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How do we PREVENT and TREAT BPD??!!- Tala Talks NICU — Transcript

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  1. 0:02[Music]
  2. 0:04caffeine is an absolutely fantastic drug
  3. 0:07and i'm not just saying that because i
  4. 0:09love coffee so much
  5. 0:14hello and welcome to tala talks nikki
  6. 0:17where we take
  7. 0:18medical concepts and make them super
  8. 0:21easy for you to understand
  9. 0:23today we are going to go over the second
  10. 0:26part of bpd so if you haven't watched
  11. 0:28the first part go back and watch that
  12. 0:31today we are going to be talking about
  13. 0:34one the prevention of bpd
  14. 0:36two the treatment of bpd and three
  15. 0:40outcomes of patients that have bpd so
  16. 0:42before we continue i'm going to ask you
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  19. 0:49overall neonatal content right let's
  20. 0:52start with number one how do we prevent
  21. 0:55bpd
  22. 0:56so as i already said hopefully everybody
  23. 0:58watching this video has already watched
  24. 1:00part one where we go over all the risk
  25. 1:03factors for bpd so logically if you
  26. 1:06decrease all the risk factors for bpd
  27. 1:08then you will prevent bpd so the most
  28. 1:12important effective way to prevent bpd
  29. 1:15is to prevent pre-term birth
  30. 1:18if in your unit there aren't any babies
  31. 1:20born below 28 weeks then you've probably
  32. 1:23got a very low incidence of bpd in your
  33. 1:26unit
  34. 1:26so do whatever you can to reduce preterm
  35. 1:30births
  36. 1:31if you can figure out how to do that
  37. 1:32that's fantastic
  38. 1:34in the meantime one of the most
  39. 1:36important things that you can do in the
  40. 1:38unit to prevent bpd is to decrease the
  41. 1:41amount of injury to the lungs so the
  42. 1:44first way to decrease injury to the
  43. 1:46lungs is by giving babies as little
  44. 1:49pressure or volume support that they
  45. 1:53need that will still sustain them so you
  46. 1:55are trying to reduce
  47. 1:57volume trauma and barotrauma so put
  48. 2:00babies on the lowest amount of support
  49. 2:02that they may need and then try to wean
  50. 2:04them aggressively if they seem weanable
  51. 2:07like we've said before it would seem
  52. 2:09logical that babies that were put on
  53. 2:12high frequency ventilation whether it's
  54. 2:13the jet or the oscillator would have
  55. 2:16less barotrauma and volume trauma and so
  56. 2:18you'd think that that would translate in
  57. 2:20studies to a lower risk of bpd however
  58. 2:24it's been really difficult to prove in
  59. 2:25these studies that putting preemies on
  60. 2:29high frequency ventilation categorically
  61. 2:31decreases the rate of bpd and honestly
  62. 2:33probably the reason for that is that
  63. 2:35there's so much practice variation
  64. 2:37between different practices even
  65. 2:39probably between different providers
  66. 2:41that even though theoretically it might
  67. 2:43provide a benefit it's just been really
  68. 2:45difficult to prove in the literature
  69. 2:47where we stand now is that it is
  70. 2:50encouraged that the unit should get used
  71. 2:52to one device whether it is the jet or
  72. 2:55the oscillator or even the conventional
  73. 2:57ventilator and try to use it in an
  74. 3:00optimal way to reduce the volume trauma
  75. 3:02and the barotrauma for these babies so
  76. 3:04basically giving the lowest amount of
  77. 3:06support weaning aggressively trying to
  78. 3:09get those endotracheal tubes out as soon
  79. 3:11as possible so what about surfactant
  80. 3:13decreasing or preventing bpd so when
  81. 3:16surfactant was first studied what it was
  82. 3:18trying to prove was that it decreased
  83. 3:20rds and yes the initial studies
  84. 3:23definitely showed that when you give
  85. 3:25surfactant there is a reduction in rds
  86. 3:28and a cochrane study in 1998 done showed
  87. 3:32that giving surfactant also decreased
  88. 3:34the rates of bpd presumably by
  89. 3:37decreasing that aggressive initial rds
  90. 3:40so this is pretty much what we used to
  91. 3:42do with all micro preemies if they were
  92. 3:44born we used to intubate them and give
  93. 3:46them surfactant then in about 2010 the
  94. 3:49results of the support study were
  95. 3:50published and the support trial compared
  96. 3:54giving cpap to intubating babies and
  97. 3:56giving them surfactant and it was found
  98. 3:59that the two groups didn't really differ
  99. 4:01that much in their rates of bpd it was
  100. 4:03really this trial and a few other trials
  101. 4:06around it that really changed our
  102. 4:08delivery room management and now we
