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0:00oxley be gold is our series of the very
0:02best historic interviews from the last
0:0318 years from off-the-ball from the
0:05archives the interviews are currently
0:06airing on o TV sports radio but in the
0:09next couple of weeks we're gonna release
0:10them for you to binge on on the OTB
0:12podcast network so keep an eye out for
0:14OTB gold will publicize it across all of
0:16our social channels but with a new
0:18two-part documentary on ESPN coming soon
0:20to whet your appetite here's our own
0:22Lance Armstrong interview in full here
0:24on YouTube as a teaser of what's to come
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0:32alright by now everybody knows the one
0:34xerocon is on in Dublin in just a couple
0:37of weeks time and their manes their main
0:39guest their main speaker is gonna be
0:41Lance Armstrong and I'm delighted to say
0:42Lance Armstrong is with us now
0:43that's how you doing well good things
0:47I'm just um I'm here in Austin just kind
0:50of uh you know living the life raising
0:52my kids and exercising a little bit and
0:56no complaint yeah okay well that's not a
0:59bad way to be I guess what most people
1:02wanted me to ask you when we said you
1:03were coming on was why are you coming to
1:06Dublin why are you doing interviews at
1:07the moment well why not I guess I would
1:15say it did I have done a few of these
1:22I've spoken at a few campuses here in
1:23the US have done a few more private gigs
1:27but they approached me and asked me to
1:29I'm not looking totally familiar with
1:32the conference and what it is I know
1:33that some of the other speakers who were
1:36there that like any follow up
1:38I've known for quite some time and so
1:43you know it was it was seemed like an
1:46interesting opportunity and one that one
1:49that I was looking forward to doing my
1:51my concern I guess with the conference
1:53and even with this interview a little
1:55bit is that you do have a very important
1:58ongoing case which it seems might
2:00prevent you from answering some of the
2:02questions that I think ultimately are
2:03going to lead to a sense of closure for
2:05a lot of people you know I mean every
2:10time I do a talk I say to the room
2:13I'm not you know I'm not here to
2:15[ __ ] you I'm gonna yes the question
2:18I'm gonna answer the question if if
2:19there happens to be a question that is
2:23too close in too sensitive to the
2:25federal case here in the United States
2:27you know I'm just going to tell you that
2:30I can't answer that question having said
2:33that I've never not answered a question
2:35right so I've never had a question where
2:38I thought oh my god this is too
2:40sensitive I just can't answer it so it's
2:41you know that that that could be the
2:44case in Dublin but like I said and I've
2:48done dozens of these since I case was
2:51was opened and I've never been put in a
2:54position where I thought oh no that's
2:56that's too sensitive were too close to
2:58that subject how close do you feel like
3:02you are to being free from the
3:07controversy because again that was one
3:09of the other things that like there are
3:10a lot of people wondering about putting
3:12their hand in their pockets to buy
3:14ticket for a conference which ultimately
3:15is going to support you where you're
3:16talking about your career which
3:19obviously the seventh or is you don't
3:22technically have them anymore you know
3:24you're you're a doper you've confessed
3:26to that and people still have a
3:28difficulty with supporting somebody
3:31financially who won races while doping
3:35yeah I don't I don't question that I
3:42don't fault them for that that's that's
3:43a that's a process that that I'm living
3:47through and and I guess as we all live
3:49through and and you know I got like I
3:52mean I'll just reiterate if if people
3:55are troubled by that or have a problem
3:58with it and don't want to come then I I
4:00can't
4:02you know fault them for that so that's
4:05that's that's the choice they'll get to
4:07make and and you know for the ones who
4:09who do come and I think they'll be so
4:13they'll be enough you know we'll have a
4:15good we'll have a good conversation it's
4:17the format is is interesting I like to I
4:20like opening with with a basic interview
4:23or a basic moderator and then hoping and
4:26then
4:27letting the floor ask the questions
4:28right so for that's 90 minutes letting
4:30that room ask questions for an hour like
4:32what's on your mind and every every
4:35setting that I've done that in these did
4:37you get some softballs right as can be
4:39expected but you get some people that
