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  1. 0:00Cold cases can sit on shelves for years
  2. 0:02without answers, [music] but sometimes
  3. 0:04all it takes is a set of fresh eyes to
  4. 0:06find something that no one else could
  5. 0:08see. [music] And in today's story, that
  6. 0:10fresh look came from a group of high
  7. 0:12school students who noticed something
  8. 0:14that no police officer had before.
  9. 0:16>> [music]
  10. 0:16>> And if you're interested in cold cases
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  21. 0:41It's when your heart starts pounding.
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  23. 0:44>> [sighs]
  24. 0:47>> This story starts like many Heart Starts
  25. 0:49Pounding stories in the dark backwoods
  26. 0:52of Appalachia. There are legends about
  27. 0:55what lurks at the foothills of the
  28. 0:56Appalachian Mountains. Eyes in the trees
  29. 0:58that watch you, a whistling song to lure
  30. 1:01travelers off of the path. Well, 40
  31. 1:03years ago, a different kind of prowler
  32. 1:05stalked the dark woods, an all too human
  33. 1:09terror. It's the morning of April 1st,
  34. 1:111985. Two men are ambling along a back
  35. 1:14road in their pickup just outside of
  36. 1:16Gray, Kentucky. It's a place that's so
  37. 1:19small it's technically not even a town.
  38. 1:21It's just a dot on the map lucky enough
  39. 1:23to have a post office. These men are
  40. 1:25scavenging. [music]
  41. 1:27They're looking for discarded appliances
  42. 1:28on the side of the road that they can
  43. 1:30take home. The town doesn't have a
  44. 1:32proper junkyard, so locals have turned
  45. 1:34the roadside into their own dumping
  46. 1:36ground. Their truck rumbles down Highway
  47. 1:3925 when all of a sudden they see it.
  48. 1:42Jackpot. In the middle of the heap of
  49. 1:45discarded appliances stands a white
  50. 1:48Admiral refrigerator. It's an older
  51. 1:50model. It's a little dinged up, but they
  52. 1:52can strip it for copper and make some
  53. 1:54cash. They scramble down to inspect it.
  54. 1:57It definitely hasn't been here long.
  55. 1:59There was rain the previous day and
  56. 2:00there's fresh dirt on the metal handle.
  57. 2:03Without any ceremony, they yank on that
  58. 2:06handle, springing the door free
  59. 2:08and they freeze.
  60. 2:10Any excitement they had about this find
  61. 2:13has dried up
  62. 2:14because what they see inside is a
  63. 2:16woman's body.
  64. 2:18Knox County authorities arrive on the
  65. 2:19scene a little after 9:00 a.m. They
  66. 2:21dusted the refrigerator for prints and
  67. 2:23they searched the area for any clues as
  68. 2:25to who the woman was, what happened to
  69. 2:28her and how she ended up there.
  70. 2:30Nothing at the scene identified her
  71. 2:32though. She was a Jane Doe.
  72. 2:35They could see that she was naked except
  73. 2:37for short white socks. She wore two on
  74. 2:40each foot and she also wore two gold
  75. 2:42necklaces. One with an eagle pendant and
  76. 2:45the other a heart. She was petite, under
  77. 2:485 ft tall, about 100 lb and had reddish
  78. 2:51auburn hair. The police found a pair of
  79. 2:54boots in the junk pile that might have
  80. 2:56belonged to her but it was only a guess
  81. 2:58based on the shoe size. They found
  82. 3:00nothing else though that might help
  83. 3:03identify this woman.
  84. 3:04And the coroner wasn't any more
  85. 3:06successful in answering what had
  86. 3:07happened to her. The only thing he knew
  87. 3:10for certain was that she had been
  88. 3:11asphyxiated. But how was a total
  89. 3:15mystery.
  90. 3:16There were no marks on her neck to imply
  91. 3:18strangulation, no broken blood vessels
  92. 3:21around her nose that indicated she had
  93. 3:23been smothered. Now, it was possible
  94. 3:25that she suffocated inside the sealed
  95. 3:27refrigerator but there were no scratch
  96. 3:29marks on the inside of the door like she
  97. 3:31had tried to escape. So, the coroner
  98. 3:34figured that she was either
  99. 3:35incapacitated when she was placed inside
  100. 3:37or she was already dead. A toxicology
  101. 3:40screen showed no drugs or alcohol in her
  102. 3:42system though.
  103. 3:44This whole situation was baffling
  104. 3:47and not just for the officials that were
  105. 3:49grasping at straws in their
  106. 3:50investigation. The surrounding community
  107. 3:52was deeply shaken by the gruesome
  108. 3:54discovery. In an attempt to identify
  109. 3:57her, police released a postmortem
  110. 3:59photograph of Jane Doe's face in the
  111. 4:01local newspaper but no one recognized
  112. 4:04her. I mean, of course they didn't. This
  113. 4:06was a really small town. Everyone knew
  114. 4:08everyone. If she was from around here,
  115. 4:11someone would have spoken up the day
  116. 4:12that she was discovered. And the article
  117. 4:14also listed some identifying marks.
  118. 4:17There was a small mole on her neck, a
  119. 4:19birthmark on her left ankle, stretch
  120. 4:21marks on her abdomen that suggested she
  121. 4:24had given birth. She was probably a
  122. 4:26mother.
  123. 4:27But without an identity, there was not
  124. 4:29much the police could do to solve her
  125. 4:31murder. They only had one bare scrap of
  126. 4:35a lead. There was a report that there
  127. 4:37was a red-haired woman at a truck stop
  128. 4:39off of I-75 trying to hitch a ride to
  129. 4:42North Carolina. She was last seen around
  130. 4:452:00 a.m., 6 hours before Jane Doe was
  131. 4:48found in the refrigerator. If that was
  132. 4:50Jane Doe, she was probably picked up by
  133. 4:53her killer.
  134. 4:55It's not enough to solve the case, not
  135. 4:57by a long shot, but it's at least
  136. 4:59something.
  137. 5:01And this piece of information actually
  138. 5:03gives the investigators pause because in
  139. 5:06April of 1985,
  140. 5:08their Jane Doe isn't the only dead woman
  141. 5:11linked to I-75.
  142. 5:13See, over the last 6 months, nearly a
  143. 5:17dozen women had been found murdered
  144. 5:19alongside major highways. Four of them
  145. 5:22on I-75. And some of these women had
  146. 5:25been found within a few miles of each
  147. 5:27other. They were all white, petite,
  148. 5:30young,
  149. 5:32and all of them had red hair.
  150. 5:35Now, this suggests the unthinkable,
  151. 5:38that there is a serial killer down in
  152. 5:41Appalachia.
