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0:00welcome back to another episode of
0:01grizzly True Crime my name is Gilla K
0:03and this is part two of our Deep dive of
0:06Katherine melander's police interviews
0:08she is a 21-year-old woman at the time
0:11that these interviews took place who was
0:14dating 23-year-old Chandler halison he
0:17was initially charged with lying to the
0:20police about his missing parents but as
0:23it so turned out he actually murdered
0:26his parents and dismembered them and
0:28then scattered their remains around
0:30Wisconsin including on his girlfriend's
0:33mother's fiance's property so that's a
0:36lot for her to process especially at
0:38that age so if you miss part one I would
0:41highly recommend checking that out and
0:42if you know nothing about this case I
0:45would expand the description box you can
0:47read the case background write up that I
0:49have there for you and you can find the
0:51link to the playlist where you'll see
0:52that we've been deep diving this case in
0:55fact we recently watched the January
0:572022 trial of Chandler holders
1:00together as a community for the first
1:02time and if you've never watched a trial
1:04with me they are all what I like to call
1:06def fluffed which means there's no
1:08coffee breaks or lunch breaks or long
1:10pauses you can watch it really
1:11efficiently I mean you could even watch
1:13it at 1.25 speed there's also no adverts
1:16that will interrupt you so you could
1:18just watch it and you can refer to the
1:20time stamps and just go and see the
1:22witnesses that you want to see now I
1:24know that some people are going to give
1:26Katherine the side eye again or still
1:28and say but she must have known
1:31something I don't think that a 21 years
1:33old when she's just focused on spending
1:36time with her boyfriend that she's going
1:37to be like you know what the house
1:39smells a little smoky let me jump to the
1:41conclusion that he dismembered his
1:43parents and then tried to burn the
1:44remains in the fireplace and then
1:46scattered their body parts all over
1:48Wisconsin I I don't think anyone's going
1:50to jump to that conclusion and I know
1:53some people going to be like but the
1:54police spoke to her again yes cuz she
1:56had critical information because she
1:58liked to screenshot things because
2:00allegedly Chandler had cheated on her in
2:02the past so she sometimes screenshotted
2:05his locations when it didn't make sense
2:08and in this interview you will hear they
2:10ask her quite a bit about her Snapchat
2:13screenshots and she will talk about the
2:16time when she thought hm why is Chandler
2:19halderson at you know the Wisconsin
2:21River a swimming area that he like to go
2:23to that she'd been to with him as well
2:25what what is he doing there on a
2:27Saturday morning when he claims to be
2:29doing something else well what he was
2:32really doing there was scattering his
2:34mother's remains and they only ever
2:36found her legs like how horrifying is
2:39that so that really helped the
2:41investigation so do keep that in mind
2:43that yes the police were being thorough
2:45they were making sure that she could be
2:47eliminated as a suspect and they were
2:50also Gathering critical information from
2:52her which helped the state prove their
2:54case and also helped to at least find
2:57something of christas without cther
2:59mela's help I don't know if they would
3:01have found Christa's remains I'm not too
3:04sure and partial remains of course now I
3:06know that many of us including myself
3:09want to know is Katherine doing okay
3:11today where is she I don't see that she
3:13has any social media presence and I
3:15don't blame her for that at all I did
3:17see there was a profile connected to her
3:19mother's Facebook account and it seems
3:21like she has a double barrel surname
3:23which is why people are speculating on
3:25social media that she got married some
3:27people say she's got kids I have no
3:28proof of that so take that with a grain
3:30of salt but I do hope that she's
3:31recovered that she's well and that she
3:34is happy because surviving a nightmare
3:37like this having a boyfriend that you
3:40just see the best in and then realizing
3:43that you were at the house that weeken
3:46while he had his parents dismembered
3:49remains in the freezer in the
3:51basement that is just I don't know how
3:54one can even process that also a
3:57question that some people have is where
4:00is her dad because we've never really
4:01heard about him so I did a little bit of
4:04digging again it's based on social media
4:06posts so take it with a grain of salt
4:07but apparently he passed away in 2007
4:10and he was in prison for substance
4:12related issues so that clears that up
4:14that's why we didn't see him testify we
4:16haven't heard from him or anything like
4:18that also before we dive into this
4:20police video interview part two now from
4:23July 16th of 2021 I wanted to mention
4:26that yes there are jail calls out there
4:28between Katherine Melinda and Chandler
4:30halderson you can listen to them on rot
4:33Vier investigations I know many of you
4:35have been mentioning those I've already
4:36heard them as well so that's where she
4:40sometimes gets a lot of heat because
4:41people can't understand why was she
4:44still speaking to him and that way and
4:46messaging him if she knew what he did
4:48but just remember she didn't know what
4:49he did and she wasn't the only one
4:52speaking to him in the jail in fact one
4:53of his male best friends was speaking to
4:55him and believed him until he didn't
4:58everyone gets to that point where that
4:59oh my word he's lying about everything
5:02and obviously the investigators and the
5:04state were still busy gathering the
5:05evidence so it took some time for them
5:08to gather all that evidence and they
5:09weren't just going to hand it over to
5:12Witnesses at the trial so at the trial
5:15is where I think Katherine melinder and
5:17her mother and everybody else really
5:19found out the extent of what Chanda
5:22halderson did and apparently all
5:24communication stopped between Katherine
5:27and Chandler two months before the trial
5:29so I think we could maybe cutter some
5:32slack I admit that when I first heard
5:34the jail calls back then in 2022 I also
5:38thought this is this is crazy why does
5:40she talk to him like that why if she
5:42knows that there was like a torso found
5:44but at that point I don't know how much
5:46of that she knew and I think that
5:49Chandler had one thing going for him and
5:51that's that he could lie like nobody
5:52else so many people believed his lies
5:56throughout his life so the good thing is
5:57that I think all communication starts
5:59but I am working on verifying that
6:02because I have requested all the jail
6:04calls from the time where the
6:06communication allegedly stopped and all
6:08the prison calls from when he was
6:10transferred to the Dodge correctional
6:12institute and if I get those records
6:14back which I really hope I do I know
6:16they have a lot to prepare now cuz it's
6:18from March of 2022 all the way to
6:21present day I've requested every call
6:23every message every commissary order so
6:25I think this could take a a little while
6:27to get to me and once I get that if I do
6:29that it's going to take a little while
6:31to dig through all of that but if
6:32there's anything of interest that I find
6:34well then you know I'm going to be
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6:51okay so now let's dive into part two of
6:53Katherine melander's police interviews
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7:33my Janet will be in in just a minute I
7:36don't think You' got Janet whoops Sor
7:38I'm Daniel Tim nice to meet you um I'd
7:41offer you a business card but I realized
7:42I didn't bring any with me so that's
7:43right I forgot mine too so we're perfect
7:45oh I got mine okay there you go hiec
7:49Janet nice to meet you detective hi are
7:52you Catherine yeah can you go by cat
7:53right hi nice to meet you nice to meet
7:56you too all right thanks coming
8:00appreciate it doing
8:03okay no no doing sure it's
8:07been a lot over the last few days hasn't
8:10it yeah it's been a week since the last
8:12time I sat in here no a week and a day
8:15today's Friday right oh it is Friday it
8:17is Friday it it's been a week in a day
8:19and just so you know that it's not lost
8:21on us how hard it's probably been for
8:22you and a lot of other people too so
8:25we're very appreciative of that um so
8:28just you know know that when we're
8:30meeting that uh you know we keep that in
8:33mind that we do appreciate the stuff
8:36that you're probably going through so
8:37okay sure can I ask one thing up front
8:40sure is there any way you guys can
8:42change the narrative and the sheriff
8:44even if it may not be fully true um to
8:47indicate that she's not the girlfriend's
8:49not a suspect and that she's not somehow
8:52somebody who suspect unless you're going
8:54to tell me we do suspect that cuz it's
8:56just hard I mean she's 20 years old 2
8:58years out of high school and her phone's
9:00just blowing up I've told her and I
9:02think she's followed my advice to shut
9:04down Facebook to shut down everything
9:06that's a social platform but she's
9:08getting all kinds of friends of oh my
9:10gosh I saw what happened with Chandler
9:12what can I do to help you let me come
9:13talk to you let me come spend time with
9:15you and those things
9:16so it and it got worse yesterday after
9:19the sheriff had the press conference and
9:21the last question he took was is the
9:24girlfriend somebody that you're pursuing
9:26and he didn't really answer the question
9:28well he kind of doed the question
9:31watched it and that's why I'm saying you
9:33know just for her benefit if the answer
9:35could be at this time she's not I said I
9:37don't even care if she I do care if she
9:39is but um to answer that but just not to
9:42leave that suspicion out there sure we
9:45can look I can look at that I'll talk to
9:46our Pio and see if we can um move in
9:48forward change our language up a little
9:50bit I I would appreciate I don't think
9:52that's unreasonable at all so we can
9:54definitely make a not of that and then
9:57the other um I think it was May was
10:00detective Shunk said I should remind or
10:03see if we're any further on a timeline
10:05of returning her car and if not of
10:07returning it at least letting her get
10:09clothing and personal items out of it we
10:11have to sign for him to get them but
10:13just to get her things out of the car I
10:15think right now um we have a you know um
10:17a lot of time sensitive things going on
10:19right now so um it is something that we
10:23are mindful that you clearly probably
10:25want your vehicle back and we're trying
10:26the best we can to get what we can done
10:29so I'm thinking hopefully I I don't want
10:31to do a timeline but probably you know
10:32the next couple days we'd have more
10:34information or it could be returned um
10:37she's looking at moving out of her
10:39apartment her lease ends at the end of
10:41this month really quick on the 29th I
10:43have to be up before noon right that's
10:45the sublot yeah okay um well in any
10:48event if um things change and for
10:51whatever reason we need to keep your
10:52vehicle longer what are things you're
10:54looking to get out of there do you know
10:56um I have like laundry in there if I
10:59could just even get half my laundry my
11:01mom has to keep buying me new clothes
11:03which is not the best okay um is in a
11:06basket or something or a bag they're
11:08like reusable bags okay um the clean
11:12ones should be folded and some of them
11:14aren't because I just throw them in the
11:15back but okay um my apartment keys and
11:21then I have a badge for work but I've
11:23been put on administrative leave so it's
11:25I'm not able to access anything but I'd
11:26rather just have it mhm okay
11:29because I'd rather not lose that I have
11:31to pay for it out of pocket I say it's
11:32just one more thing yeah 40
11:36bucks yeah 40 bucks here and there adds
11:38up quickly that's like 38 McChickens
11:43so you know poor poor college student
11:47thing need those 38 McChickens been
11:52there okay and part of this is I always
11:55tell people in these cases we do spend a
11:57lot of time proving what didn't happen
11:59mhm and so that's part of what we're
12:00trying to do I know thank you we
12:03understand it's not like I'm like I need
12:05my car I know but it isn't convenient
12:07for sure I just want my underwear I get
12:10that you only have some for a couple
12:13days sucks having to rewash
12:15them
12:17yeah not you know it's not easy having
12:19only one pair of bras yeah that does
12:22make life difficult well being a female
12:24I can sympathize with you and there I
12:26can only empathize sorry it's okay I
12:28appreciate
12:30um so anything you want to tell us right
12:33away um so when we met
12:37yesterday um when cuz I I have been
12:40keeping up with the media I haven't been
12:42watching any of the trials for my own
12:43mental health MH and he was catching me
12:46up and like when the Wisconsin River was
12:48mentioned I like we were Ming over it I
12:52was and um I recalled like taking a
12:56screenshot of him near the Wisconsin
12:58River because we share Snapchat
13:00locations with each other mhm and he
13:02like wasn't responding to me wasn't
13:03responding to me he always snaps me mhm
13:06and um so I just have it putting him
13:11there at July 3rd at like in the morning
13:14okay cuz um I was at home
13:18mhm and I already know you have pictures
13:20from that like those days mhm from when
13:23I gave my phone but I just told him
13:26about it and he's like well they'll take
13:28anything and that was my suggestion then
13:31as she said she's I've told her to stay
13:33away from media not talk to anybody
13:35about basically she has no life I've
13:37told her from last time she saw Christa
13:40and Bart till he was arrested okay
13:43there's just nothing anybody needs to
13:45know that I'm aware of and so she was
13:47mulling it as I was explaining and she's
13:50like oh my gosh and pulled this up and
13:52showed me she got a GPS on the phone go
13:55ahead and get it's from Snapchat I don't
13:57know if you use that but um that's him
13:59by the Wisconsin River off of Gulf Road
14:02okay and that's got on it okay in the
14:05morning and then my phone always tells
14:06me what day it is so it's July 3rd 8:58
14:09a.m. okay and it place in there 4
14:10minutes before so 54 okay I just quickly
14:13wanted to interrupt and let you know
14:16that they are asking Katherine to
14:18explain you know these Snapchat
14:20screenshots and the location because it
14:23turned out to be critical information
14:25because it proved that Chandler was
14:27there where he osed of his mother's
14:30partial remains which they only found
14:33her legs but they think that he put the
14:35rest of her remains in the Wisconsin
14:37River but these screenshots really
14:39helped the investigation have you been
14:41to that spot with them do you know I
14:43don't know if it's that specific spot
14:45but we used to swim on the Wisconsin
14:47River okay and um like it's one of the
14:51spots we would just go to MH
14:54and like I've only been there like maybe
14:56three times but he's gone swimming there
14:58a couple times times
15:00um yeah just just the other side show
15:03them the next one or the one before that
15:05it's got a date stamp showing her at her
15:07house like 5 minutes around that time
15:09period when he was at that location so
15:11that's a different app though it's on
15:12the app Snapchat okay and it's in my
15:14memories uhhuh and I don't know if you
15:17want to see a picture of my friend's
15:18kangaroo but sure this is the kangaroo
15:20putting a diaper on okay I don't think
15:22I've ever seen that
15:24before it's name Scooby R where's that
15:27at uh so she has a farm uh and he was
15:30bred in Oklahoma on a game farm so she
15:33has a couple enclosures so she rescued
15:34him sure but we geographically as her
15:37Farm
15:39uh
15:40like you know before the water tower
15:43when you just passing the
15:45airport where here in Madison uh yeah so
15:49like when you're leaving Madison past
15:50the airport okay there you know the
15:52water tower before that there's a
15:54crosssection like a fourway oh yeah with
15:56lights if you take a right and you keep
15:58going until the next like intersection
16:01type area that only has signs if you
16:03look to your right there's a farm and
16:04you'll probably see a bison outside okay
16:06there is this kind of out towards like
16:07the interstate and the truck
16:09steps is that yeah before you go under
16:11the bridge yeah yeah before that okay
16:14that makes sense and then the more
16:16pressing important thing me July 3rd at
16:218:53 in Madison Wisconsin that's my dog
16:26Chewbacca so where where was that taken
16:29it this was taken at my mom's house in
16:31Madison and what time was it 8:53 a.m.
