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0:00I wanted to be in the devil's system,
0:02what we call the music industry. It's
0:04It's his system. God makes music, but he
0:06didn't make the music industry. It was
0:09eye-opening. It was devastating. [music]
0:13This is someone I loved. It's It's like
0:14somebody telling you that the girl that
0:15you love ain't what you thought she was.
0:18So, the songwriter [music] secret
0:21became my next
0:23focus or,
0:25you know,
0:26it was almost an obsession.
0:28But, it wasn't an obsession. [music] It
0:30was It was God matching the obsession
0:33that I had with music.
0:35>> [music]
0:35>> As much as I didn't have a
0:38Christian background and upbringing, I
0:40did have this understanding that it was
0:42a God and a devil, [music]
0:44and I knew that I didn't want to be on
0:45the devil's side.
0:47In between the 12th and the 14th floor,
0:50there's a floor there, but you have to
0:52turn the key to stop the elevator
0:53between them. They stopped the elevator
0:55between the two floors, and the doors
0:57opened up, and it's a floor there.
0:59He said he went down the long hall.
1:02It was a big conference room doors at
1:04the end of the hall. Opened up the
1:05conference room, there master tape
1:07sitting in the center
1:09of a pentagram drawn on the tape.
1:11>> Everyone, thank you so much for praying
1:13for my wife, Lindsey, as she overcomes
1:15breast cancer. She's been improving
1:17greatly, and we just continue to ask for
1:19you to pray for her in the name of
1:20Jesus. Thank you very much.
1:24Today, we got Theo from Unplugged 'em
1:27here in studio. How are you, sir?
1:29>> I'm blessed, man, and I'm glad to be
1:30here. I'm honored.
1:31>> I'm glad you're here. Uh I discovered
1:33you on the old YouTube, and uh just
1:37hearing your testimony, I was like,
1:39"Man,
1:40I got to talk to this guy." [laughter]
1:42And honestly, I
1:45I have zero assumptions that I'll be
1:48able to cover an entire conversation
1:49with you today on everything because you
1:52were such a wealth of um
1:54knowledge, but also your testimony is is
1:58uh
1:59very deep in roots where you come from.
2:02It has a lot of different branches and
2:05you're a perfect person for me to have a
2:07conversation with because it allows
2:10so many
2:11the net of people that hear your your
2:13story
2:15is larger because you can speak to so
2:17many different types of people, you
2:19know, cuz the the path your life has
2:20went. Um
2:22before we get into all of it though, I
2:24got to say, man,
2:26I one I have I don't think I've ever had
2:28anybody from Detroit on the show. At
2:31least
2:32at the table with me.
2:33And
2:35I hear rumors of this and I got to ask
2:37you.
2:38Does Detroit have the same word that
2:39Philly uses? Cuz I don't have I've never
2:41heard anybody any other city other than
2:43Philly and I heard Detroit does it too
2:45where when we're talking we say that
2:47joint.
2:48>> No. That's That's expressly Philly.
2:51>> Is that Okay, cuz I
2:53I heard Detroit has that.
2:54>> Well, well, you know, maybe somebody
2:56picked it up, but you know, our our
2:58little thing is what up though.
3:00>> What up though?
3:00>> That's that's That's how we greet each
3:02other. It's a term of endearment when
3:04you're greeting somebody. It also can be
3:07start of a confrontation.
3:09>> [laughter]
3:10>> Depends on how you say it.
3:11>> Right. Depends on how you say it. Yes,
3:13indeed.
3:14>> All right.
3:14>> So, what up though to you?
3:16>> What up though? All right. And uh let's
3:18get this joint going.
3:20>> [laughter]
3:20>> Let's get it going.
3:21>> All right. Yeah.
3:23Uh so, I want today for you to to lay
3:27out um
3:29your testimony, your story of where God
3:31has taken you from a young age.
3:33>> Okay.
3:34>> Uh cuz you were you were spiritually
3:35curious in at a young age. And I do see
3:39that that is a
3:41maybe not so common, but I do see that
3:43as a pattern for people
3:45that have powerful testimonies. They
3:48were very curious spiritually at a young
3:51age. And I we were talking I don't know
3:54how long, but before we started
3:55recording, uh I think you and I can
3:57agree that the spiritual side of that
4:00has the positive, but also the negative
4:02because like if you're expressing the
4:04curiosity at a young age spiritually,
4:07the enemy is listening, watching, and is
4:09preparing interception. And I feel like
4:13not having talked to you face-to-face
4:15about your your testimony that
4:19you kind of fit that description where
4:21your curiosity
4:23and the enemy intercepts you several
4:26times with different attempts of what
4:28you're going to follow, what you're
4:29going to study.
4:30And leads to this like radical moment
4:33where you're faced with the reality of
4:36who Christ is and this transformation.
4:38Uh and so
4:40I would love for you to kind of share
4:42this path that your life has gone
4:44because you have a powerful ministry
4:45now. Uh your YouTube channel has been
4:47around since what? 2009?
4:49So you started like you're literally an
4:51OG with YouTube, right? I mean
4:53>> Yes, sir.
4:54>> There's not a whole lot people that uh
4:55in fact I just saw this morning
4:58when YouTube first started, the guys who
5:01started it were worried that it wasn't
5:03going to take because I guess they had
5:04it up for some period of time and they
5:06only had like 40 videos on the on the
5:08website. What? And so I mean
5:10>> This buys not small beginnings, right?
5:12>> Right, exactly. [laughter]
5:13And so uh you were you were the first
5:16person to create an account on YouTube.
5:18>> [laughter]
5:19>> I'm not quite that old, but
5:20>> But it's revolutionary if you think
5:22about it like back in 2009 to start a
5:24YouTube channel and stuff, everybody
5:25who's doing that saw a future value that
5:27nobody else did.
5:28>> Yes, that's true.
5:29>> You know?
5:30>> Well, you know, for me I just wanted to
5:32you know
5:33I had I knew that I had some experiences
5:35that uh
5:37were mind-blowing to me
5:39and I thought that perhaps they you
5:41know, they may be helpful for other
5:43people to hear and I was just holding on
5:45to them and
5:48through talking to different people
5:49folks made some suggestions that I
5:51should tell some of my stories on
5:53YouTube. And I knew I had these these
5:55crazy ill stories that
5:57sounded like some crazy movie or
5:58something.
5:59>> Yeah.
6:00>> And um I had no way to share those
6:02things and
6:04some of them were burdensome, you know,
6:06some things I felt like I needed to kind
6:08of get off my chest and not just carry
6:10with me.
6:11And so, you know, that was God's way of
6:14uh providing me a
6:16a platform, a release, if you will. Um
6:19and
6:22as far as my uh
6:23my my upbringing, the plan was for me to
6:26be a third-generation warlock.
6:29My father and my grandfather, you know,
6:32most people say that they practiced uh
6:34black craft or they dabbled in this or
6:36dabbled in that.
6:38You don't hear a lot of people talking
6:39about conjuring.
6:40>> Mhm.
6:41>> They were into conjuring, which is the
6:43activity of creating
6:45a sacred geometrical circle, a portal,
6:49stargate,
6:50doorway, and bringing a
6:53being through it.
6:55And they had brought a being through
6:57that was witnessed by my aunt, by my
7:00grandmother.
7:02You know, it was a very simple lady from
7:03Chattanooga, Tennessee.
7:05>> Really?
7:05>> Yes. And um you know, she wasn't the
7:08type of person to make up stories or
7:11whatnot, but even after my grandfather
7:14passed, she would tell, you know, I
7:15would ask because no one would just
7:17volunteer this information, okay?
7:19I would hear
7:20>> Was it secretive?
7:21>> Well,
7:23they would talk amongst themselves and I
7:25would be in grown folks' business.
7:27>> Got you.
7:28>> And so, I would hear different things
7:30and I'd heard the story so many times
7:32and I'd heard, well, you know, yeah,
7:34yeah, you know, Marilyn saw it. Don't
7:35you remember Marilyn saw it and she went
7:36and ran in the closet and said, "That's
7:38that thing with the silver dollar eyes."
7:40And I knew my aunt Marilyn to be, you
7:42know, she's very educated and astute and
7:45upwardly mobile and
7:47uh
7:48you know, uh
7:50worked in corporate America and I knew
7:51her to be a very straight-laced type of
7:53person and so, I knew that she wasn't
7:55going to lie. So, make a long story less
7:57long, one day when I got about 15 or 16,
8:00I
8:01started to feel it myself
8:03and I heard them telling this story that
8:05I would usually just kind of stay out of
8:06and listen to and I decided that day I
8:09was going to butt in.
8:10And I told my father and my grandmother
8:13who were talking about it. My father was
8:14there
8:16at the time in the conjuring. He was a
8:1814-year-old years old.
8:20And my grandfather, his his dad
8:23had
8:24um involved him in the working because
8:26some workings take more than one person.
8:29And so he needed another person.
8:31And that's how my father got involved in
8:32it.
8:33And he would, you know, he was such a
8:36character that he didn't
8:38make it sound like any sort of traumatic
8:40event. They would kind of laugh and joke
8:42amongst themselves. Like for instance,
8:45"Hey mama, you remember when daddy uh
8:47when uh daddy called that thing up and
8:48he didn't know how to get rid of it and
8:50he had to call Mr. Rainey?"
8:52And it's like, "Mhm, yeah."
8:53And so I'm I'm listening this particular
8:55day and I decided to challenge them.
8:58And I said, "I'm tired of y'all telling
8:59this story."
9:00So, you know, I I you know, y'all been
9:02telling this story since I was a little
9:03kid. I said,
9:05"I remember granddaddy mentioning it. I
9:07said, but you keep putting Aunt Marilyn
9:09in this and I know she don't play around
9:12like that. So, I'm going to call Aunt
9:13Marilyn
9:14and ask her so y'all can stop telling
9:15this lie." And my dad was like, "Go call
9:18Marilyn. Ask her. Ask her."
9:20And I called my Aunt Marilyn who was
9:21very
9:23caught off guard by my question.
9:25You know, I was like, you know, "Aunt
9:27Marilyn?" "Yes." "Do you Do you remember
9:30this thing that um
9:31my dad and granddaddy supposedly brought
9:33up through the basement?" And
9:36you saw it and went and ran and hid in
9:37the closet and called it that thing with
9:38the silver dollar eyes. And she very
9:41sheepishly admitted, "Yes."
9:45And that was That was a mind-blowing
9:46moment for me.
9:47>> Yeah.
9:48>> Because at that point in time, you know,
9:50I didn't know what to believe. I
9:51basically didn't believe in anything.
9:54You know, my mother was not a believer.
9:56I wasn't taken to church. I'm not one of
9:57them black folks that was raised up in
9:59the church. Okay? Uh we was we were like
10:02the um
10:04we were more like on the militant side
10:05of things. You know, we're like, "Oh,
10:07you know, that's a trick." And you know,
10:08so so she didn't raise me with any of
10:11that. And then of course my father, he
10:13would get drunk and hit the wall and
10:15say, "I'm a warlock, damn it."
10:17>> Mhm.
10:17>> So, I didn't have any Christianity
10:19really, you know.
10:21My my grandfather, I think
10:23through getting scared about what
10:25happened,
10:26he did start taking us to um
10:29Catholic church of all places. And I
10:31think that's because
10:32a lot of people, even seen in the
10:34movies, Hollywood will associate any
10:37sort of casting out of demons only with
10:40the Catholic church, okay? And there's a
10:42lot of reasons for that, which you know,
10:43we can get into later.
10:44>> Yes, you can.
10:45>> But um
10:46you know, so that was my only
10:49Christianity really and and truly, you
10:50know, outside of sometime my Auntie
10:52Joyce, who was not a Catholic, but
10:54folks called her crazy for being such a
10:56devout believer. So, I was really bathed
11:00in a non-believer's
11:02background.
11:04Um
11:05although I was curious as a child as to
11:07what's up with God and the devil. I
11:09never had no nightmares about Jason and
11:12Freddy, you know, I'm dating myself.
11:15But you know, when I was coming up,
11:16I remember being a kid and walking with
11:18all my cousins to
11:20um
11:21the Mercury movie theater and Northwest
11:23movie theater to watch these horror
11:25movies by myself, you know, with just us
11:27you know, us kids I mean, with no
11:29adults.
11:30And we would laugh.
11:32So, like I never had a sense of being
11:35scared of monsters
11:37or or dreamt about the boogeyman or the
11:39wolfman, but I would dream about the
11:41devil.
11:41>> Mhm.
11:42>> I knew that
11:46I knew that the enemy in my in my
11:48nightmares was the devil. I don't know
11:50who told me that,
11:53but I always knew that.
11:55And um
11:58so I had this curiosity about God and
12:00the devil.
12:02Um
12:03and [clears throat] my mother, who was
12:04you know, she's a very straight-up
12:05person, you know, and I remember being
12:08um
12:09either in first grade or kindergarten
12:11because that's
12:13the age that I would have been at this
12:15particular house where I can see the
12:16house in the kitchen we was in. And I
12:18remember pulling up on the on the
12:20kitchen table to look and see what what
12:22she was cooking up there.
12:24And I it was a can of Red Devil ham up
12:27there and I recognized the devil on the
12:29little logo and I remember I just asked
12:31her,
12:32"Mama, is there such thing as God and
12:35the devil?"
12:36And she had her back turned to the
12:37stove. She was cooking. I remember she
12:38turned around and looked
12:40and she said without skipping a beat,
12:42she said, "I don't know,
12:44but you should try to find out for
12:45yourself."
12:47And I did.
12:49I went
12:50I went looking like you tend to do when
12:53you don't have no Christian background.
12:55I went looking everywhere else but the
12:56Bible.
12:58Um
13:00You know, when I got of a particular
13:01age, I started going in there and
13:03getting my dad's books. You know, he was
13:05all into um Edgar Cayce and Aleister
13:07Crowley and
13:09Madam Blavatsky.
13:11These were names I knew when I was
13:12young.
13:16And um
13:20You know, it's just a trip to go back
13:21through it because it seemed like such a
13:23long time ago,
13:26but it really wasn't.
13:27Um I struggled with Christianity and
13:30with the Bible and whether was real and
13:33the letter J was invented by Giovanni
13:35Giorgio Tristino and
13:37uh that's um
13:38uh uh Cesare Borgia's picture. That's
13:41not Jesus and this is the white man's
13:43religion and he's trying to fool us and
13:45he's taking money from my community and
13:47I went through all of that to where I
13:49end up with the Nation of Islam as my
13:51first spiritual choice.
13:54Um I was very affected by the hip-hop
13:57that was coming out at the time.
13:59Lots of people like to put the golden
14:00era at different eras,
14:03but I was born in the same year that
14:04hip-hop was officially born, 1973.
14:08And I can tell you that the golden era,
14:13properly called, would be a very short
14:15span of time when the lyricism, the
14:18production, and the messaging was all
14:23at its apex.
14:26And the messaging was social
14:27consciousness messaging. Some people say
14:29pro-black rap, some people say knowledge
14:31rap. Cuz it wasn't just all pro-black,
14:34but it was There was a consciousness to
14:36it. Now people say conscious rap, you
14:38know, and it like Common might be the
14:40poster boy for that. But at the time it
14:43wasn't no segment of rap. This is what
14:46rap was. When I graduated, this was the
14:50trend, the fad was to have social
14:53conscience lyrics, to be talking about
14:56something, to speak clearly and properly
14:59as opposed to mumbling. KRS-One had a
15:01very famous line or two talking about
15:04speaking clearly.
15:06You know?
15:07And And so I
15:09um I gravitated toward that, but there
15:12was this one
15:14underlying spiritual theme through it
15:16all. And that was
15:19anti-Christian
15:21theology.
15:22You know, or or anti-Christian
15:24spiritualism. Uh whether you talking
15:26about
15:26>> that back then?
15:27>> Huh?
15:27>> You noticed it back then?
15:28>> I didn't know it to be anti-Christian. I
15:31just thought it was knowledge. And it is
15:32knowledge cuz knowledge can be evil or
15:34good.
15:38And so I gravitated toward knowledge
15:41rap. And so
15:44the greatest knowledge rappers were the
15:46greatest rappers cuz at the time again
15:48it wasn't like a segment. Gangster rap I
15:51remember going to the record store and
15:53gangster rap was on the bottom shelf and
15:55it was about four or five artists. You
15:58know, the Geto Boys like N.W.A., Ice-T.
16:01You could name them.
16:03The majority of everything else was
16:05people wearing red, black, and green and
16:07people trying to pose conscientiously on
16:10their covers. It was a whole different
16:12vibe. That was the golden era.
16:13>> Wow.
16:14>> And I graduated under that. In 1991, I
16:19would dare say, you know, it's
16:20interesting Crazy Bone I think
16:23from Bone Thugs 'n' Harmony talked about
16:24it, but before he talked about it, it
16:27was viral on the internet in the early
16:28days of YouTube that
16:31they had had this meeting supposedly in
16:331991
16:35to put the kibosh on that positive
16:38conscious vibe and to turn things
16:40around, which interestingly enough
16:43at the end of '91 going into '92 is when
16:45you have N.W.A.'s second album,
16:48which a lot of people forget about
16:50because the iconic album is the Straight
16:51Outta Compton album.
16:53But, it was called for Life,
16:56spelled backward, Zaggin
16:58for Efa.
17:01On the on the cover, folks can look it
17:03up right now. Look Look Look up N.W.A.'s
17:05second album without Ice Cube. Ice Cube
17:07had left. Ice Cube went the way of the
17:08consciousness.
17:10He went with Public Enemy.
17:12And this
17:13this album came out and kind of set set
17:16the pace or set the tone, if you will,
17:19for the debauchery and the wickedness
17:22and the evil devilish
17:24styles and subject matters that would
17:28dominate hip-hop for decades to come.
17:31That's the album, if anybody want to
17:33know. Okay?
17:34>> What does it mean? Does it mean anything
17:35written backwards?
17:36>> Well, you know, the devil likes to turn
17:39things backwards. I think it's in Right,
17:41you know, I think it's in Isaiah where
17:43it talks about you're turning up things
17:45upside down will be deemed as the powers
17:47clear or something to that effect. In
17:49other words, it'll be moot. It'll be a
17:51moot point, the fact that you're turning
17:53things upside down and inverting them,
17:55which is a big thing in in witchcraft
17:58because the devil is out to invert your
18:01nature or to turn you backward. So, some
18:04of the things that he does symbolically
18:06or spiritually
18:08he will
18:09also allow to manifest in the physical
18:12realm,
18:13which is where you get, you know,
18:14Crowley's famous teaching about and the
18:16initiate shall learn to talk backward
18:19and write backward and walk backwards,
18:22like the moonwalk, or the backwards
18:23[clears throat] masking
18:25in the certain records. But, um
18:27so, anyway, this this knowledge rap era
18:30prior to 1991, when I graduated Mumford
18:33High School, shout out to Detroit
18:35Mumford.
18:36Um
18:37a Detroit public school product, K
18:39through 12, born and raised in made and
18:42raised in Detroit, Michigan. Was born in
18:44Providence Hospital, so technically that
18:46would be 9 Mile, which is Southfield.
18:49But,
18:50um
18:50so so this
18:52this uh conscious era, this golden era
18:55was the era that shaped a lot of who I
18:58was, and some of who I became.
19:01Um
19:02and and it's the era that made me decide
19:04to go into the Nation of Islam. First, I
19:07remember I remember I told my mama,
19:08"Mama, I think I'm going to be in the
19:10Nation of Islam." And, you know, she did
19:12like she do, and she just looked and
19:14said, "Okay.
19:15You know, be careful." And, I went to
19:17the mosque number one on Fenkell Avenue
19:20in Wyoming for my first time, but I was
19:22influenced by Big Daddy Kane, KRS-One,
19:25uh uh uh what
19:26Big Daddy Kane,
19:28Rakim,
19:29and Kool G Rap, more so. They would
19:33have been considered Islamic rappers.
19:35>> Okay. I don't want to deter, but I just
19:37have to ask for clarification, because
19:38you you you're you're a historian of
19:40his- of hip-hop.
19:42I didn't know KRS-One was a a Muslim
19:45rapper.
19:45>> No. No. That's That's why I had to
19:48change
19:48>> Got you. Okay.
19:49>> and clarify. KRS-One, uh he touted
19:52humanism around this same time. That you
19:56know, he's he he said it out of his
19:57mouth. You know, I'm
19:59100% on that. Uh the album Edutainment
20:03was when he had taken the turn toward
20:05humanism. But, prior to that, he
20:07embraced all of the
20:10uh black militant countercultures kind
20:12of kind of in one. Yeah. But, Big Daddy
20:15Kane professed um
20:17I say peace to the Nation of Islam. Um
20:20and uh make him say, "Daddy, I don't
20:22want none." Rakim professed that he was
20:24probably the the first rapper to say on
20:27record Allah.
20:28>> Mhm.
20:28>> And then Kool G Rap. You know, these
20:30were all guys affiliated with the Five
20:33Percent Nation of Islam, which was an
20:34offshoot of the Nation of Islam. Okay?
20:38And that's where you get your beat boy
20:39stance from.
20:40>> Oh, okay.
20:41>> Which they got it from Freemasonry.
20:44What it ended up being was that that
20:46Five Percent Nation style of of um
20:50of
20:51black Islam
20:53was more
20:55blatantly Freemasonic.
20:57A guy named Clarence 13X
21:00uh branched out from Elijah Muhammad,
21:02who of course started the Nation of
21:03Islam in Detroit as as Elijah Poole.
21:07That's why Mosque number one is in
21:08Detroit.
21:10But um
21:11>> That's the first mosque in the country?
21:12>> Yes, Mosque number one.
21:13>> Wow. Talk about spiritual battlegrounds.
21:15>> Absolutely. Yes, Elijah Muhammad
21:17encountered
21:18a man from the Middle East
21:21uh named Fard Muhammad, who he said was
21:24God in the flesh.
21:26And he gave Elijah Muhammad the mission
21:29to save the lost found
21:32uh
21:33black folks who were supposed to be the
21:34lost tribe of Shabazz. And you know,
21:37there's a whole thing to that, and I
21:39don't want to say it wrong because it's
21:40been many years since I was really being
21:42studious about that, but that's the
21:44basis of it.
21:45And um so this offshoot by Clarence 13X
21:49was more blatantly Freemasonic. And
21:52ironically, it was the more popular
21:56spiritual belief in hip hop during the
21:58golden era. You'll find more Five
22:00Percent rappers that maybe you never
22:02even knew that, you know? But if you
22:04look [clears throat] back and check, um
22:06I'm told what I'm telling you is right
22:07and exact.
22:08Um
22:10So so yes, so that influenced me
22:12greatly. You know, even like saying
22:13right and exact, you know, that's that's
22:15a free that's a Freemasonic term that
22:18got co-opted into the Five Percent
22:20Nation. They got co-opted into hip hop.
22:22>> Mhm.
22:23>> And that's why we say right and exact.
22:25But anyway, uh which is like the B-boy
22:28stance, that comes from the 5% Nation
22:30and that comes from the Freemasonry. So,
22:33by default, we get a lot of things from
22:35Freemasonry that we kind of think of as
22:38hip-hop standards, you know, or
22:40essential things that you have to do in
22:42hip-hop. So, yeah, so I So, I started
22:44off um
22:451991, a palindrome year,
22:48um which I think that was interesting
22:51that, you know,
22:52I think that's when the second NWA album
22:55came out. It It either came out in '91
22:57or '92. I'm betting on '91.
23:01Um
23:02but by 1992, we had
23:05The Chronic.
23:06And The Chronic changed everything. I
23:08know when The Chronic came came out cuz
23:10I was working at the post office and I
23:12bought two albums on Christmas Eve and
23:15it was The Chronic and Sade's album that
23:17dropped on the same day as The Chronic.
23:19Um and that changed
23:22not just the style of production. People
23:24like to say, "Well, yeah, it changed
23:25production." It did change production.
23:27It changed sound quality. The ear that
23:29we have for for sound quality today,
23:32that kind of messes with you when you
23:33try to go back and revisit some of the
23:35older hip-hop. You say, "Well, that's
23:37just not recorded as well." It's because
23:38of Dr. Dre. Dr. Dre
23:41and his team came up with the came up
23:44with the sound quality that we have
23:46today, which was one of the reasons why
23:48everybody loved the album. The other
23:49reason was because it fed so much into
23:51the flesh. It took what the NWA second
23:54album, for Life, had established
23:57and amped it all the way up. Like, you
24:01know,
24:02they tried to make it more fun
24:05on The Chronic album, but
24:08it was all of the seven deadly sins
24:10glorified in one way or another to the
24:13funkiest, most clearest sounding beats
24:16you've ever heard. What better way to
24:18feed it to the masses?
