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0:00What's good, baby?
0:03[laughter]
0:04This is going to be a crazy
0:06conversation. This is This is where I
0:08can This is where I can have fun. This
0:10is where I can have fun. I can [ __ ]
0:12[laughter] snap back into myself. This
0:14is so funny. And I love Miskip's chat.
0:16I'm just going to look at Miz Miz's
0:17chat. Miz, your chat's great. And I had
0:19so much fun yesterday,
0:20>> dude. I They They I'm going to be real
0:22with you. My chat is probably the
0:24easiest chat to ever deal with. They're
0:25they're fun and they're they're they're
0:27good people. They're good people. They
0:28they they know that, you know, not
0:31everyone's perfect, unlike other chats
0:33who have to
0:34>> [ __ ] perfect. [ __ ] that. [laughter]
0:35>> No. Yeah, I was I was talking about just
0:37me. Uh,
0:39>> right. Right. Right.
0:39>> You're You are perfect. You are perfect.
0:41But yeah, they just talking about me.
0:42>> So, wow. This is a real hodgepodge mish
0:45mash of people. I can't believe this
0:47screen is real right now to be honest
0:48with you. Anom Mizkiff Banks. Um I kind
0:52of already introduced what you're doing
0:54um with your stream is with the 300k
0:5730-day thing. You want to just
0:59>> you want to just introduce yourself to
1:01Anom and also his viewers kind of talk a
1:04little bit about yourself, your history
1:05and content and media, why um I felt it
1:08would be interesting to have you on the
1:09show and then maybe get into the 300K
1:1230-day thing.
1:13>> Yeah. So uh I'm my name is Mizk. I uh
1:16literally just started streaming uh just
1:18a few months ago on kick and um you know
1:21I I' I've grown a big group of viewers
1:23that follow me uh for a bunch of stuff.
1:26Uh I have some people follow me
1:27sometimes when I go to the grocery store
1:29and uh right now I'm doing stock trading
1:31with my chat. So I personally believe
1:34that the finance area is littered with
1:37people that are just trying to
1:38constantly make money off of uh their
1:40viewers. They are constantly trying to
1:42sell them courses that they and usually
1:45why people sell courses is because
1:46they're not good at what they do. They
1:48have to sell courses because uh they are
1:51trying to make money from the the
1:53course, right? If they were so good
1:56if they were so good, they wouldn't need
1:57to do that. Uh so my plan and objective
2:00with this is to uh Oh, wh
2:04>> No. Yeah, my bad. I just heard an echo
2:06now.
2:07>> Yeah. What? What? Yeah, Anthony, mute
2:10your thing. Mute your thing. Yeah, he
2:12pulled up He pulled up your stream.
2:13Sorry. Go ahead.
2:14>> No, you're good. Uh you can keep that
2:16open. It helps me. So, my goal for my uh
2:19for my chat and my community is to teach
2:22them investing, to teach them just how
2:24compound interest works, how small
2:26investments over time, you know, don't
2:28buy that Dutch Bros coffee, don't buy
2:30that, you know, Only Fans for the day.
2:32Don't buy things that are just small
2:34little things that you add up. put it
2:36into the market, invest it over time and
2:39you know in 20 30 years from now you
2:40will have money and you and you will be
2:43able to to relax a lot more uh and when
2:45you actually need the money for your
2:47kids for your kids college funds or
2:48whatever it may be uh in that time you
2:50can pay for it. Uh compound interest is
2:53something that I think a lot of people
2:54don't realize and see and it's extremely
2:57valuable for kids and young adults to
3:00know and understand and finance in
3:01general. So I I don't need money. I mean
3:04I really don't like I make money. I've
3:05made money through kick and other
3:06things, but I don't need more money. I
3:08don't
3:08>> Shut the [ __ ] up.
3:11>> No, I swear I've made money through kick
3:12and other things, but I don't need more
3:13money.
3:14>> How much How much money have you made
3:16>> throughout the course of your career?
3:18>> Uh, I'm sitting at like like 20 close to
3:2220 20 mil.
3:24>> That's my but but here's the thing. Most
3:27of that I would say 70% is made through
3:30the stock market. It's not made through
3:31my streams. I've lost money in a lot of
3:33my streams because I have to pay for
3:34legal cases. But in
3:36>> What's been your what's been your best
3:37investment to date? Not on your stream,
3:39not the 300K thing, but just in in
3:41general.
3:43>> Uh Lexa Pro. No, I'm kidding. Uh my be
3:46my best investment. [laughter]
3:50>> That's crazy. [laughter]
3:53>> Yo, does his mic suck for us?
3:56>> Can you can you can you change the
3:58output or whatever? Yeah, your mic.
4:00>> That's so [ __ ] funny. Yeah. Make the
4:02mic better.
4:03>> Oh, yeah. Sorry.
4:04>> Damn.
4:04>> You're good.
4:05>> Better.
4:06>> Yeah. This is much better.
4:07>> No, that's that's that's fire. That's
4:09lit. That's that's a great um
4:12>> How long have you been doing the the
4:13investment thing with your chat for?
4:16>> Uh I've been doing the thing with my
4:18chat now for
4:20uh how long have I been doing this? I've
4:22been doing this for eight years, but I
4:24started doing this finance thing three
4:26days ago.
4:26>> Yeah, the finance is what I meant.
4:28That's
4:28>> How's it going? What's the looking like?
4:30Uh, well, I mean, the whole Iran thing
4:32that happened today kind of hurt us a
4:33little bit. Uh, we're we're we're still
4:35positive. Uh, depending on the second,
4:38but it's it's it's look, we're we're
4:40buying a lot today, so there's a lot. We
4:42spent over $100,000 today. So,
4:44>> Oh, [ __ ]
4:44>> To answer your to answer your other
4:46question though, you said, "What was
4:47your best investment you ever had?" Uh,
4:49Nvidia. I invested in Nvidia like six
4:51years ago. I've been investing in video
4:53for a long time. Uh, recently about
4:56recently about a year ago, I invested
4:58into AMD. uh and they just had their
5:00earnings which were fantastic. But
5:02there's one thing that I've invested in
5:04for almost a decade now that has made me
5:08all almost 60% of that you know 10 plus
5:11million that I've made in the stock
5:13market and that's the VU. So what I do
5:17is a very simple thing that anyone can
5:19do. I'm not a financial adviser and you
5:21guys know it. It's super easy. The VU is
5:23the uh standard and poor 500 with as an
5:27ETF. you buy it and when the stock
5:30market whenever it drops 1% I always put
5:33money in every time. If it drops 1%
5:36while everyone else is panicking I buy
5:37more. If it drops another percent that
5:39the next day I buy more. And I did that
5:41since last year and I do it every time.
5:43And my portfolio for the VU is up over
5:45100% over the last year. And it's just
5:48simple investment tricks like that.
5:50Simple things that will make people
5:54rich. It not it can make people have
5:56money for their future. It can make
5:58viewers who are just sitting around
6:00watching most streamers who are just
6:02like picking their nose doing tier lists
6:04and crap that doesn't really matter.
6:06They can actually learn something and
6:08and and maybe use it and apply it to
6:09their life.
6:10>> Well, this is kind of the entire point
6:11of this show that I'm trying to trying
6:13to start and this I'm trying to curate.
6:15I I want a small niche community of
6:18people who are interested in just like
6:21being better and and in and learning
6:23things and having intelligent
6:24conversations or productive
6:26conversations. productive is really the
6:27word. Like it's a show about just being
6:29as productive as you possibly can with
6:31each day and with each move and
6:33everything that you do. Um and yeah, we
6:36are trapped in this weird streamer media
6:39content bubble like brain rot [ __ ]
6:42crazy. I don't know. It's [ __ ]
6:44insane. We relate heavily on it. We talk
6:46privately a lot about it. Um yeah.
6:51>> Yeah. The thing is there is such a brain
6:53rot community of of crap. But what's
6:56interesting is it's almost like the
6:57stock market over the last few years has
6:58been brain rotted. You know, companies
7:01move so much more nowadays from just
7:02tweets, random emotions, uh dumb [ __ ]
7:06>> media attention. That's why it's so
7:08important
7:08>> and and those things have moved the
7:10market in such fun ways. Like Trump is
7:12literally a meme and he's [ __ ] done
7:14insane things to the market on just dumb
7:16[ __ ] he said. And that's why there's a
7:18thing called taco, which I'm sure you
7:20guys know is like the, you know, Trump
7:22always chickens out, right? So you just
7:23buy whatever when he [ __ ] out, you
7:26you buy. And that's what the thing is.
7:29Uh that's what I'm saying is like the
7:31market is pretty fun to watch if you pay
7:33attention. It's not this boring thing.
7:36Uh if you get involved and the chat can,
7:38you know, it gets you more involved in
7:40the world. You can talk to people
7:41better. It it can also make you
7:43motivated if you're investing more,
7:45right? It's like, "Hey, look, if I just
7:46put this money away, I have a goal of of
7:48like $10,000 saved. That's awesome." And
7:51I did this before. I did I I I own a
7:53gym. I literally bought a gym with one
7:54of my friends um to see if I can do it
7:57and it was a brick and mortar and can a
8:00streamer make a business was the idea
8:02and I bought a gym which fails 90% of
8:04the time. We actually made it successful
8:06and it it's still running and it's it's
8:08it's profitable. And when I did that I
8:11was learning business, my chat was
8:12learning business, but also I was
8:14generating money through streaming and
8:16they were learning how to work out. They
8:18were learning how business works. They
8:20were learning how to build a business.
8:21So, it's wins all around, you know,
8:23instead of just like the daily stream
8:25crap where it's like, "Yeah, dude. Let's
8:27just watch a streamer hit on a girl and
8:29then, you know,
8:31>> it have an opinion of it,
8:33>> right? It's like they've seen me do that
8:35for seven years, right?
8:37>> And I'm still you're you're still
8:39[ __ ] doing it.
8:40>> You [ __ ] me, man. You [ __ ] me." The
8:42biggest clip from yesterday's stream, me
8:43and you, was like you farming the rage
8:46thing, and I didn't even know it was
8:47happening.
8:48>> [laughter]
8:49>> You're such a [ __ ] You're such a
8:50[ __ ] for that. You really [ __ ]
8:52me on that.
8:52>> Wait, what?
8:54>> Bro, what rage thing do? I have to pull
8:56it up. [laughter] I'll pull it up. I'll
8:57pull it up.
8:58>> What? Are you pulling up her high school
8:59yearbook?
9:00>> Dude, you're insane. Like, [laughter]
9:02you're actually You're actually insane.
9:04We're on Twitch. Don't get me [ __ ]
9:05banned.
9:06>> Uh, you're not going to get banned,
9:08dude.
9:09>> Let's watch this. Let's watch.
9:10>> Dan Clancy loves me. You're You're good
9:11here.
9:12>> 3 million views, 10,000 likes, and
9:14there's a bunch of [ __ ] like quote
9:16tweets that have just I'm Ricky.
9:18Pleasure.
9:19>> Ricky,
9:19>> how old are you?
9:23>> I'm not underage.
9:24>> She's 19.
9:26>> Uh,
9:26>> brutal, man. Get the [ __ ] off the
9:28stream.
9:28>> No, I think it's fine to hang out with
9:2919-year-olds when you're 31.
9:32>> Do you?
9:33>> Yeah.
9:33>> I bet you do. [laughter]
9:37>> I think it's fine.
9:38>> You guys,
9:38>> come here. Sit on my lap.
9:40>> Please. Please. I'm begging you. I'm
9:42begging you guys. Don't. I can't survive
9:44something like this. I can't.
9:45>> Hey, he's he's talking to you. I'm
9:46already on Facebook asking you to
9:48>> look at the [ __ ] look at the Faze
9:50Banks uncomfortable misk shots fired
9:53your rage streaming Jana 19 years old
9:55half of this tweet I don't even [ __ ]
9:56understand first of all I don't care to
9:58understand I don't want to understand
10:00but it's like you're such a [ __ ]
10:02man
10:02>> dude you got to realize though you
10:04looked good in the clip I looked bad
10:06right cuz I'm the one forming it you're
10:07the one that stayed out of it so
10:08>> but somebody gets quote tweeted and it's
10:10like you're going to act like you
10:11weren't [ __ ] on Charlie D'Amelio when
10:13she was this and that and then it
10:14[ __ ] spirals out of control and I'm
10:15just and [ __ ] the juices squeezed and
10:18sucked out of me. It's like I can't
10:20>> She did suck the juices and out of you.
10:22>> You're an idiot. [laughter] And this is
10:24And this is why, by the way, you're very
10:26good at what you do. And it's
10:27interesting because you're a [ __ ]
10:28streamer. You've been streaming for how
10:30long? Is that seven, eight years?
10:32>> Yeah, like eight years.
10:34>> And you started out as Ice Besidon's
10:35mod.
10:37>> I No. What?
10:39>> How did you get into streaming? How did
10:41you start? Like what was the He was Ice.
10:43I was Ice Besidon's cameraman.
10:45So what's okay? Who's Ice? I don't know
10:48who that is.
10:48>> Huge difference. There's a huge
10:50difference and and you don't This is why
10:52I understand streaming and you don't.
10:53This is a huge difference.
10:55>> Ice.
10:56>> Uh I daddy. Um he's my uh
11:00>> so basically he's a streamer uh that he
11:03he kind of was the creator of IRL. I
11:05would say if you want to really describe
11:07him in a serious way, he's the creator
11:08of IRL. like he he he didn't create it,
11:11but he he pioneered IRL to the point
11:13where it is where it is today. Like he's
11:15in my opinion, I will say this very
11:17blunt, I've always said this, he had the
11:19best streams of all time for 2018. If
11:22you were there, you know, they were it
11:24wasn't as like streams are something you
11:26can walk away from and you can get the
11:28the the news. His streams were so good
11:32for just that one year or two years of
11:34content. You couldn't
11:39like it was like it was better than
11:41television. It was better than anything
11:43on Netflix. It was it was the best
11:44content you can ever see. It it will
11:46never be beat. I will say that every
11:47day. Ice 2018 19 era will never be
11:50beaten content. Speed don't care who you
11:51are. His
11:53>> a popular question that people ask
11:54streamers is like who's the [ __ ]
11:56Mount Rushmore of streaming? And I've
11:57always been confused as to why I never
11:59hear people say ice. I never hear
12:02>> he's like Voldemort to a lot of people,
12:03right? Or or people forgot about him. Um
12:06>> you got to get you got to give credit
12:08where it's due, though.
12:08>> And so that's that's you were his his
12:10cameraman following him and then you
12:12learned how to stream, I guess, from him
12:13because he was the best at streaming. I
12:14know you said you made a lot from
12:16streaming, but you've invested that. So
12:18prior to me investing, I was a software
12:20engineer, but it would have been a lot
12:21easier if I had a larger lot larger
12:24capital, I guess, to start with. How did
12:25you make your money streaming? Cuz I
12:27don't know much about stream culture. Is
12:29it from like the subs? Is it from like
12:30the sponsors? Is it from like how does
12:32that work?
12:33>> So I started uh so from Ice Besidon uh
12:37holding his camera. I was already
12:38popular. I was making YouTube videos on
12:41streamers
12:42>> and they were like documentaries but
12:44they were they were mockumentaries. They
12:45were jokes.
12:46>> Okay.
12:47>> And uh they blew up and then I flew out
12:48to do a video on him. Then he needed a
12:51cameraman so I did it and that's how
12:52that started. As for um when it comes to
12:55that's how I learned, I'm gonna be real
12:57with you. I studied streaming for five
12:59years. I didn't watch streams really to
13:01enjoy them. I would watch streams to
13:03learn what they're doing and how I can
13:04do it better because I knew one day I
13:06wanted to be a streamer. So, I was
13:08learning by sitting there and being
13:10like, why does he do this? How does this
13:12work? He farms this. And I learned how
13:14to be a streamer and how to grow before
13:17I even knew Ice. But now as for the uh
13:20idea of the money where that came from
13:22uh I didn't have any money when I
13:24started. I had like uh when I actually
13:26flew to ICE I went negative in my bank
13:28account. I had money in my stocks. Uh
13:31>> that's so awesome.
13:32>> Yeah. Because I I this is a crazy story
13:34but
13:34>> I think it's a really important part of
13:36the come up for anybody anybody's come
13:38up arc story like it's really important
13:40to get really close to broke.
13:43>> Yeah. [laughter] I was I was sure
13:44>> I was I was broke. YouTube was not
13:46paying me and I was basically broke. I
13:48could take out from my stocks, but I
13:49didn't want to. So, I'll give you the
13:51whole story in like one minute. Uh, in
13:532012 or 11 or whenever Wolf of Wall
13:56Street came out, I started getting
13:58involved in investing like two years
13:59before that, I had uh I was investing
14:01under my dad's account. And when Wolf of
14:03Wall Street came out, I knew in that
14:05penny stocks would would surge. So, I
14:07started investing in weed stocks. Like,
14:09these are random companies for weed
14:11because weed was getting legalized back
14:13then.
14:13>> And uh so, I was like, I'm riding the
14:16hype. There was a guy on Twitter, his
14:18name was Wolf of Weed Street that I
14:20followed and everything he said would
14:23work. He would literally say, "This
14:24stock is going to go to 60 cents." It
14:26would. This stock's going to go to 20
14:27cents. He literally was never wrong
14:29because he was just getting pumping the
14:31[ __ ] out of these stocks by buying it
14:32early. And it was illegal as [ __ ]
14:34>> Sounds like crypto.
14:36>> Yeah, it was it was literally crypto
14:37before crypto penny stocks [ __ ] And I
14:40uh I followed him on everything he did.