4:42are genuinely really pissed off and so
4:44that's you know those those aren't the
4:47easiest questions and answers but that's
4:51just part of it man this is not
4:52something that that people are going to
4:55forget about are people are going to
4:57move on from people people want whether
4:59it's an apology or whether it's a direct
5:02answer or whether it's some contrition
5:04whatever it is and so that's you know I
5:07welcome those opportunities and it's
5:11just it's the spot of myself in so what
5:15let's let's talk a bit about that
5:16because the apologies have been
5:18forthcoming and and I think everybody
5:20has seen you you talk about that and you
5:21know you're on the record to say I don't
5:23know what people want then maybe they
5:24want me to to apologize forever
5:26mmm not sure that's gonna happen but
5:27maybe that's a good thing I guess really
5:29most of our Western civilization is
5:31built on the notion that if you sin you
5:34must redeem yourself there must be an
5:35atonement made there must be some sense
5:38of of justice restored and I'm wondering
5:40maybe that's the bit of your story that
5:42we haven't actually seen yet so we've
5:44seen the apologies but for example I'm
5:46not really sure what you've done to help
5:48cycling since your ban I'm not really
5:50sure you've done to help anti-doping
5:51since your ban I don't really know what
5:54the status of your relationship with a
5:56bunch of other people who were key
5:57figures in your downfall
5:59the and Rios the LeMans Kimmage for
6:02example it's it's restitution to those
6:05people that I think will actually lead
6:07to people coming to these events and go
6:08and okay
6:09Lance's paid for what he did right so
6:14that's a loaded question so just go one
6:17by one now let's start at the beginning
6:18have you atoned to cycling you know
6:23that's that's a very different I'm I'm
6:26not not only am i banned from the sport
6:28but there-there is whether whether it's
6:32the riders whether it's the teams and
6:34events I mean not only I mean it's very
6:38difficult to have any impact
6:41right I'm not I'm not welcome there I'm
6:43persona non grata it's it's that's that
6:47one probably will never happen just
6:50because I'm simply you know I'm never
6:52there I have no people asking about
6:54cycling all the time I say I say I have
6:56no idea I mean I'm the I'm the last
6:58person that would know what's going on I
7:01guess with that so Jamie fuller thinks
7:03that you've got a role to play in the
7:05future of cycling because obviously you
7:06understand exactly what what they are
7:09one yeah I want to finish out what you
7:12said earlier so I want to go one by one
7:14I wanted to answer your initial yeah
7:16okay well I do think that you have a
7:19role to play in cycling if you were tone
7:21to them in the way that I would suggest
7:22that you told to them is kind of the
7:23answer to the anti-doping question and
7:24that's by having a full Frank disclosure
7:27and I know in the past you said that you
7:29would disclose everything if it was
7:30going to be at an international truth
7:35and reconciliation situation that
7:37doesn't look like it's going to happen
7:38anytime soon
7:38and maybe you could be the catalyst for
7:40that by saying this is how I doped this
7:42is when I doped this was the procedures
7:44that I used this was the money that it
7:45cost me this was the access that I had
7:47to Michaela Ferrari and these are the
7:49doctors that helped me he invested
7:59several million dollars
8:01in what was called the search report the
8:05CIA RSC report I testified multiple
8:08times probably more than anybody else
8:10for that Commission now most people
8:13forget that the search report even
8:15happened because it kind of came and
8:16went and it was largely panned the world
8:20over but I was the first person in the
8:22door I was completely transparent I
8:24testified multiple times and not only
8:27did I do that but I've testified
8:29multiple times and private to you sada
8:31and so you know people don't know those
8:36things people don't talk about those
8:37things and they don't want to know maybe
8:38they don't want to talk about them would
8:40you talk about them though would you
8:41tell us what you said to you sorry or
8:43like why why does that need to be
8:44private because it ultimately at this
8:46point I don't know who would be
8:48protected it seems like the the statute
8:52of limitations would apply to all this
8:53stuff anyway from 2000
8:54six and back in most cases and I think
8:58most cycling fans now would really be
9:00interested in the mechanics of the
9:01doping the how often it happens like