24:19>> Yeah, sweet sweet tooth.
24:21>> Yes, right, exactly. You know, wrapping
24:23wrapping the poison in a delicious
24:25candy.
24:26And that
24:28affected
24:29hip hop period from that point forward.
24:32So, when people say the golden era, to
24:34me
24:35as a older guy I feel like it was done
24:38with by the time The Chronic came out.
24:40>> Wow. See, I when we were talking about
24:42that earlier and stuff, that like I I
24:44said the '80s but I like my era was the
24:46'90s and that's what I remember so much
24:49and and like I I I
24:52I I I know like it's going to be easy
24:54for me to divert off into a history of
24:56hip hop because it's just something that
24:57like I don't get a chance to talk to a
24:59whole lot, but I don't want to make it
25:00all about that, but I do want to say
25:02that growing up in the '90s cuz I was
25:05born in '85, so in '91 I was 6, you
25:07know.
25:08Um
25:09growing up in the '90s
25:11and what I was hearing and what you're
25:14laying out is making so much sense for
25:16what I saw around me in the culture of
25:19the guys I was growing up in and um
25:23maybe some other time I I don't know if
25:25it's a long story or not, but like I I
25:27always felt like there was a shift in
25:29the culture again
25:31when Jay-Z started hitting.
25:34>> I I yeah, I would agree.
25:36See See, hindsight is 20/20.
25:39And
25:40compared to
25:44compared to some of the things that
25:45we've seen in hip hop
25:47like in the
25:49maybe like in the in the Young Thug era
25:51of hip hop.
25:53You know, where you see a guy that's
25:55supposed to be a gangster they're
25:56wearing a wedding dress, you know.
25:59When you compare
26:01then yeah, the '90s was better.
26:04But
26:05if you know the '80s, then you know that
26:07the '80s you know you know, the late
26:09'80s were really probably the the the
26:11purest time, I mean, as pure as
26:13something worldly can be. As pure as
26:15something worldly and without the Holy
26:17Spirit can be.
26:19Um which meant that it was destined to
26:21fail or to be tainted one way or the
26:23other. It was devoid of the Holy Spirit.
26:25Um it hip hop has always been
26:29Uh uh
26:31that's a little broad.
26:32The spirit of hip-hop
26:36has an anti-Christian component and it
26:39has had that for a long time. I think
26:41that anti-Christian spirit has only
26:43gotten stronger over the years as the
26:47moral fabric of the music has degraded.
26:50>> Mhm.
26:52Absolutely.
26:52>> You know. And so but but yeah, you know,
26:55comparatively you can look at you know,
26:57I can't stand Jay-Z. I never liked
26:59Jay-Z, but
27:01I can look at Jay-Z
27:04in comparison to say a um
27:07Kodak Black
27:09and I can see you know, I somebody say
27:10well yeah, those was the good old days
27:12of Jay-Z. But then if I compare Jay-Z
27:15to say Public Enemy
27:18>> Okay.
27:19>> Yeah.
27:19>> So you know, so that's what that's what
27:20happens sometimes
27:22once we talk about hip-hop, but
27:24but you know, that that greatly shaped
27:26me and it shaped
27:28my decision-making.
27:30Um I had a full academic scholarship.
27:34Um as a black boy
27:37from
27:38the murder capital at the time of
27:40Detroit
27:42a desolate place known to all to be a
27:45desolate place.
27:47Um [clears throat]
27:52I really dropped the ball.
27:55And I guess if I have regrets, but but
27:58you know, you have to have regrets
27:59because everything happens the way God
28:00meant for it to happen, but if I have
28:02any regrets, I wish that I had not have
28:04dropped out of school. Cuz I had a full
28:06academic ride. I could have went to UVM
28:08or MSU, anything. But I was so
28:10hip-hopped out in my mind.
28:12>> Mhm.
28:13>> So gone that I was like
28:16you know,
28:17I'mma do everything in Detroit. I'mma
28:18stay in Detroit. I'mma go to the
28:20University of Detroit. I'mma teach at
28:21the Detroit public school. That was my
28:24plan B, really and truly. My plan A was
28:27the one to make it in the music
28:28business,
28:29you know.
28:30And so um
28:32eventually, you know, you can't serve
28:33two masters. You know, one's going to
28:35win over the other.
28:37And
28:38>> [clears throat]
28:38>> um as I began to
28:41get more into the studio and I had more
28:43freedom, I'm out of school, I can stay
28:44up and you know, be at the studio all
28:46night long. Jerry Flynn, Death Sound
28:48Studio, Detroit. He allowed for me
28:52and for a few other guys to have free
28:53reign. You know, we could come in at any
28:55given time. And like because we were the
28:58young blood and we were kind of showing
29:00him
29:01in a way as a older school guy from the
29:03Run-DMC era, we're just kind of showing
29:05him the the new school at the time, you
29:07know.
29:08And so, he was fine with us coming in
29:11because he he learned from us as we was
29:12learning from him.
29:15And so, I spent time in the studio that
29:17I should have spent time studying and
29:19it resulted in me dropping out after my
29:21first
29:22year
29:23or two.
29:25Um
29:26and so, I never fulfilled my dream to go
29:27back and teach at Detroit public high
29:29schools, but
29:31my sister did and um
29:34so, I kind of live vicariously through
29:35her in that
29:36in that fact. But so, yeah, so that was
29:38my path and so, that path spun me off
29:42into
29:45everything dark.
29:47Because um again, when you don't have
29:50the light of Christ and you're not
29:51operating in the spirit of truth,
29:54what are you going to be operating in?
29:56You're going to be operating in the
29:57darkness of the Antichrist and you're
29:59going to be operating in the spirit of
30:00the father of lies.
30:02And so, I got more and more into uh
30:06fornication, drinking 40 oz every day,
30:09smoking big fat blunts of weed every
30:11day,
30:12um
30:14cussing like a sailor,
30:15uh although my
30:18my particular
30:20background from hip-hop
30:22made it where I knew of a rap before
30:25gangster rap. Some people don't know of
30:26a rap before gangster rap. So, I wasn't
30:28trying to make gangster rap per se, you
30:30know, I'm from Detroit. I you know, I I
30:32didn't feel no need to try to
30:34uh I myself as some gangster, you know,
30:37uh but um
30:40a lot of a lot of folks who came down to
30:43the studio that I end up recording, you
30:44know, they were
30:46increasingly becoming more and more like
30:48N.W.A.
30:50increasingly copying the gangster rap
30:53format and and style.
30:55And so I so subsequently, you know, you
30:58end up recording a lot of that stuff and
31:00then you know, it it'll have an effect
31:02on you.
31:02>> Mhm.
31:03>> And and you know, sometimes you make
31:05friends with some of the clients that
31:06come down and you know, they're bringing
31:07you weed and bringing you liquor and
31:09they're having liquor on on their
31:11sessions. So, it was a very debaucherous
31:13atmosphere, you know, bringing girls
31:15down there and at that time
31:17uh
31:18this is pre-TLC scrubs.
31:21At that time, if you had a decent
31:23mouthpiece about yourself, you know, you
31:25could get into all kind of troubles with
31:26girls.
31:27And then you're in a studio at that.
31:30And so, that became my my focus and it
31:33took me off my focus, you know, it it
31:35was a lack of focus.
31:37And I, you know, just to speed the story
31:40up, I went down through there
31:43until I hit the bottom.
31:45And
31:46for me, hitting the bottom was
31:49um
31:51a combination of things, but one of the
31:52main things was hearing that this thing
31:55that I spent so much time and effort
31:58working on trying to be a part of was
32:01not what I thought that it was.
32:04And for that, I have to give
32:07all credit and glory and honor
32:10to the Father in heaven.
32:13But he used some vessels and one of the
32:15vessels that he used was a Detroit
32:17rapper named Proof.
32:19Now, Proof
32:22and myself and Baatin from Slum Village,
32:25a lot of guys, we had this background in
32:28like the
32:30conscious rap
32:31thing. [snorts] Proof had it also.
32:33That's why when you see Mekhi Phifer's
32:35portrayal of Proof in the 8 Mile movie,
32:37he's got these big dumb dreads. Because,
32:40you know, that's what Proof had. He had
32:42those big locks. It was part of his
32:44identity, part of his awakening to his
32:46knowledge of self, you know, who who he
32:48was culturally.
32:50Which is why for some people it was a
32:52big
32:53step or a sign that he had given up
32:56something that meant a lot to him when
32:59he cut them off
33:01to become a member of D12.
33:03But Proof was the man in Detroit.
33:06Like, if you were a member
33:09of our little small hip-hop community
33:11of any status, you knew Proof.
33:14And, you know, because of my connection
33:16to the studio and because I knew a lot
33:18of different people who had
33:20the long history that I had, and I knew
33:23all the right people, you know, I was
33:25always in the place to be. And you know,
33:27I knew him and he knew me. Mhm. You
33:29know, we had conversations on the phone
33:30about uh Dr. York, this
33:33metaphysical teacher that was um very
33:36influential on hip-hop in the '90s.
33:38>> Really?
33:39>> Yeah. Oh, yeah.
33:40>> So, we're talking about like the occult
33:42influence in hip-hop in the '90s was
33:45deep-rooted then.
33:47>> Mhm. Absolutely.
33:47>> This was not something that like was a
33:49flash in the pan. Like like you're
33:52you're painting a picture that the enemy
33:53was
33:54rooting himself in an up-and-coming
33:57genre of music for future payoff on
33:59future generations.
34:01>> Absolutely. [clears throat]
34:02Yeah, you know, the the devil is uh
34:05a crafty planner.
34:07And he plans ahead.
34:09And I think that a lot of the seeds that
34:11he sowed, well, some of the things that
34:13we look back at the golden era or the
34:15conscious era, and we we applaud,
34:19the devil applauded too.
34:20>> Mhm.
34:21>> Because he understood, just like giving
34:23the forbidden fruit
34:25to Eve,
34:27he understood how knowledge puffeth up.
34:30And this knowledge rap craze was only
34:33going to help us to make idols of
34:34ourselves.
34:36And we didn't see that at the time, you
34:38know.
34:39Um
34:40but that's what he ended up doing. He He
34:42sold seeds through that time period
34:45where
34:47now, you know, uh
34:49if you're talking about knowledge rap or
34:51conscious rap, you're not talking about
34:53Christian rap. You know, when, you know,
34:57the beginning of knowledge is the fear
34:58of God.
34:59So, he
35:01allowed for us to deify ourselves
35:04through our intelligence,
35:06how well we can put the lyrics together,
35:08how good is our word play.
35:10The That's That's an exercise in pride.
35:15And, you know, so hip-hop was a good
35:18vessel for the enemy to use to
35:21sow seeds of Gnosticism
35:24into young black boys who and and
35:26eventually folks who listen to what they
35:28listen to,
35:29um all of young America, eventually,
35:31[clears throat]
35:32but to sow it into a people who probably
35:35wouldn't get those messages
35:38otherwise, as quickly. Mhm.
35:39[clears throat]
35:40You know,
35:41you know, every young guy didn't have a
35:44dad that had Crowley and Edgar Cayce and
35:47Blavatsky in his library, you know.
35:50[laughter]
35:51So, if the devil wanted to get us on
35:52that page,
35:54this was the way that he did it, you
35:56know.
35:57>> And to think, like
36:00the craftiness here,
36:02where
36:03>> [clears throat]
36:04>> you as an individual
36:06are deep rooted
36:08in a culture that's coming up
36:12and
36:14your own family lineage comes from
36:18serving the darkness and Satan. You said
36:21that you were supposed to be the third
36:22generation warlock. Like it it it was
36:26like the the the moves were being set,
36:28the chess pieces were being set, and and
36:30you were a piece on the table that
36:33who knows what kind of plan he had had
36:37if your life had not changed. It's
36:40incredible the way I I'm just I'm really
36:42kind of taken back right now, the way
36:44you're painting the the the the the
36:46roots of the the culture
36:48and how you were part of that
36:51and knowing what your own personal
36:52family lineage was
36:55it was like things were being situated
36:56and that should only be something where
37:01all glory goes to the Lord for coming in
37:03scooping you up and making you and
37:07honestly man like it's like it's like
37:09the the the Saul to Paul moment like
37:11like you were being trained to be a like
37:15not just a piece a weapon
37:17of Satan.
37:18>> That's right.
37:19>> And he met you
37:21and flipped you
37:23and said no no no we're going to take
37:25what what my enemies number one weapon
37:28of choice is and now he's mine. He's
37:30going to work on my team.
37:32It it's it's I'm not I don't want to
37:34jump too far ahead but I'm just kind of
37:35taken back by the logistics of how
37:38you're painting this picture of the
37:40industry the roots of the satanic
37:42origins in the industry and how in your
37:45personal life
37:46that was there. It wasn't like you were
37:47just some some guy that didn't have any
37:50spiritual background or or maybe you
37:52become from a Christian family like your
37:54roots
37:55were this and it just seems like it was
37:57supposed to seamlessly just go like
37:58this.
37:59>> Absolutely.
38:00>> Wow.
38:02>> You know and you know I'm I'm taken
38:03aback by it too because like it's
38:06nothing that I could have came up with.
38:08I'm not that smart. You know I was goofy
38:11enough
38:12to be walking right into the web
38:15willfully.
38:16You know I wanted to be in the devil's
38:18system what we call the music industry.
38:20It's it's his system. God makes music
38:23but he didn't make the music industry.
38:26So if you want to be
38:28tops in that if you want to be accepted
38:30initiated into that then you have to
38:32serve the master of the industry the one
38:35that created it.
38:37And I was well on my way.
38:39Uh but by the grace of God he allowed
38:41for certain folks to go before me like a
38:44like
38:45Proof and others.
38:48But what Proof did was he
38:51and you know, it might be controversial
38:53to some people to say this,
38:55but in my opinion,
38:57he shared with folks that he knew was on
38:59that conscious side of things
39:02what he had discovered.
39:04And he shared it by telling us about the
39:0713th floor ritual.
39:10He also shared it
39:12by um
39:14attempting to produce a movie called The
39:17Devil Made Me Do It, which he
39:20uh he was gunned down
39:23on 8 Mile
39:25>> Mhm.
39:26>> before he was able to complete that
39:28movie. It was him and a guy named
39:29Dogmatic, used to be called K-Stone.
39:32K-Stone also went to Detroit Mumford.
39:34But you so you know, in
39:36and let me say this, too. The the the
39:39Detroit hip-hop community at that time,
39:42it was small and tight-knit. We all knew
39:44each other, you know. If you were part
39:47of that community, you knew DJ Dez, you
39:49knew Proof, you know, you knew DJ Los,
39:52you knew certain people, you know.
39:55These was not just my friends, these
39:58were my contemporaries, you know, these
39:59were people that grew up in the same
40:01neighborhood I grew up in. Folks you'll
40:02see at the store or you know. So,
40:06um
40:08yeah, you know, by
40:11the grace of God,
40:13the information was shared that I think
40:17cost him his life,
40:20you know, and may have saved
40:24mine
40:26and some other people's, you know. He
40:28didn't just tell me.
40:29He told He told some folks, and it's
40:31interesting to me that as long as
40:33YouTube has been out, ain't nobody else,
40:35and I know some of the people that he
40:36told is on YouTube. I've seen them.
40:40But I ain't see nobody else admit this.
40:44You know.
40:45For whatever reason.
40:47Some folks might feel like might
40:50damage some future hopes that they still
40:52have in they in they long toothed old
40:54big age
40:56of becoming a part of that business, you
40:58know.
40:59Um
41:01but for me
41:03it was
41:04eye opening it was devastating
41:08This is someone I love. It's It's like
41:10somebody telling you that the girl that
41:11you love ain't what you thought you was.
41:16And
41:18as much as I didn't have a
41:21Christian background and upbringing I
41:23did have this understanding that it was
41:25a God and a devil
41:27and I knew that I didn't want to be on
41:28the devil's side.
41:31And
41:32from things that I had been reading, you
41:34know,
41:35uh
41:36in the 12th grade a friend of mine
41:39Angie Bill, I'll never forget her. She
41:41brought to class this book called Behold
41:43a Pale Horse and she said her mama's
41:45church was reading this book.
41:48>> [laughter]
41:48>> What? The church? Wow.
41:51>> church it was reading that book.
41:53And like she brought it because we was
41:55having a conversation about Public Enemy
41:57or something along that line, some kind
41:59of red, black, and green conversation
42:01and about conspiracies in the
42:03government. And so she she brought that
42:06book to class to show me and tell me
42:07about it and I remember
42:09I remember
42:11reading enough of it in class to want to
42:13borrow it.
42:14And she was like, well, you know, I I I
42:15don't know, you know, that's my mama's
42:17book, blah blah blah. And I remember
42:18going to her house with her and asking
42:20her mama could I borrow that book and
42:22her mama let me borrow that book.
42:24And that started me on a truthful path.
42:26So I say that to say that by the time I
42:28got the information about the 13th floor
42:31I'm putting two and two together.
42:33I'm understanding, okay, that's part of
42:35the conspiracy, too. This thing that I
42:37love
42:38this thing I thought was based on your
42:39talent, I thought you make it in this
42:41thing if you good at it.
42:43So now it don't matter that you good at
42:45it.
42:46Like that blew my mind.
42:49Like you know
42:51you spend so much time, especially
42:52during the golden era when like you
42:53weren't supposed to bite and you were
42:55supposed to be original, you were
42:56supposed to be fresh. Like you spend so
42:58much time crafting that and being that,
43:00just to find out it's for it's for this?
43:03>> Mhm.
43:04>> And
43:04>> [clears throat]
43:05>> I'm not the type of person that likes to
43:06be tricked. I just don't you know, I
43:08hate to be fooled.
43:10And I felt like I had been fooled. And I
43:13remember the day when I was
43:15sitting there uh
43:17what they say?
43:19Processing all of this, you know, like
43:21to say today. I was sitting there
43:22processing all of this and I had this
43:24bag of tapes.
43:25It's full of tapes of beats I made,
43:28samples I was going to sample, demos I
43:30had made. It was a big fat grocery bag
43:33of tapes and I I remember just looking
43:34at it like all this money that I spent,
43:37all this time that I wasted and tears
43:39just started to flow.
43:41Like you know,
43:43uh
43:44I'll be moved to tears if something is
43:46moving or touching or
43:49if I'm very angry.
43:51>> Mhm.
43:51>> And I remember just being very angry at
43:53myself.
43:57Like damn, man, you messed up your
43:59scholarship and everything for this?
44:01And it's not even what you thought it
44:02was.
44:03>> Yeah.
44:05>> And so uh
44:06from that point forward I started to
44:10wake up.
44:12That was the that was a point in my
44:14waking up. I still had more time before
44:17I knew that the Lord was real.
44:18>> Let's not gloss over the point though. I
44:20mean, you said the 13th floor ritual. Um
44:22I think there's probably a a good amount
44:24of people that have no idea what you're
44:26talking about.
44:27>> Well, you know, I uh
44:29Shout out to Julie from Touching the
44:30Afterlife. I I I thank her for putting
44:33me on because that
44:34>> Yeah.
44:34>> you know, brought me to your attention
44:36and to to some other folks. Well, I I
44:38kind of told the story on there, but
44:39I'll but I'll tell it again as I as I
44:41noticed it on that graphic there,
44:44the 13 is missing.
44:46>> Mhm.
44:47>> And um
44:49you know, Tik Tok is a cancer.
44:52>> Say that again.
44:53>> Because you have these folks who
44:56don't have any background in the occult.
44:58They don't study, they don't read, they
45:00don't know what Behold a Pale Horse is.
45:03But yet they'll Google something or
45:05they'll ask AI, even worse.
45:07And they'll get a little short summary
45:09of some conspiracy, {quote} {unquote},
45:12or some truth or subject, better said.
45:15And they'll give you this
45:18abbreviated uh
45:20CliffNotes version of it. That's whack.
45:23And a lot of times wrong.
45:25>> Mhm.
45:27>> I learned
45:28things the hard way.
45:30And you know, you don't got to always
45:31learn things the hard way. But those are
45:33the lessons to me that stick.
45:36The 13th floor
45:38is missing from
45:41I'm not going to say from I'm not going
45:43to sit here and say on every skyscraper
45:46that it's missing on this is the case.
45:49But you go to some of them Gothic
45:50buildings in your downtown area. You
45:52from Philly.
45:53>> Mhm.
45:53>> Folks listening from LA,
45:55Chicago, Atlanta, Detroit.
46:00You look around downtown. There's
46:02something about downtown, and especially
46:04your Times Square downtown. And we know
46:06what the something is. We may get to the
46:08something or not. But it has to do with
46:10the Masonic square.
46:12But in your square downtown, you will
46:16invariably find these
46:19tall skyscrapers, these tall buildings,
46:24where when you get on the They're
46:25They're old. They have got Gothic
46:27architecture. A lot of times you'll find
46:29the Gremlins or
46:31uh
46:32uh uh odd scary faces etched into the
46:35stone, and you wonder like, "What do you
46:36know, what was the point of that?"
46:38But those are the demons
46:39They They bind spirits to statues, and
46:43we'll get to that too, hopefully,
46:45because I got a good story about that
46:47that I didn't tell on the Touching the
46:49Afterlife, about statues.
46:51But they'll bind
46:54um demon spirits to statues,
46:57dedicate the buildings to demon spirits.
47:01And also, not just dedicate the
47:03building, but dedicate a floor
47:05to the worship of Lucifer. A set-aside
47:08floor.
47:09A set-aside floor where they'll do the
47:12what uh uh
47:13the uh researcher John Todd called the
47:17uh temple room ritual,
47:20where they take your master tape. And
47:21this is what Proof Proof told us that
47:23that he went through this.
47:25That he got on the elevator. That
47:29they rolled the elevator up past the
47:3012th floor.
47:32And the gatekeeper that was with them,
47:34I've said before, manager,
47:37I don't know that it was his manager.
47:39But whoever it was that had invited them
47:41to this meeting, okay?
47:44All of the members of D12, according to
47:46him.
47:48And
47:50in between the 12th and the 14th floor,
47:52there's a floor there. But you have to
47:54turn the key to stop the elevator in
47:56between them in between the floors. In
47:58this particular case,
48:00they stopped the elevator in between the
48:01two floors, and the doors opened up, and
48:03it's a floor there.
48:04He said he went down a long hall.
48:07It was a big conference room doors at
48:09the end of the hall, opened up the
48:10conference room doors, and it's a big
48:13conference room with a big long
48:14conference room table in there.
48:16And their master tape was sitting in the
48:18center
48:20of a pentagram drawn on the table. At
48:22the point of each pentagram is a candle.
48:25And there's a guy already in there.
48:27I I'll never forget this story.
48:29And the guy
48:31is introduced to them by their handler
48:34gatekeeper, whoever's leading them to
48:36this meeting,
48:37is introduced to to them as
48:41a spiritual guide or minister.
48:45And again, John Todd also talked about
48:47the same thing. It It is really ironic
48:50that like
48:51or not ironic, it's it's a move of God
48:53that around the same time Proof was
48:55telling this story, I I came across the
48:58John Todd tapes.
49:00So like God gave me a confirmation right
49:02behind a crazy story that your crazy
49:04friend told you, right?
49:06>> Yeah. When those tapes came out, what,
49:07the '70s or '80s?
49:08>> Yes, the '70s.
49:09>> '70s.
49:11>> Um
49:13and John Todd would have been the guy,
49:16the minister the spiritual advice. He
49:18said that was his role. His role was to
49:20be the guy in the room waiting for the
49:22group to lead them into prayer over
49:25their master tape. And the spirit will
49:27is
49:29uh we want to give you guys the greatest
49:32opportunity possible to sell the most
49:33records possible. We've tried this with
49:36such and such a group and with such and
49:37such an artist. And this singer and that
49:40and let me tell you their sales went up
49:4185%. It's something that a lot of people
49:44do. People don't talk about it, but if
49:46you guys do it, I guarantee you it's
49:48going to boost your sales. And all you
49:50have to do is join hands. So, the
49:51minister's going to lead you in prayer
49:53and
49:54we're going to ask for the spirits
49:57to bind themselves to the tape and then
50:00to be released when the listener
50:01listens, to bind themselves to the
50:03listener so that the listener is
50:06joined to you in a special way.
50:08>> Mhm.
50:09>> [clears throat]
50:09>> And
50:12Proof having a background in
50:16conscious rap and spirituality and Islam
50:21saw the
50:22demonic aspect of that.
