How James Dooley Starts a New SEO Site (650 Industries Deep) — Transcript

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1. 0:00This is how James Dooley starts a new
2. 0:02SEO site. How he thinks about using
3. 0:04fresh versus aged domains, how he even
4. 0:07evaluates aged domains, how he builds
5. 0:10local lead generation sites, and his
6. 0:12approach to content and brand building.
7. 0:14And I got to give some background before
8. 0:16we jump into this episode. This episode
9. 0:18was recorded a week ago, and then 17
10. 0:21minutes into the recording, David Quaid
11. 0:24called. And that turned into me, James
12. 0:27Dooley, and David Quaid doing this epic
13. 0:303-hour episode, which dropped last week.
14. 0:33But this one-on-one with James was so
15. 0:36valuable. I'm like, "We can't lose this.
16. 0:37We got to We got to use this." And so,
17. 0:39that's what you're getting on this
18. 0:40episode. Let's jump into it.
19. 0:43>> We're doing a short a short episode
20. 0:44today with Mr. James Dooley. And James
21. 0:47has been one of the leaders in SEO for
22. 0:50the last, I don't know, long long long
23. 0:52long time. Uh James, thank you for
24. 0:53coming back on the pod. This is what
25. 0:55we're doing. I want to know how James
26. 0:58Dooley starts a new website.
27. 1:01I have like so many listeners of the
28. 1:03podcast, they have established websites,
29. 1:04but they want to start their own
30. 1:05websites. Maybe it's an exact match
31. 1:07domain. Maybe it's just a new project
32. 1:09that they want to do. How do I start
33. 1:11with SEO? Very common question. And so,
34. 1:13I'm asking James Dooley, how do you
35. 1:16start? What do you do when you start a
36. 1:18new website?
37. 1:20>> I need a little bit more context around
38. 1:22the new website. So, is it um a local
39. 1:24lead generation website? Is it an
40. 1:26affiliate website? Like, how how
41. 1:28competitive? Cuz what I'm not willing to
42. 1:30do is go and do, let's say, an exact
43. 1:32match domain um if it's going to be in
44. 1:34finance. I'm probably going to need to
45. 1:36go and buy an aged domain or an expired
46. 1:38domain that's already got some sort of
47. 1:40power and trust. So, give me a little
48. 1:42bit more context, and then we can work
49. 1:44out or we can do two different
50. 1:45scenarios. One easy to rank for, and one
51. 1:48where it's a little bit more
52. 1:49competitive, and I might need to get
53. 1:51some sort of power to start with.
54. 1:53>> How come you wouldn't do an EMD in
55. 1:54finance?
56. 1:56>> You Well, you can do. You can go after
57. 1:57the long tails. But it depends on how
58. 2:00big you're wanting to go after. So we've
59. 2:02got a lot of partial match and exact
60. 2:04match domains like micro sites going
61. 2:07after a very very specific long tail
62. 2:09keyword.
63. 2:10So prime example, let's say in the debt
64. 2:12market, we might go after catalog debt.
65. 2:16And it's only people that's in debt with
66. 2:17a specific catalog like Littlewoods
67. 2:19catalog. And we can say, "Look, we can
68. 2:21help with your repayments for the debt."
69. 2:24You might get paid 500 commission in the
70. 2:27UK for that. So for that, okay, we could
71. 2:29do it if it's a very specific type of
72. 2:32debt on an exact match domain. But if
73. 2:35you're going to try and go after the
74. 2:37insolvency practitioners within the debt
75. 2:39industry, they've all got DR 70 plus
76. 2:42websites.
77. 2:44So you're going to need to build up
78. 2:46topical authority. It's going to take a
79. 2:48while.
80. 2:49Probably going to take four or five
81. 2:50months before you can really start to
82. 2:52get some sort of traction with regards
83. 2:55to rankings. So I mean, we can
84. 2:59role play finance if you want or we can
85. 3:01role play an easier. Which whichever one
86. 3:03you want to do.
87. 3:04>> I think interesting question is you are
88. 3:07active. You have like so many different
89. 3:08businesses. What niches are you in?
90. 3:11>> Well, good question. We're in over 650
91. 3:14different industries. So
92. 3:17>> How do you How do you How do you have
93. 3:18time to go on podcasts, James?
