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0:00If you were to ask Sarah Boon how her
0:02life was going, she would have said it
0:04was amazing. Within the past year, she
0:06had just finalized her divorce from her
0:08over a decade long partner Brian, who
0:11she believed was holding her back. She
0:13had her own apartment with her longtime
0:15boyfriend Jorge, where she would
0:17regularly host the light of her life,
0:20her son Lucas, and everything was going
0:22her way. She was an overachiever through
0:25and through. And although her marriage
0:26had ended, she was looking forward to
0:28brighter days. Everyone who knew her
0:31thought the world of her and knew that
0:32despite the hard times she had been
0:34through, she was going to make something
0:35of herself. She spent her days actively
0:38looking after Lucas, riding bikes, and
0:40chasing him around the apartment
0:42complex, keeping up a happy and healthy
0:44co-parenting relationship with Brian,
0:47and all around putting her best foot
0:49forward. But all of that would change
0:51one night with a simple game of hideand-
0:53seek. Welcome back to another episode of
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0:58Today we are going to be covering the
1:00case of Sarah Boone and Jorge Torres Jr.
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3:32As I stated in the introduction, Sarah
3:34Boon thought the world of herself. She
3:36wholeheartedly believed that she was a
3:38wonderful wife, mother, and support
3:40system for everyone in her life and that
3:43she was a shining pillar in her own
3:45community. If she did go through
3:47hardships, it wasn't her fault. She
3:49worked tirelessly to make sure that
3:51everyone around her knew they were loved
3:53and cared for. However, that in no way
3:56was the case, and many people who were
3:58involved with her actively laughed at
4:00that assessment when it was indicated to
4:02them by police during this
4:04investigation. Sarah had been an
4:06overachiever in school. However, when
4:08she became a wife and mother, she began
4:10to spiral. She felt trapped and isolated
4:13as if she was now just expected to give
4:15all of herself to her newborn son and
4:18husband, and she hated it. According to
4:20the police interview with her
4:21ex-husband, Sarah began to collapse into
4:24herself and fully rejected the life she
4:26created over the years.
4:28>> And how long would you say the
4:31alcoholism has been a part of her life?
4:34Um, [sighs]
4:36oh, I mean, it's always been a part of
4:38her life. Um, it seemed to have gotten
4:41worse and worse. I I think more or less
4:45kind of since we had Lucas. And I think
4:48a lot of it was the fact that she kind
4:51of I guess maybe felt trapped or
4:53something.
4:53>> Okay.
4:54>> That um I mean before that I mean
4:57whenever she wanted you're outside
4:58having a drink. Oh, I want to go play
4:59pool. You go over across the street. You
5:01play pool for a little bit.
5:02>> Yeah. that that's not happening anymore
5:04once you got a kid,
5:05>> right?
5:05>> Um so
5:06>> how old your son?
5:07>> He is nine.
5:10>> The alcohol has gotten worse and worse
5:12and worse over over the years. Um that's
5:15one of the main reasons why I divorced
5:17her. Um I just couldn't deal with it. I
5:19mean it got to the point where I mean on
5:20weekdays she'd go out and I guess the
5:23George person is one of the people she
5:25had met. uh because I separated at one
5:27point I went over my parents house to
5:28live for a few months and I guess she
5:30met him over at the pool place or
5:33something like that. But I had come back
5:34and we were in therapy trying to work it
5:36out and I mean on on a week night when
5:40he's got school the next day, I've got
5:41work the next day. I mean she was out
5:43till 3:00 in the morning when the bar
5:45closes and she'd bring people back over
5:47on the back porch. I mean, one time some
5:50random person walked in my house and
5:51started screaming for Sarah at 3:30,
5:534:00 in the morning when we're trying to
5:55sleep. I mean, while Brian would stay
5:57home with Lucas, making sure he was
5:59looked after and taken care of, Sarah
6:02would go out to bars and get wasted,
6:04trying to reclaim her glory days. She
6:07partied like a teenager, drinking in
6:09excess and blacking out constantly. She
6:11would stay out until early morning
6:13hours, often bringing back a gaggle of
6:16men and women to keep the party going in
6:18the house she shared with her family,
6:20not caring of how dangerous that could
6:22be. Brian discussed waking up multiple
6:24times to upwards of 20 strangers in the
6:27house, just hanging out and drinking to
6:30excess, all the while their son was in
6:32his room sleeping. Brian realized how
6:34dangerous the situation was for their
6:36son. How any number of men or women
6:39Sarah brought home could stumble into
6:41their child's room and harm him. And he
6:44begged Sarah to get help. But she
6:45actively rejected the idea, unable to
6:48deal with what she was doing. When Brian
6:50would tell her that her drinking had
6:52gotten out of hand, she would lash out
6:54violently, striking him multiple times
6:56and scratching his face, arms, neck, and
6:59torso, screaming that she was fine and
7:01he was the problem.
7:03What can you tell me about her?
7:06>> Um,
7:07I I don't She's generally not She can
7:11get a bit violent when she drinks. Um,
7:15>> not to this kind of extent if I don't
7:18know what happened exactly, but
7:20>> No, I'm just looking for
7:21>> um that that that was part of it. Um,
7:29>> and you said when she drinks that she
7:31can get physically aggressive.
7:33>> She can. I mean, she she did it to me a
7:35lot where she'd hit me and stuff like
7:36that. I mean, she she's tiny. I mean,
7:38she
7:39>> which What do you mean hit though? Like
7:40open hand smack you or like try and
7:44punch you?
7:44>> Yeah, she'd punch me. I mean, more arms.
7:47She She many many times would use her
7:48claws. I mean, I I had scratches on my
7:51neck at times, on my arms. I mean,
7:53things like that where she'd dig with
7:55her claws. Um,
7:57>> I I I never got that drunk and I had
8:00restraint. I never touched her back. I
8:02think George didn't have that restraint
8:04and at times he would hurt her back.
8:06>> So, for all for all I know, all the
8:08times he got arrested and she started
8:09it, I don't know.
8:11>> I wasn't there. So, but I know she could
8:14get violent at times.
8:16>> Okay.
8:17>> But I mean, it
8:19I don't know. It It wasn't anything too
8:23I don't know too much. I mean just
8:26>> Right. Yeah. I mean you don't feel like
8:28she was a huge threat I would assuming.
8:31Right. Yeah. Like you could handle
8:32yourself.
8:33>> Yes.
8:34>> Um
8:34>> their fights would come to an end when
8:36he would lock himself in another room or
8:39she would leave the home going once
8:40again to a bar in the area to drink. In
8:43Sarah's mind, she didn't have a problem.
8:46She wasn't an alcoholic and she wasn't
8:48doing anything wrong. She just liked to
8:50have a couple of drinks throughout the
8:52day and Brian was making a big deal out
8:54of nothing. She could not mentally
8:56handle the idea that what she was doing
8:58was in fact a problem and instead had to
9:01create a scenario where Brian was the
9:03bad guy and trying to control her.
9:05Because of her drinking and growing
9:07volatility, Brian felt uncomfortable
9:09leaving Lucas solely in her care. So
9:12when he would go to work, the boy was
9:14usually left at another relative's
9:16house. Sarah's friends and family were
9:18all well aware that she had a problem.
9:20However, none of them felt comfortable
9:22talking to Sarah about it. It wasn't
9:24just Brian who she would lash out at,
9:27but them as well. And for the most part,
9:29they just quietly stopped speaking to
9:31her. While out, Sarah began to have
9:33various affairs with a variety of
9:35different men who, like her, would be
9:38drinking in the middle of the day. It
9:40was at one of these bars that Sarah met
9:42Jorge Torres Jr. Jorge was working at
9:45Ace Hardware at the time. Like Sarah, he
9:48also had kids of his own, although he
9:50rarely ever saw them. Jorge and Sarah
9:52had one very important thing in common,
9:54and that was their drinking habits, and
9:57the relationship formed around that.
9:59Brian, for what it's worth, wanted to
10:01try and keep the marriage afloat for the
10:03sake of their son, and requested that
10:05Sarah and he go to counseling, but she
10:07would reject his offer outright. Once
10:09again, in her mind, he was the issue,
10:11not her. He should be the one getting
10:13therapy. He knew she was actively
10:15cheating on him with Jorge and other
10:17men. But it wouldn't be until a man
10:19showed up at the home, belligerently
10:21drunk and screaming to see his wife,
10:23that Brian would eventually separate
10:25from Sarah for good. Sarah, at this
10:27point, would realize that she had
10:29crossed a line and tried to repair the
10:31relationship. She told Brian that she
10:34would stop drinking, seeing other men,
10:36and would finally go to therapy with
10:37him, which is all Brian had really asked
10:40for. However, after a few sessions, he
10:42realized it was a lost cause. According
10:45to Brian, while in therapy, Sarah would
10:47continuously misremember certain events,
10:50entirely deny that certain things she
10:52had done had happened, and would lie to
10:54the therapist about obvious things. To
10:56him, it felt like she was more concerned
10:58with looking good and keeping a certain
11:01positive self-image than fixing any of
11:03the issues. And he knew it would be
11:05better for him to just cut his losses.
11:07After the separation and subsequent
11:09divorce, Sarah became a wavered presence
11:11in her son's life.
11:13>> Um, the rotation real quick. So, Monday,
11:15Tuesday,
11:17she'll have them. Wednesday, Thursday,
11:18you'll have them. And then you rotate
11:20each weekend.
11:21>> Yeah. Well,
11:21>> like it's every other weekend.
11:22>> How it's supposed to work? Generally,
11:24it's one or two times, maybe a week. I I
11:27think she had him. Last Tuesday was the
11:30last time he was actually over here. Um,
11:32>> and spent the night.
11:34>> Yes. Okay.
11:34>> It's probably another week before that.
11:36>> What's your son's name?
11:37>> Uh, Lucas. L U K.
11:39>> L U K. And Boon?
11:41>> Yeah.
11:43>> Um, you think he stayed here last
11:46Tuesday?
11:47>> Yes. I'm pretty sure it was last
11:49Tuesday.
11:53was um
11:58Well, then okay. So, you technically
12:00have him more than she does. Is Is that
12:02what you're getting?
12:03>> Yeah, that's that's why I said I was
12:04going. So, even though that's supposed
12:06to be, you still have him.
12:09>> There's It's a not a good day. George is
12:12in a bad mood or whatever else reason. I
12:15I think sometimes just she wants to stay
12:18up and drink and can't really do that.
12:19she's got to wake up and take him to
12:21school the next day,
12:22>> right?
12:23>> Any number of different reasons. So
12:24>> Sarah would rarely see him. Sometimes
12:27when it was her turn to pick up Lucas
12:28from school, she would simply not show
12:31up, leaving the boy waiting for hours
12:33until the school would contact his
12:35father. Other times, she would pick him
12:37up. And according to her own landlord,
12:39she would leave him unattended, running
12:41around her apartment complex without any
12:43sort of supervision. Worse still, she
12:46would cut visits short, calling Brian
12:48after a couple of hours to pick up their
12:50son, saying she wanted to go out
12:52drinking and didn't want him around. But
12:54Sarah had found a new excuse as to why
12:57she wasn't able to be present with her
12:59son, and that was Jorge. As mentioned
13:01previously, Jorge had a good amount in
13:03common with Sarah, mostly, and that they
13:05both loved to drink. However, they were
13:07both entirely toxic people. When
13:10agitated, both Jorge and Sarah would
13:12often instigate physical altercations,
13:14pushing, scratching, and attacking
13:17whoever they were with for little to no
13:19reason. And when the pair moved in
13:20together, they became the target of each
13:22other's eye. According to those who were
13:25around the couple, Sarah would usually
13:27start the arguments, accusing Jorge of
13:30everything from cheating to stealing
13:31money. And she would claw his face,
13:33neck, and arms. where Brian had never
13:35laid a hand on his wife and had always
13:38pushed her away and then left the
13:39situation quickly. Jorge would
13:41retaliate, kicking, punching, and
13:43hitting until the fight was over. When
13:45interviewed by the police, Sarah and
13:47Jorge's landlord would go on to state
13:50that early on in their tenure, Sarah had
13:52stated that Jorge was abusive to her and
13:55she wanted to get his name off the
13:56lease.
13:57>> You had told us that Sarah would confine
14:00in you about her and George's
14:03relationship. Can you tell us further
14:05what she would tell you?
14:06>> Yes. Um Sarah when shortly after she
14:10moved in um with George, she came to the
14:14office um to talk to me. We noticed
14:18bruises and stuff on her and um she
14:21asked me if she could talk to me
14:22privately and asked how I could how she
14:25would be able to get George off of the
14:27lease. Is there any way to do that? Uh
14:29which prompted, you know, deeper
14:31conversation. uh she proceeded to let me
14:33know and was showing me a lot of bruises
14:35and marks. Uh there were handprints,
14:38scratches. She even at one point had to
14:39go to the hospital through multiple
14:42conversations that we had had. It
14:44steadily progressed, you know. Um she
14:47had a very large gash at one point in
14:49her shin. She had to go to the hospital
14:51and get that taken care of. I'm not
14:53exactly sure what it was from. Um but I
14:56think it had to do when they got into a
14:58fight outside
14:59and something got broke. I think it was
15:01one of their wine glasses or something.
15:03But um you know, she came to me at one
15:05point asking, you know, what do I do?
15:08Like how can I get rid of him? You know,
15:11I don't I've never dealt with this type
15:12of situation. Um I just counsel her as
15:15she continued to come to me and explain
15:17to her that, you know, she had to make a
15:18decision if she was going to stay with
15:21him or not be with him. If she, you
15:24know, was going to try to work things
15:25out, they needed to seek out therapy,
15:26help, something.
15:29Um, it wasn't too long after that last
15:31conversation that I found out the police
15:33had came and George was arrested. Uh, I
15:37don't remember about how long it was in
15:39between time, but there was another
15:41incident after that where they both got
15:42arrested, all for domestic. Um, the
15:46complaints throughout their whole term,
15:48roughly about 20 to 30 noise complaints,
15:50fighting, arguing, uh, banging on doors,
15:54uh, loud music. It was just always
15:56something pertaining to their lifestyle.
15:58I do know that I have seen both of them
16:00intoxicated as early as 9:00 in the
16:02morning. And I mean staggering, falling
16:04down, intoxicated, both of them. Um,
16:08h there was a noise complaint that I had
16:11received about some fighting one day
16:13that was going on and Sarah was actually
16:15wandering around the property very
16:17drunk, um, barefoot,
16:20not properly dressed. I'll say it like
16:22that. um uh sitting on the side of her
16:26building over by the retention pond. Um
16:29when I was told about that is when I
16:31approached Sarah, sat down, talked to
16:33her. I even had also separately went and
16:35talked to George and told them that once
16:37they had served up, I needed to have a
16:39meeting with them. Um the following
16:42business day, because this was a Friday,
16:44I do remember that. Um I went to see
16:47them Monday roughly about 12:00. They
16:49were sober.
16:50They apparently had had some epiphany,
16:52you know, that they were going to
16:54straighten themselves up and start
16:55acting right. And they did very good for
16:58well, basically until now. I haven't
17:00gotten any complaints since May of the
17:02past year,
17:03>> you know, but up until that point, the
17:05complaints were consistent monthly
17:08always.
17:11>> Um,
17:14did would you ever speak with George by
17:15himself? Like, did he ever confine in
17:17you about their relationship? the one
17:19time um where like I was just saying
17:21that um when I talked to her, she wanted
17:23me she asked me to go talk to him. Um
17:26but she's like, "Please go put the fear
17:28of God in there." Fear of God in him.
17:30I'm a very certain property manager. You
17:32know, I don't tolerate a whole lot of
17:34crap,
17:35>> right?
17:35>> And she knew that and
17:38um she seemed scared of him at the time.
17:42So I said, "Sure, no problem. Just stay
17:44here. We'll go talk to him." I went
17:46over, sat down, talked to George. I
17:47talked to her for about 30 minutes
17:49altogether and you know George had
17:53explained to me that she was actually
17:55the aggressive one and the reason she
17:58ended up with Marks is
18:01uh in my I'll say my perception of what
18:04he was trying to explain is that she's
18:06very hands-on in the face you know
18:09dramatized in talking and explaining or
18:12or fussing whatever they might have been
18:13doing right
18:13>> and I I believe that because
18:16>> Jean my assistant doesn't even like to
18:18deal with her would her like the plague
18:21because she was always drunk and she's
18:23very hands-on. Uh there was one day, as
18:25a matter of fact, it was that same day
18:26that I talked to George by himself. She
18:29kept grabbing me by the arms to the
18:32point that I told her, I said, "Touch me
18:34one more time. We're going to have a
18:35problem. You know, I'm either going to
18:37contact the police or whatever we need
18:38to do, but you can't keep crapping on
18:40me." I had asked her several times to
18:41quit touching me.
18:43>> And because of that, she would do the
18:44same thing to Jean, and Jean didn't like
18:46it. Right.
18:47>> So, um
18:50you know, he that's what he was
18:51explaining to me is she was always the
18:54touchy one, the aggressive one. You
18:56know, not that she was hitting him, but
18:58she would be like in his face or she
19:00might, you know, push him or, you know,
19:02little things like that
19:04>> and she would block him from coming out
19:05of the room or whatnot and he would take
19:07her and move her.
19:09>> You know what I mean? And just
19:10>> that's the way he had explained it to
19:12me,
19:12>> right? She has told me even literally to
19:15Monday, I've been told by her several
19:17occasions that he has drugged her around
19:18by the hair of her head.
19:20>> Um I've been, you know, told about by
19:24neighbors. Um I'm sorry I don't have it
19:26anymore, but at one point a tenant
19:28actually sent us a video clip via text
19:31>> of them two fighting and beating on each
19:33other out in the backyard.
19:35>> Um there was another complaint incident
19:37about a ladder being propped up to the
19:39wall.
19:42that George was using to climb over the
19:45wall to try to get back into his
19:47apartment, sneaking in and out. There
19:49was another night, sorry, I forgot to
19:51tell you about this, too. Uh, I got a
19:54call for one of my vacants in building
19:5524, uh, 4724, which is not their
19:58building. There was a tent set up on my
20:02vacant back porch,
20:04and it's apparently where George was
20:06sleeping for a couple of nights because
20:08she had him out of the house. I have
20:10another tenant here who may or may not
20:13speak to you. I'm not sure. Um,
20:15>> for that reason, I don't want to give
20:16you her name just yet without talking to
20:18her, but
20:19>> George and her fighting that the
20:22different evening had actually wandered
20:23into her home,
20:25>> he was so drunk and had no idea where he
20:27was. And when she came home, luckily her
20:29kids were not there because she's a
20:30single mother with three kids. George
20:32was actually upstairs in her house
20:34hollering and looking for Sarah,
20:35thinking he was in his apartment.
20:38>> So, We've had some incidences with them
20:41in that aspect, but nothing has ever
20:43been um
20:46so bad that, you know, I didn't feel
20:48that we could resolve the problem. And
20:50like I said, we haven't had any issues
20:51since May of last year. No complaints,
20:53no nothing until this. So, we thought,
20:55hey, they're doing great. You know,
20:56maybe they fixed the problems. I mean,
20:59>> has she come to you since May of any of
21:02any issues?
21:03>> No, not one time.
21:06Friends and family also witnessed
21:07multiple fights between the couple,
21:09leading to them encouraging both parties
21:11to end it and leave each other. On
21:12multiple instances, Jorge would leave
21:14the apartment for the night and crash at
21:16his parents house. But the next day,
21:18Sarah would immediately come over and
21:19pick him up, and they would act like
21:21nothing had happened. Their immediate
21:22neighbor, Elijah Walker, spoke to the
21:25police and press about how much the pair
21:27argued and how at one point he found
21:29Sarah asleep on his back porch. She had
21:32been locked out of the house by Jorge
21:33and in her drunken stouper crashed on
21:35his back porch thinking it was his.
21:38About a year into their relationship,
21:39while Sarah was still technically with
21:41Brian, Sarah went out with Jorge to a
21:43bar. After about an hour, Sarah
21:45approached another man at the bar and
21:47asked to bum a cigarette. According to
21:49Sarah, Jorge became agitated upon seeing
21:51Sarah talk to another man and promptly
21:54left the bar. Later that night, when
21:56they were both back home, Sarah claimed
21:58that Jorge grabbed her by the hair and
22:00then dragged her up the stairs. She also
22:02stated that he kicked her in the eye.
22:03Notably, according to the police
22:05records, she wasn't able to recall how
22:07she came to be on the ground for him to
22:09grab her by the hair and begin to drag
22:11her, but did have multiple red marks
22:13around her face, coinciding with her
22:15statements. According to Jorge, Sarah
22:17had been the one who attacked him. Jorge
22:19told the police that after arriving home
22:21from the bar, they argued like Sarah had
22:23stated, but she lunged at him and began
22:25to strangle him. He had been sitting on
22:27the stairs at the time and tried to push
22:29her off of him, kicking her in the head
22:31in the process. Like Sarah, he had marks
22:33around his neck that indicated he was
22:35telling the truth about being strangled.
22:37However, neither party would sign a
22:39statement with the police, and both
22:41denied medical treatment. The police,
22:43unable to determine who had been the
22:44primary aggressor due to the injuries
22:47being on both parties, arrested them
22:49both, releasing them the next day after
22:51they both sobered up. In 2019, Boon
22:54called the cops on Torres and stated
22:56that he had once again gotten upset with
22:58her speaking to another man and while
23:00she slept, threw her off of the bed and
23:02began to assault her. He was immediately
23:04arrested and a no contact order was put
23:06in place. But their relationship
23:08continued on. Oh, thank God. with her
23:10actively going to each of his court
23:12dates and not respecting her own
23:14restraining order. Eventually, Boon
23:16would weaponize a restraining order
23:18against Torres in an argument. Though
23:19they had stayed in a relationship, she
23:21had come to his court dates and she in
23:23no way was respecting the restraining
23:25order. She called the cops on Torres one
23:28night when he, according to the police
23:30record, came into the apartment and took
23:32her credit card. Originally, she claimed
23:34he broke in and stole the card, but
23:36later she stated she had let him into
23:38the home to get it. He was later
23:40arrested and returned to jail where he
23:42was sentenced to Alcoholics Anonymous
23:44and Anger Management. Even still, the
23:46couple stayed together. Torres's family
23:49hated Boon and according to her,
23:51believed that the relationship would
23:53kill him. They believed because she
23:55would instigate fights with him,
23:56striking him until he defended himself
23:58against her and then called the cops,
24:00stating that he had started the fight
24:02and assaulted her for virtually no
24:03reason. They called her a quote white
24:06dragon. And after witnessing her start
24:08multiple fights with him, they stopped
24:09allowing her to come to their homes. And
24:11unfortunately for Jorge, his family's
24:13assessment would be proven correct.
24:17On the evening of February 23rd, 2020,
24:21everything had been going normally for
24:23Sarah and Jorge. According to Sarah,
24:26they spent the night drinking wine and
24:28doing a puzzle in their living room.
24:30However, while drinking, they got the
24:32idea to start playing hideand seek in
24:34the apartment. During the game, Sarah
24:36saw a small suitcase in the living room,
24:39which was usually in a closet, and joked
24:41to Jorge that it would be funny if he
24:43got into it, at which point Jorge
24:46willingly got into the case. Sarah then
24:48zipped it up almost all the way using a
24:51small paper clip because the zipper was
24:53broken. She made sure to leave a small
24:55opening big enough for two fingers to
24:57reach out of the bag so that Jorge could
24:59get himself out and breathe. Jorge and
25:02Sarah laughed for a while until Sarah
25:05got tired and decided to go lay down in
25:07her bed upstairs. Still a bit drunk, she
25:10passed out and believed that Jorge would
25:12join her when he got himself out. The
25:14next morning, she would wake up at 11:00
25:16a.m. to an empty room and assumed that
25:19Jorge had simply woken up before and was
25:22downstairs on his laptop. She would stay
25:24in bed for about an hour, but eventually
25:27she would get up after realizing the
25:29home was uncharacteristically quiet. It
25:31was when she went into the living room
25:33and saw the suitcase still zipped up and
25:35on the floor that she remembered putting
25:38him in it. She quickly rushed to the
25:40case and unzipped it and was greeted
25:42with the long dead body of Jorge Torres
25:45Jr. She removed the body from the
25:47suitcase and put him on the floor to
25:48check for any signs of life. When she
25:50saw there were none, instead of doing
25:52the normal thing and calling the police,
25:54she called her ex-husband, Brian. Brian
25:57was used to Sarah calling at all hours
25:59of the night and day and talked to her a
26:01couple of days before when she requested
26:03he send her more money because her bank
26:06account was in the negative. He had been
26:08calling her since 10:00 a.m. that
26:09morning as it was her day to pick up and
26:12host their son, and he figured that she
26:14was calling either to say she wouldn't
26:16be taking him that day or she was on her
26:18way. He had no way of knowing the
26:20horrific scene she would try to entangle
26:23him in.
26:23>> Location of the emergency,
26:264748 France Court, apartment 3.
26:29>> 4748. What's the street name?
26:32>> France. F R A N T.
26:36>> And the apartment number
26:38>> three.
26:39>> Is this a police or medical?
26:42>> My boyfriend is dead.
26:46>> You can send the line for the fire
26:47department. You will not hang up.
27:05>> Fire rescue. Location. Emergency.
27:07>> That's clear.
27:08>> 4748
27:10France Lane, apartment 3,
27:12>> France Court.
27:15France Court.
27:17>> Yes.
27:18>> Okay. Is this near Mcken Drive?
27:21>> I don't know where that is.
27:26>> Okay. Okay.
27:27>> Gilwood Park Apartments.
27:31>> Okay. 4748 France. Correct.
27:33>> Correct.
27:34>> All right. Correct. Now, tell me exactly
27:36what happened there.
27:37>> Uh, my boyfriend and I were playing last
27:39night and
27:41>> I put him in a case and we were playing
27:43and
27:44>> Okay. like kind of hide and seek kind of
27:46thing. So, I fell asleep and I woke up
27:49and he was dead in the suitcase. So, I
27:51don't know what happened. I don't know
27:53what happened.
27:55>> Okay. What's the apartment number?
27:57>> Three.
27:59>> I don't know.
27:59>> Apartment three.
28:01>> Yes. Like he has like blood coming out
28:03of his mouth and I don't know like he
28:04had like an
28:07>> Right. Okay. All right. Okay. Listen.
28:08We're getting 13.
28:10>> All right. Okay. Okay.
28:12>> Okay. 40. Yeah. Man, listen. We're on
28:14our way out there. You're at 407716
28:17864 84. Okay. Is he hanging from
28:19somewhere or what, ma'am?
28:20>> No, I pulled him out of the suitcase. I
28:23tried giving him CPR.
28:26>> Okay. So, he was in a suitcase.
28:29>> Yes. And I fell asleep.
28:32>> Okay. How old is the How old man? 42
28:36year old male.
28:37>> All right. Okay. Where where can I help
28:39out there? Sheriff anybody out there?
28:41>> Yes, sir. I'm sorry.
28:43Yeah. Okay. All right. Listen to me.
28:45Okay. That that you see I just need to
28:46confirm this. I understand. I just need
28:49to confirm this. Is he Is he awake at
28:51all? Is he conscious at all?
28:52>> No. Be careful.
28:53>> Is he right? Is he breathing?
28:55>> No.
28:56>> All right. I need you to get I need you
28:58to get him on the floor back for me.
29:00Okay.
29:01>> I did. I did. I tried giving him CPR.
29:03>> All right.
29:05>> I tried giving him CPR.
29:07>> Yeah. Okay.
29:08>> Nothing happened. He's purple.
29:10>> Okay. Listen to me. Is it a fair letter?
29:11But I need you to get it for me. Okay.
29:13>> What is it?
29:14>> You have an AED. You have an AED
29:15available?
29:16>> No.
29:17>> All right. You right by him now.
29:19>> I'm sorry.
29:20>> You are you right by him now?
29:22>> Yes.
29:23>> Okay. Okay. Lay him flat. Okay. Ma'am.
29:25Ma'am. Ma'am, listen. So, listen. Is he
29:28cold and stiff?
29:29>> Yes.
29:31>> Okay.
29:31>> Well, he's not necessarily cold, but
29:33he's stiff.
29:34>> Right. Okay.
29:35>> All right. Listen to me. I listen.
29:37Listen to me. I want you to lay him flat
29:38on his back for me on the floor. Okay.
29:40>> Removing the pillows. Okay.
29:41>> Yes, I did.
29:42>> All right. Okay.
29:43>> He's stiff and purple.
29:45>> Right. Okay. Listen. Okay, man. That's
29:46fine. We're still going to compression
29:48on him. Okay. All right. Place the heel
29:51of your hand on his breast bone. Right
29:52in the center of the chest. Right
29:53between the nipples.
29:54>> Yes.
29:55>> Put your other hand on top of that hand.
29:56>> Baby, I'm telling you, just looking at
29:59him.
30:00>> Okay.
30:02>> Please. Okay. He just gurgled.
30:05>> Okay. Okay. Listen to me. All right. I
30:08want to play I want you to place the
30:09heel of your hand.
30:10>> Okay. Right between right between his
30:12chest. Right between his breast bones.
30:13Put your other hand Put your other hand
30:15on top of that hand.
30:16>> We want we want to pump his chest to me
30:18hard and fast. Going to do this twice
30:20per second.
30:23>> I'm doing it again.
30:24>> Okay. No. No. Just keep on pumping.
30:26That's all you need to do for me. Keep
30:28on pumping his chest for me. That's I
30:30don't need you to stop and talk or
30:31anything. I just want you to count out
30:33loud for me. Okay.
30:35>> One, two, three.
30:374 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 This is
30:48This is
30:50>> Okay, ma'am. Just keep on pumping his
30:52chest. That's all you need to do for me.
30:53Okay.
30:54>> Yes. Come on. Please hurry up.
30:57>> Okay, ma'am. Ma'am, they're driving here
30:58as fast as they can. Okay. Don't stop to
31:00say hurry up. Just keep on pumping and
31:01counting.
31:02>> I'm still doing it while I'm pumping
31:03you. Okay.
31:04>> Okay.
31:07Still doing it.
31:08>> All right, just keep just continue
31:09pumping. Just count on our second count
31:10with you.
31:121 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16
31:2517 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29
31:3830 31 32 Sweeper.
31:42>> Okay, man. They're getting there as fast
31:43as I can. Okay.
31:45>> He's deaf and he's purple.
31:48>> Okay. Pump in his chest for me, ma'am.
31:51>> I'm still doing it. Okay.
31:56Still doing it.
31:58>> Right. Okay. That's fine. Just you job.
32:00Just keep on doing it for me. That's all
32:02right. They're getting there as fast as
32:03they can along with the sheriff's office
32:04also. Okay.
32:10Keep on pumping, ma'am. One, two, three,
32:14four. One, two, three, four. One, two,
32:19three, four. Keep on pumping for me,
32:21ma'am.
32:21>> I'm doing it. I'm doing it. Believe me,
32:22I'm doing it. Okay.
32:29>> All right. I understand.
32:32>> All right. Just keep on pumping for me.
32:34Okay. Okay,
32:39>> I need to hurry.
32:40>> Right. Okay.
32:42>> Horrible. This is horrific.
32:47>> What happened?
32:50>> Like, what happened?
32:53>> Okay, ma'am. Just keep on pumping the
32:54chest for me. Okay.
32:55>> They're they're they're in the parking
32:57lot. They should be up there shortly.
32:58Okay.
33:04I'm still doing it. Okay.
33:06>> Right. Okay. Good.
33:09>> And you found him in a suitcase, you
33:10said.
33:11>> Yes. We were playing hide and seek last
33:14night. I fell asleep.
33:17I think they're here.
33:19>> All right. Just keep on popping the
33:20chest until they take over.
33:21>> I am. I am.
33:22>> Okay.
33:28I am
33:29>> okay.
33:37>> I am.
33:38>> Okay.
33:41>> Open. Come in.
33:44>> Can I stop coming now?
33:47>> Let them take over for you. Okay.
33:53>> What was the last time anybody saw him?
33:55The last time.
33:57hide and seek.
34:08>> Hello, ma'am.
34:13>> So, we're there obviously.
34:20>> No, not that I know of.
34:29Hello.
34:32>> Hey, ma'am. The iPod is going to take
34:34care of you now. Okay.
34:36Okay. So, we'll see you there.
34:38>> All righty.
34:39Oh, man. We still there?
34:43>> Hello.
34:51The following is the police body cam
34:53footage taken February 24th, 2020.
34:58>> Who pronounced
35:00she did?
35:00>> Oh, right there.
35:05>> Did you call it?
35:07>> What time did you call?
35:08>> I got a time for
35:13>> Hello there. Okay.
35:16>> You live here?
35:17>> Yes.
35:17>> Okay. I'll talk to you. We got to get
35:19some information from the fire
35:20department.
35:21Probably
35:22>> the property manager. I don't know if I
35:23should go tell him really quick or just
35:25so he knows what's going on.
35:26>> Where's he at?
35:28>> He walked that way.
35:28>> Oh, don't worry about that. We'll take
35:30care of that for you. Okay.
35:39>> I had a cigarette for you. Okay. second.
35:42Okay.
35:43>> I really need something to drink.
35:45>> Okay.
35:46>> I got my Dr. Pepper on the counter.
35:47>> Okay. We'll take care of you. Give me
35:48one second.
35:51>> Sarah just found and performed CPR on
35:53her dead boyfriend, a man that she
35:55stated that she loved. His death,
35:57according to her story so far, was a
36:00tragic accident that occurred because
36:02she drank too much the night before.
36:04However, she is incredibly calm and put
36:06together. She is concerned about telling
36:08her property manager what happened. She
36:10is thirsty and wants a cigarette. She
36:13tells the police officer, a person who
36:15was there to talk to her about how she
36:17accidentally killed her boyfriend. And
36:20she is more concerned that her Dr.
36:22Pepper is on the counter. This behavior
36:24is incredibly unnatural. Usually in
36:26times of high stress and mental anguish,
36:28you would see someone either entirely
36:30detach emotionally, to which they would
36:33come across completely stoic, or you
36:35would see them be visibly distressed.
36:37But Sarah is neither. She is calm,
36:40collected, and a bit annoyed that the
36:42police won't let her go in and get her
36:44drink from inside.
36:55Put the time.
37:00>> That's the time you called it. Okay,
37:01perfect.
37:04>> We can't go back inside.
37:05>> What's going on? What? Who is he to you?
37:07Boyfriend.
37:07>> Yes. For like three and a half years.
37:09>> What happened?
37:10>> He and I we drank last night.
37:12>> Imagine if a person you loved and dated
37:14for 3 years died suddenly. This is a
37:17person you would have obviously entwined
37:19your life with and saw a future with and
37:22one day they die completely out of the
37:25blue in a tragic accident. Now imagine
37:27it's your fault. The deluge of emotion
37:29you would be feeling would be immense
37:31and completely overwhelming. But when
37:33recounting how long they had been
37:35together and how he died, Sarah is
37:37annoyed. She adopts what I can only
37:39describe as a snotty tone of voice
37:41towards the officer as if it's stupid
37:44that she has to explain herself again.
37:46This is completely unnatural and not the
37:48way one would behave given the
37:50circumstances.
37:51>> Yeah, you can't.
37:52>> Um, what's going on?
37:54>> I just got out here, so fill me in.
37:55>> No problem.
37:56>> We're putting a puzzle together. We've
37:58been doing some artwork together.
37:59>> You were putting a puzzle together?
38:01>> Yes, we have a puzzle that we started in
38:02there.
38:03>> Okay.
38:03>> We've been doing art trying to take
38:05stuff off the wall to make new art put
38:07up there. Like having a good time with
38:08one another, but we're drinking. We had
38:10a bottle of wine last night.
38:11>> Okay.
38:12>> So, then it's like we decided to play
38:14hide and seek, right?
38:15>> Okay. So, he gets in the suitcase. Okay.
38:18>> Who is this guy?
38:19>> That's my ex-husband. My former husband.
38:21>> How did he live here with you guys?
38:22>> No, I called him over here.
38:24>> Okay. Okay.
38:25>> I didn't know what to do.
38:26>> Okay.
38:27>> I didn't know what to do.
38:28>> Okay.
38:28>> So, then he came over here.
38:30>> Here, let's talk in private. Okay.
38:31>> I called you guys.
38:34>> I tried getting I The problem is is I
38:38fell asleep.
38:39>> I fell asleep. When did you do CPR?
38:42>> This morning when I found it before you
38:44called.
38:44>> Yes.
38:461:00 right now. I tried I was awake, but
38:51I actually got out of the bed at like
38:5212:30ish, whatever. So, I came
38:54downstairs and I was like, "Oh,
38:56>> he's in the suitcase still
38:58>> and that's when I found him and I took
39:00him out and tried doing CPR and then I
39:02called him and then I called you guys.
39:03>> Did he get here before the fire
39:04department got here?"
39:05>> Who? Your husband.
39:06>> She is able to quickly express and drop
39:09emotion as she talks about her morning.
39:11Her voice gets shaky and high-pitched,
39:13which would lead most to believe that
39:15she is being overcome with emotion and
39:17guilt. But she drops it the moment the
39:20police officer asks if Brian arrived
39:22before the fire department. Let me play
39:24it one more time to showcase how quick
39:26the change is.
39:28>> He's in the suitcase still.
39:30>> That's when I found him and I took him
39:32out and tried doing CPR and then I
39:33called him and then I called you guys.
39:35>> Did he get here before the fire
39:36department got here? Who?
39:37>> Your husband. This is ridiculously
39:40unnatural and would no doubt stick out
39:42as a false display of emotion to the
39:44police officer.
39:47>> Okay. Where did he at?
39:48>> Uh right down the street.
39:49>> Okay. So, you were praying and who did
39:53>> I did but then I fell asleep.
39:56>> Okay. Okay. You okay? I don't I wasn't
39:58here. I'm just trying to figure out what
39:59happened.
40:00>> I fell asleep. So, I don't know if you
40:01suffocated or like had an aneurysm or a
40:04heart attack or what?
40:04>> What kind of medical conditions did you
40:06have?
40:07>> None that I know of. that you know of
40:09that medicine? No.
40:11>> No.
40:12>> All we had was a bottle of wine.
40:14Literally just a bottle of wine.
40:16>> Okay.
40:16>> Doing puzzle artwork. Then we decided to
40:18play hide and seek.
40:20>> That's all that happened.
40:21>> Okay. So, I don't know if he had a heart
40:23attack or what in there. Like, I don't
40:25know what happened.
40:26>> So, how long were you doing CPR on him
40:28prior to you calling 911? You tried that
40:30all morning?
40:31>> Yes. Okay.
40:32>> And then I called him while I was
40:34>> What time did you start? Probably a
40:36ballpark. Here, let me fill this deputy
40:39in. Okay.
40:39>> Please, may I have my Dr. Pepper? I am
40:41so mouth right now.
40:42>> Again, she is more concerned with
40:44getting back to her Dr. Pepper, a drink
40:46that she began drinking before she
40:48decided to remove Jorge from the
40:50suitcase he died in, than what is
40:52currently going on,
40:56>> ma'am. And you can't talk to him until
40:58we get down with Okay,
40:59>> just don't leave. Okay, Brian.
41:01>> Thank you, ma'am.
41:03>> Thank you.
41:04>> Lucas,
41:05>> I know. Do me a favor. Stand over there
41:08by that mark. One second.
41:15>> Just give us a second. Okay.
41:23>> I want you to sit down cuz I don't want
41:25you passing out. This is probably a lot
41:26for you to deal with, right?
41:30>> I can get you some water. Okay. Just I
41:32want you not on your seat cuz I don't
41:33want you passing out on me.
41:36I need water.
41:39>> Okay, I'll get some for you.
41:40>> You trying to put you on it?
41:49>> So, you've had a second to kind of
41:50collect yourself. Tell it to me again.
41:52You guys were playing last night,
41:53drinking a bottle of wine,
41:55>> putting puzzles together, doing artwork,
41:57>> puzzles, artwork.
41:58>> Had a bottle of wine, and then decided
41:59to play hide and seek.
42:00>> So, he
42:01>> What time was that? Do you remember?
42:03I mean, I know that I was in bed
42:05probably by like what 12:30.
42:08>> Okay.
42:08>> Well, I went upstairs at least and I
42:11fell asleep
42:13>> forgetting that he was in the
42:15>> playing the hide and go
42:16>> and at some point you put him in the
42:18suitcase.
42:18>> No, he got in the suitcase. So, he
42:20thought it would be funny to be put in
42:22the suitcase. So, I was like, "Okay,
42:23well, I'm going to joke with you and
42:25I'll zip you up, make him, you know,
42:26squirm a little bit, whatever it is."
42:28But then I fell asleep.
42:30>> I fell asleep.
42:31>> Where was suitcase? Right.
42:33>> Right down there. You zipped him in
42:35there. Thought he would he's funny. A
42:36little joke.
42:37>> It was We both were laughing about it
42:38and then I fell asleep.
42:40>> Where did you fall asleep at?
42:41>> Upstairs.
42:42>> In your bedroom.
42:43>> Yes.
42:43>> Okay.
42:44>> Totally forgetting that he was in the
42:45suitcase still.
42:46>> Okay.
42:47>> And then you came back downstairs
42:49>> this morning or this afternoon? Yes.
42:51When I got what time?
42:53>> 12:30ish.
42:55I was awake, but I totally forgot that
42:58he was in the suitcase.
43:00>> He can tell you there's a lot of
43:02things that I we have been going through
43:06jobs.
43:06>> Yeah, he did tell me all that good
43:08stuff. So,
43:09>> I just totally forgot.
43:11>> You began to do CPR on him?
43:12>> Yes.
43:13>> Yes. About time this morning to start
43:15doing that CPR?
43:16>> No, it was the afternoon. It was
43:17afternoon because I was awake. But then
43:19I finally decided to come downstairs at
43:21like 12:30ish,
43:23whatever it is. And I was like,
43:26I forgot he was in the suitcase and he
43:27wasn't moving. Nothing was happening. So
43:29I unzipped it, unzipped it, unzipped it,
43:30took him out and started doing CPR on
43:32him.
43:34>> He was on his way over here. I called
43:35you when he got here.
43:36>> Once he got here, you called that?
43:38>> Yes. Okay.
43:38>> And like air was coming out and he was
43:40gurgling, but
43:43>> I could tell by looking at him.
43:45>> But you knew how to do CPR, you doing
43:46that on your own?
43:47>> Yes.
43:47>> Okay.
43:48>> And then the person that was on the
43:49phone with me also, I counted with him
43:50doing
43:51>> And he's got no medical. He doesn't take
43:52any medications.
43:53>> I don't know. Like I don't know medical
43:55wise like what I know he doesn't take
43:56any medications whatsoever.
43:58Um, the only thing, like I said, I don't
44:00know if alcohol has anything to do with
44:02that, but we had a bottle of wine. Okay.
44:04All right. Here's I want you to sit back
44:06down because I don't want
44:07>> Can I have one more sip of water,
44:08please? Go ahead.
44:09>> Residential Audible
44:12Island.
44:13>> I'll do what I can to get you a cup
44:15because I don't want you to have to keep
44:16doing that.
44:17Maintain
44:30>> right here. Don't talk to the ex right
44:31now.
44:32>> Can I have a cigarette, please?
44:34>> Ma'am, I can't take anything out of the
44:35house.
44:36>> It's on the back porch.
44:37>> Nope. All of it. Secure. Okay. I'll try
44:39my best to get you what you need. Okay.
44:41Maybe one of these deputies has a pack
44:43from someone, you know. Sit down and
44:45I'll try and get you what you need.
44:46Okay,
44:46>> just cut, please.
44:47>> Okay. I don't want you on your feet.
44:50Hey, Sarah,
44:52you get enough water.
44:54Stand up, though.
44:55>> No, if you want to stay seated, don't I
44:57don't want you getting laded.
44:59>> So, remember I said the detectives were
45:00going to come out and talk to you and go
45:02from there. You know what I'm saying?
45:04They're here. They're going to ask you a
45:06few questions and then go from there.
45:07Okay. All right.
45:08>> All right, sir. My name's Chelsea. My
45:10partner Scott, um, to my understanding,
45:14you reside here? Yes.
45:16>> Okay. Is it just you? Um
45:20>> Okay.
45:21>> Um
45:22>> I have a nine-year-old
45:24with Brian former husband.
45:26>> Your former husband. Okay. Um but you
45:28reside here with George and then your
45:30son lives with you or lives there. It's
45:3250/50. Yeah. Okay. Um,
45:36>> so from what
45:39>> Rodriguez
45:40>> has told me um she explained
45:44um last night that you guys were
45:45drinking a bottle of wine.
45:48>> Um and around midnight um you decided
45:52you guys
45:53>> 12:30ish. Yeah.
45:54>> Okay.
45:55>> You guys decided to play hide and seek.
45:57>> Well, we were playing hide and seek and
45:59then [cough and clears throat]
46:00>> Was your son home at the time or Okay.
46:03No, with my
46:04>> with Brian.
46:05>> Okay.
46:06>> Um
46:08started to play stupid like that. Like
46:11>> we were puzzles together and we were
46:13doing artwork and seeing the puzzle that
46:15we finished in there and then the
46:17artwork and then decided to play hide
46:19and seek stupid.
46:21>> Okay.
46:21>> So he decided to get in the suitcase. So
46:25I thought it would be funny to and he
46:27was laughing about it too
46:29>> to dip him up in there. I go upstairs
46:32and fell asleep. So this morning when I
46:36this afternoon I actually got up out of
46:38the bed. I thought for sure he was
46:39downstairs on the laptop
46:42really quiet. But then I came downstairs
46:44and I'm like where is he? Like
46:48and then I that's when I found it.
46:51>> Okay. Um I don't know what happened.
46:55>> Jesus Christ.
46:57What happened to Jorge was incredibly
46:59obvious to those who were on the scene.
47:01Jorge had clearly suffocated in the
47:03suitcase he was trapped in. However,
47:05Sarah continuously tries to distance
47:07herself and the investigation away from
47:10the fact by stating, "I don't know what
47:12happened. I don't know if he had a heart
47:14attack or an aneurysm." She seemed
47:16entirely unable to process or consider
47:18the fact that this event was caused by
47:20her. And instead tries desperately to
47:23remove herself from potential
47:25responsibility. Sure, he died in the
47:27suitcase, but it was probably another
47:30medical event that just so happened to
47:31coincide with him being locked in a
47:34small piece of luggage.
47:35>> Okay. And then you weren't sure about if
47:37you woke up this morning.
47:39>> It was afternoon. I mean, I wasn't this
47:41afternoon,
47:42>> but I just didn't want to come
47:43downstairs. So, I just laid in the bed
47:45for a little while and then I eventually
47:47came downstairs about where he was and
47:49then I was like, "Oh my god, he's in
47:50this cage still." So, I pulled him out
47:52and I stretched him out and I started
47:54tried to do CPR upon him. I called you
47:57guys. Well, I called Brian.
47:58>> Okay.
47:59>> And then I
48:00>> as soon as he got here, which is 30
48:02seconds down the road,
48:04>> I called you back. Okay.
48:05>> And the person on the phone had me do
48:07the concussions
48:09and count with him and you guys shut up.
48:12>> Okay. And um
48:17so, as part of our investigation, we
48:19obviously have to go inside the house.
48:21We have to look at things. Are you okay
48:23with us going in the house and looking
48:24at things? Okay.
48:26>> Um
48:29>> Okay. Um
48:31>> and forensics. So, we have to have our
48:32forensics crime scene investigators come
48:34out.
48:35>> Are you also okay with them coming
48:36inside taking photographs and
48:38>> whatever you need to do.
48:39>> Okay.
48:40>> Can I ask is Brian I'm sorry, George. Is
48:43he diagnosed with any kind of medical
48:45history?
48:46>> Not that I know of. Not that I know of.
48:48I I don't know. I mean, he doesn't take
48:49drugs. I mean, We'll have a table bottle
48:52of wine here and there, but I don't
48:53know. Like,
48:55>> be my next question. So, you guys don't
48:57normally drink. You just drink once in a
48:58while or
48:59>> Well, I'm gonna say like Okay. I guess
49:02normal drinking is like we will have
49:05like a glass of wine or two like we'll
49:06have a cookie dinner
49:08and we'll play a board game with them
49:11here and there.
49:12>> But, I mean, it's not like
49:14>> a couple of beers a day. Well, but I
49:16don't
49:18like I don't understand though like for
49:20the little bit that we had like not
49:22having anything to do with this like I
49:24don't know if they had a heart attack or
49:25a stroke or an aneurysm or what happened
49:27to him. I don't know.
49:29>> And were you guys together all day
49:30yesterday?
49:31>> Yes.
49:32>> Okay. Here.
49:32>> Yes.
49:33>> Like you neither of you left the
49:34apartment yesterday.
49:36>> I think he drove up to the store to get
49:38cigarette.
49:39>> Okay.
49:40>> But I mean you can walk there. Does does
49:43he have any history?
49:45>> I know he doesn't now because you said
49:46he doesn't, but
49:47>> I don't know.
49:48>> As far as you've ever known him, you've
49:50never seen him?
49:51>> No.
49:52>> I mean, he's from Philadelphia and he he
49:55grew up in Philadelphia and then he went
49:56to Massachusetts and then from
49:58Massachusetts came down here. So, I
50:00don't really know
50:01>> like a whole lot of like medical history
50:04or
50:04>> How long have you guys been together?
50:06>> Um, almost four years. Like three and a
50:07half years.
50:08>> You guys been living here the whole
50:09time?
50:09>> Yes.
50:12He's never been to the doctor or to the
50:15hospital during that time.
50:17>> Um, he had he and his brother got into a
50:21really bad argument at one point and
50:23have facial reconstruction, but he had
50:26been in the hospital from that. And then
50:28I talked him into going to see like a
50:30regular physician get just like a
50:32regular like checkup thing.
50:34>> But there were no red flags.
50:36>> How long was that?
50:39The surgery or the doctor?
50:41>> Both. The surgery I think was at this
50:44point [clears throat]
50:46>> two years maybe two and a half years.
50:49>> The checkup was probably a good
50:56>> Okay.
50:57>> And the suitcase is still in there.
50:59>> Yep.
51:01>> Is it normally stored down there? Did
51:02you guys travel recently?
51:04>> No, he was going to start picking some
51:06of the
51:09donation
51:10>> in there. So that's why
51:12>> that's why it's out.
51:14>> Okay. You guys didn't recently travel
51:15somewhere or anything like that.
51:17>> After you zipped them up, did you move
51:19the bag around and bustle them in the
51:20hall or you just zip it up and walked
51:22away?
51:23>> Both were laughing about it, but I went
51:24upstairs and I fell asleep.
51:26>> Okay.
51:28But the What position was he in when you
51:30put him when he went into
51:33>> was he sitting on his rear end and his
51:35head up and he just kind of gets over?
51:36>> Okay. So like this is This was
51:40>> like this was his head and then right
51:42here and his feet were out.
51:43>> So he was laying on his side.
51:44>> Yes.
51:46>> You just closed the flap and zipped it
51:48around.
51:48>> Yes.
51:49>> Okay.
51:50>> And when we were playing
51:52>> I understand this. Okay.
51:53>> So he said that I needed to tell you
51:57guys about his family. Like who do I
51:59talk to about?
52:00>> We're going to do that once we once we
52:02walk through and see. Yeah. We're going
52:04to
52:05>> anywhere. We're going to be telling you
52:06like Yeah. This is going to be
52:07>> I'm afraid for my life.
52:09>> After causing the death of her
52:10boyfriend, Sarah immediately attempts to
52:13take the victim role in regards to the
52:15police by claiming she is now afraid for
52:18her life.
52:19>> I am afraid
52:20>> for my life.
52:22>> His family
52:25have never liked. I'm the blue white
52:28devil is what they call me.
52:30>> So they've never liked me. They've never
52:33taken me in. They've never accepted me.
52:35I'll put it that way.
52:36Have you called any of them?
52:38>> Um, we talked to his daughters
52:40yesterday.
52:41>> No, I mean like about this. Does anyone
52:43know? Okay.
52:44>> So, no one's going to know until we will
52:46be making that notification. So,
52:48>> they're going to kill me.
52:49>> Okay.
52:49>> They live local.
52:50>> Yes. They're down the road. They're
52:52going to kill me.
52:53>> Kids are going to kill me in
52:55Philadelphia. They're going to kill me.
52:58This was not intentional. Okay.
53:00>> And they're not going to understand
53:01that. They're not going to accept it.
53:04We're going to do a thorough
53:06investigation and we will we will take
53:08we will definitely
53:10>> make sure that you don't feel scared
53:12when we leave here. Okay.
53:15>> Immediately the officers would no doubt
53:17know there is something wrong with this
53:19statement. Sarah saying that Jorge's
53:21family doesn't like her because she is
53:23white and they have never accepted her
53:24because of that fact is not reason
53:27enough to believe that they would be
53:28physically violent towards her or harm
53:30her in any way. Just because the family
53:33of your partner doesn't like you doesn't
53:35mean you are in danger of being harmed
53:37by them. Sarah's continued statements
53:39that Jorge's family is incapable of
53:41understanding that what happened here
53:43isn't her fault and that they are
53:45dangerous people who would kill her
53:47because she is white would no doubt make
53:49them more suspicious of her.
53:51>> My nine-year-old
53:53>> Well, he's at school. He's with your
53:54husband.
53:55>> I know exhusband.
53:56>> Your husband said that or your
53:57ex-husband said he made arrangements to
53:58your nine-year-old picked up. Oh, okay.
54:04>> All right. We're going to go inside if
54:05that's okay.
54:05>> Yes, please. But can you guys just keep
54:06me posted so I know what's going on?
54:10>> All you have to do is get their
54:11attention if you if you have a question
54:13and you need to talk to us. He's
54:14standing right there. She'll be right
54:16here.
54:16>> Yeah. Okay. But will you guys tell me
54:18like So, you're telling me like
54:21you you won't call whoever it is without
54:24telling me, right? I mean, I have all
54:26their phone.
54:26>> We're not calling. We're not making
54:28phone calls. We're actually going to
54:29speak to them in person. We are going to
54:32Okay,
54:34>> it'll be [clears throat] later prior to
54:35us making any
54:36>> I'm not going to be here.
54:37>> They're going to kill me.
54:40>> We'll address all of that, okay, before
54:41we leave. Okay,
54:43>> this was
54:45>> okay.
54:51>> Thank you.
54:52>> If you're getting the sense that the
54:53police don't believe her and think she's
54:55being overdramatic, you would be right.
54:57Her continued insistence that his family
55:00was going to kill her and that they
55:01shouldn't tell them about his death
55:03without running it by her first is more
55:05than unusual. It was suspicious given
55:08the fact that most people over the age
55:10of 20 don't randomly decide to play
55:12hideand seek while drunk. The detectives
55:15already believe that Sarah had played a
55:17more deliberate role in Jorge's death.
55:20>> She wants to say something. She wants to
55:22talk. Come on.
55:32though or how?
55:35>> So that will we will not know the answer
55:38to that because we're not doctors. So
55:39what's going to happen is
55:42office and he'll have what's called an
55:44auto.
55:45>> That'll be first thing tomorrow morning.
55:47I'll know a lot hopefully a lot more
55:49tomorrow morning as far as him. Um but I
55:54cannot There's no way I could say
55:57how. Why? So, just by looking at him,
56:00I'm like, why is he purple?
56:02>> Out of all the things to ask. She asks
56:04why he was purple. Because he's dead,
56:07Sarah. That that's why. What else could
56:09that possibly mean?
56:11>> Oh, that's just that's normal. When
56:12someone passes away, it turns
56:18low.
56:23That's
56:28I'm like really scared. I want you guys
56:30to know that
56:32>> we have all these here. So while we're
56:34here, nothing's going to happen before
56:35we go and make any notifications. You'll
56:37have plenty of time to leave or do
56:41>> whatever you need to do. Okay, we can
56:44talk about that more like
56:48>> it's not going to be a surprise
56:49>> real quick and then
56:50>> but like I don't like this was totally
56:53like not intentional like that's what
56:59I'm scared about too like
57:04we we'll have all the answers we'll have
57:06a lot more answers tomorrow
57:11what you're seeing here common. This is
57:14us coming out. Yeah. We
57:16>> his age, no no no real medical history
57:19that we know
57:19>> I know of
57:20>> for him to have passed away. We come out
57:23in
57:25>> we come out and do an investigation.
57:26Medical examiner's office would be
57:28sending people out. This is what we do.
57:29If he was 75 years old and had a history
57:32of heart condition,
57:33>> we wouldn't be here.
57:35>> I don't know what his I don't know what
57:36it is
57:37>> exactly. And that's what we're here to
57:38find out. We're just here to get the
57:39answers. The answers that you want.
57:42family.
57:42>> I just really want to see my son and
57:44really need to see my son.
57:46>> I mean, I know I can't go anywhere, but
57:49>> So, do I just like sit out here and wait
57:51for you guys?
57:53>> Anybody else having to show up or
57:55everybody's here that needs to be here?
57:57>> Uh, my team's here that needs to be
58:00here. The medical examiners will show up
58:02when we call them, but we're not ready
58:03for them yet. So, they're going to take
58:05him. They're going to take the photos,
58:07take him, but that's towards the end of
58:09it. Um, and they'll be called well in
58:11advance when we're ready for them, but
58:12we're we're not ready for them at this
58:14point because then we won't be calling
58:15them quite yet.
58:17>> Okay. So, like I said, I got to go do
58:19some paperwork. Um, they're going to
58:20chat
58:22>> um with some people and then we're going
58:23to come back and and talk to you if
58:25you're okay with that.
58:26>> Um, so just give us a little bit more
58:28time. Like I said, I'm going to go and
58:31do that. And
58:32>> so, can you guys tell his family like
58:36today or after tomorrow? We have to
58:40>> we have to go
58:45>> once our investigation is pretty much
58:47complete here. We once we leave here we
58:49will be going to
58:50>> but again you'll know we're not going to
58:53just go and do it without you know
58:56talk to you prior to doing anything like
58:58that.
58:58>> But how I mean I understand what you
59:00guys and how you do it and you know so
59:03but like what do you just tell him? What
59:05do you tell his parents? Like what's the
59:07reason he passed away?
59:09>> We tell them what we know at that point.
59:10>> Yeah.
59:11>> You tell them
59:13>> and that we're going to be waiting for
59:15the autopsy results and I will get the
59:18autopsy in the morning and hopefully the
59:21doctor will be able to give me some of
59:22what they think and see.
59:24>> We'll get them their number. They can
59:26contact them, get it, you know.
59:28But yeah, they're going to they're going
59:29to know what we're here, what you know
59:31what we're investigating and that we're
59:34still we
59:35>> they're going to think I killed him.
59:37>> They always have said that. They've
59:39always always always have said that.
59:41>> Knowing the past history between Jorge
59:43and Sarah, it makes sense for his family
59:45to believe that Sarah would eventually
59:47lead to his death. Their relationship
59:49was volatile and they were both abusive
59:52towards each other. But in one instance,
59:54Orhee's own brother fought him after
59:56Sarah told him that he beat her up. So
59:59they were not entirely callous and
1:00:01uncaring towards her. They had witnessed
1:00:03the pair argue and attack each other.
1:00:05And they had recently seen Sarah
1:00:07weaponize the restraining order she had
1:00:09against Jorge in a manner that they
1:00:11believed to be malicious. Sarah
1:00:13attempting to rewrite the narrative as
1:00:15them being demonstrably unfair and
1:00:18aggressive people who hate her for her
1:00:20skin color is a blatant attempt at
1:00:22manipulation. One that you would think
1:00:24she would understand wouldn't work given
1:00:26that the police have access to her and
1:00:28Jorge's past records. But even still,
1:00:31Sarah attempts to tell them that any
1:00:33negative feelings they might have had
1:00:35towards her are unfair and that she is
1:00:37in danger.
1:00:40After speaking with Sarah and going over
1:00:42her version of events, the investigators
1:00:45hit a couple of sizable roadblocks. A
1:00:47number of things Sarah had stated didn't
1:00:50make sense. If Jorge and her were
1:00:52playing hideand seek, why would he have
1:00:53had her zip him up in the suitcase,
1:00:56seeing as it would defeat the purpose of
1:00:58the game? If she had only two glasses of
1:01:00wine that night, how would she have
1:01:02passed out and forgotten where Jorge was
1:01:04in a matter of seconds? Why had she
1:01:06called her ex-husband before calling the
1:01:08police? As more questions piled up, they
1:01:11continued to collect more evidence,
1:01:13starting with Boon's phone, which she
1:01:15shared with Torres. Multiple different
1:01:17outlets stated that she willingly gave
1:01:19up the phone when it was asked of her,
1:01:21but it was part of a search warrant,
1:01:23meaning she had little choice. And it
1:01:25was on that phone that they found one of
1:01:27the most disturbing pieces of evidence
1:01:29in any case I have covered. The
1:01:31following is the last known footage of
1:01:33Jorge Torres Jr. and was taken by Sarah
1:01:36Boone. Though the footage itself isn't
1:01:38graphic, it is distressing as it shows
1:01:41the haunting final moments of a man's
1:01:43life. If you do not wish to see the
1:01:45footage, please skip this part as it can
1:01:47be distressing to some. Your mental
1:01:49health is important and the only person
1:01:51who can protect it is you. Please be
1:01:53mindful before we continue. I will give
1:01:55you a couple seconds to skip.
