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0:19Good evening everybody and welcome to
0:21the September 16th, 2026 meeting of the
0:24Hide Park Planning Board. If you could
0:26please stand with me to say the pledge
0:28of allegiance.
0:32I pledge allegiance to the flag of the
0:34United States of America and to the
0:36republic for which it stands. One nation
0:40under God, indivisible, with liberty and
0:42justice for all.
0:49>> Our first item on the agenda is a new
0:52public hearing. This one is for the
0:54Goran Timber Harvest. This is on 959
0:58Violet Avenue in Hide Park. Uh they are
1:01looking to do another round of timber
1:03harvest. Uh do we have any
1:05representatives attending tonight? Ah
1:07come on down
1:10here.
1:10>> Oh excellent.
1:11>> Very good.
1:12>> Good evening. Just for the record state
1:16your name.
1:18>> Uh my name is Christopher Apprentice. Um
1:21uh Lower Hudson Forestry Services.
1:24>> Thank you. And uh you were at the last
1:26meeting we just discussed the overall
1:28plan, right?
1:30Yep. We uh went over the plan, um what
1:34we're proposing to do, um the DEC
1:38permits that have already been obtained,
1:41um as well as the fact that the property
1:43is managed under the 48A forest tax law
1:46program.
1:47>> Yep. Okay. Um before we go any further,
1:50may I get a motion to open the public
1:52hearing?
1:52>> I'll make that motion.
1:54>> Second.
1:54>> All in favor, please say I.
1:56>> I.
1:57>> Thank you.
1:59All right. So,
2:01let me just ask Miss Moss if she has any
2:05comments on this. Oh, for some reason,
2:07you do not have a a microphone.
2:11>> She's being punished. [laughter]
2:13>> Um, I don't I don't have any comments.
2:15We're going to need something from DOT
2:18regarding the access at the time of the
2:20harvest, but other than that,
2:22>> and that's been included in the
2:23resolution.
2:23>> Okay. Okay.
2:25>> Good. Excellent. Um, Mr. Mr. Harvey, any
2:28comments?
2:29>> No, we didn't review the project.
2:30>> Okay. And Miss Pauladoro?
2:32>> No comments
2:33>> other than we have a resolution
2:35prepared, right?
2:36>> Well, yeah. So, you have a resolution
2:38prepared for tonight. Um, you do have to
2:41go through the EAF.
2:42>> Oh, okay.
2:44>> On listed action. So, we'd have to go
2:45through part two.
2:46>> Oh,
2:47>> and I can pull it up.
2:48>> That would be great.
2:49>> Talk through it.
2:49>> We get that.
2:52>> Okay. Which is why we're going to do it
2:54now. So the um the other thing to note
2:56is that because it's a timber harvest
2:59and not a traditional development
3:02project, there's not a a traditional
3:04site plan. And so one of the things that
3:07you would be doing tonight if you are
3:09ready to do that is to accept what
3:11they've submitted as a site plan and
3:13wave all the other requirements.
3:15>> Okay. Well, and that makes sense because
3:17um but they do show, you know, access
3:20and where they're going and any stream
3:22crossings and they do and limits of
3:24disturbance and
3:25>> you know they're not showing the trees
3:27at at
3:27>> Yes. Right. which we would Yeah.
3:29Correct. Okay. So, and is that mentioned
3:31in the
3:32>> It's all in the resolution. All right.
3:34So, so let's pull up pull up to Yeah.
3:37from the bottom.
3:50Okay.
3:51All right. So, um, will proposed action
3:54create a material conflict with adopted
3:56land use plan or zoning?
3:58>> No.
3:59>> No.
4:00>> Will proposed action result in a change
4:01in the use or intensity of land?
4:04>> No.
4:05Well, minimal, right? I mean,
4:07>> no or small.
4:08>> Yeah.
4:09>> Any any change in the use, I guess,
4:11would be temporary.
4:13>> Temporary
4:14>> period of the harvest.
4:15>> Yes.
4:17>> Um,
4:18>> can you can you put the um microphone a
4:19little bit closer?
4:20>> Sure. Doesn't
4:21>> change the use. Will
4:22>> No, that's correct. Right.
4:25>> Doesn't change the use.
4:26>> No, it doesn't change the use.
4:28>> Right.
4:29>> Will the proposed action impair the
4:31character or quality of the existing
4:32community?
4:33>> No.
4:35Will it have an impact on a critical
4:37environmental area?
4:38>> No,
4:40>> it is not a critical environ.
4:42>> It's not within one.
4:44>> Right.
4:45>> Uh will proposed action result in an
4:46adverse change in the existing level of
4:48traffic or affect existing
4:50infrastructure for biking or walkways?
4:52>> No.
4:54>> Will proposed action cause an increase
4:55in the use of energy and it fails to
4:57incorporate reasonably available energy
4:59conservation opportunities?
5:02>> No.
5:03Will the action
5:06uh affect existing public or private
5:08water supplies or wastewater?
5:10>> No.
5:11>> Will it impair the character or quality
5:13of important historic, archaeological,
5:15aesthetic or architectural resources?
5:18>> No.
5:19>> Will it result in an adverse change to
5:21natural resources, wetlands, water
5:23bodies, groundwater?
5:25>> No. That's the whole point of doing
5:26this,
5:27>> right? You you're reviewing it to ensure
5:29that it's not going to have an impact.
5:32Will it result in an increase in
5:34potential for erosion, flooding, or
5:35drainage problems?
5:37>> No.
5:39>> Uh, will it create a hazard to human
5:41health?
5:42>> No.
5:44>> Is the potentially affected
5:45disadvantaged community identified as
5:47having a comparatively higher burdens or
5:49vulner vulnerabilities by DACA
5:51assessment tool?
5:53>> I don't think it's in a it's not in or
5:55adjacent to a disadvantage community.
5:57>> Okay.
5:59>> So, Henry's going to follow up. Is it I
6:02think it was just north. Okay.
6:04>> So it is a DACA.
6:06>> It so it is a DACA but is it going to
6:08have a small impact?
6:10>> No.
6:10>> Small.
6:10>> Yeah.
6:13>> And then will the proposed action cause
6:15or increase pollution burden within a
6:17disadvantaged community? No. Or small.
6:19>> No.
6:21>> Okay. So that's that's that. And now you
6:23after you've heard from everyone, we can
6:26close the hearing and go through the
6:28resolution.
6:29>> Okay. Mr. Total. Any comments?
6:32>> No.
6:32>> No comments.
6:33>> Mr. Waters?
6:34>> No comments.
6:35>> Mr. Lee. Mr. Olive.
6:37>> No comments.
6:38>> Miss Lee?
6:38>> No comments.
6:39>> Mr. Garcia?
6:40>> No comments.
6:41>> Then may I get a motion to Oh, I'm
6:43sorry. Is there anybody in the public
6:44that would like to
6:47make comments on this application?
6:51Okay. There being none, may I get a
6:52motion to close the public hearing?
6:54>> I'll make that motion. Second.
6:56>> All in favor, please say I.
6:58>> I.
6:58>> I. And we do have a resolution prepared.
7:01>> Yes, I have this.
7:02>> Go ahead.
7:03>> A resolution granting conditional
7:04special use permit and site plan
7:06approval for the Goran uh timber
7:08harvest. This is resolution number
7:102026-26A.
7:14Whereas, whereas, whereas, now,
7:16therefore, it be resolved. The planning
7:18board determines that the project will
7:20not result in any significant adverse
7:23environmental impacts and hereby issues
7:25a negative declaration pursuant to
7:27seeker. Be it further resolved that the
7:29planning board, having reviewed the
7:31project materials and the application
7:33special use permit criteria in section
7:35108-8.4A
7:374A of the zoning code hereby makes the
7:40following findings. Number one, the
7:42proposed timber harvesting complies with
7:45the requirements of articles 4 and five
7:48and is consistent with the purposes of
7:50the green belt district. The planning
7:52board has considered the proposed use
7:54including the property's prior
7:56harvesting activity and uh current
7:59enrolled and and currently in and
8:02current enrollment excuse me in the 480
8:05acre forest tax program. Oh 400 that's
8:09not wrong. Let me just repeat that.
8:12>> [clears throat]
8:12>> Uh the the planning board has considered
8:16the proposed use including the
8:18property's prior harvesting activity and
8:20current enrollment in the 480A forest
8:24tax program. Number two, the proposed
8:26harvesting is consistent with the propo
8:28uh the purposes of the zoning code in
8:30section 108-1.4,
8:32poor, including the appropriate use of
8:34land and protection of the town's
8:36natural resources and will be conducted
8:38in accordance with the approved for uh
8:41480A forest management plan and
8:44applicable DEEC permits. Number three,
8:46the proposed harvesting will not result
8:48in excessive off- premise noise, dust,
8:50odors, solid waste, or glare, or create
8:54a public or private nuisance. The
8:56proposed gravel pad and restoration
8:58measures will limit mud, debris, and
9:00other impacts associated with the
9:02project. Number four, the proposed
9:04harvesting will not cause a significant
9:06traffic congestion, impair pedestrian
9:08safety, or overload existing roads. The
9:11proposed access and landing loading
9:13arrangements are appropriate for the
9:15operation, and the gravel pad will
9:16reduce the tracking of mud and debris
9:18onto the public road. Number five, the
9:21property is suitable for the proposed
9:23harvesting considering its size,
9:25location, topography, vegetation, soils,
9:28natural habitat, and water resources.
