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0:00Do you know where Mr. Myers is? Mars?
0:03Yes. John Myers? Oh, Meyer? No. No. I
0:06don't. He works for you, does he not,
0:09Mr. Hughes? He works for my company. It
0:11It may be It may be funny to you that he
0:13isn't here. I didn't laugh, Senator.
0:15Somebody laughed back there.
0:19Well, he's in your employee. Do you
0:21think that Mr. Meyers in business at the
0:23present time is more important than this
0:26committee hearing? Well, it's more
0:27important to my company. I can tell you
0:29that. Who in your company will know the
0:30whereabouts of Mr. Mars at the present
0:32time? I don't know that. But you've had
0:34him here for unlimited questioning, and
0:36I've brought him back here twice from
0:38abroad. I don't see why I should do any
0:40more than that. Just to accommodate you
0:42so you can put him up here beside me on
0:44the stand and make a publicity show out
0:46of it. Well, is that the reason he is
0:48not here? No, that is not the reason.
0:50But I think it's the reason you want him
0:52back. Well, I have some questions that I
0:54want to ask him. Why didn't you ask him
0:56while he was here? I brought him here
0:57twice from abroad for you. Well, now
0:59will you see that Mr. Mars comes in at
1:02the 2:00 session? What? Today? Yes. Uh,
1:06no, I don't think I will.
1:13That was the voice of Howard Hughes
1:15recorded in
1:171947 in a United States Senate chamber
1:20in Washington, DC.
1:22It was in the course of a hearing by a
1:24special senate committee into the
1:26affairs of Hughes and Transorld Airline
1:30which he owned and operated at that
1:34time. The purpose of those hearings, as
1:37historians have determined, was an
1:40attempt by certain groups within the
1:42Senate and outside to force Hughes to
1:46merge with another major company that
1:48was flying overseas at the time.
1:51Now, the Johnny Meyer mentioned by uh
1:55both the these
1:57antagonists was a public relations man
1:59who had been hired by Hughes at the
2:01beginning of World War
2:03II. And uh Meyer in the course of his
2:07business for Hughes had been
2:09entertaining
2:11various military figures in including
2:14Colonel Elliot Roosevelt, then an Air
2:17Force officer. Uh, and uh, all this was
2:20part of the effort to get military
2:22contracts and as a part of the inquiry,
2:27Meyer's name came up and you heard what
2:29Mr. Hughes told the United States
2:32Senate. Now, we're going on from
2:361947 to the time this very year
2:41when uh, Mr. Hughes gave a telephone
2:44interview from Nassau in the Bahamas to
2:48a group of newspaper men in uh who were
2:51in California. And on this
2:55uh conference call, they spoke to each
2:59other for almost 3 hours. And during the
3:01course of this, Mr. Hughes revealed
3:02himself perhaps more fully than at any
3:05time in his past.
3:08We have here some of the things that he
3:16said. Mr. Hughes, you have been
3:18confronted recently with one of the most
3:21amazing stories that anybody surely ever
3:25had to hear. The story from Clifford
3:28Irving that he had written your
3:29autobiography with your help and
3:32assistance and you have denied this
3:35publicly. Uh, let me ask you directly.
3:38Do you know a man named Irving? And did
3:40you ever help him or anyone else with
3:42your autobiography?
3:45Well, this must go down in history. I
3:50only wish I were still in the movie
3:51business because uh I don't remember any
3:55scripts as wild or as
3:57uh
4:00uh stretching of the imagination as this
4:03uh yarn has turned out to be. I'm not
4:07talking about the biography itself
4:08because I've never read it. I don't know
4:10what's in it. But uh I mean this episode
4:13is just so fantastic that uh it taxes
4:17your imagination to believe that a thing
4:20like this could happen. Know him. I
4:22never saw him. I never even heard of him
4:24until uh uh a matter of days ago when
4:29this thing first came to my attention.
4:31And
4:33uh incidentally, where does he live? He
4:37lives in Spain at this time. Mr. Hughes
4:40in Spain. Yes, sir. He doesn't claim I
4:44came to Spain to see him, does he? No.
4:47He claims you traveled around the
4:48Western Hemisphere with him over a
4:50period of several months late last year.
4:53Have you left the hotel there in the
4:55Bahamas in the last several months?
