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0:00Hello. Hello everybody. Welcome in to
0:03what should be a very, very exciting
0:06stream indeed. Guys, it's so good to see
0:08you all. I'm so glad you could make it
0:10today. If you have no idea what's going
0:14on today, guys, we are going to be
0:17playing Project Zomboid with the
0:20developers themselves. That is right. We
0:22are going to be playing Project Zomboid
0:24with Christian Allen, also known as
0:26Sarillin. He is the design director of
0:29Zombo. We're going to be hanging out
0:30with him, surviving, slaying Zomboids,
0:34looting, getting gear, building a base
0:36together, all that fun stuff while also
0:38chatting about Build 42, the future of
0:41the game, the gaming world itself, and
0:44so much more, guys. Okay, so it's going
0:46to be an amazing amazing day. It should
0:49be very, very exciting. Two streams in
0:51one day. Yes, we actually were watching
0:52Alliance earlier as well. And I got the
0:54robe on for this too, so you know it's
0:55serious team. In the middle of
0:56summertime, I'm wearing the robe, but
0:58it's okay. I have an ice cold Baja blast
1:02to cool me down, so we're chilling on
1:04that front.
1:08Very nice. Very nice. Um, I am nervous
1:13with and for him. I'm nervous. Why Why
1:16would you be nervous for him? I'm
1:18nervous. of anything. I'm the one uh at
1:23like in a dizzy, you know. I still got
1:26some things to figure out. I'm not 100%
1:28ready for the stream tonight. I've got
1:30pretty much all the puzzle pieces ready
1:32to go, but there's one thing I have to
1:35tweak really quick. Um and in fact, I
1:38actually need to do that right now. So,
1:41let me just quickly get that going.
1:54Perfect. No suspicion. Yes, guys. Let's
1:57be let's be on our best behavior, okay?
2:00I like listen, I I don't think anything
2:02would happen. I'm sure we're all going
2:03to be pretty chill. Uh
2:06but like, you know, let's keep it chill
2:08today. Let's keep it chill for sure. The
2:10mods are out in force, of course. Okay.
2:15be cool. Can we get a quick summary of
2:17the Q&A on Discord? I'm going to be
2:18posting the VOD on my VODs channel
2:20pretty much ASAP. And then I'm also
2:22going to have an edited video going out
2:25probably in the coming days of tonight's
2:27session for the main YouTube channel.
2:29So, if you guys want to catch it up, if
2:31you're not able to stay for the whole
2:32thing, I saw kerosene has to dip out
2:34soon. I understand. Uh, no worries,
2:36team. No worries. Don't fret. You will
2:40be able to catch up on all that. And of
2:41course, if I have time, I can't promise
2:43it, but like maybe someone or maybe I
2:45will do a quick like bullet point
2:48summary of what what is going on there.
2:50Um
2:56um yeah, just communicating really
2:58quick, getting things ready. I'm going
2:59to lurk at work. Very excited for the
3:00stream. I'm glad to hear it, Yarf. I
3:02appreciate that. By the way, B with a
3:05gifted sub out to Brezy. Thank you so
3:08much for that. All right, that's very
3:09very kind of you guys. I want to talk
3:12about that really quick. There was one
3:13little surprise I had set up for this
3:15stream and it's starting today to
3:17celebrate hitting 50,000 followers
3:19recently a couple days ago. We are doing
3:22another chat badge that you guys can
3:24unlock. I know you guys loved the wear.
3:28I have an opportunity for you guys to
3:30get some badges. And this time too, even
3:32if you cannot sub, there is an
3:34opportunity to go ahead and um get a
3:37free badge as well. So, if you end up
3:40choosing to sub or resub with a
3:43self-paid sub, it can't be Prime,
3:44unfortunately. It cannot be Prime. Or if
3:47you gift out a sub, you will get a cool
3:50little beaver emote of a beaver
3:52toasting, a glass of wine. Not Baja
3:55Blast, unfortunately. I wish it was Baja
3:57Blast, but you'll get a cool little
3:58badge to have next to your name in this
4:00chat to hang out. And if you watch six
4:02hours, you will get a 50K badge to show
4:05that you were here for 50,000 followers.
4:08An absolutely insane milestone. Annie
4:10with the gift about to Ludovvic. Thank
4:12you so much for that, Annie. Very, very
4:14kind of you. I appreciate that a ton.
4:17I'm going to make sure the multiream is
4:18ready to go. And we should be set. All
4:23things considered, we should be set.
4:26Going to do 50,000 shards membership.
4:29Aqua. I would love that. 230 stream as
4:32well, by the way. Unreal. Aqua making me
4:35gift out a sub to the community. Grace
4:37with a gift sub to the community as
4:38well. I appreciate that. Did Alliance
4:40win? When I left, they were fifth place.
4:43I did not see the results of their last
4:45game. I do want to find that out, but
4:46I'm not going to be able to do that
4:47right now, especially with us getting
4:49ready to stream with Mr. Sarillin. Tyler
4:52Coolest with a Prime Gaming sub. Thank
4:55you so much for that, Tyler.
4:58>> That's very, very kind of you. I have to
4:59gift out a sub though really quick. I'm
5:00going to go ahead before we get into it
5:02too deep. I'm going to gift out that sub
5:04right now, guys. All right, it's going
5:06out right now. This is courtesy of Aqua.
5:08So, if you get the gifted sub, please be
5:09sure to thank Aqua. How's my hair
5:11looking, team? Be honest. Are we looking
5:14handsome for today's stream? You can you
5:16can be real with me. You can tell me I
5:19look ugly as hell.
5:20>> If I look ugly, that's fine.
5:24All the gifted subs going out. Oh my
5:27gosh.
5:29Thank you for the good sub. Beyond the
5:30sea, thank you for the good sub. There's
5:31my gifted sub going out. Thank you as
5:33well. Tuck for the good sub. Snoot with
5:36a gifted sub.
5:38>> Oh my god. Jizzy James with a tier one
5:40resub as well. For how many months? 27
5:43whole months. Holy smokes team. I
5:46appreciate that immensely. Maren also
5:49with a gift sub out to Lil Twist.
5:53Thank you. Thank you. Thank you guys.
5:55What have I started? You've done so
5:57much. Apparently, you've created a wave
6:00of subs. And speaking of the wave, the
6:02wave continues on. Oh my god. Aqua with
6:05five gifted subs. Thank you so so very
6:08much, Aqua, for the five. Sir Marshy
6:10also with the gifted sub. Thank you.
6:12Enjoy coffee on getting that sub. But
6:13Aqua with the five. Incredibly kind.
6:16Thank you so much, Aqua. Thank you, Taco
6:19Squid, for the tier one for four whole
6:21months. The alerts are not able to keep
6:24up. This is so far behind,
6:26>> right?
6:27>> It's ridiculous. This should be good.
6:30I'm glad you're excited, Taco. It should
6:32be a very good evening.
6:34>> Chill with Sarin. Um,
6:36>> I want to quickly talk again and just
6:38set expectations for tonight. I spoke
6:40about it yesterday on stream. If you
6:41were there, you kind of know what's
6:42going on. The plan is we're going to
6:44survive about 3 days in game together.
6:47During the daytime, me and Sarin will be
6:50looting, killing zombies, doing general
6:51zombo stuff. And at night time, we'll be
6:54relaxing in our base, likely hanging
6:56out, and doing some interview stuff,
6:58asking some questions, getting to learn
7:00a little bit more about Sarin, the game,
7:02and so much more as well. Um, I just
7:05want to make this very clear as well
7:07during the stream, like when we actually
7:09join with Sarin, I'll still be reading
7:11chat. I will not be responding to chat
7:16messages most likely. I will also
7:18probably hold off on thanking any alerts
7:20or anything like that until the end of
7:22the stream. I just want to make that
7:23very very clear. Uh and I'm doing that
7:26solely because I want to make sure we're
7:28locked in for the conversation. I want
7:30to make sure we're having a good evening
7:31with Sarin and he has our undivided
7:34attention. So I will still be of course
7:37there with you. We'll also be doing
7:38viewer questions at the end. So if you
7:40guys have a question for Sarin, we also
7:42recorded some yesterday uh that we'll
7:44have. But getting questions from chat.
7:47So again, we did a whole I'll show you
7:50guys really really quick. I have all my
7:51list of questions written down as well.
7:53I also need to charge my mouse too. God
7:54damn it. Oh dear. Um we have a whole
7:58list of things prepared that we're going
8:01to chat about. This was a whole giant
8:03list of viewer questions. These were
8:05pre-recorded from yesterday.
8:07And we're also going to do some
8:08questions from the live chat today as
8:10well. So, we'll do a mixture. I'm not
8:11going to be able to get to every single
8:12possible question here. Uh, but maybe
8:15we'll hit them with like rapid fire mode
8:18and just like see what happens. Before I
8:21can start the stream, I do have to
8:22charge my mouse. I not
8:28bueno
8:32have this cable. And it's actually kind
8:35of long, too. I probably could just use
8:37this plugged in if I had to, but it just
8:38wouldn't
8:44my mouse is I don't know.
8:50Not a happy mouse to
8:54that is fine. But thank you guys so much
8:55for all the support during the hype
8:56train. I appreciate all the gift subs.
8:58Piccolo also with a gift sub a moment
9:00ago. Very, very kind of you. Charge your
9:02mouse. I don't like the delay on
9:03wireless mice. I use a high-end wireless
9:05mouse for years and when it kicked the
9:06bucket I switched to a cheap wired one
9:07and the speed difference was noticeable.
9:09Uh I'm a wired guy as well. It's just
9:11when I went to buy a mouse, they did not
9:13have any wired mice and I did not feel
9:15like waiting. I am someone who I would
9:17much rather
9:19uh
9:21like just pay for something now than
9:23wait to get what I actually want. You
9:24know what I mean?
9:26But I agree. I don't think you need that
9:28crazy of a mouse, you know? Speaking of
9:30which, mouse, come here. Thank you,
9:32mouse. Um, there's an unpainted
9:34prediction. We need to cancel that. That
9:35was from today when we were watch
9:37partying the alliance game. I have to
9:38delete that. Unfortunately, we were not
9:41able to watch that game. Tragically,
9:43Fluxia, thank you for the follow.
9:45Welcome in.
9:47I appreciate that.
9:49>> Prediction is getting paid in exposure.
9:51There it is. Dubious little creature
9:53with a gifted sub out to Snowflake.
9:56Thank you so much for that. Enjoy,
9:58Snowflake, the gifted sub.
10:01any gambas today? Most likely no. I
10:04think we're gonna again be kind of
10:05locked in on the conversation and just
10:07stick with uh chatting with Sarin for
10:10the most part,
10:12but uh never say never.
10:14>> We actually will be flipping the frog at
10:16the end. So, never mind. We we are going
10:17to have something. Thank you, by the
10:19way, Shock the Prime. First time Prime,
10:22first time sub ever as well. Thank you
10:24so much for that. We King, how are you
10:27doing? Bright, welcome in. We're going
10:28to be jumping in in just a few minutes,
10:30guys. Okay. In fact, Sarahin
10:34is in the call. I know for a fact, but
10:38I'm just doing a couple final things. We
10:40did say 7:30, but I do want if he's
10:43there now, I don't want to keep him
10:44waiting as well. So, let me just make
10:47sure some final things are set and we
10:51should be good to go. Team, thank you by
10:54the way, Oscar for the follow. How are
10:57we feeling? Nervous at all? Oh my
11:01David,
11:03what the hell?
11:06David with 20 gifted subs.
11:10Oh my god, David,
11:13thank you so very, very much.
11:17Oh my gosh, Wolie, hello there. David,
11:20thank you so incredibly much for your
11:22gifted subs. Sorry I have not been
11:24around. Work has been crazy and I'm
11:26prepping for a move. I miss hanging
11:27around. One day I will catch up via
11:29VODs. David, that is completely okay. I
11:31appreciate the support. You did not have
11:33to do that, but that is insane, man.
11:36Thank you for the 20 gifted subs. We're
11:38doing a stream today. If you get the
11:39opportunity, if you're not able to stick
11:41around, David, I understand. We're going
11:42to be doing an interview with a dev from
11:45Zomboy today. So, if you like Zomboid,
11:48I'm sure this is going to be a very
11:49interesting stream to potentially catch
11:51up on the VODs channel. But, I hope
11:53you're doing well. I hope the move goes
11:55well. I hope you're going to a nice
11:56place, and I appreciate that. keeping
11:59the hype train going. Oh my god.
12:04Absolutely insane. Emil Zo, how are you
12:06doing? Did you check to see if your cat
12:08had any questions? No, I did not confer
12:10with my cat. But you know what? I think
12:12my cat, after what she did to me this
12:14morning, keeping me awake until like 5
12:16in the morning. Yeah, she gets to not
12:17ask questions. She does not get the
12:19privilege of asking questions, team. I'm
12:20sorry. The cat is denied the
12:23opportunity.
12:26It is what it is. Okay.
12:32What the heck? Hello there, Dust. How
12:34are you doing? Actually, let me move
12:35this over here
12:39if I can, YouTube. Thank you.
12:42>> And then we'll move that there.
12:46And I mean, this is going to be jank as
12:47hell. This is this is going to be very
12:49jank. I'm going to be honest. But we
12:51will make it work cuz this way I can put
12:54this right here and then we're chilling.
12:56Thank you. by the way, charge lots with
12:58the five gifted.
13:00Absolutely absurd, but I do appreciate
13:03that. Very, very kind of you.
13:05Congratulations to anybody who got one.
13:07Wolfie got one. Enjoy your gifted sub
13:08from charge, Wolfie. Um, found you
13:10through the latest Prodzy Zomboid
13:11hardcore server streams. Just signed up
13:12for Twitch to follow. Very entertaining.
13:14I appreciate that. You came at a great
13:15stream. Again, we're going to be
13:16interviewing the Zombo dev in literally
13:18like two minutes. I'm just making sure
13:19the final pieces are good to go on the
13:24stream today. Okay. I don't want to
13:25join. And then I'm like, actually, wait,
13:27can we wait one second, please? Can I
13:29please have one minute, Mr. Dev? I don't
13:31want to waste his time.
13:34So, he's already in there. In fact, he
13:36has been waiting for about 10 minutes.
13:37So, I need to join in just a moment.
13:38But, I want to remind you guys really
13:40quick, uh, that when I do join, I am
13:44going to be locked in on playing. I am
13:49not going to really be responding to
13:50chat. I'll still be reading messages.
13:52I'll still see the alerts come in. I'll
13:54thank anything that pops up at the very
13:56end. This server, by the way, is fully
13:57vanilla. We are doing pure vanilla. It's
13:59going to be very simple. It's going to
14:01be relaxing Zomboid, guys. It's not
14:03going to be crazy.
14:06>> Pretty good.
14:09>> Just making sure I have everything set
14:11to go. There we go. Pin.
14:14Perfect. Thank you. By the way, David
14:16plays for the tier one for six months in
14:18advance.
14:20Absolutely insane. Thank you so much for
14:21the longterm sub.
14:24very very kind of you again. That helps
14:26me out a lot with the partner plus. We
14:27should be good to go. Um and yeah guys,
14:30I'm going to be joining in just a
14:31moment. Let me make sure my OBS is set
14:33to go and I think we jump in. Quite
14:37frankly, I think everything is good to
14:38go. My mouse has been charging for 5
14:41minutes. I'm sure it's no longer dead.
14:43Oh, it's still blinking red. That's
14:44fine. You know what? It It definitely
14:46has a little bit more life in it. That's
14:47okay. I can't take it anymore, though.
14:49If it dies, I can just plug it in while
14:51we're doing interview sections. That's
14:53okay.
14:55Uh, final thing I need to check
14:56actually. [ __ ]
15:03Okay, we are good team. We are good.
15:05Sorry again. I just want to make sure
15:07everything is good to go. I'm nervous. I
15:09really am nervous. But, uh, I'm sure
15:12it's going to go amazing tonight. I'm
15:14sure it's going to go amazing. So, we'll
15:16see. I'm going to go ahead and join in
15:18just a moment. Discord audio should be
15:20working. I might need to boost the
15:22Discord audio, but we'll see. You guys
15:24can let me know in chat. But let's go
15:26ahead and hop in. Any final words to
15:27say, team? Any final things you want to
15:29say to me before I lock in? Good luck,
15:31Beaver. Thank you, Cabbage. I appreciate
15:32that. Fay, how are you doing?
15:35No nerves, only vibes. Good call. Good
15:37call. Will the Q be enabled? Yes, Q is
15:40enabled. You better have a suit under
15:43there. I don't. I'm sorry. It's my
15:44actual It's my Twitch t-shirt.
15:47The robe is just too classic. I do have
15:49a blazer I could put on though.
15:51>> That is enough.
15:52>> David with another 10
15:56right before the stream starts. David,
15:57thank you so much. Amiro got one. Philip
16:00Ignis Mountain Dog. Guys, please be
16:02thank W in the chat for David. That is
16:05insane. David, I have to lock in though.
16:09I have to lock in. Thank you guys. I'm
16:11going to shout out any alerts, anything
16:13that pops up at the end of the stream.
16:14For now, we're hopping in. Let's see.
16:19If Sarillin
16:22is there, are we going direct to the
16:24game? No, we're going to be going
16:24directly to the game, guys. Okay.
16:30Hello.
16:37Hello.
16:39>> Hello. There. Are you there?
16:52I think I heard you for like a split
16:54second. I don't know if you're uh at
16:55your desk or not.
17:08I don't think he's at his desk right
17:10now. I heard him for like a split second
17:11in the background. I don't know if he's
17:12there.
17:15You already made a mad beaver. Oh no.
17:18>> I'm sure you'll find a use for that.
17:20>> Okay. Looks like I had my speakers off,
17:22but I think I'm good now.
17:24>> Oh, are you there? Hi there.
17:26>> I am sorry. I I put in my I was checked
17:29my mic, but not my actual speakers. I'm
17:31good now. I can hear you.
17:32>> No worries. No worries. How are you
17:35doing today?
17:36>> Good, sir. How's it going?
17:38>> I'm doing amazing. I'm so happy to be
17:40chatting with you. Thank you so much for
17:42taking time out of your day to to play
17:43some Zomboid with us.
17:45>> Yeah, I'm looking forward to it.
17:48>> I appreciate that so much. I'm just
17:50making sure the audio is good on my end.
17:52People are saying the music is a little
17:53too loud, so I'm going to tone down my
17:54music just a little bit.
17:56>> Okay. Can you hear me? Is my audio okay?
17:58Do I need to turn my mic up or anything?
18:00>> Uh, I think you're good. Uh, can someone
18:04can someone confirm if uh his sound
18:07volume is perfect for me, says Tuck.
18:10>> Perfect. So, you might actually be set.
18:12You might be good.
18:14>> All righty.
18:15>> Amazing.
18:17Absolutely amazing. All right. Um, let
18:19me just double check that the server's
18:20online and we can kind of hop in and and
18:22get into it. Before I guess we even dive
18:25into the server though, do you want to
18:26quickly introduce yourself for anybody
18:29who maybe doesn't know who you are,
18:30Sarin?
18:31>> Sure everybody. Hey, how's it going? Uh,
18:34I'm Christian Allen and I am the design
18:37director at uh on Project Zomboid at the
18:40Indie Stone and uh I'm excited to be on
18:43the stream and not just lurking in chat
18:45like I normally do.
18:47>> Do you lurk very often?
18:49>> Yeah, every once in a while I pop I I
18:51pop in I lurk around. I like to check
18:53out your stream a couple other folks and
18:56uh yeah, see what people are doing.
18:58>> I appreciate that, dude. That's sick. I
19:00love that you're actually in tune with
19:01the uh the creator community in
19:02Zomboard. There's so many amazing
19:04streamers right now constantly doing
19:06some some crazy events and and challenge
19:08runs and stuff like that. So, that's
19:09sick.
19:11>> Yeah, it's it's definitely awesome to
19:12see like, you know, what what you and
19:14some of the other bigger streamers do
19:16and and especially a lot of the cool
19:17events you do. And then I also I
19:20actually really enjoy just the smaller
19:22streamers, especially when folks are
19:23just kind of playing the game, not
19:25really looking for an audience. So, I
19:26get to see, you know, what people are
19:28doing, what friction they run up
19:29against, and take a lot of notes for
19:31myself. Oh wow. So you actually do like
19:34research almost when you're watching
19:36too. It's almost like work at the same
19:37time as relaxation.
19:40>> Oh yeah. Yeah. It's definitely Yeah. I
19:41build a company for that time.
19:44[laughter]
19:45[gasps]
19:45>> That's hilarious. Oh my gosh. Well, let
19:48me um quickly ask you this, too. You say
19:52you're the design director of Project
19:55Zomboid. What precisely does that entail
19:59as the design director?
20:02Well, that is always the best question
20:03to get as a game designer, like what do
20:05you actually do? Um, uh, so the role
20:09specifically is is a new one for the
20:11indie zone and a new one for projects on
20:13void. I joined, uh, late last year
20:16full-time, uh, although I've been in
20:18touch with, uh, you know, uh, the team
20:20for many, many years. Um, but really um,
20:23my role is to focus on playerf facing
20:26features. Um, so in the short term when
20:29I joined in the fall, I was really
20:31focusing on a lot of player friction
20:33points. So things like uh the right uh
20:36right mouse I can't ever say it, the
20:38right mouse click uh interactions. Um I
20:43did a lot of work on uh the weapons. um
20:47a variety of different elements, but
20:49really trying to look across the game um
20:52you know, more of a long-term
20:53perspective as far as uh consistency. Uh
20:57again, I'll you'll probably hear me say
20:58it a lot like player friction points um
21:00player confusion um places where things
21:04might be be inconsistent. You know, you
21:06interact with one thing one way and a
21:08different item a different way. um and
21:11uh just trying to bring um uh that
21:15design focus uh to many of the features
21:18uh across the game. So, and I I work,
21:21you know, with the engineers, with the
21:22artists, uh with the QA team, uh
21:24production on pretty much all aspects of
21:27the of of the game, uh besides um the
21:30code and making it look uh beautiful and
21:33amazing.
21:34>> Okay. Okay. So, you're kind of seeing
21:36everything from a bird's eye view
21:38essentially.
21:40Yeah. Yeah. A lot of thing, you know,
21:42design does is thinking about, you know,
21:44someone is building a a feature or
21:47working on a feature and they're like,
21:48well, you know, how exactly should this
21:50interface work or how should the player
21:52interact with that? And then, you know,
21:54looking across the board, okay, well, it
21:56works here this way. So, here's a way to
21:59uh do it consistently. Um, a good
22:01example of that is integrating um the
22:05crafting interface into or kind of back
22:08into Right. right click as as you might
22:10remember like barricades were moved out
22:12of right click into um the crafting menu
22:16and um looking at how to conquer that
22:19that is like I worked with with RJ the
22:22um uh lead gameplay engineer to uh work
22:26on the like crafting shortcut and the
22:28the crafting uh hot elements. So if you
22:32have the interact the correct elements
22:34for crafting uh on an item, it shows up
22:37uh just as a you know button, you know,
22:39just as a click. Um and then hot linking
22:42to the actual um recipes that you could
22:45craft. A lot of things like that where
22:46it's you know where it might be
22:48functional um but was you know obviously
22:51challenging and and confusing for a lot
22:54of players. So trying to integrate those
22:55systems together, kind of the crafting
22:57system, the right click uh system both
22:59with tiles and inventory. Um yeah, and
23:02things like that
23:04>> makes perfect sense.
23:05>> I I personally love that the context
23:07menu was brought back in because I know
23:09there was that weird little period where
23:11a lot of stuff was stripped out of it
23:12that felt a little awkward to play and
23:14I'm glad that that was kind of brought
23:16back in.
23:18Yeah, there was a lot of work to find,
23:19you know, that balance between, um,
23:22things being stripped out. Um, and then
23:25it just, you know, the opposite end,
23:27which it got to at a certain point, it
23:29was completely overloaded with way too
23:31much stuff of, you know, like, oh, I
23:33right click on a, you know, um, I right
23:36click on a window and I get, you know,
23:3750 different options. And then also a
23:39lot of prioritization. And so trying to
23:41prioritize uh right-click ordering uh
23:45based on kind of the the theme that I I
23:48worked on was um you know the stress
23:50level of the of of an event. So
23:53prioritizing you know removing glass out
23:55of a window, a broken window over
23:59something like um you know uh maybe
24:02getting water out of a sink. You're
24:03you're generally not trying to get water
24:05out of a sink while you're being chased
24:08by 10 zombies. very often trying to
24:10remove broken glass from a window to
24:12climb through it while being chased by
24:14zombies. Uh that kind of thing.
24:16>> 100%.
24:18Um well, I we there's going to be so
24:20many questions, I'm sure, throughout the
24:22day tonight.
24:24>> Um but I want to make sure we get into
24:25some gaming. I'm I'm at the server spawn
24:28and I wanted to ask you your opinion on
24:31this.
24:32>> Where would you like to spawn? I asked
24:35my community last night. They would love
24:37to see us in mold draw, but I'm curious
24:40what you like to play at and we can do
24:42whatever you want.
24:44>> No, I'm I mold draw's old school. That's
24:46the default. Let's do it.
24:48>> Mold draw it is. We'll throw it in
24:51there. Did you have a build you were
24:53going with? Do you want to kind of work
24:55something out or are you just kind of
24:56doing whatever? Well, I I well, while I
24:59was sitting here, I kind of whipped up
25:01basically, you know, I know we're only
25:03going to get a few days in, so I did a
25:04pretty combat heavy build. I've got um
25:08all my regular not too bad negatives,
25:11although I left off slow reader just in
25:13case because we're on multiplayer. Um
25:15but uh got just got my positive or
25:18dextrous, brave, tinker, fit, and
25:20strong. So, I like to go mely, long
25:23blunt if I can. Built on construction
25:25worker. construction workers a good nice
25:27good balanced uh uh uh melee build. So
25:31yeah, that's what I kind of threw
25:32together. I figured we'd be smashing a
25:34lot of heads. Wait, which game we Which
25:36game mode are we in by the way?
25:38>> We are close to Apocalypse. Uh I'm
25:41keeping it close there. But I will warn
25:43you on this. I did make one very tiny
25:47adjustment which might be a little
25:48diabolical. Maybe we'll come across it
25:51or not. I don't know. But, uh, just keep
25:54your head on a swivel, I guess.
25:56>> Okay. Okay. Well, I've got, uh, I got
25:59brave in there. And, uh, go for some
26:01long blunt if I can. And, uh, you you
26:05I'm not the best Zomboid player. You're
26:07definitely more experienced as far as
26:09combat than I am. Um, I I I have to play
26:13to test all the systems, so I I uh I'm
26:16I'm I'm pretty good, but we'll see. You
26:18You all will probably see me die a
26:20bunch.
26:20>> We'll see how it goes. We'll see how it
26:22goes. cuz it'll be a good time. I It's
26:24crazy. I'm going construction worker as
26:25well. We We kind of are almost mimic
26:28each other a little bit, but uh
26:29>> Cool.
26:30>> Let's jump in. I'm spawning in. I've
26:32already got my character. I'm ready to
26:34go. We'll meet up. Uh I could actually
26:37activate admin mode. Do you want to try
26:38and meet up or do you want me to just TP
26:39us?
26:41>> Uh whichever. Uh whichever. Let's just
26:43Whichever you like. You choose.
26:45>> Let's TP. That'll be a little bit
26:46quicker because then we can get into the
26:48fun as well right away.
26:50>> All right. All right. All right, I got a
26:52cool guy, Ricardo Hastings. That's who I
26:54And it even came with the goatee just
26:56like I have. So, that looks good.
26:59>> Perfect.
27:10Need to just really quick.
27:23All right. When you load in, I can TP us
27:25and we can get started.
27:27>> All right. Just joining the game.
27:32Moldra.
27:34Here's
27:38my character. And
27:44I joining. I created a new character
27:46accidentally, but that's okay. She She
27:49has a cool haircut.
27:56>> Oh, I already hear some zombies outside
27:58of the spawn house. I picked.
28:00>> Perfect.
28:05>> All right, I am in. Looks like it. Yep.
28:08>> Perfect.
28:10Oh, and there we go.
28:11>> Hello there.
28:13>> Look at that hairstyle. I'm I'm rocking
28:15it.
28:15>> You You are looking good right now. I
28:17like that hair [laughter] hairstyle.
28:19>> In driver. That's who I am.
28:21>> Inus driver.
28:23>> Yes. Inus. Ein in
28:28something like that.
28:29I am Colby Clark. I didn't pick that.
28:32That was just random. That kind of
28:33sings, though. I like it.
28:36All right. Well, we can uh kind of take
28:39a look around our starting home. Did you
28:40see one out there? Cuz I definitely
28:42heard someone out there.
28:43>> I didn't I just peakedked out the window
28:45real quick.
28:47>> I got a knife.
28:48>> Okay, I'll check the closet. Maybe
28:50there'll be like a crowbar in there or
28:51something.
28:53I was getting insanely lucky recently on
28:57my recent apocalypse run. I got like
28:59three crowbars in the span of like five
29:01or six houses. It was unreal.
29:03>> My uh my experience is always I never
29:05find a crowbar until uh I find one and
29:08then I find like 15 in the next 3
29:10minutes.
29:13>> All right. Well, we already have some
29:14friends, but it's fine.
29:16>> Yeah. Yeah.
29:18[groaning]
29:27They're coming through the rear of the
29:28building, but I took care of them.
29:43Was there any food in here at all or No,
29:46>> there was.
29:46>> I grabbed the milk chocolate bar. I
29:48didn't I didn't check the fridge. I
29:49think
29:50>> there's so much in there. There's lard,
29:52too.
29:52>> Nice. Yeah.
29:56>> So, yeah, definitely grab all of that.
29:58Um, I'll grab a sheet sling bag. Oh,
30:00life and living is on, too. I completely
30:02forgot about that.
30:04>> Probably get a little hooking XP right
30:06now.
30:09>> I'm going to grab a sling bag, too,
30:12unless there's something better in here.
30:14No, just bras.
30:16>> Just bras. Just bras. Look, we got
30:19plenty of bras. We're good on bras.
30:21>> Perfect.
30:23>> Oh, wait. There might be a basement to
30:25our house. I'm just now noticing that.
30:26>> I was just seeing that. Yeah.
30:31>> Uh oh. On the outside. Do we have the
30:33key though?
30:35>> I do not have a key.
30:37>> Do you think it's locked? Oh, it is
30:39locked. Okay. Well,
30:41>> was worth a try. Maybe one of the
30:43zombies will have the key. Who knows?
30:46I got a lighter. I think I took smoker.
30:48Did I take smoker?
30:50>> I think I took smoker as well, actually.
30:52So, I will need to get cigarettes.
30:53>> Smoker.
30:54>> Yeah. [laughter]
31:00>> Animal care volume one. That's a good
31:02skill book.
31:07>> Okay. Pen and eraser in case we need to
31:09write on the map. I'm going to make my
31:11sling bag real quick or
31:15So, let me actually take a look where we
31:17are on the map. Um,
31:20we're kind of down. I think we're close
31:22to Corman Medical, if I remember
31:24correctly.
31:26>> Yeah, we're on that. Yeah. Oh, yeah. On
31:28that little uh curvy [music]
31:30bit.
31:31>> Yeah. Would you Do you think you want to
31:33head up there? Do you think you want to
31:35turn that into our base?
31:37>> I love that building.
31:39>> You love that building? Yeah,
31:40>> I do.
31:42the the recreation of it or the uh the
31:45improvement in Build 42 has been amazing
31:49to see. I love what it has become.
31:53>> It's definitely come a long way. The
31:54team's been working really hard on it
31:56and uh you know I I I'm not sure if you
31:58saw the announcement yesterday, but we
32:00just published kind of the the map uh
32:02the map to stable.
32:05>> I did see that. I was going to bring
32:07that up a little bit later, but we can
32:09talk about that now. No, you are all
32:11good. This is a perfect segue.
32:14I was going to chat about that. It's
32:15insane after about two years of
32:18development work, we're seeing build 42
32:22finally go stable. How does it feel to
32:24have reached that point?
32:28Okay, I crushed your head. Uh yes. Um
32:31it's it's super exciting. Um uh to the
32:34point where, you know, we uh got the
32:38announcement ready yesterday. We've been
32:40I was working on it this week uh and
32:42getting ready to put it out. Um it's
32:44it's exciting and terrifying at the same
32:47time. Obviously, you know, I'm the new
32:48guy on the team. Uh so this is my first
32:51rodeo going into uh into reading
32:53glasses. Reading glasses. Sweet.
32:55>> Oh, are you shortsighted?
32:58>> Uh no. Uh yeah, I am. Um but 10% reading
33:01book, baby.
33:02>> So true. True.
33:08But yeah, so sorry I get to I'm not used
33:10to doing chatting while I'm playing.
33:14>> You're fine. You're fine. It's uh I mean
33:16there's a lot going on right now. There
33:17are some some Zomboids hanging around.
33:20So we'll we'll clear them out. We can
33:21keep chatting afterwards, of course.
33:25Whatever you're most comfortable. My
33:26thinking was like during the day we can
33:28go out and loot and clear places out and
33:32at night time we can work on the base,
33:34relax and and maybe that's where we can
33:35do a lot of like questions and answers.
33:38>> Yeah. Yeah, that works. But yeah, I mean
33:42overall, you know, this is a really
33:43exciting time. Um the team's been
33:45working really hard and it's going to be
33:48nice especially to, you know, see it hit
33:50the broader, you know, Steam user base.
33:53you know, folks that that aren't that
33:55don't want to opt into unstable builds.
33:57Um, and uh and that ride. Um, so yeah,
34:01super exciting times.
34:03>> Well, that's going to be so interesting,
34:04too, because I'm sure you guys probably
34:06have data on how many people have not
34:08tried build 41. From my own chat,
34:10though, and just speaking with my
34:11community members, a lot of people have
34:13moved over to 42, but there were a lot
34:15that wanted to stay on 41 for the mod
34:17support, the uh more stable multiplayer,
34:20their long-term playthroughs. Do you
34:23guys wonder how those players who have
34:25not even touched Build 42 yet are going
34:28to feel about it when it finally goes
34:31stable and are kind of thrust into the
34:33new version?
34:35>> Yeah. I mean, you know, the the the
34:37folks that are in unstable obviously um
34:39are, you know, generally the more savvy
34:42techsavvy players, right? like it even
34:44just uh opting into Unstable is um uh
34:49can be a barrier to entry for folks,
34:51right? Uh you know, the average player
34:52that just jumps into Steam and double
34:54clicks on a game, you know, they're not
34:56going to bother, you know, going through
34:57that process. Um and and there's a lot
35:00of players out there, a lot of folks out
35:01there that they don't really pay
35:02attention to to updates and things like
35:05that. So, it'll be kind of a nice um uh
35:11feedback loop for me to be able to see,
35:13okay, you know, here's folks that just
35:15to them one day they just logged in and
35:16it's like, hey, what's this B42 thing?
