381. 13:35them to meet
382. 13:36and so there is someone who's making an
383. 13:38effort to come forward and trying to
384. 13:40help
385. 13:41repeatedly she's calling him early in
386. 13:43the morning saying
387. 13:44you know something else has occurred to
388. 13:45me but of course if you don't know the
389. 13:48discovery very well if you don't know
390. 13:50the case very well then it's very easy
391. 13:52to
392. 13:52point the finger and make accusations
393. 13:56on the other point that she made about
394. 13:58you know she should have said
395. 14:00sorry she might have a point
396. 14:04i don't see her saying sorry in the
397. 14:08in the denver post article i can't
398. 14:12really find
399. 14:13any um sort of explicit
400. 14:16apology in the um
401. 14:20sort of questioning the questions and
402. 14:22answers there's nothing like that there
403. 14:25and so maybe not maybe i think
404. 14:28kessinger could definitely have been
405. 14:30more um
406. 14:32sort of been very clear that that she
407. 14:35feels very bad about what's happened
408. 14:37and and is apologetic she could
409. 14:40definitely have done that
410. 14:43having said that i think you've kind of
411. 14:46heard that from chris watts you've heard
412. 14:48him apologizing and saying he's sorry
413. 14:51you even heard that minutes after his
414. 14:53first confession to
415. 14:54his father and um
416. 14:58we know how much that was worth i mean
417. 15:00it was an apology within lies
418. 15:02right he also apologized to
419. 15:06coda for for lying to him and then but
420. 15:08but then
421. 15:09the next thing was lies as well so so
422. 15:12you know
423. 15:13an apology needs to be sincere
424. 15:17i also think there is a certain amount
425. 15:19of bias where
426. 15:21people because they want to believe
427. 15:23chris watts is
428. 15:24horrible that they try and make him out
429. 15:26to be even more horrible than he is so
430. 15:28they'll say for example you know he
431. 15:30never shed one tear
432. 15:32and they might actually be quoting
433. 15:34something that
434. 15:35tammy lee said to him at the time but of
435. 15:37course in court you actually can see a
436. 15:39tear coming down his face so
437. 15:41this whole idea that he never shed a
438. 15:43tear and he was never emotional
439. 15:45um isn't true it's based on some truth
440. 15:48because he wasn't very emotional
441. 15:50but the same can be said with kissinger
442. 15:52maybe she
443. 15:54wasn't as emotional as she should have
444. 15:56been i kind of get the feeling she was
445. 15:58quite shocked and other things as well i
446. 16:02certainly don't want to sound like i'm
447. 16:03defending her
448. 16:04but at the same time i don't think it's
449. 16:06accurate to say that
450. 16:08she didn't seem sorry especially when we
451. 16:10listen to this
452. 16:13he's so disgusting i'm so ashamed of him
453. 16:16why
454. 16:16why why why how i don't even understand
455. 16:19how you could like bring yourself to do
456. 16:21that to somebody who's like
457. 16:23that [ __ ] now if you spent any time
458. 16:26listening to the
459. 16:27original audio i don't mean some of
460. 16:29these clips
461. 16:31then there's quite a length of time that
462. 16:32it takes her to regain her composure
463. 16:36and i know there are a lot of people who
464. 16:38no matter what you say
465. 16:39will insist on blaming nicole kissinger
466. 16:42and disliking her but i don't think you
467. 16:44can say that
468. 16:45she doesn't express regret
469. 16:48and that she's unhappy about what has
470. 16:51happened i don't think you can say that
471. 16:54i do think it's quite a good point has
472. 16:56she expressed
473. 16:58something to shanann's family as she
474. 17:01communicated with them and said
475. 17:03she's sorry if she hasn't maybe that
476. 17:05would be a good thing
477. 17:07but probably if she has it would have
478. 17:08been indirectly through
479. 17:10a lawyer the other side of it is if you
480. 17:13were on the receiving end of that would
481. 17:15it really mean anything
482. 17:17so i want to ask you for your input what
