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0:00do doctors get paid by big Pharma so I
0:03can't tell you how often I hear this
0:05literally every single day on social
0:07media somebody post oh my God you're a
0:10shield for big Pharma how much are they
0:11paying you so first of all it's super
0:14easy to look up you go to the government
0:16website I think it's open payments. CMS
0:18CMS stands for like centers for Medicare
0:20and something. goov openpayments.cms.gov
0:24and you can actually look up any doctor
0:27you want to see if they are getting paid
0:30by big Pharma the regulations are super
0:33strict it's just about as strict as the
0:35SEC the financial markets if you try to
0:37do any insider trading you're selling
0:39this buying that they are watching you
0:41like a hawk everything has to be
0:43reported this I believe started back in
0:462005 they can't even drop off like a pen
0:49or a reprinted article from like the New
0:51England Journal of medic of of medicine
0:53without putting it on your record that
0:55they handed you a reprinted article or a
0:57pen or a notebook or a sandwich from
0:59Panera whatever it might be all of that
1:01is recorded So this was a super fun
1:03interview I interviewed a gentleman
1:05named Andrew who's been in my community
1:07for about a year now and if you don't
1:10know what the community is it's Dr
1:11al.net community d.net community this is
1:14our community of Health and longev
1:16Longevity gurus me and my friends that
1:18want to live to over a 100 we talk about
1:21lipids we talk about your how to live
1:23longer exercise diet nutrition you know
1:27everything for you you get a app where
1:29where you can text and talk to your to
1:31me and my friends pretty much every day
1:33we meet on Zoom once a week every week
1:37for it's been going on for over a year
1:39now and we answer questions like this so
1:41this was a super fun interview we talked
1:43everything from regulations how hard it
1:45is to you know report this stuff and how
1:49hard it is to get away with it it used
1:50to be you know back in the 80s and 90s
1:53maybe that farm reps could take you on a
1:55golf trip or take you to Hawaii for some
1:57training and take you to this and take
1:58you to that you cannot do that 2005 they
2:01banned all that none of that is allowed
2:03the sunshine act came a little bit later
2:06where now everything has to be reported
2:09so there's no doctor anywhere getting
2:11even a Penny from Big Pharma without it
2:14being reported this is easily easily
2:17verified you can easily do this there's
2:20literally no reason to guess the other
2:23thing that people think is like we get a
2:24check at the end of the month well how
2:25much how much statins did you prescribe
2:27this month did you get a check yet stens
2:30are generic nobody's getting checks for
2:33medications that cost 2 pennies a day
2:35you could argue well what about in the
2:36back in the day when lipor was not
2:39generic they they probably came out to
2:41doctor's offices and gave them lunches
2:43and took some doctors out but that it's
2:45illegal now none of that happens if they
2:47come to your office and bring you a
2:49lunch you get charged that $10 you it
2:51get it goes on your
2:53record it's all open knowledge it's all
2:56public knowledge I think if you guys
2:57want to take a really deep dive into how
2:59big Pharma and medicine is connected
3:01this is the interview for you I'll stop
3:04blabbering you guys can listen to it
3:06this is myself and Andrew all right so
3:10welcome to the uh show I really wanted
3:13to bring Andrew on because Andrew works
3:17you know quote unquote for big Pharma
3:19and one of the biggest things that I see
3:21that you know people on my comments
3:23section and you know various you know
3:25under almost every video I post
3:27everyone's like you're a big shield for
3:28Pharma you're a shield for Pharma and
3:30Pharma this and Pharma that so I wanted
3:32to bring someone on who is actually big
3:36Pharma and just to talk to us about
3:39maybe the rules and regulations they
3:41have because I know the rules changed in
3:422005 and I know you've been doing this
3:44for a very long time and you know I want
3:48to talk about maybe first how drugs come
3:51to Market and then what you guys are
3:54allowed to say or do with doctors
3:56because a lot of people think you guys
3:57take us on these lavish vacations to
3:59Hawai or pay us under the table or even
4:03just straight up pay us like you know
4:04some people think that doctors get paid
4:07at the end of the month for how much you
4:09know Statin they prescribed here or
4:12whatever medication they prescribed and
4:13I don't know why this is but I figured
4:15one of the best ways to dispel these uh
4:18theories and and and you know conspiracy
4:21theories is to have someone on actually
4:23who works with big Pharma represents
4:25medications to doctors um shows up to
4:28conferences you know does whatever you
4:30know brings doc uh you know medications
4:34to Market I think that's a great place
4:36to start now still probably some people
4:38are GNA think we're just lying and you
4:40know making it up you know but hey we
4:42still got to do it you know right so why
4:45don't why don't you introduce yourself
4:47first tell us a little bit about
4:48yourself and then we'll maybe kind of go
4:49from there Al so my name is Andrew um
4:52I'm a personal friend of Dr Alo and I've
4:54uh I've been in the pharmaceutical
4:56industry for um the last 10 years years
5:00I have absolutely for a off the bat I
5:02have absolutely no business relationship
5:04whatsoever with Dr Alo I be honest with
5:08you I don't even know where his office
5:09is um I know he's somewhere in Ohio
5:11that's all I know I'm about seven states
5:13away in Florida so um you know we became
5:17friends on Instagram one of the things I
5:18kept noticing was all the all the
5:20rhetoric out there about uh big him
5:23being a you know a shill for big Pharma
5:26and so forth and you know I think what
5:28really motivated me to discuss this was
5:31because I feel that because of that that
5:33stigma people are making the wrong
5:35decisions in terms of their overall care
5:39um so for one you know we I wanted to
5:43discuss I don't think people really
5:45understand how a drug actually comes to
5:46Market okay it is a very very long and
5:50extremely expensive process here's the
5:53process number one there's Discovery and
5:56development they discover a compound
5:59single molecule usually let's say single
6:01molecule usually the easiest if you want
6:03to say easiest then there's the
6:05preclinical research okay where it goes
6:07into investigations then there's
6:09clinical research that's where we have
6:11phase one phase two phase three there's
6:14FDA drug review and F and then there's
6:17step five would be the FDA has market
6:19drug drug safety monitoring what I just
6:22explained is a very long process and on
6:25average for a single molecule could
6:27probably usually comes to about 900 $85
6:30million in cost up to I mean more
6:34complicated medications could be several
6:35billion dollars so it's a very very long
6:38and expensive process and here's the
6:40thing there's a lot of medications that
6:43have been uh that don't make it that
6:45fail in phase two fail in phase three
6:48and it's a lot of money that they're
6:50investing in making sure that a drug
6:52actually works it's a lot of rigorous
6:55testing to make sure that these
6:57medications actually work they improve
6:59patient outcomes and they essentially
7:02save lives um so right off the bat I
7:06wanted to talk about how you know
7:08expensive of a process it is and what
7:12all the work goes into actually when
7:15that medication you know gets from a
7:18theory to you picking it up at the
7:21pharmacy it's very long very very
7:24expensive and I guess in terms of time
7:28Horizon because a lot of people don't
7:29understand saying like a drug may have
7:30been discovered in in you know a
7:32molecule let's say a may have been
7:34discovered in
7:351970 but it didn't never came to Market
7:38till 1986 for example why why is that
7:42the case I know you understand it and I
7:44understand it but maybe explain to us
7:45maybe the the process that things have
7:48to go through well one you got to get
7:49somebody to fund it you have to have um
7:52you have to have you have to have
7:54somebody to fund this like for example a
7:56lot of your third generation beta
7:58blockers
8:00um that are the cardio selected ones
8:01they were actually they they were known
8:03about back in the late 90s but they
8:05didn't actually come to Market till you
8:07know probably around 2010 2011 and so
8:11forth so one you have to have somebody
8:13who's going to fund these studies who's
8:15going to actually discover the molecule
8:16fund the studies and they're really
8:19going to uh in invest um invest a lot
8:21into it and it has to go through all the
8:23regulatory approval it's a very long
8:25again it's a very long process and you
8:27have to have have people that um a
8:30company that's really uh has the
8:32financial means to put it through that
8:35rigorous testing and I think that as
8:39difficult as that is I think that's also
8:41the good thing it's good that you could
8:44be almost rest assured when you
8:45prescribe it to a patient and you know
8:47when I talk about it with you that these
8:49drugs have been rigorously studied okay
8:55and you know to ensure the most amount
8:57of safety and anything that is deemed to
9:00be unsafe um in clinical trials they
9:03they act it right away so I think that's
9:05one of the things that people don't
9:06realize the difference between a
9:08supplement versus a
9:10pharmaceutical they both go through
9:12almost the same kind of process except
9:15that to become an actual pharmaceutical
9:17they have to prove efficacy they have to
9:20prove that it beat Placebo by you know
9:22large margins they have to prove that it
9:24was reproducible you know that not just
9:27one lab one place tried it and it work
9:29you know you have to have tons of
9:30studies to show that this thing works
9:32and we can purify it we can make it
9:34easily whether it's an injection or a
9:37pill or you know I don't know all kinds
9:39of different ways eye drops whatever you
9:41have to prove that whereas in the case
9:43of a supplement you really don't you
9:45just tou on something big right there
9:47because
9:48nowadays there's a lot of supplements
9:51out there that we could mention
9:52especially in the cardiovascular space
9:54that people ask me about they ask you
9:57about because they hear they see
10:00something where a study showed that
10:01using natoc canes cleared somebody's
10:03arteries okay for example I would love
10:06to believe that okay I would love for
10:09that to be I'm serious I'd love for that
10:10to be true it sounds great okay but
10:13really they haven't been tested it
10:15hasn't really been shown in a multitude
10:18of patient cohorts the studies are
10:20extremely horribly designed um and it's
10:24not really well monitored not really
10:25well regulated you don't really know
10:27what's in it um you know but but for but
10:31most most supplements or most
10:34pharmaceutical drugs one time were
10:36supplements is something you really good
10:37um extrapolating on like we talk about
10:40statins are derivatives derivatives of
10:42um meore was derivative of red yeast
10:44rice we talk about that the otens
10:47converting enzymes are derivatives of
10:50Venom um how metformin is derivative of
10:54the French lilac plant in France and how
10:57aspirin's oil of winter green so a lot
10:58of pharmaceutical drugs they did have
11:01natural Origins that in the discovery
11:04process we did see that they had promise
11:06and that they did work what the
11:08pharmaceutical companies do is the what
11:11we do is we understand how to dose it
11:14because that's great that these drugs
11:15but we don't know how to dose it we know
11:17how to dose it we know how to tweak it
11:19so it can be better absorbable like for
11:21example it's like I know um a lot of the