16:34okay and that was around the time when I
16:35took the
16:37screenshot you were using Snapchat for
16:39that yeah okay so I when you take a
16:42screenshot of Snapchat it goes to your
16:44like um like photos but when you save a
16:47memory it only saves to the memory of
16:48Snapchat okay so you Sav that as a
16:50memory on Snapchat yeah so this is a
16:52memory okay so like the picture I sent
16:54you like these are all just memories
16:55okay and the other one though again
16:59they'll tell us if we're giving them
17:00tooo much or doesn't help them I'm sure
17:03um but but even her inquiring of him of
17:06why are you no longer our location
17:08showing and having the drop call so oh
17:11the text
17:12messages yeah
17:15um cuz uh uh when you use Snapchat when
17:19you open up the snap like open up the
17:21app that's when it's going to update
17:22your location if you don't open up the
17:24app your location won't update at all
17:27mhm and um
17:30I was like hey where you at where you at
17:32like you're not responding to me on
17:33Snapchat MH and
17:37like um we ended up calling and he just
17:41said like he was in a dead zone I was
17:44like what are you doing out there you
17:47know mhm I was I think over the phone I
17:50was like are you like swimming like in
17:52in the Wisconsin River after his fall
17:54like that's not safe mhm
17:59what did he say he was doing he said he
18:01was um running errands to get CBD okay
18:06and
18:08um for the
18:11pain what pain from the fall okay for
18:15like like he has a head pain like or
18:17like he was having headaches and like
18:18you know he said he was having like leg
18:20numbness mhm um he wasn't like a brace
18:24until like not last Thursday but the
18:28Thursday before so
18:34you is that I mean where does he does he
18:37normally purchase CBD or is that
18:39something new he was trying that was
18:40something new he was trying okay was he
18:43thinking of going to Sock City to by CBD
18:46yeah like we were on a call so I don't
18:48remember everything L it it was like a
18:51AA moment like I I remembered that and
18:54like Daniel explains it as it doesn't
18:55seem important but it's definitely
18:56important that you try your best to
18:58remember I just find it interesting cuz
18:59I'm wondering how many CBD shops he
19:01would have had to drive past to even get
19:02there yeah he said that's where his guy
19:05was like cuz they were going to give it
19:07to him for free or something okay so he
19:09could just try it out so he said his guy
19:12was going to meet him where his location
19:13was like by no he was driving there he
19:15ding so I think he it was all overall
19:19like a couple weeks ago but I think he
19:21was trying to say like he was driving
19:23back and um so he never says he's
19:26actually there for a period of time
19:28where his Lo is by the no but um when
19:31you're in a car it shows you in a little
19:32car driving so if he was moving it would
19:35have said that and he wasn't no his
19:37location was just sitting there standing
19:39and that means he's set there
19:42true and sorry it just takes forever to
19:45reload everything cuz we talk so much
19:46that's okay I appreciate
19:48that um and I just haven't been looking
19:51back at things you know
19:53understood
19:54um so
20:00should I start at the top of Saturday so
20:02we were like talking at 7:32 and I asked
20:05breakfast Bruto question mark because I
20:06was making a breakfast for when he was
20:08done with chores mhm said sounds good
20:10I'm doing [ __ ] kind of slow TBH cuz I'm
20:13kind of sore I'm like I could have
20:14helped you this morning it's like yeah I
20:16know I'm going to the dump I'm like by
20:17yourself did you load the car by
20:19yourself you can barely walk I should
20:20have at least helped with that he's like
20:22never mind his clothes I'm like oh yeah
20:23holiday weekend and [ __ ] PR of my French
20:27I'm like but it's okay also can you
20:28bring the cheese I forgotten slow down
20:31no that's I'm just being very cop I'm
20:34just doing like the gist of what you're
20:36saying she's a very skilled Note Taker
20:38yeah but and then must be an inside
20:42joke and then he's like sounds good I'll
20:45be closer to lunch I'm like okay I'll
20:46just food uh prep for now I guess cuz he
20:50said he was going to be there like in
20:51the morning but I guess I changed said
20:54um I also have pork shelf if you prefer
20:57that and that was at 804 and then I did
20:58B question mark Cuz you know short for
21:00baby mhm and then I was like hey did you
21:03pass out at
21:048:38 he's like I'm okay I'm awake now
21:06that can be done I'm like okay breakfast
21:08burrito for lunch and you said yes and I
21:10said okay what chores do you need to do
21:13also snap me back um and this was at
21:158:30 I'm like I'm talking to Kira a lot
21:16my friend in Berlin Germany M and I
21:18don't want her to be my number one
21:19because when you snap someone more they
21:20move up to your number one spot in
21:22Snapchat tell me if I need to like keep
21:23explaining things about Snapchat kind to
21:25do okay so Snapchat uh you can favorites
21:29list yeah it's like your best friend's
21:30list and he's been my best friend for 3
21:32months plus and so we get like a special
21:34Emoji MH and um so there's this thing
21:38like in location sharing you can like
21:41share with everyone share with these
21:44people accept and then share with only
21:46these people okay and him and I share
21:48with each other mhm and that's why I had
21:50his location mhm and then he said um
21:54pick up CBD from the dude is Major and I
21:56was like what I'm like dude where are
21:58you and then I asked are you not sapping
22:01me so I don't know your location cuz
22:03like picking up CD CBD I kind of want to
22:06know where he is cuz that just sounds
22:07sketch to me I'm sorry not much more VOR
22:11well all of this versus thinking meant
22:14nothing back then right but coming from
22:16the pharmacy world you know the deal is
22:18CBD yeah but you
22:22know um I'm like did you just hang up on
22:25me I'm like call when you're out of a
22:26dead zone because like we kept calling
22:27and it kept droing dring and calling and
22:29dropping and he was like just driving
22:31through dead zones you know MH and I was
22:33like CBD I'm like okay I guess if it's
22:37free supp yeah and then I that was
22:41around
22:42like um those for like we're around like
22:466:39 was I I want K to be my number one
22:48and then he said at 8:57 he was picking
22:50up cvd okay and that's why I was
22:53checking his Snapchat location because I
22:54think he snapped me around then okay was
22:56all of this bya SnapChat or
22:58so this was text messages which you guys
23:00already have and then the phone call
23:02records like we were talking about it um
23:06but if you need a screenshot of my
23:08memories from like what I was like where
23:10I was I can take a screenshot of it and
23:12it'll have the location the date and the
23:14time and I'm willing to send that to you
23:16guys cuz I don't know how Snapchat Works
23:18in downloading stuff that you guys do
23:20would we be able just to dump her
23:23pH you already got you guys already did
23:26that did we okay yeah we did we've got
23:29sorry I'm a little behind no it's okay I
23:33remember because I just sit here for a
23:34while we were here a long time that
23:36night
23:41um um as far as that goes yeah we might
23:43ask you to just to kind of give us some
23:46movement if you don't mind that's fine I
23:48do you want me to send it to like you or
23:50I have lizz's number I can send it to
23:52you if it's in the C you can send it to
23:54me okay let me just while on the Wi-Fi
23:58BR yeah it's my dog Chewbacca he's a
24:01real looker he'll be happy with the
24:02photo that's all right I was going to
24:04ask you what his name was Chewbacca we
24:06call him chewy for short I just SP
24:08myself some your email address or your
24:09name I'm sorry my name is my first name
24:11is
24:13Tim okay last name is blank b l a n
24:18ke and your email address you want her
24:20to send it to you yeah if she can email
24:22if that's fine it's just blank Dan
24:26sheriff.com yeah that's actually better
24:27than text
24:32okay yeah he's very cute I'm sure he is
24:36what kind is he what PR is he he's like
24:38a terrier mix okay um how old is he he
24:42turns three in February oh so slow guy
24:45yeah is he one of those who's kind of
24:46got like short man syndrome where he's
24:48always barking like he thinks he's the
24:50only one people he doesn't know are over
24:52like small dogs in yeah not as bad as my
24:55mom's dog muffin she's like 5 and A2 PBS
24:58uh-huh we not but she pees on everyone
25:00cuz she's so excited but we not stop
25:02barking I get
25:04it you get so excited you pee I'm not
25:08quite that old but I'm
25:10get
25:12yes and then I'll send it to you on my
25:15personal email okay that'll work good
25:17thanks cat and then
25:21it's
25:23BL BL sheriff.com yep
25:33picture at home oh that sounds
25:37weird with chwaca that works too as well
25:41as a screenshot of him of Chan yeah the
25:47Emoji how do I
25:50add this one
26:01we have kangaroos definitely been
26:02helping with that right not know we had
26:04kangaroo
26:05Farmers um if you ever have a wedding
26:08she they have weddings at the farm cuz
26:10you have one of those barns uhuh take a
26:12picture of the kangaroo see would be
26:15very
26:15popular yeah they used to have two but
26:18that the other one would like slap
26:19people they would try to fight people
26:22not good for business I think it punched
26:24only one bride
26:25though that's all it takes
26:29interesting visual whether it's a photo
26:31or videogram it's not going to help your
26:34yel reviews ride getting beat up by a
26:36kangaroo I think she said she liked it
26:39though cuz like you know it's a what you
26:41know they don't have kangaroos in
26:42Wisconsin true they passed away before
26:46Co and then they just got the other one
26:49the yeah Scooby room but once again it's
26:55BL I I used to have to check my patch
26:58just as as we're talking I I've got
27:00another question because I heard the
27:02news and again I'm trying to isolate her
27:05from everybody else so there's no
27:07contamination of I can't remember if
27:09Crest told me that or my mom told me
27:11that or whatever okay so in that regard
27:14when she came to see me the other day we
27:16were talking about that um you'd gone
27:18somebody gone to the house and Mom let
27:21you in without a warrant you took a
27:23Swiffer and some rubber gloves M it's my
27:27understanding that they found rope r o p
27:30e in the dumpster outside in the garage
27:33MH um she'd heard robe so I wonder if
27:36you can share with me whether they found
27:38rope like did you tie people's wrists or
27:40do things with or a robe that you would
27:43wear I don't think it's the secret it's
27:45rope with a pee and that's what it's
27:48like did you say in garage or out garage
27:50I don't whatever the dumpster was I
27:51don't exactly know but I know okay I
27:53mean she wasn't there and doesn't know
27:55any of that I told her even that rather
27:58than ask your mom about that we'll find
28:00out versus there' be a question of
28:03whether she has independent memory of
28:05something happening or somebody told her
28:07if I'm being stupid about that I'll let
28:09her open up much more no that's fine I
28:11was there for that so I can confirm that
28:14sure you're my mom so you know she has
28:15an accent and so she was like oh yeah
28:17they found the robe and I was like robe
28:20cuz my robee's at my apartment I don't I
28:23didn't bring it home and she's like and
28:26she looked at me and then like we didn't
28:28talk about I was like okay and then he
28:30was like updating me and he was like
28:32yeah and like they did they tell you
28:34about the Rope I'm like rope
28:36pit rope yes and I was like I thought it
28:40was a robe nope but
28:44okay that is true I got your email okay
28:47so it worked good yep we're all good
28:49there from killer
28:51cat um is there anything else that you
28:55can think of that you were coming here
28:57to share with us
29:01um just the he was going to go see the
29:04CBD and then like the Wisconsin River
29:06thing like cuz isn't that like when
29:08where they found the new remains or
29:11something he was like giving me a
29:13rockberry Roxberry I don't know that's
29:16rockberry which is again from the Emoji
29:18looks like it's I thought it was Ford on
29:21one side of the
29:22river I can't remember what was on the
29:25other side in Highway 60s yeah basically
29:28River there forms the county line right
29:30okay and the east side of the river is
29:31town of rockberry the West side is Sock
29:36City Yeah by Ruth Culver Community
29:39Library yep that's where that's where
29:41Culver is headquartered that's the
29:44that's the hometown of Culver's so the
29:46Culver family has major Holdings yes
29:50right off Gulf Road yep okay that makes
29:53sense is there anything else you wanted
29:55us to know about you wanted to talk to
29:57us about
29:59is there anything you want to ask her
30:01yeah couple don't mind okay I've
30:04explained to her she's not under arrest
30:05and all those Miranda things and if it
30:08gets uncomfortable we'll just ask that
30:09we speak but I think we're good I mean
30:11we've been talking as much and for what
30:14it's worth I've asked her to just write
30:15down the narrative I think she's doing
30:18talk to text and it's having trouble
30:20with that app sure and so just doing
30:22that so kind of frees up her mind later
30:24trying to remember a month from now or
30:26whenever what happened and when it
30:28happened so she's working on that good
30:31perfect I'm going to give a for warning
30:33I have a very emotional stomach Daniel's
30:35giving me updates and I throwing up in
30:36their house so I'm just going to grab
30:37the bucket for now and you know where
30:39the restroom is from being here last
30:41time I would have been you
30:43well for whatever you dat I don't think
30:46we're going to hit you I don't
30:47anticipate we're going to hit you with
30:48anything
30:49to a very emotional person understood
30:52that's fine and I can go get cleen mies
30:54too yep whatever you need yeah usually
30:58we have some in here not today not today
31:01probably used them all up last time to
31:02be real with
31:08you so I think you did a really good job
31:10with the timeline you know when you
31:12initially talked to detectives and stuff
31:14and I that was great I mean there's a
31:16lot of
31:17information um so that that's really
31:21good but there's a few things I think um
31:23just that really could be important or
31:26not important but it's probably
31:27something something we should fill in
31:28the holes a little bit okay just going
31:30through some of our stuff um so we're
31:34going to go back to January 1st January
31:361 or sorry July
31:381st I was like when I saw his head
31:41turned I'm like I said that wrong I
31:42meant July 1st sorry what day is that um
31:45July 1 would have been yes that's a
31:48Thursday ju Thursday um so you indicate
31:53that you worked till 5: that day which I
31:55think is normal correct was hazardous so
31:58that would have been a Thursday what did
32:00you do that evening did you what did you