35:19You know, wait, it's, you know,
35:21completely dark at night. Wait, you
35:23know, these things work differently. Oh,
35:25I can do all these new cool things. Um
35:28so it's it's going to be um a lot of
35:31information uh to process but um but
35:34again also you know a lot of people have
35:37been waiting right like a lot of people
35:39don't want to play where their their
35:42build can you know get nuked by an
35:44update or might have to reset you know a
35:46server or anything like that. Um so it's
35:49going to be you know exciting to to have
35:51them on board as well.
35:53>> 100%. I I think you make a really good
35:55point because what I've noticed as well,
35:58there are some players it's almost like
36:00Minecraft way. Oh, yep. Yep. That little
36:03guy coming around. Hello there. Oh,
36:06there's many little guys behind the
36:07shed. That's awesome. Okay.
36:10>> I have yet to find a weapon, by the way.
36:12That's why I'm kind of still pushing.
36:15>> Just rock with a saxophone.
36:17>> How's the saxophone? Is it going good?
36:20>> Uh, it just broke. [laughter] Oh, okay.
36:25>> Well, at least you were soothing the
36:26zombies. Lovely job.
36:28>> I'm going to put a feature request in
36:32saxophone.
36:33In fact,
36:35>> I love that.
36:37>> The saxophone does. So, like like maybe
36:39little saxophone squeaks like
36:42>> the flute does it too.
36:44>> Yeah.
36:46>> I didn't know the saxophone did not do
36:48that, quite frankly.
36:50>> Apparently. Interesting.
36:52>> Cleaver. Didn't actually put that on my
36:54belt.
36:56>> I don't normally use bladed weapons just
36:58cuz I always want to be able to grab
37:01sweet sweet loot off zeds. And one of my
37:05very early playthroughs, I uh found
37:08someone and I was like, "Leather pants,
37:10sweet." And then I stabbed him to death
37:11and then went, "Oh, I just just just cut
37:14up the leather pants that I wanted."
37:17>> Yeah, I've made that mistake myself
37:19sometimes. But that's just the level of
37:21det. By the way, there's absolutely
37:23nothing in this shed. There's absolutely
37:25nothing.
37:27[laughter]
37:28>> But that's the level of detail in this
37:30game. For me, that's one of the most
37:33amazing parts about this game is there
37:35are so many things interacting with one
37:37another that you would never even
37:39imagine would interact with another. And
37:40when you realize, oh my god, this had an
37:42impact on this, it's insane. It feels
37:45like you're playing something a thousand
37:48years advanced from now. It doesn't feel
37:50like any other game I've played.
37:53>> Yeah. I mean, that's had an impact on me
37:56both as a player, as a designer, right?
37:58Like I' I've worked on some some, you
38:01know, very high-profile games and games
38:03that were very technically complex. I
38:05mean, Halo uh Reach was, you know,
38:08incredibly technically perspect complex
38:10from like a sandbox and physics
38:12standpoint uh and precision standpoint,
38:15but having, you know, these very large
38:19complex systems that not only interact
38:21with each other in a lot of different
38:22ways, but are persistent across the
38:24world and the amount of data that's
38:25being tracked and stuff like that is
38:27just intriguing
38:30and uh intimidating and sometimes uh
38:35challenging. shink when you're like,
38:36"Oh, I made this change." Um, you know,
38:38I was I was working on container um
38:41values like uh fluid containers and I
38:45was like, "Oh, let's change all the
38:46liquor bottles to be 750 milliliters
38:49because um you know that's what liquor
38:51bottles are in the US." And it was like,
38:53"Oops, I broke Molotov cocktails." Okay,
38:55that's not going to work. Let's put that
38:57out a little bit farther. So, there's a
38:59lot of things like that.
39:01I got a watch. Nice.
39:02>> Oh, very nice finds. Oh, water bottle.
39:05That would have been a good thing. Okay.
39:07>> Oh, yeah. I guess I'm getting a little
39:08thirsty as well.
39:10>> Yeah, a couple couple zeds out back.
39:13>> Is this Yeah, all the buildings are
39:15locked. Wow. The apocalypse sandbox does
39:18not mess around with the locked doors. I
39:19feel like a lot of buildings get locked.
39:21>> Yeah, whoever set those values is such a
39:27>> Oh, okay. All good
39:31here. I'll I'll try to get us inside the
39:32building. Okay, I'll tag these.
39:34>> Okay. Oh, perfect. This window was open.
39:41>> Oh, there must be a fence in there.
39:44>> Oh, one more.
39:45>> Wait, I'm being told there was a key we
39:47passed.
39:48>> Oh, of course.
39:50>> The keys are so t I miss them so often.
39:54>> I know. You got to keep an eye out for
39:55them. They're hard.
39:56>> Forging is good for that.
39:58>> Activating forging mode.
40:00>> Uh but yeah, it was for this red car
40:02right here. Oh my gosh.
40:03>> Oh,
40:06does that have gas?
40:07>> Uh, no it does not.
40:09>> Ouch.
40:11>> You know, Sarin, it's so interesting
40:12that like right before the zombie
40:14apocalypse broke out, everybody parked
40:16their cars and then siphoned all of the
40:18fuel out of them. Make sure no one would
40:20have gasoline.
40:21>> Yes. And then they threw their keys on
40:23the ground.
40:24>> Yes, [laughter]
40:26>> we actually do. There is a little I
40:29think it's in there already, but there's
40:31a a little bit of um lore that we threw
40:35in uh to help with the uh uh help
40:39explain some of the I I don't I won't
40:41give it away. I'm not going to give it
40:42away, but there's a little bit of lore
40:43stuck in there somewhere about um uh the
40:46the gas bandits.
40:48>> Oh, really?
40:51>> Okay. Well, we'll have to be on the
40:52lookout for that then. Uh, by the way,
40:55are you going to eat this bacon that's
40:56cooked up in the microwave?
40:58>> No. Oh, no. Go for it. Oh,
41:00>> okay. Well, you know what? I'll have
41:01half of it and you can have the rest.
41:04>> I don't want to steal all of the other
41:06PS.
41:07>> That is actually a recent feature that
41:09uh microwaves can have bacon. They can
41:11have I think uh cups of coffee. Uh
41:15that's a recent thing.
41:16>> Oh, that's so sick. I love going into a
41:19house and seeing like a meal that was
41:22like halfway being prepared. Like you
41:24see a steak on the table with like
41:25veggies lying by it and it's like the
41:28environmental storytelling at times in
41:30this game is also another hook for me
41:32because you just go across buildings and
41:34it's just you can imagine what was going
41:36on in there. A barricaded bathroom with
41:38a guy dead on the outside and someone
41:41banging inside of the bathroom, you
41:44know, things like that are just
41:45incredible to me. Yeah, absolutely. Um,
41:48environmental storytelling is, you know,
41:50both the intended stuff, you know, the
41:52the more dramatic, you know, I'm not
41:54sure if you're familiar with the uh the
41:56the creepy compound of uh of folks
41:59living off the grid. Um, stuff like
42:01that. But, but even just the the way
42:04that the systems work together. I found
42:06a bleach bottle. Hold on. Uh I mean I
42:09don't need to bleach but it used to be
42:12um the way that that the procedural
42:16systems like um like the loot stories
42:19and then you know the zomb the zed
42:21stories of of spawning like work
42:24together to to build out the world. Um
42:27it it really comes together. It's so
42:30much better in my opinion than more
42:32scripted events. you know, script
42:34scripted type stuff is cool, but you
42:37very quickly as a player learn like, oh
42:40yeah, okay, you know, every time I come
42:42around the corner, you know, this spawns
42:44[groaning] or whatever, and it it starts
42:46to lose this magic. But when you have,
42:48you know, the the you know, the the
42:50crashed ambulance in the middle middle
42:52of nowhere with the, you know, Zed
42:54still, you know, you got the two drivers
42:56and then the um uh the patient. Uh
42:59things like that um really bring the
43:01world together.
43:07So, what I was thinking, since we have
43:09the key for that red car, we could
43:11probably check this parking lot by the
43:13church and see maybe one of those cars
43:15have some fuel or something.
43:17>> Yeah,
43:19>> perfect.
43:20>> Just need a hose.
43:22>> Oh, good point. Yeah.
43:25>> Well, maybe one of the trunks.
43:37I'm a construction worker and I'm using
43:39a
43:42>> You're going to town on them though.
43:44It's working. [groaning]
43:48>> Look at you go. There they go.
43:52>> No.
43:54All right. I bet this truck or something
43:57will have something in it.
43:59>> Oh yeah. Gas canister right there.
44:01>> There you go, baby.
44:03>> Okay,
44:03>> hold the truck.
44:09>> Unfortunately, all of the other cars
44:10seem to be locked, but that's okay.
44:21>> Oh, digital watch.
44:23Well, this one actually this white van
44:25does have fuel in it. So
44:27>> Oh, cool.
44:30>> In fact, before I smash the windows, I'm
44:32going to just look around. Maybe there
44:33will be a key on the ground for one of
44:34these new cars, and we can just take
44:36that instead.
44:37>> Yeah, especially with car alarms.
44:39>> Yes, good point. Very good point.
44:41>> Oh, there's a rubber hose. Uh, I got a
44:43rubber hose and a gas can, so we can
44:44siphon.
44:45>> Oh, but then never mind. We just
44:47probably take the fuel out of the white
44:48van and we can head over to Corbin.
44:50I mean, I got a gas can and an empty
44:52bucket. So, I will siphon if you cover
44:55me.
44:56>> Yeah, I got you.
44:59>> Which car are you siphoning right now?
45:01>> Uh, the white band.
45:02>> Okay, I I'll cover you. There's only one
45:04little guy coming on over.
45:07>> He said it was time
45:08>> or she or
45:09>> they're slow little creatures every now
45:11and then.
45:13That's one of the interesting changes we
45:14actually made to default uh Apocalypse
45:17is having the varied um uh uh well maybe
45:22that was in Apocalypse before, but I I
45:24like having the
45:26>> [screaming]
45:26>> um uh the differing movement speeds just
45:28because it makes the especially when
45:30you're uh you know kiting big crowds,
45:33you you don't have as much control where
45:35it's whereas if they're either just slow
45:37or just fast shamblers, they're all kind
45:40of the same and you can move them all
45:41the same, But having that variety in
45:43their speed um even without sprinters uh
45:46adds adds a lot of challenge. You can't
45:48just uh you know make them go exactly
45:50where you want to go.
45:52>> No, you are exactly right actually
45:54because I've noticed it is much harder
45:57to clear areas with the more traditional
46:00ways of like honking horns, using
46:02sirens, whatever, when some of them move
46:05really quick and others are super slow.
46:08Because by the time you get rid of the
46:10quick ones, the slow ones are still
46:11hanging around the building and more
46:12have come in to the sound of the
46:14honking.
46:16>> Yeah. Yeah. And you get that kind of
46:17train effect. All right. I am Oh, I'm
46:20way over Oh, I'm overloaded because I
46:22just filled up a gas can. That's why I I
46:24got the gas can and even a I got 20 lers
46:29of gasoline on me. I got a full bucket
46:31and a full gas can. There's a lot of gas
46:33in that. Bam.
46:34>> We will not need to worry about gasoline
46:36then. It was worth coming here.
46:38>> I don't even know if that car can hold
46:4020 lers of gas.
46:42>> We have backup, I guess, if it runs out.
46:44>> Yeah. Not that I know what 20 lers are.
46:46I'm still an American. I don't
46:48>> Very true. Very true. What is a
46:49kilometer?
46:52>> There it is.
46:55>> I'm actually curious. You live in
46:56Alaska, right?
46:58>> I I'm from Alaska. I actually live in
47:00the Seattle area now.
47:01>> But I I I grew up in Alaska until I
47:04joined the Marine Corps and still have
47:05family there. I was just there. I think
47:07I was last there in January.
47:09>> Very nice. How is it in Alaska?
47:11Obviously cold most of the time.
47:14[laughter]
47:15>> Well, I'm from uh South Central. I am uh
47:18uh just outside of Anchorage, which is
47:20the uh the first stop on the rod. And um
47:24summers are a lot more like Washington.
47:26Summers are I mean, except for it never
47:28getting dark. It's otherwise relatively
47:31normal. Uh, and winters can get can get
47:34cold, can get dark. Um, but you know,
47:37you you kind of adapt to it. Um, I
47:39actually do better in uh Alaska style
47:42winters than I do in Seattle winters.
47:44Seattle's are just wet and dark and
47:47miserable for 6 months, whereas Alaska,
47:49even though it's cold, there's still
47:50sunshine.
47:55Well, it took all 20 lers.
47:57>> Oh, wow. Perfect. Let me just double
48:00check the state of this car, too. I'm
48:01curious. the engine again.
48:05Oh, this engine's fantastic. 100%.
48:08>> Cool.
48:09>> So, yeah, we're good to go. This can
48:12hold up to 24, apparently.
48:14>> Cool. If you want to unlock the trunk,
48:17I'll throw this uh
48:18>> Yep. There you go.
48:19>> Can stuff in there.
48:23[laughter]
48:23>> The trunk is full of beer.
48:25>> No way. Stop.
48:27>> There is. Look.
48:28>> Oh my god. [laughter]
48:30Wait, there so much of it's empty, too.
48:35>> Were they bugging cruising while drunk?
48:41>> Let's see. Oh, I Oh, I still do. Hold
48:44on. Let's see. I have a bleach I
48:47accidentally filled my bleach bottle up
48:48with gasoline, too. I'll pour that in
48:50there. And then before we go, I'm going
48:53to run and get some water.
48:55>> Sure.
48:56>> Okay. Hose. Okay. Let me just go top up
48:59my water because I forgot about I got
49:01distracted by gasoline.
49:03>> Can't drink that.
49:05>> You know what? This could potentially
49:06explain why there was no gasoline in the
49:08car. Maybe they just got so drunk they
49:10[laughter] ripped it all out.
49:15Drinking. Okay, I got a bottle full of
49:17water. I'm happy.
49:18>> Perfect.
49:22All right, we can drive on over towards
49:24Cordon Medical and clear it out and that
49:26can be our little base spot.
49:28>> All right, I love it.
49:31>> Nice, gentle cruise at a leisurely
49:3645 to 50 mph.
49:43Now, one thing I I actually noticed
49:45recently, uh, is with the new ragd doll
49:48feature added in Build 42, which I love,
49:51by the way, the zombies, they feel so
49:56much more difficult to kill with the car
49:58because instead of just immediately
50:00crunching to death, instead they just
50:02flop onto the ground and they want to
50:04get right back up or start crawling
50:06towards you. How has ragdolls kind of
50:09affected the game overall in that point,
50:11do you think?
50:13>> Yeah, it's it's definitely affected
50:15things. I mean, they're they're
50:16definitely Well, first off, there's been
50:18some bugs. Um, specifically related to
50:21cars and uh and ragdolls. I know at one
50:23point they it was like as soon as you
50:25touched them with a car, they just like
50:27insta died. And then we dialed that one
50:30way and then for a bit I think it's been
50:33fixed. There was uh you know, they were
50:35immune to car damage. So trying to find
50:37the the balance there along with
50:39obviously we have to take into account
50:41performance and multiplayer um syncs and
50:43all that fun stuff. So you know there's
50:45been a bit of a technical challenge uh
50:47with rag dolls but from a gameplay
50:50perspective I mean you know not um not
50:54being able to just kind of rely on the
50:57the B41 standard of like well I'll just
51:00go backwards and if I tap them just at
51:02this right speed that you know I I kind
51:04of always know exactly when they die.
51:06having that v variability in there. Um
51:09and obviously that's affected gunplay as
51:11well, you know, when they react um with
51:14with Ragd Doll and such like that. Um
51:17but uh but yeah, it's it's been cool to
51:19see see how it's played out and and that
51:22it does affect gameplay. And that's one
51:23of I think one of the cool things about
51:25Project Zomboid is again back to what
51:27you were saying earlier, the
51:28interconnected systems. You know, it's
51:30not just ragdoll to make things, you
51:32know, look more like uh, you know, oh,
51:34they die and fall in cool, funny ways,
51:37but it actually does affect gameplay.
51:46[groaning]
51:47Got my short now.
51:49>> Yeah, I found a uh sauce pan.
51:53[groaning and screaming] So, kind of
51:54just diving in there right now. Sarin,
51:56let me know if you need to back out.
51:57>> Just jump right into it. Okay. If we
51:58need to back out, we can let me know.
52:03>> As long as there's not a thousand
52:05inside,
52:06>> we should be okay. And I feel like also
52:08with the fence right behind us, some of
52:10them might get confused and want the
52:13fence instead.
52:15See back. [groaning]
52:23[groaning]
52:26>> I'm coming over to help you now.
52:29>> Yeah. I'm going to get out of this
52:30corner here in a sec.
52:34>> Oh, well, there goes the sauce pan.
52:37That's fine.
52:42Oh, and just I summize some of them do
52:44like the fence.
52:46>> Yeah,
52:48[groaning]
52:52>> I'll look around for a new weapon. Even
52:54a rock will do.
52:56>> All right, I'm going to pop over and peg
52:58this guy.
52:59>> Sure.
53:01[groaning]
53:04>> Wait, what did he say?
53:08>> [groaning]
53:10>> Come on.
53:12>> I'm getting tired.
53:13>> Oh, is everything okay over there?
53:15>> Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It just took me
53:17like eight hits.
53:18>> Okay.
53:19The muscle strain sometimes.
53:23>> Yeah, it took Yeah, I got Oh, I do have
53:26some muscle strain. Yeah,
53:31let me check these bodies for keys.
53:35[groaning]
53:37denim shirt. Am I already wearing a
53:39denim shirt?
53:42Probably doesn't help I'm wearing a
53:44jacket, a vest, and a hoodie. I'm
53:46probably getting hot, too. Yeah.
53:48>> Probably a little toasty out here.
53:51>> Oh, I got a key to the clinic.
53:52>> Oh, perfect. It's great.
53:54>> Nice. Did that work for the little side
53:56building, too?
53:57>> Uh, the side building's unlocked. I'm
53:59already in there.
53:59>> Oh, okay. Oh, another one outside.
54:02[groaning]
54:06I'm definitely feeling the feeling the
54:09strain. Come on.
54:12>> Hi there, little buddy. I didn't even
54:13notice you were there. Oh, NO.
54:18[groaning]
54:22>> What that sound? You smack them with the
54:23uh with the pot. [groaning]
54:26>> The pot is very fun to use. There are
54:28just a lot of weapons in this game that
54:30are just very satisfying to smack
54:32zombies with. [groaning]
54:43Oh, there are a lot coming in probably
54:45from the market across the street.
54:50>> YEAH,
54:52>> guy needs to stop. Thank you.
54:57>> Yeah, there's
54:59still four or five more in the parking
55:01lot. Someone hears me because I hear
55:03them. Oh, I just heard a window break.
55:09>> Definitely take that.
55:11>> Where did that window break come from?
55:13Oh, he's in the dentist office or
55:16whatever this is.
55:16>> Do you need to come over?
55:18>> No, I got it.
55:19>> Okay.
55:22Well, it is going to be getting
55:23nighttime soon, so I guess it's good
55:25that we got to medical when we did. Uh,
55:28I don't know if you're able to find a
55:29hammer at all.
55:32Not yet.
55:33>> Not yet. Okay. Uh we might be able to
55:36make a hammer though with our crafting
55:38skill.
55:40>> Yeah, I think we can.
55:41>> Yeah. No, we can. Steak knife, tree
55:43branch, duct tape. That's really easy to
55:45get relatively.
55:47>> There's a little closet in here. It
55:49might be
55:51Oh, no. That's a bathroom. Never mind. I
55:52thought it might be a uh tool closet.
55:55Take a bandage, though. Hopefully,
55:57>> you can check the buildings. I'll go
55:59forge around and maybe check some of the
56:00nearby buildings. And if not, we'll just
56:02go inside and rest for a little bit.
56:05>> All right, sounds good.
56:20>> I've got to go wash out my character,
56:22too. I took Fear of Blood, so my
56:23character's freaking out right now.
56:29covered in blood. Oh, hold up. This
56:32might be something.
56:38>> Yeah, not really.
56:40>> Yeah, I used to run Fear of Blood a lot,
56:43but uh recently I kind of stopped
56:46running it just because
56:48you running out of water washing all the
56:50time um kind of became an issue. It's
56:54fine if you got especially, you know, if
56:56you got a river or something nearby,
56:57it's no big deal. But if if you're
56:59actually trying to conserve water and
57:00you have to wash your clothes after
57:01every run. Um although one thing I did,
57:05uh I uh just set up a mannequin near my
57:08base and so every time I came home, I'd
57:10just do the auto swap to swap all my
57:11bloody clothes to the mannequin.
57:14>> That is so smart. I've never thought of
57:16doing that with a mannequin.
57:19>> Yeah. Yeah. It's uh there's actually an
57:21option. Oo, I got a fanny pack. Um, uh,
57:24it's got a basically swap clothes, uh,
57:27option on the mannequin, uh, inputs, and
57:29so you can just walk up to it, hit swap,
57:32and it'll just swap your outfit with
57:33their outfit. And it works great for
57:35Fear of Blood. So, you can basically
57:36just or discomfort, too, if you're
57:38wearing a lot of armor when you get back
57:39from a run and you're not actually in
57:41combat to reduce stress, you can just
57:44whip that off and uh, up. That is so
57:47smart quite frankly, especially for the
57:50discomfort because that is I will say
57:52that is something that I know a lot of
57:55people
57:57uh have brought up as maybe a pain point
57:59in Build 42. They don't necessarily
58:00understand or like the discomfort system
58:04in the game right now.
58:05>> Yeah. Yeah. I mean, obviously I' I've
58:08seen that feedback and um you know, if
58:11you saw in the in the game mode uh
58:13rework that we put out, I think was 15
58:15or 16. Um I I actually we we dialed down
58:20uh discomfort um a good amount. Um right
58:24now it's kind of balanced to where you
58:26can kind of wear um kind of a base level
58:29of armor. So, you know, armpad, knee-
58:31pads, um a uh you know, hunting vest, a
58:36a mask, um and like a riding helmet. So,
58:39you can have one kind of full layer set
58:42that doesn't cause any discomfort. Um
58:44one of the big changes I made based on
58:46that feedback um or I requested the team
58:49to make was uh the way that discomfort
58:52actually adds to stress. Um and that was
58:56for a few different reasons. One, stress
58:58is mitigated. One of the things that
59:00lowers stress besides smoking uh is
59:02actually combat. So you can fully
59:05basically armor up and then while you're
59:08actually in combat, you you might build
59:10some stress. Um but it's not instantly
59:13leading to depression like it was before
59:15where you would just finish com, you
59:17know, you clear out a horde and then you
59:18just, you know, super unhappy. Um now
59:22you can um uh you can just get rid of
59:24that stress um you know, via magazine or
59:27or whatever. Um, and like I said, if
59:30you've got something like Fear of Blood,
59:32uh, which which kind of stacks on top of
59:34that, then you can do things like swap
59:36out your clothes. Um, but I know I I
59:39understand that that some people aren't
59:41happy with it and don't like it. Um, it
59:44it does have a gameplay uh, you know,
59:46effect of encouraging you to, you know,
59:49not be sleeping in plate armor and full
59:51gas masks all the time. Um, I mean, you
59:54know, uh, you know, like like uh I don't
59:57know. I I've never tried to sleep in
59:58plate armor, but I assume that would be
1:00:00quite uh uncomfortable. Um uh but
1:00:04finding that balance, right? Um is is
1:00:07always the key. And of course, you know,
1:00:08sandbox and server options, that's one
1:00:10of the things I love about projects on
1:00:12is being able to explo expose those
1:00:14values to the player. And you know, if
1:00:16anybody wants to quote me on it, playing
1:00:18sandbox is just as valid as playing any
1:00:20other version of of uh Zomboy that there
1:00:24is. So, you know, if if there's a
1:00:26feature, if if you know, if you don't
1:00:28like the XP gain, crank it up. If you
1:00:31don't like the the trait costs, give
1:00:33yourself some points. If you don't like
1:00:35discomfort, set it to zero. Um, and uh,
1:00:39so yeah,
1:00:41>> I'm so glad you said that because every
1:00:43once in a while I get people in my chat
1:00:46when I'm playing what I consider to be
1:00:48kind of challenging settings and what I
1:00:50would assume many people would say are
1:00:53insane and they're like, "Ah, you're
1:00:55playing on baby mode. You're not doing
1:00:57all sprinters. You're not doing 16x
1:00:59population with respawns." Like the
1:01:03thing you have to remember about
1:01:04Zomboid, in my opinion, is it's meant to
1:01:06be a sandbox game first. So,
1:01:09>> it is
1:01:10>> I love that you bring up the point that
1:01:12you can alter anything you want in this
1:01:14game. If you are annoyed by it, there is
1:01:17very likely an option in the menu that
1:01:19you can go into and adjust to whatever
1:01:21you want it to be. And if there's not,
1:01:23the modding scene is huge in this game,
1:01:25too.
1:01:25>> So, there's I know for a fact there's
1:01:27lots of mods. For example, there was one
1:01:28mod I saw where planks become extremely
1:01:31light. So, if you want to be a
1:01:32carpenters going around building
1:01:33mansions, you can do that with no issue.
1:01:36>> Yep. Yeah. I mean, PZ is forged to to
1:01:39play the the way you want to play. And,
1:01:41you know, I've seen that a lot, too. I I
1:01:43know when I when we did the game mode
1:01:45revamp, you know, some people love it.
1:01:47You know, they love the apocalypse
1:01:48changes to be more uh you know, lore
1:01:51cannon focused. They loved uh
1:01:53Extinction. Um some people don't. Some
1:01:57people hate the changes that that we
1:02:00made to Apocalypse and you know um I
1:02:03don't think too many people hate the
1:02:05fact that extinction exists. Um but it's
1:02:08obviously not for everybody. I'm not I'm
1:02:10not a I I'm not a big fan of, you know,
1:02:12having sprinters leap through the window
1:02:13and kill me immediately. Um uh but it
1:02:16was crafted, you know, to be a
1:02:18challenge. That was the idea. Uh, and
1:02:19that was also kind of the idea of
1:02:21calling of of really identifying
1:02:23Apocalypse as lore canon is that the
1:02:26other modes can be, you know, a little
1:02:28bit gamey here and there for for certain
1:02:30things. Um, but yeah, I mean, if you you
1:02:33know, uh, my son has played zombies a
1:02:36little bit android a little bit and, uh,
1:02:39when when he was a little bit younger,
1:02:41he really wanted to play and and and uh,
1:02:43my wife uh was like, "Well, he's too
1:02:46young for a zombie game." And I was
1:02:47like, "Don't worry, I'll turn off all
1:02:48the zombies." And he still ended up
1:02:50dying me in the first two days.
1:02:52[laughter]
1:02:54>> It happens. I think early on, uh,
1:02:57Zomboid, no matter what difficulty
1:02:59settings you put it on, is actually an
1:03:02incredibly challenging game. And I
1:03:04remember some of my first runs, the very
1:03:07first run I ever did, I spawned
1:03:08rosewood. I heard zombies outside my
1:03:10building, and I was so scared to move
1:03:12because I understand one bite, you're
1:03:14done for. Your run is over. I didn't
1:03:16want to leave the house. I literally
1:03:18just stayed in the house, closed all of
1:03:19the curtains, and just hoped they would
1:03:21run away from my home. And of course,
1:03:23they never did. They eventually found
1:03:25their way inside because I kept making
1:03:26noise. And that was just so terrifying
1:03:29to me. But that's part of the joy as
1:03:31well is learning this game and getting
1:03:33over that fear of the zombies.
1:03:36>> Yeah, that was one of my early
1:03:38experiences as well. I I think my very
1:03:40first run I died from elbowing uh
1:03:42breaking a car window with my elbow and
1:03:44bleeding out. Um uh and then but then uh
1:03:48yeah in uh in Muldra that that um that
1:03:51hotel over by the um by the trailer
1:03:54park. I I swear on my my first actual
1:03:58run I spent probably three weeks inside
1:04:01that hotel just running of of game time
1:04:04like running out during the day grabbing
1:04:06a couple cans of food, running back in,
1:04:08closing the door, and then I I
1:04:10distinctly remember when the power went
1:04:12out and I was trapped. I was in the the
1:04:15lower floor of the hotel. I had started
1:04:16knocking out walls between the rooms to
1:04:19like expand my quote unquote base and um
1:04:22yeah and then the helicopter came and uh
1:04:25things went really bad.
1:04:27>> The helicopter event. You know what?
1:04:29That is a question I do have and maybe
1:04:32you can't necessarily answer it, but I'm
1:04:35just curious because a lot of people
1:04:36have always wondered. Why does the
1:04:39helicopter just fly by and follow you
1:04:42around?
1:04:43>> [laughter]
1:04:44>> Well, I can't give away the lore secret.
1:04:46That is that is a buried uh a buried
1:04:49thing, but there there is a story behind
1:04:51it, but I I can't say just yet. I want
1:04:53people to to to to find it for
1:04:55themselves someday.
1:04:56>> Is it something that's in the game right
1:04:58now, or is it going to be added in a
1:05:00future update? No, it's not in the game
1:05:03now, but but uh it it's it's planned at
1:05:06some point to to to find out the the
1:05:09mystery behind um uh the mystery behind
1:05:12uh who the helicop who the helicopter
1:05:14is, how it got through the no-fly zone
1:05:18um uh and and you know what it's doing.
1:05:23>> All good. All good. Well, if you're okay
1:05:25with it, it is getting pretty late. Do
1:05:27you want to relax in the building and we
1:05:28can kind of get into some serious Q&A
1:05:30stuff?
1:05:32>> Yeah, let's do it. Let me
1:05:34>> What room are you in right now? Are you
1:05:35on the second floor?
1:05:36>> Uh, yeah. I'm upstairs. There's actually
1:05:38an extra fanny pack over here if you
1:05:41>> want to fanny pack up.
1:05:42>> I You know what?
1:05:44>> I'm not normally a fanny pack person,
1:05:46but I'll take it for you.
1:05:48>> Here we go. Did I Maybe I picked it up.
1:05:51Oh, no.
1:05:54>> Yeah, I didn't see it in the cabinet.
1:05:56Thought I saw that one in there. I got
1:05:58one. I I f until I get an Alice pack or
1:06:01Alice gear. I'm all about the fanny
1:06:03packs.
1:06:04>> You're a supporter of the fanny pack.
1:06:06>> Oh yeah. Oh yeah.
1:06:08>> I'm just not much of a fanny pack
1:06:09person. I'm going to be honest. I'd
1:06:11rather just take a satchel or a bigger
1:06:13bag in my opinion. But I can understand
1:06:15why some might want the fanny pack
1:06:17because it is nice for organization.
1:06:19>> Here it is. Here. I did have it. I threw
1:06:21it in my backpack. There you go. There's
1:06:23fanny pack.
1:06:23>> All right. Just for you, I'll wear the
1:06:25fanny pack just for you.
1:06:28>> Luckily, it'll be hidden by your stylish
1:06:30leather coat. So,
1:06:31>> Oh, very true. All right, there we go.
1:06:32So, there's really no downside then.
1:06:35>> But yeah, we can we can There's this
1:06:37beautiful office over here.
1:06:39>> You want to chill in the office?
1:06:41>> Yeah, let me close these curtains.
1:06:44Someone's banging somewhere, but
1:06:47>> uh I took care of a couple zombies
1:06:49outside. I think we'll deal with
1:06:51whatever's left in the morning.
1:06:52>> Yeah.
1:06:54All right.
1:06:57I don't know if this chair I can
1:06:58necessarily rest on. It might be too
1:07:00close to the desk. So,
1:07:01>> I think it's too close to the desk.
1:07:02Yeah.
1:07:03>> All right. Well, you know what? I'll
1:07:04just sit next to it. Or I'll just stand.
1:07:06That's I'll stand because that's a power
1:07:07move right there. There we go. Um well,
1:07:11Sarin, thank you so much again. I want
1:07:14to say one more time, thank you for
1:07:16joining us tonight. Uh this is insane. A
1:07:19lot of people in chat have loved to see
1:07:21you come and join us in the community
1:07:23and and kind of chill with us for a
1:07:24little bit. Um, obviously I've seen your
1:07:27interview with Mr. Atomic Duck, but
1:07:30really quick for anybody who hasn't. Uh,
1:07:32do you want to give like a quick little
1:07:34backstory about some of the other games
1:07:36you've worked on because you've been in
1:07:37the games industry for a while, Sarin?
1:07:40>> Yeah, it's it's been a it's been
1:07:42[laughter] a bit. Um, and and again,
1:07:44thanks for reminding me. I'm I'm I'm on
1:07:46a on a live stream with a bunch of
1:07:48people watching and not just talking to
1:07:49you. Hi everybody again. Um yeah, so I
1:07:52my kind of I'll keep it relatively short
1:07:55so I don't ramble for too long, but um
1:07:58I've been in the industry I got my first
1:08:00professional job in the early 2000s. Um
1:08:03I actually started as a modder um back
1:08:06in Alaska. Uh I started making mods for
1:08:08Rainbow 6 and uh the sequel Rainbow 6
1:08:11Rogue Spear actually for my land group.