50:24>> Mhm.
50:25>> And he left. He turned around and left.
50:28He called one of our
50:30contemporaries
50:35and told him that he was done and he was
50:37coming home.
50:38That he was done with it. He was
50:39through.
50:41But that didn't happen.
50:43You know, once you have your foot in
50:45that doorway
50:47especially after you fought hard to get
50:49your foot in that doorway
50:50>> It's hard to walk away.
50:51>> It's hard to walk away.
50:54And you know, we can say with hindsight
50:56and being 20/20, we can say he should
50:58have, you know, maybe he'd be here now.
51:00But
51:02um
51:04a lot of people also feel like once
51:07once the secret of the business, once
51:10the songwriter's secret has been
51:11revealed,
51:14some people feel like they can play with
51:15it.
51:17You know, some people have altruistic
51:19intentions and motives and they say,
51:22"Well, you know what? If this is where
51:23the power is, I can take
51:25You know, a lot of people believe that
51:26Bill Cosby did that and
51:28different people have
51:30been accused of joining the group or
51:32being a part of the group, the
51:34brotherhood, by any
51:36of its names, in order to try to bring
51:39something back to their people, you
51:41know. [clears throat] That's what a lot
51:42of
51:44uh black fraternities and sororities
51:46operate under the delusion of,
51:49you know, to this day.
51:50That, you know,
51:51well, [snorts] you know, we had to start
51:53these things because we didn't have
51:54access to this blah blah blah.
51:56So, it's the it's that same kind of
51:58feeling that a lot of folks get when
51:59they
52:00discover the Luciferian end of the
52:02business.
52:03Some people say, "Okay, I'm done, you
52:05know, I think the wiser people say,
52:08"Okay, I'm done with it. I don't want no
52:09part of it. I'm okay. All the all the
52:12investment I made is a loss. I'll take
52:14that loss and walk away with my life."
52:17Other people say,
52:19"Oh, okay, this is what it is."
52:22And depending on how much they rely on
52:25their intellect, how prideful they may
52:27be in their thinking,
52:30how prideful they may be about other
52:31things. You know, they they may say,
52:33"Well, you know what? Okay, I can
52:35navigate through this. I can feed my
52:37family. I can I can set up some
52:39businesses. I can build some schools in
52:40my neighborhood."
52:41>> [clears throat]
52:42>> You can't never do that.
52:44The devil's not ever going to let you
52:47make what he intended for evil
52:53to be anything other than that.
52:55Um
52:58you can't give place to the devil. I
53:00know we like to say,
53:02and I've said it, but it it it's a
53:04difference when we say you know, what
53:06the what the enemy made for for for bad,
53:08God will turn around for the good.
53:09That's a old church expression.
53:11And there's a lot of ways where that
53:13applies, but there's some ways where it
53:15does not.
53:17There's some things that you just you
53:19know, you cannot touch. They're
53:20forbidden.
53:22You know, we find it all throughout the
53:23Old Testament.
53:25You know?
53:26So, um
53:27>> Even New Testament, like Christ himself
53:29when they when [clears throat] they're
53:30accusing him of being possessed by
53:32Satan, he's like, "How can Satan cast
53:34out Satan?"
53:35And it's like some some things is Satan
53:38inherent.
53:38>> That's right.
53:39>> And you can't take Satan out of it.
53:41>> And that's that.
53:41>> And I'm not him.
53:42>> That's right.
53:45So, yeah. So, you know, so that that
53:47that started my journey into
53:51that confirmed for me the darkness and
53:54the power of the devil.
53:56And for some hard-headed, foolish, goofy
53:59goobers like I was,
54:01that's what it takes.
54:03I've seen many people professing Christ
54:06and the goodness of the Lord and the
54:08goodness of the good book,
54:10and all that just looked weak to me.
54:12It looked like weakness.
54:16It never turned me
54:18to hear good testimonies and things, you
54:20know? I have a heart, you know? I care
54:22about people, so I would hear good
54:23stories about Christians and I would
54:25say, "Oh, that's nice." Then I hear good
54:27stories about Muslims. That's okay.
54:29That's nice, too.
54:31But it wasn't until I heard these things
54:33about the enemy.
54:36It wasn't until
54:37I felt confirmed that the devil is real.
54:40You know, you had this story that that
54:42that's going around on my father's side
54:44about the conjuring of this thing that
54:45they couldn't get rid of, too, by the
54:47way. They had to call in some help to
54:49get rid of the thing.
54:51Then my father told me about how the
54:52witchcraft books lie to you, and they'll
54:55tell you to stand inside
54:57kind of like in that image there. They
54:59tell you to stand inside of the sacred
55:02circle, the portal, the stargate.
55:05When you know,
55:07and they call it the the circle of
55:09protection. There's a movie starring
55:11Christopher Lee
55:13>> [laughter]
55:13>> where like all throughout the movie he's
55:15gathering up people inside the circle of
55:17protection to protect them from the
55:18demonic forces called The Devil Rides
55:20Out.
55:22And even if you look at
55:25Faust
55:26um
55:27the old cover for
55:30uh
55:33for the Faust book
55:35um
55:36you'll see the image of Faust standing
55:40inside of the circle and the demon
55:41standing outside. Well, my father told
55:43me he was like, "That's a trick bag,
55:45son." He said that's He said that's the
55:47way that witches who wrote the book pay
55:52demons new souls.
55:55Because when they recruit new people
55:57into witchcraft and they get a dummy to
55:59stand inside the circle He said to him
56:00and granddaddy he stood in the circle at
56:02first.
56:03And
56:04>> [snorts]
56:04>> it said when the thing came up,
56:06granddaddy bolted and ran up the stair
56:08ran not all the way he ran halfway up
56:10the stairs and so he could peek down
56:12there and see what was going on. And my
56:13daddy stayed standing there saying and
56:16doing what he was supposed to say and do
56:17according to the ritual.
56:20And that traumatized him.
56:21You know,
56:23cuz he felt like that at the illest
56:24moment ever his father abandoned him.
56:28>> [clears throat]
56:28>> So, you know, they they were never quite
56:30good after that. But but yeah, so you
56:32know, so you had all these things going
56:33on.
56:33>> So, this thing manifested in front of
56:35your dad while he's doing the ritual in
56:36the circle?
56:37>> He said he said popped it right next to
56:39him. Wow.
56:40>> I said that's scarring.
56:42>> I said what it look like?
56:44He said it was
56:46jet black. It's like the blackest of
56:48black.
56:49He said it looked kind of like a dog,
56:51but it had a
56:52like the shape of his face was like a
56:53man.
56:55And it said it talked to me straight
56:56into my mind. I said what did it say
56:58then? He said
57:01Well, you know, it asked me it said uh
57:05It said, "Can I Can I view your
57:07domicile?"
57:08You have to give it permission to come
57:10out the circle.
57:11See, it's supposed to pop up in the
57:13circle. That's a doorway.
57:14>> Mhm.
57:15>> So, anytime the witchcraft books tell
57:17you to stand in that or you watching the
57:19the the Devil Rides Out and they showing
57:21you the standing in that in
57:23in the Skeleton Key movie. Getting
57:25inside the circle is supposed to protect
57:26you. Lots of movies show that.
57:29That show you how much the devil cares
57:31about people that want to practice his
57:32magic.
57:33>> Mhm.
57:33>> Right? He'll jam you up and put you
57:35right in the doorway.
57:36>> An offering.
57:36>> That's right. It's an offering.
57:38>> Mhm.
57:40>> And
57:41so, my father gave it permission in his
57:43head.
57:45And it then it then it left the circle
57:47and went walking up up the stairs. And
57:49that's when my auntie saw it. Who was if
57:52my daddy was 14, I think they was at
57:54least
57:56seven years apart.
57:58So, she was a little girl. She saw it
58:00and said, "Ah, it's that thing with the
58:02What What she went and ran and hid in
58:03the closet."
58:04And later on, she called it that thing
58:06with the silver dollar eyes cuz I guess
58:08it had big big round eyes.
58:12So, yeah. So, but but yeah. So, you
58:13know,
58:15seeing that it was a dark side and that
58:17the dark side was real.
58:20That's what
58:21That's what helped me to to to finally
58:25be able to receive that the light side
58:27was real.
58:29Cuz seeing all of this power on the dark
58:31side
58:34and believing that there is a God and a
58:36devil as I did. Even through all my
58:39metaphysical readings and
58:41Egyptology and all the stuff I got into
58:44after the Nation of Islam. I got into a
58:45lot of stuff cuz I felt like the Nation
58:47of Islam wasn't deep enough. So, when I
58:49got into all kind of stuff.
58:51Metaphysics and whatnot.
58:55But,
58:56once I saw that there was power, then I
58:58said, "Okay, it's got to be power on the
58:59other side, too."
59:02You know.
59:02>> Mhm.
59:03>> [clears throat]
59:04>> I didn't find that power until
59:08I had the experience with the um
59:11spirit coming out of somebody over the
59:13phone.
59:15And that's when I saw in practical
59:17application that what they say about the
59:20name of Jesus is a lie. We've been lied
59:24to about the letter J. Like we was lied
59:27to about who discovered America. We was
59:29lied to about the moon landings. Those
59:31are official words that authorities and
59:34scholars all will tell you are true.
59:38Just like authorities and scholars will
59:39tell you that Gian Giorgio Trissino
59:42uh discovered How you going to discover
59:44a sound that existed before you were
59:46here?
59:48But Gian Giorgio Trissino discovered the
59:50letter J in 1400 and whatever.
59:53And folks are hanging their hat on that.
59:55They said, "Well, his name couldn't be
59:56Jesus because Gian Giorgio Trissino
59:59And like
1:00:00they took it off since people started
1:00:03talking about it.
1:00:05But I had brought it to people's
1:00:06attention that if you pull up Gian
1:00:08Giorgio Trissino on Wikipedia
1:00:12his little official Wikipedia picture
1:00:15was a
1:00:16double-headed eagle.
1:00:19You know, like that's part of his seal.
1:00:22So, part of his identity was
1:00:24Freemasonry.
1:00:25They are
1:00:27the secret keepers. By definition, a
1:00:30secret keeper has a spirit of deception.
1:00:34And has incentive to lie to the masses
1:00:38because the brotherhood may have
1:00:39ordained you or put you in a particular
1:00:41position to tell a particular lie based
1:00:44on your acumen.
1:00:46And he was a poet. So, he was a man of
1:00:48words, a scholar with words.
1:00:51So, to give him the accolade of
1:00:53discovering a sound that existed prior
1:00:56to him
1:00:58is like giving Christopher Columbus the
1:01:00accolade of discovering a land that
1:01:03>> [laughter]
1:01:04>> existed prior to him and that was
1:01:06discovered before he got there.
1:01:08But, you know, some people believe both,
1:01:10I guess.
1:01:12But uh um I probably would still have
1:01:15questions with that because of the
1:01:16Yeshua,
1:01:17Yashua, Yehoshua, Yahawashi movement.
1:01:23In the divine name movement, there's no
1:01:25agreement even.
1:01:27Where's the Ruach Hakodesh?
1:01:29>> Mhm.
1:01:30>> The spirit of truth to tell y'all which
1:01:31one of them it is.
1:01:32>> Mhm.
1:01:34>> Where's the the healings and the
1:01:36deliverances and the casting out of
1:01:37demons in those names? Folks that get
1:01:39into the divine name movement, that's
1:01:40all they be about.
1:01:43>> They lost the plot.
1:01:44>> The [clears throat] Yeah, right. They
1:01:46lose the plot and and the focus becomes
1:01:48knowledge.
1:01:50>> It's a form of gnosticism.
1:01:52>> I know something that you don't and
1:01:54therefore I am closer to God than you
1:01:56are.
1:01:56>> Wow.
1:01:58That's Yeah.
1:01:59>> When a old grandma on the east side of
1:02:01Detroit ain't ain't ain't know nothing
1:02:03but Jesus
1:02:05and might not even say it right.
1:02:08So, you know, so what matters to God
1:02:10versus what matters to men?
1:02:12>> Mhm.
1:02:13>> If you say, "Well, I want to call him by
1:02:15his right name." Well,
1:02:18we can we should be able to admit that
1:02:21we weren't there.
1:02:23But demons were.
1:02:26Demons don't respond
1:02:28to Yeshua,
1:02:30Yashua, Yahawashi,
1:02:33Yahawasha, or any of the other versions
1:02:36of the name of Christ. But when you say
1:02:39the name of Jesus,
1:02:42when you pray in the authority of the
1:02:44name of the Lord and Savior Jesus
1:02:47Christ,
1:02:48devils flee.
1:02:50Demons manifest.
1:02:52And then some people say, "Well, could
1:02:54it be that the demons have some sort of
1:02:55agree Boy, some people like they'll keep
1:02:59coming up with another reason. Okay?
1:03:02>> Mhm.
1:03:04>> The Revelation 2:9ers, the Zionists, the
1:03:08synagogue of Satan, must get a kick out
1:03:11of us fighting over his name when they
1:03:14know the Yeshua is somebody they still
1:03:17waiting on.
1:03:19And they believe Jesus died on the
1:03:20cross.
1:03:23But they say he was a charlatan and he's
1:03:25boiling in excrement in the Talmud. So,
1:03:27they know the difference and demons know
1:03:29the difference.
1:03:31It's Christians that's struggling with
1:03:32this.
1:03:36Yeah. But Jesus is the name above every
1:03:38name.
1:03:40And
1:03:41you know, I ain't I'm nothing and
1:03:43nobody. I'm just a brother from Detroit.
1:03:46But out of his infinite wisdom,
1:03:51and his love for me,
1:03:54he showed me.
1:03:58He allowed me to test the names
1:04:00as a demonic entity was threatening me.
1:04:05In that moment, I learned.
1:04:08So, can't nobody tell me nothing.
1:04:10Yeah.
1:04:12And since then, you know, they say in
1:04:15science if you know, if something is
1:04:17repeatable time and time again and it
1:04:20proves it then that's that's a fact.
1:04:22Well, you know, that was
1:04:27almost 30 years ago. Okay? When I first
1:04:30tested the name. I've been in ministry
1:04:32ever since then.
1:04:35And I've seen the same things happen
1:04:37consistently.
1:04:40That's the name of power.
1:04:41>> Mhm. [clears throat]
1:04:46>> But we didn't went all off the rails and
1:04:47all over the place.
1:04:48>> this is good. This is good. And you
1:04:50know,
1:04:51>> [clears throat]
1:04:52>> uh my audience is familiar with, you
1:04:54know, a lot of things that I've gone
1:04:56through. I I I talk about over the
1:04:58years. But um you you mentioned about
1:05:01like the phrase you said, ain't nobody
1:05:03can tell me nothing. I say that exact
1:05:05thing when it comes to this this
1:05:08everything that I do. Um the the
1:05:10groundwork for my understanding of the
1:05:13darkness uh
1:05:15for me to operate knowing this is
1:05:18actually a problem
1:05:20happened before the show existed. I
1:05:23>> [clears throat]
1:05:23>> I was radi- I became to Christ
1:05:25radically. Um
1:05:27I was raised in the church. I rebelled
1:05:29in my marriage. Uh
1:05:31when I was married, I rebelled against
1:05:32Christ in my marriage. Uh everything. I
1:05:34just hated I just started embodying We
1:05:37were talking about territorial spirits,
1:05:38which if we get into it, we get into it,
1:05:39but like
1:05:41Philly has a very like like um
1:05:44a principality that reigns over Philly.
1:05:47And I don't think it's a mistake that
1:05:50Philly's called the city of brotherly
1:05:51love, and there ain't no brotherly love
1:05:53in in Philly. It's the exact opposite.
1:05:56And
1:05:57>> [snorts]
1:05:57>> I I [clears throat] was becoming like an
1:05:59embodiment of that. I just hated people.
1:06:01>> Mhm.
1:06:02>> I I I embraced the anger.
1:06:04And um
1:06:06I had I just had a moment in my life
1:06:07where
1:06:08>> [clears throat]
1:06:08>> I I found myself in a church at a
1:06:10funeral. And for the first time in my
1:06:11life, the Holy Spirit like God zeroed in
1:06:14on me specifically. Uh and I I just It
1:06:17didn't happen this way literally, but
1:06:19like I always liken it to like the movie
1:06:20The Matrix where Morpheus and Neo just
1:06:22wind up All of a sudden they're in that
1:06:24white room. It's just those two. That's
1:06:25how it felt like with me and God. It was
1:06:26just like all of a sudden there was like
1:06:28nobody there. Like they were there, but
1:06:30my attention was not anywhere but solely
1:06:32on him. And for the first time in my
1:06:34life, God spoke to me
1:06:36and told me that basically um I was
1:06:39pursuing a life cuz I was trying to
1:06:41become a better person. Like I I I went
1:06:43through this phase. I was trying to work
1:06:45on my marriage, and I was trying to
1:06:47become a better person, but I didn't
1:06:48want anything to do with God. And I was
1:06:49actually angry to be in a church. I was
1:06:51really angry in that moment when he
1:06:53reached into me. And he just said, "You
1:06:54don't need to change to come to me. Just
1:06:56come to me, and I'll change you."
1:06:58And it was such a real experience that
1:07:00um it was almost like
1:07:02I didn't even have to make a decision in
1:07:04the moment. Like it was just like,
1:07:05"Well, yeah."
1:07:06Like
1:07:07whatever is going on right now is so
1:07:10real
1:07:11that like I'm not the smartest guy in
1:07:13this in the world, but I'd have to be a
1:07:14fool not to to not recognize it and
1:07:18respond.
1:07:19>> Right.
1:07:19>> And I walked out changed.
1:07:21And I'm now a truck driver in Philly
1:07:23that everybody knows me as this mean
1:07:24nasty guy and that ain't me no more.
1:07:27And I started doing deliveries where I
1:07:29was just like talking to the people who
1:07:31are taking my deliveries about Jesus and
1:07:33this one guy I ran into, he uh he I
1:07:37started going this new place and I
1:07:38started talking with him
1:07:39and he tells me his life story. It was
1:07:41probably about I don't know, maybe say
1:07:4210 deliveries that it took for me to get
1:07:44to, you know, every every time I went in
1:07:46there I'm like, "Okay, where's the story
1:07:47going now, right?" And it was such a
1:07:48dramatic story. I was like, "Man, this
1:07:50guy's story like could be a movie."
1:07:53And um we got to more current times and
1:07:55I I asked him, you know, like what
1:07:57what's the next chapter of your life?
1:07:58And he goes, "I don't know, I'm probably
1:07:59going to kill myself." Uh he might have
1:08:01even said blow his brains out. Um either
1:08:04way I just was caught off guard by that.
1:08:07I didn't know I was talking to somebody
1:08:08that had that mentality about their
1:08:09life. I said, "Man, you don't want to do
1:08:10that. God's got plans for your life."
1:08:12And it might have been the first time
1:08:13that I actually had an opportunity to
1:08:14talk to him cuz he was just telling me
1:08:15these stories.
1:08:17And the way he physically reacted to me
1:08:20saying God has plans for your life was
1:08:22pure physical curiosity. He was curious
1:08:26and he looked at me like he never heard
1:08:28the word God before. He started asking
1:08:30me questions about what is God? What is
1:08:32this? And I'm just telling him like this
1:08:35is like
1:08:36>> [clears throat]
1:08:36>> overflowing spirit of my heart, so I'm
1:08:38fine, you know.
1:08:40And he follows me out to the truck and
1:08:41he says to me, "I would really like for
1:08:43you to come to my house this weekend and
1:08:44talk to me more about God." And I was
1:08:46like, "Yes, like 100% yes, I'm there.
1:08:4911:00 Saturday morning, I'm there."
1:08:51And I did, I went.
1:08:53>> [clears throat]
1:08:53>> And leading up to that week though, I
1:08:54felt and this is young in my walk,
1:08:58I felt God telling me
1:09:00that I need to prepare for a dark
1:09:03spiritual warfare.
1:09:04And I didn't know what that meant. I I I
1:09:08I wasn't involved in a church community
1:09:10that would even talk about such things.
1:09:12Like it just wasn't part of the
1:09:13equation.
1:09:15But I couldn't shake from that Tuesday
1:09:17to Saturday, it was non-stop.
1:09:20Non-stop. Just rapid fire, always on me.
1:09:23Darkness, darkness, darkness. I'm like,
1:09:25"What the heck?" I go home and I tell my
1:09:27wife, you know, what happened and I tell
1:09:29her what God's telling me and I'm like,
1:09:31I'm confused cuz I'm like, this dude he
1:09:32like he was begging for the gospel. Like
1:09:34he's coming to Christ. Like he's already
1:09:35saved. You know what I mean? And um
1:09:38my wife started getting uneasy and she's
1:09:40nervous and you know, like I I I do a
1:09:43lot like back then I did a lot of stupid
1:09:45stuff. Like I put myself in stupid
1:09:46situations and my wife never really
1:09:48asked me to give her the address of
1:09:50where I'm going. She did that day.
1:09:52Before I left that day, she's like, I
1:09:54need to know everything you need to know
1:09:55what you know about this guy. I need to
1:09:56know where he lives. I need to know his
1:09:57name, his number, whatever you have. I
1:09:59give it to her. I'm like, I don't know
1:10:00why you and God are so worried. Like I I
1:10:03got like I I got this, you know?
1:10:05Um I go and um I walk up to that door,
1:10:09sunny day, Birdsboro, Pennsylvania.
1:10:12I knock on the door. There's a pause.
1:10:14And there's nothing. Like it's almost
1:10:16like he's not home. And then the door
1:10:18just seemed to open by itself.
1:10:20And it's completely black in the house.
1:10:23Uh dark, lights out.
1:10:26And there's enough time that passed by
1:10:28that the door opens and you wait
1:10:32courteously for somebody to greet you
1:10:34and that doesn't happen. And so
1:10:37it was enough time that went by that
1:10:38that didn't happen. I literally peek my
1:10:40head in the door and I say, "Hello."
1:10:42And he steps out from behind the door
1:10:45and he says, "You showed up." And I
1:10:46said, "Yeah, I'm here, you know, I told
1:10:48you I'd be here." He said, "Most people
1:10:50don't show up." And um after words,
1:10:54people have brought to my attention that
1:10:55that should have been my sign. Like,
1:10:57what do you mean most people? Uh it
1:10:59wasn't and I I walked in very dark
1:11:02[clears throat] living room and uh I
1:11:04always remember he has uh he had pin-up
1:11:07girls on his wall. Like it was it it was
1:11:09like it was wallpaper. It was just
1:11:11wow organized
1:11:13papers of pin-up girls all on the wall.
1:11:16And it stood out to me. And um as I he
1:11:19tells me to to sit at the dining room
1:11:21table. And so you in it's like a row
1:11:25home in Birdsboro. And so you walk in,
1:11:27you hit the living room.
1:11:29I believe there was like stairs right to
1:11:30my right that would go upstairs. And you
1:11:32go across the living room and there's
1:11:34just like this little half built-in
1:11:35bookshelf that comes out from the wall
1:11:37to separate the two rooms, the dining
1:11:38room and living room. And I walk by the
1:11:40bookshelf and the Holy Spirit as strong
1:11:42as he was preparing me for spiritual
1:11:44warfare that week, he brings my
1:11:46attention to the bookshelf. Just It
1:11:48wasn't like
1:11:49anything other than be aware of the
1:11:50bookshelf. I'm like, "Okay."
1:11:52And um
1:11:54and then I I uh
1:11:56I just had a moment where I just
1:11:57realized I'm telling the story again,
1:11:58but here we go. I'm telling you. So, if
1:12:00this is old, you guys can fast forward.
1:12:02Um
1:12:04>> I'm listening.
1:12:05>> So, yeah, you're listening. Um
1:12:07so [clears throat]
1:12:08I approach the table
1:12:10that's sitting there in the dining room,
1:12:11tiny dining room. And again, the Holy
1:12:13Spirit like very quickly tells me the
1:12:16chair between the dining room table and
1:12:19the window. There's only two chairs. The
1:12:20other one was between the dining room
1:12:22table and a doorway. Like a like a
1:12:24closed door.
1:12:25And so I I I listen and I sit down in
1:12:27that chair and we start talking. And
1:12:29we're talking about just stuff. Like not
1:12:31even scriptural or anything. It's just
1:12:34life, you know? He has a eating disorder
1:12:36which I think was demonically fueled now
1:12:38cuz he said because we would go back and
1:12:39forth between the the the dining room
1:12:41and the kitchen.