14:43And I got into his newsroom early, so I
14:46would get the [ __ ] early while everyone
14:48else was having to wait what he was
14:49going to say. And I had about
14:51>> Well, you did. You bought a course.
14:54>> You joined You joined a paid group.
14:56>> No, no, I I got in for free cuz I was
14:58there early.
14:59>> He started charging for $80. I was there
15:00early,
15:01>> but you were still You were in a paid
15:02group.
15:03>> Yeah. Yeah, I was in a paid group. Yeah,
15:04it was. So, but
15:06>> [clears throat]
15:06>> uh this was like a fourmon thing. I went
15:08from $2,500 to like $140,000.
15:11>> So, the paid group worked.
15:12>> Yeah, it worked. And then one day he was
15:16like, uh, he said to short Tesla or
15:20something like he started getting out of
15:21the weed stocks. He started getting into
15:23real [ __ ] So, I put like 30 grand into
15:25it before I got onto a flight. And by
15:28the time I got off the flight, I had it
15:29was at $0. And then basically everyone
15:31was like, "All right, dude. This guy's
15:32done." And he deleted his [ __ ] Everyone
15:35left the groups and all the dude I I
15:37remember there was this one guy who was
15:39there. He
15:39>> exit scam. It's crazy.
15:41>> He's like I just put in $80,000 of all
15:44my my my uh retirement money into this
15:46and I just lost.
15:47>> So brutal. That's so brutal.
15:49>> And I'm like
15:50>> no. So yeah, all said and done the paid
15:53group was a
15:54>> scam. Scam.
15:56>> Well well for me it was [laughter]
15:58>> Yeah, I guess you
16:00>> I guess so. What happened after? So then
16:04I had all this money and I was investing
16:06into stuff. I've been investing into the
16:08VU for 10 years now from that.
16:10>> Um so I was investing I was my friends
16:12were giving me money in college to
16:14invest with. I my friend Dave gave me
16:16some money so I invested for him. Uh so
16:18I started investing into things in
16:19general. I was going to go work for
16:21Vanguard actually. I was in their red
16:23flag program. I don't remember what it
16:24was really called but it was like it was
16:26like for people that were like really I
16:28had a 3.85 GPA and I was like I took
16:30their test and I got like almost 100.
16:32So, I was gonna go to like their best
16:34program to become a financial adviser.
16:36But when that happened, I was in a pool
16:41uh with my friends and I was trying to
16:43entertain them. So, I drank pool water
16:45and I swallowed it. And then a day
16:47later, I got really [ __ ] sick.
16:50>> Yeah, I got really sick and then I went
16:52to the hospital. I almost died cuz I got
16:53a heart virus. So, I almost died and
16:57then uh from this heart virus I have a
16:594.0 GT GPA. I [ __ ] scored 100 on this
17:03crazy test. I went home and I drank pool
17:05water.
17:05>> Mhm.
17:06>> Doesn't Something's not adding up,
17:08brother.
17:08>> I swear to God, this story is true. You
17:10can ask my chat. They I have every
17:12reliable source in the world that this
17:13whole story is true. Everything I'm
17:14saying is factual. It's they've asked my
17:16parents. I literally I have a virus
17:18called viral marocarditis. Uh where
17:21basically uh I almost died and I would
17:24have died.
17:25>> You still have it?
17:25>> You have it forever. I can randomly die.
17:27[laughter]
17:27>> My god.
17:28>> What the virus just don't go away. Yeah,
17:30I could randomly die. So, I went to this
17:33doctor after all this and the doctor uh
17:36traumatized me. It was the first time I
17:38ever felt trauma in my life. He he I go
17:42to the heart doctor and he's doing his
17:44test and he's like, "You have virarditis
17:45at such a young age." I'm like, "Yeah,
17:47it sucks." He's like, "Man, my friend
17:48just died from that." And I was like I
17:51started crying. I left. My dad screamed
17:53at the guy was about to fight him. He's
17:55like, "Are you [ __ ] kidding me?
17:56telling a kid that your friend almost
17:58just died from that and and you think
17:59that's okay. So, I was like,
18:01>> "Doctors are so cold, so brutal,
18:03especially the longer they've been
18:04they've been in there." I have a I have
18:05a similar story. I I I was feeling
18:08lethargic and like just tired in my
18:10day-to-day when I lived at the original
18:11phase house in New York. I went to the
18:13doctor, told them, "Yo, I don't have
18:15insurance and like I don't have a ton of
18:16money right now, but I feel X, Y, and Z
18:19symptoms." And this guy [ __ ] pilled
18:20me in the next 20 minutes into thinking
18:22that I could possibly have a brain
18:24tumor. He's like, "I want to test for
18:25this, for that, blood work, whatever."
18:28>> Ran it up on me. All the tests and [ __ ]
18:31cost like eight, nine bands that I did
18:32not have, but this guy's telling me,
18:34"This sounds like you might have a
18:36[ __ ] tumor in your brain." And I'm
18:37like, "What?" I go home for a week and
18:40[ __ ] panic. And yeah, it's that's
18:42horrible. So So I was I was about to go
18:45to this flag program at Vanguard and I
18:48but I just had this heart virus and it
18:50was in like two months I was going to
18:51start and I'm just like, "You know what?
18:54I'm gonna take a [ __ ] risk and I'm
18:57gonna see because I've always loved
18:58entertaining. It's been what I've always
18:59been good at.
19:00>> But I took a lot of Adderall to be good
19:02at finance. Like I took a [ __ ] ton of
19:04Aderall. Um I don't know if you guys are
19:07sponsored by Aderall. It's a great
19:08company. So I
19:09>> over here sober three years.
19:11>> Uh so I I was heavy on Aderall. Uh and I
19:16that was also part of why I had a bad
19:17heart because I took so much Adderall
19:19that it [ __ ] your heart. And I'm like,
19:21you know what? I'm gonna take a [ __ ]
19:23risk. I'm young. Why don't I try this
19:27whole entertainment thing and if it
19:29doesn't work, I'll go to the flag
19:30program next year. So, I called my my my
19:32guy who was my manager for the Vanguard.
19:34I said, "Hey, look, I want to do this,
19:36but in a year I'm going to try this
19:38shit." He's like, "All right, go for
19:39it." Um, so I I I was like, "All right,
19:41I'm going to try streaming YouTube,
19:43whatever it is." I thought about it and
19:45I'm like, "Why don't I I Being a
19:47streamer is impossible." Even back then
19:48in 2018, you're never going to make it
19:50starting at one viewers. It wasn't going
19:51to happen. But what if I get a name by
19:55making YouTube videos of the streamers?
19:59So, I made a name by uh making videos
20:01about Ice Boseidon and then they would
20:03react to it and then their communities
20:04would sub. And I actually grew a YouTube
20:07pretty fast. I got up to like a million
20:08views a video and then that's how I
20:11started streaming. So, it's a whole
20:14crazy story. And then I started growing.
20:15I grew. I grew. And then false
20:17allegations ruined me. I grew. I grew. I
20:20grew. false allegations ruined me. Uh,
20:22and now I'm on a podcast with Banks. So,
20:24that it's really just But but the thing
20:26is, you know, I'm I'm a very tough guy.
20:29I'm I'm very strong mentally and I know
20:31that
20:32>> Yeah. You're you're a very resilient
20:34[ __ ] and that's another thing I
20:35really respect about you and appreciate
20:37about you.
20:38>> I appreciate it. It's good. I'm the same
20:40way.
20:42>> I I I'll never give up. And I It's
20:43honestly a lot of it is my chat. they
20:45they've been there and they get it and
20:46they know that I'm I I didn't do what
20:48was has been said. But regardless of
20:50that crap, um I want to do stuff that uh
20:54basically I had this whole career and
20:55how I made a lot of my money was through
20:57investing and and you asked it before
20:59about how you make money in streaming.
21:00>> Yeah.
21:01>> So it's changed a lot over the years. So
21:05the first like 10 years of streaming,
21:07which was like 2010 to 2020, it was all
21:10through donations. So, there was this
21:12guy named Reckful that basically started
21:14this where you would get donations to
21:17your PayPal and then an alert would pop
21:19up on your screen on the stream. So, it
21:21say, "Hey, look, Brian donated $10." So,
21:24Brian would donate because he wants to
21:26get his name on stream and he would also
21:28donate to get recognition and be like,
21:30"Hey, look, uh, this is, you know, I I
21:33like I like your, uh, content." So, that
21:36was how it was done for a while. Then
21:38subs came into play. So now people get
21:40subs, but even that's not as big
21:42anymore. The big thing that people make
21:44money on on streaming is sponsors. So,
21:47uh, they'll get like a game sponsor. You
21:49can have a streamer that gets 20,000
21:51viewers and if they play a game, they'll
21:52get $20,000 an hour.
21:54>> Oh [ __ ]
21:56>> Yeah. So, it's pretty crazy. Um, that's
21:58how a lot of streamers make their money.
22:00Uh, a lot of girl streamers, I'm not
22:01trying to be sexist, uh, they make their
22:03money through their Only Fans and things
22:06like that where they'll stream, they'll
22:08say, "Check out my socials, you'll go
22:10click it, you'll go to their Only
22:11[clears throat] Fans. Uh, you'll pay
22:13like $500 to get down the rabbit hole.
22:16You ask constantly if they're going to
22:18finally send you the nudes that you
22:19asked for, and then it's just them in a
22:21bra." So,
22:22>> got you.
22:22>> That happens a lot. And then, um, that's
22:25that's really how a lot of content
22:26creation creators make money is through
22:28that. But also, there's advertisements
22:29on Twitch. So, they run ads every hour.
22:33So, I was running eight minutes of ads
22:35an hour and I was averaging like 15,000
22:37viewers. So, I was getting about like
22:39900 bucks an hour, 800 bucks an hour.
22:41>> Yeah.
22:41>> Just from those ads.
22:43>> Uh, so there's a lot of money to be
22:44made. It's very lucrative streaming
22:46because you're keeping someone's
22:47attention for so long, which is so hard
22:50to do nowadays.
22:51>> Yeah. Um, but the real blow up and the
22:54real thing that was crazy money was co.
22:57I mean, dude, I was getting like $50,000
23:00sponsors for an hour. It was [laughter]
23:02>> That's crazy. In fact, there was a lot
23:04of wild [ __ ] going on during during CO
23:06when that [ __ ] was popped off.
23:07>> Well, the [clears throat] thing is there
23:08was no they had nowhere else to spend
23:09money and they have to spend money for
23:11the market online.
23:12>> Throwing it at streamers. I mean,
23:14>> and then that's when gambling companies
23:15blew up, right? So, the but that's a
23:17whole different ball game. So the the
23:19content I guess in a lot of the streams
23:20is it I know you talked about gaming,
23:22you've talked about like lifestyle
23:23stuff. Are those the two main ones that
23:25people stream when they're talking about
23:26it? I know now you're doing the finance
23:27stuff which is cool, very commendable by
23:29the way, but I guess the the content of
23:32a lot of the streams is mostly like what
23:34speed does or like Yeah.
23:36>> Uh I would say speed's an anomaly. I I
23:39think most streamers are lazy as hell.
23:41Uh one in chat if you agree most
23:43streamers are extremely lazy and they
23:45don't want to innovate. Speed is an
23:47innovator. Most streamers uh got popular
23:49in a game, whether they were good at it
23:51or they were friends with someone,
23:53>> they had a peak four years ago and
23:55they're just still playing that game,
23:57right? Or they have a friend group
23:59they've had for five years and they
24:00don't want to let it go.
24:01>> Well, it's all in my opinion what
24:02defines like a legacy creator, somebody
24:05who can exist over 10, 15 years is the
24:07pivot. Like a lot of people don't have
24:09the ability to pivot.
24:10>> It's the risk and they don't want to
24:11take risks.
24:12>> Yeah. People are onetrick ponies. That
24:14that is another huge contributor to
24:16that. But um
24:17>> yeah, for example, for me, I I started
24:19off playing World of Warcraft. Then I
24:21went to Call of Duty. Then from there, I
24:23started bringing on uh girls. Then from
24:26there, I started bringing on girls. Then
24:28from there, I started bringing on Asian
24:30women, right? I really learned my craft.
24:32>> Brother, I walked in this motherfucker's
24:34crib yesterday, and I'm not kidding.
24:36This is real. I walk in that house that
24:38you're looking at right now. I ask where
24:40I can take a piss. He somewhere over
24:42there. Go over there. I start exploring
24:44this kid's crib and I'm going around and
24:47every [ __ ] door I open, there's
24:48another Asian girl in it. There
24:50[laughter] was like six Asian women like
24:52camped out of this house. By the way,
24:53it's like 3 p.m. Half of them are
24:54sleeping. I think one of them was
24:56chained by her neck to the wall. Like it
24:58was a [ __ ] [laughter]
24:59>> It was a [ __ ] weird This fool was a
25:01weirdo.
25:02>> Yeah. Uh yeah. Well, I mean, you know,
25:06uh different strokes for different
25:08folks, right? I mean,
25:08>> you like what you like, bro.
25:10>> I mean, yeah. Like, you know, I First
25:13fool is a tier one goonaroner. Like you
25:14really [laughter] are you you love that
25:16[ __ ]
25:16>> bro. He's got World of Warcraft, bro. Of
25:18course he's a gooner.
25:20>> Some people zap their dogs. I zap Asian
25:23women. Okay. Like what do you want me to
25:24do? Like
25:25>> that one's going to fly right over right
25:26over Anom's head. This is a Hassan Per
25:29joke. This is like real deep.
25:31>> I did. I did. No, I have. I saw I saw
25:32the [ __ ] that went viral on it and
25:34people mad people were like upset at him
25:36for it, right? Cuz the the dog was like
25:38twitching and [ __ ]
25:40>> Yeah, they Oh, God. It it was to me it
25:42was a little
25:43>> Let's just leave this one alone. Miz,
25:44let's not get too out of control in this
25:46stream, okay? It's a stream about
25:47[laughter] money, attention, AI
25:49literacy. Let's just
25:49>> I'm trying to learn, bro. I'm trying to
25:50learn coloring culture.
25:53>> You don't want to [laughter] I promise
25:55you, brother, you're in the best spot
25:56you could possibly be in.
25:58>> Oh, yeah. If you want to learn streaming
25:59culture, I'm your guy. I can teach you.
26:00I I know at the I mean, I made the
26:02videos on the streamers for the culture.
26:04>> I think you guys should talk way more
26:05over this next month.
26:06>> When you I'm I'm down. I'm definitely
26:09down. Um, bro, when you were playing
26:10World of War, I played World of
26:12Warcraft, too, by the way. I played it a
26:13lot, actually. I played with my dad. I
26:15played like arena and all that [ __ ]
26:18>> Oh [ __ ] Wait, what was your rating?
26:19>> Like 2200.
26:21>> Wait, what?
26:22>> Yeah, that was good.
26:23>> No, that's good. Wait, wait, wait, wait.
26:24I was young though.
26:25>> Did you Did you see uh Did you see Only
26:27Fangs?
26:28>> Only Fangs?
26:30>> No.
26:31>> Wow. That blew up in the past two years.
26:33>> Uhuh. What was that?
26:35Basically, I started this whole meta
26:37called Only Fangs where I uh I got a
26:40bunch of people together to uh start a
26:42guild where we were it was hardcore
26:44woow. It blew up. It was the biggest
26:46thing on Twitch. It was everywhere and
26:48we did it for two years.
26:50>> And someone in my chat saying I started
26:52I did start it. I literally gave the
26:53idea to Soda and said, "No, you need to
26:55be the leader. I don't want to be the
26:56leader because you are the best leader
26:58for this because it makes the most
26:59sense." I did start it and you know I
27:01did. Chance even admitted I did.
27:03>> That's legendary. Because you know what
27:05I do? I do innovative stuff. Does it
27:07always work? Yes. But [laughter]
27:12>> bro, no. I played hella wow. I had the
27:14[ __ ] I had twinks at every level, you
27:17know? You had like the 19, 29, 39, 49,
27:2059. I I had that the whole [ __ ] We were
27:22I played as a non-stop, bro. Like a lot.
27:26>> What uh what was your main?
27:29>> Um hold on. I'm looking at my mod. Uh,
27:31my main was I'm I'm a resto druid or a
27:33druid in general.
27:34>> Oh, okay. Fire. I was a [ __ ] um ice
27:36mage.
27:38>> Oh [ __ ] You're a mage. Oh, so yeah,
27:40you're 2200. That makes sense.
27:41>> Yeah. Know, I was a I was a I was a
27:43wrestler droid.
27:44>> That's fire.
27:46>> Yep. But um yeah, no, I I I started with
27:49WoW, then I went to other stuff. I
27:51really been just just chatting for a lot
27:52of years, but I've I've done a lot of
27:54things. I made this org, this org club
27:56called OTK. Um and it was the biggest
27:58org on Twitch. I think I've heard of
28:00that.
28:01>> Three.
28:01>> Yeah. Yeah. We were huge for like three
28:03years. Uh we basically ran everything.
28:05>> Dude, we have such a similar arc. It's
28:07so weird.
28:08>> Yeah, we do. We do.
28:09>> It's so weird, man. And I really again,
28:11I might be the only person on the
28:13internet prepared to like glaze you. But
28:16like you you deserve so much more than
28:18than what you've been given as far as
28:20like the credit stuff. Just know I
28:21understand like how that [ __ ] feels to
28:24innovate things, to just kind of do
28:26things because you love to create
28:27things. you love to put things out and
28:29just be misinterpreted and misconstrued.
28:31I don't know. It's [ __ ] crazy. Even
28:33the only fangs thing like I I've seen
28:35that. I've never played WoW a day in my
28:36life, but I saw that with the um the
28:38pirate software guy and kind of all like
28:40I saw this resurgence of like popularity
28:42around World of Warcraft and all the
28:44drama and all that stuff. And um I had
28:47no [ __ ] clue you were anywhere even
28:49near that, let alone started it, you
28:51know?