1:08:13we would get together and and play every
1:08:15Friday night and I started making mods
1:08:16for them and and then put them up on the
1:08:19on on the internets on the old file
1:08:21planet and stuff like that and they
1:08:22started getting popular and I so I got
1:08:25really into modding. I was spending a
1:08:26ton of time doing it and at a certain
1:08:28point my wife gave me an ultimatum to
1:08:30either get a job doing it or quit doing
1:08:32it and um yeah so decided to get or
1:08:36decided to try to get into games. It
1:08:38took me a while, but I eventually got
1:08:39hired uh at Redtorm Entertainment. Um
1:08:42started there working on um uh primarily
1:08:45focused on Ghost Recon. I was supposed
1:08:47to get to work on Rainbow Six, but uh
1:08:49but obviously Ghost Recon turned out to
1:08:51be awesome as well. Uh so was there for
1:08:54about five years on uh I think my first
1:08:56ship title was Island Thunder on the
1:08:58Xbox and then worked on through Gro,
1:09:01Gratu, I think Future Soldier and
1:09:03Predator were were my last Ghost Recon
1:09:05titles. Um, from there I went over to
1:09:08Bungie. Um, I was a design lead on Halo
1:09:10Reach. I got to work on that for a bit
1:09:12which was super cool. Um, went to Warner
1:09:15Brothers. Um, uh, again, you know,
1:09:18classic games industry. Got hired to
1:09:19work on MadMax. Worked on that for a
1:09:22little bit and then moved over to some
1:09:24DC stuff and and and and IP evaluations
1:09:27for kind of head Warner Brothers. Uh,
1:09:30and then spent some time working on what
1:09:32would eventually become uh, Shadows of
1:09:33Mordor. um uh working on Lord of the
1:09:37Rings. Got to go down and see Peter
1:09:38Jackson and and do a bunch of the the
1:09:40stuff around The Hobbit, which was, you
1:09:42know, obviously super cool for a
1:09:45little nerd like me to, you know, be be
1:09:48down at Weda and holding Sting and doing
1:09:50all that cool stuff. Um
1:09:52>> but uh yeah, from there I spun up my own
1:09:54company. I I did the the the indie route
1:09:56that most AAA uh folks do. Um I guess
1:10:00for me more more than once now. um um uh
1:10:04did a a Kickstarter uh had a game that
1:10:07we actually put the game out but didn't
1:10:08do as uh as good as as we hoped it
1:10:11would. Um so from there I moved on. I
1:10:14had been doing a bunch of um like
1:10:16experimental I I started writing tuto
1:10:18like kind of guides and tutorials on
1:10:20using Unreal Engine because um when I
1:10:22when I uh was running my studio and I
1:10:25always say my studio because it it was
1:10:27called surreal and that's like my gamer
1:10:29tag. So it's um it's weird for me to
1:10:31call it surreal at the same time. Um,
1:10:34but I've been doing like um uh switched
1:10:37over to Unreal and had been doing a
1:10:40bunch of stuff with like Unreal VR. I
1:10:42did this crazy VR exploratory thing
1:10:45where you were a blind person in VR uh
1:10:47which was kind of fun and um and from
1:10:50there uh Epic actually reached out to me
1:10:52and so I joined Epic uh as an evangelist
1:10:55and my role was primarily focused on
1:10:58helping indie devs using Unreal Engine.
1:11:00Um, so I I got to spend six years just
1:11:03like really immersed in the indie scene
1:11:05and and helping them both from a
1:11:07technical standpoint on on the Unreal
1:11:09side, but also on business development
1:11:10and um, you know, marketing and uh, you
1:11:13know, getting on the Epic Game Store and
1:11:15and dealing with, you know, just being
1:11:18really immersed in the in in the indie
1:11:19game space. And so in 2023, um, I got
1:11:23hit as part of the, you know, the great
1:11:25layoffs. Epic was on the cutting edge
1:11:27and started laying everybody off uh
1:11:29before everybody else in the industry
1:11:31thought it was cool. Um and um uh I was
1:11:34doing some consulting um on a a variety
1:11:37of different projects and one of them
1:11:38that came up was Indie and I' I'd been
1:11:40in touch with uh TIS since uh I first
1:11:43emailed them back in 2011 um and had
1:11:47been trading emails and uh had met with
1:11:49them a couple times at like game
1:11:50developers conference. And so I did some
1:11:52consulting and then eventually that kind
1:11:54of snowballed into this role. the first
1:11:57uh you know dedicated game designer to
1:11:59work on uh on uh project zomboid which
1:12:02is in my opinion so far like the you
1:12:05know the pinnacle of uh of uh you know
1:12:09game design work. It's it's amazing and
1:12:11very appreciative uh to the team and the
1:12:14community for giving me this
1:12:15opportunity.
1:12:17>> It sounds like you have been all over
1:12:19the place. You have been doing a ton
1:12:21Halo, Lord of the Rings, Epic Games,
1:12:24Warner Brothers. Is there a game you
1:12:26haven't worked on? [laughter]
1:12:28That's insane.
1:12:29>> Yeah. No. Well, I never worked on any
1:12:31Star Wars games. I I'll say that. I
1:12:33mean, I guess Fortnite had some Star
1:12:35Wars in it, but um
1:12:37>> Were you involved with Fortnite at all
1:12:38or
1:12:39>> Yeah, a little bit. I did um you know,
1:12:42uh some of the when Fortnite I I
1:12:45actually started the uh week that um uh
1:12:50Fortnite launched freeto play on across
1:12:53platform. So when the battle royale uh
1:12:56version launched, it was like uh late
1:12:582017 and so you know it obviously
1:13:02exploded onto the scene and uh for those
1:13:05first few months it was kind of all
1:13:06hands on deck at Epic. You didn't you
1:13:08didn't not get to work on something on
1:13:10Fortnite. Um so I did um outside of a
1:13:14lot a lot of what I did uh was like uh
1:13:17we we were actually running out of
1:13:19character concepts for like character
1:13:21skins and stuff. So, it was kind of like
1:13:23everybody put in your, you know,
1:13:24everybody in the company was like
1:13:26submitting character sheets to the
1:13:27character team. Um, uh, did a bit of
1:13:30that. And then I I helped with some like
1:13:32blueprint, um, blueprint optimization,
1:13:35which is the, uh, Unreal Engine
1:13:37scripting system, like optimization for
1:13:39like posters. Um, and I did a lot of uh
1:13:42work with the team uh giving feedback on
1:13:45um uh just kind of base shooter um uh um
1:13:50like core interactions
1:13:53uh clambering and uh and things like
1:13:56that. A lot of UX feedback like the
1:13:58menus how they flow and stuff like that.
1:14:00So I I would kind of rate my
1:14:02contribution as like more from a QA
1:14:05tester perspective. Um and uh and then
1:14:08also being a resource, you know, the
1:14:10Unreal Engine team was obviously a
1:14:12resource for the Fortnite team um uh
1:14:15where we could uh assist and do
1:14:17optimizations. Um although it was kind
1:14:19of it was that was one of the cool
1:14:20things about Epic is that was uh really
1:14:22a two-way street. So a lot of the
1:14:24optimizations that got rolled into
1:14:26Fortnite, we were able to roll back into
1:14:28um into Unreal Engine for, you know,
1:14:30everybody else uh that that the engine
1:14:32was distributed to.
1:14:35>> That I did. That's insane. I did not
1:14:37know that you worked for Fortnite for a
1:14:38little bit. I was a little bit joking at
1:14:40first, but damn, [laughter]
1:14:41that is incredible because Fortnite when
1:14:43that like blew up, I mean, that took
1:14:45over completely. That was the game for
1:14:47like one to two years straight. Just
1:14:50Fortnite, Fortnite, Fortnite. Um,
1:14:53unreal. But, uh, I want to quickly talk,
1:14:56you mentioned you had your own indie
1:14:58studio at one point. Can you kind of
1:15:00talk behind what made you decide I want
1:15:02to do this and and how that process all
1:15:05went?
1:15:07>> Yeah, it's it's a little crazy because
1:15:10like all I don't know I I look back on
1:15:12some of these stories and they sound
1:15:14made up. Um but I um I had left Warner
1:15:18Brothers in in late 11. Um and um I was
1:15:23again I was doing consulting. you know,
1:15:25it's kind of the default when you know,
1:15:27you you leave a company and you like you
1:15:29you go out on LinkedIn and you're like,
1:15:31um, [clears throat] you know, hey, I'm,
1:15:33you know, I'm looking for new
1:15:34opportunities. And usually the first
1:15:35ones that roll in or consulting, like,
1:15:37hey, can you come in for a short-term
1:15:38gig, help us, you know, do some design
1:15:40stuff here, do some design stuff there.
1:15:43Um uh so I had thrown up a web page and
1:15:47it was surreal.com
1:15:49because um that was going to be that
1:15:52that was the I created a company to do
1:15:54the consulting like do all the billing
1:15:56and stuff,
1:15:57>> right?
1:15:58>> Well, because that's my gamer tag. Um
1:16:01one of the Ghost Recon fan sites uh
1:16:05wrote a shout out to Rocky from
1:16:08ghostrecon.net. He wrote like an article
1:16:10and he was like, you know, Christian
1:16:11Allen just created this web page for
1:16:14Surrealin and that's his like gamer tag
1:16:16and it's also what I used on like the
1:16:17Ghost Recon forums and stuff. Like it is
1:16:20he making a new tactical shooter and I
1:16:23was like huh that's like really
1:16:25interesting. And then people started
1:16:26like messaging me like I heard you were
1:16:28making a new tactical shooter. Like that
1:16:29would be so cool. And right around that
1:16:32same time, this would have been like by
1:16:34January of 2012, that around that same
1:16:37time, Kickstarter became a thing. Um,
1:16:40and there was some game that had like
1:16:42kickstarted like $75,000.
1:16:44Um, uh, I want to say it was FTL. I'm
1:16:47not sure. But, um, and I was like, "Oh,
1:16:50well, you know, I had been I had
1:16:52pitched, you know, hardcore tactical
1:16:54shooters all around the block 10 times
1:16:56over, and I always got turned down. Um,
1:16:59nobody really wanted to at that time in
1:17:01in 2011 2012 tactile shooters were
1:17:04considered dead. You know, SOCOM was
1:17:06dead. Ghost Recon had moved into a new
1:17:09world. Uh, you know, at the time um, you
1:17:11know, Rainbow was was was pretty
1:17:14stagnant. This is before um, Siege,
1:17:16although I don't think you can define
1:17:18that as a tactile shooter much anymore.
1:17:20But, um, uh, there was a few titles out
1:17:23there, but but not a lot, and especially
1:17:25not in the CQB space. And so, um, I
1:17:28said, "Well, maybe I should see if, you
1:17:30know, this Kickstarter thing is is, uh,
1:17:33is viable, then, you know, maybe it
1:17:35means people actually are interested in
1:17:37it and publishers are just wrong." And,
1:17:40uh, so I took a stab at it and I did it.
1:17:42Um, the Kickstarter was successful. And
1:17:44I, um, at the same time, um, Sony had
1:17:48just closed Zipper Interactive, uh,
1:17:50which was the the main SOCOM developer.
1:17:52So, I was able to to bring in folks from
1:17:54Zipper and uh we built a game called
1:17:57Takedown. Um and um like I said, it
1:18:00didn't it didn't end up being the
1:18:02execution that I I would have liked with
1:18:04a bigger budget and and more time. And
1:18:06and I was also learning I learned a a
1:18:08lot of lessons in the difference between
1:18:10AAA game development and indie game
1:18:12development and how you have to be more
1:18:13agile. Um you know, my biggest mistake
1:18:16was probably treating it like a AAA
1:18:18development. And eventually we partnered
1:18:20with a publisher uh to kind of do you
1:18:22know more of the publishing side. Um but
1:18:25that was about the time I actually first
1:18:27emailed the Indie Stone and was like,
1:18:29"Hey, I'm doing this too. Like you guys
1:18:31have this really cool model. Like any
1:18:33tips or any tricks?" And and
1:18:35unfortunately I probably should have
1:18:36taken more of their advice. Maybe I'd
1:18:38have my um uh still be running my own
1:18:41studio. But um but it it all came
1:18:44together in the end. Here I sit. So that
1:18:48worked out.
1:18:49>> The stars align sometimes in mysterious
1:18:51ways, but I think everything works out
1:18:53for a reason. And I think the work
1:18:55you've been doing on Zomboid is so
1:18:56important. So I I appreciate you joining
1:18:59the team over there. And even if the the
1:19:01indie studio didn't go the way you
1:19:03wanted, I like you said, you probably
1:19:05learned a ton and you probably gained a
1:19:08lot of knowledge on the indie side and
1:19:10combining that with your AAA experience,
1:19:12you probably have a very in-depth view
1:19:15of the industry as a whole. And I I kind
1:19:17of want to touch on that really quickly
1:19:18because there's been a lot going on in
1:19:20the gaming space. You yourself said
1:19:22there's been a lot of layoffs recently.
1:19:24I mean, there's been some very large
1:19:25games shutting down. For example,
1:19:26Destiny 2 recently. Uh Bungie, they had
1:19:29a layoff. Like, there's so much
1:19:30happening. Xbox
1:19:33>> selling off many of their studios. What
1:19:36is your take on what's happening right
1:19:37now? What is your opinion on the state
1:19:39of the industry?
1:19:40Well, um, yeah, it it's it's definitely
1:19:43been a a big shift and, you know, the
1:19:46obviously, you know, the the the Xbox
1:19:49changes and and, uh, some of the stuff
1:19:51at at at, uh, at Bungie and, uh, are
1:19:54kind of fresh in our mind, but, you
1:19:56know, this has been going on for a
1:19:58couple years now. Uh, you know, I I
1:20:00joked earlier that Epic was on the
1:20:01cutting edge because they were, you
1:20:03know, one of the few, you know, first
1:20:04studios to to to have a a big big big
1:20:08layoff in in this kind of round. Um,
1:20:10some of this is, you know, cyclical,
1:20:13right? Like, you know, you know, I I I
1:20:16joke that like, you know, people are
1:20:18like, "Oh, Microsoft acquired a bunch of
1:20:19studios and then got rid of a bunch of
1:20:21studios." I'm like, "Again?" Like,
1:20:22"Okay, you mean like FASA? Um, uh, you
1:20:26know, Ensemble, like that's happened
1:20:28before." Um, but also, you know, a lot
1:20:31of what we're seeing is adjustment to,
1:20:35uh, COVID. um you know COVID when when
1:20:39when COVID hit and and and I mean the uh
1:20:42the influx of people into gaming during
1:20:45COVID you know so many more people were
1:20:47were staying home and playing games and
1:20:50it was kind of like uh you know huge
1:20:54influx of people huge influx of money
1:20:57huge influx of of um of of money both
1:21:01from players playing games but also from
1:21:04like VCs you if you, you know, in 2020,
1:21:092021, you could basically go out and say
1:21:11like, "Hey, I've got three, you know, I
1:21:14I remember jealously looking back on,
1:21:16you know, the story I just told about
1:21:172012 of like no not being able to ever
1:21:20raise money to make games." By 2021, it
1:21:22was like, "Hey, I've got three people
1:21:24and we're going to make an extraction
1:21:25shooter." Or actually, at the time,
1:21:27we're going to make a battle royale. It,
1:21:28you know, there's some there'd be some
1:21:30VC around the corner to be like, "Okay,
1:21:32here's $10 million. Go do it." Um
1:21:35because you know with 0% interest rates,
1:21:37you know, lenders could just or or VCs
1:21:40could basically I mean if I was them, if
1:21:43I was smart, I probably would have done
1:21:44this, right? Take out a 0% loan for $5
1:21:46million, turn around, flip it into a a
1:21:49VR, you know, thing or a video game. And
1:21:52if the $5 million turns into $50
1:21:54million, then you're golden. And if it
1:21:56turns into zero, well, oh well, declare
1:21:58bankruptcy and do it again. Um, you
1:22:00know, there's no skin out of their game.
1:22:02So all that led to you know an over
1:22:07saturation. It led to overhiring. It led
1:22:10to um you know a lot of people you know
1:22:12we saw everybody chasing battle royale
1:22:15and in you know 2018 2019 2020 and then
1:22:19you know oh hey there's this cool new
1:22:20game like called Tarov. Let's all do
1:22:22extraction shooters. You know here's
1:22:2410,000 extraction shooters. Um and the
1:22:26gamers you know gamers can only play one
1:22:29of those at a time. Um, and uh, you
1:22:32know, once you, you know, if you're a
1:22:34Tarov player, it's not like you're like,
1:22:36"Oh, let me go check out, you know, the,
1:22:38you know, new, you know, other
1:22:41extraction shooter, you're probably just
1:22:42still playing Tarov." You know,
1:22:44sometimes you you you might bounce
1:22:46around with with some games within a
1:22:48genre, but you generally don't, you
1:22:50know, play all of them. Um, and you
1:22:53know, I remember very distinctly in 2020
1:22:57being in a room with incredibly high
1:23:00profile, very smart video game people.
1:23:04And I guess technically I wouldn't have
1:23:05been in a room with them. This would
1:23:06have been over over Zoom. But um, but
1:23:10them saying like, okay, one of the
1:23:11important things we have to remember is
1:23:13is we can't treat this as a baseline. We
1:23:16need to know that, you know, this this
1:23:18huge influx that we've had is going to
1:23:19drop off at some point. you know once
1:23:21people start going back to school and
1:23:23going back to work and um you know if
1:23:25the economics of anything change like we
1:23:27can't you know uh treat this as the new
1:23:30normal well meanwhile three four years
1:23:33later those same very smart executive
1:23:36people were treating it as the new
1:23:38normal um and I think a lot of what
1:23:41we're seeing in the industry is because
1:23:43of that um you know um VC money has
1:23:47dried up uh in general so you can't just
1:23:50you know like Oh, this program this this
1:23:52game didn't work out. I didn't make any
1:23:53money. Okay, I'll just go back to the
1:23:54VCs and get another, you know, you know,
1:23:57infusion for my next project that I want
1:23:59to build. Um, so publishers are getting
1:24:02more um uh conservative in in looking uh
1:24:07at what they're doing. So, they're
1:24:08funding less titles. Um, companies
1:24:11aren't able to, you know, carry as many
1:24:13people. Um, you know, there was a mass
1:24:16hiring uh bonanza during um during COVID
1:24:20because it was like seen as like, oh
1:24:22well, you know, hey, we don't have to,
1:24:23it's free to hire people now. All we
1:24:25have to do is mail them a laptop and
1:24:27they, you know, they just start working.
1:24:29We don't have to like, you know, get
1:24:31them an office. We don't have to
1:24:32relocate them. We don't have to get them
1:24:34a desk. We can just hire, hire, hire,
1:24:35hire, hire. Um, and so you saw a big
1:24:38influx of like middle management, a lot
1:24:40of middle managers, a lot of like
1:24:42back-end folks. um you know, some of
1:24:45which turned out great and some of it
1:24:46just turned out, you know, um uh
1:24:50especially with like company
1:24:51acquisitions like at Epic, you know,
1:24:52they bought a bunch of different
1:24:54companies. So all of a sudden you had,
1:24:56you know, five different companies with
1:24:58five different sets of audio people and
1:24:59it's like, well, do you do we really
1:25:01need five different sets of audio people
1:25:03or five different sets of IT people or
1:25:05five different sets of HR people? Um, so
1:25:08I think all of those things combined,
1:25:11um, with, you know, a, you know, maybe
1:25:14more informed G player base that, you
1:25:17know, do they, you know, when when
1:25:19money's a little tighter in the world,
1:25:21you you might not just go out and, you
1:25:24know, [clears throat] buy a title
1:25:24because it looks cool. You might go,
1:25:26well, I'm going to wait and see the
1:25:27reviews. I'm going to wait and see if
1:25:29it, you know, there's enough player
1:25:30base. I'm going to wait and see that,
1:25:32you know, um, how things go. And so, um,
1:25:36all of those things combined, I think,
1:25:38uh, to lead to a lot of the contraction.
1:25:40I think that's what we're really in is a
1:25:42contraction, uh, in the industry in
1:25:44general. And, um, you know, uh, I think
1:25:48indies can be uniquely, um, positioned
1:25:51to roll with that kind of stuff. You
1:25:53know, they have less overhead. there's
1:25:54less, you know, craziness of like, well,
1:25:56if we don't ship this title, you know,
1:25:58this fiscal year, uh, and it make, you
1:26:01know, $500 million, then, you know,
1:26:04we're we're screwed. Um, and also, they
1:26:07tend to only be working on one project
1:26:09at a time. Whereas, you know, when
1:26:10you're at a AAA publisher, you know, it
1:26:13and their, you know, big RPG flames out,
1:26:16that could affect your team because all
1:26:18of a sudden you're like, "Okay, well, we
1:26:20were going to hire 20 people to help us
1:26:21with multiplayer." And they're like,
1:26:22"No, you're not." And you're like,
1:26:24"What? What? What? What? Why not?" Well,
1:26:26cuz this other game that was supposed to
1:26:27make money didn't make money. And guess
1:26:29what? You're also in next quarter
1:26:30because we need to make money next
1:26:32quarter. And you're like, "What? Wait,
1:26:33we were supposed to come out a year from
1:26:35now." Uh, well, not anymore. Um, so
1:26:37yeah, I I think indies can be uniquely
1:26:40um uh uniquely, I guess, set up to deal
1:26:45with that kind of stuff. And obviously
1:26:47are kind of more directly plugged into
1:26:48their audience than than than maybe some
1:26:50bigger companies are.
1:26:53So kind of just to quickly to sum up
1:26:56basically [laughter] your opinion, it's
1:26:57a lot of mismanagement from the
1:27:00higher-ups thinking COVID time is always
1:27:02going to happen, the economy and just
1:27:05simply more competition. It sounds like
1:27:08>> Yeah, I think and I think more
1:27:10competition I mean that the tools have
1:27:12been got getting easier and easier and
1:27:14easier to create good games. uh you know
1:27:16the baseline when someone starts with
1:27:18Unreal or Unity right now is already
1:27:19like you know where where when I started
1:27:22my indie studio on Unreal 3 um you know
1:27:26you didn't just open it up and already
1:27:27have a character running around and just
1:27:29go okay now I just start putting in
1:27:31assets and just start adjusting it. So
1:27:33um you know more people can make games
1:27:35which is great is great for the
1:27:36consumer. I mean it's one of the best
1:27:38times for the consumer right now. I
1:27:40mean, I don't know if if what your Steam
1:27:42library looks like, but mine is like
1:27:45>> full of games. Yeah.
1:27:47>> I've I've gotten a lot over the Steam
1:27:48summer sale. Uh
1:27:50>> yeah,
1:27:51>> and you were right though. Indies kind
1:27:52of have taken over in my opinion because
1:27:54quite frankly, the AAA market, there's
1:27:56nothing coming out that really excites
1:27:58me. It's like Call of Duty number 28.
1:28:01It's like I don't really care. But then
1:28:03indie games come out, there's always
1:28:04something fresh. They're always
1:28:07entertaining. And as a consumer, they're
1:28:09always like 5 to 10 bucks normally.
1:28:11They're not that expensive.
1:28:13>> Yeah. And and indie indie developers
1:28:15can, you know, they can and I hate to
1:28:18use this term because I I hear other
1:28:20people say it and and it I I cringe a
1:28:22little inside just knowing what it
1:28:23means, but you know, when when folks say
1:28:25indies can they can afford to take more
1:28:27risks. Um and and and and the the reason
1:28:32I hate the term is because you know
1:28:33afford because you know someone's
1:28:36usually spending their you know 401k or
1:28:38or you know um you know whatever they've
1:28:40saved up to to try to build their their
1:28:42dream passion project but they can be
1:28:45more nimble and and and rapidly put
1:28:47something else out. you know, uh, you
1:28:49know, an indie team of three people can
1:28:52put out a demo or put out um, uh, some
1:28:54assets and and try to gauge reaction and
1:28:57and you know, and a lot of times there's
1:28:59a ton of them and I've worked with a
1:29:01bunch of them at when I in my role at
1:29:03Epic of, you know, they put something
1:29:04out and it just quietly never gets any
1:29:07any, you know, any interest. Either it
1:29:10looked too much like something else or
1:29:11just people weren't interested in it.
1:29:13And then that indie team can go, well,
1:29:15do we want to just keep, you know,
1:29:16tooling along with this as a hobby
1:29:18project? Do we want to try something
1:29:19else? Do we want to try something
1:29:21different? Do we want to just say screw
1:29:22it, we don't want to do this? Where, you
1:29:24know, in the AAA space, you know, just
1:29:27to get to that point of like, we're
1:29:29going to release a demo. you you've
1:29:31already put 50 million bucks into it and
1:29:33you know shareholders aren't going to be
1:29:35like oh we put out this demo and it
1:29:37wasn't really wellreceived so we just
1:29:39decided to can it um and just eat the
1:29:41you know 50 mil we spent on it. That's
1:29:43not going to happen. They're going to
1:29:44have they have to they've already
1:29:46they've already committed at that point.
1:29:48Um, and so then that leaves to leads to
1:29:50being more safe of going like, "Oh,
1:29:52well, if we, you know, get this guy that
1:29:55worked on Halo from Bungie and pair him
1:29:57with this, you know, engineer that also
1:30:00worked on, you know, this feature on
1:30:03Lord of the Rings. We put them together
1:30:05and then we make a Tarov like game and
1:30:08then we license, you know, um, you know,
1:30:11I don't know, uh, some this this Disney
1:30:13movie and stick it all together. we
1:30:15stick all these things together, it'll
1:30:16make a a a guaranteed profit project and
1:30:19it'll just be safe and and it won't be
1:30:22uh you know anything scary. Um well then
1:30:25you get what you would expect out of
1:30:26getting out of just you know globbing
1:30:28those things together. You get a lot of
1:30:30um you know kind of metos um
1:30:33>> and that that lag time is so much as why
1:30:35you see you know you see you saw like a
1:30:38big run of of battle royale games you
1:30:41know I mean Fortnite included right? Um,
1:30:43you know, there was there's there was
1:30:44PUBG, there was um uh uh Radical
1:30:48Heights. Yeah, there was Radical
1:30:51Heights. There's just a ton of them. And
1:30:54then you saw the same thing with
1:30:55Extraction Shooters, I think. Well,
1:30:57there was looter shooters and then
1:30:58Extraction Shooters. Um where a
1:31:00publisher goes, "Oh, okay. Well, you
1:31:03know, I I looked at the numbers and you
1:31:04know, three of the top games are
1:31:06extraction shooters. So, if we make it
1:31:07an attraction shooter, it'll be safe."
1:31:09Um so, do that. Um, and then you might
1:31:12have a a development team that's like,
1:31:14uh, you know, what do you mean we have
1:31:16to change our looter shooter to an
1:31:18extraction shooter? That that wasn't
1:31:19what we were doing. Well, that's the
1:31:21thing you're doing now. Um, you know,
1:31:24kind of thing. So, um, all these things
1:31:26come together. And, um, I, you know, a
1:31:28lot of people blame AI. I don't I don't
1:31:30really I'm not I honestly I think some
1:31:35some maybe dumb uh people have been like
1:31:39I can just fire my entire staff and use
1:31:41AI. Um I I think they'll be hiring staff
1:31:44back soon.
1:31:46>> There was one company that did that
1:31:47recently. Now
1:31:48>> I I I heard I I think I heard a heard it
1:31:51wasn't a gaming company. I heard some
1:31:52like car company did that. They fired a
1:31:54bunch of people and then went oops. Um
1:31:58but uh you know I mean one of the things
1:31:59about AI on and I probably shouldn't
1:32:02even brought up AI. I know it's very
1:32:03controversial but if everybody if
1:32:05everybody uses the same generation team
1:32:07tools everybody's generated things that
1:32:09they generate all are going to look the
1:32:11same. They're all going to look like
1:32:12they came from that tool. Um and so um
1:32:16yeah I I I don't chalk up I know a lot
1:32:19of people blame uh the current industry
1:32:22wos on AI you know heavily. I don't
1:32:24think I think it's a it's it's a it's a
1:32:27factor, but it's not, you know, the big
1:32:29factor. Um I think what we're seeing is
1:32:32is really a kind of a uh an adjustment.
1:32:36You know, it's it's it's kind of like
1:32:37like the uh the housing market adjusted
1:32:40in um in 2008 after all the the subprime
1:32:43lending stuff went on. It's not that
1:32:45nobody wanted houses and nobody wanted
1:32:46to build houses. that just um all these
1:32:50things added up to you know a bubble
1:32:53that burst and and we're living through
1:32:54that right now from a on the industry
1:32:56side.
1:32:58>> Well, thank you Sarin for answering
1:33:00those questions. [laughter]
1:33:01>> It was very
1:33:02>> good at keeping keeping things uh
1:33:04concise. I guess
1:33:06>> no.
1:33:08I love it because it's just interesting
1:33:09to hear from your perspective because
1:33:11like all day we're chatting with, you
1:33:14know, ourselves here in the community
1:33:15and we're all for the most part gamers.
1:33:17There's really except for maybe a
1:33:20handful of people in the chat, uh we're
1:33:21all just we just play games. So like we
1:33:24don't necessarily hear this side of it.
1:33:26So it's interesting to get your take on
1:33:29that. Um, while I am getting ready to
1:33:32enjoy some breakfast, I did have one
1:33:34final question and then we can kind of
1:33:37get back out there. I think maybe
1:33:39getting building supplies to build up
1:33:40our base today would be useful.
1:33:42>> Yeah, definitely a hammer. Maybe some
1:33:44planks. Um, I'm going to grab some food.
1:33:46I do need to take a quick 5m minute
1:33:49break.
1:33:49>> Oh, you're good.
1:33:51You're good.
1:33:53>> All right, let me
1:33:54>> if you're in the kitchen right now, I'll
1:33:56wait for you in there and I'll get some
1:33:57breakfast going. All right, I'm going to
1:34:00make a bowl of food cuz my I'm a little
1:34:02sad here and I have a bowl.
1:34:05>> I'm going to have this muffin. I think I
1:34:06heard zombies outside of our base as
1:34:08well. So, I'll probably do like a little
1:34:09perimeter check, too.
1:34:10>> Oh, I've got hamburger buns. I can make
1:34:12a hamburger.
1:34:13>> Nice cheese.
1:34:16>> Oh, that's your smoker tray. I thought
1:34:18for a second you caught a cold. I was
1:34:19like, wait.
1:34:20>> Oh, did I just cough? Oh,
1:34:21>> you did on my end.
1:34:23>> They heard me.
1:34:24>> I did. Yeah, they're they're actually
1:34:25I'll deal with that. I'll deal with
1:34:26that. If you can make the hamburgers,
1:34:27I'll have a hamburger. [laughter] You
1:34:28know, it's it's noon. It's lunchtime.
1:34:33Oh, yeah. Here's a little guy. Hello.
1:34:36There we go. Goodbye. Oh, no. They're
1:34:39breaking our windows now.
1:34:41That was a very loud cough to have
1:34:43alerted all the zombies from outside the
1:34:46building, huh?
1:34:47>> Sorry about that.
1:34:48>> It's okay.
1:34:50Even this guy over here knows what's
1:34:53>> How loud did you cough?
1:34:58I was talking. I wasn't paying
1:34:59attention. I didn't even hear. All
1:35:02right.
1:35:05>> I'm trolling. I'm trolling. We'll We'll
1:35:06get rid of all the zombies. It's fine.
1:35:08It's not even that big of a deal. Just a
1:35:09hand.
1:35:10>> Well, I'm making you I'm making you the
1:35:11most brilliant uh cheese, corn, and
1:35:13marinara burger you've ever had.
1:35:17>> It's cheese, corn, and marinara sauce.
1:35:20>> Yeah. Yeah. With some garlic powder.
1:35:21It's going to It's going to If you got
1:35:22any sadness, it'll take care of it right
1:35:24away.
1:35:26>> It won't add to it.
1:35:28>> No, no, no. If you do it right,
1:35:30>> trust me, I'm an expert. I'm a cooking
1:35:32expert. I trust you.
1:35:36>> I'll take your word. I am actually
1:35:37apparently miserable. I don't know why.
1:35:39Throughout our time chat,
1:35:41>> we were sitting. It's cuz we're smokers
1:35:43and we're just sitting there ignoring
1:35:44our smoking. All right. There's a burger
1:35:46in the fridge for you. I'm gonna um I'm
1:35:49going to jump out for a couple minutes
1:35:50and I'll I'll be right back.
1:35:52>> No worries. No worries.
1:35:56>> He was not lying. He did just make a
1:35:58burger with corn and cheese on it.
1:36:04Okay.
1:36:06Does it need to be cooked? No. Okay.
1:36:08Well,
1:36:10I I trust him. Somehow this will in fact
1:36:13make me happy.
1:36:16the Sarillin special.
1:36:19I hope you guys are enjoying the stream
1:36:21so far, guys. I uh apologize obviously
1:36:24that I'm not able to necessarily keep up
1:36:27and and chat with all of you as much as
1:36:29I can or as much as I normally do. Um
1:36:35but
1:36:37it's no worries.
1:36:39I'm actually while he's gone. Oh, hello.
1:36:43Oh, it's just one little guy over there.
1:36:44Okay, never mind. While he's gone, I
1:36:47might go loot some of the nearby
1:36:48buildings.
1:36:51Um, just to see if I can get some
1:36:52decorations for us, [groaning]
1:36:55some things for the base, cuz I would
1:36:56really like to work on the base today.
1:37:03Come here. Wow, you are so slow, little
1:37:05buddy. It's okay. No need to be slow
1:37:08anymore.
1:37:10>> Let me actually go in here. Thank you so
1:37:12much, by the way, Silverfang, for the
1:37:14sub. I appreciate it, guys. I will shout
1:37:15out all alerts again at the end of the
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1:37:40curious. Oh,
1:37:43you know what? I will wear that. Thank
1:37:45you, game.
1:37:51And a can of boats. Wow, we are getting
1:37:53lucky right now. Thank you, game. That's
1:37:55so kind of you.
1:38:03Some of this stuff we can use for uh
1:38:05fires later. In fact, wait, this can
1:38:06actually just probably be
1:38:08gotten rid of if I have this now.
1:38:13lucky day.
1:38:15>> Following is free. Following is indeed
1:38:16free, guys. It is you wish to. Of
1:38:19course, I won't demand it, but it does
1:38:21mean a lot to me. Follow up.
1:38:23>> You should absolutely follow.
1:38:26I am demanding it. I'm back. By the way,
1:38:28>> you've all heard Sarin. Thank you. If
1:38:32you don't follow, guys, your
1:38:33playthroughs will be cursed now in
1:38:34Zomboid. I'm so sorry. Bad RNG. Every
1:38:38house will have an alarm. You'll forever
1:38:39have uh muscle strain if you don't
1:38:41follow Beaver.
1:38:42>> Oh god. For all constant muscle strain.
1:38:45I can't imagine a worse fate.
1:38:49>> I'm coming back to the house. I just
1:38:50found a golf bag and I got some extra
1:38:53food for us.
1:38:55>> Yeah, that's uh about equivalent to a
1:38:57duffel bag, right? I think golf bags are
1:38:59maybe a little
1:38:59>> I think so. I think it's a little bit
1:39:01heavier, but I think it's close. Yeah.
1:39:04>> Oh, I there are so many golf clubs
1:39:06inside. Would you like some golf clubs?
1:39:07Right.
1:39:08>> Yes.
1:39:09>> I'm going to put them on the table over
1:39:10here. Hold on. Let me put them uh I want
1:39:13to decorate our base. I would love to do
1:39:15like a little feast perhaps on night
1:39:17three in this dining room, but I need to
1:39:20find somewhere. Do you have anywhere you
1:39:21want to put the weapons? I guess have
1:39:23like a weapons cabinet.
1:39:24>> What about the living room has looks
1:39:27like it has a by the fireplace?