1:12:43And he said that something about like
1:12:47it was like somebody made a rule, but it
1:12:49was his rule, but it was like almost
1:12:50like he wasn't directing the rule that
1:12:52there was no smoking in the house
1:12:54outside the kitchen.
1:12:55And his kitchen, but he lived by
1:12:57himself. His kitchen was like a
1:12:59workshop. He He built like RV like RC
1:13:01cars, the remote control cars.
1:13:03>> Mhm.
1:13:04>> And he had parts like it was like a
1:13:05workbench, but it was also his kitchen.
1:13:08And all he would eat, if I remember
1:13:09correctly, was um
1:13:11he would drink Mountain Dew,
1:13:14Doritos, and ramen noodles. Ooh. That's
1:13:16all he would eat, consume. Like he's
1:13:18like, "That's all my system can handle."
1:13:19And like that, looking back on it now,
1:13:21I'm like, "I wonder if there was some
1:13:22kind of like demonic bondage to that."
1:13:24>> Yeah.
1:13:25>> So
1:13:27we go back and forth between the two
1:13:28rooms and I find myself sitting at the
1:13:30table again, and he
1:13:33he's talking and he says to me
1:13:35um
1:13:36seemingly, if I remember correctly, like
1:13:37out of the blue, that he says, "Do you
1:13:39believe in ghosts?" And at this time,
1:13:41this is before the podcast, radically
1:13:43saved, didn't think about this stuff at
1:13:46all.
1:13:47Um I was like, "Well, you know, you
1:13:49know, I'm I'm kind of scrambling for an
1:13:51answer to that cuz I I I don't know."
1:13:54Um and he says um or I I I I tell him,
1:13:57"Yeah, I guess, in a sense." I mean
1:13:59uh
1:14:00they thought that Jesus was a ghost
1:14:02walking on water, so the idea, the
1:14:03concept of ghosts was not foreign even
1:14:05in scriptures, so I assumed there's
1:14:07something to it. And he goes, "Oh,
1:14:08okay." And then he kind of nods his head
1:14:10and he said something about uh
1:14:13there are seven ghosts in this house.
1:14:16And
1:14:17I'm like, "Okay."
1:14:19And
1:14:20like right there is when I realized
1:14:22like, "Okay, something's shifting here."
1:14:25And then he and I I
1:14:28I cannot remember for the life of me how
1:14:30he he laid this information out. And
1:14:32part of it is because
1:14:34at this moment, I think my mind's going
1:14:36a different direction. Like I'm thinking
1:14:37now, like my gears are turning, so I'm
1:14:38half listening.
1:14:40And
1:14:41something to do with the seven ghosts in
1:14:42the house
1:14:44coming from the basement.
1:14:46And he invited me into the basement to
1:14:47see what he was talking about.
1:14:49And that basement was right behind him,
1:14:51that door behind him
1:14:52that I was told not to sit in that
1:14:54chair.
1:14:55And so
1:14:56>> [clears throat]
1:14:57>> I
1:14:58I mustered up a little level of boldness
1:15:01um and I just said, uh "No, man, we're
1:15:04going to just stay right here. I just
1:15:06want to stay up here." And he goes and
1:15:07he just kind of shrugged and he goes,
1:15:08"Okay." And he just starts talking. We
1:15:10just start talking. We start talking
1:15:11about the gospel. Start talking about
1:15:13Jesus.
1:15:14And he starts like kind of getting richy
1:15:15in his chair. He's kind of like really
1:15:17like if you're if you're talking to
1:15:19somebody and they're really feeling what
1:15:20you're saying, you know, like, "Oh,
1:15:22man."
1:15:23You know, like and and that's what he's
1:15:25doing. And so I'm like in my mind like,
1:15:27"This dude's primed ready to go." And
1:15:29I'm like are you like you seem you want
1:15:30to accept Christ in your life today. You
1:15:31want you want to do that?" He goes,
1:15:33"Yeah. Yeah, I do." I was like, "All
1:15:35right, let's do this." And And so like,
1:15:37you know, I personally today I don't
1:15:38believe that you have to say a prayer
1:15:41to have Christ in your life in the in
1:15:44your heart. Like it's a good idea to to
1:15:46at some point pray to him, right? But
1:15:47like Like there's there's a
1:15:48communication that happens. And the
1:15:50reason why I feel this way is because of
1:15:51what happened to me at that church.
1:15:52Nobody led me into a salvation prayer.
1:15:55Like I had encountered Christ. I
1:15:57encountered God and he changed me. It It
1:16:00did It It wasn't me coming initially in
1:16:03a prayer of repentance. That did come.
1:16:06Um but I I I I
1:16:08I just I
1:16:09>> Same here.
1:16:10>> I sat there with a
1:16:12prayer generic prayer and I prayed with
1:16:15him. And I had done street ministry
1:16:16before in my college years before my
1:16:18rebellion.
1:16:20And so I've seen people give their life
1:16:21to the Lord on the streets.
1:16:24Anywhere from drug addicts, drunk coming
1:16:25out of bars. I was familiar.
1:16:28Um
1:16:30I never saw anybody react this way. He
1:16:32He's sitting in his chair
1:16:34and he sits back and he starts shaking
1:16:37his hands violently like like like this.
1:16:39Like really hard. And he goes, "I feel
1:16:41this energy just rushing through my
1:16:42body." And I'm just like,
1:16:45"What?" Like like I like I I was just
1:16:47like,
1:16:49"Okay, you know, like I I I've never saw
1:16:51this before but like this guy just
1:16:52prayed with me. He just accepted Christ
1:16:54in his life. I mean, cool." I mean, he
1:16:56he already strike me as a weird dude
1:16:57that only eats a few things and stuff,
1:16:59you know.
1:17:00Um
1:17:01Again, I don't I'm not thinking demonic
1:17:03anything.
1:17:04I don't know about this stuff.
1:17:06Um
1:17:07And he
1:17:09he stands up and shaking and he goes, "I
1:17:11just want to give you a hug."
1:17:14And I'm like, "Cool. Like welcome to the
1:17:16kingdom, bro hug, right?"
1:17:18And he comes over to the side of the
1:17:20table like I got like
1:17:22It's kind of like set up the way we're
1:17:23sitting. Like if you were him and me.
1:17:24Like he we stand here at the side.
1:17:27And I think we're just going to give a
1:17:28bro hug three to the back. He comes in
1:17:30and he gives me this big squeeze and he
1:17:32puts his whole front of his body on my
1:17:34body. Like every part of his body.
1:17:36Um
1:17:37And he puts his head on my left shoulder
1:17:39and he does this long drawn out exhale
1:17:44on my shoulder.
1:17:45And I'm like,
1:17:47"This dude's weird."
1:17:49But praise God, he accepted Christ, you
1:17:51know?
1:17:52We sit down, we start talking. And
1:17:54again, he does it for for a second time.
1:17:58And uh he's shaking, stands up, wants a
1:18:01hug. I get up, give him a hug.
1:18:03And um
1:18:05we sit down, we start talking. I was at
1:18:07this guy's house for 3 hours. It was a
1:18:08very long drawn-out process.
1:18:11So, it happened twice.
1:18:14And then he said to me at sometime
1:18:17during the exchange, he says, "I want to
1:18:19tell you something." I said, "What's
1:18:20that?" He goes, "I'm a member of the
1:18:22Church of Satan."
1:18:23And I was like,
1:18:26"Okay. Now I get it." You know?
1:18:29>> He was trying to transfer something to
1:18:31you.
1:18:31>> Yeah. He was trying.
1:18:32>> Yeah, and I didn't know this at the
1:18:33time. Um
1:18:36And so, he gets up, walks over to that
1:18:39bookshelf,
1:18:40pulls out satanic literature. So, the
1:18:42bookshelf that God made me aware of, he
1:18:44pulls out these satanic books, puts them
1:18:46on the table right in front of me. So,
1:18:47like I have my Bible like right here.
1:18:49And he puts the the books next to my
1:18:51Bible. He said, "I want you to take
1:18:53these out of my house for me."
1:18:55And I'm like, "Okay, yeah." And I take
1:18:57my Bible and I put it on top of the the
1:18:59books and I say, "I'm going to burn
1:19:00them." And I the only thing I did I I
1:19:01did that for was cuz I didn't know I
1:19:03didn't know I I was like I never saw
1:19:05satanic books. Like I didn't know they
1:19:06even existed. I thought they Like I
1:19:08didn't think about the stuff.
1:19:10So, I put it on top as like a gesture of
1:19:12authority.
1:19:14And I said, "I'll burn them." And he's
1:19:15standing next to me when he does this.
1:19:16And and he goes, "No!" And he yells at
1:19:19me.
1:19:20And
1:19:21I'm like,
1:19:23"What?"
1:19:24And he goes, "Oh, I'm sorry. I just
1:19:26I don't like when people burn books."
1:19:28And I'm like, "All right." And I said,
1:19:30"But you don't have to yell at me." And
1:19:31like my blood pressure's rising at this
1:19:32point cuz I'm just like
1:19:34>> [laughter]
1:19:34>> you know? And uh he sits down or yeah,
1:19:37he sits down and we start talking more
1:19:39and I'm and I'm aware, okay, this is
1:19:42what God was preparing me for. Like this
1:19:43guy is going to come to the Lord this
1:19:45week and he's coming from Satanism and
1:19:50all this stuff, I got to get out of his
1:19:52house so that he can advance in the
1:19:54kingdom, right?
1:19:56And um he starts shaking again, same
1:19:59thing, shaking. And he stands up, wants
1:20:01a hug, I give him a hug. It's the same
1:20:03hug every time, left shoulder, exhale.
1:20:05And at that time I said, "I got to go."
1:20:08I was tired, I was exhausted, and I now
1:20:10I know something is happening. I don't
1:20:12know what though.
1:20:14And it's been 3 hours and I'm really,
1:20:16really tired, spiritually exhausted,
1:20:17didn't know that at the time. I didn't
1:20:19know what that even felt like.
1:20:20But
1:20:22I leave the house and I sit down in my
1:20:24car
1:20:25and it's a it was like a 2005 Subaru
1:20:27Forester.
1:20:29Um
1:20:29and I pull out and I'm driving down the
1:20:32road with these satanic books on the
1:20:34driver side or the passenger seat. I
1:20:36took them out of the house because I
1:20:38told him I would and I was trying to be
1:20:40helpful.
1:20:41Um
1:20:42when I pulled down the road
1:20:46I still don't have proper way of
1:20:47describing it.
1:20:49But
1:20:50the way I describe it is I felt like
1:20:55I was leaving a piece of me at that
1:20:56guy's house. Mhm. Something was off.
1:21:00There was now a disconnect that I didn't
1:21:02have when I went in.
1:21:04>> Mhm.
1:21:05>> And
1:21:07I went home, or I called my pastor on
1:21:09the way home and I uh told him what
1:21:13happened and again, I wasn't part of a
1:21:16community that really talked about this
1:21:17stuff a whole lot and I don't give him
1:21:18fault, like it just wasn't in his nature
1:21:20either.
1:21:21Um
1:21:22and I said, "I don't feel comfortable
1:21:24taking these books home though and uh
1:21:26can I throw them away at the church?"
1:21:29And he said, "Well, there's nothing
1:21:30wrong with the books, there's no power
1:21:31in those books and stuff, but you can
1:21:33throw them away at the church if you
1:21:34want." Uh I now believe that he was
1:21:36wrong in that. I think that there was
1:21:37definitely things attached to those
1:21:39books.
1:21:39>> Absolutely.
1:21:40>> Um and I'm glad I didn't take them home
1:21:41because what happened afterwards was a
1:21:44for the first time I my my young
1:21:47Christian faith, like pure pure blood
1:21:50Christian faith. Like I'm not talking
1:21:51about like the spiritual crushes I grew
1:21:53up with my parents where that led me to
1:21:55my downfall in my young adult. Like I'm
1:21:58purely chasing Christ at this time. Um,
1:22:01and for the first time
1:22:03uh I experienced
1:22:04a level of
1:22:06warfare spiritually
1:22:08that I think probably would have been
1:22:10enhanced greatly if I took those books
1:22:12home.
1:22:13>> Mhm.
1:22:13>> But the next morning I woke up and I
1:22:15went downstairs per usual. I didn't have
1:22:17any kids at the time.
1:22:18Um, and I just to spend time with the
1:22:20Lord. That's what I did every morning.
1:22:23>> [snorts]
1:22:23>> Um, for for the first time in a very
1:22:25long time I felt like I didn't hear from
1:22:27the Holy Spirit speaking to me. Like
1:22:28usually I open up the word, it doesn't
1:22:30matter where I open up. I just start I
1:22:32can start reading and he'll just reveal
1:22:34things to me and just speak to me. Not
1:22:36for a message for everybody, just for
1:22:37me. Show me things.
1:22:39>> Right.
1:22:39>> And um I I didn't have that.
1:22:42And then the next day and then the next
1:22:44day
1:22:45and months go by
1:22:47and I'm like drowning spiritually and I
1:22:50don't understand why, getting
1:22:52frustrated. I have nobody to talk to me
1:22:54about this.
1:22:55And
1:22:57I remember the one morning I woke up and
1:22:59I went downstairs and I was like
1:23:02already expecting not to meet God.
1:23:05Like he's not showing up just like he
1:23:07hasn't for months. Might have been a
1:23:08year. I don't know. It was a while.
1:23:10It felt like a year. Maybe it was only a
1:23:12week.
1:23:13>> [laughter]
1:23:13>> Um, but I
1:23:18I said to myself that morning I I opened
1:23:22up the word.
1:23:23I don't hear him. I don't feel him.
1:23:26And
1:23:27it wasn't like I said to myself, it was
1:23:29just like a a knowing.
1:23:31Tomorrow morning I'm not getting up and
1:23:32I'm not doing this. I'm not if I'm I'm
1:23:35frustrated with God for the first time
1:23:37and I'm just like
1:23:39if you're if you're not going to meet me
1:23:41if you're I don't know what I did, but
1:23:43if you're not going to talk to me
1:23:44anymore, like
1:23:46I'm going to sleep in tomorrow.
1:23:47And maybe you can meet me in the truck.
1:23:50But you know, I'm tired. I'm tired.
1:23:53Every day I do 12-14 hours a day and I
1:23:55still wake up and and spend time with
1:23:58you because like we're we're together.
1:24:00>> Right.
1:24:01>> And you're and you just abandoned me,
1:24:02man. Like like I saw how it felt, you
1:24:03know?
1:24:05And like cuz I was so confused. I don't
1:24:06believe that, but that's how it felt.
1:24:07>> Right. Right.
1:24:08>> Um
1:24:10and I that
1:24:11took a new another step in my
1:24:14my young faith of
1:24:16in the darkness because
1:24:20No, I was never rebelling against
1:24:22Christ. I Christ is my savior, always,
1:24:24100%.
1:24:25But when I felt like he wasn't I felt
1:24:27like he was ignoring me. Like and like
1:24:29you you approached me. Like you came to
1:24:31me and talked to me and I I I
1:24:34it wasn't even an option. Like I changed
1:24:35everything. And now you're not talking
1:24:37to me. Why?
1:24:38Um
1:24:40and so um
1:24:43I
1:24:44start to appear in my life where I'm
1:24:46just like kind of floundering and I'm
1:24:48I'm I'm going to church and I'm and I'm
1:24:49I'm praying and and every once in a
1:24:51while I hear the Holy Spirit speak to me
1:24:53in a way that I I was familiar with. But
1:24:55it was like there was something between
1:24:57me and him. There was like there was
1:24:58like all of a sudden I had earmuffs on
1:25:00and I couldn't hear him.
1:25:02And um
1:25:03it wasn't until a
1:25:05a while later I'm in my truck on my like
1:25:09a lunch break and I'm talking to a guy
1:25:10on the phone on the phone that I was
1:25:11friends with and I was telling him the
1:25:12story I just told you.
1:25:14And um
1:25:16the Holy Spirit spoke
1:25:18and revealed to me that that day that
1:25:21man had no intentions on coming to
1:25:22Christ and he knew who he was.
1:25:25He lured me to the house
1:25:27to do damage on me.
1:25:30And everything just clicked in my mind.
1:25:32I think I might have even if I if I
1:25:34remember correctly, I might have been
1:25:35even podcasting at this time.
1:25:38But
1:25:39I realized what happened.
1:25:42And that
1:25:43I don't understand the logistics of it,
1:25:44but I know this guy tried putting the
1:25:46some kind of demonic entities on me. And
1:25:48this is like the the the what's been
1:25:51happening. Like they're they're like
1:25:52they're I've been under attack.
1:25:54And there's been this like
1:25:56>> walk
1:25:57>> walk. Yes.
1:25:59And so
1:26:02when I made that connection, I got real
1:26:04mad at that dude. And we were I went in
1:26:05there all the time. Like I always went
1:26:07in there.
1:26:08Uh before and after that day, I went in
1:26:10there. And he was always the one taking
1:26:13my freight off my truck.
1:26:15Giving me freight.
1:26:16And we always were cordial.
1:26:18Even through my spiritual dryness and
1:26:19stuff. I'm like, "Hey man, you should
1:26:20come to church and stuff." He's like,
1:26:21"Ah, you know."
1:26:23Wouldn't do it, right?
1:26:25Because I hadn't connected dots. I made
1:26:26that connection.
1:26:28The next time I went in that in there,
1:26:29he wasn't there. And I said, "Hey,
1:26:31where's Jay at?" And they're like, "Oh,
1:26:33he was just here. He must have been
1:26:34gone, you know."
1:26:35Every time I went in there after that, I
1:26:37never saw him again.
1:26:38>> Mhm.
1:26:39>> Like he knew I knew.
1:26:42>> Knew. Yeah. Mhm. Mhm.
1:26:43>> And so
1:26:44>> cover was blown.
1:26:44>> Yeah. And so when you say
1:26:47like
1:26:48ain't nobody can tell me nothing.
1:26:51Like I feel that so much because of that
1:26:53what I just shared with you.
1:26:54And I And I do believe the way you kind
1:26:56of said it how
1:26:59through God's divine orchestration, he
1:27:01allows things to happen in a particular
1:27:03way so that future us have no doubts.
1:27:06>> Mhm. Yes.
1:27:07>> I know
1:27:11I I'm great Let me put it this way. I'm
1:27:12so grateful
1:27:14that he
1:27:16allowed me
1:27:18to go through that
1:27:20before I started this podcast.
1:27:22Because I came into this podcast knowing
1:27:25darkness is very tangibly real.
1:27:28>> Lord.
1:27:28>> And
1:27:30when somebody comes along within the
1:27:33church or outside the church and tries
1:27:35to poo-poo
1:27:36what I do here
1:27:38ain't nobody can tell me nothing.
1:27:39>> Right.
1:27:40>> [laughter]
1:27:41>> Like Like cuz I'm not Like Like I draw a
1:27:44lot of conclusions from my conversations
1:27:45I've had over the years. Like we're
1:27:46coming up on I think on 900 episodes.
1:27:49Like I I talked to a lot of people.
1:27:52But before all those people came my
1:27:55experience with a Satanist at his house
1:27:57for 3 hours that tried hijacking my my
1:28:00future spiritual development. And so
1:28:02like
1:28:04your testimony
1:28:05with
1:28:07the hip-hop culture
1:28:10migrating into
1:28:12a satanic culture
1:28:15your personal life story of your family
1:28:18lineage in Satanism essentially
1:28:22migrating through all that finding out
1:28:24what Proof told you. You know, we're
1:28:26talk we're talking about
1:28:28D12
1:28:29who's part of D12? Eminem
1:28:32We saw what happened where his career
1:28:34has gone, the symbology that he's put in
1:28:36things.
1:28:37We can say safely if a pure question,
1:28:40did it all start at the 13th floor that
1:28:42Proof was talking to you about? Like
1:28:45there's so much there as far as the
1:28:47darkness trying to root into culture,
1:28:50society, and our lives.
1:28:52And to see that
1:28:54God has brought you from that, but in
1:28:58that process proved to you who he is,
1:29:01the power of him through a active attack
1:29:05on you.
1:29:07Ain't nobody can tell you nothing, man.
1:29:09>> That's right.
1:29:10>> That's right.
1:29:10>> glad you shared that. I really am. And
1:29:13like I know we didn't get into the
1:29:14details of that specifically. We can if
1:29:17you'd like, but like you know, for
1:29:19anybody who's maybe not familiar,
1:29:21there's a thousand-foot view is that you
1:29:22were in a relationship with a married
1:29:23woman who on the phone
1:29:25>> Yes.
1:29:26>> started manifesting a demon.
1:29:27>> Absolutely.
1:29:28>> And that's when you when you said you
1:29:29were rattling through different names,
1:29:31that's when you were doing that.
1:29:32>> Yes.
1:29:33>> And and the only one that worked was
1:29:35Jesus,
1:29:37you know?
1:29:37>> That's [laughter] right.
1:29:38>> And so
1:29:38>> The one that I had least belief in.
1:29:41The one that if you had have asked me
1:29:44prior which one I thought might work the
1:29:47one I definitely was no, it's certainly
1:29:49not that one.
1:29:50>> Mhm.
1:29:51>> Maybe Yeshua. Maybe Maybe it's
1:29:53Yahuwshua.
1:29:54Maybe it's Yahuwah.
1:29:56>> Yeah.
1:29:56>> But, it's not Jesus. It can't be Jesus.
1:29:58The The structure of the word is Jesus.
1:30:00It's It's too much. Zeus pork in in
1:30:04French or pig in French. It's too much.
1:30:06It It just couldn't work. And the fact
1:30:09that that was the one.
1:30:12You're right. You know, and congrats on
1:30:14the 900 episodes, too.
1:30:16>> Oh, thanks. Yeah.
1:30:17>> Congratulations. That's a milestone.
1:30:18>> Time flies.
1:30:19>> Right.
1:30:21But, you know, it says something about
1:30:23how much God loves us hard-headed sons.
1:30:25>> Mhm.
1:30:27>> But, it also says some some about us
1:30:28hard-headed sons, you know?
1:30:30Uh
1:30:32This generation is full of hard-headed
1:30:34sons. [clears throat]
1:30:35And I believe that, you know, we're
1:30:36seeing the supernatural
1:30:39being um
1:30:41acknowledged again.
1:30:43>> Pardon me.
1:30:43>> Yeah.
1:30:44>> Um for lack of a better term, because of
1:30:46these hard-headed
1:30:48Excuse me, these hard-headed
1:30:49>> sons.
1:30:51>> Who unfortunately need
1:30:54a sign.
1:30:55You know?
1:30:56>> Mhm.
1:30:57>> The Bible says it is a wicked and
1:30:58adulterous generation that seeketh after
1:31:00a sign. Jesus said that.
1:31:03Because we shouldn't need a sign to
1:31:05believe.
1:31:06You know?
1:31:07We should be able to allow for the word
1:31:10of God to change us in and of itself.
1:31:13>> Yeah.
1:31:16>> But, God is the best of planners. Man
1:31:18plans, God laughs. But, God is the best
1:31:21of planners.
1:31:22Because he knows
1:31:24what it takes
1:31:27to draw his sheep.
1:31:31And he's a loving God.
1:31:33He's not some robot God that that like,
1:31:36you know, like you know, like some kind
1:31:38of magic robot God. He responds to just
1:31:41this particular language or just this
1:31:42particular
1:31:43He has a heart.
1:31:45And he has a heart for these lost young
1:31:47folks that have been listening to Kodak
1:31:50Black and Young Thug. And their minds
1:31:52are gone.
1:31:53>> Mhm.
1:31:54>> My sister teaches in the public school
1:31:56system. Another one of my good friends,
1:31:57brother Shabazz,
1:31:58he teaches in the public school system,
1:32:00Troy public schools. And the thing the
1:32:02stories that they tell me, brother,
1:32:05about what what's become normal for high
1:32:08school kids today. You know, we we left
1:32:09high school a long time
1:32:10>> Mhm.
1:32:12>> the atmosphere that they're coming up
1:32:13in. It is a wonder
1:32:15that any of them would ever be able to
1:32:17receive Christ. It's a wonder.
1:32:20So, it's it's times like these as it was
1:32:22in the days of Noah,
1:32:24so shall it be in the last days. It's
1:32:25times like these
1:32:27when
1:32:29you know, it's not God's perfect will,
1:32:31but from out of his permissive will,
1:32:33he's allowing for the supernatural to be
1:32:35revealed. And and that I think
1:32:39in the perfect timing before we get to
1:32:41this point
1:32:42>> I agree.