28:51>> No, I I I fully had the idea. I fully
28:54started it. I'm the one that got people
28:55together and then Chance was the leader.
28:58Like it it was my idea and like you're
29:01right. I I I I people are like, "Dude,
29:03you're a victim." It's like, "No, I have
29:04been given the worst and most unfair
29:06cards in streaming for
29:08>> Oh, we are we are very very lucky. You
29:10can admit this and I hope that you you
29:13um take the time because even yesterday
29:14on the stream, you're like, I [ __ ]
29:15hate my life. I hate hearing that from
29:17you." And
29:18>> we have Oh, no. I'm kidding.
29:19>> Yeah. Okay. Okay. Okay. We
29:21>> No. Listen, am I lucky? Um, yeah, I'm
29:25I'm lucky uh that, you know, there's no
29:28uh Yeah, I'm a I'm a lucky guy. I would
29:30say that. But [laughter]
29:32have I worked harder than every other
29:33streamer basically in this industry that
29:35and they don't that you know? Yes. Have
29:37I innovated a lot more than most people?
29:39Yes. Do I think that but the thing is my
29:41time isn't done. This is just part of my
29:43story and I know that as my story
29:45continues, as more chapters unfold,
29:47>> I'm this is not my be this is not my end
29:50and it's not even damn close. Like now
29:51I'm pivoting into finance content and
29:53the people are loving it. Like I've
29:55they're wanting more. They want they and
29:57I do that we were just having bro. I
30:00I've had visions on [ __ ] more content
30:03and feeding the people more content like
30:04this in like the world of finance
30:06specifically crypto because I came into
30:08crypto super super passionate. Became
30:10this like NFT evangelist. spent a [ __ ]
30:12ton of money, a [ __ ] ton of time, you
30:14know, bought into a bunch of projects
30:16for the culture, trying to establish
30:17some sort of, you know, rapport in that
30:19community because it was fun for me and
30:21because I saw something that other
30:22people didn't see. It worked out. I made
30:24a bunch of money in NFTs because I made
30:25some good trades. But like, I've been
30:27trying to pill Anom on doing content
30:29like this since I met him. It's
30:30literally since I met him. Thread Guy
30:32used to do spaces. That was the meta.
30:33They they all used to do spaces on
30:35Twitter and they were just voice to
30:36voice. And I'm like, "Yo, why don't you
30:38get on Twitch? Like, you should [ __ ]
30:39stream. There's nobody doing this [ __ ]
30:41and there's obviously a domain.
30:43>> Actually, there is one guy. The stock
30:45guy. He's the goat. I I really think
30:48>> this the stock guy is his name.
30:50>> Yeah.
30:50>> Yeah, dude. He's a funny, creative, good
30:52guy. He's a I You should He's very
30:55smart. You should definitely have him on
30:56the show. He's a very
30:58>> I'll do my research on him and we'll
30:59we'll make it happen next week. Yeah, he
31:01can come on next week. The stock guy, if
31:02you're watching this, um would love to
31:04have you on. Um, it it seems like
31:06streaming is getting like a lot more
31:07popular outside of just the streamers
31:09though. Like there's athletes who want
31:11to stream now. There's like celebs who
31:12want to stream. Like it seems like
31:13everybody is kind of trending in that
31:15direction. I saw a lot of people were
31:17mad at uh Jaylen Brown the other day cuz
31:20they lost to the Sixers in game seven
31:22and then the next day he was on like
31:24Twitch doing a stream like looking at
31:25all the plays and everything. There are
31:27some people who reacted to it like
31:29everybody is trying to stream now. I
31:30guess what what are your thoughts on
31:32what's next? you think going to be
31:35innovative for streaming and like around
31:37that and GTA where it's going GTA 6.
31:40>> Yeah, I personally think that IRL is so
31:42over inflated and it's boring. I mean,
31:44the fact that you have content creators
31:46literally flying from state to state and
31:48no one cares is crazy and it's just
31:50unrealistic to keep up this expectation.
31:52I think that it's a pendulum will swing
31:54and it'll go back to GTA 6. I think uh
31:57in my opinion uh content creators are
32:00just focusing on such clips nowadays so
32:02much that they're not actually caring
32:04about the stream and it's become [ __ ]
32:06boring and vap vape there. There's the
32:08thing there are creators though that can
32:10do both and I will say this stable
32:11Ronaldo is one of them that he can
32:13actually entertain while also farming
32:16clips and that's
32:17>> a generational talent. He's another
32:19person who's pivoted very well and like
32:21he's going to be around forever. like
32:22that would be my pick to win it all as
32:25far as um the the X-Phase core core
32:29group of guys. This might be a stupid
32:30question and before I say it, I just
32:31want to say I do see the value in
32:33streaming and exactly what you said
32:34Jaylen Brown hopping on. I think I think
32:36streaming is a very very good median and
32:39in platform and and way to distribute
32:42like thoughts, honest thoughts and
32:43respond to things like to sit down and
32:45just talk to the world. Yeah. Um, but
32:47what I don't necessarily agree with is
32:49the sentiment that streaming is getting
32:52more popular because I just had this
32:53conversation yesterday. Like even the
32:55biggest streamers in the world who
32:56stream to, you know, 20, 30, 40, 50,000
32:59viewers, that's not a ton of people,
33:02right? Like there aren't a ton of people
33:04who will sit and watch an actual stream.
33:06What is getting popular is like clipping
33:10has completely taken over. And the
33:12reason why streamers are being clipped
33:14so so much and the reason why streamers
33:16are kind of at the forefront of that um
33:18is be is just because they're streaming
33:20all day long. Their content output
33:21there's so much of it that um they're
33:24being clipped and their communities too.
33:26Even though they're smaller in niche and
33:29when I say smaller, like I think that
33:30the the number 30,000 people is a small
33:33number in the grand scheme of the
33:34[ __ ] planet. There's no like, you
33:36know, these these aren't like gatekeep
33:37links. Like all you have to do is click
33:38the link and you're watching a stream,
33:40right? and you know 20 30,000 people
33:42compared to the 7.8 billion people on
33:44the planet. It's not that much. You go
33:46into like a stadium like a [ __ ]
33:47What's the average like football
33:48stadium?
33:49>> Like 50,000.
33:51>> 50,000. Yeah. You go to a football
33:52stadium, 50,000 people in person is a
33:54lot of people. But think about what
33:55those people had to do to get there.
33:56They had to buy the ticket. They had to
33:57drive to the stadium. They had to
33:59[ __ ] set their day aside to go do
34:00that, right? And you see it 50,000. But
34:03all these [ __ ] have to do is
34:04click a link, right?
34:05>> And they're not doing it right.
34:07>> So I don't know. It's just it's an
34:09interesting conversation. Um I want to
34:11answer it.
34:12>> Yeah. Yeah. Please. I would love to know
34:14your opinion on that.
34:15>> Well, so the reason why um it's the
34:18thing is just because it's popular
34:20doesn't mean that it's growing, right?
34:22Streaming is very popular. In fact, I
34:25completely agree. It's it it's it's
34:26growing faster than ever before. It is
34:28more popular than ever before. You ask
34:30kids nowadays uh like 10 years ago, what
34:33do they want to be? YouTubers, right?
34:36Nowadays, they all want to be streamers.
34:37streaming is more popular due to clips,
34:40but that doesn't mean people are
34:41watching streams. And the reason why
34:43they're not watching streams is because
34:45it's oversaturated. It's because uh
34:48streamers are not good streamers
34:50anymore. You will have streamers pop up
34:52nowadays who got popular on Tik Tok that
34:55get millions of views. They'll start,
34:57but they don't know how to be a good
34:58streamer long term and they'll phase out
35:01in like two or three months and be
35:03irrelevant on Twitch. Uh when before
35:06before all this clipping crap, streamers
35:08had to kind of gradually grow on Twitch.
35:10They didn't have these massive pop offs
35:12randomly. And because of that, you had a
35:14good streamers that understood the
35:16culture that were able to keep going.
35:17Nowadays, that's not a thing. Uh
35:19streamers are just getting big on
35:21TikTok, they don't know how to stream
35:22longterm, they get bored, they leave.
35:24Uh, number two, the reason why it's
35:27popular but it's not growing is that
35:30it's it's it's since it is everywhere.
35:32Since you could just see clips of
35:34streamers all day, there's no point to
35:36watching streams. You don't there's a
35:38reason why you don't see clips of
35:39Netflix shows all the time on your
35:41Twitter feed and you see endings of
35:43Netflix shows on your Twitter feed. They
35:45will DMC the [ __ ] out of it because if
35:47you do see that, you're not going to go
35:48to Netflix and they know that, right? So
35:51they don't want that out there and
35:53because that's the reason why they do
35:55that it but streaming that's not what
35:57it's like. I would never watch a stream
35:59because I could just go on Twitter. I
36:00see the whole stream. What's the point
36:01of me watching three hours of fluff when
36:04you've given me the best content of it
36:05on my my feed.
36:07>> So clipping has destroyed the reason to
36:10go watch a streamer. And then not only
36:13that, it's destroyed the reason to watch
36:14their YouTube channels. It's destroyed
36:16the reason to care about any of their
36:18socials besides Instagram and Tik Tok.
36:20And just because streamers are more
36:22popular than ever doesn't mean that
36:23they're getting more views. An example
36:25is Sodapoppin. Sodapoppin is an OG
36:27streamer. He is on the Mount Rushmore of
36:29streamers, right? But Sodapoppin gets
36:31like 10K viewers doing whatever the [ __ ]
36:33he wants. He's been around for 15 years
36:35now. Uh he has no clips. He has no
36:38anything, but he's just known for being
36:40a streamer. That's it, right?
36:42>> Yeah.
36:44Jason Nen gets a billion views a month
36:46probably literally on clips and gets
36:49just as many views as a 32-year-old
36:51playing boring ass games barely talking.
36:54Why? It's because people who watch clips
36:57don't give a [ __ ] about the streamer
36:58because why should they? I don't need to
37:00watch core. I could just get my news in
37:02two seconds. Silky ate something. Ron
37:06said a funny joke and Marlin looked at
37:08the camera, right? I don't need to watch
37:10a 4hour VOD to find out that
37:12information. So that's hurt streaming in
37:14general. So yes, it is more popular.
37:15Doesn't mean that people are watching
37:17it.
37:18>> So you think it's basically Yeah, that
37:20makes that makes a ton of sense
37:21actually. That's great great context. So
37:23you think it's two kind of disperate
37:25groups. There's one group who is like
37:27watching the actual streams if it's
37:29something with educational content or
37:30something interesting, they'll watch the
37:32entire thing and those are the people I
37:33guess you're building the community
37:34with. And those are probably the people
37:36who last longer over time in streaming.
37:38And then there's people who are just
37:39like the Tik Tockers who are scrolling
37:41the timeline and they consume all the
37:42clips and all that.
37:44>> Yeah. And it it's, you know, a lot of
37:46people come to Twitch
37:48>> that are streaming in general and
37:49they're like, "Dude, I'm famous." Or
37:50like, "I'm a I'm an NFL player. I'm a
37:53basketball player,
37:54>> but they only get they only get 50
37:56straight up. They only get 50 views and
37:58no one cares because the thing is just
38:01we don't care that you're a celebrity."
38:02And I I hope celebrities realize that
38:03about viewers on Twitch. We don't give a
38:05[ __ ] that you're a celebrity. In fact,
38:07that makes you not relatable. Why
38:09streamers grow, why people love
38:11streamers is because the relatability.
38:13It's because they could see themselves
38:15in them. Paras,
38:16>> that's why I've always really really
38:18liked the friend group model. That's why
38:19I feel like the friend group model has
38:21always been so [ __ ] strong. It's like
38:23>> what's the friend group model?
38:24>> Like you you constructed I always liked
38:26like what I liked about the phase group
38:28that we just had, the Jason, the Lacy,
38:31the [ __ ] um Max, Silky, Ron, Adapt.
38:35like this is a very like hodgepodge
38:38mishmash group of people. And I remember
38:39like the the biggest point of criticism
38:42off RIP was this is never going to work.
38:44They're too different. But for me, that
38:46was by that was by design. That was
38:48intentional. Like for them to be
38:50different and kind of everybody to play
38:52a certain role and appeal to a certain
38:53demographic and be, you know, Lacy's the
38:56relatable like
38:57>> he's a slim, thin, trim looking,
39:00handsome kid now, but he was like the
39:01fat friend like LOL cow, right? like and
39:03like he would roll with that and he
39:05would play with that, he would play
39:06that. Whatever. Silki's like from
39:08[ __ ] New York, like tough guy, grew
39:11up whatever type of way. Max is like the
39:14artist, wants to make music, whatever.
39:15Ron is just like [ __ ] goofy and
39:17funny, understands the internet, he's
39:19going to make you laugh, you know? And
39:21then Adapt's like the OG [ __ ] he's
39:23playing the role that we used to play
39:24with him, which is like big brok. And it
39:26like worked really well.
39:28>> And it was very good synergy. And you
39:29got like the reason.
39:31>> Why is Ron the most successful in my
39:33opinion in terms of being a streamer and
39:35he will be
39:37it's because Ron's the most relatable.
39:38You you see him and you're like he's a
39:40good he's a he's an average looking dude
39:42that
39:43>> really just wants to [ __ ] around and and
39:44and play games and and he talks to his
39:46chat and he's very interactive and he
39:48understands that. And what's happened a
39:51lot with streamers nowadays and why they
39:53are not doing as well and they need to
39:55bot like crazy is streamers have become
39:58unrelatable and they become unrelatable
40:00so fast that now that's why a lot of
40:03people hate streamers. They're not
40:04relatable. Back like five years ago we
40:07all were relatable because you know we
40:09didn't make millions of dollars a month.
40:10We didn't have these big paychecks. We
40:12weren't trying to buy Gucci bags and
40:14[ __ ] And when people see that they
40:17don't want to watch them do that all the
40:19time. They want to watch someone they
40:20feel like they can be friends with.
40:22He's lost that model very hard over the
40:25past few years. Like Lacy, I'll give it
40:27as example. Lacy is someone that uh was
40:30the fat guy, was the funny guy. He was
40:31relatable. But now Lacy like basically
40:34became like a Marlin 2.0. That
40:36relatability has dropped dramatically
40:38because you don't like he he's he's
40:40trying to look really good. He's trying
40:41to farm aura and yeah, it gets good
40:44clips, but it's not something that you
40:45want to watch someone for stream for. I
40:47don't think it's necessarily an issue
40:48for him to want to go look better, be
40:50healthier. I've actually talked to Lacy
40:51a little bit about like health and like
40:53dieting and just being better. I think
40:55there is a level of relatability to
40:57that. And especially if like that
40:59>> Yes, there's relatability while it
41:00happens, but not when it happens.
41:03>> Okay, fair. That's a that's a take. But
41:05I I don't know. That's positive output,
41:07too. Like we we're looking at the rise
41:09of clavvicular and looks maxing and
41:11[ __ ] bone smashing and getting jerked
41:13off live on stream and being [ __ ] you
41:15know that for a community of young
41:17impressionable men versus like Lacy
41:20wanting to lose weight and and feel
41:22better about himself and being honest
41:24about that process. I don't know. I feel
41:25like that it's all about how you do it.
41:26I also don't
41:27>> just because it's good for him doesn't
41:29mean it's good for like the the the the
41:31community parasocialism idea. I agree
41:33with you. It's healthy. What about the
41:34kid? What about the kid in the chat who
41:36like
41:37>> is also overweight and [ __ ] feels
41:39like [ __ ] about himself and he like goes
41:40with the flow and he like lets everybody
41:42laugh at him and he pokes fun at
41:43himself, but deep deep down there's a
41:45deep [ __ ] sadness in insecurity and
41:48you know Lacy goes and does it and he
41:49looks at Lacy and he says, "Oh, I can do
41:51it too." The Hodge Twins, for example,
41:53changed my whole life. I watched a video
41:55probably [ __ ] 15 years ago that the
41:57Hodge Twins did around intermittent
41:59fasting and how this will work to lose
42:01weight and I went and lost 30 40 pounds
42:03and it spiraled and snowballed into
42:06whatever everything that I know today
42:07about
42:08>> I'll say this you're you're you're right
42:10that fat kid wants to watch but when
42:12that fat when Lacy becomes thin thin
42:15good-looking and all this stuff and he's
42:16moved on that new viewer who's fat has
42:20no relatability to Lacy just because
42:21Lacy was fat years ago that's not going
42:23to make you relatable
42:24What's relatable is trying. What's
42:26relatable is the difficulty. What's
42:27relatable is like he isn't eating that
42:29piece of food. It's not relatable when
42:31you know he is not fat. It's relatable
42:34when he's trying to not be fat. And this
42:37has happened time and time again with
42:38streaming.
42:39>> You could you could go you could go as
42:40far to say the most popular one of the
42:43core group is Marlin as far as
42:45mainstream success goes and his social
42:47media as far as like Tik Tok, Instagram,
42:50whatever. He's probably the least
42:52relatable person in the group. He's like
42:54extremely [ __ ] handsome and it's like
42:57unattainable and it's like, you know,
43:00he's the least relatable in my opinion.
43:03Why is he the most successful in in a
43:04lot of metrics in a lot of regards then?