1:39:29>> By the fire pit?
1:39:30>> Yeah.
1:39:31>> Okay.
1:39:32>> I'm dumping off some of this food into
1:39:34the fridge. I just realized I was
1:39:35carrying way every like every bit of
1:39:37food I picked up.
1:39:38>> Yeah, I had a ton of food on me. Um,
1:39:42>> I'll keep the oats in my oats. Uh,
1:39:45actually, I'm going to keep a cereal on
1:39:47my back. Cereal is the magic food.
1:39:50>> Cereal is lovely. I love getting cereal
1:39:52in this game
1:39:54because my weight issues are resolved
1:39:56instantly. It's amazing.
1:39:58>> Yeah. Wash my bandage.
1:40:04Oh, take it out of my backpack to wash
1:40:06it. Oh, no. Use the right click menu.
1:40:08There we go.
1:40:10>> So, what I was thinking of
1:40:12>> going to sniff some correction fluid.
1:40:13Here we go.
1:40:14>> That's great. Makes me happy.
1:40:18Feel like it's cigarettes.
1:40:19>> Wait, can you actually sniff it? What?
1:40:22>> Yeah. Yeah. What?
1:40:23>> Um, we do not endorse sniffing
1:40:26correction fluid, but if you sniff
1:40:28correction fluid, don't do it too much
1:40:30though. You can do it. You get a little
1:40:32like happiness. I think it's happiness,
1:40:34but you get a little boost. But then if
1:40:36you do it too much, I think it'll make
1:40:37you sick.
1:40:39>> Wait. Okay. I never knew this. Was that
1:40:41actually a thing? Can I have some?
1:40:43>> Yeah. Here. Hold on.
1:40:46There's There's correction fluid. Try
1:40:48snip right. Pick it up. Try it.
1:40:50>> Oh my god. That's hilar [laughter]
1:40:56to start a correction fluid.
1:40:59>> If it helps, it helps. I'll take it. You
1:41:01know, [laughter]
1:41:02I didn't know this was a feature. This
1:41:04is great to know.
1:41:07Oh my gosh. Okay,
1:41:10people are saying I should have known
1:41:12this. I never thought that that would be
1:41:14a feature in this game, but I'm
1:41:15constantly wowed. Helps keep the sadness
1:41:18at bay until you find some cigarettes.
1:41:24>> Oh, actually, a chocolate bar would make
1:41:26me happy.
1:41:26>> Yeah. Yeah, that'll take it off. If I
1:41:29got mine down, made some salads. I'm
1:41:31going to grab one of those golf.
1:41:34>> Oh, yeah. They're all in this cabinet
1:41:36over here.
1:41:37>> Yeah, they break a lot. So, I'm going to
1:41:39grab two of them.
1:41:40>> Okay.
1:41:41>> They don't last too long against zombie
1:41:43skulls, but I am
1:41:46a long blunt is my my jam.
1:41:51I'll probably be staying with the
1:41:52wrench, but I will have a golf club in
1:41:54case I need it. My thinking for today
1:41:57was if we need cigarettes, we can go up
1:41:59to the building, the store right across
1:42:02the way and probably get cigarettes
1:42:04there. But then afterwards, maybe we hit
1:42:06up Mass GenFac for hammers and planks.
1:42:09>> Yes, I love it.
1:42:12>> Perfect.
1:42:12>> Uh, hold on one sec. Uh,
1:42:15some reason I took off my sheet sling.
1:42:19>> No worries.
1:42:21>> All right, here we go. Right.
1:42:26I did grab those.
1:42:29Oh, yeah. Okay. I grabbed the golf
1:42:31clubs. Sweet.
1:42:34Oh, my bad. All right. And off we go.
1:42:38Oh, don't worry about that. Don't worry
1:42:41about that.
1:42:42>> Beautiful.
1:42:44>> I I truly do not get into as many car
1:42:47crashes as my chat will have you
1:42:48believe. I promise.
1:42:58I actually kind of love that in Zomboid
1:43:00though now with the corpses piling up.
1:43:02If you don't clear them off the roadway,
1:43:03it like will wreck your vehicle. You
1:43:05flip your car.
1:43:11[groaning]
1:43:12>> Oh [ __ ] Oh, aprons.
1:43:20>> [groaning]
1:43:24>> Nice. Look at all those aprons. And
1:43:25they're black ones, too. I love the
1:43:27black ones.
1:43:28>> You like doing uh just for tailoring
1:43:31later down the road, you know, throwing
1:43:32some leather onto them.
1:43:35I guess we won't need them on this run.
1:43:39>> Likely won't be going insanely
1:43:41[laughter] far into this playthrough,
1:43:43but I mean, you never know. You never
1:43:44know. Oh, hold up.
1:43:48Yeah, we we could make the the we could
1:43:50make the uh the whole run just us um uh
1:43:54leveling up, tailoring. That would be
1:43:55really exciting for everybody to watch.
1:43:57>> I'm sure everybody will love the endless
1:43:59ripping of clothes
1:44:01and all that. I guess that's actually a
1:44:04good segue. I mean, there's been a
1:44:05conversation going around in my chat a
1:44:08little bit that some of the skills in
1:44:10this game are very, very grindy. Uh,
1:44:15with tailoring being a good example, I
1:44:17think first aid is another key one
1:44:19people point to. Um, mechanics,
1:44:23there's there's a couple different
1:44:24skills out there that are kind of pain
1:44:26points. Are you guys looking at that or
1:44:29in your eyes is that kind of like the
1:44:32experience like you are going to have to
1:44:35grind a little bit?
1:44:38>> Well, definitely we're looking at it. Uh
1:44:40I actually just recently did a pass
1:44:42through on tailoring to try to buff up
1:44:45some of the um uh the higherend build
1:44:48stuff from an EXP standpoint. Um uh that
1:44:51launch launched a little while ago to
1:44:53try to encourage you know ideally you
1:44:56want it to be either organic um you know
1:44:59i.e. maintenance right like uh I I hit
1:45:02things and they don't break and then I
1:45:03get better at it. Um uh or you know m
1:45:08something more that that uh you know
1:45:11cooking. Oh my god. Hold on.
1:45:14>> Baseball bat in a garbage bag, baby.
1:45:16Metal baseball bat in a garbage bag.
1:45:19Always check garbage bags. They're
1:45:20amazing.
1:45:21>> And fresh bread, too.
1:45:23>> Yeah, this uh the fridges in here are
1:45:25filled with delicious food. I haven't
1:45:26found cigarettes, though. Have you?
1:45:28>> No.
1:45:29>> Okay.
1:45:29>> Yeah.
1:45:30>> Um
1:45:30>> might not get lucky on that.
1:45:31>> Where was it? Oh, but there's beef
1:45:33jerky. There's some ginger. Um,
1:45:37uh, what was I saying? Oh, uh, yeah. So,
1:45:40um, you know, it it's funny cuz like
1:45:43cooking, if you just sat down and said,
1:45:45"I'm going to level cooking now, and I'm
1:45:47not going to leave this room until my
1:45:49cooking is leveled, that would be
1:45:51incredibly grindy. But since you tend to
1:45:55um, you know, along the way, you know,
1:45:57make salads and make sandwiches and do
1:45:59things, you tend to kind of naturally
1:46:02uh, amp that up. Um but you know another
1:46:05example in but but we don't want it to
1:46:09feel grindy. So like for example um one
1:46:12of the the the negatives that that I'd
1:46:14like to address at some point is like
1:46:16you know people are like I want to carve
1:46:18cool stuff. I want to carve spears and
1:46:20do cool stuff but for but the best way
1:46:21for me to do that is sit here and make a
1:46:24thousand spoons. Um like that's not the
1:46:28intended experience. Um, a lot of that
1:46:30is, you know, how the numbers work out
1:46:32and how things work out. Um, you know,
1:46:35uh, kind of more the meta. Um, but uh,
1:46:38for example, the introduction uh, of new
1:46:41uh, VHS tapes for a bunch of the skills
1:46:44to be able to get kind of past that
1:46:46level one hump uh, be doing loot runs,
1:46:49you know, going out and hitting VHS
1:46:51stores uh, as opposed to um, uh, you
1:46:55know, having to, you know, uh,
1:46:57disassemble, you know, a thousand
1:46:59watches or whatever. um we're it's it's
1:47:03it's a variety of different angles of
1:47:06attack um to address those and it's
1:47:08going to be a long-term thing. It's not
1:47:10going to be something that you know
1:47:11we're going to pull the trigger tomorrow
1:47:13and everybody's going to be like amazing
1:47:14all these like I want the skills to be
1:47:17like really long-term viable and you
1:47:20know take me a long time to really you
1:47:22know feel like I'm I'm I'm really you
1:47:25know a badass if I got all these things
1:47:27but I don't want to sit and grind them.
1:47:29Um,
1:47:30>> sir, I don't mean to interrupt you. I'm
1:47:31so sorry. We might want to leave. We
1:47:33might want to go.
1:47:34>> Oh. Oh, yeah.
1:47:35>> I I maybe made a bit of a mistake.
1:47:38>> Okay, I'm just going to I'm grabbing
1:47:39some ice cream.
1:47:41>> Hold on. No. Oh my god.
1:47:44>> No cigarettes.
1:47:45>> I went to go check this vehicle for
1:47:47cigarettes. I think there actually are
1:47:48cigarettes in there, too, that I didn't
1:47:50grab.
1:47:52>> If you can cover me for like 5 seconds,
1:47:54I can dive in there. I can grab them and
1:47:56we can go. All right, come out.
1:47:58>> All right. [clears throat]
1:48:01>> Oh, that'll do it.
1:48:06>> There were cigarettes. Perfect. All
1:48:07right, we're good. We can leave.
1:48:10>> We'll deal with the cleanup mission when
1:48:12we get home.
1:48:16That was on me. I'm sorry. I just I
1:48:18didn't see any in the building, so I was
1:48:19like, I'll check this car super quick.
1:48:23>> So, what always gets you in on
1:48:25>> Yeah. I'll just do this real quick.
1:48:29>> House before we go home.
1:48:31>> This will be like 5 seconds. Don't
1:48:33worry.
1:48:36>> In and out. And then all
1:48:37>> carry that. Oh, dude.
1:48:39>> I I didn't mean to do that.
1:48:42He wouldn't want it to waste our meat.
1:48:44All right. He wouldn't want the meat to
1:48:46be wasted.
1:48:48Where's his body?
1:48:49>> Over here.
1:48:51>> Oh my god. He ran far away. I have to
1:48:52take him. I'm so sorry, little buddy.
1:48:54Was it a bunny?
1:48:56>> It was a little rat.
1:48:57>> Oh,
1:48:58>> a little rat.
1:49:02>> Rat murder.
1:49:03>> We'll We'll feast upon him later. It's
1:49:05fine. He would want this. He would want
1:49:07this.
1:49:07>> Yes. He wants us to use all parts of
1:49:09him.
1:49:10>> Yes. The entire rat will be consumed.
1:49:12The skulls. The skull the skeleton
1:49:14included. Yes.
1:49:18All right. I'm going to take us over to
1:49:20Mass Gen Fac. We'll loot that real
1:49:23quick. I'm sure that'll go super quick.
1:49:24>> Oh, yeah. It'll be super easy.
1:49:26>> Yeah. And then uh we'll grab hammers.
1:49:28We'll get some planks, some saws, nails,
1:49:31and we can work on the base and keep
1:49:32chatting about stuff in a little bit.
1:49:35>> Going to turn on the AC. I'm getting
1:49:36It's getting a little hot.
1:49:37>> Oh, yeah. No worries. No worries. You
1:49:38can roll down a window, too, if you
1:49:40wanted.
1:49:42>> Don't do that. I forget to roll him back
1:49:44up again, and then bad things happen.
1:49:46>> Okay, [laughter]
1:49:47fair.
1:49:50Oh, we might have to stop at Spiffos on
1:49:51our way back. Maybe for a little spoof
1:49:53plush.
1:49:54>> Oh yeah,
1:49:54>> the value meal. The children's toy.
1:49:59>> You know what? I do actually have this
1:50:01is kind of a personal question. Well,
1:50:04not really a personal, but it's like a
1:50:05me question.
1:50:07Why does the teddy bear wave five
1:50:09encumbrance?
1:50:12>> That is a very very good question and I
1:50:15honestly that has bothered me a bit too.
1:50:18Um that that that's going to be on my
1:50:19list. Um, I fixed a few. Well, I don't
1:50:23want to say we or I. Again, everything
1:50:26is a wei at the end of these stages. If
1:50:28I say me, I mean we. But, um, yeah, we
1:50:30we hit a bunch of the incumbrance stuff.
1:50:33There was some there's still some
1:50:35outliers out there. Um, teddy bears is
1:50:39Whoa.
1:50:41Um, teddy bears are just have been low
1:50:44on the um on the the uh to-do list, but
1:50:49I think five is a little excessive. I
1:50:52think the idea was, you know, the bulk
1:50:54of them cuz it is a pretty large teddy
1:50:56bear.
1:50:57>> Um, but
1:50:58>> well, it's Tuk Bear. No, it's Tuk Bear.
1:51:01>> Yeah. Yeah. But the other u the other
1:51:04plushies are quite a bit lighter.
1:51:08Sweet. I can understand maybe a little
1:51:11bit more than one, like maybe two
1:51:13encumbrance, cuz it is of course the
1:51:14friendliest, huggliest bear in the world
1:51:17according to the advertisement. But
1:51:19>> I
1:51:20>> I I will admit if if you ever see a
1:51:22screenshot of one one of my bases, all
1:51:24my beds are always full of stuffed
1:51:27animals cuz I just I love the idea of
1:51:29like the survivor that like just out
1:51:32crushing skulls and then all he wants to
1:51:33do is just like sleep with in a little
1:51:36circle of stuffed animals around him. I
1:51:38don't know. I just It's a little kid in
1:51:40me. I always do it.
1:51:41>> I love decorating my base with plushies.
1:51:44Like one of my favorite aspects. Uh
1:51:46decorating my base in general. Just
1:51:47whatever I can get my hands on.
1:51:49Sometimes gnomes, the flamingos,
1:51:52posters, anything at all.
1:51:56In my recent playthrough I'm doing, I
1:51:58just found it.
1:51:59>> I just cuz I was looking for it, too. I
1:52:01was like, where the where the hell is
1:52:02it? Um in the recent playthrough I'm
1:52:05doing right now, I'm doing 100%
1:52:06sprinters. The house that I'm basing in
1:52:08right next to there is a basement and
1:52:13whoever lived there was a painter and
1:52:14their basement is just full of rare
1:52:17insane looking paintings and I've just
1:52:20slowly been moving them all over and
1:52:22over.
1:52:23>> Nice.
1:52:26>> Yeah, I love using the uh the new 3D um
1:52:30the 3D adjustment tool. Oh, there's
1:52:32that's where she is. She's up here up on
1:52:34the
1:52:34>> Oh, have you been looking for the
1:52:35growling zomb? Yeah, I was like, where
1:52:38are they?
1:52:40>> All right, now she's dead.
1:52:41>> Perfect.
1:52:42>> Um
1:52:45Oh, someone's still banging on a window
1:52:46somewhere.
1:52:48Oh, and they just broke. Wait. Oh, in
1:52:51the break room.
1:52:52>> Oh, dear.
1:52:54>> Oh, THREE OF THEM.
1:52:57>> I'M I'm coming back. I'm coming back.
1:52:58Hold on.
1:53:00>> Are you okay?
1:53:03>> I'm bitten.
1:53:04>> No.
1:53:07Are you actually
1:53:09>> Of course I am. That's
1:53:11[groaning]
1:53:13>> I went for the window kill and there was
1:53:15three more right behind him and he came
1:53:18they all came in on top of me. I I was
1:53:21too ambitious. Should have fallen back.
1:53:24Uh oh, another one.
1:53:32>> Oh my gosh. Well, I went in for the
1:53:34window kill and there was Well, there
1:53:37was obviously like seven of them and I
1:53:39was not expecting seven.
1:53:42>> Can I uh medical check you?
1:53:45>> Sure.
1:53:45>> Okay.
1:53:48Oh, I can't. Hold on. I'm uh I see the
1:53:51trade, but I don't see a medical check
1:53:53option actually.
1:53:55>> Oh,
1:53:56>> you can medical check me.
1:53:58>> Yeah.
1:53:59>> Okay.
1:54:01I was going to say a moment ago, I was
1:54:03so excited because I found us a carton
1:54:04of nails and so many planks and all
1:54:06this.
1:54:08Um,
1:54:12well, darn
1:54:14darn.
1:54:14>> Well, I should last a couple days. I
1:54:16>> You'll be fine for another two days.
1:54:17You'll be okay. You'll be fine.
1:54:19>> Yeah. And maybe, you know, maybe this
1:54:20bite isn't the one. Maybe this one I'm
1:54:24I'm like immune, right? Like
1:54:25[clears throat]
1:54:26>> you could be the first Zomboid survivor
1:54:27that's actually fully immune.
1:54:29>> Yeah. Exactly. Yeah, that's Let's say
1:54:31that. Let's go with that. I'm not It's
1:54:33fine. It's fine.
1:54:35>> It's Everything's fine. All right.
1:54:36There's no way you would transform into
1:54:38a disgusting monster.
1:54:43>> Uh I think the only thing we need right
1:54:45now is planks. Quite frankly, I've got a
1:54:48hammer. I've got some saws for us.
1:54:52We can load up the back of the car
1:54:55and get back to the house.
1:54:57>> I do. I have a whole carton of nails.
1:55:00>> That's why it took me a minute to get
1:55:01over to you cuz I I was holding on to
1:55:03this giant [laughter] box.
1:55:07I am nearly a max
1:55:10inventory space right now. I'm nearly at
1:55:1250. So, I've got to go offload all this.
1:55:14>> Yeah, I'm just loading up on planks
1:55:16here.
1:55:16>> Okay.
1:55:19Okay. Just for the audience, I normally
1:55:20don't get this bit this fast in a run.
1:55:24Um
1:55:25Yeah. God,
1:55:27>> how how often do you play Zomboid?
1:55:31What's like your best run ever, would
1:55:33you say?
1:55:35>> Um, without dying.
1:55:37>> Yeah.
1:55:37>> Um,
1:55:38>> like most survival time.
1:55:42>> Well, the the the best one I ever had, I
1:55:45actually um uh I did do a custom spawn
1:55:49point. I I it was on B41. I started at
1:55:53the um uh what's it called? Uh Busy It
1:55:58actually might be called Busy Beaver.
1:56:00The the the campground uh
1:56:02>> Camp Busy Beaver.
1:56:04>> Yeah. Yeah. And I I literally retired
1:56:07that character. I built a bridge out to
1:56:10the island and um and and lived on it.
1:56:14Um, so I did like basically a a not a w
1:56:17it wasn't really a wilderness run
1:56:18because there was stuff around there and
1:56:20I did have to make some runs into town,
1:56:22but I ran it and that was my goal for
1:56:24that run was to build a self- sustaining
1:56:27uh island and made it all the way
1:56:29through the winter and spring. Um, and
1:56:31uh and then retired that character uh in
1:56:34the spring once I had lived through the
1:56:35summer uh using trapping and foraging.
1:56:38Um, so that was probably my longest run.
1:56:41um you know in in build 42 I I tend to
1:56:45run I'll I'll run the unstable beta
1:56:47until um the next build is coming out.
1:56:50Um so actually that screenshot uh that
1:56:53went out in the update that's actually
1:56:54my my 419 run. Um I decided to do
1:56:58Irvington and uh started uh uh conquered
1:57:03Irvington basically and um and I'll
1:57:05retire it once uh 420 comes out. Um and
1:57:09and then then I'll get to do a really
1:57:11nice long. So [groaning]
1:57:13>> that is sick actually that you so you
1:57:15basically made it like a full year in
1:57:17zombo.
1:57:19>> Yeah, [screaming]
1:57:20>> that is not an easy feat because I know
1:57:23a lot of people who have not been able
1:57:25to do that. Uh and technically not even
1:57:28myself. I my official PB is 7 months 29
1:57:31days and unofficially
1:57:34it's about 9 months.
1:57:37And I say unofficially because I moved
1:57:39it into a multiplayer server. I kept
1:57:41that character and all their stats in
1:57:42the world
1:57:44and then, you know, continued on with
1:57:47that.
1:57:49>> Nice.
1:57:50>> Oh, are you serious? Oh my. All right,
1:57:53you here. I'll give you the car key. I'm
1:57:55going to go in there. I We can't leave
1:57:56without a spill plush. I just dropped it
1:57:58on the ground right there.
1:58:00>> Got it.
1:58:00>> You keep the car running. I'm going to
1:58:02go in for the [screaming] spill plush.
1:58:21Okay,
1:58:24I got to lower them out a little bit.
1:58:28>> I did not see a little spoil plush
1:58:30though.
1:58:38>> [groaning]
1:58:44>> Oh, they are in there. Wow. Okay, it
1:58:47might be lunchtime for the Zomboids. I'm
1:58:49going to be honest. I don't know if
1:58:50we're getting in there.
1:58:51>> Oh, don't go around the corner. There's
1:58:53like
1:58:54>> Are there more?
1:58:55>> That left corner. There's like 30 of
1:58:56them over there.
1:58:57>> Oh my god.
1:59:01Uh, what do you think? Think we leave or
1:59:03do we take this?
1:59:05>> I think we roll out.
1:59:08>> If you say so.
1:59:09>> If you want to try to take it, we can,
1:59:10but
1:59:11>> I mean, it's a little dicey.
1:59:14>> I'm personally ride or die, but I also
1:59:17want to make sure we don't get eaten. Of
1:59:19course,
1:59:21I don't think I can say Oh, you know
1:59:22what? Yeah. No, I never mind. I'm not
1:59:23ride or die. I'm not ride or die. I'm
1:59:25not Never mind.
1:59:27>> Uh, if you can just back up to the
1:59:28street over here by the easy mark,
1:59:30that'll be
1:59:32Oh, the zippy mart. Excuse me.
1:59:35Perfect. Thank you. You can I was so
1:59:39ready to dive in there and then I saw
1:59:40that group coming around the C. I was
1:59:42like, I'm good, actually. Never mind.
1:59:44>> All right. Where do we want to head?
1:59:46>> Uh, we can either go back or we can keep
1:59:48looting.
1:59:50>> Uh, let's head back. I'm like super, for
1:59:53some reason, super stressed out. Maybe
1:59:55because I'm bitten, but
1:59:57>> surely not. No, there's no way.
2:00:00That's me. Just in case we want to come
2:00:03back to Spiffo, like
2:00:04>> of course out there. Oh, is that a Oh,
2:00:08there's pipe wrench laying on the ground
2:00:09over there. We Well, I'm never going to
2:00:13get to plum sinks because I'm going to
2:00:15go live with the zeds. But
2:00:16>> no, well, you said you're going to be
2:00:17immune, so you're fine.
2:00:18>> Oh, right. Yes. Yeah, I forgot.
2:00:21>> So, you can come back and get that.
2:00:22Yeah.
2:00:27>> Turn.
2:00:30Oh,
2:00:31okay. This cuts. No, that Yeah, I took a
2:00:34wrong turn. Okay.
2:00:35>> No, I think you're I think you're going
2:00:36the right way. You're fine.
2:00:41>> Yeah, this will take us over.
2:00:47Check my map.
2:00:52>> Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah.
2:00:54>> Yeah. If you just keep on this main
2:00:56road, we'll get there.
2:00:57>> Yeah. Okay. So,
2:01:03I was going to hold off on asking
2:01:05questions from the audience until the
2:01:08very end, but I do have a question from
2:01:11Chris that I think we've already
2:01:12answered, but I just want to bring it
2:01:13up. Seeing the Spiffo restaurant so many
2:01:16times, do Spiffos always guarantee
2:01:18alarmed
2:01:20buildings? Essentially, the answer is
2:01:22no. Yeah,
2:01:23>> correct. Yeah.
2:01:24>> Okay. Yeah. Everything is random on the
2:01:27map. That's kind of the ideology behind
2:01:30this game. No.
2:01:31>> Yeah, pretty much. Um, uh, I mean, like
2:01:34game mode settings control, um, I mean,
2:01:39obviously, like in Extinction, they're
2:01:41cranked up, so there's more of them,
2:01:43more chances that each house will have a
2:01:46uh, alarm. Uh but um I don't believe and
2:01:50I could be wrong uh because Zomboid is
2:01:55so complex um you know there there could
2:01:58be an increase of you know possibility
2:02:00that commercial uh buildings might have
2:02:03a higher chance but I don't believe so.
2:02:04I believe it's it's random uh a random
2:02:08percentage of buildings based on the
2:02:09sandbox settings. Um yeah.
2:02:14>> All right. Well, I've got so many nails
2:02:17right here ready for all of us. This is
2:02:19going to be more nails than we ever
2:02:21need.
2:02:22>> Grab I threw my pl I was I was wondering
2:02:25why I was fighting so slow and then I
2:02:26realized I didn't actually drop those
2:02:28planks. So, I threw them in the back
2:02:30seat. Oh, there's even more beer in the
2:02:32back seat. This guy whoever had this car
2:02:35was had some serious life issues.
2:02:38>> They were booze cruising. We can't I
2:02:40mean, in the zombies, it's fine. They're
2:02:42allowed to do that.
2:02:45Oh, I think there's a little guy coming
2:02:47over. I can deal with the little guys if
2:02:49uh you want to just unload the car. I do
2:02:52have a flashlight as well, which I think
2:02:54is great. I love the new darkness added
2:02:56in Build 42 because nighttime now
2:02:58actually feels like a proper threat.
2:03:01Especially if you go the absolute
2:03:02darkest mode without cat eyes, too. It's
2:03:06like you can't see a thing. On
2:03:07extinction mode, it can be terrifying to
2:03:10be out stuck in the dark.
2:03:13Yeah, the lighting the lighting and and
2:03:15especially the the in the exterior
2:03:18lighting with with the darkness, the
2:03:20interior lighting with how it affects
2:03:22like how to conquer big buildings. And
2:03:24then that combined with the um uh how do
2:03:28I say it? The um the randomized door
2:03:31openings. Like people would think that
2:03:33would be just such a minor little thing
2:03:35of like interior doors are randomly
2:03:36closed or uncloed. But for me at least,
2:03:39going from build 41 to that really
2:03:42affects how you're clearing interior
2:03:45buildings and then after the power is
2:03:46going out when you're having to clear a
2:03:48big complex and you know that you know
2:03:51some doors are open and some doors and
2:03:53are thing and it's dark and you don't
2:03:55have the you know the angled flashlight
2:03:57yet. So you're like well do I want to
2:03:58carry an extra bag full of loot or do I
2:04:00want to keep put my flashlight into my
2:04:02primary? like all those things come
2:04:04together like the It's funny cuz to me
2:04:06I'm just working on a a more advanced
2:04:09tactical shooter than all any of the
2:04:11other tactical shooters that I worked on
2:04:13in the past because of those kind of
2:04:15tactical choices that you have to make.
2:04:16It's like so cool.
2:04:20>> Did you happen to have those planks
2:04:22still?
2:04:24>> Yes, I got five of them.
2:04:26>> Okay, we can kind of spread them across
2:04:30the uh the different windows we have. I
2:04:32just put three on the front window.
2:04:35>> Oh, did you want a cheeseburger, too? I
2:04:36was able to get these out of Spiffos
2:04:38before everything went up.
2:04:40>> Yeah, nice.
2:04:42>> Yeah, we can both enjoy a nice spiffo
2:04:44burger together.
2:04:47>> Throw some extra I got some extra food
2:04:50I'll throw in here.
2:04:55I'm going to add some ranch dressing cuz
2:04:59I am super depressed.
2:05:02For some, we're using marinara, maybe
2:05:05some garlic powder, and some cabbage.
2:05:07That sounds good. A cabbage burger.
2:05:10>> H cabbage.
2:05:12>> Yeah. Yeah. Love some cabbage on my
2:05:14burger.
2:05:16>> Uh, you know what? The reason why we're
2:05:17probably sad is smoker trait. So, if you
2:05:19want, I have a cigarette pack.
2:05:21>> Oh, that'd be great.
2:05:23>> Yeah. Here, let me uh take out a
2:05:24cigarette. I'll drop it to you.
2:05:28Or I could trade it with you, too. H the
2:05:32trading system. What What is the
2:05:34thinking behind the trading system?
2:05:36Because
2:05:37it it seems kind of almost out of place
2:05:40at times, almost like a leftover from
2:05:42maybe an older build. No.
2:05:45>> Yeah. I mean, a lot of the the kind of
2:05:48multiplayer
2:05:50um oriented interaction systems um uh
2:05:54they've been kind of long running and
2:05:55and um uh long burning. Um I haven't
2:05:59personally focused on a lot of them. Um
2:06:01you know some of the other team members
2:06:02have handled stuff like the safe house
2:06:04system. Um some of the various different
2:06:07faction system. It's always a challenge
2:06:09in multiplayer because you know it would
2:06:12be easier if everybody just like you
2:06:14know role played uh all the time and
2:06:16just stating character and everything.
2:06:18Um, but a lot of systems like that are
2:06:21thought about from a, you know, you
2:06:23know, especially multiplayer, you have
2:06:25to take into account some people might
2:06:26have VoIP, some people might not have
2:06:28voice interaction, some people might
2:06:30speak different languages. Um, you know,
2:06:32so how do they communicate and indicate
2:06:34to each other? That's where a lot of
2:06:36those systems kind of come from. you
2:06:37know, if we can't can't talk to each
2:06:39other because neither of us have
2:06:41microphones, like I can do a trade
2:06:42initiation to you um to be like, "Hey,
2:06:46I'm actually going to, you know, trade
2:06:47something with you." Uh as opposed to
2:06:50maybe doing random dances while you're
2:06:52dropping things on the ground or
2:06:53something like that
2:06:54>> when you put it like that. No, that
2:06:56makes a lot of sense. That actually is
2:06:57uh good context for some of that stuff.
2:07:01That's really good context.
2:07:02>> Actually, eat my amazing burger. Okay.
2:07:05Smoked a cigarette
2:07:06>> here. Let me enjoy mine, too. There we
2:07:09go. Delicious burgers. Yeah.
2:07:13Cradling the burger, too. The way we
2:07:15hold it. Look at that.
2:07:21My character is still freaking out,
2:07:23though, because of the fear of blood. We
2:07:24did a lot of fighting today.
2:07:26>> Finish my cigarette here.
2:07:28>> Well, while you're finishing that, uh,
2:07:30we can kind of get back into some
2:07:31interview stuff if you're okay with
2:07:32that. Really quickly, a followup from
2:07:34what we were discussing on day one. Uh,
2:07:38if you had someone who said they really
2:07:41wanted to get into gamedev or they
2:07:43wanted to make their own indie game,
2:07:45what is some of the the best tips you
2:07:48would give them for just starting out?
2:07:50You know what's hilarious about that is
2:07:53uh that question is in I think in 2013
2:07:5820 I don't know somewhere back in the
2:08:00early 2010s I actually wrote an article
2:08:02and apparently it it might still be up
2:08:04but it was like 10 steps to be to start
2:08:07being an indie dev and I wrote this
2:08:09article uh on Gamma Sutra which I think
2:08:12is now like game developer something
2:08:13like that. Um, but it was essentially um
2:08:17go download an engine, Unreal or or
2:08:20Unity. Um, I'm a little partial to
2:08:22Unreal myself. That's just because
2:08:24that's what what I'm most experienced
2:08:25in. Um, obviously there's GDO, there's
2:08:29Game Maker. Um, you know, there's a
2:08:30bunch of options out there. Um, grab
2:08:33some some basic uh asset packs um that
2:08:36you can start playing with and start
2:08:39building a chunk of what you, you know,
2:08:42want to start doing. um the you know all
2:08:45the materials out there are are there
2:08:48for the picking you know YouTube uh
2:08:50tutorials there's Udemy classes there's
2:08:52asset packs um now that doesn't mean
2:08:55that's what you're going to ship with um
2:08:58you know you know if you just build
2:08:59everything out of you know plugandplay
2:09:01modules that nobody's going to care
2:09:03about that because it's going to look
2:09:04like a collection of plugandplay
2:09:06modules. Um, but it'll start teaching
2:09:09you. Um, oh, and then one of the big
2:09:12steps was get a backup system, get
2:09:14source control, you know, whether it be
2:09:16git or, you know, whatever, back up your
2:09:18work. Um, start understanding, um, uh,
2:09:22you know, what source control is and and
2:09:24because it can be really effective even
2:09:25if you're a oneperson team, you know,
2:09:28have being able to roll back stuff and
2:09:29things like that. And then just start
2:09:32iterating that idea. Um, start small if
2:09:35you can. Um, one of the best exercises I
2:09:38ever did, and I actually used it as a
2:09:40demo uh when I was at Epic, is I built
2:09:43chess in Unreal Engine. Um, and I I did
2:09:46it using the um uh there was a a set of
2:09:49marketplace assets from this game called
2:09:50Paragon. Um, it was a mobile game that
2:09:53that Epic had made and and the game got
2:09:55kind of uh canned, but the they released
2:09:58all the characters for free on the
2:09:59Unreal Engine Marketplace. And so I
2:10:02built a chess game using these
2:10:04characters and um you know as a training
2:10:08tool and a learning tool like if you're
2:10:10like I'm gonna build a chess game and
2:10:13really the idea is any kind of game that
2:10:15has an established rule set where you're
2:10:17kind of following that as a design
2:10:19document and being like well how can I
2:10:21implement that? How you know should I
2:10:23imp interact with the chess pieces using
2:10:25a mouse and keyboard? How's that going
2:10:27to work on a controller? Um how should I
2:10:29do the UI? like should I do save games?