  103. 4:09don't routinely intubate premature
  104. 4:12babies in the delivery room also by
  105. 4:14extension this also kind of shows that
  106. 4:16surfactant is not instrumental in
  107. 4:19decreasing the incidence of bpd but as
  108. 4:22you all know often these babies that are
  109. 4:24not intubated than delivery room so
  110. 4:26they're on cpap and they come up to the
  111. 4:28unit and very soon they've got very high
  112. 4:31fio2 needs or they've got a very high
  113. 4:33co2 and they do need intubation it's
  114. 4:36been shown that in these micro preemies
  115. 4:38if you are intubating them and they do
  116. 4:41need surfactant the earlier that you
  117. 4:43give them the surfactant the lower the
  118. 4:45likelihood of bpd so even though
  119. 4:48surfactant initially doesn't necessarily
  120. 4:51prevent bpd if you've established that
  121. 4:53the baby needs it the sooner that you
  122. 4:55give it the better it is in protecting
  123. 4:58you from getting bpd so what will be
  124. 5:00interesting in the future is
  125. 5:02what do we do with those group of babies
  126. 5:05that don't necessarily qualify for
  127. 5:07surfactant administration so say you've
  128. 5:09got a 26 weeker with a grainy x-ray on
  129. 5:12cpap but is on fio2 of like 30 percent
  130. 5:16and is has a co2 of let's say 61. so not
  131. 5:21a slam dunk you have to intubate and
  132. 5:23give surfactant to this baby but now as
  133. 5:25you all know we are giving surfactant in
  134. 5:28a less invasive way or the acronym for
  135. 5:31that is less invasive surfactant
  136. 5:33administration or lisa
  137. 5:35lisa on paper has two advantages and the
  138. 5:38first one is is that you're not actually
  139. 5:40intubating the baby you're just putting
  140. 5:42a little catheter through the vocal
  141. 5:44cords and so that's the first advantage
  142. 5:47that you there's less likelihood of like
  143. 5:49irritating the vocal cords
  144. 5:50the second advantage is is that you
  145. 5:53basically just push the surfactant down
  146. 5:56a syringe and you're just squirting it
  147. 5:58down that tube into the lungs you're not
  148. 6:00bagging it
  149. 6:02after you intubate the baby so because
  150. 6:04you're not bagging it which is
  151. 6:06associated with positive pressure
  152. 6:08ventilation injury you are not creating
  153. 6:11any barotrauma so there's kind of a hope
  154. 6:14that the lisa will be less invasive and
  155. 6:17will be less traumatic for the infants
  156. 6:20and hopefully translate to a lower
  157. 6:21incidence of bpd so the question as we
  158. 6:24go into the future will be are we going
  159. 6:27to lower the threshold for giving these
  160. 6:29babies surfactant because we're less
  161. 6:31concerned about any damage that the
  162. 6:33actual administration will give the
  163. 6:36second way to decrease injury to the
  164. 6:38lungs is by preventing high oxygen
  165. 6:41exposure to the lungs so anybody that's
  166. 6:44been in neonatology for the last 10 or
  167. 6:4620 years will have followed the very
  168. 6:48interesting debate that we've had about
  169. 6:50ideal oxygen saturations in neonates
  170. 6:53it's been known for some time that
  171. 6:56shooting for high oxygen saturation so
  172. 6:58basically the baby's sating at 100 the
  173. 7:00whole time can increase the risk of bpd
  174. 7:03as well as rop
  175. 7:05but we weren't really sure what sort of
  176. 7:07ideal oxygen saturations we should be
  177. 7:09targeting
  178. 7:10two large studies were published the
  179. 7:12boost trial as well as the support trial
  180. 7:14which basically compared lower
  181. 7:17saturation targets versus slightly
  182. 7:19higher saturation targets and
  183. 7:21interestingly or kind of expectedly kind
  184. 7:24of the trials found that even though the
  185. 7:27lower oxygen saturation parameters
  186. 7:29resulted in lower rop and bpd they were
  187. 7:33also associated with increased mortality
  188. 7:36so increased deaths as well as to a
  189. 7:38certain extent worsen
  190. 7:40neurological outcomes so now we're not
  191. 7:43really sure exactly where we should be
  192. 7:44keeping saturations probably not always
  193. 7:47in the 80s we don't want them constantly
  194. 7:48staying at 85 percent and we definitely
  195. 7:50don't want them staying at 99 to 100
  196. 7:53probably somewhere between 90 and 95
  197. 7:56percent or 90 and 94 is kind of ideal a
  198. 7:59lot of units have their alarm set
  199. 8:01between 88 and 95 or 96
  200. 8:05and the third way of decreasing injury
  201. 8:07to the lungs is by preventing
  202. 8:09inflammation so i'm not going to spend a