94. 3:20>> It's not really much to be honest with
95. 3:22you. Like my my day-to-day isn't My
96. 3:24day-to-day is doing stuff like this.
97. 3:27I've kind of give up my own I've give up
98. 3:29I've created my own role called head of
99. 3:31innovation.
100. 3:32So I'm I'm building my personal brand
101. 3:35and head of innovation.
102. 3:36The team and this is a bit boring to be
103. 3:39honest with you, but like the team run
104. 3:40everything now. So and we've got
105. 3:42different industries and different
106. 3:44departments that kind of run the
107. 3:45day-to-day.
108. 3:47So we've got like an ideation team who
109. 3:49might be going and engineering places
110. 3:51like Bark, Checkatrade, Yell,
111. 3:55um or maybe going on to like places like
112. 3:56SEMrush or Ahrefs, going looking at the
113. 3:59search volume versus the cost per click
114. 4:03and seeing what industries that we're
115. 4:04not in that could be worth entering from
116. 4:08a there's enough search volume and
117. 4:09there's enough sort of
118. 4:11CPC like cost per click demand for it to
119. 4:13go, "Okay, we think this could be worth
120. 4:15it." Also, like one we didn't head out
121. 4:19we never started to enter 650
122. 4:21industries. So, initially we was just
123. 4:24like by the shoulder niches like we
124. 4:26started working in finance then we got
125. 4:27referred to payday loans, we got
126. 4:29referred to debt, we got referred to car
127. 4:31finance, we got referred to mortgages,
128. 4:33and so on and so on. So, we just within
129. 4:36kind of um
130. 4:37the finance sector you get referred into
131. 4:39other markets. Then you've got pensions,
132. 4:42then you've got retirement mortgages,
133. 4:44um and then they then start referring
134. 4:46you into other markets as well kind of
135. 4:48like life insurance, wills and LPAs.
136. 4:51Now, they're more lawyers, so then you
137. 4:53get into the law the law firm market and
138. 4:55then they start going all personal
139. 4:56injury, motorbike accident claims,
140. 4:58bicycle claims, dog bite claims. So,
141. 5:01it's just one thing leads on to another.
142. 5:03Um then you've got like director
143. 5:05disputes, and then you then start going
144. 5:07down that road then of like investing in
145. 5:10businesses.
146. 5:11Um
147. 5:12and then it then starts going from
148. 5:13plumbing to electricians to what people
149. 5:16need on an extension of a website of a
150. 5:18um house. So, like roofing, plastering.
151. 5:22And yeah, it just kind of it just ends
152. 5:24up you end up going into so many
153. 5:26different in but it's all lead
154. 5:27generation, so it's not like we're
155. 5:29providing a different service. It's just
156. 5:31every single time it's lead generation.
157. 5:34Um we've got a rinse and repeat strategy
158. 5:36here
159. 5:37depending on how difficult the market
160. 5:39is. So, this is what I was saying like
161. 5:40if it's in the finance and we think it's
162. 5:41difficult, we'd go and buy like an aged
163. 5:43domains from ODYS or from Cal at
164. 5:46SEO.domains cuz that's already got maybe
165. 5:49a thousand referring domains in some
166. 5:50sort of trust.
167. 5:52Um there's certain places still like
168. 5:53Flippa and places like that where you
169. 5:55can buy a domain for that's already got
170. 5:57some sort of rankings and traffic but
171. 6:00they're struggling to monetize it and
172. 6:02then you can take that site over and
173. 6:04improve the conversion rate
174. 6:05optimization, republish content that's
175. 6:08not indexed or repurpose somewhere
176. 6:11you're thinking, "Do you know what? I
177. 6:12can improve upon this content or what
178. 6:14you have." There's any gaps in the
179. 6:16content from a topical authority we can
180. 6:18build that out and then start
181. 6:20strengthening up certain categories with
182. 6:22more backlinks.
183. 6:23>> This method of marketing is so effective
184. 6:25I had to make sure it wasn't against
185. 6:26Google's rules before I kept doing it.
186. 6:28It's a form of S E O I call compact
187. 6:31keywords. Whereas most S E O focuses on
188. 6:33putting up articles to answer questions
189. 6:35how, what, when, compact keywords
190. 6:38focuses on putting up dozens of pages
191. 6:40that sell to searchers who are actually
192. 6:42looking to buy. These pages rank on
193. 6:45Google and convert so much better than
194. 6:47normal that when I discovered this years
195. 6:49ago I couldn't believe this was allowed.