1:02:09Sarah,
1:02:17>> for everything you've done to me.
1:02:18>> Sarah,
1:02:19>> for everything you've done to me.
1:02:22>> Sarah,
1:02:23>> [ __ ] you,
1:02:26[laughter]
1:02:27>> Sarah.
1:02:28>> [ __ ] you,
1:02:29>> Sarah.
1:02:31Stupid
1:02:33>> Sarah.
1:02:35>> That's my name. Don't wear it up.
1:02:42>> I can't [ __ ] breathe, babe.
1:02:44Seriously.
1:02:45>> Yeah, that's when you do when you trick
1:02:47me.
1:02:48>> Sarah.
1:02:53Sarah.
1:02:59Sarah.
1:03:06Sarah, I can't breathe. Babe,
1:03:09>> that's on you,
1:03:10>> Sarah. I can't breathe.
1:03:13>> It's on you,
1:03:14>> Sarah.
1:03:20Real handsome.
1:03:22might want to give me for it extra
1:03:28cuz I got this
1:03:29>> Sarah
1:03:31>> regular.
1:03:38Sarah, I can't I can't breathe, babe.
1:03:42>> Oh,
1:03:44that's what I feel like when you string
1:03:45on me.
1:03:46>> Sarah,
1:03:48[ __ ] you. I can breathe, Sarah.
1:03:51>> Yeah.
1:03:55You should probably shut the [ __ ] up.
1:04:04>> In Sarah's original statement, she
1:04:06talked about how Jorge and her joked
1:04:09while he was in the suitcase, how they
1:04:11laughed at the absurd situation and how
1:04:13it had been nothing but fun to them
1:04:15both. But this was clearly not the case.
1:04:18Sarah had locked her boyfriend up in a
1:04:20small container and taunted him, telling
1:04:22him to shut the [ __ ] up when he said he
1:04:24couldn't breathe and even appeared to
1:04:26knock the luggage over. Whatever had
1:04:28occurred that night, it hadn't been the
1:04:30unfortunate accident that Sarah had
1:04:32claimed. With this piece of evidence, as
1:04:34well as statements from her ex-husband,
1:04:37landlord, and the Torres family, the
1:04:39police brought in Sarah the next day for
1:04:41further questioning.
1:04:47Let us know at any time you need more.
1:04:49Okay.
1:04:50>> I'm going to have you sit the green
1:04:52chair that doesn't move.
1:04:59>> Appreciate you coming in.
1:05:01>> Yes, ma'am. Can I I want to ask you
1:05:03about these whenever we have a moment.
1:05:05>> Sure.
1:05:06>> At the beginning of the interview, Sarah
1:05:08has absolutely no idea they have found
1:05:11the videos that were on her phone or
1:05:13that they have any evidence against her.
1:05:15The two investigators will continue to
1:05:17have a cordial tone with her to appease
1:05:19her ego and keep her guard down. That
1:05:21way, they can gather as much information
1:05:23as possible from her. It's pertinent
1:05:25that they keep Sarah at ease and
1:05:27comfortable for as long as possible, as
1:05:29everything she is saying, and each new
1:05:31lie she tells can be used against her
1:05:34later on.
1:05:34>> Um, so obviously,
1:05:38um, he received his autopsy. So, I'm
1:05:41going to read you your rights again
1:05:42because I we have to talk about that and
1:05:45since I'm talking about the incident, we
1:05:48just have to do it just like we did
1:05:49yesterday.
1:05:50>> Just like we did yesterday. Remember I
1:05:51read you the rights your rights? Yeah.
1:05:53So, the exact same thing, but since I'm
1:05:54asking you follow-up questions, I need
1:05:56to read them to you. Okay.
1:05:57>> Sure.
1:05:58>> All right. So, you have the right to
1:06:00remain silent. Anything you say may be
1:06:02used against you in court. You have the
1:06:03right to talk to a lawyer before and
1:06:05during questioning without charge. If
1:06:06you cannot afford a lawyer and want one,
1:06:08one can be provided for you before
1:06:10questioning without charge. Has anyone
1:06:12threatened you or promised you anything
1:06:13to get you to talk to me?
1:06:14>> No.
1:06:14>> And do you understand what I just read
1:06:16you?
1:06:16>> Yes. Perfect. Okay. So, this morning we
1:06:20went to his autop
1:06:22um and we were informed of some injuries
1:06:27that he has um by the doctor. So, I want
1:06:33>> um so he's got
1:06:35[cough]
1:06:36scratch marks to his back. [snorts]
1:06:38>> I know what that's from.
1:06:40>> Okay. And um it's called a contusion. Do
1:06:44you know what a contusion is? So like
1:06:46basically you're getting hit and then
1:06:48you know you you get a mark from it.
1:06:50You'll get bruising
1:06:51>> like some someone hit you or something
1:06:53like that. It's called a a contusion. So
1:06:56he had some injuries to his left
1:06:58shoulder. Um he had
1:07:02um he had a cut near his like lip. We
1:07:04could see we could see his um his mouth
1:07:07was a little
1:07:08>> I haven't laid a hand on him.
1:07:10>> Okay. I [cough] also too I he fell off
1:07:13my son's bike.
1:07:14>> Okay.
1:07:15>> So I don't know. And he's notorious for
1:07:17running into the wall or the hall tree.
1:07:20So I
1:07:21>> Okay. What about the scratches?
1:07:26>> Cuz there's also sex. Yes.
1:07:29>> Okay. Cuz there's also like a like a
1:07:32scratch on like the back of his neck
1:07:34like kind of like going but it's like
1:07:36going straight across.
1:07:38>> I have no idea what that's from.
1:07:40>> And they're all recent. Like they they
1:07:42they occurred recently. It wasn't
1:07:44something that occurred post or that
1:07:46occurred a week ago or two days ago, 3
1:07:47days ago. They definitely occurred, you
1:07:49know, the night leading up to when he
1:07:51was in all honesty. I've already
1:07:53explained on this channel that when
1:07:54somebody makes it a point to punctuate a
1:07:57sentence with the phrase in all honesty,
1:07:59truly, or honestly, that indicates
1:08:02deception. They are trying to point to
1:08:04their honesty when they're being
1:08:05dishonest. Although that is not always
1:08:07the case in these high stress
1:08:09situations, it tends to be a red flag.
1:08:12Sarah is put on the spot and in order to
1:08:14try and explain away the injuries that
1:08:16Jorge had on his body, she says he is
1:08:19infamous for running into walls and that
1:08:21he recently fell off of her child's
1:08:23bike. Both of these things are
1:08:24completely far-fetched and her
1:08:26overexaggerated body movements punctuate
1:08:29her lies. By this time, they had already
1:08:31spoken to Brian, her ex-husband,
1:08:33multiple times over, and he had
1:08:35indicated that when Sarah would attack
1:08:37him, she would come at him with her
1:08:39fingernails. He told police he was left
1:08:42with scratches on his face, neck, arms,
1:08:44and torso. And they are more than aware
1:08:47that the scratches left on his back were
1:08:49not from sex. Again, the police will not
1:08:52push her on how ridiculous these
1:08:54assertions are, especially the one about
1:08:56him running into the wall so hard he
1:08:58dislocated his shoulder and simply
1:09:00didn't notice. Because they are factf
1:09:02finding. Pay attention to her
1:09:04overexpression when attempting to look
1:09:06confused or concerned. She has a
1:09:08tendency to bulge out her eyes to look
1:09:10bewildered but fails each time.
1:09:13>> All honesty, we have not gotten into it.
1:09:16>> Okay.
1:09:16>> That's why like the only thing I thought
1:09:18you guys were going to ask me about
1:09:20which I was going to be honest with you
1:09:21anyway are the scratch marks when it's
1:09:22back.
1:09:23>> Mhm.
1:09:23>> Everything else I have no idea what it
1:09:25is. No idea what it is. Nonetheless,
1:09:29I've had my son over the house too. So
1:09:32>> Well, your son was there when when was
1:09:34he last there?
1:09:35>> Oh gosh. My understanding he was there
1:09:38like last Tuesday.
1:09:40>> Last I don't know if it was Tuesday,
1:09:43but yes, he was there last week. So,
1:09:45>> well, we're talking about Sunday.
1:09:47>> We're make we're just talking about what
1:09:48occurred Sunday
1:09:49>> cuz like I said, the injuries are
1:09:52they occurred within that time period.
1:09:54>> So, you're talking about day before
1:09:55yesterday.
1:09:57>> Sunday leading into Monday. You called
1:09:59us yesterday at 1. So, but the incident
1:10:02you guys were painting and stuff the
1:10:03night prior,
1:10:04>> correct? So, we're talking about Sunday
1:10:07and then
1:10:07>> into thoroughly confused because we had
1:10:11a good time sitting on the back porch
1:10:14having wine and smoking a couple of
1:10:16cigarettes and then decided to go inside
1:10:17and literally paint, do puzzles
1:10:20>> and play
1:10:22>> and listen to music. That's why
1:10:25nobody got out of sorts. That this is
1:10:27what's mindblowing to me. Like I don't
1:10:30>> Okay,
1:10:30>> I have no clue. Nobody laid a hand on
1:10:33anybody. He also had um like on the left
1:10:38side of his forehead he had basically
1:10:41bruising
1:10:42um and on on like his head and skull.
1:10:47>> I have no idea.
1:10:48>> As if something hit him.
1:10:50>> I consider not touched him.
1:10:54>> I have not touched him. I have not
1:10:56touched him.
1:10:57>> And how would you get those injuries?
1:10:58>> Tell me and we'll both know.
1:11:01I have not touched him. Yesterday when
1:11:04we took photographs of your overall body
1:11:08um and they did the bugle swabs, did
1:11:09they go under your fingernails?
1:11:11>> No.
1:11:12>> Okay. Are you willing to let us
1:11:14absolutely
1:11:14>> swab underneath your fingernails? Go for
1:11:16it.
1:11:18>> Okay. I have no idea. And I don't want
1:11:21to seem out of sorts, but I have no
1:11:24idea. We had a good day.
1:11:27>> It was a good day. We've had good days
1:11:30lately. Even considering everything
1:11:31that's going on with our jobs and life
1:11:33in general and ex-wives and everything,
1:11:36>> it's been good. Like, I don't even know
1:11:38where this is coming from.
1:11:41>> Yeah. I think the last physical was
1:11:43probably you said I think what a month
1:11:45ago
1:11:46>> where you got the injury,
1:11:48>> right? You said that was
1:11:50>> a few weeks give or take. Yeah.
1:11:51>> A few weeks. That was the last like
1:11:53physical altercation between the two of
1:11:55you. Um, you said a month ago we hit you
1:11:58with a curtain rod.
1:11:59>> Yeah, with a curtain rod. That's why I
1:12:00can't believe you guys didn't take that
1:12:01either.
1:12:05>> Like we've been good. I don't know if
1:12:07like it's since the last time he got out
1:12:09of jail. Like we've been good and he's
1:12:12been having his classes
1:12:14>> and his seeing his probation officer
1:12:16who's amazing.
1:12:18>> So,
1:12:18>> what do you mean by good? What's your
1:12:20definition of good?
1:12:22>> The probation officer?
1:12:23>> Oh, no. You said you guys have been
1:12:24good. What's your definition?
1:12:25>> I've been good.
1:12:26>> Throughout the beginning of the
1:12:27interview, Sarah has subconsciously used
1:12:30we when talking about the relationship.
1:12:33Her constantly stating we've been good
1:12:35is her admitting unconsciously that both
1:12:38her and Jorge need to work on themselves
1:12:40in the relationship and he was not the
1:12:42sole aggressor. But hearing it back from
1:12:45the male detective, she realizes her
1:12:47mistake and instead pins the blame
1:12:50solely on the man she killed.
1:12:52>> I don't think you all understand. He
1:12:54comes at me all the time. He comes at
1:12:56me. So, it's either I flee or try to go
1:13:01upstairs and go to sleep. That's usually
1:13:03what it is. And I don't know if you
1:13:04talked to Brian about any of that, but
1:13:06most of the time when I flee, I go over
1:13:08there. So,
1:13:11right. But you're saying that you guys
1:13:12have been good. And when I asked you
1:13:14yesterday, there hasn't The last
1:13:16incident that you could remember was the
1:13:18curtain red incident, which you said was
1:13:19a month ago. So,
1:13:20>> give or take.
1:13:21>> Right. So, what do you mean by he comes
1:13:23after you? Like,
1:13:24>> he gets
1:13:26belligerently drunk.
1:13:28>> Like, I don't know if you all have
1:13:29looked through my phone yet and seen any
1:13:31of the pictures and the videos that I
1:13:33have taken.
1:13:34>> And the at one point I started
1:13:37documenting everything.
1:13:38>> Okay.
1:13:39>> So, you all will see in my pictures,
1:13:43bloody fingers, split foreheads, he
1:13:46split my nose. I've got this,
1:13:48>> right?
1:13:49>> I don't know. Brian told you about it
1:13:50where I had to have almost what I had
1:13:52one really bad surgery but then it got
1:13:54really really really really bad where I
1:13:56had to go like four or five more times
1:13:58afterwards for them to tend to it from
1:13:59him poking me in the back of the leg.
1:14:01>> Right.
1:14:02>> So it's
1:14:03>> then why are you still with him?
1:14:05>> Everybody asks me that when I tell you
1:14:07guys this
1:14:10I really love him. Like I do. And I feel
1:14:14like I can help him. like I feel like I
1:14:17could help him, which I did because he's
1:14:18come a really he came a really long way
1:14:21from where he was in Philadelphia to
1:14:23moving back to here and to dealing with
1:14:25everything else that he's been dealing
1:14:26with.
1:14:27>> I've really helped him. I've bailed him
1:14:30out of jail what, three times. I've gone
1:14:32to every single hearing and every single
1:14:34arignment, everything that I did for
1:14:35him.
1:14:36>> I paused here to take note of what she
1:14:38had said. her talking about being truly
1:14:41in love with him, going to every single
1:14:43court date for him and helping him is
1:14:45well and good. However, while she is
1:14:47staying with him and going to these
1:14:49court dates, she has a no contact order
1:14:52on him, meaning that despite her
1:14:53willingness to see him, he would be
1:14:55breaking the law. According to his
1:14:57family, she weaponized this against him
1:14:59and would ask him to come see her. And
1:15:02when he would do something she didn't
1:15:03like, she would call the cops to get him
1:15:05arrested. While battered and abused
1:15:07partners do have an extremely difficult
1:15:10time leaving their abuser, in this
1:15:12instance, both Jorge and Sarah were
1:15:14mutually abusive to each other. Gone to
1:15:17see all his public defenders go to the
1:15:19state. I've gone to the state. I I did
1:15:21everything for him because I'm trying to
1:15:22help him because I have I had hope in
1:15:25him and he was trying. He was really
1:15:29trying just and then he starts to think
1:15:32about things and it just I think he gets
1:15:34overwhelmed and then it's like the next
1:15:36thing I know he's drinking so it's like
1:15:38oh man I know where this is going to go
1:15:41so I'm going to go upstairs and read a
1:15:42book or I'm going to go for a bike ride
1:15:44or I'm going to do something else or I
1:15:46don't WANT TO DRINK I DON'T WANT to
1:15:48drink the occasional wine whatever or if
1:15:52it's a weekend that's when you you have
1:15:55a good time you don't have to wake up
1:15:57the next Okay, I have to wake up the
1:15:59next day and do things. I have to tend
1:16:01to Lucas. I have to take him to school.
1:16:02I have all this stuff to do. He doesn't
1:16:06know how to,
1:16:08I guess, maintain himself where I can do
1:16:1250 things at once and still know the 50
1:16:15things more previously prior than I need
1:16:17to get done. He can't process like that.
1:16:20He didn't process like that. So, it he
1:16:22would literally, not literally, but had
1:16:23smoke coming out of his ears. So the
1:16:25next thing you know he doesn't want to
1:16:27deal with it. I'm going to go get
1:16:29something to drink. So the majority of
1:16:31the time I would hang out outside or do
1:16:33something else because I don't want to
1:16:36drink.
1:16:37And every time every time his job broke
1:16:41his heart and it made me sad because he
1:16:43had so much pride in his job and the
1:16:47store that he took care of so much
1:16:50totally went downhill. and that broke
1:16:53his heart because he had put so much
1:16:55work and effort into fixing it up and
1:16:58his manager was awful
1:17:02and basically gave up on all of the
1:17:04employees. So, I think that had a huge
1:17:07bearing on why he would drink so much.
1:17:10His ex-wife is bonkers.
1:17:13>> She was all over him all the time. Send
1:17:17me money. Send me money. Send me money.
1:17:20How can I send you money when I don't
1:17:21have a job? And he's still trying to
1:17:24take care of me and Lucas by paying a
1:17:27bill here or there, getting some
1:17:29groceries. So, he always had something
1:17:31on his mind, which is why again, I got
1:17:35the puzzles and the paint to try to get
1:17:38him off OF IT SO WE DON'T HAVE A DRINK
1:17:40or he doesn't have a drink. So when you
1:17:42all see my phone, you can see all of the
1:17:45damage he has done to me and the videos
1:17:48of him smashing my television because
1:17:51he's belligerently drunk
1:17:53where most of the time I just don't want
1:17:55to be there and I try to help him. I try
1:17:57to calm him down.
1:18:00>> Eventually he just passes out.
1:18:03>> Well, yesterday it made it sound like
1:18:05you guys were just drinking like a glass
1:18:07or two. Like yeah, you obviously had the
1:18:09bottle, but you But you told me on the
1:18:12Yeah, but you told me on recording like
1:18:14that you were not drunk. He was not
1:18:15drunk. You guys were having a good time.
1:18:17>> I don't get I can't get drunk. Number
1:18:20one, I do not want to get drunk.
1:18:23>> Sir says three completely contradictory
1:18:26things in a matter of seconds. Here she
1:18:28states she doesn't get drunk, then stops
1:18:31herself because she knows they probably
1:18:33have talked to Brian, who would have no
1:18:35doubt told them about her constant
1:18:37drinking and how she often came home
1:18:39completely wasted. Then she states she
1:18:42can't get drunk and then goes on to say
1:18:44that she never wants to get drunk. These
1:18:46are all completely untrue and her own
1:18:48records contradict this. Simply being in
1:18:51such a high pressure environment in this
1:18:53police interrogation has left her
1:18:55scrambling like the good and dutiful
1:18:58partner, mother, and wife. But she seems
1:19:00completely unaware that that perception
1:19:02is at odds with reality. She keeps
1:19:04bringing up evidence on the phone and
1:19:07how there is proof of what happened on
1:19:08the phone. Many have speculated she
1:19:10simply didn't remember taking the videos
1:19:12of Jorge's final moments, while others
1:19:15have stated she simply deleted the
1:19:17videos and thought the police wouldn't
1:19:19be able to get a hold of them. Either
1:19:20way, she is entirely unaware of the
1:19:22damning evidence they have, showing her
1:19:25malice and intent to kill her partner.
1:19:28>> I don't like being non-complimentist,
1:19:31having my wits about myself. I don't
1:19:32like feeling out of control.
1:19:34>> Mhm.
1:19:36So, I'm just saying you're you're making
1:19:38it sound like like he's a raging
1:19:40alcoholic today and yesterday I was kind
1:19:43of asking you those questions and you're
1:19:44like a little defensive like no we're
1:19:47not alcoholics he we are not you know
1:19:51>> but you guys were both sober on Sunday
1:19:54to your knowledge because when I said
1:19:55you went and passed out you were like no
1:19:58I didn't pass out I just fell asleep so
1:20:00now it's kind of like what is it is were
1:20:03you guys drinking and it got out of hand
1:20:05And
1:20:06>> it got physical or is it
1:20:09>> Sunday was one of the better days that
1:20:11we have had in quite some time.
1:20:13>> He's dancing with my dog. You can see
1:20:16that too on the pictures. Him loving the
1:20:18dog. He loves the dog and dancing around
1:20:22having a good time and just
1:20:25just being happy kind of thing.
1:20:29He doesn't know. I can't. I mean, I can
1:20:33get like
1:20:35maybe two, three glasses of wine and
1:20:36I'll be fine, but I have to have my wits
1:20:39about myself because I don't know what
1:20:40to expect.
1:20:41>> Well, let's talk about Sunday. What was
1:20:42Sunday? How were you like how many
1:20:44glasses of wine did you have? How many
1:20:46glasses of wine did he have?
1:20:47>> The bottle is gone. I mean, I don't know
1:20:49if you poured any out. Yes.
1:20:51>> No, that was from previous. [cough]
1:20:54>> You said that there was a half bottle
1:20:55left over.
1:20:56>> Mhm. And then um that you had went or
1:21:00well I don't even know how the wine how
1:21:03did you guys get the wine for Sunday?
1:21:06>> I'm guessing he went to Publix. He's
1:21:08>> Does he do the does he like leave the
1:21:11house and you stay home or do you go to
1:21:12Publix like cuz
1:21:13>> sometimes I'll go with him.
1:21:14>> Okay. Do you go with him Sunday to
1:21:16Publix?
1:21:17>> So most of the time what happens is
1:21:19because the convenience store where we
1:21:21get cigarettes is here and then Publix
1:21:23literally is cattywampus to it.
1:21:25>> Okay. So, what he'll do is he'll start
1:21:27go by Publix and then on the way back
1:21:29catch the convenience store.
1:21:32>> Okay. So,
1:21:32>> is that what he did Sunday?
1:21:34>> I I'm guessing that's what he did
1:21:35because the next thing I know he's
1:21:36walking in with a bottle.
1:21:37>> Okay.
1:21:38>> So, that's
1:21:40okay.
1:21:40>> It's him trying to be nice so I don't
1:21:42have to go out and do it. Plus, there's
1:21:43stuff that around the house that I had
1:21:44to take care of. So, that's usually what
1:21:46will happen. Or I'm folding laundry and
1:21:48he'll go run out and do whatever.
1:21:50>> Okay.
1:21:51So, where were you guys at on
1:21:56on drunkenness, not drunkenness on
1:21:58Sunday?
1:22:01[clears throat]
1:22:01>> You told us you weren't drunk.
1:22:02>> No, I was not drunk.
1:22:04>> I was not drunk.
1:22:05>> So, with him, I don't know.
1:22:09I I know when it's like, okay, man,
1:22:12where I have told him, slow down. It's
1:22:15starting to catch up with you. Slow
1:22:17down. Slow down. And another thing too
1:22:20is I don't like listening to music with
1:22:23him because he gets too involved in the
1:22:25music and the music that he listens to
1:22:27is a little rough around the edges and
1:22:30like just it makes me fractious
1:22:32listening to his music. So I kept asking
1:22:36him, let's not let's just you and me
1:22:38talk. You and me will just be the ones
1:22:40that are talking, which was fine because
1:22:41I mean he we were playing with the dog,
1:22:43whatever. And then it's like, okay, now
1:22:45let's do the painting. We just did the
1:22:47puzzle, took a break. Now, let's do
1:22:49this. Sure enough, sat down. We're
1:22:52sitting in there talking, laughing,
1:22:54talking about new movies. We're watching
1:22:56movie trailers
1:22:58while we're doing painting and all that
1:23:00other stuff. So, it's still background
1:23:01noise to him because I think that's what
1:23:03he's used to is having background noise
1:23:05where me I can sit in here all day with
1:23:07not a peep, but he always has to have
1:23:10some kind of background noise, which I
1:23:11didn't mind because the trailers were
1:23:12cool and he was interested in showing
1:23:14them to me getting excited about movies
1:23:17that were out or upcoming.
1:23:19>> Okay.
1:23:20>> So, on your laptop you're talking about.
1:23:22Okay.
1:23:22>> And I mean, and then it we it was
1:23:25>> you said it was a good day. like you
1:23:27guys didn't have any have any
1:23:29>> just a general reminder Sarah's
1:23:31determination of events in which she is
1:23:34trying to get the police to believe is
1:23:36that what happened was nothing but an
1:23:38accident that Jorge and her are the kind
1:23:40of couple that does fun things like play
1:23:42hideand go seek with two people with one
1:23:44person helping the other hide yet she
1:23:47constantly degrades Jorge throughout the
1:23:49interrogation she is saying she doesn't
1:23:51like his music because it's too rough
1:23:53around the edges she doesn't like to
1:23:55drink and doesn't like it when he does
1:23:57because he gets too aggressive. She had
1:24:00to treat him like a toddler and take him
1:24:02from craft to craft the night of his
1:24:04death. Repeatedly, she takes every
1:24:06instance she can to speak negatively
1:24:08about him, even when it would make more
1:24:10sense for her to say they were reckless
1:24:12and funloving.
1:24:14>> Conversations about your relationship.
1:24:15You guys didn't go down like the rabbit
1:24:17hole like had too many to drink and you
1:24:19guys start getting
1:24:20>> No. When I tell you this, it made me so
1:24:23happy that he actually listened to what
1:24:25I I had to say with just we'll get
1:24:29through it. This will be fine. It's just
1:24:32it's it's a small hurdle that you and I
1:24:35together will get through because
1:24:37>> I'm talking about the money, jobs,
1:24:39>> daughters.
1:24:41>> Yes. Nothing relationship wise though
1:24:43like no issues rel like did you guys
1:24:46have a conversation about your
1:24:47relationship or was it just about just
1:24:50going on right now?
1:24:51>> Got it.
1:24:51>> I try to evoke it from him so
1:24:55he gets it off his chest because I call
1:24:58him the volcano where eventually he's
1:25:00going to erupt
1:25:01>> right
1:25:02>> and what he has learned in his classes
1:25:04is to communicate
1:25:05>> which is a huge thing in a relationship
1:25:08where he has been practicing
1:25:09communication. So he actually talks to
1:25:12me about things and unburdens himself.
1:25:15Put it on me. I'll sit there and try and
1:25:17figure it out for you. Like I have
1:25:19almost everything.
1:25:21>> Not a worry. Just tell me. Get it out of
1:25:23you.
1:25:24>> Right.
1:25:24>> But it was when I tell you I was so
1:25:27happy. Like it was such a good day. I
1:25:30kid you not. The weather was beautiful
1:25:32outside. I'm the one that had him go
1:25:34inside so we can do puzzles and painting
1:25:36and listen to music or whatever else he
1:25:38wants to do. So then he starts doing
1:25:40whatever it is we're doing together in
1:25:43the living room and then starts talking
1:25:46because I think he gets comfortable
1:25:48with, okay, you know what, we're here.
1:25:50It is a good day. Let me go ahead and
1:25:52explain myself. So I know. Nobody else
1:25:56knows, but I know. Nobody knew George
1:25:59better than I did. I say that I knew
1:26:01George better than himself.
1:26:04And I tried in every way, shape, and
1:26:07form. Ask everyone.
1:26:11I helped him. I took care of him.
1:26:17I miss him a lot. And I didn't even
1:26:19sleep last night.
1:26:21I miss him a lot.
1:26:24>> I mean, is there any chance it got to be
1:26:26too much for you and you couldn't handle
1:26:28taking care of him? And
1:26:29>> I never stopped
1:26:30>> trying to
1:26:31>> I never stopped.
1:26:34That's what I'm here for.
1:26:36I never stopped. I'm here now and I'm
1:26:40still trying to help him.
1:26:42>> Yeah, we just don't I mean, it's
1:26:44unexplainable how he got these injuries.
1:26:47And
1:26:47>> I have no idea.
1:26:48>> You were the only one with him.
1:26:51>> 100% right hand to God. I have no idea
1:26:55how he got them. Nobody touched anybody.
1:26:59Nobody touched anybody.
1:27:03Okay. Um, you had mentioned that you
1:27:06take uh you would take photos, videos,
1:27:10just kind of like a proof and just in
1:27:12general.
1:27:12>> Yeah, I started documenting at one
1:27:13point, but that was that was way before
1:27:18I think the last time that he got
1:27:19arrested where he was flying off the
1:27:21deep end.
1:27:22>> Okay.
1:27:23>> But then I had him bailed out, I gotten
1:27:26him out of jail,
1:27:27>> right? But because he had violated the
1:27:30pre-trial diversion,
1:27:32they this time it's probation. So you
1:27:34don't have a choice in it. You have to
1:27:36go see your probation officer. You have
1:27:39to go to these classes. It's
1:27:40>> courtordered.
1:27:41>> Mhm.
1:27:41>> Where it took him a while to get used to
1:27:43it and understand they're not messing
1:27:46around. I even went down and met his uh
1:27:49probation officer, which I say I she's
1:27:51she's wonderful. That's one of my
1:27:52questions I need to talk to you about.
1:27:55hugged me and said how much she knows
1:27:58that I take care of him. She called me
1:27:59personally one time when George was at
1:28:01work when he was working. 42 minute
1:28:04phone call she and I just saying how
1:28:07grateful she is that George has me and
1:28:09she knows how hard I'm working to help
1:28:12him just as she is and just as the
1:28:15classes will. So once he started
1:28:17actually going on a regular basis to the
1:28:19probation officer and then to his
1:28:23substance abuse class and his I don't
1:28:25know what VIP stands for matters
1:28:27intervention program
1:28:29>> and actually listening to what it is
1:28:30everyone had to say he changed like I
1:28:33could I could see a change in him where
1:28:35before lashing out he would think about
1:28:37it
1:28:39and would always come home and show me
1:28:41his papers and we would look over his
1:28:42papers together where it's like wow you
1:28:45actually are learning miss in class and
1:28:47some of the stuff that they would show
1:28:48them like videos he would come home and
1:28:51be like Sarah I'm so sorry for what I've
1:28:53done to you because or a video that he
1:28:56watches to make him feel that way where
1:29:00it's like oh man
1:29:03I have done her wrong
1:29:06but he's changed he changed
1:29:09>> Sarah's enormous ego and her inflated
1:29:12selfworth is on full display here
1:29:14according to her own friends and family.
1:29:16Sarah was an aggressive, angry drunk.
1:29:19She never made time for her son, and
1:29:21often left him in the care of others,
1:29:22including men and women she didn't know.
1:29:25She had no job, was using Brian for
1:29:27money, and often screamed at him until
1:29:29he sent her any sort of cash. She would
1:29:32lash out at those around her and demand
1:29:34their respect, even when she was
1:29:36assaulting them. But she truly believes
1:29:38that she was helping Jorge. Not only
1:29:40that, she will constantly talk about
1:29:42what a good parent, wife, and person she
1:29:44was all around.
1:29:46>> And that's why you're still with him.
1:29:47Even though he's done all these things
1:29:48to you. And when I tell you I love him,
1:29:51I love him.
1:29:55>> Even when you have when you love
1:29:57somebody, you have limits.
1:29:59>> Everybody tells me that. All my
1:30:00neighbors don't tell me that. The office
1:30:03property manager.
1:30:05>> At some point, somebody
1:30:08gets enough. then they have to to do
1:30:10something to defend themselves.
1:30:12>> I would just flee. And I don't know if
1:30:15you would like to see on my phone or I
1:30:17think it's I think it's actually on a
1:30:18laptop. I actually because and you have
1:30:22to understand too I have like prior to
1:30:26classes and PO
1:30:28kicked him out how many times? I had him
1:30:31arrested how many times?
1:30:32>> But you also went down and
1:30:34>> I know
1:30:35>> the next day.
1:30:37>> I know. What's on your laptop?
1:30:40>> Um, what was I going to tell you?
1:30:43>> Oh,
1:30:44previously.
1:30:45>> Mhm.
1:30:47>> I actually looked up how to file a
1:30:48restraining order.
1:30:50>> Okay.
1:30:51>> Because I would take him out his parents
1:30:53because of them constantly having to
1:30:56take him back in his bags of clothes,
1:30:59all his stuff. The one time, the last
1:31:02time, the father came out and I raped
1:31:06and just not even I think I don't even
1:31:08know if he knew Lucas was in the car.
1:31:10Just opened the back of my car and just
1:31:11started throwing all his crap and just
1:31:13throwing it like throwing it like the
1:31:15car would jostle while he was throwing
1:31:16all his stuff at that point because I
1:31:19continually did it. Not continually, I
1:31:21think I maybe did it three times and he
1:31:23has nowhere else to go. They got fed up
1:31:26and said, "Nope. Either you're staying
1:31:28there or you're staying here. But if
1:31:29you're staying here at their place, it's
1:31:32permanent. You're not going back over
1:31:34there anymore." So, what happens is he
1:31:37pursues me. So, I don't know if you all
1:31:40know where Katy Way Trail is.
1:31:42>> Okay. So, we It's literally right right
1:31:45there from our apartment. Mhm.
1:31:48>> would ride his bike to work, but before
1:31:51he would leave extra early and come up
1:31:53to the wall, stand on top of his bike
1:31:55and poke his head over because he would
1:31:56know that I would be outside having my
1:31:58morning cigarette and cup of coffee
1:32:01where and I would also know too what
1:32:03time he would get off of work where I
1:32:05would know come getting off of work,
1:32:07he's going to do the same thing. So,
1:32:09it's not like I ever got like a break
1:32:11from him where I told you all yesterday
1:32:14or whatever it was. I started to feel
1:32:16that it was too much togetherness. And
1:32:19when you have too much togetherness,
1:32:21friction happens. So, I'm gonna go ride
1:32:24my bike. I'm going to go upstairs and
1:32:25read a book. But what he every what does
1:32:28he say? Every waking moment, he wants to
1:32:30be with me. So, and mind you, our town
1:32:34home is either upstairs or downstairs.
1:32:37So, it's like if you would like to sit
1:32:38downstairs and watch a movie or play on
1:32:41the laptop, look up some jobs, you're
1:32:43more than welcome to. I'm just going to
1:32:44be upstairs maybe watching one of my
1:32:46shows or maybe reading a book. So, and
1:32:49then when that would happen,
1:32:52we really needed that. So, what's for
1:32:54dinner? And then we would cook together
1:32:57and eat dinner and then crawl on the bed
1:32:59and watch a movie.
1:33:01You're talking about this is like
1:33:02recent. I you kind of like lost me like
1:33:04when what are you
1:33:04>> It was a while like a little while ago.
1:33:07>> Now you're talking about Now you're
1:33:08talking about tension building up and
1:33:09that you need space. So, have you been
1:33:12feeling that way lately or?
1:33:14>> No.
1:33:14>> Okay.
1:33:15>> No.
1:33:17>> Okay. My thing is too, so you all know
1:33:19Oh, I hate that you can't talk to her,
1:33:22but
1:33:23um D, his ex-wife, when I say a monster,
1:33:27she's a monster. Like, it does. She
1:33:29withholds her their children from
1:33:32speaking to him. So he gets upset about
1:33:35that and then she like completely
1:33:37berades him about money, about the
1:33:40father that he is, what he did to her,
1:33:42all this other stuff. It doesn't matter.
1:33:45I mean, mind you, this is not like good
1:33:47reason. But which is why he doesn't even
1:33:49bother calling anymore because he knows
1:33:51that he's she's going to answer and he's
1:33:52going to have to talk to her. So
1:33:53therefore, he can't talk to his
1:33:54daughter. The other time he talked to
1:33:57her ma made her talk to Cookie. That's
1:34:01on my cell phone, too, so you can see
1:34:02it. Okay.
1:34:03>> It doesn't matter like it doesn't
1:34:07matter.
1:34:08>> What does she have to do though with
1:34:10anything about what happened Sunday and
1:34:12into Monday? Like
1:34:13>> No, I'm just saying like previously why
1:34:16the incidents what happened is she plays
1:34:19a big part in it.
1:34:20>> Okay.
1:34:22>> Job and money and groceries and all
1:34:24that.
1:34:25>> Okay.
1:34:25>> Sunday I when I tell you this I have no
1:34:29idea. I have no idea.
1:34:32>> Is there anybody else at the house?
1:34:34>> No, it's just me and him.
1:34:38>> Um,
1:34:40since talking yesterday, do you remember
1:34:42any like time timelines better? Like
1:34:45what time
1:34:46uh you guys were playing, what time you
1:34:48he was zipped up in the luggage, what
1:34:52time you went upstairs?
1:34:53>> We started because we had we cleaned the
1:34:55house a little bit, did some laundry.
1:34:57>> You started the activities around 4:00,
1:34:59you said? Yes, around 4 4:30ish. And
1:35:01then
1:35:02>> you just said that it was dark when you
1:35:03were playing hide and seek. And I'm just
1:35:05curious if you remember.
1:35:06>> But when we were outside, that's where
1:35:08we would start and talk about things.
1:35:10And then eventually I was the one that
1:35:12had him come inside. So we
1:35:15>> What time do you remember what time that
1:35:16was is what she's asking.
1:35:20>> She said you went up you went up to bed
1:35:22around
1:35:23>> midnight.
1:35:23>> Midnight. Fell asleep around 12:30ish.
1:35:26>> But those are the only times I have. So,
1:35:28I have four and I have midnight. So,
1:35:30there's a big gap. So, I'm just curious
1:35:32like if you recall when you went
1:35:35upstairs to hide in the shower or like
1:35:38when we started to play hide and seek.
1:35:40Yeah.
1:35:42>> Well, we went inside probably about I
1:35:46had to guess. We weren't we weren't out
1:35:47there too long. Maybe about 6ish.
1:35:51Then
1:35:51>> you're talking about from hanging out
1:35:52outside and like
1:35:54>> Okay.
1:35:54>> Well, we have two beach chairs that are
1:35:56out there, right? just enjoy the
1:35:58weather.
1:35:58>> Gotcha.
1:35:59>> Plus, it started to get dark and gnats
1:36:01and mosquitoes.
1:36:02>> Yeah.
1:36:02>> So, let's go inside. I don't want to be
1:36:05out here anymore. Okay.
1:36:06>> All right. Let's go. So, we're doing
1:36:08whatever. We did it for a while because
1:36:10that puzzle, I don't know if they took
1:36:12it or they saw it. Um, worked on the
1:36:14puzzle again. Finished it. Started to
1:36:17paint. Well, started listening to music
1:36:19for a little bit. Started to paint. Uh,
1:36:23can we turn the music off? No problem.
1:36:25Start at the top. paint whatever
1:36:29maybe
1:36:32gosh that puzzle we worked on that for
1:36:34probably a good hour and a half. So
1:36:378:00ish
1:36:39>> is my hide upstairs
1:36:41originally.
1:36:42>> No, that's when we were like painting.
1:36:44So then it's like okay well I we can't I
1:36:46don't want to paint anymore. Let's just
1:36:49come on. Okay, you want to play hide and
1:36:51seek? What he does is okay tag you're
1:36:53it'll like okay we know. Okay, take off.
1:36:57>> That's what we did.
1:36:58>> And then you went upstairs and then he
1:37:00didn't come up and you came down and the
1:37:03suitcase was there originally because
1:37:04you guys were planning to do donations
1:37:07and it was already there.
1:37:08>> Um, have you guys ever played the You
1:37:11said you played hide-and-seek like
1:37:12probably three times in your
1:37:13relationship. When you have played, have
1:37:16you ever zipped him up in a suitcase
1:37:18prior?
1:37:18>> No.
1:37:19>> Okay.
1:37:20It was just kind of like that prop was
1:37:22there and it was there and it was in
1:37:24play because
1:37:26>> Why do you say it like that though?
1:37:28>> I would never do that.
1:37:29>> You would never zip him up in a
1:37:31suitcase.
1:37:32>> Sarah trying to state here she would
1:37:34never zip Jorge up in a suitcase because
1:37:37it's against her morals despite having
1:37:39done that is [clears throat] obviously
1:37:40absurd. It's also absurd that she told
1:37:43the detectives that Jorge and her only
1:37:45played hideand-seek three times their
1:37:47whole relationship. Had she truly wanted
1:37:49to make this look like a tragic
1:37:51accident, she would have stated that the
1:37:53couple played all the time, and they
1:37:55frequently hide in small areas to scare
1:37:57each other, and it had never been a
1:37:59problem before. Her insistence that this
1:38:02was a truly strange thing to have happen
1:38:04makes her look even more guilty than she
1:38:06already does.
1:38:08>> Well,
1:38:09>> I mean, we were playing. No, I know, but
1:38:11I'm saying Well, I'm talking about
1:38:13hide-and-seek, which is a game. So, the
1:38:16suitcase originally is in our closet
1:38:18buried all the way to the back. If you I
1:38:22don't I know the CSI people saw our
1:38:24closet. Our closet needs to be cleaned
1:38:26out really bad. My son's clothes need to
1:38:29be cleaned out really bad because they
1:38:31don't fit him anymore and I'm tired of
1:38:33looking at him. So he took it upon
1:38:35himself, including that suitcase to take
1:38:39it downstairs so we can get all of our
1:38:40clothes, our donations, and everything,
1:38:42and just leave the whole thing by the
1:38:45clothing and shoe thing at my son's
1:38:47school.
1:38:48>> No, we're just I'm just asking out of
1:38:50the in the past like have have you ever
1:38:54zipped him up in anything jokingly or
1:38:56not? But obviously I I understand,
1:38:59>> you know, you're claiming that Sunday it
1:39:01was a joking matter. You were laughing.
1:39:03He was laughing. But what I'm just
1:39:04asking is in the past, like is it
1:39:06something that you guys normally do?
1:39:08>> Absolutely not.
1:39:10>> Okay. Um, we were actually this last
1:39:14game running out of places to hide
1:39:16because we have a town home where it's
1:39:18upstairs or downstairs. So,
1:39:21>> um, okay. So, do you remember making any
1:39:25videos or maybe having any cover
1:39:28anything? Any photos, videos that you
1:39:31remember doing on your phone on Sunday?
1:39:37>> No,
1:39:39>> I think I took a picture of a dog.
1:39:41>> Okay. But your phone is password
1:39:43protected. You have the password. He has
1:39:45the facial recognition. So, it's not
1:39:47like someone else could be on your
1:39:49phone.
1:39:49>> No, I have both. But you have the face
1:39:52and the password. Yeah, but he only has
1:39:54the face. Correct.
1:39:55>> No.
1:39:56>> To be able to get onto your phone. You
1:39:57told me that he looks at the phone.
1:39:59>> Oh, I misunderstood. I thought you were
1:40:01asking if I did. Yes, it's me.
1:40:03>> Okay. Does he have access to your phone?
1:40:04Because you said it's your phone. Okay.
1:40:06How does he have access?
1:40:07>> Sarah, can I buy your phone? Yeah, it's
1:40:09right there on the kitchen counter.
1:40:10Okay. But how does he get into it? Cuz
1:40:11it's password protected.
1:40:12>> He'll he'll come and get it to me and
1:40:13I'll just do the face thing where
1:40:15sometimes too like he's look he'll joke
1:40:18with me and say, "Okay, I need to borrow
1:40:19your phone." and he'll hold up while I'm
1:40:21cooking or does something do the facial
1:40:23recognition.
1:40:23>> Okay. So, he doesn't know the password
1:40:25and he doesn't have the facial
1:40:26recognition. No, he is the only other
1:40:28person that would use your phone. I'm
1:40:29assuming other
1:40:30>> Well, Lucas,
1:40:31>> right? But Lucas wasn't there Sunday,
1:40:34>> right? Um,
1:40:37so to your recollection,
1:40:40no videos on Sunday. Not that I'm aware
1:40:43of.
1:40:44>> Okay. I mean, I like I guess maybe it
1:40:46took a picture of them, the two of Tess
1:40:49and the dogs and George and them
1:40:53dancing, but I mean or it's just Tess.
1:40:57>> Okay. Um, so I have something that I
1:41:00want to show you that we found. Um, and
1:41:04it was from your phone.
1:41:09>> Can you see it?
1:41:12If you need to move it around, go ahead.
1:41:14[clears throat]
1:41:23>> No, I don't remember that.
1:41:24>> For everything you've done to me.
1:41:27>> For everything you've done to me.
1:41:29>> Your battery is about
1:41:31>> Oh, okay.
1:41:34>> Let me
1:41:43The battery doesn't last very long.
1:41:45>> Yeah, it used to last a lot longer than
1:41:46that. I don't know what happened.
1:41:47>> Okay, let me just grab something.
1:41:49>> All right,
1:41:52[clears throat]
1:41:53>> this computer shutdown was either
1:41:55extremely well planned or incredible
1:41:57timing. The detectives are playing their
1:41:59ace in the hole and showing Sarah that
1:42:02they have the video she took the
1:42:03previous day of her maliciously taunting
1:42:06her dying boyfriend. If Sarah had truly
1:42:08been aware of this video's existence
1:42:10before now, and it was the product of a
1:42:12blackout, her mind would be racing as to
1:42:15what the video is. They already showed
1:42:17her a small clip of her taunting Jorge.
1:42:19So, she knows that it makes her look
1:42:21guilty and that alone will cause her
1:42:23stress to build. If she was aware of the
1:42:25video, as I expected she was, but simply
1:42:28tried to delete it, now she is aware
1:42:30that the police have direct evidence of
1:42:32her guilt, and her mind will be rushing
1:42:34to try and explain away her callous
1:42:36actions in the video. The next couple of
1:42:38minutes, where the female detective gets
1:42:40the computer charger, and Sarah is
1:42:42forced to sit down, knowing that the
1:42:44evidence of her guilt is about to be
1:42:46played, will be incredibly illuminating.
1:42:49Let's watch as she tries to convince the
1:42:51detectives of her innocence in the face
1:42:53of certain guilt.
1:42:57>> I was just simply asking because um you
1:43:00had a look on your face when she asked
1:43:02you if you've ever done that before. You
1:43:03look kind of shocked and
1:43:05>> No.
1:43:06>> Okay. But why did you say it like that?
1:43:08Like
1:43:10>> I don't think you all understand who I
1:43:12am. Where
1:43:13>> Well, tell me.
1:43:14>> I mean, I've always been a straight A
1:43:16student. I am an outstanding mother to
1:43:19my son. Okay.
1:43:20>> I excel at everything.
1:43:23I
1:43:25I would not do that.
1:43:27>> You wouldn't lock zip somebody in a
1:43:29suitcase.
1:43:31>> Well, I didn't like completely lock it.
1:43:34I mean, I opened it with one finger. I
1:43:36left enough in there for him to get out.
1:43:38>> Okay.
1:43:40>> And I wasn't planning on going upstairs
1:43:42and going to sleep.
1:43:44>> Sarah is in her 40s. It would have been
1:43:46two decades since she was in school.
1:43:48Therefore, her continuously defining
1:43:50herself as a straight A student means
1:43:53nothing. Earlier in this very interview,
1:43:55she wasn't sure when her son had last
1:43:57been in her home. And moreover, both her
1:44:00ex-husband and current landlord
1:44:02described her as neglectful at best.
1:44:05Similarly, she isn't an overachiever or
1:44:07even an underachiever as she refuses to
1:44:10even attempt achieving. She doesn't
1:44:12really even do anything. She mostly just
1:44:14chooses to rely on her ex to give her
1:44:16money. Her idea of herself as a woman
1:44:19who could never do anything wrong is
1:44:21completely delusional and she isn't
1:44:23aware of that fact. At this point, she
1:44:25knows that the police have talked to
1:44:26those around her, but she expects that
1:44:29they would have heard nothing but good
1:44:30things. At this point, she's trying to
1:44:32distract from the evidence that's about
1:44:34to be shown by repeating just how good
1:44:36of a person she is. It's nearly comical
1:44:39until you remember that a man died and
1:44:41her son has been neglected by her for
1:44:43years.
1:44:53>> No, it was just the way you said it.
1:44:54>> You guys are scaring me.
1:44:56>> Why?
1:44:58>> Well, we just want you to watch this. It
1:44:59came from your phone. Don't you want to
1:45:00know what's on it?
1:45:01>> Yes, please.
1:45:18Is it long? Because I don't know how
1:45:20much I can pay.
1:45:21>> Mm-
1:45:25I don't know how much I can pay.
1:45:28I don't know how to find her.
1:45:38Do I have to watch this?
1:45:40I continuously throw up. I don't sleep.
1:45:43I don't want to see it if that's okay.
1:45:45[clears throat]
1:45:46>> Well, it's on your phone
1:45:49and you can either explain it or we take
1:45:52it for what it is.
1:45:53>> Yeah. We're just trying to give you the
1:45:54opportunity to tell us what's going on.
1:45:56That's it.
1:46:01It's that long. Two minutes.
1:46:03>> For everything you've done to me.
1:46:05[clears throat]
1:46:06>> For everything you've done to me.
1:46:10>> [ __ ] you.
1:46:15>> That's you. Your voice.
1:46:17>> Excuse me.
1:46:22>> That's my name. Don't wear it up.
1:46:32Yeah, that's when you do shook me.
1:46:40>> I don't want to watch that.
1:46:46>> Last last time we talked to you, you had
1:46:48said that you put him in the suitcase.
1:46:50He had two fingers hanging out.
1:46:52>> I flipped him over.
1:46:55>> I flipped him over and that's where it
1:46:57was.
1:46:58There's two different videos and a still
1:47:01picture where yeah, it shows you
1:47:02flipping him in different positions and
1:47:04him saying that he can't breathe and you
1:47:07saying
1:47:08>> so this is upside down. So in order for
1:47:10him to have gotten into it,
1:47:12>> it was flipped up,
1:47:14>> right? It was flipped up normal. Yeah.
1:47:16>> Like as if you're packing something. So
1:47:18this is upside down,
1:47:19>> guys. This is killing me right now. So,
1:47:21this image is upside down. And then this
1:47:25small video that occurred 11 minutes
1:47:28later, it's flipped over the other way
1:47:33closer to your dining room table.
1:47:35>> Okay.
1:47:35>> Now, he's obviously still in there. So,
1:47:38he didn't How did that How did it go
1:47:40from the back to the front?
1:47:41>> I flipped it.
1:47:42>> Okay.
1:47:45>> My plan was not to go upstairs and go to
1:47:47sleep.
1:47:49Well, that's what you did.
1:47:50>> Yeah.
1:47:51>> But not intentionally.
1:47:52>> No, you told me you went upstairs
1:47:54because what
1:47:55>> you were getting ready for bed.
1:47:57>> Stop here.
1:47:58>> Okay. But here
1:48:00>> show me where you can see any fingers
1:48:02coming out because there's the end.
1:48:05>> It's And his head's right here.
1:48:07>> Mhm.
1:48:07>> So going like this rather than going all
1:48:10the way up. It's like this.
1:48:14>> But why is he saying I can't breathe?
1:48:16And why is he pushing on it as if he
1:48:18can't get out?
1:48:20>> It doesn't show a hole.
1:48:21>> There's no hole. There's no fingers. I
1:48:23don't see his fingers. There's no hole.
1:48:26>> I don't know what you want me to tell
1:48:27you. Like I don't know like what you
1:48:29want me to tell you.
1:48:30>> I'm just showing you. I'm just telling
1:48:31you what we see and what we've heard
1:48:33from the other video.
1:48:34>> I understand. I understand.
1:48:36>> He's begging to let for you to let him
1:48:38out. You sound You're laughing in the
1:48:42beginning and then in the end it sounds
1:48:43kind of like a no. It's not malicious.
1:48:47>> Well, saying [ __ ] you.
1:48:49>> It's not malicious.
1:48:50>> Then what is that?
1:48:52>> What does [ __ ] you mean to you?
1:48:55>> Sarah is beginning to get angry as she
1:48:57realizes she is losing control of the
1:49:00situation. She makes multiple
1:49:02declarations like the video that they
1:49:04played showed Jorge and her messing
1:49:06around, that she didn't lock him in a
1:49:08suitcase, and that she wasn't being
1:49:10malicious when she said, "Fuck you."
1:49:12When the detective immediately counters
1:49:14that [ __ ] you is about as malicious as
1:49:17you can get, she snaps at him that it
1:49:19isn't. And it's clear she wants to
1:49:21fight. She is trying to control herself
1:49:23as she is no longer in a position where
1:49:25her outbursts will be accepted. But she
1:49:28is furious here, trying to regain
1:49:30composure and control and assert that
1:49:32what she is saying is true despite it
1:49:34going against reality.
1:49:36>> Well, like if you were to if I were to
1:49:38tell my
1:49:38>> Oh, like he does. Like I get called
1:49:41everything but a white woman. So,
1:49:43>> okay,
1:49:43>> I my intention was not to leave him in
1:49:46there.
1:49:48Please understand that my intention was
1:49:51not to leave him in there, but you went
1:49:54upstairs thinking that he could get
1:49:56himself out,
1:49:57>> but the video shows
1:50:00>> can I see his fingers and any minute
1:50:03>> and then 30 minutes later he didn't show
1:50:06>> and he's telling
1:50:07>> and I didn't wake up.
1:50:09Do you think he joking? You told me he
1:50:11was laughing and I We were before the
1:50:13video. There's There's no
1:50:14>> We first got in there.
1:50:16>> Both of us were.
1:50:17>> So, how long was he in there for? Like,
1:50:19this video is at 11:12 when it starts.
1:50:22So, was he in there for like a long time
1:50:23prior to you recording this?
1:50:25>> No. No. So, it goes from funny to no
1:50:29longer funny.
1:50:31>> You're the only one laughing.
1:50:32>> But I didn't think that he
1:50:34was like panicky. Like I didn't I so
1:50:39pushing up on a suitcase saying Sarah
1:50:41Sarah Sarah
1:50:43>> I can't brea
1:50:44>> I can't breathe.
1:50:46>> George has done that in the past before
1:50:48too where it's just like he thinks that
1:50:49he's wo is me kind of thing where it's
1:50:52like I don't
1:50:52>> he's never been locked in a suitcase
1:50:53that he couldn't get out. So
1:50:55>> it's kind of I thought it was crawling
1:50:58wolf crying wolf kind of thing.
1:51:00>> As previously mentioned the entire
1:51:02beginning of the interrogation was factf
1:51:04finding on the detectives part. They
1:51:06deliberately asked if Jorge and her ever
1:51:09zipped each other up in luggage before
1:51:11or if the couple had done anything like
1:51:13this before. And she aggressively
1:51:15asserted that that had never happened.
1:51:17That question had been deliberately
1:51:19asked for this very moment because now
1:51:22her stating that Jorge would cry wolf
1:51:24and pretend to be in dire circumstances
1:51:27is negated by the fact she had
1:51:29previously said something like this had
1:51:31never happened before.
1:51:32>> Okay. And again, my
1:51:34>> but nowhere in there is he laughing. Is
1:51:36he joking? He is begging
1:51:39and you're the only one laughing.
1:51:41>> Okay.
1:51:41>> And you're the only one saying
1:51:44derogatory
1:51:46comments like you're mad.
1:51:48>> No, please don't. I don't mean to sound
1:51:51negative and I don't know if I can say
1:51:53this, but like it's like you guys are
1:51:56kind of trying to like feed me like
1:51:57>> No, I'm just trying to show you a video
1:51:59that you no longer want to watch because
1:52:00you probably don't want to know the
1:52:02outcome of how and what you said.
1:52:04>> Well, I know what
1:52:06>> you you know what's on that video now?
1:52:08No. You remember making that video?
1:52:10>> Oh,
1:52:10>> why don't you remember making the video?
1:52:12>> Probably because we had been drinking.
1:52:14>> But you weren't drunk.
1:52:17Just because I went upstairs and just
1:52:19because you're drunk doesn't mean that
1:52:21you
1:52:21>> times that you were not drunk. You said
1:52:23that you had your wits about you. You
1:52:25said he had his wits about you.
1:52:28>> You said that you don't like not having
1:52:30your wits. In my experience, if somebody
1:52:33cannot remember doing something to the
1:52:35extent of making two videos and a video
1:52:38and taking a photo,
1:52:41they are intoxicated.
1:52:43>> Okay, I understand where you all are
1:52:44coming from. Well, we're just trying to
1:52:46make sense of it. We're trying to figure
1:52:47out
1:52:47>> we're trying to figure out
1:52:49>> this video.
1:52:50>> Explain it to us. We're listening.
1:52:52>> I just did like we were playing and then
1:52:56like I thought it was
1:53:00my plan was not to go upstairs and go to
1:53:03sleep. My plan was not to He'll be up
1:53:05here any minute.
1:53:07>> But you willingly went upstairs and went
1:53:09to sleep. No one forced you to go
1:53:10upstairs and
1:53:12>> My plan wasn't also to leave him in the
1:53:13suitcase.
1:53:15So, why didn't you take him out? Because
1:53:17I went upstairs and then I fell asleep.
1:53:20But why didn't you consciously think
1:53:23he's asking to come out? He didn't do it
1:53:25intentionally.
1:53:26>> What do you think is going to happen if
1:53:27you leave somebody in a confined space
1:53:29like that?
1:53:31>> Well, I thought by not zipping it up all
1:53:34the way, it would be okay. My plan was
1:53:37not to leave him in the
1:53:39>> What was your plan?
1:53:41waiting for him to come upstairs
1:53:44and then when he didn't
1:53:46>> I fell asleep.
1:53:48>> You said you were up there 30 minutes.
1:53:49After 30 minutes, somebody not coming up
1:53:52>> knowing that you that the last time you
1:53:54saw him was in the suitcase. 30 minutes
1:53:56later you're like
1:53:58maybe I should go check on him. Maybe I
1:54:00shouldn't.
1:54:01>> No, but you that didn't cross your mind
1:54:03because that's like an assumption. Like
1:54:06that's what you all are thinking. Just
1:54:08>> we're asking. It's the whole
1:54:12>> It's the drinking.
1:54:17>> That's what it is. It's the drinking.
1:54:21I thought it was like I thought he was
1:54:24okay. Like I didn't that you
1:54:26>> He's telling you he's not. He's telling
1:54:28you Sarah, I can't breathe. He's saying
1:54:30your name and you're like, "That's my
1:54:31name. Don't wear it out."
1:54:33>> Guys, that's how we are with each other.
1:54:37like he has.
1:54:40Nobody understands our relationship.
1:54:42This the whole suitcase thing
1:54:45never happened before. Would you leave
1:54:47someone else in a suitcase? Would you
1:54:49leave Lucas in a suitcase jokingly? Cuz
1:54:51it was a joking matter. You put him in
1:54:53there jokingly. Would you leave Lucas
1:54:54jokingly in there? And you love Lucas,
1:54:56right? And you
1:54:57>> I wouldn't do that to him either. I
1:54:59wouldn't do that to him. So I I don't
1:55:02>> Well, it's not like again I don't think
1:55:04you all understand like it's
1:55:07>> I mean
1:55:08>> it's not my that was not my intention.
1:55:10[cough]
1:55:11>> Well,
1:55:12>> y'all don't have any idea what I said
1:55:13for him.
1:55:14>> But by your acts and that's exactly
1:55:16right. You get to the point where you've
1:55:18done so much for somebody and they don't
1:55:20show you any appreciation.
1:55:21>> He did.
1:55:24>> Not by by your words in the video. I
1:55:27don't get that. He does
1:55:29>> because you bring up the fact that when
1:55:30he's choking you, you can't breathe.
1:55:32That's how you felt when he cheated on
1:55:34you. You couldn't breathe. And you
1:55:37verbally several times told him just
1:55:39[ __ ] you. You said it in the video.
1:55:41>> Won't let us play the rest of it cuz you
1:55:43don't want to.
1:55:43>> When I say cheating, it's on his phone.
1:55:47>> Okay. Cheating is cheating.
1:55:49>> I think so, too.
1:55:51>> Exactly.
1:55:51>> It's your definition of cheating,
1:55:52though. So, I mean,
1:55:54>> that's what the word cheat means. And
1:55:56that's what you told him in the video
1:55:57that I couldn't breathe when you cheated
1:56:00on me.
1:56:01>> No,
1:56:02>> that how I felt when he said, "Sarah, I
1:56:04can't breathe." And you told
1:56:06>> I don't know what you
1:56:09This is
1:56:10>> What would you say if somebody told you
1:56:12that they had done this?
1:56:14>> Done what?
1:56:15>> You left somebody in a suitcase and went
1:56:17up and went to bed.
1:56:18>> Do you all not think So you all think
1:56:20that it's like, "Oh, good. I got him in
1:56:21there. Now I'm going to go to sleep." Is
1:56:23that what you guys are trying to assume
1:56:26or trying to like we're just the video
1:56:31is very portraying of the opposite of
1:56:34what you told us?
1:56:35>> No,
1:56:35>> it does not it is not leading up it is
1:56:39not matching what statement you gave us
1:56:42in the car.