43:06>> Well, because it's short form content,
43:08right? It's more the it's that quick I
43:10want to stare at you, you're beautiful
43:11aura. You don't need to farm
43:13parasocialism with that necessarily. You
43:14could farm, you know, any type of
43:16viewer. But if you want a viewer to
43:18watch your stream, to be a part of your
43:20journey, because that's what streaming a
43:21lot of is. It's a it's your journey. If
43:23you're going for this IRL concept,
43:25they're not going to care about your
43:26journey because it's boring. You are
43:29hot. You are rich. You get with the best
43:31girls. You you you you've done it all.
43:33You beat the game. You want to watch the
43:35journey. You don't care about the end.
43:37And and Marlin feels like that. Think of
43:39how crazy this is. Marlin's that big
43:41everywhere. Everyone knows he streams.
43:43He gets a few thousand viewers. Dude, I
43:45used to get 20,000 viewers doing ads.
43:48>> So my question is then I was nothing
43:50like these kids.
43:50>> I like I personally like to watch
43:52content of people and I like to hear
43:54people talk who are smarter than me, who
43:56have more money than me, who are better
43:58than me, who are in better shape than
44:00me, etc. Because I find it to be
44:02productive. I find it to be be an
44:04opportunity for me to learn and add to
44:06myself and improve as a a person. That's
44:09the type of content that I like to to
44:11consume. Obviously, we're talking about
44:13streaming specifically right now, and
44:14we're talking about the parasocial
44:15relationship, relatability with
44:16streaming. My question, I guess, to you
44:18is, do you think there is a place in the
44:21market of streaming for content like
44:23that? Like you're doing the finance
44:24stream, this show for example, like do
44:27people want to see that?
44:29>> Uh, so
44:30>> do they want do they want to improve
44:31their life? Do they want to improve
44:32their standing, their position?
44:34>> Oh, absolutely. Like there is
44:36>> who's doing that the best
44:37>> in terms of here's the thing. There is a
44:40huge market that is untapped on the
44:42internet on streaming which is uh trying
44:45to do finance and trying to do this kind
44:46of content or productivity. There's a
44:49lot of things that you could do but
44:50streamers are lazy man and they just see
44:52what has worked and they don't want to
44:54try to change it. They see uh you know
44:56do the tier list do the [ __ ] that me and
44:58Lwig did for five years copy the models
45:01and paste and then and basically make
45:03your millions because they don't need to
45:05innovate. A lot of these younger kids
45:07they don't. Why do why does Jace need to
45:09innovate? He doesn't. He has that
45:10parasocial viewers. He has those viewers
45:12that want to watch him grow. He has
45:14those viewers that are obsessed with
45:15him. But these older viewers, these 30
45:18year olds, these people that have been
45:20around for a long time, they're losing
45:22that parasocialism with guys that are
45:25older. And they should. They're getting
45:27older. They're getting families. They
45:28don't care anymore. So, what should they
45:30do? They should pivot. But I think a lot
45:33of these older streamers have no talent
45:35and they'd rather go down with the ship,
45:37try to make a couple extra bucks than
45:39actually try to innovate and possibly
45:41hurt their career. Now, um I will say
45:44this, uh uh is there room for finance
45:48content like you're doing or I'm doing?
45:50Absolutely, dude. Viewers always want to
45:53do better and viewers want to get
45:55something out of what what's the reward
45:57of watching me go do an IRL and and and
46:00go buy a food? There's no reward. You
46:02might get a laugh or two. Who gives a
46:03[ __ ] You don't need to do that. Uh the
46:06reward is now they can watch me make
46:08them money. They can watch you learn
46:10about finance. They can watch you and
46:11learn about finance. And that's so
46:13important and such a value that if you
46:15can make it entertaining, you are you
46:18have such a big layup on on everyone
46:20else because the Jason style, the the
46:22FaZe Clan style, whatever it is, even
46:24the OTK style we had, it does fade. As
46:27you get older, it gets cringier. As you
46:29get older, friends dissipate. They all
46:31want to do different stuff. We all It's
46:33what happens. But [clears throat]
46:34finance, politics, business, things that
46:36grow for your rest of your life, it it
46:38stays forever.
46:39>> Grayson, what's going on, dude? I
46:40haven't seen you in a while.
46:42>> I think what what's been interesting for
46:43me like with being on Twitter is that
46:47parasocial relationship that you're
46:48talking about. Um, people do care about
46:50that a lot. And it's weird in crypto
46:52because everybody's anonymous. And my
46:54account on Twitter wasn't anonymous, but
46:57it was because it wasn't anonymous
46:58because it was just my regular Twitter
46:59that I was sharing all my like with my
47:01friends from college and friends from
47:03everywhere else. And when I started
47:04doing Twitter and started trading, I
47:06just started putting that content out
47:07there in the same place that I was like
47:09going out on the weekends and tweeting
47:11about being out and all the other things
47:12that I was tweeting about. So like
47:14during the bare markets when I was
47:16tweeting about stuff that wasn't
47:17cryptospecific, I had this whole
47:19community of people that were just like
47:21following me and knew me as a person.
47:23And then like as my account started to
47:24blow up and blow up, there's a ton of
47:27situations where people would take
47:29things out of context that I did or like
47:31overindex on stuff I was wrong on when
47:33talking about trades. But then there was
47:35a core group of people who had been
47:37following me for like
47:38>> one sec. By the way, I could see I
47:39whenever I'm pulling up the the Ninja
47:41thing, you can see the images. I just
47:43went full cam. But yeah, I don't know
47:44what I should watch on my stream.
47:46>> What did you say?
47:47>> I could see like the DM thing, whatever,
47:50for a second.
47:50>> What DM thing? What are you talking
47:52about?
47:52>> On my on my on my screen. Yeah. I was
47:54looking at my my Twitter.
47:56>> Okay. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I
47:58just want to let you know that I could
47:59see that.
47:59>> Yeah.
48:00>> I al I also could see a guy on the
48:01bottom that uh is is hanging out. He's
48:05muted.
48:08>> Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
48:10>> No, it's fine. That's that's fine. I'm
48:11aware. I'm aware of that.
48:13>> Okay. Yeah. I just I didn't want to leak
48:14anything.
48:14>> No, no, you're good. Um, yeah. I was
48:17saying it's like the the community of
48:18people that I had um following me would
48:21be like a lot more responsive and a lot
48:23more like defending of me when I'm they
48:25have seen like my journey as a trader,
48:28my journey as being on TT cuz I really
48:30was just a regular person tweeting and
48:31then like my account blew up and now I'm
48:32this figure that people um kind of like
48:36don't view as a person and it's like
48:37there are people who were there as the
48:39core group who do view me as a person.
48:41So, I definitely believe the parasocial
48:43um effect is super important and people
48:45trust you a lot more when they know um
48:47what your intentions are. So, it's
48:49definitely a real thing with streaming
48:50and also just internet content. I've
48:52never done streaming. I've always just
48:55been the tweeting the tweeter guy, but
48:57um yeah, it's interesting to see that
48:59the overlap there actually carries the
49:02same way.
49:03>> Yeah. No, it's it's it's huge.
49:05Parasocial is everything when it comes
49:06to streaming. Obviously, obviously
49:08you're on the [ __ ] worser end of the
49:10parasocial dynamic right now, Miz. I as
49:12well obviously am too as far as like
49:14hardcore streaming culture goes.
49:16>> In what way? I'm not even what
49:18>> just like just like the narratives
49:20around like obviously a lot of people
49:22have kind of chocked it up as and and
49:24and and
49:27came to the conclusion that FaZe coming
49:29to an end was all my fault, right?
49:30There's a million things at play,
49:32whatever, whatever. These are, you know,
49:33five or six very strong streaming
49:36communities that have come to that
49:37conclusion. Um, and yeah, like what
49:39comes with that obviously is not fun.
49:42You know, you get [ __ ] slammed and
49:44and um whatever. Again, I'm not a
49:46victim. Whatever. It's just the reality
49:48of the situation. I know Miz is in a
49:49similar situation. What is your like
49:51plan and route out? Cuz honestly, this
49:53is new for me. Not only is streaming new
49:55for me. I'm learning a lot. Even hearing
49:57you talk about it, it's [ __ ] It's a
49:59very interesting conversation. Um,
50:01>> but like what like what are your plans
50:04like what's what's your you know I know
50:06what your plans are for the next 30 days
50:08but what's your plans for the next year,
50:10five years, 10 years?
50:11>> Uh, dude, I I really like finance and
50:14business. I I want to keep going with
50:15it. I actually am working with Kick like
50:18I'm kind of like like growing Kick as a
50:22whole. I'm basically like redoing
50:23everything on their side because I think
50:25their website UI is ass and I think the
50:28developers could do a lot better. Um, so
50:30I'm literally rebuilding Kick and I'm
50:32I'm helping with a lot of stuff. We're
50:33going to be launching uh um what are we
50:35going to be launching? Crates soon with
50:37with Kick. Uh we're going to be
50:38launching a lot of new things,
50:39interactive stuff, make the website
50:42interesting to stay on, not you know, it
50:43doesn't feel like a website you you went
50:46back to in in the the uh time machine in
50:482011. Uh I also want to get good at
50:51golf. I do want you to come out for
50:53golf. Um
50:55>> I've never played It's not that I say,
50:57can you golf, bro? I've never played
50:59golf. I've never swung a golf club. My
51:00actually actually my PA golf looks
51:02>> shout out Pierce. Shout out Pierce is
51:04like a actual class golfer from what I
51:06hear. He golfs with a bunch of people.
51:08People know him to be a good golfer and
51:10he's my [ __ ] I'm with him every
51:11single day. He's one of my He's
51:12basically my brother.
51:14>> And I I really just Dude, I'm telling
51:16you, man. I know this is going to sound
51:17so [ __ ] cringe. I just want to make
51:19people laugh. Like there's nothing more
51:20in this world that I love than
51:22entertaining. It's been what I love for
51:2431 years of my life. I never want to
51:27stop. I know I have a gift at this [ __ ]
51:29I love to entertain people and I like I
51:31do like to make people happy. I know
51:33people are like, "No, he doesn't. He's a
51:35[ __ ] loser." No. If you look at my uh
51:37discoshoprophe or whatever the [ __ ] it
51:38is of of people I've made so many
51:41millionaires. I've helped so many people
51:42out. I've done so many people so good.
51:45Um and they literally, you know, if you
51:48I'm going to say this and people are not
51:49going to believe me on on on maybe your
51:51side, but my chat knows they're all
51:53rats. Uh but I don't care. I I just like
51:56to help out people. I do. I always will
51:58because um I think every everyone has a
52:00little bit of good in them. Um
52:02>> I think we relate heavily on um just a
52:04lot of things obviously, but when I see
52:07something or I or I jump into something,
52:08I jump in with two feet. I go 100%. And
52:11I do like to innovate and develop things
52:14like you're saying with Kick, it's you
52:16have no business wanting to make Kick's
52:17website better. That's not your
52:19responsibility. I I assume at least at
52:21this stage, you're not being paid for
52:23that. That's not your [ __ ] job. But
52:25you can't help yourself. you see
52:26something that you know you're aware of
52:28because you've been streaming for 15
52:30years where the chat should be this way
52:32or we should we should incorporate this
52:34system because people will stick around
52:36for longer. People will want to watch
52:38more. People will actually come to kick
52:40for this. You can't help yourself. You
52:42see potential and you want to drag it to
52:43the surface. You do that with products.
52:45You do that with ideas and vision things
52:47moving forward. Whether it's in [ __ ]
52:50the games you play or the people that
52:52you play with, right? Like you've done
52:53it with people. you've platformed a
52:54bunch of people and and made, you know,
52:56a ton of people successful or at least
52:58helped in their success. It's like, but
53:00where do people like me and you go
53:02wrong? Because I I share a very similar
53:04story again. It's like, but here we are
53:06in this in this point where I'm not
53:09going to I'm not going to call the
53:10people the people that I've helped rats
53:12again. I I want to put my best foot
53:14forward and honestly, more than
53:15anything, genuinely,
53:18>> all I want to do is move on with my
53:20life. Like I I I really am grateful for,
53:23you know, the people that want to stick
53:24around and actually [ __ ] learn and
53:25grow and and and kind of are in line
53:27with the point of the show and kind of
53:29what I've been on. You know, I'm [ __ ]
53:31sober. I'm I'm I'm healthier than I've
53:33ever been and I just want to lock the
53:35[ __ ] in and and be successful and be
53:36happy and have a
53:38>> I could tell you what the problem is and
53:39I mean sure you know it. It it's it's
53:41you you give too much trust and they
53:44take advantage of that and that's really
53:46all it is, dude. You you trust people
53:48too much. You Surely, surely we have
53:51things that we could be better at,
53:52right? Like surely. Like, and I do think
53:54that I have way too much of an issue
53:56even in business. Like, I've been
53:58[ __ ] I've been fried a million
54:01different ways, a million different
54:02times on on business stuff because of
54:03handshake deals or like doing things in
54:05good faith and like going doing all the
54:07work and then never being, you know,
54:09properly compensated or treated for it
54:11because I just, you know, I trust.
54:13>> But it's also this, you have always been
54:15controversial figures, right? And
54:17because of that, uh, because of the fact
54:20that we have always been content
54:22creators, uh, you're always being easy
54:25to be thrown to the dogs, right? It's
54:27hard to throw someone to the dogs that's
54:29loved and and admired because you really
54:31have to show like a crazy thing to
54:32really make them get thrown. You and I
54:34are always easy to throw to the dogs
54:36because we have been controversial. We
54:37have [ __ ]
54:38>> scumbag, drug addict, [ __ ] this,
54:41that.
54:41>> I'm a douchebag with a [ __ ] mullet.
54:44You're an [ __ ] with tattoos. And
54:46[laughter] what? And and because of
54:47that, we're easier.
54:48>> I'm really not an [ __ ] though. I
54:49feel like I'm I feel like I'm
54:50>> a huge piece of [ __ ] [ __ ] [laughter]
54:53dog [ __ ] human being. And and and
54:55because of that, like uh that that that
54:58people will take advantage of that,
55:00right? They'll they'll uh they'll say,
55:02"Hey, look, like you could just throw
55:03him to the dogs and not have to worry
55:04about shit." And that's how it goes.
55:06It's also You're emotional. You're very
55:08emotional.
55:08>> Super emotional. I am very very
55:09emotional.
55:10>> Yeah. I I too have been emotional and
55:13and I've that's definitely messed me up
55:16a lot too. Uh but I'm not emotional
55:18anymore. I've lost that ability to be
55:21emotion. I I I don't emotions are not
55:23part of my life anymore. So um again,
55:26shout out to uh anti-depressants.
55:28They're great. So yeah, that's that's
55:29basically
55:31uh that's basically my whole gist. I
55:33want to make people money in my chat. I
55:35want to make my chat laugh because I
55:37know for them they know I'm their
55:39one-stop shop for actually funny people
55:41on the, you know, around. There's really
55:42not a lot of content creators. But it's
55:44also they know I care about streaming
55:46and [ __ ] more than like 99% of
55:48streamers. Most streamers have no
55:50passion for this [ __ ] They don't give a
55:51[ __ ] They know I care. They I know
55:54they'll say cap and [ __ ] They know
55:55that if I was not making any money on
55:57streaming, I would still do it because I
55:58love streaming. I love entertaining. I
56:00grew up
56:01>> I I these these my viewers these or
56:04streamers or viewers in general on
56:05streams. They're me. I was them. I was
56:08there. I I was a Dude, I used to hate
56:11watch streamers. That was my life. I
56:14hated all of them in 2015. I would watch
56:16specifically Mitch Jones and I would
56:18hate watching because I'm like, "This
56:20[ __ ] loser is making $1,000 a day
56:23picking his nose and doing nothing but
56:25running around dollar in World of
56:26Warcraft. I can't stand him." And it
56:29made me hate him because I'm like, "This
56:30dude has no degree, no job, no work
56:32ethic, and he's making millions of
56:34dollars." It drove me nuts.
56:35>> You said earlier people hate streamers
56:36because what was it? How exactly did you
56:38say it?
56:39>> Uh, well, they hate streamers now
56:40because we're oversaturated. We're
56:42everywhere and they're talentless a lot
56:44of times. But also, it's because they're
56:45not relatable.
56:46>> Not relatable. That's what That's what
56:48you said. I think even maybe more of an
56:50issue why the average person might like
56:52hate streamers is um I don't know just
56:56like the what it's kind of done to like
56:59society in terms of like I don't know it
57:01just streamers obviously the name of the
57:04game and the people who climb the ranks
57:05the fastest and are the most successful
57:07are the people who are the most
57:08successful at farming each other. That's
57:10all that's all the game is right at the
57:11end of the day. Is that accurate to say?
57:13Is that an appropriate thing to say?
57:15>> You're you're right. But the why do
57:17people have to farm each other so much?
57:18The reality is because content creators,
57:20especially streamers,
57:22YouTubers don't have to really fight
57:23each other for for for the spotlight.
57:25>> Well, you gota realize,
57:26>> no, no, that's that's not I can't that's
57:28not true.
57:29>> Well, drama has drama has been like a
57:31consistent through line and like a
57:33common denominator in like a lot of
57:34people's success on YouTube and just
57:37content in general.
57:38>> But a YouTuber can upload and and
57:40another YouTuber can upload and it
57:41doesn't affect it as much. When for
57:43streaming, it's real time. So, if I'm
57:46live and XQC is live, you literally have
57:4910,000 viewers that watch both of us and
57:51some of them are going to go to me and
57:52some of them are going to go to him.
57:54It's instantaneous competition. And
57:56because of that, it makes people scared.
57:58It makes people angry or jealous or it
58:00makes people feel like they need to
58:02protect what they have. And that almost
58:03puts you in a fight orflight mode, which
58:05makes content creators and streamers
58:07especially be very aggressive, fight
58:09each other, want to attack. Um, and
58:11that's what's happened over the past few
58:12years is streamers have become a
58:14cataclysm and they fight each other.