1:32:43>> of great deception that's going to come
1:32:45upon this world when the stars of heaven
1:32:48fall down upon the earth and cause for
1:32:50the hearts of men to fail them. We're at
1:32:52the cusp of that with all of this
1:32:54disclosure talk and whatnot that I've
1:32:56been watching for many years. I'm I'm a
1:32:59black man that's built for that, okay? I
1:33:01love outer space and Star Wars.
1:33:04I
1:33:04>> That's not really popular in the black
1:33:05black culture, right?
1:33:06>> No, no, it's not. And I wish I could
1:33:09think of a really good reason why it's
1:33:12not. Perhaps because uh sometimes I
1:33:15think if you're
1:33:16kept too preoccupied with the mundane
1:33:21with the normalcies of life, those
1:33:24things preoccupy you,
1:33:26you don't have time to be considering
1:33:27the Yoda and the R2-D2. But, you know,
1:33:31for some reason it was you know, it was
1:33:34something that I gravitated to. I was
1:33:35very imaginative. And like I'm a like I
1:33:38could I could win a Star Wars trivia
1:33:41thing on Jeopardy, okay? I
1:33:43I know my outer space movies. But, that
1:33:46just led me into like
1:33:49the alien movement which, you know, oh
1:33:52my god. We ain't going to get into my
1:33:54Dr. York stories, but you know, it it
1:33:57was a guy from out of Atlanta.
1:34:00Well, he actually started off in in
1:34:02Brooklyn. He he influenced Jay-Z,
1:34:05allegedly, according to
1:34:07was it Prodigy?
1:34:10Jay-Z grew up in the community that Dr.
1:34:13York started.
1:34:14He's notorious now, infamous even, uh
1:34:17for
1:34:19going down on pedo charges.
1:34:21>> Mhm.
1:34:23>> Um Afrika Bambaataa was a proponent of
1:34:26Dr. York. Dr. York was influential from
1:34:30the time of Afrika Bambaataa
1:34:32to the time of Jay-Z and Rakim and them,
1:34:36all the way to the time of neo-soul.
1:34:40He influenced music Soul Child and
1:34:43uh
1:34:4521 Savage.
1:34:47Mother moved to Atlanta in order to be
1:34:50down with Dr. York's crew.
1:34:52>> Geez.
1:34:55>> The Nuwaubian Nation of Moors. I went
1:34:58down there several times until he
1:34:59embarrassed me when I went down there
1:35:01with my girlfriend one time.
1:35:03I was in my 20s. And not you know, all
1:35:05my life I've been searching for
1:35:08the truth, you know, the religion that
1:35:09was going to be mine.
1:35:11>> [snorts]
1:35:12>> Got a hold of Dr. York.
1:35:14His scrolls, that's what he called them.
1:35:15When you hear Jay-Z talk about the
1:35:17scroll, I never read the scrolls, he's
1:35:18talking about he's trying to defend the
1:35:21accusations that he was some kid that
1:35:23grew up in the Nuwaubian nation, because
1:35:27the story he wants you to believe is
1:35:28that he was some big dope dealer in the
1:35:30streets.
1:35:31>> So, that's not true?
1:35:32>> I mean, how can both be true? But, you
1:35:35know, but I I
1:35:36I digress.
1:35:37>> Mhm.
1:35:37>> You know, cuz you know, I don't know.
1:35:38Some some folks say, well, yeah, he was
1:35:40in the streets. You you know,
1:35:42a lot of people who were in those
1:35:44alternative
1:35:45belief systems also had one foot in the
1:35:47street, so it's possible, you know.
1:35:49[clears throat]
1:35:50Um
1:35:50the uh 5% Nation is notorious for that.
1:35:53Those guys were really gangster.
1:35:55But, so
1:35:58it it could be possible, but um
1:36:01Dr. York
1:36:05And And I say all this because this
1:36:06connects to the alien side, okay?
1:36:07>> Please, go.
1:36:08>> All right.
1:36:09>> [clears throat]
1:36:10>> Dr. York influenced uh
1:36:12Andre 3000. When people wonder why Andre
1:36:153000 acts so weird,
1:36:17read Dr. York.
1:36:18>> Really?
1:36:19>> Uh-huh, yeah. He
1:36:21him Erykah Badu, which was Andre 3000's
1:36:24woman for for a time. You know, they
1:36:25have a child together named Seven.
1:36:27Erykah Badu sang famously in her hit
1:36:30song that put her on for most folks in
1:36:32the nation, her song On & On. She said,
1:36:35"The mothership can't save you, so your
1:36:38sins going to get left." That was a big
1:36:42thing in the Dr. York theology
1:36:45in his lore was that black folks would
1:36:48one day be saved by the mothership. The
1:36:50mothership was going to come save us May
1:36:525th, 2005, I think was the last time it
1:36:55was supposed
1:36:57>> Still Still waiting for the circle back
1:36:58around?
1:36:59>> Still waiting for the circle back
1:37:00around.
1:37:01But
1:37:02so yeah, you know, so
1:37:03Andre 3000, Busta Rhymes, CeeLo Green
1:37:06from Goodie Mob, a lot of guys,
1:37:09especially in Atlanta, was really
1:37:12enthralled with Dr. York.
1:37:14Who Who again, he started off in
1:37:16Bushwick, Brooklyn. He started off in in
1:37:18Brooklyn.
1:37:20Some people say he got ran out of
1:37:21Brooklyn and went to Atlanta. Some
1:37:23people say he wasn't a running out type
1:37:25of situation, but anyway, he started
1:37:27having beef
1:37:28up there, or
1:37:30there were clashes between him and some
1:37:31of the other groups. Lot Lots of groups
1:37:33were up there, you know, the 5% Nation
1:37:35and Nation of Islam. So,
1:37:38maybe as a thing of um
1:37:42perhaps because I believe he was a
1:37:43government operative,
1:37:45perhaps because he was York.
1:37:46>> York?
1:37:46>> Yes. 100%. Um as much as as Crowley was.
1:37:50>> Mhm.
1:37:51>> I like to call him the black Crowley for
1:37:52the hip-hop era.
1:37:53>> Wow, okay.
1:37:54>> Um
1:37:55>> That holds weight.
1:37:56>> Yeah.
1:37:56>> That holds a lot of weight.
1:37:57>> Yeah. Oh yeah, that
1:37:59And it's fairly accurate.
1:38:01He He went down to Atlanta
1:38:03and set up um um
1:38:05this land called Tama-Re.
1:38:08It had pyramids on it.
1:38:11Wesley Snipes' brother had the land next
1:38:13door. Wesley Snipes was involved in it,
1:38:15too. Lots of Lots of prominent black
1:38:17folks was following Dr. York.
1:38:19>> Jesus.
1:38:20>> [snorts]
1:38:20>> Okay.
1:38:20>> Influential black folks. Afrika
1:38:22Bambaataa, okay, who ended up,
1:38:25oddly enough, having some of the same
1:38:28accusations levied against him that uh
1:38:30finally put Dr. York in jail.
1:38:33But anyway,
1:38:34before all of that happened and before I
1:38:37knew that Dr. York was a member of the
1:38:38Temple of Set, which was established by
1:38:41Michael Aquino, as I'm sure you know.
1:38:43Michael Aquino's known and pedo.
1:38:45>> Mhm.
1:38:46>> So, you you
1:38:46>> He looks like one, too.
1:38:47>> Yeah, right. He does.
1:38:49>> [laughter]
1:38:49>> With them weird eyebrows.
1:38:50>> Yeah, it's like yeah, it's like you line
1:38:52guys up and you're like pick the pedo,
1:38:53it's like that guy.
1:38:55>> [laughter]
1:38:55>> He just He just looks like it.
1:38:56>> Right. May he burn in hell for eternity,
1:38:59but um
1:39:01And you know, maybe I shouldn't say
1:39:02that.
1:39:02>> [laughter]
1:39:03>> But, you know, I said it and you know,
1:39:05I'm not perfect. Pray for me, y'all. But
1:39:07anyway, so Dr. York was a member of the
1:39:10Temple of Set. I didn't know all of this
1:39:11at the time. I thought that he was the
1:39:13black leader savior I had been waiting
1:39:16for all my life with an understanding of
1:39:18the aliens, too.
1:39:20And I was all I was gone.
1:39:22>> Yeah.
1:39:22>> Then, some goofy goober that we knew
1:39:26from the hip-hop community in Detroit
1:39:28had went down there and was telling
1:39:30people I started to say up here like I'm
1:39:32in Detroit. It was telling people up in
1:39:34Detroit in our circle,
1:39:36"Yeah, Dr. York got a live gray alien on
1:39:39his land on on the Tama-Re land down
1:39:41there in Eaton, Georgia."
1:39:44On the outskirts of Atlanta.
1:39:46Maybe about a hour 45-minute drive or
1:39:49something from Atlanta proper, but it
1:39:51was out of out in the country like out
1:39:53out of ways.
1:39:55I went down there three three different
1:39:56occasions. This first occasion
1:39:59was sparked by this word that we
1:40:01received in Detroit that he's got a
1:40:02gray. I told my girl at the time
1:40:06I said, "Sharnice,
1:40:08I said,
1:40:09listen, this is about to be my
1:40:10religion." I said,
1:40:12"If you don't be Nuwaubian, we going to
1:40:14have to break up."
1:40:16And she was like,
1:40:17"Okay, well, let's go down there and
1:40:18see."
1:40:19That day we got in the car, drove from
1:40:23Detroit to Atlanta that day
1:40:26to see if this gray alien was on this
1:40:29land.
1:40:31We get on the land and you know, my
1:40:33Detroit alpha game
1:40:35was picking up on certain things.
1:40:38First of all, I saw he had seven
1:40:39Cadillacs.
1:40:41>> [laughter]
1:40:42>> Who are the suckers?
1:40:46>> When I saw he had seven Cadillacs, that
1:40:48made my spidey senses tingle a little
1:40:49bit, but and and you know, I know Marvel
1:40:52is demonic, but so
1:40:56I noticed that and then and then I
1:40:57started noticing like
1:40:59it was a lot of dark-skinned brothers
1:41:02and light-skinned sisters and it was
1:41:04just a odd dynamic, but that that was
1:41:06something that was in his teaching as
1:41:07well. You know, lots of lots of things
1:41:10was red flags, but it wasn't until this
1:41:12happened.
1:41:14We went inside this building.
1:41:16Oh,
1:41:17first of all, we pull up to the land,
1:41:19it's a it's a Georgia State Trooper at
1:41:21the gate.
1:41:22Now, I'm under the impression that this
1:41:24is some anti-government underground. So,
1:41:27like the fact that it's a Georgia State
1:41:29Trooper at the gate was the flag number
1:41:32one.
1:41:34And I remember telling
1:41:35>> You're out of town, too. It's like
1:41:36this is not even like familiar
1:41:37territory.
1:41:38>> Right. Right.
1:41:39But, you know, I remember pulling up on
1:41:41him and being like, "Hey, uh
1:41:44are you Nuwaubian?"
1:41:46And he was like, "Yeah, yeah, yeah, you
1:41:47know, I've I've been in the faith for so
1:41:49so many years." I said, "Oh, okay."
1:41:52I said, "Uh well, you know, we drove
1:41:53down here from Detroit just on the
1:41:55humble. Man, I've been reading Dr.
1:41:56York's scrolls and I wanted to come down
1:41:58here and see the alien."
1:42:01And he was like, "The alien?"
1:42:04He I like, "Huh?"
1:42:06"Oh, oh, oh, okay, maybe you mean the
1:42:08museum?
1:42:10I said I said, you know, I don't know,
1:42:11you know, we just we just heard he had
1:42:12an alien on the land, which if that were
1:42:14true, everyone would know what I was
1:42:16talking about.
1:42:17>> Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
1:42:18>> Second red flag.
1:42:20So,
1:42:22he said, "Okay, well, I don't think
1:42:24nothing's open right now except for the
1:42:25bookstore,
1:42:27and I'm going to see if we can get
1:42:28somebody to open up the museum." Of
1:42:29course, the bookstores open, they want
1:42:30to make some money.
1:42:31>> Mhm.
1:42:33>> So, I said, "Okay, cool." So, anyway,
1:42:35make a long story less long, they let us
1:42:37out there on the land. We was the only
1:42:39two people out there, and we was walking
1:42:41around taking pictures. She still got
1:42:42them pictures to this day.
1:42:44And
1:42:46I was just I was such a goofy goober.
1:42:49Um I remember going to going into the uh
1:42:51museum, right?
1:42:53>> [laughter]
1:42:55>> And I'm looking at the different things
1:42:56that's up under the glass in the museum.
1:42:59You know, it's it's it's it's um
1:43:02I forget [clears throat] the There's a
1:43:03proper name for Islamic curved sword, a
1:43:07saber some type of saber.
1:43:09It was one of them, and as I looked at
1:43:11it, I could tell it was plastic
1:43:14and had been molded.
1:43:16And you know, as I'm looking at these
1:43:17different things that's supposed to be
1:43:18these ancient artifacts that Dr. York
1:43:19have collected. They did Of course, he's
1:43:22got pictures of his celestial family on
1:43:23the wall.
1:43:25And none of that bothered me as much
1:43:28as when
1:43:31I asked the museum dude about the alien.
1:43:33He was like, "Oh,
1:43:34yeah." He's like, "Over there."
1:43:37And I went
1:43:38and I looked and it was a it was a
1:43:41plastic
1:43:43coffin
1:43:44space coffin about this long
1:43:49behind some red velvet ropes.
1:43:52And I remember walking up to the red
1:43:53velvet ropes and looking looking over
1:43:55and looking and seeing that this is all
1:43:58purely
1:43:59plastic toys.
1:44:01I could see the seam I loved toys as a
1:44:03kid.
1:44:03>> Yeah.
1:44:04>> I used to take them apart and look at
1:44:05them and pay close attention. And I
1:44:07could see the seam along the side and
1:44:10I'm looking at this
1:44:11and my girl Shani, she's looking
1:44:14and I'm feeling embarrassed.
1:44:16So, I I said, "Hey, my man.
1:44:20Is this real?"
1:44:22And he came over there, on everything I
1:44:25love, Tony. He came over there and
1:44:28looked like this, like he was looking at
1:44:29himself, and said, "Yeah, uh
1:44:31yeah yeah, I think so."
1:44:33And that's when I was done.
1:44:36>> [snorts]
1:44:36>> That's when I knew I had been
1:44:37bamboozled, led astray, hoodwinked.
1:44:42>> [laughter]
1:44:42>> I knew I knew then that I had some
1:44:44serious game ran on me and I felt so
1:44:47embarrassed. So, then I started to
1:44:49researching him and looking at it from
1:44:50another perspective. Another moment came
1:44:52up one day one day we was record
1:44:54shopping looking for some samples, me
1:44:56and a guy named Tony Grom. And Tony Grom
1:44:59used to like to to to always tease me,
1:45:01talk junk about my Dr. York teachings
1:45:03and whatnot cuz I'll be in the studio
1:45:05holding court and everybody be listening
1:45:07and he'll be the one person that'd be
1:45:08able to like
1:45:10man, that Dr. York, you know.
1:45:12And so, we we're looking through
1:45:14records.
1:45:15I forget the record store and he's down
1:45:17a couple of rows from me, you know,
1:45:20flipping through records looking for
1:45:21records and I'm looking for samples over
1:45:23here. He said, "Everybody call me Jack
1:45:26for for Jack Knife."
1:45:27He said, "Hey, Jack.
1:45:29Hey, this your boy?"
1:45:31And I turned and looked
1:45:33and he pulled out a record of Dr. York
1:45:36looking like the old 70s pimp, the truly
1:45:39he was.
1:45:41He he was styled and styled and
1:45:43profiled, his hair fried, dyed, and laid
1:45:46to the side talking about some uh "And
1:45:49inside each song is a special message
1:45:51just for you." He was a singer. I had no
1:45:53idea this. People had said that he had
1:45:55been in the music business. Um Afrika
1:45:58Bambaataa and the Soul Sonic Force
1:46:00actually recorded something on his
1:46:02label.
1:46:04Like he's
1:46:05he's been that ingrained in hip hop.
1:46:07>> Wow.
1:46:08>> But he had this background also as as as
1:46:10this R&B singer, this smooth R&B singer,
1:46:13you know, the white suit with the red
1:46:16rose and everything, looking smooth and
1:46:18you know, Dr. York posing outside of a
1:46:20Cadillac or something. I'm like, this is
1:46:22pimping.
1:46:23And that's when I started to to to do a
1:46:26360 on Dr. York. And I really started to
1:46:30the Lord was beginning to reveal to me
1:46:33the depths of it.
1:46:35>> Mhm.
1:46:36>> And that probably culminated with me
1:46:38understanding that he was a member of
1:46:39the of the Temple of Set.
1:46:42And that was before the allegations came
1:46:43out, you know.
1:46:45Um
1:46:46and I started calling him Dr. Pork. And
1:46:49I started teaching against him, you
1:46:50know, to the same people that I was
1:46:52I was extolling his virtues to now, you
1:46:54know, I I you know, I'm I'm telling them
1:46:56I I was wrong.
1:46:58>> Uh-huh.
1:46:59>> So anyway,
1:47:00um
1:47:02uh
1:47:04yeah, Dr. York had a very strong
1:47:08teaching about truly truly about the
1:47:11alien deception.
1:47:13Um which he did talk about the alien
1:47:15deception. But of course, the devil
1:47:18can't tell a tell a truth without
1:47:20wrapping it in a lie.
1:47:21He would then say, but the real thing
1:47:24that we waiting on is for the
1:47:24mothership. Okay, you know, so that's
1:47:26the way he spun that.
1:47:29Uh but but you know, he's he's locked up
1:47:31now and um
1:47:33folks have done a lot of exposés on him
1:47:35and his group. But yeah, I I went down
1:47:37there several times. I
1:47:39must have spent a
1:47:41couple thousand dollars buying his
1:47:42scrolls, his books.
1:47:44>> Mhm.
1:47:44>> You know, I had his shampoo.
1:47:46>> Wow.
1:47:48>> You know, like I was going to commit to
1:47:50that.
1:47:50>> Yeah, yeah, yeah.
1:47:51>> And I think that's that's the last place
1:47:53I landed before
1:47:56I found out about the 13th floor and all
1:47:58of this type of stuff and like then now
1:48:01now I'm on my way to Christ, you know,
1:48:03after that.
1:48:04But um
1:48:06you know, all all that was part of my
1:48:08development. But I'm I'm glad to have
1:48:10had some of that background so that I
1:48:12understand what deception looks like.
1:48:15It's hard for me to fool It's hard to
1:48:17fool me with new age versions of
1:48:19anything. There's new age versions of a
1:48:21lot of Christian things that I think
1:48:23fool a lot of folks that was raised up
1:48:25in the church cuz they don't have
1:48:26nothing to compare it against.
1:48:28You know, but a lot of things that the
1:48:30church seem to be embracing, I
1:48:34immediately recognize as oh, that that's
1:48:36from some of my old teachers that I I
1:48:38got away from. So, I don't want no parts
1:48:40of that.
1:48:41You know.
1:48:42>> Yeah.
1:48:42>> Um
1:48:43which is you know, again, that's that's
1:48:45to the glory of God cuz I'm just a goofy
1:48:47goober. How would I know, you know?
1:48:49But, um
1:48:51>> [clears throat]
1:48:51>> you know, he So, after he called me
1:48:56into the ministry
1:48:58and trained me up under some elders
1:49:01who were very serious about street
1:49:03ministry.
1:49:04Um
1:49:05one of whom maybe the most influential
1:49:07was uh
1:49:09Minister Sherin Campbell
1:49:12who was the little short lady
1:49:14from Detroit that like
1:49:17she was like
1:49:19a legend like, you know.
1:49:22I'll be in the projects
1:49:24with friends of mine,
1:49:26you know, showing them different DVDs
1:49:27and videos and we'd be talking about
1:49:29knowledge and the conspiracies and stuff
1:49:31and eventually we'll get around to God.
1:49:34And this one young guy that would always
1:49:36come over to hear the
1:49:38my musings and rantings.
1:49:40He He say, "You know what, bro?
1:49:43You need You need to meet Apostle."
1:49:45That's what everybody called her. "You
1:49:47need to meet Apostle Campbell.
1:49:49She's got such power, man. When she pray
1:49:51for people, I'm telling you it changes
1:49:53things." And I
1:49:54you know, man, I was like,
1:49:56"Who is this Apostle Campbell? Bring her
1:49:57to me." You know,
1:49:59>> [snorts]
1:49:59>> that was the attitude I had like, you
1:50:00know.
1:50:02But, um
1:50:03when I met her, um
1:50:06it was the beginning of a change in my
1:50:08life that
1:50:10I didn't know I had been waiting for.
1:50:12Um
1:50:13she was the person that showed me how to
1:50:16have um
1:50:18a minister's heart.
1:50:19Yeah.
1:50:21Yeah, she stayed in a very rough part of
1:50:24Detroit off Vancouver.
1:50:27Um,
1:50:29rougher than my neighborhood.
1:50:31Um,
1:50:32and she kept her door unlocked.
1:50:35And it would be activity on that street
1:50:37all day long. Nobody better not mess
1:50:39with her or her door.
1:50:41All the thugs.
1:50:43They knew. Yes, they knew.
1:50:46And
1:50:47she kept her door open because she said
1:50:49that doors of the church should always
1:50:51be open.
1:50:52And she would give the single mothers,
1:50:55you know, diapers and toys for the kids
1:50:57and like everybody knew she she was
1:50:59truly like a legend.
1:51:01And
1:51:02she took a liking to me.
1:51:04And in spite of where I was in life, I
1:51:06mean I had I had these
1:51:09gnarly looking locks.
1:51:11And you know,
1:51:13full beard, everything. And un lined and
1:51:17unshaven and you know, I understand what
1:51:19the law says about those things. But I I
1:51:21do operate in freedom in Christ when it
1:51:22comes to that. And and I'm also in
1:51:24disguise
1:51:25as a member of God's army. I'm in the
1:51:27intelligence division. So So sometime I
1:51:30wear a disguise.
1:51:32But um,
1:51:33she saw me and she took a liking to me
1:51:36and she went to praying for me and um,
1:51:39I I felt like I needed to serve, you
1:51:41know, in her ministry and and to help
1:51:44her and so I just started from the
1:51:45bottom
1:51:46and I just started, you know, doing
1:51:47things for her, you know, because she
1:51:49needed some help.
1:51:50Um,
1:51:52and you know, through that
1:51:55uh, she prophesied over me and she said,
1:51:58you know,
1:52:00you know, you going to be a
1:52:01you going to be in the ministry. You
1:52:02going to be a minister.
1:52:03And I see you with a clean cut head.
1:52:06And I see you clean shaven with a bald
1:52:09head. And at the time I had these locks
1:52:11that I had grown.
1:52:12I thought it was never going to bald.
1:52:15>> [laughter]
1:52:16>> Now they told me this lady was really
1:52:18real with the spirit, but I I I know if
1:52:20she said that because there ain't no way
1:52:21I'm never going to I'm never going to
1:52:23cut my locks.
1:52:25>> [laughter]
1:52:26>> But, um
1:52:27so she
1:52:28she was right. But But yeah, so she she
1:52:30started taking me on ministry missions
1:52:32to Massillon, Ohio and
1:52:35um there we
1:52:37uh we did ministry with a Messianic
1:52:39church, which helped me balance off
1:52:41things that I had learned with the
1:52:42Hebrew Israelites while I was in
1:52:44Detroit. So, now I had the white side of
1:52:46Judaism and the black side of Judaism to
1:52:48see where they both was wrong at.
1:52:50>> [laughter]
1:52:51>> And, you know, that was a blessing.
1:52:54And
1:52:56then from there, um
1:52:59shortly after that, I started up my
1:53:01YouTube channel.
1:53:02And I started up off just wanting to put
1:53:05up you know, some of my experiences, but
1:53:08also I was working on this
1:53:10audio ministry, is what I called it at
1:53:12the time,
1:53:13called the The Songwriter's Secret.
1:53:16And this was stuff I didn't tell them
1:53:19on any of the other podcasts. I want to
1:53:21try to tell this and one more story that
1:53:23I didn't tell on another podcast that I
1:53:24think folks might be blessed by hearing.
1:53:27But, um
1:53:28I wanted to I wanted to share the
1:53:30songwriter's secret, which is what God
1:53:32gave me for the name of this experience
1:53:35that I had.
1:53:36Um
1:53:37one day when I was in the projects
1:53:39visiting my friends, my god sister, and
1:53:42um we used to love to listen to old
1:53:44school R&B
1:53:46classic soul jams, the jams, you know.