1:56:43>> So
1:56:43>> and that's why we want to know
1:56:45>> and I don't remember doing this
1:56:47>> the injuries are not consistent with
1:56:50what you told us. So, we have a lot of
1:56:52inconsistencies
1:56:53and this video
1:56:57explains itself. It really truly does.
1:57:00>> You don't think that I had thought about
1:57:02that? [cough]
1:57:03Thought about the video or thought about
1:57:05>> But no, again, if you don't mind,
1:57:07please. So, you all are assuming that
1:57:10it's like, oh, good. I got him in there.
1:57:12Now, I'm going to go to sleep. Is that
1:57:14what you all are assuming?
1:57:16>> Well, it's not an assumption when that's
1:57:17what you told us that happened. That's
1:57:18what happened. And the video
1:57:23I mean
1:57:25>> I'm not gonna say
1:57:28>> you thought he could get out on his
1:57:31>> but the video shows that he can knock it
1:57:33out on his own.
1:57:34>> But I but when I unzipped it I unzipped
1:57:36it with one finger
1:57:37>> from the outside.
1:57:39>> But it had the hole in it.
1:57:43>> And you're claiming that it had a paper
1:57:45clip. So that's what assisted you in
1:57:47doing it. What you told us? When I had
1:57:49my sweatshirt, I said I thought it had a
1:57:52paper clip on it. It's got
1:57:53>> But the zipper part is broken. That's
1:57:55>> Yeah. Which is why we were gonna zip it.
1:57:57>> Yeah.
1:57:58>> I I just
1:57:59>> You were able to unzip it from the
1:58:00outside very easily cuz that's the way
1:58:02they're designed.
1:58:04>> But you could on the inside, too.
1:58:07I don't know how.
1:58:08>> Well, why wouldn't he have gotten
1:58:09himself out if he could?
1:58:11>> I don't know. Like I don't know if you
1:58:12saw like where the hole was.
1:58:14>> I don't know.
1:58:15>> I didn't see a hole.
1:58:16>> I didn't see no fingers. you're the only
1:58:18one that's what I'm saying like he's in
1:58:20one position and where his head would be
1:58:23we should be able to see fingers and
1:58:25then when it's flipped over onto this
1:58:27right side again his head is closer to
1:58:30us facing the video so we should be able
1:58:32to see fingers and we don't see anything
1:58:33we see no movement of him trying to
1:58:35unzip it or physically unzipping it all
1:58:37we see is pushing up trying to push out
1:58:40of it
1:58:41>> please do not assume
1:58:44>> I'm not assuming I haven't attended
1:58:46anything I evidence, but my intention
1:58:48was not again, oh good, I got him in
1:58:51there. Now I'm just going to go to
1:58:52sleep.
1:58:53>> What do you think? Someone that knows
1:58:55nothing about this or hears just a
1:58:57little bit like, oh, they were playing
1:58:59around in a suitcase and then probably
1:59:02went to sleep.
1:59:03>> That's what happened.
1:59:05>> But you let him out before I put him in.
1:59:06So why didn't you take him out?
1:59:08>> Because I was upstairs and I fell
1:59:10asleep.
1:59:11>> No, before you went upstairs, you like
1:59:13consciously had to walk upstairs. Do you
1:59:15I mean you obviously remember going to
1:59:16bed because you were to give me a time
1:59:17frame on that and you specifically told
1:59:19me that that you
1:59:23intention not for this to happen.
1:59:27I am sick about it.
1:59:31I've never done anything like this
1:59:34before in the past. I am sick
1:59:38especially with that. I thought I
1:59:40couldn't sleep last night.
1:59:42I don't know. Well, here's the thing.
1:59:45You tell us last night. You you vividly
1:59:47remember this when you told us last
1:59:49night that he was laughing. You were
1:59:52laughing. You put him in the suitcase.
1:59:53He has two fingers sticking out and you
1:59:55go to bed. Now, we see something totally
1:59:57different and it actually shows you
2:00:00upset and again using uh derogatory
2:00:04terms to him when he's begging for his
2:00:06life to get out of that suitcase. So,
2:00:08>> so my thing is you say we're assuming
2:00:10we're not assuming but so it just
2:00:13happened to be that whenever I was
2:00:15videotaping or doing whatever else it
2:00:17was had just happened to not have that
2:00:18in it.
2:00:19>> Okay.
2:00:21And you also in the video you can't see
2:00:23any holes. There's nowhere in that where
2:00:25the zipper separates and you can see a
2:00:27hole. If there's a hole he's pushing on
2:00:29it begging you to get out. We should
2:00:31probably see that that that hole in
2:00:34>> he essentially would have been able to
2:00:36get out. alcohol.
2:00:37>> Based off what you're telling us, he
2:00:38should have been able to get out. But
2:00:40the video
2:00:42shows him attempting to get out, begging
2:00:43to get out, and he can't. So, that's
2:00:46that's just what we're trying to figure
2:00:47out. I don't know if maybe you had too
2:00:49much to drink. You zipped it up all the
2:00:50way, and then, you know,
2:00:52>> I did not zip it up all the way.
2:00:54>> Okay. Well,
2:00:55I did not zip it up all the way.
2:01:01>> This is horrific. Okay. Horrific. It is
2:01:04terrible. horrific.
2:01:07>> I don't think I'll ever be right because
2:01:10of this. Ever be right. Dealing with
2:01:12everything else that I have in my life
2:01:14personally and then this
2:01:17>> okay
2:01:18>> whom I loved.
2:01:21It was not intentional.
2:01:24I will put my hand on the Bible. It was
2:01:26not intentional.
2:01:28>> Let's say for a moment Sarah was being
2:01:30honest and it wasn't intentional. She
2:01:33didn't mean to zip it up all the way.
2:01:35She believed Jorge would be able to get
2:01:37out. And her telling him that he should
2:01:39shut the [ __ ] up because he couldn't
2:01:41breathe was all in good fun. And she was
2:01:43just made aware and had to watch every
2:01:45second of the last things she ever said
2:01:47and did to her partner being that. Would
2:01:50this be her reaction? No, probably not.
2:01:53Again, any normal person would be
2:01:55horrified seeing their actions
2:01:57encapsulated on film the way hers was.
2:02:00It's been less than a day since his
2:02:02passing, and she is witnessing herself
2:02:04verbally assault the man she purported
2:02:06to love. And she can't even muster a
2:02:09tear, even if any part of this had been
2:02:11accidental, which it assuredly wasn't.
2:02:13Her callous, uncaring reaction portrays
2:02:16her continued insistence that she is
2:02:18innocent. I'm going to play the rest of
2:02:20the footage in its totality, as her
2:02:22downward spiral and escalating
2:02:24aggression mixed with her inability to
2:02:26grasp reality is interesting to watch.
2:02:29Gaslighting as a term gets thrown around
2:02:31frequently, but this is an instance in
2:02:33which a person is desperately trying to
2:02:35gaslight two much smarter individuals
2:02:38into believing that what she is saying
2:02:40is accurate, that her leaving her
2:02:41boyfriend in a suitcase is not at all
2:02:44suspicious and that she isn't
2:02:46technically at fault for anything.
2:02:50>> I would not do that to him nor anyone
2:02:52else.
2:02:53>> But you did.
2:02:55>> Not intentional. You intentionally went
2:02:58up to bed.
2:02:59>> I didn't intentionally go to bed because
2:03:01I'm thinking, "Okay, time out."
2:03:04>> How did you not intentionally go to bed?
2:03:06You said you went up to upstairs and got
2:03:08into bed. That's intentionally going to
2:03:09bed.
2:03:10>> Waiting for him
2:03:12>> and he doesn't come, but you don't go
2:03:13down to check on him.
2:03:14>> So, I happen to go to sleep. When I say
2:03:17go to sleep.
2:03:18>> And what do you normally do when you go
2:03:19to do
2:03:20>> what do you normally do when you go to
2:03:21bed?
2:03:21>> What do you mean?
2:03:22>> What is a bed for?
2:03:24>> Going to sleep.
2:03:25>> Right.
2:03:26>> So, you go to bed.
2:03:27tell you that like I didn't
2:03:29>> go to bed to do what? Okay.
2:03:33>> You kept telling us, "Hey, I wasn't
2:03:35intoxicated. I wasn't this. I wasn't
2:03:37that."
2:03:38>> Being drunk and intoxicated, which
2:03:43>> yes, you can tell that I had been
2:03:44drinking, but
2:03:45>> Okay. So, if you weren't intoxicated,
2:03:49then why would you ever leave somebody
2:03:51in a suitcase that's begging to get out
2:03:53that's telling you they can't breathe?
2:03:54If I weren't if I hadn't been drinking,
2:03:58you you still think it would be the same
2:03:59thing where it's like hop in. Uh I'm
2:04:01going to go to sleep.
2:04:04Is that what you all are trying to do to
2:04:06portray?
2:04:07>> I'm trying to do anything. I'm simply
2:04:09asking you to explain to me what
2:04:12happened.
2:04:14>> Everything was fine and dandy.
2:04:18>> I call it fine and dandy.
2:04:20>> Was fine and dandy.
2:04:22>> Do you all Okay. for for me to tell you
2:04:25this again.
2:04:27Mind you, I've been without him for a
2:04:29day now.
2:04:29>> Mhm.
2:04:34>> I don't
2:04:36know.
2:04:39>> I I I mean, I don't know what you all
2:04:42want me to tell you because this was not
2:04:44in any way, shape, or form hand on the
2:04:47Bible intentional.
2:04:48>> Okay. So, you just left him.
2:04:51>> You left him there to teach him a
2:04:52lesson.
2:04:54I didn't mean to leave him there. That's
2:04:56what I'm trying to tell you.
2:04:58>> You got up and walked away. How is that
2:05:00not intentionally leaving him there?
2:05:01>> Because I'm looking at the hole knowing
2:05:03that it's it's there.
2:05:05He'll get out. No harm
2:05:07>> because you don't.
2:05:07>> And then he doesn't. You don't go check
2:05:09on him.
2:05:11>> You say you're up for 30 minutes and he
2:05:13doesn't come up. You don't go down and
2:05:15check on him.
2:05:16>> I'm in the bed.
2:05:18>> You even move. You move. You admit to
2:05:21moving the suitcase like over. So
2:05:24>> roll it.
2:05:24>> You roll it over. Like it's not like
2:05:26>> I didn't want him to be like that.
2:05:30>> Don't.
2:05:31>> You didn't want him to be upside down.
2:05:32How do you even get upside down?
2:05:38>> You guys are killing me right now.
2:05:40>> I just want you to hear the [ __ ] up.
2:05:43>> That's how he talks to me most of the
2:05:45time.
2:05:52I don't know how I don't know how
2:05:56you want me to say it.
2:05:58>> I'm just trying to figure out what you
2:06:00would expect to happen to somebody when
2:06:01you leave them in a suitcase.
2:06:03>> I didn't mean to leave him in there.
2:06:06>> Okay.
2:06:06>> What's your reasoning for um not calling
2:06:09911 sooner?
2:06:11>> Because I didn't know what to do and how
2:06:13horrific it was.
2:06:15I called Ryan and like what five minutes
2:06:18later I called you guys. Not even five
2:06:20minutes. Nonetheless that I had to like
2:06:22try to I was trying to do CPR.
2:06:25I was trying to do CPR. I had to get him
2:06:27out
2:06:29and try to do CPR
2:06:31and then called you guys. And it was
2:06:35continually doing CPR [clears throat]
2:06:36with the dispatch on the phone where he
2:06:40had me count out loud to help me focus
2:06:43on what I was doing.
2:06:51It just
2:06:53I don't know how
2:06:56I mean you you can sit here all day long
2:06:59and say I thought he was going to get
2:07:00himself out but that's
2:07:03he didn't and you went upstairs and you
2:07:07stayed there for 30 minutes before he
2:07:09fell asleep. How
2:07:10>> But can I say too like you chose not to
2:07:13ever at any point during that 30 minutes
2:07:15walk back down and check on him?
2:07:17>> No. Wait one second because I know like
2:07:19with you all and then like cuz you
2:07:22continually ask me like time frames,
2:07:24time frames, time frames where I told
2:07:26you like I don't bother even looking at
2:07:27the clock most of the time. So it's like
2:07:29a guesstimate. So I for all I know I was
2:07:32maybe it was 10 minutes.
2:07:34>> Okay. But the point is you left the
2:07:37living room where he was begging for
2:07:40help and went upstairs. Regardless of
2:07:42how long you were there, you left. You
2:07:44say
2:07:45>> I thought he was the boy calling wolf
2:07:48>> again.
2:07:49>> Okay.
2:07:49>> So when he asked to be let out like
2:07:52what's your reasoning for not letting
2:07:54him out when I was upstairs? No. When
2:07:56he's asking on the video, he asked
2:07:58multiple times. He asked to be let out.
2:08:00I can't breathe. What? Like why didn't
2:08:02you let him out?
2:08:04>> Well, number one, I number one, I had no
2:08:07idea it was going to end like that.
2:08:08>> Okay.
2:08:09>> Number one.
2:08:10>> Okay. Uh, number two, just you know
2:08:14what? I'll give you five minutes or so
2:08:16in there. That's They'll give you five
2:08:18minutes or so.
2:08:19>> Five minutes for what?
2:08:23>> Well, based off the video, one video is
2:08:25at 11:12 and the next one's 11:23. So,
2:08:28you actually gave him at least 11
2:08:30minutes per video recording. So, my my
2:08:32thing is when it stopped, he asked
2:08:35multiple times. I mean, why why did you
2:08:37not let him out? It's just a simple
2:08:39question.
2:08:40>> To be honest with you, I I mean,
2:08:43>> were you punishing him?
2:08:46>> No. Just
2:08:47>> Well, that's what you're saying in the
2:08:48video.
2:08:50>> This is what you get. This is what you
2:08:52make me feel like.
2:08:54>> See, and then it's all backfired on me.
2:08:56Like, it's all backfired on me. And I
2:08:58understand the severity of this. I just
2:09:00>> No, you're dead.
2:09:01>> It's awful. I know.
2:09:03>> Okay.
2:09:04>> It's awful.
2:09:08And I will tell you both this right now
2:09:10too. I will never drink alcohol again.
2:09:12>> Okay?
2:09:13>> Like I will never drink alcohol again. I
2:09:15don't care what it is in any way, shape,
2:09:17or form.
2:09:19>> But let's get back to this. What was the
2:09:22reason for leaving him when he's begging
2:09:24to be let out? I don't understand that.
2:09:26>> What I have a feeling was, and again,
2:09:28it's the whole time frame thing. You
2:09:30both
2:09:30>> I'm not asking a time frame. I don't
2:09:32care about a time frame. He's in the bag
2:09:34SAYING I CAN'T
2:09:35>> AND I MY GOD
2:09:37>> AND YOU say [ __ ] you
2:09:38>> when he so like for like the whole few
2:09:41minutes that he was in there like I
2:09:44>> minimum 11 but yes go ahead
2:09:47>> it's a few
2:09:4911
2:09:51>> one video
2:09:53>> well in between the two videos
2:09:55>> between the two videos okay
2:09:57>> yeah so so what what's the question
2:09:59again
2:10:00>> when he's begging for his life telling
2:10:01you he can't breathe. Let me out. And
2:10:04you say, "Fuck you. Why don't you just
2:10:05let him out?
2:10:06>> What are you trying to do to him?"
2:10:14>> There was obviously something in your
2:10:15head that you were thinking of when he
2:10:17was asking to let be let out and you're
2:10:19like, "Again, it's the boy calling
2:10:21wolf."
2:10:23>> Okay. But where does where does this
2:10:25game end? I don't Did you say this is a
2:10:27game? You got
2:10:28>> obviously like the wrong way.
2:10:31So, what was your intention for leaving
2:10:33him in there?
2:10:34>> And it's not fair. It is not fair. You
2:10:37guys are trying to again Oh, he's in
2:10:41there. Night night.
2:10:44>> That's what happened.
2:10:46>> No,
2:10:46>> that's absolutely what happened.
2:10:48>> Intentionally.
2:10:49>> How's it not? You got up off the couch,
2:10:52walked up the flight of stairs, and got
2:10:54in your bed
2:10:55>> thinking he was going to get out.
2:10:57>> And he didn't. And you still didn't go
2:10:58down and check. It's the whole 30 minute
2:11:00thing that you guys are trying whatever
2:11:02like I for all I know it's 10 minutes
2:11:04>> his life he's begging for his life
2:11:05telling you he can't breathe.
2:11:06>> I don't know what you want me to tell
2:11:07you.
2:11:08>> Like I don't
2:11:10>> I didn't intentionally mean for this to
2:11:13happen but you can't tell us why you
2:11:16left him in there and went upstairs.
2:11:20>> That's my only issue. Like what am I
2:11:21supposed to write? What do I write? So,
2:11:23my thing is though, it's what I have a
2:11:25feeling is I went upstairs and just hit
2:11:28the bed kind of thing. But again, I'm
2:11:31thinking he'll be up here in a minute.
2:11:34But then I go out.
2:11:38>> Well, my question is, why didn't you
2:11:39just let him out prior to going out?
2:11:41>> I don't know why
2:11:43>> he's begging to be let out. He's not
2:11:45laughing. He's not having fun. You said
2:11:49you said this was supposed to be fun.
2:11:50You were laughing before. Before you
2:11:52said he was laughing, you were laughing.
2:11:54You went upstairs. He had his fingers
2:11:56out of the bag and he was playing. Well,
2:11:57obviously that's not the case.
2:11:59>> So, are you guys So, what is it you're
2:12:02trying to like
2:12:03>> I'm just trying to figure out why
2:12:06>> why what
2:12:08>> what was the motivation for leaving him
2:12:10in the back?
2:12:10>> Why he was left in the bag? Why did they
2:12:12>> I didn't have any motivation. It was me,
2:12:16he and I having a great day, fooling
2:12:18around and being stupid and apparently
2:12:21me going upstairs and going to hitting
2:12:24the bed, not going to sleep where it's
2:12:26like, hm, I'm tired now. I'm going to go
2:12:28to sleep.
2:12:28>> That's that's excluding, you know, it's
2:12:30a good analogy for the day. Excluding
2:12:31the fact that he's got a a bump on the
2:12:34back of his head, a bump on the front of
2:12:36his head, and his lip is busted, and he
2:12:38has a bump on his eye. I mean,
2:12:40>> I don't know what you all want me to
2:12:41tell you. Like this is not fair at all.
2:12:46At all.
2:12:47>> Yes.
2:12:47>> That you all are assuming that that's
2:12:50from me.
2:12:51>> Where else did it come from?
2:12:52>> If you were, say it's the opposite. You
2:12:54were in a suitcase and you're asking to
2:12:56be let out. Would you hope that that
2:12:59person would let you out? Like you're
2:13:01asking to be let out of a suitcase.
2:13:03Should they not let you out
2:13:06eventually? I'm guessing. I mean, I
2:13:09don't
2:13:11I'm blaming it on the wine.
2:13:13>> Blaming it on the wine.
2:13:16>> So, you guys are like assuming that
2:13:19>> You keep saying we're assuming. Well,
2:13:20we're not We haven't assumed anything.
2:13:22>> But you guys are assuming that that's
2:13:26what I did.
2:13:27>> No, by what the facts of what happened.
2:13:32We got there. You said you pulled him
2:13:34out of the suitcase. You said you went
2:13:35up. You went to bed. We're not assuming
2:13:38that. These are the facts that YOU'RE
2:13:39TELLING US NOW.
2:13:40>> It's like, "Oh, I'm tired. Oh, I'm
2:13:42tired." Well, that's what you told me on
2:13:44a sworn recorded statement yesterday
2:13:46because when I said, "Oh, you went
2:13:47upstairs and passed out." You were like,
2:13:49"No, I did not pass out." You got
2:13:51attitude with me because you were assume
2:13:53you thought I was assuming that you were
2:13:55drunk. So, that's that's an assumption.
2:13:57That was an assumption when I said you
2:13:58passed out. And guess what? You
2:13:59corrected me.
2:14:01>> You were very adamant about the fact
2:14:02that both of you had your weather.
2:14:04What's your favorite word to use?
2:14:06compasses.
2:14:10>> You've used it today, too, that to say
2:14:12that you guys were within your within
2:14:14your wedge. [cough]
2:14:15>> There's two two empty bottles of wine.
2:14:18>> No, but I drank both of them.
2:14:20>> I think you did.
2:14:22>> We didn't. There's receipts for the
2:14:24>> They were both purchased yesterday. So,
2:14:25I don't know how you didn't because they
2:14:28weren't there the day before.
2:14:29>> So, one Publiclix receipts from
2:14:32yesterday. Mhm.
2:14:33>> Only thing purchased on either one was a
2:14:36single bottle of wine. Two of them. So,
2:14:38we have each bottle of wine that was
2:14:39empty in your garbage can that you
2:14:41purchased yesterday or he purchased but
2:14:43you two would have consumed together.
2:14:46>> Okay. Well, I I mean his receipts so
2:14:50it's not even worth the
2:14:52>> So, this is
2:14:54[cough]
2:14:56so I don't know what you guys are.
2:15:00I don't I don't know. We were just
2:15:02hoping that we could figure out why you
2:15:04>> What was the motivation?
2:15:06>> There was no motivation.
2:15:09>> Well,
2:15:09>> we're watching a video that after
2:15:11talking to you, everything was laughing
2:15:14and fun. Now we're watching a video
2:15:16where it's not laughing and fun. He's
2:15:18begging for his life and you are in a
2:15:20very angry voice telling him to [ __ ]
2:15:23off.
2:15:23>> No.
2:15:24>> Yes. That's absolutely what it was. It's
2:15:27not an assumption. The video is there.
2:15:29We played it for you.
2:15:32So, you guys think that I intentionally
2:15:37>> You did. You got up on the couch, walked
2:15:40up the couch or walked up the stairs and
2:15:41got into bed. That was intentional.
2:15:44There's no way getting around that. You
2:15:46intentionally did that. Nobody drugged
2:15:48you up there. You didn't float up the
2:15:50damn stairs.
2:15:50>> Okay. Well, it's not fair. It's not fair
2:15:53that you guys keep trying to say that
2:15:55that's what I did.
2:15:58>> I don't know what to tell you. You told
2:16:00us that. You didn't go upstairs
2:16:04[clears throat]
2:16:04>> again.
2:16:05There was a hole in a suitcase. I
2:16:08unzipped it from the hole with one
2:16:10finger.
2:16:11>> Well, the damn hole didn't do him no
2:16:12good, did it?
2:16:15>> But he could push it open. No, he
2:16:17couldn't.
2:16:18>> I The video shows him pushing up.
2:16:21>> If he could push it open, why wouldn't
2:16:23he have gotten out himself? Why would he
2:16:24beg you to open it?
2:16:26>> Tell you he can't breathe.
2:16:29Okay.
2:16:30>> If someone can do something for
2:16:31themselves, they're going to do it. They
2:16:32don't need assistance unless they need
2:16:34assistance. WHY WOULD HE AND START DOING
2:16:37IT?
2:16:37>> Cuz he couldn't. Cuz it was all the way
2:16:39zipped.
2:16:40>> Okay. I don't see it.
2:16:41>> It wasn't.
2:16:43>> I intentionally DIDN'T DO IT. THAT I
2:16:45intentionally did not do.
2:16:48>> You intentionally do what?
2:16:50>> Zip it all the way.
2:16:53He nor I nor I. Well, he's dead as a
2:16:57result on each other.
2:16:59>> He is dead as a result.
2:17:00>> I understand that.
2:17:02>> That's why
2:17:02>> you two didn't lay hands on each other.
2:17:04>> No.
2:17:05>> No.
2:17:07I don't have anything.
2:17:09>> You're right.
2:17:10>> He doesn't. Whatever that is, whatever
2:17:13this whatever it is,
2:17:13>> he does.
2:17:15>> See, this is what happens. It's not fair
2:17:17that you guys just because he has those
2:17:20automatically blame it on me. Like what
2:17:23about when you had you your injuries and
2:17:25he gets arrested? Is that not fair?
2:17:27>> Really?
2:17:28>> Like really?
2:17:28>> Exact same thing. He
2:17:30>> he has injuries. You have injuries. Like
2:17:33what does that mean?
2:17:34>> I don't have any injuries. Correct.
2:17:36Because he and I HAVE NOT BEEN AT IT
2:17:38with one another.
2:17:39>> So every time that you guys fight, you
2:17:41you both hit each other. So you should
2:17:43have probably gone to jail all those
2:17:44times that he went to jail for domestic.
2:17:46>> Well, the one time I did,
2:17:49>> but he completely completely
2:17:52trashed the police report cuz that's
2:17:56nothing what happened because the reason
2:17:57why I got taken in was because my story
2:17:59was different than his.
2:18:02So I'm being portrayed as like this
2:18:06abuser.
2:18:08>> We're not saying that he doesn't abuse
2:18:09you.
2:18:10>> Absolutely. We're not trying.
2:18:11>> So, I'm the one that's being portrayed
2:18:13as the error [clears throat]
2:18:16>> because
2:18:17>> I have never dealt with anything like
2:18:18this before. I don't know what to do,
2:18:21how to do it, and I always know what to
2:18:22do and how to do it.
2:18:25>> This I don't know. So, I don't know like
2:18:27what's going on or like
2:18:32we are simply trying to find out as
2:18:34well. Again, we got one side of the
2:18:36story. You're telling us we're going
2:18:39with what you're saying, but then we
2:18:41find stuff that negates what you're
2:18:42telling us.
2:18:43>> And I don't even remember doing that.
2:18:45>> Okay.
2:18:47You're telling us that we're assuming
2:18:49stuff, but what we're simply doing is
2:18:50telling you what we saw in the video and
2:18:52repeating what you told us.
2:18:53>> I understand because I don't remember
2:18:55that.
2:18:56>> Okay. Doesn't mean it didn't happen just
2:18:59because you don't remember it.
2:19:01>> So, is the texting thing something about
2:19:04me? Like what's
2:19:05>> is the what?
2:19:08Texting.
2:19:08>> Oh, no. I'm texting.
2:19:10>> So,
2:19:12I don't
2:19:12>> You guys are scaring me. So, like I
2:19:14don't know like what to expect. I mean,
2:19:16I had questions of things that need to
2:19:17be taken care of. Like I don't
2:19:19>> What are your questions?
2:19:20>> I I have one last question. I just I
2:19:23mean you you realize you're the person
2:19:26that killed him, right?
2:19:27>> I thought about that.
2:19:28>> Okay. You left him in a bag when he's
2:19:30begging you, saying, "I can't breathe.
2:19:32Let me out." up and you said, "Fuck
2:19:33you." And you got up off the couch and
2:19:36went upstairs and left him in that bag.
2:19:39>> Not intentionally.
2:19:42>> Again,
2:19:42>> I WOULD NEVER DO THAT TO GEORGE.
2:19:44>> You did.
2:19:46>> Not intentionally.
2:19:49>> Know that.
2:19:50>> I don't
2:19:52>> know that.
2:19:53>> You got up and you went up to bed.
2:19:56>> Alcohol is a shitty thing.
2:20:00It's alcohol.
2:20:03Not again. The reason that you killed
2:20:05them.
2:20:08>> You all,
2:20:09>> please shut down.
2:20:10>> Listen to me.
2:20:11>> Please shut down.
2:20:12>> You all listen.
2:20:16I did not
2:20:19not intentionally
2:20:22kill him.
2:20:25So your intention
2:20:26>> I don't know what it is I need to do or
2:20:28how to do it or what to say or how to
2:20:30say it.
2:20:31>> But your but what was YOUR INTENTION?
2:20:33>> EVERYONE KNOWS everyone knows everything
2:20:36that I've done for George and love him
2:20:38and continuously helped him throughout
2:20:40his life with me and made him a happier
2:20:43better person
2:20:44>> and everybody has their limit.
2:20:46>> Everyone knows that.
2:20:47>> Everybody has their limits.
2:20:48>> So it's like okay so while we're in a
2:20:51good place right now I'm going to snap.
2:20:53Is that what it Well, we're in a good
2:20:55place right now.
2:20:57>> Absolutely. I got you on video
2:20:58screaming, "Fuck you."
2:21:01>> This is what it feels like when you're
2:21:02choking me. This is what it feels like,
2:21:04>> which was however long ago me.
2:21:08>> You said the
2:21:08>> videos was from last night.
2:21:10>> Clearly,
2:21:11>> so yeah,
2:21:13>> there's still feeling towards it. You
2:21:15wouldn't say it if you didn't feel it,
2:21:18but I would never do that. But it
2:21:20happened and you did. But that's being
2:21:22playful. But no one's having a good day.
2:21:24>> No one's laughing except you.
2:21:26Everybody's having a good day.
2:21:28>> Oh, I'm sorry.
2:21:29>> I would hate to see a bad day.
2:21:32>> Y'all are making me out.
2:21:34Person that I'm not. Nor have Or will I
2:21:38ever be. Or are you a different person
2:21:40when you're drunk?
2:21:43>> People have different personalities
2:21:44after they consume alcohol.
2:21:45>> It depends.
2:21:47It's like it's Well, cuz you're sober
2:21:49now. So sober you.
2:21:53What about
2:21:55>> not?
2:21:57It's both of us. It's both of us. And
2:22:00it's again, it's not fair that you all
2:22:04are assuming that the marks that he has
2:22:06on him are from me.
2:22:08>> We asked you where they came from.
2:22:10>> I have no idea.
2:22:11>> Well, nobody else was there, so nobody
2:22:13else is.
2:22:13>> I have no idea.
2:22:17I swear I did not lay a hand on him.
2:22:20>> Okay. You just zipped them in the bag.
2:22:22>> Nor heat.
2:22:23>> You just zipped them in the bag.
2:22:25>> And then you flipped the bag around
2:22:27several times.
2:22:28>> I didn't do that intentionally.
2:22:29>> You didn't intentionally flip the bag
2:22:31around?
2:22:31>> No. Why would I do that? Well, you
2:22:33>> Good question. You did
2:22:35>> WHEN HE WAS UPSIDE DOWN,
2:22:37>> RIGHT?
2:22:38>> WELL, you had to put him upside down.
2:22:39>> You can't get in a suitcase upside down
2:22:41because the
2:22:43>> Oh my gosh.
2:22:43>> You put the stand body.
2:22:47>> Nobody else is there.
2:22:49a video showing the the suitcase in
2:22:51several different positions.
2:22:53So, it shows one, like she just said, it
2:22:56had to been on its back with the lid
2:22:58open for him to get in there for you to
2:23:00zip it up. Then, it shows it on the
2:23:02other side with him in it.
2:23:03[clears throat] So, you had to flip it
2:23:04to there. Then there's another video
2:23:06where it's on his back again. So, you
2:23:07had to
2:23:08>> I'm leaving it like this, please. I'm
2:23:10leaving it like this. I did not
2:23:13intentionally do this.
2:23:15No malicious content or effort was
2:23:18towards this. No malicious.
2:23:22>> I would say this because I hope you
2:23:23sleep, but you're not sleeping. So,
2:23:25>> I mean, the
2:23:26>> last night I maybe got an hour,
2:23:29>> right?
2:23:29>> In your voice, you can hear the
2:23:30maliciousness. The [ __ ] you is very very
2:23:34>> You don't talk to people like that.
2:23:36That's not like a common like, "Hey,
2:23:38Scott, [ __ ] you." That's not That's not
2:23:40common. It's not something people do.
2:23:42And no one that sees that is going to
2:23:44think that. Okay.
2:23:45>> So, we were trying to give you an
2:23:47opportunity and and it is what it is.
2:23:50There's no maliciousness towards that.
2:23:54>> So, I would probably be telling myself
2:23:55that too.
2:23:56>> My intent my intent was not for that to
2:23:59happen.
2:24:00>> But you went upstairs and went to bed or
2:24:03maybe you passed out. I don't know.
2:24:04>> Waiting for him. And the whole time
2:24:07frame thing it's like it's regardless
2:24:09it's not really fair. regardless waiting
2:24:12for him. It's not like you you walked up
2:24:15the stairs. No one can you can't fly up
2:24:17the stairs. No one can take you up their
2:24:18stairs. You go up the stairs. You lay in
2:24:20the bed
2:24:21>> and you wait for him. Who cares if it's
2:24:245 minutes. Who cares if it's 30 freaking
2:24:26seconds. He's begging for his life. He's
2:24:29begging to get out. You go upstairs.
2:24:33>> You leave him.
2:24:33>> It doesn't matter. So it could it get
2:24:35the time frame OUT OF YOUR MIND. THIS
2:24:38LOOK IT DOESN'T m it it doesn't matter.
2:24:40because
2:24:41there's this. So, it doesn't matter
2:24:44anything what it is I say. So, it makes
2:24:46no difference whatsoever.
2:24:48>> It just you keep you're lying and like
2:24:50you're not you're now changing your
2:24:51story
2:24:51>> about what?
2:24:52>> You're now now you were drunk.
2:24:54>> Oh, I never said that I was drunk.
2:24:56>> Exactly. But you did hear today.
2:25:00>> That's okay.
2:25:00>> You said earlier
2:25:01>> everything's everything recorded.
2:25:03>> You blamed it on the alcohol.
2:25:04>> You blamed it on the alcohol. Alcohol
2:25:06does a lot to people.
2:25:07>> Yes. But I never said I was drunk.
2:25:09>> Okay. You did.
2:25:09>> So, you did this. You did this sober.
2:25:12>> You knowingly left him down there sober.
2:25:14>> Uh, I have already told both of you also
2:25:17that we were both drinking,
2:25:18>> right?
2:25:19>> Okay.
2:25:19>> But you want to admit that you were
2:25:21drunk. Is that
2:25:22>> I'm telling you all both.
2:25:24>> This has changed my life.
2:25:27>> I will take this.
2:25:30>> I don't know.
2:25:32>> Yeah, that's a true statement.
2:25:35>> Absolutely.
2:25:38But you're trying to dance around the
2:25:39fact that you
2:25:41>> But what are you okay? Just
2:25:44>> you left him in there. You're trying to
2:25:45dance around the fact you left him in
2:25:47there.
2:25:47>> This is not You didn't leave him in
2:25:49there. It's not It's not cool. Like this
2:25:50is not cool.
2:25:51>> It's not cool. That is
2:25:52>> He's dead. IT'S NOT
2:25:53>> BUT YOU think that I did that
2:25:54intentionally.
2:25:57You think that I did that intentionally.
2:25:59>> You intentionally left him in there and
2:26:01left the room. You went upstairs to a
2:26:02different room.
2:26:04>> You intentionally did that.
2:26:05>> You You did.
2:26:06>> Yes. Because I'm thinking he's gonna get
2:26:08out.
2:26:08>> Okay. And he didn't.
2:26:10>> Obviously not.
2:26:12>> When somebody's begging for their
2:26:13begging saying I
2:26:14>> But when you say that though, BUT YOU
2:26:16HAVE TO PLEASE LET me out. I can't.
2:26:18>> Y'all don't know George though. Like
2:26:22again, I thought it was the boy crying.
2:26:23Well, so it was just like what? Oh, so
2:26:26if your son was in there and said, "I
2:26:27can't breathe." Are you going to open it
2:26:28or is is he nine, so he's not? You know,
2:26:32it's not a big deal. Question.
2:26:35Oh, you said you would never put your
2:26:37son in a suitcase. You would only put
2:26:38George in there.
2:26:40>> No, George got in a suitcase
2:26:42>> and you zipped it up.
2:26:45>> Not all the way and not intentionally to
2:26:47leave him there.
2:26:50>> But that's what happened.
2:26:54>> You keep going away from
2:26:56exactly what happened. You
2:26:59>> Are you all trying to have me admit
2:27:01that? Like, are you trying to have me
2:27:03admit that? because I will never admit
2:27:04it because it's not true.
2:27:07It's not true.
2:27:09>> I'm basically staying as a fact cuz
2:27:11that's what happened.
2:27:14>> Okay.
2:27:15>> You videotaped him asking to be let out.
2:27:17You go upstairs.
2:27:18>> So what, guys? So what? Like just I
2:27:22don't know what you want me to say other
2:27:24than it was not out of maliciousness or
2:27:29intentional.
2:27:31I don't know what or how I can say it. I
2:27:35love George.
2:27:37Love him to this day. Still love him.
2:27:43>> Love makes you do a crazy thing.
2:27:45>> It doesn't do It's not one of those
2:27:46things where it's like, "Oh gosh, you
2:27:48know what? I've done enough for you at
2:27:50this point. I never gave up on him."
2:27:52>> Okay.
2:27:53>> Why I'm here today, I'm still not giving
2:27:56up on him.
2:27:58I would do anything for him. Well, you
2:28:01gave up checking up on him.
2:28:03>> I wouldn't let him out of his suitcase.
2:28:05>> Oh gosh. Okay.
2:28:11>> We're simply just trying to go through.
2:28:12I mean, again, you gave us a completely
2:28:15different story that you churched up to.
2:28:17This was such a a laughing matter.
2:28:20>> It was. It was fun.
2:28:21>> Not by that.
2:28:22>> All day. All day. that video that
2:28:26>> anybody looking at it doesn't I don't
2:28:28think anybody will look at that video
2:28:29and go George is having fun right now.
2:28:31So, why is it you all think that I I
2:28:36y'all don't know me? You don't know me.
2:28:38Nope.
2:28:39Would do something like that? Especially
2:28:41having a 9-year-old son.
2:28:46>> Nine-year-old son would be
2:28:47>> like, why are you so why are you so like
2:28:49caught on what we think?
2:28:50>> Yeah.
2:28:51>> When you should be more concerned about
2:28:53what you've told us. It's because like
2:28:55you guys are like trying
2:28:57>> the things that the video shows that are
2:28:59opposite of what you told us and then
2:29:01what you've now
2:29:01>> like what is opposite?
2:29:04>> Well, you said that it was funny and
2:29:05you're the only one laughing.
2:29:06>> We were playing before that.
2:29:08>> Okay. Um
2:29:09>> but then it stops.
2:29:11>> Yeah.
2:29:11>> It obviously stops being fun.
2:29:13>> Well, I
2:29:14>> cuz you're screaming at him. He's not
2:29:16going to get
2:29:16>> screaming at him.
2:29:18>> Sounds like screaming at me.
2:29:20I I don't know what you all want to me
2:29:23to tell you.
2:29:26In no way, shape, or form, but it's
2:29:28intentional
2:29:30at all.
2:29:32Ever.
2:29:34Okay. Are you still going to allow us to
2:29:35do your fingernails? Go for it. Go for
2:29:38it. Okay. Cool. All right. I'm going to
2:29:39get that set up.
2:29:42[cough]
2:29:45>> Do you need any more water? No, but when
2:29:48you come back and I ask about this.
2:29:50>> Yeah.
2:29:55>> So what?
2:29:56>> Just don't understand.
2:29:59>> So it was
2:30:00>> I don't understand how your story
2:30:01changes so much to the fact
2:30:03>> how is it changing? Please help me
2:30:05explain understand. You went on about
2:30:08how this was such a playful thing and
2:30:10you guys were laughing and it probably
2:30:11was for a few minutes, but then it
2:30:13obviously changes. The whole demeanor of
2:30:16this whole situation completely changes.
2:30:18It's not the funny laughing matter. He's
2:30:21not laughing at all.
2:30:23>> I didn't think he was being serious.
2:30:26>> You absolutely sound serious.
2:30:28>> I think so. Like just
2:30:30>> you don't think your voice you sounded
2:30:32serious?
2:30:33>> It's okay. I I don't know what you want
2:30:37me to tell you.
2:30:39It was a great day.
2:30:41>> Okay.
2:30:41>> It didn't end well. Obviously,
2:30:43>> I was going to say that's uh I mean
2:30:47>> I can't explain to you I can't explain
2:30:49to you how horrific it was.
2:30:52>> Okay.
2:30:52>> To find him horrific because I don't
2:30:55remember taking those videos.
2:30:57>> Okay.
2:30:58>> How horrific.
2:31:00I'm thinking he's in the bathroom. I'm
2:31:02thinking he's downstairs in the laptop.
2:31:05I can't find him.
2:31:10>> So what So what's gonna happen?
2:31:12>> Here's what gets me though is you don't
2:31:15remember taking videos. You don't know
2:31:17where he is. You don't remember him
2:31:19being in the in the suitcase and you're
2:31:21still telling me that you had your wits
2:31:23about you.
2:31:25>> How does somebody have their wits about
2:31:26him when
2:31:28>> See, that's the thing, too. But you can
2:31:30clearly tell. You can clearly tell that
2:31:33I had been drinking something. You can
2:31:35clearly tell.
2:31:36>> I had several people that came up to me
2:31:39in that apartment complex said that you
2:31:40were drunk on a daily basis and
2:31:43right
2:31:44>> regularly. Right.
2:31:46>> Really?
2:31:47>> Right. Talk to the property manager.
2:31:49>> Talk to the property manager.
2:31:50>> Okay.
2:31:51>> Because it's not
2:31:52>> These are your neighbors. The one that
2:31:53live next to you. Your property manager
2:31:55does not live next to you. They see you
2:31:57every day. How many you had two
2:31:59neighbors you went to and asked to go
2:32:01use
2:32:03>> you had two different neighbors that
2:32:04lived directly next to you. You asked to
2:32:06use a restroom and they told you no and
2:32:07turned you away. You had to go across
2:32:09the way to somebody else.
2:32:10>> No. Okay. Kim and Eli. Eli or Kim is not
2:32:14a nice person. She's just automatically
2:32:16not nice. Even after me and Lucas went
2:32:18over there and introduced ourselves.
2:32:19She's just not a nice person.
2:32:21>> Then why would you think she would let
2:32:22you use a restroom?
2:32:23>> Because Eli was in there.
2:32:25Eli comes over and talks to us
2:32:26sometimes, which I think pisses him off
2:32:29because he comes over and talks to us.
2:32:31The two of them, they're like super
2:32:33standoffish all the time. My neighbors
2:32:36down the street down the way, their
2:32:38toilet was broken. They had stuff in the
2:32:40bathroom. So then they're like, "Go over
2:32:43there and try over there."
2:32:44>> There's two bathrooms.
2:32:45>> I wouldn't let somebody go upstairs and
2:32:47use my my personal bathroom. That's what
2:32:49the downstairs one is for. If it's
2:32:51somebody you like, would you or somebody
2:32:53you knew?
2:32:54>> They're in the process of doing all this
2:32:56stuff in the kitchen and they're stuck
2:32:58in the bathroom and the toilet doesn't
2:33:00work. Just walk across the way. No
2:33:02problem. And of course they let me in.
2:33:05Them and them. They're together.
2:33:08They're part they're families.
2:33:11And nonetheless, if you really want to
2:33:13know, and I hope it doesn't get them in
2:33:14trouble, but he is over here legally, so
2:33:17he's trying to work on getting his green
2:33:19card. What does that have got to do with
2:33:20you using in the restroom?
2:33:22>> They didn't want to be involved.
2:33:24>> Show us your address.
2:33:25>> No, no, no. I was asking last night
2:33:26because, you know, I mean, we had
2:33:27several different people in the
2:33:29neighborhood come up.
2:33:30>> Eli and drunk on a regular basis.
2:33:32>> Eli and Kim. Eli and Kim. Okay. Did you
2:33:35ask any next door?
2:33:37>> Those are the ones next door that she
2:33:38asked to use the restroom and they said
2:33:40no.
2:33:40>> No, she said no.
2:33:42>> Okay.
2:33:42>> And like I said, she's not a nice
2:33:44person.
2:33:45>> They're coming. What are your questions?
2:33:46Yep.
2:33:47>> She can help you out. Who's coming to do
2:33:49the fingernails?
2:33:50>> You said that we
2:33:53[clears throat]
2:33:55>> And you don't have to allow us to do it.
2:33:57Just so you know. So, don't think that
2:33:59>> I don't have a problem.
2:34:00>> Okay. Just make sure.
2:34:04>> So, am I getting my phone back?
2:34:07>> No,
2:34:07>> not today.
2:34:09>> Um, what about Lup's laptop?
2:34:11>> No,
2:34:12>> not today.
2:34:14>> What does that mean?
2:34:16>> We're still going through everything.
2:34:17Oh, that's fine.
2:34:18>> You're the one just telling us there's
2:34:19videos that we need to see on it. So, we
2:34:21need to do our due diligence that we go
2:34:23through everything.
2:34:24>> See, and that backfires on me now, too,
2:34:26because now you all think that I had
2:34:28even more in quotes intent to do what I
2:34:30did to him, which was not intentional.
2:34:33>> And that's correct.
2:34:36>> She's asking about your tagging in your
2:34:37hand.
2:34:38>> No, but I'm asking if that's correct.
2:34:39No, I'm not going to agree anything that
2:34:41you're saying. I'm not that you're
2:34:45so his person.
2:34:47>> Mhm. Do you all inform her or do I need
2:34:49to call her?
2:34:51>> We don't need to. We don't have to
2:34:52inform her. So if would like to call
2:34:54her, you can.
2:34:55>> Are you saying cuz he's still on
2:34:56probation?
2:34:58>> No, but because of the nice lady that
2:35:00she is and all that she's done for him,
2:35:02I thought it I didn't know how it would
2:35:04>> legally. We just have to tell his
2:35:06parents and we don't go telling we
2:35:08don'tbody else.
2:35:08>> I didn't even know who his probation
2:35:10officer was. So now I wouldn't go.
2:35:12>> So the same thing for classes.
2:35:15I need to do that too.
2:35:17>> Um
2:35:18>> classes
2:35:20what?
2:35:20>> Substance abuse class and his battery
2:35:23intervention.
2:35:26>> You know something else I just wanted to
2:35:27ask.
2:35:28>> So
2:35:31other than this
2:35:33so initially what was the cause of
2:35:36death? she is still pending because she
2:35:39wants to hold the body for an additional
2:35:41day to see if more of those bruises turn
2:35:45into something bigger. Um, and she's
2:35:49doing some other tests that she's got to
2:35:51do. So, she's pending it for now.
2:35:54>> So, and that couldn't have been [cough]
2:35:57him being [clears throat] in the
2:35:57suitcase
2:36:00>> or saying that I physically did it.
2:36:02>> That's what she's determining.
2:36:04So,
2:36:05>> the the ones on the head, I I asked her
2:36:07could that have been from the suitcase,
2:36:09and she said she didn't think so.
2:36:12>> I didn't touch him, nor did he touch me.
2:36:18>> I'm leaving it at that.
2:36:22>> Um,
2:36:25so I don't know if you all know how to
2:36:27do this because I So, that's what I was
2:36:29going to get to ask you. So, are you all
2:36:31updating his parents today or when he
2:36:33gets the final whatever?
2:36:35What does it matter? Why
2:36:38what we tell his parents? What do you
2:36:39mean?
2:36:40>> Because I I
2:36:44we're going to have we're going to talk
2:36:45to with them.
2:36:47>> Okay. I have to tell
2:36:48>> But it's going to come down to me.
2:36:51>> What do you mean?
2:36:52>> Like, so it's being put on me.
2:36:55>> Who said that?
2:36:57>> But I So what does it tell them? We're
2:37:00going to give them an update just like
2:37:01we gave you an update on their autopsy.
2:37:04Okay. So, it's whatever brere's
2:37:07the thing.
2:37:08>> Whatever.
2:37:08>> We had to deliver news to them last
2:37:10night that their son was dead. There's
2:37:11not a whole lot of conversation that
2:37:12goes on after that.
2:37:15It's not a very easy thing.
2:37:16>> Was it yesterday or Sunday?
2:37:18Sunday. Today's Tuesday, right?
2:37:22>> Did we not meet you yesterday?
2:37:25We met you yesterday.
2:37:28I'm just asking,
2:37:31>> right? Did we not meet yesterday?
2:37:36>> Another question.
2:37:37>> Uh, really? Yes, on Monday.
2:37:41>> Okay.
2:37:45>> Got it. Perfect.
2:37:49>> So, I don't know if I asked you guys or
2:37:52how I find this out other than talking
2:37:54to his parents, which not going to
2:37:56happen. Yeah, probably a terrible idea.
2:38:00>> What? How do you guys suggest me finding
2:38:03out about funeral?
2:38:07>> That's not even something that's been
2:38:09probably talked about between the
2:38:11family. That's not something we ask. We
2:38:14have no way of
2:38:16>> I didn't know. That's why I'm asking.
2:38:18>> So, it'll be up to them to make their
2:38:20arrangements of what they want to do.
2:38:21Like, she just told you this quick. Just
2:38:23being told last night, I'll pretty much
2:38:25be willing to
2:38:27wager that they have not even considered
2:38:30what they're going to do.
2:38:31>> My body can't even be released. So, I've
2:38:34been there with parents, grandparents,
2:38:36aunt, and uncles. Um,
2:38:39so I don't know if I have the right to
2:38:42or not, but like I was going to call his
2:38:45former employees whom he really cared
2:38:47for and let them know.
2:38:51>> You can call whoever you want.
2:38:53>> I just don't want to do something that
2:38:54I'm not supposed to.
2:38:56Um,
2:38:58how do I go about getting his
2:39:00um, wedding ring, engagement ring?
2:39:03>> It's at the medical examiner's office.
2:39:05It'll come to us eventually and
2:39:07>> it'll be released to to the next with
2:39:10Kim.
2:39:10>> Yeah. Okay. I bought it for him.
2:39:13>> That is a civil issue. It was on his
2:39:16finger. It goes to them. They're the
2:39:18ones that going to release it. We don't
2:39:19have any say in that.
2:39:21>> So, I won't get that back.
2:39:28So for all of this, like how do I find
2:39:30out what's what, how many, like what's
2:39:32been found?
2:39:34>> What do you mean?
2:39:35>> Uh pillow with stain, swabs of stain
2:39:38from pillow suitcase.
2:39:40>> That will all be sent off to
2:39:43>> a daily Florida Department of Law
2:39:45Enforcement. They do their testing. So,
2:39:47and then like whatever white
2:39:50can with blood and necktie with blood
2:39:53was from the suitcase. Correct.
2:39:56Why would you guys Oh, you'll see it in
2:39:58there. The baseball bat for Lucas and
2:40:02the seats. And this is just his phone,
2:40:06my phone, and then the laptop.
2:40:11>> Yeah. When anything can be released, we
2:40:12will release it. But we are very early
2:40:14in this investigation and
2:40:17it's not an overnight process
2:40:19unfortunately. So
2:40:22what's next?
2:40:23>> They're going to come and swap your
2:40:25fingers.
2:40:26>> No, I'm talking about like in the long
2:40:28run like what do I need to like do I
2:40:31need to be doing something or like I
2:40:33can't tell you what to do? I mean like
2:40:37so like for
2:40:39like I don't understand like I don't
2:40:40know if you guys are just going to like
2:40:43because it makes it sound like to me
2:40:45like I'm being accused of something that
2:40:47was not intentional. I'm being accused
2:40:50of it.
2:40:51>> And a handful of other things that I'm
2:40:53being accused of.
2:40:54>> Okay.
2:40:55>> So I don't want to be at home with Lucas
2:40:58and you guys show up.
2:41:01Okay.
2:41:03>> So, it's we're still investigating that.
2:41:06We're I don't know what you want me to
2:41:09tell you.
2:41:10>> So, is there going to be concrete
2:41:13whatever it is and then it's like, okay,
2:41:15this is what it is kind of thing or like
2:41:17because I've done the whole court thing.
2:41:20I've done the whole attorney thing. I've
2:41:23done whatever. So if I'm not admitting
2:41:26anything about being intentional and I
2:41:29killed George,
2:41:33>> okay,
2:41:34>> that's not the situation, but it's
2:41:36trying to be penned on me.
2:41:40>> That was not my intent,
2:41:44but it's trying to be penned on me. So,
2:41:47however, or whatever it is I need to do
2:41:48in order for that to be proven, then I
2:41:51need to do so. Which is why I'm trying
2:41:52to get my ducks in a row. Okay. So,
2:41:55that's why I'm asking what the next step
2:41:57is other than me getting my nails
2:41:58swapped.
2:42:01>> I mean, you want me to tell you
2:42:05how to not be accused of a crime? Is
2:42:07that what you're asking? Like I don't
2:42:09know what you
2:42:10>> I'm trying to prepare myself for
2:42:11whatever may need to be done so I can
2:42:14>> I guess stick up for myself.
2:42:17>> I mean I think you're doing just fine.
2:42:20>> You came, you talked.
2:42:22>> I just don't want you guys to again
2:42:24show up and Lucas is in the house.
2:42:31>> Well, we did tell you yesterday that we
2:42:33don't want to do anything around your
2:42:34son, hence why you came to us. So, I
2:42:38don't know why you think that's going to
2:42:39change.
2:42:40>> That andor me not just show up back
2:42:42home.
2:42:43>> I'm sorry. What? That or what?
2:42:45>> Me just not show up back home.
2:42:49That's what Oh,
2:42:51he's so happy that I'm staying over at
2:42:53the house with Brent. Like so happy. And
2:42:56I'm not going back to the house to my
2:42:58house for however long I can stay over
2:43:00here because of whatever to blow over.
2:43:02Mhm.
2:43:04>> And again, if you don't mind me asking,
2:43:06so for
2:43:09whatever it is you all are
2:43:12claiming from the videos, which Yeah.
2:43:14It's
2:43:18Is that what you're going to tell them?
2:43:19Like his parents? It's like, "Oh, yeah.
2:43:21And by the way, she did."
2:43:24>> Did what?
2:43:25>> I mean, what would you tell him?
2:43:28>> I don't think it really matters what
2:43:29we're going to tell the parents.
2:43:30>> Oh, yeah. It is a steel for the fire.
2:43:34>> Well, we can't hide things. And I don't
2:43:37know. I'm not saying we're going to go
2:43:41[clears throat] I'm not saying that
2:43:43we're going to go and tell them every
2:43:44single thing we have. Um but again, this
2:43:50is the Orange County Sheriff's Office
2:43:51has public record. So eventually like
2:43:53this all will come out.
2:43:54>> Mhm. So
2:43:56it like I'm not
2:43:58>> you're making it sound like we're gonna
2:44:00tell them something. So then your life
2:44:02is in danger and I don't like that
2:44:04accusation.
2:44:05>> No.
2:44:06>> So let's just nip that in the butt right
2:44:08now.
2:44:09>> Well, that's what's going to happen.
2:44:13>> I cannot
2:44:15but we can't even but so technically
2:44:17[clears throat] there's no concrete
2:44:20>> report yet even.
2:44:22>> Right. So,
2:44:23>> so it's uh
2:44:24>> you want me to like tell you exactly
2:44:25what I'm going to tell them. I DON'T
2:44:26KNOW WHAT I'M GOING TO TELL THEM. I
2:44:27don't know what I'm going to tell them.
2:44:28Let's just leave it at that. Just like
2:44:30you don't know why you went upstairs. I
2:44:31don't know what I'm going to tell them.
2:44:32So,
2:44:33>> that are dealing with
2:44:34>> Can I do Can I call you the way that I
2:44:36did last time?
2:44:39>> Yeah, my phone is an open line.
2:44:45Should be here.
2:44:47Though it might seem that the
2:44:48interrogation is over, the detectives
2:44:51are testing Sarah with their silence.
2:44:53Nothing makes people more uncomfortable
2:44:55than silence as we are conditioned to
2:44:57constantly be talking and engaging.
2:45:00Imagine now that you're in a job
2:45:01interview and the interviewer asks you a
2:45:03question and then when you're finished
2:45:05answering, they just stare at you
2:45:07quietly. They might nod along, they
2:45:10might write something down, but for the
2:45:12most part, they just look at you
2:45:14expectantly. The tension and unease you
2:45:17would feel as the interviewe would
2:45:19probably cause you to keep talking to
2:45:21expand your point until you feel as if
2:45:23you've impressed the person opposite of
2:45:25you. That's exactly what the
2:45:27interviewers will be doing for the
2:45:29remainder of the interrogation, which
2:45:31will lead Sarah to lending a plethora of
2:45:33information that is just as damaging as
2:45:35the information that came before.
2:45:37Currently, Sarah is still under the
2:45:39impression that she will be leaving the
2:45:41interview, going back to live with her
2:45:43ex-husband and their child, and this
2:45:46entire ordeal will blow over. However,
2:45:49given the evidence against her, she was
2:45:51ready to be arrested the moment she
2:45:53stepped into the station. They have
2:45:54Sarah on camera taunting the deceased,
2:45:57and they have evidence that she actively
2:45:59caused his death. However, she
2:46:01maintained throughout that it was
2:46:03unintentional. Therefore, she is not
2:46:05responsible. But that is by no means how
2:46:07our legal system works. Every time
2:46:09someone drives drunk or otherwise
2:46:12impaired, they do not intend to cause
2:46:14harm. They intend to get to wherever
2:46:16their destination is, even though they
2:46:18know they shouldn't be driving. But the
2:46:20onus of responsibility does not leave
2:46:23them because they didn't mean to do
2:46:24something. Their actions are still their
2:46:26own. And in this case, it's obvious what
2:46:28Sarah intended to do.
2:46:33>> I get it. Look, I get it.
2:46:39That looks really bad.
2:46:44>> So that's what scares me. Like what do I
2:46:46need to plan on? Like what do I need to
2:46:48plan on?
2:46:50I promise you
2:46:52on my son's life
2:46:55it was not intentional.
2:46:57I promise you. Okay.
2:47:00>> On Lucas's life it was not intentional.
2:47:04I don't know you. I can't say I know
2:47:06anything about you. I don't know what is
2:47:09what would be a true statement. What
2:47:10would not I mean you're promising on
2:47:12your son's life. That's fine. That's how
2:47:14much it means.
2:47:16>> Sorry.
2:47:19>> That's how much it means.
2:47:21>> Okay.
2:47:23>> I hope you take that to heart. Please.
2:47:31It's documented that you said that.
2:47:32Yeah, I get it.
2:47:40Do you have any idea when I can get my
2:47:41phone back?
2:47:44No.
2:47:46>> What did you say?
2:47:47>> I just said no telling. I mean that our
2:47:49digital forensics unit is um got a lot
2:47:52of cases on their plate. I mean
2:47:55>> Well, and that's not technically my
2:47:56laptop. It's Lucas's laptop, but he
2:47:58plays You'll see all the games that he
2:48:00has on there.
2:48:02As soon as we can get that back to
2:48:04Lucas, we will. As soon as we can
2:48:05release your phone, we will. But there's
2:48:08we have no way of being able to tell you
2:48:09because we don't have control over their
2:48:12case load and how they they arrange what
2:48:14they do. So, I don't know. And at this
2:48:16point, I think honestly with everything
2:48:18else that's going on, that should
2:48:19probably be at the bottom of your list
2:48:21of worries.
2:48:24>> I'm trying to make Lucas happy so he can
2:48:26have his laptop on.
2:48:28>> Okay.
2:48:31Does Brian not have a laptop for him?
2:48:34>> He has his laptop that he has to do for
2:48:36work,
2:48:37>> but he doesn't want him using it or
2:48:39breaking or dropping.
2:48:47It's not a big deal. There's nothing on
2:48:48the laptop anyway.
2:49:05So, you will keep me posted like
2:49:07updated.
2:49:08>> Mhm.
2:49:13That's my thing is I'm trying to figure
2:49:15out what I need to do in the meantime.
2:49:19I don't know. I can't like I don't know
2:49:21what to tell you though. Like what am I
2:49:24what?
2:49:26But you all have more information than I
2:49:28do where it's Yeah, you might want to or
2:49:30yeah, you might want to.
2:49:31>> I'm sorry. What?
2:49:32>> Like we have more information on what?
2:49:35>> Like
2:49:36>> we told you everything that we have. You
2:49:37know everything that we know
2:49:40and most of it we got from you.
2:49:43>> But that
2:49:47like I was telling her like
2:49:50Yeah, that's bad. like which I swore in
2:49:55my son's life was unintentional.
2:49:59So that's why I'm trying to figure out
2:50:01what I need to do for myself.
2:50:03>> Okay.
2:50:06>> Going forward with this nonetheless with
2:50:09his family.
2:50:11>> And are you all just showing up with
2:50:14Lucas now?
2:50:16I think we've already both told you that
2:50:18we would be mindful in any situations.
2:50:36So, you guys I guess you're going to
2:50:37call me tomorrow or do we need to come
2:50:40back down here?
2:50:41>> I'll chat with you next time.
2:50:46I have no idea when I'm going to call
2:50:47you next.
2:50:49>> Uh, isn't the report come out tomorrow?
2:50:51No.
2:50:53>> A report?
2:50:54>> I'm just saying a report is generated
2:50:56through us and the sheriff's office is a
2:50:58public entity. So, if someone were to
2:51:00come request something, then
2:51:02>> No, I'm talking about um his autopsy.
2:51:05>> She's waiting and doing more followup,
2:51:07but
2:51:07>> she's looking at him again.
2:51:09>> Yeah. But she won't be finished with him
2:51:12because she's she's pending for other
2:51:13stuff.
2:51:19>> So after this, what?
2:51:23>> I'm done for now.