4:58Well, left the hotel.
5:01Yes, sir.
5:03Uh, well, you're getting in a pretty
5:07touchy area there. I, let's say, I
5:09haven't left the Bahamas, and I
5:12certainly haven't seen Mr. Irving.
5:15Do you feel this situation with the
5:18Irvings is merely the gullibility of the
5:21publishing firm? Or is there something
5:23more serious here? Or is it merely that
5:26they were all out for a profit?
5:30Well, I just have no way of judging
5:32that. I I am so completely and utterly
5:36shocked that anything like this could
5:38happen that believe me, I don't know how
5:41to characterize it or to uh
5:45uh analyze it or diagnose it. I just
5:50haven't any idea. It is so fantastic and
5:53so
5:55utterly beyond the bounds of anyone's
5:58imagination that uh I I simply haven't
6:02any idea what
6:04uh is well obviously uh the motive for
6:08Irving could be money but uh uh
6:11certainly McGroill and Time don't have
6:14to uh uh deal in uh fake manuscripts or
6:20uh uh that sort of thing in order to
6:23survive. They they surely have a a
6:27business that operates at a higher plane
6:29than
6:30that. And uh so I don't I just don't
6:33have any idea what is behind this thing.
6:38Mr. Hughes, we understand that something
6:40over $800,000 was paid out in advance on
6:44the book and supposedly some of that
6:46came to you.
6:49That's what I've been told. And that's
6:51what we're trying to run down because uh
6:53that's the one thing that uh I don't
6:55understand here. In other words, there's
6:58got to be a bank record somewhere of
7:00this transaction. And uh Chester Davis
7:04will tell you that uh I have been very
7:07very critical of him for not being able
7:11to uncover this uh the path of these
7:16bonds because they even claim to have my
7:19endorsement or my signature on a check
7:23and uh yet they won't produce it. And uh
7:28I don't understand uh how any such money
7:31as
7:32this could be passed through any normal
7:36channel without leaving a trail
7:39uh a mile wide and bright pink or some
7:43such color. In other words, if uh if you
7:48knew the difficulties that people have
7:50in getting rid of stolen money or uh
7:55uh or money illegally obtained, uh uh
8:00they can't find a place to put it
8:02usually and uh or a place to keep it
8:05without putting in some bank or leaving
8:08some kind of a record if they uh try to
8:11handle it. uh uh and keep it in the form
8:15of currency, then they run into trouble
8:17with the IRS. And uh I just don't
8:21understand uh how any such sum of money
8:25as that which you
8:27describe should uh have changed hands
8:30here without there being a record of it
8:32somewhere. And what I don't understand
8:34is why Time Lamp and McGraill who are
8:38supposed to have a
8:41reputation for uh legitimacy and uh
8:46integrity uh to some degree. I don't
8:49understand why they won't cooperate with
8:51us in finding out uh what has really
8:54happened here because uh this money
8:58didn't come out of any of my bank
9:00accounts and it didn't enter any of my
9:02bank
9:03accounts. So uh uh and it wasn't given
9:07to any charity with my knowledge or
9:10direction. So what happened to the
9:12money? In other words, if they paid me
9:15this money as uh I understand they're
9:18claiming to have done, then where is it?
9:22Uh I couldn't hide that amount of money
9:24without uh running into all sorts of
9:27difficulty with the Treasury Department.
9:28And uh I just
9:32uh don't understand
9:34why the people involved in this affair
9:37won't be more cooperative with us in
9:41attempting to trace the path of these
9:45funds which are supposed uh to have
9:50passed uh I guess to me not from me.
9:53Isn't that what they claim? Mr. Hughes,
9:55there's something else I think a great
9:56many people would like to know about.
9:58There have been some very absurd
10:00descriptions of your physical
10:01appearance.
10:03Yeah. You mean the artist conception?
10:05Yes. The artist concept about the long
10:07fingernails and uh how some of us said
10:10that how could he possibly sign a letter
10:11with his fingernails as long as that and
10:14various other things that proof that I
10:16don't have fingernails. Exactly.
10:20You know, this is this is very amusing
10:23because the first time I read that uh
10:26article about the fingernails, I said,
10:29"Well, how in the hell could I write my
10:31name if I have fingernails?"