  203. 8:11long time on this just for you to all
  204. 8:14realize that the more inflammation that
  205. 8:17the lungs go through the higher the
  206. 8:20chance of developing bpd and bad bpd so
  207. 8:23if the infant was exposed to
  208. 8:26choreoamnionitis prenatally that
  209. 8:28increases the risk of bpd if the infant
  210. 8:31has sepsis or pneumonia or necrotizing
  211. 8:33enterocolitis or even has to go through
  212. 8:36surgeries all of those are associated
  213. 8:38with increased inflammation and will
  214. 8:41increase the incidence of bpd so
  215. 8:43whatever you can do to prevent all of
  216. 8:45those would be fantastic as we always
  217. 8:47say the smoother the course in the unit
  218. 8:50the better the outcome in survival and
  219. 8:53all morbidities really and just as a
  220. 8:55reminder the sooner you get that
  221. 8:57endotracheal tube out the lower the risk
  222. 9:00of the infant getting pneumonia so
  223. 9:02another great reason to try to get those
  224. 9:04um babies extubated in addition to
  225. 9:07preventing injury to the lungs what else
  226. 9:09can we do to prevent ppd
  227. 9:11now we're going to go over the
  228. 9:13importance of giving good nutrition of
  229. 9:16vitamin a kind of
  230. 9:17of caffeine and then briefly we'll cover
  231. 9:20steroids a very hot topic in neonatology
  232. 9:23let's start with good nutrition as we
  233. 9:26talked about in the first video
  234. 9:28ultimately to get babies off oxygen
  235. 9:30support the babies have to grow
  236. 9:33larger healthier lungs so obviously
  237. 9:37really good nutrition plays a really
  238. 9:39important role in preventing bpd
  239. 9:42numerous studies have supported this one
  240. 9:45study showed that in infants who had
  241. 9:47received lower cumulative protein
  242. 9:50carbohydrates and fats in the first 14
  243. 9:53days of life had a much higher incidence
  244. 9:55of bpd than infants that had received
  245. 9:58much better nutrition another study in a
  246. 10:01total of about 700 patients found
  247. 10:04that as the weight gain every day
  248. 10:07improved the incidence to bpd also
  249. 10:10decreased and interestingly another
  250. 10:12study showed that in infants who were
  251. 10:15exclusively formula fed and these were
  252. 10:17infants at less than 1500 grams they had
  253. 10:20a increased risk of developing bpd by
  254. 10:23about two and a half times as compared
  255. 10:26to infants who were breastfed so
  256. 10:28excellent nutrition is really important
  257. 10:30in preventing bpd early good nutrition
  258. 10:33with protein and fats and carbohydrates
  259. 10:35and preferably breast milk is really
  260. 10:37important and good weight gain every day
  261. 10:41let's talk about vitamin a so what is
  262. 10:44the importance of vitamin a it has been
  263. 10:46known for a long time that vitamin a is
  264. 10:49important for lung growth and it's
  265. 10:51important to keep the epithelial cells
  266. 10:54that lie in the respiratory tract
  267. 10:56functioning well it's also been known
  268. 10:58that pre-term infants that have a
  269. 11:01vitamin a deficiency at birth have an
  270. 11:04increased risk of developing bpd
  271. 11:07so it was suggested that giving vitamin
  272. 11:10a exogenously so you actually administer
  273. 11:13vitamin a may decrease the incidence of
  274. 11:15bpd and actually a large matter analysis
  275. 11:18found that when infants were given
  276. 11:21vitamin a over the course of several
  277. 11:23weeks soon after they were born there
  278. 11:25was a slightly decreased incidence of
  279. 11:27bpd but giving vitamin a kind of did
  280. 11:30fall out of favor and most centers don't
  281. 11:32actually give vitamin a now it's kind of
  282. 11:34a risk benefit analysis the first reason
  283. 11:38why we don't routinely give vitamin a
  284. 11:40now is that the follow-up studies at 18
  285. 11:42to 22 months showed that in infants
  286. 11:44given vitamin a versus those that
  287. 11:46weren't there wasn't like a significant
  288. 11:48change in neurodevelopmental outcomes
  289. 11:50and the second one is the way that we
  290. 11:52give the vitamin a basically it's an
  291. 11:54intramuscular injection and it's given
  292. 11:57kind of three four times a week for
  293. 11:59about four weeks all the studies had
  294. 12:01kind of slightly different dosages so
  295. 12:04it's not a completely painless procedure
  296. 12:07to give to a tiny baby that hardly has
  297. 12:09any muscles at all and knowing that it
  298. 12:12isn't probably going to improve
  299. 12:13neurodevelopmental outcomes made the
  300. 12:16whole process of giving vitamin a just