9:30The planning board has reviewed the
9:32proposed harvest area, skidros, stream
9:35crossing, and landing and loading areas
9:37together with the the approval for 480A
9:40plan. Be it further resolved that the
9:42planning board finds that uh the
9:46proposed special use satisfies the
9:48criteria of section 108-8.4A
9:51and hereby grants the special use
9:53permit. Be it further resolved, the
9:54planning board having reviewed the
9:56approved 48A forest management plan and
9:59the site plan set hereby waves pursuant
10:02to section 108-9.4
10:04C1 of the zoning code. Those site plan
10:07requirements of section 108-9.4
10:10four that are duplicative of information
10:13already provided and are not applicable
10:16to the proposed timber harvesting
10:17operation. Finding that the submitted
10:19materials provide sufficient information
10:21upon which the planning board can render
10:23a decision. Be it further resolved, the
10:26planning board hereby approves the site
10:28plan and authorizes the planning board
10:30chair or her author authorized design to
10:33sign the site plan set subject to the
10:35following conditions. Number one,
10:37payment of all fees in escrow. Be it
10:39further resolved that no timber
10:41harvesting shall commence until the
10:43applicant has obtained any required New
10:45York State Department of Transportation
10:47highway work permit or other approval
10:49and provide a copy of the to the zoning
10:52administrator.
10:53>> Second.
10:54>> Is there any discussion?
10:56>> I just have one item correction. Um the
10:59site is within a critical environmental
11:01area.
11:01>> It is.
11:02>> Yeah. The Marici kill critical
11:03environmental area.
11:05>> But I I don't know if that changes your
11:07answer. It won't it won't have it.
11:08>> Might change the answer. So, we can keep
11:10that the same. Just wanted to note it.
11:11>> Thank you. Appreciate that. I didn't
11:13know there was another one.
11:16>> Reach.
11:17>> Yeah. Uh is there any other discussion?
11:21>> All in favor, please say I.
11:22>> I.
11:23>> Any nays or abstensions? Motion passes
11:26unanimously. Thank you very much. Good
11:29to see you.
11:30>> Appreciate it.
11:36Have a good night.
11:37>> You too.
11:42>> Our next item on the agenda is a
11:45continued public hearing. This time this
11:48is for the Bellefield PUB phase 4
11:51condos.
11:56>> I get a motion to open the public
11:57hearing.
11:59>> So moved.
11:59>> Second.
12:00>> All in favor, please say I. I
12:03>> motion carries.
12:13>> So bear with me one moment.
12:15>> Yep. Oh, wait. Is that Oh, that's all.
12:29>> Ah, good.
12:36in the area.
12:41>> Welcome back.
12:43>> Thank you. Hi. Uh, thank you for having
12:45us back. Uh, Larry Budro solo tonight.
12:49Um,
12:49>> yeah. Where's your posi?
12:52>> Uh, we're getting ready to go fishing
12:54tomorrow.
12:55>> Are you going on a three-hour tour?
12:58>> 12. I am 12 [laughter] hours. Yeah,
13:00>> that's old school for some of us.
13:02Three-hour tour.
13:04>> Got it.
13:06>> Very nice.
13:07>> He's he's going he's going out getting
13:08all the food. So, um
13:10>> Ah, good good.
13:13>> So, uh yes. Um thank you for having us.
13:15Larry Budro with Bellefield. At the last
13:18meeting, we presented um five plan
13:22sheets that we had to revise and working
13:25with the Roosevelt Fire District. They
13:27wanted us to add some things which we
13:31did. I presented those uh five plans
13:34last week and uh after that meeting we
13:38compiled this set and submitted an
13:41electronic uh set to to the town. Um and
13:46I can review these five sheets that we
13:48sent that I reviewed last week. Uh in
13:51addition to that, uh we just received
13:55the fire district's uh Roosevelt Fire
13:57District's letter of approval a couple
14:00hours ago. So working with them, we u um
14:05we were able to work through some of
14:07their concerns and we got their approval
14:09letter.
14:10>> Those were very productive meetings that
14:12we had.
14:13>> They were they were
14:14>> and they were very efficient. very
14:16productive uh efficient and we you know
14:19are very thankful that they uh were able
14:21to um work with us to get the uh sign
14:24off.
14:26>> Yeah, that was good to see come through.
14:28>> So I can go through what what we did.
14:30One of the requirements was we listed in
14:32bold the sheets that we've uh added to
14:34the uh set
14:37that that that were changed. Uh there
14:39was a big note that fire department
14:41wanted. That's note 10 on the cover
14:43sheet. They wanted to make sure that was
14:46on that and once that was on that I
14:48believe along with the other items they
14:50uh they signed off.
14:55This is the site plan and again what
14:57they wanted was uh you might remember
14:59the stair access was out into the
15:01courtyard. They wanted to do it the
15:03other way uh bringing it out uh to the
15:07curb side which which we did. I can zoom
15:09in here.
15:14But this is the stair access now. So you
15:17have direct access in the event you're
15:19on the curb side or parking side instead
15:21of the courtyard side. What the issue
15:24there was capacity of the courtyard to
15:28handle a fully engaged fire. Um, so we
15:32switched one there, one here, and then
15:35one here, one there, and then same on
15:37the other side.
15:41The other concern was the way the
15:44amenity building was
15:46was positioned. So, we rotated it 90° to
15:50allow more space between the building
15:54and the amenity
15:56uh building. So,
15:58>> and they match on both sets of buildings
16:00now, right?
16:00>> Yeah. Yeah, they're the same. Um, and
16:03they're uh I believe 25 by 35. And the
16:06elevations I did issue today slight
16:09revision on them, but um I sent that
16:13over to
16:15you and
16:17>> and the reason for rotating them, Larry,
16:18what was the reason that
16:20>> he was concerned of the pinch point?
16:22>> Yeah.
16:22>> Okay. for for e exiting from the
16:24courthouse.
16:26>> He was worried about pe firemen with
16:27ladders carrying them up the hill
16:29against people trying to exit the
16:30building in a skinny area between the
16:32buildings.
16:32>> Okay.
16:33>> Okay. So, this one was rotated and also
16:36when we rotated it uh it was getting
16:39over
16:40onto a sloped area. So, uh we shortened
16:43it up 5T to keep it on a on a level pad.
16:47>> Larry, that you provided us with
16:50renderings of that building. Um,
16:52>> okay.
16:53>> Yeah,
16:54>> I I hear in one ear, so I can't
16:55>> sure
16:56>> where sounds going.
16:57>> Uh, you provided us with elevations for
16:59that building.
17:00>> It's the same elevation.
17:01>> Which side is the is the windowless
17:04side?
17:05>> Okay.
17:05>> The the windowless side.
17:07>> The windowless side. Yeah.
17:09>> The unfenistrated side.
17:11>> So, I have that on here. So, let me pop
17:14down there.
17:15>> Right. I know. Yeah, I've seen them. I'm
17:17just trying.
17:17>> No, there there are two of them and they
17:19face in slightly different directions.
17:20So when you say
17:21>> let's see if we can figure it out which
17:25>> it would make sense.
17:37>> So there you are. That's the windowless
17:39side.
17:42>> Right. So on the plan which
17:44>> Okay. All right. So let me see.
17:50And is that an extended roof that's
17:53coming out?
17:54>> No, no, no, no, that's not. That's um
17:58>> No, it's not.
18:00Otherwise, it would be dimensioned.
18:07>> Looks like that's the road.
18:13>> So, it says west elevation
18:15>> amenities. Where did you want to enter
18:17from the court?
18:18>> That guy. All right. So, let's go back
18:20to the site plan.
18:27>> From by the pool. You want to enter from
18:28by the pool. So, the I'm thinking
18:30>> and the amenities building was something
18:32that was for the residents, right?
18:34>> Yes.
18:34>> Okay.
18:35>> Something the blank wall is probably
18:37what's facing the street.
18:38>> Seen the street and maybe they're going
18:39to put a sign on it. So then I just want
18:41to know if there's gonna be other under
18:42other treatment or landscaping or
18:44anything instead of just a blank wall
18:45facing the street there.
18:46>> Yeah. One of the things we don't like is
18:48when a building turns its back
18:50>> on the on the public.
18:53>> Yep. Uh well, let me uh
18:57make sure we know.
18:58>> Put a waterfall on there.
19:00>> Yeah. [laughter] Yeah. We'll get a
19:02waterfall in somewhere.
19:03>> I like how you think.
19:05>> I mean, it's such a small building.
19:07I'll add um more clarification on it,
19:10but I would say
19:11>> it it makes sense that you'd want to
19:13enter it from the from the pool side,
19:15but could there be some kind of
19:17treatment or landscaping or something
19:18that
19:19>> Now, what we did do is we did revise the
19:21landscape plan. That was one of the
19:22plans.
19:25>> Let's see if we got it right.
19:26>> Yeah, landscaping could probably work.
19:28>> It's only one story, right?
19:30>> Yes.
19:31>> It's not going to be super visible.
19:35We added a little bit in front there
19:37>> landscaping there. You can see
19:39>> think of it like a pool house really.
19:41>> And then this one back of the pool house
19:44>> CCR.
19:46>> So north is to the left.
19:48>> Correct. Cabana.
19:49>> So this would be the west side here,
19:54>> but [snorts] I'll I'll clarify that.
19:56>> Yep.
20:00Anything
20:04else?
20:05>> So, we uh updated the grading plan
20:07because we had to put spot grades on
20:09where the egress came out. We updated
20:12the lighting plan. There were a few
20:13issues on the lighting plan that we
20:15updated.
20:17Um and then of course um we updated the
20:20landscape plan.
20:22>> And the lighting with the lighting plan,
20:24Larry, did you did you incorporate the
20:26pool the effects of the pool or then
20:27not?
20:28>> We did. We added uh two uh 12T uh light
20:32poles. We didn't add add any ballards in
20:33there. Uh then on the pool, we added a
20:35note. We talked about adding a note. Uh
20:38it'll have to get through DO and they
20:41have a stringent lighting.
20:42>> Okay.
20:43>> Protocol.
20:44>> Okay.