10:35Uh, no. Well, the thing that amused me
10:37was that you and I had the same reaction
10:38to it. that when I first uh read the
10:42account and saw the uh uh artist
10:46conception, the first uh statement I
10:49made to Chester or whichever one of my
10:53people it was who brought this material
10:56to me, the first statement I made was,
10:58"Well, how in the hell could I sign the
11:00documents that I've been signing and uh
11:04uh wouldn't I have gotten tangled up
11:06with these fingernails and tried to sign
11:08my name because I had just u completed
11:12signing quite a
11:13number of uh various
11:17um material uh correspondents and so
11:21forth and uh I'd written my name a
11:24number of times and uh it it's just
11:27amusing that you and I had the same
11:29reaction because I don't know why I
11:31would have put these damn things unless
11:33I could detach them while signing my
11:35name. Mr. Hughes, you have your
11:39fingernails manicured and your hair
11:42groomed just about as you have in the
11:44years past, don't you? Yes. I don't I
11:47don't ever have manicures. I do it
11:50myself. I never have had manicures. I
11:53don't know. Maybe it uh is an outgrowth
11:57of my childhood when he used to tease
11:59people about uh having that is males
12:02about having manicures. Anyway, I never
12:04had them ever, but uh I've always kept
12:08my fingernails a reasonable length and
12:10uh I cut them with clippers, not with uh
12:14scissors and nail file the way some
12:16people do. I use clippers because they
12:18don't leave a rough uh edge afterward.
12:23Anyway, I take care of them the same way
12:25I always have, the same I did when I
12:27went around the world and uh at times
12:29when you've seen me and uh
12:33uh at the time of the flight of the
12:35flying boat and every other occasion
12:37when I've come in contact with the
12:39press, I uh care for my fingernails in
12:42the same precise manner that I always
12:44have all my life. Please tell us the
12:46rest of the statistics about yourself at
12:50this time. How much you weigh? We
12:52understand some some people have said
12:53you weigh under 100 pounds, 94 in fact,
12:56and that you have a beard to your waist
12:59and long toenails and so on.
13:03Well, the statistics are that I am 6'3
13:07and 3/4 ines, which is what I've always
13:10been, just barely under
13:136'4. And uh
13:16at I would guess uh in 140 to 50 area. I
13:23am thin. I've always been thin. Uh and
13:27what was the other statistics? The
13:29toenail 6 to 8 in long. This is just
13:33inconceivable. If I had toenails 8 in
13:35long, I couldn't
13:37walk. Fingernails 8 in long. I couldn't
13:40write my name. That was the one thing
13:42that uh that was the first means of
13:44disproving it that came to my mind. Do
13:48you have a beard? Uh, and how would you
13:50describe that? I've worn a beard for
13:54uh, well, good god. Uh, I've been
13:58wearing a beard for
14:01um, long before it became the bad when I
14:04was living at Murefield Road. You know
14:06how long ago that was? And hair to the
14:09middle of your back.
14:11I thought it uh
14:16why in the world would anyone describe
14:18you this way?
14:20There's a malicious uh in a malicious
14:22effort to discredit me and uh to uphold
14:27these absurd statements are being made.
14:32This is all obviously a part of a
14:34campaign to to lend credence to this uh
14:39fairy tale that these people are trying
14:42somehow to uh support. It's been printed
14:47that the testimony describing you this
14:50way came from Peter Mayhew, whose
14:52father, your former Nevada chief, is so
14:56bitterly contesting his discharge.
14:58literally is a mild way of putting it.
15:04Uh everything short of murder uh as a
15:08result of being discharged. I don't
15:11suppose any disgruntled employee who was
15:14discharged has ever even come close to
15:17Mr. Mayu's contact as far as the son is
15:20concerned. He's never even seen me to my
15:22knowledge.
15:24I don't know how in the hell he could uh
15:26make any statements about my appearance
15:28because uh uh during all the time that I
15:32was in Las Vegas, I never saw him,
15:35Mr. Hughes, it's been a mystery to many,
15:37many
15:38people the way you live your life. Why
15:41do you live as you do? Why do you live
15:44the life of a recluse?
15:47Well, I don't really know it. I just
15:50sort of went into it, but I'll tell you
15:53one thing. I'm I'm
15:55uh rapidly planning to come out of it.