196. 6:51It's less work too. The average compact
197. 6:54keywords page is only 415 words. Compact
198. 6:58keywords is a 13-hour deep course on
199. 7:00getting sales with S E O. A customer
200. 7:03recently said, "Each lesson is dense
201. 7:05with information. You're giving years
202. 7:08worth of experience boiled down into 15
203. 7:10to 30-minute lessons with no filler or
204. 7:13fluff. I feel like I'm gaining a new
205. 7:15superpower." Compact keywords is about
206. 7:17setting up an S E O funnel that brings
207. 7:19you sales for years and years and years.
208. 7:22It works with A I, it's less work than
209. 7:24traditional S E O, and it makes way more
210. 7:28money. You can get it now at
211. 7:29compactkeywords.com.
212. 7:31Back to the podcast. What do you look
213. 7:33for when you buy an aged domain and what
214. 7:35do you think the biggest mistakes people
215. 7:37make are when they try to do it? Like if
216. 7:38they like
217. 7:40the newbies when the newbies are buying
218. 7:41an aged domain they've never bought an
219. 7:43aged domain before, like what mistakes
220. 7:45do they make and what do you do really
221. 7:46well?
222. 7:47>> So, you know what, that's a brilliant
223. 7:49question to ask because there's so many
224. 7:50people that do do it wrong. Um,
225. 7:53and the reason why they do it wrong is a
226. 7:54lot of people are obsessed, and this is
227. 7:56the exact same thing with buying
228. 7:57backlinks. They're obsessed with DR, and
229. 8:01the the point is a lot of these people
230. 8:02that are selling on places like Flippa,
231. 8:04or they're selling backlinks, for
232. 8:05example, as well. They're manipulating
233. 8:08the DR, so it looks great from a Ahrefs
234. 8:12kind of domain authority point of view,
235. 8:15but actually it's it's terrible. It's
236. 8:17not It's They're not a good site. Um, we
237. 8:20want trust. Um, so we're looking at
238. 8:22certain things like does it have a
239. 8:24Google Business Profile?
240. 8:26Um, are they attached cuz that that
241. 8:27means that it's got a KGMID for the
242. 8:29location.
243. 8:30Um, does it have any sort of branded
244. 8:32search? Is the backlink profile Is it
245. 8:35that the backlink profile looks clean?
246. 8:37So, there's not loads of exact match
247. 8:38domains and stuff like that. Any Chinese
248. 8:40or porn anchor text and stuff like that.
249. 8:43Um, so we're looking for a clean anchor
250. 8:45text. Have they got a Google Business
251. 8:47Profile?
252. 8:47>> let's let's let's pause for a second.
253. 8:49You're looking at the backlink profile,
254. 8:50but if there's like a ton of backlinks,
255. 8:52then are you looking through everyone?
256. 8:54Are you just exporting a CSV and giving
257. 8:57it to an LLM? How are you going through
258. 8:59like tons of backlinks to look for shady
259. 9:01backlinks? And how many How many
260. 9:03backlinks is too many shady backlinks?
261. 9:05>> So, um, that's a good question overall
262. 9:07cuz obviously it it The answer is it
263. 9:09depends. Um, but we use every I'm one of
264. 9:13them kind of people that I use every
265. 9:15platform possible, and we get We've got
266. 9:17three data scientists in house. So, when
267. 9:19they're looking at something, we we
268. 9:20export all the information that we can.
269. 9:22So, we've got Trust Flow and Citation
270. 9:24Flow from Majestic. We've got We still
271. 9:27actually use, even though it's a very
272. 9:28old school method, um, Moz for DA and
273. 9:31PA. We'll use SEMrush with regards to
274. 9:34the spam score. We'll use Ahrefs for DR
275. 9:38and UR, and then we'll use link research
276. 9:40tools for
277. 9:42um the
278. 9:43I think it's trust, power, trust, and
279. 9:45toxicity.
280. 9:46And we're going to get all the
281. 9:47information, we'll put it all back
282. 9:48together, and then generally speaking
283. 9:50with regards to looking at the
284. 9:51backlinks, it's just looking at the
285. 9:53anchor text percentages. So, we're
286. 9:56looking to make certain that
287. 9:58ideally in the top three or four anchors
288. 10:01is the branded anchors and naked URL.
