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0:00that I'm guilty. Yes. Of what? Of
0:02murder. Okay. And who did you murder? Uh
0:05Jiro.
0:06Okay. And And how did you murder him?
0:10With a gun. I shot him in the head
0:12twice. Okay. On December 5th, 2012, in
0:16the quiet town of Asher, Oklahoma.
0:1818-year-old college freshman Janiro
0:20Sanchez agreed to give a classmate a
0:22ride to Walmart in exchange for gas
0:24money. He never made it home. That
0:27classmate was Jared Murray, also a
0:29freshman at East Central University.
0:31What Janeiro didn't know was that Murray
0:33had been planning for weeks to take a
0:35life, any life, just to know what it
0:38felt like to kill. The drive began like
0:40any other, but it ended with three shots
0:42on a dirt road, a panicked cover up, and
0:45a cold confession. This is the
0:48interrogation of Jared Murray.
1:02Hey, Jared.
1:04Yeah.
1:07My name is Under Sheriff JT Palmer and
1:10me and you met on the side of Highway
1:12177 and about Sing Road at about 3:12
1:16this morning, didn't we? Yes, sir. Okay.
1:18And at that time, you made a couple of
1:20statements to me when I put you down on
1:23the ground. And then after we got up, I
1:25read your rights to you. Correct. Uh,
1:27you read my rants before I got up, sir.
1:29Okay. Before you got up off the ground.
1:31Yes, sir. But you did make a couple of
1:32statements before I read yours without
1:35me asking anything. Yes, sir. Um, you
1:38just you told me you was the guy that I
1:40was trying to find. Yes, sir. Okay. And
1:42then I read your rights to you. Yes,
1:44sir. And then rights were you had the
1:46right to remain solid. Then I had a
1:47right sir. Okay. Anything you say you
1:49can we get you in court? Yes sir. You
1:52have the right to talk to an attorney
1:53you have in private will you be
1:54questioned? Yes sir. And if you couldn't
1:56hire for to hire one to be appointed to
1:58represent you. Yes sir. And I asked you
2:00then if you wanted to talk to me. Yes
2:02sir. And you agreed to talk.
2:05Uh at the time I said no. But
2:09didn't I? No. I read your rights to you.
2:14But uh whenever you asked me if I wished
2:16to uh talk with you about it, you said
2:18you didn't know and then you said yes.
2:21Yes. Yeah, that's right. And then you
2:23said yes, I've already told you so. Yes,
2:27I might as well. Is that correct? Yes.
2:29Okay. And at that and during that talk,
2:32do you remember what you told me after I
2:33read your murder warning to you? Uh not
2:35word for word, but the effect. Yes.
2:37Okay. And what do you remember telling
2:38me? Insummation that I'm guilty. Yes. Of
2:42what? of murder. Okay. And who did you
2:44murder? Uh Jiro. Okay. And And how did
2:49you murder him? With a gun. I shot him
2:52in the head twice. Okay. Uh three shots
2:55were fired, one missed. And where did
2:57you shoot? Where was this? Did it where
2:59did this happen at? Uh around 5 milesi
3:03north of Asher, Oklahoma on a side road.
3:07Do you know what that side road's
3:09called? No, sir. Do you know what's on
3:11the corner of that side road? Uh power
3:14uh station, sir. Like a substation
3:17substation? Yes, sir. Okay. And does
3:19that road go all the way through? Uh no,
3:21sir. It turns left. Okay. And did you
3:25have knowledge of this? Yes, sir. Okay.
3:27Are you from that area? Yes, sir. And
3:30your mom and dad's house is not too far
3:32from there? Uh maybe half a mile to 3/4
3:35of a mile, sir. Can Can you get to your
3:37mom and dad's house by going down that
3:38road? Uh yes, sir. Okay. Um
3:44and you indicated me you shot this guy
3:47while he was driving his pickup down the
3:49road. Yes, sir. Okay. Okay. And that's
3:51basically what you told me on the side
3:53of the road. Insummation. Yes, sir. And
3:55in fact, we did find we already had
3:58found a pickup and there was a body next
4:00to it in a ditch. Yes, sir. Okay. And
4:03that's what we're going to talk about
4:04now. Is that Yes. Are you okay with
4:07that? Yes, sir. So, you're agreeing to
4:09talk to me again? Yes, sir. Okay.
4:12Jared, give me your full name. Jared
4:14Lindrith Wayne Murray. Okay. And what's
4:17your date of birth? Uh, July the 20th,
4:201994.
4:22Okay. And
4:24do you live with your mom and dad? H. Do
4:27you stay with your mom and dad? Uh, no.
4:29I live at the dormitories in uh college.
4:32Uh, before then I lived with my
4:34grandparents in uh town in town of
4:36Rashford. Yes. Okay. Um,
4:40what do you use for an address? Uh, the
4:43my parents house. Yes. And what is that
4:45address? 400 40055
4:49Ingram Drive.
4:52Uh, Astro, Oklahoma 74826.
5:00England. Yes. I N G R A M.
5:06I N G I N G R A M.
5:13Okay. Um,
5:16and so you go to school at East Central?
5:19Yes, sir. And is this your first year of
5:21college? Yes, sir. So, you're a freshman
5:24at East Central? Yes, sir. And you said
5:26you stayed in some dorms? Yes, sir. And
5:28what's the name of your dorm? Uh, sorry.
5:29Dormatory, sir. Can you spell that for
5:31me? Uh, P E S
5:34A G I, I believe, sir. T E S A G I E P E
5:39S P E S uh
5:43A G E I Okay. And that's Ana. Yes, sir.
5:48Okay. And the young man that you stated
5:51to me that you shot twice in the head?
5:53Yes, sir. And his name, do you know his
5:55full name? Uh, no, sir. I only know his
5:57first name. And his first name is what?
5:59Janiro. I do not know how to spell that,
6:01but it is with a G. Okay. And do you go
6:04to school then? Yes, sir. And do you
6:05stay in the same dorm? Uh, the same
6:08building, sir. Same build. And what's
6:09your dorm number? Uh, 463 uh D 463B D D.
6:15Yes, sir. Do you know his? Uh, no, but I
6:19know it's in E section. E section.
6:22And how do you know him? Uh
6:27towards the beginning of the year, we
6:29met in a mutual friends room uh playing
6:31video games, sir. Okay. And do you take
6:35any classes with him or No, sir. Okay.
6:38So, you know him through a mutual friend
6:41and you guys know him in the same dorm?
6:42Yes, sir. Different different sections?
6:45Yes, sir. But it's literally right down
6:47the hall. And so, do you spend quite a
6:48bit of time together? Uh no, sir. No,
6:50sir. Okay. Um, the pickup that was he
6:56was in tonight and you was in, was that
6:57his pickup or your pickup? I'm fairly
6:59sure it was his, sir. Okay. And you
7:00remember what kind of pickup that was?
7:02Uh, black. Okay. I'm sorry. I don't
7:05Okay. You don't know? I don't know much
7:06about cars. Oh, yeah. But single cab.
7:09Single cab. Black uh dent on the uh
7:12passenger side. Okay. And can you go
7:15back and tell me how you two got hooked
7:17up tonight or I think this is actually
7:21um
7:25we're talking right now. We're at almost
7:276:00 in the morning. So can you go back
7:29and tell me when you guys got together?
7:31This would have been maybe around
7:34maybe around 9:00 yesterday evening.
