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0:07On October 8th, 2023, a routine trip
0:11home from Hartsfield-Jackson Atlanta
0:13International Airport ended in a deadly
0:15[music] roadside emergency along
0:17Interstate I-85 in Troup County,
0:19Georgia.
0:2171-year-old [music] Andrew Stankiewicz
0:23had just arrived from Texas and was
0:24traveling south in a Cadillac Escalade
0:27with his wife, Teresa, and her son, John
0:29Thomas Cloud.
0:30>> [music]
0:31>> Teresa was driving, Andrew was seated in
0:33the front passenger seat, and Cloud was
0:35sitting directly behind him.
0:37During the drive, [music] the Escalade
0:39pulled onto the shoulder of the
0:40Interstate. Not long afterward,
0:42>> [music]
0:42>> Andrew was rushed to Wellstar West
0:44Georgia Medical Center in LaGrange,
0:46where hospital staff found him
0:48unresponsive inside [music] the vehicle
0:50with gunshot wounds.
0:51The Escalade immediately became a
0:53critical [music] part of the
0:54investigation.
0:55Detectives began examining the damage
0:57inside the SUV, [music]
0:59the positions of its occupants, and the
1:01sequence of events between the airport
1:03and the hospital.
1:05Only [music] two people remained who
1:06could explain what happened during that
1:08roadside stop.
1:09Investigators [music] needed to
1:10determine where the gunfire came from,
1:13who was responsible, and whether [music]
1:14the account they were being given
1:16matched the physical scene.
1:18Now, detectives sit down with the man
1:20who had been seated directly behind
1:21Andrew. This is the interrogation of
1:23John Thomas Oliver Cloud.
1:26>> All right.
1:28Well,
1:28so is this yours?
1:30>> Uh, that's my mom's.
1:31>> Your mom's?
1:32Okay, can you get that off of there?
1:34>> Yes, ma'am.
1:36>> And then who is that? Whose is this?
1:37>> That was Andy's.
1:39>> Why is it in here?
1:40>> I I don't know. She brought it with her.
1:42>> She did? Okay. All right.
1:46All right, so tell me your name.
1:48>> Take the cloth off.
1:48>> Uh
1:50it is John Thomas, J O N T H O M A S,
1:53Oliver Cloud.
1:55>> So John Thomas is one
1:57>> Yes, ma'am.
1:58>> Is one word?
1:59>> Yes, ma'am. J and T is capital.
2:02>> Thomas.
2:03>> Okay.
2:04>> You want to write your last name?
2:05>> Cloud. Like the clouds in the sky. C L O
2:07U D.
2:07>> All right. And what's your date of
2:08birth?
2:09>> Uh October 30th, 1993.
2:11>> And your social?
2:17All right. I'm Captain Ellington with
2:19the Sheriff's Office. Um what we're
2:20going to do is
2:23I'm going to need your phone.
2:25>> Oh.
2:26>> And what's the code of your phone?
2:28>> Oh. Um sorry. 0845.
2:30>> 0845?
2:32>> Yes. What do you need my phone for?
2:35>> Part of the investigation.
2:38All right. He is going to do a gun
2:39what's called a gunshot residue kit on
2:41you. And what it is is if you shot the
2:44gun,
2:45there'll be residue on your hands and
2:47arms.
2:47>> Mhm.
2:48>> And we're going to get that off of your
2:49We're going to do that and get that off
2:50of your arms.
2:51>> Okay.
2:55>> And then once that's complete, we're
2:56going to go to We'll get you checked in
2:58at our office so we can
3:01we can talk.
3:03>> I got one.
3:04>> What's your What What do you do, John?
3:06>> I'm currently on the police
3:08>> Okay.
3:08>> and getting on the Hollis Police
3:09Department.
3:11>> Okay.
3:35And you just drove here from the Miss
3:37Death Straight Possible, right?
3:38>> That is right here.
3:40The Sheriff's Possible.
3:44>> Huh?
3:44>> So, how does this residue kit work?
3:47So, there's a microfiber that is on the
3:50end of this. It picks up any kind of
3:52gunshot residue
3:54or anything like that off the hand and
3:57collects it on to it, stores it,
3:59and then it gets tested at the lab.
4:32>> You said your name is John Thomas, one
4:33word?