20:45And then we did correct that one area by
20:47the dumpster on the souththeast side of
20:51the
20:56which is um
21:02come on baby.
21:04Yeah. Right here. So uh this pole was
21:07taken out. We added it back in and reran
21:10the phototric.
21:13That poll was gone previously.
21:15>> Did Did you get my comments? Like when
21:18you send that PDF, it gives us a way to
21:20send it. Put comments and send it goes
21:23back. It says it's submitting it to some
21:25place.
21:26>> Is it going to
21:29>> Did you send me an email? [laughter]
21:30>> Well, I put
21:31>> No, it it's in the PDF.
21:34>> Okay.
21:35>> It says comments. So, I can It goes
21:38>> So, you put some comments. I put
21:39comments on the
21:40>> Oh, does it go back to me? Yeah. Yeah.
21:43It updates the whole entire file
21:44actually.
21:46>> Oh, so you might have to send the file
21:48back to him.
21:49>> I I have to know.
21:49>> It might be like a marked up word doc.
21:51>> Okay. So then I have to
21:53>> if it's on cloud, you might have revised
21:55the vision. You might be able to see the
21:57comments.
21:57>> I think I think he doesn't I think it's
21:59already updated as soon as he makes a
22:01comment. Oh, so that in the cloud in the
22:04cloud.
22:05>> Just shoot me a note. Let me know. Yeah.
22:08So, not like a Microsoft.
22:10>> It was that you know I I see that you re
22:13uh relocated the generators.
22:15>> Yes.
22:15>> And on the one building, they're on the
22:17back side of the I think the east side.
22:20I I could be wrong.
22:21>> Yeah.
22:22>> Or they're facing the pond.
22:24>> Right.
22:24>> Right.
22:25>> They're hidden out of sight. And then on
22:27the other one, they're facing the
22:28parking lot. And I was just concerned
22:30about, you know, why they both weren't
22:34on the
22:35>> in similar places.
22:36>> Yeah. In similar places around the pond.
22:39>> Okay. Okay. Well, the reason why
22:42uh So, where are they? I'm going to get
22:44to this site. [snorts]
22:45>> It should be up at the north, right?
22:47>> Yeah.
22:47>> Yeah. I'm I'll show you. Yeah.
22:49>> So, one's here and one's here, right?
22:53>> Yeah.
22:54>> Right. And and on the other one,
22:56>> they're on the parking
22:59>> now. I think the
23:00>> Yeah.
23:01>> Yeah.
23:01>> There.
23:02>> They had been at the end there and
23:03there.
23:04>> Yeah.
23:04>> Now, we don't have the room to stick
23:07them here.
23:09>> No, but could you put them on the on
23:12what I'm saying is on the east side on
23:14that if that's if that's
23:17>> east side of the 30 3,3100
23:19>> 3100 that Yeah, that was my note. I just
23:22didn't know if there was a reason why
23:24not.
23:24>> So, well, I'm sorry. You don't like it
23:26here?
23:27>> Well,
23:31>> it's that they don't match, right?
23:33>> Yeah. Yeah. I just didn't know why
23:34they're not all in the back and
23:36>> Oh, okay.
23:37>> You know, for sound for sound and things
23:39if they kick on and
23:41>> Okay. The
23:43rule of thumb, Tom, I'm sure can verify
23:47this, but you try to, you know, you
23:50know, you're running primary to it,
23:52>> right? And then you're running it out.
23:54The longer that run is, it's pretty
23:56expensive.
23:56>> I I
23:57>> So you try to keep it near the
24:00electrical room so you're not,
24:02>> you know, running that now. Um, so when
24:05you first saw it was right by the door,
24:07just off the door. That's why cuz the
24:09electrical room. So, you're saying the
24:10electrical room is right in the middle
24:12of that?
24:12>> Yes, it is.
24:13>> It Okay.
24:14>> It is.
24:14>> That That's what I was trying to convey
24:16to you in my my comment,
24:18>> right? So, you know, so to head it off
24:20so I didn't have to waste time at the
24:21meeting.
24:22>> You know what I would do when you do
24:24that? Send them an email that says go
24:26take a look and see if you can see my
24:27comment.
24:27>> Yeah.
24:28>> I also again comments need should be
24:31part of the record too. And I don't I
24:33don't know if I'm not sure on this
24:36technology if like
24:37>> Yeah, if there was an article 78 if I
24:40would be able to import those comments
24:42into the record.
24:43>> Yeah, I think I think we always want to
24:45try to leave a paper trail.
24:46>> Well, that's why I was hoping that he
24:48would have had the comments. I could
24:49have
24:50>> She's saying I didn't see it and she
24:51doesn't see it and nobody else sees it.
24:53>> I don't have it.
24:54>> Cynthia doesn't see.
24:56>> But I think there's a way to do it. So,
24:58let me let me check on that. Yeah,
25:01unless he knows to look, it will just
25:03look like one comment until he double
25:05clicks it and then he'll see a string of
25:07comments.
25:07>> String of comments because you you could
25:09talk about that comment, too.
25:11>> Yeah.
25:12>> Yeah.
25:13I think that's more of an internal
25:14working,
25:15>> but I think that's what our attorney is
25:17trying to tell us is that you're then
25:19having a private conversation that not
25:20on the record.
25:21>> Well, well, if it goes to everybody, it
25:23should be circulated to everybody.
25:25>> Yes. But unless because then everybody
25:27can comment and that's good for us,
25:28>> right? Right. And it is it is it
25:31apparently it is in the PDF form. If you
25:34have pro, I guess if if you don't have
25:37pro and you don't have pro, then then we
25:40should kind of not do that.
25:42>> I think there's got to be a way to set
25:44it to red line.
25:46>> What?
25:47>> You want to send it to red [laughter]
25:48line
25:51>> because there's no way you're going to
25:53but if they're offering that service,
25:57it's like a document. a word doc or
26:00excel
26:02send a red line.
26:03>> I mean if you want to do that maybe you
26:05just copy I could just send it to you
26:08make a list of the comments and export
26:10them.
26:12>> Yeah I'll just copy and I could copy and
26:14past there's a lot of ways I could do
26:15it. I just
26:16>> but I think the point is is not to have
26:18a um a dialogue that is not part of the
26:21record.
26:22>> I don't know.
26:22>> Right. Right. Is is there an issue with
26:25the quorum rules? Like if one person is
26:28talking
26:29>> Oh, interesting.
26:30>> What was that?
26:31>> Um, is there an issue with the quorum if
26:34if they're making comments on on a cloud
26:37document?
26:38>> I mean, it's it's new technology. I'm
26:41not sure I'll be able to get an opinion
26:42on it, but yes, I think it it's
26:44potentially open meetings violation
26:45because you're having discussions open
26:48dialogue the public isn't able to log
26:50into and see. [clears throat] You're not
26:51having it at an open meeting.
26:54Interesting.
26:54>> But how is that different than a a
26:56meeting like if you're talking if you're
26:59talking to Larry about something if if
27:01one of us is talking to Larry about
27:03something that you know comes up.
27:06>> No, no. If it's you and Larry, that's a
27:09conversation. But if it's you and Larry
27:13>> in the cloud
27:13>> and Gigi and Chris and Dylan, that's a
27:16meeting,
27:17>> right? I Okay, I understand. So the
27:19question is is the fact that it's the
27:21cloud where everyone can see and comment
27:23and comment to your comment. Does that
27:25make it a dialogue?
27:27>> I'll have to talk to Adobe to see if
27:29they shut that off. Then
27:30>> the question too is if you marked the
27:33document as a red line document and the
27:35and the comments are on top microphone,
27:37please
27:38>> and the comments are on top of the
27:39document where everybody can see it when
27:41they open it,
27:42>> then it might not be
27:44>> interesting
27:44>> because then everybody can see it. Well,
27:47I'm glad I'm glad it happened because
27:49that's why you know it.
27:50>> Well, and and also he's not and if they
27:52don't know to look and they're not even
27:54getting your comments. So,
27:55>> right. So, it's a m it's a moot point
27:56from that.
27:57>> Okay. So, I'll hear your comments when
27:59we go around.
28:00>> Yeah. Well, yeah, that I mean that was
28:02the thing was
28:03>> he was trying to give you a heads up and
28:05get there early.
28:06>> But he was trying to get get
28:07>> so that you would have an answer for my
28:10comment basically.
28:11>> No, I I do. But I I would say that it I
28:14like the idea of getting early comments,
28:17but that
28:19>> they should either you should like send
28:20them to Cynthia and have her send them
28:22or something so that there is this
28:25record so that we know.
28:26>> Yeah.
28:27>> Okay.
28:29>> So that's it for me.
28:31>> Really? Okay. [laughter]
28:35>> He wants out.
28:37>> All right.
28:37>> No, no, I don't don't want out. I want
28:39to get it done.
28:40>> Yep. Yep. So, Miss Moss, what comments
28:43do you have on this phase phase four?
28:46>> None at the moment. No.
28:48>> Okay. Miss Franson, we've all been quite
28:50busy in the last day or so.
28:52>> Yes. So, in terms of comments, the
28:55anything that hadn't been addressed is
28:58been requested to be a condition.
29:00>> Uh, but the one thing I would like to
29:02highlight is the lighting plan is still
29:04off. Um, when I looked at it, the 99
29:06version, there's a foot candle around
29:0910.1
29:11and we needed to be under five. So, and
29:15the table, the chart on the lighting
29:17plan says that it's under five, but it
29:19the actual numbers imply that. So, so
29:22that's just something that we have to
29:23review, continue to review for
29:26>> there's almost always something like
29:27that in these lighting plans. And then
29:29as we make the changes, it just turns
29:31out that there might be other revisions
29:32that have to be made for consistency
29:34purposes, but that was the one
29:36highlight. Um, we also had already
29:38discussed and uh I think decided at a
29:42prior meeting that the recreation plan
29:44will come back to the board. There were
29:46just so many potential changes and
29:49design options. It's not something that,
29:51you know, consultants should really
29:53weigh in on. It's really something that
29:54the board has to. So
29:56>> there was like no uh lighting on the
29:58buildings and
30:00>> yeah that has to so all of that's going
30:01to be built into recreation plan that um
30:05the planning board will get to review
30:07again. So lighting recreation I think
30:09were the the highlight
30:10>> show condition.