2:51:40How long does this stuff take to get
2:51:41back?
2:51:44>> The other you won't get back. The swabs
2:51:46and stuff will will stay.
2:51:50>> They all know about it.
2:51:59Sorry, our dispatch center keeps calling
2:52:02my phone. I keep having to have other
2:52:04people call them to see what they need.
2:52:13I hope you all can really both truly
2:52:15understand that that was not my intent.
2:52:20I miss him a lot.
2:52:24>> I mean,
2:52:26>> but my question has remained the same.
2:52:30What do you expect to happen to somebody
2:52:33when you leave them in a position like
2:52:35that?
2:52:38>> Yes. But you have to understand too. I
2:52:40>> just What would you expect to happen to
2:52:44somebody when you leave them in a
2:52:46position?
2:52:47>> I have no idea because I've never done
2:52:48it before.
2:52:51>> Why have you ever done it before?
2:52:53>> Why would I?
2:52:54>> Exactly.
2:52:56>> Why would I do it before? Why did you do
2:52:58it now?
2:53:02>> I I
2:53:04clearly have said why. Why?
2:53:09>> No, you don't know why. You You just
2:53:10know that it's not intentional, but you
2:53:12don't know why.
2:53:14>> But that's okay.
2:53:17>> Really?
2:53:18>> I'm not trying to force you to say
2:53:19something that you don't know.
2:53:26So it's feeding and penning.
2:53:59fact that you guys would assume that I'm
2:54:01that kind of person.
2:54:03>> We're not assuming anything. We're going
2:54:05by the facts. It happened.
2:54:10>> Like you said, you don't know me.
2:54:43What time is it, babe?
2:54:454:46.
2:55:16in itself. For me to have to live with
2:55:20getting him out and doing what I did is
2:55:25punishment enough.
2:55:33I think that's why I haven't slept
2:55:35because that's all I see.
2:55:39So that right there says something.
2:55:54Not my intention.
2:56:00This is just really texture.
2:56:05That would be very random.
2:56:09>> I literally heard the
2:56:33Nonetheless, [clears throat] I have to
2:56:34live without him now.
2:56:35>> Yeah.
2:56:37>> Nonetheless,
2:56:39>> punishment in itself.
2:56:49Definitely a a tragic situation.
2:56:54I am through with alcohol
2:56:59and it's unfortunate that
2:57:03stupid things like this happen. Mhm.
2:57:08>> Absolutely.
2:57:16Nonetheless, I have to live without him
2:57:18now. Mhm.
2:57:28>> His daughters, too.
2:57:34>> Are you trying to make it worse?
2:57:37>> Sorry, what?
2:57:38>> Are you trying to make it worse? make a
2:57:40lot worse.
2:57:41>> How I feel?
2:57:48>> CSI that was there yesterday and then
2:57:51she took Okay, I'm done with all these.
2:57:57>> Okay, Sarah.
2:58:00So,
2:58:02you're not free to go. Okay.
2:58:06Um, do you promise everything you told
2:58:08us was the truth?
2:58:10or no?
2:58:13>> Everything we've talked about today.
2:58:15>> Yes. What do you mean?
2:58:17>> I He has to swear. Remember how I swore
2:58:20you yesterday on the on the audio
2:58:22recording? I just forgot. So, he would
2:58:24raise his hand to remind me to tell you.
2:58:26>> Okay.
2:58:26>> Do you promise and swear that everything
2:58:28we talked about today has been true and
2:58:29accurate to the best of your knowledge?
2:58:32>> Or which
2:58:32>> true and accurate to the best of your
2:58:34knowledge?
2:58:35>> What? That it wasn't intentional.
2:58:37>> Everything you've said today. Everything
2:58:39that's come out of your mouth has been
2:58:40true and accurate to the best of your
2:58:42knowledge.
2:58:44>> To the best of my knowledge.
2:58:45>> Correct.
2:58:47>> Yes.
2:58:48>> Why?
2:58:50>> We talk to somebody. We [clears throat]
2:58:53>> to assure that everything that we talked
2:58:55about is
2:58:56>> true and accurate to the best of that
2:58:58person's knowledge.
2:58:59>> It's not a trick question.
2:59:00>> To the best of my knowledge.
2:59:01>> To the best of your knowledge.
2:59:03>> Everything that you told us today is
2:59:04true and accurate to the best of your
2:59:05knowledge.
2:59:06>> Yes. said it was not intentional.
2:59:09>> Okay.
2:59:12>> Okay.
2:59:13>> All right. Do me a favor. Stand up.
2:59:15[clears throat]
2:59:16I need you to turn around. Face the
2:59:17wall. Put your hands behind your back.
2:59:19Do you have anything in your pockets
2:59:20that I should know about?
2:59:21>> No.
2:59:22>> Okay.
2:59:26>> Why is this happening?
2:59:28>> Because George is dead.
2:59:31>> Not intentionally.
2:59:32>> We understand that.
2:59:33>> She's still dead.
2:59:35>> Well, we don't. Someone needs to call
2:59:36Ryan, please.
2:59:38>> Okay. Or can I not make a phone call?
2:59:40>> You'll be able to make a phone call and
2:59:42then we get you down to the jail.
2:59:45>> So, this was a trick.
2:59:46>> No, it's not a trick. How's this a
2:59:48trick?
2:59:49>> You came in here to ask [clears throat]
2:59:50you to explain a few things to us
2:59:53>> and you were read your rights.
2:59:56>> Your response to everything was
2:59:59[clears throat]
3:00:01basically I didn't do it
3:00:03>> intentionally. Doesn't matter. Still
3:00:08me. Have a seat.
3:00:17>> Really, guys?
3:00:19>> Really?
3:00:20>> So, if I didn't show up,
3:00:26>> why is it happening?
3:00:28>> Because
3:00:29>> before y'all said I could leave
3:00:32>> that I was done after this. After that
3:00:34>> we were done. Yes, we were done.
3:00:36Absolutely.
3:00:36>> So now So that's what it is.
3:00:39>> We are done.
3:00:41>> Right.
3:00:46Not intentional.
3:00:47>> Okay.
3:00:48>> So what am I supposed to do now?
3:00:52>> You
3:00:53>> Someone needs to call Brian. Okay.
3:00:55>> Lucas is waiting for mom to come home.
3:00:59This was not my intention. I thought I
3:01:01was waiting for you all to come and
3:01:02figure out what's what and how many.
3:01:04>> That's what we're trying to do.
3:01:06>> And I was going to be able to go home
3:01:08and see Lucas.
3:01:10[clears throat]
3:01:11Now, he's just not going to have me come
3:01:12home. So, there's nothing that I can do.
3:01:16>> All right. No,
3:01:18>> there's nothing that I can do in order
3:01:20to go home and see Lucas and prepare.
3:01:22>> Not right.
3:01:24You'll be afforded a time in court.
3:01:26You'll be afforded an attorney. You'll
3:01:29be afforded a chance to talk to a judge
3:01:32and all that stuff will be worked out.
3:01:34>> But what's the time frame for that
3:01:35though?
3:01:37>> I have no way of being able to tell you.
3:01:38You should make first appearance
3:01:40probably by tomorrow morning if not
3:01:42tonight depending how things are busy.
3:01:45How quickly you get down there.
3:01:48>> I don't work this gonna happen. And I
3:01:51need water like really bad, please.
3:01:59Check me down.
3:02:11>> I just got those.
3:02:14>> Okay,
3:02:15they are not allowed in the show.
3:02:18>> So, I can't even go.
3:02:24>> What?
3:02:29And what am I supposed to do with my
3:02:30car?
3:02:32>> You find where it is. When you get down
3:02:34there, you'll have three phones. You'll
3:02:36be able to call.
3:02:38>> What? Is it possible?
3:02:39>> Yeah. Once you get down there, get
3:02:41booked in. You'll be able to uh use a
3:02:43phone in the in the way.
3:02:44>> How long will that take? Because I need
3:02:45to talk to Brian.
3:02:47>> Yeah. No, it depends how busy how
3:02:49quickly they get you through. Probably
3:02:51would say within the hour.
3:02:53It's a free phone call in the in the
3:02:55lobby. It's a free.
3:02:56>> All I'm doing is bring you there.
3:02:58>> She has no clue.
3:02:59>> So, can I ask you or whoever it is?
3:03:04>> Um, those holding cells, the holding
3:03:07cells.
3:03:08>> Am I going to be putting one of those? I
3:03:09don't know.
3:03:10>> Last time I had a panic attack.
3:03:11>> Okay.
3:03:12>> Let them know that.
3:03:13>> I don't know.
3:03:13>> Well, you you're familiar with the big
3:03:15bay. As long as you go in and you act
3:03:17civil to them, they'll set you in the
3:03:19big bay and you'll be left there for
3:03:22touch that while I'm in.
3:03:23>> I hope that's not up to us. We don't
3:03:24work at the jail.
3:03:25>> As long as as long as what he's saying
3:03:26is if you don't act
3:03:27>> if you go in and act like this, you'll
3:03:29go in and they'll put you in the big
3:03:30bay. If you go in there screaming and
3:03:32kicking and yelling and cursing,
3:03:33>> I don't know.
3:03:34>> I'm just letting you know that's what
3:03:36happens. That's how they they weed
3:03:38people out. If you go in acting like
3:03:40this,
3:03:40>> I ask for the big bang.
3:03:42>> They'll put you there as long as you're
3:03:43acting like this.
3:03:44>> I Yeah, cuz the last time I had a major
3:03:46panic attack on this little thing
3:03:48>> change the
3:03:51>> I have not What am I going to do with my
3:03:52purse? Oh, fine.
3:03:54>> Your purse is going to come, but the
3:03:56cigarettes and stuff can't. So,
3:04:01>> I put the lock up, too.
3:04:02>> Oh, no. It's all good. Mine are off. So,
3:04:08>> what made you all decide to do this?
3:04:10>> Made us decide to do this.
3:04:12>> Uhhuh.
3:04:12>> George is dead.
3:04:15>> You guys I knew this was going to
3:04:16happen.
3:04:17>> You did?
3:04:19>> So, I came down here.
3:04:20>> Yes. Absolutely.
3:04:24We were trying to figure out what's
3:04:25going on. We're still trying to figure
3:04:26out
3:04:27>> unintentionally.
3:04:30Intentionally or not, George is dead.
3:04:33[clears throat]
3:04:37>> You act like when you say
3:04:38unintentionally that absolves you from
3:04:40everything.
3:04:40>> I need to get I have my I don't know if
3:04:43it's able to be or not.
3:04:46>> I apologize.
3:04:47I have things in my car that I need to
3:04:51put your
3:04:53>> What kind of stuff do you have in your
3:04:54car that you're worried about?
3:04:56>> Well, I have my medication.
3:04:59>> Okay. They have a pharmacy there. So, if
3:05:02there's something that you have to have
3:05:03right away, you'll be seeing a nurse.
3:05:05>> Panic attack stuff.
3:05:06>> Well, again, when you get checked in,
3:05:09you're going to be seeing a nurse
3:05:11>> and that they have a pharmacy there, so
3:05:13they'll be able to take care of any kind
3:05:15of that stuff. That protocol is out of
3:05:17my realm. I don't work down there. I
3:05:19don't know. But I do know they do have a
3:05:21furnish and that you will be afforded to
3:05:23see somebody.
3:05:32>> Welcome back to another episode of
3:05:34Dreading. Or if this is your first time
3:05:35here, welcome. Today we're going to be
3:05:38reviewing Sarah Boon's time on the stand
3:05:40as she was surprisingly called to take
3:05:41the stand during a suppression hearing.
3:05:43This is highly irregular as the point of
3:05:45the hearing is for her council to argue
3:05:47against evidence being brought into
3:05:49trial, something that she has no say in
3:05:51or relevant information to present. Her
3:05:53input wasn't necessary as she provided
3:05:56absolutely nothing to help the defense's
3:05:57argument. But as Sarah has shown time
3:05:59and time again, if she wants to do
3:06:01something, even if it's antithetical
3:06:03towards her own freedom, she will do it.
3:06:05One thing we have noted in all of our
3:06:07coverage of Sarah is that she believes
3:06:08that she is the smartest person in any
3:06:10room and the most well equipped to
3:06:12defend herself. She operates under the
3:06:14belief that the majority of people would
3:06:16side with her if they listen to her
3:06:17speak. And anyone who doesn't
3:06:19immediately submit to her way of
3:06:20thinking is of course against her
3:06:22implicitly and probably part of a grand
3:06:24conspiracy to put her in prison. Even
3:06:26though she has never done anything wrong
3:06:28in her life. This of course is a grand
3:06:30delusion which has no basis in reality
3:06:32or fact. Even if this had been true
3:06:34prior to her arrest, she's been in jail
3:06:36for 4 years now. But her insistence that
3:06:38she be called to the stand by her lawyer
3:06:41during this hearing has hurt her chances
3:06:42at freedom because she would go on to
3:06:44state something that would go against
3:06:46the battered spouse defense that they're
3:06:47planning to use. We didn't anticipate
3:06:49Sarah taking the stand at this hearing
3:06:51and had planned to release another video
3:06:53this week. However, given our continued
3:06:55coverage of the case and the fact that
3:06:57it has become somewhat of a special
3:06:58interest of mine, we decided to push
3:07:00back the other upload for a week. That
3:07:02video was now live on our Patreon,
3:07:04though along with another upload that
3:07:06was meant for 2 weeks from now. But with
3:07:08all of that said, let us begin.
3:07:11Before we get into her time on the
3:07:13stand, I want to clarify that Sarah's
3:07:15lawyer is not incompetent. He is not
3:07:17attempting to throw the case so that it
3:07:18could be tried later. He is genuinely
3:07:20working extremely hard to argue a
3:07:22winning case for Sarah, as is her right.
3:07:25One thing to also remember is that he
3:07:26was just hired. He has hardly any time
3:07:28to prepare, and the judge is dead set on
3:07:30getting this case to trial as soon as
3:07:32possible because her antics have wasted
3:07:34years. So any comments about how poorly
3:07:37he is arguing should be pushed aside in
3:07:38that regard. No lawyer purposely does a
3:07:40bad job in court and he is working under
3:07:42very strange circumstances. Even the
3:07:44most effective lawyer would have a hard
3:07:46time dealing with Sarah as we have seen
3:07:48time and time and time again and again.
3:07:51His client also refuses to let him do
3:07:53his job in a functional way. Still
3:07:55believing that she knows better than
3:07:56him. Most of the decisions that are
3:07:58being made in this case are being made
3:08:00by Sarah as she refuses to listen to his
3:08:02expert opinion. Sarah is in the driver's
3:08:04seat, unfortunately, and her lawyer is
3:08:06simply the avatar that she needs to put
3:08:08forward to promulgate her point of view.
3:08:10This particular hearing is meant to
3:08:12discuss whether the interrogation
3:08:13footage from the day after the murder
3:08:15can be brought into trial. Sarah's
3:08:17attorney is arguing that she was coerced
3:08:18into talking to the police. as they
3:08:20asked her to come to the station to
3:08:22retrieve her cell phone when they really
3:08:24intended to question her about the video
3:08:25they found. He contends that because
3:08:27Sarah was tricked, she was made to feel
3:08:29as if she didn't have the right to leave
3:08:31the interrogation and that everything
3:08:32she said after the fact was said under
3:08:34duress. This is important because if
3:08:36they're going forward with the battered
3:08:38spouse defense, Sarah's insistence that
3:08:40the death was an accident and not
3:08:41intentional in that interview goes
3:08:43against that argument. They need to
3:08:45prove that at the time of the murder,
3:08:46Sarah felt that her life was in danger
3:08:48and that the only way she could escape
3:08:50George's abuse was to kill him. That
3:08:52argument is going to be difficult to
3:08:53prove, knowing the facts of the case,
3:08:56but it's the best defense that she has
3:08:57given her history with George. They want
3:08:59to make their case as robust as
3:09:01possible, and frankly, eliminating the
3:09:03interrogation is a good way to go about
3:09:04that. Sarah's behavior and general
3:09:06antics after the murder are obviously
3:09:08shocking, which is why so many channels
3:09:10like my own have covered her, with some
3:09:12channels focusing on her exclusively.
3:09:14Their main support for their motion to
3:09:16suppress is that the lead investigator
3:09:17failed to ask Sarah the last question on
3:09:20the Miranda rights card. That being
3:09:22having these rights in mind, do you wish
3:09:23to talk to us now? However, after the
3:09:26other eight rights were read out to
3:09:27Sarah, and she signed a document with
3:09:29that question present, granting her
3:09:31consent, the argument isn't as foolproof
3:09:33as one might hope in these
3:09:34circumstances. In fact, when Sarah
3:09:36arrived at the police station to pick up
3:09:38her phone, she brought along a list of
3:09:39questions for the police, which you can
3:09:41infer means that she had no issue
3:09:43talking to them. Furthermore, their
3:09:45argument relies on the idea that Sarah
3:09:47was treated poorly by the police and was
3:09:48meant to feel that she had to speak to
3:09:50them. As we have covered on this
3:09:52channel, there are absolutely cases of
3:09:54coercion where the police bully, badger,
3:09:56and abuse a suspect until they get the
3:09:58information that they want. In those
3:09:59cases, though, there tends to be an
3:10:01obvious red flag like a security camera
3:10:03or a body camera that's been turned off
3:10:05or tape recorders not being turned on
3:10:07during the full interrogation or a
3:10:09history of gaining false reports by the
3:10:11interrogator. None of those issues are
3:10:13present in this case. In fact, the
3:10:15opposite is true. We've seen the body
3:10:16cam footage from the morning of and
3:10:18we've watched the security footage from
3:10:20the police department in the
3:10:21interrogation. At no point did the
3:10:23officers engage Sarah in a cruel or
3:10:25commanding way. If you rewatch any of
3:10:27the videos going over Sarah's behavior
3:10:29from that morning, they treated her
3:10:30outstandingly well, making her feel as
3:10:32if she was a victim until they showed
3:10:34her the video of her mocking George as
3:10:36he was dying. So, the idea that the
3:10:38police were confrontational or at all
3:10:40forceful with her falls entirely flat,
3:10:42in our opinion, at least. There's also
3:10:44notably no case law that bolsters the
3:10:46argument presented as the other eight
3:10:47Miranda rightites were properly asked
3:10:49and Sarah signed a document with the
3:10:51ninth present. While this is by no means
3:10:53a strong argument, it's her lawyer's job
3:10:55to argue it as it gives her the best
3:10:57chance of success. While Sarah likely
3:10:59did not think of this herself, it's
3:11:00probable that when her lawyer told her
3:11:02that he was going to try and exclude the
3:11:04interrogation based on her feeling
3:11:06coerced, she demanded to go on the
3:11:07stand. In her mind, her input was vital
3:11:10to the case, especially since they were
3:11:12talking about her feelings. But the
3:11:13opposite is true. Sarah taking the stand
3:11:15to discuss this motion is nonsensical
3:11:18because nothing she has to say can
3:11:19possibly improve her lawyer's argument.
3:11:21He needs to be allowed to present the
3:11:23case in the most effective way possible
3:11:25by presenting case law, going over the
3:11:27pertinent facts, and creating an
3:11:29appealing argument. And Sarah's
3:11:30inclusion gets in the way of that. Her
3:11:32taking the stand to talk about how she
3:11:34feels is irrelevant. You can feel like
3:11:35you were lied to, that the police
3:11:37weren't being fair towards you. But that
3:11:39doesn't change the facts of the matter.
3:11:40But this is Sarah we're talking about.
3:11:42Facts have never truly affected her as
3:11:44far as we have witnessed because she
3:11:46simply doesn't care about them as long
3:11:47as they don't align with her worldview.
3:11:49Remember, she described herself as an
3:11:51attentive, supportive wife and mother,
3:11:53despite her leaving her child in order
3:11:55to go out drinking in the middle of the
3:11:56day. But her lawyer can't comfortably
3:11:58tell Sarah no without having a fight on
3:12:00his hands. Most other establishments
3:12:02talking about this case discuss how he
3:12:04is likely choosing his battles with his
3:12:06client, trying to get her to do what's
3:12:08best for herself, but ultimately
3:12:10allowing her to make decisions that will
3:12:11hurt the case. And this is no doubt one
3:12:13of those occasions. Prior to Sarah
3:12:15taking the stand, her defense had a
3:12:17chance to question the lead investigator
3:12:19about why the last question was not said
3:12:21and argue that Sarah had been coerced.
3:12:23They were able to make a few points, but
3:12:25the judge appeared unmoved by their
3:12:27assertions. That officer has just left
3:12:29the stand. And at this point, the judge
3:12:31believes that they would be moving on
3:12:32from that specific motion. So, let's
3:12:34watch
3:12:38>> any [clears throat] further witnesses,
3:12:39evidence, or testimony. Sir,
3:12:40>> I'd like to call Sarah Boon.
3:12:43>> Miss Boon can approach the podium.
3:12:47>> She was previously sworn at the
3:12:49beginning.
3:12:58>> Yes, sir.
3:13:01Hang on. The deputy's got to move her.
3:13:03[clears throat]
3:13:25There are some obvious microphone
3:13:26issues, specifically with Sarah's mic.
3:13:28The audio is going to be a bit grading
3:13:30to listen to, but I've tried to remedy
3:13:32it, and there's not a whole lot I can
3:13:33really do to repair it, so my apologies.
3:13:35So, I've spent a fair few minutes
3:13:37talking about why Sarah taking the stand
3:13:39is a bad idea. We all understand that
3:13:40this is not going to go very well for
3:13:42her, but she is completely unaware of
3:13:44that fact. As a matter of fact, based on
3:13:46her body language and facial reactions,
3:13:48you would think that she's about to
3:13:49testify against someone else who had
3:13:51harmed her. She seems irrationally
3:13:53confident, as if she's in the right, and
3:13:55that what she says is more important
3:13:56than the prosecution, judge, or even her
3:13:58own lawyer has to say. It's this sort of
3:14:00delusion that makes Sarah so interesting
3:14:02to us. She has all the confidence in the
3:14:04world with none of the achievements to
3:14:06back it up. Moreover, this unyielding
3:14:08faith in herself has never served her.
3:14:10Not in this court case, not in the case
3:14:12against her ex-husband, and certainly
3:14:14not in her life prior to killing George.
3:14:16In fact, it's the reason why she
3:14:18continues to make so many obvious,
3:14:19careless mistakes. She is so confident
3:14:21that she can't fail, that what she is
3:14:23saying is good and right that she ruins
3:14:25every potential argument that she has.
3:14:30>> Ma'am, you've already been sworn.
3:14:31Counselor, you may proceed.
3:14:35>> Ma'am, would you please state your full
3:14:37name?
3:14:38>> Sarah Boom.
3:14:39>> Well, you're going to have to speak up
3:14:40or move the mic.
3:14:42>> Sarah Boom.
3:14:45>> Yes.
3:14:51Where are you currently housed?
3:14:55>> At the Orange County Corrections
3:14:57Department.
3:14:58>> Have you been there since February the
3:14:5925th of 2020?
3:15:01>> Correct.
3:15:02>> Was that the date of this interrogation
3:15:04that we're here for on this motion?
3:15:07>> Yes.
3:15:07>> All right. Let me take you back
3:15:10to the morning of
3:15:13finding George Torres in the suitcase.
3:15:21You called 911.
3:15:23>> Yes.
3:15:28>> Is it true that uh detective or deputy
3:15:31killer Rodriguez of the sheriff's
3:15:33department arrived?
3:15:34>> Yes.
3:15:42>> What mental state did you have at that
3:15:45time?
3:15:48was very confused. Um
3:15:51was very hazy. I
3:15:55didn't understand the monumental amount
3:15:58of people that were there and what they
3:16:00were doing with taking from my home. I
3:16:02was worried about my dogs. Um I was
3:16:06worried about my son. I was
3:16:10I was in shock. I was
3:16:14traumatized by the situation and then
3:16:17trying to focus on everything that was
3:16:19going on on my at my home. Um,
3:16:23I was hung over. I was still, I believe,
3:16:26intoxicated to a degree.
3:16:29>> All right. And she has just [ __ ] up
3:16:30her own argument. Just truly [ __ ] it
3:16:32right up. As mentioned, Sarah is going
3:16:35for the battered spouse defense, which
3:16:36infers that the defendant in question
3:16:38perceived that their life was in danger
3:16:40at the time of the murder. And the
3:16:42prosecution will inevitably argue that
3:16:44if she was drunk, her perception cannot
3:16:46be trusted. In other words, how could
3:16:47she perceive a threat if her perception
3:16:49was impaired? But more importantly, they
3:16:51want to get the interview suppressed
3:16:53because what she claimed in it
3:16:54completely goes against their defense.
3:16:56She said repeatedly to the point to
3:16:58where it's now a meme that what happened
3:17:00with George was unintentional and an
3:17:02accident. She didn't mean for him to
3:17:03die. She simply went to sleep and
3:17:05thought he would have gotten out of the
3:17:06suitcase by himself. This flies in the
3:17:08face of their defense because how could
3:17:10you feel reasonable fear for one's life
3:17:12when you were drunk and he was in a
3:17:14suitcase? This also discredits her
3:17:16earlier statements given at the crime
3:17:17scene with the responding officers. And
3:17:19in her police interview the following
3:17:21day, because on both occasions, she
3:17:23claimed that she was not drunk when the
3:17:24incident occurred. She said that George
3:17:26and her shared some wine. Then they did
3:17:28a puzzle and then decided to play
3:17:30hideand-seek, but she didn't black out
3:17:31because she wasn't drunk. Now, we can
3:17:33obviously see that that isn't true. She
3:17:35was clearly hung over and most of the
3:17:37statements she's given about her life
3:17:38are just lies. The channel Melody D has
3:17:41uploads of the police interviews with
3:17:42Sarah's ex-husband as well as Sarah's
3:17:44landlord and neighbors that all
3:17:46demonstrate that Sarah wasn't drunk with
3:17:48little regard for the people around her
3:17:49and could not go a day without drinking.
3:17:51But in the interrogation, she claimed
3:17:53otherwise. Should the footage be allowed
3:17:55at trial, the prosecution can now prove
3:17:57that she will lie and say whatever she
3:17:59thinks will get her out of trouble. In
3:18:00addition, she talked about her mental
3:18:02state at the crime scene, whereas the
3:18:04interrogation that they were trying to
3:18:05suppress happened the very next day. Her
3:18:07lying the day of might make sense if she
3:18:09was drunk. Is she trying to say she was
3:18:11hung over then as well? Is she claiming
3:18:13that she went into the police station to
3:18:14talk to the cops completely plastered?
3:18:16It's irrelevant information that
3:18:18discredits her statements and if the
3:18:20interview isn't suppressed will
3:18:21demonstrate to the jury that she cannot
3:18:23be trusted. Before we continue, the
3:18:25prosecution is about to object due to
3:18:27relevance, which you might believe is
3:18:28counterintuitive to their case.
3:18:30Obviously, allowing her to stay on the
3:18:32stand and say whatever wacky thing she
3:18:34believes will get her out of jail the
3:18:36quickest would be interesting. But this
3:18:38isn't trial. This isn't in front of a
3:18:39jury. This is simply a motion's hearing.
3:18:43>> Objection. Judge, move to strike. This
3:18:45is outside their motion to suppress.
3:18:46They have not made any allegations that
3:18:48her statement was involuntary because of
3:18:50her mental state or state of
3:18:51intoxication. response.
3:18:54>> Judge, we're talking about I'm I'm just
3:18:56getting some preliminary information,
3:18:58>> but we're we're her interrogation is the
3:19:00next day.
3:19:01>> The state has an obligation and the case
3:19:03law cited by the state requires
3:19:05specificity in the motions. So, it's not
3:19:07a game of 20 questions and surprise.
3:19:10>> Okay. This this is the day before the
3:19:12interrogation.
3:19:13>> I understand that.
3:19:14>> We're not we're not talking about an
3:19:15intoxication. Are you going to be
3:19:16arguing anything in conclusion as to
3:19:19what happened on February 24th led to
3:19:21any coercive or coercion behavior on
3:19:24behalf of the Orange County Sheriff's
3:19:25Office on February 25? Are you going to
3:19:28bootstrap or link any of those things
3:19:30together? The interrogation in the squad
3:19:32car and what was said to her prior to
3:19:34getting in the squad car that relates to
3:19:36what she said about it being routine
3:19:38protocol. Yes.
3:19:39>> All right. I'm going to sustain the
3:19:40state's objection
3:19:41>> relating to the intoxication.
3:19:43>> Yes. Okay.
3:19:45It wasn't raised in any of the three
3:19:46motions that have been filed.
3:19:47>> Judge, I didn't ask her that. She
3:19:49volunteered.
3:19:49>> I understand it. Okay. Objection
3:19:51sustained and stricken.
3:19:53>> So, the judge also agrees that what she
3:19:55is saying is irrelevant to the motions
3:19:56that they are discussing, which is
3:19:58obviously not great for what the defense
3:20:00is trying to argue. Her lawyer throws in
3:20:02that she is offering information he
3:20:04didn't necessarily ask for, which feels
3:20:05more or less like a way to endear
3:20:07himself to the judge a bit, but Sarah
3:20:09has no idea that she's already hurt the
3:20:10case. Watching her reaction during the
3:20:12back and forth between the lawyers and
3:20:14the judge is interesting because you
3:20:15would think that she would feel strongly
3:20:17that what she is saying is relevant and
3:20:19want to keep it in. Or she would
3:20:20understand that what she just did is
3:20:22being argued because she said something
3:20:24wrong. Instead, she just sits there
3:20:26seeming a bit annoyed that she isn't
3:20:27being asked anything. It's kind of like
3:20:29she's waiting for a coffee order and
3:20:30she's a little frustrated that it's
3:20:32taking too long. It's small things like
3:20:34this that make her so interesting to
3:20:35watch. She has the same ego as someone
3:20:37like Tony Todd, but her reactions are a
3:20:39bit more subdued.
3:20:43>> Did you speak to the deputy about
3:20:48what had happened?
3:20:49>> Yes.
3:20:50>> Okay. And then were you asked to stay on
3:20:54scene
3:20:55>> by both? Yes. By both detectives? Yes.
3:20:58>> Okay. How long did it take the
3:20:59detectives to arrive
3:21:02after you had spoken initially with
3:21:04Deputy Rodriguez?
3:21:07>> It was not right away. I don't know
3:21:08specifically, but it was not quickly.
3:21:10>> Okay. Did the detective,
3:21:14the two detectives when they arrived,
3:21:16did they take over the investigation?
3:21:19>> Um, it was my understanding.
3:21:20[clears throat] Yes.
3:21:21your foundation for her to be
3:21:23>> sustained.
3:21:25At at some point, were were the
3:21:27detectives directing you what to do and
3:21:30where to go?
3:21:31>> Yes.
3:21:31>> Okay.
3:21:34Can you explain what the detectives told
3:21:37you as it relates to you getting in the
3:21:39in the car?
3:21:42What was the phone issue before the car?
3:21:45>> Yes.
3:21:46>> Sustained. Was the Let me Let me ask you
3:21:48about the phone. When were you first
3:21:50asked about your phone?
3:21:52>> From my remembering, it was once they
3:21:56arrived. One of the first questions that
3:21:58Hopeell asked me was if I owned a phone.
3:22:02>> In our video going over Sarah's letters
3:22:03to the court, we commented on the fact
3:22:05that she had a tendency to overuse words
3:22:07in order to try and seem intelligent.
3:22:09Instead of saying, "I feel like I'm
3:22:10being unfairly penalized," she would
3:22:12say, "It is my subjective understanding
3:22:14of the facts within this case that I am
3:22:16being left behind by the justice
3:22:18system." the justice system that happens
3:22:20to be currently established in the
3:22:21United States of America and of course
3:22:23gubanatorily by you, honorable judge.
3:22:26And she does that here as well. It's
3:22:28important to her that she comes across
3:22:29as intelligent so that everyone in the
3:22:31courtroom knows that she should be
3:22:33respected. She even stated in a past
3:22:35letter that she isn't like other inmates
3:22:37and defendants. She's of a different
3:22:39caliber and should be treated as such.
3:22:41It will be interesting to see her do
3:22:42this at trial when she takes the stand
3:22:44in her own defense. This just feels like
3:22:46a foreshadowing of what's to come.
3:22:50And what did you tell her?
3:22:52>> I told her it was on the kitchen
3:22:53counter.
3:22:55>> All right. And what happened next as it
3:22:58relates to the phone?
3:23:00>> Um I believe that it was brought to her
3:23:03with someone else. I don't remember.
3:23:06>> Sustained.
3:23:09>> What was the next thing that you were
3:23:11told or talked to about as it relates to
3:23:13the phone?
3:23:14>> Unlock it.
3:23:15>> Who told you that? Detective Copel.
3:23:18>> How did you unlock it?
3:23:20>> She handed it to me and I unlocked it.
3:23:22>> How do you unlock your phone?
3:23:25>> Um, it was uh with a passcode.
3:23:28>> Okay. And when you unlocked it, did did
3:23:32she did did you give it back to the the
3:23:34detective?
3:23:35>> I did.
3:23:36>> All right.
3:23:36>> Did you ever see the phone again?
3:23:38>> I did not.
3:23:38>> Okay. After that incident, uh, was the
3:23:42next time you were spoken to by
3:23:44Detective Copel was in relation to the
3:23:48interview in the squad car?
3:23:50>> Yes, she told me I needed to go with her
3:23:52and Detective Loan to her unmarked
3:23:54vehicle.
3:23:56>> And did she tell you anything about
3:24:00what was going to take place once y'all
3:24:02got inside the vehicle?
3:24:03>> That she was just going to be asking me
3:24:05general questions? Was there ever any
3:24:08mention about normal protocol?
3:24:11>> Not that I can recall.
3:24:12>> Okay. What about once you got in the
3:24:14squad car?
3:24:16>> I don't recall the squad car.
3:24:19>> Okay. And that was recorded for the
3:24:21court to consider.
3:24:23And so she read you your Miranda rights?
3:24:27>> Yes.
3:24:27>> All right.
3:24:34>> Did you answer the questions? I did.
3:24:38>> Did they ever indicate to you that you
3:24:40were a suspect?
3:24:42>> No.
3:24:42>> Did they ever indicate to you that you
3:24:44were a person of interest?
3:24:45>> No.
3:24:46>> Police don't need to tell a suspect that
3:24:48they are a suspect before talking to
3:24:50them. While this should go without
3:24:51saying, unfortunately, it doesn't. That
3:24:53doesn't mean that Sarah was coerced or
3:24:55that the police did anything wrong in
3:24:57this specific case. It also bears
3:24:58mentioning that it should have gone
3:25:00without question that Sarah was a
3:25:01suspect in this case. She was the only
3:25:03one with George when he died. The
3:25:05circumstances of his death were
3:25:06extremely questionable, and she never
3:25:08attempted to resuscitate him, according
3:25:09to responding EMTs. Logic should have
3:25:12told her that she was a suspect, even if
3:25:14the police did not. But logic and basic
3:25:16reasoning are not her strong suit. At
3:25:18trial, I think it'll be likely that her
3:25:19lawyer is going to argue that the police
3:25:21should have informed her that she was a
3:25:23suspect before talking, both at the
3:25:25scene and at the police station. But
3:25:26that is more for the jury's benefit than
3:25:28anything. This is a tactic that defense
3:25:30attorneys often take to try and show
3:25:32that their client was unfairly treated
3:25:34by law enforcement. And usually it's
3:25:36just one of the avenues they go down.
3:25:37They tend to have supplementary evidence
3:25:39that can showcase how their client was
3:25:41treated unfairly or at least present
3:25:43reasonable doubt. But as we stated
3:25:44earlier in this video, the police
3:25:46handled this case extremely well. No
3:25:48body cams were turned off. She was never
3:25:50spoken to outside the presence of a
3:25:51recording device. And it's so heavily
3:25:53documented that if she was to assert
3:25:55that she was treated poorly, the jury
3:25:57can simply watch the tapes and see that
3:25:59that isn't true, which would only
3:26:00supplement the prosecution's argument
3:26:02that Sarah is a liar who will say and do
3:26:04anything to get away with murder.
3:26:07>> Did he ever refer to the video uh videos
3:26:11that you recorded on your phone from the
3:26:12night before? No.
3:26:14>> Were you ever questioned about those
3:26:16videos
3:26:17at the scene?
3:26:18>> I was not.
3:26:22All right. After they finished
3:26:25interviewing you in the unmarked
3:26:26vehicle, were you allowed to get out?
3:26:29>> Yes.
3:26:30>> Were you allowed to leave the scene at
3:26:32that point? [clears throat]
3:26:32>> I was instructed by both to not.
3:26:35>> Okay. And how long did you stay on the
3:26:37scene?
3:26:39>> The entire time.
3:26:41>> How long How long was that? How long did
3:26:43it take before the investigation was
3:26:44completed?
3:26:45>> 10 hours or more.
3:26:47>> Okay.
3:26:48At some point, did they all leave?
3:26:51>> Yes.
3:26:52>> And at some point, did they tell you
3:26:53they were finished with the work there
3:26:55at the scene?
3:26:56>> Yes.
3:26:56>> Okay. What did you do?
3:26:59>> I went inside my apartment and gathered
3:27:02a few things and then I went to my
3:27:04former husband's residence where my son
3:27:06was located.
3:27:08>> All right. And how far was that away?
3:27:11>> About 5 minutes.
3:27:12>> How did you get there?
3:27:13>> I drove.
3:27:14>> Okay.
3:27:16What was the reason that you wanted to
3:27:17stay over there the night?
3:27:19>> Because I was terrified of his family.
3:27:23>> Now, later that evening, you were going
3:27:26to spend the night there with your son
3:27:28and with your ex-husband.
3:27:29>> Correct.
3:27:30>> And did you do that?
3:27:31>> I My son. Yes.
3:27:33>> All right. Later that evening, did you
3:27:35attempt to contact Detective Copsel?
3:27:38>> I did.
3:27:39>> And whose phone did you use?
3:27:41>> Former husband. I know.
3:27:44You said your phone had been seized,
3:27:46>> correct?
3:27:46>> And you had consented to that. You
3:27:48signed a form allowing them to take the
3:27:50phone.
3:27:50>> Yes.
3:27:52>> Have there been any discussion about
3:27:55returning the phone?
3:27:57>> Um, Hope told me she or Loen or both
3:28:00would return back to my apartment to
3:28:03return my phone.
3:28:04>> And when did they tell you this?
3:28:06>> Before they left the scene.
3:28:08>> And did they tell you they would return
3:28:10your phone where? um to myself at the
3:28:13apartment.
3:28:14>> And is that what you understood they
3:28:15were going to do?
3:28:16>> Yes.
3:28:17>> Was there ever any talk about you coming
3:28:19to the sheriff's department that the day
3:28:20of this event?
3:28:21>> No.
3:28:25>> All right. So, later that evening, you
3:28:27borrowed your ex-husband Brian Boon's
3:28:29phone and made a phone call. How did you
3:28:31know Detective Copel's private cell
3:28:34number?
3:28:35>> She gave it to me before she left the
3:28:36scene.
3:28:38>> And did you call her?
3:28:39>> I did.
3:28:40Do you recall about what time you called
3:28:42her?
3:28:43>> I believe it was around 9:30 or 10:00.
3:28:47>> Think that would have been on February
3:28:48the 24th of 2020?
3:28:50>> Yes.
3:28:53>> All right. Can you tell us why you were
3:28:55calling her that night?
3:28:57>> Before she left and giving me her
3:28:59personnel cell phone number, um, she
3:29:01told me if I were to recall anything or
3:29:04if I just wanted to talk to her about
3:29:06something regarding the case for me to
3:29:08call her. So, I took that to heart and
3:29:12felt very uneasy about
3:29:15how they left scene.
3:29:18>> Sustained. Go ahead.
3:29:22>> Um,
3:29:26>> there's no pending question at this
3:29:28time.
3:29:28>> Okay. You you were you were concerned
3:29:31about the case and you wanted to call
3:29:32it.
3:29:33>> Yes.
3:29:35>> And did you did you talk to her?
3:29:37>> Yes. What did you say to her?
3:29:40>> I told her in all honesty that I felt
3:29:42that she was trying to trick
3:29:45>> your statement.
3:29:46>> Sustained.
3:29:49>> Despite the objection being sustained
3:29:51and Sarah not finishing her thought, it
3:29:53was obvious that she was going to say
3:29:54that she called the officer to say that
3:29:56she felt uneasy and thought they were
3:29:58trying to trip her up and pin the blame
3:30:00for George's death on her, which is a
3:30:02very interesting thing to think when she
3:30:03was objectively responsible for what
3:30:05happened. George may have gotten into
3:30:07the suitcase willingly, but she is the
3:30:09one who zipped it up, obstructing his
3:30:10ability to breathe and leading to his
3:30:12death. She also recorded him suffering,
3:30:14openly stating that he was dying and did
3:30:17nothing to render aid. While Florida
3:30:18state law does state that there is no
3:30:20duty to save someone's life or otherwise
3:30:22assist in the event of an emergency,
3:30:24there are obvious exemptions to this,
3:30:26like if you created the danger yourself.
3:30:28So, she was obligated to assist George,
3:30:30meaning legally she is at fault.
3:30:37Did you have a conversation about your
3:30:40phone?
3:30:42>> Um, yes. I asked her
3:30:45>> answered.
3:30:47Overruled.
3:30:49>> You may answer the question. Ma'am,
3:30:51>> I didn't call for a yes or no. She said
3:30:52yes. And now I don't know what's pending
3:30:54and how.
3:30:58>> Did y'all have a discussion about your
3:30:59phone?
3:31:00>> Yes.
3:31:01Can you elaborate on that discussion?
3:31:04>> She told me that I needed to come down
3:31:08to the sheriff's department because she
3:31:11was pregnant and asked me if I
3:31:13remembered about when I was being
3:31:15pregnant and it would just be a lot
3:31:18easier for her if I were to arrive at
3:31:20the sheriff's department to pick up my
3:31:22phone.
3:31:24>> Was there any discussion about you being
3:31:25interrogated at the sheriff's
3:31:27department?
3:31:27>> No. Was your understanding the sole
3:31:30purpose of you going to the sheriff's
3:31:32department the next day was to pick up
3:31:33your phone?
3:31:34>> Yes.
3:31:34>> And the sole reason for the change in
3:31:36plans from them bringing the phone to
3:31:38you was because Detective Copsel was
3:31:40pregnant, not feeling well.
3:31:41>> Correct.
3:31:44>> So the next afternoon, did you drive to
3:31:46the sheriff's department?
3:31:50>> Tell us when you parked your car, where
3:31:53you went, what happened.
3:31:55I parked my car and um left everything
3:31:59as regular in my car and
3:32:02um walked through the front door and
3:32:06um went to the window asking
3:32:09um who I needed to see. and they I guess
3:32:13ranged um them upstairs and Detective
3:32:16Lohan came downstairs and I thought I
3:32:19was supposed to be picking my phone up
3:32:20over at a particular window and he says,
3:32:23"No, your uh phone is upstairs." So, we
3:32:26would just like for you to come upstairs
3:32:28and that's where you can pick up your
3:32:30phone.
3:32:31>> All right. And so, did he escort you
3:32:33upstairs?
3:32:34>> He did.
3:32:35>> How did y'all get upstairs?
3:32:36>> In an elevator.
3:32:38And was he what was he wearing?
3:32:42>> Um I believe he was wearing a red shirt
3:32:45um along with his firearm and black
3:32:48pants.
3:32:49>> His firearm was on his on his waist
3:32:51>> the entire time. Yes.
3:32:52>> Okay.
3:32:53>> By emphasizing the firearm in this line
3:32:55of questioning. Her defenses made it
3:32:57clear that they intend to argue that she
3:32:59was somewhat in fear for her life, that
3:33:01a gun being on the officer's person
3:33:03during the interrogation was done
3:33:04intentionally to make her feel as if she
3:33:06could not leave and that she was in
3:33:08immediate danger. Again, there are cases
3:33:10where a suspect's life is threatened,
3:33:12where they are being treated heinously
3:33:13by the police, and they are repeatedly
3:33:15told that they cannot leave the
3:33:16interview room without giving the
3:33:18interrogator exactly what they want. The
3:33:20one that comes most readily to mind that
3:33:22we've covered is the Norfolk 4, where
3:33:24the lead interrogator repeatedly
3:33:25threatened each one of the men's lives
3:33:27until they confessed. But this is
3:33:29nowhere near the same situation. Neither
3:33:31detective withdrew their weapon. At no
3:33:33point was she threatened, and any
3:33:34conversation with the presence of law
3:33:36enforcement likely occurred with guns
3:33:38actively present. So, while we
3:33:39understand why this would be used to try
3:33:41and bolster their argument, it's a
3:33:43fairly weak point.
3:33:45>> So, you all got off the elevator. Where
3:33:47did you go from there? Um, he brought me
3:33:49into a very small room. Um, and they had
3:33:53me sit down and then from there I had a
3:33:55list of things that I was going to ask
3:33:58them that I might need to do or that I
3:34:00could do.
3:34:01>> This also destroys her argument so
3:34:03completely that I don't know why she
3:34:05would say it during this hearing. Again,
3:34:06their goal is to get the second
3:34:08interview suppressed because she was
3:34:10coerced. They argue that she was tricked
3:34:12into going into the station because she
3:34:13needed to pick up her phone and didn't
3:34:15intend to talk to the police. So when
3:34:17she was placed in an interrogation room,
3:34:19she was made to feel as if she could not
3:34:21leave. But her bringing a list of
3:34:22questions that she had for the police
3:34:24about the case negates that entirely.
3:34:26She obviously wanted to speak with them
3:34:28to have some kind of back and forth and
3:34:30she consented both verbally as well as
3:34:32with the document that she willingly
3:34:34signed.
3:34:36Okay. So from the elevator, Detective
3:34:38Loen escorted you directly into the
3:34:41interview room. And we've got we've got
3:34:43the recording, the audio and the video.
3:34:46Uh y'all you didn't go anywhere else?
3:34:48>> No.
3:34:49>> Prior to that time, was there any
3:34:50discussion that you made outside any
3:34:52discussion between you and either
3:34:54detective
3:34:55uh about
3:34:57anything the phone questioning anything
3:35:00before walking into that room?
3:35:02>> No.
3:35:03>> Okay. So, direct directly off the
3:35:05elevator and walked into the
3:35:07interrogation room. Correct.
3:35:08>> And then we've got the video on that
3:35:12now.
3:35:18You and I have watched the video. Yes.
3:35:21>> Correct. And you've seen the motion
3:35:23where I've referred to the questioning
3:35:24where she asked you to sit down.
3:35:26>> Yes.
3:35:29>> You recall that happening?
3:35:30>> Yes.
3:35:31>> Did that refresh your memory watching
3:35:33the video?
3:35:34>> Yes.
3:35:42Do you recall her saying that she had
3:35:43received the autopsy?
3:35:45>> Yes.
3:35:47>> Do you recall her saying, "I want to
3:35:48read you your rights again because we
3:35:50have to talk about that." Referring to
3:35:53the autopsy.
3:35:54>> Yes.
3:35:56>> This was prior to you being read your
3:35:58mind rights.
3:35:59>> Correct.
3:36:01>> And she also said, "We're not done
3:36:03talking about the incident." You recall
3:36:05that?
3:36:06>> Yes.
3:36:07And then she said, "We just have to do
3:36:08it."
3:36:10>> Yes.
3:36:12>> How did that make you feel?
3:36:14>> Sustained.
3:36:19>> Were you trying to comply with the
3:36:20officer's demands?
3:36:23>> Overruled
3:36:24>> in every way.
3:36:26>> Were you trying to cooperate
3:36:28>> in every way?
3:36:29>> Were you polite with them?
3:36:30>> Very. [clears throat]
3:36:34And when she said that we just have to
3:36:36do it,
3:36:38you said just like we did yesterday.
3:36:40>> Yes.
3:36:41>> And then you said normal protocol.
3:36:44>> Yes.
3:36:46>> Is that what she had said the day
3:36:47before?
3:36:49>> What do you mean
3:36:49>> normal protocol?
3:36:51>> Yes.
3:36:52>> And she had she said the same word.
3:36:54Could you you said normal protocol
3:36:57>> to her? I reiterating to her what she
3:36:59had said to me the day before.
3:37:09So she read the Miranda rightites to you
3:37:12>> except number nine.
3:37:14>> Except number nine. She read the rights
3:37:15and then she said, "Do you understand
3:37:17what I've just read to you?" And you
3:37:19agreed that you had
3:37:20>> Yes.
3:37:21>> But you were not read
3:37:24having these rights in mind. Do you
3:37:26agree to speak to me now?
3:37:29>> Overall,
3:37:30>> I was not asked that question.
3:37:32Is it fair to say that after she read
3:37:34the Miranda rights and after she said,
3:37:36"Do you understand the rights that I've
3:37:38just read to you that she read right
3:37:39into the questioning?"
3:37:41>> She did. Correct.
3:37:42>> So, she never got the answer from you.
3:37:45Do you agree to speak to us now?
3:37:48>> I was never asked that.
3:37:49>> Okay. So, while we understand why this
3:37:51is being asked and repeated, it's such a
3:37:53poor argument that it feels stupid to
3:37:55harp on this point. She was never asked
3:37:57that, but she did sign a paper where it
3:37:59was asked, and she also came into the
3:38:01station with the intention of talking to
3:38:03the police herself. Her list of
3:38:04questions makes that obvious, so the
3:38:06implication that she wouldn't have given
3:38:08her consent to speak to the police had
3:38:10they asked her that last question falls
3:38:12completely flat.
3:38:43The way that she
3:38:45acted, the things that she head.
3:38:53The fact that they had your phone.
3:38:56Did you get Did you get the impression
3:38:58you were not getting your phone back if
3:38:59you didn't answer the questions?
3:39:01>> Judgement irrelevant. She's in custody.
3:39:02>> Sustained.
3:39:03>> She was in custody.
3:39:05>> Yes.
3:39:07>> Yeah. That's been conceded by the state
3:39:09in their response that it was a
3:39:10custodial interrogation.
3:39:11>> Okay. But she wasn't aware of it. She
3:39:13wasn't aware she was in custody. What
3:39:15does her subjective perception matter?
3:39:20>> Well,
3:39:22under the circumstances it would matter.
3:39:24I mean, she she didn't feel she was free
3:39:27to leave. She was in an enclosed small
3:39:30space. Um, she was
3:39:32>> That all goes to whether or not she Let
3:39:34me She was being questioned by two lead
3:39:36detectives, homicide detectives. One of
3:39:38them was wearing a firearm. Um, she was
3:39:41trying to cooperate as best she could. I
3:39:44think her
3:39:47her position is that she was coerced in
3:39:50answering the question.
3:39:51>> What does that have to do with coercion?
3:39:53Those all factors that under Ramirez as
3:39:55to whether or not it was custodial.
3:39:58>> Well, I know some of the factors are
3:40:00whether or not the interrogation
3:40:01actually happens in a police station or
3:40:03not or whether it happens outside a
3:40:05police station. So just that just that
3:40:07environment alone
3:40:08>> that goes to whether or not it was a
3:40:10custodial interrogation
3:40:12>> that I'm not I'm I'm struggling with the
3:40:14connection on that being non-compliance
3:40:16with Miranda coercion or the third round
3:40:20of voluntariness.
3:40:22>> Well, and I think it it goes
3:40:23subjectively to her and what she was
3:40:25feeling if she had a free choice or not
3:40:27based on
3:40:28>> subjectivity matter.
3:40:29>> Excuse me. based on subjectivity matter
3:40:32under the case law
3:40:33>> based on based on the circumstances that
3:40:35she was dealing with at the time whether
3:40:37or not she felt she had a choice.
3:40:39>> But what does her subjectivity have to
3:40:41do with that?
3:40:43>> I I believe it's relevant.
3:40:45>> Objections overruled. I'm sorry. The
3:40:46objection sustained. I apologize.
3:40:48[clears throat]
3:40:52>> Did you understand you were not going to
3:40:54get your phone back until you answered
3:40:56their questions?
3:40:57>> Sustained.
3:41:01Did you have some questions for them at
3:41:03the end?
3:41:04>> I did.
3:41:06>> Did you feel like you had a choice in
3:41:08answering their questions?
3:41:09>> Objection.
3:41:11>> Sustained,
3:41:16ma'am. That day
3:41:21you came to the sheriff's department to
3:41:23get your phone.
3:41:25>> That's Yes. Did you know that you were
3:41:28going to be placed in custody?
3:41:30>> I did not.
3:41:32>> Did you know that you were going to be
3:41:33arrested?
3:41:34>> I did not.
3:41:35>> Did you know that you were going to be
3:41:36questioned?
3:41:37>> I did not.
3:41:39>> Were [clears throat] you trying to
3:41:40cooperate with law enforcement based on
3:41:44her statements that you have to talk to
3:41:46us?
3:41:49>> The rule.
3:41:51Were you there answering her questions
3:41:54because
3:41:57she confirmed that this was normal
3:41:59protocol?
3:42:00>> That was my understanding. Yes,
3:42:02>> that's all the questions I have.
3:42:04>> Any cross-examination? Yes, sir.
3:42:06>> So, Sarah's about to be cross-examined,
3:42:08which again is not normal in emotions
3:42:10hearing. The state has no time to
3:42:12prepare, but Sarah's previous statements
3:42:14have left a lot that they can work with,
3:42:16and it's extremely telling where they
3:42:17immediately go with their questions. But
3:42:19before we get into their short
3:42:20examination of Sarah, let's address what
3:42:22the defense attempted to establish. At
3:42:24the time of recording, it's unknown
3:42:26whether or not they were successful, but
3:42:28based on the judge's reaction, I would
3:42:29venture to say they won't be. They're
3:42:31arguing that based on the totality of
3:42:33circumstances that occurred in this case
3:42:35prior to Sarah being questioned the day
3:42:37after George's death, that the interview
3:42:39itself was coercive and should be
3:42:40suppressed. In order to supplement this
3:42:42argument, she claimed that the morning
3:42:44of the event, she was intoxicated at the
3:42:46scene, that when the interview took
3:42:48place the next day, she had been lied to
3:42:50in order to speak with the police, that
3:42:51the lead investigator didn't read out
3:42:53her full Miranda rights, and that the
3:42:55other detective present during the
3:42:57interview had his weapon visible. The
3:42:58first issue in this argument is that
3:43:00while Sarah was drunk at the scene, that
3:43:02has no effect on how she would have
3:43:03perceived an interview the following
3:43:05day. If you were drunk yesterday and I
3:43:07talked to you today, your perception
3:43:09should not be impaired. Moreover, it's
3:43:11not illegal for the police to lie about
3:43:12the reason about why they want a suspect
3:43:14to come in for questioning. Though
3:43:16defense attorneys will bring up these
3:43:17lies in court as a way to plant the seed
3:43:20that their clients were being railroaded
3:43:21or that the police in these cases are
3:43:23being dishonest, it's not legally wrong.
3:43:25Additionally, despite the last Miranda
3:43:27Wright's question not being read out,
3:43:29Sarah did sign a document where it was
3:43:31present. Her lawyer knows that this is a
3:43:33weak argument and that the interview
3:43:34will likely not be suppressed, but it's
3:43:36his obligation to argue it. He needs to
3:43:38provide Sarah the most effective defense
3:43:40possible so that we can say justice has
3:43:42really been done in this case.
3:43:49>> So that afternoon on February 24th of
3:43:522020 when Deputy Kayla Rodriguez arrived
3:43:56at your residence shortly after 1 p.m.
3:43:58you were under the influence of alcohol.
3:43:59Correct.
3:44:01Earlier, when Sarah claimed that she was
3:44:03still drunk when the cops arrived at her
3:44:05apartment, the prosecution objected due
3:44:07to relevance. However, it's the first
3:44:09thing that he brings up when he gets to
3:44:10question her. And that's because he is
3:44:12attempting to lock in that what occurred
3:44:14in this case was an accident, that she
3:44:16killed George while he was blackout
3:44:17drunk, that her recollection of events
3:44:19cannot be trusted. So, her assertion
3:44:21that she was in fear for her life was
3:44:23false, and that the battered spouse
3:44:24defense does not apply in this case.
3:44:26He's dismantling her own statements as
3:44:28well as showing that her own perception
3:44:30of events cannot be trusted in this
3:44:32case. This is why her taking the stand
3:44:34at this hearing was such a monumentally
3:44:36bad decision. She has given the
3:44:37prosecution so much more to work with
3:44:39simply by opening her mouth. We've said
3:44:41this time and time again while reviewing
3:44:43this case as well as her correspondence
3:44:45with the court, but her refusal to allow
3:44:47her lawyers to simply do their job only
3:44:49makes things worse for her. She has this
3:44:51outstanding belief in herself that
3:44:52borders on delusion because we have
3:44:54never seen her win an argument or make
3:44:56things better for herself. And yet she
3:44:58still contends that she is a genius.
3:45:00That she is the only person in the world
3:45:02whose opinion matters in this case.
3:45:05>> Yes.
3:45:07>> You were impaired by alcohol. Correct.
3:45:10>> I don't know as much as impaired means
3:45:12it did affect. Yes.
3:45:13>> Okay. And that was consumption from the
3:45:16night before. Correct.
3:45:19>> Yes. So, you did not go to brunch that
3:45:21morning and have mimosas or anything
3:45:23else to drink. Correct.
3:45:25>> And you consumed no alcohol in your home
3:45:26that morning, correct?
3:45:30>> So, does that affect in any way your
3:45:33memory when you testify about the events
3:45:35that transpired between you and
3:45:37Detective Copel that afternoon?
3:45:41>> Ask one more time, please. Did the
3:45:43alcohol have any effect on your memory
3:45:46of what happened between you and
3:45:47Detective Copel that afternoon?
3:45:49>> This goes to discredit her perception of
3:45:51events and how she was made to feel.
3:45:53Earlier, she claimed that after the
3:45:55initial conversation that she had with
3:45:56the lead investigator, she felt uneasy
3:45:58about what had happened, like they were
3:46:00trying to unfairly pin the blame for
3:46:02George's death on her and trip her up,
3:46:04so to speak. But if she were drunk at
3:46:05the time of the conversation or hung
3:46:07over, how can she confidently say that
3:46:09her feelings were because the detective
3:46:11did anything wrong?
3:46:14>> Now or then?
3:46:15>> Then
3:46:18>> did alcohol affect my conversation with
3:46:20her?
3:46:22>> There's a jury instruction that says a
3:46:24witness's memory and perception is
3:46:26pertinent. And I'm asking you, did the
3:46:28alcohol that you were under the
3:46:29influence of affect your memory or
3:46:31perception of the events that you've
3:46:32testified to today that you said
3:46:34happened on that afternoon of February
3:46:3624th, 2020?
3:46:38>> Um,
3:46:41so did they affect um
3:46:45>> my answer?
3:46:50I don't think she understands.
3:46:51>> I don't.
3:46:52>> Okay. Okay.
3:46:53>> It's been asked three different ways.
3:46:54>> So, we'll leave it at you were under the
3:46:56influence of alcohol that afternoon.
3:46:57Correct.
3:46:58>> Judge, I think I think she said she
3:47:00didn't know what
3:47:02she said that she had alcohol under the
3:47:05influence or impaired.
3:47:06>> The objection is the court does not
3:47:08entertain speaking objections. The legal
3:47:10grounds need to be provided. What are
3:47:12the legal grounds of your objection?
3:47:17Although that
3:47:21>> she had said she didn't know what
3:47:22>> what are the legal grounds of your
3:47:23objection.
3:47:26>> All right. You may proceed.
3:47:27>> All right. And you understand that
3:47:29you're charged with seconddegree murder
3:47:30in this case. Correct.
3:47:32>> You're facing a potential penalty of
3:47:33life in prison. Correct.
3:47:35>> Do you understand that the score sheet
3:47:37minimum is probably about 22 and a half
3:47:39years?
3:47:40>> I I don't know.
3:47:42>> Okay.
3:47:44And it is your desire to have these
3:47:46statements excluded from the jury's uh
3:47:49consideration. Correct.
3:47:51>> Judge,
3:47:52>> I would object to that.
3:47:54>> Sustain the objection.
3:47:56>> Your intent is to testify differently
3:47:58than you have testified in the
3:47:59statements in states exhibit one.
3:48:02Correct.
