How Hasan Piker Helps Liberal Zionism — Transcript
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- 0:00so I'm sadly very aware of the fact that
- 0:01most of you do not come to the
- 0:03conclusions that you hold about things
- 0:05based on anything more than who's saying
- 0:07it and people are going to just agree
- 0:09with Hassan paker because they like him
- 0:12and they have fallen for the aura that
- 0:14he espouses of him being some sort of
- 0:16like unique special radical who's doing
- 0:18something extremely awesome and
- 0:20important so you're just going to have a
- 0:21predetermined conclusion coming in here
- 0:23that I must defend Hassan paker no
- 0:25matter what and you will not be
- 0:26receptive to anything that does not
- 0:28include like a disclaimer at the end of
- 0:30every sentence talking about how awesome
- 0:32Hassan perer is but that's not going to
- 0:34happen here you aren't going to be CED
- 0:35like a child so I suggest you just leave
- 0:37now either way Hassan paker spreads the
- 0:40ideology of Jewish exceptionalism
- 0:43constantly he leads people away from
- 0:45correctly assessing what needs to be
- 0:46done regarding Israel Palestine and
- 0:48ultimately serves to uphold liberal
- 0:50Zionism in doing so helping to ensure
- 0:53that the problems continue and that if
- 0:55some sort of solution ever actually
- 0:58materializes it will be one that abides
- 1:00by Zionist terms now I've already
- 1:02covered this in a ton of depth before in
- 1:05this video on my main Channel Jewish
- 1:07exceptionalism liberal Zionism Jewish
- 1:09Supremacy how you inadvertedly support
- 1:11Israel in this video I use Owen Jones as
- 1:13the primary example of this but make no
- 1:15mistake this could have been Hanan P
- 1:17quite easily now it would have been a
- 1:19bit harder to use as as an example
- 1:21because he's never said anything quite
- 1:22as obviously stupid and as obviously
- 1:24supportive of Zionism as Owen Jones has
- 1:27but make no mistake he still upholds the
- 1:29this same Jewish exceptionalist ideology
- 1:32that as I show in this video helps to
- 1:34uphold liberal Zionism and nus Jewish
- 1:36Supremacy in Israel so you should just
- 1:38go and watch this video you should just
- 1:40go and watch this video if you actually
- 1:42give a shit about anything here you
- 1:44pause right now and you just go or you
- 1:45just close this video honestly who gives
- 1:47a shit about Hassan perer and you go and
- 1:49watch this video because you'll be able
- 1:51to correctly identify the sort of stuff
- 1:53that I'm going to be talking about here
- 1:55in what Hassan perer does yourself
- 1:58without needing me to point it out to
- 1:59you if you just watch this video I am
- 2:01going to play the relevant parts of this
- 2:04video right here and then I'm going to
- 2:06explain precisely how Hassan perer does
- 2:09precisely what I was talking about here
- 2:11it's going to be fairly long but it's
- 2:12very important cuz if I don't play this
- 2:15I would just end up explaining this to
- 2:16you here in a much less structured way
- 2:18than the way that this video explains it
- 2:20because the alternative is that I would
- 2:23try to give you the cliff notes of this
- 2:24just off the top of my head rather than
- 2:27showing you in a more structured way
- 2:29when I already done the ladder before in
- 2:31this video and I'd rather do it
- 2:33correctly than potentially make some
- 2:35sort of mistake or leave something out
- 2:37so here we go watch all 17 minutes of
- 2:40this right here with me there is a
- 2:42pervasive ideology in Western countries
- 2:44that is core to enabling their support
- 2:46of Israel you've likely felt it though
- 2:48perhaps without actually consciously
- 2:49perceiving it this ideology is the
- 2:51Bedrock through which anything
- 2:53resembling actually effective Action
- 2:55Against The crucial Western backing for
- 2:56the state of Israel is nipped in the bud
- 2:58long before it can even really get close
- 3:00to getting anywhere it enforces a narrow
- 3:02spectrum of acceptable anti-israel
- 3:04discourse excluding from the majority of
- 3:06the public sphere anything that runs
- 3:08counter to Israel's underlying Jewish
- 3:10supremacist ideological framework known
- 3:12as Zionism and it's so successful in
- 3:14this role that it even often leads
- 3:16genuinely well-meaning people who want
- 3:18to be Pro Palestinian into upholding
- 3:20what are ultimately Zionist positions it
- 3:22also even leads them into attacking
- 3:24others who do hold anti-zionist
- 3:26positions with smears of anti-Semitism
- 3:28creating a cycle where large parts of
- 3:30the pro Palestinian movement spend time
- 3:31and effort on obediently policing
- 3:33themselves into complete impotency this
- 3:35ideology is not often noticed let alone
- 3:38actually talked about so it doesn't have
- 3:39a commonly used name so allow me to coin
- 3:41one Jewish exceptionalism this term can
- 3:43be understood literally it's the idea
- 3:45that Israel and its underpinning Zionist
- 3:47ideology are uniquely Justified because
- 3:50they are conceived of as being Jewish
- 3:51Jews are considered by this Jewish
- 3:53exceptionalist framework to be a special
- 3:55group of people one that is practically
- 3:57innately oppressed and this supposed
- 3:59innate oppress is used to spread the
- 4:01notion that Israel as the self-described
- 4:03Jewish State needs to be given a special
- 4:05exception from standards otherwise
- 4:07widely accepted as normal this has
- 4:09become something of a taken for granted
- 4:11Common Sense notion in many Western
- 4:13countries basically like the sun rising
- 4:14in the morning and once you really start
- 4:16perceiving it and thinking about it you
- 4:17see it everywhere this video is going to
- 4:19be dissecting this idea of Jewish
- 4:21exceptionalism explaining how it
- 4:23manifests how it functions and why going
- 4:25over a number of different examples to
- 4:26do so so let's begin here with some
- 4:28general examples of what we're talking
- 4:30about to help you get a grasp on it
- 4:32usually a country founded in living
- 4:34memory on the mass expulsion and killing
- 4:36of most of the prior population would be
- 4:38considered quite illegitimate and the
- 4:40victims of this barbarity widely
- 4:42supported in their pursuit of justice
- 4:43and restitution yet in the west Israel's
- 4:46founding is instead often framed as an
- 4:48act of self-determination of Liberation
- 4:50and even of Justice reality is reversed
- 4:53with the victims of this framed as evil
- 4:55and anti-semitic themselves for daring
- 4:57to continue to lay claim to what's been
- 4:59from them simply because their