11:23a lot of these supplements but one of
11:25the big ones now is kirkin which might
11:28show a little promise the problem is it
11:30has really bad absorption for example so
11:33therefore nobody really knows how much
11:34you even need how much you would you
11:36even need to take to get a therapeutic
11:37effect so that's where you know we would
11:41we would research it and we would
11:42determine if this actually works and how
11:45to dose it for example so you know
11:48that's that's and the thing is the
11:50dietary supplement again you don't
11:51really know what all you're getting they
11:53could say anything they want because
11:55there is no governing body that holds
11:57them accountable they could say I mean
12:00some of the claims on like for example
12:01talks about like the beetroot or
12:04something like that where it talks about
12:05lowering blood pressure nitric oxide and
12:08I'm like well I know what stimulates
12:10endothelial nitric oxide you know and
12:13I'm like that stuff Dam sure Ain bolic
12:15you know so like anyhow so yeah that's
12:18um that's one of the big uh issues we
12:20have going on yeah I always tell the
12:22story I have a friend who in the mid to
12:26late 2000s you know owned a supplement
12:28company
12:29I think this is one of the big problems
12:31with the supplement industry I mean it's
12:33a problem and it's not a problem in in a
12:34certain way it's nice that you can just
12:36bring things to the market to test it
12:37out on people but also it's unregulated
12:39and it's crazy to be able to make up
12:41stuff and test on people but this guy he
12:44you order these from China or India or
12:46wherever it might be he got these
12:47specifically from China you basically
12:49send him a graphic of your label they
12:51print your label put it on these bottles
12:52and they were really just sugar pills
12:55and you you could put anything on the
12:57label you wanted you could put
12:59testosterone booster you could put
13:02French lilac you know you can just make
13:03up whatever you want you know horse hoof
13:06shaving extract whatever I mean you know
13:08there's all kinds of nutty stuff
13:09nowadays but you could literally put
13:11almost anything you want on the bottle
13:13on the wrapper they chip him 5,000 of
13:16these things with you know 30 tablets in
13:18each one or whatever it might be and
13:19he'd sell them on Amazon and I remember
13:21one month he was struggling to sell them
13:23so he just relabeled the
13:26bottles he would just switch it he would
13:28just switch it from like testosterone
13:30booster to G Boba to whatever you just
13:32kept switching it until finally started
13:34selling the funny thing is people would
13:36leave reviews and comments I'm like yeah
13:38as soon as I got this I felt so much
13:39better you know the problem is people
13:42will feel better if they are taking
13:43something that they think will make them
13:45feel better because the placebo effect
13:47is so potent that even if you are
13:49getting the placebo and even if you know
13:51you're getting the placebo you will
13:53still report improved outcomes which
13:55people don't understand how potent that
13:57is when you believe in something you
13:59believe it's going to help you and you
14:00start taking it you notice that you feel
14:03better so you were going to say
14:04something no there was a there was a
14:06study I forget the exact statistic where
14:09it showed that I think four out of five
14:12um fish oil supplements did not contain
14:16any fish oil or there were there was
14:18some fish oil but it had really
14:20contaminate it was a lot of like other
14:22ingredients and contaminants in it too
14:24that's another thing that we got to
14:25bring up there you know a lot of this
14:27stuff is not being made in an da
14:29approved facility and you don't really
14:31you don't know what other kind of
14:32fillers they're putting in there and
14:34there's one thing there's two things
14:36that you brought up that were really
14:37good points um is that they could say
14:39whatever they want when a drug gets to
14:42Market okay the only thing you can say
14:44about it is what its indication is okay
14:49for example if your drug is for kidney
14:52disease the only thing you could say is
14:54that yes this is for kidney disease or
14:56the only thing this you this is for
14:57hypertension this is for cholesterol
14:59whatever you know in the dietary
15:02supplement world it's like the wild west
15:04they can say whatever the hell they want
15:06so to me what is more unethical you I
15:10mean what is more shady you know in my
15:13in my opinion now granted there are
15:15supplements that worked and we talked
15:16about this yesterday creatin monohydrate
15:19absolutely Works
15:21absolutely absolutely Works um you know
15:25but a lot a lot of what we see you know
15:28some of them have promise but again it's
15:31a really unregulated um yeah and
15:34contamination even happens in you know
15:37prescription drugs we've had a lot of
15:38recalls you know I remember one year
15:40like we can't you know they recalled all
15:42the lartin you know because it was came
15:44from a factory that was contaminated
15:46with whatever it was some carcinogenic
15:48stuff and they had to pull it so even if
15:50you are fully regulated and whatnot
15:53there are still chances that something
15:55makes it through that isn't or is toxic
15:57or whatever or doesn't have enough like
15:59one year it was like oh there it was
16:00only 18 milligrams instead of 32 or
16:02whatever it might be I'm just making
16:04that up but even in FDA regulated stuff
16:08sometimes things can happen so just
16:10imagine in a completely unregulated
16:12market like it like let's say we didn't
16:14have FDA rules and regulations I could
16:16literally put the word testosterone on
16:20pills and sell them and scam everybody
16:22and make billions of dollars cuz there's
16:24no rules or regulations the supplements
16:26don't work but like what I mean people
16:29buy it you know yeah they will buy it
16:31and and they will obviously not get
16:33better obviously you got any idea how
16:35many people bought the liver King
16:36protein powder or something oh well he
16:39stated in an interview before he even
16:41became popular that he made $100 million
16:42do a year selling supplements and he
16:45owned 20 sub companies and they're
16:47bringing to Market this guy stuff and
16:49this guy stuff Paul saladino you know
16:51carnivore MD who's no longer carnivore
16:54uh he he's the you know we I debated him
16:57he uh he was one of his subsidary
17:00companies that he sells I forgot the
17:02name of his company soil and earth or
17:05something like that but he sells he
17:07sells liver extract supplements or
17:10testicle goat liver whatever it is but
17:14they sell the stuff to to people
17:17claiming all these benefits and they got
17:19a huge following and people buy it and
17:22they don't realize that you might be
17:23getting something that's contaminated
17:25something that contains nothing or
17:27something that even if it contains liver
17:29extract what is it actually doing for
17:31you you know what what is the point you
17:33know it may or may not have any benefits
17:36and another thing that people don't
17:37realize is all of these supplement
17:39companies are owned by Pharmaceuticals
17:43like how hard is it to make fake sugar
17:45pills and label them fish oil omega-3
17:48you know whatever you want whatever it
17:49might be you know it's very easy for you
17:51you already own a company you already
17:52bottle of you know pills and whatever
17:54you could easily throw labels on there
17:56and and they there are third party
17:58tested ones I get all that you know
17:59we're not you know going down the rabbit
18:02hole just saying it's all fake you could
18:03be buy buying a b complex you know P
18:06hole it contains everything it says it
18:08contains but those are still owned by
18:10pharmaceutical companies so people are
18:12like well yeah I don't want to support
18:13big Pharma I'm just gonna buy
18:16supplements instead well you are
18:17supporting big Pharma who do you think
18:19makes Nature's made just I just it kills
18:22me because it's like the amount of
18:24people probably you know what probably
18:26in your practice probably 90% here I'm
18:29going to say something that's pretty
18:30bold I would say 90% of your patients
18:32would be dead if it wasn't for
18:33pharmaceutical drugs oh I would say the
18:36reason that many Americans and people
18:39all across the world are still alive
18:40today is because of Medical Therapeutics
18:43whether it's the the big Pharma drugs or
18:46the stent technology the MRI Mach
18:49scanners the Phillips whatever cameras I
18:52mean all of that the anti-cancer yeah
18:55say not just in cardiology but in the
18:57field of onology and so I mean the
18:59amount of people that I mean look how
19:01long people are living look how how
19:03obese they are unfortunate look at the
19:04amount of metabolic syndrome we see and
19:07people are still walking around the
19:09problem is that they they don't realize
19:13until it's too late they have already
19:15graduated to a
19:16Cardiologist and that when I say
19:18graduated to a Cardiologist they didn't
19:20listen to their PCP primary care
19:22position and you know now they're in a
19:24position where they have to take the
19:26medications and so forth and next thing
19:28you know it's like realized oh they work
19:29I should have done this I should have
19:30done this a lot sooner rather than
19:32taking beetroot or you know cinnamon or
19:36whatever whatever you want to whatever
19:38you know another thing people don't
19:39realize is like some of these far netral
19:42you know the the supplements actually
19:44increase inflammation and increase there
19:46like you know cinnamon in one of the
19:48studies actually increased CRP you know
19:51an inflammatory markers so I think
19:52people think these things are benign oh
19:54it comes from nature it must be healthy
19:57not always you try drinking arsenic or
20:00whatever it might be you will be dead
20:03right and a lot of these from nauticals
20:06you know supplements unfortunately have
20:08adverse effects and outcomes that people
20:10don't realize like oh I take you I had a
20:12patient once they're on they're on like
20:1415 different things like vitamin this
20:17and vitamin that and you know cinnamon
20:19and turmeric and garlic I'm like dud how
20:21much does this cost you a month there's
20:23like 600 bucks a month of stuff that
20:26could be going towards healthier better
20:28food
20:29could be going towards their actual
20:30medications at work you know although
20:32like their insurance probably covers
20:33most of it but still you're spending six
20:36700 a month on something that is
20:38unproven you don't even know if it is in
20:40what you're taking and may have harmful
20:43effects or may be interacting together
20:45because there's nobody checking like you
20:46know when you go to the pharmacy at
20:47least you pick up a prescription the
20:50computer system automatically checks
20:52interactions right they're taking kumin
20:54with the am odone with sistan with
20:56whatever the uh the computer already
21:00checks to see if there's interactions
21:01but if you're taking all this
21:03nonsense the computer has no idea
21:06because and and and you have no idea
21:07you're buying a bottle of vitamin this
21:09and vitamin that and you know whatever
21:11and they all don't play well together
21:13you you could be causing more harm than
21:16than good to yourself um so so you
21:19brought up a really good point you said
21:20most of the drugs are covered anyway
21:23which is true because most of the
21:25medications and this is going to tie
21:26into what I really want get into about
21:29do Physicians get paid by big Pharma
21:31because that's one of the things I see
21:32people harass me about um so um most of
21:36the medications I would argue that most
21:38of the medications you prescribe are
21:40generic yeah absolutely yeah almost