9:04what we've heard so far is what Floyd
9:05tells us and what Tyler Hamilton tells
9:07us but like your relationship with
9:10Michael a Ferrari is fascinating how
9:11that happens the the sense of joy that
9:15the two of you must have felt when you
9:16came together and realize that you found
9:18a kindred spirits well I don't know that
9:23would be a perfect analysis or
9:27description of it but I want to I'm
9:29gonna pin it again I want to keep going
9:30back and finishing the first set of
9:33questions okay you talked about a tone
9:35normal cycle and you talked about it's
9:36normal with the anti-doping it I hope
9:38that I answered those questions and then
9:40you talked about atonement in
9:41restitution with others yeah so that's
9:44you Andrew apologize multiple times the
9:49apology hasn't really worked she's she's
9:51ready Garrett good here's the thing
9:53you're a big boy I'm a big boy she's a
9:57big girl
9:57we're all we're all adults here you can
9:59either accept the apart what I've
10:00learned and and you can't fault you
10:03can't force somebody to an accept an
10:06apology right so whether it's the
10:08interviews whether it's bonds whether
10:10it's ammo Riley whether it's crystal
10:13that songs I've traveled the world to
10:15make to make it right with these people
10:17I have sat in those settings with
10:19Simeoni with best songs with mo Riley
10:21I'm sat with Greg and Kathy LeMond in
10:23San Francisco for half a day and so I
10:27don't know not only that I sit there but
10:31I meant it right so I don't know what
10:33else I need to do well I guess so let's
10:35take most people people that's what
10:37people in these in these positions have
10:40accepted the apology and moved on with
10:42life so the LeMans haven't done the
10:44ondrea's haven't write the LeMans am i
10:47person with knowledge of the situation
10:49told me that you didn t meet them for
10:51four hours and their report my source
10:54was that your primary goal was to have a
10:56press release sign to say that you'd
10:58made up with Greg but the reality is
11:00that you didn't actually apologize and
11:02they were offered to make amends with
11:03elements instead that you claimed during
11:05the meeting that you got caught up in
11:07them
11:08moments uh I don't know who told you
11:13that that's that's absolutely not true
11:15and and and furthermore I'll repeat I
11:20did apologize to them right away
11:23and I meant it and and and furthermore
11:25on top of that because I know that that
11:29they were concerned about the impact
11:31that it had on our children I offered to
11:33travel wherever I needed to travel to
11:35sit with their own children and say hey
11:37I am sorry about this and I hope you
11:41forgive me I understand if you don't but
11:43what you just described I don't know who
11:45told you that is absolutely untrue and
11:48you know of course you don't have to
11:50believe me and I don't have to believe
11:52you I don't have any credibility with
11:53with with these situations but it is
11:57simply not true okay the point about the
12:01LeMans I suppose is they the four people
12:04who are maybe unfamiliar with the story
12:05in your deposition in the SCA case in
12:082006 you said that Greg had an alcohol
12:11and drug problem
12:13and ultimately Trek chooses you over him
12:16and 20 million dollar a year revenue
12:18business disappears from the LeMans life
12:21so did you ever think about making
12:23financial restitution to the LeMans so
12:28you want this so I need to make
12:30financial restitution because I had
12:32nothing to do with treks decisions to do
12:34that really
12:45oh yeah we're still here really
12:48absolutely not because it seems it seems
12:52weird that they turn their back on an
12:54American cycling hero like Greg Lemonds
12:56without their star performer you who is
12:59on the verge of making them billions
13:01grantors but yeah you had no input no
13:05I'm I'm I'm answering your question I
13:08mean you don't have to believe me
13:09okay I answered the question i if you
13:12want me to say it another way so that
13:13you're happy no I don't agree we
13:16understand exactly what you're saying
13:17there's there's no there's no
13:18communication issues there you did go
13:20after Greg LeMond after he said in that
13:23interview with David Walsh that's if you
13:25were doping it was the greatest frauds
13:27in history that that's seen I think
13:29where you're actually reading the paper
13:30is in the Alex Gibney movie so there was
13:33a personal sense of anger towards him
13:36which maybe leads to you know some of
13:40the language that you use you don't
13:42think you need to make financial
