How a Dog Saved Her Life: Evelyn Choh on Awakening Love, Mindfulness & Second Chances — Transcript

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1. 0:33on the bestseller best-selling author's
2. 0:38summit 2025. I can't believe it's a new
3. 0:41year, but it is. Happy New Year. Avoid
4. 0:44it. Yes. Well, happy new year. Slightly
5. 0:46belated.
6. 0:47you know, in in the process of uh over
7. 0:50coming out of Chinese New Year. So, you
8. 0:53get two whacks. One because of So, you
9. 0:56get double whammy. You get one where
10. 0:58it's celebratory. You drink a little bit
11. 1:01and the next you you await you either
12. 1:03divvy up or accept red envelopes. Well,
13. 1:06that that's that's based on your your
14. 1:08heritage. So, you get you get two double
15. 1:10you get two gifts. Okay. I missed out on
16. 1:12the Chinese New Year part, but we'll
17. 1:14take this. But let's talk about
18. 1:16Awakening Love, your heartfelt book, and
19. 1:21share with us what what inspired you to
20. 1:23write this book about a relationship
21. 1:25with a cutest can be pug.
22. 1:29So the pug's name is Mingu. Okay. Uh
23. 1:33that's a Tibetan name. Uh his name is
24. 1:35Mingu. Uh what prompted me to write this
25. 1:38book? Uh I think in our previous
26. 1:41conversations Mitch that I came out from
27. 1:45quite uh I guess lifech changing
28. 1:48experience
29. 1:49surgery you know. Yes. And uh while I
30. 1:53was uh recovering and then I was
31. 1:56thinking what should I write about in
32. 2:00this book and um and then I thought that
33. 2:04well since I am now on my second lease
34. 2:08of life so to speak I should write about
35. 2:12what happened and in my first lease
36. 2:15first right and it's been something that
37. 2:17I wanted to do I did not know that I was
38. 2:20going to write it then but after the
39. 2:24operation then I said nope this is the
40. 2:26time I got to do it let's do it so
41. 2:28that's how I wrote about it and um this
42. 2:32book is actually like a bit of a memoir
43. 2:34like that and a little bit of a novel
44. 2:37recounting the experiences that I shared
45. 2:39with uh our park and and how special he
46. 2:43was to me but you know he's a first time
47. 2:45dog right so every every first time is a
48. 2:48special so you know that he was Your
49. 2:51first pet? First pet? Yes, we had dogs,
50. 2:54but they were all huge and gigantic like
51. 2:56Great Danes kind of dog. You You don't
52. 2:58And that was when I'm 5 years old,
53. 3:00right? Okay. This is my real uh pet and
54. 3:04and he's extra special because the
55. 3:07person who gave it to me holds a special
56. 3:09place in my heart. He's my spiritual
57. 3:11guru. So and and that is also why I I
58. 3:15connected it to my life is because I was
59. 3:19given a life you know um a little dog
60. 3:23the size of my palm right I was given a
61. 3:26life uh so I I wanted to really uh uh
62. 3:31share this life that I have with Mingu
63. 3:34to whoever wants to read it. How how old
64. 3:38was he when you I don't want to say
65. 3:40acquired him? Start started your
66. 3:42relationship. Uh our relationship
67. 3:45started. S. Well, but it is it's it's a
68. 3:50relationship. It is. But it is. Yeah.