30:12>> Yeah. Others some were addressed um
30:14>> good.
30:15>> So I think we I think there's progress
30:17made and these will just be final review
30:19>> and we're going to have a discussion
30:20after everybody's comments of how to
30:22pull this
30:23>> all together. Yes. Sounds good. Thank
30:25you, Mr. Harvey.
30:27>> Yeah. So, I didn't have a chance to
30:28review the whole plan set that came in
30:30on 99, but a couple things I noticed is
30:32that um in a in addressing the fire
30:35department's comments with the new
30:36exits, we don't have any walkways to or
30:39from those exits.
30:40>> No, no walkways.
30:41>> So, those exits only used in event of
30:43emergency or could they be used by
30:45anybody anytime?
30:46>> No. No, that is intended to be
30:48emergency. They'll they'll be locked, I
30:50think, on the outside.
30:51>> So, an alarm will go off, right? Like a
30:53landing.
30:54>> It has a landing. I guess my concern was
30:55like in the winter snow removal if
30:57someone if a fire happened in the winter
30:59is that going to prevent a
31:00>> door open if there's a Yeah.
31:02>> I and that's I just wanted to ask the
31:03question if the planning board wanted to
31:05consider walkways or something there or
31:06even just make sure that the landscape
31:08>> should be signage at least right
31:09>> of the route.
31:10>> I don't know I don't know how that gets
31:11handled.
31:13>> Yeah. Well, we we have a landing and a
31:15and a spot right on it but no sidewalk.
31:18>> It's not intended to be
31:20>> No, understood. But but if in the winter
31:23they're pushing all their snow up
31:24against it.
31:25>> Well, no, no, it won't be pushed. The
31:27snow won't be pushed up against the
31:28door. It just be whatever naturally
31:30falls.
31:31>> Okay.
31:31>> Yeah. Yeah. But what we will do is we'll
31:34shovel the landing.
31:36>> Yeah, you clear the landing.
31:37>> Yeah, we're going to clear the landing
31:38so you can get out
31:40>> and get out.
31:42>> It looked like some of the landscaping
31:43conflict with that that route, too. So,
31:45we're just making sure there's a clear
31:46way out, I think, is is what we need to
31:48see. And I think landscaping is almost
31:51always a condition also
31:53>> uh for these final as we get closer and
31:57>> finalize the plans.
31:58>> So the other thing that went with that I
31:59think was um the floor plan adjustments
32:01to move the stairwells to exit on the
32:03parking lot sides. So I don't know if we
32:05saw did we see the updated floor plans
32:07and how that ended up working.
32:09>> Did you end up sending something to the
32:10fire department?
32:11>> Yeah. No, we we sent the um
32:15uh
32:17>> Yeah. Yeah. The floor, the stair tower
32:19gets moved from the inside courtyard
32:23side to the outside.
32:25And if you want to see floor plans Yes.
32:28>> The fire department wanted to see those,
32:30right?
32:30>> Yeah. So, you should send them over.
32:32>> Yeah. Okay.
32:33>> That would be good.
32:34>> I just wanted the plan to get a chance
32:35to see them if they've changed.
32:37>> Yep.
32:37>> They're changed
32:38>> cuz they're done. Yep.
32:39>> Um that was all I had on that.
32:41>> Okay, good. Miss Badoro.
32:46So um we have collated comments uh from
32:50the planner and the engineer although
32:52the engineer has not finished the review
32:54of the newest plan set.
32:57>> Um so I think we are like this close
33:01we're very close this close to pulling
33:03it all together. Um I just want to make
33:06sure that we're not overlooking little
33:07details that got switched when the plans
33:09were updated on September 9th.
33:12>> I think that's a fair point. Um, but I
33:14do want to I do want to commend
33:16everybody for um diligently trying to
33:20get uh take a look at the original 68
33:23conditions and going through all the new
33:26plans sets even with the there was new
33:29ones and then there were even newer
33:30ones. So I appreciate though the level
33:33of detail and um effort that has gone
33:36into getting us to this point.
33:39Um, I'd like to get our uh comments from
33:41the board and then we need to talk about
33:43next steps. So, Mr. Tuttle, what
33:45comments do you have?
33:47>> Um, I had the same comment about the
33:50egress as Tom particularly. It seemed
33:53like it was a cleared area right around
33:55the door, but that the landscaping there
33:57was still landscaping in between.
34:00>> Um, I had a similar comment about the
34:02lighting. It seems like the the building
34:04mounted lights are the problem,
34:05especially in the courtyard. You're
34:07getting spots of 14 foot candles.
34:10>> Oh, is that where you get the 14?
34:11>> That's where I saw the highest numbers
34:13was in the courtyards underneath the the
34:15building mounted can lights.
34:17>> Oh, those guys.
34:18>> Yep.
34:18>> All right, let me see. [snorts]
34:22>> Yeah, there we go.
34:37underneath these guys.
34:38>> Yep. Got a 14 right next to that one.
34:40Got an 11 right next to that one.
34:41>> I'm sorry. Where's that right there?
34:44>> Yep.
34:45>> There's just a few that are Oh, these
34:47are sort of spotlight can lights.
34:49>> Yeah.
34:50>> Um that are going to create these hot
34:52spots. So, it might be a fixture issue
34:54that might need to update the
34:55>> Okay, got it. Got it.
34:58>> I don't know how anybody can read those
34:59numbers. [laughter]
35:01>> Need a computer.
35:08Okay.
35:09>> Uh, that's that's all I have. The Rob
35:12just raised a a good point about the
35:13courtyards that that he can talk about
35:15here, but I might chime in on as well.
35:17>> Okay. Mr. Waters.
35:19>> Okay. Uh, one of the comments I had,
35:22like I I said I had submitted, but it
35:25went into space somewhere. Um, it was
35:29from the amen amenities building. I'm
35:31What is the amenities building? What is
35:33it? Is it for party parties? Is it
35:36barbecues? Uh
35:37>> it's mainly um
35:40a place to barbecue that kind of thing
35:42out of the rain. It's a shelter.
35:43>> So So certain tenants could could they
35:46book that like for part like Okay. Okay.
35:48So here here was my question with that
35:50and it's just again it might be a might
35:54have to stay the way it is because I
35:56know you're constrained with space is
35:59when you come out of that building you
36:02have a straight you have to pass through
36:03the pool you have to go around the pool
36:06to get to the fire pit. I it's just a
36:09silly question without having some kind
36:11of foot path along in in a garden maybe
36:15in a in a you know u uh you know
36:18butterfly garden or whatever along the
36:21building or wherever your landscaping
36:23is. So, so in other words, my concern
36:26was suppose somebody's in a wheelchair
36:28or ADA and they have to go from that
36:30building, they have to go through around
36:33the pool,
36:33>> right? So, you're here
36:34>> because you're going to have lounges,
36:35lounge chairs there and things like
36:37that.
36:37>> So, you're here and you want to go to
36:39here.
36:39>> Yeah.
36:40>> You got to go through the pools.
36:42>> Yeah. Yeah. And that's going to be
36:43gated, right, and locked. So, you're
36:45going to have to have a path, you know,
36:46it's going to it might create an issue.
36:48>> Is there a walkway though between the
36:50wall and the fence? No, this is 50 ft
36:54wide.
36:55>> Oh, wow. Okay.
36:56>> How How wide is it?
36:57>> 50.
36:58>> The whole thing is 50 ft.
36:59>> The whole thing is 50 yard.
37:01>> But still, it's just
37:02>> the pool is 20 by 40, then you get the
37:0410 decks on it.
37:05>> I mean, are little kid, you know, if mom
37:07and dad are down by the fire pit and the
37:10child was over here and they're going to
37:11go through, do they have to go around
37:13the pool and
37:14>> Yeah. Yeah.
37:16>> way this would Yeah. No, that's a
37:20>> Okay.
37:21That's all
37:23>> from a I mean we already we could get
37:24the sign off from the fire chief. It's a
37:26little surprising like there is that
37:28sort of space issue for fire too going
37:31through there I would think. Right. You
37:33got these narrow
37:33>> go through here.
37:34>> Yeah.
37:35>> And they're okay with that. I mean
37:36you've talked to him about that. I mean
37:38>> I didn't talk to him but I
37:40>> he
37:42can't they go out both ways. I mean they
37:43can go out both ends of the building on
37:45that one because they made more room by
37:47rotating the amenity building and they
37:49could still go out to the left. They
37:51could come in from the other side. You
37:52mean?
37:52>> Yeah.
37:52>> Yeah.
37:53>> So, they could go either way to get out,
37:55I guess. It looks like
37:56>> Sure. So, I mean, that's good if it's
37:57not a fire issue. It's just sort of if
37:59if if you live on the other side of that
38:01building, you come out that door, you've
38:04got to go through the area.
38:05>> Yeah. To get
38:06>> But I suppose what we could do is narrow
38:08a deck on the not, you know, on the the
38:13shade side, right? So, it wouldn't be
38:15this side. It would be this side. You
38:17could narrow that deck and squeeze in
38:18the walk here. Uh that that was just you
38:20know like I said I
38:22>> I don't know if you want to do that
38:23though Larry because then you're
38:24bottlenecking
38:26>> the people around
38:27>> the people in the pool area. Yeah.
38:29>> Yeah. And you can't move the fire pit
38:31closer to the building because then you
38:32have a
38:33>> then that is a fire issue.