4:34>> John Thomas is one word, JT is capital.
4:37Jailyn, sir.
4:39>> Jailyn?
4:39>> Yes, sir. Jailyn.
4:44>> Cloud?
4:45>> Yes, sir.
4:49>> So, you got a
4:50>> What's the deal?
4:51So, what do you need my phone for?
4:53>> It's a standard investigation, man.
4:57Every investigation, especially one
4:58where situations like this, we check
5:00people's phones.
5:11>> I said he's from the investigation
5:12division?
5:13>> Yes, sir.
5:13>> That's pretty cool.
5:17>> So, you're unemployed right now, John?
5:19>> Currently.
5:19>> Okay.
5:20>> I'm getting out of the Columbus Police
5:21Department and I am training to be a
5:23civilian as a bus driver.
5:25>> You're employed?
5:26Okay.
5:26>> Over there.
5:30It's It's hard getting work, man.
5:32>> Okay. Yeah, but I was unemployed for a
5:34while, I understand.
5:35>> Yeah, but wait 3 months and my previous
5:38employer said, "Oh, hey, we'll get back
5:40to you. You're in the background phase,
5:41you know."
5:42>> Yeah, it takes a little while for the
5:43background to get done for law
5:45enforcement.
5:49>> Sure.
5:58My captain talked to you in a little
5:59bit, okay? That's our captain. Latina is
6:00our captain. She's over us, so.
6:07>> Will I get my phone back?
6:09>> Probably, yeah.
6:10>> I was like I got it.
6:13I was in the middle of responding to
6:14something right before when you guys
6:15walked in.
6:31What are you going to do? Just check
6:32like text messages and stuff?
6:34>> We got We also have to figure out where
6:35this had happened after we were saying
6:37you also you put the
6:39you put it in your GPS to get you to a
6:40hospital after this, this whole It'll be
6:42a lot of a lot of stuff.
6:43>> The the location that
6:45>> Yeah.
6:45>> were where you were when you first put
6:46it in and then everything like that is
6:48>> Yeah.
6:48>> is going to be a main
6:50part of the
6:50>> Yeah.
6:51>> who conducts an investigation, okay?
6:53Right now, we're we're preliminary
6:55because we don't know where the crime
6:56occurred at.
6:57>> Right.
6:57>> Um so, but we want to collect
6:59>> That That sounds really crazy.
7:00>> I would have kept them.
7:01>> Oh. We want to collect as much evidence
7:04as possible to uh
7:07either
7:08handle our investigation or um
7:11assist a another agency's investigation.
7:15Right now,
7:16where this happened.
7:25>> Uh
7:26Google Maps.
7:28You use Google Maps?
7:29>> Yes.
7:29>> Okay.
7:30>> If that helps any at all.
7:31>> Yeah.
7:32>> It'll show everything that I tried to
7:34look up.
7:35Everything from
7:36screwing up the gate.
7:38Like I wasn't Like I don't really go to
7:40Atlanta airport.
7:41>> Mhm.
7:41>> Used to go as a child but like we're
7:43going the wrong way around. I didn't
7:44know I had to we had to go to Concourse
7:46C.
7:46>> Oh, okay.
7:48Let's sit down right here. We'll We'll
7:49get you in a second, okay?
7:58>> All right.
8:02I don't know I don't know if you
8:03remember now, but I'm Captain Ellis
8:05here.
8:05>> Yes, ma'am.
8:06>> And um
8:08>> You know, something I got a lot of stuff
8:09in here.
8:12>> So, I want to make sure I had your name
8:13right.
8:14John Thomas is J O N, right?
8:17>> Yes, ma'am.
8:17>> Okay. Not
8:18J O H N.
8:19>> J O N.
8:20>> And it's two one word.
8:23>> J T is capital.
8:25>> Yeah, okay.
8:27And what was your middle name?
8:28>> Oliver.
8:29>> Oliver.
8:30>> How do you spell it? And then Cloud, C L
8:31O U D. How do you spell it?
8:33>> Okay.
8:34>> I'm sorry.
8:35>> And you Your mama was calling you J T.
8:37Is that what you go by?
8:38>> Yes, ma'am.
8:39>> Okay.
8:41>> It's easier than going by my first name
8:44all the time. I only hear my first name
8:45when I'm in trouble.
8:46>> Yeah.