  153. 5:42The murders eventually got the name the
  154. 5:45Redhead murders. Now, Steve Watson with
  155. 5:48the Tennessee Bureau of Investigations
  156. 5:50hated that nickname when he started
  157. 5:52looking into the murders, but despite
  158. 5:53his personal feelings, that name had
  159. 5:56stuck. And the public was now really
  160. 5:58wanting answers.
  161. 6:00>> [music]
  162. 6:00>> So, on the morning of April 24th, 1985,
  163. 6:03Watson sat at the head of a conference
  164. 6:05table in the TBI office in Nashville
  165. 6:08with one item on the agenda, the redhead
  166. 6:11murders. 20 investigators filled the
  167. 6:14chairs around him, a few representatives
  168. 6:16from each state that this killer had
  169. 6:18struck. Kentucky, Tennessee,
  170. 6:21Pennsylvania, Arkansas, [music] and
  171. 6:22Mississippi. Now, they needed to figure
  172. 6:25out if this was just a coincidence or if
  173. 6:29there really was a serial killer.
  174. 6:31Throughout their 6-hour summit meeting,
  175. 6:33investigators compared notes on eight
  176. 6:35Jane Doe cases that they thought might
  177. 6:38be related, might all have been
  178. 6:40committed by the same person. So, on
  179. 6:43October 22nd, 1983, a woman was found on
  180. 6:46a river bluff about a mile off of I-40
  181. 6:49outside of Memphis, [music] Tennessee.
  182. 6:51She had strawberry blonde hair and she
  183. 6:53had been strangled. Almost a year later,
  184. 6:56on September 16th, 1984, another woman
  185. 6:59was found off of I-40 by a hitchhiker.
  186. 7:01She had also been strangled. Now, she
  187. 7:04was a natural blonde, but her hair had
  188. 7:06previously been dyed red and washed out.
  189. 7:10On December 23rd, another woman was
  190. 7:12found wrapped in a blanket near Highway
  191. 7:14222 outside of Reading, Pennsylvania.
  192. 7:17And again, she had been strangled, but
  193. 7:20she was a brunette. Then, on New Year's
  194. 7:23Day in 1985,
  195. 7:24>> [music]
  196. 7:24>> a couple from Florida had stopped along
  197. 7:26the shoulder of I-75 in Tennessee to
  198. 7:29take some pictures of the mountains, a
  199. 7:31little souvenir from their holiday trip.
  200. 7:33Once they stepped over the guardrail,
  201. 7:35they were able to see clearly down the
  202. 7:37steep embankment. And there was
  203. 7:39something wedged up against the trees
  204. 7:41below. It looked like a sleeping bag or
  205. 7:44a bedroll, but then they realized there
  206. 7:46was a barefoot sticking out of the
  207. 7:49bottom.
  208. 7:50When the police arrived, they found a
  209. 7:52woman wrapped in a thick green blanket
  210. 7:54wearing a tan velour blouse and blue
  211. 7:56jeans. She had been dead for a few days,
  212. 7:59strangled with a strip of cloth that was
  213. 8:01still knotted around her neck. Her hands
  214. 8:03and feet were bound with the same
  215. 8:05material. She was petite, 5'4, 110 lbs,
  216. 8:10and she had curly red hair. She was the
  217. 8:13fourth woman that was found. The fifth
  218. 8:16was found on January 24th along Highway
  219. 8:1978. She had strawberry blonde hair and
  220. 8:21had been strangled with a twisted cord,
  221. 8:23possibly her own shoelaces. And then on
  222. 8:27March 31st, a couple from Indiana was
  223. 8:29driving west on I-24 when their engine
  224. 8:31overheated. They pulled onto the
  225. 8:33shoulder and they saw a creek at the
  226. 8:35bottom of the steep embankment. They
  227. 8:37carefully trekked down to get some water
  228. 8:39to cool off their engine, and on the way
  229. 8:41down, they saw scattered pieces of
  230. 8:43women's clothing, a white blouse with
  231. 8:45small red flowers, a cable-knit sweater,
  232. 8:47a pair of jeans, a black bra. They were
  233. 8:50nearly in a line, like a makeshift trail
  234. 8:54that was leading them to the creek. And
  235. 8:56that is where they found the bones.
  236. 8:59Police were able to recover a woman's
  237. 9:00skull and several bones from the area,
  238. 9:03as well as scattered pieces of clothing.
  239. 9:05The sweater had a large bloody gash on
  240. 9:08one sleeve, and they found several
  241. 9:11strands of long red hair at the scene.
  242. 9:14Now, with only the bones to examine, the
  243. 9:16coroner wasn't able to determine the
  244. 9:17cause of death,
  245. 9:19but it did seem like her clothes had
  246. 9:21been removed and then deliberately
  247. 9:23placed down the embankment. If she had
  248. 9:25been wearing them when she died, they
  249. 9:27would have been affected by her
  250. 9:29decomposing body, but instead they were
  251. 9:31mostly intact, apart from the bloody
  252. 9:34gashes. And it was just one day later
  253. 9:37that the unidentified woman in the
  254. 9:38refrigerator was found, marking the
  255. 9:41seventh body. And as we know, she had
  256. 9:43red hair and was possibly last seen at a
  257. 9:45truck stop along I-75, and she died of
  258. 9:48asphyxiation, but the coroner said that
  259. 9:50she wasn't strangled. And finally, on
  260. 9:53April 14th, a woman was found 50 ft from
  261. 9:56I-81 in Greenville, Tennessee. She had
  262. 9:59been dead for several weeks, so it was
  263. 10:01difficult to determine an exact cause of
  264. 10:03death. However, she had been struck in
  265. 10:06the head and had stab wounds on her
  266. 10:08back. Her hair, though, was light brown.
  267. 10:11Now, when you hear all of those details
  268. 10:13together, it is pretty compelling. I
  269. 10:15mean, it sounds like they're linked in
  270. 10:17some way, right? But, that's what the
  271. 10:19summit was called to determine, and they
  272. 10:21argued that, you know, while there's a
  273. 10:23lot of similarities, there also were a
  274. 10:26lot of inconsistencies. Now, physically,
  275. 10:29the women all resembled each other. All
  276. 10:31white, all petite, all in their 20s or
  277. 10:3230s, but not all of them were redheads,
  278. 10:35no matter what the headlines claimed.