7:38So on the 5th. Yes. Uh
7:45um maybe it was closer to 10. Okay. 9 to
7:4810. How did you guys I went down to his
7:52dorm room and asked if I could be given
7:55a ride around to Walmart in exchange for
7:57$20 gas money. Okay. And did he agree to
8:00that? Yes, sir. Okay. And did he in fact
8:02take you to Walmart? Yes, sir. We got in
8:04his pickup truck and he drove me to
8:06Walmart. So, you're talking about
8:07Walmart? Yes, sir. Okay. And that's a
8:09couple miles from the school. Uh
8:142.2. Uh no, 1.7 miles, sir. 1.7 miles.
8:19Yes, sir. Okay. Um now, so he took you
8:22to Walmart? Yes, sir. And did you both
8:24go in? No, we did not go in, sir. Okay.
8:27And why not? We pulled into the parking
8:29lot, then I pulled the uh weapon on him
8:31and demanded that he take me to Asher,
8:32Oklahoma, sir. And when I did, all of a
8:34sudden, did you decide you need to go to
8:37Asher?
8:50because I was planning to take him out
8:51into the country and kill him. Okay. So,
8:58when you got him at the dorm, was your
9:02intention
9:03never to go to Walmart? Yes, sir.
9:06you was in fact was you at that point
9:10already in your mind was going to take
9:11him and kill him? Yes, sir. Um had he
9:15done something to you that No, sir.
9:18Okay. So, you just
9:22can you kind of tell me when you made
9:24this decision that you was going to take
9:26him and kill him?
9:28Why? Uh I made the decision 3 days prior
9:32to the incident. uh attempted it two
9:34days prior to the incident, but he was
9:36not in his room and then did so today as
9:39he was in his room. Okay. So, you've
9:42been you've been praying this for 2
9:44days? Uh 2 weeks? Yes. Two weeks. But
9:47not with the selected individual. No.
9:49Okay. And when did you get to the point
9:51where you knew it was going to be him?
9:53That was three days prior to the
9:54incident. And why him? All the kids in
9:58college here. Why? Why him?
10:03I believed that he would have had the
10:04least impact. Sir, the impact of what?
10:08Uh I believed he didn't have many
10:11friends or many close friends I should
10:14rephrase and as his as he is going
10:18missing his absence would be less
10:22notable. Okay. So
10:25what if tomorrow school nobody would
10:28thought anything of it? Uh that was the
10:30plan sir. Yes.
10:32And so why did you choose to take him to
10:35Asher to kill him when uh my plan was
10:39for after uh my killing him, I was going
10:41to head north towards Canada and Asher
10:43was further north than Ada. So okay, at
10:46that and I know the surrounding terrain
10:48and I knew a good spot. Uh I didn't have
10:50that spot planned in particular. If I
10:52had planned that far ahead, I would have
10:54had a grave duck. But I knew a general
10:57area. Okay. So, you brought him to that
10:59area because you knew that area because
11:01you was raised there? Yes, sir. And
11:03that's the road that you would travel
11:04going back and forth to your mom and
11:06dad's house. Uh, no, sir. I would travel
11:08the road further to the south of it.
11:10Just the road one south to it. That's
11:12the road I would travel going to my
11:13mother's house from the school uh on my
11:15bus route. Sir, what I'm saying you is
11:17familiar with that road? Yes, sir. And
11:19where it would go to
11:22not much traffic on that road at this
11:23time that Yes, sir. Uh, the only people
11:26that go on that road are those that live
11:28on that road, sir. And you knew that?
11:30Yes, sir. Okay. So, when you pulled the
11:32gun on him at Walmart in the parking
11:34lot? Yes, sir. Um, what did you tell
11:37him? I told him to take me to Asher.
11:40Asher. And did he say anything? Uh, he
11:44panicked. Uh, went to pull out his
11:46phone. I yanked the phone out of his
11:48hand. And then he panicked some more.
11:52Kept telling me not to kill him. To make
11:53him feel more comfortable, I unloaded
11:55the clip, unloaded the bullet from the
11:56chamber, handed them over to him, and
11:59that eased his nerves a little. Then I
12:01pulled a second clip out of my pocket,
12:03and set it on my lap.
12:05Okay.
12:07And
12:10And you drove to And he So he drove you?
12:12Yes, sir. And did you have any
12:14conversation between Ada and the entire
12:17time was a conversation, sir. And was it
12:20basically what Can you tell me what that
12:21conversation was? uh about from
12:25ada to halfway to it was just my trying
12:28to reaffirm him that I wasn't going to
12:30kill him to calm his nerves and then
12:33from that point on we was talking on our
12:35upbringings ourh past our family
12:38histories uh things of more
12:40philosophical nature etc etc okay
12:50so did he say any when you had him to
12:52pull pull off of the main highway onto
12:53this dirt road. No, sir. Uh before this
12:57time, I had uh pulled out his phone and
12:59uh pulled up his GPS and showed him
13:01where I lived to make him feel more
13:03comfortable, sir. Okay. And so when you
13:06turn west off of 177 and there's, we've
13:09already talked about this. There's a
13:10substation there. We didn't pull onto
13:12that road, sir. We pulled onto the road
13:14to the south of it, drove past Turkey
13:16Hill one road, turned left, uh went to
13:19around where the Bows lived, made
13:21another left, past Woodland Lake
13:23Estates, went straight, and then went
13:25down that road from the other direction.
13:27So you came in from the west side of
13:31where the pickups at. West heading east.
13:33Yes. Okay. And
13:38so you're headed east on what is known
13:41as substation road, which is the road
13:43where the pickup Yes, sir. is at now.
13:45Yes, sir. Um, so you're heading east and
13:49he's driving. Yes, sir. You're on the
13:50passion side. He's got some bullets that
13:54you gave him. He had a clip and one
13:56round. Yes. Okay. And where was it at?
13:59Uh, in his left hand, sir. Okay. And you
14:02had the gun? Yes, sir. And what kind of
14:05gun was it? Uh, Springfield Armory XD40
14:09Smith and Wesson 40 caliber. Okay. And
14:12you had the gun and another magazine,
14:14but you didn't have the magazine in the
14:16gun. I did not have the magazine in the
14:17gun. Every 5 to 10 minutes, he had me uh
14:21put my finger in the hole where the clip
14:23goes and uh showed that the round it
14:26wasn't chambered. Okay. And so you're
14:29driving east and so I guess at some
14:31point
14:33did you decide it was now was the time?
14:35Yes, sir. Okay. And what happened? Uh I
14:38loaded the gun quickly. Chambered the
14:40round quickly. Uh shot once, missed,
14:43shot a second time, hit, jumped out of
14:46the car, went around. He was driving 10,
14:4815 mph, so it was rather slow. Uh ran
14:51around the hood of the car, and of
14:53course it was slow when he wasn't
14:54purposefully driving. uh tried to pull
14:57him out. Couldn't get him out until he
14:59already had hit the tree. Pulled him out
15:01there. Dumped him into the uh no before
15:03I dumped him into the ditch, I heard him
15:05girdling. Uh I'm not sure if that was a
15:07physiological or physical process after
15:09death. But uh I thought that he might
15:12have still lived through that somehow
15:15because he was gurgling. So I shot him
15:17again and then shoved him down in the
15:18ditch. I then got his phone. Okay, hang
15:20on. Let's back up just a second. Yes,
15:22sir. Um you fired the first round. Yes,
15:24sir. And you missed? Yes, sir. Do you
15:26know where that round hit? Uh, I believe
15:28it hit the top of the door, but it might
15:29have hit the window. Did the window
15:31bust? The window did bust, sir, but I
15:33don't remember if that was the first or
15:35the second round. Okay. So, you fired
15:37once and missed? Yes, sir. And you fired
15:39a second round? Yes, sir. And did you
15:41hit him then? Yes, sir. And you hit him
15:43in the head? In the side of the head?