3:48:04>> I I would object to that. I'm not
3:48:06understanding what the question
3:48:08>> Mr. Jay
3:48:09>> judge um a witness's bias is always that
3:48:12issue when they take the stand and it's
3:48:14our position that um her credibility for
3:48:17all the things that she has testified to
3:48:19today that particularly the things in
3:48:21conflict with detective Copsel's
3:48:22testimony and the court of course in a
3:48:24motion to suppress has to consider the
3:48:27credibility of the witnesses and you are
3:48:29in the best position to do that. The
3:48:31appellet courts are going to be very
3:48:32differential to you. It's our position
3:48:34that she's biased. She is charged with
3:48:36seconddegree murder. She's facing life
3:48:38in prison. Based on the uh examination
3:48:41that both state attorneys and defense
3:48:43council and the state's expert uh
3:48:46witnessed today, it is the state's
3:48:48belief that she is intending to testify
3:48:50differently than she testified in the
3:48:52statements that she provided to law
3:48:53enforcement in states exhibit one. and
3:48:56therefore she is biased in all the
3:48:59things that she's testified about today
3:49:00because it is her intent to get this
3:49:02statement um all these statements or the
3:49:05statement on 225 thrown out um so that
3:49:08she is not going to be cross-examined
3:49:10impeached with it so that she can
3:49:11testify the way that she testified this
3:49:14afternoon. Response
3:49:15>> judge I agree with the impeachment about
3:49:18being under influence. I agree with the
3:49:21impeachment about what she's facing that
3:49:24she may be biased because she's facing
3:49:26potentially life in prison claims 22
3:49:28years on the low end. I I agree with all
3:49:31that. Uh we just got through at the jail
3:49:36meeting with the state's expert who
3:49:38evaluated Sarah Boon. I was present. Uh
3:49:42the two prosecutors were present. It
3:49:44wasn't recorded. He can't be a witness.
3:49:48Now, if he's going to question her about
3:49:50what was said during that evaluation,
3:49:53then he's pushing himself
3:49:54[clears throat] potentially to be a
3:49:55witness down the road. I don't think
3:49:57that's proper cross-examination about
3:49:59what she said versus
3:50:03what he's saying here.
3:50:04>> Anything further, Mr. J?
3:50:06>> I am not specifically asking her what
3:50:08she said that was different. Um, and
3:50:11obviously if I did and uh she testified
3:50:13differently, I would have to accept that
3:50:15answer. There's no way for me to
3:50:17extrinsically uh impeach her with that
3:50:19due to the brevity of the time frame
3:50:21that we have all been subjected to. Um
3:50:24but I do believe it's a fair question to
3:50:26ask her whether or not she intends to
3:50:28testify differently um than her
3:50:30statements that are in states exhibit
3:50:32one and consistently with how she
3:50:33testified this afternoon and that she
3:50:35understands it would benefit her if
3:50:36these statements are excluded.
3:50:38>> So I'm going to sustain the objection
3:50:39based on how the question was asked.
3:50:41I'll allow you to revisit it based on
3:50:42how you just explained it to me.
3:50:45>> [clears throat]
3:50:45>> You gave uh statements to an evaluator
3:50:49this afternoon, did you not?
3:50:50>> I did.
3:50:51>> All right. And without going into the
3:50:53details, um would you agree that there
3:50:56are some differences in those statements
3:50:57as to what is in the statements you
3:50:59provided to law enforcement on February
3:51:0125th of 2020?
3:51:02>> Yes.
3:51:04>> And you understand that I would be able
3:51:06to cross-examine you on giving
3:51:08inconsistent statements at trial if you
3:51:10take the stand. Correct.
3:51:11>> I understand. And so you understand the
3:51:13benefit of this motion to suppress being
3:51:15granted.
3:51:17>> Of course,
3:51:18>> that last segment was a lot, so let's
3:51:20break it down. The prosecution is
3:51:22essentially arguing that Sarah had an
3:51:23absurd bias in this case based solely on
3:51:26the fact that her future hangs in the
3:51:28balance. With that in mind, she has the
3:51:30motive to lie and change her story based
3:51:31upon what she thinks will lead to her
3:51:33release. And they are arguing that the
3:51:35continued shifting of her statements
3:51:36showcases that. I will leave a link in
3:51:38the description box down below to the
3:51:40remainder of the footage from this
3:51:41hearing. But as Sarah's time on the
3:51:43stand has come to an end, we will leave
3:51:45it there. Let us know what you thought
3:51:46of her testimony here. Do you think she
3:51:48helped her case? Why or why not? And let
3:51:50us know if you think her counsel will be
3:51:52able to successfully argue the battered
3:51:54spouse defense. I'll be watching this
3:51:55trial live, likely on Law and Crime or
3:51:58Court TV. So, we hope to see you there
3:52:00as well.
3:52:02Goodbye. Oh no, the video's coming to an
3:52:04end. Despite arguing with her previous
3:52:07lawyers about using this defense, Sarah
3:52:10would relent and allow her final
3:52:11attorney, James Owen, to launder a
3:52:13battered woman syndrome argument to the
3:52:15court. According to the Office of
3:52:17Justice Programs website, a battered
3:52:19woman syndrome defense argues, quote,
3:52:21that a battered woman is virtually held
3:52:23hostage in a violent household by a man
3:52:25who isolates and terrorizes her,
3:52:27convincing her that if she leaves, he
3:52:29will track her down and kill her. The
3:52:31American Psychiatric Association
3:52:33conceptualizes BWS as the development of
3:52:36a set of personality attributes brought
3:52:38on by abuse that render the victim more
3:52:40able to survive in the relationship and
3:52:42less able to escape it. Three components
3:52:44of BWS include behavior brought on by
3:52:46victimization, learned helplessness
3:52:48behavior, and self-destructive coping
3:52:50behavior. because battered and non-
3:52:52battered women are not significantly
3:52:54different, expert testimony during a
3:52:56trial should focus on the impact of
3:52:58violence and the women's perception of
3:52:59threat." Owens had Boon meet with
3:53:02psychologists and experts in order to
3:53:04substantiate this defense. But
3:53:06surprisingly, days before the trial was
3:53:08set to state, the prosecution approached
3:53:10Sarah with a deal. If she were to plead
3:53:12guilty to a lesser charge of
3:53:13manslaughter, they would reduce her
3:53:15potential sentence to just 15 years in
3:53:17prison, 7 years less than the minimum
3:53:19sentence for seconddegree murder. This
3:53:21would include the time served, meaning
3:53:23she would only be in prison for 8 years
3:53:25at most. But Sarah rejected the deal
3:53:27outright. She believed that she could
3:53:29outmaneuver the case against her. That
3:53:31once the men and women of the jury heard
3:53:33what she had to say when she took the
3:53:34stand, that they would be on her side
3:53:36and she would walk out of court a free
3:53:38woman and be able to take the justice
3:53:40system to task for what they had done to
3:53:42her. We can say that confidently as she
3:53:44said as much in every one of her
3:53:46letters. Her defense rested entirely on
3:53:48her time on the stand. But before we
3:53:50delve into that, we need to discuss the
3:53:52key issues with her defense. The first
3:53:54issue is that so much of it relies on
3:53:56Sarah's testimony. And she had obviously
3:53:58lied throughout the course of the
3:53:59investigation. She lied to the 911
3:54:01operator. She lied to the first
3:54:03responders. She lied to the lead
3:54:04detectives both at the scene and in the
3:54:07interrogation the day after. And in the
3:54:09time she'd been in prison, she lied in
3:54:11her letters about various aspects of the
3:54:12case against her, as well as about her
3:54:14lawyer's behavior and her ex-husband.
3:54:16The prosecution would have very little
3:54:18trouble showcasing that Sarah was an
3:54:20untrustworthy individual based on that
3:54:22alone. In fact, based on the numerous
3:54:24lies she had told in the over four years
3:54:26she had been in prison, the prosecution
3:54:28could easily showcase that Sarah said
3:54:30whatever she thought would benefit her
3:54:31in the moment, even if those things
3:54:33contradict each other. Secondly, when
3:54:35Sarah spoke to the police in the
3:54:37interrogation, she had made no mention
3:54:39of using the suitcase as a way to stop
3:54:41George from harming her and actively
3:54:43downplayed the abuse. Instead, she
3:54:45repeated that his death had been
3:54:47unintentional because she didn't think
3:54:48he would be unable to get himself out.
3:54:50If she had used the suitcase to restrain
3:54:52her abuser and left him in there in
3:54:54order to feel safe, why hadn't she said
3:54:56as much when she was given the space to?
3:54:58In fact, in the interrogation, the
3:55:00interviewers put that narrative forward
3:55:02as part of their strategy. But even
3:55:04then, Sarah didn't change her story. She
3:55:06maintained that it had been an accident,
3:55:08that they had just been playing, and
3:55:09that she wasn't responsible. Another
3:55:11issue that the defense would no doubt
3:55:13run into is the fact that very few
3:55:15people would be able to believe that
3:55:16Sarah felt that her life was in any sort
3:55:18of danger in this scenario. Though it's
3:55:20objectively true that George had abused
3:55:22Sarah, their defense relies on the fact
3:55:24that while he was trapped in a suitcase
3:55:26pleading for his life, repeatedly
3:55:28stating that he couldn't breathe and
3:55:29begging Sarah to let him out that she
3:55:31felt like she was in imminent danger.
3:55:33We've already played the video of him in
3:55:35a suitcase and you heard her response to
3:55:37his please, mocking and belittling him.
3:55:39No rational person would believe that
3:55:41this is a voice of fear. Moreover, it
3:55:44would be exceedingly difficult to get a
3:55:46person to believe that she didn't intend
3:55:47for him to perish after leaving him in
3:55:49the bag for over 12 hours. Additionally,
3:55:52Sarah would change her story on the
3:55:54stand to state that she took measures to
3:55:56ensure that George was not able to leave
3:55:58the suitcase by both flipping it over
3:56:00and hitting the suitcase with a baseball
3:56:01bat. It would then be reasonable to
3:56:03assume that she knew he was going to
3:56:05die. But Sarah sincerely believed that
3:56:07when she took the stand, she would be
3:56:09able to easily handwave all these
3:56:10issues, that she was so compelling and
3:56:12charismatic that by the time she left
3:56:14the stand, the jury would retire and
3:56:16feel as if she'd been unfairly
3:56:18penalized. So, let's see if she was
3:56:19successful.
3:56:34Please swear or testimony you should
3:56:36give the truth truth and nothing but the
3:56:39truth. I hope you got
3:56:40>> I do.
3:56:41>> All right, ma'am. You could take a seat
3:56:43and if you could state and spell your
3:56:45name for the record for us.
3:56:49>> Sarah Boon 101077.
3:56:51>> And could you spell your name?
3:56:53>> S A R A H B E O O N E.
3:56:56>> All right. Thank you very much, sir. You
3:56:58may inquire.
3:56:59>> Miss Boon, would you please uh tell the
3:57:02jury where you were born and raised?
3:57:04>> Atlanta, Georgia.
3:57:06>> You were born in Atlanta.
3:57:07>> I was born in Atlanta.
3:57:08>> And how long did you stay in Atlanta
3:57:10before you moved here to Florida?
3:57:12>> I was three years old. Three or four.
3:57:15>> Okay. And um from that time, y'all
3:57:18moved. You and your family, your mother
3:57:20and father moved to Orlando.
3:57:22>> And my grandparents.
3:57:23>> Okay. You all moved down from Atlanta
3:57:26down to Orlando?
3:57:27>> Yes. And my two brothers.
3:57:28>> Okay. And uh did you were you raised
3:57:31here essentially from that time on?
3:57:33>> Yes.
3:57:33>> And you resided here in Orange County,
3:57:35Florida that entire time?
3:57:36>> Yes.
3:57:37>> Okay. And uh where did did you go to
3:57:40high school here locally?
3:57:41>> I did.
3:57:42>> Where did you go to high school?
3:57:43>> Edgewater.
3:57:44>> Okay. And tell the jury uh how old were
3:57:46you when you graduated?
3:57:48>> I was 18 years old. Now, I know you lost
3:57:51your mother and father
3:57:53over
3:57:55>> pausing briefly, but let's assess what's
3:57:57been established so far. Sarah is being
3:57:59fairly direct in her answers, giving
3:58:01quick responses with an even tone.
3:58:03Notably, though, when she is asked what
3:58:05age she graduated from high school, she
3:58:07takes a moment to stare at the jury, as
3:58:09if graduating at the age of 18 is
3:58:11uncommon or worthy of praise. As a
3:58:13reminder for those who have not watched
3:58:15her interrogation or read her letters to
3:58:17the court, despite her age and being
3:58:18multiple decades outside of her high
3:58:20school career, Sarah would boast about
3:58:22her time in school as if it were
3:58:24relevant to her life today. She would
3:58:26talk about her high GPA, how she got all
3:58:28A's and how she was very impressive as a
3:58:31student. Sarah seemed to believe her
3:58:32high school accomplishments were more
3:58:34important than the things she had done
3:58:35recently, like abandoning her son
3:58:37repeatedly due to her alcoholism. Based
3:58:39on her behavior and tone, she doesn't
3:58:41appear nervous for the questioning,
3:58:43which is in line with her previous
3:58:45statements. Despite the large hurdles
3:58:47she will have to overcome in her time on
3:58:48the stand, she feels confident that
3:58:50she'll be able to talk her way out of
3:58:52the situation. In our previous
3:58:53[clears throat] coverage of Sarah, we've
3:58:54discussed how her confidence borders on
3:58:56delusion given that she has never been
3:58:58successful as far as we have seen. Her
3:59:00behavior has lost her lawyers and hurt
3:59:02her case irreparably, but she still
3:59:04sincerely believes that everything that
3:59:06has occurred has either been someone
3:59:08else's fault or completely unrelated to
3:59:10her actions.
3:59:12>> I know you lost your mother and father
3:59:13in your teens and in your 20s. Is that
3:59:16true? I lost my grandfather when I was a
3:59:19sophomore in high school and I lost my
3:59:21father when I was a senior and then uh
3:59:24my mother passed away a few years after
3:59:28that and then my grandmother passed away
3:59:30after my mother died.
3:59:31>> Pausing once again, Sarah has begun to
3:59:33give a few more details in her answers.
3:59:36Even though those details don't
3:59:37necessarily pertain to what is being
3:59:39asked of her, the jury gains nothing
3:59:41from knowing when her parents died or
3:59:43the added details about when her
3:59:44grandparents died. But Sarah takes the
3:59:46time to look over at the jury while
3:59:48talking about this, as if to endear
3:59:50herself to them. She's talking about
3:59:51losing her support system, which is
3:59:53normally something people would feel
3:59:55sympathy for. But in this case, it rings
3:59:57a bit hollow. Namely, because it would
3:59:59have happened decades ago, and because
4:00:01it has nothing to do with the case we're
4:00:03discussing today. Moreover, Sarah does
4:00:05not appear emotionally affected by their
4:00:07deaths. But continuing on.
4:00:10>> All right. So, you were in your 20s when
4:00:12all that was going on?
4:00:14>> Yes. Okay. And then at some point in
4:00:17your 20s, you met Brian Boon?
4:00:20>> I did. Yes.
4:00:21>> All right. And did uh how long did y'all
4:00:23date before you married?
4:00:24>> Um
4:00:27a good handful of years. My I helped my
4:00:30family with paying mortgage and bills
4:00:33for the house since my father had passed
4:00:35away and my grandfather. So, um
4:00:38>> So, you worked outside the home?
4:00:40>> I did.
4:00:41>> Okay. Can you tell the jury when you
4:00:44said you and Brian Boon um dated for a
4:00:47while? Do you remember uh when y'all
4:00:49married?
4:00:50>> I do.
4:00:50>> Could you tell the jury when y'all were
4:00:52married?
4:00:53>> The year.
4:00:53>> Yeah.
4:00:55>> Um
4:00:56>> do you remember the date?
4:00:57>> It happened to be. Yes. That after my
4:00:59mother passed away that he had waited to
4:01:01ask me to marry him because he knew it
4:01:03would be um
4:01:05>> not responsive.
4:01:06>> Sustained.
4:01:08>> Just just answer the question if you
4:01:10can. Miss B. Are you are you a little
4:01:12bit nervous?
4:01:13>> A little bit.
4:01:13>> Okay. Well, just just tell the jury if
4:01:16you remember the date that you and Brian
4:01:17Boon married.
4:01:19>> Some of the audio is a bit hard to hear,
4:01:20but the objection was that Sarah was
4:01:22being unresponsive and she has begun to
4:01:24discuss why Brian had waited to propose
4:01:26to her. In our coverage of other cases
4:01:28where a subject has taken the stand in
4:01:30their own defense, we always notate how
4:01:32they respond to objections, particularly
4:01:35objections that are sustained. When the
4:01:37prosecution objected earlier, it was
4:01:39overruled. and Sarah looked at the judge
4:01:41before smirking a bit at the prosecuting
4:01:43attorney. The response was small and
4:01:45seemed a bit smug. However, here when
4:01:47the objection is made, Sarah's eyes snap
4:01:49over the prosecution in an annoyed death
4:01:51stare. Though her own attorney gives her
4:01:53an out as to why her answer wasn't
4:01:55responsive, Sarah has shown time and
4:01:57time again that she doesn't respond well
4:01:58to being interrupted or talked over or
4:02:01being told that she's doing something
4:02:02wrong.
4:02:04>> August 21st, 2004.
4:02:06>> Okay. And had y'all lived with each
4:02:07other for a little a short time before
4:02:10that?
4:02:10>> Short time.
4:02:11>> Yes. Okay. After you married, how long
4:02:14was it before y'all had any children?
4:02:17>> Um
4:02:18gosh,
4:02:20six years.
4:02:21>> Okay. And y'all y'all have one son?
4:02:24>> Yes.
4:02:25>> What's his name?
4:02:26>> Lucas.
4:02:27>> And how old is Lucas now?
4:02:28>> Lucas will be 14 years old on the 28th.
4:02:31>> 28th of this month.
4:02:32>> Yes.
4:02:33>> Okay.
4:02:34So, you and Brian um were married and
4:02:38y'all lived in Orange County.
4:02:40>> How long were y'all married?
4:02:41>> For 13 years.
4:02:43>> All right. And y'all divorced?
4:02:45>> Yes.
4:02:46>> And as part of the divorce, were y'all
4:02:48to share custody of your son?
4:02:50>> Yes.
4:02:51>> They were supposed to share custody, but
4:02:53due to Sarah's drinking, she would often
4:02:55call Brian and state that she couldn't
4:02:56take him during her scheduled visits, or
4:02:59she would have him pick their son up
4:03:00early. Brian would relay to the
4:03:02detectives that he was more or less on
4:03:04call whenever Sarah was taking care of
4:03:06Lucas because she rarely got through her
4:03:08time with him without endangering his
4:03:09life.
4:03:12>> And so y'all would split days. Would
4:03:14that be fair to say?
4:03:15>> Yes.
4:03:15>> Okay. At some time after you and Brian
4:03:18split up, did you meet uh George Torres?
4:03:23>> Yes.
4:03:23>> All right. Could you tell the jury how
4:03:25you met George Torres?
4:03:27>> Um I met George when
4:03:30I decided to
4:03:33buck up, I guess, and was tired of
4:03:37trying to patch things up with my
4:03:39ex-husband. And I decided to go one day
4:03:43for a walk across the street and go have
4:03:46a beer by myself and sit in people watch
4:03:48just to get out of my house and a change
4:03:51of scenery.
4:03:52>> All right. Now, this is is this your
4:03:54apartment?
4:03:55>> No, this is the marital home.
4:03:57>> Okay. According to Brian, Sarah had been
4:04:00seeing George prior to their divorce and
4:04:03had actively cheated on him while drunk
4:04:05during their marriage. She would also
4:04:06routinely go to that bar after the birth
4:04:08of their son in the middle of the day
4:04:10and stayed there till closing. However,
4:04:12she presents this information in a
4:04:14distorted way. Instead of acknowledging
4:04:16that the marriage ended due to her
4:04:17drinking, or that Brian had attempted to
4:04:19make their relationship work for years
4:04:21while she struggled, only ending it when
4:04:23she endangered their son, she puts the
4:04:25onus of responsibility for its demise on
4:04:27Brian and asserts that she had fought
4:04:29for the relationship. This framing makes
4:04:31the end of their relationship the fault
4:04:33of Brian and not her, making it seem as
4:04:35if he was unwilling to stay with her
4:04:37even though they had a child together.
4:04:39Though she doesn't say anything more
4:04:40than that, the implication would instill
4:04:42the idea of Brian being a bad husband
4:04:44and father, abandoning his wife for some
4:04:46unknown reason. Was he cheating? Did he
4:04:49leave her for a younger woman? We don't
4:04:51know. And Sarah is being purposely vague
4:04:53on that point in order to put the fault
4:04:55squarely on his shoulders. Most people
4:04:57know at least one woman whose husband
4:04:59left them for a less than noble reason,
4:05:01which is why this framing is effective.
4:05:02If you knew nothing about this case or
4:05:04Sarah's past actions, the majority of
4:05:06people would give her the benefit of the
4:05:08doubt. Even though it's an incredibly
4:05:09dishonest way to frame the situation,
4:05:11Sarah had not tried to fix their
4:05:13relationship. She refused to get help
4:05:15with her drinking, and Brian eventually
4:05:17had to put his foot down. She then
4:05:19frames herself going to the bar as being
4:05:21her trying to put herself out there, as
4:05:23if she'd been fighting to save the
4:05:25relationship and had isolated herself
4:05:27from the wider world due to Brian's
4:05:29influence. that this would be a big way
4:05:30of her making her return to dating,
4:05:32going to a bar in the middle of the day.
4:05:34This is likely how Sarah recalls the
4:05:36marriage ending and the story she tells
4:05:38herself about what happened. Because, as
4:05:40she is displayed throughout the case,
4:05:42nothing is ever her fault. She's
4:05:44allergic to personal responsibility. And
4:05:46therefore, when her marriage ended
4:05:47because of her drinking and alcoholism,
4:05:49she made up a new story, one where she
4:05:51was fighting for the relationship
4:05:53against a cruel man who refused to work
4:05:55on things. Even though Brian's actions
4:05:57have shown otherwise, Sarah's own
4:05:59statements contradict her claims here,
4:06:01as she stated that she called Brian
4:06:03almost every day for help with their
4:06:05son, her life, and George. He was the
4:06:07first person she called when George
4:06:09died. And he even went so far as to
4:06:11state that he hadn't been allowed to
4:06:12move on from their relationship given
4:06:14her antics. So to frame the disillusion
4:06:16of their marriage as being because he
4:06:18didn't want to work on things is
4:06:20disrespectful, dishonest, and
4:06:22demonstrabably false.
4:06:25Where is that marital home?
4:06:27>> Winter Park.
4:06:28>> You're no longer living in that marital
4:06:30home?
4:06:31>> No.
4:06:31>> Who lives in the marital home?
4:06:33>> Um, no. When it has been sold.
4:06:35>> Okay.
4:06:36So, this you met George Torres before
4:06:38you got the apartment?
4:06:40>> Yes.
4:06:41>> Okay. And you met him at a bar across
4:06:43the street from the Marital home?
4:06:45>> Yes, we had a mutual friend there.
4:06:47>> Were you introduced?
4:06:48>> Yes.
4:06:49>> All right. How did you and George
4:06:52um get along when y'all first met?
4:06:56>> Um very well. It was
4:06:59um
4:07:02it was strange how quickly we hit things
4:07:05off and had so much in common. And um
4:07:10I never thought that he would be
4:07:12interested in someone like me and I
4:07:16just couldn't believe that he was
4:07:18actually interested in me. and said a
4:07:20lot of nice things and um
4:07:231 hour ended up being four hours um from
4:07:26when we had first met and then we would
4:07:27always have something to talk about.
4:07:29>> Why why couldn't you believe that he
4:07:31would be interested in you?
4:07:34>> Um he was very handsome. Um he was very
4:07:37funny. Um,
4:07:41he was smart and I [clears throat]
4:07:45would show up in workout clothes and
4:07:47disheveled hair and I guess I kind of
4:07:50felt broken from being in the process of
4:07:52the divorce that he knew about. But then
4:07:54one of the things that we could relate
4:07:56also was the fact that he was here in
4:07:57Florida because he had just been
4:07:59divorced from his second wife. So that
4:08:02was another um topic that he and I could
4:08:05compare notes on.
4:08:08So eventually the divorce was settled,
4:08:10did you get your own place?
4:08:12>> Yes.
4:08:14>> Is it fair to say that
4:08:17after you
4:08:20at first you lived in your your parents
4:08:22home, correct?
4:08:23>> Yes. Until I was married.
4:08:25>> And then you moved directly in with
4:08:26Brian.
4:08:27>> Yes.
4:08:28>> And then y'all lived in the marital
4:08:29home, correct?
4:08:30>> Yes.
4:08:31>> And then you got this apartment.
4:08:33>> Yes. So that was the first time in your
4:08:35life that you actually had your old
4:08:36place?
4:08:37>> Yes.
4:08:37>> And what was the address?
4:08:40>> 4748
4:08:41France Court, apartment number three.
4:08:44>> And what city is that in?
4:08:45>> It's in Water Park.
4:08:47>> How far is that from here?
4:08:50>> 20 minutes.
4:08:50>> Okay.
4:08:52So you got that apartment and uh
4:08:55initially were you by yourself?
4:08:58>> Um no.
4:08:58>> All right. Tell tell the jury.
4:09:01Um, in the almost year about 10 months
4:09:05of separation from Brian, my ex-husband,
4:09:09that is the time when I met uh George,
4:09:12and my ex-husband was trying to buy me
4:09:15out or force me out of our marital home.
4:09:18>> Sorry for pausing in the middle of her
4:09:19answer, but again, she takes time to add
4:09:22unnecessary and frankly disparaging
4:09:24remarks towards Brian. For those of you
4:09:26who are unaware, shortly after Sarah was
4:09:28arrested, Brian stopped paying alimony.
4:09:30He felt the circumstances had changed
4:09:32and that he no longer should have to pay
4:09:34and the matter is being argued in
4:09:35divorce court. We covered one of the
4:09:37letters from this case over on Patreon,
4:09:40but given the documents in this case
4:09:41have not been made public, we have
4:09:43little to go off of. However,
4:09:44unsurprisingly, it seems that Sarah has
4:09:46had multiple of her attorneys withdraw
4:09:48from the case. But since Brian had
4:09:50stopped paying alimony and allowing
4:09:52Sarah to see their son, she has taken
4:09:54every opportunity she can to disparrage
4:09:56him. To be clear, we don't know Brian.
4:09:58We have no affiliation with the man and
4:10:00we gain nothing by defending him.
4:10:02However, through the research into the
4:10:03case, it seems obvious that he was
4:10:05nothing if not a deeply dedicated
4:10:07husband to an extremely sad degree. He
4:10:09went above and beyond for her and it
4:10:11would make sense why he would stop
4:10:12wanting to pay alimony while she was
4:10:14awaiting trial. But that is unacceptable
4:10:16to Sarah. She's made it clear that she
4:10:18views all of her actions as being
4:10:20righteous and any action that she
4:10:21perceived as being against her is just
4:10:23unjust. It doesn't matter that Brian
4:10:25tried to make their relationship work
4:10:27for years. It doesn't matter that he
4:10:29bent over backwards to take over
4:10:31whenever Sarah was too inebriated to
4:10:33take care of their child or that he went
4:10:35out of his way to help her for over a
4:10:36decade. He is now the antagonist in her
4:10:39life. She's trying to frame him buying
4:10:41her out of the marital home as being him
4:10:43kicking her out for no reason when that
4:10:45is far from the case.
4:10:47>> And I needed to find somewhere to live.
4:10:50And um
4:10:52>> so did you did you and George agree to
4:10:54rent the apartment?
4:10:55>> Yes. One of the I needed extra income.
4:10:59We could not afford it um just on my
4:11:02own.
4:11:02>> You were receiving some income from the
4:11:04the marriage settlement, were you not?
4:11:06>> Yes.
4:11:07>> So you you did have a consistent monthly
4:11:09income coming in from the uh settle
4:11:12marriage settlement
4:11:13>> for the most part. Yes.
4:11:15>> But you needed you needed more to to uh
4:11:17live.
4:11:18>> Yes. Yes. To pay the bills and for rent.
4:11:20>> So, did you and George have some
4:11:22agreement?
4:11:22>> We did.
4:11:23>> All right. What was the agreement?
4:11:24>> The agreement was that if I decided um
4:11:28for he and I to live with one another
4:11:30because it would be under my name that
4:11:32he would help with the monthly bills and
4:11:36on a regular basis where it wouldn't be
4:11:38something that I would have to argue
4:11:39with him about. It would just be an
4:11:40automatic um make sure that everything's
4:11:43paid first and then from there hopefully
4:11:45have some fun with it.
4:11:46>> Okay. And so I understand from that
4:11:49point on,
4:11:52um, would it be fair to say that y'all
4:11:55saw each other on and off for about the
4:11:59next three and a half years?
4:12:02>> No. Um, we were I I would consider us a
4:12:07couple. At some point, he asked me to
4:12:09marry him.
4:12:10>> Okay. But y'all y'all did have times
4:12:13where he left and went to live with his
4:12:14parents.
4:12:15>> Yes.
4:12:15>> Is that Is that fair? Yes,
4:12:17>> Sarah is being needlessly pedantic in
4:12:19her response, which doesn't serve her in
4:12:21the slightest. Their relationship was
4:12:23fraught with abuse, and they would break
4:12:25up multiple times in their years
4:12:26together. George would go live with his
4:12:28parents. She would kick him out, and
4:12:30sometimes she would call Brian and ask
4:12:32to stay over to get away from him.
4:12:34Saying their relationship was on and off
4:12:36is not only honest, but benefits her
4:12:38defense. But for some reason, Sarah
4:12:40seems opposed to that narrative and
4:12:42corrects her defense attorney, saying
4:12:44that they were a couple the entire time,
4:12:46and he even asked her to marry him.
4:12:48Something about the assertion that their
4:12:50relationship was on and off again
4:12:51offends Sarah. This insistence that the
4:12:54relationship was imperfect in any way
4:12:56that she has not already put forward
4:12:58likely feels like a slight against her.
4:13:00Going back to her aversion to personal
4:13:02responsibility, in her own statements,
4:13:04she would repeatedly downplay anyone
4:13:06else's interpretation of events if they
4:13:08didn't immediately line up with hers.
4:13:10The idea that George, Brian, or even the
4:13:12police could assess things in a
4:13:13different way or simply phrase them in a
4:13:15way she didn't approve of was viewed as
4:13:17an insult, if not an outright act of
4:13:19aggression. Moreover, Sarah's legal team
4:13:22would likely have gone over their
4:13:23questions with her prior to the trial,
4:13:25even on the time crunch. So for her to
4:13:27respond so adversely now makes very
4:13:29little sense.
4:13:31>> And there were times where uh there was
4:13:35an understanding that y'all were going
4:13:36to break up
4:13:39>> multiple times.
4:13:40>> Okay.
4:13:42All right. So
4:13:45again on again off again.
4:13:47>> Yes. This was actually before we had our
4:13:49um apartment. That was I guess our
4:13:52dating phase.
4:13:54>> Okay.
4:13:55So here Sarah agrees that they broke up
4:13:58multiple times, that they would end
4:13:59their relationship only to get back
4:14:01together a few days later and then said
4:14:03that occurred before they lived together
4:14:05and was just in their dating phase,
4:14:07which makes her need to correct her own
4:14:08attorney feel strange again. Something
4:14:11about how he phrased the question might
4:14:12have felt insulting to her.
4:14:15>> So y'all were together for three and a
4:14:16half years. Is that fair?
4:14:18>> Yes.
4:14:19>> And y'all had actually agreed to marry?
4:14:23>> He had asked me yes. um a couple of
4:14:25times to marry him and one time I agreed
4:14:28to. Yes.
4:14:29>> Okay.
4:14:31Now, I want to get directly to the date
4:14:34of this event so that the jury can hear
4:14:38your testimony. All right. So, tell us I
4:14:42believe the date is February the 23rd of
4:14:452020.
4:14:48Explain to the jury that whole day from
4:14:50the time y'all got up the whole thing.
4:14:55approach.
4:16:00While the lawyers are arguing and Sarah
4:16:02waits on the stand, she repeatedly
4:16:03smiles and smirks at those watching the
4:16:05court. She's acting as if she's doing a
4:16:07terrific job or as if the state's case
4:16:10against her is weak. Neither of which is
4:16:12true, which is why the case is so
4:16:13compelling. The details of the case are
4:16:15cut and dry. Sarah was drunk. She locked
4:16:17her boyfriend in a suitcase and he died.
4:16:19She claimed it was accidental, but there
4:16:21is a video on her phone goating him as
4:16:23he pleads for his life. But even if that
4:16:25video wasn't there, she would still be
4:16:27responsible for his death based solely
4:16:29on her version of events. And yet, she
4:16:31believes that she will walk out of the
4:16:33trial a free woman, that she is
4:16:35destroying the prosecution every time
4:16:36she opens her mouth, and that everyone
4:16:38watching is on her side. Obviously,
4:16:40that's not the case, but the fact that
4:16:42she so firmly believes it makes her
4:16:44fascinating to watch.
4:16:48>> Objections overruled for now.
4:16:53Now, Miss Boon, let's just instead of
4:16:57one long speech, let me break you up
4:17:00over the course of the day. So, do you
4:17:02remember the date of February 23rd,
4:17:042020?
4:17:05>> Yes.
4:17:06>> Do you remember getting up?
4:17:08>> Yes.
4:17:09>> All right. Just tell the jury about that
4:17:10morning. What y'all did that morning?
4:17:12What you and George, you and George
4:17:14spent the night together at at the
4:17:16apartment.
4:17:17>> Yes. At that point, he was living there.
4:17:19>> Yes. So, y'all slept in the bed together
4:17:22upstairs
4:17:24February. So, you got you would have
4:17:26gotten up. Y'all would have gotten up
4:17:27that morning. February 23rd of 2020.
4:17:30>> Note how vivid her memory is when she
4:17:32discusses the day during direct
4:17:34examination. This will become important
4:17:36during cross-examination.
4:17:38Yes.
4:17:39>> All right. Tell the jury what happened
4:17:40when y'all got up.
4:17:42>> Um, he was already downstairs and I went
4:17:47downstairs and he wanted to start the
4:17:50day off by drinking because it was a day
4:17:52off from his job and I talked him into
4:17:58cleaning and tidying up the house for a
4:18:00sense of accomplishment. Um, so that is
4:18:02what we did um for however long that it
4:18:06took. Um, so we did tidy up the house
4:18:09and got everything in order and it was
4:18:12kind of a reward, I guess, to be able to
4:18:14sit and enjoy ourselves and um, sit on
4:18:18the back porch.
4:18:19>> So, in Sarah's recollection of the day,
4:18:21George wanted a drink from the moment he
4:18:23got up, but she had to convince him to
4:18:25clean the home first. She deliberately
4:18:27frames the situation as her trying to
4:18:29gentle parent him, using alcohol as a
4:18:31reward, as if she too didn't struggle
4:18:33with alcoholism. The only issue with
4:18:35this version of events is the fact that
4:18:37we know based on Brian Boon's statement
4:18:40and earlier testimony that Sarah often
4:18:42began drinking from the moment she got
4:18:44up. Most of her next door neighbors
4:18:45would state that it didn't matter what
4:18:47time of day it was, morning, afternoon,
4:18:49or night. Sarah and George were always
4:18:51drunk, but Sarah presents herself as the
4:18:53more composed of the two, that she had a
4:18:55better head on her shoulders than
4:18:57George, and that her problem wasn't
4:18:58nearly as bad as his. To be clear, the
4:19:01idea that either party said that they
4:19:02wanted a drink and the other person said
4:19:04no is absurd.
4:19:07>> All right. What do you mean by cleaning
4:19:08up the house? What did you all do?
4:19:10>> Um, we swept and mopped. We folded some
4:19:13of the laundry. Um, I know that we did
4:19:15the dishes. Um, emptied the dishwasher,
4:19:18just general run-of-the-mill tidying up.
4:19:21>> And did you have your son coming the
4:19:24next day?
4:19:25>> Yes, that was one of the reasons why we
4:19:27we were able to do that. What was the
4:19:29arrangement you had in terms of the next
4:19:31day would have been your day to pick up
4:19:33your son from school?
4:19:34>> Yes.
4:19:35>> What time would you pick Lucas up from
4:19:37school the next day?
4:19:38>> I believe his school ended at 3:00.
4:19:41>> Okay. So, you would have been
4:19:42responsible to pick him up and he would
4:19:44be spending a night with you that night.
4:19:46>> Yes.
4:19:47>> So, you wanted to have the house nice
4:19:48and clean?
4:19:49>> Yes.
4:19:50>> Pausing once more, even if George hadn't
4:19:52died, it's unlikely that her son would
4:19:54have spent the day with his mother.
4:19:56Again, Brian had begun calling Sarah
4:19:58early on February 24th in order to
4:20:01verify that she would be picking up
4:20:02Lucas as well as to wake her up. He had
4:20:05found that on the days where Lucas was
4:20:06supposed to be in her custody, Sarah
4:20:08would blame him if she slept through his
4:20:10pickup, stating that it was his
4:20:12responsibility to wake her up to get
4:20:14their son, and based on how much she had
4:20:16to drink the night before, Sarah was in
4:20:18no condition to take care of Lucas.
4:20:21>> How many bedrooms are in the home?
4:20:23>> Two. And uh you and George had one
4:20:26bedroom?
4:20:27>> Yes.
4:20:27>> And who had the other?
4:20:28>> Lucas.
4:20:29>> All right. Is that exclusively his
4:20:30bedroom?
4:20:31>> Yes.
4:20:33>> All right. So, how long would it have
4:20:34taken y'all that morning to clean?
4:20:38>> Um I don't really remember what time we
4:20:40woke up. Um but maybe a good two maybe 3
4:20:45hours.
4:20:46>> Okay. And would it be fair to say that
4:20:48you and George both smoke cigarettes?
4:20:50>> Yes. And would it be fair to say that
4:20:52you and George both drink alcohol?
4:20:55>> Yes.
4:20:56>> So, at some point, y'all finished your
4:21:00chores. Yes.
4:21:01>> Right. And then y'all were going to
4:21:02enjoy the day.
4:21:04>> Yes.
4:21:04>> All right. What was the plan?
4:21:07>> Um, it was just kind of, you know, we've
4:21:10got the day to ourselves. Let's just
4:21:11kind of relax and go with the flow.
4:21:14>> All right. Were y'all, did y'all make a
4:21:16decision that y'all were going to start
4:21:17drinking?
4:21:18>> Um, yes. He we had an a half of a bottle
4:21:21that was already in the refrigerator and
4:21:25I did not want to go out afterwards. I
4:21:28again had Lucas coming the next day. So
4:21:31we went over to Publix to purchase
4:21:34another bottle of wine um so we could um
4:21:38not have to go out later on that
4:21:39evening. Whenever Sarah is answering
4:21:42questions about drinking or negative
4:21:44behavior, even if she is directly
4:21:45involved, she will frame the decision as
4:21:47being made primarily by George and not
4:21:50her. Even if she did decide to drink, he
4:21:52was the one who presented that to her.
4:21:54However, whenever there's a decision
4:21:56that is positive or neutral, she will
4:21:58say that it was her doing. She says that
4:22:00it was George's decision to drink early
4:22:02in the day, but she said they began to
4:22:03clean first. She says it was her
4:22:05decision not to go out because her son
4:22:07was coming over the next day, but George
4:22:09was the one who wanted to go to Publix
4:22:11to get another Magnum bottle of wine and
4:22:13so on. In conversation, you would likely
4:22:16not notice this kind of framing,
4:22:17especially if it was being done by a
4:22:19friend or colleague. In fact, this kind
4:22:21of framing is hard to point out until
4:22:23the person does it to you because most
4:22:25people don't look for this kind of
4:22:26subtle manipulation. For example, let's
4:22:29say you have a friend who was constantly
4:22:30talking about their partner and they
4:22:32frame their relationship this way. In
4:22:34this example, the relationship isn't
4:22:36abusive, but when they talk about
4:22:37anything, they always state that they
4:22:39are the one who insists on positive
4:22:41change, while the partner is always
4:22:43behind the negativity. You would likely
4:22:45have a negative opinion of their partner
4:22:47or maybe even encourage them to leave
4:22:49the other party. Then later on in a
4:22:51group setting, they tell a story that
4:22:53involves you. In their retelling,
4:22:55instead of both of you making the
4:22:56decision, they say that you convinced
4:22:58them to do something they didn't want to
4:23:00do, and they only went along with your
4:23:01plan, victimizing themselves in the
4:23:03process, while making you come across as
4:23:06a [ __ ] prick. The intent behind this
4:23:08framing is obvious. Everything that
4:23:10happens to Sarah or happens to someone
4:23:12around her is someone else's fault.
4:23:14Meanwhile, if anything positive occurs,
4:23:16she gets the credit, and you're left
4:23:18standing there like a chump. Just like a
4:23:21chump. Pay attention to this kind of
4:23:23framing as we go on. Note how often
4:23:25Sarah sherks any responsibility onto
4:23:27another party and note how she will
4:23:29insist on any positive or neutral
4:23:31actions being entirely her doing.
4:23:34>> Now, you you were here in court when the
4:23:37state the state played the video of you
4:23:39two and the public's purchasing the
4:23:42bottle of wine?
4:23:43>> Yes.
4:23:43>> Is that what you're referring to here
4:23:45with the jury right now?
4:23:46>> Yes.
4:23:47>> Okay. And that was around noonish,
4:23:50>> I believe. So, yes. Okay. Had y'all
4:23:52started drinking the the leftover bottle
4:23:54before before going to the Publix?
4:23:56>> No.
4:23:57>> Okay. So,
4:24:00y'all bought a bottle of wine?
4:24:02>> Yes.
4:24:02>> All right. And how did y'all get to
4:24:04Publix?
4:24:05>> My car.
4:24:06>> How far is Publix from your apartment?
4:24:11>> 5 minutes.
4:24:12>> How would you get there from your
4:24:13apartment?
4:24:15>> What do you mean?
4:24:16>> Did you have to go across any major
4:24:18highways or is it right there? Um you
4:24:20just come out of our um apartment
4:24:23complex and you do a little U-turn and
4:24:24then you come up and it's right in that
4:24:25complex.
4:24:26>> Okay. But it's easier to drive than to
4:24:29walk.
4:24:29>> Yes.
4:24:30>> Okay. Now, I know at sometimes y'all
4:24:32would y'all would simply need cigarettes
4:24:34and it was in walking distance. Can you
4:24:35tell the jury about that?
4:24:37>> Yes. Um there was a lotto zone
4:24:40convenience store with um in the same I
4:24:43guess parking lot of our town home or
4:24:47complex and it was just a straight shot
4:24:49from our um apartment to a back gate and
4:24:54you could get right into the convenience
4:24:55store from right there.
4:24:56>> Okay. But y'all went over to get that
4:24:58bottle of wine around noonish. And how
4:25:00did y'all y you took your car?
4:25:02>> Yes.
4:25:02>> Did George have a vehicle?
4:25:04>> He did not.
4:25:04>> Okay.
4:25:06And uh how did you pay for the lunch?
4:25:08>> With my debit card.
4:25:10>> And then y'all came back and started
4:25:12drinking.
4:25:13>> Yes.
4:25:13>> Okay. Tell us what you did when you got
4:25:15back from the Publix.
4:25:17>> Um just went on the back porch where we
4:25:21um usually spend our time because we're
4:25:24able to smoke cigarettes outside as
4:25:26opposed to inside. And
4:25:28>> is cigarette smoking not allowed
4:25:30indoors?
4:25:31>> It is not.
4:25:32>> Okay.
4:25:33Do you have pets? Yes, I do.
4:25:36>> Well, did did you have pets?
4:25:37>> I did. Yes.
4:25:38>> Okay. Um,
4:25:42were they with y'all there that day?
4:25:44>> Yes, my dogs were with me all the time
4:25:46when I was there.
4:25:47>> How many dogs do you have?
4:25:49>> I have two.
4:25:50>> And uh just what are their names?
4:25:53>> Penny and Tess.
4:25:55>> And what what is the breed?
4:25:57>> Um, they are Red Boston Terriers.
4:25:59>> And are they both disabled?
4:26:01>> Um, yes. Penny is blind and TE is deaf.
4:26:07>> So when y'all went out to smoke
4:26:10on the back porch and drink, I assume,
4:26:13as well, correct?
4:26:14>> Yes.
4:26:15>> Um, did y'all take the dogs out?
4:26:17>> Oh, yes.
4:26:18>> All right. Um, is there a place for them
4:26:19to do their business out there?
4:26:22>> Um, yes. I
4:26:24extended our back porch um for them to
4:26:28have a little bit of area as opposed to
4:26:30going from a large back yard from my
4:26:33marital home to our little town home.
4:26:36And um they would come out there and do
4:26:38their business and I could sometimes
4:26:40open I would open the gate and then walk
4:26:41them in the back part of our um
4:26:43apartment.
4:26:44>> So you and George were just going to
4:26:45enjoy the day together.
4:26:48>> Correct.
4:26:48>> Is it fair to say y'all don't have a lot
4:26:50of money?
4:26:51>> Yes. And so y'all were going to do
4:26:53something there in the home. Y'all
4:26:54weren't going out for dinner or
4:26:57>> Yes. We primarily I would consider us
4:27:00home bodies as opposed to going out and
4:27:03partying and doing this and that.
4:27:05>> Okay. And how long do you think y'all
4:27:07were out uh
4:27:11that afternoon outside? [clears throat]
4:27:13>> Um a few hours.
4:27:15>> All right. Could you tell the jury what
4:27:16y'all did
4:27:18during that time? Um, we have a dart
4:27:21board that's out there and
4:27:25we just had drinks and we're uh just
4:27:28really enjoying each other's company and
4:27:30talking about, you know, things
4:27:32upcoming, you know, um, we both were
4:27:35looking for a job and just kind of, I
4:27:39guess, encouraging and supporting and
4:27:41planning and [clears throat]
4:27:44>> Well, now you said he had a job. Was he
4:27:45looking for a job, a second job?
4:27:48No, the job that he had was very
4:27:50unstable and at that
4:27:52>> So he was looking for something new.
4:27:55>> Yes. At that time. Yes.
4:27:56>> Okay. And so during that 2 or 3 hours,
4:27:59would it be fair to say that y'all drank
4:28:01the bottle?
4:28:03>> Yes.
4:28:04>> Okay. So would it be fair to say that
4:28:06y'all were feeling the effects of the
4:28:07alcohol?
4:28:09>> Yes.
4:28:10>> Okay. At some point, who made the
4:28:12decision to come in?
4:28:14>> I did.
4:28:14>> Okay. Why Why did y'all Why did you want
4:28:16to come in?
4:28:17I felt that George needed a change of
4:28:19scenery.
4:28:20>> Sarah talks about George like he's a
4:28:22dog. Like when they were to go outside
4:28:24drinking, that was his outside time and
4:28:26she needed to corral him afterwards.
4:28:28Going in and out of the home while
4:28:30drinking doesn't necessarily need an
4:28:32explanation. She could have easily said
4:28:34that it got too warm, that the sun was
4:28:36too bright and hitting her patio, or
4:28:38simply said she wanted to go inside
4:28:39because she wanted to be in the air
4:28:41conditioning. But she doesn't do that.
4:28:43Instead, she says that she thought
4:28:44George needed a change of scenery. as if
4:28:47being left outside for too long would
4:28:48hurt him in some way. But they had drunk
4:28:50through an entire magnum bottle of wine
4:28:52in this time, which was double the
4:28:54amount of a normal bottle. Both parties
4:28:56were small, and at no point did she say
4:28:58that they ate during the day, meaning
4:29:00that they were wasted. But she has no
4:29:02problem recalling with complete clarity
4:29:04what she thought and felt during this
4:29:05time. Again, this is important to
4:29:07remember as we go along. Okay. So, y'all
4:29:10came in and then um
4:29:16did y'all do anything else before he
4:29:18left again? Were y'all doing anything? I
4:29:22know y'all y'all did some arts and
4:29:24crafts. What What did y'all do? At some
4:29:27point, he went to get another bottle at
4:29:28Publix.
4:29:30>> Yes. um after I believe it was after we
4:29:34had it was right before I believe that
4:29:36we had gone inside um cuz uh he called
4:29:40his daughters. I was trying to encourage
4:29:42him to call his family.
4:29:44>> So now Sarah is taking credit for any
4:29:46potentially positive action that George
4:29:48has taken in his final days of life.
4:29:50When we pointed out her habit of
4:29:52sherking any responsibility when it came
4:29:54to their negative behaviors and taking
4:29:56all the credit for any positive actions,
4:29:58that was limited to the things they had
4:30:00done as a couple. They had both been
4:30:02drinking, but only at George's
4:30:03insistence. They had both cleaned the
4:30:05home, but only at hers, and so on. But
4:30:08now, actions that he took that also had
4:30:10a positive connotation are credited to
4:30:12her, even if she likely had nothing to
4:30:14do with them. To be clear, George's
4:30:16family did not and still do not like
4:30:18Sarah. Every member of his family had
4:30:20encouraged him to end the relationship,
4:30:22citing that they abused each other and
4:30:24that Sarah had brought out the worst in
4:30:25him. Sarah knew his family didn't like
4:30:28her and even went so far as to claim
4:30:29that she was afraid of his family
4:30:31because she thought they would have her
4:30:33killed while in jail. There is no
4:30:34evidence that she had ever encouraged
4:30:36him to contact his family or tried to
4:30:38bridge any gap with his family members
4:30:40because she saw them as being against
4:30:42their relationship. Her asserting that
4:30:44he only called his daughters at her
4:30:45request is likely untrue, but she cannot
4:30:48help but take credit for any positive
4:30:50thing he could have done.
4:30:52>> Okay. Now, where where are his
4:30:53daughters?
4:30:54>> Um, his two daughters are located in
4:30:56Pennsylvania.
4:30:57>> And what are their names?
4:30:59>> Anna and Destiny.
4:31:01>> And how old are they?
4:31:04>> I believe that Anna is in her 30s and um
4:31:07Destiny may be in her
4:31:10early 20s.
4:31:12>> All right. Does he have any more
4:31:13children?
4:31:14>> Yes, he has a son.
4:31:16>> And where is his son?
4:31:18>> He is in Pennsylvania also.
4:31:19>> Okay. So, part of that afternoon as
4:31:23y'all came in to call relatives, call
4:31:25family.
4:31:26>> No, I had him call outside. Um,
4:31:31just tried to,
4:31:33I guess, boost the mood. Um, and
4:31:38uh, the first daughter didn't answer and
4:31:41I don't remember the reason I didn't
4:31:44speak to the second one. It I believe he
4:31:46did. It was just for a moment. All
4:31:47>> right. Now, whose phone y'all using?
4:31:49>> My phone.
4:31:49>> All right. And is that common for y'all
4:31:52to use that? For y'all to share that
4:31:54phone?
4:31:56>> It was because George said that he
4:31:57didn't have a phone. So, um, it would
4:32:00either be lost or,
4:32:03um, given to him by his mother. Uh, so I
4:32:07didn't know he had a cell phone, so we
4:32:08would use my phone.
4:32:09>> So, it was primarily your phone.
4:32:11>> Again, the way she talks about George is
4:32:13fairly dehumanizing. She sounds like a
4:32:15person talking about their pet. If she
4:32:17had simply said that she wanted to just
4:32:19go inside or that she didn't remember
4:32:21exactly why they went inside, that would
4:32:23at least feel like she respected George
4:32:24a bit more than this.
4:32:27>> Yes. Okay. And um you took a lot of
4:32:31photographs that were on that phone.
4:32:34>> Yes.
4:32:34>> Video tapes?
4:32:35>> Yes.
4:32:36>> Text messages?
4:32:37>> Yes.
4:32:37>> Phone call?
4:32:39>> Yes. He and I both on the phone calls.
4:32:41>> So he would use it as well.
4:32:42>> Yes.
4:32:44>> And uh that phone is that the one that
4:32:46was that was seized in this case?
4:32:49>> Yes.
4:32:52>> All right. So y'all called his daughters
4:32:56and then um during that phone call
4:32:59period, did y'all also call his brother?
4:33:02>> Yes.
4:33:02>> Okay. And who which brother was that?
4:33:04>> John.
4:33:06>> Now, how many how many brothers and
4:33:08sisters does George have?
4:33:11>> Um I'm going to list them if that's
4:33:13okay.
4:33:14>> Okay. Um, it's John, Burell,
4:33:18Isaac,
4:33:20Mo,
4:33:22and his sister.
4:33:25>> Okay. And do they all live here in
4:33:27Florida?
4:33:28>> Yes.
4:33:28>> Are they close by?
4:33:30>> As far as I know, yes.
4:33:31>> What about his parents?
4:33:33>> Yes.
4:33:34>> They live here as well?
4:33:35>> Yes.
4:33:36>> Okay. But his ex-wives and his children
4:33:40live up in Philadelphia.
4:33:42>> Yes.
4:33:43>> Okay.
4:33:45So, you called called the girls, then
4:33:48you called uh or George called his
4:33:50brother?
4:33:51>> Yes.
4:33:52>> Was that conversation that long?
4:33:54>> No, it was not.
4:33:55>> Okay.
4:33:57And then after that phone call, u what
4:34:00did y'all were y'all inside by this
4:34:01time?
4:34:03>> Yes. At this at this point, I believe
4:34:05that it was a good time to get a change
4:34:08of scenery. So, I thought George would
4:34:12be better off inside, and frankly, I
4:34:14didn't want to be outside any longer
4:34:16either.
4:34:17>> The defense is framing this excursion by
4:34:19George as being done without Sarah's
4:34:21consent or input, as if she would be
4:34:23upset at the idea of George driving her
4:34:25car while intoxicated to get them more
4:34:28alcohol. However, we have a hard time
4:34:30believing this narrative, as the only
4:34:32evidence is Sarah's word. As we have
4:34:34discussed, Sarah has lied at multiple
4:34:36intervals both in the investigation, in
4:34:38her letters, and to the court in
4:34:40general. She has proven that she will
4:34:41say whatever she thinks will benefit her
4:34:43the most in the moment and will change
4:34:45her story the moment more evidence is
4:34:47shown. We know the second time that
4:34:48George went to Publix that day, he went
4:34:51by himself. Because Sarah wasn't present
4:34:53on this occasion, she feels confident in
4:34:55claiming that she didn't know that he
4:34:57had done this, and she would be morally
4:34:59opposed to him driving her car while
4:35:00drunk. But according to friends and
4:35:02neighbors, Sarah and George would often
4:35:04drive drunk, and Sarah had no problem
4:35:06giving her car to her inebriated
4:35:08boyfriend. Is it possible that George
4:35:10took Sarah's debit card and car without
4:35:12her consent to get them alcohol?
4:35:14Absolutely. But would it be out of
4:35:16character for Sarah to allow him to take
4:35:18her car and debit card to go to the
4:35:20store without her? No. Both scenarios
4:35:22could have happened. And given her
4:35:24propensity to refute any narrative that
4:35:26makes her look even somewhat bad, I
4:35:28would venture to say that the second
4:35:29option is more likely to have happened.
4:35:33Sarah continues to talk about George
4:35:34like he
4:35:36>> So just to get an idea about this time
4:35:38is when he went to get the second bottle
4:35:40or did y'all stay inside for a while
4:35:42before he left?
4:35:43>> No. Um from what I recall it was I
4:35:46thought the day was over and it was
4:35:48going to be
4:35:50um get ready for the evening for the
4:35:52day. what maybe what do you want for
4:35:54dinner? You know, do you have an extra
4:35:55load of laundry that you need to throw
4:35:57in kind of thing and that was my
4:36:00understanding. And
4:36:01>> this was this was about 5ish or
4:36:03something.
4:36:04>> I don't remember the time.
4:36:06>> Okay. At some point during that time
4:36:09period, did George go to Publix again?
4:36:12>> Yes. I thought he was going to be
4:36:14walking to the convenience store, but
4:36:17apparently um when he returned, he had
4:36:20gone across the street with my car and
4:36:22my debit card to buy another bottle of
4:36:24wine.
4:36:25>> What was your understanding of where he
4:36:26was going?
4:36:27>> To the convenience store. Walking
4:36:29>> for what?
4:36:30>> Cigarettes.
4:36:31>> Okay. And you've learned you learned
4:36:34obviously that he came back and you you
4:36:37learned that he'd used your vehicle.
4:36:39>> Yes.
4:36:39>> And he'd used your debit card.
4:36:41>> Yes. and he brought back a bottle of
4:36:43wine from Publix,
4:36:44>> right?
4:36:45>> And you saw the uh the public's video of
4:36:48that.
4:36:49>> Yes.
4:36:50>> He's a dog or a child that needs
4:36:52constant attention even though he's a
4:36:54grown man. Also, she refers to the
4:36:56activities that they did together as
4:36:57being thoughtful acts done by her in
4:36:59order to keep him somewhat occupied
4:37:01despite the fact that they were doing
4:37:03these activities together. This is
4:37:05highly abnormal and shows how far above
4:37:07him she believes herself to be. Put
4:37:09yourself in her shoes. You're talking
4:37:11about the night you spent with your
4:37:12boyfriend or girlfriend, where you drank
4:37:14outside for a few hours talking about
4:37:16your future and getting new jobs, then
4:37:19went inside to do some puzzles and art.
4:37:21Would you frame it as a nice night spent
4:37:23together enjoying each other's company,
4:37:25or would you take every instance to
4:37:26demean your partner and present each
4:37:28activity as being done in order to
4:37:30engage the other person, as if they were
4:37:32too stupid to entertain themselves? A
4:37:34significant amount of defense relies on
4:37:36Sarah's assertions that she loved George
4:37:39despite the abuse. But her continued
4:37:41habit of disparaging him at every chance
4:37:43she gets does not help that claim in the
4:37:45slightest. She comes across as mean and
4:37:47controlling, doineering and aggressive,
4:37:49and believing as if he was too stupid to
4:37:51do anything positive for himself, which
4:37:54is not how you would want to approach
4:37:55their defense for murder.
4:37:58>> So, he comes back with the other bottle
4:38:00of wine and did he want you to drink
4:38:02with him? It was expected. Yes.
4:38:05>> Yes. And you agreed to consume the wine,
4:38:08the second bottle with him.
4:38:10>> Yes.
4:38:10>> Okay. So, over the course of that
4:38:13evening, drinking the wine, did what did
4:38:15y'all do for timewise? Uh, watch a
4:38:19movie, music, just kind of tell the jury
4:38:21what you remember? I know it's obviously
4:38:23been a while, but
4:38:25>> um it was kind of a regular thing where
4:38:28um I would always try to come up with
4:38:31um entertaining activities for George
4:38:35and um
4:38:39for um I bought a a puzzle. Um we
4:38:43started off uh at one point doing a
4:38:46smaller puzzle and then we did that very
4:38:48quickly. So then I purchased a larger
4:38:50puzzle and I believe it was a thousand
4:38:52pieces. So I thought to get his mind off
4:38:55of things and to focus on something,
4:38:58um it would be smart for us to do the
4:39:00puzzle. So for however long that took,
4:39:04um we finished the puzzle. So that was
4:39:07one.
4:39:08>> Did you Did you Every piece was finished
4:39:10or was it?
4:39:11>> Um every piece was finished. It was
4:39:13strange that we couldn't find one piece
4:39:14and we thought it was funny that um it
4:39:16was like in like the perfect place on
4:39:18there. But yes, every everyone but one
4:39:20piece.
4:39:21>> All right. After the puzzle, what did
4:39:23what did y'all do?
4:39:25>> Um I decided to continue to maintain and
4:39:29focus him. And I have a bunch of paints
4:39:35that I used of my sons that um his
4:39:39grandmother bought him. It's a very big
4:39:41art wooden box and it's got pastels,
4:39:44pencils, paint, any kind of whatever.
4:39:47And um he and I were very much into art.
4:39:49And with these with this resource, it
4:39:52got him very interested in being more
4:39:54creative.
4:39:56>> Again, everything that George was good
4:39:57at, anything he achieved is actually her
4:40:00achievement. He was only good at art
4:40:02because she encouraged him. He was only
4:40:04talented because she brought it out of
4:40:06him. I don't think I have to point out
4:40:07how demeaning that actually is.
4:40:10How long have you been into art?
4:40:12>> Um, ever since I can remember as a
4:40:15child.
4:40:16>> You like to draw?
4:40:17>> I like to do anything artistic.
4:40:19>> Okay. And I know, you know, we saw some
4:40:21of the pictures of your apartment, but
4:40:23it looks like there was pictures and
4:40:25artwork up. Is that all your work and
4:40:27George's work?
4:40:28>> The majority of it, yes. Are uh
4:40:30belongings from my home? Um, and then
4:40:33also some of George's. Yes. On the wall.
4:40:36>> Was he pretty good at art as well? Yes.
4:40:39>> All right. So, you both enjoyed doing
4:40:40that
4:40:40>> very much.
4:40:41>> So, y'all got out Lucas's art set. What
4:40:44did y'all do with that?
4:40:47>> Um, we were just, I guess, doodling, you
4:40:50know, whatever. I would always tell him
4:40:52that everything that you make is a
4:40:54masterpiece. So, um, just let loose and
4:40:58just let it go. And we would just paint
4:41:01and drink.