21:43everything we prescribe is a $3 to $20
21:47co-pay for a 90day supply depending on
21:50what your insurance is and what plan you
21:51even even with generic medications even
21:54if you don't have insurance they're like
21:5620 bucks yeah so
21:59most of them most of them
22:02doc if they're generic most of them are
22:04really cheap that if you're a cashpaid
22:06patient it should be
22:08affordable absolutely they're like
22:11almost every cardiac medication with the
22:13exception of maybe I'd say the newer
22:16like weight loss drugs the newer
22:18diabetes drugs
22:20maybe the heart the newer heart failure
22:22drugs the majority like there's a few
22:25there's a handful that that we kind of
22:26need that are not generic but the vast
22:28majority I'd say 90% are generic and
22:31there's no money in generic drugs I mean
22:34no there's no money drugs at all because
22:38they're no longer being marketed there's
22:40no more Representatives out there
22:42discussing their e efficacy and their
22:45efficiency there's yeah there's there's
22:47none more and there's a bunch of there's
22:48a lot of companies now have the rights
22:50to them and so that's why it's so cheap
22:52a lot of generic manufacturers yeah so
22:55they're very their pennies in the dollar
22:57and U now we talk about
22:59doctors being being paid so there's one
23:01thing that everything due to Stark law
23:04and sunshine act that requires a physici
23:06to report any kind of monies they
23:09receive from any kind of entity so
23:12there's a website you could go on to
23:14called open payments.com
23:16now you can go to open payments.com and
23:20you could look and see how much money he
23:22has received okay it's not much so
23:25you're going to be disappointed if you
23:26go check it out he ain't getting rich
23:27off of big Pharma
23:29okay it's not at all so and and that's
23:32the thing that people don't realize it's
23:34actually public information you can go
23:36to like you said I think it's
23:37openpayments.cms.gov
23:39or or something like that I'll put the
23:41link you know down below but people can
23:43go and look you can type in your family
23:45doctor your oncologist you could type in
23:47any doctor in the country let's say
23:48there's this famous doctor on YouTube
23:51that's always talking about cancer drugs
23:52or treatments or whatever you can
23:54actually type their name in and see how
23:55much research grants they've received
23:58you you know from from pharmaceutical
23:59companies how much how many lunches
24:02they've received how many whatever and
24:04it's all listed there and it's split up
24:05even by the type of payments let say
24:07they received 53 payments of $10 you
24:11know those are and they're listed as
24:13like you know the lunches that the farm
24:15reps bring you you know if they received
24:17a research grant for $180,000 you know
24:19it could be they're working on the next
24:20big CT scanner or something I don't know
24:22you I'm kind of making that up but it is
24:24broken down by different you know ways
24:28that that funding got there whether it's
24:29research grants or educational programs
24:32like you know these lunches and dinners
24:34and whatever so it's it's public it's
24:36public knowledge it's super regulated
24:38why don't you explain to us maybe the
24:41process that you have to go through as a
24:42farm rep now you you are a farm rep
24:44right and you bring food to doctor's
24:47offices you do educational programs
24:49whether it's dinners or you drop off
24:52samples and you bring lunch for the
24:54office explain to us how complicated
24:56that is and what you have to do on your
24:58end to report things like that so
25:01lunches can't for one they can't go over
25:02a certain dollar amount I mean what
25:05would that be like how what does that
25:07mean so for example let's say you have
25:11usually it can't go usually it can't go
25:12over $5 $20 a head so in other words
25:16what you're buy it's called modest meals
25:18the meals have to be very very modest so
25:21it's you know it can't be like a $1,000
25:24bottle of wine or caviar or something
25:27has ordinary no no none of that so for a
25:30for an educational lunch what is called
25:32an educational lunch has to be has to be
25:34a modest meal for example it can't go
25:37over 10 usually $5 $20 ahead um and you
25:41could only do that twice a month per
25:44physician so it's not you can go there
25:46every day and you know bring fim and Yan
25:49and all that stuff I didn't even know
25:51that I didn't I didn't know that part
25:53that it was limited to twice a month
25:55that's good to know yeah it's limited to
25:56twice a month that's actually I don't
25:57know how recent that was but when I back
26:00in the day I don't know if it was like
26:01that but now it's now it's like they're
26:03limited to twice a month and um yeah you
26:06don't now you could it's two meals in a
26:08month and one snack I believe and a
26:11snack is like Starbucks or something
26:13like that's one time it's not every time
26:14it's not every time I'm seeing you and
26:17because there's there's there's laws now
26:19that state that we can't do anything
26:20that's going to influence a physician it
26:23has to be very everything has to be very
26:25modest everything has to be very um
26:28there's nothing you can do that can
26:30influence that doctor into prescribing
26:32your medication and how what does that
26:34mean what does that mean it can't be you
26:37can't influence a doctor like what does
26:39that mean it means you can't bring you
26:42can't I mean you can't bring items of
26:45monetary value you know I can't you
26:47can't walk into a doctor's office with
26:49hey I got front row seats the Broncos
26:51doc all right you know there you he
26:54already wants it so you know
26:58so so it can't be exorbitant obviously
27:02right can't be anything I mean the best
27:04I can give you is a sandwich from Subway
27:06because a lot of people so a lot of
27:08people you know when I tell them this
27:10you know I'll comment on one of my
27:11comments somebody like you're just
27:12getting paid by big farm and I'm like no
27:14I'm not you can actually not in the
27:16because you know in all fairness in all
27:17fairness is why we're doing this videos
27:19Because unless you're in the no how
27:21would you know how would you know that
27:23and that's what we're trying to
27:24demystify right there I get that part
27:27and I tell them I respond I say listen
27:30it's all public knowledge it's all pump
27:32public info it's tightly regulated you
27:34can actually go look it up on the
27:35government's website it's like no you're
27:37getting paid under the table because
27:39it's easier for somebody to believe that
27:41it's all a big conspiracy rather than to
27:43actual look at the actual facts look at
27:47the look at the look at the public
27:49record look at look at the laws research
27:51the laws it's more it's easier for me to
27:54just say ah he's getting paid by big
27:56Pharma and all that stuff you know I
27:58think that's that may be part of it but
28:00some people say well you're getting paid
28:02under the table I have family members
28:03that work in medicine and they tell me
28:05everything like how is it possible that
28:08somebody gets paid under the table what
28:09does that even mean I don't even know
28:12what what that means or how would that
28:14even work is there any way that a
28:17pharmaceutical company can pay a
28:18physician for example to prescribe meds
28:21or anything in a way that is quote
28:23unquote under the table or whatever it
28:25might be I can't see any way absolutely
28:29that is 100% inaccurate no there is a
28:33very big culture of
28:35compliance talk to me I remember one
28:37time you were explaining to me that you
28:39were at a conference you know your your
28:41company or somebody I forget what it was
28:43they they sponsored like a table at a
28:45conference maybe right you know I was
28:47about to bring that up yeah good point
28:49talk to me about that like what is the
28:50rules and regulations because I know
28:51it's super strict of what you can do
28:54what you can't do the amount of form
28:56because because I think old days you
28:58used to be able to bring doctors like
29:00pens and notebooks and a clock you know
29:03I remember what one of the doctor's
29:04officers had like a lipor clock or
29:06something like that but like you could
29:08in the past do stuff where you bring
29:10like non nonf food items and
29:12non-educational items but you you can't
29:15even give us a pen anymore you used to
29:16have all these like medical pens that
29:18had drug names on them but I remember my
29:20dad used to bring us those when we were
29:21kids but you're not even allowed to do
29:22that anymore right no because that that
29:24would be an item of monetary value the
29:26pen has value to it the only thing that
29:28I could give you is I can give you
29:31educational marketing material now
29:33certain educational marketing material
29:34like if I were to give you a jamama
29:36article um that would show up I forget
29:40how much that is that would show up on
29:41your open payments it was like $20 or
29:44something like that so even if you gave
29:45me a printed out article right you just
29:48photocopied an article out of a magazine
29:50or you know ordered the reprint whatever
29:52might be and you handed me an article I
29:55I would get that on my record even just
29:58photo copying out of a
30:01magazine yeah yeah essentially yes that
30:03would come on your record there's
30:05certain articles I could get I could
30:06give you that would come up on your
30:08record everything is accountable is
30:11accountable for now here's a way that
30:14doctors do get paid okay show me tell me
30:18yeah there are ways doctors do get paid
30:20and that is for doing educational
30:22programs so we do have doctors who are
30:25trained speakers that um
30:28they now how much it is I don't know
30:31they educate other physicians in the air
30:33we have dinner programs so where they
30:35you would educate your colleagues and so
30:37forth on you know um a certain
30:40medication notes within your field that
30:41you are um an advocate for now um it's
30:45got to be at an approved venue it there
30:48can be no alcohol
30:50involved um so they can be very boring
30:53um there's a specific menu you can order
30:56from uh the you can't bring anybody
30:59that's not involved in the prescribing
31:01process in other words you can't bring
31:03you can't bring your family with you you
31:06can't bring your kids with you it's a
31:08very lock and
31:10key uh meeting a very very very very
31:14very strict and the burden is on me to
31:17make sure that everything is
31:19compliant um and most of the time
31:22everything is but it's very there's a
31:23lot of rules and regulations you got to
31:25follow so what is the you have to fill
31:28out forms or how does that work I don't
31:30understand the back end of that I mean I
31:32just let's say like I did one that
31:33everybody's got to fill out a form like
31:35who they are you put your license number
31:37NPI number and so forth and you know you
31:40just you know you just State your you
31:42know who you are essentially so it would
31:45be like Dr Alo Muhammad Alo and then you
31:47put your your your your specialty
31:49Cardiology okay you're approved does the
31:52drug pertain to Cardiology if it does
31:53then he belongs here if it's a drug that
31:56pertains to Pediatrics then get the hell
31:58out you know so they're very strict so
32:01they're even strict with if I if I show
32:03up to one of these meetings it's for
32:04kidneys and not hearts that goes against
32:08you
32:10right I it's not GNA I mean maybe kidney
32:12and heart are too related right because
32:15cardal syndrome and all that yeah but
32:17let's say I show to a Podiatry
32:19meeting Tona fungus or something no no
32:23you know yeah so that would be very
32:26problematic and and how intense is the I
32:29remember one time you were explaining to
32:31me the amount of paperwork that you have