58:16>> How you feeling about all this, Anom?
58:17Probably really thick content for you to
58:20kind [laughter] of weave through.
58:21>> It's interesting. I mean, I think the
58:23what you guys are talking about with how
58:25you're received and doing content and
58:28like getting popular online. I think
58:30there's a part of it that just you can't
58:32avoid the negative piece because when
58:33there's so many people that are watching
58:36you, there's always going to be some
58:38people that don't agree with what you
58:39what your opinion is, especially if you
58:40have strong opinions. But I think that
58:42the the through line that is the most
58:45important is like if you're doing good
58:47things, you're not doing good things
58:49because you think you're going to get
58:50rewarded for them. You're doing good
58:51things because you think they're good
58:53things. And that's like the most
58:54important for anybody who's a public
58:57figure because once you allow what the
58:59response of the public to determine what
59:02you're going to do going forward, that's
59:04when you stop actually doing those good
59:05things that you know are good and know
59:07align with what your um what your
59:09direction is. So I I think that's my my
59:11main takeaway. But it it seems like it's
59:13a recurring thing for anybody who just
59:15is in the public sphere. It's just how
59:16the internet works and operates.
59:18>> Good take. That's why I think this show
59:19is so important because that's like your
59:21take from a million miles away, right?
59:23Like as you can see in this
59:24conversation, Miz and I are super super
59:26deep
59:28content, right? Like [laughter] YouTube
59:30>> for sure.
59:31>> Twitch, there's probably a lot of things
59:32that we talk about that you fly straight
59:35over your head. You don't even
59:35understand what the [ __ ] we're saying to
59:36each other.
59:37>> I'm learning a lot.
59:38>> But um the same is true in reverse for
59:40the finance tech [ __ ] with you, which is
59:42which is [ __ ] really cool. And that's
59:44probably a good segue into Miz. You
59:47You're on a 30-day You're on a 30-day
59:49mission to [ __ ] invest $300,000 and
59:51make as much money as possible. What is
59:53it sitting at right now? 300K you
59:54started with. Where you at?
59:57>> Just [ __ ] say it, bro. The market up
59:59the third day. It's fine. Market's down
1:00:00today. It's fine. It's fine.
1:00:02>> Yeah. Yeah. Let me let me check. I mean,
1:00:03my my
1:00:04>> semis actually are down today. Semi
1:00:06semies are surprisingly down and
1:00:07software is up today, which is I think
1:00:09is surprising. Semies have been ripping
1:00:11and outperforming [ __ ] so hard. we are
1:00:14at as a community uh we are down it just
1:00:18[ __ ] something just happened. Uh
1:00:20Janna we're down about $2,000 after
1:00:23hours. Um not sure what happened there.
1:00:26>> So what's the total? What's the port?
1:00:27What's
1:00:28>> uh we're at $299,152
1:00:30and you're basically you're basically
1:00:32back at back at square one.
1:00:34>> Yeah. And just let anyone know that's
1:00:35listening basically what I do is I am
1:00:37streaming with my chat uh on kick. I'm
1:00:40on kick and every day uh I'm doing this
1:00:42and whatever money we have at the end at
1:00:44of $300,000 whether it's you know 360
1:00:47$380,000 whatever it could be uh if we
1:00:51can make money hopefully the market
1:00:53keeps going good they keep so based on
1:00:55how much they watch they chat and they
1:00:56interact they keep the profit. So, if we
1:00:58make 80 grand, my chat splits $80,000
1:01:01and we have a system that basically
1:01:02makes it so yeah, they can we we have a
1:01:05system shout out to this guy solutions
1:01:06where uh we will we have it all divied
1:01:09up. We know who's what been watching. We
1:01:11we it's timed and everything and they
1:01:14get the profits. So, they're more
1:01:15involved. The more they're here, the
1:01:17more they get. My goal with this, if it
1:01:19goes well, because it's been [ __ ]
1:01:20going so well the past three days, is to
1:01:22do a million dollars next month. And I'm
1:01:24just like, [ __ ] it. Hey.
1:01:26>> Um, listen, you're you're sponsored by
1:01:27Poly Market. Uh, get me them as a
1:01:29sponsor and I'll make it 2 million
1:01:31[laughter] probably crazy. [ __ ] it.
1:01:33>> We can make it happen, bro. That That's
1:01:34[ __ ] sick, though. That's awesome.
1:01:36>> Yeah. I again, I I want them to make
1:01:38money, dude. I want to be able to see,
1:01:40dude, Miz, I actually learned a lot and
1:01:42I made a lot of money because I heard
1:01:43that so much with the gym content. I had
1:01:45so many people be like, "Dude, I changed
1:01:46my life." This one viewer I had, his
1:01:48name was like Macy or something. He's
1:01:50like, "Dude, I lost a lot of weight
1:01:52watching your content. Uh, I lost like
1:01:54three pounds and then I started taking
1:01:55Ozmpic and you know now I'm doing great.
1:01:57I'm like all right that's fine whatever.
1:01:58But I had a lot of people like
1:01:59>> Was that a Lacy joke?
1:02:02>> I can't tell with you sometimes man
1:02:04[laughter]
1:02:05I heard
1:02:05>> he's lowkey he's slick with it bro. He's
1:02:07slick with it. I see I see the [ __ ]
1:02:09He's a freak. He's a freak.
1:02:11>> Um I want to start with Miz. You said
1:02:13you guys invested in a bunch of things
1:02:14today. What are like the two top two or
1:02:16three that you guys are most excited
1:02:17about you and your chat? I want Anom's
1:02:20feedback.
1:02:20>> Well let's let's ask my chat. Uh I I'm
1:02:22not ai I'm not a financial adviser. I
1:02:24can't you know say it's their portfolio
1:02:26at the end of the day. Uh they're saying
1:02:28AMD I think they're excited about they
1:02:31they did AMD which I think was been
1:02:33good. Um
1:02:34>> AMD was a good spot recently for sure.
1:02:36>> They're they're actually up on AMD by
1:02:375%. Because they bought the the calls
1:02:39and they were up. Uh what's really
1:02:42hurting them right now is we bought
1:02:44Coreweave after hours despite the fact
1:02:46that uh Cororeweave had great financial
1:02:48report and everything and they were
1:02:50doing great. Cororeweave is getting
1:02:51smacked right now. It's down 11% and
1:02:53that's literally all of their losses. Uh
1:02:55is Cororeweave. It's it's literally I'm
1:02:57looking at right now.
1:02:59>> Yeah, they they bought the the they they
1:03:02buy the rumor, sell the news is very
1:03:03famous, and they bought the news. Uh
1:03:06which was it was really great news.
1:03:08Corby should go up, but you know how it
1:03:10is. It's just these stocks can be crazy.
1:03:12Um they're
1:03:14>> Yeah.
1:03:14>> Yeah. I
1:03:15>> It's just a day three. It's not really a
1:03:17big deal.
1:03:17>> Yeah, for sure. That that's that's cool.
1:03:20I think um I wonder what happened with
1:03:21Coritz. Maybe something on like what
1:03:23they're saying is going to happen for
1:03:25the next year because typically when you
1:03:27beat when they beat on like the actual
1:03:29numbers but the stock goes down anyway.
1:03:31It's something that in like the details
1:03:33of what they were talking about and
1:03:34what's happening. So I'm I got to I
1:03:36haven't I haven't followed it. I gota I
1:03:38got to see what the
1:03:39>> Didn't the Leupold Didn't the Leopold
1:03:40Leopold action Rener didn't he part of
1:03:44his
1:03:44>> Yeah.
1:03:45>> Yeah. He the Liupole guy has been
1:03:46crushing um the guy who wrote like the
1:03:48situational awareness AISA and his fund
1:03:52um is up like 10x almost. He I think it
1:03:55started like 500 million now to like 5
1:03:57billion. Corweave is one of their his
1:03:59biggest positions.
1:04:00>> I think it's the only one that hasn't
1:04:02performed like in a disgusting manner,
1:04:04right? Like there was like what it was
1:04:06like he had like seven different
1:04:07positions and they're all up thousands
1:04:10of percent except Corweave.
1:04:12>> Yeah, that's interesting.
1:04:13>> Yeah, it is. Corv is one of the ones.
1:04:15>> Do you know the story about this guy,
1:04:16Msk?
1:04:17>> No.
1:04:18>> Here, I'll I'll bring it up for your
1:04:19chat. You
1:04:21>> This guy's a
1:04:21>> This guy's a beast, bro.
1:04:23>> He's insane. It's This is such an insane
1:04:25story. He's a 24 year old guy who got
1:04:28fired basically from OpenAI when he was
1:04:3022. He took I think he took 250 mil and
1:04:34turned it into 5.5 billion in a year.
1:04:37And um he wrote a whole thing. What was
1:04:39the thing he wrote? What was it called?
1:04:40>> Situational awareness.
1:04:42>> Situational awareness. basically talking
1:04:44about predicting AGI by 2027 and where
1:04:47everybody's kind of flying and flowing
1:04:49into these AI companies explicitly. He
1:04:51decided to invest in what was it?
1:04:54>> Um he invested in Bloom Energy I think
1:04:56was his biggest one that he like smashed
1:04:59>> obviously SanDisk.
1:05:00>> Uh yeah he hit he had a I don't think he
1:05:03so what what he did is like he avoided
1:05:05the hyperscalers like the big names. He
1:05:08didn't he didn't do like Google Meta or
1:05:10any of those. And what he was looking at
1:05:11is like, okay, if there's going to be
1:05:13all this investment in this
1:05:15infrastructure, there's going to be some
1:05:16companies at different levels that
1:05:17benefit really um specifically. And
1:05:20Bloom, I think Bloom Energy was the one
1:05:22that did really well for him. Yeah.
1:05:23Right here is like Yeah, Bloom Energy is
1:05:26up 1,400%. Crazy. And then Momentum's
1:05:29up, 1300%. SanDisk up 3,100%. Corwe,
1:05:33see, it's the only one that isn't I
1:05:35mean, it's up, but it's not it's the
1:05:36only one that isn't performing in like a
1:05:37[ __ ] disgusting way.
1:05:39>> Yeah. I I I mean I'm I am surprised that
1:05:41that Core Wee is actually down after
1:05:43hours. I'm not going to lie. They did
1:05:45beat the revenue. Uh I guess the the
1:05:47issue was probably the uh uh people are
1:05:51trying to take profits.
1:05:53>> I know they have a lot of
1:05:55>> they do their guidance was missed a
1:05:56little bit, but it's it shouldn't have
1:05:58dropped the way it is. I mean, but these
1:05:59stocks right now are so volatile, it's
1:06:01crazy. I still believe in it. I think in
1:06:03my opinion, my chat bought one that I I
1:06:05do like and I think it's a good buy is
1:06:06Planteer. Uh, you know, they're heavily
1:06:09involved in the military and hospitals.
1:06:13>> Yeah, my bad. I was thinking of plants
1:06:14versus zombies. Palunteer is is sick.
1:06:17Um, I think Palanteer has a lot of
1:06:19options for for growth, but um and the
1:06:23thing is my chat is very invested in AI
1:06:25and databases because that's what they
1:06:26know and it's smart to be involved in
1:06:28that stuff,
1:06:28>> of course.
1:06:29>> But, uh, you know, is is it gonna I do
1:06:32believe there's going to be more growth
1:06:33obviously, right? We all agree. But the
1:06:35question is right about this next three
1:06:38days, will it have a tumble again? Yeah,
1:06:40they just had this crazy run
1:06:41[clears throat] and they got in on
1:06:43Monday when it had a crazy run and they
1:06:44were happy, but now they're having a
1:06:46little bit of a downside, but I truly
1:06:48believe I mean this is nothing. It's not
1:06:49a big deal. Uh they they're they're into
1:06:52CAT. I think CAT is an amazing buy long
1:06:55term. I think CAT is one of the best
1:06:57companies to buy. Uh it's yes you're not
1:07:00buying AI you're buying the company that
1:07:02makes the data centers that everyone is
1:07:04making around the country right now and
1:07:05they're the monopoly of that [ __ ] Uh
1:07:07they are in a fantastic buy uh right
1:07:09now. I think that my chat also bought um
1:07:12what else did they buy that they are
1:07:14very excited about? They bought uh
1:07:16actually they bought uh what is it uh
1:07:19Dutch Brothers uh today. They bought
1:07:21they put 10 grand in the Dutch Brothers.
1:07:23>> What's that?
1:07:24>> Uh the coffee.
1:07:25>> Oh okay. Yes, they uh because they think
1:07:29that basically my friend Brian called
1:07:30and he said it's a good buy and they had
1:07:32good earnings. They had good everything,
1:07:33but the and they're growing. They have
1:07:3641 new stores, but the problem with uh
1:07:38them is uh their stock tumbled today.
1:07:41>> So, we bought and we'll see what
1:07:43happens. But, uh they they just put only
1:07:46put 10 grand in. So, they get to vote on
1:07:48how much they put in. They could put in
1:07:49uh small, medium, or large amount.
1:07:52>> And for this coffee, they went uh Trent.
1:07:54They put 20 grand in. the opposite the
1:07:56opposite end of the spectrum with the AI
1:07:58[ __ ] like going as far away from screens
1:08:00and investing in like real life
1:08:02experiences, restaurants, things like
1:08:04that. Um that nature is always a good a
1:08:07good bet. Also, just to culturally like
1:08:10coffee, at least in LA, Miz, you live in
1:08:12LA too. There's I feel like there's a
1:08:13new like Kraken coffee spot popping off
1:08:15every [ __ ] two days here.
1:08:17>> Yes, there is. That is very
1:08:18>> You've noticed this, right? It's crazy.
1:08:20And they all have these popping [ __ ]
1:08:21Tik Toks and um yeah, shout out
1:08:23Community Goods. Shout out [ __ ]
1:08:25Pedro. Shout out Maru. Like there's a
1:08:27bunch of good ones. La La Land in
1:08:29[ __ ] just opened up a couple new
1:08:31spots and they're all like cracking,
1:08:33bro. Lines.
1:08:33>> I mean, it's the same thing with energy
1:08:35drinks, right? Energy drinks always are
1:08:37something that comes and goes. Like when
1:08:38when when uh Logan Paul announced his
1:08:41his energy drink, I I was like, "Cool,
1:08:44this is going to be crazy branding and
1:08:46marketing, but how long will this last?"
1:08:48Right? because energy drinks phase so
1:08:51fast that you know you see one C C4 was
1:08:54so popular for so many years it felt
1:08:56like it was everyone had it now I don't
1:08:58ever see it now I see Celsius everywhere
1:09:01um you know it changes every few years
1:09:03the new brands the new things I I think
1:09:06the same thing with coffee as well but
1:09:08they're only in it for 30 days so
1:09:09they're not here forever um they also
1:09:11are in Google they just bought $20,000
1:09:13into Google is a great buy in my opinion
1:09:16because they are uh they are getting the
1:09:19expenses for the data centers. So for
1:09:21cloud especially with um uh AI is buying
1:09:25into Google cloud uh anthropic just uh
1:09:28guarantee they're going to be spending
1:09:29$200 billion on their cloud services in
1:09:32the next five years. Think Google's
1:09:34great. Uh so I I'm very big on those. I
1:09:37think my chat has done a great job so
1:09:38far. The only one that's [ __ ] them up
1:09:40is the Planteer. Uh but not Planteer is
1:09:43Cororee. But I do believe Core will pan
1:09:46out as time
1:09:46>> I mean just just off the basis of the
1:09:48Leopold fool being bullish on that. I'm
1:09:49like
1:09:51>> do we slam it? I don't I don't know.
1:09:53>> Yeah. And my chat still has um to spend
1:09:56by the way.
1:09:57>> Have you guys bought Take Two?
1:09:59>> I brought up Take Two on the [ __ ] on
1:10:01the stream yesterday.
1:10:02>> You were talking about GTA. Did you guys
1:10:03buy Take Two?
1:10:04>> I just don't know. I don't know that
1:10:05Take Two performs in the next 30 days.
1:10:06You know what I mean? Like he's doing
1:10:07that 30-day thing. These are a whole
1:10:09different question. 30 days. 30 30 days
1:10:11does make it kind of hard cuz like you
1:10:13could pick 10 winners in like Smash and
1:10:16then they'd be down over the next 30
1:10:17days and then it' be like up infinite in
1:10:19the next 6 months. That is that is kind
1:10:20of tricky.
1:10:21>> Um
1:10:23>> yeah,
1:10:23>> well here's the thing. If this thing
1:10:24goes well like I I hope it does and you
1:10:26know we'll see what happens but if it
1:10:28goes well d I'll keep investing.
1:10:29>> This is interesting how the stars are
1:10:31sort of aligning too and Z want you to
1:10:32really get through like the [ __ ] the
1:10:34Intel stuff and the subbra stuff and
1:10:36really go deep in that and feel free to
1:10:37share your screen and thoughts because
1:10:39we cut that part short. We talked about
1:10:40um how Z's feeling about the crypto
1:10:42markets, but we wanted to save his
1:10:44thoughts on um you know, traditional
1:10:46markets for you being on the show cuz it
1:10:48just makes sense. I do want to hear Z's
1:10:51ideas around the 30-day challenge
1:10:53because he's doing something similar.
1:10:55Yeah. Like just randomly. Um he's doing
1:10:57this competition
1:10:58>> which miss honestly lowkey mission.
1:11:00>> You should hop in, bro. You should hop
1:11:01in.
1:11:03>> It's going to be lit. It's going to be
1:11:04fun.
1:11:05>> It's four weeks and everybody's
1:11:06self-funded. It's you start with 25K
1:11:09with a 25K bankroll and whoever makes
1:11:11the most money in the 30 days wins 100
1:11:13bands.