- 5:01victimizers happen to be Jewish the idea
- 5:03that any other country should
- 5:04specifically be run for the benefit of
- 5:06one single racial or ethnic group what
- 5:08is known as an ethnostate would normally
- 5:10cause revulsion among many but for
- 5:11Israel this is framed entirely
- 5:13differently as both Justified and a
- 5:15necessity something that is usually just
- 5:16totally unquestioned and you'd expect
- 5:18that Decades of brutal occupation of
- 5:20millions of people which is so clear as
- 5:21day and obvious that even Israel's own
- 5:23allies have been forced to admit that
- 5:25it's an occupier a at least in part
- 5:26would usually be talked about bluntly
- 5:28matter of factly succinctly without
- 5:30mincing words and it would be normal to
- 5:32frame those who fight against this as
- 5:34being in the right and yet those who
- 5:35fight back against Israel are actually
- 5:37instead denounced in the west regardless
- 5:39of the actual circumstances and even
- 5:41mild acknowledgement of what Israel does
- 5:42to its victims is commonly prefaced with
- 5:44a flurry of ritualistically repeated
- 5:46phrases like denouncing anti-Semitism
- 5:48affirming that the Israeli occupy state
- 5:50has a right to exist and a right to
- 5:52defend itself and outright denouncing
- 5:54those who resist it there's also more
- 5:55subtle ways in which this Jewish
- 5:57exceptionalism manifests for example the
- 5:59way the Pro Palestinian movement itself
- 6:01often feels obliged to seek approval
- 6:03from Jewish people and tends to put its
- 6:04Jewish members on a pedestal going to
- 6:06pains toat to them this is a practice
- 6:08that would make absolutely no sense
- 6:10outside of the framework of Jewish
- 6:11exceptionalism since it's otherwise
- 6:13completely nonsensical to seek approval
- 6:14and validation to denounce an ethnostate
- 6:16from people who happen to be from the
- 6:18dominant ethnic group of said
- 6:19ethnostates similarly arguments are
- 6:20often had about what percentage of
- 6:22Jewish people worldwide a zionists and
- 6:24support Israel as if to say that whether
- 6:25Zionism and Israel are acceptable or not
- 6:28depends on what people who are of the
- 6:29group that Zionism exists to benefit
- 6:31think of it it's only due to Jewish
- 6:33exceptionalism that arguments like this
- 6:35can seem reasonable rather than insane
- 6:37as the reality is that even if every
- 6:39single Jewish person was a Zionist it
- 6:40would still be a fundamentally abhorent
- 6:42ideology once you remove that element
- 6:44the argument makes about as much sense
- 6:45as going back to Germany in 1940 and
- 6:47saying that Nazism was legitimate
- 6:49because a majority of Germans supported
- 6:51it you know you'd think that it would
- 6:52make more sense to pull the victims
- 6:53rather than the potential beneficiaries
- 6:55those are just some of the examples of
- 6:57how this manifests the fundamental
- 6:58Bedrock of all of those examples is the
- 7:00assumption that Israel must be conceived
- 7:02of differently and be considered a
- 7:03special exception to normal standards
- 7:05because its majority Jewish and
- 7:06throughout this video we're going to be
- 7:08going over and dissecting many more
- 7:10examples that are much more specific
- 7:11than those but suffice to say this
- 7:13heavily limits how we talk about Israel
- 7:15and ultimately serves to lead people
- 7:17away from understanding the meat and
- 7:18bones of why Israel is how it is and the
- 7:20root causes of the things that it does
- 7:21which in turn prevents us from even
- 7:23thinking about fighting against it as
- 7:25effectively as possible and that's
- 7:26precisely why Jewish exceptionalism is
- 7:28enforced Jewish exception ism is spread
- 7:30and used by the Western media Western
- 7:32governments NOS lobbying groups
- 7:34activists and other such allies to
- 7:36enforce so-called liberal or left
- 7:38Zionism as the allowed mainstream limit
- 7:40of respectable left-leaning opinion on
- 7:43the Israel Palestine issue these liberal
- 7:45Zionist positions are then presented by
- 7:47them as actually being pro Palestinian
- 7:49and any notion that this may not
- 7:51actually be the case is kept as far out
- 7:52of frame as possible this in turn
- 7:54ensures that the ideology of Jewish
- 7:56Supremacy that is inherent to Zionism
- 7:58can continue in the land of Palestine
- 8:00because liberal or left Zionism is still
- 8:02Zionism so it's still completely on
- 8:04board with the Jewish supremacist
- 8:05fundamentals of the Israeli
- 8:06ethnonationalist projects which are the
- 8:08entire root of the problem I need a
- 8:10quicker aside here to explain what
- 8:11liberal Zionism and left Zionism are
- 8:13before moving on and I'll be going into
- 8:14further depth on this later as well
- 8:16these ideologies that seek to blend
- 8:18supposedly liberal or left-wing
- 8:20principles with Zionism but that means
- 8:22that they still fundamentally believe in
- 8:23the innately repressive and unjust
- 8:25founding tenants of Zionism in the state
- 8:27of Israel namely that it should and must
- 8:29be estate that exists to benefit those
- 8:31it considers Jewish over others and that
- 8:33it thus must give special privileges to
- 8:34those considered to be a part of that
- 8:35group and that it must take active
- 8:37measures to ensure that it maintains a
- 8:39sizable Jewish ethnic majority as a
- 8:40matter of official policy regardless of
- 8:42who else is harmed by this this is an
- 8:44innately genocidal ideology given that
- 8:46it requires that the previous Society be
- 8:48practically erased in order for it to be
- 8:50implemented but liberal and left
- 8:51zionists feel kind of bad about the fact
- 8:53that their ethnic supremacist Ambitions
- 8:55necessarily come at the expense of
- 8:56Palestinians who had to be expelled and
- 8:58murdered on mass to enable the this
- 8:59project to exist and since these victims
- 9:01have refused to go quietly refusing to
- 9:03renounce their claim to their Homeland
- 9:04and continuing to fight back against
- 9:06Israel Israel has also needed to keep
- 9:08oppressing them so that its
- 9:09ethnonationalist project can continue so
- 9:11liberal and left zionists attempt to
- 9:12assage the guilt they feel for this by
- 9:14advocating for marginally better
- 9:15treatment of Palestinians but only
- 9:16within the heavily limited confines that
- 9:18their overarching Zionist belief system
- 9:20allows them it's also very common that
- 9:22their main point of opposition to this
- 9:23is actually that they think it's bad for
- 9:25Israel not necessarily that they think
- 9:26it hurts Palestinians so they may
- 9:28believe that the worst imp forces of