32:02go to your apartment your mom's chanders
32:05or someplace else I think I was at my
32:07apartment let me check I usually it's
32:10weird I almost always say everything on
32:13Snapchat and so like if there's
32:14something I don't recall I try to check
32:16there
32:17first um but I'm I think I went
32:21home sorry I've SE naked photos
32:43I think I went home for that one because
32:46on the second in the morning there's a
32:50promiscuous photo of me on my bed sheets
32:54and they're the ones at my apartment
32:55Okay so
33:00I was there Thursday
33:02night
33:06and yeah I remember staying there
33:08meaning that's your place the sulet
33:11place yeah okay have little bee like you
33:16know pattern like bubble bee yeah oh
33:19okay like little bubble bees sorry if I
33:22was just saying bees not explaining like
33:24I'm just laying on a bunch of bees well
33:26I figured like it was I wasn't sure so
33:29that's why it was bumblebee print um
33:33yeah you that's why one of the reasons
33:35why I got the sublet because I can take
33:37the back roads home mhm um and then I
33:41usually there's uh I park in the parking
33:43garage at the
33:45Lark
33:50and yeah I remember I got off at 5:
33:54because I was working hazardous
33:58usually just take
34:00the you know I don't know if you've been
34:02on dming way mhm you know the like when
34:05you're going down ding way I don't know
34:07if you've passed the pharmacy Services
34:08building but um there's like a turn you
34:11take past like the scissor place I yep Y
34:15and then you take the roundabout and
34:16then you
34:17go to the right I don't know street
34:20names I'm so sorry and then you take a
34:23left and then you'll pass like a swim
34:26store co-op store and that's the way I
34:28take to get to the um sublet because
34:31like traffic's awful on like the Belt
34:34Line mhm and
34:38yeah okay
34:41um is there anything more with that one
34:44I don't think
34:45so and then what well do so the picture
34:49that you have you said it's a priscu one
34:51so I'm not trying to be intrusive or
34:53anything but I mean is there a time
34:55stamp on there or anything or yeah um
34:57the promiscuous one is from Friday
35:00morning when I was uh getting
35:04ready for work like before I was getting
35:07ready for
35:08work can I at least censor my
35:16boobs you know I'm young and I have a
35:18boyfriend yep yeah oh we're not here
35:20judging by any means no worries yeah
35:24honestly it find a young person that
35:26doesn't have that on their phone yeah
35:28trly and then I'm going to wonder about
35:29them yeah so it was July 2nd um at 7:35
35:35a.m. cuz I didn't work till
35:378:30 okay yeah do you mind if I just
35:41verify that you can cover with your
35:42thumb if you want like the you can see
35:46my pajama pins sorry I do any
35:50glasses okay you said you could see your
35:52sheets though yeah um and like Bumble
35:54beers or something yeah you might see a
35:56little bit inv but you see in the corner
35:57how there's bumble
35:59bees how about we won't look you can
36:01just take your hand off and let her sit
36:02it how about we won't look and you can
36:04just take your hand off that
36:07okay okay so the bumblebees and you see
36:11that quilt right there that's my top
36:13sheet pretty much it's like a cast I
36:15don't know if you shop a Target but it's
36:17castaluna knitted okay and so it's like
36:19my knitted blanket I haven't even taken
36:21it from my apartment and I haven't
36:23changed the sheets or anything okay but
36:25um I do park in the parking garage there
36:27and that could definitely how verify
36:30what time I got there Thursday night do
36:31you like a key card or so on my
36:34apartment keys I don't know if you guys
36:35looked at them but it says Lark um
36:38there's two Circle fobs and two keys mhm
36:41the black one is to get into the
36:43building the blue ones to get into my
36:44room and ones for the
36:47um mailbox and then I don't know what
36:51the other ones before I never asked okay
36:53I think it's probably like an emergency
36:56key mhm
36:58um since it's a sublet did the like
37:01owners of the building give that to you
37:02or do the people you're subletting from
37:04give that to you um so I did like a
37:07formal sublet so like I put like my
37:08information so they know I'm subletting
37:10there and it was just left by the person
37:12who was subletting for me okay cuz you
37:14can choose to get it from the people in
37:15the building or get it from the person
37:16you're subing from okay and she said it
37:19would just be better for me to get it
37:20from her on her time but she ended up
37:21leaving before so my roommate terara
37:23gave it to me
37:25okay okay um
37:28um let's see anything more about the
37:31first you can think
37:33of there's also hella excuse my friend
37:36cameras in the pharmacy mhm and um if
37:39you ask for like the time I clocked out
37:42they could definitely give it to you
37:43okay that's good to know cuz I have to
37:46manually sign in on the computer every
37:48time and it's down to the second
37:51okay um one on the first we noticed that
37:55you facetimed with Chandler we FaceTime
37:58almost every night okay fair we know you
38:00did that day yeah and we'll just assume
38:02you did every other day too but anyway
38:04pretty much um looks like from we've
38:08noticed a screenshot cuz I actually was
38:09the one that downloaded your phone um
38:12but only on the days that you asked you
38:13authorized to be clear because there's
38:17lot of stuff whatever none of my
38:19business um but he's in the shower in
38:22that
38:23one okay yeah we do that quite often uh
38:27like will set it up before like taking a
38:30shower that's fine um my question is
38:33just do you remember like what his
38:34demeanor was or they are now asking
38:38Katherine melinder about the FaceTime
38:40call that Chandler and her had on July
38:421st of 2021 because at the time she
38:45didn't know this but that's the day that
38:47Chandler murdered his parents and after
38:49murdering them between 3 and 5:30 p.m.
38:53he facetimed Katherine his girlfriend at
38:56the time from the shower so that means
38:59that he murdered his parents and then
39:01facetimed with his girlfriend and she
39:04didn't pick up that something was wrong
39:06or that he was different which says a
39:08lot more about him than her don't you
39:11think like was he different than usual
39:14or anything like that no just
39:17like tired we were like joking
39:24um trying to remember
39:32um NES um
39:36but you know we were joking as usual mhm
39:41um talking about our days
39:45mhm I
39:47think yeah do you remember what he
39:49talked about like what he did that day
39:51or
39:52anything no not really sorry that's okay
39:56um
40:00usually
40:01um I mute myself okay um and that's like
40:06around the time his parents are usually
40:07home so like I muted myself MH and then
40:10like he was trying to talk to me and I
40:11was like he was like no it's fine
40:13they're not home right now mhm I don't
40:15know if you mentioned they're doing like
40:16a pickup because Miss halderson she's
40:19really scared of coron virus so she
40:21would just do pickups like everywhere
40:23and M it wasn't unusual for Mr Mrs
40:25halderson to go do a store pickup pick
40:27up I think he mentioned that you mean
40:30like curbside pickup when you buy stuff
40:31yeah like Target the app you hit pickup
40:34gotcha so I remember him mentioning that
40:37and I think I was unmuted when we were
40:39talking okay
40:41yeah do you know what store it was what
40:43they shopped at um she would do like all
40:46over so he just said mom was doing a
40:48pickup which is lingo for she's doing a
40:51pickup and they're going to be gone sure
40:58like even you know the farmers market
41:00when they were doing a pickup mhm she
41:02would do with that there even mhm she
41:04would do it at that yes okay
41:07everywhere like even if they didn't
41:09finish the food she would always make
41:10sure everything was stocked up
41:14mhm how many times did you you remember
41:16how many times you facetimed a Chandler
41:18that night I can check the
41:22records it's like we'll call and like
41:25hang up if one of us like
41:28um is doing something you know
41:31like eth oh yeah that's good enough
41:36maybe what day was the
41:42eth yeah so okay I guess I don't have
41:45one be facetimed it's not loading it
41:48like cuz I talk to a lot of people um it
41:51cuts off like after a certain amount of
41:54days it won't let me go past the a that
41:58oh yeah um so you don't have anything
42:03back on the first then um I can check
42:05the
42:06screenshots for about what time it was
42:14yeah it was around
42:16[Music]
42:197:49 okay this that was the first time
42:22or is it the only time um I honestly
42:25don't recall if like we hung up and
42:27called back and hung up and called back
42:30okay but we just FaceTime so
42:37often
42:39yeah when you downloaded would your have
42:42since you download a week ago you'd be
42:44able to go back further yes when we
42:46download a phone we have to take the
42:48whole phone there's no way to limit what
42:50we take by dates but she only authorized
42:53viewing the 1 or the 8th okay so that's
42:55we're only going to view it's kind of
42:56like when we get for
42:58well the first is so you'd have that
43:00possibly even though she doesn't call M
43:03yeah
43:05yep um let's
43:13see do you know um over the weekend of
43:17July 2nd what
43:19car that drove he was driving his dad's
43:22blue
43:25Subaru I remember
43:27said the brake light was like popping up
43:31so like he needed like a little bit of
43:34brake fluid or something oh the breake
43:36light kept coming on
43:42okay is that so that's the one he would
43:44normally Drive
43:46typically no he usually drove his
43:49mom's cuz that was his dad's pride and
43:52joy he got it detailed for like hundred
43:53something dollars and he was like that
43:54was
43:55steal yeah so he normally wouldn't drive
43:58his dad's car just because of that um
44:00like he'll he has been like allowed to
44:03drive it before but usually they would
44:04lend him his mom's
44:20okay all right um did he drive your card
44:25all over the weekend he didn't drive he
44:27wrote in it okay on Sunday okay and the
44:31only thing he brought in was like um his
44:34tumbler cuz he brings that with him
44:35everywhere cuz he likes cold water mhm
44:37um a towel in a swimsuit
44:48okay oh so what was the tow on some
44:51super for um because we were having a
44:53family
44:54dinner uh with my mom and her fiance on
44:57the
44:58farm okay and then we were in the
45:07pool do you know where that stuff's at
45:10now it would have been at his the
45:24house can I go pee very fast
45:28yeah go ahead get away trying to lock me
45:33in I will just out
45:36here you're good I don't know if I can
45:38get out of here I didn't realize you s
45:40in so
45:41much I'm down for the account I know
45:44like is this the furniture they put in
45:46when they built this building y since
45:48I've been here okay that's what I
45:50figured
45:52y been here what 27 years what it help
45:57you if she authorized further back on
45:59her phone before the first is it
46:01anything definitely okay how far would
46:03you like her to go back I mean of course
46:06I want the whole thing and you know
46:09we're not looking to like embarrass her
46:10like we know we know kids she's a 20
46:12years old and you know she even is
46:15reluctant to tell me and so on so right
46:18I have like I said I have yet to meet
46:19somebody in that age bracket right it
46:21doesn't and if they don't then I have to
46:23wonder what they're I won't say I was
46:25going to say I'll take my car back back
46:27down to the my phone back downto the car
46:28and then we
46:32continue can you tell me is there things
46:35that you're concerned about her that we
46:37think more than she's just the boyfriend
46:39of somebody who may have done these
46:42things more concerned for her or like
46:45like we think she's a suspect or an
46:47accomplice or an
46:50accessory right now we have nothing to
46:51suggest that to be honest I think we're
46:53just trying to fill in some holes a
46:55little bit and I appreciate I'm take you
46:57at your word I mean you know I every
46:59time I talk to her for what's worth and
47:01not breaching attorney client privilege
47:03every time I see her I say is there
47:05anything that you haven't told me before
47:07that you want to tell me even if it's
47:09hey I know exactly where Christa is and
47:11I'm pretty straightforward to people
47:13right you know this is just so hard on
47:15her and yesterday did not help as I said
47:18when the sheriff cut off in the news on
47:20enough if you saw the news I'm watching
47:22all the news and the reporter said and
47:25when we asked him that the sheriff
47:26abrupt ended the conference and walked
47:28away which he wasn't planning to for
47:31because of that question I don't think
47:33but but the reporter made it I'm the one
47:35that asked that question and he abruptly
47:38or whatever words were but he did kind
47:40of say I'm not going to discuss that and
47:42them walks away which the news then make
47:44of aha we've got another Smoking Gun I
47:47think that was Tony gy wasn't it yeah
47:49yeah but we know how the media works and
47:52and unfortunately it's portrayed that
47:54way which does not vode well obv L for
47:57cat and the situation so you know we
48:00can't control what they put on there but
48:01you're right they certainly can they
48:03want to you know they want they want to
48:04be the first one you know I me whichever
48:06one said I was the first one to ask that
48:10question we call the inquir and we leave
48:13here today and give them the version
48:15maybe they get honest reporting for once
48:17yeah I was just asking him cat about the
48:20whole idea of the importance not that
48:22you've got anything to hide he'd like
48:24you to authorize that they going go back
48:26further on your phone instead of just
48:28limited it is there anything you would
48:30feel like you shouldn't do that for or
48:32is there something heaven forbid you us
48:35marijuana and there would be evidence of
48:37that or anything that you're worried
48:39about I mean how far would you go
48:42back my preference would be to take the
48:44whole thing um and I don't care but it's
48:48a nice way for us to also be able to go
48:50back and say hey we dug into this girl
48:53there's nothing there right we don't
48:55really care about if there's casual Mar
48:56want to use if there's like nud photos
48:59videos we're not interested in any of
49:01that and we're not here to judge any of
49:02that and they're not going on
49:04YouTube I know but I'm like I get it I
49:08have like a lot of naked photos it's
49:10okay we don't share those and that that
49:12will never like be displayed anywhere it
49:14won't be it's not even something that
49:16we'd even have to put in a report like
49:18oh we saw a bunch of nude photos no
49:19that's not a that's not our direction of
49:21where we're going with this but for
49:23example you'd said the gun did you talk
49:26to him I mean would there be stuff about
49:27that of when he conversations or you
49:30asked him why did you buy a gun or why
49:32did you get a gun or anything like that
49:35I am believing would be helpful to them