13:43restitution obviously that's that's
13:44clear no I don't think I do and here's
13:50thing here is I said in that room not
13:53only with Greg and Kathy I said in that
13:54room with with his lawyer
13:57and with my lawyer and there were plenty
13:59of other people in that room and and I
14:01apologized to him nope never at any time
14:03did Greg and/or Kathy say hey we feel
14:07like you owe us financially right there
14:09and I don't need to get into the details
14:12of the conversation the most important
14:13part was that I was I was sorry for my
14:17actions I was embarrassed by my actions
14:20and I apologized to them and they
14:22accepted the apology okay I don't think
14:24they did accept the apology it seems
14:25that's so I mean if you weren't in the
14:27room what are you talking about well
14:29I've got pretty good sources okay okay
14:33Superman
14:34so what else okay so let's move on to
14:38the Andreas and we leave the LeMans and
14:40maybe we'll reach out to them and see if
14:41they want to comment on this afterwards
14:43so with Betsy I guess it all stems from
14:46the hospital room in 1996 and the fact
14:50that she testified against you in 2006
14:53Frankie testified against you there's
14:56also now an audio recording of
14:58I think it's an oakley employee in the
15:00room who calls Greg Lemonds this is in
15:03the the BBC for film and she says that
15:06if subpoenaed by LeMans lawyers if there
15:09was ever a case against you that she
15:10would also testify that what she had
15:12heard in the room was what Betty
15:13reporter was in the room to this day
15:16still you say actually I don't I can't
15:20remember what was said in the room is
15:22that still your situation with patty
15:26that is still much that my I don't have
15:30a recollection of that conversation and
15:31[Music]
15:33if it's a little I mean this is where
15:38we're and this is perhaps where for
15:41Betsy and I can never reconcile she has
15:45a she has a strong memory of it I do not
15:47have a strong memory of it I think it's
15:49I think it's highly improbable that at
15:53that moment in a patient's treatment
15:56process that a doctor would come in and
15:58have an open conversation about that and
15:59son of a bunch of strangers to him and
16:03or her and so just because of medical
16:07privacy laws and HIPPA laws and all of
16:09the things they're they're firmly in
16:11place doctors just don't do that but but
16:14that's me they're sharing over there
16:15what would we all know what happened if
16:19I don't have a recollection of it as she
16:20does I'm sorry for the way that I
16:23treated the andreas I have said that and
16:26you know to me I mean I would love for
16:32at some point for them to accept my
16:34apology but you know what some some
16:37people just aren't in that place and and
16:39may never be when her name came up in
16:43your podcast recently with the interview
16:44that you were doing with the band foster
16:47the actor who who played you in the the
16:49program that movie you he said I there
16:54was like a pause when he asked you the
16:56question
16:56I don't know the specific wording of the
16:57question but it was basically suggesting
16:59that maybe there was something there was
17:01some other lying motive in how she was
17:04defending her family that went beyond
17:07defending her family and you went hell
17:09hath no fury like a woman scorned
17:12it doesn't really sound like you're
17:14making amends to a woman when that's you
17:16know a pretty terrible thing to say
17:18about her no and I didn't I don't know
17:22if you just listened to 30 seconds of it
17:24I said listen I want to be very
17:25respectful I'm not trying to offend
17:28anybody I don't want to I don't want to
17:32create more of an issue with that family
17:35and so I don't know if you've missed
17:39that part I heard that I heard the whole
17:41thing yes it is really understand for
17:42you
17:46but it did seem kind of you know there
17:50was a there was a gap there I don't know
17:52it just didn't seem like that was it
17:54seemed like you still have something
17:55against Betsy that you're still you know
17:57you weren't like no no no no hang on
17:58they're gonna stop that right there it
17:59was more like whoa we're not going there
18:01and then there's room for people to fill
18:03in that gap about 30 seconds before you
18:05get to that I want to be respectful but
18:07anyway maybe we should move on from this
18:08because like I did speak to Betsy in
18:10advance of this and she said that I can
18:13say on the record Lance has not made
18:15amends I don't want anything from him
18:16other than for him to stop lying about