69. 3:52Our relationship started when he was
70. 3:55only 6 weeks old and he was the size of
71. 3:59my palm. You know, he fitted right in
72. 4:02and he was this derpy guy. And in fact,
73. 4:05I I would say that out of the three
74. 4:07puppies that were there, he actually
75. 4:09chose me because he let the puppies run
76. 4:12around and and I was sitting on the
77. 4:14floor so that I'm on the same level as
78. 4:16as the puppy and he kind of just climbed
79. 4:19up, you know, very gung-ho. He just
80. 4:21climbed up and then he just like looked
81. 4:23me in the face and he goes, "Okay." You
82. 4:26know, and then he just settled in my lap
83. 4:29and then and then Guru said, "I I think
84. 4:32the puppy chose you already." you know,
85. 4:34so uh that that's how the relationship
86. 4:37started. You can say
87. 4:40well it is it is a starting of a
88. 4:42relationship and it's it's a it's almost
89. 4:44if I'm going a little t bit deeper and
90. 4:47I've had multiple pets in my life and
91. 4:49have had bonds some more some with more
92. 4:54a deeper relationship than others and it
93. 4:56may sound a little crazy. I had a
94. 4:58favorite fish as a boy that used to swim
95. 5:01around and I would it was called an
96. 5:02arowana. It was a specific type of you
97. 5:05know what it is but I bought it when it
98. 5:06was a little and it got to where it was
99. 5:09over a foot long in my aquarium
100. 5:12and I used to talk to it as a
101. 5:1610-year-old boy thinking arowana I would
102. 5:18think and I would sometimes reach in and
103. 5:20just touch his back on the top just to
104. 5:23pet him and I mean I he he didn't give
105. 5:26me affection back. He'd maybe bite my
106. 5:27finger a little bit thinking that I was
107. 5:29a guppy to that was his food. And then
108. 5:32when he got a little bit bigger, you
109. 5:34know, he had a little bit of these
110. 5:35needle teeth that used to snip me a
111. 5:37little bit. And I had that interaction
112. 5:40and I I was 10, Evelyn. So to put it in
113. 5:44the proper context, but he jumped there
114. 5:47jumping fish. He jumped out through the
115. 5:49opening after I had him. Yeah. After I
116. 5:52had him about two years, he got up. He
117. 5:54jumped out of the opening in the back
118. 5:56where the filter p you know tubes come
119. 5:58in and I found him on the floor in a
120. 6:02crispy state when I came home from
121. 6:04school. Oh no. Oh and I cried my eyes
122. 6:06out as a kid. I loved that fish. May
123. 6:09sound a little strange. It's not like a
124. 6:11furry animal, but I still had that
125. 6:13relationship with something living that
126. 6:17I thought about loved to feeding him. He
127. 6:20was the my first, let's say, engagement
128. 6:24or relationship with something. I was an
129. 6:26only child, so this was my my
130. 6:28relationship. And it was a fish and I
131. 6:31also had dogs, but I loved this fish
132. 6:33more than my dogs at that point. And
133. 6:36because I I raised it the the dogs were
134. 6:39Yeah. from a little tiny thing like you
135. 6:42said in the palm of your hand. Same
136. 6:44description, just a different animal.
137. 6:45So, I can relate to that. And I think
138. 6:47many of the people that are on this call
139. 6:49with us today can relate to that because
140. 6:53we're humans and it it
141. 6:56it fills a void, doesn't it? Yes. Yes.
142. 6:59And you know what um the the key about
143. 7:02this is that there is an
144. 7:04interconnectivity
145. 7:06between and human and and the the the
146. 7:12point is we are communicating. It's just
147. 7:16that we do not know what the
148. 7:18consciousness is saying to each other.
149. 7:20But there's a communication and if you
150. 7:22think that that's perfectly fine because
151. 7:25sometimes if you call the name of your
152. 7:26arowana and then he comes to you right
153. 7:29you know that they are sensing
154. 7:31something. It is something there. So it
155. 7:34is not like you know a makeup story or
156. 7:37anything. Well, you had a a particular
157. 7:40name for your for your uh puppy and then
158. 7:44became, of course, a full-g grown dog
159. 7:46and the and the relationship you
160. 7:48developed with this animal. Uh, and at
161. 7:52least you assigned a name. I wasn't
162. 7:54creative at age 10. My my arowana was
163. 7:57called arowana.
164. 8:00No, the next time you have to name all
165. 8:02your fish.
166. 8:05Yeah. Well, it was I just make a joke.
167. 8:07Yeah. about that. So you learned in
168. 8:10awakening love your well assembled book
169. 8:13and I was able to join you in this
170. 8:16journey of assembling this book and it's
171. 8:18all about love. It's a perfect title.
172. 8:20It's this relationship
173. 8:22that we're talking about you had with
174. 8:23another being, a dog being. It's a
175. 8:27being. Let's say it's a being. It's a
176. 8:29being, not a human being. It's a dog
177. 8:31being. Uh yet you had this relationship.
178. 8:34Give me the first lesson you learned.