38:35>> Fire issue. I you know I think
38:38>> I don't know.
38:38>> It might have to be the way it is. I but
38:41it was a it was something I I noticed
38:44and I said to myself that's kind of like
38:46now you're going to have to have
38:48everybody who's a guest is going to have
38:50to have a key card to get through the
38:53gate to get down to the fire pit unless
38:55they just walk on the lawn or through
38:56the gardens.
38:59That's why I was saying maybe there
39:00could be a you know little foot path in
39:02there
39:04>> to get around the pool.
39:05>> Yeah. So,
39:08I mean, that's a good that's a good
39:10point. Um,
39:15like I said, we could narrow one side of
39:17the deck and and put a walk. Uh,
39:21>> I got to I got to think about that.
39:22>> Yeah.
39:25Like I said, I'm I don't I I just It was
39:28just something I saw, that's all. And
39:30I'm not It's not going to be something
39:33I'm like going to that's it, you know?
39:37[laughter] Do it. I mean cuz you're
39:39done.
39:40>> Yeah. You're That's it. No.
39:42>> And No. For me,
39:44>> it's you've got more space on the other
39:46courtyard.
39:46>> Yes.
39:47>> And and it's a similar situation where
39:50the doors on the east side of the
39:52building.
39:52>> Yeah.
39:53>> And the doors on the west side. The only
39:56accessible path sort of connecting
39:58through the courtyard is through the the
39:59pool area. And
40:01>> yep.
40:06>> Yeah. Same thing.
40:08>> Yeah. I know this is a maybe it's a dumb
40:11question. I'm not sure. But
40:13if you push the pool all if you push the
40:16pool all the way down
40:18>> and put the fire pit between the
40:19building and the pool,
40:21I mean, is that really a fire issue?
40:25I mean, between the amenity building and
40:27the uh and the pool.
40:28>> No, he's saying if you switched it, this
40:30>> guy stick it here and move the pool down
40:32here.
40:33>> Yeah. Move it down and you create a
40:35courtyard in front of the amenity
40:36building, which is kind of nice with a
40:39fire pit and people It's like And you
40:41have, you know, the building opens up
40:43into a mini courtyard with the fire pit.
40:48>> I don't want to change anything. I'm
40:49just
40:51>> I don't know. I mean,
40:53>> you're going to dig a hole for the pool.
40:55>> I mean, it's not just circulation on
40:56these amended spaces. It's also
40:58accessibility. I mean, this is really
41:01the issue. So, it there might be a a way
41:05to mix it up, Larry, where you switch
41:08the components, but I think your
41:10accessibility issue is is still going to
41:14be an issue in these spaces.
41:21Think
41:22>> food for thought.
41:23>> Got to think about it.
41:24>> Okay.
41:26>> Anything else, Rob?
41:28>> No. Okay.
41:29>> I hate it,
41:30>> Mr. [laughter] Oliver.
41:32>> Good comments. Good comments.
41:34>> No comments.
41:35>> Okay. Miss Lee,
41:36>> no other comments. Sorry. Thank you.
41:37>> Okay. Thank you,
41:38>> Mr. Garcio.
41:39>> None.
41:41>> Okay. Um, my only uh question is, so the
41:46pool lighting is dictated by Department
41:48of Health.
41:49>> Mhm. Um, and I think I saw
41:52>> and the whole per pool permit
41:54>> the whole permitting. Right. Right. So,
41:56from a lighting perspective, it could be
41:58pretty bright around the pool, right?
42:01>> Yeah. They have pretty high.
42:03>> Yeah. You don't want people stumbling
42:04around at night.
42:07>> So, we'll concern
42:08>> that's not on here, right? We don't know
42:10what that is.
42:11>> Okay.
42:11>> This is not a pool permit plan.
42:14>> Gotcha.
42:17>> Okay. Um, is there anybody here from the
42:20public that would like to speak to this
42:21application?
42:23>> Okay. So, let's talk about next steps.
42:26>> Um, we did have a draft resolution
42:29pulled together at the 11th hour this
42:31afternoon, but nobody's really had a
42:33chance to review it, and we know that
42:36there's been five [clears throat]
42:37revised plan sheets that have come out
42:40in the last week. So, we were talking
42:42before uh tonight's meeting about how we
42:46move and get to a signed conditional
42:49approval.
42:51>> So consultants, we would like to see if
42:53we could get
42:56everyone here and do a page turn with
42:58the final plan set because like Tom has
43:01not done that and match them up against
43:05the resolution as it stands
43:07and just it's a great opportunity to
43:10just um figure out
43:12the final list of res uh conditions on
43:15the resolution. So because it's 3 weeks
43:19now between the next meeting so we don't
43:21want to wait 3 weeks.
43:23>> I just want to ask a question. Are we
43:24are we basing that on the 99 submission
43:26or are we expecting something new?
43:28>> 99
43:30>> 99. Uh yes.
43:35So we have the electronic plan set and
43:37we have a do we have the physical plan
43:39set
43:40>> and the five sheets
43:42>> and the five updated sheets. Right.
43:45because it was 91 and 99.
43:48>> I have five sheets,
43:50>> right? So, those are the sheets.
43:51>> So, we're trying to figure out how to do
43:52a page turn.
43:52>> So, that's the current paper set.
43:58>> The five pages,
43:59>> five pages plus the uh the [snorts] set
44:02full set that was submitted prior to it
44:05was submitted um
44:07>> is that 91?
44:08>> I think they never got paper.
44:11August 18th.
44:13>> We got digital copies of the whole 99.
44:16Yeah.
44:16>> Right. But that's hard to do a page
44:18turn.
44:18>> August 18th [snorts] was the
44:20>> Okay. So that there was an August 18th
44:23full submission, right?
44:24>> Yeah. For the September 2nd planning
44:27board. Then we
44:28>> then five updated sheets, right? met
44:31with the fire chief during that period
44:33of
44:34and then we presented those sheets uh
44:37the changes at the September 2nd meeting
44:41and we reissued the electronic set last
44:45week.
44:46>> Okay.
44:46>> With those five set sheets.
44:48>> So if we take the August 18th submission
44:50and we have the five updated plan
44:53>> Y
44:53>> sheets
44:54>> that we swap out
44:56>> and the two elevations
44:57>> and the two elevation sheets that were
44:59submitted. You can do a page turn
45:02and and be
45:05comfortable that you're looking at all
45:06of the most recent submissions
45:10>> and then that way
45:11>> if if you want Cynthia, I'll run a a
45:14clean full set
45:15>> if that's helpful.
45:16>> I think we can manage. Okay,
45:19>> we can't manage I would say we can
45:20manage with just those seven sheets to
45:22swap out, but
45:24>> I've been overruled there.
45:26>> But it is different. There's lighting
45:27changes. That's what I'm I'm challenged
45:28by. It doesn't seem complete.
45:30>> No, the lighting changes are in the
45:34five.
45:35>> They're in the five that were submitted
45:37on the second,
45:38>> but those were incorporated in 99,
45:41right? Those are part of the 99 set.
45:43>> Yes. Correct.
45:44>> Yes.
45:44>> And there's still issues,
45:46>> right? So,
45:47>> so that's the page.
45:48>> So, they don't go away. I mean, they
45:49don't go away. They just
45:51>> you'll be you'll be able to detail the
45:53condition maybe more fully.
45:55>> We're not making any new changes. We
45:56just need a final set that we can write
45:58our conditions.
45:59>> I'm happy to do that.
46:04>> That's the digital set.
46:06>> Are we sure? [laughter]
46:09>> That's my concern is just are we certain
46:11that more comfortable having a print of
46:13the 99 set all one set so we don't have
46:15to mix and match
46:16>> just in case. Okay. Yeah.
46:19>> At least one. So then so then the next
46:22question is when can we meet?
46:26Then again, this is all your calendars.
46:30I don't think we're going to be able to
46:31do it for Friday mornings, Victoria,
46:33because I don't think we'll have a full
46:34plan set by then.
46:38>> I I mean, I was saying I'm free all day
46:40Friday if we wanted to do it this
46:42Friday.
46:42>> I can I can get you a full plan this
46:44Friday. I can't
46:46>> by Friday.
46:47>> Yeah, I'll have I'll have
46:51>> I can't.
46:54>> All right. So
46:56talk did you how do your calendars look?
46:59>> Are we looking to include the applicant
47:01and the planning board?
47:02>> No, no, this is just consultant page
47:04turn to define a definitive set of
47:08conditions for the this resolution that
47:11we would like to do. And then when you
47:14do, you can go off and get that
47:16resolution written. And then we would
47:19like to set we would like to set a
47:21special meeting
47:23to approve the conditional
47:25approval. I can do Tuesday and Thursday
47:28of next week.
47:29>> Tuesday and Thursday.
47:30>> Yeah. My Fridays I have events going on.
47:34>> I could do Thursday the 24th.
47:36>> How are you in the morning?
47:38>> 24th.
47:39>> How early?
47:41>> I could be here early.
47:43>> What's 9:39?
47:45>> Bonnie's driving the farthest. I I can
47:48come up early if that's what everybody
47:49needs.
47:51>> So, what time on the 24th?
47:54>> 8:30 or 9ine?
47:55>> 9. [laughter]
47:56>> Okay.
47:58>> Okay. So, no. No. No. Next week is fine,
48:02Larry, to bring in that full plan set.
48:04So, Thursday
48:0624th is a week from tomorrow.
48:08>> Yep. So, if you can get a full plan set
48:09in by Friday or Monday, that would be
48:11great.
48:12>> Okay.
48:14That way it's just here in case anybody
48:16want to get wants to get a preview.