1:53:50Um
1:53:52The Gap Band, Rick James, you know. You
1:53:54know, Teddy Pendergrass, all of them
1:53:55folks. So,
1:53:58which of course is music that is without
1:54:00reproach. It's that rock and roll music
1:54:02that has the devil in it.
1:54:04>> [laughter]
1:54:05>> You know, that was my, you know. And And
1:54:07you know, we don't do that, not in my
1:54:09community.
1:54:10Shh, the Lord showed me
1:54:13in the illest way.
1:54:17We was about to listen to some
1:54:19some old school music.
1:54:21And at the time I was still
1:54:24struggling with some things.
1:54:27And
1:54:28we were about to smoke some marijuana.
1:54:31About to. Hadn't smoked it. I have to
1:54:33say that that that that's important.
1:54:36Um
1:54:39And I was like,
1:54:41"Hey, hey, throw throw on some of that
1:54:42good old school music
1:54:44so we can smoke to it."
1:54:46>> [clears throat]
1:54:46>> So, first I'm going to find the music
1:54:49before we partake in the in the in the
1:54:52drugs.
1:54:54So,
1:54:58my cousin Cassandra was like,
1:55:01"Yeah, bro, play that
1:55:02um
1:55:03It Seems to Hang On by Ashford and
1:55:05Simpson. Now now Nick Ashford and
1:55:06Valerie Simpson are two of the core
1:55:09songwriters that helped to produce many
1:55:11of the Motown hits from back in the day
1:55:14that still get played on movies and
1:55:15commercials and TV shows today like
1:55:17Ain't No Mountain High Enough. All the
1:55:20Marvin Gaye and Tammi Terrell stuff
1:55:21basically was written by Ashford and
1:55:23Simpson.
1:55:24Um they wrote a lot of hits for Motown.
1:55:26And they had a very
1:55:28kind of abbreviated career of their own
1:55:32after Motown in the '80s with uh
1:55:34their biggest hit probably was Solid as
1:55:36a Rock in the '80s.
1:55:38So, anyway,
1:55:40uh they had this song that we like to
1:55:42play at our barbecues and uh family
1:55:44unions and functions called It Seems to
1:55:46Hang On.
1:55:48And
1:55:49I didn't care for it that much, but I
1:55:50knew that they liked it, so
1:55:52I turned it on and I remember having
1:55:56the weed in my hand. I hadn't lit up. We
1:55:59sober as soldiers
1:56:01as much as you can be with, you know,
1:56:03substances around you.
1:56:07But
1:56:08I have to say that I was sober-minded.
1:56:12And as the lyrics to this song began
1:56:14playing. Now, this isn't backward
1:56:16masking. Backward masking is
1:56:18notorious. Everybody's heard of that.
1:56:20Led Zeppelin is probably the the biggest
1:56:22example that people know of where in
1:56:24Stairway to Heaven you turn the record
1:56:26backward and they say all kind of
1:56:27things. Uh Uh this is to my sweet Satan
1:56:30and all kind of things that that uh
1:56:32can be heard by a lot of people who are
1:56:35in agreement that there's something
1:56:36going on there.
1:56:38Um there was a backward masking case
1:56:40that actually went to the United States
1:56:42court.
1:56:44Um
1:56:45was it Metallica? I think it was
1:56:47involved in that case.
1:56:49If it's not Metallica, your
1:56:51your comment section will definitely
1:56:54haha
1:56:55um
1:56:56But anyway,
1:56:57so this isn't backward masking. This is
1:57:01going forward, the lyrics going forward.
1:57:05As we're listening to the lyrics going
1:57:06forward to It Seems to Hang On by
1:57:09Ashford and Simpson,
1:57:11folks can pull up the lyrics right now
1:57:12on Google if you'd like to.
1:57:15It became clear to me
1:57:17that the It that Seems to Hang On, the
1:57:20assumption is that it's love. They even
1:57:23say at the end of the song, is it love?
1:57:26Like you know, they're questioning it.
1:57:29But it
1:57:30for some reason, it was being revealed
1:57:33to me
1:57:34and to my god sister at the same time
1:57:37that they were talking about the devil.
1:57:39They were talking about spirits and the
1:57:41devil. Wow. They were not talking about
1:57:44love with each other.
1:57:46And
1:57:49it was like a movie moment. As we're
1:57:51listening to this song, it was like it
1:57:53just started to dawn on us. And like you
1:57:55know, we both got our heads down bobbing
1:57:57our head and then just very slowly
1:57:59lifting our heads
1:58:03without saying so, conveying like, are
1:58:05you hearing what I'm hearing?
1:58:07>> Yeah.
1:58:08>> That's the oddest
1:58:11That's never happened to me since.
1:58:13You know, where like you have that
1:58:14moment like like that.
1:58:16And God was showing us both at the same
1:58:18time cuz we were both
1:58:19in bondage
1:58:22to old school music.
1:58:25Which is something that you know, you
1:58:26don't think
1:58:27you don't think could be.
1:58:29But we could all agree that folks can be
1:58:31in bondage to heavy [snorts] metal.
1:58:34>> Mhm.
1:58:34>> [clears throat]
1:58:35>> Folks can be in bondage to drill music.
1:58:38Folks can be in bondage to trap music.
1:58:40Folks can be in bondage to gangster rap
1:58:42music.
1:58:43But not Earth, Wind & Fire with all
1:58:46their Egyptian symbolism.
1:58:49Certainly not. And again, we don't do
1:58:51that in my community.
1:58:54And this was the beginning of God
1:58:56breaking me from that spell and showing
1:58:57me, "No, it's in yours, too. And it's
1:59:00deeper in yours cuz it's subtle and
1:59:02smooth."
1:59:05And not like the obvious way that it's
1:59:07in heavy metal or in rock and roll. So,
1:59:10you thought you escaped something and
1:59:12you had a sense of racial pride
1:59:14concerning it. Black folks will quickly
1:59:16say a lot of time, "Well, no, that's not
1:59:17something we do." We used to say that
1:59:18about serial killers.
1:59:21>> [laughter]
1:59:22>> But we would also say that about satanic
1:59:23music.
1:59:25And the Lord specifically wanted me
1:59:27to show that we were wrong in that.
1:59:32For a number of reasons. For one thing,
1:59:34to help to bring the Galatians 3:28
1:59:35family of Christ together the way it's
1:59:37supposed to be.
1:59:38For another reason, to break that racial
1:59:40pride. Pride creates a blindness.
1:59:45Pride comes before the fall, no matter
1:59:47what kind of pride pride it is. Black
1:59:50pride, gay pride, white pride, pride in
1:59:52your children. You shouldn't have pride.
1:59:54There's better words for it.
1:59:57You know.
1:59:58Um
1:59:59but pride at the end of itself is a
2:00:01spirit. It's a spirit that caused
2:00:03for
2:00:05a very powerful angel to fall.
2:00:07>> Yeah.
2:00:09>> And um
2:00:10>> permeate amongst a third of the others.
2:00:13>> Okay.
2:00:13>> You know, it's That's how powerful it
2:00:15is.
2:00:15>> That's how powerful pride is.
2:00:18Pride can move a group.
2:00:21You know, a whole group of people. Folks
2:00:23say, "Well, you know, can a demon spirit
2:00:26come over a group of people?" Of course.
2:00:30Of course. You've seen You've seen
2:00:32a a gay pride parade. There's a spirit
2:00:36over a group of people.
2:00:41So, um
2:00:45So, the Songwriter's Secret
2:00:47became my next
2:00:50focus or,
2:00:51you know,
2:00:53it was almost an obsession, but it
2:00:55wasn't an obsession. It was It was God
2:00:58matching the obsession that I had with
2:01:01music and with soul music especially,
2:01:04and he was showing me, "No matter where
2:01:06you look, I'm going to show you it's
2:01:08there, too."
2:01:09And that night I must have went through
2:01:11300 songs. I had a notebook. Well, I
2:01:14would just write down the song and then
2:01:17I would write down the style of
2:01:19Songwriter's Secret because sometimes it
2:01:21would be a little nuanced from song to
2:01:24song, but it would always be there.
2:01:27Consider
2:01:28a song by Patti LaBelle. Everybody love
2:01:31Aunt Patti.
2:01:32She makes sweet potato pies that you can
2:01:34buy from Walmart or something, right?
2:01:37Patti LaBelle got a song called Somebody
2:01:39Loves You, Baby.
2:01:41Pull up the lyrics right now.
2:01:44Tell me what the lyrics say.
2:01:47Um
2:01:51She said,
2:01:53"Uh uh I'm under your spell." Go ahead.
2:01:57"I don't want to be free.
2:02:01You can make a slave
2:02:03out of me.
2:02:06I worship you
2:02:09and nobody else."
2:02:11I mean, like So, the Songwriter's Secret
2:02:14is
2:02:16No, it's not backward, it's forward, but
2:02:18you are under the impression that it's a
2:02:20woman singing about her love interest or
2:02:22a man singing about his love interest or
2:02:24in the case of Ashford & Simpson, a
2:02:25couple singing about love.
2:02:28No, it's love for the devil. Angel songs
2:02:31is Cash Angel songs. Angela Winbush
2:02:33Angel, Anita Baker Angel, Angel of the
2:02:36Morning Juice Newton,
2:02:38um
2:02:39Angel of the Night Angela Bofill, all of
2:02:42these are songs within the same
2:02:43category.
2:02:45There's a song called Silver Shadow by
2:02:47um
2:02:48Atlantic Starr that's about a girl
2:02:52seeing a star
2:02:54that comes to life as a spirit that
2:02:56comes down and kisses her and makes her
2:02:58famous.
2:02:59It's a famous song that's played on
2:03:01urban radio to this day.
2:03:03Came out when I was a shorty.
2:03:05But to this day still gets played.
2:03:08Um The O'Jays have them. The Isley
2:03:10Brothers have them.
2:03:11So Earth, Wind & Fire has them. So
2:03:15the Lord had me go through
2:03:17the music of my youth, the music I grew
2:03:19up on. Much in the style of uh Pastor
2:03:22Joe Schimmel of Good Fight Ministry who
2:03:24kind of did a similar thing for rock and
2:03:26roll, the music he grew up on, the music
2:03:28from his community.
2:03:30And again, you know, we were in this
2:03:32place and space of delusion of believing
2:03:34that everybody music but ours.
2:03:37Look up under some of the comments up
2:03:39under some of these old songs
2:03:41uh uh
2:03:42by The Gap Band and The O'Jays and
2:03:43Earth, Wind and Look at the comments.
2:03:45It's almost worship.
2:03:48I said, "Oh and and and nostalgia which
2:03:51is
2:03:52which is a spirit in and in and of
2:03:53itself because it robs you of being able
2:03:55to receive the gift of the present
2:03:58because you're always in a state of mind
2:04:00of believing that the good old days have
2:04:02passed."
2:04:03>> Mhm.
2:04:03>> No, the good old days are still ahead of
2:04:05you if you believe God has a hope and a
2:04:07future
2:04:08>> Mhm.
2:04:08>> and a good expected end for you.
2:04:11So it keeps people in a state of
2:04:12nostalgia, keeps them in pride
2:04:15and it's a it's a
2:04:16it's a form of bondage
2:04:18when at the end of the day all of the
2:04:20songs are celebrating things of the
2:04:23world, things of the create things that
2:04:26are of the creation rather than of the
2:04:28creator.
2:04:30And so the song writer's secret that was
2:04:32like my first
2:04:34hit, I guess, video on on YouTube back
2:04:37in the days when
2:04:39um I was monetized.
2:04:40So, you can find Songwriter Secret
2:04:42videos. We call it the SWS for short,
2:04:44cuz Songwriter Secret is a lot of
2:04:46letters.
2:04:47But, you know, we say that SWS, you can
2:04:49type in SWS on my channel, you can find
2:04:52hundreds of videos.
2:04:54You're not going to think of a song that
2:04:56people have not brought to my attention
2:04:58over the years that we haven't done.
2:05:00Very recently, we did the group Cameo, a
2:05:02funk band that was really big in the
2:05:03'80s.
2:05:04Um but,
2:05:06it's there if you look, because the
2:05:08devil is an equal opportunity destroyer.
2:05:10>> Mhm.
2:05:11>> It's foolish to think that he's going to
2:05:14go after young children who listen to
2:05:16rock and roll, but not young kids who
2:05:19grew up on soul and R&B.
2:05:20>> Mhm.
2:05:21>> That's total foolishness.
2:05:22>> Mhm.
2:05:23>> So,
2:05:25um not only did the Lord have me reveal
2:05:26that in in many videos, but um
2:05:30by the grace of God and by the glory of
2:05:33God, by his hand, he's led me to finish
2:05:37uh my newest book called The Songwriter
2:05:39Secret the book.
2:05:40>> Mhm.
2:05:40>> Um [clears throat]
2:05:42and um you know, which um is available
2:05:45on my Gumroad uh link, which will be
2:05:48available in the description or
2:05:50whatever, but for your viewers, I want
2:05:51to give it at a special price of 1865.
2:05:55>> Mhm.
2:05:56>> Um
2:05:57uh
2:05:59Amazon
2:06:00is going to be uh $25 on on Amazon, but
2:06:03you know, again, it's just kind of
2:06:05explaining how to recognize the
2:06:07Songwriter Secret, which which again,
2:06:08you can get that from the videos. I have
2:06:10tons of videos. Um you know, you don't
2:06:12need the book to understand what the
2:06:14Songwriter Secret is, but if you're just
2:06:15really into the Songwriter Secret, like
2:06:17folks tend tend to get, especially
2:06:19former music lovers and former musicians
2:06:21like myself,
2:06:23um
2:06:24you'll you'll really enjoy the book. Um
2:06:27but yeah, so the Songwriter Secret kind
2:06:28of got
2:06:29a lot of people to knowing about my
2:06:31channel.
2:06:32Then um
2:06:34KJ Osborne uh from Scariest The Scariest
2:06:37Movie Ever channel,
2:06:39he gave me my first big interview
2:06:41and then people started to kind of know
2:06:45that I was in the truther
2:06:46space or whatever.
2:06:48Um, I'll be a truther con again this
2:06:51year.
2:06:52Um, Rob Skiba who was one of the flat
2:06:55earth um
2:06:57you know, teachers that I enjoyed
2:06:59listening to the most, I'll say.
2:07:01Uh, his son uh Jeremiah does like a
2:07:04conference a truther conference uh
2:07:07called the truther con.
2:07:09And um, I'll be blessed to be a part of
2:07:11that again. But yet, so you know, so so
2:07:14much has happened um that I didn't
2:07:15expect to happen and
2:07:17um
2:07:19in spite of squandering my scholarship I
2:07:21was able to use like
2:07:23the skill that I always had and that was
2:07:26writing
2:07:27um to write some books to glorify the
2:07:29Lord which is not what I would have
2:07:31done. I would have made music to glorify
2:07:33the Lord which is something else I've
2:07:35also been able to do through through
2:07:37having this platform on YouTube.
2:07:39And so it's it's a blessing that instead
2:07:42of taking my gifts and talents from me
2:07:45or and instead of allowing for me to
2:07:47sacrifice them
2:07:49to Lucifer into his business
2:07:52God
2:07:54was patient
2:07:56with me
2:07:57and has led me to dedicate those things
2:08:01to glorify him.
2:08:02>> Mhm.
2:08:03>> All create all creativity comes from the
2:08:06creator.
2:08:07That's why the devil can't create he has
2:08:09to
2:08:10take something that already exists and
2:08:13thwart it
2:08:14twist it
2:08:16warp it.
2:08:17Um, but yet so
2:08:21that's the songwriter secret and the
2:08:23other thing I want to talk about was was
2:08:24the uh territorial spirits that you and
2:08:26I were kind of talking about in the
2:08:28beginning because I I guess my first
2:08:30ministry mission
2:08:32um after all these different experiences
2:08:35that had happened
2:08:36uh my first ministerial mission was
2:08:39um
2:08:41myself
2:08:42uh
2:08:43Brother Charles, who was a young man who
2:08:45was
2:08:46a viewer on my channel.
2:08:48Um
2:08:50we were called to go around to certain
2:08:55landmarks
2:08:57especially in the South. And this was
2:08:58before the Black Lives Matter movement
2:09:01and before the racial tension that we're
2:09:02experiencing today drummed up.
2:09:05Um the Lord wanted us to go to those
2:09:07different spots and to bind up the
2:09:10demons that were attached to those
2:09:12spots, places, spaces.
2:09:15Demons can be attached to to statues.
2:09:19We were talking about this a little bit
2:09:20earlier when I was saying that um those
2:09:22of you listening who are sports fans,
2:09:24aficionados, or
2:09:26folks who just like to take in the
2:09:27occasional game,
2:09:29if you've ever seen a game where your
2:09:31team is playing against uh Detroit,
2:09:34uh whether it be the Red Wings, the the
2:09:36Tigers,
2:09:38or the Lions, or the Pistons, invariably
2:09:41you're going to see
2:09:42a couple of landmarks to show you that
2:09:45hey, we're showing you Detroit. They're
2:09:47going to show you the those cylindrical
2:09:49buildings that's called the Renaissance
2:09:51building. Well,
2:09:53it used to be called the Renaissance
2:09:55building, which of course Renaissance
2:09:56means new birth.
2:09:58Uh then it became the GM building.
2:10:00>> [clears throat]
2:10:01>> But the other
2:10:03um landmark would be the statue holding
2:10:05up this ball of energy in one hand and a
2:10:08family in another. It's a greenish-gray
2:10:11statue sits outside the City-County
2:10:14Building, uh
2:10:15the Coleman Young Building,
2:10:17downtown Detroit. And it's positioned
2:10:21you know, I've done videos on it where
2:10:23like
2:10:24on one corner you have this this
2:10:26particular statue which is called the
2:10:28Spirit of Detroit, but it is Prometheus.
2:10:32It's not as
2:10:34grandiose as the Prometheus statue in
2:10:37Rockefeller Plaza, New York. It's
2:10:38golden, but it's the same idea.
2:10:41In New York, Rockefeller Plaza, he has
2:10:43fire in his hand.
2:10:46In the one in Detroit, it's like an
2:10:48energy ball-looking thing.
2:10:51But it's the same idea. It is Prometheus
2:10:54without the without a shadow of a doubt.
2:10:56And this is the spirit of Detroit. So,
2:10:58what is that telling you the spirit of
2:10:59Detroit is?
2:11:03Interestingly enough,
2:11:05Detroit is just now getting a rap
2:11:08footprint,
2:11:10you know, where like you have a lot of
2:11:11rappers coming out from Detroit. Even so
2:11:13much so you can hear a song and folks
2:11:15can say, "Well, that's the Detroit
2:11:16style."
2:11:18You know, it's
2:11:20That's it's the first time that like
2:11:23that it's been that way.
2:11:24>> [snorts]
2:11:25>> Eminem and D12 didn't have a Detroit
2:11:27style, per se.
2:11:28They were doing something else.
2:11:30>> Very.
2:11:31>> But
2:11:32the very first big rapper from Detroit
2:11:35was a guy named Esham.
2:11:37And he's, you know, I'm sure if you
2:11:39looked him up on Wikipedia, he would be
2:11:41the world's first
2:11:45um
2:11:46worldwide
2:11:48satanic rapper.
2:11:50Uh he represented Detroit called Esham
2:11:53the Unholy. Eminem will say that he was
2:11:56uh one of Em's greatest influences was
2:11:59Esham.
2:12:00And you know, I don't know what he's
2:12:02doing today. I've heard people say that
2:12:03he doesn't do that anymore today. I'm
2:12:06I'm speaking on his legend, his legacy,
2:12:09what I recall. When I was 14 years old,
2:12:11I I remember we had a little red Esham
2:12:14tape booming. Words from Hell was what
2:12:17it was called. You can, you know, folks
2:12:19are looking so these things up, I'm
2:12:20sure, so they can say I'm lying. You'll
2:12:22find them.
2:12:23Uh but booming Words from Hell was this
2:12:25red cassette tape, and people used to
2:12:28say that if you put it in your tape
2:12:30deck, it'll mess up the tape deck, you
2:12:32know, it'll start unraveling. So,
2:12:35without knowing how to say that, we
2:12:37thought it was cursed at the time, at
2:12:3914.
2:12:41Um but it was it was popular. He was the
2:12:43most popular Detroit rapper for a long
2:12:45time. ICP, Insane Clown Posse, who are
2:12:48not from Detroit like Eminem's not from
2:12:50Detroit and like Kid Rock is not from
2:12:52Detroit. Kid Rock's from Romeo. Eminem's
2:12:54from Warren. And I forget where ICP is
2:12:56from. But you don't get no shine if you
2:12:58say you're from Romeo or Warren. You got
2:13:00to say you're from [clears throat]
2:13:01Detroit.
2:13:02Um so that's why they do that. But
2:13:03anyway, ICP's whole mask thing is based
2:13:07off of an
2:13:08of an Esham cover that he did called
2:13:11Homie Don't Play That. He first did did
2:13:14the clown mask thing like the crazy
2:13:16clown man. Which really he was kind of
2:13:18playing off of In Living Color, the old
2:13:21comedy sketch show where Damon Wayans
2:13:24did a character called Homie the Clown.
2:13:26And so Esham kind of took that and he
2:13:29called himself thuggin' it out and
2:13:31um demonizing it even more and he was
2:13:35like this demonic clown. So ICP were
2:13:37also influenced by him.
2:13:39So he he is he is, you know, maybe the
2:13:42most influential Detroit rapper of all
2:13:44time and he was satanic. Then of course
2:13:46there's the the presence of the satanic
2:13:47church which made nationwide news back
2:13:51in 2016 or something like that when they
2:13:53put up the statue in Detroit.
2:13:54>> Yep, I remember that.
2:13:55>> Then there's the Scientology building
2:13:57which is directly across the street from
2:14:00a
2:14:02How should I call it? From a structure
2:14:06that they call a piece of art
2:14:08called the Transcending
2:14:11Transcending
2:14:13structure. It looks just like the
2:14:15stargate from Stargate SG-1.
2:14:19And it sits right in front of the
2:14:20Detroit River
2:14:22and across the street from the
2:14:23Scientology building.
2:14:27>> Mhm.
2:14:29>> Caddy-corner from the Lucifer statue.
2:14:32So downtown Detroit is very dedicated to
2:14:35show
2:14:37um
2:14:38the power of the Freemasonic
2:14:42brotherhood and the power of the occult
2:14:45um
2:14:46is definitely over the city.
2:14:50>> You know, um
2:14:52it's not mine to talk about in the sense
2:14:54that I can't do it justice.
2:14:57But, there's a documentary coming out uh
2:14:59at some point that my friend Joel, which
2:15:02by the way, you're going to have to meet
2:15:04at some point. Um
2:15:07very [clears throat] similar
2:15:09stories. Uh he's out of Cincinnati.
2:15:11Um and he he actually
2:15:15joined the Masons because he wanted to
2:15:17rise in power in the occult and the
2:15:20music industry.
2:15:21>> Really?
2:15:22>> He knew all about it. And he did it for
2:15:24with intention.
2:15:25>> Oh.
2:15:25>> Uh
2:15:26>> [clears throat]
2:15:26>> now he's saved by Christ and and and
2:15:27pursuing the Lord.
2:15:28>> Glory to God.
2:15:29>> Raised underneath of a pastor and
2:15:31rebelled cuz his father was part of a
2:15:33satanic cult and
2:15:36came to Christ, but he understood his
2:15:38dad what his dad's history was and he
2:15:39was curious and it just the enemy had a
2:15:41hold, you know?
2:15:43Um but,
2:15:45>> [clears throat]
2:15:45>> Joel
2:15:46through his
2:15:47studies throughout his young young life,
2:15:50um became very familiar with the history
2:15:54of the occult,
2:15:55all things Crowley, all that. Uh he's
2:15:58he's a I would call a historian when it
2:16:00comes to the occult. He He's not an
2:16:03occultist, though. I have to say that
2:16:04because people still think that he's
2:16:06He's The people accuse him of like being
2:16:08an occultist to this to this day and oh,
2:16:09he's tricking you, Tony. He's not. I've
2:16:11been with him.
2:16:12We We've prayed together. We've cried
2:16:14together over like
2:16:16the goodness of God, you know?
2:16:18>> Yes.
2:16:18>> Um
2:16:20and
2:16:21he uh
2:16:24he had this
2:16:25desire to create a documentary and it's
2:16:28in production now or editing process
2:16:30now. And I'm in it a few times. Um
2:16:33But, we wind up going to Detroit.