18:18me when he was smearing me very few in
18:20the media contacted me so I just wanted
18:22to put that side of it out there Micheli
18:24Ferrari let's talk a bit a bit about
18:25that because you you put him in the Alex
18:27Gibney movie and I was astonished by
18:30that because at that stage Michaela
18:32Ferrari is one of the world's most
18:34recognized doping doctors he's had a
18:36conviction granted it's been overturned
18:38but the world and his wife knows that
18:41Ferrari histology and you let Alex
18:44Gibney go and interview him and see all
18:46the stuff that's there and you know show
18:48some of the science that you guys are
18:49working on what was your motivation in
18:51sharing Ferrari with Gibney was in
19:00charge of that project so that was not
19:02it
19:03yes Alex wanted to talk to Ferrari then
19:07that was done on his own you got that
19:10Alex about that
19:11you didn't Nix it though you didn't say
19:13no hang on a second you can't do this no
19:17I mean you'd have to alex is I think
19:19more independent than that and I don't
19:21think that he would have I don't think
19:25we operate Ferrari though obviously you
19:28know you paid million a million dollars
19:29to Ferrari over the years you could have
19:31said listen please don't talk to this
19:33guy I mean yeah so why didn't you why
19:46didn't I say what don't speak to give me
19:48don't do anything here Micheli this
19:51could this is a house of cards it's
19:52gonna come tumbling down and it's gonna
19:53bring you and me and everybody we know
19:55down with us I don't know I was at that
19:59point I was involved I wasn't worried
20:02about I knew that that this was all
20:05going to be out whether the via
20:08documentaries or books early so our
20:12cases with testimony depositions etc
20:16okay did Michaela Ferrari ever offered
20:20to supply you with a motor for your bike
20:24and did you ever consider using a motor
20:27for your bike well it this is
20:30interesting right because it's degrees
20:31of like what's the difference between
20:32using the best EPO and using a motor I'm
20:35kind of interested we're hearing that
20:37the motors and mechanical doping is
20:40something that there's a big story brew
20:42and something's going to break and you
20:44know it would be very interesting to
20:46hear like you were you guys were the
20:48best and you were determined to win from
20:5099 onwards and it's around this time we
20:52think that the Hungarian inventor starts
20:55to offer people stuff and if I was if I
20:58was in possession of a motor the first
20:59person I would go to would be you and
21:00say here listen what do you think okay
21:06and your point did you ever use a motor
21:09so I just told you absolutely not and
21:12there's a as a matter of interest why
21:14what's the difference we doing that and
21:16take an EPO we yeah what are you are you
21:22a complete rookie what are you talking
21:24that in 1999 nobody even knew you could
21:27put a motors or four motorcycles what do
21:30you I mean are you out of your mind
21:34now like look seriously
21:39first of all and I know that that's
21:41topical I know that there has been a
21:43rider caught with a motor over the motor
21:45and the bike but I mean are you crazy
21:50no I'm just I'm just talking to people
21:52who are saying that there's a big story
21:54about motors comon and I'm interested to
21:55get your perspective on it and see if
21:57anybody ever offered you one okay okay
22:02okay you said that nobody ever offered
22:04you one I mentioned Kimmage earlier is
22:06the the Kimmage and Walsh on the list of
22:08people that maybe you could make amends
22:09or atone to kimeta obviously you tweeted
22:12him saying that he should do the
22:12interview at 1-0 car and he said no
22:14because obviously a former and other
22:16journalists had already been booked for
22:17that which would have been very bad for
22:18him from his perspective he he followed
22:21up with a tweet in public DM question
22:24mark I presume that the DM was a why
22:27don't we just have an interview without
22:28an audience
22:29will you grant him that interview
22:31without an audience yeah because I don't
22:38I mean I had one interaction with Paul
22:41and that was at the press conference in
22:42California I didn't handle it right I
22:44mean I'd love to but it's in an
22:47interview over a beer or whatever I took
22:49was Paul anytime hey my bad I'm sorry I
22:52was a complete dick yeah
22:55the the tone of his direct messages I
22:58mean their private messages I don't know
23:01if he feels like I'd be violating any
23:03sort of code there if I reveal those but