8:47>> You know what I mean?
8:48>> Yeah. Parents are like that, huh?
8:49>> Oh, yeah.
8:50>> Use the full name.
8:51>> I'm just I hear John Thomas Oliver
8:53Cloud. My first instinct is to run for
8:55the hills.
8:57>> All right. It's October the 8th.
8:59>> Yes, ma'am.
9:01>> And it is 3:25
9:04p.m.
9:05>> Our clock is wrong.
9:06>> It's the batteries are dead.
9:08>> So,
9:09>> We always forget to change them.
9:11>> Yeah. I kind of nodded off in here. It's
9:13like The clock hasn't changed.
9:15>> Yeah.
9:18How old are you, John Thomas? Or J T,
9:20I'm sorry.
9:21>> I'm 29. I turn 30 this year.
9:23>> Okay.
9:24How far did you go in school?
9:26>> Um I went to the 9th to 10th grade,
9:28dropped out, got my GED this past May.
9:31>> All right. We'll just put GED.
9:34All right. So, what this is
9:35It's This is um a It's called a Miranda
9:38rights form.
9:39Basically I put date, time, location, a
9:41CID which is this division,
9:44um your name, age, and
9:46what you played in school. Just follow
9:48along with me, okay? I'm going to read
9:49it, but I want you to follow along with
9:51me, okay?
9:51>> Yes, ma'am.
9:52>> Before we ask you questions, you must
9:53understand your rights. One, you have
9:55the right to remain silent. Two,
9:57anything you say could be used against
9:58you in a court of law. Three, you have
10:00the right to talk to a lawyer and have
10:02him present with you while you're being
10:03questioned.
10:05Four, if you cannot afford to hire a
10:06lawyer, one will be appointed to
10:08represent you
10:09before any questions if you wish.
10:13Five, you can decide anytime to exercise
10:14these rights by not answering any
10:15questions or making any statements. Do
10:17you understand your rights?
10:18>> Am I being arrested?
10:19>> No.
10:19>> Oh, yes.
10:20>> No, this is just a first talk. This is
10:22just for us to
10:22>> Oh, that's fine.
10:23>> Okay. So, I understand what my rights
10:25are. I'm willing to make a statement and
10:27to answer any questions. I've not been
10:29threatened, I have not been promised
10:31anything, I've not been
10:33forced in any way to answer any
10:34questions or make any statements. Do you
10:35understand that?
10:36>> Yes, ma'am.
10:36>> All right. So, if you agree to talk to
10:37me, sign right here and put today's date
10:39which is the 8th.
10:40>> Yes, ma'am.
10:51>> All right.
10:52>> I've been told I have very pretty
10:53handwriting.
10:54>> You do.
11:00So,
11:01John Thomas Cloud was advised of his
11:03rights by me by me at Sunday plus a
11:06lovely freely and voluntarily read his
11:08rights and agreed to answer any
11:09questions or make any statements.
11:12All right. So,
11:14what I want to do first is get a little
11:15bit background information on you and
11:17your mom and Andrew, okay?
11:20Um so, [sighs]
11:22you live in Columbus, correct?
11:24>> Yes, ma'am.
11:24>> And you live with your brother.
11:26>> Yes, ma'am.
11:26>> Teresa.
11:27>> Yes, ma'am.
11:27>> And pronounce her last name for me.
11:29>> Stakowitz.
11:30>> Stakowitz.
11:31>> Yes.
11:31>> I still probably won't get that right.
11:33>> She says it's a joke that she likes to
11:35use as Polish for Smith.
11:36>> Okay, yes.
11:38Stankiewicz.
11:39>> Or if you want to go further, she spells
11:41it J A W I E S.
11:42>> Okay.
11:43>> [laughter]
11:43>> Yeah.
11:44All right. So, how long have you and
11:46your mom have lived in Columbus?
11:48>> Um
11:49I lived in Columbus the past
11:52Jeez. Since I was like 15. I stayed with
11:55my dad and he was recently deceased.
11:57>> Okay.
11:58>> I moved in with my mother
12:00the end of July.
12:03>> End of July? This past year or this
12:06year?
12:06>> Uh this year.
12:07>> 2013?
12:08>> Yes.
12:09>> Okay.
12:18Why'd you move in with your mom?