32:34to file in in these situations where
32:37let's say you dropped off an article I
32:39forget what it was you were explaining
32:40that the amount of like forms you have
32:42to fill out is um insane I forgot what
32:44it was um but but the the whole I guess
32:47the whole point is that it's it's very
32:50very regular it's everything has to be
32:52accountable for so if you leave if you
32:55leave an article of importance you know
32:58um of clinical value you have to account
33:01for who actually you gave that article
33:03for to what purpose it what what purpose
33:06you gave it to them for um so it's very
33:09it's very uh yeah it's it's more so it's
33:12a lot of accountability it's a lot of
33:14accountability it's a lot of Regulation
33:17you can't just walk in and hand anybody
33:19so those folders that they you know like
33:20those little folders or pamphlets they
33:23bring you does that count against you
33:25like if you drop off like a those little
33:28things like how to prescribe whatever
33:29medication might be do are those
33:32marketing materials technically that
33:33those are marketing materials but those
33:35aren't yeah those aren't like they're
33:37not monetary though they're not like
33:39monetary no like it was it's an article
33:42reprint that's different story an
33:44article reprint is different so yeah but
33:46if it was just like here's how to
33:49prescribe it here's a copay card or
33:51something like that that's that's
33:53different yeah that's I know I remember
33:55in in the in the past somebody would
33:57sometimes I get these Farm reps and
33:59they're like hey you know have you heard
34:00of our new drug it cures blah blah blah
34:02heart disease I'm like okay sure you
34:05know show me the studies I want to I
34:06want to read the studies so and then
34:08they next time they'll bring you a study
34:09so that actually counts against me if
34:11they bring me that reprinted New York
34:13Journal or whatever they have to tell
34:15you
34:17that they have to tell you that like if
34:19I were to bring you there specific
34:22article I could bring you let's say a
34:23jamama article I have to tell you hey
34:25Doc just let you know this is going
34:27against your
34:28uh your this is going to be on payments
34:30and so forth now if I don't tell you
34:32that and that comes up and the doctor
34:34sees it that that rep is not in
34:36compliance oh so I don't know that I've
34:39ever had anybody tell me that so uh
34:42maybe they assume you know I mean that's
34:44how ignorant I guess some of us are with
34:45this stuff um but yeah I don't know that
34:48anybody's ever said that to me and I I
34:50do if I'm very skeptical I usually am
34:53very skeptical about new medications
34:55right I mean we no way you
34:59yeah I'm even skeptical about
35:01medications are already approved for
35:02stuff yeah but but say somebody comes up
35:06with this new medication and they're
35:07like this stuff causes creates fixes
35:09everything right and I'm very skeptical
35:11I'm like okay well you know show me the
35:13studies and like you know I don't have
35:15it with me but I can bring it to you
35:16next week you know whatever it might be
35:18then next week they bring you a reprint
35:20and I look at it and read it over I can
35:22decide for myself if I think the
35:23medication's worthwhile or not but they
35:26generally at least in the past May did I
35:29don't recall them ever saying to me by
35:31the way if I hand you this this is going
35:33to show up on your open payments or your
35:35sun be because it might not have been an
35:37article that would qualify for that but
35:39if it's an article that qualifies for
35:41that you are supposed to let that doctor
35:43know so if it's one that required a
35:46reprint you know requests and rights and
35:49all that then then sure but if not then
35:51that like if it's an old one know the
35:53old New England Journal stuff is free
35:55like that stuff you don't have to pay
35:56for yeah after the first six months you
35:59can just access everything it's pretty
36:00much free so maybe right right right
36:02right right right so so yeah that's
36:06that's where that's where a lot of that
36:07a lot of that regulation and such and
36:09such comes in in terms of like yeah what
36:11you leave for a doctor but pens
36:14clocks um which they don't do anymore by
36:17the way that's illegal now that is
36:19that's yeah because
36:20that's value 2004 maybe or 2005 I think
36:24the rules changed around that like I
36:26remember back in the day
36:28they could bring you all that stuff like
36:30the the Levitra pen it would be like it
36:31would like go up no
36:33way you know the Calis you know erectile
36:36dysfunction pens one of them was called
36:38Levitra yeah I think that's of it I
36:40don't remember but it you you like to
36:42write with it you'd have to like press a
36:44button and it goes it like sticks up
36:46like that it was oh my God that's
36:48awesome they all had like super creative
36:49stuff some of the pens once like you
36:52know phones and tablets came out they
36:54had like the back end was a funny rubber
36:56thing that you could used to write on
36:58your iPhone or whatever and some of them
37:01had like laser pointers and all kinds of
37:02neat stuff but you know obviously they
37:04don't do that now some of the pens even
37:05had like a bright light you know you
37:07could look down somebody's throat with a
37:09lipor pen or whatever it was I don't I'm
37:10just making that part up but it was like
37:12they had some really creative stuff but
37:15all of a sudden I think right around
37:162005 all of that was banned you could
37:19have bring pens you couldn't bring
37:20notebooks you couldn't bring clocks you
37:22know all the display models like all
37:24those like you know cool little like
37:25like even just a display like this
37:28you know something simple that's
37:30educational they're not allowed to even
37:32bring stuff like that um anymore now you
37:34can order these online yourself and this
37:37one has a name on it of some company but
37:40they're not even allowed to bring you
37:41any of that stuff anymore so even like
37:43the littlest things they're not allowed
37:44to do was there ever a time I'll ask you
37:47because you've been doing this longer
37:49than I have was there ever a time where
37:51you could take doctors out to like
37:53Hawaii or Florida not in my not in my
37:55tenure no your because a lot of people
37:58also think that they think well yeah who
38:00took you to Hawaii last week I'm like
38:03nobody has ever taken me to Hawaii I
38:06would actually if if they were doing
38:07that I would sign
38:10up I mean I'm kidding I've never been to
38:12Hawaii but last I checked to take a
38:14family of six to Hawaii is like 40 50
38:17Grand or some ridiculous number like
38:19that oh oh easily yeah that that is uh
38:23that's off my list that's that's not
38:26that can't that is yeah that doesn't
38:28happen ever that is I think that's I
38:30think I think the problem is this I
38:31think people see stuff like the new
38:34Netflix documentaries where it was like
38:36that that that that uh document not
38:39documentary that that that series on the
38:42oxycodone um that I think it was Purdue
38:46made oh that series that series I know
38:50people see that and they think that
38:54that's oh that's got to be how the
38:55industry is and no that's that's that's
38:57not how the it's not one for all that's
38:59um you know because there have there
39:01have been outliers out there and um you
39:05know I think people see that and they're
39:06like Ah that's how the industry is
39:08that's like their aha that's like their
39:09gotcha moment when in reality it's like
39:12um you know that's that's not that's not
39:15really how it is at all so explain to me
39:18the process like let's say you show up
39:19to a doctor's office to talk about
39:22whatever medication and you bring
39:24everybody in the office lunch does does
39:26the whole ticket go on the doctor's
39:29record or does it also go on like the
39:31nursing staff's records or do those not
39:33I mean obviously they don't have open
39:34Sunshine laws for like the staff no that
39:36doesn't hit that do how does that that
39:38doesn't hit you so you only you only get
39:41hit for the $5 sandwich or $10 Panera
39:45you know soup or whatever it
39:47is what do what you let's say I have a
39:50staff of five people and you bring you
39:52bring everybody a Panera sandwich the
39:54total amount was like $56 but I ate a $5
39:57sandwich I only get the $5 sandwich on
40:00my sunshine a no none of that would go
40:03on none of that would go on your
40:04Sunshine so so the sandwich wouldn't go
40:06on my sunshine act no none of that none
40:08of that would none of that would get
40:10none of that would get reported I don't
40:12think I don't think an educational meal
40:13would get reported that way no I'm
40:16pretty sure it does you know I've seen
40:18those show up but I mean like it it's
40:20it's not your staff meal like you know
40:23like let's have nurse and oh I I see I
40:25see what your question is no it would be
40:27um it would be for example you had five
40:30people it would be 56 $56 and you would
40:32divide so it's why we have a signin
40:34sheet so everybody who's there has to
40:37write down I've we've done that yeah so
40:41we have a lot of offices right and I
40:43think one thing people to understand is
40:44like we have some offices in some pretty
40:46depressing parts of the city where you
40:49know some of these expensive non-generic
40:52medications that are lifes saving our
40:53patients need like elquist Toto and I
40:56know you're not you know in any of these
40:57medications so um you know it's not
41:01related but you know they need these
41:02medications let's say for heart failure
41:04even right and they can't afford them
41:06they're in the dnut hole like the
41:08elderly we have you know some offices in
41:09very poor areas some of our patients we
41:11see like completely for free they're
41:13like look doc I know I need to see you
41:14guys I I don't have insurance I don't
41:16have any like listen don't worry about
41:17the insurance we'll just charge you like
41:1810 bucks a month for the next few months
41:20or something no big deal like you know
41:21we don't we take care of patients
41:23regardless but when when the farmer
41:25brings us samples if they bring lunch
41:28for everybody you know let's say it's 10
41:30people and everybody it's like a $10
41:32sandwich for 10 people that's a 100
41:34bucks whatever it might be does that
41:35entire 100 bucks count against everybody
41:38in the office staff or that doctor or do
41:40you just get the 10 Buck sandwich or
41:43whatever it might be a good question I
41:45don't want to give you a definite answer
41:46because I'm not 100% sure on that one
41:48because I I had asked another Farm rep
41:50that same question and they said no you
41:52only get charged for that the one
41:54sandwich that you ate whether it's a $5
41:56to $10 sandwich or whatever it might be
41:58at least that's my understanding I don't
42:00really know and I have looked at my open
42:02payments um and and others I've
42:04researched it because I want to know
42:06what it is and what's reported man they
42:09got everything on
42:10there if somebody brings you even like a
42:14bag of chips you know or even a little
42:16Starbucks Coffee which I don't ever ask
42:18for and and and even if they they did
42:20which sometimes they'll do like hey dog
42:22I got you some coffee what did you like
42:23I'm like I just like black coffee like
42:26oh I got you a mocha like what is that
42:28like a big cup of sugar but they bring
42:30you this whole thing like coffee for
42:32everyone in the office but you know you
42:34get the $5 thing shows up on your
42:36whatever so I'm thinking you know I
42:38don't understand it fully um but from a
42:41reporting standpoint do you know how
42:43that part works on the back end or not
42:44really oh that part Works uh I I'm not
42:48exactly sure how that works on the back
42:50end all I know on R is we have to we