179. 8:39Well, you know, before I answer that
180. 8:42question, okay, you have to know the
181. 8:45reason why the book is called awakening
182. 8:47love. It's a concept that I believe in
183. 8:52uh and awakening love it is a in all of
184. 8:56us we have love in all of us because we
185. 8:59are humans right and and whatever
186. 9:02beings. Um but the point is it is it is
187. 9:06hidden until someone
188. 9:09awakens it and that is the connectivity
189. 9:12that we need. Once you have awakened
190. 9:15that love for humans for animals then
191. 9:21you I think you are changed forever you
192. 9:24know. So that's that's that's the part
193. 9:27of the awaken. How long was he your
194. 9:29companion? 14 years. Wow. Wow. Every day
195. 9:33he's at my feet. Especially when we work
196. 9:36from because I work from home a lot. So
197. 9:38he's always at my feet. A quiet quiet
198. 9:42guy. Um so going to your question, what
199. 9:46what did you teach? What did I learn?
200. 9:49Yeah. Unexpectedly,
201. 9:51uh Mitch, patience, right? I'm impatient
202. 9:56because we all are. We're always rushing
203. 9:58through life and everything, right? So,
204. 10:00we want to do everything quickly. But he
205. 10:03taught me to slow down. And how did he
206. 10:05do that? He taught me that he's also a
207. 10:08living being.
208. 10:10You I forget because he's like a toy,
209. 10:13right? And then, you know, you wind it
210. 10:15up, you charge it, and then we want to
211. 10:17go go and all that. But he he taught me
212. 10:20to slow down. If he's slowing down, I
213. 10:23have to slow down. Like in our walks, we
214. 10:25walk almost every day. I have to slow
215. 10:26down. I will look at what he's looking
216. 10:28at. If it is the tree, if it is
217. 10:30something, I will look at what he's
218. 10:31doing. And if he speeds up, I will speed
219. 10:34up. So this is this is a part of
220. 10:37patience, right? And and this patience
221. 10:41that I noticed from him, I also learned
222. 10:45to incorporate into my, you know, work
223. 10:47life and all that. Um I give you an
224. 10:50example. So when we work, we forget that
225. 10:54different people have different pace of
226. 10:56working, of thinking. So, um, what it
227. 11:01what it does for me is that I kind of
228. 11:04slow down a little bit and and when I
229. 11:06notice the slower ones, I'll coach them
230. 11:09a little bit more and then so that they
231. 11:11don't feel any stigma of being uh slow.
232. 11:15So, and I think that's very important
233. 11:18because, you know, we we go through life
234. 11:20and and there's so much things going on
235. 11:23and if I think that I can do that for
236. 11:25someone, I think that's very good of me
237. 11:27and for the person as well. And um yeah,
238. 11:31so that's that's that's one thing that I
239. 11:33really learned and to be really mindful
240. 11:37about what I'm doing. So, and and with
241. 11:41Mingu, it was interesting because I
242. 11:44never used to walk in the park and
243. 11:45notice all these things and smell the
244. 11:47flowers. I'm not that kind of person if
245. 11:48you know me. But but because of the dog,
246. 11:52I'm like, he he's standing there and he
247. 11:54he is very interesting. He will watch
248. 11:58the bushes and he'll watch when he sees
249. 12:01a butterfly and he'll stand there and
250. 12:02he'll look and he'll observe. It's quite
251. 12:05interesting because I don't think I've
252. 12:07seen any of the dogs in the park doing
253. 12:09that. Just standing there and observing
254. 12:12the butterfly. So I found he was quite a
255. 12:16interesting character.
256. 12:18So that was right, you know, I I I in in
257. 12:23comparison with my current dogs, right?