15:44Yes, sir. Okay. So, it would have been
15:45hit his right hand. It was around here,
15:47sir. The right hand side of his head?
15:49Yes, sir. Somewhere by the ear. Yes,
15:51sir. And he was he kind of started
15:55veering off the road to the uh left,
15:57sir. Okay. And that's when you got out
15:59and ran around. Yes, sir. And you opened
16:02the door? Yes, sir. And you tried to
16:04pull him out? Yes, sir. And
16:07so when you shot and he was still
16:09gurgling? Yes, sir. So, was he setting
16:12up when you shot him at it again? No.
16:15Sir, he was lying down on the ground.
16:16So, you pulled him out of the truck and
16:18just threw him on the ground and then I
16:20heard him gurgling, so I shot him a
16:22second time. And where did you hit him
16:23the second time? Uh, I'm not certain,
16:25but I believe the head as well. Okay.
16:27The front, back, side. Uh, I believe it
16:30was the same side as before. The same
16:32side as before? Yes, sir. So, you you
16:34think you hit him twice or you know you
16:36know you've hit him in a fact once in
16:38the head? Yes, sir. And then the second
16:40round is probably in the head area, too.
16:42Yes, sir. Okay. And then you rode him
16:44down the ditch. Yes, sir. And what did
16:46you do then? I uh grabbed his phone from
16:49inside the vehicle. I was going to put
16:51it on the ground and uh shoot it as
16:52well, but uh I have a bit of night
16:55blindness and didn't see the steepness
16:56of the hill that where it started to
16:58veer down. So when I threw it down, it
17:00slid down the hill and landed uh screen
17:02side down, so I wasn't able to find its
17:04location. Okay. So his phone is
17:07somewhere around his body. Uh yes, it
17:09should be. It might be underneath his
17:11body. Okay. And did you
17:16do something with the body after that?
17:17Uh, yes sir. I repositioned it and then
17:19I tried to cover it. Uh, admittedly not
17:24well with the leaves, dirts, and stick.
17:28Okay. A stick. Yes, sir. There was a
17:30stick on the side of the hill. I just
17:31grabbed everything on the side of the
17:33hill and pushed it on top of them. Okay.
17:35Now, when you say a stick and I was at
17:38the scene, I went down there and you
17:40know that. Yes, sir. Um, we actually
17:42brought you back down there and had you
17:44set in the car down there. Correct. Mhm.
17:46And there is a stick. Oh, it's about
17:50three foot long about inch inch and a
17:54half in diame.
17:58Is there any particular reason that
18:00stick it had blood on it? Uh, it could
18:02be because I rolled his body on on top
18:04of it cuz if it was on the side of the
18:06hill, his body would have crossed over
18:08it. Uh, I couldn't think of any reason
18:09in particular, though. Okay. So, you
18:11didn't hit him with a stick or do
18:13anything with him with a stick? No, sir.
18:14Okay. So, that stick just ended up on
18:16top of them. Yes, sir. So, it's possible
18:18you could roll them over on it and then
18:21when you was covering them up, that
18:22stick just ended up on top of the body.
18:25It ended up on top of them because the
18:27way I covered up. Yeah. And so,
18:32after you got the body covered up, what
18:34did you do then? I um headed back to the
18:38truck and tried to get it unstuck. So
18:40you put it in reverse and tried to and
18:42then drive and tried to and it it wasn't
18:45going. So uh after that I looked So when
18:49you say it wasn't going, it was because
18:51it was stuck. Uh I believe one of the
18:54wheels was off the ground and it wasn't
18:56making traction. Okay. And so you could
18:58get the truck out. So what did you do
19:00then? I uh looked to the left and uh
19:02from the headlights I saw that I could
19:03still see his own shirt. So, I covered
19:05them up better. And uh as I was
19:08finishing that, I saw the headlights
19:09from a car pulling over the uh hill. So,
19:12I went down. And which way was it coming
19:14from? It was uh heading east uh west
19:18from the east side, so from the highway.
19:21And uh he was slowing down already, so I
19:24just came out as quickly as I could from
19:25behind the truck and uh flag him down by
19:28waving my hands. And uh he asked what
19:31was going on. I told him that I had
19:33drowsed uh dozed off and uh bearded off
19:37the road and couldn't get my uh truck
19:39unstuck. Then uh
19:43he was uh
19:46I think he uh I don't think he knew
19:48exactly what happened, but I don't I
19:50think he knew how he did something.
19:52Maybe stealing. I don't know. Uh because
19:54like you said, uh no one travels down
19:56that road. Um did you know him? No,
19:58sorry, I did not know him. But since no
20:00one travels down that road and he most
20:01likely lived in that area, he knew that
20:03I didn't. Okay. So, most likely he uh
20:07was suspicious just from that fact alone
20:09cuz I had no business being on that
20:10road. But uh he agreed to give me a ride
20:13to Asher nonetheless. Uh more
20:16specifically, he didn't agree to that
20:17until his phone didn't work. Uh we
20:20pulled up to about the highway. Then he
20:24uh dialed a number for me. Uh, I gave
20:27him a fake number. That way it wouldn't
20:29answer. And if it did answer, then I
20:31could just make something up. Uh,
20:33whenever it didn't answer, it was a
20:35phone that was out of service. Uh, he
20:38agreed to take me into Asher so I could,
20:40uh, get my cellular phone. I don't own a
20:42cellular phone. To, uh, call someone
20:44that I knew that could get me out. Okay.
20:46And what did he take you to in Asher?
20:48Uh, my grandparents house. Okay. And
20:51what is your grandparents name? Uh,
20:53Ethel. Uh, I don't know if it's Long
20:56Roll or Roger Canal. Okay. And so he
20:59took you and what and what do you know
21:01their address in Asher? Uh, 306 East Sal
21:04Street. Okay. And that's where he took
21:06you to? Yes, sir. Okay. And you got out?
21:08Yes, sir. Okay. And what did you do
21:10then? I went into the house. I had a
21:12Coca-Cola.
21:15I called my roommate from college and
21:17told him that I had an accident and
21:18wondered if he could uh either get me
21:20out of the ditch or knew anyone that
21:21could get me out of the ditch. And
21:23what's your roommate's name? Uh Shane
21:25Shroth. Okay. Then uh does he have a
21:28cell phone? Yes, sir. And do you know
21:30that number? Uh not off the top of my
21:32head, sir, but if I had a phone, I could
21:34tell you. Uh it's like a
21:37one I know.
21:42All right, I can tell you it now. Uh
21:441405 694359.
21:48694 0359.
21:52And what's his name again? Shane
21:54Schroth.
21:57And he goes to school there. Yes. He
22:00also graduated from Asher with the class
22:03with your you and we talked before and
22:06you didn't actually graduate from Asher.