  279. 10:37They had all been murdered and left
  280. 10:39along major highways, suggesting a
  281. 10:41similar MO, but some had been found
  282. 10:44nude, some were still wearing clothes,
  283. 10:46most had been strangled, but not all,
  284. 10:49and even among those, some had been
  285. 10:51strangled with rope or cord, and some
  286. 10:54hadn't. [music]
  287. 10:55There was really only one thing that
  288. 10:57unified them all. They were all Jane
  289. 10:59Does. In every case, investigators had
  290. 11:02tried to identify them, published their
  291. 11:03descriptions in newspapers, compared
  292. 11:06them to hundreds of missing persons
  293. 11:07files, but they all came up empty. So,
  294. 11:11this led them to the same conclusion,
  295. 11:13that they were probably unidentified for
  296. 11:15a reason. They were probably transient
  297. 11:17women who were maybe drug users or sex
  298. 11:20workers who had found themselves
  299. 11:22untethered from society and estranged
  300. 11:24from their families. They weren't in the
  301. 11:26missing persons files because they had
  302. 11:28no one who would report them. And you
  303. 11:30and I, when we hear that, we think, "Oh,
  304. 11:33that's probably why they were targeted."
  305. 11:36But, to a meeting of investigators in
  306. 11:38the 1980s, they figured that whether or
  307. 11:41not these women died at the hands of a
  308. 11:42serial killer was almost irrelevant.
  309. 11:45They had put themselves in harm's way,
  310. 11:48they said. And at the end of their
  311. 11:506-hour summit, the officials denied the
  312. 11:53existence of such a killer. There were
  313. 11:55just too many differences between the
  314. 11:57cases to say otherwise. Each department
  315. 11:59remained committed to solving each
  316. 12:01murder, but any notion of a task force
  317. 12:04was totally dissolved. In public
  318. 12:06statements, they once again asked the
  319. 12:07public for help in identifying the
  320. 12:09murdered women because that was key to
  321. 12:11solving these crimes. But then, [music]
  322. 12:13for the next few months, the cases sat
  323. 12:15stagnant, growing colder.
  324. 12:17But then,
  325. 12:19that summer, they finally caught a
  326. 12:21break. In June of 1984, a tip came in
  327. 12:24about one of the Jane Does' identities.
  328. 12:27A woman named Marie Williams came
  329. 12:29forward. She was a sex worker, and she
  330. 12:31was living with a man named Thomas
  331. 12:32Gatewood. Marie told the Fort Lauderdale
  332. 12:35police that in the fall of 1984, she and
  333. 12:37Gatewood were living in West Memphis,
  334. 12:39Arkansas, with another woman, also a sex
  335. 12:42worker. And one night, that woman
  336. 12:44disappeared.
  337. 12:46The last time Marie saw the woman, she
  338. 12:48was at a truck stop climbing into the
  339. 12:50cab of a truck rig. And Marie remembered
  340. 12:54that there were two other men inside of
  341. 12:56the truck.
  342. 12:58A few days later, police found a
  343. 12:59murdered woman along I-40, only a few
  344. 13:01miles away from that truck stop. And
  345. 13:04Marie felt certain that it was her
  346. 13:06missing friend. So, that was something.
  347. 13:09Police were then able to compare the
  348. 13:11West Memphis Jane Does' fingerprints to
  349. 13:13an old arrest record of the woman that
  350. 13:16Marie told them about.
  351. 13:17And they got a hit. Authorities had
  352. 13:20confirmed their first identity. She was
  353. 13:2326-year-old Lisa Ann Nichols.
  354. 13:26Lisa grew up in West Virginia with two
  355. 13:28older sisters and a brother. When she
  356. 13:30was nine, her home life splintered. Her
  357. 13:33parents got divorced, her sisters got
  358. 13:35married and moved out, and her mom
  359. 13:36started working nights at a bar to make
  360. 13:38ends meet. After running away from home,
  361. 13:41Lisa spent a few years in foster care.
  362. 13:43She was living with her grandma when she
  363. 13:45got pregnant, and at 19, she left home
  364. 13:47for good, her 1-year-old son in tow. She
  365. 13:50eventually made her way to Nashville,
  366. 13:52but the only details of her time there
  367. 13:54came from her arrest record, criminal
  368. 13:57trespassing, two counts of larceny, and
  369. 13:59at least five arrests for prostitution.
  370. 14:02Throughout the years, she kept in touch
  371. 14:04with one of her sisters through sporadic
  372. 14:06phone calls.
  373. 14:07But one day,
  374. 14:08those phone calls stopped, and her
  375. 14:10sister never knew what had happened to
  376. 14:13her. Now, she hadn't reported her sister
  377. 14:16missing because the stretches in between
  378. 14:18their phone calls were getting longer
  379. 14:20and longer and she figured that Lisa was
  380. 14:22living a life that she didn't want her
  381. 14:24sister to know about. So, when Lisa went
  382. 14:26dark, her sister just thought she had
  383. 14:28cut her off until one day when police
  384. 14:31arrived at her door to let her know that
  385. 14:33Lisa had been killed.
  386. 14:36This was devastating to hear, but it
  387. 14:39only got worse from there.
  388. 14:42See, Lisa was exactly who investigators
  389. 14:45already thought she was. Transient, drug
  390. 14:48user, sex worker, and rather than
  391. 14:50restart the conversation about a
  392. 14:51possible serial killer, reconsider the
  393. 14:53new links between the cases, they
  394. 14:56thought that it proved what they already
  395. 14:58thought. That Lisa Nichols willingly got
  396. 15:00into cars with strange men and one night
  397. 15:03she picked the wrong guy. That was the
  398. 15:05risk she took with the life she led. If
  399. 15:07anything, it made it less likely that
  400. 15:09there was a serial killer on the loose.
  401. 15:11It was just what happened to those kinds
  402. 15:14of women, [music]
  403. 15:14is what they said.
  404. 15:16And so, investigators closed the book
  405. 15:19and for decades that was the end of the
  406. 15:22story. None of the other Jane Does were
  407. 15:24identified, eight cases were shelved,
  408. 15:26and seven women were left unidentified.
  409. 15:29Seven families had no idea why they had
  410. 15:31heard from their loved one for the last
  411. 15:33time. [music] Some of the evidence was
  412. 15:35even discarded. The so-called redhead
  413. 15:37murders were relegated to blog posts and
  414. 15:40Reddit forums. But then, an unsuspecting
  415. 15:43group of teenagers did what no one else
  416. 15:47could.
  417. 15:48So, I want to fast forward to 2018, 34
  418. 15:51years later. A teacher named Alex
  419. 15:53Campbell had taught sociology at
  420. 15:55Elizabethton High School in East
  421. 15:57Tennessee for the last 10 years and he
  422. 15:59had been noticing a disappointing trend
  423. 16:01amongst his students, apathy. They just
  424. 16:04weren't engaged. The school system was
  425. 16:07more obsessed with passing tests than
  426. 16:09actually learning anything and over time
  427. 16:12that disaffected attitude started to
  428. 16:14creep up on Mr. Campbell, too. He lost
  429. 16:16his own excitement for learning and
  430. 16:18teaching. But Mr. Campbell was like you
  431. 16:21and I. He was obsessed with true crime,
  432. 16:24specifically cold cases, and he loved
  433. 16:27when justice was served after years of a
  434. 16:29case sitting on a shelf. So, when the
  435. 16:31semester resumed in January of 2018, he
  436. 16:34asked his students a question.