- 9:29Israel like its expansion into the West
- 9:31Bank or its attacks on Gaza are unjust
- 9:33but they are certainly not for
- 9:34addressing the actual root of the
- 9:35problem of Palestinian oppression which
- 9:36causes such actions in the first place
- 9:38the fact that a state fundamentally
- 9:40built on land fft and the subsequent
- 9:41exclusion of the prior population run by
- 9:43and for one group of people at the
- 9:45expense of another is never going to be
- 9:47anything but repulsive and unacceptable
- 9:48so liberal zionists despite sometimes
- 9:50appearing as allies still seek to
- 9:52maintain the systems that are the Crux
- 9:54of the problem of the Palestinian
- 9:55question though this can be harder to
- 9:56notice than it is with open and honest
- 9:58Zionist since they tend to mask it
- 10:00behind softer rhetoric this makes
- 10:01liberal zionists some of the most
- 10:03dangerous enemies of the struggle for
- 10:04justice for Palestinians because more
- 10:06outright and open zionists are a lot
- 10:08easier to notice and fight against as
- 10:09they proudly announce Jewish Supremacy
- 10:11as their ultimate goal but liberal
- 10:12zionists are something of a wolf and
- 10:13sheep's clothing as they hide their
- 10:15pursuit of very similar aims behind a
- 10:17fin coat of humanitarian paint so you
- 10:19need to already be somewhat intimately
- 10:21familiar with the Palestinian cause
- 10:22before you are knowledgeable enough to
- 10:24be able to see through the fenir of
- 10:25empathy and identify liberal and left
- 10:27zionists as the enemies who they
- 10:28actually are which results in many
- 10:30well-meaning potentially Pro Palestinian
- 10:32people being duped by them stuff like
- 10:34saying occupation is bad and the IDF
- 10:36goes too far in Gaza are very
- 10:37entry-level positions easy to understand
- 10:39and digest those acts are obviously
- 10:41unacceptable they hurt people they
- 10:43shouldn't happen but understanding why
- 10:45those things happen and thus being able
- 10:46to actually effectively Advocate against
- 10:48them requires a real anti-zionist
- 10:51anti-colonial framework that elucidates
- 10:53the source of the problem and that's how
- 10:54liberal and left zionists lead people
- 10:56astray because many of them are okay
- 10:57with proclaiming their opposition to
- 10:59Israel's worst actions which can on the
- 11:00surface make them seem like allies but
- 11:03they very much support and work to
- 11:04maintain the root causes of said actions
- 11:06and that's precisely why they are
- 11:08painted as actually being pro
- 11:09Palestinian in the mainstream to funnel
- 11:11potential Pro Palestinian energy into an
- 11:12ideology that in reality is very much
- 11:15pro-israel and thus anti- Palestinian
- 11:17exposing people to actual Pro
- 11:19Palestinian ideas with any regularity
- 11:20would risk getting them too close to
- 11:22diagnosing the actual problem which
- 11:24eventually could potentially compromise
- 11:25Western support of Israel and they can't
- 11:27have that in short the idea is to limit
- 11:29us to at most denouncing what Israel
- 11:31does and not what Israel is they will
- 11:34begrudgingly allow us to denounce what
- 11:35it does in order to maintain a faux Aura
- 11:38of Reason debate existing in Western
- 11:39Society on the issue provided that we
- 11:41never quite get to the root of why it's
- 11:43always been doing it so we can say blame
- 11:46Netanyahu and the Israeli farri right
- 11:47for the Gaza genocide but we can't go
- 11:49any further and Link it to the source
- 11:51the ethnonationalism and colonialism
- 11:53that is inherent to Israel's overarching
- 11:55ideology of Zionism which practically
- 11:56all Israelis adhere to not just
- 11:58Netanyahu and these limits on our speech
- 12:00are mainly achieved through the
- 12:02enforcement of Jewish exceptionalism
- 12:04okay Eli that's that's more than enough
- 12:06so yes I'm well aware that Hassan LLY
- 12:09proclaims himself as a supporter of the
- 12:10one state solution and that well at
- 12:12least when criticizing Ethan Klein he
- 12:14calls out liberal Zionism but those are
- 12:16words those are slogans they aren't
- 12:18practice in practice he upholds this
- 12:21framework of Jewish exceptionalism and
- 12:23leads people astray from identifying
- 12:25what the actual problems are and from
- 12:27being able to even conceive of them let
- 12:28alone and effectively fight them and
- 12:31this is a post also from people who are
- 12:33his fans so the the people who posted
- 12:36this also clearly thought that this was
- 12:38um like a really good thing that he did
- 12:40here it was a good thing for him to say
- 12:42it was a good thing for him to post and
- 12:44the context of them posting this is
- 12:45basically like Ethan Klein constantly
- 12:48like accuses Hassan perer of like not
- 12:50caring about Israelis not caring about
- 12:52Israeli voices and stuff like that now a
- 12:55non-jewish exceptionalist response to
- 12:57that sort of rhetoric would be just say
- 12:59I don't give a shit about Israeli voices
- 13:01why would I specifically care about
- 13:04Israeli voices in the context of
- 13:06Israelis oppressing Palestinians for
- 13:09their own benefit it's a ridiculous
- 13:11proposition but Hassan and his fans
- 13:13don't respond to the allegation in that
- 13:15way the way that they respond to it is
- 13:17instead to say no here are all these
- 13:20examples of Hassan caring about Israelis
- 13:22and caring about Israeli perspective and
- 13:25and humanizing Israelis basically
- 13:27responding on the terms of Jewish
- 13:29exceptionalism rather than correctly
- 13:31responding with who fucking cares about
- 13:34what they think it's ultimately
- 13:35irrelevant what the people who benefit
- 13:38from Israel think about it we don't need
- 13:40their permission or their validation nor
- 13:42do we need to uplift the two or three
- 13:44people among them who are actually
- 13:45anti-zionists it's pure weaponization of
- 13:48liberal identity politics to uphold
- 13:50Jewish exceptionalism but they don't
- 13:52respond in that way rather they respond
- 13:53like this listen to this 8 years old I
- 13:56put a note in this is really important
- 13:59for people to watch and understand okay
- 14:01especially because the overwhelming
- 14:03majority of people in this chat no
- 14:05matter how hard they lar are not fucking
- 14:07like gorilla Fighters or resistance uh
- 14:10members or aren't even in like Lebanon
- 14:13or Gaza okay the largest chunk of this
- 14:17community are westerners specifically in
- 14:20America or living in the Western World
- 14:22in developed Nations the people that you
- 14:25encounter and the people that you talk