2:10:32You know, how do I set up all that? Like
2:10:34that. This is why I tell students this a
2:10:36lot. Like instead of like here's my
2:10:38Magnum Opus game that I always wanted to
2:10:40make, uh, you know, and I'm going to
2:10:42make a, you know, MMO with, you know,
2:10:45RPG and RTS elements and then you get
2:10:48overwhelmed and quit. You know, start on
2:10:50something small like that or an element
2:10:53of your game that uh that that that you
2:10:56want to build. you know, if you want to
2:10:57make a, you know, you know, platformer,
2:11:00like just just focus on, you know, a
2:11:02character platforming through the
2:11:03environment, that kind of stuff. Um, and
2:11:06just start doing it. That that is really
2:11:08the best way uh to do it. And then the
2:11:10other thing I would really uh encourage
2:11:13people to do is modding. Um, it's it's
2:11:15how I got into the industry. It builds
2:11:17portfolios. It's one of the reasons I
2:11:19got hired at Project Zomboid because I I
2:11:21made mods. I actually just started
2:11:23making mods for PZ uh both for myself
2:11:25and to have like a creative outlet when
2:11:27I was still working at Epic and I was
2:11:29like um I don't want to work on Unreal
2:11:31on my off time. Um I want to be creative
2:11:34somewhere else. And so I did a pillow
2:11:36mod in Project Zomboy and I did spawn
2:11:38mod and and a few others uh like the
2:11:40skyscraper uh one of the skyscraper
2:11:42challenges. Um but um but yeah, modding,
2:11:46the great thing about modding um and
2:11:48this doesn't necessarily apply to
2:11:50Project Zomboid, but modding a fully
2:11:52released title, say something like
2:11:54Fallout um or even older games, you
2:11:56know, uh you know, HalfLife or something
2:11:59that has really established modding
2:12:01scene and a a very um stable codebase to
2:12:05be able to work from. Um you're working
2:12:07within that development environment. You
2:12:09know, one of the challenges with
2:12:10starting with someone something like
2:12:12Unreal and and and uh Unity is that you
2:12:15can kind of go anywhere and do anything.
2:12:17And that can often get you in trouble,
2:12:19you know, when you're early on of like,
2:12:21oh, I added, you know, 10,000 characters
2:12:23to my game and now it runs at one frames
2:12:26a second. What do I how do I fix that?
2:12:27Whereas if you're modding within a
2:12:29already established game then um you
2:12:32know say for example Fallout 4 you're
2:12:34you're working within that framework and
2:12:36you're also learning to deal with things
2:12:38like you know for example Fallout 4
2:12:41you're learning to deal with you know
2:12:42little quirks and things in the pipeline
2:12:45and how it works and and what the engine
2:12:47likes and what the engine doesn't like.
2:12:49Um so yeah that that's that's that's
2:12:52kind of how I would I would encourage
2:12:54folks, you know, get out there and start
2:12:55creating content. You're going to learn
2:12:57a lot about the process. Hopefully,
2:12:59you're going to build a portfolio and
2:13:00you're going to want to learn what you
2:13:01like and don't like. Um, you know,
2:13:03there's there's a reason we have
2:13:05discipline. You know, we have artists
2:13:06and designers and uh engineers because,
2:13:09you know, people tend to be good at at
2:13:11different things and talents in some
2:13:13things and also people, you know, what
2:13:15they like and don't like to do.
2:13:17>> That's awesome. I appreciate all of that
2:13:19insight on the developer side. Uh, I
2:13:23want to jump in though and kind of talk
2:13:25specifically now about Zomboid and the
2:13:28upcoming stable release because you
2:13:31guys, like you mentioned previously, the
2:13:33blog post went out.
2:13:34>> Uh, it's coming out soon. We're going to
2:13:37be getting stable finally after two
2:13:39years. Um, and I have to say,
2:13:43you joined Zomboid in February of this
2:13:46year. Is that correct? Do I have the
2:13:48timeline right? uh September of last
2:13:50year is when I officially like my day
2:13:52one. Yeah.
2:13:53>> Okay. So, you've been around Zomboid for
2:13:57a while as a player and a mod developer,
2:14:00but you've only just recently joined the
2:14:03development team.
2:14:04>> Correct.
2:14:06>> How has the development process changed
2:14:09on Build 42 with your arrival? Has it
2:14:11changed at all or is it still kind of
2:14:13the same, would you say?
2:14:15Um, I would say it's definitely changed
2:14:18and and that is one of the things that
2:14:20that the Indie Stone identified as a
2:14:22need. You know, one of the one of the
2:14:24reasons um that I I nailed the job was
2:14:28that um uh they wanted to make some
2:14:31changes and and some of that is
2:14:33specifically around uh the the game
2:14:36design side. Um, you know, when you
2:14:38have, you know, 20 folks sitting in a in
2:14:42a in a in a in a call or on a Slack
2:14:44thread, you know, talking about, well,
2:14:47you know, should, you know, uh,
2:14:50barricade be reimplemented into, you
2:14:53know, the right click menu and if so,
2:14:55how should it be done or, you know,
2:14:57where should it be? And, you know, it it
2:14:59can be hard where, you know, you might
2:15:01have 15 people that are like, yes, and
2:15:03you have 15 other people that are like,
2:15:04no. Um, so a lot of times, you know,
2:15:08just having someone whose role it is and
2:15:10job it is to go, "Yes, we're going to do
2:15:12it. This is how we're going to do it.
2:15:15And if it doesn't turn out, then yeah,
2:15:17it's my bad. I'm sorry." Um,
2:15:20>> so in a way, you've kind of taken the
2:15:22reigns then almost not necessarily from
2:15:24like I'm making all the decisions, but
2:15:26like this is what we're focusing on, it
2:15:28sounds like.
2:15:29>> I think so. Yeah. Prioritizing features
2:15:32I think is is a big part of what I done.
2:15:35Um and and that could be from a you know
2:15:38sometimes that's from a you know what
2:15:39that that doesn't yes I would want to
2:15:41change that but it's not really hurting
2:15:43anything right now and it you know
2:15:45affects a bunch of different systems so
2:15:47let's just leave that sit for right now.
2:15:48It's not really hurting anybody. Um it's
2:15:51it's quirky and it might you know as a
2:15:53designer might annoy me. Um uh you know
2:15:56for example like uh you know car battery
2:15:59chargers work one way but TVs work
2:16:01another way like but that's okay for
2:16:03right now. People people grock it. It's
2:16:05okay. Um but a lot of times it'll it a
2:16:08lot of times it's um it can just be come
2:16:11down to you know we have three different
2:16:14proposals on how to make this better and
2:16:16they're all equally valid and they're
2:16:18all good ideas. Which one should we do?
2:16:22Um uh so it can be like cool let's do it
2:16:24that way. You know a lot of times you
2:16:26know when I'm working with engineers um
2:16:28they'll give me like hey here's the
2:16:30three proposals uh like literally this
2:16:32happened the other day. It was like
2:16:34here's three ways I as an engineer see
2:16:37to you know tackle this problem. They're
2:16:40kind of all equally valid from a code
2:16:42perspective but I'm not quite sure which
2:16:44one would be best from a gameplay
2:16:47perspective. And I looked at it and was
2:16:49like, "Oh, well, you know, this third
2:16:50one is it's consistent with the other
2:16:53one or with this other feature that's
2:16:55similar to it and I think it would be
2:16:57discoverable to players uh to have it
2:17:00implemented in this third way. So, let's
2:17:02let's roll with that." Um, so that kind
2:17:05of process I think has helped a lot. Um,
2:17:08being able to kind of, you know,
2:17:10approach things from the from the 10,000
2:17:12foot level. You know, a lot of a lot of
2:17:14the stuff with like um the right mouse
2:17:17click button was like that uh around
2:17:19that. Like even on your oven right now,
2:17:21if you click on the oven, um you see on
2:17:24the right hand side of the the the loot
2:17:27menu, you've got turn off and you've got
2:17:28settings. And you know th that feature
2:17:31and the and along with the you know kind
2:17:33of loot stuff, the move to floor, you
2:17:35know, that was was one of the developers
2:17:37took the initiative and came up with
2:17:39that concept and to to put those buttons
2:17:41there, which was really cool, but again
2:17:44at the time then that got pulled off of
2:17:46the right mouse click button. Well, if
2:17:48you were used to rice mouse click, you
2:17:51might never even look into that lower
2:17:53corner uh and um and go, "Oh, I turn on
2:17:57and off here." And so, in this case, we
2:17:59ended up duplicating it. So, it's on
2:18:01both. It's you can rightclick, you see
2:18:02gray oven, you see turn off, you see
2:18:04settings, but it's also up there on the
2:18:06on the right hand side. And that's okay
2:18:07that it's in two different places. Some
2:18:09people might like it one way. Um,
2:18:11another example using this menu as an
2:18:14example was in uh the original
2:18:16implementation all those buttons were uh
2:18:19they were oriented on the left side of
2:18:21the of the of the of the UI box. And so
2:18:26if the object had like the turn off and
2:18:30the settings like the this oven does, it
2:18:33would shift the take all and move to
2:18:36floor over to the right to accommodate
2:18:38that. Well, the problem with that is
2:18:39then the buttons weren't always in the
2:18:41same place. So, if you're quickly
2:18:42looting and you accidentally opened up a
2:18:45a an oven and were like take all, take
2:18:49all, take all, well, now turn on was in
2:18:52place of where take all was on. And so,
2:18:54people were like accidentally turning on
2:18:56ovens. And it's like, okay, cool. Let's
2:18:58pin the the the interaction buttons over
2:19:02to the right. And that's across the
2:19:03board. you know, fireplaces, ovens, uh
2:19:06there's a few other things that have
2:19:07that kind of interaction. Pin those over
2:19:09onto the right and that way the loop
2:19:11buttons are consistently over into the
2:19:12left. Players learn the muscle memory
2:19:15and now we're good to go. Um so yeah,
2:19:19those are some easy I'm looking at my
2:19:22screen and pointing at it. You can't see
2:19:23me pointing, but I'm I was just inspired
2:19:25by the screen in front of me. Um but
2:19:27yeah, so so that process and then as
2:19:30well as just um you know a little bit of
2:19:32you know uh traditional game development
2:19:36um working with the other directors to
2:19:39um have a little more um uh uh
2:19:43documented or organized pipeline for
2:19:46evaluating when things need to be done.
2:19:49uh keeping an eye on things like for
2:19:50example you know cooking isn't cooking
2:19:53and nutrition um isn't a focus uh for
2:19:57build 42. We are planning a cooking and
2:20:00nutrition revamp at a certain point. So
2:20:03you know part of my role is as different
2:20:06suggestions and bug reports came in it
2:20:08was like okay no we're going to move
2:20:10that into that future bucket of cooking
2:20:12revamp. We're not going to redo the way
2:20:15that cooking recipes work right now,
2:20:18even though we are planning to do uh a
2:20:21hit on that at some point. So, I'm going
2:20:23to move these over into that bucket and
2:20:25then when it's time to look at that
2:20:26feature, we'll sit down like first aid
2:20:28is another example of of those kinds of
2:20:30things. Like, we're not really touching
2:20:32it now. if there's a big bug or if
2:20:33there's a problem. Um, you know that we
2:20:36had the uh like what uh we had some
2:20:39problem where oh, everybody was burning
2:20:41eggs because the egg cartons weren't
2:20:44properly they weren't uh passing on the
2:20:47freezing stuff to the eggs. And so you
2:20:49would pull out a frozen carton, open it,
2:20:52stick in the eggs thinking they were
2:20:53going to have to defrost before they
2:20:55cooked. And then everybody their eggs
2:20:57just instantly burned. And everybody was
2:20:59like, "What the hell? I keep burning
2:21:00these eggs." And I like we looked at and
2:21:02the QA team was like, "Oh, it it it's"
2:21:05and and and that's what's fun of the fun
2:21:07about development because I'm trying to
2:21:09look at like, "Well, the eggs, they seem
2:21:11to cook like normal for me. They, you
2:21:13know, the ovens are working right. Like,
2:21:14I don't see any problem with eggs." And
2:21:16then one of the QA testers was like,
2:21:17"Oh, it's because they're pulling them
2:21:19out. It's not actually related to the
2:21:22oven and cooking. It's actually related
2:21:24to their frozen state." So, okay, cool.
2:21:26Yeah, let's fix that. That's that's an
2:21:28important thing. So, um, yeah, it runs
2:21:30the gambit, but, um, you know, um, TIS,
2:21:35I think, learned a lot from project 42,
2:21:39um, or I'm sorry, build 42 in Project
2:21:41Zomboid, and we're continually looking
2:21:44at improving our processes, improving
2:21:46our pipelines. I think you've you've
2:21:48probably noticed an a um, you know, an
2:21:51uptick in updates over the few uh, few
2:21:54months. Um, and also kind of staging
2:21:57things out a little. Like when we did
2:21:58the weapons uh revamp, I did the we did
2:22:02the ammo revamp first. Made sure that
2:22:05all that was all good to go before we
2:22:08introduced the new weapons. They were
2:22:09split up into two separate patches. Um,
2:22:12both to make sure there wasn't, you
2:22:14know, any huge problems with the ammo,
2:22:16um, that everything worked good, uh,
2:22:18that it was safe and that also people
2:22:19weren't confused, right? it's like, oh,
2:22:21all my weapons are different names and
2:22:23all there's different ammo and I'm
2:22:24confused and that kind of stuff. So, um
2:22:27those kind of pipeline processes are a
2:22:30continual improvement. Uh and the team's
2:22:32been really great um about um putting up
2:22:35with me um and uh and working with me on
2:22:38that stuff, too.
2:22:40>> Well, that is awesome. Uh it's really
2:22:42interesting that you brought up a
2:22:44cooking overhaul cuz that's interesting.
2:22:46That's one of my favorite things to do
2:22:47is I love making delicious stews. In
2:22:49fact, you can have some of the stew I
2:22:50just made if you would like.
2:22:52>> Yeah,
2:22:53>> that's going to be really calor. It's
2:22:54full of calories and it's also going to
2:22:56make you happy. So,
2:22:57>> Oh, well, I don't know if it's going to
2:22:59help with this queasiness that I'm
2:23:01feeling though. I'm feeling queasy for
2:23:03some reason. I don't know why.
2:23:05>> Uh, you know, probably the cigarettes.
2:23:08Maybe you're just a little nick. Yeah,
2:23:11>> obviously.
2:23:12>> Um,
2:23:12>> did you put the rat in here? Oh, no. You
2:23:14haven't cooked
2:23:14>> No, I didn't. Oh, I should cook the rat,
2:23:16though. I really should. I wouldn't want
2:23:17to waste the rat. You're so right.
2:23:19>> Yeah. DON'T LET HIM WAIT. HE sacrificed
2:23:21for us. Like
2:23:22>> Yes, [laughter] that is a good point. I
2:23:24don't actually know if you're able to
2:23:25put the rat into stews.
2:23:28>> I think you have to uh I don't know if
2:23:30rats can cuz they don't make rodent
2:23:33meat. I don't rat mice. Well, I'm not
2:23:36sure actually.
2:23:37>> I might have left the rat in the car.
2:23:39I'll go double check in a moment. Hold
2:23:40on.
2:23:41>> Oops. I drank all the stew.
2:23:42>> You can have all of it. I already had
2:23:44half of it anyways. So, the rest was for
2:23:45you. It's all good.
2:23:47It was tasty though, wasn't it?
2:23:49>> Yes.
2:23:50>> Very good. Um, well, again, very
2:23:53interesting you mentioned a cooking
2:23:55overhaul. Uh, as you mentioned, it's
2:23:58probably not coming in build 42.20, but
2:24:00I'm curious in general, is there
2:24:04anything new outside of the reported bug
2:24:07improvements, uh, performance
2:24:09improvements, fixes, multiplayer rework
2:24:12stuff? Is there anything new coming to
2:24:14build 42.20 20 for the stable release
2:24:17that maybe people can look forward to.
2:24:19>> There is a couple surprises
2:24:23>> that are coming with uh with the stable
2:24:25release. So there are a couple of things
2:24:28um we've been testing them internally uh
2:24:31with our internal testing group. Um and
2:24:34uh we're confident things uh are going
2:24:36well. Like like like I said in the blog,
2:24:39barring unforeseen circumstances, uh
2:24:42that means, you know, barring uh we find
2:24:44out that, you know, for some reason
2:24:474220, you know, explodes multiplayer or
2:24:50we have some, you know, game crippling
2:24:53uh you know, error that turns up that we
2:24:55haven't found yet. Um there's going to
2:24:57be some new content uh that's going to
2:24:59be launched um uh along with that. Um
2:25:02we've been testing it internally. It's
2:25:04got really positive feedback. um uh from
2:25:07the friends of the beta folks um uh that
2:25:10are are a group of community members
2:25:11that that that are amazing in helping us
2:25:14uh vet this content and uh and and look
2:25:17at stuff before it rolls out uh to
2:25:19everybody else. Um I'm really excited
2:25:22about it, but if I give any more hints
2:25:24than that, um I'm going to be in person
2:25:26with the team and develop in England
2:25:28next week and they will literally stab
2:25:30me if I if I if I uh give away too much.
2:25:33So, um I think people are going to be
2:25:35excited about it and I think it will be
2:25:38a um uh you know a nice um you know I I
2:25:43feel the pain that that that uh you know
2:25:45uh saves aren't going to make that
2:25:47transition from 419 to 420 and uh but I
2:25:50I I think this will go a long way to uh
2:25:53making up for that uh you know along
2:25:55with just knowing that that that the
2:25:56game will be uh stable and there won't
2:25:58be another uh you know an update every
2:26:01you know three weeks to to blow
2:26:03everything up uh again. So,
2:26:05>> well,
2:26:05>> for the short term,
2:26:06>> it sounds like whatever is coming is
2:26:09going to be massive and really amazing
2:26:11for everybody to try out. So, hopefully
2:26:15we'll all be able to enjoy that stuff
2:26:16soon. Uh it's great you brought up
2:26:18though, of course, that with Build42.20
2:26:20becoming stable, we're not going to have
2:26:22to worry about our playthroughs coming
2:26:25to an end. So, this is going to be great
2:26:27for those on Build 41 who haven't played
2:26:29Build 42 because they don't want to deal
2:26:32with that. but also for the modding
2:26:35community who now will have a very solid
2:26:38foundation to build upon. And I read in
2:26:40the blog post that you guys are finally
2:26:42going to be releasing updated modding
2:26:45tools for the community as well. Is
2:26:47there anything uh any insight you can
2:26:48give us into those tools?
2:26:51Um yeah, I mean I mean the big probably
2:26:54not insight as far as uh you know what
2:26:56modders are going to be able to come up
2:26:58with because modders consistently um
2:27:01amaze me with the what they build in
2:27:03Project Zomboid. I mean
2:27:04>> I mean just I mean the arc recently,
2:27:07right? Um
2:27:08>> I was going to bring that up later on. I
2:27:10I was curious if you've seen that, but
2:27:12>> Oh, amazing. I have not had a chance to
2:27:15play it. I definitely once 42 stable
2:27:17comes out I'm I'm going to check it out.
2:27:19Um, I know there's also a lot of
2:27:20modders. I mean, myself, I've got mods
2:27:23on the the workshop right now that I I I
2:27:26I am gonna update. Um, uh, like uh the
2:27:29choose your spawn mod and a couple
2:27:31others. Although, uh, my my my brilliant
2:27:34pillows mod got deprecated uh because
2:27:36Blair uh implemented uh a very similar
2:27:39uh feature. Uh, so it's going to live
2:27:41for B41 forever. Um but um you know I
2:27:46know a lot of folks uh were waiting um
2:27:49uh uh modders were waiting for
2:27:50stability, right? Like you don't want to
2:27:53you know spend three weeks um you know
2:27:55working on your mod uh that you know
2:27:57maybe a gun mod and then oh Christian
2:27:59released a new ammunition change and um
2:28:02now all the ammunition files that I set
2:28:05up all you know need to have one thing
2:28:07changed in them and I have to go update
2:28:0950 files and then you re-update it
2:28:10again. Um and so um but from a tool set
2:28:14um you know the uh updated world zed uh
2:28:17so the mapping tools um but I think the
2:28:20big one is going to be the animation
2:28:21tool uh anim um giving uh more power um
2:28:25I don't I I don't work in that space a
2:28:27lot obviously I'm a designer not an
2:28:29animator um but giving giving the the
2:28:32mod um creators more tools um to to
2:28:36build the content uh that that that they
2:28:39want to build. Um, we're always looking
2:28:41for those opportunities. We're going to
2:28:42continue to work on those opportunities.
2:28:44Um, you know, we think about modding is
2:28:47a core fundamental pillar of Project
2:28:50Zomboid. Um, and so when we look at
2:28:53features and how content is organized,
2:28:56modding is is part of that
2:28:58decision-making tree. And like um and so
2:29:02uh you know when we look at you know
2:29:04sometimes it may be you know from a in
2:29:06the vanilla we're like well you know
2:29:08what three versions of this uh say um uh
2:29:12you know a backpack type we may well
2:29:15three versions of this is good because
2:29:16you've got a intro level that the
2:29:18player's going to find and then they've
2:29:19got a medium one and then you know a
2:29:21late game one and then we've got visual
2:29:23varieties in there. We don't want to go
2:29:25too crazy. You know, we don't want to
2:29:26have, you know, so many backpacks that
2:29:29everybody's confused about, well, which
2:29:30is the better backpack and I don't know
2:29:32which one I should have. But, you know,
2:29:34a modder might want to go completely
2:29:35nuts and make, you know, super bag 7.0
2:29:38and have, you know, all these different
2:29:40things. Um, and so, you know, organizing
2:29:43the files and thinking about how modders
2:29:45are going to uh implement that. I mean,
2:29:47it helps that a good chunk of the team
2:29:49is are former modders. um uh is always
2:29:52something that that we keep in the in
2:29:54the back of the mind and it you know
2:29:55it's been hard with knowing like when we
2:29:58did the localization string changes um I
2:30:01think choose respond is still has broken
2:30:03loop strings in I need to go fix that
2:30:05like I said once 42 stable launches uh
2:30:07but um you know it's like well you know
2:30:10it it is an important unreode change we
2:30:12need to make it you know let's
2:30:14communicate it out um and we're also
2:30:17working um kind of behind the scenes on
2:30:18more resources uh for them as far
2:30:20There's like uh documentation
2:30:23uh forum, you know, forum discussion
2:30:25places, um information um uh hopefully
2:30:29maybe uh not in the very short term, but
2:30:32but looking at some more documentation
2:30:34on like debug tools uh where people can
2:30:37go and find out information because that
2:30:39can always be a challenge too, right?
2:30:40Like how do I how do I find out how to
2:30:42get started on this? Um at some point
2:30:45I'd love to uh you know Oh, there I'm
2:30:48coughing again. I should probably move
2:30:50to the interior of the building. Um,
2:30:52>> no, you're all good. You're all good.
2:30:53>> Yeah, but but but you know, information
2:30:56on like best practices. You know, when I
2:30:57first started modding Project Zomboid,
2:30:59some of the mods I opened up and
2:31:01actually looked at and I saw things that
2:31:03as a scriptor, you know, scripting is my
2:31:06my kind of uh my technical uh
2:31:09background. I looked at that and I'm
2:31:11like, wait a minute, you're checking
2:31:12this like every tick. Don't check things
2:31:15every tick. like just check them every
2:31:1710 minutes of in-game time or, you know,
2:31:20just check it like this. There's a lot
2:31:21of, you know, kind of coding practices
2:31:23or best practices for like, you know,
2:31:26you've probably seen the mods where, you
2:31:28know, it works fine when it's just that
2:31:30mod, but then you add three more mods
2:31:31and now all of a sudden your game's
2:31:33running at two frames a second or, you
2:31:35know, you're having conflicts. you know,
2:31:36how to set your mods up in a way that'll
2:31:38have the best um the best uh way to be
2:31:42uh compatible with other mods. Cuz as
2:31:45soon as you get a mod blows up on the
2:31:46workshop, the first thing your comments
2:31:48fills up with this are, hey, can you
2:31:50have it work with uh you know, uh I
2:31:53forgot the name that the the the person
2:31:55that does all the um costumes, you know,
2:31:58can you can it work with the jackets
2:32:00mod? Can you make it work with this mod?
2:32:01And then people start going, can you
2:32:02make it work with this creepy uh waifu
2:32:05pillow mod? and you're like, "Uh, I
2:32:07don't know. Should I? Uh, I I don't know
2:32:09about that one." But, um,
2:32:11>> you know, those kinds of things. And so,
2:32:12best practices for, you know,
2:32:14compatibility with other people because
2:32:16guaranteed as soon as if you have a mod
2:32:18that gets big, the first huge influx of
2:32:21requests are going to be compatibility
2:32:23with all the other big mods.
2:32:25>> Yeah.
2:32:27No, that is that is a headache for sure.
2:32:29I There's a couple modders in the chat
2:32:32right now bringing that up, too. Um,
2:32:35>> shout out to my my modders. I respect
2:32:37what you guys do and and gals, it's it's
2:32:39amazing.
2:32:42>> Is there any specific mods that you love
2:32:45to play with out of curiosity? When you
2:32:47do Zombo, do you have to run them?
2:32:49>> Well, I only run vanilla now that I've
2:32:52been hired. Um, [laughter]
2:32:54>> um, it's funny. I used to get that
2:32:56question on on Ghost Recon, too, like,
2:32:57"What mods do you run?" And I'm like,
2:32:58well, I have to run vanilla because I'm
2:33:00trying to make your experience better.
2:33:02And if I use a mod to do that, then I
2:33:04will get complacent and it won't annoy
2:33:06me and so I won't go back to the team
2:33:08and constantly poke them about, you
2:33:10know, why this thing annoys me. Um, so I
2:33:13I only run vanilla. Um, pre getting
2:33:16hired, I had a few different mods. There
2:33:18was uh there was the health panel mod,
2:33:21um, where it would pop up with injury
2:33:23uh, on the lower left. Uh, that was a
2:33:25cool one. Um, I ran I did run uh in the
2:33:29in the previous times I ran um you know
2:33:32like uh traits explained. Um I ran my
2:33:35own pillow mod um which is now vanilla
2:33:38uh behavior so I don't need to do that
2:33:40anymore. Um um a few of the other ones
2:33:43that I made like I uh I had a mod where
2:33:46you know um vests would or containers
2:33:49although that one didn't ever really
2:33:51work out very well because the the
2:33:53system of wear wearable containers can
2:33:56be wearable containers that also have
2:33:58armor value doesn't play well together
2:34:01>> um
2:34:02>> for a variety of kind of backend system
2:34:04ways um uh we might try to address that
2:34:07at some point in the future. Um, but I
2:34:10always uh um and then I did do I I I ran
2:34:14some of the like auto, you know, like um
2:34:18uh auto loading um auto um uh some of
2:34:23the the auto stuff that was was a lot of
2:34:25like where things like for example I I
2:34:28think I had like an auto readad mod that
2:34:30would like any books in your inventory,
2:34:32it would just cue through them in order
2:34:34and read them. So, if you had 50
2:34:35magazines, you didn't have to
2:34:36individually sit there and right click
2:34:38and right click and right click. Okay.
2:34:39>> Well, if you notice now, you can select
2:34:43a bunch of magazines and just right
2:34:45click and hit read and it will read them
2:34:47all in order. Um, I put that request
2:34:49Blair actually implemented that um
2:34:52because I was I was like, hey, I used to
2:34:54run a mod to do this because it's really
2:34:55annoying because I tend to gather up
2:34:57magazines and then sit them down and
2:34:59read them all at once. And I was, it was
2:35:01frustrating to have to sit there and
2:35:03just rightclick 30 times in a row. Um,
2:35:06because if you rightclicked before you
2:35:08were done reading the first one, it
2:35:09would cancel that and start reading the
2:35:10second one. Um, and at least I think it
2:35:13did in build 41. But, um, anyway, uh,
2:35:15usually things like that is what I'd run
2:35:17in the past. But my job now is to
2:35:20identify those kinds of things that add
2:35:22friction and and bring it to the team
2:35:24and go, hey, is there a way we can
2:35:26improve this for for players in general?
2:35:29Well, that again, I love that you are
2:35:32focused on the player experience, and I
2:35:34guess that does make sense why you would
2:35:35do vanilla in that regard, because then
2:35:38if people come at you constantly saying,
2:35:39"This mod is amazing. This should just
2:35:41be in the game." Then that's like great
2:35:43feedback to probably bring to them as a
2:35:45feature that would be super helpful for
2:35:48some.
2:35:50>> Yeah, absolutely. um modding, you know,
2:35:52seeing what mods people are running and
2:35:54and seeing, you know, besides the, you
2:35:56know, there's always going to be the
2:35:58mods that in and I'm speaking to any
2:36:00game now, right? Like the first mod you
2:36:02get on any shooter is, you know, Bill's
2:36:048,000 gun mod that has, you know, every
2:36:07gun ever made uh you know, in the
2:36:09eternity of humanity, even if it's not
2:36:11appropriate. Um, so we we generally
2:36:15don't want to go down that route of
2:36:17like, you know, 10,000 guns that only
2:36:20gun nerds will, you know, what's the
2:36:21difference between an AK-47M and an
2:36:24AK-47s? I don't understand. This is
2:36:26stupid. Um, um, you know, we'll leave
2:36:29that to the modders. You know, that that
2:36:30that is a perfect opportunity uh for
2:36:33maximum content. Um, but when there's,
2:36:35you know, a quality of life mod that
2:36:37everybody's like, you need to run this
2:36:39quality of life mod, um, that's that's
2:36:41an indicator that that that's a want
2:36:43from the community and and and a need
2:36:45from the community. Now, sometimes
2:36:47that's not going to be appropriate,
2:36:49right? I you know battle milk is not
2:36:52something I'm going to go well a bunch
2:36:54of people are like you know uh using the
2:36:57autodrink system to basically uh you
2:37:00know uh uh the auto drink system
2:37:03combined with the bug of milk not
2:37:05expiring um to like never have to like
2:37:09drink um uh or eat food um you know then
2:37:13that might be addressed in a different
2:37:14way. I'm not always uh I'm not always
2:37:17going to make everybody happy. I'm
2:37:18definitely not always going to make
2:37:19myself happy. Um, I'm I'm I love to
2:37:22place uh uh with cats eyes, but I had
2:37:24to, you know, I I made that design
2:37:27decision to make cats size a little more
2:37:29expensive, and then the very next
2:37:30character I created, I was like, who's
2:37:32that [ __ ] that made cats eyes more
2:37:34expensive? And yeah, I I I have to deal
2:37:37with it, too. Another reason to play
2:37:38vanilla.
2:37:41>> Oh my gosh.
2:37:43Would you um would you like to hop in
2:37:46the car? I grabbed the last few tools I
2:37:49needed and maybe we can go loot the
2:37:52police station.
2:37:53>> Yeah, let's do it.
2:37:55>> Perfect.
2:37:56>> Sorry, I'm sitting here talking and
2:37:58forgetting about looting.
2:37:59>> No, you're fine. You're completely In
2:38:01fact, I did the looting for you. You
2:38:02said you're long blunt. Guess what I got
2:38:04for you.
2:38:06>> I got you one of these if you would like
2:38:09it. Right under your feet.
2:38:13>> Oh, nice.
2:38:14>> Found that in a random box. Awesome.
2:38:18>> I love the crowbar. So, you're team long
2:38:20blunt versus axe, I guess.
2:38:22>> Um, well, yes. Uh, over axe. I'm team
2:38:25long blunt. In general, the So, the way
2:38:28I run now is I tend to run long run on
2:38:31my back. Um, uh, if I can get it, um, a
2:38:37a nightstick on my belt. And um and I
2:38:41carry both so that when I when I'm
2:38:43looting inside, I can switch to short
2:38:46blunt with the uh garbage bag in my
2:38:49right hand. Okay.
2:38:50>> Um and throw my loot in there. And that
2:38:53way if I get into a tight location, I
2:38:57can just drop the garbage bag. Um I can,
2:39:00you know, whack him with the nightstick
2:39:01if I need to, but if I get into really
2:39:03heavy, I can get into um I can uh you
2:39:06know, drop the garbage bag and switch
2:39:07back to long blunt. And then of course
2:39:09also, you know, after the powers goes
2:39:11out in the back room, I can run uh the
2:39:13night stick with the flashlight. Um
2:39:16>> uh but yeah, I again, you know, I think
2:39:18I mentioned it earlier.
2:39:20>> I I never ever want to accidentally put
2:39:24in holes into that beautiful military
2:39:26jacket or, you know, an amazing leather
2:39:29pair of leather pants. And and uh you
2:39:32know, I save my axes for cutting down
2:39:33tree. Oh, speaking of axes,
2:39:35>> would you like that? You want to loot
2:39:37that?
2:39:38Uh,
2:39:40>> we can take a look. It's not that bad.
2:39:44>> We can clear this. This is no problem.
2:39:46>> Yeah. Yeah.
2:39:48>> Little firefighter zomboids going by.
2:39:50>> I'm a little slow with my depression.
2:39:54Something is Well, my smoking and
2:39:56everything sad.
2:39:59>> Uh, I can pull for you if you need.
2:40:02>> I'm okay right now.
2:40:03>> Okay.
2:40:04>> They're all on you anyway. [laughter]
2:40:06They do like me.
2:40:07>> Yeah, they they do prefer me, it seems.
2:40:10But that's okay. That's part of course.
2:40:12Me and them, we have a very lovehate
2:40:15relationship. [groaning]
2:40:17>> I love that I'm still wearing a mask
2:40:19while I'm bitten. I don't Well, I guess
2:40:21I can still uh [groaning]
2:40:27work boots and firefighter clothes.
2:40:32This is a random thought I've actually
2:40:35had,
2:40:36>> but I've noticed in the past sometimes
2:40:38when I'm fighting like a hazmat zombo or
2:40:40like a zombie wearing a mask
2:40:43>> and then they bite me somehow, it's like
2:40:45damn. [laughter]
2:40:47Have you guys thought about making it so
2:40:48if a zombie is wearing a mask, they
2:40:50cannot get a bite on you?
2:40:52>> That's not a bad idea. We'll definitely
2:40:54put that. They It's funny because there
2:40:55there are some things like that
2:40:58implemented like actually if zombies
2:41:00have their ears ripped off it affects
2:41:02their hearing. Um
2:41:05>> Wait, they can have their ears ripped
2:41:06off?
2:41:07>> Mhm. Yeah. If you actually look on their
2:41:10um uh on their head models, uh sometimes
2:41:14they're they'll have their their you
2:41:15know chunks like sides of their head
2:41:17ripped off and their ears will be gone
2:41:18and that actually affects their hearing.
2:41:21um uh uh you know based on the sandbox
2:41:24settings, it'll downgrade their hearing,
2:41:25I think, to the next level down. Uh and
2:41:27you can actually end up with some deaf
2:41:29zombies uh because of that. Um where
2:41:32they actually won't hear you at all
2:41:33until you get within like one tile
2:41:35behind them. Um but uh that would be
2:41:38actually a pretty interesting um uh
2:41:42gameplay experience where you I I think
2:41:44they did that at Walking Dead like in
2:41:46the prison. and they had some zombies in
2:41:48um in uh like riot helmets and they
2:41:52couldn't take them down but the zombies
2:41:54couldn't bite them back and so they were
2:41:55just in this like uh push push contest
2:41:58with like these zeds that couldn't bite
2:42:00them. Um yeah, it'd be definitely
2:42:02interesting. Um, it it's always it's
2:42:05it's it's always fun to evaluate stuff
2:42:07like that as a designer because then you
2:42:09have to think about all the bug reports
2:42:11that we're going to get of like, I ran
2:42:13into this zombie and he kept trying to
2:42:14bite me and he couldn't bite me and this
2:42:16game is broken. And you're like, uh,
2:42:17it's cuz he had a mask on. Oh. Oh, I
2:42:19didn't notice that. Yeah. Well, we got
2:42:2127 bugs filed on it last night.