  437. 16:36"How do you identify one person out of
  438. 16:38250 million?"
  439. 16:40Now, it does sound like a weird riddle
  440. 16:43that a teacher would ask you, but he was
  441. 16:45serious. He was talking about the
  442. 16:46Redhead murders. That's what he wanted
  443. 16:48the class to work on that semester.
  444. 16:50Could they find the person responsible
  445. 16:53for these crimes? The one person out of
  446. 16:55250 million in America. And they would
  447. 16:58do it through the tenants of sociology,
  448. 17:00society, family, patterns of behavior,
  449. 17:03interpersonal relationships,
  450. 17:05but also through the lens of these
  451. 17:0730-year-old cold cases. Real people who
  452. 17:10had died in their own backyard that they
  453. 17:12had a chance to help. And it worked. The
  454. 17:15whole dynamic of Mr. Campbell's
  455. 17:17classroom changed. His students were
  456. 17:19more than engaged. They were passionate
  457. 17:21in their search for answers. Their eyes
  458. 17:23all lit back up. They became advocates
  459. 17:25for the women who for way too long had
  460. 17:28all remained Jane Does. And that's where
  461. 17:31this class started. They needed to
  462. 17:33identify their victim pool. At the law
  463. 17:36enforcement summit back in 1985,
  464. 17:38officials had considered eight cases for
  465. 17:40possible links. And in the years since,
  466. 17:43the number of suspected Redhead victims
  467. 17:46had actually doubled as more information
  468. 17:48came to light. The cases now ranged from
  469. 17:511978 to 2001, and they shared familiar
  470. 17:55characteristics. The physicality of the
  471. 17:57victims, how they had died, and where
  472. 17:59their bodies were found. But after
  473. 18:01researching each one of these cases, Mr.
  474. 18:04Campbell's class decided to focus on six
  475. 18:06of them that they believed had enough
  476. 18:08evidence to be linked. Five of the six I
  477. 18:11have already mentioned to you in this
  478. 18:13episode as they were part of the
  479. 18:14official summit meeting, but I'll
  480. 18:16summarize them again here. So, there was
  481. 18:18Lisa Nichols found in September of 1984
  482. 18:21in West Memphis, Arkansas, the only
  483. 18:23victim to have been identified so far.
  484. 18:25The victim that we started our story
  485. 18:27with, found on April 1st in the
  486. 18:29refrigerator along Highway 25. There was
  487. 18:31also the Campbell County victim, found
  488. 18:34on New Year's Day 1985, wrapped in a
  489. 18:36blanket off of I-75. Then, there was
  490. 18:39also the Cheatham County victim, found
  491. 18:42on March 31st near I-24. She had been
  492. 18:44dead for several months and her body was
  493. 18:46mostly decomposed. There was also the
  494. 18:48Jane Doe found in Green County on April
  495. 18:5114th next to I-81. She had been dragged
  496. 18:5450 ft through the grass, stabbed, and
  497. 18:56suffered a blunt force blow to the head,
  498. 18:59perhaps because she was trying to fight
  499. 19:01off her attacker. And finally, the woman
  500. 19:04that was discovered on February 13th,
  501. 19:061983, earlier than the other ones. She
  502. 19:09was found off of Highway 250 in West
  503. 19:11Virginia. The students believed that
  504. 19:14these six cases represented a compelling
  505. 19:17pattern, a signature. One that was sort
  506. 19:21of disregarded by the original
  507. 19:22investigators who thought that these
  508. 19:24women brought their deaths upon
  509. 19:26themselves because of their lifestyles.
  510. 19:28But these students were not buying that.
  511. 19:30These women looked like each other, they
  512. 19:32had similar backgrounds, they had been
  513. 19:33killed in similar ways, and died during
  514. 19:36a discrete period of time in a close
  515. 19:38geographical area. Yes, they were
  516. 19:40discovered in different states, but the
  517. 19:43highways that they were found beside
  518. 19:45provided nearly direct routes to one
  519. 19:47another. So, they believed it was the
  520. 19:50hunting ground of a serial killer, and
  521. 19:52they even gave that serial killer a
  522. 19:55name, because catchy names,
  523. 19:56unfortunately, are usually what helps
  524. 19:58bring more attention to cases. They
  525. 20:01named him the Bible Belt Strangler. So,
  526. 20:04the class then does all of this
  527. 20:06research. They have consultations with
  528. 20:07law enforcement, and they go through old
  529. 20:09FBI profiling techniques, and they
  530. 20:12actually identify 21 characteristics
  531. 20:15that they believe the Bible Belt
  532. 20:16Strangler has in an attempt to unmask
  533. 20:19him. They say that he was probably a
  534. 20:22white, heterosexual male born between
  535. 20:251936 and 1962, which would have made him
  536. 20:28roughly early 20s to late 40s at the
  537. 20:30times that the murders started. He was
  538. 20:32of average or slightly above average
  539. 20:35height, like 5'9" to 6'2". He was also
  540. 20:37between 180 to 270 lbs. He was strong
  541. 20:41enough to physically overpower his
  542. 20:43victims without the use of a weapon and
  543. 20:45carry their bodies to a different
  544. 20:47location to dispose of them. And they
  545. 20:49got even more specific. They believed he
  546. 20:52either lived in or worked out of
  547. 20:54Knoxville, Tennessee, the geographical
  548. 20:56center of the six cases. I-40 ran
  549. 20:59through the city as a main artery. The
  550. 21:01other relevant highways all branched off
  551. 21:03of it. For this and other reasons, he
  552. 21:06probably worked as a truck driver. Rest
  553. 21:09stops and gas stations gave him ready
  554. 21:11access to his preferred victim pool, sex
  555. 21:14workers and hitchhikers. Trucking also
  556. 21:17provided cover when disposing of bodies.
  557. 21:19No one thought twice about a big rig
  558. 21:21pulled over on the side of a highway.
  559. 21:23They also said that the Bible Belt
  560. 21:25Strangler was a mission-oriented killer,
  561. 21:28meaning he had taken up a personal
  562. 21:30crusade against an identifiable group.
  563. 21:33It's possible that he felt like he was
  564. 21:36ridding the world of undesirable women,
  565. 21:38as he mostly targeted sex workers.
  566. 21:41However, given the overwhelming
  567. 21:43similarities between the victims'
  568. 21:45physical appearance, it's also possible
  569. 21:47that they were surrogates for another
  570. 21:49figure in his life that he hated.