- 14:27to about these issues is especially if
- 14:29they are Jewish it is important to
- 14:32understand their
- 14:38background dear God you see what I mean
- 14:42it is important to understand how
- 14:44radicalization occurs in this fucking in
- 14:48in this environment that we grew up in
- 14:51okay that is the reason why this is
- 14:54important to watch it is important to
- 14:56understand it is important to empathize
- 14:59uh with with people that you are
- 15:02directly at odds with okay many of you
- 15:06have gone through a similar journey and
- 15:09have taken
- 15:10bigoted opinions for granted as a direct
- 15:14consequence of your Social conditioning
- 15:17whether it be unconditional support and
- 15:19defense of Israel or whether it be
- 15:22transphobia or okay so this is pure and
- 15:25unadulterated liberal idealism let me
- 15:27explain to you why isra and Zionist Jews
- 15:30who aren't Israelis support Israel not
- 15:33because they have been misled into
- 15:34having bigoted views in the way that say
- 15:36like a working class white person would
- 15:38be misled into supporting Donald Trump
- 15:40that workingclass white person is being
- 15:42lied to they're being told that
- 15:44supporting Donald Trump is better for
- 15:45them when actually supporting Donald
- 15:47Trump is worse for them they have been
- 15:48fed into advocating for the interests of
- 15:51those whose interests are actually not
- 15:53aligned with theirs this is not the case
- 15:55with Israel Israel is an ethno state run
- 15:59by Jews for Jews Jews benefit and profit
- 16:03handsomely from Zionism from upholding
- 16:07the state of Israel they get free
- 16:09citizenship they get to go and live in
- 16:11someone else's house on someone else's
- 16:12land they get a relatively very high
- 16:15standard of living and all of this comes
- 16:17at the cost of the Palestinian people so
- 16:19to frame them as like victims of
- 16:21propaganda who are misled and to act
- 16:23like we need to specifically understand
- 16:25their lived experience or whatever as
- 16:28Jews is completely out of line with the
- 16:30actual reality they don't need to be
- 16:33propagandized into thinking this is
- 16:35great for them because they live it
- 16:37Israelis and zionists do not believe in
- 16:39Zionist propaganda because they've been
- 16:41fooled into advocating for something
- 16:43that is ultimately against their
- 16:44interest it's the complete opposite they
- 16:46support Zionism because Zionism is good
- 16:49for them they know it's good for them it
- 16:52really is good for them Israel truly is
- 16:54a so-called Jewish democracy in that it
- 16:57is democratic if you're Jewish in that
- 17:00it represents you and your interests if
- 17:03you're Jewish talking about them here as
- 17:05if they they're misled into actually
- 17:08advocating for the piggy piggy
- 17:09capitalists when that's simply not the
- 17:10case at all they aren't being misled for
- 17:13them what you perceive as propaganda is
- 17:16entertainment like you need to think
- 17:17about the Jewish lived experience fan
- 17:19you need to think about them growing up
- 17:21with propaganda you need to empathize
- 17:23with them and sympathize with them
- 17:24because you were in the same you were in
- 17:26the same position once now for most of
- 17:28you that's simply not the case and this
- 17:30is completely incorrect but you know you
- 17:34need to think about what Jewish people
- 17:36think because they are special they have
- 17:38a special experience after all they're
- 17:41Jewish to frame the Jews as somehow
- 17:44victims of propaganda when it comes to
- 17:46Israel is a total Croc of shit you can't
- 17:48be a victim of something that benefits
- 17:49you and I have another video about this
- 17:52on my main Channel called the truth
- 17:54about Israel it's not just Netanyahu
- 17:57explaining specifically how Israelis
- 18:00support Israel not because they're
- 18:01propaganda victims but because it's good
- 18:04for them they know that it hurts
- 18:05Palestinians and ultimately they are
- 18:07either okay with that or they outright
- 18:09support it because what they care about
- 18:11is that it benefits them and it's
- 18:13incredibly disappointing not just that
- 18:15Hassan perer says this but that his fans
- 18:18use this as an example of him supposedly
- 18:21saying something that's right and
- 18:23ultimately abiding by the Jewish
- 18:24exceptionalist framework of his
- 18:26opponents and thus helping to uphold
- 18:29liberal Zionism because make no mistake
- 18:31what this documentary that is referring
- 18:32to to here israelism is basically about
- 18:35is Hardcore radical zionists finding out
- 18:38that Israel does bad things in the West
- 18:40Bank and becoming liberal zionists
- 18:42instead and it is sadly not at all
- 18:44surprising to me that Hassan uses this
- 18:46as an example of how Zionist Jews are
- 18:50supposedly victims of propaganda again
- 18:52you can't be a victim of something that
- 18:54you want to believe in Because deep down
- 18:57you understand that believing in it
- 18:59deres great material benefits for you
- 19:02now for some more context I directly
- 19:04called out Hanan for this on my YouTube
- 19:06Community page where I said I will
- 19:09fucking puke if I see Hassan paker say I
- 19:12invite Israelis onto my broadcast all
- 19:14the time or tell us how we need to
- 19:16empathize and and humanize Israelis who
- 19:18are victims of propaganda themselves
- 19:19again Jewish exception is liberal
- 19:21Zionist Dil validating the idea that we
- 19:23need approval from tokens among the
- 19:25enemy to oppose them just because
- 19:26they're Jewish and painting Zionist is
- 19:28being misled victims rather than the
- 19:30reality where they're enthusiastically
- 19:32and willingly pursuing their own
- 19:33interest for material gain at the cost
- 19:34of Palestinians sickening and Hassan
- 19:37left a comment responding to this which
- 19:39I'm not going to beat around the bush
- 19:40it's word sell this is a sort of thing
- 19:42that if you had like a mildly prop
- 19:44Palestinian PR manager they would tell
- 19:46you to post exactly this it's utterly
- 19:48meaningless word salad let me read it
- 19:50the struggle is
- 19:52multifaceted internal pressure plays a
- 19:54role I will not back away from
- 19:56contextualizing the role resistance
- 19:59plays in emancipation but I also won't
- 20:02immedately discard those who have
- 20:03agreements with me on that especially
- 20:05when I have relied on their
- 20:06investigative reporting I've used
- 20:09yuval's work at 9 at 972 magazine in the
- 20:12past it's important not to take honest