2:16:37We had downtown Detroit.
2:16:38>> Really?
2:16:39>> Yes.
2:16:40Uh because
2:16:41he was chasing this um long story short,
2:16:44um this legend of the of the melon
2:16:46heads. And it he noticed a pattern that
2:16:49places that Crowley documented that he
2:16:52was legends of these melon-headed people
2:16:55were popping up as well and he believed
2:16:57that Crowley was doing some kind of very
2:16:59dark
2:17:00magic with people trying to conjure
2:17:03things, right? And you think about melon
2:17:05heads, big heads, blam.
2:17:07Was he trying to create recreate? And
2:17:09that's me talking, I'm not sure if Joel
2:17:11would say that, but anyways, we wind up
2:17:13going to Detroit
2:17:15because
2:17:17Crowley went to Detroit. Oh, absolutely.
2:17:19Crowley Crowley was setting up shop in
2:17:21Detroit.
2:17:21>> Absolutely. He called Detroit the Aeon
2:17:23of Horus.
2:17:25>> What does that mean, the Aeon of Horus?
2:17:27>> The age of Horus. Aeon means age, but
2:17:30he he felt that Detroit was going to be
2:17:33the city that would represent the new
2:17:36Atlantis the best. Like like, you know,
2:17:39Horus would be the Egyptian equivalent
2:17:42to
2:17:44the Messiah.
2:17:45So, like the false Messiah. So,
2:17:48the age of the false Christ, the age of
2:17:51the Antichrist. He said Detroit
2:17:53was like representative of it, but
2:17:56see at one time,
2:17:57you know, when you think of the statue
2:18:00of Lucifer downtown that they call the
2:18:02Spirit of Detroit,
2:18:04and
2:18:05I got a book that your friend would
2:18:06love, too. It's like a collection of
2:18:08writings that
2:18:10Crowley wrote about and while he was in
2:18:12Detroit.
2:18:13>> He probably already has it.
2:18:14>> Yeah, [laughter]
2:18:14yeah.
2:18:15Yeah, you know, what? He probably does.
2:18:18But, um
2:18:20he called it he called it the Aeon of
2:18:22Horus. If you think about Robocop in
2:18:24Detroit, the connections.
2:18:26The movie Robocop was set in Detroit.
2:18:28The guy got shot up and had to be
2:18:30robotized because Detroit crooks shot
2:18:33him up, right?
2:18:34Detroit was such a bad place to be in
2:18:36that they had to have a robot police
2:18:38force, right?
2:18:40Um
2:18:41then Transformers.
2:18:43Did you know Transformers is also tied
2:18:45to Detroit?
2:18:46>> know that.
2:18:46>> Okay. Yes, it is. Both both in the comic
2:18:49lore and in the movies. It's It's odd to
2:18:52me
2:18:53that some of the scenes that they shot
2:18:55for the first
2:18:57two or three Transformer movies were in
2:18:59Detroit, but Detroit wasn't part of the
2:19:01plot.
2:19:04So, like unless you were a Detroiter
2:19:05sitting in the movie theater,
2:19:07you wouldn't have recognized that, oh,
2:19:09they're [clears throat] in downtown
2:19:10Detroit.
2:19:11>> Mhm.
2:19:11>> You know, and it was in our newspaper
2:19:13and stuff where yeah, you know, they're
2:19:14coming to But,
2:19:16I say that to say
2:19:18Crowley understood something that the
2:19:21Transformers creators understood and
2:19:24something that the Robocop creators
2:19:25understood. That is that
2:19:28the technocracy
2:19:30would be the
2:19:32ruling political
2:19:34uh system
2:19:36in the age of Horus.
2:19:38In this age of the Antichrist. In this
2:19:40In this new Aquarian age. And Detroit,
2:19:44again, looking back from the imperfect
2:19:47eyes of an imperfect man and of a stupid
2:19:50Satanist,
2:19:51he thought that things would continue to
2:19:54progress as they had been and Detroit
2:19:57would would have been seen as the
2:19:58industrial center where you making the
2:20:00cars.
2:20:02This was the machine that took the most
2:20:04parts to make the most resources. It was
2:20:06the most intricate machine and the most
2:20:08expensive machine. And so,
2:20:11using his
2:20:15using his reasoning and also probably
2:20:18receiving demonic impartation cuz they
2:20:20like to tell you a lie.
2:20:21>> Mhm.
2:20:22>> He thought that Detroit was going to be
2:20:24the tech center of the world.
2:20:26And I think that a lot of other
2:20:27Crowleyists or folks that follow his
2:20:30teachings thought a similar thing.
2:20:31>> Yeah.
2:20:32>> Which is where you get Transformers and
2:20:34Robocop. But, it's interesting that um
2:20:37when I brought this up to uh
2:20:39to a friend of mine um
2:20:41another YouTuber named
2:20:43Sorry about that.
2:20:44>> No, you're fine.
2:20:45>> Another YouTuber named uh Days of Noah,
2:20:48he brought to my attention that
2:20:49>> Noah. I think I've heard of him.
2:20:50>> Yeah. Yeah, he He would He was once a
2:20:52viewer that um
2:20:55became his own
2:20:57uh force.
2:20:59Uh to be reckoned with as well. Um,
2:21:02but
2:21:02>> [clears throat]
2:21:02>> me and Days of Thunder would talk about
2:21:03this a lot and he brought to my
2:21:05attention that
2:21:07there were plans to make Detroit a tech
2:21:10center again, which
2:21:12also can be linked to a video game that
2:21:14PlayStation put out that was kind of
2:21:17kind of big called Detroit: Become
2:21:18Human.
2:21:19>> Mhm.
2:21:20>> Which again is about robotics in
2:21:21Detroit.
2:21:22>> Mhm.
2:21:22>> So it's like there's a plan to use those
2:21:25old fittings, those old factories and
2:21:28whatnot to build the robot systems that
2:21:31we're all going to be,
2:21:32uh,
2:21:33flooded with soon and very soon.
2:21:36But the robots are like the statues. You
2:21:40think of the vision that Daniel had
2:21:42of the, uh, statue made of iron and
2:21:45clay.
2:21:45>> Mhm.
2:21:46>> And
2:21:47a lot of people I think have done right
2:21:49to relate that to,
2:21:51um,
2:21:53the singularity. The idea that man is
2:21:55going to bond with machine or, you know,
2:21:57like we see Elon Musk and them moving us
2:22:00toward now. But even more so it has to
2:22:02do with, I think, the fact that they're
2:22:04going to let these machines be inhabited
2:22:08by spirits.
2:22:10Um,
2:22:11as they do with the statues.
2:22:12>> Mhm.
2:22:13>> When Brother Charles and I went around
2:22:15the nation to different places, one of
2:22:17the main places that we had to go to was
2:22:19Birmingham, Alabama. If you have any
2:22:21background in civil rights history and
2:22:24the understanding the civil rights
2:22:25struggle in America, you know
2:22:26Birmingham, Alabama was a very integral
2:22:29part of that.
2:22:30The Lord sent us to Birmingham, Alabama.
2:22:32I had a
2:22:33I had an experience I've never told on
2:22:35no other podcast and it would be honored
2:22:39it would be an honor if I get a chance
2:22:41to tell it on here.
2:22:43We went to Birmingham, Alabama. We went
2:22:45to a lot of places in the South,
2:22:46Tennessee, um,
2:22:49uh,
2:22:50uh,
2:22:51the Carolinas, uh, Virginia, places
2:22:54where, um, slavery had a powerful
2:22:59spiritual imprint
2:23:01on the place. So, therefore, some sort
2:23:04of territorial spirits involving that.
2:23:07And Birmingham was probably the most
2:23:09impactful for me. We were driving around
2:23:12downtown Birmingham. Again, downtown is
2:23:14where you'll find a lot of the signs and
2:23:17symbols of the brotherhood.
2:23:19Especially in your time square. Cuz they
2:23:22call themselves a square man. A square
2:23:24man is a Freemason.
2:23:26Uh But, um we went
2:23:29to downtown Birmingham. My first time
2:23:31there. Brother Charles, he was from
2:23:33South Central. His first time there.
2:23:35Um [snorts]
2:23:37It was me, him, his wife, and his little
2:23:39girl. We went on this journey and went
2:23:41all throughout the South. So, this day
2:23:43we're in Birmingham.
2:23:45And driving around downtown, we didn't
2:23:48always know exactly where to go.
2:23:50We had just got this sense that go
2:23:52downtown and you're going to find the
2:23:56uh
2:23:57the largest collection of demonic
2:23:59statues and whatnot, you know. It
2:24:01wouldn't always just be downtown, but
2:24:03downtown would be like where they kind
2:24:05of culminated. Uh
2:24:07There's strength in numbers.
2:24:09And if you consider these things to be
2:24:11like demonic batteries, you know, for
2:24:13some reason they Well, for a lot of
2:24:15reasons that we can all
2:24:17come up with, they like to put those
2:24:20energy centers in the downtown area.
2:24:23Okay? So, we're driving around They're
2:24:26driving around Birmingham. I'm in the
2:24:27backseat looking around trying to see
2:24:30cuz we all knew here. So, I'm looking
2:24:32looking for something demonic. Looking
2:24:33looking looking. See a whole lot of
2:24:35civil rights statues and whatnot and
2:24:38um places where Martin Luther King did
2:24:40this here and, you know, the NAACP did
2:24:43that there. So, we're driving around
2:24:45looking around and I'm looking and I saw
2:24:47something glint a glint like a sparkle a
2:24:51blink from out the corner of my eye. I
2:24:53looked
2:24:55and I said, "Brother Charles, I said, "I
2:24:57believe there's something on top of that
2:24:58building." I said, "Let's pull over so I
2:25:00can get a better look.
2:25:02So we got out.
2:25:03I walked back because it was up on top
2:25:06of the building, but also in the center
2:25:08of the building that I noted was Alabama
2:25:11Power. Alabama Power would be like their
2:25:14um Con Ed, you know.
2:25:15>> Mhm.
2:25:16>> Um their light company, their electric
2:25:18company. Electric company.
2:25:21So
2:25:22I said, "Uh I said it's some it's
2:25:24something there on top of Alabama
2:25:26Power."
2:25:27So
2:25:29I
2:25:30I'm walking back with I'm walking
2:25:31backwards from the building so I can get
2:25:33that vantage point, you know, where you
2:25:35can kind of see on top.
2:25:37And I saw
2:25:38the head of something a statue a golden
2:25:41statue. I said, "Man, it's a golden
2:25:43statue on top of the building."
2:25:45>> Wow.
2:25:45>> In a position where like a person
2:25:47walking down the street would never see
2:25:49it. Why put that up there?
2:25:50>> Yeah, yeah.
2:25:52>> So
2:25:53you know, they were younger than me so
2:25:55they got to Googling real fast and they
2:25:56Googled and pulled it up. You can pull
2:25:58it up. Alabama Power Electra statue.
2:26:01Pull it up.
2:26:03They pulled it up. It's like, "Oh, look
2:26:05it's it's this Electra." I had done a
2:26:08video about Electra
2:26:10cuz the Lord was dealing with me about
2:26:12electricity and how spirits can move
2:26:14through electricity
2:26:15>> Wow.
2:26:16>> for some reason. And I had done this
2:26:18whole video about Electra called Who's
2:26:20That Lady Electra all about electricity
2:26:23and it's demonic connections.
2:26:26And so
2:26:28um I'm kind of tripping. I'm like,
2:26:29"Okay." I said, "Let me go in here."
2:26:32And as I go inside the building, as soon
2:26:34as you walked in the doggone building,
2:26:36any listeners from Alabama
2:26:38who are familiar with Alabama Power
2:26:40please confirm or deny that this is
2:26:42still inside of y'all electric company.
2:26:46When inside the electric company
2:26:48Brother Tony
2:26:49they had a whole altar set out to
2:26:52Electra.
2:26:53>> No way.
2:26:54>> Yes, they did. They had a mask of
2:26:56Electra. They had a book about Electra.
2:26:59They had this about Electra, a t-shirt,
2:27:01all kind of stuff and it said
2:27:04Electra, the patron spirit of the
2:27:08electric company or something, or of
2:27:10Alabama Power.
2:27:12So, I said, "Interesting." I said,
2:27:13"Okay." So, I bind that in the name of
2:27:15Jesus. I plead the blood of Jesus over
2:27:17that. I'm walking around some more. Not
2:27:20only was it a giant statue on top of the
2:27:23roof where could nobody see, but inside
2:27:26the building, they had another big one
2:27:29standing on a pedestal.
2:27:31I got pictures of all of this.
2:27:33Um
2:27:35I even used shots from the Alabama Power
2:27:38building in my video
2:27:41um for calculator on my on my channel,
2:27:43one of the songs I made some time ago.
2:27:46But anyway, so I'm just saying that to
2:27:48say there's proof of all of this. So, I
2:27:51walked up to it. I mean, it was on a
2:27:52pedestal, brother.
2:27:54Standing tall and gold with her arm up.
2:27:57And I said, "How arrogant of
2:27:59And I went to praying in the name of
2:28:01Jesus and asking for our Father in
2:28:03heaven because we ask. We go boldly to
2:28:06the throne of grace. That means don't be
2:28:08don't be scared. Go to the throne of
2:28:10grace. But you'd be respectful when
2:28:11you're talking to your father.
2:28:13Yeah. And so, I ask, "Heavenly Father,
2:28:16please in the name of Jesus, reach down
2:28:18with your right hand of righteousness,
2:28:19pull down this idol in Jesus' name."
2:28:22And you know, I was praying praying
2:28:24powerful prayers out loud. I didn't care
2:28:25if people was looking at me and
2:28:26everything.
2:28:28And so, left out the building. I told
2:28:30Brother Charles, I said, "Now, I said,
2:28:31we need to do like the walls of Jericho.
2:28:33I feel the Lord saying we need to walk
2:28:34around the building, encircle the
2:28:35building seven seven times and pray."
2:28:37So, we did that. We did that.
2:28:40And you know, after that was done, we
2:28:42went around to a couple of the other
2:28:44spots. The um
2:28:45Civil Rights Museum was right across the
2:28:47street over there, and then they had a
2:28:48couple of other spots. I I do believe
2:28:50that we ended up um binding up a a giant
2:28:53statue of Titan, I think,
2:28:57as well there. I think that was
2:29:00Birmingham.
2:29:01But anyway, so you know, we felt like,
2:29:03"Okay, we found what we supposed to find
2:29:05today, okay? So, let's go back to the
2:29:07hotel.
2:29:08Okay, so we went back to the hotel.
2:29:11Oh, because his little daughter was
2:29:12getting hungry and and sleepy and we we
2:29:15felt like we did our job and so let's
2:29:17go, you know,
2:29:18make sure that the baby's all right.
2:29:20So, [snorts] we get back to the motel.
2:29:22Because we on a mission. Me and him both
2:29:24is out of our minds on a mission, right?
2:29:27So,
2:29:28as soon as we get inside the hotel, I'm
2:29:30talking about I hadn't sat down my bag
2:29:32or nothing. As soon as we get inside the
2:29:34hotel, I get a little ping on my phone,
2:29:37ping ping.
2:29:38I went to look and see
2:29:42YouTube has just blocked your video,
2:29:44Electra, who's that lady?
2:29:46>> Wow.
2:29:48>> A video that I had posted maybe 2 years
2:29:50prior.
2:29:50>> Wow.
2:29:52That
2:29:54>> So, I say that to say for all of you
2:29:57Christian warriors
2:29:58who are [snorts] doing content,
2:30:00understand that there is a spiritual
2:30:02component of YouTube. It's not just in
2:30:05your mind, it's a real thing.
2:30:07>> Mhm.
2:30:07>> Because something happened where after
2:30:10that thing was cast out, it went and
2:30:12told somebody at YouTube.
2:30:14And somebody at YouTube made some action
2:30:16happen.
2:30:17>> Wow.
2:30:19Wow. You know, I I mean that that that
2:30:22really depicts like
2:30:24the the activity of the supernatural
2:30:27realm. It These are not ideas. Like you
2:30:29were talking about like the the idea of
2:30:31statues being possessed and we see that
2:30:33throughout scripture. And these aren't
2:30:36like
2:30:37in scripture, these aren't just stupid
2:30:38people who like talk to a piece of wood.
2:30:41You know what I'm saying?
2:30:42>> Yeah, that's right.
2:30:43>> the the people
2:30:44>> How arrogant of us to think that all the
2:30:46>> Exactly. Exactly. Like if they were that
2:30:48dumb, we wouldn't exist today.
2:30:50>> Say that.
2:30:50>> Like like I mean it's it's just these
2:30:53people had reasons for believing what
2:30:55they believed is cuz they saw things.
2:30:57They communicated with things. Um you
2:30:59got you got to remember like Israel came
2:31:01from Egypt as slaves.
2:31:03>> That's right.
2:31:03>> They they they're not of gods that they
2:31:05were exposed to.
2:31:07>> what all they saw?
2:31:08>> I know. And they they they saw it. And
2:31:11so when like they're in the wilderness,
2:31:13it's not hard for them to revert back to
2:31:16it because that's what they're
2:31:17comfortable with to begin with. This
2:31:18Yahweh is the one that they're like, "I
2:31:20don't know. I mean, I guess we'll we'll
2:31:22walk through the split sea and go in the
2:31:24wilderness. We'll see what happens." But
2:31:26even that they were so familiar with. So
2:31:28like when when Moses goes up on Mount
2:31:31Sinai to receive the Ten Commandments
2:31:33and they rebel and they they they burn
2:31:35the gold or they melt the gold down and
2:31:36all that stuff. Um
2:31:38It doesn't say in the scripture, but
2:31:40there's real reason to believe that they
2:31:42were actually reverting back to Hathor
2:31:44worship because Hathor, the way she's
2:31:47depicted throughout history and what her
2:31:49followers would do for worship is really
2:31:52what is depicted as what they did in
2:31:54Exodus. And on top of it we can go to
2:31:57the Sinai Peninsula now and there are
2:32:00remnants of temples there because when
2:32:02the when the
2:32:04the Israelites were captive in slavery
2:32:07they would travel to the Sinai Peninsula
2:32:09as slaves to be involved in the
2:32:12turquoise mining. And when they would
2:32:14take their slaves there to do that, they
2:32:16would also take their priests and they
2:32:17would build temples. And these temples
2:32:19are to Hathor. So there's a strong
2:32:21likelihood that they were in a location
2:32:23they were already used to worshipping
2:32:25Hathor. And so they decided to create a
2:32:27statue to house their god in, you know?
2:32:31And so like this is all like throughout
2:32:33history. And the fact that you're
2:32:35talking about Alabama
2:32:37doing this very thing like the
2:32:40I understand Alabama is a I I haven't
2:32:42spent much time there. But my one of my
2:32:44best friends, Larry Ragland, has a
2:32:45church down there.
2:32:46Um
2:32:47but
2:32:48it's not like a a giant city like
2:32:51Detroit, right? Um
2:32:53to to think that they would spend the
2:32:55finances on that stuff
2:33:00means that there's reason for it. It's
2:33:02not just wasted money.
2:33:04>> Absolutely.
2:33:04>> You know? Like it's not just whimsical.
2:33:06>> No. No, no, no. It is absolutely. And
2:33:11and you doing what you did, there was a
2:33:14possession in place that was operating
2:33:16for how long? We don't know.
2:33:18And you go on their mission, you're
2:33:21obedient, you break it, and then the
2:33:24repercussion is demonetization on the
2:33:26video, but when when the Lord sends you
2:33:29to work and you do the work, the swing
2:33:32back that you and I were talking about,
2:33:35though the swing back can hurt, it has
2:33:38no effect on us as far as how or
2:33:41shouldn't how we operate. Because we
2:33:43know the Lord sent us, we completed
2:33:46mission, the enemy fought back, and
2:33:49their fight back isn't against you and
2:33:51I, it's against the boss.
2:33:52>> Absolutely.
2:33:52>> So, if he sent us there, we completed
2:33:55mission, he's going to provide, he's
2:33:57going to take care.
2:33:57>> Absolutely.
2:33:58>> You know what I'm saying?
2:33:58>> Absolutely.
2:33:59>> But it it really shows what you just
2:34:01talked about, it really shows the
2:34:02logistics of the enemy's operation.
2:34:04There is an actual kingdom of darkness,
2:34:08there's operational standards,
2:34:10and you got to see a little glimpse of
2:34:12that.
2:34:12>> Absolutely.
2:34:13>> That's crazy, man. That's wild.
2:34:15>> And YouTube is involved. Isn't that
2:34:17something?
2:34:17>> Silicon Valley.
2:34:20>> Isn't that something? But but you know,
2:34:22we should count it all joy if we get a
2:34:24scar in battle
2:34:26for God. Yeah. You know? Like
2:34:30you know,
2:34:32a lot of times I get folks write me and
2:34:33say, "Brother D, I'm going through this
2:34:36spiritual warfare."
2:34:37Oh, you know, and you know,
2:34:39I think people toss that around.
2:34:43There's such a thing as stolen valor in
2:34:46the world,
2:34:47where people like to perpetrate like
2:34:49they're in the military when they really
2:34:51not.
2:34:52And that's really looked down upon.
2:34:54It should be the same way in God's
2:34:56kingdom. You shouldn't be playing like
2:34:58you're in spiritual warfare and you're
2:34:59casting out devils and demons. There's
2:35:01There's There's one guy now, he's under
2:35:02a lot of fire right now, and I don't bet
2:35:04my belief he ever cast out no devils or
2:35:06demons cuz that was one of the things
2:35:07that was kind of keeping people coming
2:35:09to him. Was Was that he claimed he could
2:35:11cast out devils and demons, but he
2:35:12didn't said some some foul stuff about
2:35:15Jesus and some unbiblical things that
2:35:18showed and proved that the Holy Spirit's
2:35:19not working through him. One thing that
2:35:21we need as the body of Christ and as
2:35:23Christian soldiers,
2:35:25we have to have the Holy Spirit.
2:35:29Churches don't teach the Holy Spirit no
2:35:30more.
2:35:31It sound like old school teaching and
2:35:33preaching even to say something about
2:35:34the Holy Spirit. You see these big
2:35:37content creator Christian
2:35:39ministers so-called uh with these big
2:35:42platforms getting on stage like they had
2:35:44a concert somewhere, operating through
2:35:47the power of themselves, being
2:35:49performative, and there's no evidence of
2:35:52the Holy Spirit. There's no fruit really
2:35:55coming from what they're doing that's
2:35:57going that's going to be life-changing.
2:35:59They get a good reaction out of people.
2:36:01They get folks to get emotional. They
2:36:03get a lot of donations. They get big
2:36:05churches. They get a lot of attention,
2:36:07but they don't change people's lives.
2:36:10People who would never change otherwise.
2:36:13People who
2:36:14come from a background
2:36:16like I did, you know. We see that type
2:36:19of stuff and you know, we use that as an
2:36:21excuse to say, "Now see, that's why I
2:36:23don't mess with Christianity."
2:36:25You know, we need real soldiers who
2:36:27operate from the real Holy Spirit, the
2:36:30real spirit of truth. That's what we
2:36:32need more of. We got too much of
2:36:34everything else out here. Everybody want
2:36:36to be in on
2:36:37on this
2:36:39like it's the Christian game or
2:36:40something, you know. It's not a game.
2:36:43You know, you you you as bad as somebody
2:36:45dealing with stolen valor when you step
2:36:47into this and try to act like you down
2:36:49with it and you really not down with it.
2:36:52You know.
2:36:53So, you know, and I'm you know, and I'm
2:36:55honored to have been called. I should be
2:36:57dead.
2:36:58I deserve death.
2:37:00But by his grace and by his mercy, he he
2:37:03he allowed for me to come and fight on
2:37:04his side.
2:37:06So,
2:37:07you know, I don't take it lightly when
2:37:09people play with it at all. And you
2:37:12know, I just want to encourage the young
2:37:14believers out there.
2:37:16Just like anything else that you study,
2:37:18It's cool to study the people that do it
2:37:20now.
2:37:21Whether we talking about hip hop
2:37:24or ministry.
2:37:26But learn the old school.
2:37:29Know something about the roots.
2:37:31Sometimes it's some things that the old
2:37:32school taught that the new school didn't
2:37:34carry on.
2:37:36You can be a a leg up
2:37:38in in your battle if you go back to the
2:37:41origins. You look at the roots. Look at
2:37:43people like Derek Prince. Look at people
2:37:44like Win Worley.
2:37:46You know, there there's some old saints.