22:08Yes, sir. Okay. But you would have
22:09graduated with him. Yes, sir. Okay.
22:11What's your last name? Uh, Schroth. S C
22:14H R O T H.
22:18Okay. So, he knew you from Asher. Yes.
22:20Okay. And we were roommates also in
22:21college because uh we were fairly good
22:23friends. Okay. So you guys in the same
22:25dorm, same room. Yes. And so you told
22:28him you were stuck? Yes. I told him that
22:30I had ran my car off a ditch and asked
22:31if you knew anyone that could uh get me
22:33out. Do you own a car? No, sir. Did he
22:36not know this? Uh
22:39he didn't ask, sir. Okay. And what did
22:43he tell you? He uh said he would try to
22:45call his uh mother to see if his father
22:48could do it for me. And uh they were
22:51asleep so there was no answer. So uh at
22:54that point I decided I should go off on
22:56my own. Okay. And uh I got that can of
22:59WD40 and was uh going where did you get
23:02this can of WD40 at? I stole it from his
23:05parents.
23:08Okay. Let's back it up just a second.
23:09Yes sir. Okay. Cuz you said you was at
23:11your grandparents. Yes sir. Okay. How
23:13did you get to his parents house? Uh he
23:15lives on the other side of Asher. I
23:17walked Okay. And when you say the other
23:19side of Asher, help me out. East of
23:22Asher, West Asher, north or south Asher.
23:25Okay. South of South and quick stops.
23:27No, it's in the town. Just on the south
23:30side. Okay. You don't know their
23:31address? No, sir. Okay. So, you walked
23:34after
23:35I'm just trying to make understand this.
23:37Okay. So, you called him from your
23:40grandparents house? Yes, sir. And then
23:42he tried to call his parents. Yes, sir.
23:44And no answer. No answer, sir. So, you
23:45were at your grandparents house? Yes,
23:47sir. And you walked to his mom and dad's
23:49house. Yes, sir. About how far is that
23:51from your grandparents house? Not far at
23:53all. It's uh maybe 8 to nine blocks. I
23:58don't know mileage there. And you walked
24:00to their house? Yes, sir. And did you
24:02knock on the door or I just got the
24:05count of WD40. And where was it at?
24:07Outside, sir. On porch or uh they live
24:10in a trailer house, sir. It was to the
24:12right of their entrance way. just
24:14sitting on the ground or uh sitting on
24:15top of milk, right? Okay. So, but it was
24:18in a yard ve. Yes, sir. Okay. And so,
24:22and why did you get the WD40? Uh WD40 is
24:25a solvent. It would uh help degrade the
24:28orals from my fingers and uh get rid of
24:30my fingerprints, sir. Okay. So, you're
24:33going to take this kind of WD40 and go
24:35back to the crime scene and use WD40 on
24:38the pickup? Yes, sir. To try to get rid
24:40of your fingerprints? Yes, sir. Okay.
24:43And did you do that? Uh, no sir. When I
24:47was on my way back, as opposed to going
24:49down or directly to it, I cut through a
24:51forest area uh there by an abandoned uh
24:54trail house. And uh as I was entering
24:57the uh general area of the crime scene,
25:00I heard uh I believe it was an elderly
25:03gentleman cough. I'm not sure who, I'm
25:05not sure what. I just left because well,
25:09around that area, the man who gave me a
25:10ride to town was an elderly gentleman. I
25:12concluded he might have went back and uh
25:14the headlights and the brake lights were
25:15still on. I thought he might have went
25:17to turn them off. Uh so my battery
25:19wouldn't die.
25:21And then he saw the uh at least the
25:24blood. Probably the body though. The
25:26body wasn't well hidden at all. Okay.
25:29That's the conclusion I reached anyway.
25:30You was in the woods? Yes, sir. And so
25:33you don't really know who it was. I just
25:34heard an elderly gentleman cough. Could
25:36you see the pickup? No, sir. Okay. So
25:39you couldn't you couldn't see the
25:41pickup? No sir. And so you'd been on
25:44Were you on the south side of the road
25:46in the woods? Yes, sir. And so, but you
25:49never could see the pickup again or know
25:51who was there? No, sir. Okay. So, what
25:53did you do then? I headed back uh east
25:56instead of south. Took a different route
25:57to get out of the wooded area. Uh ran
25:59under barbedwire fence, jumped the
26:01barbedwire fence. Uh headed south along
26:04another barbwire fence I found next to
26:05the highway. Well, you couldn't see the
26:07highway, but you could easily hear it.
26:08and I could see the substation from
26:10there pretty clearly. Uh headed south
26:12along that, came across another barbed
26:14wire fence, jumped it and uh then headed
26:16to where I started out at at that
26:18abandoned trailer house there. Then I
26:20walked away. I headed north. Okay. The
26:23abandoned trailer house, is it south of
26:25the substation? Yes, it's south of the
26:27substation. About how far? Uh maybe 100
26:29yards. And you know what side of the
26:31road it's on? Um
26:34west side. West side. Okay. It's uh up
26:37the ways a little. It's in a there. You
26:40know how Detroit houses out in the
26:41country, they'll have driveways that
26:42lead to them. So, I'm not sure if you
26:44can see it from the highway or not, but
26:46and the driveways run down. I happen to
26:48know no one lives there, so I figured
26:49that was the perfect uh vantage point to
26:51get to the crime scene again. Yeah. So,
26:55did you get back on the highway? Yes,
26:56sir. And which way did you go? No, sir.
26:59And what were your intentions walking
27:01north? Canada, sir. You was going to
27:04Canada? Yes, sir. Okay. I had hoped that
27:07uh by determining that I was heading
27:09south, you went to Asher, you would have
27:12known my grandparents house and I was
27:15hoping that uh
27:17my name would probably show up somewhere
27:19in the course of this little thing. I
27:21didn't expect it to be found so quickly.
27:23Uh why didn't you think it would be
27:24found? Uh I didn't think someone would
27:26drive down that road. uh in my original
27:28plan. Okay. Uh I gave myself maybe 6 to
27:318 hours to uh get out of the area, but
27:34uh since it was found so quickly, at
27:36least I believe so at the time, I didn't
27:39want to revise the plan because I had
27:40headed south originally going into town.
27:43Okay. And uh I was hoping you'll think
27:45that I was heading towards Mexico as
27:47it's much closer and probably easier to
27:50get past the border. Okay. And so you
27:52was walking north on 1727? Yes, sir. And
27:56what side of the road was you on? I was
27:57on the right side of the road, sir.
28:00Okay. So, if you're going east side,
28:01east side, and you was walking. Yes,
28:03sir. What happened then? Uh, I had tried
28:06hitchhiking uh part of most of the way
28:08because the only way this was going to
28:10work uh factoring in uh my belief that
28:13you all found the crime scene is if
28:14someone were to give me a ride there and
28:16then. Uh, however, that didn't happen.
28:19Uh, most of the people were truckers, so
28:21they just kept driving. They have a
28:23place to go. And uh then whenever your
28:26patrol car uh was pulling up behind me,
28:28I didn't know it was a patrol car. I
28:30stuck my thumb out and you was there for
28:32the rest.
28:35And that's when I um that's when me and
28:38you first came in contact, correct? Yes,
28:40sir. And
28:43you advised then to get on the ground,
28:45correct? Yes, sir. Okay.