- 20:14reporting and the bodies that Israeli
- 20:16Jewish allies put forth to protect
- 20:18Palestinians for granted even if we have
- 20:20disagreements okay first things first
- 20:23what bodies are Israeli Jewish allies
- 20:25putting forward to protect Palestinians
- 20:27there's like two of them and the Uval gu
- 20:30in question is not one of them to be
- 20:31clear we'll get to that in a minute
- 20:33you've used yuval's work at 9 at 972 in
- 20:35the past so let me bring you up the
- 20:37speed of some context 972 magazine is an
- 20:39overtly liberal Zionist newspaper in
- 20:42Israel which got famous by saying things
- 20:44that Palestinians were saying like a
- 20:46year later I've cited it myself as well
- 20:48in the past but I've also cited the
- 20:50fucking New York Times I've cited The
- 20:52Washington Post citing something does
- 20:54not mean that you need to like praise
- 20:57the person who is writing it that you
- 20:59need to uphold them as allies or
- 21:00whatever because this Yuval Abraham guy
- 21:02he's not an ally at all and the first
- 21:04part is basically uh just complete
- 21:07liberal word salad he says I won't
- 21:08immediately discard those who have
- 21:10disagreements with me on that you don't
- 21:11need to like appeal to them as people
- 21:13you don't need to bef friend them as
- 21:15people not treating them as special
- 21:16beings who have something special to say
- 21:18just because they're Israeli and Jewish
- 21:20it's not the same thing as citing some
- 21:21article they contributed to what 972
- 21:24magazine has done is basically the same
- 21:25as what heret does like a year or two
- 21:28after Palestinians have been saying this
- 21:30is happening to us this is happening to
- 21:32us they will come out with some sort of
- 21:33supposed expose where like an unnamed
- 21:36IDE of source tells them the same thing
- 21:37that Palestinians have been saying has
- 21:39been happening for years with video
- 21:41proof and stuff and they will be like
- 21:43this unnamed IDF source told us this and
- 21:45they all present that as if now that a
- 21:47Jewish guy has said so it's validated
- 21:50now this can be worth like citing as
- 21:52like additional evidence on top of
- 21:54everything else but it doesn't warrant
- 21:56like specific praise in the framing of
- 21:58the people right in it as allies cuz
- 21:59they are not allies they fundamentally
- 22:01want different things to what you
- 22:03yourself say that you want you know
- 22:04these are like liberal two status the
- 22:06these are people who will say Netanyahu
- 22:08is going too far in Gaza as I said in
- 22:11the Jewish exceptionalism video that we
- 22:13went over a second ago or the West Bank
- 22:16settlements are bad but fundamentally
- 22:18they're still zionists and while they
- 22:19may sometimes produce work that is
- 22:22useful to SES that does not make them an
- 22:24ally certainly not anymore than it makes
- 22:26a New York Times report in my Ally when
- 22:28they like grudgingly report that say the
- 22:30USA interfered in Venezuela or something
- 22:32so the context on this yuil Abraham
- 22:34thing is that yuil Abraham is this
- 22:36Israeli liberal Zionist filmmaker or
- 22:40calling him a filmmaker is very generous
- 22:42the only reason that he can be called a
- 22:43filmmaker is because he's leeched of
- 22:44Palestinians and that is a fact and
- 22:46Assan P when he interviewed the creators
- 22:48of NOA land he made a point to
- 22:50specifically point out how awesome and
- 22:53valuable yel Abraham is specifically for
- 22:55being an Israeli and of course this
- 22:57Hassan p a cult sub
- 22:59made sure to specifically point that out
- 23:01in response to Ethan Klein's idiocy
- 23:03saying but Hassan pker didn't even
- 23:06acknowledge the contribution of the
- 23:07Israeli to this is to point to Hassan
- 23:10specifically acknowledging the Epic
- 23:12contribution of the Israeli to this as
- 23:14if that makes you know the fact that
- 23:15he's he's an Israeli collaborating on
- 23:17this makes him special it's the complete
- 23:18wrong way to respond again the way to
- 23:20respond to that is who fucking cares we
- 23:22don't need the approval of some Israeli
- 23:24to post evidence of Palestinian
- 23:26oppression give me a fucking break so
- 23:28here specifically the part that was the
- 23:30worst but I mean the whole thing is
- 23:31pretty bad about that actually because
- 23:34so jual Abraham played a role in this uh
- 23:36in the making of This documentary I've
- 23:38actually uh uh really admired his work
- 23:42uh for a long time at 972 magazine local
- 23:45calls another one that do does a lot of
- 23:47investigative reporting on all of the uh
- 23:50horrible things that the Israeli
- 23:51military is doing so you know singling
- 23:54out like the contribution of this sort
- 23:57of is Israeli guy who is only here
- 24:00because without an Israeli a token
- 24:02Israeli there a lot of people will not
- 24:04feel comfortable even acknowledging the
- 24:06the existence of a movie like this
- 24:08that's the entire reason he's here
- 24:09that's what his role is you know there's
- 24:11like this ridiculous question that
- 24:13Hassan posed in this interview as well
- 24:15for example where he makes sure to point
- 24:17out the importance of the Israeli allies
- 24:19as if they need to be singled out for
- 24:21specific praise just because they are
- 24:22Israelis like the two of them who exist
- 24:25like that makes them special and worthy
- 24:27of this sort of specific praise as if
- 24:29for one they are at all indicative of
- 24:31Israelis in general they are not and for
- 24:33two as if they're even worth mentioning
- 24:35when they're are millions of
- 24:37Palestinians doing way more than they
- 24:38are so why even bring them up aside from
- 24:41Jewish exceptionalism aside from like
- 24:44this sort of weasly little attempt to
- 24:45frame israeli's potential allies and
- 24:47lead people away from the real way to
- 24:50fight the problem here which is sadly as
- 24:52much as it might pain you to admit
- 24:54fighting against the Israelis not
- 24:56appealing to them as potential allies
- 24:58not reasoned argument to bring them to
- 25:00our side if you don't think that's how
- 25:01you fight Nazis then that's not how you
- 25:03fight zionists I'm sorry it's the same
- 25:05thing I'm not sorry actually you
- 25:07shouldn't need to be apologized to all
- 25:09the time to when you're having shit said
- 25:11to you frankly like this question I have
- 25:13I guess is um there are obviously uh
- 25:17Jewish Israelis he made he brought this
- 25:19up himself by the way he brought this up
- 25:21no one was no one else was talking about