258. 12:25He he's really different. And that was
259. 12:27what prompted me also to write about
260. 12:30Mingu now that I have two more to
261. 12:33compare with. And I noticed that these
262. 12:35two fellas are different you know. Uh so
263. 12:38so yeah so some of the learnings over
264. 12:41there
265. 12:43well it's the the relationship you have
266. 12:46everybody has a different type of
267. 12:48relationship and we learn different
268. 12:51lessons and so the so patience was one
269. 12:55of them and when you slow down and it
270. 12:57sounds like he introduced you to let's
271. 13:01say stimuli that normally you wouldn't
272. 13:04pay attention to correct and if he
273. 13:06slowed down. I mean, Singapore is not
274. 13:09known for mountains or I mean, it's more
275. 13:13it's flatter. It It's got its definite
276. 13:16charm. I I mean, I love Singapore. I
277. 13:18love going there. It's a great place,
278. 13:20but it isn't a a place that's
279. 13:22mountainous. It's not Tibet.
280. 13:25No. Or Nepal, which has a different type
281. 13:28of feeling that gets tapped inside us.
282. 13:31But it still may bring you to those
283. 13:34places. And sometimes our little
284. 13:36spiritual guide is about yay big. Yes.
285. 13:41Yes. I I agree with that. I really agree
286. 13:44with that. Yeah. And it opens a door
287. 13:46like you said you were walking down the
288. 13:47street and it may stop and look at a
289. 13:49tree or you might perceive it to look at
290. 13:51a tree and it may draw your attention
291. 13:53to. It's like what's he thinking? Yeah.
292. 13:56What's he thinking? It's like why is he
293. 13:58slowing down? You know, and then you you
294. 14:00I try to like look at where his eyes are
295. 14:02focused on and then that's where you
296. 14:05say, "Oh, our friend our little friend
297. 14:08knows how to admire little butterflies."
298. 14:11Oh, but I I thought that was quite
299. 14:14unusual, you know. Well, does it make
300. 14:17that is it he's admiring them or is he
301. 14:20maybe thinking about chomping them? That
302. 14:23it Well, and that might be a metaphor in
303. 14:25itself, too. It's like, isn't it
304. 14:26perception? is our own reality. Yeah,
305. 14:30that was okay. That could be a point.
306. 14:32But you know what? He's so good that he
307. 14:35doesn't run after chickens like in the
308. 14:39park, you know, there are wild chickens
309. 14:40around. And when he first went there as
310. 14:43a puppy, they all avoided him because
311. 14:45they don't know his style yet, you know.
312. 14:48But later on when he goes walking and I
313. 14:50unleash him, uh, when there's not many
314. 14:52people at the park, they he he doesn't
315. 14:55chase them. He's not bothered with them
316. 14:57and then they will they will be walking
317. 14:59on this side and then the other chicken
318. 15:01and all that will be walking on the
319. 15:02other side and he's okay. And you know
320. 15:04what the other thing also he doesn't
321. 15:06charm them as you say is like example
322. 15:10the you know in my house we live near
323. 15:12the forest so we have lizards okay yeah
324. 15:15you know lizards right so dogs would
325. 15:17usually go after lizards they would
326. 15:19because they they scuttle around very
327. 15:21quickly but I've seen him you know the
328. 15:24lizards it I felt as though we are we
329. 15:27are growing lizards or something but the
330. 15:29lizards on the ground and Mingu is face
331. 15:31to face with the lizard it's like
332. 15:33they're having their own chat and then
333. 15:35they'll look at each other. It's like
334. 15:36having a a a onetoone face off, you
335. 15:39know. After a while they oh okay then
336. 15:41they'll each go their own way and then I
337. 15:43thought it was really funny because they
338. 15:46are like saying oh you know how was your
339. 15:47day I like all right you know not much
340. 15:51and then they just went on one went up
341. 15:53the wall the other one went to look for
342. 15:55some whatever thing that he wants to
343. 15:57look at. So that was interesting. I like
344. 15:59wow, you know, um no chasing of lizards.
345. 16:06Well, it's maybe yeah, he's a different
346. 16:08soul. Maybe you learned a lesson there.
347. 16:10You don't have to chase everything
348. 16:12that's in front of you. True. Isn't that
349. 16:14a corporate lesson also in itself? It
350. 16:16is. Well, it's like pick your battles,
351. 16:19you know, and and also it's a matter of
352. 16:21pick your battles. How you going to win
353. 16:23the war? You don't fight every battle.