42:52have to record we have to record
42:55everybody who attended a educational
42:57lunch you know with a signin sheet and
42:59so forth make sure that they have that
43:01they have that they should be there uh
43:03there and and so forth but actually how
43:06that would be recorded on your back end
43:08how that would hit you I don't want to
43:10give a definite answer because I I'm not
43:12I'm not entirely sure maybe we'll do a
43:14followup and discuss follow I know is
43:17the meals have to be very modest they
43:18have to fit within a dollar specific
43:20dollar amount otherwise I you know
43:22otherwise the representative would get
43:24flagged for
43:25it gotcha yeah and then you guys would
43:28get in trouble and now is there like FDA
43:30oversight obviously I mean I'm assuming
43:33because it it is the CMS government's
43:35website is the government's website so
43:37like oh absolutely if like for example
43:39like somebody came to your office for
43:41lunch and they spent $1,000 on Fame
43:43minons and it was with three people uh
43:46there would be there would be one the
43:47expense report would never be approved
43:50um and you that person would get in a
43:52lot of trouble okay you'd have a lot of
43:54explaining to do you'd better have one
43:56damn good Reon why you did that I can't
43:58think of that would make sense right
44:01yeah and then the other question I have
44:03and this is maybe just what is your
44:06theory why do you think that people in
44:10the general public now obviously they
44:12don't know all of this we're doing this
44:14video to help educate people on this
44:15topic why do you think people in the
44:17general public think that at the end of
44:20the month you know some pharmaceutical
44:23company looks up how many lipor for
44:26example it is a medicine now but how
44:28many Statin you know because people post
44:31this a lot of my videos like oh yeah the
44:32Statin companies are paying you how how
44:34big is your check at the end of the
44:36month I don't why do people think that
44:39at the end of the month somebody
44:40somewhere in some magical company looks
44:43up how many statins I prescribed which
44:46pretty much all of them are generic
44:47except one and that's the one I never
44:48prescrib how many times you prescrib to
44:52medicine and you get some big fat check
44:55at the end of the month why do people
44:56think that do you have any idea I know
44:58just hypothesizing it's just like you
45:01know I was at my mother's the other day
45:02and she tells me um you know she
45:05recently got she got put on um some
45:07medications and she's like oh you know I
45:09don't really want to be on it because
45:10they falsify studies I'm like really and
45:13I I'm like my mind like Mom do you know
45:15what I do and like I'm thinking to
45:18myself like how do they how do they let
45:19me uncover this as to why oh well you
45:23know I was talking to my herbalist
45:26naturopath natural aath whatever at the
45:28health food store and they said they
45:29falsify studies and I'm like how does
45:32that person know that I think that you
45:34know it's something that it's a
45:37conspiracy theory that people just
45:39believe and if you're somebody who's
45:40trying to sell dietary supplements it
45:42makes perfect sense to paint these
45:45pharmaceutical companies as the bad guy
45:46if you're trying to sell dietary
45:48supplements and it creates a very
45:51emotional argument if I were to say
45:54something as cunning as oh that Dr Alo
45:58guy he's being funded by big Pharma and
46:01it's all a big conspiracy and so forth
46:03it kind of gets somebody it creates an
46:06emotional response in somebody oh yeah
46:08that's got to be it that's got to be it
46:10you know and you know and and it's so
46:13it's it's just easy it's the perception
46:15it's the public perception it's easy to
46:17believe you know when in reality it's
46:20the furthest thing from the truth and
46:21people suffer because of it do you think
46:24that people and I I kind of noticed this
46:27in a lot of things not just this exact
46:29topic but I feel like people sometimes
46:33are looking
46:34for something that's out of their
46:37control to blame for something like
46:40let's say we think that you know we're
46:44sicker as a country right you know all
46:45these Med fluenc and health fluenc keep
46:47telling everyone that we're sicker as a
46:49country 93% of the public is not
46:51metabolically healthy and you know they
46:53go off on all these things which all may
46:55be true but they want to almost blame
47:00big food big agriculture big Pharma seed
47:03oils you know the saturated fat you know
47:05whatever it might be they they want to
47:07blame some superpower that they have no
47:10control over I think part of that is
47:13people's need to feel safe maybe in a
47:16way that they just want to feel like oh
47:18you know I can't control that it's these
47:20super natural superpowers conspiring
47:23against me to keep us unhealthy as a
47:26person people can't stay consistent on
47:29it and you know I thought I think uh in
47:32one podcast Lane Norton brought up a
47:35really good point where he said that
47:36like people they it's like right when
47:39somebody gets on board with one thing a
47:41new thing comes out they're like oh
47:42shoot got to divert to that now so it's
47:44like you can never stay on one thing
47:47because it's always like first it's
47:48going to be like oh you got to do keto
47:50up now you got to stay away from this
47:51got to stay away from that stay away
47:52from that and the problem is like these
47:55these I guess Med fluenc who have it
47:57shouldn't even be called influencer
47:58because they have no medical training
48:00you know the problem is they purport
48:02that they do they call themselves doct
48:04Berg let's say for example Dr Berg is
48:06actually a chiropractor that's a really
48:08good point they call another person will
48:10call himself Dr Jones and he's actually
48:12a doctor of physical therapy or you know
48:14doctor of dentistry I mean they are
48:17technically doctors and and I wish it
48:21was like they were a PhD they're not
48:22they're not like they're doctors of
48:24something random but even let's say
48:26medical doctors and phds and actually
48:28know what they're talking about you look
48:31them up and you try to figure why is
48:32this doctor saying this and it's like oh
48:34look at you know click their links they
48:36sell supplements and have a discount
48:38code for that and a discount code for
48:39this thing and and I don't mind people
48:42selling supplements I'm not like an
48:44anti- salesperson I I'm a free market
48:47capitalist I tell people sell whatever
48:48you want but just be honest about it
48:50like if you want to S own card that
48:52sells like olive oil they supposedly
48:54went across to Italy to like get the
48:56olive
48:57any research I forget which card it was
49:01um it's a specific olive oil that
49:03cleanses your arteries this is an actual
49:05cardiologist is actually saying it
49:09and I was just saying to myself when I
49:11looked at it it would got me like oh
49:12he's a he's a cardiologist let me see
49:14what he's got to say and I was like man
49:15that's I have never seen any kind of
49:19anything that could do something like
49:20that then I saw okay he owns the company
49:22it's it's and if he was if this was in
49:25the actual medical Community though
49:28that's Stark CLW because he directly
49:30benefits from it and you can't do that
49:33you know problem is it's unregulated
49:34because it's olive oil it's a food
49:36that's the thing supplements are
49:38classified as a food and you can't
49:40regulate it you can say whatever you
49:42want and a physician has to use people
49:45say why doesn't a physician you know
49:48when you have high cholesterol why don't
49:49they prescribe you red yeast rice and N
49:51can believe it or not there's some that
49:52do but a good physician knows that they
49:55have to use evidenced based medicine
49:58that have proven
50:00outcomes data to treat their
50:04patient otherwise you're not you're not
50:07treating you're just yeah passing the
50:09buck along until they have another heart
50:11attack or another stroke and I see that
50:13all the time I've had patients that have
50:15had one heart attack and like hey you
50:17know they come in again like hey why is
50:19your cholesterol back up what happened
50:20oh you know my friend told me not to
50:22take the stens or this like d you've
50:24already had a heart attack like you know
50:26do you think I would lie to you do you
50:28think like I would make things up and
50:29tell you that's I said before once
50:31they've already graduated to seeing you
50:34which like I mean let's be real nobody
50:37wants to see you
50:39involuntarily you know like I like
50:41seeing you like this voluntarily you I
50:44mean So like um but it leads it leads to
50:48um it leads it leads to another thing
50:50too is why are pharmaceutical drugs why
50:54are they considered to be there's a
50:56stigma that they are expensive here's
50:58the thing and this ties back to the
51:00first thing that we
51:02discussed is long five-step process to
51:06get approved 985 million to a couple to
51:09maybe in the billions okay if somebody
51:13didn't obtain it for free they can't
51:16sell it for free then they got to do
51:18marketing which you know they have to do
51:21direct to to physician education and so
51:24forth It's like it's like your car okay
51:28if I was a car salesman I can't give you
51:30your car for give you the car for free
51:33because somebody had to build it
51:34somebody had to buy the part and so
51:36forth but here's the good part that
51:40people don't
51:41realize cost prices on a pharmaceutical
51:43drug is like the sticker price on a car
51:46there's rebates there's discounts
51:49there's buy down cards there's the co-
51:54card mon 30 days free yeah yeah those
51:58are huge people don't realize how much
52:00pharmaceutical companies give away for
52:02example our elderly patients if they're
52:04in the donnut hole or some of our poor
52:05patients you know in various parts of
52:07town they don't have money to get a
52:10prescription drug that they need we have
52:11them fill out the you know assistance
52:13program and they send it to them for
52:15free so right people don't realize that
52:17pharmaceutical companies you know are
52:18not these big huge evil evil
52:21corporations and I get it everybody
52:22wants to make money if I invented
52:24something sweet and I made a billion
52:25dollars great you know you do do the
52:26same thing that's fantastic so I'm not
52:28against that but also these companies
52:31are very gracious and benevolent and I
52:34would say like 10 to 20% of our patients
52:36maybe get their medications almost
52:38completely paid for and free because the
52:41companies have these Assistance programs
52:43that you fill out this form you send it
52:45in you qualify for the free medication
52:47they just send it to you for free so I
52:49think that's something people don't
52:51realize either is that these
52:53pharmaceutical companies will send the
52:55medications for free to people who can't
52:58afford it don't meet you know certain
52:59criteria and I feel like that's a huge
53:02help to to our patients another uh
53:06question I wanted to ask you is
53:08obviously the the medications in the US
53:11cost way more than they do you know in
53:13in other countries part of that is the
53:16broken overall system that we pay for
53:18the research and development and then
53:19the rest of the world benefits obviously
53:21we're the richest country in the world
53:23and we have the best scientists and the
53:24best data so I get some of that
53:27do you have any do you get do you know
53:28anything about that or maybe why that
53:30happens or what what are your thoughts
53:32on
53:33that why why is the cost for medications
53:36greater here than in the rest of the
53:38world like why are we paying As
53:40Americans for the research and
53:42development so that everyone else in the
53:43world can