- 25:23this who put their bodies on the line as
- 25:25well do you feel like that is uh given
- 25:29the the ethnos supremacist values that
- 25:33uh zionists have or given the ethnos
- 25:35supremacist values that Israel has do
- 25:38you feel
- 25:39like when uh when there are Jewish
- 25:42activists side by side with you that
- 25:44they there is less harm in
- 25:47general well they sometimes been
- 25:50attacked and arrested a lot of times but
- 25:53we are the pal like they don't face what
- 25:57we face as a Palestinian
- 25:59uh in most of the cases because you know
- 26:02in the end of the day they have the
- 26:03privilege because they are Israelis
- 26:05they're they're like some of them are
- 26:08our friends you know and we we we talk
- 26:11every day and we work together and go to
- 26:13the field but still they are Israelis
- 26:15they know that they have the the
- 26:17privilege and not necessarily you know
- 26:20you know they like in a lot of cases uh
- 26:23there was Israeli Israeli activists and
- 26:26it's still the would be the same for
- 26:29example in Bor in uh beta where American
- 26:34activists were shot in the head and
- 26:35killed and there was other like American
- 26:38activist yeah American activists the
- 26:40Turkish American and and Israeli
- 26:42activists who were like side by side
- 26:44with here and Palestinians and still the
- 26:46same in M almost all sometimes it would
- 26:50make the harm less depends on the
- 26:53situation but sometime like most of the
- 26:55times no you know so I mean the guy
- 26:58basically shuts him down completely
- 27:00there in his attempt to insert the
- 27:02importance of the token Israelis into
- 27:04the conversation so yeah I just wanted
- 27:06to bring that up because this is even
- 27:07worse than him specifically bringing up
- 27:08Yuval and it's weird by the way that he
- 27:11specifically brought up Yuval Abraham
- 27:12cuz Yuval Abraham isn't actually here
- 27:14none of these three guys are him so like
- 27:16Hassan specifically wanted to bring up
- 27:18like the Israeli like co-director here
- 27:22it's just W weird right weird wild and I
- 27:26think this part specific spefically also
- 27:29sort of illustrates a wi point that I'm
- 27:31making here in that these guys clearly
- 27:34do not want this token isra uile Abraham
- 27:37and to be clear this is not simply about
- 27:39him this is about wider issues about how
- 27:42and why this sort of thing needs to be
- 27:44done because it's indicative of pushing
- 27:46people towards liberal Zionism and
- 27:48ultimately upholding Zionism but you
- 27:50know they clearly do not want to need
- 27:52this token liberal Zionist Israeli to
- 27:55coign on what was ultimately their work
- 27:58to take credit for it was ultimately
- 28:00their work to insert himself into what
- 28:02is ultimately their suffering to have to
- 28:04have a representative of what is
- 28:06ultimately the enemy group amongst
- 28:08themselves they don't want that but
- 28:09they're forced into doing it and this
- 28:11sort of thing is upheld by people like
- 28:13Hassan whether he realizes or not
- 28:15whether he means to do so or not and by
- 28:17upholding it Zionism is strengthened
- 28:19Zionism is reinforced it's not simply
- 28:22rhetoric it's not simply Optics it is
- 28:24real practical consequences and the fact
- 28:27that we have this Israeli liberal
- 28:29Zionist there means for one the film
- 28:32itself had to be heavily watered down to
- 28:34only focus on like the West Bank and
- 28:36focus on things through like the eyes of
- 28:38an Israeli and it also means that what
- 28:41this film actually means what it should
- 28:43be about you know the oppression of the
- 28:45Palestinian people by Israelis one group
- 28:47is the slain another group are the
- 28:49Slayers remember that it is changed from
- 28:52that into some sort of nauseating
- 28:55message about supposed unity and like
- 28:57the fate of these two peoples being
- 28:58intertwined and both groups somehow
- 29:00being victims when that's simply not the
- 29:03point not actually the case at all the
- 29:05Israelis are victimizers not victims
- 29:07there's a a segment on this written by
- 29:10Muhammad Al kurur someone who if Hassan
- 29:13perer wants to actually get an effective
- 29:16real anti-zionist HTI stream should
- 29:18consider inviting on this is from
- 29:19Muhammad Al cord's book released on
- 29:22January 7th 2015 called perfect victims
- 29:25in the politics of appeal specifically
- 29:27about this cuz what happened with Noah
- 29:29verland is a pervasive practice this
- 29:32co-production thing where Whenever there
- 29:35is anything by Palestinians and Israeli
- 29:38has to be included so that liberals can
- 29:40sort of have their little awe look
- 29:43there's Unity between the oppressor and
- 29:45the oppressed sort of Feelgood moment
- 29:47where they can insulate themselves from
- 29:49the reality where Israelis are enemies
- 29:51to be fought rather than potential
- 29:52allies to be convinced and brought to
- 29:54your side and avoid the reality where
- 29:57they will need to be Co worse into
- 29:58submission because ultimately Zionism is
- 30:00great for them and they have no real
- 30:01reason to oppose it because why would
- 30:03you oppose something that gets you a
- 30:04free house and extremely high standard
- 30:06of living rather than reinforce it so
- 30:09alur writes take the genre of Israelis
- 30:11and Palestinians making films together
- 30:14the Palestinian filmmaker is chaperoned
- 30:16to the film festival allowed on stage as
- 30:19the retive co- signatory's charismatic
- 30:21sidekick no one not the producer of the
- 30:24festival not the columnist writing a
- 30:26review seems to car about this content
- 30:28of the film whether it's good or Garbage
- 30:31what matters is that the film was
- 30:32co-directed a mode that satisfies a
- 30:34libidinal urge in the viewers they EAS
- 30:36drop on a foreign conversation a
- 30:39titilating Reconciliation between the
- 30:41Slayer and the slain discussions about
- 30:43the film reviews the way is promoted and
- 30:45are excited elevated pictures to one
- 30:47another all become masturbatory reducing
- 30:50the film to the fact that it was a
- 30:51collaboration between Israeli and a
- 30:52Palestinian fulfilling the viewer
- 30:54fantasy of a happy ending to an
- 30:56otherwise miserable we turn it into a
- 30:58fetish this has been done so many times
- 31:00before that it could be accurately
- 31:03predicted before it even happened in
- 31:04this book and because of this nauseating
- 31:07practice this film that should not have
- 31:10been about Israelis at all or included
- 31:12an Israeli at all includes one and