15:58In other words, uh I'm not going to
15:59continue being quite as reclusive, as
16:02you call it, as I've been because uh it
16:06apparently has attracted so much
16:07attention that uh I've just got to live
16:12a somewhat modified uh life in order not
16:15to be an
16:17oddity. A funny thing it really is that
16:20uh in this world uh
16:23uh
16:25you you cannot
16:28uh just be neutral or you cannot uh just
16:33go about your business and uh uh leave
16:37your life in what seems to you to be a
16:40normal way. This just doesn't seem
16:42possible. you you apparently have to do
16:47certain things and follow a certain path
16:50of conduct in order to satisfy people
16:54that there's not something
16:57wrong. And uh so I'm getting ready to
17:01embark on a program of uh convincing the
17:05public that
17:06uh these uh extreme uh statements are
17:11absurd.
17:13Mr. Hughes, there are a number of
17:15theories about why you have taken
17:18yourself out of the public
17:21view. And one of these is that you fear
17:24kidnapping. Another is that you are
17:26maneuvering constantly to avoid process
17:29servers and thus avoid lawsuits. And the
17:32third is that possibly you have some
17:34physical disability. Well, that of
17:37course is not true. Have no physical
17:39disability that would be apparent to
17:40anyone. What's uh the other two
17:43kidnapping and process maneuvering to
17:46avoid suits? Well, I've often thought of
17:50uh the potentiality of kidnapping uh in
17:54view of some of the publicity about my
17:58alleged
17:59wealth. And I say alleged because
18:03uh if uh some of the people who uh are
18:08uh making claims against me uh don't
18:13uh come to uh some state of sanity. Uh
18:18heaven knows what I'll have left. So
18:20that that's why I say alleged. Uh
18:23anyway, wait a minute. Let's get back on
18:25the track here. What was the last
18:27question? The third one was the business
18:29of maneuvering to avoid process servers
18:32and lots of legislation.
18:35Uh I won't deny one thing that I don't
18:40want to spend the rest of my life uh
18:43sitting in some uh courtroom being
18:46harassed and interrogated by a
18:49disgruntled discharged employee. That I
18:52will frankly admit. And
18:55uh uh so uh if
19:00uh if uh the serving of a process would
19:05mean endless hours of exposure to uh
19:10harassment, interruption of what work I
19:13want to do before I die.
19:16Uh, I can certainly say I don't want it
19:19and I don't uh relish it and uh I would
19:23uh certainly not welcome it or encourage
19:25it or make it easy.
19:29So this has a real bearing on what
19:31you're going to do with the rest of your
19:32life, does it not?
19:34I think
19:35u I think this
19:38uh defends to a great measure on what
19:41I'm able to do about the very things
19:45that we've been discussing. In other
19:47words, uh the lawsuit with TWWA which
19:51has
19:52uhounded me for 11 years now and
19:57uh now this may affair
20:00uh and now we're talking about another
20:03one the time
20:07McGroill situation.
20:11It it seems to have the appearance that
20:14I'm going to spend the rest of my life
20:16in the
20:16courtroom. I I don't
20:20know. I don't know why people are given
20:23such broad latitude to
20:26uh
20:29uh influence the lives of others or to
20:33uh interfere with them, whatever you
20:36want to call it. But
20:38uh that uh seems to be our way of life.
20:42And uh so until I can get some of these
20:46uh issues in which I am the uh
20:50defendant, so to speak, until I get some
20:52of these issues put to rest, I can't
20:54really make any definitive plans. Thank
20:57you, sir. Mr. Hughes, we've heard all
20:59sorts of stories about your requiring
21:02special medication and uh this and that.
21:06uh because of your health. What is the
21:08real story of your personal health at
21:10this time? Well, how the hell is
21:13anybody's health at 66 years of
21:17age? I certainly don't feel like uh
21:20running around uh a track at UCLA and
21:25trying to break a record. I can tell you
21:27that. But uh my health
21:31is tolerable. That's that's uh certain.
21:35and probably better than I deserved it.