354. 16:26Exactly. And and this this this topic
355. 16:30about picking your battles, right,
356. 16:31Mitch? Um it was very clear there is one
357. 16:35particular dog about his size. Her name
358. 16:38is Yogi who walks the park also and
359. 16:41she's a Jack Russell with a pointy nose,
360. 16:44right? So she she loves Mingu and she
361. 16:46wants to come and you know play with him
362. 16:48but Mingu is flat, right? So because
363. 16:51he's a pup. So she when she comes near
364. 16:54she pokes him in the face. So this dog
365. 16:58of mine avoids yogi avoids
366. 17:02when he sees her walking here on the
367. 17:05pathway. He will turn around and go one
368. 17:09big circle and wait for me on the other
369. 17:12side. He will not let yogi come near
370. 17:16him. So that is to me he knows how to
371. 17:20pick his battles.
372. 17:23To me, it is like learning how not to
373. 17:27get into tussles with other people on
374. 17:30other people's terms. So, I pick my own
375. 17:33battles. I come back to fight another
376. 17:35day on my terms. I may take a longer
377. 17:39route, but I will come back. Well, and
378. 17:43yes. Yeah. And and sometimes, you know,
379. 17:45I I don't know who I heard this from,
380. 17:47but but dogs may bark a little bit and
381. 17:50they may not have the memory or the
382. 17:52resentments that humans carry. They
383. 17:55might start a fresh day. And that that's
384. 17:57a lesson learned. It's the simplicity in
385. 17:59matters where humans to can, not all,
386. 18:03but some of us as homo homo sapiens hold
387. 18:07resentments from from a day that was a
388. 18:10week ago. And that individual that we
389. 18:13may have a resentment with is owning
390. 18:15real estate in our brain, right? He's
391. 18:18got a position uh in our brain of of
392. 18:20resentment. It's like we're giving that
393. 18:22person too much weight. They might have
394. 18:24forgotten about the incident. And dogs,
395. 18:26I don't think carry resentments.
396. 18:28Elephants do, but dogs don't. They
397. 18:30don't, but they remember what is good
398. 18:32for them and what's not good for them. I
399. 18:34believe they do. And that's a good point
400. 18:36in itself also. It's okay. If we know
401. 18:40that walking in the traffic will cause a
402. 18:42problem for us, we don't do it. Yes. So,
403. 18:45we don't we're if we had a if you have a
404. 18:49little dog and you see a Rottweiler
405. 18:51walking down the sidewalk
406. 18:54opposing you and you're getting closer
407. 18:56with a spike collar around its neck and
408. 18:59the owner look is a ruffian type person,
409. 19:03you don't want to get into an
410. 19:04engagement. You may pick your dog up to
411. 19:07avoid that. You know, humans act in a
412. 19:10different way. Sometimes can be
413. 19:11confrontational if you have a lot of
414. 19:13testosterone in you at that moment. But
415. 19:15as as a parent, because you're a parent,
416. 19:19you are the parent of that dog, so to
417. 19:21speak. Our roles aren't necessarily
418. 19:23equal. The the exchanges back and forth,
419. 19:25but we might pick you might have picked
420. 19:27your dog, Mingu, up to avoid that
421. 19:30interaction with the spikealler
422. 19:32Rottweiler. Yeah. Because that's not a
423. 19:35battle it could win. I I I'll pick you
424. 19:37up if I see something like that. Well,
425. 19:40yes, but those are those are visuals. I
426. 19:42mean, it's how does that apply to our
427. 19:44real life? Because your book isn't just
428. 19:46about or it's not limited to not just
429. 19:49it's not limited to, oh, I love my
430. 19:52little dog. You have applied life
431. 19:54lessons throughout this book and that's
432. 19:57what gives it some great traction and
433. 20:00uniqueness is what I would say. Yeah.
434. 20:03And um you know when I when I was
435. 20:06writing the book, the more I wrote about
436. 20:08it and the more I recalled what was
437. 20:12happening you know in the past then I
438. 20:14realized that wow it really became more
439. 20:18and more obvious to me because on that
440. 20:21time when it happened I was reflecting
441. 20:23on it but you know it's all forgotten
442. 20:25but as I wrote the book it it became
443. 20:28clearer and clearer to me what it was
444. 20:31about you know So, so yeah, I'm totally
445. 20:35convinced of with myself
446. 20:38and your your journey with our
447. 20:41relationship started about a year ago.