- 31:14allows him to steal the show to get on
- 31:17stage when a Palestinian film wins an
- 31:19Oscar and spout nauseating disgusting
- 31:22liberal Zionist bullshit so we get a
- 31:24Palestinian who speaks frankly and Cally
- 31:27and then his Israeli co-director gets to
- 31:30speak for even longer spouting liberal
- 31:32Zionist rubbish
- 31:37listen we we made this we made this film
- 31:42Palestinians and Israelis remember what
- 31:44we just read Palestinians and Israelis
- 31:47It's All About Us supposedly being
- 31:49united in the struggle we're the same
- 31:51we're in this together when they're not
- 31:54the fact that the victim is
- 31:55collaborating with the victimizer is
- 31:57specific speciically upheld and put
- 31:59above everything else and it's fucking
- 32:01disgusting it all becomes that it all
- 32:04becomes about that rather than the
- 32:05actual content of the film because
- 32:07together our voices are
- 32:10stronger fuck
- 32:12off we we we see each
- 32:16other the atrocious destruction of Gaza
- 32:19and its people which must end the
- 32:21Israeli hostages brutally
- 32:23taking so because of this fucking
- 32:25ridiculous co- collaboration thing where
- 32:29Palestinians need the stamp of approval
- 32:31of a token Israeli to even be able to
- 32:33get any attention on their oppression we
- 32:35get this liberal Zionist fuckhead
- 32:36talking about the hostages the settler
- 32:39colonists on the Gaza border and how and
- 32:41how they are poor little victims and
- 32:43drawing equivalences between this and
- 32:45the genocide of Gaza in the crime of
- 32:47October 7th which must be in the crime
- 32:48of October 7th half of a speech on a
- 32:52film about is the Israeli genocide of
- 32:55Palestinians is about how Israeli are
- 32:58victims too because this motherfucker is
- 33:00here on the stage this motherfucker
- 33:02Hanan did not question at all in fact he
- 33:03praised him and talked about how
- 33:05important it is to have him there when I
- 33:07look at Basel I see my brother but we
- 33:10are
- 33:11unequal we live in a regime where I am
- 33:14free under civilian law and Basel is
- 33:16under military laws that this is
- 33:17specifically just thir announcement of
- 33:19the West Bank what he's talking about
- 33:20there is the system the legal system in
- 33:23the West Bank as I said liberal Zionism
- 33:26fools you with shit like this destroy
- 33:29his life and he cannot control there is
- 33:31a different path a political solution
- 33:35without ethnic Supremacy with national
- 33:38rights for both of our people without
- 33:40ethnic Supremacy with national rights
- 33:43for both of our people National without
- 33:46ethic Supremacy but with national rights
- 33:49what does that mean obviously it's a
- 33:52two-state solution with a division on
- 33:54ethnic lines is what he's advocating for
- 33:56there Israelis don't ve any national
- 33:58rights give me a fucking break National
- 34:01rights for
- 34:03Israelis and I have to say as I'm here
- 34:06the foreign policy in this country is
- 34:09helping to block this path what was done
- 34:11here is like a supposed white Ally
- 34:13getting up on stage and like in the same
- 34:16breath as announcing like lynchings of
- 34:18black Americans bringing up like black
- 34:20attacks on white people and like the
- 34:23problem of anti-white racism or
- 34:24something it just really is that bad and
- 34:26if you don't perceive it as such that's
- 34:28the whole problem that's Jewish
- 34:30exceptionalism
- 34:34and you know this is all just liberal
- 34:37Zionist fucking Dil and it's it's it's I
- 34:41wouldn't say it's disappointing because
- 34:42I wouldn't have expected it from H son
- 34:44but it's sad that he did not call this
- 34:46out when he had the chance to what he
- 34:48should have said is why are you here why
- 34:50do you need to be here we should aim for
- 34:53a future where you don't need to be here
- 34:55where Palestinians do not need the stamp
- 34:57of a approval of a talentless token
- 34:59Israeli to get what what is happening to
- 35:01them out into the world Hassan should be
- 35:03advocating against that Hassan should be
- 35:05fighting back and pushing back against
- 35:07it if he really was like this Pro
- 35:09Palestinian radical that he frames
- 35:11himself as he should be helping to move
- 35:13the needle to make sure that this sort
- 35:15of thing slowly but surely dissipates
- 35:17and Fades away to make sure that Jewish
- 35:19exceptionalism dissipates and Fades away
- 35:21because while his fans love to make
- 35:23excuses for him by saying that he's like
- 35:25part of a pipeline or something like
- 35:28that where he like intentionally
- 35:29regulates his rhetoric to get mainstream
- 35:32attention and trying to try and push
- 35:34people towards like more radical
- 35:36creators or something like that is the
- 35:37way I've seen you guys make excuses for
- 35:39him on this shit the fact of the matter
- 35:42is that what he does and says
- 35:44contradicts what people like me say
- 35:46contradicts what the people who are
- 35:47actually trying to move the needle say
- 35:49so I don't think his hands are going to
- 35:51be put on a pipeline I think they go to
- 35:53him and he's a dead end ultimately what
- 35:55needs to happen here is that stuff like
- 35:56this needs to be challenged Hassan often
- 35:58invokes like South Africa as a great
- 36:01example of what to aim for South Africa
- 36:03is a shit hole and South Africa is
- 36:04specifically a shit hole because the
- 36:06whites were totally coddled with the
- 36:08process that resulted in the end of
- 36:09Apartheid nothing was meaningfully taken
- 36:11from them there were no reparations
- 36:13nothing No Return of land nothing no
- 36:16justice against the oppressors nothing
- 36:18and if you like continue to enable this
- 36:21sort of thing if you continue to spread
- 36:24and uphold Jewish exceptionalism you're
- 36:26going to get a South afria AF and we
- 36:28don't want to South Africa and this is
- 36:29ultimately another point that you're
- 36:31going to need to come to terms with as
- 36:32well because in any sort of remotely
- 36:34just and acceptable solution to the
- 36:36Palestinian question you're going to
- 36:38need to understand that it's going to
- 36:40come at the cost of Israelis because
- 36:41Israelis live at the cost of
- 36:43Palestinians they stole Palestinian land
- 36:45they stole Palestinian homes they have
- 36:47inflicted unimaginable pain on the
- 36:48Palestinian people for their own benefit
- 36:50so there's no like happy ending here
- 36:51where everyone comes out happy
- 36:53Palestinian Liberation necessitates
- 36:55Palestinians you know being materially