23:06yes he wants to do an interview I feel
23:09like it's he doesn't he's not a fan of
23:12the one xerocon it's not a fan of the
23:15organizers but I don't think it's fair
23:18to them to get in the middle of that I
23:21think there's a time and a place for he
23:24and I to sit down but should be told I
23:28don't know Paul Kimmage I don't have
23:30anything against ball games so I mean I
23:32had again there was that one interaction
23:34which I'll fully cop to and confess to
23:37that that I was out of line the [ __ ]
23:39other than that I'm happy to sit down
23:42with them at some point
23:43what am i David Walsh David you talk
23:48about making amends I mean some of these
23:50things
23:52you either make personal amends you make
23:56financial amends David David situation
24:00has been settled and it's a confidential
24:03matter and I can't I can't comment on
24:05that you can't comment on that but yeah
24:09so we're never gonna it's unlucky given
24:11that confidentiality that we're ever
24:13gonna see an interview between you two
24:14at some point in the future or maybe you
24:16know you might stick on your podcast I
24:19thought that would be actually but I
24:22don't I don't I don't know that that's
24:24gonna happen anytime soon would you put
24:27the Ferrari on your podcast and go
24:28through the details of of what you guys
24:30did together you know you know do you
24:33know the name of the podcast the forward
24:36forward so the forward is really its
24:42forward and so going back and talking
24:44about open in the 90s and talking about
24:46the opening in the early 2000s that's
24:48not forward and and and I know that that
24:51probably doesn't sit well with you or
24:54others and and that's okay you could you
24:57can choose not to listen but it's a
24:59forward podcast and it's my podcast and
25:02it's going to be people in subjects that
25:05that I think are interesting but look
25:08it's not the reverse podcast I do think
25:11that there's a big chance for you to
25:13step forward and play a role with
25:15anti-doping and have a credibility with
25:18the audience as somebody who has been
25:21through this but there is still that
25:24sense that we don't know exactly what
25:26happened and we don't really know the
25:27true character like I wonder on the
25:30podcast in various stages yes I told you
25:34at the top of the show here at any time
25:37yes and when I say authorities right so
25:40the UCI with the CEREC report you sada
25:45any time they've wanted to sit down and
25:47talk I have talked is it more than twice
25:49where you saw des because it we heard
25:51those are the first one and then there
25:53was the the second one with Travis which
25:54is about a year ago
25:55have there been more time since no so
25:58it's twice it's twice what you sorry
25:59yeah twice a second twice abuse father
26:02okay and so that
26:06I don't know I mean what more can I do
26:10that I mean I tell you what I tell you
26:12what we want to know we want to be able
26:13to believe in cycling so that we we know
26:15that in the past team owners have
26:17colluded with the organising body and
26:22with the star cyclists
26:24and this is how that collusion works and
26:26actually everybody's responsible for
26:28that as the star cyclists and I think
26:30that actually it would help to implicate
26:33the sport and your role in the sport and
26:35actually maybe ease a little bit of the
26:37pressure if you also said well yeah okay
26:39so this is how this whole thing worked
26:41when the sponsors wanted to turn a blind
26:44eye they turned a blind eye when the
26:46race organizers wanted to turn a blind
26:48eye here's how we managed that when the
26:50governing body wants to turn a blind eye
26:52here's how we did that and those bits
26:54and pieces have been dragged into the
26:56light by the books and by some of the
26:58documentaries and it was really
27:00interesting to me to hear that you
27:00haven't read that many of the books and
27:02you didn't watch the movies until you
27:04watch the program because you were
27:06interviewing the star of it and so I'm
27:08not really sure if you know exactly
27:09what's out there but if you were to sit
27:11down and tell everybody over a short
27:13period of time it's done it's over and
27:15then we can all begin to move on but at
27:17the moment we all feel like actually I
27:20don't know what the truth is I don't
27:21know how this whole system works yeah
27:25you don't bite us well outside of
27:31sitting down with the authorities and
27:33telling them everything I know you know
27:35what what the governing body decides to
27:37do is it I mean we saw what they decided