1:11:13>> Gets 100K.
1:11:14>> Yeah.
1:11:15>> And Anthony's going to do that. So, so,
1:11:16but Z, what is your going to be your
1:11:18strategy going into that? Because
1:11:19obviously it's uh
1:11:20>> I mean, so yeah, it's it's going to be
1:11:23um over four weeks and it's going to be
1:11:25per. So, I don't know, miss if you know
1:11:27what per like perpetual futures are.
1:11:29>> Yeah.
1:11:30>> Yeah. Yeah. So, yeah. So, it's 24/7. We
1:11:32can trade anything. Um, we're doing it
1:11:34through Hyperlquid on my app, Bullpen,
1:11:36and it'll be like stocks. So, stocks
1:11:38will be on there. A lot of the stocks
1:11:39are doing a lot of volume. Crypto will
1:11:40be on there. Um, but my strategy is
1:11:42going to be, yeah, it's going to be
1:11:43shorter time frame stuff like optimizing
1:11:45for that instead of like longer term
1:11:48like multi-year holds. Um, so I'm going
1:11:50to be day trading a lot like with
1:11:52>> Can I just invest in a crypto and then
1:11:54have my com my chat uh pump it up and
1:11:56then uh sell it [laughter] and then win?
1:11:59>> Well, it's it's per um so like no, you
1:12:02can't do that. You shouldn't do that.
1:12:03But it is it's per. So like the uh the
1:12:07tickers and what are available on pers.
1:12:09Whatever is there you can trade.
1:12:12>> I I listen if you invite me I'll do it
1:12:13bro. I I I love finance. I live for this
1:12:15[ __ ] I mean I literally love this kind
1:12:18of stuff.
1:12:19>> Is that is that your advice? Is that
1:12:20your advice to him? How he should how he
1:12:22should invest with his chat over the
1:12:23next 30 days is per rather than like
1:12:24spot buying? Because all everything what
1:12:26you're saying and by the way I'm curious
1:12:27your thoughts. Anom like
1:12:29>> does he pass the sniff test? like
1:12:31everything he's saying, the cat stuff. I
1:12:32saw you shaking your head, nodding your
1:12:33head through a lot of what he was
1:12:34saying. It sounds like Miz has, you
1:12:37know,
1:12:37>> a good grasp for sure. A good grasp for
1:12:39sure. I didn't know what to expect when
1:12:40he said he was, you said there's a
1:12:42streamer who's really popular and he's
1:12:44doing an investing thing. I'm like, I
1:12:45don't know what that really means, but
1:12:47>> yeah, he's he's definitely on his game.
1:12:49We actually talked about Eaten last week
1:12:50for the same reasons that he's talking
1:12:52about Caterpillar, like they build a lot
1:12:54of the um stuff for the data centers.
1:12:56Um, so we're kind of on the same in the
1:12:58same ballpark. Like a lot of the AI
1:13:00stuff, we align on a lot of that. 30
1:13:02days is tough. It's just because it's
1:13:03like it's so shortterm that you can pick
1:13:06really good companies and then you could
1:13:08be down still. So like it's more day
1:13:11trading, I would say, if you want to
1:13:12like be aggressive with it. Like in this
1:13:15competition, it's going to be a ton of
1:13:17people. They're trying to make a lot in
1:13:19a in a shorter amount of time instead of
1:13:20like trying to have longer term plans
1:13:22that you compound over years. I mean,
1:13:24it's just two different ways of
1:13:25investing, but um
1:13:26>> well, keep in mind if the goal is like I
1:13:28think if we can make like 10 to 15%,
1:13:30which I do think is very possible with
1:13:32just a good upswing in the market,
1:13:34>> uh that's 30 40 $50,000 my chat
1:13:37splitting between the people that
1:13:38participated.
1:13:39>> Legendary. That's insane. Yeah.
1:13:40>> Right. It's like, and then okay, what if
1:13:41I could do a million dollars next month?
1:13:43They're splitting, you know, $100,000
1:13:45between the chat. Yeah.
1:13:46>> That's crazy money, right? That's
1:13:48[ __ ] awesome. So, you're learning
1:13:49finance. You're being entertained by me.
1:13:51There's a couple Asian girls that go in
1:13:53the background while at the same time
1:13:54you're [laughter] making money. That's
1:13:55awesome, right? And that's the goal is
1:13:57to just like how can I make my chat
1:13:59money while I get to entertain and be
1:14:01stupid while, you know, I continue to
1:14:04grow my brand. And it's it's it's wins
1:14:05all I try to get wins all around for
1:14:07everybody. Uh
1:14:09>> and and even if it's a small loss for
1:14:10me, like I I don't really care. Like I
1:14:13five grand, 10 grand, whatever, you
1:14:14know, I'll uh I'll figure that out. I
1:14:16just won't pay my attorney that week.
1:14:18But hey, I I'm totally I'm totally for
1:14:21like, you know, doing more of this.
1:14:22>> Yeah. If you if you guys win the
1:14:24competition, you have 100K, so I can
1:14:25split 100K.
1:14:28>> It's only 25K entry. But yeah, I would
1:14:30say like if you're to answer your
1:14:31question, banks, on what to focus on for
1:14:33like a 30-day challenge, you're going to
1:14:34want to look at stocks that have
1:14:36catalysts that are very shortterm coming
1:14:38up, and that's how you would you the
1:14:40first for sure.
1:14:41>> First of all, off the top of your head,
1:14:42Anom that you think could work for the
1:14:44next 30 days. Um I think MP materials is
1:14:48an interesting one. Um so I know you
1:14:50guys know Intel has crushed done really
1:14:52well the past like couple months. Um one
1:14:55of the reasons that they've done so well
1:14:56is because of the US's focus on building
1:15:00out um all the different levels of like
1:15:02the chip manufacturing here. So right
1:15:03now everybody relies on TSMC which is
1:15:06like the Taiwan semiconductor um company
1:15:08for uh for building these chips for
1:15:10building the the CPUs actually like
1:15:12manufacturing them. And what Intel is
1:15:14working on is they want to build their
1:15:15own fabs here in the US. And so that was
1:15:17a one tailwind. But also the US
1:15:19government owns 10% of Intel. But like
1:15:21the US government doesn't only own
1:15:24Intel. There's also a lot of other
1:15:26companies that they've invested in in a
1:15:27similar way. Um and I think they could
1:15:29have some good tailwinds over the next
1:15:32um few weeks or so because like people
1:15:34are like, "Oh, they Trump invested in
1:15:35Intel and he's going to keep pumping
1:15:37Intel. What else did he invest in and
1:15:38what else is he looking at?" So MP
1:15:40Materials is one of those companies.
1:15:42They're actually um a rare earth
1:15:44>> MP materials. You're saying
1:15:45>> MP. The ticker is MP.
1:15:47>> Yeah, MP materials.
1:15:48>> Yeah, it's a mining company. Um so
1:15:50they're focused on uh sourcing and
1:15:53finding these rare earth metals. I think
1:15:55it's the Mountain Pass mine in
1:15:58California is the one that they have
1:15:59like access to. Um and I think they also
1:16:03just did a deal with Apple, I'm pretty
1:16:05sure, for like the future. Um, but yeah,
1:16:08so right now the US relies on China for
1:16:10a lot of the rare earth metals that we
1:16:12source and they're important for like
1:16:14EVs. They're important for like the
1:16:15magnets and all these electronics. Um,
1:16:17and we have no real way of getting them
1:16:19except for these like
1:16:20>> very few Yeah. very few mining
1:16:22companies. So MP is one of those. That's
1:16:24what I think.
1:16:25>> What do you What do you think about and
1:16:26my chat some people have been spamming
1:16:27my chat for this a little bit. What do
1:16:29you think about hymns?
1:16:32>> We talked about we've talked about him
1:16:34in a few of the
1:16:34>> Yeah, we talked about him. I like I
1:16:36haven't been able to find like enough
1:16:39conviction on it myself yet to be like,
1:16:40"Yeah, I'm super super super bullish on
1:16:42it." Um, but I do think it's in a really
1:16:44interesting area. It's cheap enough that
1:16:46a narrative can push it a lot. Like
1:16:48obviously the peptides thing is is super
1:16:50viral. Um, and they're like right at
1:16:52that intersection. I I can't say I know
1:16:54like enough to be like, "Yeah, I'm super
1:16:55bullish." But it definitely is an
1:16:57interesting narrative.
1:16:58>> Man, I'm sorry. Whoever's the first to
1:17:00do the peptide [ __ ] or can get that
1:17:01figured out legally
1:17:02>> crushes. Yeah. I I will put every every
1:17:05dime I have into their company at least
1:17:08for a few months. I will put every
1:17:09diamond because they will blow
1:17:11>> they will blow everyone out of the
1:17:12water. Like everyone will be buying if I
1:17:14can.
1:17:14>> Is there any sleeper is there any
1:17:16sleepers that that it's on anybody's
1:17:18radar in terms of that? Like
1:17:19>> I mean I think Eli Eli Liy is the
1:17:21biggest one. I mean they're like I think
1:17:23the tiger's ly they're like the biggest
1:17:26company. Um they also were I think they
1:17:30were not Ozic or the other one. if it's
1:17:31not OIM, it's another one that they do.
1:17:33But yeah, they're they're a pretty large
1:17:36um biotech company, but it's like
1:17:38they're the front runners right now to
1:17:40have the like
1:17:41>> trillion dollar company,
1:17:42>> the like legal whatever with all to do a
1:17:45lot of the peptide stuff.
1:17:46>> Yeah, that's more longer term. I I mean,
1:17:48so my thing with this too is like if
1:17:50look, I'm I'm the financial adviser of
1:17:52my chat, right? I'm not really, but you
1:17:53know, in [laughter] this scenario. So,
1:17:55but my my plan is basically um whatever
1:17:58we can make, you know, they keep. But,
1:18:01you know, if for some reason we have an
1:18:03issue, like maybe I throw in a couple
1:18:05extra hundred grand and you know, we try
1:18:06to figure it out because I want them to
1:18:08be able to get out of this that they you
1:18:09know, yes, you don't always win. You
1:18:11don't long-term investing is to play
1:18:13because they have their youth, which is
1:18:14so important,
1:18:15>> right?
1:18:16>> Stock markets down. You're not stressing
1:18:17out. No one cares. You should be just
1:18:19living your life. every month you put in
1:18:21a couple hundred bucks and you compound
1:18:23interest over time, you're making money
1:18:24and you should be successful. Exactly.
1:18:26It will motivate you and grow you. And
1:18:28the thing is, uh, yes, like this is
1:18:30tough in 30 days. Uh, I'll make it work
1:18:32whatever I have to do for my chat and
1:18:33for the for the people. But, um, yeah,
1:18:36if you have any finance stuff that you
1:18:38want to share with the chat or you ever
1:18:39want to come in and just talk, I I know
1:18:41I know uh, Banks knows where I live. So,
1:18:44if you ever want to come in or join the
1:18:45chat for, you know, anything because
1:18:47they they liked your mining idea. They
1:18:48were like, "Oh, mining." They they like
1:18:50that. Um
1:18:50>> cool.
1:18:51>> They they're down to hear.
1:18:52>> He has some really good ideas. He's a
1:18:53really smart guy.
1:18:54>> This all I do to like So I'm definitely
1:18:56down down to keep chatting.
1:18:57>> I actually don't think Wait, we found
1:18:59out what what is your role like? What do
1:19:00you What do you exactly do?
1:19:02>> Like in life or just in general?
1:19:04[laughter]
1:19:04>> Like in life in Wow.
1:19:07>> Yeah. So I I used to be a um software
1:19:09engineer. I went to Georgia Tech. I
1:19:10studied computer science. Found out
1:19:12about crypto in 2016. Um I had like a
1:19:15professor for this emerging technologies
1:19:17class. he was really big on Bitcoin.
1:19:19Then when I graduated in 2017, I was
1:19:21working as a software engineer. Um, and
1:19:24that's when I started trading crypto.
1:19:25And so from like 2017 to now, basically
1:19:28I've been trading crypto um full-time
1:19:31since 2021. Um, I've been full-time at
1:19:34bullpen since uh early 2024.
1:19:37Um, and yeah, I'm just full-time trader,
1:19:39full-time investor um and a builder.
1:19:42Yeah.
1:19:43>> Cool.
1:19:44>> He bought Salana at $1.50.
1:19:46>> I did. work.
1:19:48>> Yeah, my my like salon trade was like
1:19:49your Nvidia trade,
1:19:51>> and he got a pet cat and uh the chat
1:19:54social engineer doxed him, hit up every
1:19:56person in his family, found out what the
1:19:57cats
1:19:58>> were [ __ ] ran [laughter] coin up to
1:20:00[ __ ] what was it? Hundreds of
1:20:02millions of dollars.
1:20:03>> 100 mil. Yeah,
1:20:04>> 100 mil.
1:20:04>> Wait, wait, [laughter] wait, wait, wait,
1:20:05wait. What? Wait, what? The the cat
1:20:07what?
1:20:08>> So, I don't know if you know like Salana
1:20:10and meme coins in 2023, 2024. You know,
1:20:13you know what whiff is?
1:20:15>> You know B?
1:20:15>> No.
1:20:16>> You know Doge?
1:20:18Yeah. Yeah.
1:20:18>> You know, dope. So, like, and when
1:20:20Salana went crazy in 2023, it went from
1:20:21like $20 to $200. I was one of the
1:20:23people who was super bullish Salana
1:20:25before that happened. And I also was
1:20:27like, well, there's not that many coins
1:20:29to buy on chain on Soul right now. So, I
1:20:31think that Bonk is going to do really
1:20:33well. Bonk is this meme coin, like
1:20:36probably one of the most popular meme
1:20:37coins on Salana at the time. And it was
1:20:39created by a lot of the core um like
1:20:41Salana evangelists, developers,
1:20:43builders, VCs, a ton of people around
1:20:44it. They rallied around Salana when FTX
1:20:47happened, launched Bonk. So in this
1:20:50cycle, I was like, well, Salana comes
1:20:52back, Bonk is definitely going to come
1:20:53back. And then when Bonk did really
1:20:55well, it went from like 40 million
1:20:57market cap, I think, to 1.6 billion or
1:20:59whatever it went to. After that
1:21:01happened, memecoins on Salana went
1:21:03crazy. And so I was the dude who was
1:21:05like, you're the Salana Memecoin guy.
1:21:06And so everything I talked about with
1:21:08onchain with Salana was just going
1:21:10crazy. And at one point in 2024, it got
1:21:13so Black Mirrores that like anything I
1:21:16posted became a coin. Like it didn't
1:21:17matter if it was a word, picture, like
1:21:20it was a coin immediately.
1:21:21>> Your cat.
1:21:22>> So I posted my cat and people were like,
1:21:24"What's the name of the cat and I didn't
1:21:26tell them the name. Went to sleep, took
1:21:27a nap. Then I woke up the next I woke up
1:21:30like a few hours later and my mom is
1:21:32texting me like, "Yo, why are people on
1:21:34Facebook asking me for the cat's name?
1:21:36Like what is going on? What's
1:21:37happening?"
1:21:38Um, and so eventually I posted the cat's
1:21:40point.
1:21:40>> No, I also I I rug pulled my cat's coin
1:21:42actually.
1:21:44>> I didn't ruffle I didn't r
1:21:47[laughter] I I could tell you the story.
1:21:48It's I I Yeah, I r So So uh I was buying
1:21:52cryptos and I was doing this challenge
1:21:54with uh [laughter]
1:21:55such
1:21:56>> the glasses. I love I love the glasses.
1:21:58>> So So I I was uh I was doing crypto
1:22:01trading for a month. I was doing this
1:22:02similar thing a year ago but for crypto.
1:22:04Uh couldn't do it anymore for legal
1:22:06reasons. And when I was doing it, uh, I
1:22:09was pulling up a bunch of stuff and
1:22:11someone in my chat's like, "Dude, buy
1:22:12this coin called Chompy." And I just
1:22:14clicked on it being like, "I don't know
1:22:16what the [ __ ] this coin is." And I like
1:22:18clicked on it. I'm like, "This is
1:22:19stupid." And clicked off.
1:22:22>> Chompy. It's my cat right here.
1:22:25>> Oh yeah.
1:22:26>> We first launched the Faze thing.
1:22:28Somebody sent Lacy like a [ __ ] ton of
1:22:29Ozmpic coins and it was worth whatever.
1:22:31And he's like, "Do I sell [laughter]
1:22:32this?" And I'm like, "No, dude. Leave it
1:22:34all alone. Don't touch [ __ ] Don't sell
1:22:36[ __ ]
1:22:36>> So So what happened was uh the guy that
1:22:39owns the Chompycoin sent one of my mods,
1:22:41OneTap, who's a known scammer, he he uh
1:22:45he got sent uh 20 uh a lot of the coin
1:22:49and since my I brought it on screen for
1:22:51one second,
1:22:52>> some of my chats started buying it and I
1:22:53think bots started to buy it because
1:22:55they like saw that it was like getting
1:22:56movement and it went from it literally
1:22:58got up to $25,000 in value. my my these
1:23:01coins that were sent and my my mod one
1:23:03tap's like, "Bro, I have $25,000 of
1:23:05coins. What the [ __ ] do I do?
1:23:07>> How do I know that
1:23:08>> for your ch uh he's a he he he did a
1:23:11subathon for like eight hours once? You
1:23:13may have been there."
1:23:14>> Definitely not. Did he play Among Us? A
1:23:17lot of Among Us.