28:48And that's when I I had you put your
28:50hand behind your back. Yes, sir. And
28:51then when I approached you, I asked you
28:54for my safety and your safety, did you
28:55have a gun? Yes, sir. And you said no.
28:58Yes, sir. And you remember what else you
28:59said? Uh,
29:03I might have mentioned the ammunition in
29:05my left pocket, sir. Yes, sir. And then
29:07what else? Uh,
29:11I'm the one you're looking for.
29:13And
29:15at that point, I told you to be quiet.
29:18Uh, and I got you read your rights to
29:22you. Oh. Uh, is that correct? I'm not
29:25sure. But if you're saying it's correct.
29:28No. Do you remember that conversation
29:30that when you said No, sir. I said,
29:33"Well, hang on just a second." Uh, yeah.
29:35He did say that. Yes, sir. I can read
29:36your rights to you, sir. And I read your
29:37rights to you at that point. Yes, sir.
29:39Okay. I wasn't aware you was telling me
29:41be quiet. I thought he was just saying,
29:42"I need to read your rights." But I I
29:44told you, do you remember me saying be
29:46quiet for a second? Uh yeah, hold on a
29:48second. Something to that effect. Yes.
29:50Okay. Uh
29:53did Jared um where we've talked about
29:56this and you told me the gun you have
29:58the gun in the pickup. Yes, sir. Okay.
30:01And and we you've talked and and I've
30:04told you that you know you've already
30:06told us about the homicide. Yes. And you
30:08you told us about shooting them. Yes,
30:11sir. The gun's not in the truck.
30:14It was in the truck, sir. And so I need
30:17to know where that gun's at. When I left
30:19the scene, it was in the truck, sir. It
30:21was still in the truck. It was still in
30:22the truck, sir. Where was it at in the
30:24truck? It was uh
30:28I believe it was on the center console,
30:30but it's possible it could have been
30:31between the driver's seat and the center
30:32console. Okay. Cuz the center console is
30:35pushed up. It's not down. Uh I don't
30:39remember that. Okay. Well, you kept
30:41saying it was on the center console. To
30:43be on the center console, the center
30:44console would have to be in the down
30:46position, correct? Yes, sir. But the
30:48center console is up.
30:51So, was it up or down when you was
30:53there? I think it was down, sir. Okay.
30:56So,
30:59but your intentions, can I ask you why
31:02you had to gun there if you just killed
31:05somebody and you get to Canada? Because
31:08the man pulled up too quickly, sir.
31:11Okay. And then was that your gun? Uh,
31:13no, sir.
31:17And where did you get that gun from? I
31:19stole it two weeks ago from a man named
31:22Daniel Davis. Uh, 217 North Division
31:26Street. Now, where's Division Street?
31:29Uh, it's the uh if you're going down 18
31:32and what town is it in? Abama. And his
31:35name's Dan Davis. Yes. And how did you
31:38steal it from his house? Uh I went into
31:40his house. Uh he his family and my
31:44family were on good terms. I just walked
31:45in the door and uh went back to his
31:47mother's room and told her that I had a
31:49video game to return to uh Daniel. Then
31:52I went into Daniel's room, put a video
31:54game that I brought with me as a way to
31:58get into the door and got the gun. Okay.
32:02And
32:04so was it in a box or was it uh Yes,
32:07sir. It was in a uh case. Okay. And
32:10where's the case at? Still at his house,
32:12sir. Okay. So, you took the gun out of
32:14the case? I took the gun in two clips,
32:15sir. Okay. All the clips. And where? So,
32:18there's just two. Yes, sir. And where's
32:20there ammunition in them? Uh yes, sir.
32:22There was 12 rounds in each clip. Uh
32:24since I fired three rounds from that one
32:27clip, that means there's nine rounds in
32:29it. Should be. And the other clip uh had
32:3111 rounds in it because one was
32:33chambered and the other round was I
32:36unchambered it and handed it to him.
32:38Okay. Now, when I brought you in here
32:40and we was uncuffed and you was just
32:42checking the pockets of your jackets to
32:44make sure you didn't have any weapons in
32:46your pockets, correct? Yes, sir. And I
32:48pulled out this can of WD40 out of your
32:50um right coat pocket. Yes, sir. And in
32:53your left coat pocket, there is a purple
32:56crown rural bag. Yes, sir. And I took
32:58that out of your pocket. Yes, sir. And
33:00can you tell me what's in here? Uh,
33:01Smith and Morrison 40 caliber rounds,
33:03sir. And was them part of the rounds
33:05that you stole the guns? Uh, no, sir. I
33:08bought those 2 or 3 days later off of a
33:10friend of mine, sir. Just that that many
33:13rounds. Uh, that plus what was in the
33:15clip, sir. So, there was 12 and 124 plus
33:18whatever in there. Okay. No, but you
33:20said that there was already the
33:21magazines already had bullets in them.
33:23No, sir. I loaded them with the bullet
33:24uh ammunition I bought, sir. Okay. When
33:27you stowed the gun in the magazines,
33:29there was no bullets with it. No bullets
33:30were in it, sir. Okay. So, you what was
33:32in the two magazines? Nothing, sir. No.
33:35Oh. As for the ammunition, yes, sir. And
33:37what's in here? You you bought off of a
33:40friend? Yes, sir. And do you know his
33:41name? Uh,
33:44not off the top of my head, sir. Does he
33:46go to college? No, sir. It's I call him
33:49a friend, but he's just
33:51a guy. And where's he from? Uh, Ada,
33:54sir. Yeah. Do you know how to get a hold
33:56of him or? Uh, no sir. Okay. It's a guy
34:00I know through a guy. I just got the
34:03word out. I was looking for some
34:04ammunition and then Okay. A friend of
34:07mine sold it to me. So, do you know how
34:08many rounds are in here? Uh, no sir. I
34:11believe there is anywhere between three
34:12to six though. Okay. So, there'd be
34:15without pulling them out there somewhere
34:16between three to six rounds of 40
34:18caliber ammunition. Correct. Yes sir.
34:21Okay. And your intentions is the gun
34:23when you got around in Dasher after you
34:26shot um this young man that the gun was
34:30still in the truck. Yes, sir. And with
34:32the magazines. Yes, sir. Uh one of the
34:34magazines. Uh as he was holding one of
34:37the other magazine, I believe it fell
34:40out of the truck whenever I pushed him
34:41out. He I didn't see it in the
34:43floorboard before I left because I was
34:45trying to gather it all up. But uh
34:51I think he might still have it in his
34:53left hand. I know his left. Okay. But
34:56but at the crime scene
34:59in the oven, the magazine that was in
35:01the gun. Yes. The one round that you
35:03hand them. Yes. And then the full
35:05magazine that he hit. So we're talking
35:07about a total of how many rounds? You
35:09said there was was both of them had 12
35:11in it. Yes, sir. So there we should have
35:14we should had you fired three rounds,
35:16correct? Yes, sir. So there should be 21
35:19rounds and two magazines there and a
35:22gun.
35:25Uh yes sir. Plus well there Yes sir. 21
35:29rounds and two magazines and a gun.
35:31Okay.
35:33Um and also in your pocket um there was
35:37a
35:39debit card. Master card has a name Jared
35:42Murphy. Murray. Murray. And that's you
35:45correct? Yes sir. Okay. And this is
35:47yours? Yes, sir. Okay. All right. Here,
35:50I'm going to ask you to just sit here
35:51for just a second and I'll be right
35:52back. Okay. Yes, sir.