53:46benefit um well that's a that's a that's
53:49a loaded question I know it's not it's
53:52not uh we're not going to solve this
53:54problem today but do you like a quick
53:57thought on it maybe I know that we could
53:58do a whole podcast on
54:00that that's probably that's a that's a
54:03that's a whole another podcast on why
54:05are prescription why why why does the US
54:08have a higher that's a that's a whole
54:10that's where you get into a lot of
54:11emotions and a lot of people's opinions
54:13um but yeah the US US does carry a
54:17significant burden of the cost um but
54:20you know overseas I mean overseas there
54:23are the
54:25way the way the ministries of medicine
54:27operate in Europe are completely the way
54:30the European uh medical agencies operate
54:33in Europe is completely different than
54:35the way the United States does a lot of
54:38their guidelines are even different than
54:40than ours too um a lot of the studies
54:43are aren't just aren't just done in the
54:45US a lot of them are done all over the
54:47globe essentially um but you know for
54:51example in Europe a um they don't really
54:56have how do I put
54:57it a representative of a company can
55:00only go see a doctor in certain places
55:02in Europe once a year um because that's
55:04the laws that they have over there which
55:06are very very very very strict now why
55:09are costs more what you're saying why
55:11are costs in the US more expensive than
55:13Europe um they have a completely
55:16different structure that's that they
55:18have a completely different structure
55:20that's a whole another yeah I think it I
55:21think it depends on the country because
55:22some of the countries their government
55:24pays for everything so I mean I guess
55:26guess it depends but I guess like I feel
55:28sometimes we as Americans are paying the
55:30costs for research and development I
55:33know this has nothing to do with you
55:35cost for the research and development
55:37and then the rest of the world kind of
55:39benefits but I guess that's not a uh
55:41topic that NE either of
55:44us that's that's a loaded one that's
55:47above my pay rate yeah me too I don't
55:50know you know if I was a public policy
55:52maker had a masters in public health or
55:53something maybe um one other thing that
55:56I wanted to ask um that that seems to
56:00come up a lot is every time people don't
56:03realize this but every time you guys do
56:06anything um in terms of like approaching
56:09a doctor talking to a doctor that's all
56:11recorded right you know yeah maybe talk
56:15about that a little bit what what what
56:16exactly interaction doctor gets recorded
56:20yeah I mean it gets recorded in our you
56:22have to turn that in at the end of the
56:24day because they they track you guys I
56:25mean like of the guys I was talking to
56:27tells me like they keep a thing on our
56:30car and they see where we're going and
56:32how long we stopped there and stayed
56:33there I don't know if they do that um no
56:36maybe maybe they do I don't know I don't
56:38know if they actually do that that's a
56:39little that might be a little too
56:41aggressive but um I know that if I were
56:44to have a conversation with an actual
56:46conversation with you about uh you know
56:49a certain uh medication or whatnot I
56:52have to log or if you for example
56:54samples I leave I leave you with some
56:55samples
56:57that's called sample accountability
56:59those are actually FDA approved
57:01medications that are highly regulated so
57:04that has to have I have to put how many
57:07samples the lot number has to have your
57:09autograph on it and it and also the
57:12location you just said you had multiple
57:14locations I have to make sure that I'm
57:15at the right location so I can't sample
57:18you in your office
57:19in Toledo and you got another office in
57:22I don't know any other towns in Ohio
57:23like another town in Ohio so um I got to
57:26make sure the location is accurate I got
57:28to make sure it's actually you um so yes
57:32everything has to be recorded it's not
57:33just like hey here's your samples see
57:35you later you know so even if we have a
57:37conversation where samples are not admin
57:40are not left I still have to record what
57:43I what we uh what we discussed and then
57:47on our end we have to have everything
57:49locked so it cannot be sitting out in a
57:52cabinet that is not locked with a key
57:54like because they are ated substances
57:57like you know these are these are
57:58controlled substances you know to a
58:00certain degree it's not like somebody's
58:01going to steal some aspirin but you know
58:04these are regulated substances anything
58:06that that is brought over that is a
58:07medication that must be given out with a
58:10prescription has to be locked up in you
58:12know with a lock and a key or some of
58:14them need to be even refrigerated you
58:15know it just kind of depends on the
58:16medicine but no I think this has been
58:19definitely very very uh educational
58:22hopefully people that watch us Come Away
58:24with a little bit more of an
58:26understanding of how regulated this is
58:30because I think people think it's almost
58:32like the Wild Wild West and I'm sure
58:34maybe in the beginning it was more like
58:35the wild wild west where they're you
58:37know maybe back in the 70s and 80s you
58:39could take people to Hawaii and Florida
58:42and boat trips long before my time long
58:44before your time yeah golf trips people
58:46like yeah they take you golfing all the
58:48time don't they I'm like no that is a
58:51anything like something comes out and
58:53they realize okay this isn't this isn't
58:55the way to do it have to be more
58:56protective of you know everything that's
58:59happened over the last I want to say 10
59:03years in the industry has done nothing
59:06but benefit the patient and they don't
59:09realize it yeah AG thing that the
59:12dietary supplement industry has done has
59:14done nothing to not benefit the patient
59:17okay but to enrich their own pockets for
59:20sure unfortunately look hold on there's
59:23there's a lot of people that we know
59:25that make diet s is there are good
59:27people I believe that really do like see
59:30like to it that like the right stuff
59:32actually goes into it and so forth you
59:35know there's a lot of guys that do make
59:37quality protein powders and so I'm not
59:40I'm not talking about the yeah
59:43absolutely there's definitely yeah
59:45benefits and proven benefits to certain
59:47things protein creatine C you know if
59:51you need Vitamin D you know that's you
59:53know proven you know we're not I don't
59:54think we're talking about that but we're
59:56talking about these people that come up
59:58with some nonsense that are like you
1:00:01know buy
1:00:02my testosterone support Blend or
1:00:06whatever it is you know like that kind
1:00:07of stuff is I think what we're getting
1:00:09as like people buy somebody once told me
1:00:11that their cayenne pepper supplement
1:00:14Arjuna supp was able to improve
1:00:15somebody's ejection
1:00:17fraction it's true story you know and
1:00:21I'm like I don't even know they that
1:00:22they actually know what left ventricular
1:00:24uh dysfunction really is you know to
1:00:26even say something like that but what
1:00:28what's really really scary about that is
1:00:32that you would or somebody that said
1:00:34like oh this helps somebody breathe
1:00:37breathe better and what's really scary
1:00:39about that is that person gets convinced
1:00:41by that person and they will decide to
1:00:44stop taking whatever medication their
1:00:47doctor put them on for that and they
1:00:48will use that here's a good example I
1:00:51was in an
1:00:53elevator and this young lady walks in
1:00:55she was leaving in the endocrinology
1:00:57clinic that I was I was I was in and
1:01:01she's talking to herself saying you know
1:01:04that doctor doesn't know anything I'm
1:01:05just going to go on Tik Tok and I'm
1:01:07going to research this I thought it was
1:01:09a joke it really wasn't a joke and then
1:01:11when you look at that and this is really
1:01:15unfortunate I've had to do this but we
1:01:17and I've told you we've labeled this in
1:01:19like stages okay and you wanted to dive
1:01:22into this there's stage one there's
1:01:23stage two there's stage three there's
1:01:25stage four tell me okay there's stage
1:01:28one where I look at that patient and I
1:01:30don't mean to use the Simpson grading
1:01:32scale okay um you're not talking about
1:01:34cancer but stage one is like that
1:01:38person is reasonable they will say they
1:01:41will come to you and say these are these
1:01:43are stages of like conspiratorial Theory
1:01:46be believing like people who believe in
1:01:48conspiracy theories yes and what level
1:01:51and what level of reachability that they
1:01:54have okay the
1:01:56the stage less likely everything's going
1:01:59to happen the most of the people you're
1:02:00dealing with is unfortunately stage four
1:02:03okay that's why I look at it I'm just
1:02:05like God why is he even why is he even
1:02:06like doing this you know stage one is I
1:02:10look at it as like okay that person you
1:02:12could probably get through to them
1:02:14because they did hear something but
1:02:16they're saying to you Doctor I did hear
1:02:19something like this online what is your
1:02:22medical opinion on this and should I do
1:02:24it that's a state one person because you
1:02:27know that person is they're not a doctor
1:02:29how would they not know you know um and
1:02:31you could more than likely convince that
1:02:32person there's a stage two person that
1:02:35is pretty convinced okay but with a
1:02:38decent amount of you know talking to
1:02:41that
1:02:42person that stage two would be like my
1:02:44mother okay my mother is big into herbs
1:02:46and all that stuff but my mother's on a
1:02:50medication for her cholesterol yes she
1:02:53had high cholesterol go figure um and I
1:02:57I didn't inherit the gene from her um
1:03:00and she's on a medication for her blood
1:03:02pressure okay now her herbalist was
1:03:05telling her not to use those medications
1:03:07okay her blood pressure was really high
1:03:10her um LDL was in was like 115 or
1:03:12something like that she got on a stattin
1:03:15she got on Crestor and she got on uh
1:03:17Talma sartan and next thing you know
1:03:19everything is perfect okay the point
1:03:22being was I was able to convince her
1:03:24even though she was very very s on not
1:03:26using that okay in other words she was
1:03:30she was resistant but it wasn't
1:03:32impossible to get through to her stage
1:03:34three man that's difficult stage three
1:03:36is the person that there's that inkling
1:03:39of them that wants to know what you have
1:03:43to say Doc but they're still they can't
1:03:47get over this hump in their mind that oh
1:03:50I could just take Natok canes okay can't
1:03:52tell you how many people have me asking
1:03:54me about Natok canes right uh it's this
1:03:57true St we've got you you've had people
1:03:59uh on your show talk about Nat Cades for
1:04:02having sake and now stage four is the
1:04:04person that that's the person that's
1:04:05going to be argumentative with you
1:04:07that's the person that's GNA say oh
1:04:08doctor you feel happy now oh doctor
1:04:11you're just that's complete
1:04:12CoQ10 will raise an ejection for I saw
1:04:15that and one of your things you I
1:04:18was I just like why why is he
1:04:20entertaining this you know that's
1:04:22somebody that there's no way you could
1:04:24have been the guy that invented the EKG
1:04:28and they still would not believe you and
1:04:31it's
1:04:33unfortunate it's unfortunate that those
1:04:36are going to be the ones that will see
1:04:38you once they hope if they end up
1:04:42graduating to a
1:04:43Cardiologist they will see because they
1:04:45used unproven methods that never worked
1:04:48so the stage four people are too far
1:04:51gone to even get through basically
1:04:54everybody you talk to on Instagram
1:04:57I think those I think those are just the
1:04:59loud like I'm hoping and the reason I