448. 20:43You came in a little bit later than the
449. 20:46other people are in your group who all
450. 20:48all 12 of you created your concept, had
451. 20:52a book idea, wrote it, we pushed it.
452. 20:55It's now undergoing bestseller status uh
453. 20:59because of all the sales that you've
454. 21:01created interest. You've got quite a few
455. 21:03reviews because you've touched people's
456. 21:05hearts throughout this process and you
457. 21:10impress me because I think you were
458. 21:11about two to three weeks behind
459. 21:13everybody else. You caught up and then
460. 21:16shined. You shined. that felt like you
461. 21:20had because you went through a rough
462. 21:22surgery and that's your place to do to
463. 21:24disclose it or not but you went through
464. 21:26let's say a medical challenge and then
465. 21:28you had joined and you were inspired
466. 21:31because of I I I believe you it was a
467. 21:34real jump start for you to start the
468. 21:36next area of your life. Right. Right.
469. 21:39And in fact, you know, uh, Mitch, 21st,
470. 21:43no, 24th January is my anniversary to
471. 21:48the operation.
472. 21:50And you're right, I I missed three
473. 21:52lessons. I mean, I came in on the lesson
474. 21:54number four and I thought we were ending
475. 21:57soon. So, I I was in a big hurry to
476. 22:01write. Um, somehow my mind was really
477. 22:04focused. Maybe because it got opened up
478. 22:07and then you know more air got in or
479. 22:09something. So maybe maybe it got more
480. 22:13oxygen
481. 22:15back.
482. 22:17And that's where you got recharged
483. 22:19almost, didn't you? Yeah, probably. So,
484. 22:22um I I wrote it during my medical leave.
485. 22:26Maybe that's why I could finish it so
486. 22:28quickly.
487. 22:30Could be that. Yeah, you had a little
488. 22:31Could be that because I was like 100% on
489. 22:33it, you know. um instead of resting like
490. 22:36I can't rest 24 hours a day or or sleep
491. 22:40the day away. So during my waking hours
492. 22:44I I'm really like trying to think about
493. 22:46how and where where the book should go.
494. 22:50It went through a lot of editing of
495. 22:52course but I think it came out okay. It
496. 22:55came out very well and I like your
497. 22:57books. Which brings it into
498. 23:00our my question for our audience here.
499. 23:03What's your gift for them? Because
500. 23:05you've we've talked about it and it's an
501. 23:07excellent book, heart-c centered. This
502. 23:09isn't a tactic about how to make more
503. 23:12money. I mean, every you know, we got a
504. 23:14bunch of authors on this summit, but
505. 23:16share what you're offering to our
506. 23:18attendees. Of course. Um I have um put
507. 23:23in uh one chapter of the book um which I
508. 23:29believe Mitch will include in some uh in
509. 23:34the resources section for each lecture
510. 23:36resources section. Please feel uh free
511. 23:39to read it and if you feel comfortable
512. 23:42to buy the book it's on Amazon.com
513. 23:46either in ebook or print copy. But if
514. 23:50you're in Singapore, uh you know how to
515. 23:52reach me. Uh I have hard copies at home.
516. 23:55In fact, I sold very well. Um Mitch, if
517. 23:58I might say so. I about 300 copies. I'm
518. 24:03down to less than 50%. And this is just
519. 24:07normal uh sales through friends and and
520. 24:11all that. I did not do any big time uh
521. 24:15bookshop something or whatever. Not yet.
522. 24:18Not yet. I I hope somebody will call me
523. 24:21and say, I want to put like 50 to 100
524. 24:23books on my shelves and then I go,
525. 24:27well, different doors open at different
526. 24:30times and books. You know, you've heard
527. 24:33my stories about books I've written and
528. 24:36years later. That's the beauty of it has
529. 24:38shelf life and you've got such a great
530. 24:40cover. You just don't know when or or if
531. 24:44it's going to work. You think, "Oh, is
532. 24:45is this going to work?" You just don't
533. 24:47know when you have to be out there and
534. 24:50exposed. That's why I have this author
535. 24:52summit for all of you Singaporeans
536. 24:56because I wanted to give you an
537. 24:57opportunity to showcase to your
538. 25:00Singaporeans and to some Americans who
539. 25:02are also listening to your interview and
540. 25:06this is great. So, let's go through I've
541. 25:08got a couple questions from people in
542. 25:10the audience which I want to reveal. I
543. 25:12can't go through all of them but let's
544. 25:14talk for a second. What was your number
545. 25:19one
546. 25:21lesson you want to share with people who
547. 25:23want to write a book? What should they
548. 25:26do or what do you recommend to do? I
549. 25:28don't like to sh on people. What do you
550. 25:30recommend people do in order to get a
551. 25:33book done?