49:41um you want to talk just me for a
49:44minute I'm just trying to remember I'm
49:46sorry okay sorry there's something with
49:48your soap I'm like sensitive to some
49:49soap so like I think I might be having a
49:50reaction
49:52reaction I put sanitizer on it so
49:54hopefully that helps yeah sorry if I'm
49:56pressing my weirdly well not that lotion
49:58will help but I have lotion lotion too
50:00so usually makes it worse I've tried
50:04um well just think about it nothing you
50:08have to make a decision right now I've
50:09already been advised to not delete
50:10anything so I wouldn't but it's just the
50:14they got a copy of it anyway so yeah yep
50:17it's just the naked photo thing is like
50:18huge for me okay it's
50:21like if you want to go like a day before
50:24sure I was with my friends
50:27um I have a picture at their place but I
50:30mean you had last contact with Barton
50:32Christ you said on the on the 26th 26
50:35yeah would that help at least to go back
50:38to last time she had had contact with
50:40them yeah yeah the 26th was the Saturday
50:48um yeah I think uh even the 26 would be
50:52good if we could go to the 26 through
50:54what we already have if that's okay
50:57just want to see the damage I have on
50:59you cuz like it's
51:01embarrassing it is but you know the
51:04beest it's um well first of all It's Not
51:07Unusual we see a lot of a lot of that
51:10and honestly it's not even a forethought
51:12of any of ours like we just we produce
51:14past all that stuff it doesn't even to
51:16be to be honest at this stage in the
51:17game it's just not even interesting
51:18anymore to us yeah I
51:22just I mean we appreciate the
51:24sensitivity it is for you but on our end
51:26it's really not a deal a big deal at all
51:29it's
51:37business there like a lot of naked
51:40photos most people here's the thing
51:43people do it they usually don't take
51:45just one so
51:52yeah yeah certainly doesn't reflect on
51:55anything that we think of you
51:57and let me tell you this I do have an
51:59option in that software to redact nudity
52:02oh there
52:05you then you may go to the 26th okay but
52:10I'll let you know now mhm I have some
52:12screenshots of some people's like
52:13Facebooks I was trying to stock my
52:14friend's old hookup okay cuz we were
52:17like talking about old hookup somebody
52:18that worked here I see the badge oh yeah
52:21she was like um I was like is this him
52:25Alex Ryan I don't know if it was this
52:28guy but there's also some like you know
52:32Instagrams of like some I think his name
52:35was Alex Fel and like I was just looking
52:37and then I saw Alex Ryan so I checked
52:39Facebook but that's also in my text
52:42messages and facetimes with her MH cuz
52:44he like completely ghosted her it was
52:47like a huge Tee her name is Erica like
52:48America as she likes to say and that
52:50it's like that in my um phone but yeah
52:54so I think that's like the only thing
52:55other than my naked
52:57photos okay thought I'd explained that
53:00before I look like a
53:02stalker yeah but it was just like trying
53:04to track him down cuz she's like he
53:06ghosted me after talking to me and
53:08saying he likes me so much and then I
53:10didn't put out and then he's like goes
53:12to a bar and I'm sure he hooks up with
53:13another girl and suddenly I'm no longer
53:15interesting I'm like Erica like America
53:17men ain't [ __ ] no offense you're
53:20not I mean clearly look at where I am
53:26well you know the thing is is like
53:29sometimes you think you know somebody
53:31sometimes you do or don't or you know
53:33it's it's it's okay it's okay it's fine
53:36you know that's um we all have a life
53:39story we all have we learn from life
53:41lessons and you know and it's it's all
53:44good so yeah up till the
53:4726th um
53:49yeah I got a few xes I'd rather not talk
53:52about so I get it yeah I think I have a
53:54big one I've have big box of luggage
53:57dragging behind me now yeah for now but
53:59for now it's this is just a little hump
54:00in the road it'll it'll get better it'll
54:02get better big ass hump yeah it is
54:05especially for first true love right
54:07yeah yeah yeah that's even worse cry
54:10well I pity the next guy that wants to
54:12go out with you because I suspect your
54:13screening process is going to be
54:15rigorous oh see the thing is he was
54:18already he was always like why' you take
54:19so many screenshots I'm like I have a
54:21poor memory recordkeeping is important
54:24you know it's like I I'd rather have
54:26things so I couldn't remember them cuz
54:28clearly I'm like do we have like a porn
54:31on there of us together you know it's
54:35like it just makes everything so much
54:37easier like oh this is what I was doing
54:38that day or like literally when I was
54:41shopping with my brother that weekend I
54:43took a screen like a picture of the like
54:45um receipt to know how much I had to pay
54:46him back you know it it just helps me
54:49remember cuz like I I used to not really
54:52much anymore I go through my photos and
54:54like delete them or like remember oh
54:56yeah this is something I wanted to buy I
54:58forgot about it so I I clearly don't
55:00want it that bad delete can we make a
55:02condition I'm being a lawyer lawyer okay
55:05but to the extent that she's texting
55:07people about green or weed or anything
55:10like that unless there's something
55:11extravagant that you'll let her not be
55:14liable for who she buys her pot from if
55:17she buys pot from somebody other in
55:18Illinois and maybe that's who she's
55:20always talking to is going to Illinois
55:22to get right now we're not we have
55:23bigger bigger we're not the weed police
55:26but get where you're coming from and so
55:28I you know and I know there's no
55:30language we can use if we find
55:33indication that may be criminal activity
55:35of use of marijuana um we agree that we
55:38won't look at that or I I trust you we
55:41wouldn't be here if I didn't trust you
55:43so I'm not yeah I couldn't write her a
55:45ticket for it right now if I wanted to
55:47because I don't know
55:48how I'm leaving here to fly to Colorado
55:51and meet with my client who's just
55:52arrested for selling fentanyl heroin and
55:54cocaine yeah so and they certainly want
55:57his phone I'm sure they yeah we got
55:59bigger fish to fry for thank you yes you
56:02okay with that yeah just embarrassing
56:05picture of me in the basement with my
56:06brother's cowboy boots on
56:09like I take a lot of random photos
56:11whatever you probably told us more than
56:13we would have even noticed to be honest
56:15I mean really cuz we would just Peru
56:16through all that stuff it's not
56:18important
56:19so um sorry complicated no no wores yep
56:25um you guys ready to move on looking
56:27think July 2 so we've got an
56:29authorization for the phone back to when
56:31she actually head to bed and that may I
56:33just use that as a date could that may
56:35be helpful of confirmation of what the
56:37Rapport was with Christa Bart and what
56:40was going on at that time as
56:42well there is a video of me chugging
56:45beer on the 30th mhm cuz I kicked my
56:50friend Danny's ass but that's on
56:52Snapchat okay I don't know if you can
56:55see fence would ask me how do I even
56:57know that's beer how do I know what's in
56:59that cup so it's
57:01Alles so there you
57:04go don't say that now they're going to
57:06charge you with false reporting because
57:07they're going to be able to find out it
57:09wasn't
57:11Sor that's why we're here that's why I'm
57:14here is to just kind of Safeguard and
57:16help you be a little more comfortable
57:18and not be anxious after we leave of oh
57:21my gosh we need to do this okay so
57:23that's why I told you if you've got
57:24questions ask them got every indication
57:27there just as much as they want you to
57:28be totally honest they're going to be
57:30totally honest to the extent they can
57:32with you y okay yep yeah yeah we're not
57:35here trying to trick you or anything
57:36like that so oh no I've seen a couple
57:39FBI shows yeah it's TV though and I'm
57:42not I'm actually not very good at that
57:44so I don't bother so yes we're whatever
57:46you want to move on to okay just6 just
57:50ignore all the naked photos okay thank
57:52you yes you got that right yes okay
57:55thank you
57:57um let's see on the second which would
58:00have been I guess that's uh Friday
58:03correct the second yeah so you um guess
58:06you worked on that Friday I worked
58:08Friday yep okay and then you went to um
58:11hildale y Target Target and you got
58:14groceries I did a pickup pickup so you
58:16already had it planned out what you were
58:17going to get and everything like an
58:18order online order is that what it is
58:20yeah his mom and I love talking about
58:22our Target pickups okay um the boys
58:25would always roll their eyes for her and
58:26I would love to talk about it so um I
58:28usually just do groceries through a
58:30Target pickup with them cuz then I can
58:32just go stop it's on my way home after
58:34work M and so I stopped there uh to do
58:38that pickup and then like it's close to
58:40my apartment so I went there next to get
58:41all my dirty laundry okay uh so I could
58:44do it and
58:46then I think I like left some stuff
58:48there tuex some to have at my mom's
58:51house and then I did a East Target
58:53pickup too cuz you know if they don't
58:55have it one store you can get at the
58:57another store okay so groceries were
58:59they just the basic stuff like food yeah
59:01I have my
59:03receipt
59:05they they keep everything on the app
59:08too
59:11um purchas history
59:33so
59:35July
59:372nd um picked
59:40up I picked up at
59:44529 uh boneless pork chops oatly oat
59:49milk uh pepper jack Deli sliced cheese
59:54and hamburger buns
59:56there way you can like screenshot that
59:58or
59:59something but I'm just going to show you
1:00:01it so when you look TR that it says
1:00:02picked up back 29 July 2nd okay yeah if
1:00:05you just like screenshot that to me or
1:00:06something and then let me check the
1:00:09other
1:00:12one
1:00:17H that was the hill receipt correct mhm
1:00:20Y and then well yeah so there is two cuz
1:00:25when you do orders there's like it's
1:00:27considered like separate orders so that
1:00:29was like one of them and the other one
1:00:31was at the same time uh mushroom and
1:00:34caramelizer onion frozen pizza kings
1:00:37Hawai and sweet rolls coffee shaving
1:00:40cream mushrooms
1:00:42marinara uh Classico basil pesto and
1:00:46sweet red cherries do you also want that
1:00:48one cuz this one is also has the East
1:00:51Target pickup okay which was at 637 okay
1:00:55okay
1:00:58but I ordered it July 1st I just didn't
1:01:00pick it up till the second so I was
1:01:01going to say pick up July 2nd where I
1:01:03showed you
1:01:06sure and there was a separate Target
1:01:08alog together you want to or just twice
1:01:10that one H was there a separate Target
1:01:12all together I went to the east one too
1:01:14so that was for the watermelon at 637
1:01:17okay and then both hildale were picked
1:01:19up at the same time at
1:01:21529 do you have the can you screenshot
1:01:24the east side one too yep I screenshoted
1:01:25them both together cuz this was one
1:01:27order and then I just ordered it from
1:01:29the different store perfect yeah if you
1:01:31can send that to me I'd appreciate it
1:01:33m and then um so after hildale you go to
1:01:37your apartment mhm and that's the one on
1:01:40is it Bedford Street is that
1:01:42right gr yeah and then you pick up
1:01:45laundry okay I was going to do
1:01:48it and where were you going to do that
1:01:50at uh I was going to do it at my mom's
1:01:53and I threw it in the wash but on Sunday
1:01:55I took it to Chandler so I can stay the
1:01:57night there and just threw it in the
1:01:58dryer and then we hung up some other
1:02:00stuff and that's why there's also some
1:02:02stuff in his apartment uh in the house
1:02:04too okay so you picked up your London
1:02:06went to your moms you were going to do
1:02:07it but you didn't you just took it with
1:02:08I I washed it oh you washed it so it was
1:02:10in the wash there and then I took it out
1:02:12and put it in the reusable bags wet
1:02:14gotcha okay and then then you took it to
1:02:16Chandler's then right M on Sunday and
1:02:18then threw it in the dryer hung stuff up
1:02:20and then we went to his mom's co-workers
1:02:22for some fireworks okay this was all on
1:02:25Friday
1:02:26no so the washing clothes that was
1:02:29Sunday the target pickup was Friday
1:02:32right and then but from Target like when
1:02:33you went to hildale hildale where did
1:02:35you go after hildale to apartment your
1:02:37apartment yes okay and then what did you
1:02:39do there uh got the clothes okay threw
1:02:42away some of my old food you know yep
1:02:45pick out what I was going to leave there
1:02:46what I was going to take then went to
1:02:48your mom's went to my mom's okay but you
1:02:50don't wash them then you don't wash you
1:02:51just leave the clothes there then okay
1:02:54thank you sorry no it's okay a little
1:02:56confused too some cleared that up all
1:02:58right um okay and so when you're at your
1:03:03mom's what do you do there then just I
1:03:05think you talked about that but I picked
1:03:07up the Swiffer for him and then the
1:03:10hydrogen peroxide like the brown bottle
1:03:12one mhm okay and that's all just the S
1:03:15like just one of those brown bottles
1:03:17like yeah you know the ones you can get
1:03:18at Walgreens with like the cross on them
1:03:20mhm yeah that one just one bottle how
1:03:23many bottles one bottle just one bottle
1:03:25okay it's all we have
1:03:26yeah most people don't keep that in bold
1:03:29they're not asking but what prompted you
1:03:31to do that had he asked you to do that
1:03:33he asked me to bring it um like I I was
1:03:36just going to forget it and then he was
1:03:38like can you please stop because um he
1:03:40said he cut his toe on glass and he said
1:03:42he wanted to like use hydrogen peroxide
1:03:43to like clean it mhm and he said the
1:03:45Swiffer was to like help get get up the
1:03:47tiny stuff mhm
1:03:49so it's all the text messages too yep I
1:03:53think some of that we knew like why it
1:03:55was you were I'll Sor no no that's fine
1:03:58I just want you to that we're just not
1:03:59jumping all over because some of it we
1:04:01already already know um and
1:04:05then so you doing okay yeah you still
1:04:09doing fine yeah okay not feeling dooky
1:04:12okay good good um so on that Friday then
1:04:16you went to your mom's and then you then
1:04:18where did you go after that uh East
1:04:19Target and then not to him Chandler's
1:04:21house okay parents house okay and then
1:04:24so when you're at his house we kind of I
1:04:26mean you went through a lot of stuff
1:04:27what you did there which was pretty
1:04:28thorough um did you where did you go in
1:04:31the house do you remember specifically
1:04:33where you went
1:04:34[Music]
1:04:37um
1:04:41like upstairs living room
1:04:44[Music]
1:04:45kitchen you know the downstairs living
1:04:48room um
1:04:52bathroom is that on the main level the
1:04:54bathroom bathrooms like
1:04:57by um his dad's like little cubby area
1:05:01like where his desing computers and
1:05:03stuff
1:05:04is so it's like right next right next to