12:19>> Um I was taking care of my dad and it
12:21proved to be above my pay grade.
12:24>> Okay.
12:25Was he sick?
12:26>> Uh yes.
12:27>> Yeah.
12:28It's hard, isn't it?
12:29>> Yeah.
12:30>> Mhm.
12:31Okay.
12:32Um
12:35How long has your mom have lived here?
12:37>> Uh she's I'm not exactly sure. You'd
12:39have to ask her.
12:40Years blend, man.
12:42>> Okay. I got you.
12:43So, Andrew
12:45Stankiewicz. Did I get right?
12:48>> Yes, ma'am. You did. Good job.
12:50>> I think I need to like stank
12:54k wicz.
12:56>> K I E W I C Z.
12:58>> I know, but I mean it. That's how it
13:00sounds. Like a
13:01phonetic phonetics.
13:03>> Yeah. I'll probably try to get to you.
13:05>> Yes, okay. So,
13:09he's your stepdad. Andrew Stankiewicz is
13:11your stepdad.
13:11>> Yes.
13:12>> Okay.
13:12And he lives in Texas.
13:14>> Yes.
13:14>> Where in Texas?
13:16>> 305 Road, Colleyville.
13:19>> Colleyville?
13:20>> Colley.
13:23Got it.
13:25Colleyville.
13:25>> Colleyville?
13:26>> C O L L E Y V I L L E, Texas.
13:30Last I heard.
13:31>> Have you ever lived with him?
13:33>> Yes, one year.
13:34>> One year. And how long was that?
13:36>> That was when I was a child.
13:38>> Okay.
13:44So you were basically raised by your
13:46daddy.
13:47>> Yes.
13:47>> Okay.
13:50>> Father's plural.
13:52My mother has been married more than
13:53once.
13:54>> Okay.
13:56All right.
14:01So tell me from the time you got up this
14:04morning
14:06until now, give me a rundown of of what
14:10what your day has been.
14:12>> Oh,
14:14um
14:15my day has been
14:18Give me a second.
14:19Um I forgot to take my depression
14:20medication this morning.
14:21>> Mhm.
14:22>> It helps like level me out. You know
14:24what I mean?
14:25>> What kind of medication is
14:26>> Uh escitalopram.
14:28>> Escit what?
14:28>> Escitalopram.
14:31It's a 10 mg dosage. I
14:34have it for a
14:35major depressive disorder.
14:37>> Major depressive disorder.
14:38>> Yeah.
14:39Uh got up this morning, uh went to go
14:42check on the Don, which is what we named
14:44our goose.
14:45We take our geese outside of their
14:47complex.
14:47>> Mhm.
14:48>> Uh Don is recently hurt and he's got
14:50fishing line around one leg and his
14:53other foot's like injured months.
14:56Hasn't been doing the best.
14:58Uh we usually woke up about 3:00
15:00something.
15:01I don't remember what I was dreaming.
15:03Checked the weather, saw it was going to
15:04be 47 around the time I was going to get
15:06up. So that's the first thing that came
15:08to mind. Went to go check on him. Went
15:10and checked on him.
15:11>> Mhm.
15:12>> Uh the
15:13>> About what time did you go check on on
15:14the geese?
15:15>> Uh goose. Uh I'd say about maybe
15:196:02ish.
15:21>> Okay. Possibly.
15:22>> Cuz I got up at 6:00.
15:25>> Had to get my jacket on, make sure my
15:27mom knew that I was going out in the
15:28dark, that kind of thing.
15:30>> Why would she need to know you're going
15:31out in the dark?
15:33>> Cuz I live there. I wanted to make sure
15:35>> Okay, I was just
15:36I was just curious. I mean, okay.
15:39>> Well, I mean, you're walking around in
15:41the dark in the complex. You know, it's
15:42East Columbus.
15:43>> you. Yeah, I got you.
15:44>> Yeah. Uh got back in, did some cleaning
15:47of the condo.
15:49You know, got stuff out of the fridge,
15:50trying to make it look nice. Uh
15:52helped out with extra cleaning around
15:53the condo, that kind of thing.
15:55And then got in the uh
15:59uh Escalade with my mother.
16:03GPS'd the way to Atlanta.
16:05Because I
16:06haven't been there since I was a kid.
16:08I think it was like 185 to 85 or
16:11something like
16:12>> Mhm.