  301. 12:18kind of fall out of favor i think an
  302. 12:20important way to interpret this data is
  303. 12:22that we need to make sure that babies
  304. 12:24get excellent nutrition and get all
  305. 12:26their vitamins as soon as possible okay
  306. 12:28what about caffeine caffeine is an
  307. 12:31absolutely fantastic drug and i'm not
  308. 12:34just saying that because i love coffee
  309. 12:36so much black coffee with no cream or
  310. 12:38sugar if anybody ever wants to bring me
  311. 12:40a coffee
  312. 12:41but it is probably the most well studied
  313. 12:44drug in the unit not only does caffeine
  314. 12:48decrease the incidence of apnea
  315. 12:50bradycardia so it decreased the amount
  316. 12:52of events that an infant is having it
  317. 12:55also has an anti-inflammatory effect so
  318. 12:57it's actually also been shown to
  319. 13:00decrease the incidence of bpd
  320. 13:03caffeine should be started in all babies
  321. 13:05born at less than 30 weeks of gestation
  322. 13:07and even in older babies if they have
  323. 13:09any respiratory issues and really the
  324. 13:12sooner you start the caffeine definitely
  325. 13:13less than three days of life the better
  326. 13:15it is for the babies and normally we
  327. 13:17start with a bolus dose of 20 makes per
  328. 13:20kilo and then we do a maintenance dose
  329. 13:22cue 24 hours of 10 mix per kilo per day
  330. 13:25the even better thing about caffeine is
  331. 13:28that many of the follow-up studies that
  332. 13:30were done on caffeine versus control
  333. 13:33infants showed that the infants that
  334. 13:35received caffeine if anything had
  335. 13:37slightly improved neurodevelopmental
  336. 13:40outcomes as the babies got even older
  337. 13:42kind of up to 10 years of age some of
  338. 13:44these improvements kind of fell off but
  339. 13:47still we can feel pretty good that if
  340. 13:49anything caffeine is better for
  341. 13:51developmental outcomes and is definitely
  342. 13:53not worse okay now let's talk about
  343. 13:56steroids we'll talk about it briefly
  344. 13:57here and then i'll talk about it a
  345. 13:58little bit later in the treatment
  346. 14:01and really it's such a huge like hot
  347. 14:04topic in neonatology that really
  348. 14:06steroids probably deserve the video of
  349. 14:09their own especially since we all have
  350. 14:11such a love-hate relationship with
  351. 14:13steroids so as you all know steroids
  352. 14:16decrease inflammation so it would be
  353. 14:19very logical to assume that since
  354. 14:21inflammation is such a huge part of the
  355. 14:23development of bpd that giving steroids
  356. 14:26could therefore reduce ppd and this is
  357. 14:30true if steroids are given generally
  358. 14:32they are associated with the reduced
  359. 14:34incidence of bpd so in the 1980s and the
  360. 14:371990s steroids were generally given for
  361. 14:40long courses and they were effectively
  362. 14:42found to reduce the incidence of bpd but
  363. 14:45as more studies were published it showed
  364. 14:48that the infants that had received the
  365. 14:50steroids had worse developmental
  366. 14:52outcomes than the infants that had
  367. 14:54received steroids they were shorter the
  368. 14:57infants that had received steroids they
  369. 14:58had smaller head circumferences they had
  370. 15:00increased risk of cerebral palsy and
  371. 15:02they had lower bailey scores so
  372. 15:05immediately everybody started panicking
  373. 15:07and thinking okay we should not be
  374. 15:09giving routine steroids at all to babies
  375. 15:12and in fact in 2002 the aap the american
  376. 15:15academy of pediatrics came out with a
  377. 15:17policy statement and said we should not
  378. 15:20be giving routine steroids to premature
  379. 15:22infants the problem is is that now since
  380. 15:26then more and more infants tiny infants
  381. 15:29have been surviving and bpd is still a
  382. 15:32huge issue and we know that if a baby
  383. 15:35has really bad bpd then that in itself
  384. 15:39is going to give really bad
  385. 15:40neurodevelopmental outcomes
  386. 15:42so
  387. 15:43we would like to be able to use steroids
  388. 15:46to decrease the incidence of at least
  389. 15:48that severe bpd whether it's to get a
  390. 15:50baby off the ventilator or just decrease
  391. 15:53the amount of oxygen that the baby's
  392. 15:54exposed to or to kind of avoid a trach
  393. 15:57in an infant and so
  394. 15:59different studies have kind of
  395. 16:01experimented with different courses of
  396. 16:03steroids to see what would be ideal to
  397. 16:07decrease the incidence of bpd but
  398. 16:09hopefully not negatively impact