289. 10:03And if it's not and there's loads of
290. 10:05like random anchors,
291. 10:07we might be scared away from doing that.
292. 10:09However,
293. 10:11and this is a little shady technique
294. 10:12that some people are doing.
295. 10:14>> Let's go.
296. 10:14>> Some people are
297. 10:16um
298. 10:17getting sites put being posted on
299. 10:19Flippa, and then what people doing is
300. 10:21people are going to spamming it with GSA
301. 10:23and doing like porn links.
302. 10:25But what they're actually doing is
303. 10:26they're spoofing um the links of what's
304. 10:29coming through, or they can remove the
305. 10:31links at any point. So, even So, then as
306. 10:33people are posting it, they're wanting
307. 10:35them to buy it. They're spamming the
308. 10:37backlink profile, then saying, "Oh, I
309. 10:39don't want to get it." this thing, and
310. 10:40then negotiating rates to be cheaper.
311. 10:43And some people are posting websites for
312. 10:4530, 40,000 pounds, and they're ending up
313. 10:47getting it for so much cheaper.
314. 10:49Um
315. 10:50The issue with it I've always thought of
316. 10:52when you are sending some sort of spammy
317. 10:54links to a domain to then try and buy
318. 10:56it, and then you're having them to
319. 10:57remove it, it's just like, is there any
320. 10:59sort of footprint being done there? Any
321. 11:01sort of like it's just a shady
322. 11:03technique that we don't really do. But
323. 11:05there's that many domains available to
324. 11:07purchase.
325. 11:09Like the ones it's easy going, "Oh, we
326. 11:11want a DR 60 that's got high trust,
327. 11:13that's got power, that's got a um a
328. 11:16Wikipedia link, that's got BBC and
329. 11:18Telegraph links, and it's got a Google
330. 11:20Business Profile." But the truth of the
331. 11:22matter is them websites are going for 80
332. 11:24to 100,000 pounds. So, at that point
333. 11:27you're going, "Well,
334. 11:28you're you're paying for what you get."
335. 11:30Sometimes you can buy
336. 11:31>> 80
337. 11:32to 100,000 pounds for Yeah, yeah, yeah.
338. 11:34For for some
339. 11:35I mean in the iGaming space people are
340. 11:37buying them up left, right, and center.
341. 11:38They're going doing it. They're turning
342. 11:39it into a casino site, and they're
343. 11:41earning back that back in a single day.
344. 11:43Like in some of the non-licensed casino
345. 11:46markets, you can earn easily over a
346. 11:49million in a month.
347. 11:51So there's some serious money to be
348. 11:52made, and a lot of these sites, big, big
349. 11:55brands that are dropping, they're
350. 11:57spending good money on that. You used to
351. 11:59be able to pick them up for about 10 to
352. 12:0020,000, but now they're like 10 times
353. 12:03the price, mainly because of the iGaming
354. 12:05space, if I'm being honest with you.
355. 12:07>> When you when you buy a domain for
356. 12:09100,000 pounds and and you're turning it
357. 12:11into
358. 12:13uh into an iGaming site, and it wasn't
359. 12:15an iGaming site, how how long is it is
360. 12:18that going to take to get the benefits
361. 12:21that you want to actually start like
362. 12:23making money, and then how long will
363. 12:24that last for before it's just
364. 12:26>> no, normally it takes about 48 hours to
365. 12:28get the rankings. Um and normally it
366. 12:32lasts for about 6 to 8 weeks.
367. 12:35Um now
368. 12:37it's a very churn and burn market cuz
369. 12:39they're normally doing it in the
370. 12:40non-licensed markets. Um so what they'll
371. 12:43do is they'll go and buy any any domain.