  571. 21:52Possibly a red-headed mother or maybe a
  572. 21:55wife. They said he was an organized
  573. 21:58killer, smart enough to acquire and
  574. 22:00dispose of his victims without drawing
  575. 22:02suspicion, careful enough to not leave
  576. 22:04any evidence behind for police, but he
  577. 22:06also would leave his victims out in the
  578. 22:08open because he wanted them to be
  579. 22:10discovered. Remember, one victim had a
  580. 22:13trail of clothing that led to her
  581. 22:15remains.
  582. 22:16And most importantly, the students
  583. 22:18described him as probably being an
  584. 22:21average Joe. He wasn't obviously a
  585. 22:23psychopath. He was able to hold down a
  586. 22:26steady job. He was capable of long-term
  587. 22:28relationships. He might even be married
  588. 22:31with a family. He made sure to only kill
  589. 22:34while he was out on the road. His
  590. 22:36friends and loved ones would likely be
  591. 22:38shocked if they learned his true nature.
  592. 22:41The students went ahead and they
  593. 22:42compiled all of these details and the
  594. 22:45reasoning behind it into this seven-page
  595. 22:47profile. At the beginning of the
  596. 22:49semester, Mr. Campbell had asked them,
  597. 22:51"How do you identify one person out of
  598. 22:54250 million?" And with this profile in
  599. 22:57hand, they were much closer to their
  600. 22:59goal.
  601. 23:00But now, what exactly were they supposed
  602. 23:03to do with that report? Well, on May
  603. 23:0615th, 2018, Mr. Campbell's class held a
  604. 23:09televised press conference [music] at
  605. 23:11their high school to present their
  606. 23:12profile of the Bible Belt Strangler.
  607. 23:15Standing behind them were officers from
  608. 23:17the Tennessee Bureau of Investigations
  609. 23:19and the various county sheriff's
  610. 23:20departments with the six open Jane Doe
  611. 23:22cases. They made their objective clear.
  612. 23:25With enough public attention, someone
  613. 23:28will come forward with new information.
  614. 23:31They might recognize one of the Jane
  615. 23:32Does from their description. They might
  616. 23:34have seen something years ago that they
  617. 23:37thought wasn't important at the time,
  618. 23:39but now they understand that it's a
  619. 23:40vital clue.
  620. 23:42They might read the profile of the Bible
  621. 23:44Belt Strangler and realize that it
  622. 23:46sounds like someone they know. They
  623. 23:49urged the gathered journalists not to
  624. 23:51let these women's stories go silent
  625. 23:53again. They asked the people watching to
  626. 23:55share the details with friends and
  627. 23:57family. Someone knows something. So, we
  628. 24:01have to keep asking until we have
  629. 24:03answers, [music] they said. And in a
  630. 24:05direct address to the killer, Mr.
  631. 24:08Campbell warned, "The Bible Belt
  632. 24:10Strangler,
  633. 24:11we know you're out there. We know
  634. 24:13somebody has information to help find
  635. 24:15you and hold you accountable. And after
  636. 24:18today,
  637. 24:19everyone knows that we're looking for
  638. 24:22you."
  639. 24:24And well,
  640. 24:26they found him.
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  698. 26:30So, 2018 had two things that the 1980s
  699. 26:33just didn't have when it came to the
  700. 26:35Redhead murders.
  701. 26:36>> [music]
  702. 26:36>> One, a group of teenagers who actually
  703. 26:38cared about the cases, and two, a
  704. 26:40boatload of new science. [music] The
  705. 26:43students' profile said that the Bible
  706. 26:45Belt Strangler was an organized,
  707. 26:47methodical killer who removed any
  708. 26:49evidence from his victims.
  709. 26:51But,
  710. 26:52this killer [music]
  711. 26:53had made a mistake. Police did have some
  712. 26:56bodily fluids [music] from the killer.
  713. 26:58They found semen on a blanket wrapped
  714. 27:01around one of the victims, but in 1985,
  715. 27:03they didn't have the technology to do
  716. 27:05anything with it. But, now they did.
  717. 27:08>> [music]
  718. 27:08>> The DNA was sequenced, and it was
  719. 27:10uploaded to their system. Police waited
  720. 27:13eagerly to see if anything would come
  721. 27:15up. The students showed up to class
  722. 27:17every day waiting for an update, knowing
  723. 27:19that there might just not be a match in
  724. 27:21the system.
  725. 27:23But, then,
  726. 27:24one day, they got the call.
  727. 27:26There was a match.
  728. 27:28His name was Jerry Leon Johns, and once
  729. 27:32the police started looking into him,
  730. 27:35they could not believe how well he
  731. 27:38matched the Bible Belt Strangler
  732. 27:40profile. So, he's a white, heterosexual
  733. 27:44male. The students guessed that he was
  734. 27:46born between 1932 and 1951.
  735. 27:49Johns was born in 1948. They said that
  736. 27:52he would be slightly above average
  737. 27:54height. Johns, 6'2, 185 lb. And not only
  738. 27:59all of that, there's also his
  739. 28:01profession.
  740. 28:03He was a truck driver. His company,
  741. 28:05Rebel Trucking, was based in Cleveland,
  742. 28:08Tennessee, roughly 80 mi south of
  743. 28:10Knoxville on I-70, the exact road
  744. 28:14several of the women had been found
  745. 28:15alongside, and right where the students
  746. 28:18felt like he'd be based. The students
  747. 28:20also figured that he would be an average
  748. 28:22Joe. And from the research, Jerry Leon
  749. 28:25Johns was a family man. He had a wife,
  750. 28:28he had kids, though him and his wife did
  751. 28:30eventually separate. And who was his
  752. 28:33ex-wife, you might ask? The woman who
  753. 28:35had been married to this monster?
  754. 28:38Phyllis. She was white, petite, and she
  755. 28:42had red hair.
  756. 28:43Now, Phyllis described Johns as
  757. 28:46"unfailingly loyal, a wonderful father,
  758. 28:49and completely incapable of murder."
  759. 28:52But we know exactly the type of violence
  760. 28:55that he was capable of.
  761. 28:57Let me take you back to the night of
  762. 28:59March 5th, 1985. Jerry Leon Johns is out
  763. 29:03in Knoxville with his brother Wayne at a
  764. 29:05strip joint, the Catch One Club. He's a
  765. 29:07regular there, and he even has a
  766. 29:09membership card. He pulls aside one of
  767. 29:11the dancers, a redhead named Linda, and
  768. 29:14he makes her an offer. His brother's
  769. 29:16been feeling a little bit blue, and
  770. 29:18Jerry's trying to show him a good time,
  771. 29:19cheer him up a little bit. If she and a
  772. 29:21friend would come back to their motel,
  773. 29:23he would make it worth their while. And
  774. 29:25then, he flashed four $100 bills.