1:05:06the basement door mhm
1:05:11okay anywhere else that you can think of
1:05:14garage I didn't go in the
1:05:19garage and a basement at all not the
1:05:23basement though okay
1:05:34um when you got to the house did you
1:05:36notice any um any smells that were odd
1:05:40to you or
1:05:43different no nothing like was Chandler
1:05:46cooking or anything or there was a smoky
1:05:49smell but I thought it was because of
1:05:51like the fireplace like it being open MH
1:05:54and like you said there was Ash so and
1:05:57you know they love using that stuff and
1:05:59he used the grill to make like some
1:06:01burgers for us and that's why I picked
1:06:03up buns and like the pepper jack cheese
1:06:06and you know wian rolls and like also
1:06:08watermelon mhm and so I thought it was
1:06:11that's where the Smoky smell is coming
1:06:13from from the gorilla or the fireplace
1:06:15um in the house from the fireplace
1:06:19okay I don't know if the smell came in
1:06:22from the gr mostly smells just like
1:06:26fireplace okay Ash I'm assuming the
1:06:29girl's outside then yeah girl
1:06:40outside um eventually he burned his hand
1:06:43yeah did you see that happen no okay um
1:06:46he finished making the burgers before I
1:06:47got there okay um he said he'd only used
1:06:51the grill like maybe three times
1:06:52beforehand and then burned his hand
1:06:55trying to do sure did you see where on
1:06:56his hand the burn
1:07:00was
1:07:02um
1:07:04like
1:07:06I not really maybe like this area but I
1:07:09don't really specifically recall just
1:07:11seing and that will help is if you tell
1:07:13them what you do know versus what you
1:07:15think yep okay yeah I don't want you to
1:07:19guess so it's okay for you to just say I
1:07:22don't remember rather than again me
1:07:24being a defense them with prosecution
1:07:27that you say I think it was on the left
1:07:28hand and turns out it was on the right
1:07:31now you're not even credible and you're
1:07:32making stuff up if you don't know just
1:07:34tell them fair enough okay um do you
1:07:36know is it a gastal or a
1:07:41charcoal I don't know I'm sorry that's
1:07:50okay see there's a whole packet timeline
1:07:54yeah
1:07:56yeah I was descripted yes you were
1:08:08mhm did you ever have to buy ice uh yeah
1:08:13I
1:08:14um July 3rd he picked up uh some ice
1:08:19because he said the their ice machine in
1:08:22the basement was broken mhm and so
1:08:26so
1:08:27um yeah I got I ordered some ice for
1:08:30pickup
1:08:32on the uh July 3rd okay which was
1:08:37Saturday mhm and he did that pickup but
1:08:40um On Target the app you can add a
1:08:42pickup person but he also has my Target
1:08:44app on his phone okay um and he also
1:08:48picked up some jalapeno peppers sliced
1:08:50pickled it's really good I drink the
1:08:52juice but um you can see the pickup
1:08:55person Catherine M or Chandler halderson
1:08:57mhm which Target was that at um East and
1:09:00do you also want a screenshot of that
1:09:01one please what time was that 10:36
1:09:06a.m. how much ice did did you order um
1:09:09it's the 7 lb
1:09:12bag the $159 it has it in the receipt
1:09:15you'll see it when I send it okay yeah
1:09:19what did you need at the ice for huh
1:09:21what did you need the ice for oh it was
1:09:23for him because uh their ice machine
1:09:25their fridge upstairs I don't think it
1:09:28works and that's why they bought a
1:09:29separate ice machine and he said um that
1:09:32he usually like puts it in the girl's
1:09:35water bowls which I've seen him do okay
1:09:37and then he also puts it in his cup for
1:09:38water mhm and so he said he was just
1:09:40going to put it in there now the ice
1:09:43machine is it downstairs or upstairs um
1:09:46so there's the one in the fridge that's
1:09:48the built-in one they're ice machine
1:09:49that makes separate ice is downstairs so
1:09:52did he put the whole 7 lbs in the one
1:09:53upstairs or I didn't see him he um when
1:09:57he left my house that Saturday I just
1:09:58put it in a bag for him and he took it
1:10:01okay
1:10:03yeah okay so just to clarify and I'm
1:10:07sorry cuz I know you probably talked
1:10:08about this so um he does the pickup at
1:10:1110:36 on Saturday July 3rd for the ice
1:10:14and then does he come to your place
1:10:16after he gets to ice yeah okay which is
1:10:20your mom's house or your my mom's house
1:10:22okay and then what do you do with the
1:10:23ice when it's at your mom's house oh I I
1:10:25just shove it in the freezer um I left
1:10:27it in its bag and everything okay and
1:10:29then when he left I just took the bag
1:10:32put in like another plastic bag so it
1:10:34doesn't get on the floor and stuff okay
1:10:37and then he what time does he leave
1:10:39there
1:10:40with I don't know I
1:10:45think I
1:10:47mentioned
1:10:52around between
1:10:55like it was before 5 because my brother
1:10:58got
1:10:58home then we were going to go hang out
1:11:01with rose doing my makeup I think I was
1:11:05FaceTiming
1:11:07him it's probably covered I think in I
1:11:09think so probably I gave them around the
1:11:11time when they first interviewed me mhm
1:11:19um
1:11:23yeah just know it was
1:11:27like before 5 because that's when my
1:11:31brother's girl he's kind of seeing was
1:11:34supposed to come and then pretty much
1:11:36like when family left my brother got
1:11:39home like
1:11:42maybe less than 20
1:11:45minutes have you just curious the ice
1:11:47machine that's in the basement have you
1:11:49seen that yeah it's like one of those is
1:11:52it a counter one or is it built in or
1:11:54it's like a counter one so they have
1:11:56like two freezers because Mrs holders
1:11:59over buys and she would just put stuff
1:12:00in the freezer MH it was her favorite
1:12:03thing um but they have this drink fridge
1:12:07type thingy mhm um like that's where
1:12:10they keep their beers and like sodas oh
1:12:12yeah like a little fridge yeah and then
1:12:14it was set on top the last time I saw it
1:12:17okay cuz I've seen them more like you
1:12:19can actually have them built in the
1:12:20counter like these huge ice makers and
1:12:22fancier houses you know and I didn't
1:12:23know if that's what they had or just a
1:12:24counter top one or something it was a
1:12:26countertop one um yeah since they were
1:12:29doing so much remodeling I doubt they
1:12:31would want to put something in okay just
1:12:34one of those countertop
1:12:35ones and that works fine um he said it
1:12:39was broken and that's why he want oh
1:12:42that one too and the ice maker up in the
1:12:43freezer or upstairs yeah they both were
1:12:46broken yeah that's what he said
1:12:49okay well that stinks yeah I like my ice
1:12:52and they don't really have like Central
1:12:55air they have the one air conditioner in
1:12:57the kitchen mhm so their house is pretty
1:13:00hot they got some like new fans that go
1:13:02into their
1:13:03Windows do those run a
1:13:05lot um is it common to have all the fans
1:13:09in the house on or yeah it's very common
1:13:12okay because Miss holders she would just
1:13:13open Windows she didn't really want the
1:13:15one going MH especially if it's going to
1:13:17be cool in the night she preferred just
1:13:19opening all the windows and turning the
1:13:20fans on
1:13:23okay there
1:13:25all right I don't know where I'm at now
1:13:27we're about to the fourth on the farm I
1:13:30think oh all
1:13:32right um when ju the third when he um
1:13:38comes to your mom's after getting the
1:13:40ice anything unusual I mean with his
1:13:43behavior or
1:13:45anything do you want to um no I'll go on
1:13:49not that I recall I just remember making
1:13:52the breakfast burritos
1:13:55he was like tired but like we stayed up
1:14:00pretty late
1:14:01so um he was worried about the dogs
1:14:06especially because of the fireworks like
1:14:08I don't know if you seen Rizzo she's
1:14:10really terrified I've heard she's a bit
1:14:12of a spaz yeah
1:14:15she likes to like I was even afraid of
1:14:19them moving her from the house because
1:14:21like like when they even take her on
1:14:24Drive have to put her in a Thunder shirt
1:14:26a diaper like have someone sit in the
1:14:28back with her she's doing good now I
1:14:29know
1:14:30that um I've been in touch with people
1:14:33that have her and she's doing well okay
1:14:34I'm glad yeah and like Izzy is like 15
1:14:37so mhm yeah both dogs are doing good I'm
1:14:40glad
1:14:44yeah sorry what were you saying no I was
1:14:47just wondering like what yeah what how
1:14:49he was the day at your mom's after
1:14:51stopping by with the ice um
1:14:57hungry
1:14:59um said his legs were still like tingly
1:15:02and I was still like having a hard time
1:15:03with
1:15:04them um we just like ate
1:15:08and I
1:15:11think yeah we just I know we just
1:15:14watched
1:15:15Daybreak um because we were finishing
1:15:18that up because we started it Friday mhm
1:15:20and watched it that day and then I think
1:15:22we finished it Sunday
1:15:26and you probably already talked about
1:15:27his his legs tingling is that from when
1:15:29he fell okay so did it start right away
1:15:32after he fell or did it something that
1:15:35kind of came about after a while um do
1:15:38you
1:15:45know sorry I'm trying to remember no
1:15:47that's fine
1:16:08I don't exactly recall yeah there but he
1:16:10never had any issues with his legs
1:16:12before the fall before the fall no not
1:16:14nothing like that okay did he have any
1:16:17issues before the fall like any medical
1:16:19issues or physical
1:16:21issues he mentioned he was like sick you
1:16:25know like said it was something like
1:16:28with his blood cuz he got like shots
1:16:30like a pelet gun or a BB gun yeah oh so
1:16:35that and then like he's hit his head
1:16:38before in like a swimming accident he
1:16:41said H then you don't know anything
1:16:43about any of that though before he met
1:16:45you um yeah those were before he met me
1:16:49like scar in his arm I think I only saw
1:16:52it once he you know
1:16:57that's so is he a swimmer yeah he swim
1:16:59uh at States his mom would take him to
1:17:01like every meat wow like Varsity
1:17:03freshman year many medals okay yeah
1:17:07super good at
1:17:10swimming that's where he has said them
1:17:12I'm assuming yeah he was also a
1:17:15lifeguard and he did diving
1:17:19so like high diving or scuba diving uh
1:17:22he also did scuba diving um
1:17:26like not this passing summer but the
1:17:28summer before he like scuba die for the
1:17:30DNR he
1:17:31said
1:17:34yeah do you know anything about when he
1:17:36worked for the DNR at
1:17:38all um it was a summer
1:17:42job stud did water samples scuba die for
1:17:46him that's cool like just around here
1:17:49I'm assuming yeah just around here um
1:17:51that have been like two summers ago or
1:17:54so not summer so the summer before okay
1:17:56so that would have been like summer 2020
1:17:59okay just last summer
1:18:01then all right and I'm sure you guys
1:18:03have talked about that sorry no going
1:18:05over a lot of stuff again that's fine
1:18:08um are we on July 4th no I think
1:18:12so yay like two days down we don't have
1:18:17a ton for you it seems like a lot but I
1:18:20think just I'm more curious about
1:18:22sometimes what you were telling me so I
1:18:24ask a little bit more you know but it's
1:18:26I also do go on tangents I'm not going
1:18:28to lie I talk about my dog a
1:18:30lot should have warned you I'm a talker
1:18:32that's okay we're listeners
1:18:35yep all right
1:18:42so okay got
1:18:49that oh I do have a question before we
1:18:51get to the fourth um when you were at at
1:18:56um Chandler's house do you normally have
1:18:59fans going or anything ceiling fans or
1:19:01anything like that we asked that oh we
1:19:04already got that fans yes yeah where was
1:19:06I sitting right here she said it's very
1:19:09common okay this Mrs holders likes to
1:19:12keep them on okay it's like so hot in
1:19:16the house yes yes I remember that I
1:19:17think I was writing at the time but I do
1:19:18remember that now yes i' rather have
1:19:21that than air conditioning the one air
1:19:24conditioner central air
1:19:26okay it house seems new enough it would
1:19:28have Central it's they're like updating
1:19:31everything so like it was older I
1:19:33believed and like they were just doing
1:19:36everything little by little and she was
1:19:37getting like they ordered new windows in
1:19:39for like September and like so the only
1:19:43air was like in the kitchen MH she
1:19:46rarely put it on plus it was like a
1:19:48scorcher cuz you know they're Border
1:19:49Collies with long hair right other than
1:19:51that they go outside and spray them with
1:19:53the hose and like um they have a little
1:19:55pool for
1:20:01them all right so the fourth you're at
1:20:04your farm my mom's fiance's Farm yeah
1:20:07fiance's Farm okay um and you're having
1:20:10a like with the whole family like a
1:20:12little get together okay um where does
1:20:16that take place I'm guessing outside
1:20:18obviously they dinner yeah and every
1:20:20inside but like is everyone ever is
1:20:22everyone outside at some point can't
1:20:24remember what the day was like was it
1:20:26nice weather I don't
1:20:27remember
1:20:29four my mom and
1:20:32Chris they were outside at some points
1:20:34but when we ate we all ate inside okay
1:20:37because we left the dogs outside because
1:20:40they dogs muffin peas when she's excited
1:20:42mhm and she has nice carpet and old
1:20:45house so no one wants to do a puppy
1:20:49right and
1:20:57um we didn't really like all of
1:21:01us set outside you know what I mean but
1:21:04like we ate inside mom and CR were
1:21:06mostly inside but they were outside
1:21:08every now and then especially when
1:21:10muffin started eating the mulberries I
1:21:12got out of the like pool to like try and
1:21:15call them and then they weren't
1:21:16answering so I started trying to chase
1:21:18her in cuz I didn't know if mulberries
1:21:20were like you know bad for dogs and then
1:21:23like they were trying to call me back
1:21:24and like they're like you know trying to
1:21:28bring muffin in cuz like she's not even
1:21:31one years old and they don't want her to
1:21:32get sick cuz she has gotten sick before
1:21:34on the farm from eating something she
1:21:35wasn't supposed to mhm so we were trying
1:21:37to keep an eye on
1:21:39her um so they're like on the porch for
1:21:44that
1:21:45um my brother and his girl like gave him
1:21:50a small mini tour like we don't really
1:21:52go past the wild flowers mhm cuz you
1:21:55know Crest gets paid for by the state to
1:21:57like you know now use pesticides protect
1:22:00the flowers cuz then that brings in bees
1:22:02yep um we stopped at the chicken cpop so
1:22:05I can take a picture with Chandler's
1:22:08chicken Hawkeye M his mom always wanted
1:22:10photos so like I only had like one from
1:22:12the summer before and so I was like let
1:22:14me go catch Hawkeye mhm and then like he
1:22:17took some photos there me holding him
1:22:20but you know chipaco was trying to get
1:22:21into to eat the
1:22:23chickens um
1:22:27that' be bad I think yeah we we need
1:22:31those eggs we eat a lot of
1:22:33eggs
1:22:35um so this is while you're giving the
1:22:37tour to your brother and his girlfriend
1:22:38you said no they kind of did like their
1:22:40own thing the chicken C thing was like