483. 17:19do you think do you think
484. 17:21that chris watts has been played
485. 17:24not just by one one person
486. 17:28but by several people or do you think
487. 17:31that he
488. 17:32was playing other people which one do
489. 17:34you think it is
490. 17:36my impression is that chris watts
491. 17:38definitely lacks the
492. 17:39ability to know who to trust
493. 17:43and who to sort of how to go about
494. 17:47how to even go about trusting a person i
495. 17:50don't think he's got a lot of experience
496. 17:51with that and i think it shows
497. 17:54but uh at the same time one's got to ask
498. 17:57who are the real monsters here
499. 17:59if you've got a someone like chris watts
500. 18:01who we know
501. 18:02did what he did and then you've got
502. 18:03people trying to carry favor with him
503. 18:06trying to become his pal
504. 18:08meanwhile if that's not bad enough it
505. 18:11turns out that they're actually
506. 18:12deceiving him in order to
507. 18:14do something else whatever that is and
508. 18:16then can one say that that is
509. 18:19um something that is to be commended can
510. 18:22one say that that is
511. 18:24something that society needs right
512. 18:27is that the way that things should be
513. 18:30that you sort of
514. 18:31um you know try and wrangle your way
515. 18:34into
516. 18:35a high-profile criminal's inner circle
517. 18:40misrepresent yourself misrepresent all
518. 18:43sorts of things
519. 18:44and then you come out and you tell you
520. 18:47you have your expose and you are the
521. 18:50hero of the story
522. 18:51it's a little bit like i think going to
523. 18:53mount everest
524. 18:55and stepping over dead bodies and um
525. 19:00you know saying things and doing certain
526. 19:02things that
527. 19:04that aren't actually very redeeming
528. 19:08but then coming back and still saying
529. 19:09well you know i deserve a naughty badge
530. 19:11i deserve
531. 19:12a medal around my neck for my bravery
532. 19:15and for what incredible person i am
533. 19:18is is that really the case and you know
534. 19:21word that i've heard
535. 19:22so much you know people pointing to
536. 19:24chris watts and accusing him of being a
537. 19:26narcissist chris watts
538. 19:27is a narcissist chris watches this or
539. 19:29that kind of narcissist kind of thing
540. 19:31it goes on and on and on and on and then
541. 19:34you've sort of got to ask yourself
542. 19:36these people making these accusations
543. 19:40there wouldn't happen to be any kind of
544. 19:42vanity
545. 19:43self-interest need for attention any of
546. 19:47those
547. 19:47things with you would there there
548. 19:50wouldn't be any
549. 19:50sort of need for um any of that kind of
550. 19:54um ego massaging with you
551. 19:57would there there wouldn't be any kind
552. 19:59of sense of
553. 20:01taking pleasure in being the center of
554. 20:03attention
555. 20:04doesn't matter what the attention is but
556. 20:06it wouldn't doesn't matter um being the
557. 20:08center of attention
558. 20:09um and that's does that have anything to
559. 20:11do with narcissism
560. 20:14is that got anything to do with healthy
561. 20:16narcissism or unhealthy narcissism
562. 20:18what do you think so i hope you found
563. 20:21this episode
564. 20:23useful uh bear in mind i'm basing it
565. 20:26simply on watching the previews and the
566. 20:28little bit of information that i know
567. 20:30from just a little bit of you know
568. 20:34what people have told me and what i've
569. 20:36observed in passing
570. 20:38um who knows maybe this particular
571. 20:41episode
572. 20:42one lifetime will really be interesting
573. 20:44and stimulating who knows
574. 20:46all i know is that the episode on casey
575. 20:49anthony
576. 20:51did have some info information that was
577. 20:53useful
578. 20:55um something tells me we're not going to
579. 20:57have those sort of insights
580. 20:59in terms of the actual mechanism of the
581. 21:01crime
582. 21:02in this particular in this particular
583. 21:05instance
584. 21:06but we'll see thank you for listening if
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