  775. 29:29Linda considered the money. It was more
  776. 29:31than she would make the rest of the
  777. 29:33night dancing, so she agreed. Jerry tore
  778. 29:36two of the bills in the middle and gave
  779. 29:38Linda the halves, promising the rest
  780. 29:41after she made good. So, Linda grabbed a
  781. 29:43friend, and the four of them drove to a
  782. 29:45Holiday Inn, each in their own cars.
  783. 29:48Jerry paid for two rooms, and they
  784. 29:49coupled off. After Jerry and Linda had
  785. 29:52sex, Linda went and took a shower. But
  786. 29:54when she came out of the bathroom, Jerry
  787. 29:56was there, holding a gun.
  788. 29:59He claimed that he was actually an
  789. 30:00undercover Texas Ranger, and said that
  790. 30:02if she didn't do exactly as he said, he
  791. 30:04would have her arrested. He told her to
  792. 30:07get dressed, and then led her out to the
  793. 30:09parking lot at gunpoint, shoving her
  794. 30:11into the passenger seat of her own car.
  795. 30:13Jerry then ripped her T-shirt into
  796. 30:15strips and used the cloth to bind her
  797. 30:17hands and feet and gag her. He warned
  798. 30:20her, "Try to run or try to scream, and
  799. 30:22he would shoot her in the head."
  800. 30:24Then he pulled out of the parking lot
  801. 30:26and onto the interstate. When he finally
  802. 30:28stopped, they were parked alongside a
  803. 30:30thick area of trees. Jerry forced Linda
  804. 30:33out of the car into the darkness, and
  805. 30:35she pleaded with him.
  806. 30:37"Are you going to kill me?" she asked.
  807. 30:40"Yes," he said. She had become a
  808. 30:42nuisance to him.
  809. 30:44And then, Jerry tied one of the T-shirt
  810. 30:47strips around Linda's neck, and he
  811. 30:49strangled her.
  812. 30:50Eventually, she blacked out.
  813. 30:53But against all odds,
  814. 30:56Linda woke up. One corner of the collar
  815. 30:59on Linda's jacket had gotten wedged
  816. 31:01between her skin and the ligature,
  817. 31:03leaving her just
  818. 31:05to breathe and regain consciousness. And
  819. 31:07when she came to, she was under the road
  820. 31:09in a drainage ditch. She managed to
  821. 31:11climb back up to the highway and flag
  822. 31:13down a passing car for help.
  823. 31:16While Linda was taken to the hospital,
  824. 31:18Knox County police went to the Holiday
  825. 31:20Inn that she described. They were able
  826. 31:21to track down Jerry, and he was still
  827. 31:23driving Linda's car, his gun sitting on
  828. 31:26the passenger seat. In his pockets, they
  829. 31:28found the motel room key and two halves
  830. 31:31of $100 bills.
  831. 31:33It was more than enough evidence to
  832. 31:35arrest him for the attack, and Jerry was
  833. 31:37ultimately convicted and sentenced
  834. 31:39[music]
  835. 31:40to 73 years in prison.
  836. 31:42So,
  837. 31:43let's just make this crystal clear.
  838. 31:44Jerry was a truck driver who had
  839. 31:46abducted a red-haired woman, strangled
  840. 31:49her, and left her body in a ditch off
  841. 31:50the side [music] of the freeway.
  842. 31:53Does this sound familiar? I mean, of
  843. 31:54course it does. And the police
  844. 31:56investigating the murder cases
  845. 31:57recognized the similarities, too. They
  846. 31:59strongly considered him as a suspect in
  847. 32:02the Camel County Jane Doe murder, as
  848. 32:03well. She was the one that was
  849. 32:05discovered on New Year's Day, 1985, just
  850. 32:082 months after Linda's attack alongside
  851. 32:10I-75 in Tennessee. She was found wrapped
  852. 32:13in a thick green blanket, strangled with
  853. 32:15a strip of cloth that was still knotted
  854. 32:18around her neck. Her hands and her feet
  855. 32:20were bound with the same material.
  856. 32:22And that knot that was used to strangle
  857. 32:25her was almost identical to the one that
  858. 32:27Jerry Johns used on Linda. And it turns
  859. 32:30out that at the time, investigators felt
  860. 32:33strongly that he was involved, but they
  861. 32:35just didn't have enough evidence to
  862. 32:36prove it.
  863. 32:37And, you know, maybe they let themselves
  864. 32:39off the hook a little bit because Jerry
  865. 32:41had already been sentenced to [music]
  866. 32:42spend the next seven decades behind
  867. 32:44bars.
  868. 32:45But, luckily, science stepped up where
  869. 32:48they fell short. And in 2016, new
  870. 32:51analysis confirmed that Jerry's DNA was
  871. 32:54on both the blanket the Campbell County
  872. 32:57Jane Doe was wrapped in and the blouse
  873. 32:59that she was wearing.
  874. 33:01Finally,
  875. 33:02solid evidence that he was involved.
  876. 33:05But, unfortunately,
  877. 33:07they still had no idea who this woman
  878. 33:09was. Fast forward to 2018. Thanks to the
  879. 33:13classes press conference for the Bible
  880. 33:15Belt Strangler, the cold cases were now
  881. 33:17fresh in everyone's minds. And the
  882. 33:19Tennessee Bureau of Investigations
  883. 33:21received a tip about a blog that
  884. 33:23published descriptions of missing
  885. 33:24persons. One of the descriptions seemed
  886. 33:27to match the Campbell County Jane Doe.
  887. 33:29Agents were able to obtain a fingerprint
  888. 33:31match from old records and finally
  889. 33:34confirm an identity.
  890. 33:36Tina Marie Farmer.
  891. 33:39She was last seen in November of 1984 at
  892. 33:41her family's Thanksgiving in
  893. 33:43Indianapolis. They actually had reported
  894. 33:46her missing, but for whatever reason,
  895. 33:48Tina's file was never registered in the
  896. 33:50national missing persons database. So,
  897. 33:52when investigators tried to compare
  898. 33:54their Jane Doe's description to open
  899. 33:56cases, she wasn't there. But, now that
  900. 33:59she had been identified and Jerry Johns
  901. 34:01had been conclusively linked to her
  902. 34:03death, the wheels of justice could
  903. 34:06finally turn. In 2019, a grand jury
  904. 34:09ruled that there was sufficient evidence
  905. 34:11to indict Jerry for Tina's murder. And
  906. 34:13Mr. Campbell's class was really to thank
  907. 34:16for it.
  908. 34:18Except,
  909. 34:19Jerry Leon Johns was dead.
  910. 34:22He had died in prison in 2015 while he
  911. 34:24was still serving time for Linda's
  912. 34:26attempted murder.
  913. 34:28Now, there are a lot of mixed feelings
  914. 34:31here.
  915. 34:32On one hand, Jerry died in prison, which
  916. 34:35is exactly where he should have been.