16:13>> I forget. There's
16:15There was long stretches of highway.
16:17>> Okay.
16:18>> Uh stopped stopped to get two biscuits
16:20at McDonald's.
16:22Which she got two, I got two.
16:23Uh continued on, found out that I was
16:26going to the international
16:28gate when I should have gone domestic.
16:30I mean, how am I supposed to know? It
16:32was my first time making a
16:33trip trip out to pick him up.
16:36Got that squared out, picked him up,
16:39left the airport.
16:41Those airport police cars are so pretty.
16:44Sorry, I have had an invested interest
16:46in uh
16:48policing, fire rescue stuff since I was
16:50a kid.
16:50>> Mhm.
16:51>> Just being able to see what they all
16:52look like was pretty cool.
16:54Uh left. Uh started down the highway.
16:58Um
17:00Mother started gagging about halfway
17:02mark. She said she ate some uh fried
17:04fried food
17:06uh
17:07Saturday.
17:08And wasn't feeling the best.
17:12>> How far had you had y'all gotten?
17:15>> I would not be able to tell you.
17:18It was just long stretches of highway.
17:20>> Okay.
17:21So, your mom started gagging so what did
17:22y'all do?
17:23>> Um she kind of brushed it off. It wasn't
17:25too bad. I asked her if she was okay. I
17:27was playing on my phone, you know, just
17:29trying to
17:30>> All right. Where was your mom sitting in
17:31the car?
17:31>> Uh driver's seat.
17:33>> Okay.
17:35Where were you sitting?
17:36>> Uh behind him.
17:40>> All right. So, he was in the
17:41AJ was in the passenger seat.
17:43>> Yeah.
17:48He started gagging again, checked on
17:49her. I'm sitting here playing on playing
17:51a game, you know, just trying to pass
17:52the time. He had GPS pulled up on his
17:55phone.
17:56Just one of those things.
17:58He started gagging the third time,
17:59pulled over, went to check on her.
18:03Figured out she was here. She was okay.
18:04He sat in the front seat.
18:07Um
18:09I think a little bit after some kind of
18:10weird silver sedan or something. I don't
18:12really exactly remember what it was. It
18:13was like a small car. Rolled up and
18:15checked on us.
18:16And stuff like that.
18:19Mom and I are here. I'm here.
18:21Mom and I are behind.
18:23>> Okay. So,
18:31You said a small silver?
18:33>> Yeah, something like a silver sedan.
18:40>> All right. And where were y'all?
18:42>> Uh left side of the vehicle.
18:48>> On the driver's side?
18:49>> Yes.
18:50And then carefully move her towards the
18:52back.
18:53>> So, you moved her towards the back.
18:58>> Um
19:00Then we had to go
19:01>> How how long was she outside the car
19:03before you got out?
19:04>> Uh
19:06maybe 30 seconds.
19:09Something like that.
19:11And then Jason checked to and make sure
19:13everything was okay cuz you know what?
19:14We're on the side of the highway.
19:17>> Okay.
19:18Um did AJ stay in the car?
19:21>> He stayed in it.
19:21>> Okay. So,
19:24let's do this.
19:29Here's the Here's the highway.
19:34Were you in a the three-lane part or
19:37were you in the two-lane part?
19:39>> Uh
19:40we're in the two-lane part.
19:41>> Two-lane part. Okay, so we'll just say
19:43here's your truck.
19:45>> Yeah.
19:46>> All right. So,
19:48mark where your your mom was.
19:50>> She would be about right here. I had to
19:53move her back to where right here.
19:54>> Okay. So, then you said
19:57>> there.
19:57>> Okay. So, then you said a car pulled up.
19:59>> Yeah. And
20:01came up like that. And he went right
20:02there.
20:03>> Right there. Okay. So, it pulled up
20:04behind you. Did they get out?
20:07>> Um yeah, they came out with the
20:08checkbook.
20:08>> Okay.
20:09Was it Who Who was it?
20:11>> Uh it was some little black lady and
20:13some black guy. I wouldn't be able to
20:14tell you any distinguishing feature.
20:16Anything else besides that?
20:18>> All right. Did they say anything or were
20:19they just checking?
20:20>> Yeah, they were just checking.
20:21>> So, it was a old black lady?