1:23:18>> Yes, he did. That's crazy. You remember
1:23:19him from that? Wow, that is [ __ ]
1:23:20>> I played a lot of Among Us during that
1:23:22time. I was like that was the one time I
1:23:23was ever in like a ton of streams. I
1:23:25don't know if anybody watching this
1:23:26remembers that, but like when Train and
1:23:27everybody would play, you probably
1:23:29played in a couple lobbies, but like it
1:23:30was XQC, it was Train, it was like the
1:23:33We played all day every day. It was Five
1:23:35Up and those kids, Harambe and [ __ ]
1:23:38>> So,
1:23:38>> oh yeah. So, yeah, you that was where
1:23:40Wep was. It's crazy to remember that.
1:23:41So, Chompy uh coin blew up and I'm like,
1:23:44I don't know what the [ __ ] to do here.
1:23:46And everyone's like, "Dude, Miz, you're
1:23:47rug pulling." and every I I went uh got
1:23:50some views on Twitter and then uh OneTep
1:23:53gave me the coin, so I just
1:23:55[clears throat] [ __ ] sold it for
1:23:56cash. Obviously, I don't know what the
1:23:57[ __ ] [laughter] do here. I don't I
1:23:59don't I don't give a [ __ ] Like, if
1:24:01you're And I told my chat, I said,
1:24:02"Dude, if you're stupid enough to buy
1:24:03this [ __ ] and you really did this,
1:24:05you're an idiot." And there's 25 grand
1:24:08of mine now that you're an idiot for.
1:24:09And I don't even think my viewers really
1:24:11bought it. I think it was bots that just
1:24:13saw the growth cuz I it was just so
1:24:16dumb. And that's basically it. I didn't
1:24:18I didn't care for the money. I was like,
1:24:19"This is so dumb." Like, uh, so he made
1:24:22me 25 grand pretty quickly. So, shout
1:24:24out to Chompy. Um,
1:24:26>> so you're actually a [ __ ] scammer, by
1:24:27the way. [laughter]
1:24:28>> Yeah. I I
1:24:30>> cuz I've never I've never done anything
1:24:31even remotely close to this and I've
1:24:33been labeled X, Y, and Z. So, you're
1:24:35actually
1:24:37>> I have done I have been called
1:24:38everything at this point besides one
1:24:41thing. And uh I've been called
1:24:43everything under the sun. And I also am
1:24:45a scammer. Yes.
1:24:46>> What's the one thing that you haven't
1:24:47been called?
1:24:48>> It begins with a P. [clears throat]
1:24:51>> Oh man, [laughter] you're really you're
1:24:53really you're really baiting him in.
1:24:54You're really
1:24:55>> I have I have never been called pretty,
1:24:57which sucks because I I actually tape my
1:24:59finest right every day.
1:25:00>> You're gorgeous. Your eyebrows. Show the
1:25:02eyebrows off real quick.
1:25:03>> Get nice and close.
1:25:05>> Bro, does he low-key look like Rasmer?
1:25:07Am I tripping? Am I making that up?
1:25:08>> He's a lot more handsome than Rasmer.
1:25:10And Braz, I love you, but like
1:25:12[laughter]
1:25:13like Miz has a good like Miz is a
1:25:16good-looking kid. You're a good-looking
1:25:17kid, bro. You are.
1:25:18>> That's
1:25:18>> Thank you, man. It's [clears throat]
1:25:19that trauma. Wait, I lost. It's it's the
1:25:21give me numbers.
1:25:22>> You're in good in good shape, but are
1:25:23you becoming more unrelatable because of
1:25:25that?
1:25:26>> Uh I I think my relatability now is
1:25:30>> or is it just about refining and
1:25:31attracting a new audience? Like
1:25:33>> yes, but I think my relatability for
1:25:35sure is my failures because like yes,
1:25:38you're I was if I was successful as a
1:25:40streamer, if everyone loved me, if I was
1:25:42doing really well, my relatability is
1:25:44over. That era is done. I'm too rich. I
1:25:46have too much money. I have I'm like I
1:25:48don't look like [ __ ] anymore. But the
1:25:50fact that I'm I've tumbled so far down,
1:25:52the fact that I've had such hardships
1:25:54and things could not go my way and I've
1:25:56been [ __ ] over, I'm now relatable to
1:25:58the chat. So, I guess that's the one
1:26:00good thing about all this is I'm very
1:26:01relatable to them where it's like, damn,
1:26:03I've been thrown terrible bones and
1:26:05[ __ ] over. But, and now that I'm I'm
1:26:07resilient and I don't give up, that
1:26:09motivates them where it's like, yeah,
1:26:11dude, like he's not giving up. This guy,
1:26:13despite literally being at a 20 v one,
1:26:16is winning the 20 v1 and hasn't given up
1:26:18because he's so resilient. And I think
1:26:20that is the relationship now.
1:26:22>> You should never bet bet against a
1:26:24resilient [ __ ] Like that's a
1:26:26that's a especially one that's been
1:26:28successful through as many metas and
1:26:29errors as you have. And that's how I
1:26:30feel about myself, too. I feel like if
1:26:32you were a [ __ ] chart, I'm buying low
1:26:34on you. I'd [ __ ] slam myself
1:26:36fullporting myself. And um yeah, no,
1:26:39this has been a cool conversation. Z, I
1:26:41want you to get get into the Cerebrus
1:26:43stuff because it it relates back to I
1:26:45think what me and Miz were talking about
1:26:46yesterday. What's your whole thesis on
1:26:47Cerebrus? Why do you think it's
1:26:49>> Yeah. So,
1:26:49>> it's a good interesting play and
1:26:52>> that's the one I'm most excited about
1:26:54you talking about like traditional
1:26:55market.
1:26:55>> Yeah. So, Cerebras is interesting. Um,
1:26:57it's one of the most popular like
1:26:58private AI companies right now. They um
1:27:01are it's a it's
1:27:05um C CBRS is the
1:27:08>> it's not live yet on the thing, but um
1:27:10the so they are a company like one of
1:27:13the most popular private AI companies
1:27:14right now. one the reason they're one of
1:27:16the most popular AI companies right now
1:27:17is so there's training for AI which is
1:27:19like when you're training the new models
1:27:22um teaching them things and and and
1:27:23actually building the models and there's
1:27:25inference. So inference in AI is
1:27:28whenever we go to chat or go to Claude
1:27:30and we ask it something and then we're
1:27:32um trying to get an answer and trying to
1:27:33build something. So that's inference and
1:27:36there are a lot of companies who focus
1:27:38on building um chips that are
1:27:40specifically for inference and are more
1:27:42performant um in that way of computing
1:27:45and Cerebrris is one of the companies
1:27:47that's doing that. So they are
1:27:49reportedly like 50x more performant than
1:27:52Nvidia's um inference. And the way that
1:27:55they do it, they have this like huge
1:27:56chip instead of the a lot of a lot of
1:27:59the um other other semi companies have
1:28:02like smaller GPUs that are all connected
1:28:04together. They have one like really
1:28:05really really big chip. Um and the way
1:28:07they designed it makes them like the
1:28:09best person to go best company to go to
1:28:11for inference. So Open AI is like yeah
1:28:14they're really cool. You look them up.
1:28:15They uh the TBPN guys did a great
1:28:17interview with them, the C the CEO like
1:28:20last September. Um so I just watched
1:28:22that recently. It's really good. Um but
1:28:24yeah, so OpenAI is like using them for
1:28:26all their inference right now and their
1:28:28entire backlog is like 90% open AI. So I
1:28:32think it's like some something crazy
1:28:34like 20 billion of commitments that they
1:28:36have to like basically like yo go build
1:28:38as many of these chips as possible. We
1:28:40will fill whatever you can build as many
1:28:42as you can build them up to like 20
1:28:43billion. and OpenAI is the one
1:28:45supporting that. So this is a really
1:28:47hyped IPO and the reason it's important
1:28:49is because Enthropic as we know is like
1:28:521 trillion valuation. OpenAI is like one
1:28:54trillion valuation. A lot of the other
1:28:56AI companies that are so piv like so
1:28:58integral to this um this bull market you
1:29:01can't get access to. But Cerebris has
1:29:02decided
1:29:03>> they're holding a trillion mark.
1:29:04>> Yeah. So Cerebras is trying to um IPO
1:29:07and they're going they want to IPO I
1:29:09think at like 40 billion. Um
1:29:11>> Jesus Christ.
1:29:12>> Yeah. they um are trying to raise like
1:29:143.6 but it's obviously already overs
1:29:16subscribed. Um and
1:29:18>> can you trade [clears throat] this
1:29:19anywhere right now? Can you trade this
1:29:20on Hyperlid bullpen?
1:29:21>> You can trade it on bullpen. Yeah. So
1:29:23you can trade cerebras on trading.
1:29:24What's the market what's the market cap
1:29:26at?
1:29:26>> Uh I think it's at like 60 billion right
1:29:29now. Um on on bullpen
1:29:32>> and this this next to [ __ ] Nvidia or
1:29:34any of these multi- trillion dollar
1:29:36>> they're calling it the Nvidia killer.
1:29:37That's what they're calling it
1:29:38literally. Like that's what the popular
1:29:40tagline is for them. What?
1:29:42>> Yeah. So, I mean,
1:29:44>> when are they when are they going to
1:29:45IPO?
1:29:46>> Uh, I believe like this definitely this
1:29:48year. Um, I think over like the next few
1:29:50months. So, I know people who are trying
1:29:52to like get in the round to buy like the
1:29:56actual raise that they're doing and I I
1:29:57know people who are buying like through
1:29:58bullpen on Hyperlid. So, Hyperlid,
1:30:01>> you should you and your chat should
1:30:02really look at a Hyperlid and the
1:30:03platform and the product because
1:30:05>> definitely for sure like 100%.
1:30:06>> This will give you guys the option to
1:30:08like Robin Hood. you're confined to
1:30:11what's actually out there in the public,
1:30:13right? Like
1:30:14>> but on Hyperlink, we could literally
1:30:15trade anthropic right now. It's trading
1:30:17at whatever 1.2 trillion. And if you
1:30:20think, you know, that's
1:30:21>> Yeah.
1:30:22>> But it was it was a lot lower, too. Like
1:30:23you could have traded it when it was
1:30:24when it was
1:30:25>> when did they when did they open that
1:30:26market on Hyperlid? And what did it open
1:30:28at on Hyperlid? Do you know?
1:30:29>> I think I want to say it was like around
1:30:32500B, I think.
1:30:33>> Yeah. [ __ ] man. [ __ ] Um but yeah, so
1:30:37like Hyperlquid is interesting because
1:30:39as a decentralized protocol, they allow
1:30:41other people to build on top of them.
1:30:43And so there are other companies that
1:30:45are enabling trading of like these
1:30:47preIPO uh companies and they're just
1:30:50using PERS for them because obviously
1:30:51it's it doesn't trade yet. It's not on
1:30:53the public markets, but people know
1:30:55generally like what it should be valued
1:30:57at. And so the volume that the perp does
1:30:59kind of determines the price and that's
1:31:00why you can trade it now.
1:31:03>> Interesting. Okay. I mean, yeah, I'll
1:31:04look I'll look in the CBRS, so
1:31:05Hyperlquid. I'll look into these things.
1:31:07I I do like your mining one. I think
1:31:08we're going to look into that literally
1:31:10right after the show is uh uh your
1:31:12mining idea because I think mining is
1:31:14something that's very big for all metals
1:31:16uh that are needed.
1:31:17>> So, I think that's a good play. My chat
1:31:19did like that one. Um and we'll we'll
1:31:21get to it. I I I for the sake of what
1:31:23we're doing this content for the stream
1:31:25[ __ ] I'm really trying to like stay
1:31:27away from crypto because I want my chat
1:31:29to understand that you don't need to do
1:31:32crazy play crypto stuff to try to make
1:31:35uh you know a big play. You you could
1:31:37just invest slowly into the market. You
1:31:38can invest in the Googles. You don't
1:31:39need to do wild and insane [ __ ] to
1:31:42really build up money over time for
1:31:43sure.
1:31:44>> And yes, you could cryptos make sense.
1:31:46Even even hyperlquid makes sense but uh
1:31:48I want people to understand that you
1:31:50know uh stocks are very important and
1:31:54you know it's runs it's everything and
1:31:56that they can make money through that as
1:31:57well. Um because I I think right now a
1:32:00lot of people's sentiment for crypto is
1:32:01like it just goes the word scam which it
1:32:04shouldn't in in some ways for some of
1:32:05them like I think Ethereum is great. I
1:32:07think Bitcoin's great. But I think right
1:32:09now the sentiment is why even care about
1:32:11crypto when the stock market's doing so
1:32:13well when you could just invest in
1:32:15Google and make way more money than
1:32:17Bitcoin. I mean, I saw a tweet today
1:32:18that someone said if you invested like
1:32:20when if you were eight if you're 30 and
1:32:22you invested when you were 18, Ethereum
1:32:24if you invested you were at the same
1:32:26amount of money you were uh today or
1:32:29something like that.
1:32:30>> Ethereum's flat over the past five
1:32:31years. I actually said it at the
1:32:32beginning of this episode like stock AI
1:32:34stocks have crushed crypto over the past
1:32:36two years. And I'm I'm a crypto.
1:32:37>> It's crazy to think that, you know, it's
1:32:40literally just flat. Uh it's had its
1:32:41highs and lows, but yeah, it's it's it's
1:32:43nuts.
1:32:44>> Yeah. And I agree with you. I think the
1:32:46way that people should think about
1:32:47investing is it's like you have your
1:32:49high-risisk plays. For some people
1:32:50that's crypto, for some people that's
1:32:52like low cap stocks, for some people
1:32:53that's options, and then you have your
1:32:55like core long-term plays, which is, as
1:32:57you said, like Google, Nvidia, Meta,
1:32:59Microsoft, companies like that. I
1:33:01definitely agree. It's like you have to
1:33:03separate your portfolio into into
1:33:05different buckets. Um, and just like
1:33:07divvy up whatever extra income that you
1:33:09have and kind of deploy it the the
1:33:11proper way. But I agree with you, you
1:33:12definitely should be preaching what you
1:33:13are preaching to them. It's very
1:33:15accurate.
1:33:15>> Yeah. Because I think a lot of viewers
1:33:17who are in their early 20s or 30s,
1:33:19whatever, they've just been told crypto.
1:33:21They've been told, you know, these uh
1:33:23gambling and stuff like that, like
1:33:25really risky things to try to make money
1:33:27quick. They see social media and they're
1:33:28like, "Holy [ __ ] how do I become rich
1:33:30like this guy? How does this guy make
1:33:31some money so much fast?" And a lot of
1:33:33times it's just lies, right? It's it's
1:33:34it's pumpy dumps. It's lies. It's
1:33:36[ __ ] It's things that they can they
1:33:37they they don't own that house. A lot of
1:33:39times I've seen these guys who have
1:33:41these things like I I have this uh you
1:33:44know crypto to get into. I have this uh
1:33:46thing. I make billions of dollars. They
1:33:48rent an Airbnb for a day and pretend
1:33:50it's their house. [laughter] Right. They
1:33:51lie. And because of that Tik Toks on
1:33:54fake jets and [ __ ] like
1:33:56>> Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. And because of that
1:33:58these viewers feel like they're falling
1:33:59so far behind and that they need to do
1:34:02rich money quick [ __ ] So they go to
1:34:04the, you know, crazy gamles that fail. Y
1:34:07>> and I I want them to understand that
1:34:08like yeah, you don't need to do that.
1:34:10You can invest slowly over time.
1:34:11>> This is so unfortunate though, man. We
1:34:13talked about this earlier, Anom, we even
1:34:14made we we we touched on this, Miz, and
1:34:17I think we could probably wrap on this
1:34:18because it's it kind of sums up the
1:34:20entire thing like this entire collab,
1:34:22the show, etc. It's unfortunately in
1:34:25like these mainstream
1:34:27um communities and like I use mainstream
1:34:30loosely like in these streaming
1:34:31communities even which aren't these are
1:34:33people that live on the internet, you
1:34:34know what I They are [ __ ] they are on
1:34:36the internet for a lot lot longer than
1:34:38the average person even and even these
1:34:40people have kind of came to the
1:34:41conclusion that crypto equals scam right
1:34:44and it's like it's unfortunate because
1:34:46there are great products in crypto like
1:34:48hyperl there are great opportunities
1:34:50like your chat yesterday we we brought
1:34:53up Hyperl we brought up Zcash and to
1:34:54watch them spam scam
1:34:56>> it's our fault though like it's crypto
1:34:58people's fault I [laughter]
1:35:00>> I agree I agree but like it's it's like
1:35:02the [ __ ] snake the snake eating its
1:35:04own tail fail situation where it's like,
1:35:05[ __ ] it. What is the how do how do how
1:35:07do we fix it? Like we're sitting here
1:35:09trying to
1:35:10>> Yeah. Sorry, but sorry to cut you off,
1:35:12but you fixed it by highlighting the
1:35:13important projects and highlighting
1:35:14what's doing well and what's innovating.
1:35:16I think that's that's the way cuz it's
1:35:17true. I mean, we said it earlier. It's
1:35:19like 90% of startups fail. Like a lot of
1:35:21VCs make investments that aren't great
1:35:23investments. So, like if you're in a
1:35:24space that's the one of the newest
1:35:27spaces, the most innovative, um you're
1:35:29obviously going to see people try new
1:35:30things that don't work. And you're going
1:35:32to see people um who bad actors come
1:35:34into the space. The thing about crypto,
1:35:36it's permissionless. Um and when you
1:35:38have something that's permissionless and
1:35:39decentralized, obviously it's like you
1:35:41have people are going to take advantage
1:35:42of that. But the same thing that makes
1:35:44Hyperlid such a great platform is the
1:35:46same thing that allows people um to scam
1:35:48in that way. So it's like it's a double
1:35:50>> professionalism because 99% of
1:35:52everything is a [ __ ] scam, right?