2:37:49Look at the Azusa Street Church. There's
2:37:51some old saints that did some things
2:37:53that have not been duplicated.
2:37:55With all the pomp and circumstance that
2:37:57you see with the smoke on the stage and
2:38:00the lights flashing and the big
2:38:01production,
2:38:04it's still some very simple things that
2:38:07only people who operate through the Holy
2:38:09Spirit are are going to be able to do.
2:38:11Simple but effective things.
2:38:14And you know, we need more of a move
2:38:16like that. Uh you know, I'm glad to see
2:38:18a lot of young folks gravitating toward
2:38:21Christ when you know, we were
2:38:23hemorrhaging young people
2:38:25>> Yeah.
2:38:25>> You know, not too long ago.
2:38:26>> Not very long ago.
2:38:27>> You know, so so you know, I'm glad
2:38:29because God know how to get them however
2:38:31he got to get them. He'll use a donkey
2:38:33if he need to. You know, he he used a
2:38:35donkey to talk to the man of God. So
2:38:37some of these donkeys
2:38:39out here are are pulling some people
2:38:41into Christ. And that's by his
2:38:44permissive will. But out of his perfect
2:38:46will, he wants us as Christian folks to
2:38:49be filled with the Holy Spirit.
2:38:52That is the comfort of the comforter and
2:38:54the spirit of truth. And according to
2:38:56John 14:26, it'll bring all things that
2:38:58Jesus Christ said back to your
2:39:00remembrance.
2:39:02And you know, that's that's
2:39:04I think that's one of the most important
2:39:05things that I can say, you know, uh seek
2:39:08the Holy Spirit.
2:39:10Um he [clears throat] Don't let people
2:39:11say, "Oh, he is a she."
2:39:13John 14:26 tells you expressly he shall
2:39:17teach you all things.
2:39:19Um
2:39:20sometimes inclusion
2:39:23creates confusion,
2:39:25you know? Um I tell
2:39:28the women, the sisters out there,
2:39:30don't want to be included in everything
2:39:32that that that's that's male. Some of
2:39:35those things are awful devilish. I think
2:39:37there's a reason that we don't see
2:39:39certain things in the spirit realm.
2:39:42Um
2:39:43like
2:39:48the a woman
2:39:50has a womb.
2:39:53Angel doesn't need a womb.
2:39:56Demon don't need a womb.
2:39:58You You Y'all are a one of one. You're
2:40:00special as it is, you know? You don't
2:40:03have to be the Holy Spirit. You don't
2:40:05have to be an angel, you know?
2:40:08It's It's one reason why the devil hates
2:40:10women so much cuz they are a one of one,
2:40:13this this single creation. It's maleness
2:40:16in the demonic world. It's maleness in
2:40:19the angelic world, you know? They're
2:40:20always appearing as male.
2:40:22But a woman is something special. That's
2:40:24why Satan likes to imitate women,
2:40:27you know? The whole cross-dressing and
2:40:29and uh
2:40:32homosexual ideal and ideology is
2:40:35obviously born from the fallen angels
2:40:37appearing
2:40:39as queen mother goddesses. There's no
2:40:42such thing as There's no such thing as a
2:40:44female Pardon me, as a woman
2:40:47goddess, as a woman spirit.
2:40:50Because a woman has to have a womb.
2:40:53There are spirits that imitate
2:40:55the feminine,
2:40:58but they can't be considered women.
2:41:02Men can imitate femininity.
2:41:05So
2:41:06sisters should be happy being a one of
2:41:08one,
2:41:10you know? God created you for a specific
2:41:12purpose,
2:41:13you know?
2:41:15Maleness and masculinity exist in a lot
2:41:18of forms, a lot of different places, a
2:41:20lot of different ways.
2:41:21But, you know, uh
2:41:23And and, you know, I had a dream
2:41:26one time when I was
2:41:30still in my confusion, but I I think at
2:41:32that time I was studying with the Hebrew
2:41:33Israelites, which meant
2:41:37that
2:41:38aside from any
2:41:40incorrect information I was getting, I
2:41:42was getting the correct information of
2:41:44being pointed to the Bible. Finally.
2:41:47Okay, as opposed to thinking, "Oh,
2:41:48that's a book. Man wrote that book, blah
2:41:50blah blah."
2:41:50It was God used the Hebrew Israelites to
2:41:53break me out of that.
2:41:54>> Mhm.
2:41:56>> And
2:41:58I had a good friend
2:42:00named Brother Kwabena. He since moved to
2:42:02Israel.
2:42:04Um since then.
2:42:06And um
2:42:09after I had this dream, I shared it with
2:42:10him. And I'mma tell you what he told me.
2:42:12I had this dream.
2:42:16You know, I'm just coming out of Egypt
2:42:17and Dr. York and stuff like that at this
2:42:19time. But in this dream, I was I was in
2:42:22some sort of cathedral, it it seemed to
2:42:25be. And I was walking down the aisle
2:42:28toward the altar.
2:42:30And laying on the altar was
2:42:34the most
2:42:36attractive and
2:42:38curvy woman I've ever seen.
2:42:41And I said it because she was laying on
2:42:43her hip like this. And her hip was just
2:42:45like a hourglass. And I remember
2:42:48I was walking up to her and I had a
2:42:50sense like
2:42:51this is your wife or something.
2:42:53And I remember when I got up close to
2:42:55the altar, before I could say something,
2:42:57the scene changed. You know that happens
2:42:59in a dream sometimes, just for no
2:43:01reason, arbitrarily. Now, instead of
2:43:03being in the cathedral, I'm in a field,
2:43:06a green open field with one tree.
2:43:09She's laying up under the tree.
2:43:11Again, laying on her side.
2:43:13And I remember I looked at her.
2:43:16And I thought I was about to mack in my
2:43:17dream. I said
2:43:19I said
2:43:21"What is your name?"
2:43:23And it said to me, "Semjase?"
2:43:27And I woke up.
2:43:29And I remember I had my pad and paper
2:43:31right there.
2:43:33And I wrote down Semjase.
2:43:35It's phonetically cuz I know how to
2:43:36spell it. I wrote s e m y a a h z a y. I
2:43:40wrote it on a piece of paper. And I was
2:43:42like, "You know what? I'm going to write
2:43:44a rhyme, and that's going to be the name
2:43:45of the girl."
2:43:46>> Wow.
2:43:47>> That's what I said.
2:43:49Just so happen my partner Kwabena I
2:43:50called me
2:43:52who was into into the Hebrew Israelite
2:43:53stuff. And I shared shared the dream
2:43:55with him, and he was like,
2:43:58"Bro, that's one of the fallen angels."
2:43:59>> Yeah.
2:44:01>> I was like, "Huh?"
2:44:03He was like, "Yeah, it's in the book of
2:44:04Enoch."
2:44:05And but I say that to say
2:44:08they imitate
2:44:10the female.
2:44:11We say succubus and incubus, and we make
2:44:13a difference between these two spirits
2:44:15that both operate in the realm of lust.
2:44:19But in fact, there's only one spirit
2:44:21that can appear it can present either
2:44:24way.
2:44:27Because again, a woman has a womb.
2:44:30>> [laughter]
2:44:31>> So,
2:44:33um yeah. I just I wanted to share that
2:44:35also.
2:44:37So, yeah, those those are some of my
2:44:38stories and um
2:44:40>> Brother, I I feel like you're like,
2:44:42"Yeah, so those are some of my stories."
2:44:44And
2:44:44>> [laughter]
2:44:45>> I'm like
2:44:46I'm like I don't know how long we've
2:44:48been going, but it's probably like
2:44:49almost 3 hours in, and I'm thinking
2:44:51those are just some of his stories.
2:44:53>> [laughter]
2:44:54>> Uh
2:44:55you
2:44:56you have
2:44:57an amazing testimony, and it's really
2:44:59cool to see what God's doing in your
2:45:01life. Um and you do you are you still
2:45:04traveling around just anywhere, wherever
2:45:07the Lord calls you to?
2:45:08>> I'm when I'm when I'm called, you know,
2:45:10I'm I'm based out of Detroit.
2:45:12Uh but you know, folks call on me from
2:45:15time to time. Um I was just recently in
2:45:17Cincinnati
2:45:19um
2:45:20on a ministry mission there and
2:45:22>> When you say ministry, you're you're
2:45:23talking about like um
2:45:25uh some people will call it like um
2:45:27spirit mapping, like where you're going
2:45:28and you're basically being pulled to
2:45:30taken there by God to
2:45:33break
2:45:34>> [snorts]
2:45:35>> bonds of
2:45:36principalities over a geographical area.
2:45:38>> Yes. Yes, I didn't know there was a name
2:45:40for that. Spirit mapping. Okay, I need
2:45:41to jot that down. But yes, that and also
2:45:45you know, I hate to say deliverance
2:45:47ministry because a real minister
2:45:49knows that ministry involves the casting
2:45:52out of devils. Jesus said, "These signs
2:45:55shall follow them that believe." And the
2:45:56first one was they should cast out
2:45:58devils in my name. He didn't say these
2:46:00signs should follow certain of y'all
2:46:02that's not scared.
2:46:03>> Yeah.
2:46:04>> He said these signs should follow them
2:46:06that believe. That that that implies all
2:46:08of us.
2:46:09>> Yeah.
2:46:09>> But yes, you know, because I'm
2:46:13because I'm
2:46:15familiar with that.
2:46:16Um
2:46:18I've been teaching on it for for many
2:46:20years and
2:46:21from time to time people call me to come
2:46:23out. Which you know, I'm really not a
2:46:25proponent of that. I don't think you got
2:46:27to go see Benny Hinn or you got to come
2:46:29to Detroit to see me. You have the power
2:46:31yourself to do these things. But so but
2:46:34yeah, you know, sometimes I will go out
2:46:36to help folks um
2:46:39get rid of things that they're dealing
2:46:40with. But you know, you don't you don't
2:46:42need me. All you need is the Bible.
2:46:45It's good to have someone
2:46:47um
2:46:47to eldership you, you know, someone to
2:46:50teach you and guide you as I had. But um
2:46:54you know, you don't need to wait on
2:46:56somebody. You don't have to have a
2:46:57certain amount of money. You don't have
2:46:59to have a plane ticket. You know, you
2:47:01can you can open up your Bible. You can
2:47:04call on the Lord. You can ask the Lord
2:47:05to show up and show out in your life.
2:47:08You know,
2:47:09um
2:47:10People said that they like the way that
2:47:12I pray.
2:47:13The only thing
2:47:15is I follow a couple of simple rules,
2:47:16but you don't have to follow no rules.
2:47:18You can talk to God from your heart
2:47:19however you so feel.
2:47:21However,
2:47:22if you are trying to deal with the enemy
2:47:26who's a legalist,
2:47:28there are some things
2:47:30just like in the
2:47:31man's court. You know, you can go in
2:47:34there, you can talk from your heart all
2:47:35you want to.
2:47:36>> Mhm.
2:47:36>> But there's certain words that your
2:47:38lawyer knows.
2:47:39>> Mhm.
2:47:41>> Certain phrases.
2:47:42>> Good.
2:47:43>> So, you know, I like to say in the
2:47:45authority of always beginning there
2:47:48because a demon ain't got to listen to
2:47:49you or me. They older, stronger, bigger,
2:47:52taller, it throws around this room. So,
2:47:55I come under the badge. It's like being
2:47:58a part of part of the military or or
2:48:01part of law enforcement. You know, my
2:48:02badge is in the authority of. That's why
2:48:06I can tell you to go.
2:48:07In the authority of the name of our Lord
2:48:09and Savior Jesus Christ, I ask. Cuz the
2:48:12Bible says to ask.
2:48:15People say, "I command you." That's a
2:48:17false teacher.
2:48:19Turn off the TV. Turn them off. Turn the
2:48:22TV off. Turn the TV off.
2:48:24People talk about some uh uh
2:48:26uh
2:48:27uh
2:48:29"I compel you." Or no, you don't have no
2:48:31power to tell a a demon spirit nothing
2:48:35at all.
2:48:36But through the authority of Christ.
2:48:39See, it's Christ that the spirit have to
2:48:41bow down to, not you.
2:48:43>> Mhm.
2:48:43>> So, you got to word it the right way.
2:48:46Legalism,
2:48:47you know? And then, I will say um words
2:48:50from scripture.
2:48:52Cuz you know, I may think of something
2:48:53eloquent to say, you may think of
2:48:55something eloquent to say, but we ain't
2:48:57going to beat what's in the good book.
2:48:58>> Right.
2:48:59>> So, I like to put a lot of scripture in
2:49:01my prayer.
2:49:03You know?
2:49:04Um
2:49:05And you know, I just advise that anybody
2:49:07else, you know, can follow those same
2:49:10things. I got a lot of videos
2:49:13free on YouTube, of course, and on
2:49:15Rumble where you can
2:49:18you know
2:49:19um
2:49:20hear me teach these things, you know?
2:49:22Especially recently, a lot of my past
2:49:25live streams have been about trying to
2:49:27show people that deliverance ain't
2:49:29something you should be scared of.
2:49:30>> Mhm.
2:49:31>> You know, it ain't something you got to
2:49:32go to Africa for.
2:49:34>> [laughter]
2:49:35>> You know, it's the children's bread.
2:49:39It's the children's bread. We can teach
2:49:40little ones to do it. We should be
2:49:41teaching little ones to do it.
2:49:43>> Mhm.
2:49:45>> So, it don't say these signs shall
2:49:46follow them that believe that's over 18.
2:49:49You know.
2:49:51>> [snorts]
2:49:51>> You know, I think I think that
2:49:53the word of God is very
2:49:56deliberate in its
2:49:58simplicity.
2:50:00And in just taking what it says for what
2:50:02it says.
2:50:04You know.
2:50:05I used to go into the thing, well, let
2:50:07me see what the Hebrew was what the
2:50:08Greek was. Sometimes I may still do.
2:50:11Sometimes sometimes I may look at the
2:50:12concordance.
2:50:14Sometimes for expanded understanding
2:50:16perhaps.
2:50:17But it's all right there.
2:50:19>> Yeah.
2:50:19>> And if the Holy Spirit leads you
2:50:21>> Yeah.
2:50:21>> that that'd be the bottom line. You
2:50:23know, let the Holy Spirit which is the
2:50:24spirit of truth guide you to all truth.
2:50:27And you don't need a translator.
2:50:30>> I agree. I agree. I mean,
2:50:33um
2:50:34it's [clears throat] the word of God.
2:50:36Houses
2:50:37his word.
2:50:38Embodies um
2:50:40>> His spirit.
2:50:41>> uh uh his spirit but like I got like a
2:50:43it's a
2:50:45it's a pathway for him to speak to us.
2:50:49So, let him speak.
2:50:50>> That's right.
2:50:51>> That's right.
2:50:51>> speak. And I and I love looking at the
2:50:53Greek and Hebrew. Um I enjoy for like
2:50:56you said further understanding. Um
2:50:59especially [clears throat] the uh
2:51:02deeper maybe context at times, you know.
2:51:04>> Yeah, right. At times. You're right.
2:51:06>> So, like um
2:51:08trying to think of an example.
2:51:10Uh uh
2:51:12So,
2:51:14I'll use an example that I've used on
2:51:15the show before, but it's the only one I
2:51:17can think of right now. Um my my
2:51:19[clears throat] friend uh
2:51:20uh Rick Renner, he uh he's a pastor over
2:51:23in Russia. He went over there in the
2:51:24'90s when the USSR fell and he's been
2:51:26there since. And um
2:51:29he brought to my attention that
2:51:32the [clears throat] the Greek word
2:51:33sindone
2:51:35is what they used to wrap Jesus in his
2:51:39burial cloth. So, like sindone is burial
2:51:41cloth. And in the Greek, there are a lot
2:51:46of different words you can use referring
2:51:48to cloth, linens, uh robes, whatever.
2:51:51Like with something that somebody's
2:51:52wearing. There's a lot of different
2:51:53words to use. Um and in the book of
2:51:57Mark,
2:51:58uh well, actually and all throughout the
2:52:00New Testament, uh there's different
2:52:03times linen is mentioned.
2:52:06But, only in uh Jesus' burial case was
2:52:11the word sindone used. And
2:52:14the only other time outside of that that
2:52:17Jesus was wrapped in sindone was when he
2:52:20was in the Garden of Gethsemane and they
2:52:22came to arrest him and they asked him if
2:52:24you Are you Jesus of Na- of Na- of
2:52:26Nazareth? And he says, "I am." And there
2:52:30was a supernatural thing that happened
2:52:31there because the entire army falls
2:52:33down. And again, you can go to the Greek
2:52:36side of things where like you can
2:52:38conclude through the words used to
2:52:40describe what who is there that there
2:52:42could have been anywhere between 3 to
2:52:43500 soldiers there, which right there is
2:52:45supernatural. Why are you using that
2:52:46many guys to arrest one man?
2:52:48>> Right.
2:52:48>> But,
2:52:50>> [clears throat]
2:52:50>> that whole scene unfolds, this
2:52:52supernatural scene of this army falling
2:52:55down.
2:52:56And
2:52:57I would say it's like a a supernatural
2:52:59pulse of energy that came out of God in
2:53:02the flesh when he declared, "I am." You
2:53:05know?
2:53:06So,
2:53:07knowing fast forward, knowing that, you
2:53:10know, he gets crucified 3 days later, he
2:53:12under his own power resurrects. Under
2:53:14his own power of resurrection coming
2:53:16back, he brought back saints with him.
2:53:18There were people who were walking
2:53:19around that were once dead and it was
2:53:21testified that this these people were
2:53:23dead and now they're not.
2:53:25So, in the scene of the Garden of
2:53:27Gethsemane,
2:53:28you have um
2:53:30this in Mark 14, you have John 18, I
2:53:33think it is, that describes the scene
2:53:35and also Mark 14. And in Mark 14,
2:53:37there's a detail that's not in John,
2:53:39which is at the end of it, there is a
2:53:41boy that was following behind as they
2:53:43took Jesus away. They tried to grab him
2:53:46and they couldn't and his linen fell
2:53:48off.
2:53:50His sindone fell off. It's the only
2:53:52other time in the New Testament that the
2:53:55word sindone is used outside of
2:53:57describing Jesus.
2:53:59It's and Mark is the one who wrote
2:54:01sindone for Jesus and this boy. So, Mark
2:54:04had a very clear under- standing of what
2:54:07words he had available to use and he
2:54:09chose to use sindone for this boy.
2:54:12Right after Jesus had a supernatural
2:54:14pulse of energy that shot out of his
2:54:15body.
2:54:17And
2:54:18when you look at this idea of okay, so
2:54:20are we talking about was this boy once
2:54:22dead, resurrected and following the one
2:54:24who just raised him? Out of curiosity,
2:54:26why is he even here? And it's like,
2:54:28okay, so I looked into
2:54:31where could there have been graves? And
2:54:33it turns out the entire hillside is a
2:54:37tombstone or it is like a tomb grave
2:54:39area.
2:54:40To this day, where the Garden of
2:54:42Gethsemane is, it's still surrounded by
2:54:44tombs. They estimate about 150,000 tombs
2:54:47are there.
2:54:49And so, it's like
2:54:50when when we're talking about the Greek
2:54:51side of things, it's like or Hebrew, it
2:54:54it's like
2:54:56firmly because I am a retired truck
2:54:58driver that barely graduated high school
2:55:01and yet I know God speaks to me when I'm
2:55:03reading his word.
2:55:04>> Amen.
2:55:04>> And I don't I don't need to know Greek
2:55:07and Hebrew in order for the Holy Spirit
2:55:09to guide guide me through the process of
2:55:11studying who he is, right?
2:55:12>> That part.
2:55:13>> Um
2:55:15I find it fun.
2:55:16>> That's right.
2:55:18>> That's right.
2:55:18>> some of the context behind things
2:55:20because it deepens my faith.
2:55:22>> Yes.
2:55:22>> It it it it's like, whoa, this is even
2:55:25way more impactful now because I'm like
2:55:28you you're actually taking this whole
2:55:30other aspect that Mark's like describing
2:55:33but not explicitly saying and I'm saying
2:55:37I don't know.
2:55:38But that's interesting because we do
2:55:41know that he resurrected himself after 3
2:55:44days and brought people back with him.
2:55:46Could it be the same power that he
2:55:48resurrected his body out of was the
2:55:50power that shot out of his body, knocked
2:55:52out an army, powerful enough to raise
2:55:53the dead? And so, it's just like, do I
2:55:55know? No. Does the scripture scripture
2:55:58say that? No. But, you just have some
2:55:59fun connecting dots and broadens it
2:56:02broadens, but it also deepens your
2:56:03faith. That's right. And so, um
2:56:06Anyways, man, listen, I could talk to
2:56:07you forever, but I think there's tacos
2:56:09next door if you want to have some
2:56:10lunch. And so,
2:56:12uh I would love to um wrap this up with
2:56:14you. I think this was an awesome
2:56:15conversation. It did not disappoint.
2:56:17I've been waiting for this conversation.
2:56:20Uh I I often look through the calendar
2:56:22at times and see who's coming and I see
2:56:24your name and like, oh, yeah, this is
2:56:25going to be fun.
2:56:26>> [laughter]
2:56:26>> This is going to be fun. And so, and
2:56:28that's what I was telling you earlier
2:56:29with like the logistics and everything
2:56:31and how everything kind of played into
2:56:32getting here today stuff, that's like a
2:56:34sign to us anymore. It's like, oh, we
2:56:35know this is going to be a good one, you
2:56:37know?
2:56:37>> Absolutely.
2:56:37>> And so, uh and fortunately for the
2:56:39audience to know, uh logistics for
2:56:41getting people here has been getting
2:56:43increasingly difficult, which means that
2:56:45the conversations are awesome. And so,
2:56:48um
2:56:48I'm just really grateful you said yes to
2:56:50coming down here because when I found
2:56:51you, I wasn't sure, you know, sometimes
2:56:54people say no. Like, I I I have people
2:56:55who
2:56:56um will say, I I I want to pray about it
2:56:58and, you know, maybe they don't get back
2:57:00to me and they say, "Ah, you know, it's
2:57:01not really what I feel." And that's fine
2:57:03because like, if God doesn't tell you to
2:57:06go or he explicitly tells you no,
2:57:09there's a reason for that. And and I
2:57:10don't take it personal cuz it's probably
2:57:11not about me, but more about like his
2:57:13future plans for you and what maybe your
2:57:15travels to me could do for those plans.
2:57:18>> Amen.
2:57:18>> I'm not worried about that stuff, you
2:57:20know? And so, having you come and stuff
2:57:22has just been
2:57:23uh a real pleasure of mine. I'm just
2:57:24glad you you said yes to coming.
2:57:26>> Well, brother, I you know, I'm honored
2:57:28to have been asked. Uh you know, I'm I'm
2:57:30just a humble brother from Detroit and
2:57:31I'm I'm just honored to serve, man. And
2:57:34I I like to meet folks who have a heart
2:57:36for God and a and a joy of the Lord like
2:57:38you do. And you know, I really enjoyed
2:57:40talking to you. It didn't feel like an
2:57:42interview. It felt like a conversation.
2:57:43>> Good.
2:57:44>> And you know, hopefully we'll have more.
2:57:46>> Oh, yeah. I plan I'm glad you said that
2:57:48cuz I was going to ask you off camera in
2:57:49case you let me down and said, "No, this
2:57:50is the last time."
2:57:52>> [laughter]
2:57:53>> You heard it. He said it. So, now,
2:57:55you know, he has to follow through.
2:57:57Uh Dan, I appreciate you being here.
2:57:58Thank you very much.
2:57:59>> The pleasure was mine and and um shout
2:58:02out to the Confessionals podcast
2:58:04>> Shout out your podcast.
2:58:06>> You know what I'm saying? Shout out to
2:58:07the Unplugged Fam
2:58:08Shout out to Detroit 313. What up,
2:58:10though? And shout out to all of the
2:58:12believers all around the world. We are
2:58:14one and we should be one. We shouldn't
2:58:15be fighting with each other. You know,
2:58:17we have more in common
2:58:19um
2:58:20than we have differences. And you know,
2:58:22the kingdom of
2:58:23Satan can show get together with all the
2:58:25differences that they got. We ought to
2:58:27be able to do the same thing. Whether we
2:58:28Hebrew Israelite or uh um charismatic or
2:58:33apostolic or whatever you may call
2:58:35yourself. If you a Bible believer, we
2:58:37should be allies because our numbers are
2:58:40short.
2:58:42And the time is short, too.
2:58:44>> Amen.
2:58:45>> Amen.

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