1:22:42they were doing their thing and Chandler
1:22:44and I were trying to get pictures
1:22:49of I love it that's awesome
1:22:56all right okay so after the like any
1:22:58place else you guys have gone
1:23:02um is there a barn there's a barn but
1:23:06like I didn't really Venture in there
1:23:08except to bring my brother's cooler in
1:23:10there cuz he made us haul it there and I
1:23:12said if we're taking your girl back I'm
1:23:13not hauling that too cuz I'm sure you
1:23:16guys saw my car it's
1:23:19fil that's where I keep on my things
1:23:21sure well you're kind of bounced around
1:23:22a lot of different places yeah
1:23:25busy and
1:23:27so um so I draged that to like the a
1:23:31little inside part but I didn't go far
1:23:33in cuz there's like spiders and I
1:23:35[ __ ] hate spiders dude spiders are
1:23:38nasty
1:23:40um the chanler go the bar at
1:23:47all not that I recall but there was
1:23:50where a point where he was changing um
1:23:53cuz he kept a swimsuit in his to in my
1:23:54car okay and I changed inside but he
1:23:58like just went on the other side of the
1:24:00car that's like close to the barn like
1:24:01you know where the gas tank is M like we
1:24:03were proba kind of there okay and he was
1:24:06on the passenger side so he was next to
1:24:08like the barn and gas tank area changing
1:24:10mhm and I did watch a little man look my
1:24:14boyfriend but like there was Parts where
1:24:16I was talking with Rose and Rose and I
1:24:17were like looking for raspberries on the
1:24:19bush if you guys haven't got any of
1:24:20those raspberries they really good and
1:24:23so she's from Ohio mhm so she doesn't
1:24:25really have like farm grown
1:24:28raspberries so like we were picking some
1:24:30and making sure chewing muffin didn't
1:24:33like venture too far into the wild
1:24:34flowers cuz we would never get them back
1:24:36mhm like muffin's just tiny I've been
1:24:39out there it's pretty tall yeah little
1:24:41dog get lost pretty quick MH the only
1:24:43time we like go in there like cros rose
1:24:49like for hunting cuz of the tower MH and
1:24:51it's just to go retrieve or sure
1:24:58yeah um so I has Chandler ever been to
1:25:03your apartment like let's just say the
1:25:06beginning of the month has he been to
1:25:08your apartment July yeah he hasn't been
1:25:10to my apartment since before his fall
1:25:13okay yeah right cuz that's around the
1:25:15time I started staying with my mom cuz
1:25:17that's when I had my tailbone cyst just
1:25:19closed up
1:25:27that must have been a little painful gu
1:25:29it was awful I like
1:25:32missed like 3 days of work driving
1:25:35myself to Urgent Care was hell I believe
1:25:38it yeah
1:25:40like you know that has to be the last
1:25:43day he was there
1:25:45um I
1:25:48have pictures of
1:25:51us
1:25:53um cuz he took a little picture of my
1:25:56butt to look at the
1:25:58cyst I really don't need to see
1:26:02that dat
1:26:05times oh this is the one I
1:26:12took took pictures together at my
1:26:14apartment but that's when I was like
1:26:16starting to feel a little bit of the
1:26:17bump it was very ons set but the last
1:26:19time he was at my apartment was June
1:26:2115th
1:26:27can you just bring little Clos out you
1:26:28see the whole photo just so I can see
1:26:29the time on oh our Ball
1:26:33Park June 15th Madison yep 556
1:26:38okay and then he was back at his place
1:26:427:29 that's him in the bathroom yep
1:26:46if he sometimes s SNS up each other on
1:26:48the
1:26:51toilet modern day loog yeah got what
1:26:54just got to
1:26:55do not that it gets me going
1:26:59but
1:27:01yeah okay anything else on the fourth no
1:27:04we're
1:27:05good then I was there the 16th because
1:27:09that's when I had like my thing going on
1:27:11like I drove um there from urgent care
1:27:15and his parents I stayed in his room his
1:27:17dad was working downstairs M and
1:27:21then um
1:27:24he drove me back in my car and then
1:27:27dropped me off and his parents picked
1:27:28him up okay because I just laying down
1:27:33sitting standing all of it was hard
1:27:36believe it
1:27:39yeah not fun don't get a tail bust
1:27:45yeah do not sound
1:27:49like all
1:27:51right I think we're just about done who
1:27:53are you at 12 yeah um just a couple
1:27:56minor
1:27:58things
1:28:00um somewhere along the way we got
1:28:03information that Smith and Chandler went
1:28:06for a swim on the Wisconsin River does
1:28:08that sound familiar to you at all yeah I
1:28:10was there for that oh you were okay
1:28:11where do you know where they were
1:28:13geographically
1:28:16um so there's this like little off-road
1:28:21we go on to and then like we walk the
1:28:23rest of the way to get to the water okay
1:28:25but it's
1:28:28like
1:28:30um a little like it's like a town we go
1:28:34to a Culver's there there's where we
1:28:37were there's like
1:28:41two um Island type thingies okay and um
1:28:46if you go in their backyard that you can
1:28:48see some clam shells cuz we found clam
1:28:50shells there if that's the ones that are
1:28:52in the water not was I think that's
1:28:54ocean yeah mhm and
1:28:58yeah so you have to like Park in a
1:29:00parking lot and walk through a gate or
1:29:01anything like that um it's like a dead
1:29:04end okay and then there's like this
1:29:06little like rail thing okay and then you
1:29:10like walk past and it's like a little
1:29:12yeah is it a long walk short walk to get
1:29:14to the river M it feels long but it
1:29:16can't be more than like 10 minutes
1:29:18Chandler knows the way I've only been
1:29:21there like
1:29:22maybe three times
1:29:26okay you happen to take a snap or do
1:29:28anything when you've been there cuz
1:29:30there's a ton of DNR land along the
1:29:33Wisconsin River in general yeah
1:29:37so if I can get just even a ballpark
1:29:40idea where that
1:29:46was um so I have a picture of me but I
1:29:50don't have a picture of the land okay it
1:29:53was a
1:30:01um on the 12th at 5 3:53 okay and in my
1:30:08reflection of sunglasses you can see
1:30:10Chandler's swim trunks
1:30:12okay right there
1:30:16okay that's June
1:30:1812 yeah June 12th is there like a
1:30:21location on there or something Sock City
1:30:23June 12th
1:30:25is that a is that a snap is there a way
1:30:26we can see
1:30:27the better location or anything no okay
1:30:31it's only like in the moment okay like
1:30:34when they open the SNP and they're there
1:30:36that's when they're
1:30:37there yeah if you can't you can't just
1:30:41yeah
1:30:43um like sorry how is that relation to
1:30:47you snap could be close it could be
1:30:50close was that close to where that snap
1:30:52Emoji was that you told us we talked
1:30:53about earlier see I I was asking about
1:30:56that like did you go to the spot mhm and
1:30:58I he said no he was like driving to get
1:31:01CBD but like when I was looking at it
1:31:04uhhuh it looked like this like where the
1:31:08dead end is I just don't know Road names
1:31:10he usually just directs me to get
1:31:13there
1:31:15um I just know when you look across the
1:31:18water there's like a pier people can
1:31:20walk on to okay um is there do you see
1:31:25town like you can kind of see Town yeah
1:31:30okay okay that changes things a little
1:31:32bit that actually helps me a little bit
1:31:34then yeah just that's that's my old
1:31:35patroler so I kind of know all the
1:31:36Ripper properties but I just want to
1:31:38make sure we're looking at the right
1:31:39ones yeah it's like you see a lot of
1:31:41people like tubing like and people
1:31:44usually like take little boats out to
1:31:46like there's the one but it has like
1:31:48trees and vegetation on there and
1:31:50there's another one that has like a
1:31:52little bit of vegetation mostly sand
1:31:53where people go and there was like a
1:31:55huge group of people like
1:31:57woo and we were there and I I caught a
1:32:00crawfish very proud of myself
1:32:02yes at least you didn't step on it no do
1:32:06you have other like rural areas he goes
1:32:08to with woodsy areas or anything like
1:32:09that that he would spend
1:32:15time no not off the top of my head he
1:32:18was an eagle scout so he's been to like
1:32:19a lot of places MH um we went on a hike
1:32:24like last year
1:32:27um I don't know the name of it okay
1:32:31um but it was like you can hike up there
1:32:35was it near the river again or somewhere
1:32:37else no somewhere else like on the way
1:32:39to Devil's Lake okay
1:32:44um he goes on him and his dad will go on
1:32:48bike rides mhm like from their house
1:32:51like they talk about like
1:32:54a path they go on and like they take
1:32:56walks there too like the three of them
1:32:59with his mom and
1:33:11dad do you know when Liz is going to be
1:33:13back I don't I didn't know she was out
1:33:15of out of commission today I think she's
1:33:18out she's on
1:33:20vacation might be through next week too
1:33:22oh is she yeah
1:33:24yeah could it's vacation season so
1:33:26everybody's kind of Hit or Miss yes
1:33:30hence getting JB Squad
1:33:32today I know George gave me cookies last
1:33:35time I was here well oh George every
1:33:39that's the bar high for us that's just
1:33:42it homemade you say no that even that's
1:33:47like way off my radar though sucker I've
1:33:50met
1:33:51George brought me a sucker too
1:33:54good wow cuddling well I guess we are
1:33:57just really
1:33:59subpar vending machine on way
1:34:02out um I've not been eating much how did
1:34:05Chandler usually pay for things does he
1:34:08have like a debit card Credit Card Cash
1:34:10venmo Card Card okay um he has a debit
1:34:14card too
1:34:17but
1:34:19yeah venm Mo and de but you said he like
1:34:22also would get have C too
1:34:26okay where does he bank at I don't know
1:34:30okay if he did I don't even know with
1:34:33his dad I
1:34:37believe have you sent him money or has
1:34:40he sent you money from that card on
1:34:42venmo but we only venmo okay would that
1:34:46tied to the accounts or um I know CU I
1:34:49use venmo oh right too it can be any
1:34:52account but yeah yeah but yeah when you
1:34:55guys like need to reimburse each other
1:34:56for stuff you just use Veno yeah we just
1:34:57use venmo I also have a Veno card
1:35:03um it's convenient I mean who would have
1:35:07thought 20 years ago we' be transferring
1:35:09money that way it's crazy yeah has a
1:35:12cash app card but he doesn't use that
1:35:13one ever it's mostly just fun
1:35:16Mo ST card Dem card
1:35:24pleas yeah good doing good sorry does he
1:35:28keep any clothing or anything at your
1:35:29apartment on
1:35:31troger your mom's place
1:35:34um sorry when you said Apartment A foger
1:35:36that's my mom's I know I'm sorry yeah
1:35:39terminology little B yeah apartment on
1:35:41Bedford um I keep like he gives me a lot
1:35:45of his clothing you know I'm his
1:35:46girlfriend M so like in my car there's
1:35:48going to be a couple of his sweaters my
1:35:50apartment I have like some of his pants
1:35:53um sleeping pants MH um every now and
1:35:56again I'll get some boxers from him sure
1:35:58but then they usually return to
1:36:01him yeah it's not I usually have his
1:36:04clothes cuz I wear them okay yeah he
1:36:07doesn't like sleeping in an oversized
1:36:10hoodie picture I showed you at my
1:36:12apartment was in his pajama bottoms M so
1:36:16it wasn't uncommon to see me walking
1:36:17around in his sweaters sure
1:36:27let's
1:36:28see oh speaking of your mom's
1:36:31place so um you guys know that you know
1:36:35we were there searching and we talked
1:36:37about the distinction between Rob and
1:36:39rope I think it was right yeah um so the
1:36:42one place that we' really like just to
1:36:44do a search of is your bedroom MH there
1:36:47do you have any issues with
1:36:51that again it's just more of a thing
1:36:53like we have boxes to check and that's
1:36:55just one thing we just like to check off
1:36:57our things so there's no like motive of
1:36:59why we're really looking it's just a box
1:37:01that we have to check so just when you
1:37:02open my closet and everything comes down
1:37:04like an avalanche sorry okay it's
1:37:07usually
1:37:08like stuff gets stored sure
1:37:15um just don't ruin my clothing oh gosh
1:37:19no we're you know I don't know probably
1:37:21you see on TV or something when they you
1:37:23go through p houses or search Wars or
1:37:24maybe what you might have heard no we'd
1:37:27be very respectful because this is you
1:37:29like I said it's more of a box we got to
1:37:30check so we're not if you're give us
1:37:32promotion we're not going to trash it
1:37:33yeah like I probably won't fold your
1:37:36clothes for you but I'm not going to
1:37:37mess things up either
1:37:39so okay we can work on that I guess we
1:37:42probably yeah we'll arange it some El
1:37:45yeah what's convenient for you like I
1:37:48mean and for your mom I guess yeah my
1:37:51mom's home uh
1:37:54they're doing like open houses and stuff
1:37:57so like I don't know if you want to do
1:37:59it while they're doing open houses
1:38:01probably not yeah yeah that probably
1:38:03would be good yeah but there's been a
1:38:04lot of people going in and out of each
1:38:06room so sorry that's good no that's good
1:38:10we'll get it sorted out yeah they tried
1:38:14what's your schedule Monday
1:38:16afternoon I'm going Monday afternoon I
1:38:18am as of now but that can certainly
1:38:20change yeah I mean I I don't know what
1:38:23your plans are after this or today or
1:38:25later this afternoon or evening or
1:38:27tomorrow I'm good
1:38:28too I'm just I'm sorry I've got to fight
1:38:31to Colorado as I said that's right I'm
1:38:33be back on Monday okay so going to do
1:38:36like one or two I don't know what time
1:38:38it is yet right now but early this
1:38:40afternoon you can be okay that what time
1:38:44it's noon it's noon
1:38:48already I I don't know what time they're
1:38:50doing the open hous is I don't know if
1:38:52it's like from one to Whenever two to
1:38:55whatever so well I gave you my card
1:38:58right yes why don't you just call me
1:39:01okay and like talk to your mom and just
1:39:02see what would work best so we're just
1:39:05trying to make this convenient for you
1:39:06so I could really kind of work around
1:39:07your schedle need to be there of my
1:39:09phones and we're doing we're doing one
1:39:11room so frankly we can probably bring
1:39:13one or two people in one car so it
1:39:14doesn't look like The Blues Brothers
1:39:15outside of your house right um yeah cuz
1:39:18some neighbors were like tell people who
1:39:20aren't supposed to be at your house are
1:39:22you okay and I'm like I'm fine
1:39:23yeah my neighb were like stopping like
1:39:26are you okay I'm like yes I'm just
1:39:28grabbing the mail yeah and we'll be
1:39:30dressed like this so it wouldn't be like
1:39:33uniforms or anything if you're good with
1:39:34that just let me know what your mom's
1:39:36good with and what you're good with but
1:39:37I can make arrangements and be available
1:39:39whenever I think we could be in out of
1:39:41one room in half an hour or long it's
1:39:44like Thursdays Friday Saturday Sundays
1:39:47they have like certain times it's like
1:39:49whatever the realtor says so I would
1:39:51have to ask my mom sure I just want to
1:39:53be respectful of that so they're oh
1:39:55absolutely yeah we we did try talking to
1:39:58them about like holding off the sale but