  399. 16:12developmental outcomes and the aap
  400. 16:15actually revised their statement in 2010
  401. 16:18and they said that there may actually be
  402. 16:21a few babies especially those born at
  403. 16:23like less than 1500 grams and those that
  404. 16:26are still intubated in a week that
  405. 16:28really may benefit from steroids just
  406. 16:30because those babies were at such a high
  407. 16:32incidence of developing bpd and bpd is
  408. 16:35really bad for developmental outcomes
  409. 16:37for example one of the studies done to
  410. 16:39kind of show that babies could get
  411. 16:41extubated and hopefully reduce bpd was
  412. 16:44the dart trial which was dexamethasone a
  413. 16:48randomized trial which showed that a
  414. 16:5010-day course of dexamethasone could
  415. 16:53probably get babies excavated sooner and
  416. 16:56hopefully didn't really have bad
  417. 16:59neurodevelopmental outcomes
  418. 17:01two kind of fully cover stories if you
  419. 17:03want to read more by yourself then i
  420. 17:05would recommend three recent articles
  421. 17:09the first one was published in the
  422. 17:10journal of perinatology in 2021 and it's
  423. 17:13an excellent review article of all the
  424. 17:15different steroids that are used in the
  425. 17:17prevention and treatment of
  426. 17:19bpd the second article and we've linked
  427. 17:22to all of these below is a recent study
  428. 17:24published in the new england journal
  429. 17:26that was a
  430. 17:27trial that compared giving infants 10
  431. 17:30days of hydrocortisone versus not giving
  432. 17:33any steroids to those infants and it
  433. 17:35found that the infants that have
  434. 17:37received hydrocortisone didn't really
  435. 17:39have a decreased incidence of bpd but it
  436. 17:41also didn't affect their
  437. 17:42neurodevelopmental outcome and the third
  438. 17:45study is another policy statement just
  439. 17:47published in pediatrics by the aap and
  440. 17:50again it just kind of goes over the
  441. 17:51recent evidence of steroids in the
  442. 17:53prevention and treatment of bpd so all
  443. 17:56those links are below i would highly
  444. 17:57encourage you to read through them all
  445. 17:59together what i want you to take from
  446. 18:01this is that
  447. 18:03babies should not be routinely receiving
  448. 18:05steroids however there are a select
  449. 18:08group of premature infants that may
  450. 18:11benefit from short courses preferably
  451. 18:13low doses of steroids the question is
  452. 18:15we're not exactly still sure which
  453. 18:18steroids which doses and which babies
  454. 18:20okay
  455. 18:21moving on to part two which is how do we
  456. 18:24treat bpd
  457. 18:26so like we said in the first video
  458. 18:28the
  459. 18:29diagnosis of bpd is mostly a clinical
  460. 18:31one and really we call it bpd when an
  461. 18:34infant is still needing oxygen at 36
  462. 18:37weeks corrected gestational age so by
  463. 18:39definition a lot of the treatment of bpd
  464. 18:43will probably be in the outpatient
  465. 18:45setting but
  466. 18:47very often we can predict which babies
  467. 18:49are going to have bpd way before 36
  468. 18:51weeks so we're kind of already starting
  469. 18:53to treat babies in the nicu so i'm
  470. 18:55briefly going to go over the different
  471. 18:57treatments that we use and what sort of
  472. 18:59evidence we have for them which in a
  473. 19:00nutshell not a lot of evidence
  474. 19:02so
  475. 19:03the first big part of treatment is
  476. 19:05obviously giving the baby the oxygen
  477. 19:07support that they need you don't want
  478. 19:09them to become acidotic because they
  479. 19:11lack the oxygen so most of the time
  480. 19:13you're giving them the support whether
  481. 19:15it's the nasal cannula or the cpap or
  482. 19:17the ventilator as well as the oxygen the
  483. 19:20fio2 that they need to keep the sats
  484. 19:22really above about 90 percent by the
  485. 19:25time the babies get older and at a
  486. 19:27higher risk of bpd you generally want to
  487. 19:29keep the sats a little bit higher just
  488. 19:32because you're more worried about the
  489. 19:33development of pulmonary hypertension
  490. 19:35that can happen with lower oxygenation
  491. 19:37fats we
  492. 19:38really want the co2s to be in the
  493. 19:4140s or 50s or 60s as you all know we all
  494. 19:45practice a bit of permissive hypercapnia
  495. 19:47which is where we allow the co2s go
  496. 19:49higher to go higher just because we
  497. 19:51don't want to beat up the lungs further
  498. 19:53trying to bring those co2s down so
  499. 19:55sometimes we'll even accept co2s up to