21:37Mr. Hughes, is it possible that you are
21:40considering at this time returning to
21:42the to flying to to piloting your own
21:46aircraft yourself again? Uh this is I
21:49know is a bug that no aviator ever gets
21:51out of his blood. Uh to piloting
21:54aircraft, right? Yes. Positively. Uh
21:57there's nothing in your physical
21:58condition would prevent anything like
22:00that. No, as a matter of fact, it would
22:01be the best thing in the world for me
22:03and only contemplated it but planned it
22:05definitely and uh it will I think uh be
22:10uh the best conceivable uh therapy for
22:14me because
22:16uh well it's just uh something that uh I
22:21like doing rather than something I don't
22:23like doing. And uh uh it's good for me
22:27in every way. So,
22:30uh, I I definitely expect to recommence
22:34a program of flying. I'd like to ask you
22:36also in reference to your the, uh,
22:40assistance and also the contributions
22:42you've made to various medical
22:44organizations uh, in Nevada and in
22:47Boston and elsewhere. Do you feel that
22:49this is one of the areas in which you
22:51can use your wealth and uh uh some of
22:55your special technical knowledge for the
22:57general benefit of the country? Well, in
23:00that I am most interested and uh
23:03eventually uh that's where the bulk of
23:06my estate will
23:08go. In other words, uh there's nothing
23:11that interests me more than medical
23:14research and
23:16uh the uh
23:20uh quest
23:22for better living facilities and
23:27uh
23:29better health and better uh medical
23:33standards uh not only uh in the United
23:36States but throughout the world. This
23:38this uh to me is
23:42uh where we should be concentrating our
23:45greatest
23:46effort. In fact
23:48uh
23:51uh possibly
23:54uh I might say that uh I feel it could
23:57be more important than some of the space
23:59activity. Mr. Hughes, all the legends
24:02that have grown up around you
24:04uh some of them repeatable, some not
24:07repeatable. But one of the funniest is
24:08supposed to be about your prediliction
24:12for wearing tennis shoes. Can you tell
24:14us how that one got started?
24:18Uh I don't. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Oh yes.
24:22Sure I do. Sure I do. Sure I do.
24:26Uh they started when I had a pair of uh
24:31You remember when shoes were rationed
24:34uh during uh World War II? Yeah. When
24:38you had to have a ticket uh to to buy uh
24:42leather shoes, there were shoes made of
24:45non-stategic
24:47material, some kind of uh canvas or
24:50imitation
24:51leather. And uh I had a pair of these
24:55that uh I liked and
24:58wore. And uh these were termed by some
25:02newsmen tennis shoes. They weren't
25:04really tennis shoes at all. They were
25:07simply uh a shoe that was sold
25:11uh in normal shoe stores and which did
25:14not require
25:16uh a ration coupon uh to procure them.
25:20In other words, they were non-strategic
25:23material. And that is uh where that one
25:26came from because uh I haven't played
25:29tennis in quite a while. And uh I I'm
25:34certain they didn't come from uh any
25:36exposure on the tennis court or any
25:39appearance in what were truly tennis
25:42shoes. But the uh the uh tennis shoe
25:45story definitely derived from these gray
25:51green colored
25:54uh I think that's what you call them.
25:57Mostly gray. Gray green. Yeah.
25:59uh um nonstrategic
26:03uh semic. Well, no, they weren't campus.
26:07They were uh they were an imitation
26:09uh uh shoe leather and I'm certain they
26:13would not rank as campus in the normal
26:16sense. Mr. Hughes, while we're on sport,
26:19uh there are a lot of stories about you
26:22and golf. Uh back in the days when you
26:25were I guess you were a scratch handicap
26:28at Riviera Country Club right to there.
26:31I was never lower than two. Well, that's
26:34that's definitely excellent. But the
26:37story goes that uh at this time you went
26:41into Willie Hunter the pro at Riviera
26:43and said Willie do you think I could
26:45beat Bobby Jones in the national amateur
26:47and Willie said no and you put your
26:50clubs down then and never played after
26:52that. Oh that's absurd. That's absurd. I
26:55had a game with Bobby in Pebble
26:58Beach. Was very proud of the experience
27:01and uh it was one of my treasured uh
27:05memories. You remember how you did in
27:07that match with him?
27:09Uh well, I didn't at any time uh contest
27:15against him. In other words, uh at no
27:18time was I on a level or uh
27:23uh at no time did I play the kind of
27:26golf to
27:27uh challenge Bobby Jones. That I assure
27:30you. But I did have a game in which he
27:34was a participant. Whether it was a
27:37foresome or a threesome, I don't
27:38remember. But uh we did play Pebble
27:41Beach and he uh was a part of the match
27:45and it was one of my treasured memories.