1:39:59I think you did too I did and they
1:40:01weren't really having it so there's
1:40:04people been people in and out of the
1:40:05house and we just right well you still
1:40:07have to like live your life and do what
1:40:09you have plan too so appreciate that but
1:40:11yeah definitely try to be a as possible
1:40:14they're like well sorry and I'm like I
1:40:17don't know if we want random people in
1:40:18our house at a time like this yeah but I
1:40:23can
1:40:23yeah if you don't mind yeah of course
1:40:26just got to double check sure yes what's
1:40:29and I know we have it but what's your
1:40:30number just so when I see it on my phone
1:40:31I won't be like who's this got it thank
1:40:37you just the rifle yeah I'll let you
1:40:39talk about that so you already described
1:40:42the rifle to us in pretty good detail so
1:40:44I'm not going to make you go back
1:40:45through that um when is the last time
1:40:48you saw
1:40:49it when it was given to him okay so like
1:40:53the day it was handed to him that's the
1:40:54last time you saw it and do you have any
1:40:57idea where it would be now
1:41:00um they put it somewhere in the
1:41:04basement okay
1:41:10um when you were in there was the wood
1:41:13still there I don't know I haven't been
1:41:16in there oh um so if you can tell me
1:41:18about the wood you might be able to help
1:41:20so like I'm going to have to stay up so
1:41:22I can remember that I'm showing you guys
1:41:23on my butt that's okay
1:41:25stairs right hand side uhhuh drinks and
1:41:29there's like wood okay like it was like
1:41:32you know cut wood okay like Lumber
1:41:34stacked up for the project or yeah for
1:41:37like yeah okay so cuz his dad just made
1:41:41a table for Miss hon okay but I would
1:41:45check there okay is there like just a
1:41:47storage location there or a safe or
1:41:49something or just that's kind of where
1:41:50he kept it I think I think that's where
1:41:52they put it when he first got it okay
1:41:54did you tell me they've got a gun safe
1:41:56in the house they also have a gun safe
1:41:57in the house okay so have you seen the
1:41:59inside of it or no I don't even know
1:42:01where it is okay he know it like I guess
1:42:04you don't know where it is but never
1:42:05seen it don't know where it is but he
1:42:07just mentioned that they have a gun safe
1:42:09okay meaning Chandler mentioned that
1:42:11that they have a gun safe or okay but
1:42:13Mitch would know all that wouldn't he
1:42:15yeah Mitch would okay yeah he's their
1:42:17son
1:42:18sure any other guns that you've seen or
1:42:21know about
1:42:32not that I can recall but you know mhm
1:42:35it's on the college shooting team so I'm
1:42:37sure they got a couple sure it's
1:42:39probably why they have a gun save yeah
1:42:41would make
1:42:44sense nothing that I can remember at the
1:42:46top of my head you know sure like you
1:42:49said better not to like throw something
1:42:50out there that could be technicality and
1:42:52I don't want it we yeah so not that I
1:42:55can recall okay fair
1:43:10enough got
1:43:13it me run
1:43:16down um check yeah you can that
1:43:26so you said you had to go to Colorado
1:43:27today I do what time is your flight it
1:43:30all depends oh on this or no well this
1:43:34is listen I'm I got a law of practice in
1:43:36both Colorado and here okay so I don't
1:43:40know like where where are you working so
1:43:42I work for w house specialty mail
1:43:44Pharmacy I um so what we do is we fill
1:43:48like you know specialty medications and
1:43:50we send them out all across the country
1:43:52like we send to like Florida California
1:43:55and I do a rotating shift so we all
1:43:58shift like through the pharmacy and do
1:44:00different jobs nice so like so how does
1:44:02someone your age so young get like a
1:44:04cool job like that I remember from a
1:44:06factory when I was
1:44:0720 um they have a pharmacy technician
1:44:10program that I did I took a semester off
1:44:12of school to do it oh good for you is
1:44:15that kind of your interest or
1:44:16Pharmaceuticals or something like okay
1:44:18my plan was to be a doctor of Pharmacy
1:44:20but I don't know if I'm going to do
1:44:21school this semester yeah yeah that's a
1:44:24long haul I know someone who's a few
1:44:26people have their PHD in Pharmaceuticals
1:44:28and it's they seem happy but it's good
1:44:31money yeah
1:44:34yep it's like law school it's l of years
1:44:36of
1:44:39school huh kind of mentally exhausted as
1:44:42of lately so yeah well you have a lot
1:44:45going on right now obviously
1:44:49so are you sleeping okay not really they
1:44:53put me on some stuff to help but it's
1:44:55it's for like anxiety and stuff and like
1:44:57sleep but it's not really doing it and
1:45:00then Daniel set me up with trying to
1:45:02talk to some trauma therapists and they
1:45:04gave me something for appetite but
1:45:06that's also not really helping so it's
1:45:08just been a lot well yeah and you know
1:45:11give give your body a break too like
1:45:13it's okay I mean it's a normal thing but
1:45:15it it stinks obviously but um obviously
1:45:19some days going to be better than others
1:45:20and you know it's okay not to be okay
1:45:24especially under these circumstances
1:45:25it's just if it gets to be too bad I
1:45:27hope you would reach out to someone you
1:45:28know yeah I would
1:45:31yeah I have a lot of friends like the
1:45:34one with the kangaroo who are taking
1:45:36very good care of me yeah yeah very
1:45:38lucky how many friends can you say they
1:45:41have a pet a kangaroo has a pet I mean
1:45:44seriously she like she's so funny she
1:45:47like just showed up and she like just
1:45:49handed him to me she's like here you go
1:45:51like I suppos to bring andler and his
1:45:53family to meet them the kangaroo and
1:45:55like take a tour of the farm meet her
1:45:58bison and their
1:46:00horses they have a pig they have a pig a
1:46:03pet pig it's in the little area for it
1:46:07yeah they have two
1:46:11dogs what what's out at your mom's
1:46:13fiance's farm and they have animals
1:46:15raspberries chickens so that's just said
1:46:1710 okay yeah she would make wine so
1:46:20there's like some grapes on a vine fine
1:46:23too and like the mulberries nice but she
1:46:26mostly just sells the
1:46:28raspberries good but you grew up in the
1:46:32city then right yeah they started dating
1:46:34when I was like
1:46:3716 oh goodness what high school did you
1:46:40go to Le fallet did you yeah on the
1:46:43tennis team did theater
1:46:45softball that's a lot yeah Youth
1:46:49Court really what's that it's like a
1:46:52instead of sending kids to jail or
1:46:55giving them like expensive tickets we
1:46:56just give them Alternatives like okay
1:46:58yeah so you kind of monitored that like
1:47:00what I would just help out when they
1:47:01like needed people but I didn't do it
1:47:03all the time cuz I also did like show
1:47:05choir and that was also during
1:47:08lunch yeah that kind of stinks so that
1:47:10you had to give up your lunch for for
1:47:13all that but that's a lot I mean for a
1:47:15big school I'm impressed just because I
1:47:17feel like there's so many an
1:47:19overachievement yeah there's so many
1:47:21numbers and you know like how do you get
1:47:23involved in all
1:47:24that have friends say hey show up I'm
1:47:26like okay that's
1:47:29good softball though huh you said yeah I
1:47:32only did that for two years
1:47:33so good
1:47:35feel got like hit Square in the
1:47:38chest some some girls throw hard yeah
1:47:41they say they were like born with bats
1:47:42in their hands you know parents pay from
1:47:44when they're super young yeah and have
1:47:47yeah all the money to put their kids in
1:47:49club sports and stuff like that yeah yep
1:47:54uh so what position did you play
1:47:55softball um freshman year left Fields
1:47:58sophomore year I was
1:48:00ctured that's why you were getting hit
1:48:02in the chest right yeah I remember one
1:48:04time I barehanded it and like the's like
1:48:06why would you do that I'm like I don't
1:48:08know I wasn't thinking about it just
1:48:10caught the
1:48:11pitch did it split up in your hand or
1:48:14anything no it just was really red and
1:48:16it stung it was like cold
1:48:18out it's even worse yeah
1:48:25hopefully you guys can get out of here
1:48:27soon I appreciate you just sitting here
1:48:29being patient and whatever helps I know
1:48:32I
1:48:33mean yeah like I said we just have a lot
1:48:36of things that are moving parts right
1:48:38now and time sensitive so we weren't
1:48:41purposely trying to avoid getting your
1:48:43car back it's just going to yeah that's
1:48:45what Daniel was saying he was like they
1:48:48probably it's probably on the back
1:48:49burner they're like looking at the house
1:48:52looking at everything thing so it's fine
1:48:54yep I just want clean panties oh that's
1:48:57yours I'm know that's yours or
1:48:59mine hey
1:49:02Mom yeah I'm just with Daniel right now
1:49:05and uh done with the
1:49:09sheriff yeah just answering some more
1:49:10questions mom nothing
1:49:13wrong I haven't met her mom so Daniel
1:49:16she's big Warrior and yeah and can I get
1:49:19your name Janet and Janet
1:49:28yeah I'm fine just you probably will
1:49:30have met our detective
1:49:33bar she met Liz and she met George Tim
1:49:37and myself anyone else just you
1:49:40try said they'll give me my
1:49:43card maybe a couple days not exact
1:49:46timeline it's
1:49:49fine yeah we yeah I let them know
1:49:52expecting to find I'm sorry we're not
1:49:54expecting to find a whole lot in our car
1:49:56but we still have to process it and I
1:49:59guess we'll let you know after that and
1:50:01as you can imagine she's going through
1:50:04the whole gamut of emotions and Mom says
1:50:07Hi mom lets him in and then she finds
1:50:09out that there's rope in the house and
1:50:11it's like the trash as you can imagine
1:50:14the emotions of G all the things you're
1:50:17telling me then how is rope from
1:50:19wherever ending up in our house yeah
1:50:23I have no idea well and I believe you
1:50:26okay you know I
1:50:28mean
1:50:30yeah you can do one of those little ties
1:50:33and
1:50:34isues but that wasn't part of your adult
1:50:36activity right huh I'm teasing I'm being
1:50:40and teasing
1:50:41you humor is okay in a situation like
1:50:43this it's not inappropriate it's okay
1:50:45like I think it um you know it's just
1:50:48you have to get through it's okay to
1:50:50have humor wants to it's it's awkward
1:50:52for as well that we've been neighbors
1:50:54and I've been in your life for what 10
1:50:56years yeah and my sister is her
1:50:59principal at school oh my gosh so conne
1:51:03how old was Yugo Ugo like middle school
1:51:07and he's like so she's been to school
1:51:08system and so we know the whole family
1:51:11they live next door and I'm in the
1:51:12culdesac as well nice yeah that's good
1:51:16yeah the neighbors seem to be pretty
1:51:17good about not overly being nosy right
1:51:22yeah I mean it's also human nature
1:51:24though too certainly not the house the
1:51:26other way where the guy stabbed is the
1:51:28other one in the head right he's gone
1:51:30but the person who lives there like
1:51:32she's friends with my mom brought her
1:51:33coffee the other day and like when I I
1:51:36was the one I was talking about like
1:51:37people asking me stopping while they're
1:51:38driving like are you okay when I'm
1:51:40getting mail it was her yeah she's like
1:51:44one of my many moms yeah well they're
1:51:46concerned obviously
1:51:48it's human nature also the ones that
1:51:51don't know you probably that well either
1:51:52to make sure their neighborhood and
1:51:54again that's ad mention of strangers of
1:51:58people she doesn't really even know that
1:51:59went to high school with her was in
1:52:01eighth grade with her and all of a
1:52:03sudden now they want to be her friends
1:52:04and do you remember me and what can I do
1:52:07and which is nice but at a time like
1:52:10this most overwhelming kind of looky L
1:52:12trying to know what's
1:52:14happened be able to say I talk to her
1:52:17and yeah yeah yeah people just suck MH
1:52:21and like
1:52:23already like block two friends quote
1:52:26unquote friends y that's bad bad yeah I
1:52:32don't even know what to think about
1:52:33social media to be honest I just it's a
1:52:36it's a world that I never grew up in and
1:52:38I'm not trying to say it's a bad thing
1:52:40but there's so many negative things
1:52:42about it I think there could it could be
1:52:44used for a positive right but very
1:52:46rarely do I see a lot of that positivity
1:52:50so yeah
1:52:53but I do maybe I'm just old I don't like
1:52:55to change with the times I have no idea
1:52:58but it's I have a smartphone so I'm not
1:53:00saying that I don't go on my phone but I
1:53:03you have two smartphones well one's work
1:53:05one's my personal
1:53:07so I know I'm not
1:53:11promise I mean I have two but Liz gave
1:53:13me the other one so okay yep yeah um
1:53:18yeah so that's I know a little bit about
1:53:20it but I just know I'm not concerned
1:53:22assumed for you know your generation
1:53:24that's what you live through is like
1:53:26everything's on your phone well you're
1:53:27seeing right I mean I'm amazed at how
1:53:29much you have on your phone and then I
1:53:30realize you pretty much live on your
1:53:32phone right where we going for dinner
1:53:34and I'll pay for it with my venmo and
1:53:37you know all the stuff
1:53:39so yeah oh it's easy I mean it does make
1:53:43things a lot easier but so there is a
1:53:46convenience for sure definitely
1:53:48understand that just on the anxiety that
1:53:51causes people though on the the whole
1:53:53issue with um like knowing what people
1:53:56are doing maybe not at your age but I
1:53:59feel like just the people kids I've
1:54:00talked to that are Middle School age or
1:54:02even high school MH they it's like this
1:54:06um they're constantly checking where
1:54:08everyone can be because everyone has
1:54:09their locations on right so if you're
1:54:10not included you know you're not
1:54:12included M that caus a lot of anxiety
1:54:14and that causes a lot of issues and my
1:54:16brother is that person who's always
1:54:17checking like what his friends are doing
1:54:19so I only have like select few be
1:54:23included
1:54:28um no only in chantler yeah but
1:54:33like if he were to look at my location
1:54:36if he had his phone he could see like
1:54:37I'm here and then you can zoom all the
1:54:39way in specifically to the building okay
1:54:44yep and I mean this how it looks so real
1:54:47like those little emojis like they you
1:54:49can make them look just like you you
1:54:50know or similar like how it used to be
1:54:53is like you could see like what the
1:54:55building looked like you know oh right
1:54:58like yeah I don't know if it showed that
1:55:00but like you can customize your bit
1:55:01Emoji to look like you yep but if you
1:55:04zoom in close enough like yeah you saw
1:55:07you can see like certain buildings like
1:55:08cars
1:55:10and yeah you
1:55:13know so that's yeah they say like lot of
1:55:16people get stopped that way and
1:55:21so see all that stuff
1:55:23I I tried to look like I knew what you
1:55:26were talking about when you were talking
1:55:27about the snap when you were giving us a
1:55:28tutorial kind of thing I think Tim knows