2:42:24[laughter]
2:42:26[snorts]
2:42:27>> That's uh, you just shocked everybody in
2:42:29my chat, by the way. No one knew that
2:42:31was a thing.
2:42:32I learned it when I was I I um there was
2:42:35a little while where um there was a bug
2:42:37where zombies um you couldn't hear like
2:42:40the interior breathing. Um it got muted
2:42:43for some reason. And I I kept in my play
2:42:46test I kept running into, you know, this
2:42:49Zed that was seemingly deaf and I'm
2:42:51like, "Is there a bug with with, you
2:42:53know, every once in a while I I run into
2:42:56his head and they don't hear me." And
2:42:58Blair was like, "Were their ears ripped
2:42:59off?" And I looked at the screenshot
2:43:01when I filed the bug and I was like,
2:43:03"Yeah." And he's like, "Yeah, of course
2:43:04they can't hear you. Their ears are
2:43:05ripped off." And I was like, "What?
2:43:07What? Really?" So, I mean, I am still
2:43:10constantly surprised at the depth of the
2:43:12systems that are built built into
2:43:14projects on. I still run into things all
2:43:16the time that I'm like, "Wow, I cannot
2:43:18even, you know, comprehend like coming
2:43:23in from the AAA side, you know, no
2:43:26producer would ever sign on, you know,
2:43:28I'm going to spend two years building
2:43:30out this system that allows, you know,
2:43:32that kind of in-depth uh in-depthness."
2:43:35Um, yeah, it's awesome.
2:43:38I I can't even imagine because on an
2:43:40indie 2 I mean to be fair this game has
2:43:43been in development for what over a
2:43:44decade.
2:43:45>> It's it's been a little over a decade. I
2:43:49think dude I think it's coming close to
2:43:5115 years now. Um
2:43:54>> yeah. Yeah. It's been a while.
2:43:56[groaning]
2:43:57Well, while we're on that subject and
2:43:59just fighting some zombies around here
2:44:01at the front of the police station with
2:44:04it being in development for so long, you
2:44:06joining the team build 42 stable coming
2:44:09out soon.
2:44:10I'm curious if the road map at all for
2:44:14the future of the game has shifted
2:44:16because obviously once you guys have
2:44:18polished out the stable release and it's
2:44:20in the area you want, I'm assuming a lot
2:44:21of the focus is going to be build 43. Is
2:44:25the big ticket item for Build 43 still
2:44:28going to be NPCs or have you guys
2:44:30adjusted things a little bit?
2:44:33>> Um, well, the road map has definitely
2:44:36shifted. There's things that have
2:44:38shifted in the road map. Um, you know,
2:44:40some of that is things that didn't get
2:44:42fully, you know, as fleshed out in in
2:44:44D42 as uh, you know, we hoped or didn't
2:44:48come to together um uh to to, you know,
2:44:52be work out the way we wanted it to. and
2:44:54need some additional polish um or
2:44:56additional expansion. Um you know things
2:44:59I mentioned already you know first aid
2:45:01uh needs a pass, electrical needs a pass
2:45:04um you know even some of the existing
2:45:06skills like pottery or glass making uh
2:45:09need additional work. Um as far as you
2:45:12know you know NPCs are still the big
2:45:17road map ticket item. Um, but I, you
2:45:20know, I think Oh, tact JS3T, baby.
2:45:24>> You found a JS3T.
2:45:27>> Ooh,
2:45:30>> he doesn't have any shotgun shells. He
2:45:31has a bulletproof vest. I don't really
2:45:33>> I'm inside right now. We can check all
2:45:35of them for keys and get into the armory
2:45:37and probably get tons of ammo.
2:45:39>> I got a night stick and a JS3. Do you
2:45:42want the shotgun? Does that have
2:45:44>> I mean, I won't say no. All right, I'm
2:45:48going to give you the shotgun.
2:45:50>> All right.
2:45:51>> Yeah,
2:45:53>> that sucks.
2:45:53>> Yeah, I love the uh the the uh the
2:45:56tactical um tactical tactical shotgun
2:45:59and the tactical uh sniper rifle where
2:46:02um I won't say it was my idea cuz it um
2:46:06uh the team members already uh uh came
2:46:08up with that like, "Hey, can we make
2:46:10tactical versions?" I'm like, "Well, can
2:46:11you just make the stock black? I'll I'll
2:46:13take care of the rest. Let's do it." Um
2:46:16and uh so um yeah uh anyway back to your
2:46:20original question. You know NPCs are um
2:46:24uh you know a big planning thing uh to
2:46:27you know look at you know how those are
2:46:29going to work. What does NPCs mean uh in
2:46:32the grand scheme of things? Um, and uh,
2:46:35you know, one of the other things we're
2:46:36going to be looking at uh, in the
2:46:38future, you know, whether it it be build
2:46:4243 or or or uh, you know, a different
2:46:45version is is looking at zombie
2:46:47migration. Uh, can we get to more um,
2:46:50you know, kind of that that feeling of,
2:46:52oh, I've cleared out my base and um, oh,
2:46:55I got to reattach I unattached the hold
2:46:59on. um uh you know you know can we get
2:47:03sort sort of more of that kind of horde
2:47:05feel um of of migrating hordes uh or
2:47:08that feeling of you know a big wave
2:47:11might come through the base without
2:47:12doing it in a gamey way doing it in a
2:47:14project zomboid way um and that's one of
2:47:16the important things you know when we
2:47:18look at NPCs you know it's not about
2:47:21dropping in some scripted people that
2:47:23run around and do presscripted things
2:47:25just so that we can say there's NPCs
2:47:27there that that's not the way um uh that
2:47:31we want to do it. If we do it, we want
2:47:33to do it um to the legacy that that that
2:47:36Project Zomboid has built into the depth
2:47:38that that Project Zomboid has built. Um
2:47:40so that'll definitely be one of the
2:47:42things um that I'm I'm going to be
2:47:44working on. [snorts]
2:47:48>> Well, I'm excited to see what the NPCs
2:47:51end up becoming. And I can understand
2:47:53why you would want to like take your
2:47:55time with that feature because that is
2:47:57something people have been wondering
2:47:59about for a long long long time. I mean,
2:48:02there's been many members of the
2:48:04community as well who have made their
2:48:05own NPC mods like for example Slayer,
2:48:08uh, Superb Survivors, things like that
2:48:10in the past.
2:48:11Um, but I guess when you think about
2:48:15creating
2:48:17NPCs vanilla, it sounds like you just
2:48:20want to make sure they integrate
2:48:21everything
2:48:23into the systems already there in the
2:48:25game.
2:48:27Yeah, I I think the I think the key I
2:48:31mean NPCs and you know what we're we're
2:48:34you know we're talking about is you know
2:48:36AI that represent humans and AI is
2:48:40having done worked on AI in a variety of
2:48:43games. It is not an easy thing. It is
2:48:46not a little thing. Um I remember I
2:48:49joked in um after after Takedown shipped
2:48:52and and and some of our biggest
2:48:53critiques were around AI and how they
2:48:55worked. Um the the next game I actually
2:48:58shifted over to was a game where all the
2:48:59enemies were robots cuz I was like I can
2:49:01just have AIs that every every enemy
2:49:04just does one thing and that's all they
2:49:06do and it can be natural because they're
2:49:08robots and then nobody will critique
2:49:10them for like doing things that look
2:49:12stupid, right? It's it we as humans have
2:49:15an innate uh you know understanding of
2:49:18you know what humans should do and what
2:49:20what they you know should act like and
2:49:22how should they should do uh do things.
2:49:25Um, and so having AI and NPCs that are
2:49:30an integral part of the world and react
2:49:32to the world the same way that they
2:49:34would react to you. You know, they're
2:49:36not on just a trigger that, oh, you
2:49:38know, uh, player enters, you know, 50
2:49:41meters within AI. Now their their AI,
2:49:44you know, activates and they, you know,
2:49:46walk to player, you know, give dialogue
2:49:48tree, you know, you know, whatever, you
2:49:50know, scripted things that you would do
2:49:52in, you know, you know, in more of an
2:49:54open world game. Um, but I think the
2:49:57challenge and and and one that I think
2:49:58both the team and I are are are excited
2:50:01about uh taking on is doing it the the
2:50:06project's envoy way. You know, I don't
2:50:07think any player wants to have um you
2:50:11know, scripted AI that are gonna like on
2:50:14day six, Joe shows up and everybody's
2:50:16run and Joe says, "Hey, could you help
2:50:18me? I have rats in my basement. Could
2:50:20you please come clean out my rats and I
2:50:22will give you three cheeseburgers."
2:50:24Right? Like that. That's not what they
2:50:26want to see. Um and that's going to be
2:50:29an organic process. um you know of of
2:50:32trying things and implementing them and
2:50:34you know getting obviously the team's
2:50:36feedback first and then grow greater
2:50:38people and and it it's going to build be
2:50:40a building uh block process uh and um
2:50:44I'm I'm excited about it and uh and uh
2:50:48uh you know um intimidated by it at the
2:50:51same way. Um, you know, Ghost AI and
2:50:54Ghost Recon are nothing compared to the
2:50:57amount of lifting that the AI and
2:50:59Project Zomboid are going to need to do.
2:51:01Um, and uh, and we had full-time
2:51:04developers on Ghost Recon that that's
2:51:05all they did. Um, was build enemy AI and
2:51:09squad AI. And you know, we have AI that
2:51:12could potentially need to work as enemy
2:51:14AI. They could potentially need to work
2:51:15as squad AI. They need to work as lore
2:51:18people. they need to um you know
2:51:21interact with the world. Um uh they may
2:51:24you know need to hold up. They need to
2:51:25be happy. They need to be sad. They need
2:51:27to be scared. They need to be hurt. Like
2:51:29all of these things need to be
2:51:30encompassed within this. Um so I think
2:51:33it was the right decision for for the
2:51:35indie stone to to not try to just tack
2:51:38on uh AI onto build 42 or NPCs onto
2:51:41build 42 just so they could check a box.
2:51:43Um and those that's not my plan to do
2:51:46either. So, um, yes, it is still on the
2:51:50road map. Yes, it is planned. Um, what
2:51:53form that takes, um, you know, I'm I'm
2:51:56being relatively speculative here. Uh,
2:51:59you know, um, so, you know, whoever's
2:52:01recording this and comes back in 5 years
2:52:03and like Christian said, you know, on on
2:52:06Beaver's Dream that they were going to
2:52:07get sad and they don't get sad, like, oh
2:52:09crap, I forgot about that. Yeah. Um, you
2:52:12know, whatever it may be. But, um, but
2:52:14that's my goal. My goal. And um um you
2:52:17know game development reaches reality.
2:52:19It it hits um uh you know performance
2:52:22and optimization and all sorts of
2:52:24challenges. Um but but we want to make
2:52:27them the best that they can be.
2:52:29>> Again, I can only imagine the challenge
2:52:31it's going to be to try and get
2:52:33everything integrated exactly the way
2:52:35you would want in a game like this where
2:52:38it's so dynamic. But I also love that
2:52:41you guys don't really want to script
2:52:44anything too. You want to make sure
2:52:46whatever happens, it's just impromptu.
2:52:48It's just it feels natural because I
2:52:50think one of my personal worries is with
2:52:54NPCs and the mods I've tried out, they
2:52:58feel so phoned in at times where it's
2:53:00like you can easily tell, oh my god,
2:53:03it's going to do this or even worse,
2:53:06it's going to be just extremely buggy
2:53:09and you don't understand what's
2:53:10happening and it takes you out of the
2:53:11experience. And for me, part of the
2:53:12reason I like Zomboid so much is the
2:53:16atmosphere and the vibe in single
2:53:17player, knowing I'm the only one out
2:53:20here right now. Like, no one else is
2:53:22there. So, I'm sure when NPCs drop,
2:53:24there's going to be a lot of
2:53:25customization and sandbox options as
2:53:27well. But I just love that you guys are
2:53:30taking into account all of this related
2:53:32to whether it be chatting with NPCs,
2:53:35maybe doing quests for NPCs,
2:53:37maybe building parties or whatever. But
2:53:40it's just it's so interesting to get
2:53:42your take on that because I know a lot
2:53:43of people are excited for NPCs.
2:53:47>> Yeah. And you know, the thing I would
2:53:48just I I would I would caution to, you
2:53:52know, temper or or caution folks to
2:53:55think about is that every single person
2:53:57that's listening to this when when they
2:53:59think about what it what NPCs and
2:54:01Zomboid means likely has a different
2:54:04interpretation of of what that means and
2:54:06what that is. Um, you know, some I may
2:54:09have just like really offended someone
2:54:11that was like, "Well, I yeah, I want Joe
2:54:13to come up and tell me that, you know,
2:54:15he needs 17 rats killed because I love
2:54:18doing that in Fallout or I love doing
2:54:19that in, you know, Elder Scrolls or or
2:54:22whatever it may be." Um, and you know,
2:54:24there there potentially could be, you
2:54:26know, some scripted actions, but you
2:54:28know, like you said, you know, when
2:54:30things start to when systems break down,
2:54:34uh, to to take you out of that emotional
2:54:36experience, um, that's when, uh, you
2:54:40know, that's what we don't want to get
2:54:42into. Um, and you know, being respectful
2:54:45of players that, you know, there's
2:54:46players that also, you know, they've
2:54:49been playing Project Zomboid with no
2:54:51NPCs and they like that ne I never can
2:54:55say this word, but like the nilism of,
2:54:57you know, being the last person on Earth
2:54:59and and you know, everyone else is dead
2:55:02and you know, um, you know, I I
2:55:04personally kind of, you know, I you
2:55:06know, sometimes I like that. Sometimes I
2:55:09Yeah, I mainly because I'm barricading
2:55:12my base against bandits that I, you
2:55:13know, intellectually know may never
2:55:15come, but I'm still building shooting
2:55:17ports to just in case. Um, but um, you
2:55:21know, having, like you said, those
2:55:22sandbox options, you know, the game
2:55:23still needs to work without them. Um,
2:55:26you know, if they all die or if a player
2:55:28just, you know, disables them through
2:55:29sandbox or, you know, potentially, you
2:55:32know, someone might make wants to make a
2:55:33roleplayer server with no uh NPCs. um we
2:55:37still have to support those various
2:55:39different things. So, it's always a
2:55:41balancing act and it's always, you know,
2:55:43trying to find again a way for things to
2:55:46organically fit into the gameplay
2:55:48systems to where the gameplay systems
2:55:49can still function either without them
2:55:52or, you know, a player that, you know,
2:55:54you couldn't gate, you know, for
2:55:56example, you know, you couldn't do some
2:55:58kind of RPG thing to go like, well, you
2:56:01have to befriend 20 MPCs to get your
2:56:04charisma to a certain level before you
2:56:06can, you know, up your first aid skill.
2:56:09Because a player might just shoot all
2:56:10the NPCs in the head right off the bat
2:56:13and then go, "Why can't I level my first
2:56:16aid?" Oh, well, you you had to make
2:56:17friends with NPCs in order to do that.
2:56:19Oops. That's going to happen. I'm just
2:56:21rude. Oh, yeah. It would absolutely
2:56:23happen. Um uh
2:56:25>> did you did you do that alarm?
2:56:28>> Oh, no. That wasn't me.
2:56:29>> Oh, okay. Oh, that was me again. Oh, god
2:56:32damn it. Okay. Every car I touch has an
2:56:35alarm. Sarin,
2:56:37I don't know why this is I just wanted
2:56:39to get a bandage. This is uh Where are
2:56:41you at right now?
2:56:43>> Uh I'm right at the entrance to the
2:56:44station. I was actually looking for a
2:56:46bandage to change my dirty bandage.
2:56:48>> Oh, I have one right now. I can drop it
2:56:50on this dirty ground next to all the
2:56:52dried blood if you would like.
2:56:55>> Here. Oh, that's peanuts. Hold on. Wait.
2:56:57Bandage right there.
2:57:01>> I'll cover you if you need to.
2:57:04>> Go ahead and take a moment.
2:57:08I'll take Let me just check my bite. It
2:57:10might have healed by now.
2:57:11>> It may have healed.
2:57:12>> Yeah.
2:57:17>> I don't know. It's massively infected.
2:57:19Okay. Oh, I have alcohol wipes. I should
2:57:22probably I'll disinfect it. That'll take
2:57:24care of any infection that might
2:57:26>> I think there was disinfectant in the
2:57:27ambulance, too, if you need it.
2:57:32>> Oh, yeah. Then I'll sterilize my band,
2:57:35which will heal that bite right up.
2:57:37>> Oh, I'm sure.
2:57:39>> Yeah,
2:57:39>> if you find an antibiotic, that might
2:57:41help, too. Uh, since we already had the
2:57:43alarm go off,
2:57:45>> I'm just going to
2:57:46>> I was going to say I was going to say
2:57:48the alarm went off anyway. You might as
2:57:49well rock and roll a little bit.
2:57:51>> Yeah, the first shot with the shotgun
2:57:53jammed a little bit, by the way, but
2:57:55that's okay.
2:57:57>> Pump guns actually didn't jam in real
2:57:59life. It's a myth that they do. Really?
2:58:03>> They do. Yeah.
2:58:06>> If you if you short stroke them, i.e. if
2:58:09you have a low uh I guess I guess this
2:58:11would be low reloading skill in real
2:58:14life or uh they can be uh pump shotguns
2:58:17can be very uh ammunition picky where
2:58:20they don't like certain uh like there's
2:58:22different uh lengths between like
2:58:23European and American shells or high
2:58:25wall or short wall. I'm I'm kind of a
2:58:28gun nerd. So [groaning]
2:58:29>> Well, it makes sense. You do have a
2:58:31military background. So,
2:58:32>> yes, I do. I do. [groaning]
2:58:38>> But I did not know that. That's That's
2:58:39interesting to know. Do bolt guns jam?
2:58:42>> Um, not really as much. I mean,
2:58:45theoretically you can. It's usually user
2:58:47a error at that point in real life. If
2:58:50if you get a bolt gun jam, you're
2:58:53>> you've been like trying to make it
2:58:54happen.
2:58:55>> Yeah. But lever guns and pump guns, it's
2:58:57usually just uh it's called short
2:58:59stroking. It's when you uh you don't
2:59:01work the action quite all the way and
2:59:03the shell kind of gets halfway there and
2:59:05then you close it before it [groaning]
2:59:08gets out.
2:59:10>> Sorry, the zomboids are very loud right
2:59:12now. They are groaning incredibly loud.
2:59:15>> Yes. Oh my gosh, they nearly got me.
2:59:21>> Their skulls are very strong as well.
2:59:22They are not caving in unfortunately.
2:59:24The hammer is made of foam perhaps.
2:59:28>> [groaning]
2:59:34>> Uh, if you want, we can try to go back
2:59:35to the house. I mean, I got tons of ammo
2:59:37and guns if you would like some.
2:59:39>> Yeah, we can head back.
2:59:40>> Okay,
2:59:41>> let me finish off these ball.
2:59:44>> Sounds good. I'll get the car ready.
2:59:49Oh, I would be remiss if I didn't bring
2:59:50this up. People are saying though that
2:59:52you could just simply press Q to get the
2:59:54cure for your bite if it's a problem.
2:59:56>> Oh, that's true. I like to press Q to
2:59:59say hi. That was my intro to the
3:00:00community. So
3:00:01>> I I remember that. I was actually
3:00:03reading that last night again to prepare
3:00:05for today.
3:00:08>> I'm in.
3:00:09>> Perfect. We'll drive home. Uh I have to
3:00:13ask this and again I don't want to get
3:00:15you in trouble with the rest of the dev
3:00:17team. So if you can't answer, feel free
3:00:19to say I can't answer. But with build
3:00:2242.20 20 going stable sometime towards
3:00:27the end of the summer.
3:00:29>> When do you likely think we'll see news
3:00:32about build 43?
3:00:35>> Um I mean I can't really give an answer
3:00:39on that but don't expect it in the the
3:00:42very short term. um you know once we we
3:00:46you know there there's folks I I will
3:00:49say this there are folks working on
3:00:51future versions of project zomboid um uh
3:00:56mainly from a you know foundational
3:00:59standpoint um uh engine improvements
3:01:03such like that right now um but um you
3:01:07know you know the the the gameplay
3:01:10implementers right now and that's not
3:01:13really a technical term, but the folks
3:01:14that have been kind of hands in like
3:01:17doing a, you know, a lot of the both
3:01:19multiplayer and single player, you know,
3:01:21little interact, I don't want to say
3:01:22little either because a lot of them are
3:01:24big, but a lot of that, you know, uh,
3:01:26kind of player facing stuff in the short
3:01:27term. They've just been so heads down
3:01:30for the past few months, just really
3:01:31cranking stuff out. They need a little
3:01:33bit of time to to kind of process, see
3:01:37where we're at. um you know uh we need
3:01:40to do a um you know we are planning a
3:01:43support update uh for build 42. Uh some
3:01:46of that's going to be optimization. Some
3:01:48of that's going to be you know looking
3:01:50at um some of the features that didn't
3:01:52get you know fully implemented in um in
3:01:55in in build 42 um uh that we we still
3:01:59want to include uh uh that that that
3:02:01shouldn't you know that won't break
3:02:03saves and stuff that we we can put in.
3:02:05Um, and also, um, some of the late game
3:02:08stuff, you know, you know, the late game
3:02:11testing, you know, hasn't got as much
3:02:15testing from the community or or playing
3:02:17from the community because we've been,
3:02:19you know, updating and putting new
3:02:21things out and people start new builds.
3:02:23And so, um, except for a lot of the
3:02:26people that are doing those things on
3:02:27purpose, like I'm going to max out
3:02:29blacksmithing or I'm going to, you know,
3:02:31do this one thing. We haven't had a lot
3:02:33of organic feedback of like, oh, you
3:02:35know, I hit this point where I wanted
3:02:36to, you know, I killed all these animals
3:02:39and I wanted to, you know, make leather
3:02:41coats, but then I ran into, you know,
3:02:43this blocker. and you're like, "Oh, you
3:02:45know, um, like for example, I I I
3:02:48literally ran into an example like that
3:02:49the other day where I used all my wooden
3:02:53rods to make plant drying stuff to dry
3:02:57corn and then um I killed a bunch of
3:03:00animals and I was like, "Cool, I want to
3:03:02I want to make a fur hat." Oh, I used
3:03:05all my wooden rods to make plant drying
3:03:07racks. And but I need a a leather drying
3:03:10rack, but I don't have any wooden rods
3:03:12to make the leather drying rack. Um, do
3:03:15I really want to go just start cutting
3:03:17down trees? Um, why can't I just take
3:03:19apart my my my plant drying rack and
3:03:24make a leather drying rack? Um, so like
3:03:27those kinds of things are the the the
3:03:30kind of um things that you get from
3:03:32organic gameplay that you might not get
3:03:34from someone just going like, "Yeah, I
3:03:36try to do this and this and this." Or
3:03:37trying to find the optimum, like, you
3:03:39know, how can I get carving to level 10
3:03:41as fast as I can? Oh, the most, you
3:03:43know, best way to do it is to, you know,
3:03:45pump out 10,000 spoons. Uh, but maybe
3:03:47the person that's like, "Hey, I wasn't
3:03:49really trying to ramp carving, but you
3:03:52know, maybe, you know, uh, I just really
3:03:55wanted to, you know, whatever, carve
3:03:58baseball bats, and that was like way
3:04:00beyond my stuff. So, okay, should, you
3:04:02know, should there be something that's
3:04:04like baseball bats that's, you know, uh,
3:04:06lower in the ski in the skill tree, or
3:04:08maybe baseball bats aren't in the right
3:04:11place, uh, as far as, you know, what
3:04:13what unlocks them." Um or we run into um
3:04:17you know uh again with systems working
3:04:19together, right? Like you know you you
3:04:22can have a situation where you know a a
3:04:25a certain item is integral to a tech
3:04:27tree but then you know you spawn in Echo
3:04:32Creek and that certain item isn't there.
3:04:34Like what do you do? Like well do you go
3:04:37on a road trip or you know is is it
3:04:39available through crafting in different
3:04:41ways? um you know like the wooden rod
3:04:43situation, you know, my mind instantly
3:04:45goes to like um uh okay, I can I can
3:04:49carve them from saplings and I can get
3:04:51them out of broomsticks. Um but you
3:04:54know, is there is there other ways that
3:04:55I can get wooden rods? Like is there a
3:04:57way to make it make sense with carving
3:04:59in with planks or something like that?
3:05:01Um yeah, those kinds of things uh for
3:05:04that stable update. Well, it's it's
3:05:06interesting you bring that up because
3:05:07there are some people immediately
3:05:09shouting out examples of that exact
3:05:11thing with the biggest one being nails.
3:05:13People would love
3:05:16more info on that and I guess some
3:05:19adjustments on that front, especially
3:05:20when they're doing wilderness focused
3:05:23runs. They can't really do any crafting
3:05:25without going into town and getting
3:05:26nails early on.
3:05:28>> Yeah, wilderness wilderness runs are um
3:05:30they're they're a special kind of
3:05:32challenge, right? because I can't I
3:05:34can't just go and go, hey, everybody
3:05:37doesn't have nails. Can we increase nail
3:05:39spawning by 20% or could we increase,
3:05:42you know, furniture, you know, spitting
3:05:44out nails by X? So, we have to, you
3:05:47know, wilderness runs or limited runs
3:05:50or, you know, those kinds of challenges
3:05:53bring in their their own special set of
3:05:55challenges. Um, and whether it be, you
3:05:58know, a crafting um, and and and and
3:06:02please everybody don't don't take what
3:06:04I'm saying as like gospel feature
3:06:06promises, but you know, as a designer,
3:06:08you would look at, okay, so can what are
3:06:13ways to address this? Right? So, if I
3:06:15say like, okay, cool, fine. You can um,
3:06:17you can hammer nails out of metal
3:06:18sheets. If you have hammer and you have
3:06:21metal working in a certain skill, you
3:06:23can make nails out of metal sheets.
3:06:24Well, that doesn't help a wilderness run
3:06:26because how do you how do you get the
3:06:28metal sheets or how do you how do you
3:06:31level up welding? You you can't level up
3:06:34welding
3:06:35without things to weld. Um so, you know,
3:06:39working through those processes of like,
3:06:41well, you know, you know, does it mean
3:06:43that we put more stuff into uh the
3:06:45foraging um menus? Does it mean that we
3:06:49look at alternate craft uh capabilities?
3:06:52Do we look at you know uh wooden dowel
3:06:55uh you know you know like the the um I
3:06:58don't I I want I'll stop I I know that
3:07:02some cultures in the past like built all
3:07:04their furniture out of like you know
3:07:06like IKEA dowels because they didn't
3:07:08have a lot of metal so like all their
3:07:10furniture was you know dowels and you
3:07:12drill a hole and you know put the dowel
3:07:14in and glue it together right um are are
3:07:17there alternate ways to build things
3:07:19that instead of you can't as a designer
3:07:21just go like Okay, more nails. Everybody
3:07:23said there's not enough nails. Put more
3:07:25nails in. Um um you have to look at it
3:07:28across the board. And wilderness runs
3:07:30are one of those. We we definitely it it
3:07:31it um you know uh definitely was a it is
3:07:36a um uh how should I say this? Like a
3:07:40specific thing that we do take into
3:07:42account uh to to uh to the detriment of
3:07:45some of my team members who are like,
3:07:47"Oh, we solved the problem." And I'm
3:07:48like, "Well, that doesn't solve it for
3:07:49the wilderness runners." Ah. ah I wasn't
3:07:52you know um yeah uh but you also you
3:07:55know people also need to grock that as
3:07:58like specifically for me as a designer
3:08:00and I've said this I said this in the um
3:08:03the duck interview I have to think about
3:08:07you know by the time someone's doing a
3:08:08wilderness run they're generally
3:08:10probably a pretty super hardcore player
3:08:13um and I have to think about not only
3:08:16the the hardcore veteran players you
3:08:19know like us that are that that play all
3:08:21the time and we we know these systems
3:08:23and we understand it. Um, but I also
3:08:25have to think about the new players and
3:08:27then kind of the, you know, the
3:08:29mid-level players that that maybe they
3:08:31play Zomboid an hour a week or an hour a
3:08:34month and and they like, uh, I just
3:08:37can't I played this a month ago. Wait,
3:08:39what was I doing? Where am I? Like, uh,
3:08:42you know, um, you know, coming back into
3:08:44things. um trying to to to to
3:08:49make things work for all of those
3:08:51players. If I only think about the
3:08:52hardcore players, then I'd be like,
3:08:55well, that's the way the UI works and it
3:08:57works fine for everybody that knows how
3:08:59it works, so I don't need to worry about
3:09:01new players anymore. Um, you know, um,
3:09:04but I do have to think about those
3:09:06people. I have to think about people
3:09:07that they open up the game and they
3:09:08like, you know, are just completely
3:09:10confused and and how do we deal with
3:09:12that? Um although that's part of the PZ
3:09:14experience to be completely confused and
3:09:16and die a lot and then learn
3:09:19>> that that is indeed the experience.
3:09:21Everybody starts out with their first
3:09:23run surviving maybe four hours and then
3:09:24being like what did I just play? So
3:09:27>> yeah. Yeah,
3:09:27>> that's very fair.
3:09:28>> Yeah. Or me uh elbow the first car
3:09:31window that you run into and then bleed
3:09:33out and going trying to figure out what
3:09:35like what
3:09:36>> Oh, I didn't know I was bleeding. That's
3:09:38what that red stuff coming out of me is.
3:09:40>> Yeah. Yeah. What is that red stuff
3:09:41coming out? What's that heartbeat sound?
3:09:43Uh, what's going on? Um, it always makes
3:09:46me laugh because that always makes me
3:09:47think of the movie um there's this movie
3:09:49Last Action Hero where Arnold
3:09:51Schwarzenegger got beamed from being
3:09:53like a he was a a movie character that
3:09:55got beamed into the real world and he
3:09:58actually does that. He walks up to a
3:09:59window and he punches it out with his
3:10:01fist and then he's like, "Oh my god,
3:10:03that hurts." [laughter]
3:10:05And uh I always I think Project Zomboid
3:10:08has a good uh a good thing of like yeah
3:10:11this is a video game but you know you're
3:10:12not a superhero like you know PE you
3:10:15watch people do it all the time in like
3:10:17first run they just they see some
3:10:19zombies they beline straight to them.
3:10:20Okay I'll just wipe out these 20 guys
3:10:22and then I'll uh you know I'll find a
3:10:24shotgun and start wait I'm dead. What?
3:10:26Um and uh that's that's always uh
3:10:30satisfying to to watch.
3:10:33Um, well, really quick, because I know
3:10:36we're coming up on the time that we said
3:10:38we agreed upon. I don't
3:10:40>> I've been talking too much. I I'm sorry.
3:10:42I burned up all the time.
3:10:43>> No, you're fine. You're I mean, listen,
3:10:45this is what we were here for. We wanted
3:10:46to have a conversation with you. Uh, I
3:10:48did have a couple more questions that I
3:10:50didn't necessarily get a chance to get
3:10:52to. Are you okay staying a little bit
3:10:54longer or?
3:10:56>> Yeah.
3:10:57>> Amazing. I will I'll try to go.
3:10:59>> You have no idea. We've already been
3:11:01doing this for almost 3 hours.
3:11:02>> This is what I said to my chat before I
3:11:04started the stream. I was like, "This
3:11:05stream is probably going to fly by." And
3:11:07yeah, I look at the clock and it's like,
3:11:09"Oh, we said we were going to stop
3:11:11around 10:30, but like if you're if
3:11:13you're willing to go a little bit
3:11:14longer, I would greatly appreciate it.
3:11:15I'm sure we would all appreciate it. I
3:11:17don't want to be greedy, though. I'm
3:11:19sure you're very busy. I'm sure it's
3:11:21getting late for you. So, I'll I'll
3:11:24rapid fire this, I guess, uh, with our
3:11:26final little bit. But before we do that,
3:11:27do you want to come over to the dining
3:11:28room?"
3:11:29>> Yeah. Yeah.
3:11:31Thought I' just been standing here
3:11:32talking and uh getting queasy.
3:11:34>> You're fine. Let me know. By the way,
3:11:36>> I'm at nauseous.
3:11:38>> Oh,
3:11:38>> I'm sure. Yeah, that's okay. I'm sure
3:11:40I'll be good.
3:11:41>> No, it's fine. It just Did you have like
3:11:43something bad to eat earlier?
3:11:44>> Oh, beautiful. It is amazing.
3:11:47>> I laid out all of the guns and ammo we
3:11:50collected from the police station
3:11:54>> here. Just as the cudigra
3:11:56Oh. Oh, wait, wait, wait. Hold on. Stay
3:11:58there for a second.
3:11:59>> Yeah, I'll stay. I'll stay.
3:12:00>> Don't go. Don't go anywhere.
3:12:02>> I got a surprise to go with it.
3:12:04>> Okay.
3:12:09>> Oh, no.
3:12:13>> Okay. Wait. I have to go out to the car.
3:12:15You're fine. I'll be right back.
3:12:16>> You go. You go to the car. I'll stay. Do
3:12:17you want me to light the fire? Cuz I was
3:12:18thinking of lighting this.
3:12:19>> Yeah. Yeah. That that that'll be nice
3:12:21mood.
3:12:22>> That'll tie it all together. I actually
3:12:24ran off while you were chatting. I drove
3:12:26all the way out to the police station
3:12:28just to get a matchbox and I nearly died
3:12:29like twice.
3:12:31>> That's hilarious. I'm standing there
3:12:32just talking to myself in the in the
3:12:34kitchen by myself. [laughter]
3:12:40>> Open.
3:12:43>> I'll wait right here.
3:12:45>> It is getting a little spooky out, but
3:12:46again, we're so safe inside this
3:12:48building now. We have all the barricades
3:12:49up.
3:12:50>> It's cozy.
3:12:51>> It is. Oh,
3:12:54>> today must be your lucky day, boss.
3:12:57>> That
3:12:59where did I put?
3:13:01Wait, where did I put it?
3:13:08What?
3:13:10I constantly lose things.
3:13:13>> I am the same way. I drop things in a
3:13:16box and I tell myself, "Okay, I'm going
3:13:18to put this here." I come back a day
3:13:20later when I need it. Where did I put
3:13:21it?