27:48This is this is going way back though.
27:50Jesus, this is really a long time ago.
27:53Mr. Hughes, this seems to have gone
27:55extremely well today. And I think that a
27:58lot of people will have an idea of you
28:00as a person that uh has not been this
28:05clear before. And uh under the
28:08circumstances, I want to suggest to you
28:09that as soon as you feel possible that
28:12you have a face-to-face interview with
28:15the the press group uh once more and
28:18hope that you can do this shortly. Well,
28:20this has been proposed to me by my
28:22people and uh I definitely expect to do
28:25it. That's the intend to do it. And
28:28could you say um anything at all about
28:30your time schedule on your own plans to,
28:34as you say, come out in the open again
28:36to a degree? Well, no. I can't give you
28:40a precise time, but I will say that uh I
28:44certainly uh intend to do it as soon as
28:48I am able to and
28:51uh can do so without
28:54uh
28:56uh collateral disadvantages of some
28:59type. In other words, as soon as Davis
29:02and uh some of my associates uh tell me
29:06that uh I can do these things, I am
29:09ready and uh waiting when you do u come
29:15back into general circulation, Mr.
29:17Hughes, uh uh does it ever cross your
29:20mind that you'd like to uh make some
29:22movies again? I would like to. I I have
29:25always thought that uh in my
29:30years when I couldn't be quite as active
29:32as I was at the time I flew around the
29:35world. I've always sort of thought that
29:40movies and motion pictures would be
29:42something I could do even up uh to my
29:46last day, so to speak. In other words,
29:50uh it's not something that uh requires
29:54great uh
29:58uh physical
30:00resourcefulness or
30:03physical resources. It's not something
30:06that
30:07requires in other words great youth or
30:10great strength. Jesus Christ wrestled
30:12the mail pictures until he was way way
30:16uh beyond my age.
30:18And so uh I have always thought that in
30:24the later years of my life I would like
30:26very very much to make some motion
30:29pictures that would be truly worthwhile.
30:31Well, I mean, the ones I made before
30:34were entertaining, and I've seen some of
30:38them uh in the light of what's showing
30:41on television now, movies of the same
30:44vintage, in other words, and they they
30:47stand up pretty well. In these later
30:49years, uh, your Scarface and Hell's
30:52Angels
30:53have come to be considered classics.
30:56Really?
30:58Well, at least they still don't look too
31:01damn bad alongside of the other pictures
31:04of that same period. I mean, I'm not
31:07claiming they're uh competitive with our
31:12latest uh
31:14uh Santa Gulp
31:16and this division and
31:20uh uh all the various new processes and
31:23so forth. uh I I don't pretend that uh
31:26what I did is competitive with today's
31:30uh artistic methods and uh uh the the
31:35materials and the uh
31:38uh techniques that are available today
31:41are so far beyond anything I had that it
31:44would be absurd to say that you could
31:46look at uh one of my pictures and
31:48compare them with today's output and uh
31:52claim that they compare favor favorably,
31:54but they sure as hell compare favorably
31:57with the pictures of their same uh years
32:01or that were made in those years. And
32:04I've noticed that on television on the
32:06film showing on television, I've been
32:09pretty uh pleased with the way mine have
32:12stood up even though they didn't get
32:16Academy Awards. Well, I think uh one of
32:20one of them got some kind of an award,
32:22but uh uh in general, my movies were not
32:27considered artistic classics. And uh
32:31uh so from that standpoint, I have
32:34nothing to boast about. But if you look
32:38at them on television today compared to
32:42uh the ones that are playing and remain
32:45in the same period, they uh hold
32:48together pretty well.
32:51Mr. Hughes, so many people have been
32:52intrigued by the fact that you seem to
32:54do a lot of your business on the
32:56telephone. In fact, I from what we hear
32:5995% of it is by telephone and you talk
33:03to people. you appear direct them from
33:06one end of a telephone line and they're
33:08at the other end and uh it it seems a
33:11little unusual and would I wonder if
33:12you'd tell us why and how you do this.