- 36:58given back what has been taken from them
- 37:00this imagine fantasy world where we get
- 37:02Israeli allies and we all s Kumbaya
- 37:04together and we sign like the Equal
- 37:06Rights paper to magically fix everything
- 37:08would just result in another South
- 37:09Africa and we don't want another South
- 37:11Africa we want restitution we want
- 37:13Material Justice and Material Justice is
- 37:16necessarily going to have to come at the
- 37:18cost of those who have taken from the
- 37:19victims not fighting by their side and
- 37:22someone like yal Abraham would never in
- 37:24a million years accept something like
- 37:25that maybe on his best day he would
- 37:27accept accepted in the West Bank which
- 37:29is full on liberal Zionism still South
- 37:31Africa is a good example of like the
- 37:33international pressure you can put on
- 37:35Israel but it's not a good example of
- 37:37what to aim for ultimately what Hassan
- 37:39does and says leads people away from the
- 37:42truth which is that Israelis are not
- 37:45simply a complicit population because
- 37:46they are propagandized into being as
- 37:48such it's that Israel is a country for
- 37:50them by them it is run for their
- 37:53interest they profit handsomely from it
- 37:55and in a situation like that it is a
- 37:57complete liberal like feel-good fantasy
- 38:00to imagine that we're going to bring
- 38:02down Israel by appealing to the
- 38:04sensibilities of Israelis and convincing
- 38:06them what they're doing is wrong because
- 38:07deep down they know what they're doing
- 38:08is wrong in that it hurts a ton of
- 38:11people but they benefit from it so
- 38:12they're happy with it and ultimately
- 38:14even many of the supposed allies like
- 38:16yval Abraham here are happy to head on
- 38:18to go on stage and appropriate a
- 38:20supposedly Pro Palestinian film to
- 38:22spread disgusting Israeli Colonial
- 38:24propaganda about how the hostages a poor
- 38:27little victims and October 7th was a
- 38:29massive crime rather than the
- 38:30predictable response to Israeli
- 38:32colonialism because if he got what he
- 38:34wants what you would end up with is a
- 38:36Zionist solution AKA a two- State
- 38:38solution he does not want to give up his
- 38:40privileges he wants to sort of negotiate
- 38:42at settlement to make himself feel
- 38:44better while still ultimately upholding
- 38:46the Zionist goal of a Jewish ethnos
- 38:48State on Palestinian land this guy
- 38:50should not even be there and we can work
- 38:53towards a situation where people like
- 38:55him would not be there to spout that
- 38:57disgusting liberal Zionist propaganda on
- 38:59stage and appropriate what should have
- 39:01been a moment of Palestinian advocacy
- 39:03but it takes effort it takes real risk I
- 39:06don't think Hassan Parker is going to be
- 39:07taking on that risk anytime soon he's
- 39:09going to wait for others to take on the
- 39:10risk to move the needle to do what needs
- 39:12to be done to say what needs to be said
- 39:13and then years down the line he will
- 39:15take credit for it as if he was on board
- 39:16of this the whole time he could use his
- 39:18massive platform to talk about what I'm
- 39:20talking about here and to really help to
- 39:23change things to really really
- 39:25legitimately help to expose was a ton of
- 39:28people to fundamental systemic critique
- 39:30of Israel what it is and why Israel is
- 39:32are so supportive of but rather than
- 39:34that he spreads this notion of Israelis
- 39:36as victims themselves of propaganda and
- 39:39helps to reinforce Jewish exceptionalism
- 39:41which is ultimately the framework that
- 39:43results in the western support of Israel
- 39:46that Hassan pertains to be against words
- 39:48are meaningless practice is what matters
- 39:50and Hassan can say that he's for a
- 39:51one-state solution as much as he wants
- 39:53he can critique liberal Zionism as much
- 39:55as he wants but ultimately the way that
- 39:57he pushes people towards thinking are
- 40:00counterproductive to achieving a
- 40:02one-state solution and counterproductive
- 40:04to fighting liberal Zionism look
- 40:06ultimately this isn't about Hanan biker
- 40:09this is way bigger than him because
- 40:10there is a reason why you'll never see
- 40:12him not regulate his rhetoric like this
- 40:14and it's a fear of Jewish exceptionalism
- 40:17you know there's a reason why when some
- 40:19Zionist idiot says to him oh but you
- 40:21don't care about the hostages he's like
- 40:23oh I have talked about the hostages he's
- 40:24all the times I've talked about the
- 40:25hostages rather than the proper response
- 40:27to that which would be why the fuck are
- 40:29those people living in settlements
- 40:31surrounding Gaza anyway ever thought
- 40:33about that how depraved in discussing
- 40:35you have to be to do that and even aside
- 40:37from like the moralistic component of it
- 40:39they clearly served the purpose for
- 40:40colonialism and must have known what
- 40:42they were getting into by living there
- 40:44he won't say anything like that he will
- 40:45just defend himself on the terms of the
- 40:47Zionist same thing will say October 7th
- 40:50rape allegations rather than saying
- 40:52there's no evidence whatsoever Beyond
- 40:54just Israeli zist saying so that there
- 40:56were any rapes on October 7th he will
- 40:59say um well you know maybe there were
- 41:01rapes on October 7th but that doesn't
- 41:02change the dynamic for me he will not
- 41:04properly explain the context of these
- 41:06bullshit allegations and their wider
- 41:08history in justifying Colonial genocides
- 41:10of the past he will rather again respond
- 41:12on the terms of the zionists and take
- 41:14these supposed rapes as like a
- 41:16possibility if not a fact when he's
- 41:17criticized on the ridiculous notion that
- 41:19he doesn't platform Israeli voices and
- 41:22he doesn't allow Israelis to be heard
- 41:24like the poor marginalized Israelis his
- 41:26response is not to correctly surmise
- 41:29that you know it's ridiculous to expect
- 41:31us to platform people from the oppressor
- 41:32group as if what they say regarding
- 41:34their victims is at all anything that we
- 41:37should listen to or care about like
- 41:39obviously they're they're way more
- 41:40likely to support that duh they benefit
- 41:43from it his response is rather to be
- 41:45like I've spoken to many Israelis who
- 41:47who criticize Israel I've spoken to many
- 41:49Jews who criticize Israel ultimately he
- 41:51doesn't contest the terms of Jewish
- 41:53exceptionalism he accepts them and he
- 41:55perpetuates them and you should think
- 41:56about why that is
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