1:05:02went online and started teaching all the
1:05:03stuff is maybe to reach to the masses
1:05:05because I saw so much craziness out
1:05:07there you know there's a lot of nonsense
1:05:09around cholesterol and heart disease and
1:05:11all these people just create these
1:05:13accounts and say a bunch of nonsense to
1:05:15sell their supplements right so I wanted
1:05:17to get out there and be like Listen
1:05:18People here's how all this stuff really
1:05:21works if these supplements worked we
1:05:23would turn them into the next billion
1:05:25dollar drug like it's really not that
1:05:26complicated like you know red yeast rice
1:05:28worked at least one little molecule and
1:05:30it did and that's how we discovered STS
1:05:33oil of Wintergreen at least the
1:05:34salicylic acid in it works and that's
1:05:36how we came up with Aspirin same thing
1:05:38with Sweet Clover French lilac you know
1:05:40all the stuff you name even uh rap ayin
1:05:42which is used in anti-aging circles um
1:05:46which I uh from
1:05:48yeast no rap of myosin is from um a
1:05:51fungus in Polynesia well fungus is yeast
1:05:56okay I'm sorry yeah so I think that's
1:05:58what I that's what I meant but I get
1:06:00that so I think a lot of people at least
1:06:02when I first started going on but I also
1:06:03think that these people are like the
1:06:04loud people like I think most people
1:06:06watch a video and they're like oh yeah
1:06:07cardiologist you know that makes sense
1:06:08you know eat a healthy diet you know
1:06:10exercise all that if you need
1:06:12medications you need medications but I
1:06:13think the people in the comment section
1:06:15are like this guy's a shill for big
1:06:16Pharma don't ever take medications take
1:06:18some lemon and mint tea and you'll get
1:06:21the same results I think those are the
1:06:23loud
1:06:26uh obnoxious ones that that just think
1:06:28they know everything and they are stuck
1:06:30in this conspiratorial Loop this
1:06:32feedback loop because they the the
1:06:34algorithms are really good at feeding
1:06:36you what you like to hear the algorithm
1:06:38knows what videos you're watching the
1:06:40most what kind of comments you're making
1:06:42what you're watching and they feed you
1:06:44this stuff to like almost brainwash you
1:06:47into being more conspirator like
1:06:49thinking doctors are really trying to
1:06:51kill you thing is they will never they
1:06:53will never change their ways I I really
1:06:55like people that can change their
1:06:57viewpoints Based on data for example I
1:07:00remember years ago maybe God man maybe
1:07:042018 L do Dr laye Norton was doing a uh
1:07:09I think I think his doctor was analyzing
1:07:10his blood work and the first thing his
1:07:13doctor said was that Lane's lbll was
1:07:15like in the 130s or something like that
1:07:16I forget the exact number and the do and
1:07:19L was like well I don't have a history
1:07:20of cardiovascular disease and my C
1:07:22reactive protein is good it's it's zero
1:07:24or whatever so that should be fine the
1:07:26doctor actually agreed with him and me
1:07:29you know being in this field I was
1:07:32saying in my mind oh that's not a good
1:07:34idea then years later when it happened
1:07:37when he did his Labs again or when he
1:07:40actually looked at research he was like
1:07:42okay this is something that I was wrong
1:07:43on he admitted this something I was
1:07:45wrong on LDL is not good for you I'm on
1:07:49Crestor now I don't know if he is but
1:07:50like I'm on Crestor now or something
1:07:52like that he actually admitted it and
1:07:55that was with the people that I like
1:07:56listening to you know there's the people
1:07:59that will despite seeing all the data
1:08:02they like no it's a conspiracy having L
1:08:04high LDL is fine and so forth I think um
1:08:08you you've come after a lot of guys like
1:08:09that you had a debate with Paul saladino
1:08:11about
1:08:12LDL um and I'm I'm saying to myself like
1:08:15like the fact that this is debatable at
1:08:17this point you know is scary it's
1:08:232024 yeah and this stuff was figured out
1:08:26literally in like
1:08:281914 that's what's really sad about the
1:08:31the simplest experiment the simplest
1:08:33experiment they and they fed rabbits
1:08:37extra saturated fat and they developed
1:08:39atherosclerosis yeah the easiest test in
1:08:42the world um you know or and then other
1:08:44ones you know later they infused people
1:08:47with with lipoproteins you know
1:08:48cholesterol and they developed fatty
1:08:51streaks almost within hours so you this
1:08:53has been known for over a hundred years
1:08:55and the fact that in
1:08:572024 people are still questioning this
1:09:00is very disingenuous I think these
1:09:02people some of these people are just
1:09:04literally just trying to sell you
1:09:05supplements I mean they're like these
1:09:07Wellness Way chiropractors and some of
1:09:09these people like ah your doctor will
1:09:11immediately but you on a understand but
1:09:12I figured out this magical thing where
1:09:14your ldo cholesterol is Fluffy and large
1:09:16and it's okay and blah blah blah and
1:09:18they come up with all these crazy ratios
1:09:19and this crazy testing that's completely
1:09:21unnecessary at this point you know in
1:09:23the world of Cardiology they run nmrs
1:09:26and vaps and ion mobility and they do
1:09:28all this stuff that ended up you know
1:09:30turning out to be a bunch of nonsense
1:09:31that's not necessary for
1:09:3399.99% of people and now but if you come
1:09:38to them they got this little b bottle of
1:09:40cholesterol off or whatever it's called
1:09:43oh yeah yeah all these supplements all
1:09:46these crazy supplements or we can crack
1:09:47your neck a certain way or your back and
1:09:49you know and and your cholesterol will
1:09:51go down and you'll be okay well then why
1:09:53are you telling us that being high
1:09:54cholesterol is okay then if you want to
1:09:55bring it down too like you know I don't
1:09:57really get that we have things that are
1:09:58proven well I've seen Primary Care guys
1:10:00tell their tell their patients that have
1:10:03had have really high apob really high
1:10:05LDL and they'll also take red yeast rice
1:10:07take Citrus bergon take
1:10:08nin yeah and all of those things are
1:10:11unproven in treating and some of them
1:10:13are actually harmful like n absolutely
1:10:15absolutely NY has failed failed three
1:10:18major outcome trials it actually is
1:10:21toxic to your liver causes acanthosis
1:10:23nigran which is you that means you have
1:10:26diabetes it makes your HDL particles
1:10:28more
1:10:30atherogenic and and the metabolites of
1:10:33niin they've recently found and I put
1:10:35that in the cholesterol book that's
1:10:37coming up here soon yeah yeah they have
1:10:39found that the metabolites of nin are
1:10:41actually toxic and inflammatory and
1:10:44cause your lipoproteins to be even more
1:10:45toxic to you so and this is a medication
1:10:48that we approved and started using for a
1:10:51little while until we that yeah that was
1:10:53a medication for a while cu were able to
1:10:55see that it raised HDL but they did not
1:10:57improve outcomes at all so the whole the
1:11:00whole myth not myth behind HDL being
1:11:02protective is not as protective as we
1:11:04once St because I think a lot of people
1:11:06still have the old Dogma that well if
1:11:07your HDL is high it doesn't matter if
1:11:09your LDL is through the roof because the
1:11:10hdl's like the scrubber like that's
1:11:12already been that was so 15 years ago
1:11:16you know all that stuff with the nias B
1:11:19yeah you know you know what I mean um so
1:11:22and then and then people don't realize
1:11:24like when a when a pharmaceutical
1:11:26company pays for a large study and they
1:11:28do the study with like 177,000 people
1:11:30and they do the study and it didn't work
1:11:34you still publish the study like people
1:11:36like in the New England still gets
1:11:37published yeah still a few weeks ago
1:11:39they published a study I forget if it
1:11:41was jardians or fora I don't know which
1:11:44one it was it one of the medications
1:11:45that they started they wanted to know
1:11:47because people with heart failure do
1:11:49benefit from this medication so they
1:11:51wanted to test what if it was heart
1:11:53failure right after an acute Mii if they
1:11:55had a heart attack and that gave them
1:11:57the heart failure what if we gave them
1:11:58this medicine right afterwards and it
1:12:00was a negative study it actually showed
1:12:02no improvement uh at all and the placebo
1:12:06and the treatment group had similar
1:12:09outcomes it made no difference and you
1:12:11have to still publish it so people like
1:12:12yeah they don't publish the studies that
1:12:13don't work they they they just show you
1:12:15the stuff that works like no first of
1:12:17all we're not stupid there was a long
1:12:20long list of experimental compounds it's
1:12:23longer than the ones that get approv
1:12:25that never made it for every for
1:12:29everyone medication that is approved and
1:12:31is working there's like 30 absolutely
1:12:35absolutely and people think we're hiding
1:12:37these magical substances from them it's
1:12:39all it's all is very transparent it's
1:12:42all right out in the open the only thing
1:12:43I would encourage people to do is to
1:12:45actually do the do actual research on
1:12:48that go on to open payments and look
1:12:51actually try to look at these studies
1:12:52you know get on your get on your your
1:12:55show and so forth ask these questions
1:12:57and whatnot and the thing is though I
1:12:59guarantee you the level of transparency
1:13:02that you have in the realm that we're in
1:13:05you do not have in the dietary
1:13:06supplement Market okay not at all you
1:13:09can't call a dietary supplement company
1:13:11they're going to answer these questions
1:13:12I guarantee if there's something wrong
1:13:14with one of their there's not going to
1:13:15be a big recall that will be hidden from
1:13:17the public guarantee you okay well like
1:13:20hydroxy cut my friend in medical school
1:13:23was like the face of hydro Roxy cut this
1:13:26is oh God back in like the early 2000 he
1:13:30really yeah he was he was I'm not going
1:13:32to say his name but he was a fam hockey
1:13:34player turned doctor you know big buff
1:13:37huge guy ripped six-pack abs everything
1:13:41he was the face of hydroxy cut and
1:13:42people thought because it's a natural
1:13:44substance this is back when it contained
1:13:45aedra because it's a natural substance
1:13:48and you can just buy it over the counter
1:13:50that it's harmless people were taking
1:13:52like three four five six pills three
1:13:55four times a day and just T killed their
1:13:57livers like three people died of liver
1:13:59failure and people think that this stuff
1:14:01is harmless because it's natural how
1:14:03could it be dangerous if it's natural
1:14:05like what do you
1:14:06mean yeah that'll get you going yeah I
1:14:10mean even water can kill you and it's
1:14:12natural and necessary for life but if
1:14:14you drink too much too quickly you'll
1:14:16actually die you know same thing with
1:14:18word natural is thrown around there a
1:14:19little bit too Loosely I think there is
1:14:23an association if somebody feels
1:14:24something is natural it's automatically
1:14:26going to be quote unquote healthy for
1:14:29you and that's just or or safe they
1:14:31think it's safe because it's natural or
1:14:34safe you know yeah so I think that's a
1:14:36that's a big misconception that people
1:14:38have and um you know but yeah I mean
1:14:41it's hopefully people get something out
1:14:43of this and you know we're we're always
1:14:46happy to talk about it yeah and if you
1:14:49guys that end up watching this have
1:14:50questions drop them in the comments
1:14:52myself and Andrew will be more than
1:14:54happy to answer them if you think we
1:14:56missed something or need to elaborate on
1:14:59a certain point we'll be more than happy
1:15:00to to to uh jump in the comments section