  917. 34:38But, justice for one is not justice for
  918. 34:40all here because those women would have
  919. 34:42never been identified, and those murders
  920. 34:44would have never been looked at again if
  921. 34:46not for Mr. Campbell's class. So, now we
  922. 34:49have to wonder
  923. 34:51how many other women did Jerry kill?
  924. 34:54Eight years after their press
  925. 34:55conference, I'm happy to say that it had
  926. 34:57the exact effect Mr. Campbell's students
  927. 34:59intended. Tina Farmer was just [music]
  928. 35:02the first domino to fall. Month after
  929. 35:04month, year after year, more and more
  930. 35:07victims were identified. Like the
  931. 35:09Cheatham County Jane Doe, she was part
  932. 35:12of both the original summit meeting and
  933. 35:14the class grouping. On March 31st, 1985,
  934. 35:17she was found off of I-24 with her
  935. 35:19clothes deliberately removed, and thanks
  936. 35:22to advancements in genealogy sequencing
  937. 35:25the Cheatham County Jane Doe was finally
  938. 35:27identified
  939. 35:28>> [music]
  940. 35:28>> as 24-year-old Michelle Inman. She lived
  941. 35:31in Nashville, and like other Bible Belt
  942. 35:34victims, she was a sex worker.
  943. 35:36Evidence collected from Jerry Johns'
  944. 35:37truck, as well as statements that he
  945. 35:39made to the police back in 1985, placed
  946. 35:42him in the Nashville area at the same
  947. 35:45time frame they estimated Michelle was
  948. 35:46killed. Her case is still open and under
  949. 35:50investigation. The TBI has published
  950. 35:52pictures of the clothing found with her
  951. 35:54body, and they are still actively
  952. 35:56seeking information from anyone who
  953. 35:58recognizes Michelle, what she was
  954. 36:00wearing, or if they know anything about
  955. 36:02who she was last seen with.
  956. 36:04>> [music]
  957. 36:04>> It does seem like this is one where
  958. 36:05there's just not DNA evidence that can
  959. 36:07be retested. After a hotline tip, the
  960. 36:10Greene County Jane Doe was identified as
  961. 36:1317-year-old Elizabeth Lamont. When her
  962. 36:16body was discovered on April 14th, 1985
  963. 36:20she was a very long way from home. She
  964. 36:22was last seen on November 22nd, 1984 in
  965. 36:25New Hampshire. She was living in a group
  966. 36:27home at the time, and she'd gotten
  967. 36:29permission to attend the high school
  968. 36:30football game. She left that afternoon,
  969. 36:33and she never returned. It is possible
  970. 36:36that she was abducted. It's also
  971. 36:38possible that she used that opportunity
  972. 36:40to run away, which she had done in the
  973. 36:42past. The coroner estimated that
  974. 36:45Elizabeth had been dead for 3 to 6 weeks
  975. 36:47before she was found. So, that still
  976. 36:51left several months between leaving the
  977. 36:53group home and her murder. If she had
  978. 36:55run away, it is possible that she spent
  979. 36:57that time hitchhiking, which might have
  980. 36:59put her in Jerry Johns path. It is
  981. 37:02pure speculation, but investigators
  982. 37:05found a business card on Elizabeth's
  983. 37:07body for a motel in Houston, Texas. And
  984. 37:09when Jerry was arrested for attacking
  985. 37:11Lynn, the police recovered a recent
  986. 37:13receipt from a gas station just a few
  987. 37:16miles away from that motel.
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  1069. 40:16Since 2018, new groups of Mr. Campbell's
  1070. 40:18students continued to research the cold
  1071. 40:20cases and their possible links to Jerry
  1072. 40:22Johns. They added another potential
  1073. 40:25victim found on April 1st, 1985,
  1074. 40:28Angelico, Tennessee. Because of her
  1075. 40:31young age, investigators referred to her
  1076. 40:33as Baby Girl. Now, all that was left of
  1077. 40:37Baby Girl was a skeleton. It was found
  1078. 40:40by a local man near an abandoned strip
  1079. 40:42mine. Baby Girl had been dead at least a
  1080. 40:45year, and the suspected cause of death
  1081. 40:47was strangulation. The case caught the
  1082. 40:50students' attention because the bones
  1083. 40:53were discovered only 7 miles away from
  1084. 40:55Tina Farmer, and DNA analysis eventually
  1085. 40:58identified baby girl as 15-year-old
  1086. 41:01Tracy Sue Walker. She was last seen in
  1087. 41:04July of 1987 hanging out at the mall
  1088. 41:06with her friends. She got into a car
  1089. 41:09with a pair of men, which takes
  1090. 41:12investigators back to Linda getting in
  1091. 41:14the car with Jerry and his brother. But
  1092. 41:16then she disappeared. Now, Jerry Johns
  1093. 41:19often drove up to Illinois to visit his
  1094. 41:21estranged wife and children. I-75 was a
  1095. 41:24straight shot from Knoxville to home,
  1096. 41:27and it passed right through Indiana
  1097. 41:29where Tracy vanished. It also passed
  1098. 41:32Indianapolis where Tina Farmer
  1099. 41:34disappeared. Now, here's another kicker.
  1100. 41:37Tracy was discovered in an abandoned
  1101. 41:39strip mine. Jerry's trucking company had
  1102. 41:42a contract with a manufacturer that
  1103. 41:44supplied parts used in coal mining. So,
  1104. 41:48even if this dump site was a bit farther
  1105. 41:50off the beaten path than his usual, it
  1106. 41:53was entirely possible that he was
  1107. 41:55already familiar with this area because
  1108. 41:57of his work. In 2025, Mr. Campbell's
  1109. 42:00class participated in a documentary
  1110. 42:02series continuing the work of the
  1111. 42:03students before them. In particular,
  1112. 42:06they were focused now on Tracy Sue
  1113. 42:08Walker or baby girl. And this time, the
  1114. 42:11Tennessee Bureau of Investigations was
  1115. 42:13right alongside them. Special Agent
  1116. 42:16Brandon Elkins presented the class with
  1117. 42:19newly discovered evidence from Tracy's
  1118. 42:21case. He had photographs of the original
  1119. 42:24crime scene discovery. Her body had been
  1120. 42:27discovered only 30 minutes away from
  1121. 42:28their town, Elizabethton, and together
  1122. 42:31they took a field trip and they walked
  1123. 42:33through the overgrown woods where she
  1124. 42:34was found. And here is where there's a
  1125. 42:36little bit of a twist in the story
  1126. 42:38because this area was not at all what
  1127. 42:40the students were expecting. The site
  1128. 42:42was completely out of the way. It was
  1129. 42:44down a steep hill, and it had been
  1130. 42:46described in their research as an
  1131. 42:48abandoned strip mine,
  1132. 42:50but it was actually more a junkyard.