36:13Okay.
36:14A couple of things I really need to tie
36:16down. Yes, sir. I believe you. You're
36:19being honest with me. I really You tell
36:20me stuff that that
36:27I have no
36:29qualms about what you tell me except for
36:32a couple of things. I know for a fact
36:34you didn't get the WD40 from the front
36:37yard. You're right. I planned on keeping
36:39him out of this, but I did go into his
36:42house. He did give it to me. And yeah,
36:46we say who? And when you say him, who
36:48you? Uh the parent of the friend that I
36:50called, Shane's Shane's father, the
36:54stepfather. Yes. And you know his name?
36:56Uh Michael Norris. Okay.
37:00And what did you tell Michael? I uh told
37:03him about what had happened and asked
37:06for his opinion on my next course of uh
37:08action. Okay. You mean you told him what
37:10happened? What do you mean? The murder.
37:12I told him about. So you told you told
37:14Shane's father about the murder you just
37:16did? Not the specifics, but the general
37:19picture. Yes. Okay. Can you you remember
37:21what you told him? Not exactly, but I
37:23mean I didn't tell him I fired three
37:24shots, missed one, shot him in the head.
37:26Not all that. I just said that
37:29I got a truck. I killed the guy for it.
37:32It's in the ditch.
37:34Okay. Did you tell them how you did it?
37:36Uh, I don't remember, but I might have.
37:39Okay. And this is real important. Now, I
37:41want you to think about this cuz you
37:43said you're trying to keep him out of
37:45trouble. Yes, sir. And I don't know more
37:47than you think I know. Yes, sir. So,
37:52I'm still got the gun. Yes, sir. It's
37:55not in the truck. It was when I left the
37:58scene. That was the whole point of him
37:59taking me back so I could get it. Okay.
38:01So, he took you back to the scene? Uh,
38:04no. He said you No. Uh, here you drove
38:07me to the abandoned house that I spoke
38:09of. Yes. Okay. So, Mr. Norris gave you
38:12the count of WD40. Yes, sir. And I
38:14believe he probably got that from his
38:16bathroom of his house. Uh, I'm not aware
38:18of where he got it, but if that's where
38:20he says, then yeah. Okay. And so, he
38:23drove you from Azure back to
38:26the area scene. Just south of where you
38:29were turn on substation road. Yes, sir.
38:31And that's where the abandoned dry house
38:33is on the west side. Yes, sir. And so
38:35you got out of the car and walked up
38:38through the abandoned dry house down
38:40through the woods. Yes, sir. And then
38:42that's when you heard somebody cough.
38:43Yes, sir. Okay.
38:46All right.
38:48There is a note wrote on a piece of
38:50paper on a like a business card on a
38:52passenger side window stuck
38:56on the pickup. The window's up and
38:59there's a note stuck in there. It says,
39:00"Come to the house at the end of the
39:02road.
39:04Did you write that? No, sir. Huh? No,
39:07sir. You didn't write that? No, sir. You
39:09have any idea how that note could have
39:11got there? No, sir. I don't think
39:13anything like that was there whenever I
39:15left. Okay. So, is it possibility that
39:18the gentleman uh Yes. When I was on the
39:21way back into Asher, he had told me that
39:23some thieves stole about $1,000 worth of
39:25guns of his and that he was looking for
39:27them and if he found them, he would kill
39:28him dead on the side of the road. Then I
39:30said $1,000 is a fair amount of money
39:32and he said it didn't matter if it was
39:3350. He doesn't like thieves. Okay. Um,
39:38so is it possible that he could have on
39:39his way home to get a stop and wrote
39:41that note? Yes, that's a possibility. I
39:44won't deny that. Like I said, I thought
39:45it might have been him that called the
39:47police. Uh, I still don't know if it was
39:50or not, but I thought it might have been
39:51him. He went to turn my lights off and
39:53then saw the blood and then called. But
39:56uh
39:58if he did write that note, then I don't
40:00think he would have called the police.
40:02Okay. All right. I just want to go over
40:05a couple of points with you and then
40:07we're going to take another break. Okay.
40:09Yes, sir. Um and you started this out
40:13that um you actually
40:18had this on your mind about 3 weeks.
40:20Yes, sir. And you just didn't know who?
40:24Yes, sir. Okay. Uh or when or where?
40:27Well, I had a general idea of the area,
40:29but that was picked out about a week
40:31ago, sir. Okay. And was that picked out
40:33because of just being familiar where the
40:36surroundings? Yes, sir. Okay. And so,
40:39let's go back to our victim, the young
40:41man that you killed Jero. Um, you just
40:46basically picked them out because
40:49you thought that you nobody would miss
40:51him if I understood what you uh in
40:54general. Yes, sir. Okay. And you told me
40:57that on the way to you guys talked from
41:00Ada to Asher. Yes, sir. About your
41:02upbringings. Yes, sir. Um, was your
41:05upbringing any different from his? Yes,
41:07sir. And what was the difference between
41:09your upbringing and his?
41:12Nothing major. I mean, we didn't talk on
41:15the topic of upbringings for very long.
41:17He just said that he was uh always fat
41:19and overweight and got made fun of it.
41:21So, he had confidence issues. And then I
41:23said I never Well, I had that problem,
41:25but
41:27that problem stopped in about the fifth
41:29grade. So, yeah. And why did it stop? Uh
41:32the bullies that picked on me and I beat
41:34them up. Okay. Was that a dasher? Yes.
41:37Okay. So you basically you beat him up
41:40not because you just wanted to beat him
41:41up but because they was making fun of
41:43you. Uh to stop them from making fun of
41:45you. Yes. Okay. I can understand that.
41:47Um let me have you done any other thing
41:50that's been violent? Uh yes sir. Uh the
41:54mutual friend that I talked about that I
41:55know him through. Uh his name is
41:59Wyatt Freeman. He lives across the hall
42:01from me. I don't always remember. It's
42:03directly across the hall though. uh
42:06maybe a month a month and a half into
42:08college. Uh we had hung out almost every
42:10night, play video games. It was all fun
42:13and games, you know, and uh
42:18I was talking to him and then the topic
42:20of fighting was brought up and then he
42:22said, "If I got you in a chill code, you
42:24would tap out." And I said, "I'm not
42:25going to tap out." And then he got me in
42:28a choke coat. And I was knocked
42:30unconscious. And when I woke up,
42:32everyone in the room was laughing at me.
42:34And then he said that there was no way I
42:37was knocked unconscious in that short
42:38amount of time. And then I punched him
42:41in the face. And then he pushed me away
42:43and told me to get out of his room. Then
42:44I spat in his face and left his room.
42:46And then he came to my room and had a
42:49flashlight that I I dropped out of my
42:51pocket. And uh was holding it and said,
42:54"This is your flashlight." I went to
42:56reach for it. He pulled me into the
42:57hallway and was going to beat me for it.
42:58And then I told him that I was going to
42:59let him beat me and then whenever they
43:01came to break it up, I'd be the one with
43:02all the injuries and it would be his
43:03fault. Okay. And then uh the East
43:08Central University police responded to
43:10that. Okay. And his first name is what?
43:13Uh Wyatt. White. I'm not quite sure how
43:16to spell that. Freeman is his last.