3:13:22>> Yeah, exactly. Okay. All right. Well,
3:13:27did I Did I drop it? Hold on.
3:13:30>> What were you trying to get, if you
3:13:31don't mind me asking? Is it meant to be
3:13:32a surprise?
3:13:33>> Uh, yeah. Well, I had a nice little
3:13:35beautiful wine glass and I was going to
3:13:37pour you a glass. I'm I gave that away,
3:13:40but that's okay. Hold on. Uh, I'm going
3:13:41to do this.
3:13:42>> Oh my god, Sarin. I think it's on the
3:13:44table right now.
3:13:45>> Oh, is it? Okay. I was I was in the
3:13:47middle of placing it. Well, hold on.
3:13:49Yeah, I I must have clicked place. Ah,
3:13:52there it is. Okay,
3:13:56pick that up.
3:13:59Oh, and of course, I put it in my
3:14:00backpack.
3:14:02Oh, no, I didn't. Okay,
3:14:05put that into transfer liquid, which now
3:14:08auto default def faults to actually
3:14:10transferring the liquid instead of not
3:14:13>> a nice a nice update. That was a
3:14:16community suggestion and and it was like
3:14:17it was one of those like Oh yeah, that
3:14:20makes sense. Why? OH, I DRANK IT. AH,
3:14:22NO. HOLD ON. [laughter]
3:14:24OKAY, WAIT. I'll refill it. I got more.
3:14:26I got more. I'm back.
3:14:28>> I double clicked.
3:14:29>> Do you have a second wine glass? Do you
3:14:31want to like drink together or
3:14:34>> Well, I just drank some. So, there we
3:14:36go. There is yours. It It's just got
3:14:38beer in it because apparently Oh, wait.
3:14:40I'm gonna I'm gonna creepily [laughter]
3:14:42>> Wait, what's that? Are you okay? tried
3:14:44to Yeah, I tried to place it. Uh, and it
3:14:47was trying to walk into you. Okay, there
3:14:49we go.
3:14:49>> I've noticed that happening a little bit
3:14:51when I go to place something. Uh, it
3:14:53wants to auto walk to like a square
3:14:55over.
3:14:56>> Yeah, it's trying to get It's trying to
3:14:58get to the It's the auto walk. It's
3:14:59detecting It's It's detecting that
3:15:01you're just far, especially when you're
3:15:02caddy corner on a tile. It's trying to
3:15:05walk and align you to actually put that.
3:15:07It's so that you can do it from far
3:15:08away, but sometimes it gets a little
3:15:10wonky.
3:15:11>> Okay. Is is that something you guys are
3:15:13working on, I guess, or is that
3:15:15>> It'll be on the list. Yeah, it's on the
3:15:17It's on the list.
3:15:18>> It's on the list. All right. Um Well,
3:15:20thank you so much for that delicious
3:15:21drink. If you want to sit down, we can
3:15:22continue our conversation and uh if
3:15:25you're getting nauseous, I mean, I don't
3:15:28know how you feel about turning into a
3:15:30Zomboid, but maybe at the end we can um
3:15:32put you out of your misery and bury you.
3:15:34I actually found a shovel.
3:15:35>> That'd be good.
3:15:36>> Okay. [laughter]
3:15:39>> Classic. That's classic. We can
3:15:42>> stage we didn't stage it everybody. I
3:15:44literally like got bit on accident and
3:15:48uh yeah,
3:15:49>> that was not I So I'll I'll say this.
3:15:53The original ending I was going to have
3:15:54is I was going to have an admin spawn in
3:15:57like a hundred zombies in front of our
3:15:59base and we would just go down fighting.
3:16:00But this is even better. So
3:16:02>> I think it is. It's It's apppropo.
3:16:04>> Yeah. Oh, that's a good qu. Would you
3:16:06like to be cremated or buried? Cuz I got
3:16:07a shovel just to bury you. But we can do
3:16:09either. We do. You got to go with
3:16:11bearings. So, I uh I my my original run
3:16:15back in build 41 when I first started um
3:16:18I I was uh I I didn't know that you
3:16:20actually I it took me a while to learn
3:16:23that you uh if you just hit new
3:16:25character, it started a new character in
3:16:27the same world. So, it was like a total
3:16:28surprise to me when I ran over um you
3:16:31know, ran across one of my old
3:16:33characters. And from then on, I it was a
3:16:35mission in life. Every time I died and
3:16:37started a new character, I would have to
3:16:40track down my old character. Um, you
3:16:43know, uh, put, you know, put them out of
3:16:45their misery, put them in the trunk,
3:16:46drive them back, and then how they died
3:16:49based I I placed a little thing on their
3:16:51grave based on how they died. Um Um,
3:16:56>> that's kind of cute.
3:16:57>> Yeah. Yeah. So, some of them would, like
3:16:59the ones I accidentally burned, set
3:17:01myself on fire, it'd have a little
3:17:02lighter. Um, you know, something like
3:17:04that. If they went down in melee combat,
3:17:06I'd put a baseball bat on their grave
3:17:08and and I think I had like 20 the graves
3:17:10got so build I was down on the old
3:17:12Twiggies at the old Twiggies bar or not
3:17:14Twiggies the the rusty round what the
3:17:17the bar at the south of Moldra. I had to
3:17:19expand my gated area to make room for
3:17:22more grapes. [laughter]
3:17:26>> Dude, I typically whenever I die, I just
3:17:28start a new world. I'm not personally a
3:17:30fan of going in.
3:17:32>> Yeah, that's what I do now. Yeah, that's
3:17:34now
3:17:34>> cuz another issue too is like if it's
3:17:36midday or like getting nighttime, I
3:17:38spawn in, especially late in a
3:17:40playthrough, it's like power's off. I'm
3:17:42in this random building. It's cold. It's
3:17:45dark. It's like I would rather just
3:17:46start a random playthrough at that
3:17:48point. But
3:17:49>> yeah,
3:17:49>> uh that's that's very funny.
3:17:52>> Um I'm going to go ahead. I'm going to
3:17:53shoot off a couple questions. Uh if you
3:17:56want to kind of rapid fire the answers,
3:17:58if you want to be a little bit quicker
3:17:59on them, that's completely fine with me.
3:18:01But if you want to go into detail,
3:18:02that's also okay.
3:18:04>> Um,
3:18:05>> to go back really quick on Build 42's
3:18:08unstable development cycle, obviously
3:18:11there's been a lot of updates and
3:18:13changes throughout the two years it's
3:18:14been in the works. I'm curious though,
3:18:17is there anything that you guys were
3:18:20working on that maybe you loved, you
3:18:23were experimenting with it, but
3:18:25inevitably for one reason or another
3:18:28just didn't make the cut?
3:18:30Uh yeah, a few different things. Um
3:18:33uh I I'd say one easy uh one easy take
3:18:38is kind of the um expansion of the
3:18:41workstation concept. Um so while
3:18:44workstations as a feature is implemented
3:18:47um the idea behind that um system is
3:18:51that it would allow interactions of
3:18:54different ways with different things.
3:18:56for example, an espresso machine, um uh
3:19:00the soda the soda machine, um various
3:19:03different things like that. So that you
3:19:05we could we could use that workstation
3:19:07um uh interaction system to have, you
3:19:11know, interacting with um uh soda
3:19:14dispensers be more like interacting, you
3:19:17know, you don't walk up to a soda
3:19:18dispenser, you know, soda selling
3:19:20machine and just open it and, you know,
3:19:22take sodas out. you put money into it
3:19:24and things come out. Um uh so looking at
3:19:28those tile interactions uh across the
3:19:30board of things that players that should
3:19:34be interactable uh but aren't. Uh that's
3:19:37one of the big things um that that kind
3:19:40of didn't, you know, dealing with the
3:19:42the challenges with workstations and and
3:19:44and and crafting and interaction and all
3:19:46that didn't get as fleshed out uh as as
3:19:49we wanted it to. that'll that'll that'll
3:19:52uh ideally be addressed in the future.
3:19:54>> Okay. I remember reading that in a blog
3:19:57post a long long time ago. I remember
3:19:59seeing like a a mock version of what
3:20:02that might be specifically with the
3:20:03vending machine where it was like you
3:20:04see like a keypad and you have to type
3:20:06in the number and then insert a dollar.
3:20:09>> So that's what you're talking about
3:20:11there with that.
3:20:12>> Yeah, exactly. Yeah, I think there is a
3:20:14prototype uh somewhere that was one of
3:20:16the early prototypes that was was done
3:20:18to explore that system and it You know,
3:20:20again, not not saying that, you know,
3:20:23it'll be this way or that way, but
3:20:25things like, you know, potentially
3:20:26keypads on uh security doors where you
3:20:29could potentially find a instead of
3:20:31having to find a key, you find the uh
3:20:33you know, a notepad in, you know, the
3:20:35cop's uh uh loot in the inside that
3:20:38building that has the key uh keypad and
3:20:40and interacting with it that way. So,
3:20:42there's a few different varieties like
3:20:44an espresso machine. I actually have I
3:20:46don't actually understand how espresso
3:20:47machines really work. But however
3:20:50espresso machines work so you can you
3:20:52know add your foam and and do fancy
3:20:54little things like that. Um you know
3:20:56expanding on that is is one thing that
3:20:58that that didn't get didn't get into
3:21:00build 42.
3:21:02>> Understood. Um well another thing that
3:21:04I'm personally interested in
3:21:07obviously Indie Stone they've been
3:21:09working on Zomboid forever. All right.
3:21:11They've been doing it for years and
3:21:13years and years. But I've noticed over
3:21:16the last few years, you guys have been
3:21:17slowly branching out a little bit.
3:21:19You've been doing some merch through
3:21:21Messhift. You've been doing some
3:21:24collaborations with other games,
3:21:25specifically Terraria, having Spifo in
3:21:28Terraria. Um, and I'm just curious if
3:21:32that's something players are going to
3:21:34continue seeing in the upcoming future
3:21:36and maybe even some developments into
3:21:39things outside of gaming. Have you guys
3:21:41considered like a Project Zomboid TV
3:21:43show or like a comic book series or
3:21:45anything like that?
3:21:46>> It's funny. We get we get asked that a
3:21:48lot and actually I mean um uh I'll put
3:21:52my marketing hat. We actually announced
3:21:54a uh a Steam bundle with Rim World uh
3:21:56yesterday. Uh so if you don't have
3:21:58either, you can get 20% off uh both Rim
3:22:00World and Project Zomboid. Um but you
3:22:03know one of the cool things about um uh
3:22:06TIS is is they are truly independent
3:22:10right? Um as my character cross
3:22:13[laughter] um you know so you know they
3:22:16you know the the the the founders that
3:22:18that that that that own and run the
3:22:20company you know have the power to do
3:22:22those things. And if if you don't think
3:22:24that Project Zomboid has not been
3:22:25approached by um you know people that
3:22:28want to do merch and stuff like that in
3:22:30the past um or or cross collaborations,
3:22:33it absolutely has happened. But um I
3:22:36will say that um you know they're very
3:22:38protective um of you know making sure
3:22:42trying to make sure that that anything
3:22:44like that it respects um uh you know
3:22:48Project Zomboid as um you know as as um
3:22:52an entity that's been created uh both by
3:22:55them and that and and with you know
3:22:57alongside the community that stuck with
3:22:59it so long and um you know
3:23:02>> uh so so anything like that would be
3:23:04relatively conservative. Um, uh, there
3:23:07are some maybe things like the, uh, like
3:23:10like the Terraria crossover that we may
3:23:12be seeing in the in in in the mid
3:23:15future. I won't say near future. Um, uh,
3:23:18but, uh, you know, it's definitely
3:23:20things that are on the table. Um, uh,
3:23:22there's been people that have have been
3:23:23interested in above it. I can't give any
3:23:25specifics obviously. Obviously,
3:23:27>> um, but, uh, you know, it would be
3:23:29really cool. I think I think Zomboid I
3:23:32think one of the things that was really
3:23:33fascinating to me was sitting down with
3:23:37um you know the founders in England and
3:23:40talking to them you know and professing
3:23:43my like to me Zomboid is up in those you
3:23:48know high tier impacts as a zombie fan I
3:23:51love zombie content I love zombie movies
3:23:53I always have I'm kind of down in the
3:23:56like dregs of like the bottom of Amazon
3:23:58Prime of like Oh, I should watch this
3:24:00new zombie movie. Oh, it's one of those
3:24:02that's like a student film filmed on a
3:24:04on a iPhone like, "Oh gosh, this is so
3:24:06terrible." Um, and then of course, you
3:24:09know, devastated by things like um uh
3:24:13well, I shouldn't call people out and
3:24:15say negative thing, but maybe some
3:24:16Hollywood productions of of big things
3:24:18of maybe like a book that you read that
3:24:20you're like, "What is this?" Um but uh
3:24:24so I want to be respectful of that. But
3:24:26but you know uh you know I you know when
3:24:30I talk to them about the impact that
3:24:32Zomboid had on me as a player, not not
3:24:34just as a designer, but me as a player
3:24:36and the world that's been created. It's
3:24:38bigger than just an isometric zombie
3:24:40game. You know, Spiffos and the lore and
3:24:43the background. Like this is a real
3:24:45world that's been created by this team.
3:24:47And um you know uh you know I guess I'll
3:24:50go back to the key point of you know
3:24:52wanting that anything like that you know
3:24:55external stuff always want to to uh be
3:24:58respectful of that legacy uh that the
3:25:00team created.
3:25:02>> I think that's amazing quite frankly
3:25:05that you guys are so committed to
3:25:08protecting and making sure it's like
3:25:10authentic if you were to do a project
3:25:12like that because like you mentioned
3:25:15this is an incredible world. you guys
3:25:17have built the amount of lore that
3:25:19another thing that I love about this
3:25:20game too, speaking on the lore, it is
3:25:23the type of lore where if you don't care
3:25:25about the lore and the story line, you
3:25:26don't have to touch it at all. You can
3:25:28ignore all the TV shows, you can ignore
3:25:30the flyers, you can ignore everything
3:25:32and just play the game. Or you can be an
3:25:35insane collector and you can go after
3:25:37every single brochure, read all the
3:25:39random notes in the game, check out and
3:25:42find all the random radio broadcasts
3:25:44that play on the radios. And that's
3:25:46something that I personally love and
3:25:48that's part of the reason I play
3:25:49Zomboids so much this day is just
3:25:51building out my own little characters
3:25:52and kind of just like seeing how they
3:25:54fare in these worlds. So, uh, I love
3:25:58that. I think a lot of people based on
3:26:00the chat reaction would love a TV show
3:26:02or a movie of Zomboids. So, if you ever
3:26:06want to do that, you let them know that
3:26:09we would love [snorts] that, but of
3:26:10course at your own pace if ever.
3:26:12>> Hollywood, call me. But uh but it's got
3:26:15to be the right thing. [laughter]
3:26:20>> Um well, another question really quick
3:26:22and this will be my last one personally
3:26:24before I open up questions from the
3:26:26viewers. Uh and and we'll kind of wrap
3:26:28it up there. Um a console version of
3:26:32Zomboid. That is something whenever I
3:26:34play Zomboid and I'm streaming,
3:26:36>> one of the most common questions, can I
3:26:37get this on Xbox? Can I get this on
3:26:39PlayStation? I always have to tell them
3:26:41>> no. Sadly, no.
3:26:44>> No, no.
3:26:44>> Will we ever see Zomboid on console?
3:26:48>> Um,
3:26:50I want to say so there's two answers to
3:26:53that. One, there's the the technical
3:26:56aspect of the the the code base and and
3:26:59the way the code is built does do have
3:27:02some barriers to console. Um, you know,
3:27:04the the the game uh was built with with
3:27:07Java and Lewis. So there there's some
3:27:09intricacies with how you you know the
3:27:12the consoles work just on a fundamental
3:27:15level. Uh that would take uh some
3:27:18engineer you know some I say some
3:27:20engineering work that would takes quite
3:27:22a bit of of of engineering work. It's
3:27:24it's not the case of like um you know
3:27:27press console button uh you know export
3:27:29to uh you know uh PlayStation or
3:27:32anything like that. So there would be
3:27:33technical hurdles. Um, you know, there's
3:27:36also the um the consideration that that
3:27:39has to be taken into account of, you
3:27:41know, when would be the right time to do
3:27:43that. Is it 1.0? Is it right before 1.0?
3:27:48Um, it's not something again, you know,
3:27:51coming back to, you know, respecting the
3:27:55our fire went out.
3:27:57>> I'll fix that. respecting the legacy of
3:27:58the work. You know, we don't we we we
3:28:01have no desire to, you know, just do a
3:28:05port of some game built in Unreal Engine
3:28:08that has a Zomboid label on it that is
3:28:11actually just a completely different
3:28:12game that kind of looks like it, right?
3:28:15Um I I think um if we were to do a
3:28:19console version, I'm not ruling it out
3:28:20and I'm not ruling it like saying like,
3:28:23"Yeah, November uh it'll be on Xbox
3:28:25Live." Um um you know uh that's I know
3:28:31that's kind of vague um but that's I
3:28:33think the best answer uh that I can
3:28:35give.
3:28:36>> So
3:28:37just to kind of because that was a lot
3:28:39for some people just to recap
3:28:41essentially. No no you're fine. You're
3:28:42fine. It's something you guys would love
3:28:45to do. It's just a matter of
3:28:47>> it's a lot of work. It's not as simple
3:28:50as people would imagine and it's also
3:28:53just got to be done the right way.
3:28:56Yeah, I think that sums it up pretty
3:28:58well. Absolutely.
3:28:59>> Perfect. So maybe one day, and I'm
3:29:01assuming that that also ties into
3:29:02mobile, maybe one day a mobile version
3:29:04if we can.
3:29:07>> Yeah, it would be Yeah, having the same
3:29:08constraints, right? Um uh obviously
3:29:12there's Yeah, I have to I have to stop
3:29:15myself as a developer and start getting
3:29:16into mobile. Like what do you mean by
3:29:19mobile? Which which platform? Which uh
3:29:20how how how deep you know? [laughter]
3:29:23No, no, understood.
3:29:24>> How much how much RAM is in your phone?
3:29:27>> Uh, five, I think. Maybe. [laughter]
3:29:30>> Um, no. That that makes perfect sense to
3:29:32me. Um, understandable cuz I again I've
3:29:37kind of understood that. I've tried to
3:29:38explain to people that idea where it's
3:29:40like you're not making this in something
3:29:42like Unity where you can basically press
3:29:44a couple buttons and it spits out a
3:29:45console version. It would have to be uh
3:29:49what some people in chat have said a
3:29:50moment ago, kind of like a Minecraft
3:29:52bedrock moment where it's like you have
3:29:53to redo
3:29:55almost everything to get it to run on
3:29:58the console essentially.
3:30:00Yeah, there's there's there's some
3:30:02fundamental uh you know underlying uh
3:30:04technological standpoint, but but I mean
3:30:06even if um for the controller players
3:30:09out there, you know, when we um I
3:30:12started working on well I didn't do it
3:30:15um our our amazing engineers uh started
3:30:18working on um the the controller rework
3:30:22um in January um based on we had to you
3:30:25know we had some fundamental changes to
3:30:27the aiming system from B41. So, we
3:30:29needed to adapt the controller to adapt
3:30:30that. Then that led to other things and
3:30:32people weren't happy with that. And then
3:30:34it it kind of led into finally at a
3:30:37certain point I was just like, we just
3:30:38need to do fully customizable
3:30:39controllers because we're not going to
3:30:41get this to a state that like makes
3:30:43everybody happy because, you know, one
3:30:45of the challenges with Zomboid is it
3:30:47doesn't fit a mold, right? You can't
3:30:48just go out and say, you know, if you're
3:30:50making a shooter tomorrow, you can go
3:30:52out and be like, "Hey, should we go with
3:30:53the Call of Duty control scheme or the
3:30:55Halo control scheme? Which one should we
3:30:57use?" Um, you you can't do that with
3:30:59Project Zomboid. You have to think about
3:31:01all the different interactions, all the
3:31:03different ways, like you know, I mean,
3:31:04if someone, you know, went uh, you know,
3:31:07uh, ported Arma to consoles and was
3:31:09like, "Oh, I'm just going to, you know,
3:31:11implement all the Arma controls onto a
3:31:13console controller." Like, that in and
3:31:15of itself um was a huge um, a huge lift
3:31:19um that I'm very um, you know, uh, I
3:31:22don't want to I don't want to name
3:31:23people just because I don't know if they
3:31:24want to be named. I try not to, but um
3:31:26the the two the the engineer that took
3:31:28the lead and the tester that took the
3:31:30lead on um you know channeling the
3:31:32community feedback and giving feedback,
3:31:33they they really busted their asses on
3:31:36on that controller stuff and really got
3:31:38it into into into shape in in just a few
3:31:40months. So, I'm really thankful to them.
3:31:42Um but that's that's like a tiny
3:31:44microcosm of um you know uh the work to
3:31:48get it onto consoles.
3:31:50Well, thank you so much for Peak Behind
3:31:52the Hood and thank you again for all
3:31:54your work on controller because I'm sure
3:31:55the Steam Deck players adore it.
3:31:58>> Uh been a lot of people recently saying
3:32:00they love playing on Steam Deck. So, um
3:32:04no, that's that's amazing. And options
3:32:06of course in any game is great. If I can
3:32:07play on control, if someone doesn't like
3:32:09keyboard and mouse for whatever reason,
3:32:11>> uh you know, having the option is is
3:32:13just good right there.
3:32:14>> Yep.
3:32:15>> So, Sarilin, I want to go ahead. I don't
3:32:18know if you have my chat open and how
3:32:20you want to do this, but
3:32:22>> uh I can I didn't cuz I was worried
3:32:25about like uh I've just been I'm I'm
3:32:27watching our fire and talking to you.
3:32:29Like I keep forgetting that there's
3:32:30other people listening to us. [laughter]
3:32:32>> It's it's it's been great to just kind
3:32:34of lock in. I've been
3:32:36>> We're on the internet.
3:32:38>> Oh my god. Oh my god. Hello.
3:32:41>> Hold on. Let me mute you. Oh, there's
3:32:43lag time.
3:32:44>> Oh, it might be a little bit delayed. It
3:32:46might be like a couple seconds, but
3:32:47>> that's okay. Now I see the chat.
3:32:49>> All right. Um, well, I'm going to let
3:32:51you kind of take over. If you have a
3:32:53question that you see in chat that you
3:32:55want to answer, feel free, but I would
3:32:58love if we can alternate because there
3:33:00are some questions I got yesterday from
3:33:02people who aren't able to join today
3:33:03that I think it would be good to mix in.
3:33:05If you want to kind of rapid fire them
3:33:07so we can get through as many as
3:33:08possible,
3:33:09>> uh,
3:33:10>> I would love that, Sarin. So feel free
3:33:12if you see a question you want to answer
3:33:13in the chat right now, go ahead.
3:33:16>> Yeah, I'll just grab the first one that
3:33:18was up. So, uh, Carlos, uh, Vakos, have
3:33:21you ever seen anything about introducing
3:33:23extreme weather events such as blizzards
3:33:25and heat waves? Yes, I have thought
3:33:27about that extensively. Um, and one of
3:33:30the things I'd like to do in the future,
3:33:32it's kind of a broader thing, but look
3:33:34at some of the sandbox options uh to
3:33:37introduce uh some more extreme things uh
3:33:40into that. uh they could lead into
3:33:41potential new game modes. I know again
3:33:43some modders have done some really cool
3:33:45stuff um uh with weather events and I
3:33:48think um there's some underlying systems
3:33:51um that that that would need to be done
3:33:52to support that but but I' I'd love to
3:33:55play with some some crazy weather stuff
3:33:57um even crazier than you can get now.
3:34:00>> Awesome. Awesome. Crazy weather would be
3:34:02lit. Uh, on my end, I have a question
3:34:04from Derp, who actually is in the chat
3:34:07right now, but they ask, "What games or
3:34:10game genres do you like playing outside
3:34:13of Zomboid?"
3:34:14>> Oh, that's a good question. Um, so I
3:34:16used to be a super hardcore tactical
3:34:19shooter player. Um, uh, I grew up on
3:34:22shooter. I grew up on shooters and RTS's
3:34:24was kind of my bread and butter. Um, I
3:34:27play shooters less now. I mainly play
3:34:30shooters on console. Um, mainly because
3:34:32when I had to make the shift as a
3:34:34designer to shooters on console, I got
3:34:35used to playing with shooters on console
3:34:37and now shooters on PC feel weird for
3:34:39me. Um, so, um, and I'm I am definitely
3:34:43stuck between how much time I can get to
3:34:46my own play time because I also have to
3:34:47play with my son. Um, I was just playing
3:34:50Hell Divers with him yesterday and he
3:34:51was calling me a noob. Um, I was playing
3:34:54on Xbox and he was on PC and he was
3:34:57talking smack and I was like, "Bro, like
3:34:59I was I was literally doing this before
3:35:02you were cons even a a a twinkle in your
3:35:05parents' eyes." But anyway, um, so um I
3:35:09I I still really like Fallout 4. I I
3:35:12love to get back in. I I manage the same
3:35:15damn settlements I've been managing
3:35:16forever, and I go on loot runs in
3:35:18Fallout 4, even though I know it's
3:35:20pointless. I don't need any more uh
3:35:22stuff. I've got everything maxed out. Um
3:35:24I should do a a video run of all my
3:35:26settlements in Fallout. Um Battletech, I
3:35:29really like um the Hairbrain scheme.
3:35:31Battletech. I've been in Battletech
3:35:33forever. I think Hairbrain screams um
3:35:36adaptation of Battletech to PC is Chef's
3:35:39Kiss. One of the most amazing um
3:35:42adaptations of a tabletop uh board game.
3:35:45also play Battletech in the uh PC
3:35:47simulator which is called um oh what the
3:35:50heck's it called? Mech lab mech uh it's
3:35:53like mech. It's a Java like simulation
3:35:56of the P of the board game um open
3:35:58source. Um
3:36:01and I play Fortnite every once in a
3:36:03while, but mainly with my son play duos.
3:36:06I'm not good at Fortnite at all. Um and
3:36:09then every once in a while I'll jump
3:36:10into some uh some some Halo here and
3:36:13there. Um,
3:36:15uh, yeah, that's that's that's probably
3:36:17my gambit for right now. Uh, oh, AoE2
3:36:20HD, um, definitive edition. Still love
3:36:23that. Um, and someone's working on
3:36:26someone's working on a really cool it's
3:36:28an indie game that's that's clearly
3:36:30inspired by Command and Conquer. I'm not
3:36:32sure if they said that. I'm not sure if
3:36:34it's out yet, but I I need to go check
3:36:36that one out. Um, and uh, and then I
3:36:39need to pick I need to check out Rim
3:36:40World. I haven't played it yet. Um, I
3:36:42just got a code for it uh this week and
3:36:45I'm going to check out Rim World, too.
3:36:47>> Sick. I Well, it's perfect because
3:36:49again, like you said, Rim World 20% off
3:36:51with the bundle.
3:36:52>> Yeah, I hear it's 20% off.
3:36:53>> Oh my god, that's crazy.
3:36:55>> In a sweet bundle.
3:36:57>> Is the Steam sale going on still or no?
3:37:00>> Uh, we Well, we launched uh I'm not sure
3:37:02about the Steam sale. I know we did a
3:37:03the bundle thing launched yesterday cuz
3:37:06we were holding the blog until the um I
3:37:09was like literally sitting there uh with
3:37:11with our community uh uh folks and we
3:37:14were like waiting for the email from the
3:37:16Rim World team and they're like okay
3:37:17that because there were some Steam rules
3:37:19they had to wait till like 10 a.m. uh u
3:37:22uh US time. And so some of our our folks
3:37:24actually stayed up late uh in the UK to
3:37:26make sure that that got launched uh on
3:37:28the 9th cuz you know yesterday was the
3:37:309th. So we wanted it out uh then.
3:37:33>> Very fair. Um if you have another
3:37:36question in the chat that you want to
3:37:37take control, I'm let you choose of
3:37:39course whatever.
3:37:40>> Let's see. Uh tameable animals or
3:37:44breedable animals? Um,
3:37:48I'm assuming that means more like pets.
3:37:50Uh, this is the way. Uh, 1212 34. Uh,
3:37:54will there be tameable animals or
3:37:56breedable animals? I'm guessing you're
3:37:58you're talking more about dogs and cats
3:38:00kind of thing. Um, uh, you know, you can
3:38:02obviously, uh, if if you haven't used
3:38:05your trapping skills to catch some sweet
3:38:07sweet rabbits and, uh, breed them, I
3:38:10would recommend looking into it. Um, as
3:38:13far as things like pets, uh, cats and
3:38:15dogs, um, that may be in the future. Um,
3:38:20uh, although I I've been really enjoying
3:38:22watching the modders making cats and
3:38:25dogs and them going completely insane.
3:38:27Um, so, um, but expanding the animal
3:38:31system, uh, uh, is something I want to
3:38:33look at.
3:38:34>> You, you bring up cats and dogs. Are you
3:38:36aware of, uh, Freilith and the work
3:38:38they've done?
3:38:40Um, I've seen, well, I've seen the the
3:38:43video of the creepy German Shepherd like
3:38:45turning into his head and climbing over
3:38:47a fence. Um, I've seen some of it. I'm
3:38:50not sure if that's their
3:38:51>> I think that was build 41 before animals
3:38:53were even a thing. Uh, but Freigh is
3:38:56working on a dog mod and also they made
3:38:59a mod called Project Meowid which just
3:39:02adds in cats to the game.
3:39:05>> Awesome. Awesome. If we do cats, they
3:39:07have to be like real cats so they just
3:39:09hate you and whine and complain all the
3:39:12time. And
3:39:13>> if you add cats, see how all the ammo is
3:39:16stacked up on our table? I need to come
3:39:18home and see all of it on the ground if
3:39:19there's a cat.
3:39:20>> Yeah, exactly.
3:39:21>> Oh my god. Oh my god. Uh
3:39:24>> I wasn't expecting that. Dear God.
3:39:26>> Oh no.
3:39:26>> No. No. Sarillin, why?
3:39:30>> Oh, I got to screenshot this.
3:39:32>> No,
3:39:34I didn't expect this. in the middle of
3:39:36our interview.
3:39:39Um, I'll I'll make sure you go out in a
3:39:42moment. Hold on. I'll I'll
3:39:43>> Hey, chat. Should Beaver murder me?
3:39:46>> Oh, that You know what? Let chat decide.
3:39:48Do I let you live in this room for the
3:39:50rest of your eternity? Is this now your
3:39:52tomb? Perhaps.
3:39:59Get bit in solidarity. Oh dear. Do I get
3:40:01bit in solidarity?
3:40:05>> [laughter]
3:40:06>> Do you want a little nibble? Like I can
3:40:07I I'm fine giving you a little nibble if
3:40:09you want.
3:40:10>> It's It's chat's call. I'm I'm I'm I'm
3:40:12putting I'm putting it in their hands.
3:40:14>> Oh, a lot of people are saying I should
3:40:17get that. Okay. Um tell you what, I will
3:40:20allow that then. [snorts] Let me just
3:40:22remove my clothing so that you can get a
3:40:24more juicy taste, I suppose.
3:40:29[snorts]
3:40:31>> So now I can say that Beaver took off
3:40:33his clothes and let me bite him. That's
3:40:35I'm going to remember that.
3:40:36>> Okay. Yeah. Oh, there you go. That was a
3:40:39bite right away. Wow. First attempt you
3:40:41Oh, are you calm now? Oh, no.
3:40:43>> I thought for a second you were
3:40:44satiated. Apparently not. No.
3:40:47I'm I'm going to let you just go to
3:40:48town. I'm going to let this happen.
3:40:51And then we'll be Yeah, as everybody is
3:40:53saying in chat, we'll be Zomboid friends
3:40:55forever. So, PERFECT.
3:41:00>> UM,
3:41:02I'll just wait for this. You're taking a
3:41:04while.
3:41:08>> You are You are letting this drag on.
3:41:10>> Where's your health at? [laughter]
3:41:11>> Uh, it's about to go down to zero. But I
3:41:15was a trooper.
3:41:15>> There we go.
3:41:16>> I was a trooper.
3:41:23>> Wow. You're still nibbling upon me even
3:41:24though I am now a zombie.
3:41:26>> Now you can send me a giant email about
3:41:27how uh uh armor sucks. [laughter]
3:41:35Oh my gosh. Is this our life now? Are
3:41:38you just going to be eating from my leg?
3:41:40>> I guess so.
3:41:41>> Oh, okay. I might be stuck under the
3:41:45table. That might be what's happening. I
3:41:46[laughter] don't know. In which case,
3:41:48yeah, this is just so kind of a weird
3:41:50situation to be in, but that's fine.
3:41:52>> Okay. Awkward. I think this is a HR
3:41:55violation.
3:41:56>> Uh, well, I don't work for Indone, so
3:41:59>> that's true. That's true. It's okay to
3:42:01snack on uh uh YouTubers and streamers
3:42:04legs.
3:42:05>> That's okay. Every now and then a little
3:42:06nibble is all right within moderation.
3:42:09>> All right, where were we? Uh I will
3:42:11caveat though. Pets obviously we have to
3:42:13be uh have to worry we have to be
3:42:15considerate about some uh uh
3:42:20some people may not want that right like
3:42:22there there has to be sandbox option and
3:42:24thoughts about that kind of stuff.
3:42:26Um, I am technically cheating with this
3:42:29question because it is not from a
3:42:31viewer. It's one of my closest friends,
3:42:32but he is an absolute Halo afficionado.
3:42:36He loves Halo and uh, he's going to
3:42:39murder me if I do not ask you this after
3:42:41he found out that you were working on
3:42:43Reach.
3:42:45What exactly was the overall design
3:42:47philosophy behind Reach? And how did you
3:42:51find a way to help it stick out on its
3:42:53own while also feeling like a proper
3:42:57Halo game?
3:42:58>> Wow, that is a huge loaded question that
3:43:01I I I can't really address in a in a
3:43:03rapid fire issue, but you know, the the
3:43:07kind of overall approach was was
3:43:08twofold. One was a more grounded Halo um
3:43:14while still within the the Halo
3:43:16universe. And the example I always used
3:43:18internally that Halo 1 was a space ep.
3:43:21Halo 1 through 3 was an epic. It was
3:43:24Star Wars. It was um and in a military
3:43:27frame movie framework, it was the battle
3:43:29of Midway. It was it was you know the
3:43:31big high level. You're seeing what the
3:43:32generals are doing. And Reach was saving
3:43:35Private Ryan. It was the the the the
3:43:38guys and girls on the ground, you know,
3:43:41uh you know, spoiler
3:43:44alert, sacrificing everything uh so that
3:43:48eventually uh Master Chief and Cortana
3:43:50could could save the human race. Um so
3:43:53in a in a rapid fire, that's my rapid
3:43:55fire answer.