48:18>> So then the next question is
48:20>> if you guys do page turn
48:24>> and you get the list of conditions,
48:27when would we have a prepared resolution
48:30because I would like to adjourn our
48:33public hearing to a date where we can
48:35have a special meeting
48:37and consider the approval of that
48:40resolution. So for me the idea is that I
48:43would we would we would try to craft the
48:46conditions based on this discussion at
48:48the page turns kind of real time
48:51>> and then clean it up and send it around.
48:53So I would think we would have a final
48:55resolution by Monday the 28th.
49:04So then I have to ask my playing board
49:07colleagues
49:09so I'm I'm out.
49:12>> I'm wondering if we did something at
49:14five o'clock would we have
49:16>> or is during the day. How is everybody's
49:19schedules looking?
49:20>> That's actually open for me right now.
49:23>> Day is fine for me.
49:25>> Okay. Uh what time?
49:31>> There's a there's a chance I might get
49:32something scheduled I can't miss between
49:34now and then, but at the moment it's
49:36totally open. So,
49:37>> okay.
49:39So when should we what
49:40>> what day?
49:41>> Uh Monday the 28th
49:44are we confident about the this or
49:46should we buy us ourselves a little bit
49:48of time?
49:49>> I prefer
49:50>> it's I think you guys are really close.
49:51So I I think that
49:53>> it's it's really cleaning it up.
49:55>> We were just talking about
49:57>> whether the cons I'm out that week but I
49:59don't necessarily have to be here if you
50:01just have a resolution. Yeah. Okay.
50:03>> And we only need four, right?
50:04>> And we only we need four planning board
50:06members. We need Cynthia.
50:09>> Yeah.
50:09>> And if possible, it'd be nice to have
50:12this video, but
50:14>> but it would be noticed. It would be
50:15public. It would be the
50:16>> right. I'd like to adjourn the public
50:17hearing to whatever date we choose and
50:19time.
50:20>> I'll make sure I make myself available
50:22for whatever time.
50:22>> So, is there a feel for time?
50:24>> On the 28th. I could only do the evening
50:27and I
50:28>> Okay, we might have But we might have
50:29four if
50:32one, two, three. Don probably can.
50:35>> Yeah. And if not, so if we do it later
50:38in the day,
50:40>> what when you say evening?
50:41>> Um, anytime after like uh
50:45>> 10:00 at night,
50:46>> like after 4 p.m.
50:48>> After 4.
50:55>> So maybe 5:00 on Monday the 28th.
51:00>> I Madam Secretary, that
51:04>> unless they
51:05But they are the other names.
51:07>> Okay.
51:08>> Do we want to try that then?
51:10>> Hold on.
51:10>> So, do we want to close the hearing
51:12tonight and then if that doesn't work,
51:14you can
51:16>> have to continue the hearing to a
51:18specific date.
51:19>> So, we'd like to Yeah.
51:21>> Monday the 28th at 5:00 p.m.
51:22>> If we
51:24Why not close the hearing
51:27>> today?
51:28has a new submission
51:29>> if there's no new submission coming.
51:32That way if something does go wrong with
51:34the date, we're not having to like
51:36>> show up scramble scramble
51:38>> scramble open the open and close the the
51:40>> do a full full-blown scramble.
51:42>> Right. Right. Keep it simple.
51:43>> Yeah.
51:43>> I don't know.
51:44>> I am I'm fine with that.
51:46>> I I mean I think the public has had a
51:48ample opportunity to comment.
51:50>> Yep. Um
51:50>> agreed.
51:51>> No one came tonight.
51:53>> Yep. And if you're not and there's no
51:55new no new changes between now and the
51:57next meeting.
51:58>> Correct.
51:59>> Okay. Yes. I mean, we've given you food
52:01for thought, but we didn't say go change
52:03something,
52:04>> right?
52:04>> Okay.
52:05>> Oh.
52:06>> All right. So, I'm comfortable with
52:07that. Closing it tonight and then
52:09shooting for Monday the 28th
52:13>> 5 p.m.
52:13>> at 5.
52:14>> I can't do five. I can do anytime during
52:17the day. So, if you need
52:18>> Okay. So, it looks like we could
52:20>> we can make it. And what about you and
52:22you for time during the day?
52:24>> Five is probably ideal because if
52:25something does come up during the day
52:27then I it would have to take president
52:28but um yeah but five is good
52:32>> and you could do five. All right. So we
52:33>> I could do here tonight we would have
52:35four at five.
52:37>> Whatever it takes to get it done.
52:39>> Okay. No worries. But thank you for
52:41that.
52:42>> And I may be able to come.
52:44>> Yep. Yep. Okay. So, we have a page turn
52:46scheduled for next Thursday at 9:00 and
52:50then a resolution to be ready and uh
52:53considered for approval on 9:28 at 5:00
52:56p.m.
53:01>> Any other comments on that?
53:03>> Close the hearing tonight.
53:04>> So, we would be closing the public
53:05hearing tonight.
53:07>> Yeah, I think that I mean that works.
53:09>> Okay. Did I ask does anybody from the
53:12public want to have one last chance to
53:15comment on this application?
53:18If not, may I get a motion to close the
53:21public hearing?
53:21>> So move. Second.
53:23>> All in favor, please say I.
53:24>> I.
53:25>> Thank you everybody. So
53:27>> great. Thank you very much.
53:29>> We're looking at uh the 28th.
53:31>> Yep. Sounds like a great plan.
53:33Appreciate uh you making that happen.
53:37>> Thank you.
53:38>> Have a great time.
53:38>> Enjoy your day tomorrow. Yes. Enjoy the
53:40fishing.
53:41>> Yeah. Well,
53:44>> I am uh
53:45>> just remember you might need a bigger
53:46boat.
53:47>> I'm going home, changing, and then
53:50driving through
53:52through London.
53:53>> Yep.
53:58[laughter]
54:00>> Thank you.
54:01>> Thank you. All right. There are no more
54:03public hearings scheduled. Our next item
54:06on the agenda is a workshop with
54:08Vanderbilt Lane Morton additional
54:11dwelling.
54:24Excuse me.
54:34>> He's got it.
54:35>> Yeah.
54:39>> Yeah. I think Yeah.
54:44>> Yeah.
54:46Take a picture of that and send it over.
55:03and the blue mouse should work
55:05>> great
55:05>> from there on that. Good evening.
55:08>> Hi, thank you so much for having us for
55:10this workshop. Uh my name is Jane Elasa.
55:12I'm the project manager at River
55:14Architects.
55:16>> Hi. Uh good to see you again, James
55:17Hartford, River Architects. Um you've
55:20seen this project before. Um there's
55:23been some uh uh pretty uh major changes
55:26uh due to some personal um issues um
55:29that the clients have uh endured. Um but
55:33um we've uh rethought the project um
55:35kind of scaling it down. Um uh if you
55:39recall earlier we had a a um a larger
55:42swimming pool very close to the uh
55:44wetlands buffer zone um and uh a larger
55:49kind of pool house facility as well as
55:51quite a large um personal uh wood shop
55:54and ceramist uh studio um as well as a
55:58guest house. And now we've kind of
56:00scaled all of those things back. Um a
56:02much smaller pool keeping it away from
56:05the uh steep slopes area as well as the
56:07wetlands uh setback. And then um a
56:10smaller guest house um kind of a a small
56:13kind of uh uh special uh kitchen for uh
56:18personal events there. Um as well as um
56:21a pool house uh with a you know again
56:23the scaleback uh pool. That's sort of
56:26the nut
56:26>> and they'll make it a little bit easier
56:28to
56:29>> to work with. Right.
56:30>> Great. Yeah. And also with us is Rahul,
56:33our uh civil engineer.
56:35>> Rahul Verma as [clears throat] the site
56:37civil engineer.
56:38>> Thank you.
56:38>> Working with the river architect team.
56:39>> Welcome.
56:40>> Welcome.
56:41>> Yeah. So um much smaller impervious area
56:45and um we've also removed the driveway
56:48that was in the original application.
56:51So, because of the smaller scale and
56:54just that the owners felt like they
56:56didn't need a secondary driveway, we're
56:58using the current driveway to 9
57:01Vanderbilt Lane, the existing house
57:02there. And we just have a banked parking
57:05area for uh meeting the code requirement
57:08for that. We've also spoken with the
57:10fire department and they have uh we we
57:14staked all of the buildings kind of
57:16where they would be on site as they are
57:17on the site plan and reviewed how that
57:20access would work. And so the um what he
57:23had asked and we had shown on this site
57:25plan.
57:27Maybe I shouldn't have made it full
57:28screen.
57:34I just scroll. Um, what he'd asked for
57:38instead is
57:47get there in a second.
57:54Is this uh fire access that's going to
57:57be brick paved, which is in keeping with
58:00some of the brick paving, like permeable
58:02paving that they have around the site.
58:04And so this shoots off of the existing
58:08driveway. And he was happy with the
58:10access, making sure that a fire hose
58:13could get to any point in the building.
58:15Um, and he just asked that the buildings
58:18had some sort of label on them like ABC
58:21D so that if there's a fire, he knows
58:23he's going to Vanderbilt Lane, but he
58:25knows also which building. So the fire
58:27alarms will correspond to good fire
58:29department. So, we spoke about that and
58:31um are making sure to incorporate uh
58:34that ask. And so, this is that bent
58:36parking area. We don't want to add more
58:38hardscape. So, this is just um enough
58:41space for the cars to park there in case
58:44they do have more, but it's more of like
58:46a I I just I doubt that they'll really
58:48use it, but we have it just in case.