43:18Okay. Um
43:20J, I want to ask you just point because
43:23I mean you you sit here and confess to
43:28pretty much everything in my mind. And I
43:30think you might agree with me, says Cole
43:32Rder killed a young man tonight. Yes.
43:35All right. Have you ever killed anybody
43:38else? No, sir. Okay. Have you ever
43:40thought of it? Uh, more myself than
43:42anyone else, sir. Okay. And when's the
43:45last time you thought about killing
43:46yourself? 3 weeks ago, sir. Okay. And
43:49what was going on 3 weeks ago? Nothing
43:52in particular. My grandfather died
43:54recently, but that's not related to it.
43:55Before his death, I had similar thoughts
43:58almost as frequently. Your grandfather
44:01is the same grandfather that that you
44:04caught the ride to back to his house
44:06tonight or a different one? Uh, yes. My
44:07grandparents house. He lived there with
44:09my grandmother. Yes. Okay. So, your
44:11grandfather's dead? Yes, sir. And so,
44:12your grandmother is by herself? Uh, she
44:14had a friend over, but yeah. But Okay.
44:17Um, okay. But let me let me ask you
44:20this, J. Are you are you taking any
44:22medications for any mental illness? No,
44:24sir. Have you ever? No, sir. Do you take
44:28drugs? No, sir. Have you ever taken
44:30drugs? Uh, I smoked marijuana in my mid
44:34to early teenage years. When's the last
44:36time you smoked marijuana?
44:39Maybe six years ago, maybe five. You
44:41ever done any other type of drugs? No,
44:43sir. Um, you're not on any medication?
44:46No, sir. Just an abuterol inhaler for
44:48asthma, sir. You do have asthma? Yes,
44:50sir. Okay. Um
44:53so
44:55um
45:00when you
45:02let's go back to 3 weeks ago when you
45:04you you you started praying that you was
45:07going to kill somebody. Yes, sir. And
45:08you just didn't know who or when. Yes,
45:10sir.
45:12What made last night
45:15the time and who? Uh I kind of
45:18understand. As I stated earlier, uh it
45:21wasn't necessarily last night. I made
45:23the decision to do it. And who 3 days
45:25ago and I tried? No, maybe t Tuesday. I
45:28made the decision Tuesday. Uh this whole
45:31saying days ago because it's a different
45:32day than it was yesterday. It was
45:35Tuesday that I made the decision it
45:36should be him. He wasn't in his dorm. I
45:38didn't try again. No,
45:42maybe I did try again the day after. I
45:44don't remember the days anymore. It was
45:45Tuesday. I made up my mind though on who
45:47it was and I tried that night. Okay. And
45:55I guess I'm having a hard time
45:56understanding
46:01what you got out of it.
46:04Can you can you can you help me?
46:07I don't really get anything out of it. I
46:09mean, but why?
46:12If you really want to get some self
46:14gratitude or something, why did you do
46:17it? I guess is what I'm asking. If I'm
46:20pressed to answer, I'll say it's to
46:22prove the strength of my resolve. But
46:25that's only if I'm pressed to answer.
46:28I'm not pressing you. I'm just trying to
46:29understand. Then I don't know why. Okay.
46:32So, it just popped in my head and popped
46:35in your head and you Yes, sir. Okay.
46:39But it's never popped in your head
46:40before. Uh, not other people, sir. No.
46:43That you've that you you've never killed
46:45before? No, sir. Animals? No, sir. I've
46:49never hunted. I know how to hunt. I know
46:51how to make bone arrow. I know how to
46:54uh fuel dress animals and whatnot, but
46:56I've never hunted before. No. Okay.
46:58Well, when we was talking before, you
46:59indicated to me you did not graduate
47:01from No, sir. I flunked out. Okay. So
47:09when you say franked out, was that
47:10because you just couldn't do it or you
47:13just I didn't want to do my own. The
47:15teachers at the school as well as all
47:16faculty admitted that I was the smartest
47:18person there. They knew I could do the
47:19work. I didn't see the point of doing it
47:21if they already know and everyone knows
47:22that I could do it. Well, that was my
47:24next question because it don't make
47:26sense somebody that would frank out of
47:29school would be at East Central uh that
47:31summer. Uh and I've been going to an
47:35organization called overbound math and
47:36science uh since maybe 3 years ago. Uh
47:41and what you're doing brown and steel.
47:44Yes, that's uh they have it in both
47:47upperbound and upper bound math and
47:48science. It's obviously
47:51college also does the same thing. So
47:53yeah, but I don't think you can get the
47:54math and science at seinal state. I
47:57think that's just all it's just upper
47:58bound. Yeah. Okay. So, you've been going
48:00to East Central up uh for three years.
48:03Yes, sir. So, and uh what kind of grades
48:06are you making at college right now? Uh
48:08I believe I filled everything except for
48:09choices and won't sir.
48:12Is or you failed everything by choice?
48:15Yes, sir. And why is that?
48:19Laziness, I would suppose, sir. Okay.
48:21Didn't feel like going to classes? I
48:23mean, if I was already up in the central
48:26area to eat a meal, I would go to
48:27classes because it's not like I have a
48:29problem going to classes. It's from the
48:31dorms to the central area. I was too
48:33lazy to travel that distance.
48:40Not because you couldn't do the work.
48:41Not because I couldn't do the work. I
48:43was passing most my classes before then.
48:46And what was your ambitions or your
48:48dreams to be? Uh, I had hoped to, uh,
48:52become a chemist for the Department of
48:53Defense.
48:58Kind of hard to do in, can it?
49:02Wouldn't you agree? Yes, sir.
49:07And I want to ask you this, and you can
49:10answer if you want. I just I'm having a
49:12hard time. Yes, sir. Do you feel any
49:14remorse?
49:19I'm sad that I got caught so quickly,
49:24but that's almost lessened by being
49:26caught by someone who had a sheriff on
49:27their jacket. So, but for killing them,
49:29no. Okay. So, it it makes you feel
49:32better that you know somebody had
49:34sheriff on their jacket that arrested
49:35you? Yes, sir. Opposed to what? A deputy
49:39or someone like that, sir?
49:43Okay. Well, I'm not the sheriff. I'm
49:45aware of that. Uh I'm the undershirt.
49:47The uh person driving me up here told me
49:49that. But still, it's So it makes you
49:52feel better that you got caught by
49:54somebody up in rank than somebody under.
49:56But my question again is do you have any
49:58remorse? No, sir.
50:03For a minute. Okay. Yes, sir.
50:17back in, bro.
50:20Okay? Yes, sir. Uh, my left thumb's been
50:23numb since we got to the crime scene.
50:26What? My left thumb has been numb since
50:27we got to the crime scene. I know. I
50:29don't know. I figured when the cuffs
50:31came off, feelings would return to it.
50:33But in this area, it's still numb. I
50:37probably just need to work it. Well, I I
50:39have it. Have you ever been cuffed
50:40before? No, sir. Okay. So, you ain't
50:42never been in trouble? No, sir. So, I
50:45run a record on you. I'm not going to
50:47find anything on you. You might find
50:48that assault from a couple months ago,
50:50but that' be it. Okay. That was when you
50:51and the guy in the dorm got into it.
50:54Yes. About the choke code. Yes, sir.
50:56Okay. Um I tell you, since you go to
50:59college, you probably have a computer,
51:00correct? I have a laptop, sir. Okay. And
51:03it's probably at your dorm. Yes, sir.