1:15:03on YouTube and do that one last thing I
1:15:05did want to mention a lot of times
1:15:07people will cling on to this one
1:15:09cardiologist I'm not going to name names
1:15:11but you know there's this
1:15:12anti-establishment cardiologist that's
1:15:14online and he's anti- this and antix and
1:15:18he's provax and he's this and he's doing
1:15:20all this stuff you know he's like Mr
1:15:23Superhero to the masses of iracy
1:15:25theorist then you go look up his open
1:15:27payments and he makes like $2.9 million
1:15:29a year damn or no cumulative I'm sorry
1:15:32not per year but cumulatively this
1:15:34person's made $2.9
1:15:36million over their lifespan from Big
1:15:39Pharma payments and now they sell some
1:15:41weird supplements I'm not going to name
1:15:42them because I don't want to give them
1:15:44more attention than they need uh but
1:15:46they sell these bizarre supplements like
1:15:48imagine the craziest thing you can
1:15:50imagine they sell this for
1:15:52$22,000 um it's just for for for a like
1:15:56a like a 30-day Supply $2,000 to reverse
1:16:01you know the vaccine just nutty stuff oh
1:16:04oh that that is a good marketing idea it
1:16:07is it's 2500 genius he he he goes online
1:16:12and starts telling people how
1:16:14antivaccine he is even though he was Pro
1:16:16vaccines before he's Mr anti vaccine and
1:16:19anti-is and he sells this supplement
1:16:21stack that will reverse the vaccine in
1:16:23case you gave it to your children
1:16:24children and your mom and your dad and
1:16:26yourself now reverse the vaccine it's
1:16:29$2,500 for this thing like so there's a
1:16:32big myth out there that natoc canes
1:16:34reverses the spiked proteins from the
1:16:36vaccine or some like that maybe I
1:16:39don't know part of the cocktail but I gu
1:16:42is not
1:16:44$2,000 there's people that are actually
1:16:46paying that much money for it you know I
1:16:49mean almost
1:16:51all all of the ingredients list sure
1:16:55they don't tell you everything but if
1:16:57you look at the ingredients list for a
1:16:58lot of these you know supplement stacks
1:17:01that are $2 $3,000 they're actually
1:17:04cheap generic stuff that you can buy
1:17:05over the counter for like a couple of
1:17:07pennies you know and there's this other
1:17:09cardiologist that sells like supposedly
1:17:11all this cardiac health stuff that's
1:17:13like $400 a month like you know you
1:17:15could just take some in tresto to
1:17:18actually really help your heart you
1:17:20won't pay the the $40 co-pay for Ino but
1:17:23you'll pay the $400 for some nonsense
1:17:25that that doesn't do anything that's
1:17:26never been proven that some idiot is
1:17:28making tons of money on I think I think
1:17:31what Paul saladino said the other day
1:17:34you know the carnivore MD on that one
1:17:37podcast I think kind of sums this all up
1:17:40this guy went from being Mr carnivore MD
1:17:43Mr keto Mr don't eat anything but red
1:17:46meat don't eat fruits and vegetables to
1:17:48now eating tons of fruit and carbs and
1:17:52even simple carbs honey and maple syrup
1:17:54like stack of it you know like just
1:17:56guzzling it down and now he goes on this
1:17:58podcast you know a few weeks ago saying
1:18:01he doesn't do keto anymore you know
1:18:03carnivore anymore because it's just
1:18:04unhealthy and he just felt like garbage
1:18:07all of his testosterone markers Health
1:18:09markers went up or were out of whack and
1:18:11his you know his LDL obviously was
1:18:12through the roof too it's better is he a
1:18:15PCP he's a psychiatrist this is that
1:18:17carnivore MD guy yeah so about him like
1:18:21I got but wait let me just finish this
1:18:22point the point the point I was trying
1:18:25to to say is that he went through this
1:18:27whole process of discovering how
1:18:29carnivore is better and then he comes
1:18:31back Loops all the way around to well a
1:18:34more balanced diet is actually healthier
1:18:36for you so I think like all of these
1:18:37people that go through these phases they
1:18:40make a ton of money on this they don't
1:18:41really need money anymore they sold some
1:18:43extreme crazy diet extreme crazy
1:18:46supplement extreme crazy pill they come
1:18:48around eventually and they like you know
1:18:50what what I was doing was whack and
1:18:51wrong and it was not healthy and I felt
1:18:53like garbage and you know everybody else
1:18:55was right a Mediterranean style balanced
1:18:58diet was right and I feel like a lot of
1:19:01these people they make a killing they
1:19:03make their money they make this crazy uh
1:19:06social media profile to attract tons of
1:19:09you know users visitors views whatever
1:19:10they're called followers they go on and
1:19:12sell some crazy stuff make a ton of
1:19:14money and then they're like you know
1:19:16what medit Tran diet is still the best
1:19:18you know eat a Balan diet exercise and
1:19:21to sort of stay in their Lane like for
1:19:23example like I didn't know I didn't know
1:19:25who Paul saladino was or what not all I
1:19:27know is like I heard him say that LDL
1:19:30was good for you and I was like okay
1:19:32next I didn't know he was a psychiatrist
1:19:34I thought guy's probably a primary care
1:19:37physician and I was he saying LDL is LDL
1:19:40is good for you and I'm just like okay
1:19:42not even gonna bother no further
1:19:43questions you're on um and I never even
1:19:45really every time I saw video I just I
1:19:47just skipped it because you're G tell me
1:19:48LDL is good you're not somebody I really
1:19:51think is a
1:19:52gice but you're also educ ated in this
1:19:55topic because you've worked in
1:19:56cardiology for so long as opposed to
1:19:58like the general public who isn't they
1:19:59see a guy who's a board certified doctor
1:20:02and even though it's Psychiatry they
1:20:04think oh he's a doctor he's got to know
1:20:05what he's talking about yeah but that's
1:20:08the problem they don't realize
1:20:09Psychiatry is a completely different
1:20:11you're dealing with uh mental mental
1:20:14health disorders not coronary plaque I
1:20:17don't think he's ever even practiced as
1:20:20a psychiatrist he just became he just
1:20:22did it to get the MD behind his name to
1:20:24sell books supplements whatever so and I
1:20:28don't know that for certain but that's
1:20:30what it seems like that's what people
1:20:31say so you know I don't want to like
1:20:34accuse the guy if that's not true but
1:20:36it's say in your lane if you're a
1:20:38psychiatrist have a podcast talking
1:20:41about stuff with psychiatric disorders
1:20:44you're a cardiologist you talk about all
1:20:46things
1:20:47Cardiology you know like for example one
1:20:50time I I asked I I'll keep going back to
1:20:53one time I asked Lane Norton about one
1:20:56time I said what's your opinion on the
1:20:57vaccine his response was not my field of
1:20:58study that's it that's it that's perfect
1:21:02that's how it should this long list of
1:21:04well this that this he's like not my
1:21:07field of study done I get that in the
1:21:09questions a lot in the comments a lot
1:21:11people be like I bet you push the VX and
1:21:14I'm
1:21:16like what does this have to do with what
1:21:18I just said in the video you know and
1:21:21it's like almost like a litmus test like
1:21:23if if I push the then I'm a bad guy but
1:21:26if they're they're pushing some nonsense
1:21:28some conspiratorial crazy stuff then
1:21:31they're the good guys you know if you if
1:21:33you buy $400 worth of supplements every
1:21:35month to to enrich the pockets of some
1:21:37corporate you know person that's okay
1:21:41but heaven forbid you support things
1:21:43that are actually proven by science to
1:21:44actually work that cost two cents a day
1:21:47somebody would say probably in the
1:21:48comments somebody might say in the
1:21:50comments oh you said the drugs take all
1:21:52these years to get put to Market with
1:21:54the vaccine was like a much shorter time
1:21:58they don't realize that it was started
1:22:00in the 1980s with with the HIV epidemic
1:22:03when HIV came out it's an RNA virus
1:22:06that's when all of the studies on mRNA
1:22:09viruses came out but the problem is the
1:22:12HIV mutates so quickly that almost no
1:22:15vaccine no no mRNA vaccine could work
1:22:17against it because literally the second
1:22:19it gets into it's mutated a billion
1:22:21times so there's no way to to kill it
1:22:23with a vaccine yeah but these these the
1:22:26cids and I didn't mean to get into this
1:22:27topic but don't they don't really mutate
1:22:31and so it's easy to make a vacine uh
1:22:33against it so that's neither here nor
1:22:35there like I I'm not a vaccine or
1:22:37Immunology expert yeah you know people
1:22:40are like oh my God you guys just pushed
1:22:41this thing that's never been proven well
1:22:431981 is when they kind of started doing
1:22:46this but no I'm glad we had this
1:22:48conversation hopefully people uh will
1:22:50learn from this and can ask us questions
1:22:52we're always you know we'll be available
1:22:54in comments obviously any closing
1:22:57remarks closing remarks I hope just uh
1:23:00people U take some good things away from
1:23:02this and hopefully they can make more
1:23:04you know informed uh decisions we're
1:23:06definitely not you know pushing
1:23:08medications on people but we're also
1:23:10pushing people to you know it's it's
1:23:14hear the other side of the story you
1:23:16know like it's like there's a lot of
1:23:17chatter about you know things being bad
1:23:21but there's also um you know there's his
1:23:24side there's her side and there's the
1:23:25truth that makes sense and I'm I'm
1:23:29assuming the you're going to send me a
1:23:31check at the end of the month for all
1:23:32this don't even joke around like don't
1:23:34even don't even he was totally kidding
1:23:36don't even mess around with that I'm
1:23:38kidding apparently apparently I get paid
1:23:41by a big Pharma so yeah we're going to
1:23:43Hawaii yeah actually I shouldn't even
1:23:45joke around no we're not going to
1:23:47Hawaii um but no hopefully people
1:23:50realize now how tightly regulated it's
1:23:52like the SEC and the financial mark
1:23:54markets it's super tightly regulated and
1:23:58you know food like you can't even bring
1:23:59foods from certain countries because
1:24:00it's so tightly regulated I mean there's
1:24:02there's rules in place to keep the BL
1:24:05bad players out of the the game um and
1:24:08it's super super well regulat very
1:24:11strict I mean I'm sure we yeah and and
1:24:13let me let me add a final comment here I
1:24:15was like I will reiterate like I said in
1:24:17the front in in the first part of this
1:24:19uh podcast um I have absolutely zero
1:24:22working relationship with Dr Al I've
1:24:25never been to his office don't know
1:24:26where it is don't know how many offices
1:24:27he has I don't even know where the hell
1:24:29he is right now I know we're just
1:24:31personal friends we live in separate
1:24:33states that's it all right very good so
1:24:37yeah so hopefully people learn from this
1:24:39obviously if you guys enjoyed it drop
1:24:41some comments below even good ones so if
1:24:43you even just drop a comment that helps
1:24:45the algorithm push these videos out to
1:24:47more people because I feel like not
1:24:48enough people are getting the actual
1:24:49truth but they're being fed this
1:24:52conspiratorial algorithmic nonsense that
1:24:54feeds into this spiral of like going
1:24:57down the rabbit hole of all these weird
1:24:58conspiracy theories if you want real
1:25:00actual advice from people who are not
1:25:03trying to scam you not trying to sell
1:25:04you anything highly recommend you drop
1:25:07some comments share these with your
1:25:08friends and hopefully more people can
1:25:10learn from this thanks for being on I
1:25:13really appreciate I know you didn't have
1:25:15to do this but I really appreciate it oh
1:25:17it's a lot of fun always love uh always
1:25:19like hanging out with you all right all
1:25:21right take care sounds good yep

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