58:51>> We're also removing less trees than we
58:53were last time. I think previously we
58:54were thinking of removing 11 trees. Now,
58:57there's only two. Um, actually the
58:59buildings don't remove that. It's just
59:01for the fire access that we're removing
59:03those two by the uh kind of like
59:06driveway uh tea. Um,
59:11what else? Yeah, the pool the pool is
59:13much smaller. It's a saltwater pool
59:15here. There's a brick paving around and
59:17there will be a pool fence around that
59:18as well. We'll make sure to have alarms
59:21as code requires for the two doors that
59:24leave the pool house and go towards the
59:26pool area. There's no other access into
59:27the pool house except for except for
59:30those. Um,
59:32yeah, I think Oh, and we filed the plat
59:35the minor subdivision that we went
59:37through last time, that was all filed
59:38with the county, and that's actually the
59:40first page of our PDF application. So,
59:43all of that, including the deed, was
59:45filed and straightened out um as part of
59:47our last kind of round of reviewing with
59:49you all.
59:50>> Excellent. That makes makes this phase a
59:52little bit easier.
59:54>> Um, yeah. So, we're looking forward to
59:55your comments and any questions you
59:57have. Um, thank you so much for
59:59considering the application.
1:00:00>> Thank you. Uh, well, thank you for all
1:00:02the work that you've done on this,
1:00:03especially contacting the fire
1:00:04department. That's always very helpful.
1:00:06I, as you may remember the last time, we
1:00:08spent a lot of time with them. Um, so
1:00:11Miss Moss,
1:00:15>> um, I I'm happy to see that the pool has
1:00:18been moved a little bit away from that
1:00:20slope and the impervious,
1:00:22uh, is being dealt with. Um, you're
1:00:25including some pvious areas. Um, and I'm
1:00:29happy that you contacted the fire
1:00:31department in advance and I have no
1:00:34other comments.
1:00:35>> Okay, great.
1:00:36>> Thank you,
1:00:37>> Miss Ransom.
1:00:39Are there any material changes to the
1:00:41buildings or they're the same as what
1:00:43was previously reviewed?
1:00:44>> Uh, that's a great question. So,
1:00:45previously we were going to do a black
1:00:48painted wood vertical siding, but we've
1:00:50actually switched to a black cedar
1:00:52shingle, like a pine tar cedar shingle,
1:00:55cuz it's actually really similar to
1:00:56another building on a neighboring site
1:00:59that has a a cedar shake. So, we want to
1:01:01kind of be a little bit more in keeping
1:01:03with that tone, a little bit more
1:01:06traditional style. Um, and the roof will
1:01:08also be a cedar shingle. Before we had a
1:01:10standing seam or no, a corrugated black
1:01:12metal roof and now it's going to be
1:01:14cedar shingle as well.
1:01:15>> So, I would only ask whether the
1:01:17planning board needs to see some kind of
1:01:20>> detail, you know, material detail.
1:01:22>> We generally do you usually ask for some
1:01:25kind of material board. So if you're
1:01:27making changes, probably use be useful
1:01:28to show the board what what those are
1:01:32>> and and sometimes that can be as much as
1:01:34just like a link to the
1:01:36>> uh manufacturer site with the you know
1:01:38identification of which
1:01:40>> shape.
1:01:41>> Yeah. And then the trees themselves were
1:01:45those previously proposed to be removed
1:01:47or these are different trees?
1:01:49>> These are two different trees.
1:01:50>> And then what kind of trees are they
1:01:53diameter? Um, let me
1:01:56>> Was that shown?
1:02:00>> Um, I might not be able to see it
1:02:03completely. I'll I'll I'll follow up on
1:02:05that. It's It's a little like too light
1:02:08in this do have them measured.
1:02:10>> I appreciate that there's fewer trees
1:02:12being removed, but we don't necessarily
1:02:13then want to have two large specimen
1:02:16trees removed. I don't know what they
1:02:18are, so I'm just asking. They they are
1:02:19conifers and they're adjacent to the
1:02:22power lines there and then they get
1:02:24periodically lpped off on side every
1:02:27time the power company comes through. So
1:02:29they're actually harm trees. They're not
1:02:31healthy trees.
1:02:32>> Yeah.
1:02:32>> Even even if you could take a picture
1:02:34and just send it to the board, that'd be
1:02:35useful.
1:02:36>> Absolutely. We'll do that.
1:02:37>> Thank you.
1:02:38>> Thank you. Thank you, Mr. Harvey.
1:02:42>> So I asked um Pete Sero to look at this
1:02:43briefly since he was familiar with it
1:02:45before and he gave me some thoughts. Um
1:02:47he had a recollection of uh one of the
1:02:49buildings having a basement. Do any of
1:02:50the buildings have a basement anymore?
1:02:52>> Yes, there's one small basement in the
1:02:54uh in the kitchen uh and dining uh
1:02:57building. Um it's, you know, residential
1:03:00in scale.
1:03:01>> Any walkouts from that?
1:03:02>> No.
1:03:03>> Okay. Just cuz if there was, we'd want
1:03:04to see the spot grades and make sure
1:03:06that was clear how that was working out.
1:03:08>> Um and then in terms of the uh the
1:03:10septic, it appears there's a new
1:03:12nine-bedroom septic proposed.
1:03:14>> Um that's true. It's not clear to me
1:03:17entirely how many bedrooms are in each
1:03:19building that serve into that.
1:03:21>> I can that James um so I can speak to
1:03:24that. The the ninebedroom calculation
1:03:26was with the previous engineer
1:03:29>> that they were using. I have not been
1:03:30able to replicate that calculation
1:03:32myself just yet.
1:03:33>> Okay. Um I I will tell the board I am
1:03:36going out tomorrow to start doing some
1:03:37perk tests in this in the area shown
1:03:39here and another area and as well go
1:03:41through the um the health department's
1:03:43um loading chart to determine which with
1:03:45these revised uses what the correct
1:03:47application rate is
1:03:49>> to to design.
1:03:50>> Are there nine bedrooms total on the
1:03:52site or that's changed too?
1:03:53>> Four in the main residence, right? uh
1:03:55four in the main residence. And then
1:03:57we're adding we're considering each
1:03:59project or each property having one
1:04:02dwelling unit even though there's no
1:04:04bedrooms.
1:04:05>> Just in case in the future if the next
1:04:07person coming in wants to use a space as
1:04:10a bedroom. We just don't we want to make
1:04:12sure we have that approved at this
1:04:15point. So there's actually only one
1:04:17bedroom in the small studio ADU
1:04:19building.
1:04:20>> Mhm. Um, so our recommendation would be
1:04:22that you develop some kind of table or
1:04:24notes to include on the plan to make it
1:04:25clear how many bedrooms or how many
1:04:27bedrooms you're using for your
1:04:28calculations in each building so it's
1:04:31clear how that works out for you.
1:04:32>> Yeah. As I get into a conversation with
1:04:33the health department engineer that will
1:04:34be uh on those plans.
1:04:36>> Okay. And then regarding the erosion
1:04:38controls, I know you did an erosion
1:04:40control plan. You identified the
1:04:41disturbances mainly around the buildings
1:04:43and the structures. What we would need
1:04:45is those disturbance limits to be
1:04:47including any trenching, any tanks and
1:04:49be being done. And I know if you're
1:04:51reworking the septic, you'll need to
1:04:52look at that again. But we just need to
1:04:54make sure the limit disturbance that are
1:04:55shown in the plans cover all the
1:04:56disturbance.
1:04:57>> Yeah, that will be updated again as we
1:04:59finalize the septic plan.
1:05:01>> Um, obviously the sites served by
1:05:03Duchess Water and Waste Authority. Do we
1:05:05know where that's metered from them?
1:05:07>> Yes, there's a meter pit uh just to the
1:05:10right of the driveway, maybe 30 ft to
1:05:12the right.
1:05:13>> Okay. Could that be depicted on the
1:05:14plans? So, we have
1:05:15>> it is lab it's labeled on the plans and
1:05:17as it turns out it's a dual meter pit
1:05:19for both this property and for three
1:05:22Vanderbilt Road which is just to the
1:05:24left.
1:05:24>> Okay. So, in theory the the new uses and
1:05:26the new buildings and everything will be
1:05:28picked up based on that meter.
1:05:29>> Correct. Okay. Um and then the other
1:05:32thing that Pete mentioned is that
1:05:34previously and maybe it was due to the
1:05:35other driveway is that the trees along
1:05:37the Hunter property there was some notes
1:05:39or line work included in the plans to
1:05:40make sure they were retained. So, I
1:05:42don't know if the planning board or
1:05:43anybody wants to consider that. Now,
1:05:45>> I think they got rid of
1:05:46>> Say that again.
1:05:47>> The driveway got rid of it, but I don't
1:05:48know if if if they want to have notes to
1:05:51make sure the trees don't get cut. I
1:05:53mean, I guess by seeing limited
1:05:54disturbance, if it's outside of limited
1:05:55disturbance, it's covered.
1:05:56>> Yeah, that that should be good.
1:05:57>> Okay.
1:05:58>> Y and then um obviously Duchess Health
1:06:00Department approval will be required for
1:06:02the septic. So, I think that's all I
1:06:04have.
1:06:05>> That's great. I'm glad you were able to
1:06:06uh get get with Pete on that. He spent a
1:06:09lot of time on on the previous plan.
1:06:12Excellent. Miss Polodoro.
1:06:15>> Hi. Um, so we have a resolution to
1:06:18classify it and referred out tonight. It
1:06:21does need to go to Duchess County
1:06:23Department of Planning because it's near
1:06:25uh Route 9 and also uh be referred to
1:06:28historic preservation office, the fire
1:06:30department, should say fire district,
1:06:32and the Duchess County Department of
1:06:33Health uh just so we can start getting
1:06:35all those referrals going.
1:06:37>> Okay.
1:06:38>> Last time there was consultation with
1:06:39Shipo,
1:06:40>> right? on the the house and the
1:06:42materials.
1:06:43>> Does water and waste get included in
1:06:45that?
1:06:48>> Are they in the water district?
1:06:50>> They are. They're served by the their
1:06:51water system.
1:06:51>> Yeah, they have. So, let's add them.