3:43:57>> Amazing. Maybe one day we'll see like a
3:43:59Haloesque VHS tape in the game. Like a
3:44:02little
3:44:02>> There you go.
3:44:03>> Perhaps a little reference. There could
3:44:05be some shout outs that might that might
3:44:06show up there. We'll see.
3:44:09>> Mr. Chief, come over here. We have to
3:44:12stop the [laughter] something. I don't
3:44:14know.
3:44:17Um that if you have another question, we
3:44:20can go as long as you would like. Again,
3:44:22I want to be so conscious of your time.
3:44:23You've already been so generous hanging
3:44:25out with this.
3:44:26>> Let's hit some more. Let's do 10 15
3:44:27minutes more if you're good with it.
3:44:29>> Sounds good. If we can rapid fire them
3:44:31though, just to make sure as many people
3:44:32get their questions as possible.
3:44:35All right, I'm gonna skim through here.
3:44:39Um, ah, uh, Mtuppy. Um,
3:44:44oh, uh, sorry, I get I have to work on
3:44:47my ADD because I I have this animated,
3:44:50uh, beaver in on the screen that is is
3:44:52talking a a different thing from what I
3:44:54hear you. Okay. MTuppy uh asked about uh
3:44:58first aid uh getting some changes
3:45:00include more in-depth illnesses such as
3:45:01parasites, dirty raw food, and maybe
3:45:04sepsis. It's funny because I actually
3:45:05use sepsis as an example of something uh
3:45:08that when we we sit down and look at the
3:45:10first aid uh kind of revamp um both from
3:45:14a skill perspective and the underlying
3:45:16systems that is actually one of the
3:45:18things that I'm really interested in
3:45:19exploring is more of long-term real uh
3:45:24medical stuff. you know, whether that be
3:45:26instead of just a wound can get infected
3:45:28and the infection causes you damage to
3:45:30die that you could have different levels
3:45:32of infection, surface level infection,
3:45:35um, you know, that that, um, could maybe
3:45:38just be a long, you know, if you if you
3:45:40get a deep cut in your leg that gets
3:45:42infected that maybe just takes a long
3:45:45time to heal and you're limping for a
3:45:46long time and you just have to deal with
3:45:48that if you didn't properly care from it
3:45:50or you were wearing, you know, [snorts]
3:45:52you know, uh, dirty clothes or whatever.
3:45:54Um, or it could uh translate into
3:45:59uh into sepsis if you don't have
3:46:01antibiotics and maybe there's multiple
3:46:03levels of antibiotics. I mean, the the
3:46:05classic Zomboid thing or
3:46:06post-apocalyptic TV show, I mean, it was
3:46:09in Jericho, it's been in Walking Dead is
3:46:11the my friend got sepsis. We have to go
3:46:14to the hospital and get the really good
3:46:16antibiotics. You know, the the
3:46:18over-the-counter, you know, um,
3:46:20antibiotics that are in the pharmacy
3:46:22aren't going to do it. we need to go.
3:46:24There's always that I don't know that's
3:46:25always kind of a trope. Um but being
3:46:27able to build emergent systems that
3:46:29support that kind of seeing I would love
3:46:31to uh explore that uh as well and and
3:46:34just looking at some things like you
3:46:35know uh again you know dirty water that
3:46:39you know maybe you can get a stomach
3:46:40virus instead of just like it might kill
3:46:42you it might not. Um, you could have,
3:46:45you know, a stomach virus that you get
3:46:47sick that you have to recover from. And
3:46:48and and and it's not just like, oh, I
3:46:51ate a burnt piece of chicken, so let's
3:46:53see if I die in the next two days.
3:46:56>> I have died to burnt food before, and it
3:46:58is always a great time.
3:46:59>> I have as well. I have as well.
3:47:02>> Um, quick question here from Mama Miki.
3:47:06What would you personally consider to be
3:47:08the hardest challenge in the current
3:47:11version of Project Zomboid? Would it be
3:47:13extinction? Is it maybe 100% sprinters
3:47:16with like some crazy mods? CDA something
3:47:19else?
3:47:21>> Um, well, there's going to Oh, I have to
3:47:24stop myself from giving away anything.
3:47:26>> Oh.
3:47:27>> Uh, right now in build 42.19,
3:47:33let me frame it like that. Um,
3:47:35>> okay.
3:47:36Uh, [laughter] I mean, obviously C, uh,
3:47:38CDDA is, you know, um, a strong one. Um,
3:47:43extinction kicks my butt uh, pretty
3:47:47hard. Um, uh, I I, you know,
3:47:53for me it's extinction. Uh uh that that
3:47:56one is is is extinction is probably at
3:47:59the upper limit of my um uh of my uh
3:48:02skill capability uh as a player. Um uh I
3:48:07did I have done some you know uh some
3:48:09some some high pop runs and I I usually
3:48:13get slaughtered um uh pretty fast. So um
3:48:17yeah, sprint and sprinters just freak me
3:48:19out, man. There's they literally make me
3:48:21jump. that scream that they make when
3:48:24they're like diving through windows. H
3:48:26so creepy. Um I I don't play it in the
3:48:29dark.
3:48:30>> Sprinters and extinction are my personal
3:48:33pick. Extinction I think the hardest
3:48:34part of Extinction is simply the fact
3:48:36when you spawn in there can be zombies
3:48:38literally already on like the windows of
3:48:40your house.
3:48:41>> Yeah. You got to be on your game like
3:48:43right off. And and what's fascinating
3:48:46about extinction is just that your call
3:48:48in that first five minutes can often
3:48:51just set the tone for everything else.
3:48:55>> Perfect. Um on Oh, well, I actually just
3:48:59did my question. Do you do you have a
3:49:00question in chat that you're seeing that
3:49:01you want to
3:49:03>> uh Let's see. Um
3:49:08um
3:49:09[sighs]
3:49:10armor cars and plows. Uh this is death
3:49:14hammer snickqi 6685.
3:49:18Uh are you going to ever add the ability
3:49:20to armor cars or add plows and stuff? Um
3:49:23I won't answer it specifically like
3:49:26that, but there is a vehicle rework in
3:49:28the future of Zomboid. Um um where it's
3:49:34not going to be in 42.20. Let me be
3:49:36clear on that. Um we actually hired um
3:49:40uh well I I shouldn't call we we hired a
3:49:43really cool vehicle uh person that is
3:49:46doing some really cool stuff with
3:49:48vehicles. Um and I'm really excited to
3:49:50to to see where that goes. Uh that's my
3:49:54uh I'm in PR mode again. That's my PR
3:49:56mode qu answer to that question.
3:49:58>> No worries. Well, we'll have to be on
3:50:01the lookout for that question from Tuck.
3:50:04Do you like West Point?
3:50:08>> Uh,
3:50:10>> the fact you had to think right away is
3:50:11a great start.
3:50:12>> Honestly, no. No, I don't like West
3:50:15Point. [laughter]
3:50:16Like, I just
3:50:17>> it's it's um
3:50:20>> uh to me it's a Well, okay, I'll frame
3:50:22it this way. when I was doing uh one of
3:50:25the things early on that I did before I
3:50:27got hired uh when I was working
3:50:29consulting was I was doing a bunch of
3:50:32firearms uh testing for the early
3:50:35feedback on the on the firearm system
3:50:37and I forced myself to spawn in in West
3:50:39Point for that whole like weeks and
3:50:42weeks and weeks I was just uh I was
3:50:43spawning in into West Point giving
3:50:45myself guns and just shooting the hell
3:50:47out of tons of zeds
3:50:49>> and like West Point is like it's so
3:50:52challenging
3:50:54But
3:50:56like
3:50:57>> there's no value that I feel I get out
3:50:59of that challenge is my opinion.
3:51:02>> I could go to any other town and get the
3:51:04same gear with less work.
3:51:06>> Yeah, I feel like West Point is made for
3:51:10a challenge for veteran players. Like
3:51:13like it is in I I've never cleared West
3:51:16Point. Like I have literally cleared
3:51:17Mold Draw down to the Zed. I've cleared
3:51:21obviously Rosewood um you know some of
3:51:24those other smaller towns Echron um but
3:51:28uh you know um outside of you know
3:51:31hitting Stendos and the Gigamart I do
3:51:34love the way the Gigamart is placed
3:51:36there because you can kind of get into
3:51:37the Gigamart and and get out like if
3:51:40you're heading up to LB. Um, so that's
3:51:42usually how I hit West Point, I think,
3:51:45because I've just every time I go into
3:51:47West Point, it goes incredibly badly. So
3:51:51badly, so quickly that I just tend to
3:51:53avoid it. I think I have like some kind
3:51:55of like um block from it. [laughter]
3:51:58>> Okay.
3:52:00Um,
3:52:01>> but I love the artwork that was done by
3:52:03the art team. Let me be clear on that.
3:52:06I will say this, uh, West Point, in my
3:52:09opinion, is the best town in the game
3:52:10that has point in the name. So, you
3:52:14know,
3:52:14>> there you go.
3:52:15>> There, there you go. That's a great
3:52:16answer. Great way to put it.
3:52:20[sighs and gasps]
3:52:21>> All right. Um, are the t This is
3:52:24actually a really good question, um,
3:52:26from from BAM 1776
3:52:29250th. Um, are the different towns
3:52:32actually meant to be different levels of
3:52:33difficulty? Um ye yes um it's not you
3:52:40know difficulty in Zomboid is such a
3:52:42challenge you know when I was working on
3:52:44the game modes a lot of people were like
3:52:46why isn't there just easy medium hard
3:52:48like why do these different game modes
3:52:50like why do I and I've seen people say
3:52:52that online too like why have you know
3:52:54canon extinction outbreak and builder
3:52:57and one of the reasons that I didn't
3:52:59want to do that is one what makes
3:53:01Zomboid hard for one person is going to
3:53:05be completely different from what makes
3:53:06it hard for a different person. Someone
3:53:09could be super lead at combat and just
3:53:11be really good at clearing eds but you
3:53:14know not you know be able to or you know
3:53:18organize or plan or think about things.
3:53:20Um and someone might be a great planner
3:53:23but just might not have the dexterity to
3:53:25do combat. So you it it make it makes it
3:53:28really hard to kind of plan out that
3:53:30difficulty level.
3:53:32However, um you know, you do see, you
3:53:35know, Rosewood tends to be lighter, a
3:53:38little bit cozier experience um but with
3:53:42a little less loot um than, you know,
3:53:44some place like West Point. I mean, uh
3:53:47you know, you you you get you know, you
3:53:48get Stenos, you get Gigamart, um you
3:53:51know, you get a few different things. Um
3:53:53you know, Mold Draw is kind of in the
3:53:55middle. Um uh you know one of the things
3:53:58with uh anyway that so there's a general
3:54:02theme to kind of difficulty. It's not
3:54:04really set in stone. Um but you know in
3:54:07general you know you're probably not
3:54:09going to see like you know the next
3:54:12update like hey let's let's make
3:54:15Rosewood you know 10,000 more spawns or
3:54:17more you know 10,000% more dense or
3:54:20something like that because it is more
3:54:21of a starter town.
3:54:23>> Understood. We kind of touched on this
3:54:25question a little bit earlier, but I'm
3:54:27I'm gonna hit on it again really quick.
3:54:30Uh oh, it just went off my screen. Got
3:54:34uh No way. It just went up.
3:54:39Oh, here we are. Okay, I found it again.
3:54:41Sorry. This is from Free Beyond the Sea.
3:54:45Are there any hidden Easter eggs in the
3:54:48game currently that have not yet been
3:54:51found by the community?
3:54:53>> Yes.
3:54:54Yes.
3:54:56>> Yes, definitely. Yes. Yeah. I know some
3:55:01specific ones I I'm not going to tell
3:55:02you where they are, but yes, absolutely
3:55:04are.
3:55:05>> Okay. So, we'll have to get out there
3:55:07hunting soon. Okay.
3:55:10No hints. Not Not like even a tiny
3:55:12little from
3:55:13>> uh
3:55:15I'll give you a hint for one of them.
3:55:17>> Okay.
3:55:19>> It's in a tower. It's in a very tall
3:55:21tower.
3:55:24Okay,
3:55:25start checking every tower, guys. If
3:55:27you're in Louisville, go up to the top
3:55:29of every skyscraper.
3:55:34Um,
3:55:35yeah.
3:55:39All right. Uh, here, I'll grab one more.
3:55:41Let's see.
3:55:42>> You do one more. I'll do one more on my
3:55:44end, and we'll we'll call it there,
3:55:46guys.
3:55:49>> Let's see.
3:55:51Um, and of course,
3:55:54>> yeah, if you can't answer them, that's
3:55:56okay. If there's something you don't
3:55:57want to touch on, feel free.
3:56:02>> Um,
3:56:05I'm scrolling through them here. Hold
3:56:06on. So many are just comments. Uh, let's
3:56:09see.
3:56:11Is the helicop Well, I picked one. It
3:56:13might not be the best one, but is the
3:56:15helicopter event Don Beverages
3:56:17evacuation FL flight uh from Chimp
3:56:20Turbo? Um, like I said, there is a there
3:56:23is a mystery behind uh uh Chimp Turbo.
3:56:25And if I confirmed uh Don Beverages, uh
3:56:28Xfill? Um uh
3:56:32uh I think isn't Don Beverage in uh
3:56:35isn't he the coast of the host of the
3:56:37the radio show? I think he's actually in
3:56:39Arizona. Um, so, so that it wouldn't be
3:56:43for him. Um, it could, well, I don't
3:56:46want to say anything else than that. Uh,
3:56:48uh, keep it a secret. Again,
3:56:49>> there's lore to the helicopter team. We
3:56:51do not yet know what the lore is,
3:56:53though, so we will have to wait and see.
3:56:55On my end, if you can't answer this one,
3:56:57it's completely understandable, but it's
3:56:59getting posted a lot. This is from
3:57:02Freigh. Will there be uh any added tools
3:57:06and accessibility features for Java
3:57:09modding for workshop users? Because
3:57:12sometimes people upload a mod where they
3:57:13have to manually install files and that
3:57:16causes a lot of headaches.
3:57:18So, I can't give you any specifics on
3:57:21it, but as part of that that support
3:57:24update that I talked about that we're
3:57:25going to be working on later in the year
3:57:27after um uh B42 st it moves to stable is
3:57:31going to be additional modding support.
3:57:33Um uh there are team members that are
3:57:36specifically focused on that. Um and
3:57:39like I said, I don't have specifics. Um
3:57:41but additional modding support is is is
3:57:44uh in the pipeline.
3:57:46>> Perfect.
3:57:48I I you're so generous, but there are
3:57:50two more questions. You can like
3:57:52one-word answers is completely fine. I
3:57:54know I'm going to get slack if I don't
3:57:55ask these.
3:57:56>> Do you like mint chocolate chip ice
3:57:58cream?
3:58:00>> Um I'm diabetic now, so I have to be
3:58:03incredibly careful with my uh with my
3:58:06ice cream intake. Um and it was my
3:58:09favorite ice cream as a kid. And I think
3:58:12I ate too much as a kid and uh don't
3:58:15really have a taste for it much anymore.
3:58:17>> So, not anymore, unfortunately. But you
3:58:20used to.
3:58:21>> All right, final final final question
3:58:24and we're going to wrap it there. Thank
3:58:26you again for so much of your time and
3:58:27staying over. This was incredible. Um,
3:58:30will Zomboid ever expand outside of
3:58:34Kentucky?
3:58:35>> That is an amazing question um that I
3:58:38can't answer.
3:58:39>> [laughter]
3:58:39>> Okay, that's simple.
3:58:41>> Um there. Yeah, I mean, yeah, I I'll
3:58:44just leave it at that. I'll I'll leave
3:58:45it at that.
3:58:46>> Maybe one day, team. Perhaps one day. Uh
3:58:49Sarah, or excuse me, Sarah, my brain's a
3:58:52little frazzled right now. Uh Sarin,
3:58:55thank you so very much for joining us
3:58:57tonight. This was an incredible stream.
3:58:59It was amazing to get to chat with you
3:59:01and and hear a little bit more about you
3:59:03and the dev team and some of the work
3:59:04that's coming up. I'm sure we're all
3:59:06very excited for build 42.20 20 to go
3:59:09stable, everybody to jump in and do some
3:59:11big multiplayer servers, some giant
3:59:13long-term playthroughs. It's going to be
3:59:15really, really exciting, and uh we're
3:59:18just so grateful for all the work that
3:59:19you and the rest of the team does on
3:59:21this great game.
3:59:23>> Well, I appreciate you having me. This
3:59:25has been really fun. I I literally
3:59:27looked up when you said we're running
3:59:29getting close on time and I was like,
3:59:30really? Um uh sorry I got bit and uh you
3:59:35know thank you to to you for having me
3:59:37and you know the biggest shout out is to
3:59:39the community. Um you know without
3:59:42people actively playing this game and
3:59:43giving us feedback this game you know
3:59:45wouldn't be what it is today. Um and
3:59:48then you know my personal shout out uh
3:59:50to the development team for for giving
3:59:52me an opportunity to contribute to this
3:59:54project. It's it's an amazing honor and
3:59:56uh I'm I'm so excited for for what's
3:59:59coming and uh you know just getting up
4:00:01being able to get up every day and work
4:00:02on this game is so cool. Um so thanks
4:00:05everybody. I really appreciate it.
4:00:07>> Sarin, enjoy the rest of your night. So
4:00:09great to chat with you. Uh and maybe one
4:00:12day we'll chat again soon. Who knows?
4:00:14>> All right. Sounds like a plan. I I'm
4:00:17going to sit here and listen to the
4:00:18voice of my my little Zomboid trapped in
4:00:20a trapped in a room.
4:00:23We'll be trapped together forever. Have
4:00:25a good one, Sarin. And uh
4:00:27>> have a great weekend everybody.
4:00:29>> Thank you so much. Goodbye.
4:00:34That is it team. Sarin is gone. It is
4:00:37just you and I now. Team, the rest of
4:00:39the community. Uh
4:00:42absolutely insane stream. Uh it was so
4:00:45great to chat with Sarin there.
4:00:48Absolutely insane. Is it already over
4:00:50guys? We went over our time. Sarin, I
4:00:53have to say, I mean, I said it already,
4:00:55but like huge shout out because he went
4:00:57over
4:00:59by about 45 minutes. We were supposed to
4:01:01wrap up at 10:30 and he was like, "You
4:01:04know what? We have more questions. We'll
4:01:06stick around." So, uh, thank you for
4:01:09staying that long and chilling with us.
4:01:12Um, I hope many of you learned some
4:01:15stuff about the game. I certainly
4:01:17learned a lot. All right. I think it was
4:01:20very interesting to hear from the design
4:01:22director himself, someone in that
4:01:24position who has kind of a bird's eyee
4:01:26view over what's coming. And it sounds
4:01:28like big surprises in store for the
4:01:32stable version of the game. All right,
4:01:36so if you guys are on YouTube shorts,
4:01:38I'm going to end the stream for you guys
4:01:40right now, but we will be live on Twitch
4:01:43for a little bit longer. If you would
4:01:44like to come over, you are more than
4:01:46welcome. Of course, Big Bad Beaver on
4:01:48Twitch if you want to hop over. Up to
4:01:50you, of course. But if not, guys, I
4:01:52might be doing a weekend stream. I might
4:01:54not. Uh if not, I'll be live on Monday.
4:01:57We're 100% doing Rimmer World on Monday,
4:01:59by the way. It's locked in. It's
4:02:01guaranteed. You can count on it. That's
4:02:03the beaver guarantee. I also now realize
4:02:06we basically never used the bomb button
4:02:08today on this stream. This was a stream
4:02:11where the bomb button was pretty much uh
4:02:13I think this was the most valid stream
4:02:16to use the bomb button, but that's okay.
4:02:18Um, have a good one, guys. Go check the
4:02:20towers as well. Apparently, there's an
4:02:22Easter egg in a tower. I don't know
4:02:23which tower. I I can't even think of a
4:02:26tower that like immediately pops out to
4:02:28me because there's just so many
4:02:29different buildings. But, um, have a
4:02:32good one, YouTube shorts. I'll see all
4:02:33of you later.
4:02:36And just like that, YouTube Shorts is
4:02:39gone. on now team. It is just you and I.
4:02:41Can we get an au? Au. [music]
4:02:44Au. Derlin is him. Would it be obvious
4:02:48if we saw it? Okay, I guess not. But
4:02:51like also, how many towers are there in
4:02:53the game? That's what I can't think of.
4:02:55But apparently there's a ton of Easter
4:02:56eggs that we haven't found. I'm sorry I
4:02:58wasn't able to get to all of the
4:03:00questions. Again, we were over by 45
4:03:02minutes, so I didn't want to do any of
4:03:03the long ones that we had from
4:03:05yesterday. I kind of wanted to hit on
4:03:07quick things. Um, I'm so [ __ ]
4:03:10vindicated that he hates West Point as
4:03:12well. Or maybe not hates, but doesn't
4:03:14like it. I think like I now that is like
4:03:17the biggest bullet in my arsenal, by the
4:03:19way. That is like the biggest piece of
4:03:20ammo I have ever for this stream. So,
4:03:24uh, yeah, that's going to be getting
4:03:25stockpiled for certain, 100%.
4:03:30Let me make sure the stream actually
4:03:31ends on YouTube. By the way, I didn't
4:03:32end the stream. Uh, crazy stream on
4:03:34YouTube, by the way. Damn. nearly 300
4:03:37viewers on YouTube, which is very, very
4:03:40high for YouTube.
4:03:43Unreal.
4:03:45Um, before we wrap up tonight's stream,
4:03:48I do want to keep chatting with you all
4:03:49for a little bit, but of course, I did
4:03:50say I would shout out all of the alerts
4:03:53that popped up while we were playing
4:03:55because obviously I cannot shout them
4:03:57out while we're streaming and chatting
4:03:59with Sarin. So, shout out to Judy for
4:04:01the Prime, first time subscriber, Noah
4:04:04sleeping with the tier one for 20 whole
4:04:05months. Thank you Anonymous for the
4:04:06gifted sub out to the community. Thank
4:04:08you Dol92 for the prime gaming sub.
4:04:10First time subscriber. Shorty Shorty Poo
4:04:12Poo Pants with a tier one for 19 whole
4:04:15months.
4:04:16A whole lot of new followers. Thank you
4:04:18guys for all the follows. Conqueror with
4:04:20a tier one for seven whole months. Thank
4:04:22you for that. Justin with a tier one
4:04:24gifted sub out to the community. Zombie
4:04:27Boy with a resub as well on tier one.
4:04:30Captain Blackbeard with five gifted
4:04:32subs. Anonymous with a singular gifted
4:04:34sub. Silver Fang with a tier one and I
4:04:38think all of the other ones. Oh, never
4:04:40mind. I've actually completely There are
4:04:41more that I missed. Insane. Uh, Lang
4:04:44with a gift sub. Thank you. Clam with a
4:04:45tier one resub as well for 17 whole
4:04:47months. Bisbach with a prime sub. Led
4:04:49with a gifted sub. Dr. Bozo with a gift
4:04:51sub. Kar with a resub at tier one as
4:04:53well for 33 whole months. Recuff with a
4:04:56prime first time subscriber. That ghost
4:04:59with a tier one. David plays with 10
4:05:02gifted subs. I think that's where we
4:05:04catch up. Thank you guys for all of the
4:05:09support tonight. Absolutely absurd
4:05:12stream. Definitely bombw worthy.
4:05:15I missed some of his answers, guys. If
4:05:17you missed some of the answers, I will
4:05:19certainly be uploading the VOD soon.
4:05:22And um I will also be editing that this
4:05:25down into like a condensed video. It's
4:05:27probably going to be a little bit longer
4:05:29than I was expecting. I was going to try
4:05:30and make the video like 30 minutes at
4:05:31most. probably gonna be longer than
4:05:33that. It's probably going to be close to
4:05:34an hour, if not longer. But that's going
4:05:36to be my weekend team. We'll see. Um,
4:05:39you guys did so good. You should feel
4:05:40proud. I'm so grateful
4:05:44to have the opportunity to chat with him
4:05:46because again, that was really, really,
4:05:49really just really interesting.
4:05:53I I think to get to to hear some of the
4:05:56stuff that's coming is exciting. Uh, and
4:05:59it sounds like they're going to be
4:06:00reworking a lot of the game, guys.
4:06:03Obviously, it's going to be in batches,
4:06:05but it sounds like over the next couple
4:06:08years, we're going to be seeing like
4:06:09major updates on various things, you
4:06:12know?
4:06:13So, I I think it's an exciting time for
4:06:17the Zomboid world. I'm curious what some
4:06:19of the other collaborations they're
4:06:21planning are. Uh, that sounded very fun
4:06:24that they're planning to do more like
4:06:25Terraria stuff potentially. We'll see.
4:06:27And of course, again, whatever the
4:06:28surprise is for build 42.20,
4:06:31that should be very exciting, team. That
4:06:32should be very exciting. I did promise
4:06:34we would flip the frog at the end. Meno,
4:06:37thank you for the follow. Welcome in.
4:06:38Thank you everybody for swapping over
4:06:39from the YT shorts. If you're new from
4:06:41YT, I I saw someone a moment ago saying
4:06:43they watch the shorts a lot and they
4:06:44just recently started watching the
4:06:45streams. I appreciate that a ton. I
4:06:46didn't get a chance to see your name.
4:06:48It's so nice that they listen to the
4:06:49community. What a difference, too,
4:06:50because I feel like the community I'm
4:06:52not going to say they were getting
4:06:53ignored, but I do feel like we weren't
4:06:55getting a lot of communication for a
4:06:56while.
4:06:57There were a lot of periods that went on
4:06:59where it was just like
4:07:01not radio silence but like close to
4:07:03radio silence like not really a whole
4:07:05lot going on. It was you hatrick. Hello
4:07:07there hattrick. When is the end of the
4:07:09server? What is the event? Dust. That's
4:07:12a question that simply I can't answer it
4:07:14this time. I can't answer that right
4:07:17now.
4:07:20But maybe soon. All right. Come back on
4:07:21Monday. Or if I stream over the weekend.
4:07:23We'll see. Um, if I stream over the
4:07:25weekend, I don't know what it would be.
4:07:27It might be Zomboid. It might be other
4:07:29games. Who knows? Uh, I'll let you guys
4:07:31know if that even happens, of course.
4:07:33Uh, I think it was crazy that um, Sarin
4:07:37ate me today. He was really going to
4:07:40town on my legs. I don't know what was
4:07:41going on there. His zomboid simply
4:07:45famished, it seems. Could not get enough
4:07:47um of the legs. But that's fine. Uh,
4:07:49guys,
4:07:51we got to wrap it up. I mean, this was
4:07:52an insane stream. Again,
4:07:55we got to do it. All right, I'm going to
4:07:57go ahead. We're going to get a
4:07:58prediction going and we're going to
4:08:00begin doing some gaming. Red and Naru,
4:08:03by the way, it's so good to see you.
4:08:04Teasing wheelchair gameplay. Maybe that
4:08:06was an Easter egg behind the scenes. Who
4:08:08knows? You can have a trait. It's worth
4:08:11like 50 points. You spawn with no legs.
4:08:15Your body was just gone in the end. Uh,
4:08:17no. I think I was hiding in the corner
4:08:18and my camera wasn't going to do it. Are
4:08:20you going to look for the tower? If I
4:08:22had the time to do that, I certainly
4:08:23would go look for the tower.
4:08:24Unfortunately, I do not have the time to
4:08:26go do that. Instead, this weekend, I'm
4:08:27going to be working on editing this VOD,
4:08:30guys. So, let me get the prediction
4:08:31going. And if you've never flipped the
4:08:33Frog, you're about to. All right. If you
4:08:36don't know exactly how Flip the Frog
4:08:37works, you will be taught the ways in
4:08:40just a moment. But, of course, first, I
4:08:41have to put on some amazing uh Flip the
4:08:45Frog music. We can't flip the frog
4:08:48without flip the frog music. What would
4:08:50be the point in flipping the frog
4:08:51without flip the frog music? So, let's
4:08:54get ready. Let's get those friars ready,
4:08:58team.
4:09:01Let's get all of it ready. All right,
4:09:04we're set. Time to gamble right now,
4:09:07team. If you don't know how it works,
4:09:09I'll explain it.
4:09:14That did not move the way I thought it
4:09:16was going to.
4:09:20This is Ham the flat frog. He is a frog.
4:09:24He is flat and by God does he love to
4:09:28flip, guys. So, we are going to be
4:09:30flipping the frog and it is your job to
4:09:32decide will he land on his head or his
4:09:35bellies. It is like a coin flip. You can
4:09:36think of it like that only a frog
4:09:38instead of a coin. So, heads or bellies,
4:09:42you decide. We do one practice round and
4:09:44then we do the real deal. Okay. Best of
4:09:47luck to all of you. Time to gamble. But
4:09:49this is the practice round. This is not
4:09:50count. Okay.
4:10:07a definitive bellies voter. The music is
4:10:10too loud. That's meant to be. It's meant
4:10:12to be loud. Team, you're flipping the
4:10:13frog right now. You don't need to hear
4:10:15me, okay? My voice is irrelevant. All
4:10:17you need to know is the frog is being
4:10:19flipped. I'm so [ __ ] says Hunter.
4:10:22Okay. Well, don't Now you're scaring me
4:10:24a little bit. Now you're scaring me.
4:10:25Quite frankly,
4:10:28I don't love that. Prediction is about
4:10:30to end, though, guys. Time is up. Let's
4:10:32take a look at the gamble really,
4:10:33really, really, really quick. Here's the
4:10:35gamble. 75,000 on heads, 72,000 on
4:10:39bellies. Best of luck. I thought that
4:10:43was it. No, that was the practice round
4:10:44team. That was for practice. This is the
4:10:47real deal. So, if it's bellies again,
4:10:49belly voters win. Let's see what
4:10:50happens.
4:11:01Head
4:11:22voters win. Congratulations to the head
4:11:27voters.
4:11:29You guys come out on top
4:11:33and you win the gamble. Okay, you've
4:11:36done it.
4:11:38Congratulations
4:11:40to the head voters. Bro is jacked. The
4:11:44strongest 6'7 person you've ever met.
4:11:46Team
4:11:48unreal. I take back everything I said.
4:11:50Hunter, this is why you never give up.
4:11:53Okay. And Hina Senpai. Oh, I'm sorry.
4:11:55Yeah, you should have voted on heads.
4:11:57The practice round. See, this is what
4:11:58I'm talking about. Sometimes you flip
4:11:59the frog and other times the frog flips
4:12:01you. You got to be careful. All right. I
4:12:05will never financially recover from
4:12:06this. Y baby losing 10 shards. I don't
4:12:09know how you're going to come back from
4:12:10that one, quite frankly.
4:12:13A little bit spooky team. But either
4:12:15way, guys, that is going to do it for
4:12:17tonight's stream. Huge shout out. If
4:12:20you're in the chat right now, please
4:12:22show some love to Sarin. I don't think
4:12:25he's here anymore. But of course, just
4:12:27round of applause, especially for
4:12:28sticking with us a little bit later than
4:12:30we expected. What a amazing person to
4:12:35agree to stick 40 minutes longer in the
4:12:39interview than we originally agreed to.
4:12:41I mean, yeah, dude is 100% a legend.
4:12:45That was insane. And I think I'm
4:12:47actually curious really quick before we
4:12:48end the stream. Before we end the
4:12:50stream, how do you guys feel?
4:12:53Do you guys love some of the responses
4:12:55you heard? Are you excited for the
4:12:57future of the game? Are you like
4:13:00because I think a lot of the answers we
4:13:02heard were very positive.
4:13:05I think a lot of it was pretty positive
4:13:08and it just shows that we have a a good
4:13:11future for the game.
4:13:13Might take a little bit long to get
4:13:14there. Build 43
4:13:18might be a little further out than we
4:13:20might think. Maybe they want to stay
4:13:21with build 42 for a little bit longer.
4:13:23It sounds like they're going to be doing
4:13:24like they mentioned uh like a mid
4:13:27midpoint update. I don't know exactly
4:13:29what that looks like,
4:13:31but uh crazy. All right. Crazy time.
4:13:38So,
4:13:39round of applause team. I'm going to tip
4:13:41out of here. Of course, if you guys are
4:13:42new to the stream, hit the follow
4:13:44button. If you are really, really,
4:13:46really, really, really enjoying.
4:13:47Consider subscribing. Go follow me
4:13:49across all my socials. Join the Discord
4:13:51community, of course. Check out the VODs
4:13:53channel as well. And the schedule, I
4:13:57might stream over the weekend. I don't
4:13:59know, though. We might stream over the
4:14:01weekend. If not, I'll be live on Monday
4:14:03at 7:30 p.m. Eastern. Tuesday,
4:14:06Wednesday, Thursday are of course always
4:14:08Zomboids. The badge, though. What about
4:14:10the badge, guys? You have all the way up
4:14:13until the 26th of July to get the badge.
4:14:17So, the time stacks. You don't have to
4:14:19be sitting here watching for 6 hours
4:14:21straight. It can be throughout the whole
4:14:23week coming up. So that's why I'm saying
4:14:26like if you guys are not able to tune
4:14:28in, you're chilling. It's total watch
4:14:31time over the next week.
4:14:37I'll update the command to make that
4:14:38more clear. But of course, if you guys
4:14:40didn't hear Xin badge, guys, we're
4:14:42celebrating 50,000 followers with a
4:14:44crazy sub badge. If you guys choose to
4:14:47sub tier 1, two, or three, or gift out a
4:14:50sub, you get a crazy fancy beaver badge.
4:14:54Some of you guys in the chat right now
4:14:55repping it. I love to see it. And of
4:14:57course, if you can't sub or you don't
4:14:59want to sub, understandable. You can
4:15:01still get memorial uh memorable little
4:15:04badge just by watching the stream for 6
4:15:06hours between now and July 26th. Okay.
4:15:10So, thank you team. Thank you for all
4:15:12your support. I don't think I would have
4:15:14been able to chat with Sarin today
4:15:17without the support of you guys, okay?
4:15:19Helping me reach this point in my career
4:15:22doing stuff like this. And I really hope
4:15:24perhaps in the future we are able to
4:15:27chat more with him, maybe closer to
4:15:30Build 43 or maybe around the Build 42
4:15:34midpoint update. So, we'll see. But
4:15:36that's going to do it for me, guys. I'm
4:15:38dipping out. All right. I hope you
4:15:39enjoyed the stream. Salutes. Here comes
4:15:42Droist.

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