51:05Okay. Um, and I know we've talked about
51:08this kind of in general about
51:11you didn't know who it was going to be.
51:14Yes. Or when it was going to be, but you
51:16kind of knew where. Yes, sir. And then
51:18you tried this Tuesday night. Yes, sir.
51:22And then he wasn't there. So he was
51:24home.
51:26This is now Friday morning. So it been
51:27Thursday night. Yes, sir. Okay. and
51:33and I've talked to you some about were
51:36there going to be others
51:38and
51:39and you know and you you made the
51:41statement earlier that you was happy
51:43that you got caught by somebody in the
51:46rank of statute sheriff's office. So
51:49then you understand that I'm going to do
51:50my job thoroughly. Yes, sir. I
51:52understand that completely. And that
51:53means that I'm going to end up getting a
51:56search warrant for your computer. Yes,
51:57sir. I understand that. And so if
52:00there's it I'm g
52:04searching your computer we are we gonna
52:06find anything where you had any
52:11um ideas of wanting to do a mass
52:12shooting in a school? No sir. Or you was
52:15going to kill anybody else? No sir.
52:18Okay. Why would you want me to believe
52:20that this was just going to be a
52:22one-time thing since you planned this
52:25for 3 weeks
52:28and if I Tuesday night you knew who and
52:32you knew when but it failed. Yes, sir.
52:36Tell me why I should believe you that
52:38there just was going to be one person
52:40that was going to suffer from your
52:42consequences of killing. You have no
52:44reason to believe me, sir. I agree. But
52:47so
52:49but you're trying to tell me that just
52:50that you just going to do it one time
52:51and that was going to be the end of it.
52:53Yes, sir. Okay.
52:57So I'm not going to find anything on
52:58your computer that's going to be
53:01or when I go to college when myself and
53:04this team from the DA's office goes to
53:06the campus and we talk to everybody that
53:10you're associated with in the dorms. Um,
53:13nobody's going to tell us that. Well,
53:15he's talked about a school shooting or
53:18killing some people. I'm not going to
53:21find that. No, sir. Okay.
53:24So, uh, that said, I have been asked by
53:26people, uh, including at school if I I'm
53:29a murderer or ever plan on it, but I've
53:32never planned on it since 3 weeks ago,
53:34and I've never killed anyone. So, the
53:36answer's always been no. I've never been
53:37sure if it was jokingly or seriously
53:39that said. Okay.
53:42I guess I'm just having a real hard time
53:45understanding why
53:50why him.
53:58Well, if it was a random person, there's
54:00the possibility you could have uh
54:02children or something of that nature. Uh
54:06if it was someone else up there, they
54:09have a lot more friends. are a lot more
54:10social. So,
54:14so
54:17to kind of just by his quoted status of
54:20not really having many friends or or
54:23being social,
54:25it was a good victim.
54:28His presence would be less noticed. Yes.
54:30Okay. Okay.
54:34Uh, that said, he did have a girlfriend
54:36and some friends.
54:40Yeah. You don't think his girlfriend
54:42would have missed him? Uh, I wasn't
54:44aware of his girlfriend until uh
54:46tonight, sir. Oh, so he told you before
54:48you killed him? Uh, no. Uh, the entire
54:51way down there. Uh, I haven't had the
54:54phone at Walmart. The entire way down
54:55there, uh, she was texting him, so I was
54:58texting what he told me to text back.
55:01Okay. So there was a conversation
55:02between um his girlfriend and
55:08actually you but you was texting what he
55:12wanted to Yes. Okay. Okay.
55:17You don't think she's going to be
55:21upset, heartbroken? I think she will be,
55:23sir. How' that make you feel? No
55:27difference, sir.
55:29Okay.
55:52I'm about done. You get ready to start
55:54doing some department work. Yes, sir.
55:56Um, and you know, we've been together
56:00since about 3 this morning. And and
56:04you've I think you've been honest with
56:06me. I think you've told me just straight
56:09up right out of the book on
56:12what happened. Yes, sir. And, you know,
56:15I think you
56:19think you pretty much was right on quue
56:22on everything you told me. Um, Yes, sir.
56:25the only
56:27thing I caught you in was the WD40 can.
56:30I hope to keep him out of it, sir. And
56:33and I appreciate that. But um
56:38you know, you've done a terrible thing
56:39tonight. Yes, sir. Um you killed a young
56:42man. Yes, sir. Just for the simple fact
56:45of
56:47I guess much pretty much this is for
56:50you.
56:51Yes, sir.
56:53And
56:55what do you think should happen to you?
56:58Death sentence, sir.
57:01And why do you think you deserve death
57:03sentence? An eye for an eye, sir. Do you
57:06believe an eye for an eye? Yes, sir.
57:11All right.
57:14We'll be getting you taken out to the
57:15jail here shortly. Okay? Yes, sir.
57:26Hey, one more question. Just this ain't
57:28got nothing to do with this. Do you know
57:30the young man that you shot cell phone
57:32number? No, sir. Okay. Okay. And so, but
57:38when he found the ditch and you dropped
57:40the phone, it fell down in the ditch by
57:42the body. Uh, I believe so, sir. Yeah.
57:44Can you tell what kind of phone it was?
57:46An iPhone, sir. It had a uh outside
57:49casing around it, but not a too thick of
57:51one. Okay. What color was it? Black.
57:54Okay. You said it ran it face down.
57:56That's why you would have been able to
57:58find it. Yes, sir.
58:19do one more thing for me. What's up?
58:23Just a history deal. Would you just fill
58:25that out for me? Uh,
58:31just your name, address, city, phone
58:34numbers, and stuff like that. All right.
58:36Just kind of
58:46[Music]
58:48Uh, I got some questions about this
58:50paperwork about what uh I didn't know
58:52what to put under investigator date. Uh,
58:55earned hair color or the bottom line.
58:58Okay, that's no big deal. I'll throw
59:00that in. Well, I didn't even know if
59:01that was hair color. I thought it might
59:03be hair length, hair color, both. I
59:04didn't know.
59:17Yeah. Hey, we just needed your general
59:19information on her name and all that.
59:22you want
59:26over here.
59:32After the interrogation, the facts were
59:34chilling and undisputed. Jared Murray
59:36told investigators he had planned the
59:38murder for weeks. He didn't know Jiro
59:40Sanchez well. He simply chose him.
59:44Murray said he wanted to know what it
59:45felt like to kill someone. He admitted
59:48to everything, luring Sanchez with a
59:50ride, unloading the gun to calm him,
59:52then using a second magazine to fire two
59:55shots, one missing, the other hitting
59:57Sanchez in the head. When Sanchez was
1:00:00still breathing, Murray fired a final
1:00:02round to end his life. Afterward, he
1:00:04tried to cover the body with leaves and
1:00:06dirt. He accepted help from strangers.
1:00:09He used WD40 to try to erase his
1:00:12fingerprints and then he tried to flee
1:00:14the country only to flag down a
1:00:16sheriff's car by mistake and confess on
1:00:18the spot. Jared Murray was charged with
1:00:21first-degree murder. He was found not
1:00:23guilty by reason of insanity. In 2015,
1:00:27he was committed to a state mental
1:00:28health facility in Venita, Oklahoma. In
1:00:322022, he was approved to leave for day
1:00:34treatment. One student was left buried
1:00:36in the woods. The other walked away
1:00:38under psychiatric supervision. If you
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