372. 12:45It could be a butcher's website selling
373. 12:46meat. It's just not relevant whatsoever,
374. 12:49or it could be um a cafe, hotel. They go
375. 12:52and buy this domain. They're going to do
376. 12:54like something like depending on the how
377. 12:56many existing links they have, but
378. 12:58normally around 5,000 blog roll links,
379. 13:01which are like PBN homepage links, to
380. 13:03restructure the anchor text ratios to be
381. 13:06about casino, slots, sports betting, and
382. 13:09stuff like that. Um and then from there
383. 13:11then they'll hit virality that comes
384. 13:14through to it, and then it's normally
385. 13:16enough cuz normally the the trust and
386. 13:18the brand of the old domain just allows
387. 13:21it to come in and rank. The issue is
388. 13:23then normally within a couple of weeks
389. 13:24when it's you're for big terms, you get
390. 13:26in DMCA takedowns, negative SEO, uh um
391. 13:30you get so many different attacks um
392. 13:32from that. And that's another reason why
393. 13:33we we're moving out from iGaming, if I'm
394. 13:36being honest with you, um just because
395. 13:38of the negative kind of SEO that goes on
396. 13:41within that.
397. 13:41>> Just what you said last time, it's not
398. 13:42fun. It just stopped being fun.
399. 13:44>> Yeah, stopped fun, yeah. But in a in a
400. 13:46local, you can like you can make an EMD
401. 13:49within a week easily.
402. 13:50Um
403. 13:51so,
404. 13:52doing um good quality content, so you
405. 13:55might only need 50 pages. Um so, it
406. 13:58could be the main service of what you're
407. 13:59doing 50 locations in a local area. Um
408. 14:03if you're getting it with where it's a
409. 14:04domain that's got an existing Google
410. 14:06Business Profile, that's even better
411. 14:09um because there's a little bit more
412. 14:11trust behind it. Um
413. 14:13and yeah, you can then start getting
414. 14:14that to earn,
415. 14:16let's say, 3 to 500 pounds a month,
416. 14:18start reinvesting that, building out
417. 14:20second websites, third websites,
418. 14:22building out some of the micro sites,
419. 14:24and then in time start to think,
420. 14:26"Actually, do you know what? This client
421. 14:27pays nicely. I'm going to start building
422. 14:29out some
423. 14:30bigger, more brandable kind of sites
424. 14:33that might go after multiple multiple
425. 14:35services of what they do."
426. 14:37>> What does good quality content mean?
427. 14:39That's something that a lot of people in
428. 14:40SEO wonder themselves.
429. 14:42>> Well, do you know what? Like, this is
430. 14:44going to be a good debate for if you
431. 14:46ever jump on a podcast with David Kwei.
432. 14:48>> If we ever can get you and David Kwei on
433. 14:50a podcast together, that would be so
434. 14:52epic.
435. 14:53100 100% yeah.
436. 14:55>> So, there is obviously a lot of kind of
437. 14:58debate within the industry of what is
438. 15:00good quality content. I I've seen pages
439. 15:03rank with two or three sentences.
440. 15:05Um and as long as it's kind of meeting
441. 15:07the exact intent of what the question is
442. 15:09of the H1, within two or three
443. 15:11sentences, it's good enough to rank.
444. 15:13Now, some people, the Google parrots of
445. 15:15the world, would turn around and say
446. 15:16that's thin content, you can't do that,
447. 15:18and you're going to get penalized.
448. 15:20Well, I've seen it happening for 15
449. 15:21years and still not being penalized. So,
450. 15:24to those people, it's just like it's
451. 15:26fine what you say, but you've got to
452. 15:28look at what's actually happening. Now,
453. 15:30would I recommend go doing 5,000 pages
454. 15:33all with less than 50 words of content?
455. 15:36No, I wouldn't. Like, I In an ideal
456. 15:38world, if someone wants a plumber in
457. 15:40Manchester, you've got to think to
458. 15:42yourself, what questions might they
459. 15:44have? And that plumber in Man- is
460. 15:46looking for a plumber in Manchester,
461. 15:47they might want to know how much is it?
462. 15:49How fast can you come out and call out?
463. 15:52What services do you offer? And they
464. 15:54might want to know specific questions.
465. 15:55So, all you've got to try to do is think
466. 15:58of the user. I'm going to sound very
467. 16:00white out here, but think of the user,
468. 16:03think about what they want and what
469. 16:04questions they might have, and answer it
470. 16:07in a short, concise manner that you're
471. 16:09not playing hide-and-seek with your
472. 16:11content. Where I think a lot of people
473. 16:12in the SEO industry used to do
474. 16:155, 6, 7,000 words of content and play
475. 16:18hide-and-seek with the content. And
476. 16:20someone was asking a question, and it
477. 16:22was the 15th page to the back.
478. 16:23>> crazy. Why were we doing that? Why was
479. 16:25the industry doing that?