1:35:54Like 99% of the [ __ ] the tweets you
1:35:57read are a [ __ ] lie and a [ __ ]
1:35:59scam. It kind of goes hand in the
1:36:01everything. The way that you the viewer
1:36:03and the average person should navigate
1:36:04the internet in general or anything in
1:36:06general is be hyper skeptical and like
1:36:09do deep deep deep research and like come
1:36:12to your own conclusion like use all the
1:36:14tools that you can. That's the [ __ ]
1:36:16thing that bothers me.
1:36:17>> Too much work for them. [laughter]
1:36:19>> They need other people to do it for them
1:36:22>> and people point and [ __ ] blame us.
1:36:24Like I don't know, dude. I I'm so still
1:36:26passionate about crypto and I've just
1:36:28been I feel like I've been in a lot of
1:36:29ways like the baby has been thrown out
1:36:32with the bathwater. Like this [ __ ]
1:36:34scam crypto narrative really bothers me
1:36:36and I like feel like it's part of my
1:36:38[ __ ] purpose and part of my job to
1:36:40like correct that. But then you have
1:36:41like CT who [ __ ] you know what I
1:36:43mean? Freaks out about X Y and Z and
1:36:45it's all it's just like [ __ ] so
1:36:46weird. You know what I'm saying?
1:36:47>> So I I think a big problem with crypto
1:36:49too is not necessarily [clears throat]
1:36:50just the scams. I think it's the people
1:36:52behind the scams that have made people
1:36:54very annoyed because you got like uh
1:36:56crypto bros were a very popular thing,
1:36:58right? Like these guys with backwards
1:37:00hats, they act like douchebags. They're
1:37:01drinking beer all day. You know, they're
1:37:03trying to tell you how to make money.
1:37:04They made a billion dollars this year.
1:37:06They're trying to tell you how to do
1:37:07stuff. They're the ones that were
1:37:08successful and they kind of ruined that
1:37:11feeling. These like chudlike people when
1:37:14now like you want professionalism, you
1:37:16know, you don't see that a lot with
1:37:17crypto. And maybe it's getting better
1:37:18now, but for those eras during COVID and
1:37:21etc., it felt like these people really
1:37:23didn't understand what they were saying.
1:37:24They felt like they were taking
1:37:25advantage of you. And it it it it's what
1:37:28caused that problem. Nowadays, I think
1:37:30like like people love stocks. It's more
1:37:31buttoned up. It's more professional. It
1:37:33feels more professional. It doesn't feel
1:37:35like you're being conned into something.
1:37:37It doesn't feel like you're talking to a
1:37:38guy outside of high school, right? And I
1:37:40think that's why uh they feel that way
1:37:42with crypto. It's it has that same NFT
1:37:44feel, right? Where it's like
1:37:45>> I think it's just much much Z. I think
1:37:47it's much much worse than anybody on CT
1:37:50wants to admit. Like I really think it's
1:37:52like so much worse. Here we are with
1:37:54somebody who's chronically online, Miz
1:37:56Kiff. He understands his the nuances of
1:37:58streaming attention, whatever, his chat,
1:38:00whatever. He's dedicated the next 30
1:38:02days of his to his platform, his content
1:38:04to investing $300,000 into making as
1:38:07much money as possible for his chat.
1:38:09>> Hyperlid is obviously a tool that him
1:38:12and his chat could use for success in
1:38:14this effort. It's absolutely something
1:38:16you should [clears throat] understand
1:38:17and be using. The fact that there's any
1:38:19sort of resistance there and the fact
1:38:20that the door is kind of shut
1:38:22immediately and it's chocked up as we
1:38:23want to stay away from crypto and this
1:38:25is a chat of 6,000 people and a [ __ ]
1:38:28streamer, you know, with an audience of
1:38:29of a lot more than that. It's like
1:38:31that's really [ __ ] bad. It's like the
1:38:34the [ __ ] I don't know.
1:38:36>> Yeah, but just give it time, you know?
1:38:37If if crypto's really not going away for
1:38:38a while, give it a few more years and
1:38:40it'll it'll be okay. But the thing is
1:38:41right now it's like you got, you know,
1:38:43crypto people it's seen as like a an
1:38:45ex-girlfriend that, you know, went
1:38:46crazy. Now you're getting trying to get
1:38:48back together with her. She's like, "Oh,
1:38:49well, you were nuts." You got to show
1:38:51over time that you're not as crazy, you
1:38:53know, and and and then maybe
1:38:55>> how I personally feel about my
1:38:56relationship with crypto. It's crazy
1:38:58that you could say that because it's
1:38:59like a really metaphor. [laughter]
1:39:00>> Who Who do you Who do you think of when
1:39:02you think of crypto, miss? I'm actually
1:39:03interested like who do you what's your
1:39:04like
1:39:05>> next
1:39:06>> like [laughter]
1:39:08>> no but actually like thought leaders and
1:39:10people
1:39:10>> like if you're like crypto who's like
1:39:12the most famous crypto person that you
1:39:14think you would like think of right
1:39:15>> uh who do I who do chat who do you think
1:39:17of when I think of
1:39:19>> I'm curious I think of like Andrew Tate
1:39:23[laughter]
1:39:25>> like just that era
1:39:27>> can we please pull up the [ __ ] back
1:39:30and forth like another example of One is
1:39:33Coffeezilla. Like I think Coffeezilla I
1:39:36think Logan Paul really like
1:39:38[clears throat and cough] the whole
1:39:39Cryptozoo thing really [ __ ] up crypto.
1:39:42Uh that one was one that was really big.
1:39:46>> Dang. He deleted them. [ __ ]
1:39:48>> Oh, he did. [laughter]
1:39:50>> He deleted.
1:39:51>> Share your screen though. Share your
1:39:52screen.
1:39:53>> It's funny you say uh Bro, it's funny
1:39:55you say Andrew Tate because there was a
1:39:58point like last cycle when all the meme
1:40:00[ __ ]
1:40:00>> you broke Matto. [ __ ] I've never seen
1:40:03[laughter] this,
1:40:03>> bro. This is This is a legendary
1:40:05clapback, by the way. Um Yeah, you
1:40:08>> Yeah, this is me. It was me and him were
1:40:10going back and forth. Um
1:40:13he So, yeah. So, when the memecoin [ __ ]
1:40:14was popping off, um Andrew Tate was one
1:40:17of the people obviously was like, "Yo, I
1:40:18can make money doing this. I'm going to
1:40:20do this and get involved with this." And
1:40:21so, like, his team launched a bunch of
1:40:23coins. He supported a bunch of coins. Um
1:40:26and he was going back and forth with me
1:40:27because at the time I was like the
1:40:29Salana memecoin, whatever person. She
1:40:31was like, "Oh, I'm going to stir up [ __ ]
1:40:32with him. If I get like attention from
1:40:34all his followers, I'm going to get more
1:40:36people to buy my coin, X, Y, and Z." So,
1:40:37we had a back and forth. I'm never met
1:40:39this person, by the way. I didn't know
1:40:40him at the time. Uh, never talked to him
1:40:42before any of this, but we like had a
1:40:44period. We were going back and forth
1:40:45like talking [ __ ] to each other online.
1:40:48Um, and I was basically telling him
1:40:49like, "Your coin's going to zero, X, Y,
1:40:51and Z." And he deleted the post. I wish
1:40:54I had what this [ __ ] said because it was
1:40:56it was really funny. I had to reply to
1:40:58it cuz we were just like arguing. Um,
1:41:00but at the time he was getting on me for
1:41:02boxing because I did some like celebrity
1:41:04boxing. Got my ass beat bad like
1:41:06publicly in front of a lot of people and
1:41:08he was like saying I can't fight and all
1:41:10this other [ __ ] Um, but yeah, we've had
1:41:12our our back and forth. So, it's funny
1:41:14that you say Andrew Tate. At the time it
1:41:15was like CT was on my side and they were
1:41:18like [ __ ] him. We don't want anything to
1:41:19do with his coins. Miss Anom for a while
1:41:22was like the [ __ ] main character of
1:41:25crypto and he was like the [ __ ]
1:41:27connector and and the point of contact
1:41:29and like the bridge in for all these
1:41:30celebrities like
1:41:32>> I witnessed this live happen by the way
1:41:34[laughter] and me and Z have been
1:41:36friends for years.
1:41:37>> Who's the most famous person you know
1:41:38then?
1:41:39>> Way before the show. I mean in CT maybe.
1:41:41Maybe. Um for sure.
1:41:43>> Wait. Say who's the most say who's the
1:41:44most famous person? I know.
1:41:45>> Most famous person. Yeah. Yeah.
1:41:47>> Did I I know that I met Yeah. I mean, I
1:41:50Yeah, I have met Kanye. I did talk to
1:41:52Kanye.
1:41:52>> I was just about to bring this up. I
1:41:54witnessed this live, Miz. We're on
1:41:56Rodeo. Um I think you're still dating
1:41:59the same girl at the time, right? This
1:42:00is like the first day that you were ever
1:42:02with her. This was a [ __ ] pretty
1:42:03pivotal crazy weird day. [laughter]
1:42:05We're on Rodeo. We're in one of the
1:42:07stores and um everyone starts spamming
1:42:10like our phones and stuff and Twitter's
1:42:11blowing up. CT's blowing up and it's
1:42:13like, "Yo, Kanye just tweeted about
1:42:14you." And Kanye's like live tweeting
1:42:16like, "Yo, Anom, hit me up like, "Yo,
1:42:18Anom, pull up on me." Like [ __ ] like
1:42:19that. Like, and everyone's like, "What
1:42:21the fuck?" Like, and you did. You pulled
1:42:23up on him. You you linked him.
1:42:25>> Yeah. But I mean, that was the when we
1:42:27were on Rodeo, that was when I was
1:42:28already out there. He was tweeting the
1:42:30video of us talking back and forth to
1:42:31each other.
1:42:32>> Oh, that's what it was.
1:42:33>> Yeah. He was texting me like, "Yo, what
1:42:35should the caption be for?" And then he
1:42:36tweeted the video cuz he cuz he like had
1:42:39asked me to come out and talk to him
1:42:40about crypto and like teach him about
1:42:42crypto, what he should do, what he
1:42:43shouldn't do. While that's why I was
1:42:45actually in LA, that's why I was out
1:42:46there. Um, yeah, that was a crazy week.
1:42:48That was a That was a crazy week.
1:42:50>> Unfortunately, he did not listen to what
1:42:52the advice that I gave him, [laughter]
1:42:53but that's another that's another uh
1:42:57story. But yeah, I mean, [ __ ] 2024
1:43:00was weird for me.
1:43:01>> Yeah, I'm a big cond.
1:43:03>> Yeah, he's great. It's super,
1:43:05>> too. I think he's one of the greatest
1:43:06artists of all time.
1:43:07>> Yeah. [snorts]
1:43:08>> Yeah. Yeah. The greatest artist of all
1:43:10time.
1:43:10>> Um, that's crazy, dude. I mean, you you
1:43:12sound like you've met I mean, I've I
1:43:14think the most famous person I've met is
1:43:16uh Banks, probably. I mean, honestly, I
1:43:17don't really know famous people. I know
1:43:19like
1:43:19>> [laughter]
1:43:19>> uh yeah, I don't I don't really have I
1:43:22don't have that kind of uh ability. Um I
1:43:25typed in Nen Ross' chat one time and he
1:43:26responded, so that was pretty cool. Um
1:43:29>> Oh, no. Yeah, I I I know and I know Mark
1:43:31Zuckerberg.
1:43:32>> My favorite famous person is Saquon.
1:43:34Saquon's the goat. Saquon Barkley.
1:43:36>> SP's the goat. He is. He is. He's a He's
1:43:39a good guy.
1:43:40>> He's a good guy.
1:43:40>> Yeah. I mean, it sounds like you're
1:43:42you're listen I I followed you on
1:43:43Twitter, too. If you if you ever want to
1:43:44come on stream and talk like uh if you
1:43:47have ideas,
1:43:47>> you guys should, bro. You guys really
1:43:48should. And I told I g I threw floated a
1:43:51couple other names at you, too. And I
1:43:52would trust Anom more with this, but he
1:43:54could put you in touch with and in in
1:43:56contact with people who um love to talk
1:43:59more to you about this [ __ ] or accounts
1:44:00to follow or whatever. Like,
1:44:02>> yeah. And also like there's there's a
1:44:04ton of I don't want to say like crypto
1:44:05does have a bad reputation, but there's
1:44:06also a lot of really reputable people in
1:44:08crypto. They're just like not as well
1:44:10known as the people doing the bad
1:44:12things. That's the [ __ ] up part about
1:44:13crypto. It's like the people who are
1:44:15very good at marketing and like very
1:44:17good at attracting attention to
1:44:18themselves are usually the worst people.
1:44:20And there's a lot of good people who
1:44:22have like the core tenants of crypto at
1:44:24heart and are great evangelists of the
1:44:25technology that people don't really know
1:44:27about or get to talk to. So like if you
1:44:28ever want to talk to those people, I can
1:44:30bring you put you in touch with those
1:44:31people as well. Um there's a lot of
1:44:33really great people in crypto for sure.
1:44:35>> You get me in touch with Kanye?
1:44:37[laughter] I I don't know about that
1:44:39one, bro. I don't know how close we are.
1:44:42>> Does he Does he want to Does he want to
1:44:43invest and see if he can beat my chat?
1:44:46>> Maybe. [laughter]
1:44:47>> I think Miz, we're going to probably
1:44:48have to have a followup next week. I
1:44:50think
1:44:51>> I'm down to pull up for sure, though.
1:44:52I'm I'm down to come on.
1:44:53>> Miz, if you're down if you're down, I
1:44:55think you should pop in for at least a
1:44:56little 15inute window for the rest of
1:44:58the month,
1:44:59>> next episode, and and the two following
1:45:01that, and we can kind of follow you on
1:45:02your journey and and um
1:45:05>> follow up this conversation. It makes
1:45:06sense. It's totally in line with what
1:45:07we're doing and what we're about. Um,
1:45:09this is a really interesting
1:45:10conversation. I think it was
1:45:12>> this was [ __ ] sick.
1:45:13>> It was cool to watch you guys go back
1:45:14and forth. It was cool to watch you Z
1:45:16kind of download all the information in
1:45:18real time around like the streaming
1:45:19[ __ ] the nuances of that. Um,
1:45:21>> yeah, best of luck to you and your chat
1:45:23as far as this [ __ ] challenge goes. I
1:45:25think what you're doing is great. I
1:45:26think it's God's work. Yeah.
1:45:28>> Um, and we relate on a lot of things and
1:45:30I I appreciate you. I appreciate your
1:45:31resilience. Don't give up. Keep pushing
1:45:33forward. just be the best you you can be
1:45:34and everything else will work out. Cream
1:45:36rises to the top, baby.
1:45:38>> We we have a very similar uh path, but I
1:45:41one thing I know is that it's a path.
1:45:43It's [snorts] not it's not the end. You
1:45:44know, we we [clears throat] we're
1:45:44resilient. We work hard. And you know,
1:45:46I've I I think now I've got good people
1:45:48in my corner, which is basically just my
1:45:50cat. And now I' I'll be good to go. But
1:45:53>> Asian girls that are tied up in in the
1:45:55closet. [laughter]
1:45:57>> Um well,
1:45:58>> such a weird scene, bro. You're such a
1:46:00weird person.
1:46:00>> I feel like you're making that up, bro.
1:46:02I don't see them. They're not on They're
1:46:03not on stream. I don't see them.
1:46:04>> They were there yesterday. He might have
1:46:05cleaned up. The maids might the maids
1:46:07might have came this morning. [laughter]
1:46:08I don't know.
1:46:09>> Well, they they are the maids. One
1:46:10sleeps on my couch. She's actually a
1:46:12very successful person in K-pop. Uh we
1:46:14just met watching uh Grace Anatomy with
1:46:17each other one day.
1:46:18>> Uh be Yeah, that's a Bulbasaur.
1:46:21>> And then um we have a there was a mil in
1:46:24my bed who slept over. Um
1:46:27yeah, it's you know,
1:46:30>> they were all Asian. You definitely have
1:46:32a type. Definitely have a type.
1:46:34>> No, I don't. It's just how the road It's
1:46:36just where the road takes you. I
1:46:37actually like Latinos the most, but um
1:46:39we can talk about that next podcast.
1:46:41>> Yeah, we'll talk about that next show.
1:46:42Thank you, Miz Miz's chat. You guys were
1:46:44good to me yesterday and it was really
1:46:45really fun. And um this is great.
1:46:48>> Thank you so much.
1:46:49>> Thank you, bro. Uh if I I linked up with
1:46:51you. Uh if you're in Faze Bank's chat,
1:46:53if you want to watch me whenever he's
1:46:55not streaming, I'm I'm on kick. I I'm
1:46:57doing this uh every single day. We're a
1:46:59very active community. We're we're
1:47:00constantly trading. So, if you guys want
1:47:02to come over here and watch uh make some
1:47:04money yourself, we're we're here.
1:47:06>> And Ms. chat, I know at least a few of
1:47:08you guys like me. So, maybe follow me in
1:47:10in these episodes that we do and support
1:47:12this spam channel
1:47:14>> and um [ __ ] follow me on this. I need
1:47:16I need I need people on this side. I
1:47:19appreciate you guys and and we're kind
1:47:20of all interested in the same type of
1:47:22[ __ ] Um appreciate you, Miz. Love,
1:47:24brother.
1:47:24>> Love. Thank you for show.
1:47:26>> No problem. Peace out, guys. And thank
1:47:28you for everything. legs.

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