4:41:03>> Paint and drink. Yes. And, uh, listening
4:41:05to music sometimes. And Yes.
4:41:08She asserts that the music George
4:41:10listened to was something she doesn't
4:41:11like. Her attorney didn't ask her that.
4:41:13That wasn't a necessary addition that
4:41:15added more to her story. It was just an
4:41:17aside that she put in there because she
4:41:19couldn't help herself. Sarah is trying
4:41:21to insist that she loved George, that
4:41:23she loved him in spite of the horrific
4:41:25things that he did to her and she didn't
4:41:27mean to kill him. But she cannot help
4:41:28but take every possible opportunity to
4:41:30describe the things she didn't like
4:41:32about him. even if he listened to
4:41:34horrible music. What does saying that
4:41:36out loud actually do to help the jury
4:41:38determine that you are innocent of any
4:41:39wrongdoing? Absolutely nothing.
4:41:42>> Now, with the dogs, did y'all get the
4:41:44dogs involved?
4:41:45>> Oh, yes. My dogs follow me everywhere.
4:41:47Yes.
4:41:48>> Was there some dancing going on with the
4:41:49dogs?
4:41:50>> Yes. after we had completed the puzzle
4:41:53and
4:41:54um
4:41:56I guess were painted out um I thought
4:41:59that it might be a good point for us to
4:42:01maybe listen to some music. Um and
4:42:06the music that George listens to is a
4:42:08little it's very fractious to me and it
4:42:11was definitely not going to lighten the
4:42:12mood. So, we ended up finding some
4:42:14channel on the radio and um he was
4:42:18feeling it and then we ended up my one
4:42:20dog um gets very active and was dancing
4:42:22with us and we were just um having a
4:42:25good time listening to music.
4:42:27>> Again, this kind of sliding works in
4:42:29conversation with friends and family
4:42:30because it's subtle. She isn't saying
4:42:32she hates everything he says and does.
4:42:34In fact, she takes on a positive tone
4:42:36when she says she doesn't like his music
4:42:38because she talks about them dancing
4:42:40with her dogs. But the general takeaway
4:42:42is that the thing he likes is bad and
4:42:44that it's something that she needs to
4:42:45fix. However, Sarah is on the stand. She
4:42:48is accused of murdering her partner and
4:42:50is contending with a video of her
4:42:52mocking the deceased while he lays
4:42:53dying. Sliding him in every instance she
4:42:56has only serves to make her look callous
4:42:58and make the crime look less like an
4:43:00accident.
4:43:01>> Okay.
4:43:02>> And uh I guess [clears throat] it's
4:43:04getting pretty late in the evening.
4:43:06>> Yes.
4:43:07>> Anything else I've missed?
4:43:10I don't believe so.
4:43:11>> All right. So, tell us tell us where
4:43:14y'all ended up before before you started
4:43:17the game of hide-and-seek.
4:43:20>> Uh, we were there. I couldn't think of
4:43:23anything else possibly that I had to
4:43:26continue entertainment.
4:43:28But I remember sitting at the end of the
4:43:32couch and him sitting in my son's one of
4:43:36my son's chairs that was in the living
4:43:37room and just kind of doing this like
4:43:41what are we going to do now? Like I very
4:43:42much would like to go to sleep.
4:43:44>> Had y'all had y'all finished off the uh
4:43:49that bottle that he had bought?
4:43:52I don't remember to be honest with you.
4:43:54>> Bless you.
4:43:54>> Would it be fair to say that as the day
4:43:57wore on, the more y'all consumed?
4:44:02>> Yes.
4:44:03>> And would it be fair to say that as the
4:44:06day wore on, the more you consumed, the
4:44:08more the more effects you felt from the
4:44:10alcohol?
4:44:11>> Of course. Yes.
4:44:12>> Both of you?
4:44:13>> Yes.
4:44:13>> Okay. So, you would agree, would you
4:44:16not, that at the time y'all were trying
4:44:19to figure out something to do and you
4:44:21put your hand on the couch that y'all
4:44:24would it be fair to say that y'all were
4:44:25intoxicated?
4:44:27>> Yes.
4:44:29>> Tell the jury what happened.
4:44:33>> Um, at one point, I guess he knew that I
4:44:36couldn't come up with anything else. Um,
4:44:38tapped me on my knee and said, "You're
4:44:40it." So from there, I ran up the stairs
4:44:44and hid into
4:44:46um our shower um
4:44:50just waiting for him to find me so we
4:44:54could hopefully go to sleep soon at some
4:44:56point. And um
4:44:59>> Sarah describes finishing their arts and
4:45:01crafts, being bored and wanting to go to
4:45:03sleep, but does so as if she has to stay
4:45:05awake to continue to entertain George,
4:45:07like she was being held hostage by her
4:45:09boyfriend and forced to stay awake
4:45:11despite wanting to go to sleep. She also
4:45:13claims that George was the one to start
4:45:15the game of hide-and-seek, and she
4:45:17merely went along to appease him in the
4:45:19hopes of going to bed. And while there
4:45:20is no negative connotation about two
4:45:22adults playing a children's game, I
4:45:24personally believe she is framing the
4:45:26game this way because she has seen some
4:45:28of the more aggressive comments made
4:45:30about her initial story online. In the
4:45:32comment section of every video talking
4:45:34about this case and any forum discussing
4:45:36it online, a certain group of people
4:45:38take umbrage with the idea that George
4:45:40and Herb played hide-and-seek. They call
4:45:42Sarah stupid for either playing the game
4:45:44or for thinking that the excuse makes
4:45:46sense. She is aware of the public's
4:45:48opinion based on the contents of her
4:45:49letters, but she can't change her story
4:45:52now. Instead, she can insist that it was
4:45:54George who wanted to play the game, and
4:45:56she simply went along with it. So, don't
4:45:58worry people who thought her playing
4:45:59hide-and-seek was stupid. She also
4:46:01thinks it was stupid because it was
4:46:03George's fault.
4:46:04>> Is it uh is it a tub or just a walk-in?
4:46:07>> It's a tub. Um but it's in the master
4:46:10bedroom and you have to go all the way
4:46:11upstairs. You have to go in the bedroom
4:46:13and then you have to go into the
4:46:14bathroom part and then there's the
4:46:15shower part. So, did you lay down in the
4:46:17tub?
4:46:17>> I at first at one point, yes, I was.
4:46:20>> Okay. So, you were hiding.
4:46:22>> I was trying.
4:46:23>> Okay. And did you believe that he was
4:46:25going to come try to find you?
4:46:27>> Yes.
4:46:29>> Did you wait?
4:46:31>> Yes, for quite some time.
4:46:33>> All right. Then, what did you decide to
4:46:34do?
4:46:35>> That I decided that I need to go to
4:46:37sleep. I'm picking my son up the next
4:46:39day and
4:46:41we need to start wrapping up the
4:46:43evening. Um, and I went downstairs to
4:46:47find where he was.
4:46:49>> And what I think I [clears throat] think
4:46:51the jury has seen pictures of your would
4:46:55you call it an apartment or
4:46:57>> It's considered a town home.
4:46:58>> A town home. So you walk down the
4:47:01stairs.
4:47:02Right.
4:47:03>> Mhm.
4:47:04>> And at the bottom of the stairs is a
4:47:06bookshelf here.
4:47:07>> Yes. At the very end of it. Yes.
4:47:09>> Okay. So you walk down the stairs and
4:47:11you turn and look in the living room.
4:47:13Did you What did you see?
4:47:15>> Um I don't even think I made it all the
4:47:17way down the stairwell because I was
4:47:18just looking for him as soon as I could
4:47:20um to hopefully go upstairs as soon as
4:47:22we could. And um
4:47:26I saw I looked over and I saw him
4:47:28settling himself in the suitcase.
4:47:30>> All right. Tell us about the suitcase.
4:47:31How how long is it? An older suitcase?
4:47:34>> Yes.
4:47:35>> Whose whose suitcase was it?
4:47:36>> This is George's suitcase.
4:47:38>> All right. And did he use it for
4:47:40traveling back and forth to Philly? Yes,
4:47:43I had uh recently taken him on a trip to
4:47:47go see his children in Pennsylvania who
4:47:49he hasn't seen in years and we took that
4:47:53with us and uh because of how
4:47:56dilapitated it was, how broken it was,
4:47:59um in the end after that trip we decided
4:48:00that we would donate it.
4:48:03>> Again, none of those details were
4:48:04necessary, but it's more important for
4:48:06Sarah to disparage George than anything
4:48:08else. All she was asked was who the
4:48:10suitcase belonged to and if he used it
4:48:13for traveling back and forth to see his
4:48:15family in Philly. And she felt it
4:48:16relevant not only to state that it
4:48:18belonged to George, but after a trip
4:48:20that she had taken him on to see his
4:48:22family that they determined that the
4:48:24suitcase was too dilapidated to use any
4:48:26further and that they would donate it.
4:48:27So his possession, old, dilapidated,
4:48:30needs to be thrown away, but only at her
4:48:32behest alongside visiting his family.
4:48:34I'm going to stop pointing this out
4:48:36every time it happens because we'd
4:48:37likely be here for another five hours
4:48:39and it's frankly absurd at this point.
4:48:42>> All right. And uh I understand y'all
4:48:45kept y'all kept the suitcase upstairs.
4:48:47>> Yes.
4:48:48>> How long did y'all keep it upstairs
4:48:50>> since we had moved in? [snorts]
4:48:53>> Is there a is there a closet up there
4:48:55you kept it in?
4:48:56>> Yes, it was in the master closet um the
4:48:59master bedroom closet all the way in the
4:49:00back because of um the size of it and
4:49:03there was nowhere to put it. So, it's
4:49:04all the way in the back.
4:49:06>> So, when did y'all decide to move it
4:49:07down from upstairs to downstairs? Was it
4:49:10that day or sometime earlier?
4:49:11>> No, it was um maybe a week or so prior.
4:49:15>> Okay. And so, what y'all were going to
4:49:19donate that to Goodwill or?
4:49:21>> Yes, we were going to do I guess a
4:49:23spring cleaning. Um my anyone who has
4:49:26children understands that they grow
4:49:28quickly and there was a lot of clothes
4:49:30that I needed to um go through. um of my
4:49:34sons and then also from George and I
4:49:37moving in and just kind of putting
4:49:39everything in there, you know, at one
4:49:41point where we just needed to actually
4:49:42go through it and organize it and get
4:49:44things um more in order.
4:49:46>> So, is that the reason it was
4:49:47downstairs?
4:49:49You were going to donate it and a bunch
4:49:50of things that you're going to put
4:49:51inside of it.
4:49:52>> Correct. Yes.
4:49:53>> Okay. So, it' been down there a week.
4:49:56So, it was already down there.
4:49:57>> Yes. George brought it down.
4:49:58>> Okay. So, you said that you got down
4:50:01there, you're looking for him, you see
4:50:02him settling into the suitcase.
4:50:04>> Yes.
4:50:04>> What did you do?
4:50:07>> In my head, I said, "Oh, man." Um, we're
4:50:12obviously not going to be going to sleep
4:50:14anytime soon. And um
4:50:18I walked over and um he was trying to
4:50:21get himself flat, so I couldn't tell
4:50:23that he was in there. And then
4:50:24>> now, let me stop you there. The
4:50:26suitcase. Is it the suitcase over here
4:50:28in the
4:50:29>> Yes.
4:50:29>> In the box? You've seen it. You saw it?
4:50:32>> Yes.
4:50:33>> Uh, it's a pretty big suitcase.
4:50:35>> Yes.
4:50:36>> How how big is George?
4:50:38>> George was my height. Um, and
4:50:41>> how tall are you?
4:50:42>> I'm 5'3.
4:50:43>> Okay. And how much did uh George weigh?
4:50:48>> I thought it was 100 pounds.
4:50:51>> Okay. And how much did you weigh?
4:50:53>> Um, I was 98 lbs. All right. Do you
4:50:56agree you you put on some weight
4:50:59>> since I've been incarcerated? Yes.
4:51:02>> Well, at the time though, y'all were
4:51:04y'all were pretty skinny.
4:51:06>> Yes.
4:51:07>> So, um, from the pictures, it looks like
4:51:10y'all were both pretty thin.
4:51:12>> Yes.
4:51:13>> Um, all right. So, because of his
4:51:16thinness, um, is that how and and he's
4:51:19he's a small man?
4:51:21>> Yes.
4:51:22>> Okay. So, he was able to get in the
4:51:23suitcase on his own. Yes.
4:51:26>> Did he willingly get in the suitcase?
4:51:28>> He was already in there.
4:51:29>> Okay. When you got to him, did he see
4:51:31you?
4:51:32>> Yes.
4:51:32>> All right. Tell us what happened.
4:51:34>> Um I I mean I just kind of I zipped him
4:51:39up. We thought it was funny and um we're
4:51:42joking about how he was I guess small
4:51:45enough to fit inside of the suitcase.
4:51:48>> All right. So what happened there?
4:51:51Um, from there it was just um we were
4:51:55laughing about it and um
4:51:59it was just strange that he was small
4:52:03enough to fit in there and then um I
4:52:06kind of moved it around a little bit
4:52:09with him in the suitcase still. It was
4:52:12still funny that he was still in the
4:52:14suitcase. Just I think he and I were
4:52:17just kind of
4:52:20couldn't believe that he was he could
4:52:21fit in the suitcase.
4:52:23>> Did you eventually close the top?
4:52:26>> Yes. In order for Well, the top was
4:52:28already closed. As he was settling
4:52:31himself in there, it was that's how I
4:52:33knew he was in there was because the top
4:52:34was kind of flopping a little bit.
4:52:37>> So, he had got in there to hide and he
4:52:38pulled the top.
4:52:39>> Yes. on top of but you could tell he was
4:52:41in there.
4:52:42>> Yes.
4:52:42>> You saw him right away?
4:52:43>> Yes.
4:52:44>> All right. So, at some point, did you
4:52:46zip him up?
4:52:47>> Yeah.
4:52:49>> While Sarah isn't overly expressive, her
4:52:51tone indicates clear frustration with
4:52:53her attorney because he is asking her
4:52:55the same question in different ways.
4:52:56It's likely he's trying to find a rhythm
4:52:58in his questioning or simply that he is
4:53:00stalling while he finds his place. But
4:53:02the edge she added to her tone is not
4:53:04helpful. Her ultimate goal is to walk
4:53:06away from this case a free woman. In
4:53:08order to do that, she has to prove that
4:53:10the way she acted in the recording of
4:53:11George being trapped in the suitcase is
4:53:13antithetical to her personality and that
4:53:15she was acting in self-defense despite
4:53:17the circumstances. Her agitation is
4:53:20counterintuitive to that.
4:53:23>> And what was he saying or doing when you
4:53:25were zipping him up?
4:53:27>> We just thought it was [clears throat]
4:53:28funny. Um,
4:53:29>> were you both laughing?
4:53:30>> Mhm. Yes.
4:53:32>> And um, so you zipped him up. Were y'all
4:53:36still laughing once you zipped him up?
4:53:38>> Yes.
4:53:38>> Okay.
4:53:39>> Tell us tell the jury what happened
4:53:40then.
4:53:41>> Um, from there I just I moved the
4:53:44suitcase around uh a couple of times
4:53:46just kind of with on the wheels and
4:53:49moved it around and um at that point it
4:53:53was still it was funny. We were joking
4:53:55and laughing about it.
4:53:57>> All right. Now eventually did you go sit
4:54:00down on the couch and get your phone?
4:54:04Um yes. Um the
4:54:06>> something
4:54:08>> um
4:54:10well I the suitcase had um
4:54:16me moving it around had flopped was
4:54:19flopped over. So while it was like that,
4:54:22I thought at that point I had a moment
4:54:26to
4:54:27I guess take the time to talk to him
4:54:31while I guess he was not able to get out
4:54:36for a moment.
4:54:38>> So you flipped it.
4:54:40>> You got you got it on the top, right? It
4:54:42gets in, but at some point you flip it
4:54:44over. So he the zipper is on the bottom.
4:54:47Well, it was just kind of how I was
4:54:49moving it around. Then it ended up kind
4:54:51of flopping. So,
4:54:52>> it was upside down.
4:54:54>> Yes.
4:54:55>> So, after you did that, what did you do?
4:54:59Um that's when I I went over and decided
4:55:02to um videotape to
4:55:08just see the um I guess the the gest in
4:55:13it for him to understand that right now
4:55:18I feel safe and right now I have the
4:55:19ability to actually speak to you um in a
4:55:23manner that normally I would not have
4:55:25the ability to do. So Sarah is arguing
4:55:29that the video that she took of George
4:55:31where he is pleading for air was done
4:55:32directly after they had been laughing
4:55:34and joking about how funny it was that
4:55:36he was in the suitcase and that she took
4:55:38the video so he could see the quote just
4:55:40in it unquote. But we watched the video
4:55:42earlier. Did it seem as if she were
4:55:44joking or anything she said was inest?
4:55:47When he told her that he couldn't
4:55:48breathe, did it seem like he was in the
4:55:50position to hear her complaints about
4:55:51their relationship and understand where
4:55:53she was coming from? Did it seem like
4:55:55she was trying to get him to hear her
4:55:56and empathize with how much pain he had
4:55:58inflicted onto her during their time
4:56:00together? Because that's obviously not
4:56:02what was happening, especially if they
4:56:04had just been laughing moments before.
4:56:05The anger that Sarah had showcased in
4:56:07that video was palpable. She was
4:56:09expressing deep hurt and malice towards
4:56:11George because he had cheated on her and
4:56:13put his hands on her. to try and
4:56:15recontextualize that video as her
4:56:17sincerely trying to express her
4:56:18frustration so he can understand where
4:56:20she's coming from is just dishonest and
4:56:23treats the viewing public and the jury
4:56:24like they're idiots. Moreover, Sarah was
4:56:27drunk when she took the video, so it's
4:56:29highly unlikely that her actions were as
4:56:31thought through as she is putting
4:56:32forward. Most people act stupidly when
4:56:34they're drunk. So, the very idea that
4:56:36she put the suitcase down and determined
4:56:38that she is now in a position to explain
4:56:40her thoughts and feelings to George is
4:56:42frankly unbelievable.
4:56:45And you were intoxicated.
4:56:47>> Yes.
4:56:48>> And you would agree that
4:56:51you said some things you should not.
4:56:54>> Yes.
4:56:55>> But you you realized he could not get
4:56:58out and get at you. Is that fair?
4:57:00>> At that moment, yes.
4:57:02>> So the it goes on for about 10 minutes.
4:57:06>> Um. Yes.
4:57:07>> Did you heard it here today, did you
4:57:08not?
4:57:09>> Yes. You heard you heard his voice as he
4:57:13was speaking from the suitcase.
4:57:15>> Yes.
4:57:15>> That was his voice on the video and
4:57:17audio.
4:57:18>> Yes.
4:57:18>> And you heard your voice on the video
4:57:20and audio.
4:57:22>> Yes.
4:57:22>> That was your voice.
4:57:24>> Yes.
4:57:24>> All those things said by the man were
4:57:27said by George in that two-minute video.
4:57:29>> Correct.
4:57:30>> All the words said by the female were
4:57:32said by you in that two-minute video.
4:57:34>> Correct.
4:57:35>> Were you intending on showing him the
4:57:37video the next day?
4:57:39Yes.
4:57:41>> At the time or the next day, is it fair
4:57:44to say you don't even remember
4:57:45videotaping?
4:57:46>> I do not.
4:57:48>> So,
4:57:51from what you can tell from watching it,
4:57:53did that refresh your memory about that
4:57:55event?
4:57:56>> It did.
4:58:01>> Why did you say all that?
4:58:26We fast forwarded through the portion of
4:58:28the footage where the lawyers are
4:58:29arguing, but didn't take the footage
4:58:31out. As Sarah's reactions are telling,
4:58:33she continues to smile and smirk and
4:58:35seems genuinely pleased with the way her
4:58:37time on the stand is going, despite the
4:58:39fact that she isn't doing a very good
4:58:41job. She has demeaned the man she killed
4:58:43at every instance. She has insisted that
4:58:45she was basically the only good thing in
4:58:47his life and that he would be nothing
4:58:49without her. And she's done nothing to
4:58:51directly validate her defense's
4:58:52argument. Instead, she has insulted the
4:58:54jury's intelligence by trying to assert
4:58:56that the direct evidence of her malice
4:58:58at George was simply her trying to tell
4:59:00him how she felt in the hopes that he
4:59:02would change his behavior. She is also
4:59:04putting forth the argument that she
4:59:06sincerely didn't remember that she had
4:59:08taken the video, mocking George as he
4:59:10pleaded for his life prior to being
4:59:11shown the video by police and that's why
4:59:14she lied to the investigators. It's not
4:59:16that she thought there was no direct
4:59:17evidence that she had knowingly left
4:59:19George to die, laughing at him while he
4:59:21struggled to breathe. It's because she
4:59:22couldn't remember that portion of the
4:59:24night despite having a perfectly lucid
4:59:26memory directly before and after. She
4:59:28only blacked out during the portion
4:59:30where there is direct evidence that she
4:59:31was behind the heinous actions.
4:59:33Everything that she has said or done
4:59:35prior to this moment has been pushed off
4:59:37onto someone else. Her divorce didn't
4:59:39occur because she was an alcoholic and
4:59:41endangered her son on multiple
4:59:43occasions. It happened because Brian was
4:59:45no longer willing to fight for their
4:59:46marriage. She didn't meet George at a
4:59:48bar in the middle of the day during her
4:59:50marriage because she has a drinking
4:59:51problem. She met him at a bar because
4:59:53she was trying to put herself out there
4:59:55after the divorce and so on. But now
4:59:57there is direct undeniable evidence that
4:59:59she did do something wrong. and she
5:00:01claims that it's not her fault that she
5:00:02lied about her actions because she
5:00:04sincerely didn't remember them. Nothing
5:00:06is ever her fault unless it is, but even
5:00:09then, it's not that bad. And she did
5:00:11virtually nothing wrong anyways. But
5:00:13continuing on,
5:00:17Mr. Owens, you may proceed.
5:00:27>> All right. I'm talking about just the
5:00:28two-minute video part that was recorded.
5:00:31Could you just tell the jury
5:00:36what you were feeling, what your
5:00:38feelings were at the time and then
5:00:41explain
5:00:42just explain that to the jury.
5:00:45You you mentioned you talked about it
5:00:46before. You said he was in that confined
5:00:49space and it was my chance, but is that
5:00:51do you want to elaborate on that or
5:00:52>> Sure. I
5:00:55I want you all to know that I the
5:00:58majority of the time am always afraid
5:00:59and always scared.
5:01:01>> All right. Well,
5:01:03I understand that. Okay, I understand
5:01:06that. But, um, would it be fair to say
5:01:10that
5:01:12you had some anger at that point?
5:01:14>> I did. I
5:01:15>> would it be fair to say that you wanted
5:01:17to tell him off to some degree?
5:01:19>> I just wanted Yes. for him to have a
5:01:22better understanding.
5:01:24Um, which was the whole point of the
5:01:25videos and documentation prior.
5:01:28>> And you could tell that he was
5:01:29uncomfortable,
5:01:32>> I'm guessing.
5:01:34>> And did did you want him to feel some
5:01:37uncomfort?
5:01:39>> I did.
5:01:40>> Okay.
5:01:44Now, at some point,
5:01:47you turned off the video.
5:01:49>> Yes.
5:01:50And then we saw
5:01:53a second video which is approximately 11
5:01:55minutes later. And you've seen that
5:01:57video that was playing to the jury. It
5:01:59was 22 seconds long.
5:02:01>> Yes.
5:02:01>> And I don't think you speak in that
5:02:03video. You hear George say Sarah one
5:02:06time.
5:02:07>> Yes.
5:02:07>> Is that fair to say?
5:02:08>> Yes.
5:02:10>> So between the two-minute video and the
5:02:1522 second video is an 11-minute period.
5:02:18Did you tell the jury what happened?
5:02:21>> So, this next portion of the testimony
5:02:23relies solely on Sarah's credibility.
5:02:25She's going to be stating what she
5:02:26remembers happening during the 11
5:02:28minutes between the first and second
5:02:30video, which she initially claimed that
5:02:32she had no recollection of and only
5:02:34remembers after seeing both videos while
5:02:36at the police station. Meaning that this
5:02:38is something that she only remembered
5:02:40after she was shown damning evidence
5:02:42that could be used against her. This
5:02:43version of events only came to her after
5:02:46she was made aware that she could spend
5:02:47the next decade of her life in prison
5:02:49and objectively could be used as a get
5:02:51out of jail free card. This is important
5:02:53to establish before she begins because
5:02:56it colors absolutely everything that she
5:02:58says from this point on. Whether or not
5:03:00you trust Sarah to be honest depends on
5:03:02whether you believe it is in her
5:03:03character to lie about something as
5:03:05important as the rest of her life. It
5:03:07should be noted that there is absolutely
5:03:09no supporting evidence for what she's
5:03:10about to say besides the autopsy, which
5:03:13horrifically confirms a portion of her
5:03:15story, but more on that when we get
5:03:16there. If you've made it to this portion
5:03:18in the video, please let me know if you
5:03:20were inclined to believe Sarah or not. I
5:03:22think a general poll would be
5:03:24interesting.
5:03:26Um, we continued to,
5:03:29I guess, speak to one another and,
5:03:33um, his tone changed and I
5:03:39knew the tone and, um, we ended up, I
5:03:43guess, arguing back and forth with one
5:03:45another and
5:03:51it was
5:03:53the things that he was saying. um very
5:03:55much frightened me and um cursing at me
5:03:58and threatening me and
5:04:02>> did he want you to let him out of the
5:04:03suitcase?
5:04:05>> Um I'm I'm sure so.
5:04:08>> Okay, go ahead. don't deliver.
5:04:10>> Um, and it just got it got very heated
5:04:13very quickly and he continued to push on
5:04:17the suitcase
5:04:18and um, my fear was that he was going to
5:04:22break out of the suitcase knowing that
5:04:23it was a broken suitcase.
5:04:26And um,
5:04:28his hand started to come through. His
5:04:31his hand started to come through this
5:04:32way. And so I shook the suitcase. I
5:04:36shook the suitcase trying to get his
5:04:38hand to go back in, shaking it and
5:04:40telling him that please stop doing this.
5:04:43Please, please stop doing this to me.
5:04:45Please stop doing this to me.
5:04:47>> So, his hand is
5:04:48>> to be clear, Sarah is not stating that
5:04:51her actions in this moment were
5:04:52rational. She is saying that she feared
5:04:54for her life due to the past abuse she
5:04:56suffered at George's hands. Abuse that
5:04:58is documented. and that when his tone
5:05:00changed to being aggressive, she
5:05:02immediately feared that he would break
5:05:04out of the suitcase and hurt her due to
5:05:05her past trauma. That is her argument.
5:05:08As we mentioned earlier, though, there
5:05:09is no evidence that George's tone ever
5:05:11changed. And based on the video that
5:05:13Sarah took, it's hard to believe that
5:05:15that occurred after he was begging for
5:05:17his life. We should also note that Sarah
5:05:19chose to not record any of this despite
5:05:21recording the suitcase earlier, which is
5:05:23odd. So, she only filmed the before and
5:05:25after, which does make her look bad.
5:05:28actually got out of the suitcase.
5:05:29>> Yes.
5:05:30>> And you went to the suitcase?
5:05:32>> Yes.
5:05:32>> And shook it?
5:05:33>> Yes.
5:05:34>> Did that force his hand to go back in?
5:05:36>> No.
5:05:38Um,
5:05:39>> so you're shaking it. Were you shaking
5:05:41it to try to get the suitcase his hand
5:05:43back in?
5:05:44>> Yes.
5:05:44>> How long did you shake it?
5:05:46>> I don't know.
5:05:47>> But his hand was still out.
5:05:49>> Yes.
5:05:50>> Was he trying to get out
5:05:52>> forcefully? Yes.
5:05:53>> Was he angry at you?
5:05:55>> Yes.
5:06:01Were you in fear?
5:06:03>> Always.
5:06:06>> If he would have gotten out of the
5:06:07suitcase,
5:06:10what would he have done to you?
5:06:12>> Like he used to tell me, he probably
5:06:14would have made me unrecognizable or I
5:06:16would have uh lost my life.
5:06:22>> Did you? Pausing to note that Sarah
5:06:24seems to be biting back a smile here,
5:06:26which doesn't seem appropriate due to
5:06:27what they are trying to put forth at
5:06:29this point in time.
5:06:31>> Lose the grip on a suitcase.
5:06:33>> Yes.
5:06:37>> Where was the bat in relation to the
5:06:39suitcase?
5:06:40>> Um, it was um leaning up against the
5:06:43dining room table right there.
5:06:47>> How far was the bat from the suitcase?
5:06:52>> 3 ft. two feet.
5:06:54>> Was his sand still out of the suitcase?
5:06:58>> Yes.
5:06:58>> Okay. Was he getting out of the
5:06:59suitcase?
5:07:00>> He very much was trying. Yes.
5:07:02>> And so what did you do
5:07:04>> for the split-second reaction that I
5:07:06had? I happened to see that and I
5:07:08grabbed the baseball bat and was trying
5:07:12to poke his hand to go back in to please
5:07:14don't go. Don't break through. Please.
5:07:16So I hit his hand.
5:07:19We did you hit
5:07:21the outside part of his hand?
5:07:23>> Yes.
5:07:24>> We've seen the photographs of his left
5:07:26hand. Did you cause the bruising there?
5:07:29>> I'm guessing. Yes.
5:07:32>> Now, you've seen the bat.
5:07:37>> It's a a used bat.
5:07:39>> Yes. I bought it for my son.
5:07:44>> Is this the bat you used?
5:07:46>> Yes.
5:07:48And
5:07:51you said you poked him with it.
5:07:52>> Yes. I I kind of pushed
5:07:56um like I held it with the skinny part
5:07:59here. And then
5:08:00>> So the grip here,
5:08:02>> pro it at it. Yes.
5:08:03>> You grabbed you you grabbed it with both
5:08:05hands here.
5:08:06>> Yes.
5:08:06>> And then the barrel of the bat, the big
5:08:08part of the bat is here.
5:08:10>> Correct.
5:08:11>> And you thrusted it in into the
5:08:14different areas of the suitcase. I
5:08:17started with his hands and his hand he
5:08:19was still trying to get out. He was
5:08:20still trying to do that. So I started to
5:08:24push on the suitcase around it hoping to
5:08:27have his hand retract and go back
5:08:30inside.
5:08:40>> You made those injuries.
5:08:42>> I did.
5:08:44>> We seen the photographs. Yes.
5:08:46>> We see the the bruising. Is that from
5:08:49that bat?
5:08:51>> Yes.
5:08:54>> Eventually,
5:08:57did his hand go back inside from you
5:09:00doing?
5:09:02>> Yes. Finally, he had had subsided and
5:09:06retracted his hand.
5:09:07>> So, in your mind, did you prevent him
5:09:09from attacking you?
5:09:10>> Absolutely.
5:09:12Split-second decision. Now, once he
5:09:14retracted his hand,
5:09:17did do you remember zipping it up some
5:09:19or what did you do in relation cuz he he
5:09:22was upside down, was he not at that
5:09:24point?
5:09:25>> Yes.
5:09:26>> At some point, you flipped him back up.
5:09:28>> I did.
5:09:29>> Tell tell how that happened.
5:09:32>> He wasn't
5:09:35cursing. He wasn't threatening. He his
5:09:37hand was inside foremost. There was no
5:09:40more of him trying to break through the
5:09:42suitcase.
5:09:44So, I felt
5:09:48safe enough to turn it back over. It
5:09:50wasn't
5:09:53It wasn't happening anymore.
5:09:59>> You went back to the video and the
5:10:01couch.
5:10:04>> I did. Yes.
5:10:06>> And we saw the second video. Yes.
5:10:08>> The 22nd and he's right side up again.
5:10:12>> Yes.
5:10:13>> And you hear him say Sarah.
5:10:16>> Yes.
5:10:18>> Had you left enough room for him to get
5:10:20out? Zipper to zipper.
5:10:23>> Yes. That's how his hand was trying.
5:10:26>> That that suitcase has two zippers,
5:10:28doesn't it? And they meet at various
5:10:31places along the line.
5:10:32>> Correct.
5:10:36How much room when you flipped it over,
5:10:38how much room was between zipper to
5:10:41zipper?
5:10:43>> I don't know specifically. I mean, it
5:10:45was enough to where his hand was coming
5:10:47out.
5:10:51>> After you had hit him with the bat, was
5:10:52he not trying to get out anymore?
5:10:54>> No.
5:10:59>> Did you believe that he could breathe in
5:11:00there?
5:11:01>> Yes.
5:11:03Did you ever believe he could die in
5:11:04there?
5:11:05>> No, at all.
5:11:08>> Were you trying to kill him?
5:11:10>> Never.
5:11:11>> Did you want to kill him?
5:11:14>> I did not.
5:11:22>> One of the biggest hurdles with this
5:11:23argument is that Sarah took the video of
5:11:25George telling her that he couldn't
5:11:27breathe. So, even if she sincerely
5:11:29believed that he would be fine when she
5:11:31zipped up the bag, she was told
5:11:32expressly by George that that was not
5:11:34the case. Not only that, but she mocks
5:11:36him in response, showing that she
5:11:38understands that he couldn't breathe and
5:11:40she didn't care enough to remedy the
5:11:42issue. Sarah's story also doesn't align
5:11:44with her depiction of herself. Sarah has
5:11:46emphasized on her time on the stand that
5:11:48she was the driving force for all things
5:11:50positive in their relationship. She was
5:11:52smart. She was a planner. She was the
5:11:55person who was getting George's life
5:11:56together for him, which goes against the
5:11:58idea that she somehow didn't know that
5:12:00he would die if left in the suitcase.
5:12:02She was told that that would happen. He
5:12:04cannot have been clear, and the only way
5:12:05that that version of events would make
5:12:07sense would be if she wasn't
5:12:08intelligent. But that isn't in line with
5:12:10what she has said thus far.
5:12:16>> Did you walk upstairs?
5:12:18>> I did. Yes.
5:12:20>> Why didn't you let him out before you
5:12:21walked upstairs?
5:12:25Were you afraid?
5:12:29>> Terrified is more of the word.
5:12:33>> As long as he was in the suitcase, he
5:12:34couldn't harm you.
5:12:37>> Correct.
5:12:43What? He's
5:12:51>> Did you want him to calm down?
5:12:54>> Yes. I wanted him to stop being angry
5:12:57because I know what it is for him to be
5:12:58angry.
5:13:00>> You went upstairs.
5:13:03Where were the dogs?
5:13:05>> The dogs ran upstairs with me.
5:13:09And where did they go?
5:13:11>> Um, on the bed.
5:13:19>> Did you have the phone with you?
5:13:22>> Yes.
5:13:23>> I know at some point you called your
5:13:25husband, Brian. Did you not?
5:13:26>> I did.
5:13:30>> Do you recall how long that conversation
5:13:31was?
5:13:33>> Not very long.
5:13:37Can you recall what was said?
5:13:40>> I don't remember exactly. No, I don't.
5:14:09M Sarah Boone, you said that when he was
5:14:13in the suitcase, he was threatening her.
5:14:15Threatening you. Can you tell the jury
5:14:18what he was saying?
5:14:22>> I don't know. Am I allowed to curse?
5:14:27Yes.
5:14:28>> Um that he was going to [ __ ] end me
5:14:32and it
5:14:35that's what made me ask him please to
5:14:37stop doing what he's doing to me. That
5:14:41he was going to I'm guessing try his
5:14:45best that night to probably take my
5:14:47life. But what
5:14:50the the threat you heard was he's
5:14:52>> he's going to
5:14:55>> say say the word
5:14:56>> ending.
5:14:56>> Excuse me.
5:14:57>> [ __ ] end me.
5:14:59>> End you.
5:15:00>> Yes.
5:15:05>> One more.
5:15:06>> Yes, sir.
5:15:38Miss.
5:15:39So I think we left off
5:15:43you had called um
5:15:47your ex-husband.
5:15:49>> Yes.
5:15:51>> All right.
5:15:53After after you called your ex-husband,
5:15:56what happened after that?
5:15:59>> I ended up falling asleep.
5:16:03>> Okay.
5:16:08Do you remember waking up the next
5:16:09morning?
5:16:11>> Yes.
5:16:11>> Did you sleep in?
5:16:15>> Not intentionally.
5:16:17>> Okay. But you didn't get up at 8:00, did
5:16:20you?
5:16:20>> No.
5:16:23>> Did you wake up closer to noon?
5:16:26>> I believe so. Yes.
5:16:28>> Did you check the time?
5:16:30>> No.
5:16:33Now, um, did you hear some phone your
5:16:35phone ringing?
5:16:37>> Yes, my phone was ringing.
5:16:39>> And, uh, did you answer it right away?
5:16:42>> No.
5:16:44>> Uh,
5:16:47do you know how approximately how how
5:16:49many times it rang before you answered
5:16:51it?
5:16:54>> Um, I believe the call was about three
5:16:57times.
5:16:58>> Did you know who was called? I figured
5:17:00it was my ex-husband.
5:17:02>> And why would he be calling?
5:17:04>> Um to make sure that um I was still on
5:17:08schedule to pick up our son
5:17:10>> at 3 that afternoon.
5:17:11>> Correct.
5:17:13>> And he goes to school there close by.
5:17:15>> Yes.
5:17:21>> All right. When you woke up, did you
5:17:24stay in bed for a while?
5:17:26>> For a little while. Yes.
5:17:28>> All right. Tell the jury what happened
5:17:30when you got out.
5:17:35>> I knew it was my ex-husband calling um
5:17:37repeatedly. Um
5:17:41I didn't answer right away because one
5:17:43of our problems is that he doesn't
5:17:45understand that I'm doing things around
5:17:47the apartment and looking for jobs and
5:17:49so on and so forth.
5:17:50>> Again, Sarah feels the need to disparage
5:17:52Brian despite the fact that he was only
5:17:55calling her because she used him as an
5:17:57alarm clock. Brian discussed how when he
5:17:59didn't call Sarah on her days with
5:18:00Lucas, she would sleep in far past 300
5:18:03p.m. and not pick him up from school.
5:18:05When that would happen, she would blame
5:18:07Brian, stating that it was somehow his
5:18:09fault and that he was a terrible person
5:18:11for not making sure that she kept up
5:18:13with her agreed upon schedule. But here,
5:18:15she tries to frame it as if he was
5:18:16overly needy or putting an adverse
5:18:18amount of pressure on her when she was
5:18:20already busy, which she objectively was
5:18:22not. In her own retelling of events, she
5:18:24slept in because she spent the previous
5:18:26night drinking. He was calling to ensure
5:18:28that their child wasn't left abandoned
5:18:30at school the way he had been so many
5:18:32times before. She comes across as
5:18:34callous towards those closest to her,
5:18:36and it makes her narrative harder to
5:18:38believe. Regardless of how you feel
5:18:40about George and what was done to him,
5:18:42he had abused Sarah. But if we are
5:18:43trying to establish that she was in fear
5:18:45for her life when she had left him in
5:18:47the suitcase, her dismissive and
5:18:49malicious attitude towards her former
5:18:50partner makes that a difficult road to
5:18:52follow. If we have to discuss the video
5:18:54evidence of her mocking George as being
5:18:56outside of her character, her continued
5:18:58attitude towards her former partners
5:19:00does little to bolster that argument.
5:19:03So, I inevitably
5:19:07just let it ring and I sat or I laid in
5:19:10the bed and
5:19:12I figured that George was downstairs
5:19:14either drinking or um looking for jobs
5:19:17um or may have just left. And so
5:19:22eventually I decided to get out of the
5:19:25bed and start moving to go downstairs. I
5:19:28was motivated enough to go downstairs
5:19:30and um
5:19:32when I went downstairs it was very
5:19:34quiet. So I had the understanding I
5:19:37believe that he had left. Um and
5:19:40>> did you check to see if he was where
5:19:43would he be looking for a job at?
5:19:44>> Um usually on the couch he would have my
5:19:48son's laptop and he and I which we would
5:19:50share.
5:19:51>> Y'all only have the the son's laptop.
5:19:53>> Correct.
5:19:55And the TV was not working at this time.
5:19:59>> The TV was not there. Okay.
5:20:02>> So, you thought he would be in the
5:20:04living room on on the laptop?
5:20:06>> Yes.
5:20:06>> He was not there.
5:20:08>> No.
5:20:08>> Where else did you look for?
5:20:10>> Um, I looked on the back porch. Um, I
5:20:13went through the front door um to see if
5:20:16my car was there, thinking maybe he had
5:20:17taken my car. Um, I checked the bathroom
5:20:20and when I was checking the bathroom, I
5:20:21saw the suitcase and I remember
5:20:24about the night prior and
5:20:29I unzipped the suitcase and
5:20:32>> let me stop you there.
5:20:42>> You said you were in the bathroom when
5:20:44you saw the suitcase or coming out of
5:20:45the bathroom? know where our bathroom
5:20:48is. I have to go to the bathroom here
5:20:52and then [clears throat] when I turned
5:20:53around, I noticed the suitcase and I
5:20:56remembered.
5:20:57>> How did you feel when you saw the
5:20:58suitcase?
5:21:00>> I don't think I've ever experienced
5:21:02anything like that before.
5:21:03>> Describe it for the jury.
5:21:07>> I guess it was
5:21:12I was a gas and
5:21:17I just can't describe the feeling.
5:21:19Terror to a certain degree.
5:21:21>> I'm sorry. Say that again. Now
5:21:23>> it was terror to a certain degree.
5:21:26>> Um
5:21:29I just can't describe it in words. The
5:21:31feeling
5:21:32of remembering
5:21:35and then he was still in there.
5:21:40So Sarah remembered the night before the
5:21:42moment she saw the suitcase. But
5:21:44remember, she didn't fully remember the
5:21:46night before. She only somewhat
5:21:48remembered it because she lied to the
5:21:49lead investigators initially. But it
5:21:51wasn't a purposeful lie because she only
5:21:53remembered directly before and after the
5:21:55videos because in that small window of
5:21:57time, she completely blacked out. If you
5:21:59weren't following as of now, I do
5:22:01understand because that's utter
5:22:02nonsense.
5:22:05>> So, what did you do?
5:22:07I immediately unzipped the
5:22:11I immediately unzipped the suitcase and
5:22:14I was screaming, "George, George,
5:22:17George." And I was shaking him. I was
5:22:18shaking him and I pulled him out and I
5:22:22stretched him out flat. And then I began
5:22:25instantly trying to do CPR and then was
5:22:28trying to look for a pulse or a breath
5:22:30or just anything and um was just
5:22:34screaming his name over and over and
5:22:36over again and come on George, come on,
5:22:38George. And I continued CPR, continued
5:22:43CPR, and I continued CPR. And um he was
5:22:46gurgling. And
5:22:48>> what color was he?
5:22:49>> What color was he?
5:22:51>> Yes,
5:22:52>> he was purple.
5:22:56At some point, did you call your your
5:22:58ex-husband?
5:23:00>> Yes. When he started to gurgle and I
5:23:02knew that my
5:23:06my ex-husband is notorious for bringing
5:23:09my son over in very inopportune times
5:23:12when George is possibly drunk or doing
5:23:16things not appropriate for my son to
5:23:19see. And um I just didn't know what to
5:23:22do. It was just a quick knee-jerk
5:23:25reaction. Ryan was kind of my go-to
5:23:28person because of my family being
5:23:29deceased and I don't have anyone else
5:23:31that I can call. Um, and I just wanted
5:23:33to ensure that he would not bring my son
5:23:35over in the process of all of this at
5:23:38some point.
5:23:40>> Once more, Sarah finds a way to
5:23:41disparrage Brian in the middle of this,
5:23:43which is absurd. Even though her actions
5:23:45led to the death of a person, and she is
5:23:47talking about that somehow, Brian is
5:23:50getting hit by a stray. It also should
5:23:52not be on Brian to make sure that George
5:23:54and her are behaving appropriately when
5:23:56Lucas is dropped off. She blames Brian
5:23:58for her own failures because Brian was
5:24:01not dropping Lucas off at random
5:24:02intervals. Their custody arrangement was
5:24:04predetermined. Meaning that if George or
5:24:06herself were acting inappropriately or
5:24:08doing things that they didn't want him
5:24:10to see, that was her own fault. If
5:24:12George was a negative influence and she
5:24:14didn't want her son around him, she
5:24:15should not have had her son around him
5:24:17in the first place. Additionally, it was
5:24:191:00 p.m. on a Monday. her son was at
5:24:21school. She was set to pick him up at
5:24:22300 p.m., making the thought that Brian
5:24:25would walk in with her son ridiculous.
5:24:27However, when the public was made aware
5:24:28that Sarah called Brian before calling
5:24:30the police and that she failed to call
5:24:32the police prior to his arrival at her
5:24:35apartment, they were quick to theorize
5:24:36that Sarah was calling to get help
5:24:38removing the body, or that she was
5:24:40trying to frame her ex-husband. Her
5:24:42overreiance on him, mixed with the fact
5:24:44that she had called him after trapping
5:24:46George the night before, led many people
5:24:48to speculate. And while I am doubtful
5:24:50that that is the case, her calling Brian
5:24:52at all was obviously suspicious.
5:24:55>> So you called him?
5:24:56>> I called him.
5:24:57>> Did you ask him what to do
5:25:00>> or did you just tell him to come over?
5:25:02>> I just told him to come over.
5:25:04>> Did you tell him that you felt like
5:25:05George was dead?
5:25:07>> Yes, I did.
5:25:11>> And how far you said it's 5 minutes from
5:25:14house to house?
5:25:16>> Yes.
5:25:17Did you call him back?
5:25:19>> Yes, because he was taking so long. It
5:25:21felt seconds for hours. Yes. I'm still
5:25:25doing CPR at the same time in the
5:25:27process of it
5:25:28>> of doing CPR I don't know how many
5:25:30times.
5:25:30>> Did he get there?
5:25:32>> Yes.
5:25:33>> Did he walk in?
5:25:34>> Yes.
5:25:34>> Did he walk out?
5:25:36>> Yes.
5:25:36>> What did he tell you to do?
5:25:38>> Call 911.
5:25:39>> What did you do?
5:25:40>> I called 911.
5:25:43>> Is that the recording we've heard here
5:25:45in this trial? Yes.
5:25:57>> Did you love George?
5:25:59>> I to to this day.
5:26:04>> Why would you love him?
5:26:09>> George was very
5:26:12passionate. George was a very real
5:26:16person.
5:26:18George was nice to me on the good days.
5:26:21George complimented me.
5:26:27George and I were two
5:26:30bodies with one soul. He and I would
5:26:32always say, "I don't believe that I'd
5:26:34ever had a connection with anyone like I
5:26:36have with George."
5:26:38>> Did you have that connection with your
5:26:39ex-husband?
5:26:40>> I did not.
5:26:41>> Was it even close? No.
5:26:49>> George has some good traits, doesn't he?
5:26:51>> Very much.
5:26:54>> Did George have some bad traits?
5:26:57>> He did.
5:26:59>> Did you drink too much?
5:27:02>> I did.
5:27:03>> Did George drink too much?
5:27:05>> Yes.
5:27:05>> Tell the jury about George's drink.
5:27:11Before we go any further, Sarah openly
5:27:14admitting to having an issue with
5:27:15alcohol is extremely extremely good for
5:27:17the defense. Up until this portion of
5:27:19the video, she has not admitted fault
5:27:21for anything. So, her directly stating
5:27:23that she had an issue with alcohol, her
5:27:25biggest vice, is fantastic. This was
5:27:27something she was incredibly adverse to,
5:27:29and had she denied her issues with it,
5:27:31she would have lost the jury. Her
5:27:33answers about George are extremely well
5:27:34done, which is rare in the cases we have
5:27:36covered. In the case of Nancy Broofphy,
5:27:39the romance writer would state that her
5:27:40husband's best quality and the thing
5:27:42that drew her to him the most was that
5:27:44he loved her. Her feelings towards him
5:27:46were centered on herself and she
5:27:48couldn't think of a reason beyond that
5:27:49as to why he cared. The same thing was
5:27:51true with Tony Todd, but Sarah talks
5:27:53about things she liked about George that
5:27:55have nothing to do with her. The last 2
5:27:57minutes and 16 seconds of her testimony
5:27:59is excellently done. The previous hour
5:28:01was questionable at best, but this small
5:28:04moment was fantastic. I didn't expect to
5:28:06be saying that at all. But before we
5:28:08proceed, the next section of the
5:28:09testimony will be going over the abuse
5:28:11that she suffered at George's hands.
5:28:13Pictures of her injuries will be shown,
5:28:15and as such, if you find that kind of
5:28:17imagery disturbing, I recommend that you
5:28:19click off the video now. Your mental
5:28:20well-being is important, and if you
5:28:22believe that this could harm you, please
5:28:23do not watch. With all of that said, if
5:28:26you are still here with us, we shall
5:28:27continue.
5:28:31If George was able to, he would drink
5:28:33from sun up to sun down. And
5:28:37me having my son and trying to work and
5:28:41maintain the home and
5:28:44just have a life, a normal life as best
5:28:47as I could. Somehow that upset George.
5:28:51And because I had
5:28:54a certain dollar amount from my divorce
5:28:57settlement
5:28:59at one point it was from wine we could
5:29:02afford vodka. So a lot of the times he
5:29:05would take my car and my debit card and
5:29:07go buy the large we call them handles of
5:29:12vodka which is the big big bottle. And
5:29:15sometimes he would finish that all off
5:29:16on his own throughout an entire period
5:29:19um of a of a day of a day into an
5:29:22evening. That's honestly where I thought
5:29:24that he was going to be that morning
5:29:25when I came downstairs because he's
5:29:27notorious for just automatically already
5:29:29being outside from drinking all the
5:29:31time.
5:29:37And um
5:29:45you said you have an alcohol problem.
5:29:49>> George has an alcohol problem.
5:29:51>> Yes.
5:30:02How did George's drinking
5:30:06adversely affect you?
5:30:13It would debilitate my ability to help
5:30:17him the way that I was always trying to
5:30:19help him because it would be one good
5:30:23day, a day of survival. Um, and then it
5:30:27would be another day where I'm having to
5:30:29peel him off of me and call 911.
5:30:35>> Why Why would he get that one? Tell us
5:30:36tell us his pattern as it relates to
5:30:39drinking. And then
5:30:42objective.
5:30:51>> Y'all were together three and a half
5:30:52years.
5:30:53>> Yes.
5:30:54Is there times when when he would get to
5:30:57a a state of intoxication where he would
5:30:59get violent against you?
5:31:01>> Quite often.
5:31:06>> Judge, can I approach the witness?
5:31:07>> Yes. As long as you show it to the state
5:31:09first, please.
5:31:32I'm going to show you defense
5:31:36exhibit for identification P. It's two
5:31:39photographs. Could you look at those
5:31:41photographs and see if you recognize
5:31:42those?
5:31:44>> I do.
5:31:48Are those two pictures of your body?
5:31:50>> Yes.
5:31:51>> Did they sew injuries to your body?
5:31:54>> Yes.
5:31:57>> Were those injuries caused by George
5:31:59Torres?
5:32:00>> Yes.
5:32:01>> Are those photographs a fair and
5:32:03accurate depiction of the injuries you
5:32:05sustained at the hands of George Torres?
5:32:07>> On this occurrence? Yes.
5:32:09>> Do you remember this occurrence?
5:32:13>> I don't. It was so often.
5:32:16You don't remember a specific specific
5:32:18date?
5:32:19>> I don't.
5:32:21>> But you're sure that that's you?
5:32:23>> Yes.
5:32:23>> Is that the injuries that he
5:32:26What's the injury to the rib cage?
5:32:29>> Um
5:32:31I don't remember specifically. This may
5:32:33these may be the pictures.
5:32:37So
5:32:39uh when we used to go over to his
5:32:41brother's house, his one of his brothers
5:32:43and his nonresponsive
5:32:46>> sustained.
5:32:51>> Do you know what happened to Did Did
5:32:53George cause these injuries?
5:32:55>> Yes.
5:32:56>> Pardon.
5:32:56>> Did were y'all both drinking at that
5:32:58time?
5:33:00>> I don't remember on this.
5:33:03>> Judge, I'd like to move this exhibit
5:33:05into evidence. Okay.
5:33:06>> What was pre-marked as P will be
5:33:08received into evidence without objection
5:33:10is defense exhibit two.
5:33:20Mr.
5:33:26>> Mr. J, would you be so kind?
5:33:29Thank you.
5:33:39>> And I need to ask permission to
5:33:40accomplish.
5:33:41>> Yes, sir.
5:33:42You may do so.
5:33:57>> Looks like there I think there's a wheel
5:33:58on the top where you can use to
5:34:02There you go.
5:34:13It's an objective fact that George
5:34:15abused Sarah. That point is not in
5:34:17question and the defense is going to be
5:34:18showcasing that fact. They are doing
5:34:20this to emphasize that Sarah was in
5:34:22reasonable fear for her life when she
5:34:24trapped George in the suitcase and that
5:34:26she genuinely believed that he was going
5:34:28to hurt her if he got out. We've already
5:34:30gone over why that argument falls apart
5:34:32and how her earlier statements work
5:34:33against her. But we are not going to cut
5:34:35this portion out even if we have little
5:34:37commentary because it's important that
5:34:39you see every part of the testimony. The
5:34:41next hour will have almost no commentary
5:34:43given the contents of the testimony. As
5:34:45such, if you prefer to watch the
5:34:47original uploads, they will be provided
5:34:48down below or if you wish to click off
5:34:50the video, we completely understand.
5:34:54>> Is that you?
5:34:56>> Yes.
5:34:58Are those injuries to your arm?
5:35:00>> Yes.
5:35:02>> Were they caused by George Corin?
5:35:04>> Yes.
5:35:05>> And during the same incident, his
5:35:07tissue?
5:35:08>> Yes.
5:35:12>> Is that an injury or bruise to your rib
5:35:14cage area?
5:35:16>> Yes.
5:35:16>> And your arm?
5:35:17>> Yes.
5:35:31I'll show you identification
5:35:35identification. Cute. See if you
5:35:37recognize that photograph.
5:35:42>> Yes.
5:35:44>> Is that your thigh?
5:35:46>> Yes.
5:35:46>> Okay. Do you remember this incident?
5:35:48>> Yes.
5:35:49>> Can you tell the jury what happened?
5:35:51I wanted to take my dogs for a walk and
5:35:54get off of the back porch.
5:35:56>> Were you all drinking?
5:35:58>> Yes.
5:35:59And um
5:36:02he was upset that I would rather go walk
5:36:04my dogs than um sit there and continue
5:36:07to drink. Um so he slapped my thigh as
5:36:11possibly hard as he possibly could and
5:36:13said, "You're not going anywhere." And
5:36:15it was
5:36:18it was a good smack on my thigh.
5:36:22>> Is that a fair and accurate depiction of
5:36:23the uh the wound that you suffered as a
5:36:26result of George Torres slapping you on
5:36:28the side?
5:36:28>> Yes.
5:36:30>> Judge, I'd like to offer Q evidence.
5:36:33>> Objection.
5:36:34>> What was pre-marked as Q will be
5:36:35received into evidence. Without
5:36:37objection is defense three.
5:36:49You may, sir.
5:36:52>> For the juryy's sake, is this the
5:36:54photograph you just mentioned?
5:36:56>> Yes.
5:37:08Let's show you identification defense
5:37:10identification S. See if you recognize
5:37:14that photograph.
5:37:16>> I do.
5:37:18>> Is that your hand?
5:37:20>> Yes.
5:37:20>> Is that your blood on your hand?
5:37:22>> Yes, it is.
5:37:23>> Is that you standing looks like in a
5:37:25room with flip-flops?
5:37:27>> This is in the kitchen at Brian's house.
5:37:30>> Okay. What happened there?
5:37:34So, George was
5:37:37very drunk and um I wanted to leave and
5:37:41he's notorious for taking my car keys
5:37:43and putting them around his neck and my
5:37:46phone in his his crotch area and telling
5:37:49me to come get them. And I really wanted
5:37:52to leave because of how drunk and I knew
5:37:54the escalation of his anger. I didn't
5:37:56want to be there when it was at its
5:37:59peak. So, I tried to take my keys from
5:38:03around him cuz he kept taunting me to
5:38:05take my keys. Come get your keys. And
5:38:08so, I attempted to go and get my keys.
5:38:11And so, um, he ended up getting a
5:38:14butcher knife. And, um, I called I had
5:38:17an opportunity to call Brian to come and
5:38:20help me to please come pick me up to
5:38:22come get me. And of course, he brings my
5:38:25son with him. And so I'm in the parking
5:38:29lot asking Brian to please help me get
5:38:32my car keys away from him. And there's
5:38:34neighbors and it's a it's a scene at
5:38:36this point. And George comes to the
5:38:40doorway of my town home wielding the
5:38:42butcher knife saying that do I curse?
5:38:47>> That no one's going to take her [ __ ]
5:38:49keys. No one's going to [ __ ] come
5:38:50into this house. And he's waving the
5:38:52butcher knife. And um
5:38:55I walked up to him and I I just wanted
5:38:59to leave. And my little son who was I
5:39:01believe seven or eight at the time just
5:39:03is screaming, "Give mommy her keys. Give
5:39:05mommy her keys. Let her leave." Brian
5:39:08was even trying to negotiate with him
5:39:09saying, "Please, you know, you know
5:39:11she'll come back. Just just let her just
5:39:14let her leave." So, I went up to try and
5:39:17take the keys from him and he was
5:39:20pulling on them and I ended up pulling
5:39:23harder and um he pulled them back again
5:39:26to try to pull me in the house and I
5:39:28pulled them even harder and it ripped my
5:39:30finger and I at one point the I had lost
5:39:35the fingernail and the tip of my pinky
5:39:38was severely gashed.
5:39:41>> Judge, I'd like to offer this command.
5:39:44Okay.
5:39:45>> What was it pre-marked as council?
5:39:47>> Just like sad.
5:39:52>> What was pre-marked as defense S will be
5:39:54received into evidence without objection
5:39:56as defense for
5:40:07the jury's sake. Is this the picture you
5:40:09referring to?
5:40:11Is that is that the nail?
5:40:15I believe so. Yes.
5:40:24>> Now I'm showing you a composite
5:40:26identification L two photographs.
5:40:30Can you look at those photographs and
5:40:33tell the jury what they are?
5:40:36I wanted to eat and I while he was
5:40:40drinking
5:40:42um
5:40:44went and made myself
5:40:47uh as quickly as I possibly could a
5:40:49micro microwave full of I believe it was
5:40:52broccoli and cheddar soup and I didn't
5:40:56get it out enough time and he came up
5:40:58behind me and he slapped it out of my
5:40:59hand and it was a secondderee burn. when
5:41:03I went to the hospital for it. Um,
5:41:06>> are those fair and accurate depictions
5:41:08of the injury, the burn to your thigh?
5:41:10>> Yes.
5:41:12>> Would like to offer identification L and
5:41:14evidence.
5:41:16>> Oops. Premarked as L will be received
5:41:18into evidence without objection as
5:41:20defense 5.
5:41:27>> Yes, sir.
5:41:30You had to go to the hospital as a
5:41:32result of these injuries to your thigh.
5:41:34>> Yes. Extremely painful.
5:41:37>> Is that a depiction of the burn?
5:41:39>> Yes.
5:41:44>> Is that your thigh?
5:41:45>> My thigh? Yes.
5:41:46>> And your knee?
5:41:47>> Yes.
5:42:03All right, I'm showing you
5:42:07deposit exhibit for identification.
5:42:08Okay, four photographs.
5:42:12Did you look at those all four before
5:42:15commenting?
5:42:22This is a longer story, isn't it?
5:42:26Go ahead and tell him.
5:42:33>> So,
5:42:36George stabbed me in my leg.
5:42:39I almost bled to death.
5:42:41>> All right. Well, let's let's go back
5:42:44and explain what led up to that.
5:42:46I thought it would be nice to cook a
5:42:49nice steak dinner. We don't have two
5:42:50nickels up together, so I thought it
5:42:53would be special to make a steak dinner
5:42:56and baked potato and
5:42:58go above the normal whatever's left over
5:43:01in the refrigerator. And um so I spent a
5:43:05lot of time doing that and um
5:43:10George is drinking the entire time and
5:43:13on the back porch. You were drinking as
5:43:15well, do you know?