  500. 19:58the 70s just in a desperate attempt to
  501. 20:00get the babies off
  502. 20:02extra support so that we're not banging
  503. 20:05up their lungs even more
  504. 20:07in the u.s we will send babies home on
  505. 20:09oxygen generally we send them home on
  506. 20:11pure oxygen so it's 100 oxygen and it's
  507. 20:14not blended and generally we will send
  508. 20:16them home if they are on less than 0.5
  509. 20:19liters ideally and usually honestly we
  510. 20:22send them home at between 0.1 and 0.2
  511. 20:25liters per minute if we can't get a baby
  512. 20:28of positive pressure ventilation then
  513. 20:30eventually a decision has to be made of
  514. 20:32how we can get this baby home
  515. 20:34and
  516. 20:35one of the options is to insert a
  517. 20:37tracheostomy and send a baby home on
  518. 20:39positive pressure whether it's cpap or
  519. 20:42more commonly a ventilator obviously
  520. 20:44this is not a decision that we take
  521. 20:46lightly and so even after a baby had the
  522. 20:50tracheostomy placed they're still in
  523. 20:52hospital for another four to six weeks
  524. 20:54after that just with all the um healing
  525. 20:57that needs to be done of the
  526. 20:58tracheostomy as well as all the training
  527. 21:00that needs to be done for the family
  528. 21:02before they go home so by definition
  529. 21:05you're already adding another one month
  530. 21:07or two by making the decision to place
  531. 21:10the tracheostomy so if you can get the
  532. 21:12baby to kind of home oxygen by then then
  533. 21:14obviously the trait shouldn't be placed
  534. 21:16generally we will move forward with a
  535. 21:18trach if the infants are about 44 weeks
  536. 21:20gestational age or above that and are
  537. 21:22really not making any improvements in
  538. 21:24their respiratory support if they're
  539. 21:26making improvements even if they're
  540. 21:27still on high vent support then we will
  541. 21:30still try to push them forward out of
  542. 21:32all the preemies that are trached um at
  543. 21:35birth or before discharge they are
  544. 21:37generally have their traits decannilated
  545. 21:39or removed by the time that they're
  546. 21:41about three years old so it's still not
  547. 21:43a lifelong issue or a not a lifelong
  548. 21:46operation that a infant with bpd would
  549. 21:49have because as you all know there's
  550. 21:51still a lot of lung growth in those
  551. 21:53first three years of life the second
  552. 21:55thing that's very important in the
  553. 21:57treatment of these babies with bpd is
  554. 21:58that we provide excellent nutrition so
  555. 22:02as we've said many times if a baby has
  556. 22:04bpd there's a high chance that they're
  557. 22:06breathing faster and breathing harder so
  558. 22:09really they need more calories just for
  559. 22:11that on top of that we don't want to
  560. 22:14fluid overload them because we don't
  561. 22:16want to make the lungs wet which white
  562. 22:18might make the bpd worse so often we'll
  563. 22:21put these babies on higher calories so
  564. 22:23like 26 or 28 or even 30 calories per
  565. 22:26ounce
  566. 22:27and on lower volume so say 130 or 140 ml
  567. 22:30per kilo per day to try to maximize all
  568. 22:33the calories and their nutritional
  569. 22:35intake without fluid overloading them
  570. 22:37okay what about inhaled steroids like
  571. 22:40budesonite or palmicort or fluticasone
  572. 22:43again there really isn't a lot of
  573. 22:46evidence to show that these help
  574. 22:48decrease the incidence to bpd or even
  575. 22:50necessarily treat or help bpd while
  576. 22:53babies are in the unit however as babies
  577. 22:56get older and leave the hospital some
  578. 22:58studies have shown that these inhaled
  579. 23:00steroids may decrease some of the
  580. 23:02symptoms of bpd like increased worker
  581. 23:04breathing or wheezing and so generally
  582. 23:07once the babies go home they are pretty
  583. 23:09much put on the inhaled steroids so we
  584. 23:12will kind of push that back and if we
  585. 23:14think that the baby is needing a lot of
  586. 23:16oxygen support then we will generally
  587. 23:18put babies on the inhaled steroids it's
  588. 23:21not very evidence-based though what
  589. 23:23about diuretics another really
  590. 23:25controversial topic so even though
  591. 23:28diuretics like a furosemide or
  592. 23:30hydrochlorothiazide has been shown to
  593. 23:33improve lung compliance like over the
  594. 23:35short term like especially if you have
  595. 23:36like as you all know a really wet lung
  596. 23:38you give a shot of lasix the baby pees
  597. 23:40it out and starts breathing easier