1:06:53>> I think it'd be a good idea.
1:06:55>> Good catch.
1:07:04>> Oh, DCW.
1:07:07Okay. and DC.
1:07:15They're both
1:07:21Oh, sorry.
1:07:24>> John, you're going to have to add that,
1:07:25too. Okay, got it.
1:07:26>> It is
1:07:33fine.
1:07:34>> Any other comments?
1:07:38Uh,
1:07:38>> no, just when the new information comes
1:07:40in, we'll all evaluate it.
1:07:41>> Yep. Yep. Thank you.
1:07:42>> What exactly do you want John to add to
1:07:44the resolution, please?
1:07:45>> All he needs to add is at the end and
1:07:47Duchess County Water and Wastewater
1:07:48Authority.
1:07:50>> We
1:07:51>> You just put DCWWEA. Okay.
1:07:53>> Despite being Yes. Hide Park Fire
1:07:55Department is correct. So, we'll leave
1:07:56that even though it's also
1:07:58>> Yep.
1:08:00>> That's okay.
1:08:03>> This This will be the official Yeah,
1:08:05>> we can check that box.
1:08:07>> WW is AWA.
1:08:11>> Okay, thank you.
1:08:12>> Yeah, they they I'm sure they know that.
1:08:16>> Yeah,
1:08:17>> I forget how many W's are.
1:08:18>> So, you guys will have to actually
1:08:20upload into the Chris system for
1:08:23consultation for Shipo because they
1:08:24won't accept if if we just mail it to
1:08:26them.
1:08:30Anything else?
1:08:33Thank you very much. Uh, Mr. Tuttle,
1:08:35>> I have no comments. Thank you,
1:08:37>> Mr. Waters.
1:08:39>> I just had a couple things. I did the
1:08:41same thing to yours that I did to the
1:08:44previous [laughter]
1:08:46>> comments to the PDF.
1:08:48Okay. So,
1:08:49>> so go ahead and check the class.
1:08:50>> I Yeah, it's somewhere out there. So,
1:08:53[laughter] um but um the my question was
1:08:57one of the questions was an I I believe
1:08:59it was answered the basement uh whether
1:09:02they were you know I didn't know if it
1:09:04was a slab on grade with a you know
1:09:05frost wall or or how it was being
1:09:08treated. So that was one thing. Um then
1:09:10the uh siding is are those like 18inch
1:09:14perfection? I mean not it shake or is it
1:09:18perfections or shakes?
1:09:19>> Yeah. Okay. hand splits or whatever.
1:09:22Yeah. Okay. Yep. All right. Uh so that's
1:09:25that. Uh debris piles were they were
1:09:27cleared I think in previously.
1:09:30>> Yes, that was all.
1:09:31>> I thought so. Driveway issue that we
1:09:33don't have that lining up anymore
1:09:35because you're not putting in that
1:09:37second. Right. Okay. This is just for
1:09:40comment to just review what we had uh
1:09:44what the concerns were the last time.
1:09:46And how how far back off the road is it?
1:09:48I mean just can you even see it off the
1:09:52>> Yeah, you can see it.
1:09:52>> You can see
1:09:53>> we have actually a page that kind of
1:09:56shows what the current view of the road
1:10:00is. And so the edge of the pool house or
1:10:03the pool paving actually is behind that
1:10:06big oak tree about 20 ft past it.
1:10:09>> Okay. Yeah. Okay. So you barely could
1:10:12it's it's not going to be highly
1:10:13visible. It'll be nice to see. planted a
1:10:15row of like hedges here too that are
1:10:18bushing up. So, it's making it harder.
1:10:20>> Yeah. So, and uh that was it. And I
1:10:24apologize for the comments not getting
1:10:26[laughter] so but I did do my due
1:10:28diligence and review your comments. I
1:10:31love the drawing. The drawings were very
1:10:33nicely done, too. So, thank you.
1:10:35>> Thank you, Mr. Oliver.
1:10:37>> Uh, no comments. Thank you,
1:10:38>> Miss Lee. Uh, cool project and great
1:10:42edits and no other comments.
1:10:44>> Thank you, Mr. Garcio. Uh, no comments.
1:10:47>> Okay. Uh, I'm happy to I'm I'm sad to
1:10:50see you back, but I'm happy to see you
1:10:52back. Um, again, this is going to be a
1:10:54beautiful project and just fitting in so
1:10:57nicely with that little section of
1:10:58Height Park. Um, we really appreciate
1:11:01the level of detail that that you're
1:11:02bringing to the to that area. So, thank
1:11:05you. Uh
1:11:07so we do have a resolution prepared
1:11:11for this evening. That's me.
1:11:18>> Ready?
1:11:18>> Yep. Go ahead.
1:11:19>> Resolution to classify the project under
1:11:21seeker and to refer Duchess County
1:11:23Department of Planning and Development
1:11:25Bard Rock Creek at 9 Vanderbilt Lane.
1:11:28Resolution 2024-29C.
1:11:32Whereas, whereas, whereas, whereas Now,
1:11:34therefore, be it resolved that the
1:11:36planning board hereby classifies the
1:11:37project as a type two action. Be it
1:11:40further resolved that the planning board
1:11:42hereby directs its secretary to refer
1:11:44the project to Duchess County Department
1:11:45of Planning and Development pursuant to
1:11:47general municipal law 239-m
1:11:51further resolved that the planning board
1:11:53hereby directs the secretary to send a
1:11:55courtesy referral of the project to the
1:11:57state historic preservation office of
1:11:59Hide Park I mean of office and hide park
1:12:02fire department and the Duchess County
1:12:04Department of Health and DCWA
1:12:06Duchess County Wastewater Authority.
1:12:08Second.
1:12:10>> Any discussion? All in favor, please say
1:12:12I.
1:12:12>> I.
1:12:13>> I.
1:12:14>> Okay. And if we can, we'd like to set a
1:12:16public hearing for October 7th, 2026.
1:12:21Does that work?
1:12:22>> Can I get a motion?
1:12:24>> So moved. Second.
1:12:25>> All in favor, please say I.
1:12:27>> I.
1:12:28>> Excellent. So you we'll be back for our
1:12:31public hearing on the 7th.
1:12:34>> Great.
1:12:35>> Thank you so much.
1:12:37>> Thank you so much. very excited to see
1:12:38the project.
1:12:40>> Thank you.
1:12:48>> Our next item,
1:12:49>> do they want to tell me
1:12:51>> colors or the right way?
1:12:54>> Did you see anything materials?
1:12:55>> Yeah, they said they're going to
1:12:57>> submit the materials.
1:12:58>> The the thing that might hold us up is
1:13:00the Chris response from Shipo. So, just
1:13:04make sure to try to get that in as
1:13:05quickly as you as you can.
1:13:07Thank you.
1:13:07>> Yeah, we have an extra week this month.
1:13:09>> Yes, which is nice.
1:13:10>> And please add me as a contact on that
1:13:13submission.
1:13:14>> Then that way she gets to see him.
1:13:16>> Great.
1:13:16>> And then we get to see him
1:13:18>> on the first submission.
1:13:19>> Yes.
1:13:20>> The one thing I'm curious about is that
1:13:22we had previously submitted the much
1:13:24larger project um the an archaeological
1:13:28report. Um I'm wondering if I don't
1:13:32know. I know it's Shipo that we're
1:13:33dealing with. It's not you, right? Um,
1:13:35so I'm just kind of thinking out loud if
1:13:38that we do, you know.
1:13:40>> Is there any new disturbance area?
1:13:42>> No, actually we've shrunk the
1:13:44>> but it hasn't shifted anywhere else,
1:13:46>> right?
1:13:46>> So they'll probably consider that
1:13:49>> except they should they'll comment,
1:13:51[laughter] right?
1:13:52>> But when you I mean if you have a map
1:13:55that shows the limits of disturbance
1:13:56before and then after, it might help
1:13:58them
1:13:59>> do that.
1:14:00>> Yeah. Do a comparison and then that can
1:14:02be sent along with the referral.
1:14:04Yeah. That way they won't treat it as
1:14:06brand new.
1:14:07>> They can say, "Oh, you were here
1:14:08before." Oh, look. It's much smaller.
1:14:12>> Thank you for doing the cedar shake
1:14:14roof, too. That's
1:14:15>> That's [laughter]
1:14:17the way it should be done.
1:14:18>> Great. Thank you.
1:14:21>> That's That's
1:14:22>> our next item on the agenda is site plan
1:14:24waiver uh for Harrington. They are
1:14:27putting in uh HVAC and generator.
1:14:33I believe you have this one. I do.
1:14:399 Baker Street site plan waiver
1:14:42resolution number 2026-28.
1:14:46Whereas a request for site plan waiver
1:14:48has been made to the town of High Park
1:14:49Planning Board by Harold and Shirley
1:14:50Harrington on September 9th, 2026 to
1:14:53install a heat pump and a generator to
1:14:55the existing single family home in a
1:14:57historic overlay district. and whereas
1:14:59whereas whereas whereas now therefore be
1:15:01it resolved that the town of High Park
1:15:02Planning Board hereby wave site plan
1:15:04requirements for proposed changes as
1:15:05described in the request for a waiver of
1:15:08the site plan received by the planning
1:15:09department on September 9th 2026 and the
1:15:11building permit application dated
1:15:13[music] August 20th 2026
1:15:16>> second any discussion on this all in
1:15:18favor please say I
1:15:21>> any nays or abstensions motion passes
1:15:24unanimously if there's no other business
1:15:26may I get a motion to adjurnn
1:15:29I'll make that motion. Second.
1:15:31>> All in favor, please say I.
1:15:32>> I.
1:15:32>> I.
1:15:34>> Thank you. All motion passes. Thank you
1:15:36everybody for all your work. Um,
1:15:40>> so I've been looking at

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