5:43:16>> I was drinking. Um he was on the back
5:43:18porch while I was in the house and I was
5:43:21cooking. And um
5:43:25it was one of those where maybe if I
5:43:27start making dinner now, it will be over
5:43:30at a particular time and we can go to
5:43:31bed at a reasonable time. And um I even
5:43:36put it in the bedroom and had a movie
5:43:38set up for us to watch. Um so it would
5:43:40just kind of be dinner in bed. And then
5:43:44um he came upstairs and saw that I had
5:43:47made the steak dinner and
5:43:52I don't know how to describe how drunk
5:43:53he was, but it definitely was not
5:43:56George. and um had him come lay on the
5:44:00bed, sit on the bed and you know put the
5:44:02um I I got the dogs out and um I
5:44:06presented him with the state dinner and
5:44:09um sat down and uh was getting ready to
5:44:11start playing the movie and um he starts
5:44:15being very
5:44:18rude and
5:44:22cursing the steak and
5:44:25finding fault with it And then um you
5:44:28know I'm having to encourage him to eat.
5:44:30You know, if you want me to cut it up
5:44:31for you, I will cut it up for you. Did
5:44:33you want some more sour cream for your
5:44:35your potato? What can I do to make you
5:44:37happier? And um then he started to pull
5:44:40on me and kept saying that excuse me
5:44:43that I just want to [ __ ] you. [ __ ] you
5:44:45on the steak and [ __ ] you on the on the
5:44:46potatoes. And I took offense to that and
5:44:50I kept trying to encourage him to eat. I
5:44:54started to eat. Is this just him really
5:44:55drunk and saying nonsense?
5:45:01>> I don't know why he was so angry that
5:45:03day. I don't know if it's because I was
5:45:06I I got steak. I don't know. I most of
5:45:08the time I don't know the reason why. Um
5:45:11so [clears throat]
5:45:13um
5:45:15I couldn't take it anymore. Obviously I
5:45:18was not going to be able to eat. So, I
5:45:21started to crawl off of the bed to leave
5:45:23um just just the bedroom and he told me
5:45:27again that I'm not going anywhere and he
5:45:29stabbed me in my leg and it crunched.
5:45:33You could hear a noise that it made and
5:45:36blood just started to come out of my leg
5:45:38just like a fountain. So, I got off of
5:45:42the bed. He's starting to freak out and
5:45:44um grabbed me a towel. Um, I got a wet
5:45:48towel and I'm sitting here holding the
5:45:49towel and um, it's increasingly becoming
5:45:54even more and more saturated saturated
5:45:56by the minute. It's just minutes. So,
5:45:57I'm going my through towels and towels
5:45:59and I said, "George, I think I need to
5:46:01go to the hospital. This is not this is
5:46:03not stopping to bleed. This is serious."
5:46:06And um, he got on his knees and begged
5:46:10me, "Please don't call the police.
5:46:12Please don't call the police. Please
5:46:14don't call the police."
5:46:16Um, and inevitably he went and got my
5:46:20car keys and put them around his neck
5:46:21again and my cell phone. So I was not
5:46:24able to call him call anyone and I
5:46:26wasn't able to
5:46:29leave in my car. So
5:46:32I figured I would just go downstairs and
5:46:35I'm just going to go downstairs. And I
5:46:37had propped my foot up on the glass
5:46:39table that we had and blood is just
5:46:41everywhere. Blood is everywhere.
5:46:44Um, I can't keep up with the amount of
5:46:46blood and I'm starting to feel very weak
5:46:48and really weird. And he comes
5:46:51downstairs and he's still begging me,
5:46:52"Please don't call 911. Please don't
5:46:54call 911." I I kept telling him,
5:46:56"There's something this is serious. This
5:46:58is this is something." Um, because he
5:47:01knew that he would probably get arrested
5:47:02or something bad would happen to him.
5:47:05So, I I couldn't take him anymore. He
5:47:07was just all over me and just I'm
5:47:09bleeding. I'm I'm bleeding very badly
5:47:11and he's having me try to console him.
5:47:14And I kept telling him, "Please, I need
5:47:16to call 911. Please." And I said, "Okay,
5:47:20just let me just give me a moment." And
5:47:22I crawled upstairs to my son's bathroom,
5:47:25which is the furthest bathroom away from
5:47:27everything. And I remember holding on to
5:47:30the sink, and I looked into the mirror,
5:47:32and my lips were blue. And I I knew I
5:47:36needed help. I I needed help. and he
5:47:39came upstairs looking frantic for me and
5:47:42calling my name. And then um
5:47:46I turned to him and I said, "Please, I'm
5:47:49I'm I'm going to die. I I've lost a lot
5:47:52of blood. There's something wrong. My
5:47:54lips are blue. Please, please, we don't
5:47:56have to call an ambulance. If you could
5:47:58just take me just I'll drive whatever I
5:48:00can do, please, to go to the hospital
5:48:02for this." and he said that before
5:48:07anything happens, I had to concoct a
5:48:10story in order for him to not be
5:48:11arrested or be in trouble when we did
5:48:13inevitably get to the hospital.
5:48:16So, I'm sitting there with this blood
5:48:18soaked towel
5:48:21with blue lips trying to come up with a
5:48:23story of what I can tell them when I go
5:48:25down there so he's not in trouble and
5:48:26telling him that it's okay. And I came
5:48:29up with the
5:48:32the story of that we were sword fighting
5:48:34silly after drinking with our steak
5:48:37knives and he accidentally
5:48:40punctured my leg and from there
5:48:43>> how did you get to the hospital?
5:48:45>> Originally um he told me to drive and
5:48:48because of the amount of alcohol that he
5:48:51drank and it was I couldn't. So, um, he
5:48:56got into the driver's seat and drove me
5:48:58and the entire time he's barking at me
5:49:00to make sure that I get the story
5:49:02straight. We're sword fighting. Okay. We
5:49:04were drunk, you know.
5:49:05>> Did you go to Did you go
5:49:06>> silly? Yes.
5:49:08>> All right. And did uh you get treated
5:49:10there?
5:49:10>> Yes. Um, I I was bloody and um
5:49:15>> All right. Let me show you the photos.
5:49:18I show you these.
5:49:21>> All right. Is this a fair and accurate
5:49:22depiction of the injury to your leg?
5:49:27>> Yes. I had to go to two different
5:49:29hospitals for it.
5:49:31>> And you lied to medical personnel about
5:49:35how this happened.
5:49:36>> Yes, they brought in sheriffs and
5:49:38everything.
5:49:39>> Was it consistent with they brought in
5:49:40sheriffs? Did you Did you have to answer
5:49:42to the law enforcement officers?
5:49:44>> Yes.
5:49:45>> Did you uh stick with the story that you
5:49:47and George had agreed?
5:49:49>> I did. Judge, I'd like to offer this
5:49:53deposit.
5:49:55Okay.
5:49:56>> What was pre-marked as K will be
5:49:58received into evidence without objection
5:49:59as defendant six.
5:50:15make up a shirt.
5:50:16>> Thanks.
5:50:28>> And is this is this you at the hospital?
5:50:32>> Yes.
5:50:42>> This is what you want.
5:50:44>> Yes. My foot.
5:50:46>> Is this a closeup of the stab?
5:50:52>> Was that Did you hurt your foot?
5:50:55>> No. Due to the injury, I had
5:50:59um other problems with the the surgery.
5:51:03>> Okay.
5:51:05But you eventually recovered.
5:51:08>> Eventually, yes.
5:51:09>> Do you have a scar to that effect?
5:51:10>> I do.
5:51:13Joe, could you step down?
5:51:16>> Mr. Jay,
5:51:18>> you may
5:51:21there's a lock, sir.
5:51:24>> Out.
5:51:27>> I don't know how to do this, Judge.
5:51:29Because we've got this phone.
5:51:31>> They can probably see it from there.
5:51:36>> Is this Is this the injury here?
5:51:40>> What's up here? There's an engine.
5:52:01>> All right. I'm showing you
5:52:02identification T.
5:52:05You recognize that photograph?
5:52:08>> I do.
5:52:09>> Yes. All right.
5:52:12Looks like you got an injury to your lip
5:52:15and to your face. Do you recall this
5:52:17event?
5:52:19>> I was trying to sleep. And
5:52:21>> have y'all been drinking?
5:52:24>> I I'm I'm sure. Um I know that he had
5:52:28been drinking. This is one of the
5:52:29instances where I would go upstairs to
5:52:31try to go to sleep.
5:52:33>> But y'all drank together a lot, did you
5:52:34not?
5:52:36>> Sometimes. Yes. But there were times
5:52:39where he wanted to stay up and continue
5:52:40to drink and you wanted to go to bed.
5:52:43>> Many times. Yes.
5:52:46>> You were done. He was not.
5:52:49>> Correct.
5:52:50>> Was that one of these times?
5:52:52>> Yes.
5:52:55>> So tell us what happened.
5:52:57I'm sleeping in the bed, found asleep,
5:53:01and he comes into the room and grabs me
5:53:05by my hair a lot of the times. And
5:53:08from here, he scratched me from trying
5:53:11to grab me and then grabbed my hair and
5:53:14pulled me off of the bed and then rad my
5:53:16face across the carpet. These are these
5:53:19are carpet burns.
5:53:20>> To your lips?
5:53:21>> Yes.
5:53:21>> What about to the looks like the eyebrow
5:53:23area? that somewhere he from grabbing me
5:53:27scratched me and got a hold of me by my
5:53:30hair.
5:53:32>> Why was he mad at you?
5:53:35>> Because I wasn't downstairs with him.
5:53:37>> He wanted you to be drinking with him
5:53:40>> all the time.
5:53:42>> All right. I'd like to introduce the
5:53:45identification tea and evidence.
5:53:48>> What was pre-marked as tea will be
5:53:49received into evidence without
5:53:50objection. It's defense exhibit at 7.
5:53:59Oh,
5:54:00>> you may sir.
5:54:10>> Do you see the injury between the eyes
5:54:12and the injury to the lip?
5:54:14>> Yes.
5:54:16>> As you described?
5:54:17>> Yes. And then the blood going down my
5:54:18eye. Yes.
5:54:26showing you what has been marked exhibit
5:54:29identification.
5:54:33>> Yes.
5:54:35>> Can you describe that photograph?
5:54:38>> I can
5:54:39go ahead.
5:54:41>> Uh this was the first time that I ever
5:54:43called 911. Um George and I had gone to
5:54:46a bar across the street within walking
5:54:49distance and um
5:54:52at some point um I asked a a guy or he
5:54:58asked me somehow or another it was over
5:54:59a cigarette and um he left and I didn't
5:55:04know where he went and the bartender
5:55:05said, "Oh, he he left. He took your car
5:55:07and he left." So um
5:55:10>> why would he do that?
5:55:13Well, I found out when I got home it was
5:55:16because I spoke to a another man
5:55:19and um so I paid the tab and I I walked
5:55:24home and he's sitting on the back porch
5:55:28with the handle of vodka
5:55:32and I was walking on eggshells and
5:55:37terrified and kind of treaded lightly
5:55:39when I came in and he acted all natural
5:55:41and fine.
5:55:42So I didn't know the reason why that he
5:55:45had just gotten up and left with my car.
5:55:48So then um
5:55:52he calls me a [ __ ] and [clears throat]
5:55:53then he calls me a [ __ ] So then he
5:55:55calls me a [ __ ] and gets up and pushes
5:55:58me. And he pushed me with both of his
5:56:01hands so hard that we have um this
5:56:05little area where our washer and dryer
5:56:07is and there are metal doors that are on
5:56:09it. and he pushed me into the metal
5:56:12door. And then I fell back and he got
5:56:15his knees on top of me on my arms here.
5:56:18So I was pinned down and was started to
5:56:21strangle me and hit my head up against
5:56:23the metal closet over and over and over
5:56:25and over and over again and calling me a
5:56:27[ __ ] [ __ ] and you're such a [ __ ] and
5:56:30[ __ ] you and everything. And um
5:56:33I my tongue was flopping out of my mouth
5:56:36and I was I thought I was going to bite
5:56:37my tongue off. And
5:56:41because of the amount of noise I guess
5:56:43my head was making on the metal door, he
5:56:45slid me down and got back on me and then
5:56:48started to strangle me again. And it was
5:56:51on we have carpet but it's very it's
5:56:54like concrete and
5:56:57I was able to
5:56:59get my arms out from underneath and grab
5:57:02his throat and get him off of me. So I
5:57:05get I got him off of me and I pushed him
5:57:07off and he came up and he goes, "You
5:57:10[ __ ] bitch." And he stomped my face.
5:57:14And the next thing I know I woke up. I
5:57:19obviously blacked out. No,
5:57:21>> I'm I'm obviously I guess. Yes. And um
5:57:26he was passed out on the floor and I
5:57:29woke up frantic looking for my phone and
5:57:33I immediately called 911.
5:57:37>> Okay. The police police arrived on that
5:57:39incident?
5:57:40>> Yes, they did.
5:57:41>> Is this a fair and accurate depiction of
5:57:42the injury you sustained as a result of
5:57:44him kicking you?
5:57:46>> Stomping? Yes.
5:57:47>> A stomp?
5:57:48>> Stomp. All I saw was his heel.
5:57:52>> This is would ask that this be
5:57:54identification you be admitted.
5:57:56>> What was pre-marked as you will be
5:57:58received without objection is defense 8.
5:58:22Is that was that the next day or is that
5:58:24a few days later?
5:58:27>> Um, that's a couple of days later.
5:58:31>> And that's the bruising from the taking
5:58:33of his eye.
5:58:35>> Yeah.
5:58:36>> Now, the police were called and we'll
5:58:38talk about that in a minute, but
5:58:48I'm showing you identification V
5:58:50defense. Could you recognize that
5:58:53you have this?
5:58:54>> Yes.
5:58:56>> Can you um identify that picture?
5:59:00>> Um yes.
5:59:02>> Is that your leg?
5:59:03>> Yes.
5:59:05>> And uh is that was like the injury to
5:59:08your knee?
5:59:08>> Yes.
5:59:11Is that a fair and accurate depiction of
5:59:12the injury you sustained to your knee?
5:59:14>> Yes.
5:59:15>> Do you remember how that happened?
5:59:16>> Yes.
5:59:17>> Can you tell the jury?
5:59:19>> I was trying to get off of the back
5:59:21porch and he grabbed me and pushed me
5:59:24and it was a rock or a really p sharp
5:59:28piece of mulch
5:59:31um from him grabbing me and pushing me
5:59:33onto the ground and I I guess I just
5:59:36happened to hit my knee just right on
5:59:38whatever it was. Were y'all drinking?
5:59:40>> Yes.
5:59:42>> Why? Why did he get the push?
5:59:44>> Because I wanted to get off of the back
5:59:46porch. And
5:59:47>> he wanted to stay out there.
5:59:49>> Yes.
5:59:49>> He wanted you to be with him. What
5:59:52What's the deal with him wanting to be
5:59:53with you all day?
5:59:55>> Insecurity, I guess. I don't know.
5:59:59I don't know.
6:00:00>> Did you do your best to please him?
6:00:04>> And then some. Yes.
6:00:07>> All right. I'd like to introduce
6:00:09evidence identification.
6:00:11>> Okay.
6:00:11>> What was pre-marked as B will be
6:00:13received into evidence without objection
6:00:15as defense nine.
6:00:17>> Now, Ben, were you treated for this or
6:00:19or did you self treat?
6:00:22>> Um [clears throat]
6:00:26the jury now.
6:00:28>> No, that was just I got um the first aid
6:00:32kit that I had for my son and I just
6:00:34clean it up.
6:00:35>> You what? I said, "I got the um first
6:00:38aid kit that I had for my son and I just
6:00:40pinned it up
6:00:42and put a band-aid on it."
6:00:49I'm showing you identification W
6:00:52identification. You recognize that
6:00:54photograph?
6:00:55>> Yes.
6:00:55>> What is that a photograph of?
6:00:57>> This is a photograph of my arm.
6:01:00>> And uh is that a fair and accurate
6:01:02depiction of the arm with some type of
6:01:04injury? Yes. Do
6:01:05>> you remember this event
6:01:07>> multiple times? Yes.
6:01:09>> Well, I'm talking about this isolated
6:01:11event where this photograph was taken.
6:01:13The injury you sustained.
6:01:14>> Yep.
6:01:15>> Who get who who injured your arm?
6:01:17>> George Torres.
6:01:18>> You remember this event?
6:01:20>> Yes.
6:01:21>> Can you tell the jury about it? This was
6:01:23one of the instances where I would try
6:01:25to pull away from him and I don't know
6:01:28how my arm started to do this but
6:01:32um from him him pulling from this way
6:01:35how hard he would pull
6:01:37um with me trying to struggle to get
6:01:39away from him it it would leave these
6:01:42bloody um under the skin splotches.
6:01:46>> So he wouldn't hit you sometimes he
6:01:47would just grab you and pull you.
6:01:49>> Yes. from me trying to pull away from
6:01:51him. That's the point of it doing this
6:01:54from me pulling away from him.
6:01:55>> This is one of the many times y'all were
6:01:57both intoxicated.
6:01:59>> Um I mean I can't say for sure that Yes.
6:02:02But whenever it would happen, yes, we
6:02:05would be thinking
6:02:10>> identification W in the evidence.
6:02:12>> What was pre-marked as W will be
6:02:14received into evidence without objection
6:02:16as defense exhibit 10.
6:02:25You may, sir.
6:02:28>> It It doesn't look like a like a wound
6:02:31or anything. Objection.
6:02:34>> Sustained.
6:02:34>> Tell me.
6:02:35>> I'm sorry. Tell me. You said it's just
6:02:38from the grip, him losing his grip.
6:02:42>> Yes. It would be from me pulling away
6:02:44from him and whatever under the skin it
6:02:46was that it was disturbed from the
6:02:48amount of pressure of him holding and
6:02:50then pulling from me would create those
6:02:52on my arms.
6:02:54>> Okay.
6:03:02Show you
6:03:06exhibit X for identification.
6:03:11>> Yes.
6:03:13And what is that picture of?
6:03:15>> This is a picture of my ear, side of my
6:03:18head.
6:03:20>> Is that a fair and accurate depiction?
6:03:22>> Yes.
6:03:22>> Of the injury you sustained by George
6:03:24Durant?
6:03:25>> Yes.
6:03:26>> Do you remember this event?
6:03:27>> Yes.
6:03:28>> Were you drinking?
6:03:30>> I at the time was not drinking alcohol.
6:03:32>> On this event, you were you had not
6:03:34consumed any alcohol.
6:03:35>> Um I'm I mean I may have earlier. This
6:03:38was another I was in the bed trying to
6:03:40sleep.
6:03:41Where was George?
6:03:42>> Um downstairs came.
6:03:45>> All right. And so
6:03:50you you were wanting to go to bed and he
6:03:52wanted you to stay down there with him.
6:03:55>> Yes, I was in the bed.
6:03:57>> All right. Tell the jury what happened
6:03:59on this incident. I believe this was the
6:04:01instant where I was in the bed and he
6:04:06I used to barricade the door with our
6:04:09dresser.
6:04:10>> Why didn't you just lock it?
6:04:12>> All of the locks were broken in my home.
6:04:15>> They were from George sitting in them,
6:04:18including my sons. At one point, I could
6:04:20seek refuge in my son's room, but he
6:04:21broke that one as well.
6:04:23>> Well, tell me explain how that happens.
6:04:27Tell the jury. We can't read your mind.
6:04:32>> George wants me, which he has told me
6:04:34numerous times that I'm to be with him
6:04:36at all times and doesn't like to be uh
6:04:40apart from me or away from me. So
6:04:43whenever it was even just to go to the
6:04:45bathroom, sometimes I he would go with
6:04:48me. And you have to understand I have a
6:04:51two-story
6:04:52900 foot town home. So there's not many
6:04:55places to go. So it just happened to be
6:04:57that
6:04:58it would be upstairs or downstairs or
6:05:00I'd be in a particular room or not. So
6:05:02um inevitably
6:05:03>> Did you want some time away?
6:05:06>> Yes, I did. Even if it were just him
6:05:09upstairs or me downstairs or vice versa.
6:05:12So I rarely got to sleep. Um, this was
6:05:16one of the instances because I had
6:05:18barricaded the door with our I don't
6:05:21know 200lb dresser that we had and then
6:05:24um I had my nightstand barricaded up
6:05:26against that up against the bed to where
6:05:29it was even more difficult from the
6:05:30prior times of him breaking in. Um, and
6:05:33he [clears throat] would, I don't know
6:05:35how he would ever do it, but he would
6:05:36get himself in through the the crack of
6:05:39the door that he would be able to wedge
6:05:41in and wedge the dresser in the
6:05:44nightstand. And he pulled me out of the
6:05:46bed and and told me I was going to die.
6:05:50And um,
6:05:53it's I believe it's this infant and then
6:05:55and punched me and
6:05:57>> punched you in the side of the head.
6:06:00>> Yes. my temple and everything.
6:06:02>> Was it an open fist or a closed fist or
6:06:05do you know?
6:06:06>> It was fully closed.
6:06:14>> You like identification X introduced in
6:06:18what was pre-marked as X will be
6:06:20received without objection as defense
6:06:22exhibit 11.
6:06:36I'm showing you
6:06:38this exhibit
6:06:40about you.
6:06:42>> Yes.
6:06:46>> Did you get any treatment for that
6:06:49>> medical treatment?
6:06:50>> I know the police came, but I don't
6:06:52remember. I remember it hurt for a good
6:06:54solid two weeks after that. Is this one
6:06:56of the incidents where the police were
6:06:57called?
6:06:58>> Yes.
6:07:13>> Now, do you recognize this photograph
6:07:15which is identification? Why?
6:07:17>> Yes.
6:07:20>> Was that the date of the incident, the
6:07:22date of this event?
6:07:24>> No. What happened prior? I mean, but
6:07:26this picture that was taken of the
6:07:28>> This picture was taken would have been
6:07:30taken February 24th of 2020.
6:07:33>> Yes.
6:07:34>> And do you recognize that as your
6:07:38f closeup facial?
6:07:41>> Yes.
6:07:41>> Is that a fair and accurate depiction of
6:07:43how your face looked on February 23rd of
6:07:452020?
6:07:46>> Yes.
6:07:46>> What's the significance of that?
6:07:50again because I was sleeping. Um, George
6:07:53was upset with me and came in with a
6:07:57metal curtain rod and bent it and
6:08:01snapped it in half and then crunched me
6:08:03the forehead [clears throat] with it.
6:08:06Um, and it started to beat the furniture
6:08:09that was in the um in the bedroom.
6:08:14Um, it this is probably a good month. uh
6:08:20before or after it had happened. Before
6:08:22I really believe that I should have
6:08:24gotten stitches, but I was not allowed
6:08:25to go to the hospital.
6:08:27>> Judge, I'd like identification why I
6:08:30introduced the evidence.
6:08:31>> It was a gash.
6:08:33>> What was pre-marked as Y will be
6:08:35receiving evidence without objection as
6:08:36defense 12.
6:08:39>> Is that the same curtain rod that you
6:08:41mentioned in the 2-hour interrogation
6:08:43video,
6:08:43>> which they didn't take? Yes.
6:08:56This was photographs that were taken the
6:08:58uh
6:09:00I guess it would have been the the crime
6:09:02scene. Was it the crime scene
6:09:05investigator that came out and took
6:09:06photographs?
6:09:07>> I don't remember who it was, but yes,
6:09:09someone did on the day of the incident.
6:09:11>> Was it different from the uh
6:09:14extraction the foam extraction expert?
6:09:16Was it somebody different?
6:09:19>> I think.
6:09:22>> But this is it. This is it. This uh
6:09:24wound right here.
6:09:25>> Yes. And remember that's a month later.
6:09:31>> And then on that same date uh they took
6:09:35same time they took this photograph as
6:09:36well which is uh identification R.
6:09:42>> Yes.
6:09:45All right. And what is that?
6:09:48>> Um, I believe it's from holding the
6:09:51baseball bat. And
6:09:52>> is that an injury to your hand?
6:09:54>> It's a bruise.
6:09:56>> Was that taken u
6:10:00February was it February 23rd, 2020 when
6:10:04the investigators came out when
6:10:06>> February 24th? I believe
6:10:08>> February 24th.
6:10:14I'd like to introduce identification law
6:10:17today.
6:10:27>> What was pre-marked as defense R will be
6:10:29received into evidence without objection
6:10:31is defense 13.
6:10:44publish.
6:10:45>> Yes, sir.
6:10:47>> This is not a great photograph.
6:10:47[clears throat]
6:10:48Copy the copy.
6:10:53>> But, uh, February 24th of 2020, is that
6:10:55what you were wearing?
6:10:58Is that you?
6:10:59>> Yes.
6:11:00>> And there's some discoloration up here
6:11:03of your palm.
6:11:07You see that?
6:11:08>> I do.
6:11:11>> Is that from you jabbing him with a
6:11:14baseball bat?
6:11:15>> Sustained.
6:11:16>> Do you know how you suffered that
6:11:17injury?
6:11:18>> I believe it's from holding the baseball
6:11:19bat.
6:11:22>> You helped you with it?
6:11:24>> Yes. Trying to get his hand back in.
6:11:42I'm showing you ident defense
6:11:44identification in
6:12:02like five photographs. Can you look at
6:12:03those?
6:12:07See if you recognize them.
6:12:20>> Yes.
6:12:22And are those fair and accurate
6:12:24depictions?
6:12:28>> Yes.
6:12:28>> As a composite of the events that
6:12:30occurred in relation to George Torres
6:12:31and the T your TV.
6:12:33>> Yes.
6:12:38>> Yes.
6:12:43>> All right. Is that are those stills of a
6:12:44videape that you took?
6:12:46>> Yes.
6:12:49And is that videape? Was it on your
6:12:50phone?
6:12:51>> Yes.
6:12:53>> So when it law enforcement sees the
6:12:56phone, they would have had access to
6:12:58this video,
6:13:00>> I believe. So, yes.
6:13:02>> And
6:13:05tell me about it.
6:13:08Um,
6:13:12Lucas liked to watch cartoons and play
6:13:15video games on the big screen, which is
6:13:17this is the big screen. And um, I would
6:13:20have to call Brian to come over
6:13:22sometimes to help me figure out the Fire
6:13:24Stick and whatever platform or whatever
6:13:28whatever it was that Lucas was trying to
6:13:30view his uh, shows and video games on.
6:13:34And I don't remember how um uh George
6:13:38found out that Brian had come over. I
6:13:40believe because it was actually fixed
6:13:41and he knew that I didn't know how to do
6:13:43it. Um
6:13:46found out that Brian had come over to
6:13:48fix it. And
6:13:50>> was he jealous of Brian?
6:13:54>> I don't know if he was jealous of Brian.
6:13:56I think that he had a fear that I
6:14:00somehow would go back to Brian. So I I
6:14:03think
6:14:04by Brian helping me with things for
6:14:07Lucas. Um, he just didn't want him to be
6:14:10interacting with me at all.
6:14:13>> So, Lucas wasn't over here this day, was
6:14:15he?
6:14:16>> No.
6:14:17>> Ryan wasn't over here this day.
6:14:19>> Um, he may have been I can't remember
6:14:22when he actually fixed the television
6:14:24for Lucas. But y'all were drinking his
6:14:31>> I'm I know he was for a fact. Yes.
6:14:33>> Chances are you were
6:14:34>> probably so yes.
6:14:35>> Okay.
6:14:36>> I would agree.
6:14:36>> So how did it end up badly?
6:14:40>> Um he accused me of
6:14:44sucking Brian's dick and told me that he
6:14:47was going to break my face with the bat
6:14:49and that he was going to make me
6:14:51unrecognizable to my son with the bat.
6:14:54and then told me that he's going to
6:14:57destroy my [ __ ] television
6:15:00and then I was going to remove it from
6:15:03the apartment and if I didn't I was
6:15:07going to be again unrecognizable to my
6:15:09son.
6:15:10>> So, did he grab the bat?
6:15:12>> Absolutely. He already had had that in
6:15:13his hand and he told me that I had to
6:15:15videotape it.
6:15:17>> Did you videotape it voluntarily?
6:15:20>> No.
6:15:21>> All right. But there is a video. But I'm
6:15:23gonna go ahead and ask judge if I could
6:15:25introduce this identification of these
6:15:28five photographs in the evidence.
6:15:30>> Okay.
6:15:31Was it O or N?
6:15:35>> I have O being a composite photo.
6:15:40>> We're moving in O. Okay. All right. What
6:15:42was pre-marked as O will be received
6:15:44into evidence without objection as
6:15:46defense 14.
6:16:07These are some stills from video.
6:16:12This was George
6:16:14that particip.
6:16:17>> Yes. telling me that I'm going to take
6:16:19the television out once he destroys it.
6:16:23>> He wanted you to take the television out
6:16:25>> that or I was going to help him. But
6:16:26either way, I was taking apart and
6:16:29removing it.
6:16:36>> Hey, what is this picture of?
6:16:37>> In the process of him destroying my
6:16:39television
6:16:41>> while you're videaping.
6:16:50Is that the result?
6:16:52>> No. After that, he ripped it off of the
6:16:55TV stand.
6:16:59>> Did he later pass out?
6:17:02>> Yep. Like he usually does.
6:17:09>> What's he drinking?
6:17:12>> I I don't know. Vodka is something I'm
6:17:14sure
6:17:34>> I'm showing you identification in. Did
6:17:37you recognize that?
6:17:40>> Let it in. Minister Well,
6:17:43>> were those photo was that a photograph
6:17:46taken by a crime scene?
6:17:49>> Correct.
6:17:50>> Is that a fair and accurate depiction of
6:17:53your
6:17:56>> um living room and stairwell?
6:17:59>> Yes.
6:18:01>> And um going to try to introduce this is
6:18:04identification nine as an exhibit.
6:18:09No,
6:18:10>> it's pre-marked as M. Correct.
6:18:13>> N. I apologize. What was pre-marked as N
6:18:15will be received into evidence without
6:18:17objection as defendants 15.
6:18:33>> Can you tell us a little bit about this
6:18:34room?
6:18:35>> Um, this is my living room. Um, this
6:18:38wall that we have over here with the
6:18:40heart, um, that's where we would display
6:18:43all of our artwork. We were in the
6:18:45process of taking it down to add more,
6:18:48um, so he could continue to be
6:18:50entertained. The bookshelf over here is
6:18:53my son's bookshelf with all of his toys
6:18:55and little guns and musical instruments.
6:18:58He's got a little karaoke machine down
6:19:00here, his guitar, the stand right here
6:19:02with the red bucket on it, that was the
6:19:04television stand. and then my back porch
6:19:07area and then the dog bed here.
6:19:09>> Okay. And then looks like in front of
6:19:12the bookshelf at the foot of the stairs
6:19:15is is that a doggy?
6:19:17>> It's a baby gate, but um my dogs would
6:19:21wander upstairs sometimes and go to the
6:19:24bathroom sometimes when we couldn't get
6:19:26them out. So I would at nighttime
6:19:30um or whenever we weren't home make sure
6:19:32that they didn't go upstairs. And plus,
6:19:33Penny was blind.
6:19:37>> There's an allegation that you pushed
6:19:39George down the stairs
6:19:42>> apparently.
6:19:44>> Or got him in the suitcase upstairs and
6:19:45pushed him down the stair
6:19:47>> supposedly.
6:19:48>> Did that hurt?
6:19:50>> Absolutely not.
6:19:55>> Is that bookshelf disturbed in any way?
6:19:58>> No, nor the plant next to it.
6:20:13I'm showing you composite two
6:20:15photographs identification M. Did you
6:20:18look at those two and see if you
6:20:19recognize them?
6:20:21[clears throat]
6:20:22>> Yes. This is me sitting on the back
6:20:24porch with my dogs and as you can see
6:20:27that we are both drinking.
6:20:29>> All right. Who's taking the picture?
6:20:31I'm guessing George is or maybe it's one
6:20:33that Lucas, you know, Lucas went over
6:20:36here. So, it had to be George.
6:20:38>> How can you tell y'all were drinking?
6:20:40>> Because there's a cup beer and then he
6:20:43has a beer.
6:20:45>> And uh there's two dogs. There's one
6:20:47sitting next to you. Who's that?
6:20:49>> That's Penny. She's the blind dog.
6:20:53I used to have to pick her up, put her
6:20:54somewhere, so she would stay there
6:20:57because she um was unfamiliar with the
6:21:00area, especially since we moved from my
6:21:01marital home to the um town home. So
6:21:04most of the time Penny would be close or
6:21:06next to me.
6:21:08>> Who's next to the fence?
6:21:09>> Um this is little guard dog, Tess. Um
6:21:12she was the death dog. Um and this is
6:21:16the fence here.
6:21:18>> Well, I'll show them.
6:21:19>> Okay. Um, but this is Tess and then this
6:21:22is Penny. Deaf blind. Penny and Tess.
6:21:26>> All right. And then the second one.
6:21:28>> This is Tess on the back porch
6:21:32taking a nap. She was never far from
6:21:33you.
6:21:34>> All right. When George was sober, how
6:21:36did he treat the dog?
6:21:40>> Nice.
6:21:44>> I don't know if he was a a pet person,
6:21:47>> but I mean, he was he was I used to I
6:21:50needed him to feed them. They he would
6:21:51see that.
6:21:53>> Were there times when
6:21:55George was drinking
6:21:59>> where he would threaten to harm the dogs
6:22:02>> all the time?
6:22:04>> Tell the jury.
6:22:07>> One of the worst
6:22:09one of the worst threats was Penny being
6:22:12blind. um he would um
6:22:18actually leave the gate open in the
6:22:20back. He wouldn't threaten me to do it.
6:22:21He would actually do it um on nights
6:22:24that I had to go up to sleep or some I I
6:22:26fled the night before or something. Um
6:22:29and would tell me that he hoped that I
6:22:32would come back and find her bloated
6:22:34body dead in the pond across the way
6:22:37from our town home. And Tess was
6:22:41notorious if I wasn't there to go look
6:22:43for me and would say that uh he would
6:22:46hope that I would have to scrape up her
6:22:48dead body from the the street that was
6:22:52out in front of our uh apartment
6:22:54complex.
6:22:54>> Why was George upset with you? Why would
6:22:56he threaten to harm the dog?
6:22:58>> Anything that he could get to try to
6:23:01have some type of hold over me
6:23:03>> control.
6:23:04>> And he knew I loved my dogs very much,
6:23:07especially that they were handicapped.
6:23:09Were they afraid of it?
6:23:11>> Yes. Uh Penny would hear his voice and
6:23:14instantly go underneath um the dining
6:23:16room table that we had. Um Tess was
6:23:20always fractious and very very quick
6:23:23with his movements, but she was never
6:23:26never far away. They never showed their
6:23:29teeth. They never growled. Tess would
6:23:31occasionally bark, but it was very rare.
6:23:33And he used to kick them and just
6:23:36>> For what reason would he kick them?
6:23:39and he would try to find me because
6:23:41she's
6:23:42she's blind.
6:23:46>> Sustained.
6:23:48>> I'd like to move identification in the
6:23:51evidence.
6:23:51>> Any objection was pre-marked as M will
6:23:54be received into evidence without
6:23:55objection as defense 16.
6:24:02All
6:24:12right. Can you describe this for the
6:24:14jury?
6:24:15>> This is again is our back porch and this
6:24:17is the fence that I made for the dogs to
6:24:19have a little bit extra space. Um, Penny
6:24:22is next to me. She's the blind dog. And
6:24:25then Tess is down here at guarding the
6:24:28gate.
6:24:29>> Are these fake rabbits together?
6:24:31>> Yes.
6:24:32Um, I used to call my son when he was a
6:24:34baby, he was my bunny rabbit.
6:24:38>> Overruled.
6:24:41>> Um,
6:24:43um, he was my bunny rabbit. So, I used
6:24:45to collect bunnies, bunny rabbits, and
6:24:48so I have rabbits here and there
6:24:50throughout my house and, um, in my
6:24:52little garden area.
6:24:54>> And this is the alcohol y'all consuming?
6:24:56>> Yes.
6:24:59And this is a closeup of which one?
6:25:03>> This is Tess. She's the death dog.
6:25:06>> How old were these dogs at that time?
6:25:082020.
6:25:09>> Gosh, maybe
6:25:12nine, maybe 10.
6:25:23>> Yes.
6:25:36All right, members of the jury, again,
6:25:37if you could just raise your hands to
6:25:39confirm that you comply to the court's
6:25:40instructions during the last break.
6:25:43Record reflect all hands have been
6:25:44raised. All right, with that, uh, Mr.
6:25:46Jones, you may continue your inquiry,
6:25:48sir. Just just
6:25:51based on the court statements
6:25:53identification a I'd like to this is one
6:25:56of the photographs that we introduced.
6:25:58Is it is this the is this direct to your
6:26:01ear?
6:26:02>> Yes.
6:26:06[clears throat]
6:26:08>> And then this is your your living room.
6:26:10This is identification to see the
6:26:12blowoff. Yes.
6:26:29Education D
6:26:34TV.
6:26:46A
6:26:50>> that's your arm.
6:26:51>> Yes.
6:27:03Verification F.
6:27:05Is that your knife?
6:27:09Identification
6:27:21G. Is this the curtain rod?
6:27:24>> Yes.
6:27:39Notification H. This is the I
6:27:56dedication.
6:28:00Awesome.
6:28:06See your face shot?
6:28:07>> Yes.
6:28:11>> The eyebrow
6:28:25notification B. And this is the back
6:28:28patio. The doll. Yes.
6:28:46Okay, I'm going bounce a little bit.
6:28:48It's been
6:29:00go [clears throat] back to the night
6:29:03earlier in the evening when I think
6:29:05y'all may have been out on the back
6:29:06patio and uh you had suggested to George
6:29:10to call the children, but then um I
6:29:14think did he call his brother or his
6:29:17brother called George. Do you remember?
6:29:20>> George called his brother.
6:29:24>> Okay.
6:29:28>> Um and you made a statement about
6:29:34telling telling something. Explain that
6:29:37to the to the jury.
6:29:40Um,
6:29:42I told him to tell his brother about you
6:29:46choking me the other day. This is a
6:29:49separate choking incident. Um,
6:29:54we had been drinking and I had
6:29:59I wanted George to tell him, but he
6:30:02didn't tell him, so I said it in the
6:30:04background
6:30:06so he would be aware. What did you tell
6:30:09him?
6:30:12>> Tell him
6:30:14why you choked me
6:30:16or that you choked me.
6:30:18>> Okay.
6:30:20>> Now,
6:30:27you heard the testimony of the two
6:30:29neighbors, the boys that live next to
6:30:30you.
6:30:31>> Yes.
6:30:33And [clears throat] uh
6:30:36you heard that they were they were
6:30:38actually questioned. I think the um
6:30:42the audio they were audio interviewed.
6:30:44You heard from Detective Copsel. I think
6:30:47it was two or three couple of days later
6:30:49on the 25th of February or 27th of
6:30:51February.
6:30:52>> Yes.
6:30:53>> And uh you heard their [snorts]
6:30:55testimony earlier this week.
6:30:57>> Yes.
6:31:00>> Where they hear a
6:31:02kind of a thumping sound starting at the
6:31:04top of the steps, ending at ending at
6:31:06the bottom.
6:31:06>> Yes.
6:31:08>> Have they got the night roll?
6:31:10>> Yes.
6:31:12>> Explain to the jury that
6:31:14>> So, it was the night before. Um,
6:31:17again, I was sleeping and in the middle
6:31:19of the night with the door barricaded,
6:31:21he came in and ripped me out of the bed.
6:31:25um and
6:31:28first got me with one hand and then both
6:31:31got both hands and pulled me completely
6:31:33off of the bed and then like a caveman
6:31:36had my hair like this and was going down
6:31:39the stairwell taking me with him uh to
6:31:43come downstairs so um I could sit and
6:31:46drink with him.
6:31:47>> Do you believe that's the noise that the
6:31:51uh the two neighbor boys heard? I
6:31:54absolutely do.
6:31:55>> And it was just the night before,
6:31:57>> correct?
6:32:10>> Now, some of the time when this abuse
6:32:13occurred,
6:32:16you called the police.
6:32:18>> Yes.
6:32:19>> And other times the police were not
6:32:20called.
6:32:21>> Correct.
6:32:26I want to refer to you the first time I
6:32:28believe you mentioned the 911 call. I
6:32:32believe that was July 25th of 2018.
6:32:35>> Yes.
6:32:36>> And uh
6:32:39that was the incident in which
6:32:43Georgia kicked you
6:32:46in the eye,
6:32:48>> stomped me,
6:32:49>> stomped you in the eye. And you had
6:32:52grabbed his neck?
6:32:54>> Yes, I was able to uh get my arms out
6:32:58from him pinning me down with his knees
6:33:00and grab his neck.
6:33:02>> So, law enforcement came
6:33:07and um investigated.
6:33:11>> Yes.
6:33:12>> And both of you were arrested,
6:33:14>> correct?
6:33:20You recall asking the officer when you
6:33:23were arrested,
6:33:27>> why am I being arrested?
6:33:30>> Many times, yes.
6:33:31>> Do you do you recall
6:33:33asking the officer, "Why am I being
6:33:35arrested?"
6:33:36>> Yes.
6:33:41And
6:33:44do you recall making any other
6:33:45statements to law enforcement as to why
6:33:48you did what you did to George?
6:33:51>> That was the first time ever that I
6:33:52actually officially fought back.
6:33:56>> Did you tell the officer that you were
6:33:59fighting back?
6:34:00>> Yes, because I was complete shock that I
6:34:02was getting arrested because of it.
6:34:28Now on the um
6:34:32the two-minute video, the suitcase
6:34:35video,
6:34:39You mentioned to him,
6:34:42I think you said something,
6:34:45I can't breathe. He said, I can't
6:34:46breathe. And you said, that's how I feel
6:34:48when you're choking me.
6:34:50Were you referring to an isolated
6:34:52incident of the the night before, two
6:34:54nights before or whenever or were you
6:34:56referring to in general?
6:35:00>> In general, the more than two or three,
6:35:03four times that he had done it. Okay.
6:35:07>> And then uh the point about cheating, he
6:35:09didn't physically cheat on him.
6:35:11>> No, he did not.
6:35:12>> Okay. And just I I don't want to go into
6:35:14a lot of detail, but what what are you
6:35:15referring to there?
6:35:17>> Um George was, I believe, addicted to
6:35:21pornography, and a lot of that would be
6:35:23found on my phone from him supposedly
6:35:26wanting to call up [clears throat] job
6:35:27interviews.
6:35:29And um as a solution, I sat him down and
6:35:32I explained to him to me that you
6:35:35visualizing yourself with someone else
6:35:38um or at least having a pleasurable
6:35:41moment with someone else or watching
6:35:44other people. And to me, I told him that
6:35:46I considered that cheating on me.
6:35:49>> And so he would download that on your
6:35:51phone.
6:35:53>> Yes.
6:36:04Why did you stay with me?
6:36:09>> As
6:36:09>> you got to tell the jury.
6:36:14As anyone who has ever been in love or
6:36:20when you love someone or
6:36:23primarily someone or something,
6:36:26you go above and beyond and you tolerate
6:36:29and you endure and you persevere and
6:36:34you try to make that person person as
6:36:36spectacular as you possibly can, no
6:36:38matter the sacrifice that you may have
6:36:40to go through.
6:36:42um
6:36:44to
6:36:46serve someone else um in a positive
6:36:49light so they can be better people for
6:36:53um themselves and to just make them a
6:36:57happier person. And love, love is very
6:37:00strong and love is very deep. And love,
6:37:03I believe, is not fully understood in a
6:37:05lot of ways for how different people
6:37:08react to it. And I very much deeply
6:37:13and passionately love George. I love him
6:37:16to this day.
6:37:17>> Did you not want to be alone?
6:37:23um at beginning um through my divorce um
6:37:27it was very nice to have him around and
6:37:30he was in he was a man man to me and um
6:37:34I felt protected and
6:37:37he's very nice and
6:37:41as lame as it sounds he used to
6:37:42compliment me and it makes it
6:37:45>> Sarah isn't wrong in her statement here
6:37:47and we've repeatedly discussed how and
6:37:49why abused partners stay in abusive
6:37:51relationships while it's easy to say
6:37:53that they should have just left, that
6:37:54they need to take personal
6:37:55responsibility, and the plethora of
6:37:57other comments we get on videos
6:37:59discussing this topic. It's exceedingly
6:38:01hard to do so. By the time the abuse
6:38:03turns physical, the abused party is
6:38:05often made to feel as if it's their
6:38:06fault, that they were only hurt because
6:38:08of their own actions, and that leaving
6:38:10would mean being alone forever. Abusers
6:38:12tend to shower their victim with care
6:38:14and affection afterwards in a bid to
6:38:16reestablish the relationship and ensure
6:38:18that they aren't left. Even if the
6:38:19abused party can wrap their head around
6:38:21leaving, doing so is incredibly
6:38:23dangerous, usually even more dangerous
6:38:25than staying. Studies have shown that
6:38:27the first two years after leaving an
6:38:28abuser are the most lethal, with many
6:38:31abusers escalating their aggression
6:38:32because their victim is no longer seen
6:38:34as their possession. One of the other
6:38:36reasons we refrained from commenting in
6:38:38the past portion of the footage is
6:38:40because Sarah and her team deserve to
6:38:41make these points. It bolsters their
6:38:43argument, but it's also factual that she
6:38:45was abused. While she is responsible for
6:38:47George's death and deserves to be in
6:38:49prison for that, she was also brutalized
6:38:51by him. And that doesn't become untrue
6:38:53simply because she behaved erratically
6:38:55for the past four years.
6:39:01During that period of time when uh you
6:39:04first started seeing George, would it be
6:39:05fair to say that you had low
6:39:08self-esteem?
6:39:10>> Yes.
6:39:20Now, we talked about this previous
6:39:21arrest where you told the officer you
6:39:24were fighting back and you got arrested
6:39:33and I want to talk about your
6:39:34conversations with law enforcement. But
6:39:37first, I want to ask you, why did you go
6:39:38to the police station that day when you
6:39:40were interrogated there and we saw the
6:39:412-hour video? tell the jury.
6:39:45>> Um the day of the incident, um the
6:39:49detective copel gave me her business
6:39:52card with her personal cell phone number
6:39:54on it and said if I happen to remember
6:39:56anything or anything that I would like
6:39:59to add to the day for me to um not
6:40:02hesitate to give her a call. So
6:40:05throughout the rest of the evening, I
6:40:08just something was off. I I didn't feel
6:40:11comfortable with what she told me and
6:40:14how she told it to me.
6:40:16>> So, this is Sarah's defense team trying
6:40:18to establish that she was coerced into
6:40:20speaking with the police the day after
6:40:21George's death. As a reminder, she was
6:40:24asked to come in to retrieve her phone
6:40:26and then was questioned further because
6:40:27of the videos that they found. She was
6:40:29lied to initially, but clearly consented
6:40:31to being interviewed. Her council
6:40:33attempted to get the interview thrown
6:40:34out, as we covered in our last video on
6:40:36this case, linked below.
6:40:39How long were you at the scene?
6:40:41>> Gosh, all day from the moment that they
6:40:44were there to the moment that the
6:40:46coroner's man um drove off.
6:40:48>> All right. When when it ended, did you
6:40:50stay in your home?
6:40:52>> No, I raced inside and collected some
6:40:56pajamas and a toothbrush and I um went
6:41:00over to where my son was at my
6:41:02ex-husband's house.
6:41:03>> Did you break the dogs?
6:41:05>> I didn't even feed them. It was so fast.
6:41:09All right. And then once you got over to
6:41:11your uh ex-husbands, what happened as it
6:41:15relates to detective cops?
6:41:20>> Something just wasn't sitting right with
6:41:21me and I
6:41:25I had a suspicion that she just wasn't
6:41:26being honest with me. So, I took it upon
6:41:28myself.
6:41:31>> Sustained.
6:41:32>> So, you called her. Tell tell us about
6:41:34that.
6:41:36Um, I called her and I told her that I
6:41:40felt that she was being dishonest with
6:41:42me. Um, she originally had told me that
6:41:44due to her being pregnant, it would just
6:41:46be a lot easier for her to have me come
6:41:49down to the station um to pick up my
6:41:52phone. The original plan was for she and
6:41:55uh, Detective Loan to return the phone
6:41:58to my apartment. Um, but she said that
6:42:01um it would be a lot easier for me to
6:42:03just come down and pick it up because I
6:42:05remember when I was pregnant. That's
6:42:06what she said. You remember when you
6:42:08were pregnant? So, um, I said, "I feel
6:42:10that you're tricking me and I feel that
6:42:11you're being very sneaky about something
6:42:13and I don't believe that you're being
6:42:14honest with me." And I said,
6:42:16"Regardless, I'm still going to come."
6:42:19>> Sustained.
6:42:21>> So, you agreed to come, but you
6:42:23understood it was to get your phone.
6:42:25>> Correct.
6:42:25>> All right. You came that afternoon to
6:42:27the station?
6:42:28>> I did. And the original agreement was
6:42:30there were to come to you.
6:42:31>> Correct.
6:42:31>> When you got to the station, what
6:42:33happened?
6:42:34>> Um, I thought I was just going to be
6:42:37picking up my phone. I
6:42:40had I mean, my car was there. I had
6:42:41everything in my car. It was just a
6:42:42regular I'm just going to go in, maybe
6:42:44sign something, and pick up my phone.
6:42:46And there's people that are um over here
6:42:49at the windows. And I thought that I was
6:42:51supposed to go over there to get my
6:42:53phone. and Detective Lohan came down and
6:42:57um
6:42:59said that my phone was upstairs. So, if
6:43:01I would just follow him upstairs, that's
6:43:03where my phone was. And then I was taken
6:43:08into a I guess it was an interrogation
6:43:10room and they told me to sit down and um
6:43:14then I guess the interview or
6:43:17interrogation began and I just simply
6:43:19stopped getting my phone.
6:43:22Sarah did not think she was just getting
6:43:24her phone. Again, she came armed with
6:43:26her own list of questions and concerns
6:43:28with the hopes that the police would
6:43:29comfort her and tell her she did nothing
6:43:31wrong. She was told prior to the
6:43:32interrogation that they needed her to
6:43:34answer more questions and she signed a
6:43:36document stating that she consented to
6:43:38speaking with them. It should go without
6:43:40saying that if you were brought into a
6:43:41room with the police officer and they
6:43:43began to memorandize you that they are
6:43:45not simply doing that to give you your
6:43:46phone back.
6:43:49Sarah,
6:43:51tell the jury why.
6:43:53>> Yes.
6:44:10You may proceed.
6:44:13M.
6:44:16Miss. Vinn.
6:44:18Tell the jury why you lied to the
6:44:20police.
6:44:23>> I lied to the police.
6:44:28Basically, everyone, because I was
6:44:32extremely fearful of being arrested. I
6:44:37made
6:44:39the first attempt of me calling 911 by
6:44:42telling them what happened. and I
6:44:45thought that they were going to help me,
6:44:46but instead I was arrested for calling
6:44:48911.
6:44:52>> So, you made a decision to lie.
6:44:55>> I did.
6:44:55>> Did you stay with that lie?
6:44:57>> I did.
6:44:59>> Are you telling the truth today?
6:45:00>> I am.
6:45:04Now, let me take you back to the um
6:45:13to this incident.
6:45:23Is it fair to say
6:45:27that when George Torres is sober
6:45:33He commits no violence against you?
6:45:35>> No.
6:45:36>> Is that fair to say?
6:45:37>> Yes.
6:45:39>> Is it fair to say that every time that
6:45:41he's intoxicated or every time that
6:45:44you're hit by him or harmed by him, it's
6:45:47when he's intoxicated?
6:45:49>> Yes.
6:45:53As a result, when he's drinking,
6:45:58does it change your outlook?
6:46:02>> Yes.
6:46:03>> Could you explain that to the jury?
6:46:09>> I'm always fearful.
6:46:12Um, paranoia.
6:46:15>> Why? Why?
6:46:18because I try to protect and defend
6:46:20myself or fear something happens at the
6:46:22last ultimate second.
6:46:24>> But you're always that way, fearful. Is
6:46:26it because of these prior incidences?
6:46:30>> Absolutely.
6:46:35>> Do you try to plate it
6:46:38>> all the time?
6:46:39>> What do you What do you mean?
6:46:42>> I with the puzzles and the painting and
6:46:47feeding the ducks across the way at the
6:46:48pond. Uh listening to music, trying to
6:46:51go for a walk on the trail, anything
6:46:55that I possibly can. I told you I was
6:46:56running out of things to entertain him
6:46:59with.
6:46:59>> Why? Why do you think, George, what what
6:47:01what bothers him?
6:47:04Speculation
6:47:04>> sustained.
6:47:05>> Does he does he tell you what?
6:47:09>> Sustained.
6:47:16as a result of how he he behaves towards
6:47:19you in that intoxicated state.
6:47:22How were you feeling the night of this
6:47:24event?
6:47:26>> Answer overall.
6:47:32>> Extremely nervous. Um
6:47:36anxiety galore. Just I can never relax.
6:47:43when he's drinking.
6:47:45>> Yes.
6:47:47>> And
6:47:49the state of intoxication that he was at
6:47:51at the time of this event.
6:47:56Is that the state
6:47:59that scares you the most?
6:48:01[clears throat]
6:48:01>> It's the tone. Yes. There's a lot of
6:48:04alarms and red flags that go on
6:48:06throughout the day or night or whenever
6:48:08it is that we are drinking.
6:48:10not responsible.
6:48:14>> Tell us about
6:48:16tell us about that. How that heightens
6:48:20does that heighten your sense of
6:48:24safety
6:48:25>> at all times.
6:48:28>> But especially when he's drinking.
6:48:30>> Oh yes, all the time.
6:48:31>> And then his mood.
6:48:33>> Yes. It depends on what mood he's in
6:48:35that day.
6:48:39Well, do you have you have like a six
6:48:40sense of how he's doing?
6:48:44>> Yes, I knew George very well. Um,
6:48:49>> unresponsive. Yes or no?
6:48:51>> Sustained.
6:48:53>> Can you tell us what you mean by that
6:48:55six sense or knew knew him very well?
6:49:01>> I guess you can say that I was trained
6:49:03by fear with him. just
6:49:06it's it wasn't fun anymore when we would
6:49:08drink and we would uh hang out on the
6:49:11back porch. It wasn't fun anymore
6:49:12because I knew inevitably that
6:49:16something was going to happen to me one
6:49:17way or another.
6:49:52the spoon.
6:49:55You know, those those bruises that we
6:49:57saw of him, they look pretty deep.
6:50:04>> Tell the jury what you were thinking
6:50:08>> from the bat you're
6:50:09>> Yes.
6:50:12>> I didn't want to die that night. I
6:50:18I can't describe it to you.
6:50:21It's
6:50:23terrifying love to a certain degree
6:50:25where
6:50:29my plan was to show him the next day and
6:50:31just I
6:50:34wanted him to be better and treat me
6:50:36nicer. And
6:50:39be the person that he was when I
6:50:41originally met him. And I knew that was
6:50:42in him still. I knew that it could be
6:50:44found. and I just couldn't figure out
6:50:46what it was that I was doing wrong in
6:50:47order for it to not be back to where
6:50:50that was. And
6:50:52I was tired of living in fear and
6:50:56just sick all the time of
6:50:59figuring out how I can entertain him so
6:51:01I don't die and uh continue a
6:51:05relationship with my son and try to live
6:51:07a normal life. That wasn't a normal life
6:51:09for me. And just I I bottom line is I
6:51:12didn't want to die.
6:51:14I would have I would have died or I
6:51:16would have been disfigured or maimed or
6:51:18if if it weren't me with the bat, it
6:51:20would have been him if he were to have
6:51:22gone out.
6:51:33>> So, that was Sarah's direct examination.
6:51:35Now, let's go over how she did. Sarah
6:51:37and her legal team were able to deafly
6:51:39prove that Sarah had been abused by
6:51:41George with direct, unflinching
6:51:43evidence. She was able to explain how
6:51:45she felt in that relationship, why she
6:51:47stayed with him, and how she navigated
6:51:48the abuse. However, there are key
6:51:50factors to this case that were not then
6:51:52justified. Her assertion that George's
6:51:55voice and behavior changed for the 11
6:51:57minutes between the two videos is
6:51:59extremely hard to believe, especially
6:52:01given how his tone does not change in
6:52:03the videos themselves. The jury is meant
6:52:05to take her statement at face value, but
6:52:07by this point in the trial, the
6:52:09prosecution has showcased how Sarah
6:52:11would lie when it suited her, and that
6:52:12is very hard to move away from. The fact
6:52:14that the jury is meant to take her word
6:52:16for it that George threatened her while
6:52:18in the suitcase, despite all the direct
6:52:20evidence showing the contrary, is a
6:52:22hurdle that I don't think they quite
6:52:23made it over. But let us know what you
6:52:25think in the comments down below.
6:52:27Welcome back to another episode of
6:52:28Dreading. Or if this is your first time
6:52:30here, welcome. Today we are going to be
6:52:32ending our coverage of Sarah Boone by
6:52:34reviewing her cross-examination. Last
6:52:36week we uploaded a video reviewing her
6:52:38direct, which was a mixed bag. The
6:52:40latter half of her time on the stand was
6:52:42impactful with the defense going over
6:52:43all the documented instances of violence
6:52:45in her relationship with George and how
6:52:47she had been sent to the hospital
6:52:49multiple times by him. This was done in
6:52:51order to make the jury and the public
6:52:52empathize a bit more with who Sarah is
6:52:55and her version of events. The narrative
6:52:56that Sarah had been trying to put
6:52:58forward since her arrest was that what
6:53:00happened that night was an accident and
6:53:01that she only recorded the videos of
6:53:03George in the suitcase because she was
6:53:05dealing with intense trauma. That while
6:53:06she hadn't intended for him to die, she
6:53:08was also acting strictly in self-defense
6:53:10and should be found not guilty. But
6:53:12while the evidence of him hurting her
6:53:14throughout the relationship was
6:53:15impactful, that didn't minimize what she
6:53:17had done to him. The defense didn't show
6:53:19the video of her mocking George as he
6:53:21begged for his life. But Sarah attempted
6:53:23to recontextualize the footage on the
6:53:25stand, saying that once he was trapped
6:53:26in the bag, she felt safe enough to tell
6:53:28him how she was dissatisfied with the
6:53:30relationship. She was angry, but
6:53:32recorded the video in order to play it
6:53:34for him the following day, so he could
6:53:36see the error of his ways. But that does
6:53:38not align with what we saw. Sarah wasn't
6:53:40sitting down calmly trying to tell her
6:53:42partner how his actions have hurt her
6:53:44throughout the relationship. She wasn't
6:53:45making light of the situation and
6:53:47telling him that she wanted him to
6:53:48change. She was mocking him, telling him
6:53:51that he'd better stop talking since he
6:53:52was running out of air, and laughing
6:53:54when he begged to be let out. She said
6:53:56that it was revenge for all the times he
6:53:57had hurt her. And when he allegedly
6:53:59tried to get out, she hit the bag with a
6:54:01bat. The defense had no choice but to
6:54:03put Sarah on the stand, as the baseline
6:54:05facts of the case do not lend themselves
6:54:07to her defense. There was no version of
6:54:09events where Sarah didn't take the stand
6:54:11and insist that George's death was not
6:54:13her fault. But we cannot properly
6:54:14emphasize how bad of a decision it was.
6:54:16We have stated in no uncertain terms
6:54:18countless times that taking the stand in
6:54:21your own defense is the worst thing you
6:54:22can possibly do. Regardless of if you
6:54:24are innocent of any wrongdoing and
6:54:26sincerely think that your input would
6:54:28help the jury understand your point of
6:54:30view. It's possibly the worst thing you
6:54:31can do if you were to go to trial. You
6:54:33have to come across as likable and
6:54:35sincere while also answering questions
6:54:37from a lawyer who has likely spent the
6:54:39past couple months, if not year, going
6:54:41over how to lead the jury into thinking
6:54:43the worst thing they can about you. They
6:54:45will have studied your defense, gone
6:54:46over everything they can know about you,
6:54:48and you would have to try and defend
6:54:49yourself, all the while not coming
6:54:51across too hostile, lest the men and
6:54:53women of the jury find you abrasive. And
6:54:55in this case, Sarah's legal team only
6:54:57had a few weeks to prepare. While
6:54:59portions of the testimony were decent,
6:55:01we went over the numerous times where
6:55:02Sarah could not help but disparage her
6:55:04ex-husband and George in ways that felt
6:55:07spiteful and dehumanizing, which was
6:55:09obviously antithetical to their goals.
6:55:11But now we are going to watch the
6:55:12prosecution's redirect, which they've
6:55:14been preparing for for years. Every time
6:55:16Sarah was given a new lawyer and the
6:55:18court date was pushed back, that gave
6:55:20the prosecuting attorneys more time to
6:55:22put their case together and create the
6:55:23following line of questioning. Sarah's
6:55:25antics helped the prosecution without
6:55:27her realizing it. We'll leave a link to
6:55:29our coverage of the first portion of the
6:55:31footage in the description box down
6:55:32below if you missed it. Again, we plan
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6:56:13said, let us begin.