  1133. 42:53Agent Elkins introduced the students to
  1134. 42:55some locals who said that the area had
  1135. 42:57been a favorite spot for bootleggers who
  1136. 42:59would make moonshine.
  1137. 43:01And after seeing this area with their
  1138. 43:03own eyes, they started to reconsider
  1139. 43:05Jerry's involvement because it was just
  1140. 43:08too different from his normal MO. He
  1141. 43:11liked to dump bodies out in the open
  1142. 43:12where he knew they would be discovered.
  1143. 43:14It was only by chance that Tracy had
  1144. 43:17been found. She was that concealed. But,
  1145. 43:19that didn't mean they were going to give
  1146. 43:20up on her case. Even if she wasn't a
  1147. 43:22Bible Belt Strangler victim, she still
  1148. 43:24deserved just as much attention. Mr.
  1149. 43:27Campbell's students created a full court
  1150. 43:29press campaign centered around the
  1151. 43:31tagline, "Someone knows who killed Tracy
  1152. 43:34Sue. Is it you?" They created flyers,
  1153. 43:37yard signs, and direct mailers with her
  1154. 43:39photo urging the public to contact the
  1155. 43:41TBI with any tips. They even had an
  1156. 43:43airplane fly a banner over the area with
  1157. 43:46a hotline number. And they also created
  1158. 43:48a website, justicefortracysue.com,
  1159. 43:52which has even more resources and
  1160. 43:54material, and I strongly encourage you
  1161. 43:56to check it out and share Tracy's story.
  1162. 43:58I'll link it in the description of this
  1163. 43:59episode. Tracy's story wasn't the only
  1164. 44:01one they were reconsidering when it came
  1165. 44:03to Jerry's involvement. They had to
  1166. 44:05accept the same conclusion for the Knox
  1167. 44:08County Jane Doe, the woman who was found
  1168. 44:10in the refrigerator that I told you
  1169. 44:11about first in this episode. She had
  1170. 44:13been killed on April 1st, 1985.
  1171. 44:16Jerry Johns was already in jail at that
  1172. 44:18time, charged with attacking Linda on
  1173. 44:20March 6th. But, even if she wasn't one
  1174. 44:23of the Bible Belt Strangler victims,
  1175. 44:25there is one bright spot in her story,
  1176. 44:28and that is that her headstone finally
  1177. 44:30has a name. She was identified as Esby
  1178. 44:33Pilgrim after a family member recognized
  1179. 44:36an enhanced photo in a missing and
  1180. 44:38unidentified persons group on Facebook.
  1181. 44:41At the time of her disappearance, she
  1182. 44:43left behind a 6-week-old
  1183. 44:46daughter.
  1184. 44:48And while she doesn't know who stole her
  1185. 44:49mother from her life, she at least has a
  1186. 44:51small measure of closure.
  1187. 44:54There is still a lot more to be done,
  1188. 44:56but
  1189. 44:57as heartbreaking as this episode is, I
  1190. 44:59did want to end on a little bit of a
  1191. 45:01positive note. After SB Pilgrim's
  1192. 45:03autopsy, while she was still
  1193. 45:04unidentified, the Hampton Funeral Home
  1194. 45:07volunteered to claim her body, footing
  1195. 45:09the bill to transport her back from
  1196. 45:10Lexington for a proper service and
  1197. 45:12burial. A department store donated
  1198. 45:15clothes, a navy skirt and a pale blue
  1199. 45:17blouse. Dozens of other businesses and
  1200. 45:19residents donated flower arrangements
  1201. 45:21for the service, including a spray of
  1202. 45:24red carnations to sit on top of her
  1203. 45:26casket. About 60 mourners attended the
  1204. 45:28funeral for a woman that they did not
  1205. 45:30know.
  1206. 45:31People
  1207. 45:33did care about these women. The small
  1208. 45:36Appalachian communities did, even when
  1209. 45:38the police didn't. And that alone gives
  1210. 45:41me hope. I've said it before on the
  1211. 45:43show, but all it takes is for one person
  1212. 45:45to care about it enough to continue to
  1213. 45:48fight for justice. I've said it before,
  1214. 45:50but you can stay annoying and you can
  1215. 45:52contact places and you can fight to keep
  1216. 45:54people's names alive. We are truly in a
  1217. 45:57golden age of DNA testing right now and
  1218. 45:59there's going to be a lot more stories
  1219. 46:01like this making headlines and I want
  1220. 46:03Heart to Start Pounding to be there for
  1221. 46:04every single one of them.
  1222. 46:06>> [music]
  1223. 46:06>> I'm very, very curious to see where this
  1224. 46:08next year takes us in terms of solving
  1225. 46:10cold cases. And now I turn it over to
  1226. 46:12you guys. What is the cold case that you
  1227. 46:14want to see solved? Are there any cold
  1228. 46:15cases from where you live that you're
  1229. 46:17eager to see answers [music] on? And
  1230. 46:19maybe, maybe, maybe there's something
  1231. 46:20that can be done in the near future to
  1232. 46:22help bring justice.
  1233. 46:24And if you want to hear more about this
  1234. 46:26story cuz there is more, you can join me
  1235. 46:27on the High Council tier over on Patreon
  1236. 46:30where on Footnotes, I'm going to be
  1237. 46:31telling you about what didn't make it
  1238. 46:32into the episode and I want to find out
  1239. 46:34as much information as I can on Jerry
  1240. 46:36Johnson's wife and I'm going to put that
  1241. 46:38in the episode. So join me over there
  1242. 46:40for more info. That [music]
  1243. 46:42is all I have for you today. I'm going
  1244. 46:44to be here next week with another
  1245. 46:45episode for you guys. [music] Thank you
  1246. 46:47for joining me here
  1247. 46:48and I'll see you then. Until next time,
  1248. 46:51stay annoying.
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  1260. 47:13you can check it all out with a free
  1261. 47:157-day trial. Link in the bio or go to
  1262. 47:17patreon.com/heartstartspounding. [music]
  1263. 47:20But whatever you do, stay curious.
  1264. 47:24Heart Starts Pounding is written and
  1265. 47:25produced by me, Killa Moore.
  1266. 47:26>> [music]
  1267. 47:26>> Our associate producer is Juno Hobbs.
  1268. 47:28Heart Starts Pounding is also produced
  1269. 47:29by Matt Brown. Additional research and
  1270. 47:31writing by Abigail Cannon. Sound [music]
  1271. 47:33design and mix by Red Room Creative.
  1272. 47:35Video editing by Creative Step. Special
  1273. 47:38thanks to Travis Dunlap, Grayson
  1274. 47:39Jernigan, and the team at WME. [music]
  1275. 47:41Have a heart-pounding story or a case
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