552. 25:36I thought that was an obvious uh uh
553. 25:39answer. Mitch, call you Mitch. Oh, no.
554. 25:43No. I wasn't even referring to that so
555. 25:45much as the discipline to get it done.
556. 25:47Oh yeah. Yeah. I mean Okay. Yes. Yes.
557. 25:50But yes. So if if you are someone who
558. 25:53wants to write a book, then write it.
559. 25:56Don't don't don't think too much and
560. 26:00don't spend three years at it. Just
561. 26:02write the first one. It's perfect
562. 26:04already as it is. You know, edit it,
563. 26:06whatever. But put it out as soon as you
564. 26:08can and then go do more edit. And as you
565. 26:12get better at it, then you get better at
566. 26:14it. So, I mean, that's how I would work
567. 26:16it. Well, round two is better. I mean,
568. 26:20the first time you get on a bicycle, you
569. 26:22might fall down. Yes. And you need some
570. 26:25training wheels, but when eventually if
571. 26:27you haven't ridden a bike for 20 years,
572. 26:29which I haven't ridden a bicycle outside
573. 26:30in years, there's no way I'm falling
574. 26:33down. I'll be careful because I'm older
575. 26:35and I don't want to break today.
576. 26:37Boy. But yeah, I could ride a bike and
577. 26:39balance perfectly without much exposure,
578. 26:43without muchuh planning or training. I
579. 26:45think the same would hold true for you
580. 26:47once you acquire that skill of balance
581. 26:49on a bicycle. Same holds true for
582. 26:52writing a book. Your second book, third
583. 26:54book, easy peasy. You know, the proc
584. 26:57should be easier. Should be easier. But
585. 26:59I must say that uh I must get off my
586. 27:01butt and do it. I I think that's the
587. 27:03thing. You know, procrastination doesn't
588. 27:05work here. You got to you got to just do
589. 27:07it. So, so a little bit at a time. And
590. 27:10you you you made a what what I was
591. 27:13looking for and I I I'll observe what I
592. 27:16saw with you was an absolute 100%
593. 27:20commitment to doing it because you had a
594. 27:22sense of purpose. You had a passion and
595. 27:26at that time through unfortunate
596. 27:28circumstances you had the time. Yeah.
597. 27:31You couldn't use time as an excuse
598. 27:32because you you weren't working. how I
599. 27:35said it. Yeah. So, yeah, it's one year
600. 27:39and and and I haven't written the second
601. 27:41one. So, uh I'll try to do it again
602. 27:43soon. Yeah. But you also had the break,
603. 27:46but you all had this big commitment. And
604. 27:48in some ways, you checked that box. You
605. 27:52ticked it. I did. And you have a book
606. 27:55done. And you've done what most people
607. 27:56never do, which is get it done. You
608. 27:59wrote one and that's that's great. Well,
609. 28:01Evelyn, it's been a joy. As expected, I
610. 28:04did have this expectation of you sharing
611. 28:07your your heartfelt book. This isn't
612. 28:09about a step-by-step system to make more
613. 28:12money or to raise kids or bring up
614. 28:14bilingual fluency. Those are all hard
615. 28:16topics. This is a soft, heart-c
616. 28:19centered. If you want to relate to great
617. 28:21stories through metaphors of the through
618. 28:24the eyes of a dog and the relationship,
619. 28:27this is a fantastic read for you. easy
620. 28:30read and one that if you're a human
621. 28:32being will tap your heart. Evelyn, it's
622. 28:35been a pleasure to have you here today.
623. 28:37Thank you so much and we will see you
624. 28:40again soon. Thank you. Me