27:40to do it right the report comes out and
27:42like I said it was panned so whether or
27:46not that collusion with riders and teams
27:48and sponsors and the governing body
27:50exist today I have no idea I guess it's
27:56the architecture of how it existed in
27:57the past that would be interesting to
27:58help prevent it in the future but okay
27:59so we've covered that there's one last
28:01thing I wanted if you haven't read the
28:02books and you haven't seen the movies
28:05you're not entirely sure how you're
28:07portrayed in them I guess you have a
28:09fair idea but at various stages in them
28:10people refer to you as a pathological
28:13liar and in one case the guy says after
28:17the deposition in 2006 either all the
28:19scientists were
28:20this guy's a psychopath and I'm
28:22wondering when you read that and you see
28:24the reports and when people come back
28:25and say this is what these guys have
28:27said about you do you recognize yourself
28:31um I mean I was definitely stuck in a
28:35pattern there of not being truthful and
28:37and the brazenness of that denials and
28:43the defenses and it's embarrassing I am
28:48reminded of that from time to time and I
28:51don't like that and so what the good
28:53news is is look I get to come to Dublin
28:55I get to sit there for 90 minutes if I
28:59had done it five years ago I would have
29:00bullshitted you the entire time and so I
29:03get to sit there and just just say it
29:06the way it is and some will be happy
29:09some will not be happy some for some it
29:12won't be enough for some it will be too
29:14much and yeah that's that's if you think
29:21I roll around every day and worry about
29:24what they told you about I'm not gonna
29:25worry about that right I'm gonna live my
29:26life had high heart full and be as
29:30honest and it's transparent as I can
29:32going forward and again we're all in
29:35process here right so some people
29:37they'll be ok with it some people will
29:40say no that's that's not good enough and
29:42it never will be good enough and I
29:43understand that I understand a man and
29:47that's just that's just the walk that I
29:50have to walk ok - we've got to go I
29:51understand the two final quick questions
29:53where are you where are your jerseys are
29:54they open your house on display at the
29:56moment absolutely and and because Yohan
30:03still has the manager of seven times
30:05Tour de France and his Twitter bio could
30:06be expected to see to come back to yours
30:08at some point I don't know but that's a
30:16fascinating question and I look it's
30:21like when George let me just give you an
30:24example when George Hincapie goes to an
30:26event and is announced right they
30:29introduce him right they say George
30:31Hincapie who rode on nine
30:34in Tour de France winning teams and
30:37nobody questions the breeze claps and
30:39says that's great
30:39alright so the seven for me one for
30:42Contador and one for Cadel Evans nobody
30:44says anything but if I were to go to an
30:47event and announce myself as a
30:49seven-time Tour de France what are
30:50people people would lose their [ __ ]
30:52right so it's it's a bit hypocritical
30:57but the but the event is too great and
31:00too grand to not have a winner
31:01alright so that's that's where I always
31:03get to like you you clearly have an
31:06opinion
31:06your listeners have an opinion I don't
31:08know what those opinions are but my
31:12peers have an opinion about it too
31:13alright so I don't know it's it's a it's
31:18a tough one that I think will take 50 or
31:21100 years to sort out what do you think
31:24of the Bradley Wiggins stuff I don't
31:31know I'm not I'm not surprised by that
31:35but I mean he was theoretically he was
31:39within the rules so there's not much we
31:43can do about that and marginal gains
31:45having been through what you went
31:47through to win your tours do you believe
31:48in marginal gains and Skye again like I
31:51told you at the beginning in the show I
31:53mean I people asked him all the time
31:55about this stuff and I I'd love to
31:58answer the question but I'm so detached
32:00from the sport like nobody nobody in the
32:02sport of cycling is gonna talk to him he
32:04right if they know something that they
32:06want to share that they don't come to me
32:08I'm the last person but anybody that
32:11cycling is going to talk to about that
32:12stuff so I I mean I man I'd love to give
32:15you an answer but I don't I don't have
32:17the answer Lance Armstrong quite happy
32:20in show tonight thanks a million
32:27OTB gold the very best of off the ball
32:32this is OTB sports radio

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