  598. 23:43however long-term diuretic use has not
  599. 23:46been shown to decrease the incidence of
  600. 23:47bpd or decrease the number of days that
  601. 23:50the infant is on oxygen there was
  602. 23:52actually the one recent study that
  603. 23:55showed that infants that had received
  604. 23:57more lasix or furosemide after uh seven
  605. 24:00days of life did have a slightly
  606. 24:02decreased incidence of bpd and i'll put
  607. 24:04the link to that study below
  608. 24:06what's even more concerning about this
  609. 24:08clear-cut data with diuretics is that as
  610. 24:11you all know diuretics also have a lot
  611. 24:14of bad side effects so they can cause a
  612. 24:16lot of electrolyte abnormalities so low
  613. 24:19sodium and low potassium and a metabolic
  614. 24:22alkalosis they can leech out the bones
  615. 24:24and make the osteopenia worse they can
  616. 24:27cause nephrocalcinosis as well
  617. 24:29so again despite not very overwhelmingly
  618. 24:33positive data and quite a few side
  619. 24:35effects
  620. 24:36we often use diuretics in the unit even
  621. 24:39if it's for short-term use just to help
  622. 24:42with the fluid balance especially if a
  623. 24:44baby does have a lingering pda it will
  624. 24:47be interesting to see where these
  625. 24:49studies land in the future
  626. 24:51and then coming back to steroids for the
  627. 24:53treatment of bpd
  628. 24:55again we're not really sure which
  629. 24:58steroids to use and the two steroids
  630. 25:00that we generally talk about are
  631. 25:02dexamethasone which is really a pure
  632. 25:05glucocorticoid
  633. 25:06and that's thought to kind of like
  634. 25:08affect the lungs a lot more
  635. 25:10or hydrocortisone which is a
  636. 25:12glucocorticoid and a mineral corticoid
  637. 25:15so that will kind of help with blood
  638. 25:17pressures as well as like with a direct
  639. 25:19effect on the lungs so we're not really
  640. 25:22sure which steroids to use we're not
  641. 25:24really sure which doses to use and we're
  642. 25:26not really sure how long to use them for
  643. 25:28as the babies get older then we're more
  644. 25:30likely to use a prednisone as well
  645. 25:33so
  646. 25:34as
  647. 25:35we practice now generally many of the
  648. 25:37units in america if the babies are
  649. 25:39really really young especially if
  650. 25:40they've got blood pressure issues
  651. 25:42they're more likely to use the
  652. 25:43hydrocortisone if we're trying to get
  653. 25:45babies off the ventilator and they're
  654. 25:48not really having blood pressure issues
  655. 25:50or anything else then we're more likely
  656. 25:51to use the dexamethasone and if the
  657. 25:54baby's on like two liters high flow
  658. 25:56nasal cannula and we're trying to get
  659. 25:57them to home oxygen or they're still on
  660. 26:00the cpap and we're trying to get them
  661. 26:01off that then we're much more likely to
  662. 26:03use like a prednisone so again hopefully
  663. 26:07we'll have more information in the
  664. 26:08future about exactly which steroids and
  665. 26:11how much to use right so part three
  666. 26:14let's talk about long-term outcomes of
  667. 26:16infants with bpd and as usual as you all
  668. 26:19know this is really what we care the
  669. 26:20most about in the nicu we want normal
  670. 26:23healthy babies at home
  671. 26:25so obviously the first thing is these
  672. 26:27babies have respiratory symptoms even
  673. 26:30after they get off oxygen they're more
  674. 26:32likely to have tachypnea breathing fast
  675. 26:35increased worker breathing they're more
  676. 26:37likely to have wheezing and shortness of
  677. 26:39breath they're
  678. 26:41a higher tendency to get infections
  679. 26:44especially pneumonias and they're also
  680. 26:46at a much higher likelihood of being
  681. 26:48readmitted to the hospital because of
  682. 26:51getting that infection so if an infant
  683. 26:54gets a cold if an infant with a bpd gets
  684. 26:56a cold they're much more likely to end
  685. 26:58up in hospital because their lungs are
  686. 27:00weaker and in fact infants with bpd have
  687. 27:03about a 50 percent readmission rate to
  688. 27:06the hospital within that first year of
  689. 27:08life generally though as infants with
  690. 27:11bpd get older and their lungs grow
  691. 27:14then the symptoms kind of go down
  692. 27:17but in the longest study that's been
  693. 27:20done the kind of longest follow-up study
  694. 27:22that's been done so far about 25 of
  695. 27:26adolescents in young adults with bpd
  696. 27:28still had symptoms of bpd so they still
  697. 27:32had increased wheezing and increased