20:22>> I wouldn't be able to tell you. I'm
20:24sorry.
20:24>> Okay. You said little.
20:26>> Yeah. Little black person.
20:30>> And a black male?
20:31>> Yes.
20:35>> What did they say to y'all?
20:36>> They were checking to see if we were
20:38okay. And you know how much people can
20:40be.
20:40>> Mhm.
20:41>> They got to move their porch to the
20:42right side of the road.
20:44And um
20:49I don't remember which one went up, but
20:51one of them were arguing between Andy
20:53and one
20:55And it sounded like a car hitting a
20:56bottle
20:58on the highway. You know that loud crack
20:59sound that they make?
21:02I didn't realize it was gunshots.
21:05>> Okay.
21:05>> So, I had to move my mom away. So, what
21:07was Andy you keep calling him AJ but it
21:10No, it's you're saying AJ his name is
21:12Andy.
21:13Okay, you're you're saying his name is
21:15AJ.
21:17No ma'am, I said Andy.
21:19It's short for Andrew.
21:22I was confusing myself. Yeah, you were
21:24confusing me.
21:25All right, so Andy. Yes, ma'am. So, when
21:27they got out
21:31was Andy still in the car? Yes, he was
21:34still in the car.
21:35Okay, so what did the people do?
21:36Um they went to go check on them and uh
21:40an argument broke out.
21:42And that's when I heard the popping.
21:44>> Who went to go check on them?
21:45>> Um I don't remember.
21:48I'm sorry, I just know that one of them
21:50went to go check.
21:51>> Okay, here Okay.
21:54So, you do not know who
21:57who
22:03>> I was with my mother trying to make sure
22:04she was okay. I just saw movement out of
22:06the corner of my front windshield so I
22:07didn't know what it was.
22:09When I heard the popping it sounded like
22:11from around here. I didn't realize it
22:13was right here.
22:16>> And why do you think it was right here?
22:19>> Because when I got back to the car after
22:22I bring my mother back we saw the
22:24like the windshield.
22:26>> All right, so you don't know who did
22:29both of those people walk up here or
22:30just one of them?
22:31>> I think only one of them did. I was like
22:34I said I was trying to make sure my
22:35mother was okay and I wasn't paying too
22:36much attention to that.
22:38>> Okay.
22:39So,
22:43then what did that person do?
22:45>> Um I just heard a loud argument. I don't
22:47remember what they were arguing over.
22:49Andy's always arguing with people.
22:51>> Okay.
22:51>> He's always been like that. And then
22:53what did this person do after they
22:55while they were arguing?
22:57Um I heard the popping sound
23:00and I rushed my mother away.
23:03Like that way.
23:05>> Okay.
23:06>> They They drove off and came back and
23:10found Andy like that.
23:12>> So, y'all went behind their car?
23:15>> Um
23:16We just ran this way.
23:24Is something wrong?
23:25>> So,
23:27then y'all, after they pulled off, what
23:29did y'all do?
23:30>> Uh we went
23:31back. We checked to see what was going
23:33on and found Andy slumped over.
23:36Next thing I We were kind of panicking.
23:38>> y'all came come to his side or go back
23:40to her driver's side?
23:42>> Um I came to his side and let my mom
23:44know what happened.
23:45And then I came to the driver's side,
23:47right there.
23:49My mom was not in the shape to drive, so
23:50I took over and drove, even though I'm
23:52technically not on the insurance.
23:54She was too shaken up and I told her I
23:55would be nice enough to drive. We
23:58GPS'd the hospital and got all the way
24:00through the range.
24:01>> Okay.
24:05>> Is something wrong?
24:09>> So,
24:12whose Whose phone did you use the GPS
24:14on?
24:14>> Mine.
24:15>> Yours.
24:15>> Yes, my blue phone.
24:16>> Okay.
24:18>> It's the Google Maps. Go into the app
24:20and you can see everything I GPS'd.
24:22>> Okay, so
24:24whose phone did you use to Google the
24:27way up to Atlanta?
24:28>> My phone.
24:30>> Okay.
24:31Did you drive to Atlanta?
24:32>> No, my mom did.
24:33>> Okay.
24:34>> I drove back.
24:34>> So, she drove up to until this point and
24:37then you drove to the hospital.
24:38>> Yes.