6:56:15>> Hey, cross-examination.
6:56:26George know somebody named Crystal?
6:56:31Did you ever mention Crystal in your
6:56:33text messages about being one of his
6:56:36[ __ ]
6:56:38>> I don't know. I don't remember.
6:56:42>> How about Christine? Did George know a
6:56:44Christine?
6:56:45>> I don't know.
6:56:47>> How about a Pamela Ericson?
6:56:50>> These may have been people that he was
6:56:52communicating with on whatever the
6:56:56platform was
6:56:57>> on your phone,
6:56:58>> I believe. So, yes. And did you find
6:57:00these communications?
6:57:01>> I believe I found one or two of them
6:57:03from some of them.
6:57:04>> And did you send a long letter to his
6:57:07family uh to relay to him about George
6:57:10and his girls that he was cheating on
6:57:13you with?
6:57:14>> I believe so.
6:57:15>> Okay. So, you know you do know those
6:57:17names, right?
6:57:18>> I don't remember them. It's been however
6:57:20long.
6:57:21>> Okay.
6:57:22So, one of the main issues that Sarah
6:57:24has displayed through her pre-trial
6:57:26antics and letters is that she doesn't
6:57:28like to feel like she isn't in control.
6:57:30It's the reason why she was going to
6:57:31have to represent herself and why the
6:57:33legal team she has now, who was helping
6:57:35her pro bono, has made a significant
6:57:37amount of strange decisions throughout
6:57:39the trial. If Sarah has an opinion on a
6:57:41subject, she will demand that it be done
6:57:43her way. Her comment sections have
6:57:44labeled her a Karen for that very
6:57:46reason, as she cannot handle being told
6:57:48no, even if the other party explains why
6:57:50doing things her way would not work.
6:57:52This is a mild example of that. If you
6:57:54were on trial the way that Sarah is, and
6:57:56you were apprised of all the case
6:57:57details, which Sarah was, you would be
6:58:00aware of the names he just listed out.
6:58:02Moreover, you would assume that these
6:58:03names have something to do with the
6:58:05case. So, feigning ignorance would be
6:58:07useless. But Sarah has characterized the
6:58:09prosecution in this case as being the
6:58:11main antagonist to her life. In her
6:58:12letters, she has directly accused the
6:58:14man questioning her as being part of a
6:58:16conspiracy to wrongfully imprison her,
6:58:18strip her of her rights, and profit from
6:58:20her case. She has stated that he is evil
6:58:22and should be disbarred for his crimes.
6:58:24So Sarah, like Robert Telis and Tony
6:58:27Todd before her, is not going to help
6:58:28him in this questioning. She doesn't
6:58:30want to make things easy for the man
6:58:32that she thinks is single-handedly
6:58:34trying to ruin her life, and she
6:58:35certainly isn't going to agree to
6:58:37things, even if it would make her look
6:58:38better. Now, on February 24th, 2020,
6:58:44you called 911 at about 100 p.m.
6:58:46Correct.
6:58:47>> Yes.
6:58:48>> And at that point, you were still
6:58:50feeling a little intoxicated, were you
6:58:52not?
6:58:54>> It was more shock. Yes.
6:58:56>> Pausing once again, here is where
6:58:57Sarah's time on the stand during the
6:58:59pre-trial motions hearing has come back
6:59:01to bite her. A link will be left to our
6:59:03coverage of that in case you missed the
6:59:04upload. But for those who were unaware,
6:59:06during a routine suppression hearing,
6:59:08Sarah was called to the stand in order
6:59:10to testify. This was and is still
6:59:12incredibly unusual. But it seemed that
6:59:14Sarah was of the belief that she could
6:59:16sway the judge to agree with their
6:59:17arguments if she had the chance to speak
6:59:19freely. This didn't work, and she
6:59:21managed to change her story while on the
6:59:23stand, stating that she was still
6:59:25inebriated when the police arrived on
6:59:27February 24th. Though she already
6:59:29appeared impaired on the body cam
6:59:30footage, she had maintained up until
6:59:32that point that she was sober the next
6:59:34morning, which was a completely
6:59:35unnecessary lie. The prosecution can
6:59:38easily argue now that her narrative
6:59:40cannot be trusted by the jury, given the
6:59:42fact that immediately after finding her
6:59:43boyfriend's dead body, she lied about
6:59:45unnecessary details in order to hide her
6:59:47involvement. She deliberately hindered
6:59:49their case, which they could argue she
6:59:51wouldn't have done if she were innocent.
6:59:53A defendant's testimony can only be
6:59:55impactful if the jury believes that it's
6:59:57honest. If you go on the stand and give
6:59:59a different story than you gave to the
7:00:01police or repeatedly change your story
7:00:03and get caught in multiple lies, most
7:00:05jury members are going to walk away
7:00:07thinking that you were a liar. If you
7:00:08are proven to have lied a significant
7:00:10amount of times, all in ways that
7:00:12benefit you, what's to stop you from
7:00:14lying on the stand when your own freedom
7:00:16is at stake? Sarah taking the stand
7:00:18during the pre-trial hearing was a
7:00:19monumentally horrible idea, but it's
7:00:21unlikely she views it that way. So,
7:00:23let's see if that will sink in.
7:00:26So, you agree that you previously stated
7:00:29I was still, I believe, intoxicated to a
7:00:31degree.
7:00:33>> To a degree, yes. Okay.
7:00:36>> So, 1:00 p.m. That's
7:00:38it's about 14 hours after 11 p.m. the
7:00:41night before. Correct.
7:00:43>> I'm guessing so.
7:00:45>> Well, 12 hours prior would be 1:00 a.m.
7:00:47And then 12:00 a.m. is 13 hours. 11:00
7:00:50p.m. is 14 hours. Correct.
7:00:53>> Okay.
7:00:54And you were present here for the
7:00:56medical examiner, Dr. Zadovich, to
7:00:58testify, correct?
7:01:00>> Yes.
7:01:00>> And you heard her talk about all the
7:01:02effects of ethanol that has on a human
7:01:05body. Correct.
7:01:06>> Yes.
7:01:07>> And she also mentioned something that it
7:01:09on average dissipates at about 0.015 an
7:01:13hour. Do you recall that?
7:01:15>> I believe so.
7:01:16>> Okay.
7:01:17So,
7:01:29would it be fair to say that if you're
7:01:32still still feeling the effects of the
7:01:33alcohol at 1 p.m., so that's 14 hours
7:01:37at 0.015,
7:01:39you were at approximately about a 21 at
7:01:4211:00 p.m. the night before. Do you feel
7:01:45like you were two and a half times the
7:01:47legal limit at that time?
7:01:49>> I don't know how you came to that
7:01:51number.
7:01:51>> Judge, I'm reject
7:02:15Pausing for another moment, whenever
7:02:16Sarah is given these few moments on the
7:02:18stand where her lawyer is arguing on her
7:02:20behalf, you can almost get a sense of
7:02:22how she feels this case is going for
7:02:24her. She continues to bite back smiles
7:02:26and smirks because to do so blatantly
7:02:28would be inappropriate when you are
7:02:30accused of murdering another party, but
7:02:32it seems obvious that she feels like
7:02:33things are going very well for her,
7:02:35which they are not. Nothing is more
7:02:36clear than that fact. But this still
7:02:38hasn't occurred to her. Or if it has,
7:02:40she thinks that it's so ridiculous she
7:02:42simply doesn't need to pay it any mind.
7:02:44The evidence against Sarah is damning
7:02:46because of her own actions. She took the
7:02:48video mocking George. She left him in
7:02:50the bag. And even if she didn't intend
7:02:51for him to die, her actions in the video
7:02:53make it clear that she didn't care if
7:02:55that was the outcome. Even if everything
7:02:57else she has said has been truthful, the
7:02:59amount of goodwill and bias that the men
7:03:01and women of the jury would need to have
7:03:03towards Sarah would be immense for them
7:03:05to overlook that. So any sort of
7:03:06confidence in this endeavor is
7:03:08incredibly ill-placed.
7:03:13>> You may proceed.
7:03:17>> So you testified earlier that you all
7:03:19had about half of one of these bottles
7:03:22left from the night before. Correct.
7:03:24>> Yes.
7:03:54And so would you agree that this is one
7:03:57of the three bottles that was purchased
7:03:59between February 22nd and the two that
7:04:01were purchased on February 23rd of 2020.
7:04:04>> I'm guessing it's like the bottle.
7:04:07>> All right. And it's 1.5 L. Would you
7:04:10agree?
7:04:31And when you say half, are we talking
7:04:33about the top of the label was left from
7:04:35the day before?
7:04:36>> Oh, goodness. Now,
7:04:37>> all right. A little less. Halfway
7:04:38through the label to right about
7:04:43halfway through the label.
7:04:45>> Pausing for a moment because I want to
7:04:46quickly assess how much trust you would
7:04:49put into what Sarah just said. Knowing
7:04:51everything we've already established
7:04:52about the case, going over everything
7:04:54she has said and done, do you believe
7:04:55her when she says there was only that
7:04:57much wine left in the bottle from the
7:04:59day before, this is a person who, when
7:05:01asked by the police, said she only had a
7:05:03couple of glasses of wine and didn't
7:05:05inform them that they had finished
7:05:06multiple Magnum bottles. This is a
7:05:08person who claimed that they didn't
7:05:10drink to excess the night when George
7:05:11died, then later claimed that she had
7:05:13blacked out, but only right before she
7:05:15took the video of him in the suitcase
7:05:17and came out of a blackout only 12
7:05:19minutes later. Knowing all of that, do
7:05:21you find her statement credible? Let me
7:05:23know in the comments down below because
7:05:24I think that would genuinely be
7:05:26interesting to assess. I hope not to
7:05:28color the results too much, but I
7:05:30personally don't think she's being
7:05:31honest. Though earlier in her testimony,
7:05:33she admitted to having a drinking
7:05:35problem for the past 4 years, she has
7:05:37heavily downplayed the role of alcohol
7:05:39in her life. She has lied about how
7:05:41often she drinks, how much she drinks,
7:05:43and will give herself the benefit of the
7:05:44doubt time after time. She already
7:05:46downplayed the amount of alcohol that
7:05:48she drank. And with the prosecution
7:05:50bringing the bottle, a visual symbol of
7:05:52just how loaded she was the night of the
7:05:54murder, it wouldn't be out of the
7:05:55question for her to lie about this
7:05:57detail in order to get the jury on her
7:05:59side.
7:06:02So in addition to half through the
7:06:04label,
7:06:07which you began consuming after going to
7:06:09public at about 12:15, correct?
7:06:14>> You all would have been began consuming
7:06:16around 12:30. Is it fair to say when you
7:06:18got back?
7:06:22>> I can't call exactly.
7:06:24>> Okay.
7:06:26And after finishing what you all had
7:06:29left over from Saturday, the two of you
7:06:34consumed
7:06:35two 1.5 L bottles. Correct.
7:06:38>> I'm not sure about the second bottle
7:06:40that he purchased if it was empty or not
7:06:42at the time. Well, you did mention that
7:06:44the police would find two empty bottles
7:06:46in the top of your trash. Correct.
7:06:48>> Yes.
7:06:49>> And we did all see that in the
7:06:50photographs. Correct.
7:06:52>> See in the garbage? Yes.
7:06:55>> All right. And you say you were about
7:06:56100 pounds at the time.
7:06:58>> Yes.
7:06:59>> And we all know Mr. Torres was 103 lbs
7:07:02at the time of his death. Correct.
7:07:05>> All right. So that's three lers of wine
7:07:08between
7:07:10200 lb split between two people over the
7:07:12course of a day. Correct?
7:07:16>> Yes.
7:07:17>> And you testified uh today that you were
7:07:20intoxicated uh at the time that this
7:07:22occurred uh the videos between 11 and
7:07:2611:30 at night. Correct.
7:07:28>> Yes. At some level. Yes.
7:07:29>> All right. Now, what does that mean to
7:07:31you? Previously, have you indicated that
7:07:33that means the room is spinning? Do do
7:07:35you ever recall saying that?
7:07:37>> I do.
7:07:38>> So, what was your level of intoxication
7:07:40at this point in time when the first
7:07:42video was filmed at 11:12 p.m.?
7:07:45>> Do you mean from lack of sleep or
7:07:48alcohol?
7:07:49>> From the alcohol.
7:07:51>> What was my level?
7:07:53>> What were you feeling? Did you have
7:07:55trouble with your balance?
7:07:58>> I was more tired than anything.
7:08:00>> Did you have trouble with your balance?
7:08:03I don't believe so.
7:08:05>> So, you were able to flip a suitcase
7:08:07over with a 100 lb man in it, right?
7:08:11>> I mean, yes, it happened.
7:08:12>> Okay. How about your speech? Do you feel
7:08:14like your speech was slurred?
7:08:16>> Clearly.
7:08:18>> How about your inhibitions? Do you feel
7:08:19like you were doing things that you
7:08:21wouldn't do when you were sober?
7:08:23>> I wasn't thinking about that.
7:08:25>> Well, on reflection, do you feel like
7:08:28this is something you would have done
7:08:29when you were sober?
7:08:34I didn't know me and George.
7:08:38>> I'm just asking you looking back on this
7:08:42when he's in the suitcase and you're
7:08:44telling him how you feel and then you
7:08:47wait 11 minutes and you film another 22
7:08:49seconds and then you go upstairs. Upon
7:08:52reflection, is that something you would
7:08:53have done and left him in there had you
7:08:55not been drinking?
7:08:58>> I don't know. I can't say.
7:09:00>> Okay. If I was scared, then it would be
7:09:02something.
7:09:04>> This is a terrible answer. Really, just
7:09:06a fundamentally bad answer. But there's
7:09:08a reason behind its poor quality. So,
7:09:10let's review. Sarah's defense is that
7:09:12due to the abuse in the relationship,
7:09:14she restrained George in the suitcase
7:09:15for her own protection, and he perished
7:09:17as a result of that, that his hand
7:09:19poking out of the bag and him demanding
7:09:21to come out put her in fear for her
7:09:23life. She also maintains that she never
7:09:25intended for him to die and it was only
7:09:27because she was inebriated and passed
7:09:29out that she left him in the suitcase
7:09:31all night. If her defense was solely
7:09:33that she never intended for him to die
7:09:34and his death was an accident due to
7:09:36inebriation, she could easily answer
7:09:38that of course she would never have left
7:09:40him in the suitcase overnight had she
7:09:42been sober because she would have had
7:09:43the sense that he would die, that she
7:09:45would have never hurt him or killed him
7:09:47because she loved him. But she can't say
7:09:49that because half of her reasoning
7:09:51states that if he had put her in fear
7:09:52for her life whilst in the bag, she
7:09:54would have left him in there.
7:09:57>> All right. Now, today you testified
7:10:00about the time frame between the two
7:10:02videos, correct?
7:10:03>> Yes.
7:10:05>> So, you came down from the shower where
7:10:07you were hiding, correct?
7:10:10>> Yes. And as you're coming down the
7:10:12stairs, before you even get to the
7:10:14bottom of the stairs, you can kind of
7:10:15see over your shoulder or towards your
7:10:17right that he's trying to hide in the
7:10:19suitcase. Correct.
7:10:21>> Yes.
7:10:23>> And the lid is down, but it's not
7:10:26closed. And you can you can tell he's
7:10:28hiding in there. It's not great hiding
7:10:30spot just yet. Right.
7:10:31>> Correct.
7:10:33>> And so you come over to him and you're
7:10:35laughing, right?
7:10:36>> Yes. And you move the suitcase around
7:10:39some before zipping it shut, right?
7:10:42>> No.
7:10:42>> No. You immediately zip it shut.
7:10:45>> Yes.
7:10:45>> Okay.
7:10:47And you're both still laughing about it.
7:10:49Correct.
7:10:50>> Correct.
7:10:51>> All right.
7:10:53And then it's during this course of
7:10:56time. How quickly is it after you zip it
7:10:58shut that you begin filming the first
7:10:59video?
7:11:01>> I don't know without watching it. I
7:11:03don't I don't know. In our video of the
7:11:06direct examination, we asked you to note
7:11:08just how detailed her memory from the
7:11:10night was. She went over the entire day
7:11:12from when she woke up at 10:00 a.m. to
7:11:14George asking to get drunk to cleaning
7:11:15the house, going to Publix, spending a
7:11:18few hours outside, coming back inside
7:11:20because she stated he needed a change of
7:11:22scenery, which is still [ __ ] wild to
7:11:24say, telling him to call his daughters,
7:11:26doing some arts and crafts and a puzzle,
7:11:28and more. Sarah recalled everything,
7:11:31times, feelings, and thoughts. But now
7:11:33she doesn't know. Now things are blurry.
7:11:35Like in the case of Robert Telis, Nancy
7:11:37Broofphy, and Richard Merritt, Sarah
7:11:39doesn't like the prosecution. He's the
7:11:41man who is actively trying to destroy
7:11:42her life. And she thinks that by
7:11:44agreeing with what he says or responding
7:11:46to his questions, he wins. She wants to
7:11:48make his life harder. Even if she comes
7:11:50across as spiteful and further hurts her
7:11:52credibility in the process, put yourself
7:11:54in the position of a jury member. You've
7:11:56been in court all day and you haven't
7:11:58been able to communicate with anyone
7:12:00about the case and you likely want to
7:12:02return to your daily life as quickly as
7:12:04possible. You have been dutifully paying
7:12:05attention throughout the case. And then
7:12:07after 3 hours of testifying on your own
7:12:09behalf, you watch as the defendant
7:12:11pretends not to remember things she just
7:12:13said. Not only would you be annoyed, any
7:12:16faith you would have that she was being
7:12:17honest would be thrown out the window.
7:12:20>> Okay. I mean, the video is not going to
7:12:22catch you zipping him up because you're
7:12:24like 10 ft away, right?
7:12:26How how quickly after you zip them up is
7:12:28it before the video starts is my
7:12:30question.
7:12:31>> I don't know.
7:12:33>> Okay.
7:12:37And then during that 9 minutes and 14
7:12:39seconds is when he begins to get angry.
7:12:42Correct.
7:12:43>> What 9 minutes that
7:12:45>> between the two videos? There's 9
7:12:46minutes and 14 seconds between the end
7:12:48of 1061 and uh the beginning of 106 or
7:12:511062 and 1063. So you got the 2 minute
7:12:553se secondond video that starts at
7:12:5711:1245. Correct.
7:13:00>> I guess
7:13:02>> permission to use state 17.
7:13:04>> You might
7:14:08All right. So, we're looking at entry
7:14:0931107.
7:14:12that indicates uh according to the phone
7:14:15extraction 223 2020 11:112
7:14:2045 p.m. image_1062
7:14:23movie begins being captured
7:14:26and we have seen that that is about 2
7:14:28minutes and 3 seconds.
7:14:30Entry 3113
7:14:33indicates that image_1063.move
7:15:05Now it's disconnected.
7:15:44Okay.
7:15:4631113.
7:15:48A second movie is captured at 11:23:03
7:15:51p.m.
7:15:53Your testimony was that after that first
7:15:55video was captured by your phone and
7:15:58you,
7:16:00Mr. Torres began getting angry and
7:16:01trying to push his way out. Correct.
7:16:05>> Say it one more time, please.
7:16:07>> Between these two movies, of which
7:16:08there's about 9 minutes and 14 seconds,
7:16:10Mr. Torres begins to get angry and try
7:16:12and push his way out and get out of the
7:16:14suitcase. Correct. He had been angry on
7:16:16and off about the entire day.
7:16:18>> Okay. You didn't tell us that earlier.
7:16:20You said it was a wonderful fun day all
7:16:22day. Correct.
7:16:23>> That's because I lived.
7:16:26>> Okay. But you did not tell us earlier
7:16:27today that he had been angry throughout
7:16:29the day.
7:16:31>> When would I say that?
7:16:33You described your entire day of doing
7:16:36puzzles and arts and crafts and outside
7:16:41by the dart board and you said it was a
7:16:43wonderful day and everything was fun uh
7:16:46until he was in the suitcase. Did you
7:16:48not testify to that earlier today?
7:16:50>> I did.
7:16:52>> Okay.
7:16:54My specific question between these two
7:16:56movies is this is when he begins to get
7:16:58angry and trying to push his way out and
7:17:00to get out of the suitcase. Correct.
7:17:02>> Angry again. Yes.
7:17:04>> I cannot properly emphasize how stupid
7:17:06this response is and how damaging what
7:17:08she just said is. I was in a live chat
7:17:10watching this trial and this moment
7:17:12didn't seem to stick out to the majority
7:17:13of people. So, let's go over how her
7:17:15response just ruined any credibility she
7:17:18could have had. So, Sarah is being
7:17:19purposely obtuse in a way that doesn't
7:17:21make sense for her credibility, but
7:17:23makes sense for her general worldview.
7:17:25The prosecutor needed Sarah to affirm
7:17:27that she had stated that between the two
7:17:29videos of her laughing while George
7:17:30begged for his life that he attempted to
7:17:32get out of the bag and became angry with
7:17:34her. This is the crux of her defense and
7:17:36the reason the battered wife defense was
7:17:38accepted. Because she wants to make her
7:17:40arguments as robust as possible and
7:17:42feels particularly defiant, she begins
7:17:44to add new details to her already
7:17:46established timeline. She had over 2
7:17:48hours on the stand where she went over
7:17:50everything that she thought, felt, and
7:17:52did leading up to George's death. how
7:17:54they had an amazing day together, how
7:17:56they laughed and joked and had an
7:17:57all-around wonderful time. But now, less
7:18:00than an hour later, she is claiming that
7:18:02he had gotten angry at her throughout
7:18:03the day. She is trying to make her case
7:18:06stronger without realizing she is
7:18:07hurting any credibility that she had. If
7:18:10they had gotten into other arguments
7:18:11during the day, if he had hurt her an
7:18:13hour before or made threats against her
7:18:15prior to getting into the suitcase, that
7:18:17would have come up in her direct. they
7:18:19would have talked about it, gone over
7:18:20how those threats affected her and how
7:18:22she was made to feel unsafe as the day
7:18:24continued. That didn't happen though
7:18:26because she never told anyone prior to
7:18:28now that the day prior to his death had
7:18:30been anything less than amazing. So
7:18:32either Sarah has lied in her direct
7:18:33examination or she is lying now, proving
7:18:36that she is the kind of person who will
7:18:37lie on the stand in order to make
7:18:39herself look better, which is the exact
7:18:41opposite of what you would want the jury
7:18:43to think.
7:18:44>> Okay. And he was expressing his anger in
7:18:47what manner? How did he say this?
7:18:51>> At which point throughout the day?
7:18:53>> Ma'am, you know very well that I'm
7:18:55talking about between these movies.
7:18:57Please answer my question. Between these
7:18:59two movies, how did he express his anger
7:19:01with you?
7:19:03>> Told me that I was going to [ __ ] die.
7:19:05>> Okay. Now, this is happening after he's
7:19:08already told you several times he cannot
7:19:10breathe in the suitcase. Correct.
7:19:12>> Correct. and he's been in there for
7:19:16whatever brief amount of time it took
7:19:18you to zip him up and it's the laughter
7:19:21stops and then you would go over to
7:19:23begin to film. Correct.
7:19:26>> And you're filming your purpose of
7:19:28filming is to kind of teach him a
7:19:30lesson. This is your chance to say
7:19:32something to him when he can't say
7:19:33anything back. Do you correct?
7:19:36>> No.
7:19:37>> Then correct me.
7:19:40>> There was no lesson to be learned. It
7:19:43was just I wanted him to
7:19:46try to understand how I felt so maybe he
7:19:50could progress in being a better person
7:19:53the next day.
7:19:55>> So there was a lesson to be learned.
7:19:56That's exactly what a lesson is.
7:20:00>> So you wanted him to understand how you
7:20:03felt in the past and that's not teaching
7:20:05a lesson.
7:20:07>> I just wanted him to understand.
7:20:09>> Okay.
7:20:11All right. And so immediately prior to
7:20:13zipping him up and putting him into the
7:20:16movie, you had been upstairs. Correct.
7:20:19>> I'm sorry.
7:20:20>> Immediately to coming before coming down
7:20:22and and zipping him up and then filming
7:20:24the first of the two movies, you had
7:20:26been upstairs in the shower. Correct.
7:20:27>> Yes.
7:20:43I'm going to publish what has been
7:20:45labeled as image_1061,
7:20:48which according to the timeline was
7:20:49captured at 11:03 p.m. 1 seconds with
7:20:53her device.
7:21:16All right. Does this appear to be the
7:21:19suitcase that's in question in the two
7:21:21movies that are filmed at 11:12 and
7:21:2311:23 p.m.
7:21:58This is image 1061 taken at 11:03 p.m.
7:22:0231 seconds. Does this appear to be the
7:22:04blue suitcase that's in the two videos
7:22:06that were captured at 11:12 and 11:23
7:22:09p.m.
7:22:09>> Correct.
7:22:11Did you take this image at 11:03 p.m.?
7:22:15>> I I don't remember if I did or not.
7:22:18>> And again, we had uh and by we, I mean
7:22:21you and Mr. Torres, two 1.5 L bottles of
7:22:25wine and plus whatever was left over
7:22:27from the day before. Correct.
7:22:28>> That's correct.
7:22:31>> So, do you you don't remember taking
7:22:32this photograph?
7:22:33>> I don't.
7:22:34>> Do you remember whether or not Mr.
7:22:36Torres was in here?
7:22:38>> I don't remember taking the photo. Okay.
7:22:41So, what is your memory of what happens
7:22:44between
7:22:4611:03
7:22:48p.m. and 31 seconds when that image is
7:22:51captured and then when the movie starts
7:22:54at 11:125?
7:22:55What do you remember?
7:22:57>> I don't.
7:22:59>> Again, Sarah is being inconsistent with
7:23:01her memory when it suits her. All of her
7:23:03testimony and the defense's argument is
7:23:05based solely on her recollection, what
7:23:07she did last night, how she felt, and
7:23:09why she was somewhat justified in taking
7:23:11George's life. Though she said she was
7:23:13drunk, she was able to recall everything
7:23:15with her lawyers, even putting in small
7:23:17dehumanizing aides towards George
7:23:19throughout. But now, she claims she
7:23:21doesn't recall basic things. She has no
7:23:23memory of taking the picture, no memory
7:23:25of what she was doing between when the
7:23:27picture was taken and when she began
7:23:28filming. Besides everything she stated
7:23:30earlier that would make her not
7:23:32responsible for her actions. Her memory
7:23:34is entirely conditional. Anything she
7:23:36does that makes her look good, she
7:23:37remembers without issue. But anything
7:23:39that could make her look guilty or just
7:23:41bad, suddenly she has amnesia. In our
7:23:43previous video, we went over how Sarah
7:23:46would subtly imply that her past
7:23:47partners were horrible people. She
7:23:49wouldn't state anything directly, but
7:23:51she would purposely use negative
7:23:52adjectives when describing them and
7:23:54assert that they were responsible for
7:23:56everything bad, while she was
7:23:57responsible for everything good. In this
7:23:59setting, that kind of manipulation was
7:24:01easy to point out. But we discussed how
7:24:03it's a lot harder to recognize
7:24:05one-on-one. But this this is obvious.
7:24:07The prosecution has already put forward
7:24:09the theory of what happened that night
7:24:11based on the evidence, and Sarah could
7:24:13easily deny their assertions. but
7:24:15instead she just claims that she doesn't
7:24:17know what they're talking about and she
7:24:18has no memory of the events she has
7:24:20already recalled in detail and becomes
7:24:22obviously defiant. It's so blatant that
7:24:25it just affirms that she's lying.
7:24:29>> Do you remember anything from that
7:24:31night?
7:24:31>> I do.
7:24:33>> You told the police on February or
7:24:35February 25th, 2020 when they first
7:24:37showed you the video that you didn't
7:24:39remember taking that. Do you remember
7:24:40that?
7:24:41>> I do.
7:24:42And your testimony is you do remember
7:24:44taking that video.
7:24:45>> I do.
7:24:46>> But you don't remember taking that
7:24:47photograph 9 minutes prior.
7:24:50>> Correct.
7:24:51>> Is there something? Did you have more to
7:24:53drink in those 9 minutes?
7:24:54>> I did not.
7:25:03>> Was Mr. Cororez
7:25:06in that suitcase the entire time between
7:25:0911:03 when that image was taken and then
7:25:12when the second video was taken at 11:23
7:25:14p.m.
7:25:15>> I believe so. Yes.
7:25:17>> So for 20 minutes?
7:25:19>> Yes.
7:25:20>> However long the time frame is.
7:25:22>> Did he begin telling you that he
7:25:23couldn't breathe before the video or do
7:25:25you not remember?
7:25:26>> I don't remember.
7:25:38Now, you testified moments ago that um
7:25:41your two neighbors must have
7:25:43misremembered which night the loud noise
7:25:45was. Correct.
7:25:47>> Yes.
7:25:48>> And now you're telling us that you don't
7:25:50remember taking the photograph at 11:03
7:25:52p.m. Correct.
7:25:54>> Correct.
7:25:56Based on the furrowing of Sarah's
7:25:57eyebrows, she doesn't seem to realize
7:25:59why this is being asked. So, let's break
7:26:01that down because it's kind of funny.
7:26:02Sarah has shown that her memory cannot
7:26:04be trusted. She remembers everything she
7:26:06did that validates her narrative until
7:26:08she randomly remembers other things on
7:26:10the stand or under cross-examination
7:26:12despite the four long years it took for
7:26:14this case to go to trial. Everything
7:26:16that affirms her story is at the
7:26:17forefront of her mind. Meanwhile, any
7:26:19evidence that shows her own guilt or
7:26:21goes against her own narrative, she
7:26:23can't definitively recall. So the basis
7:26:25of her story destroyed. Worse still is
7:26:27the fact that she has directly
7:26:28criticized and tried to debunk other
7:26:30people's witness testimony in this case,
7:26:33stating that her two neighbors who
7:26:34recalled hearing Sarah and George fight
7:26:36and allowed thump as if a 100 pound
7:26:38suitcase had been thrown down a flight
7:26:40of stairs were misremembering. It's
7:26:42widely believed that George's injuries
7:26:44within the suitcase came from her
7:26:46pushing him down the stairs. That she
7:26:48made up the story about hitting the
7:26:49suitcase with a bat because that sounds
7:26:51less callous than the truth. But to be
7:26:53frank, both are bad and we will never
7:26:55truly know. Back to what we were saying,
7:26:57Sarah is trying to assert that the only
7:26:59credible witness that night is herself.
7:27:01That the two neighbors are either lying
7:27:03or misremembering, even though her own
7:27:04memory cannot be trusted. But she
7:27:06doesn't seem to realize that even when
7:27:08it's directly pointed out to her. One
7:27:10thing that we've noted over our coverage
7:27:11of men and women with these narcissistic
7:27:13tendencies is that while they have a
7:27:15very high viewpoint of their own
7:27:16intelligence, they fall remarkably short
7:27:18when it comes to following their own
7:27:20thoughts to their logical conclusion.
7:27:22You would think that if you were going
7:27:23to argue that you were impaired and
7:27:25don't recall significant portions of an
7:27:26event that you would recognize that you
7:27:28cannot comment on anyone else's
7:27:30recollection. But Sarah doesn't. She
7:27:32wants to be viewed as the only true
7:27:33witness, the only one that should be
7:27:35believed. And she doesn't recognize that
7:27:37everything she has said up to this point
7:27:39has made her less trustworthy.
7:27:42>> Did the police come out to your uh
7:27:45townhouse on Sunday, February 23rd,
7:27:472020?
7:27:50>> Yes.
7:27:52I'm talking about Sunday. This is the
7:27:53Sunday funday when we're going to Publix
7:27:55twice. Were the police out of your
7:27:56residence?
7:27:58>> No,
7:27:59>> it was the day after. Monday the 24th,
7:28:02>> correct?
7:28:02>> Yes.
7:28:05>> And
7:28:08that Monday morning, you called 911.
7:28:11Well, Monday afternoon at about 1 p.m.,
7:28:13correct?
7:28:15>> Yes.
7:28:17And
7:28:18between that time frame, you were the
7:28:21only person in your apartment plus Mr.
7:28:23Torres in the suitcase. Correct.
7:28:25>> Yes.
7:28:26>> So if anything had been disturbed in
7:28:28your apartment, you had all the time
7:28:30that you wanted to to undisturb them
7:28:33before calling 911. Correct.
7:28:36>> If I wanted to.
7:28:38>> Okay.
7:28:40And you still your testimony is there
7:28:43was no loud boom that shook the walls of
7:28:46your townhouse at about 11 p.m. the
7:28:48night of February 23rd, 2020. Correct.
7:28:51>> Correct.
7:28:53>> To the best of your memory. Correct.
7:28:55>> Correct.
7:29:04Now, that second video, the 22 seconds
7:29:07where you just hear him say Sarah and
7:29:09you don't say anything. You're familiar
7:29:11with that video, correct?
7:29:12>> Yes.
7:29:13>> It's after that that you go upstairs,
7:29:15correct?
7:29:16>> Yes.
7:29:17>> How quickly is it that you go upstairs
7:29:18after that?
7:29:20>> It was pretty quick.
7:29:22>> Can you grab the dogs?
7:29:24>> No, the dogs were upstairs already.
7:29:26>> Okay.
7:29:28Did you uh call 911 and let the police
7:29:32know that you had zipped somebody shut
7:29:33in a suitcase and they had not been able
7:29:35to get out for 20 minutes?
7:29:37>> I did not.
7:29:39>> Did you go to Brian's house and tell
7:29:42him? I had to zip Mr. Torres up in a
7:29:45suitcase shut. Um we need to do
7:29:48something about that before he passes.
7:29:50>> I believe that's what the phone call
7:29:52was.
7:29:53>> Okay. Well, what do you remember now
7:29:54about the phone call with Brian?
7:29:57I I know that I called him. I I'm not I
7:30:00don't know specifically what it was
7:30:02about.
7:30:03>> Sarah doesn't realize she is saying
7:30:05conflicting things, which is frankly
7:30:07[ __ ] strange to behold. She has had
7:30:09all the time in the world to prepare for
7:30:10this cross-examination, and she's doing
7:30:12so horrifically in a manner that I
7:30:14didn't think was possible.
7:30:17>> Now, your testimony, it seems like you
7:30:20spend day after day finding things to
7:30:23entertain Mr. Torres to do. Correct?
7:30:26Yes.
7:30:27>> Almost like having a child. You had you
7:30:30have your own child. Correct.
7:30:31>> I do.
7:30:32>> What you described sounded like having a
7:30:34small child. Would you agree?
7:30:36>> That's your interpretation.
7:30:38>> Okay. Well, you take him from doing arts
7:30:40and crafts to doing puzzles, so on and
7:30:43so forth. Correct.
7:30:44>> When he's been drinking. Yes.
7:30:51>> And Mr. Torres was notorious for doing
7:30:56some of these things. Correct.
7:30:58>> What do you mean?
7:30:59>> Well, you described Mr. Torres as being
7:31:01notoriously known for doing things. You
7:31:03described your ex-husband, Brian Boon,
7:31:06notorious for doing things like nagging
7:31:07and calling all the time. You remember
7:31:09your testimony calling people notorious
7:31:11for doing things.
7:31:13>> Yes.
7:31:15>> What would you say people would say
7:31:17you're notorious for?
7:31:20>> I don't know.
7:31:25And you would not answer Brian Boon,
7:31:28your ex-husband's phone calls, just so
7:31:31that you could let him know that you're
7:31:32busy and you have things going on.
7:31:34Correct.
7:31:36>> I knew that at whatever time it was that
7:31:38he was calling me that he could wait for
7:31:42the few moments of me getting up to
7:31:44where Lucas gets off school, out of
7:31:46school at 3:00.
7:31:48>> Okay. But you wouldn't return his call.
7:31:50You would let him call several times.
7:31:52Correct.
7:31:54>> That day? Yes.
7:31:55>> Okay. How about other days? Would he
7:31:57have to call to remind you to get Lucas
7:31:58on other days?
7:32:00>> He wasn't reminding me. He was just
7:32:04making sure that uh Lucas was was
7:32:08covered for a pickup or drop off.
7:32:11>> That is what a reminder is. He wouldn't
7:32:13need to call you if he was certain you
7:32:15remembered or was confident that you
7:32:17would follow through with your
7:32:18commitments. He had to remind you
7:32:20because you wouldn't do it.
7:32:22>> All right. You didn't mention uh to the
7:32:25sheriff's office either February 24th or
7:32:29February 25th about going to Publix with
7:32:32Mr. Torres at noon or 12:17. Did you?
7:32:35>> I don't recall.
7:32:38>> So the best the best evidence of that
7:32:41would be the reporting of those
7:32:42interviews.
7:32:43>> Correct.
7:32:49Did you not remember going to Publix
7:32:51with Mr. Torres that day?
7:32:55>> At what point?
7:32:56>> At any point?
7:32:59>> No, I didn't.
7:33:02>> You uh had indicated to the police that
7:33:05um it was about 400 p.m. that you all
7:33:07had started drinking after doing chores.
7:33:09You recall that?
7:33:10>> I do.
7:33:12And your testimony today was that it was
7:33:15really more after you guys went to
7:33:17public at about 12:17 p.m. Correct.
7:33:21>> Yes.
7:33:22>> And you did not tell the truth to the
7:33:24police. Correct.
7:33:26>> I'm sorry.
7:33:27>> You did not tell the the truth to the
7:33:30police about that. Correct.
7:33:32>> I did not.
7:33:34>> And when they were asking you about Mr.
7:33:36Torres's injuries,
7:33:39you told them that you had nothing to do
7:33:40with it. Correct.
7:33:42>> Yes.
7:33:43>> That was not the truth.
7:33:45>> Correct.
7:34:02>> What did y'all have for breakfast on the
7:34:04uh 23rd?
7:34:07>> I don't remember. Did y'all have lunch?
7:34:11>> I believe we had leftovers from I think
7:34:15something that we had in the fridge.
7:34:17>> And do you recall what those were?
7:34:21>> Not not at this point. No.
7:34:24>> Sarah is further destroying her argument
7:34:26because despite her quick recollection
7:34:27earlier, she now appears to have no
7:34:29significant memory of the day in
7:34:31question. She can't remember what she
7:34:32ate. She states that she didn't even
7:34:34remember going with George to Publix the
7:34:36first time. And that's a huge issue
7:34:38because her entire defense relies on her
7:34:40recollection. Remember when we discussed
7:34:42how George made a second trip to the
7:34:44grocery store, one where he took Sarah's
7:34:46car to buy more wine. Sarah stated that
7:34:48she had not given him permission to take
7:34:50her vehicle and made it appear as if it
7:34:52was a huge violation of trust. But ask
7:34:54yourself, how can she honestly say that
7:34:56if she can't recall the first trip? If
7:34:58she was so drunk that early in the day
7:35:00off of the half bottle of wine they
7:35:02already had that she didn't remember the
7:35:04first trip, how could she confidently
7:35:05say she didn't approve of the second?
7:35:07How can she confidently recall that he
7:35:09only called his family at her insistence
7:35:11or that there wasn't a loud boom that
7:35:13shook the walls of the townhouse that
7:35:14night? Her statements don't line up, but
7:35:16she seems entirely unaware of that fact.
7:35:20>> And then I believe you mentioned having
7:35:21a sandwich of some sort for dinner.
7:35:25No, I believe it was for I'm guessing he
7:35:28and I ate at the same time.
7:35:50And at one point, Mr. Torres called his
7:35:53brother Juan. Correct.
7:35:54>> Yes.
7:35:55>> And do you admit that you were yelling
7:35:57in the background telling Mr. Torres to
7:35:59tell his brother that he had been
7:36:01choking you?
7:36:03>> I don't know if I was yelling. I know
7:36:04that I he could hear me through the
7:36:07phone.
7:36:08>> So, how long had that been going on that
7:36:11day? When did you start uh getting on
7:36:13Mr. Troy about choking you in the past?
7:36:18>> I had he and I had had conversations
7:36:21about it. um because he didn't remember
7:36:25doing it to me and
7:36:28um
7:36:29the next day and the day of.
7:36:35>> Is it fair to say that there are just
7:36:37points in time where you don't remember
7:36:39what you do either? Correct.
7:36:42>> Are you talking about almost 5 years
7:36:43ago?
7:36:44>> I'm talking about from drinking. Is it
7:36:46fair to say that you don't often
7:36:48remember things that you did while you
7:36:49were drinking?
7:36:51>> I would not say often. Okay.
7:36:54>> Okay. Sarah cannot be doing a worse job
7:36:56with her answers. Her tone and general
7:36:58behavior is fine. She's not being openly
7:37:00combative, and we've certainly covered
7:37:01worse defendants. But she's doing such a
7:37:03terrible job without realizing it. So,
7:37:05let's review what has happened thus far.
7:37:07Over the past 30 minutes of
7:37:08cross-examination, Sarah has added
7:37:10details to a story that she has been
7:37:12telling for 4 years, openly and
7:37:14objectively lied on the stand, and has
7:37:16repeatedly stated that she doesn't
7:37:17remember anything that occurred the
7:37:19night of George's death that goes
7:37:20against her defense. She has asked the
7:37:22jury to overlook the video evidence, the
7:37:24witness testimony, and any other
7:37:26evidence against her, and to trust her,
7:37:28even though she has admitted to having
7:37:30virtually no solid memories of the night
7:37:32in question. And now she is claiming
7:37:34that even though she admitted to having
7:37:35a drinking problem, she did not
7:37:37regularly black out or forget things
7:37:39while drinking, that this event was out
7:37:40of character for her, even though less
7:37:42than an hour ago she stated that was not
7:37:44the case. Those two things cannot both
7:37:46be true. any goodwill she had garnered
7:37:48from the direct examination is
7:37:50completely out the door now. Even when
7:37:52it doesn't matter or doesn't go against
7:37:53her case, Sarah will just lie and make
7:37:55[ __ ] up.
7:37:57>> In the course of your relationship with
7:37:58Mr. Torres, are there things you don't
7:38:00remember happening that happened the
7:38:02night before between you and him?
7:38:05>> I can't say that at this point.
7:38:09>> But you said that you don't remember
7:38:11taking that photograph at 11:03 p.m. on
7:38:14February 23rd. Correct?
7:38:15>> Yes.
7:38:21Was there anything else that you were
7:38:23telling Mr. Torres that he needed to
7:38:25tell his brother?
7:38:27>> Not that I can recall.
7:38:29>> Was there anything you were telling him
7:38:31that he needed to tell his daughters?
7:38:34>> Not that I can recall.
7:39:03Now, you indicated that Mr. Torres would
7:39:06use your phone to look at pornography,
7:39:08>> correct?
7:39:09Were there ever any points in times when
7:39:11it was you? It was you looking at
7:39:13pornography?
7:39:15>> Um, if I was, it was to go back and look
7:39:18to see.
7:39:26>> Did you ever
7:39:28threaten to get Mr. Torres arrested if
7:39:31he did not do what you wanted him to do?
7:39:34>> I wouldn't say threatened.
7:39:36>> Okay. Well, were there ever points in
7:39:39times where you would like him to call
7:39:41you or return a call? And if he didn't
7:39:43do that, um, you would threaten to get
7:39:45him arrested?
7:39:48>> It depends on if he had my keys or
7:39:50something that I needed from him.
7:39:52>> I think it's apparent that if you were
7:39:53telling someone that if they don't do
7:39:55something you want them to do that, you
7:39:56will call the police on them. That is a
7:39:58threat. Sarah would routinely tell
7:40:00George that she was going to call the
7:40:02cops on him if he didn't call her back.
7:40:04That's obviously not rational, but it's
7:40:06also a threat. One of Sarah's main
7:40:08issues is that she doesn't see her own
7:40:09faults, even when they are in the past.
7:40:12She could have easily stated that she
7:40:13did do that, that she was under the
7:40:15influence at the time because she had an
7:40:16unhealthy reliance on alcohol, even
7:40:18though that wouldn't excuse the behavior
7:40:20outright. Her accepting blame and fault
7:40:22in that instance would help her look
7:40:24repentant to the jury. But instead, she
7:40:26tries to state that it wasn't a threat,
7:40:28and she only did that when it was
7:40:29appropriate, even though it obviously
7:40:31never was appropriate.
7:40:35And it was your townhouse, correct?
7:40:39>> Mine? Yes. Flush hours?
7:40:41>> Well, you when did you get him off the
7:40:43lease?
7:40:45>> Um, I'm not sure what um year it was,
7:40:47but I don't think he was actually
7:40:49removed from the lease.
7:40:50>> Okay.
7:40:51>> I think he was made a different type of
7:40:52tenant.
7:40:55>> And
7:40:57did you change the locks so that he
7:40:59couldn't get back in at the points of
7:41:00times when you kicked him out? I did
7:41:02sometimes.
7:41:03>> Okay.
7:41:04>> And then would you leave the key in the
7:41:06hiding spot that he was aware of?
7:41:11>> There were multiple hiding places.
7:41:13>> Okay. On any of the 911 calls, did you
7:41:16ever mention that Mr. Torres was aware
7:41:19of where you kept your keys and that's
7:41:20how he got back into the house?
7:41:23I didn't.
7:41:24>> No, I needed two.
7:41:27>> He would never break into my home. All
7:41:31right. It's your testimony that you did
7:41:33not push him down the stairs. Correct.
7:41:35>> Yes.
7:41:36>> And in fact, it was him that dragged you
7:41:40down the stairs the night before.
7:41:42Correct.
7:41:42>> Yes.
7:41:43>> Now, by dragged, were did you leave your
7:41:45feet?
7:41:47>> Yes.
7:41:48>> And did you get scrapes on your knees or
7:41:50anywhere from the carpet?
7:41:52>> I'm not sure. I don't
7:41:54>> Did you get any injuries like bruises or
7:41:56abrasions or scrapes?
7:41:59Um, I was missing a a lot of my hair.
7:42:03Yes, that was on the stairwell.
7:42:05>> Okay. And you agree that you were
7:42:08photographed on February 24th when the
7:42:10police came out. Correct.
7:42:12>> The day of the incident.
7:42:14>> Well, the [clears throat] afternoon
7:42:15after the incident. We're not sure when
7:42:16he passed.
7:42:17>> Yes.
7:42:22>> Some of those photographs showed
7:42:23ashtrays inside your house. where you I
7:42:26thought you said you guys couldn't smoke
7:42:27inside your house.
7:42:28>> We couldn't.
7:42:29>> But you did, right?
7:42:31>> Sometimes. Yes.
7:42:37>> And you agree you would go to the
7:42:39hospital and tell them things that were
7:42:41not true. Correct.
7:42:43>> Yes.
7:42:44>> There were times where you would go to
7:42:45the hospital and leave without getting
7:42:47treatment. Correct.
7:42:48>> Yes.
7:42:49>> And is it fair to say that you often had
7:42:52alcohol in your system when you were
7:42:53going to the hospital? Correct.
7:42:55>> Sometimes.
7:43:09All right. So, just to summarize the day
7:43:13to make sure we understand it,
7:43:15you all wake up sometime in the morning,
7:43:17but it's an unknown time. Correct.
7:43:21on February 23rd
7:43:23>> or early afternoon. I Yes, I had a
7:43:25problem with the detectives and been
7:43:27having me guesstimate times.
7:43:29>> Okay.
7:43:30>> Sarah is now saying that any definitive
7:43:32time that was present prior in this case
7:43:35is now the fault of the detectives,
7:43:36which is strange because she didn't feel
7:43:38the impulse to state this earlier when
7:43:40she was discussing the day on direct
7:43:42examination. She had no issue giving
7:43:44precise times then.
7:43:46>> Are you the kind of person like most of
7:43:47us that uses your phone when you wake
7:43:49up?
7:43:50Yeah.
7:43:51>> So, the first activity on your phone may
7:43:54have nothing to do with when you woke
7:43:55up. Is that fair for you?
7:43:57>> Yes. Other than looking at the time,
7:43:58possibly.
7:43:59>> Okay. [clears throat]
7:44:01So, at some point you wake up. It
7:44:03doesn't sound like you have breakfast.
7:44:05Correct.
7:44:05>> Right.
7:44:06>> You do some chores. Correct.
7:44:09>> Yes.
7:44:10>> So, that is true. That part of it is
7:44:11true. You did do chores before going to
7:44:13Publix at 12:17.
7:44:14>> Yes.
7:44:15>> All right. After chores, you go to
7:44:18Publix and you get that 1.5 L Magnum
7:44:20bottled Woodbridge Chardonnay. Correct.
7:44:23>> I'm not sure what Magnum is.
7:44:25>> 1.5 L. Instead of the 750s, it's the
7:44:28double size. It's like two bottles of
7:44:30wine.
7:44:31>> Okay. Yes.
7:44:32>> So, you got a 1.5 L, right?
7:44:34>> Yes. It was the larger bottle.
7:44:35>> And you got home and you [clears throat]
7:44:37at 100 pounds and Mr. Torres at 103 lbs
7:44:40began drinking this wine. Correct.
7:44:43>> I'm I'm guessing so. I'm not going to
7:44:45guess times.
7:44:46>> Well, don't guess. I mean, you got home
7:44:47from Publix. When was your first drink?
7:44:51>> I'm not sure. I mean, we could have
7:44:52continued to do uh whatever was left
7:44:55over from what we didn't do before we
7:44:58went to Publix.
7:44:59>> Okay. So, you may have dr started
7:45:00drinking even later, correct?
7:45:03>> Then
7:45:04>> 12:30 when you get back from Publix?
7:45:07>> I I I I don't know.
7:45:09>> Okay. Was it 1:30 or 2:30 when you began
7:45:11drinking?
7:45:12>> I don't know. All right. Was it before
7:45:15any of the phone calls to the brothers
7:45:17and the and his daughters?
7:45:19>> Yes.
7:45:22>> And so you drink what's left in the mag
7:45:25the bottle of wine from the day before
7:45:26that's halfway label. Correct.
7:45:29>> At some point.
7:45:30>> And then you drink 1.5 L of wine and he
7:45:34goes out and gets another one on his own
7:45:36without your permission or suggestion
7:45:38about 5:30. Correct.
7:45:40>> Correct.
7:45:41And then you all consume that one as
7:45:43well and it ends up in the trash can at
7:45:45the end of the night. Correct.
7:45:46>> Apparently.
7:45:48>> Okay.
7:45:50At what point in the night does your
7:45:52memory tape stop? Cuz you described that
7:45:54it wasn't on at 11:03 p.m. when that
7:45:57photograph was taken. What's the last
7:45:59thing you actually do remember prior to
7:46:01these videos being made?
7:46:05>> I I don't recall at this point. I
7:46:10I I don't remember.
7:46:12>> Okay.
7:46:14>> All right. And so it ends in hide and
7:46:18seek after arts and puzzles, correct?
7:46:20>> Yeah.
7:46:21>> He says, "Tag you're it, but you run and
7:46:23go upstairs and hide, right?"
7:46:25>> Yes.
7:46:25>> So, does that mean he's it and he's
7:46:27supposed to come find you?
7:46:30>> No.
7:46:31>> Just
7:46:31>> So, you both hide?
7:46:33>> No.
7:46:34>> Okay. How does this work?
7:46:37I I I don't know how to tell you. I
7:46:40>> Okay,
7:46:41>> I was it and I I went and hid
7:46:44>> I mean my understanding of the rules of
7:46:46hide-and-seek is one person will be it
7:46:49cover his or her eyes and count to like
7:46:5120 and then go find the person that's
7:46:53hiding. Is that your familiarity with
7:46:55the rules too or do you guys have house
7:46:56rules? Cool.
7:46:58>> I understand how they hide.
7:47:03>> Explain to me what was your expectation.
7:47:04You go up to the shower. Were you
7:47:06expecting him to come find you?
7:47:08>> I was.
7:47:09>> Okay. And after a while, he did not come
7:47:12find you.
7:47:13>> Yes.
7:47:14>> And that's when you returned downstairs,
7:47:16>> correct?
7:47:17>> And because of the way your townhouse is
7:47:19set up, you can kind of see over where
7:47:21the suitcase is and that he's trying to
7:47:23hide in there, but it's not successfully
7:47:25hidden just yet.
7:47:27>> I mean, yes, you have to come down a
7:47:28good ways in order to be able
7:47:30>> Right. But you saw you testified those
7:47:32before you got to the bottom.
7:47:35Yes.
7:47:35>> All right. And then you come over there
7:47:37and thinking that it's funny, you zip
7:47:40him shut. Correct.
7:47:41>> Yes. We both thought it was funny.
7:47:43>> Okay. And the defendant stand
7:47:47into the well.
7:47:48>> Yes.
7:47:49>> Yes.
7:47:54>> Deputy,
7:47:55could we release her into the well,
7:47:57please?
7:48:01Heat.
7:48:12Heat.
7:48:57All
7:49:14right, Miss Boon, can you demonstrate
7:49:18for the jury where Mr. Torres's head was
7:49:21and how his body was positioned in the
7:49:23suitcase, if you don't mind? His back
7:49:26was this way and his head was here.
7:49:28>> All right. And then is it fair to say
7:49:30his feet are kind of down here, which
7:49:32would be the front left corner from
7:49:35their perspective in the jury box?
7:49:37>> Yes.
7:49:38>> And then his knees are kind of tucked up
7:49:39towards his face.
7:49:41>> If I remember correctly, yes, that's the
7:49:44position.
7:49:44>> Okay. All right. Can you help me
7:49:48understand how it was that your zip
7:49:53is shut? Can you can you show us where
7:49:56you say you left an opening that his
7:49:58hand cut out of
7:49:59>> it? Would it be easier to put it down
7:50:01here?
7:50:02>> I didn't want to make it go down there.
7:50:04You if you're happy doing that, I'll let
7:50:05you
7:50:07hold up. Hold up. Does she need to be
7:50:10wearing glove?
7:50:11>> Yes.
7:50:12>> Agreed. She's going to be manipulating
7:50:14it.
7:50:22What's up?
7:50:46>> What you want her to do? just
7:50:48demonstrate how she zipped it shut.
7:50:50>> Okay. Where's the paper?
7:50:54>> I do remember what
7:50:56it was in.
7:51:16This side.
7:51:52judge. The paper clip was on when this
7:51:55event occurred. When we pulled the
7:51:58suitcase out earlier, the paper paper
7:52:00clip was not attached. So now the
7:52:03prosecutor has attached the paper clip.
7:52:05We don't know if that's the way it was
7:52:06attached. signing a paper clip.
7:52:10>> We don't know if that's the proper way
7:52:12that it was attached, but he's asking
7:52:13her now to pull.
7:52:16>> Is there an objection?
7:52:20>> Yes.
7:52:21>> Approach.
7:52:33Objections overruled.
7:52:36All
7:52:37right.
7:52:37>> Feel most comfortable, sir. More. You
7:52:40ready? Can we see how it was that the
7:52:44two zipper parts were positioned when
7:52:47you say that Mr. Torres was able to get
7:52:49his hand out?
7:52:50If you want me to do it, I'm fine and
7:52:52take your direction.
7:52:54>> Um, from what I remember,
7:52:58this is how the suitcase
7:53:01is how the suitcase works.
7:53:11This was up here.
7:53:15This was not this hard either.
7:53:21So, this was like here.
7:53:24>> Okay. Right here.
7:53:35about right there, ma'am.
7:53:38>> Sure.
7:53:40>> I assume this one was much closer.
7:53:45It's not over there. Where did you Where
7:53:46did you leave?
7:53:47>> You asked me where I zipped it.
7:53:49>> When When you say that was zipped shut,
7:53:52show us.
7:53:53Are you talking about how I zipped it
7:53:55or?
7:53:56>> When you're done zipping it shut and
7:53:58he's inside of it, where are the zipper
7:54:00components?
7:54:16>> Just tell me what
7:54:19>> I mean it was the corner.
7:54:23open. I mean, it's not.
7:54:29>> Yes, this one was pretty much
7:54:33from what I can remember. That's
7:54:37how he was coming with his hand out. It
7:54:39was like this from the corner part.
7:54:42>> Okay.
7:54:47>> Thank you. You can return.
7:55:06Did you ever change the position of
7:55:10those zippers once once you put it in
7:55:12that position?
7:55:14>> I did not.
7:55:33And so once he was zipped into there,
7:55:36there's some amount of time, but you
7:55:38don't remember specifically before you
7:55:40start taking the two-minute video.
7:55:41Correct?
7:55:43>> Yes.
7:55:45And then that's when you say what you
7:55:46say and that's when he says what he
7:55:48says. We've all heard it, correct?
7:55:51And then between there and that second
7:55:54video at the 22 seconds length, it's at
7:55:57this point where he's beginning to get
7:55:58angry and then that's when you take the
7:56:01baseball bat that's in evidence and your
7:56:04testimony is start poking him with the
7:56:06end of it.
7:56:08>> Did you say that was the second video
7:56:10>> between the two videos? That's That's
7:56:11when you started hitting him with the
7:56:12bat as he was getting angry and trying
7:56:14to escape. Correct.
7:56:16>> Right. I was not hitting him. I was Yes.
7:56:19>> Sarah was hitting him. For her story to
7:56:21align with the evidence, she would have
7:56:23had to have hit George with a bat hard
7:56:24enough to injure him through the
7:56:26suitcase. Again, his injuries were
7:56:28consistent with either being pushed down
7:56:29the stairs in the suitcase or struck
7:56:31repeatedly with the bat. But now she
7:56:33wants to say she didn't actually hit him
7:56:34with the bat. Again, she seems unable to
7:56:37keep the story that her legal team
7:56:38prepped her on because she doesn't like
7:56:40being told that she did anything wrong.
7:56:42>> Did you ever hit him with the bat while
7:56:44he was outside of the suitcase?
7:56:46>> No.
7:56:48>> So, each time that he is hit with the
7:56:52bat, it's through this suitcase
7:56:58and that's what leaves the marks on them
7:56:59because you didn't hit him with the back
7:57:00outside of the suitcase. Correct.
7:57:02>> Yes. ask if you'd like. May I
7:57:03demonstrate?
7:57:05>> No, that's okay. The suitcase will speak
7:57:06for itself. Um,
7:57:11and then you take the second video and
7:57:12you go upstairs and go to bed. Correct.
7:57:15>> I apparently went upstairs and I used
7:57:16the phone to make a phone call.
7:57:18>> Okay.
7:57:18>> And then I fell asleep.
7:57:20>> All right. And at the point in time when
7:57:22you left and went upstairs, he was still
7:57:24inside the suitcase. Correct.
7:57:26>> Correct.
7:57:26>> Was he still asking for you and calling
7:57:28your name?
7:57:30>> Not that I can move on. Did you say shh
7:57:32to him again?
7:57:34>> I don't remember.
7:57:35>> Did you tell him that this was his
7:57:37problem and it's on you again?
7:57:40>> I don't remember.
7:57:42>> Did you do anything to help him escape
7:57:43from the predicament that you zipped him
7:57:45up in?
7:57:48>> No.
7:57:49>> No other questions?
7:57:51>> Any redirect examination?
7:58:00Miss Boon,
7:58:02he just asked you the question that you
7:58:03you poked him
7:58:06and you didn't poke it. You poked every
7:58:08time you poked him hard with the the
7:58:11bat, he was inside the briefcase.
7:58:13>> The suitcase. Yes.
7:58:14>> Uh the suitcase. But you remember when
7:58:17he put his hand out, did you not hit him
7:58:20in the hand outside the suitcase?
7:58:22>> Yes.
7:58:23>> Okay. So that was the only time the bat
7:58:27touched Mr. Torres's body outside the
7:58:30suitcase
7:58:33was when you hit him with a hand, but
7:58:35all the other
7:58:37injuries were with you poking him
7:58:41pretty hard. I mean, you bruised your
7:58:43hand, correct? Doing that. Thank you. I
7:58:47apologize,
7:58:50>> ma'am. You can return to council's
7:58:52table. So that was her time on the
7:58:54stand. Sarah felt seemingly confident
7:58:56with her testimony. And after the
7:58:57defense rested their case, the jury was
7:59:00sent to deliberation. After less than 2
7:59:02hours, they returned, having unanimously
7:59:04found Sarah guilty of seconddegree
7:59:06murder against George Torres. She is
7:59:08currently awaiting sentencing, but her
7:59:10lawyer has already filed a motion for a
7:59:12new trial, which has as much chance of
7:59:14being granted as she had of being found
7:59:16not guilty. If you have made it to this
7:59:17portion in the video, thank you for
7:59:19watching our coverage of the case. We've
7:59:21been discussing Sarah for 2 years now
7:59:23and we hope that this is the last of it.
7:59:24Again, knowing her, it probably won't
7:59:26be. With that said, let us know how you
7:59:28felt about the video by leaving a like
7:59:30or a dislike or a comment down below. If
7:59:32there's a case you would like to see me
7:59:34cover, email me at
7:59:34[email protected].
7:59:37And with that said, remember stay

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