  698. 27:34coughing and increased usage of
  699. 27:36medications as compared to
  700. 27:38adults who never had bpd
  701. 27:41school children with a history of bpd
  702. 27:44also had have been shown to have
  703. 27:46decreased exercise tolerance and
  704. 27:48decreased aerobic capacity as you all
  705. 27:50know with bad bpd you can also end up
  706. 27:53with pulmonary hypertension so the right
  707. 27:56side of the heart pumps to the lungs and
  708. 27:59when you have higher pressures in the
  709. 28:01lungs that right side of the heart can
  710. 28:03get tired or can get hypertrophied and
  711. 28:06the pressure on the right side can also
  712. 28:07go up this is kind of a right-sided
  713. 28:10heart failure
  714. 28:12or core pulmonal
  715. 28:13in fact in about 50 percent of
  716. 28:16children who had bpd when they were
  717. 28:19infants
  718. 28:20they were found to still have
  719. 28:23electrocardiographics so on that ekg
  720. 28:26they were found to have some level of
  721. 28:28rvh as compared to
  722. 28:30children who'd never had bpd so even
  723. 28:33though eventually the heart gets
  724. 28:35remodeled and hopefully eventually these
  725. 28:37pressures go away it takes many many
  726. 28:39years for all the changes to actually
  727. 28:42occur
  728. 28:43but just to emphasize most patients that
  729. 28:47had a history of bpd especially mild bpd
  730. 28:50can go on to lead completely healthy
  731. 28:52lives and even if they don't have
  732. 28:54excellent exercise tolerance they can
  733. 28:56still exercise and perform all the
  734. 28:58duties that would require an excellent
  735. 29:00quality of life
  736. 29:01what we do need to be worried about
  737. 29:03moving forward is how these infants with
  738. 29:06bpd are at increased risk for pulmonary
  739. 29:08complications later in their lives are
  740. 29:10there increased risk for chronic
  741. 29:12obstructive lung disease for example
  742. 29:14like adult versions of lung disease and
  743. 29:18so these infants should really go out of
  744. 29:20their way to protect their lungs as much
  745. 29:22as possible they should these kids
  746. 29:24should categorically not be smoking or
  747. 29:26be exposed to secondhand smoke also they
  748. 29:29should as much as be possible be
  749. 29:31immunized they should receive all their
  750. 29:34immunizations against the really scary
  751. 29:36like lung infections pneumonia and
  752. 29:39whooping cough as well as when they're
  753. 29:41young even rsv or respiratory syncytial
  754. 29:44virus our second concern or concerning
  755. 29:47outcome is growth failure it's not a
  756. 29:50huge step to think that because we're so
  757. 29:52worried about fluid overloading these
  758. 29:54babies and because they have such high
  759. 29:56metabolic demands that they may not be
  760. 29:59growing as effectively in length or as
  761. 30:01weight as babies without bpd and in fact
  762. 30:05especially earlier studies have shown
  763. 30:07that infants with bpd were not as tall
  764. 30:09or had a higher incidence of failure to
  765. 30:12thrive as compared to infants without
  766. 30:13ppd however i will say that a lot of
  767. 30:16those studies were published earlier in
  768. 30:18the in the thousands and in the 90s and
  769. 30:20now probably because we know the
  770. 30:22importance of nutrition
  771. 30:24it is thought that maybe the differences
  772. 30:27in weight are not so much to do with bpd
  773. 30:29but the fact that they were smaller
  774. 30:31babies in the first place
  775. 30:33and then probably the most important
  776. 30:35outcome is the neurodevelopmental
  777. 30:36outcome so like we've said throughout
  778. 30:39this talk and through many of the other
  779. 30:40videos the worse the inflammatory
  780. 30:43process the worse the developmental
  781. 30:45outcome and this has been shown to be
  782. 30:47the same in bpd as well and it has been
  783. 30:50consistently shown that infants with bpd
  784. 30:52perform worse at every age as compared
  785. 30:55to infants without bpd
  786. 30:57and by the infants being about three
  787. 31:00years old about 20 percent of them will
  788. 31:03score less than 70 in cognitive and
  789. 31:06mental standard scoring tests so really
  790. 31:10anything that we can do to prevent bpd
  791. 31:12would be extremely beneficial well that
  792. 31:15was a lot of information you all did ask
  793. 31:17for it though go check out the links
  794. 31:19below and in the meantime please like
  795. 31:22this video and hopefully you'll
  796. 31:24subscribe to this channel thank you so
  797. 31:26much for being here
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