33:16Yes. Uh yes, I've always done my
33:18business over the phone, but uh uh other
33:21than that fact uh I certainly do. And
33:24I'll say something else. The world is
33:27moving toward doing more of its business
33:29over the telephone rather than in
33:31person. I mean uh top business
33:33executives all over the world uh are
33:36learning that they can make uh 25 26 27
33:40telephone calls in a day and transact uh
33:45uh let's say x amount of business in
33:47each one. And if he tried to see all
33:49those people personally with the traffic
33:52and all the rest of the delays involved
33:55uh the figure instead of 26 and 7 would
33:57be uh maybe uh six or seven or in that
34:02region. In other words, uh uh people
34:04have found that by doing business on the
34:06telephone, uh they can do about four
34:08times as much in one day as they can do
34:10in person, particularly if they live in
34:12New York or some city that is
34:15a beehive of activity from a traffic
34:18standpoint. You have so much money
34:21invested in Las Vegas, Mr. Hughes and
34:25now you have left there. A great many
34:28people are wondering what you're going
34:30to do about these investments. Uh how do
34:33you see this uh in Nevada picture? Are
34:36you going to hold on to your hotels? Can
34:39you tell us something about this? I tell
34:41you one thing, I have no intention of
34:43selling anything that involves any
34:45employment. In other words, I have no
34:48intention of selling any of the active
34:51businesses that you've just mentioned,
34:53the hotels or uh the house club in
34:58uh Reno or any of my uh activities in
35:02Nevada uh which account for the huge
35:06employment I have in Nevada. I have no
35:08intention of selling any of those. Now,
35:11as to whether I sell any of the unused
35:15real estate,
35:16uh that's something that will depend
35:18upon how I feel Nevada will treat me uh
35:22when I return there and uh what happens
35:25with this man made you. Mr.
35:28Hughes, your troubles with Congress and
35:31with the Senate back in
35:331947 involved your Spruce Goose, the big
35:37flying boat, and you completed it and
35:41flew it very briefly, and you've
35:44retained it all these years, and it's
35:46still there in the hangar. What are you
35:48going to do when the when the lease runs
35:50out? What will you do with the boat? Oh,
35:53brother, I can't answer that one today.
35:57I just don't don't have an answer for
35:59that today. I'll tell you one thing,
36:03there's a lot that still can be learned
36:05from that airplane.
36:07And uh I feel before anything is done
36:11with it that might be in the nature of
36:14uh uh destructive or damaging
36:18uh we should uh uh utilize it to the
36:22fullest and uh obtain all of the data
36:25that still can be obtained from it which
36:28is uh a great deal more than most people
36:34realize. Mr. Hughes, one final question.
36:37We all know that you are one of the
36:39wealthiest men in the world. Your wealth
36:42is estimated at $2.5 billion
36:44dollars. And yet you seem to be having
36:47your troubles. We'd like to
36:50ask, are you a happy man today?
36:55I'm uh I'm not not very happy, I'll tell
36:58you that. And uh one of the primary
37:01reasons is because of some of the things
37:04we've been discussing here. uh tonight.
37:07That is to say, in other words, the the
37:10impediment impediments upon my freedom
37:12and uh uh activities imposed by all of
37:16this litigation and uh these overhanging
37:20uh threats of uh various types uh this
37:25uh threatened autobiography and so
37:27forth. All these matters are uh very
37:31draining in their effect upon me. And
37:35uh so
37:38uh if you uh well your question was am I
37:42happy and content? The answer is no.
37:50And now
37:51listener listeners we have come to the
37:55end of the interview with Mr.
37:58Hughes. You have heard his voice on two
38:01momentuous
38:02occasions. The first one in the 1947
38:05Brewster hearings when his affairs were
38:09in
38:10crisis and now once more when they are
38:13at least in the public eye
38:18intensive inspection by the public at
38:20large. He talked from Paradise Island,
38:23Nassau in the
38:25Bahamas.
38:27And you have an opportunity, a unique
38:31opportunity here to compare the the the
38:35voice of Mr. Hughes who was present in
38:37person at the
38:38first instance and this time when he
38:42spoke by telephonic interview. You make
38:45the comparison and you decide for
38:46yourself that whether or not it was
38:49actually Howard Hughes and both
38:51occasions.

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