480. 16:27>> Mental, mental. Um So, I'd say it needs
481. 16:31to be The best bit of advice I can say
482. 16:33is and this is a great saying. It needs
483. 16:36to be as short as possible,
484. 16:39but as long as necessary. And I think
485. 16:41remove all the fluff, make it as concise
486. 16:43as possible, giving him the answers of
487. 16:46what they want, but try and make certain
488. 16:48you are covering all the different
489. 16:49answers that they might want to know.
490. 16:52>> You were talking about having brandable
491. 16:56like uh brandable sites, brandable
492. 16:58businesses that can Yeah, so what what
493. 17:00is what does that mean? Like a brandable
494. 17:01site, a brandable business?
495. 17:03>> So, brandable business, I would then
496. 17:04start going down the road of there's
497. 17:06going to be a lot of off-page signals of
498. 17:08what's going to start coming along. So,
499. 17:09I need to make certain that I'm getting
500. 17:10the um the citations being built out on
501. 17:13the main maybe like 20 to 50 citations.
502. 17:16So, the main business listings, trying
503. 17:18to make sure that I'm getting like a
504. 17:19Trustpilot
505. 17:21and making sure that I'm getting like a
506. 17:22Yelp and these places where I can leave
507. 17:24reviews on third-party sources. Try and
508. 17:26get a Google Business Profile where I
509. 17:28can get reviews put onto there. I'm
510. 17:30going to build up a lot of case studies.
511. 17:33Um I'm going to try and make it an
512. 17:34award-winning brand. So, I'm going to
513. 17:36say, "Okay, what awards are being given
514. 17:38out in this industry? How do I win them
515. 17:40awards?" and apply to win those awards.
516. 17:43Because now I can then start saying I'm
517. 17:45an award-winning. As I win that award,
518. 17:47I'm going to share that out on all my
519. 17:49social media. So, I'll go and do what's
520. 17:51called a branded social fortress. Um so,
521. 17:54that's like a Twitter, a Facebook, a
522. 17:55LinkedIn,
523. 17:57um a Flickr, all the Web 2.0 properties.
524. 18:00And now with AI, especially if you've
525. 18:02got any autonomous AI agents, it's never
526. 18:05been easier to get an award that you've
527. 18:08won, get two or three photos if you like
528. 18:10you're holding the trophy, turn that
529. 18:12into a video, create a few images get a
530. 18:15few images of it, and then just
531. 18:17distribute it everywhere. And and that
532. 18:20one award that you've won could be
533. 18:21distributed and it could be 50 articles
534. 18:25now, if not more with the press release,
535. 18:27that's syndicate syndicating everything
536. 18:29out that now you're an award-winning
537. 18:31business. You've got the reviews
538. 18:33um and you're building up the the kind
539. 18:36of
540. 18:36firsthand experience
541. 18:39and the reputation. Now, this is where I
542. 18:42This is where I would challenge and this
543. 18:44is where it's going to be fun
544. 18:46David Quaid about EEAT, right? Now,
545. 18:50>> David was just calling me. Funny That is
546. 18:52crazy. David was literally just calling
547. 18:54me as you were as you were saying that.
548. 18:56He literally just called me. Was he
549. 18:58nervous? Yeah, let me let me call let me
550. 19:00call him and put him on on speaker.
551. 19:02Yeah, I'm going to I'm going to do I'm
552. 19:04going to just have him come through my
553. 19:05my my mic.
554. 19:07>> Yeah.
555. 19:07>> All right, here we go. Can you hear?
556. 19:09>> Yeah, yeah.
557. 19:12>> Hey, how are you?
558. 19:13>> All right, if you haven't checked out
559. 19:14that episode with David Quaid, it is so
560. 19:17good. People are loving it. Episode
561. 19:191,131
562. 19:21of the show, James Dooley and David
563. 19:23Quaid, the SEO best practices we ignore.
564. 19:26Again, that is an epic episode. I would
565. 19:29very highly recommend it. And this one
566. 19:31is episode 1,138
567. 19:33of the podcast. 1,138
568. 19:36days in a row doing this show. If you
569. 19:38watch this on YouTube, thank you so much
570. 19:40for watching. If you listened on Spotify
571. 19:42or Apple Podcasts, thank you so much for
572. 19:44listening. And I will talk to you again
573. 19:48tomorrow. Bye now.