1:55:30more than I do about that stuff so like
1:55:32I'm just hoping like yeah he's probably
1:55:34got it
1:55:37all how long you been practicing 31
1:55:40years graduated 91 so it's a long time
1:55:45it's been a good gig I opened my own
1:55:47practice in 95 so I've been just doing
1:55:49it myself since then nice no one yet to
1:55:52answer anybody Your Own Boss yes I do
1:55:54about 75 active clients right now I need
1:55:57answer to every one of them that's I'm
1:56:01not trying to be rude but I mean people
1:56:02say oh well it's nice I'm like no it
1:56:04really isn't when I get a call at 2
1:56:05o'clock in the morning and you know trly
1:56:08going places or what but my father was a
1:56:11funeral director so I'm used to my whole
1:56:13life of when the phone rings you're
1:56:15doing something and it's not usually
1:56:17Pleasant at you know 11:00 at night to
1:56:19get a phone call right yeah I get those
1:56:21phone calls too but different reasons
1:56:23but yeah usually it's not a good thing
1:56:25so but it's a good living so I'm happy
1:56:28it's good I like what you do so yeah I
1:56:32don't think I can do what you guys do
1:56:34well I'm fine with that just count pills
1:56:36all right couple of just really finable
1:56:38with things that was something bad that
1:56:41you walked in on okay do I need to step
1:56:43out times she wrong line yeah I couldn't
1:56:46do what we do and then I just count
1:56:48pills for a living cuz I work as a
1:56:50pharmacy technician if you knew how much
1:56:52time we spent counting pills you you
1:56:55probably know half of them without
1:56:56having to get the book out I still have
1:56:58to get the book out and see what they
1:57:00all right real quick I just want to show
1:57:02you this photo it's up Chandler do you
1:57:04recognize that
1:57:05knife uh yeah I do okay um I got it at
1:57:10an Asian market cuz he said he wanted it
1:57:13so okay you bought it for him uh yeah
1:57:15like last year I said that photo is
1:57:17about a year old I'm told yeah okay uh
1:57:20but yeah he like f moded me for it so I
1:57:22picked it up cuz we saw it like in Asian
1:57:24market together when I was getting stuff
1:57:26to like
1:57:29um cook uh-huh but he made his own like
1:57:34little sheath for it okay but um it's
1:57:37like out of a Coke box okay yeah okay oh
1:57:41you sound excited it's just interesting
1:57:43I've not known anybody make a nicee
1:57:44sheath out of a Coke box yeah so he
1:57:46didn't like accidentally cut himself
1:57:48okay but yeah have you seen it recently
1:57:56not that I recall okay you know he keeps
1:57:58it or anything like that probably his
1:57:59closet okay all right that's about it
1:58:03yeah he made those shorts
1:58:04himself his Daisy Dukes those don't look
1:58:07like uh shorts I'd buy that's for sure
1:58:10yeah um do you know what Asia Market you
1:58:13were at when you vioa by
1:58:16lalet and what was it again sorry vioa
1:58:20like VI i e t space H
1:58:23OA
1:58:29okay good M all right jumping in the way
1:58:32back machine a little bit to the
1:58:35first I know back to the again yes at
1:58:408:11 p.m. M you guys facetimed MH we
1:58:44just know that you FaceTime we don't
1:58:45know the content we didn't see any
1:58:46screenshots or anything do you know guys
1:58:48you know what was going on were you guys
1:58:52we usually lay in bed and talk to each
1:58:54other chat okay was he at do you
1:58:56remember was he at home was he
1:59:01dressed this would have been the second
1:59:03to last time you face the
1:59:09Ed we let me make it little e here from
1:59:12n from 7:49 to 7:54 we see screenshots
1:59:16of him in the shower mhm and then you do
1:59:18another FaceTime conversation starting
1:59:20about 10: after 8 yeah I think he like
1:59:24mentioned he was going to eat in between
1:59:26okay so he ate and then then you guys
1:59:29FaceTime again mhm you remember what
1:59:31went on with that
1:59:35um it's usually like we're both laying
1:59:39down for bed okay
1:59:42um think you said I want to give I don't
1:59:44want to give I thinks I don't want any
1:59:46things either I'm like mhm I think MH um
1:59:55what I remember it's just one of those
1:59:57times where we like just talk until
1:59:59sleep okay and I'm usually the first one
2:00:01to sleep okay okay all right fair enough
2:00:06and then
2:00:09lastly oh the gun I'm sorry does it do
2:00:12it have a case or a box or anything with
2:00:14it or do you just have a gun I think it
2:00:17had a case okay give me what it looked
2:00:19like
2:00:24I don't know okay it's fine I can't make
2:00:27you know I'm going backwards you
2:00:29probably do you know who get you got it
2:00:30from or do you guys know all that I
2:00:32already told you guys that yep okay yeah
2:00:34we've got that
2:00:36yeah plenty of times you
2:00:38told there him yep we got that covered
2:00:42well with the case and I guess in my
2:00:44mind cuz I have different Visions cuz
2:00:45just cuz the guns I own um would it be
2:00:48like a cardboard box case you know when
2:00:50you buy something it's like the
2:00:52manufacturer case or would it be a hard
2:00:54case do you recall if that
2:00:56helps I don't think it was a
2:00:58manufacturer's case it was like I don't
2:01:02want to give any thanks right um
2:01:34I can't
2:01:39recall okay sorry now go ahead no you're
2:01:41fine um I'm GL I
2:01:44said so
2:01:46someone called and wanted to give a tip
2:01:49and I just want to get this out and see
2:01:51what your um what happened um saying
2:01:54that they overheard a
2:01:55conversation and they only heard your
2:01:57mom's side of
2:01:58it where your mom said but cat you
2:02:01weren't home last night as if to suggest
2:02:02you were trying to tell her to tell
2:02:04someone where you
2:02:05were yeah and that would have been on
2:02:08her about the eth the eth yeah like did
2:02:12you tell your mom to tell somebody like
2:02:13hey tell somebody I was at home last
2:02:15night instead of no absolutely not okay
2:02:19yeah I got to clear it up but I so I got
2:02:22to ask of
2:02:24course no I didn't ask her to do that
2:02:28okay that's what she was where were you
2:02:30the night of the 7th the
2:02:32sth that
2:02:35was are you're not saying it was that
2:02:37night I'm saying it there was a question
2:02:39as to where she was on the night of the
2:02:417th so I'm saying that on the eth
2:02:43somebody overheard this conversation
2:02:45like asked where some where she would be
2:02:48discussing her whereabouts on the 7th
2:02:50okay if that makesense s so do you have
2:02:53information or snaps to show where you
2:02:55were on the
2:03:157th oh I know where I was I was with
2:03:18Danny navigo okay um
2:03:22cuz I was Wednesday and do you want
2:03:24their contact info to verify she was
2:03:26with them um yeah I think got cuz I was
2:03:29I was talking to her about it and I was
2:03:30like no I was with Danny and Abigail I
2:03:33would not ask her to cover me I didn't
2:03:34think so but I she called me yesterday
2:03:37and she's like the media are awful don't
2:03:39listen to them like whatever people said
2:03:41tell them to talk to me or talk to like
2:03:44the police and like she wasn't telling
2:03:45me what she was saying mhm and your mom
2:03:48said this yeah and I was like okay she's
2:03:50like just don't look at the med I'm like
2:03:51haven't been looking at it anyways but
2:03:54that makes more sense now no I was with
2:03:56Danny and Abigail and you can definitely
2:03:58give them a contact so they can reach
2:04:02out is it okay she lets them know that
2:04:04they you guys might be calling or do you
2:04:06want may have already done that but just
2:04:08in case we haven't I'll just grab it and
2:04:12absolutely again I I will tell you that
2:04:15there's no indications she's hiding
2:04:16anything but there's also some hope of
2:04:19normaly just for this reason right that
2:04:21yeah she's having her mom an argument
2:04:23with her mom what we had for dinner and
2:04:25someone else is saying oh her mom's
2:04:27lying for her where she was and so on
2:04:29but now she doesn't want Danny and
2:04:31Abigail to get calls and say now they're
2:04:33checking with me and what should I tell
2:04:35them so she can tell them or not tell
2:04:38them whatever you'd like that you're
2:04:40going to call them yeah it is
2:04:41frustrating and it's like I get it
2:04:44though that's the thing I get it I'm
2:04:45just sad that like that was Elites and
2:04:48that's what they're thinking of me now
2:04:50the media and the public but
2:04:52no I can uh
2:04:54yeah um cuz I remember that was the
2:04:58first day I talked to the police and I
2:05:00said on the phone with the police MH and
2:05:02then cuz I had plans with Danny to pick
2:05:05him up from David's Bridal where abrail
2:05:06works and we were going to hang out and
2:05:09we did end up hanging out and then I
2:05:11just stayed the night there okay do yeah
2:05:13do you have just contact them I don't
2:05:15know if we talk to them or not which
2:05:16just um can I shoot him a t like hey um
2:05:21or should not text him or I'll just give
2:05:23to him for now and then we'll do it on
2:05:24our way home unless you don't want her
2:05:26to I think that's she's certainly not
2:05:27trying to collaborate or yeah I think
2:05:30it's fine and to be honest like if we
2:05:32haven't had contact with him I what we
2:05:34do it's it's really lowkey it's just
2:05:36kind of like hey do you know cat and
2:05:39when's the last time you saw her and
2:05:40blah blah blah a 5 minute conversation
2:05:42if I guess
2:05:47yeah yeah I mean we think of it as
2:05:50routine like normal father follow up but
2:05:52I get trying to appreciate how you how
2:05:54you were thinking of especially when
2:05:55you're 19 and 20 you know the police
2:05:58called me and then right they didn't
2:06:01call me kind of like number one best
2:06:03right yeah yeah but I've been they asked
2:06:05us but they didn't ask you you must not
2:06:07be as important yeah um but yeah I can
2:06:11give you the number okay um I'm going to
2:06:14give you Danny's okay and it's whenever
2:06:17you're ready go ahead sorry B okay
2:06:22not eating
2:06:23today me either in the same
2:06:26boat but and then it's like I want to
2:06:30give them a heads up but I don't like
2:06:31want to want arm them either yeah the
2:06:35other one besides Danny but and where do
2:06:37they live uh they're staying at
2:06:39Abigail's Grandma's condo right now okay
2:06:42um in manona like I don't know the
2:06:45address I just thought what to get there
2:06:46okay um that's no big deal y but they're
2:06:50usually in Vermont cuz that's where goes
2:06:51to Circus
2:06:52school oh like Abigail goes to Vermont
2:06:56or Abigail and Danny live together in
2:06:58Vermont because she goes to Circus
2:07:00School in Vermont okay gotcha
2:07:03Nea that's interesting see I would just
2:07:06want to call to ask her about that well
2:07:08this might be a long call just trying to
2:07:11find see if I have a picture of us
2:07:22I just remember cuz we were playing
2:07:23Katan M the yeah sellers of Katan I
2:07:27think because I know of it yeah it's
2:07:32like yeah
2:07:34MH just to get my mind off of it sure
2:07:37you know it's the first time I talk to
2:07:38the police I sat in a car I threw up
2:07:41like as soon as I got it I have a very
2:07:43sensitive stomach like reflex acid as a
2:07:46child sure very bad oh one more thing
2:07:48I'm sorry do you Koba very often me yeah
2:07:52or you Chanel gotten Koba together or
2:07:54anything like
2:07:56that not that I were calm okay seen his
2:07:59parents eat it they do okay I've seen
2:08:02them eat it like once okay
2:08:09yeah with that do you have anything else
2:08:13no I don't either do you guys have
2:08:14anything for us no my mom's not going to
2:08:16get in trouble right no your mom yeah no
2:08:19no it's just one like we have to clear
2:08:21up CU if we just ignore it yeah then
2:08:23people I remember that conversation soon
2:08:25as you said it I was like that sounds
2:08:27familiar that's when I was at Danny's
2:08:29zag go I'm like no I was at Danny's and
2:08:31abigailes yeah yeah see if we don't do
2:08:33all this stuff this will be season three
2:08:34of making a
2:08:35murderer seriously if we do not take
2:08:38every little step yeah that's how we
2:08:40wind up on Netflix that is absolutely
2:08:43the last thing I want to be little
2:08:44things that are insignificant and make
2:08:46them significant yep yeah and I'm just
2:08:49going to tell you um Katherine dorl
2:08:51who's the defense attorney we're going
2:08:53to meet with them on Tuesday okay
2:08:56okay just because she's trying to do
2:08:58everything she can for everybody right
2:09:00sure I don't know if you my sister
2:09:02pointed out I wasn't even living I was
2:09:04in Colorado at the time of the murder
2:09:06where the mother and father or mother
2:09:08and brother still haven't been found and
2:09:10the father was found in North Carolina
2:09:13and that was prosecuted in Jefferson
2:09:14County of all people Katherine Doro was
2:09:17the defense attorney oh funny 15 years
2:09:19ago 2005 I think MH not funny but it's
2:09:23interesting mhm but yeah
2:09:28so so yeah I think that's it unless you
2:09:31guys anything else for us I don't want
2:09:32you miss your flight I want you to yeah
2:09:34and I want need you to eat so you feel
2:09:36better and then talk to your mom about
2:09:38just a stopping by to look at your room
2:09:40and let me know what's best I can work
2:09:42around your schedule okay anything else
2:09:44at all I mean that we can do I mean I've
2:09:47told her I think the more we can give
2:09:49you and rumors and all the stuff the
2:09:51better I was the one that when she came
2:09:54over and I was telling her about the
2:09:55river and that then she picks up her
2:09:58phone she's amazing says why why is the
2:10:01river making and that's when she showed
2:10:03me all
2:10:04that see that's good and we appreciate
2:10:07working with us too I mean definitely
2:10:09thank you yeah cuz a lot of times like
2:10:12you like that's good information right
2:10:14but you probably didn't think why do
2:10:16they like didn't even think about it
2:10:17until like something recalls something
2:10:19in your head like you bringing that up
2:10:21and we totally appreciate that there's a
2:10:23lot of times people don't think anything
2:10:25until we prompt the question or
2:10:26something that's why continue to bring
2:10:27back up robe as a big difference than
2:10:30rope like what is
2:10:32it
2:10:34yeah well again we appreciate it so I'll
2:10:36just wait to hear from you and if you
2:10:38guys have any questions you have my card
2:10:39call and we'll work on the stuff that
2:10:41you wanted us say if you can find one of
2:10:44the detectives to do the car I've
2:10:45explained to her if there's blood other
2:10:47things that probably means you'll keep
2:10:49it if not it's kind of a low priority
2:10:51till exactly and again she said only one
2:10:55time from our window of July 1st till he
2:10:58was arrested that he was in your cars
2:11:00when you went out to cresus yep to the
2:11:02farm I drove yep and he was with you
2:11:04riding with you yep yep he was in the
2:11:06front seat yep okay yeah thank you so
2:11:09much of course yeah thank you for coming
2:11:12get you guys out of
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