24:39>> And
24:43you said you got lost in LaGrange?
24:45>> Yes. The GPS was being weird. I was
24:47trying to find the nearest hospital and
24:48then realized it was to this little
24:49medical center and then I was like, "Oh,
24:51crap. Okay, let me try again and find
24:53the hospital is."
24:55You got somebody bleeding out in your
24:56front seat. You're not thinking clear.
24:58We're trying to make sure you get to a
24:59location, you know what I mean?
25:04>> So, when you pulled over,
25:06did you notice, like when y'all were
25:08driving along, did you notice were you
25:10still in like a urban area or was it
25:14like a all woods?
25:15>> Woods. Woods. Just trees as far as the
25:18eye could see.
25:20>> Okay.
25:22Do you know what county you were in?
25:23>> No.
25:24>> You don't know what county?
25:25>> No, not at all.
25:26>> Do you remember like once you got back
25:28in the truck and started driving, do you
25:30remember passing any signs or anything?
25:32>> No.
25:33I was just trying to
25:36my my focus was trying to get to the
25:37hospital and follow the GPS as close as
25:39possible.
25:40>> Okay.
25:42>> Everything after that point was just a
25:43blur.
25:45If the GPS says go left, I went left.
25:48Go right, go right.
25:51I used to do door dashing when I was
25:53younger.
25:55>> Okay, so
25:58did you when you were coming down, did
26:00you ever see the sign that says the
26:04the 185 exit going to Columbus?
26:06>> I think I did.
26:08I might have seen the sign.
26:10>> All right.
26:11>> They They might have passed it before
26:14everything happened. I was on my phone.
26:18Playing on my phone and stuff.
26:21>> Okay.
26:22So, y'all were going south down there
26:24when when y'all pulled over?
26:25>> Yes.
26:25>> Okay. So,
26:34I'm just trying to get my bearings of
26:35where where you might be.
26:37Um
26:37>> I understand.
26:38>> Um
26:40>> I'm trying to remember as much as I can.
26:44>> Did y'all turn around on the interstate
26:47and go back north looking for the
26:48hospital or did y'all keep going south?
26:51>> Uh
26:52I'm trying to think.
26:57I think we continued south. We ended up
26:59in LaGrange, which is south.
27:05>> Okay.
27:06>> Yeah, the hospital stuff on Google Maps
27:08wasn't the best. I was trying to find a
27:10hospital near me.
27:11>> Uh-huh.
27:12>> And it was like, there's like a list of
27:14things and I'm just like, okay, but
27:16what's the closest?
27:20>> Okay.
27:24Do you remember passing
27:27um
27:32weigh scales?
27:34>> I think we passed like one on the tenth.
27:37Like like a little tenth off the side of
27:38the highway somewhere.
27:40>> No, that wouldn't be. You know what a
27:42weigh scale is? It's where the big semi
27:43trucks pull in.
27:44>> Yeah.
27:45>> Okay.
27:46>> No, I don't think we passed a weigh
27:47scale.
27:47>> Okay.
27:49>> I do remember receiving the DPS vehicles
27:51at the weigh scales on the way up.
27:53>> Okay.
27:58And you said you
28:00it was down to two lane, not three.
28:03>> Yes, first remember it was two.
28:04>> Okay.
28:07All right.
28:10So,
28:15you said when you were going Let's Let's
28:17go back to when y'all were going to
28:18Atlanta.
28:21You said you got lost going You were
28:23supposed You went to international and
28:24not
28:26>> We were supposed to go to Concourse C.
28:28>> Right, the domestic.
28:29>> Yeah, I didn't I didn't know because I I
28:31just GPS'd to the airport to get us
28:33there.
28:34>> So,
28:38let me pull up something on the map.
28:58>> How you doing, sir?
28:59>> I'm here, but it wasn't on I-20 and
29:01I-75.
29:01>> Is this it? Okay.
29:05>> I woke up this morning, put my feet on
29:06the floor.
29:08>> There you go. It's on I-20 and I-75.
29:09>> That's right.
29:19>> Okay, so this morning
29:22>> That's it.
29:27>> Your car had a tag or your mom's car had
29:29a tag reader highway 74 and 85
29:33southbound
29:34at 9:35 a.m.
29:40So where
29:42this would be the Fayetteville area,
29:43correct? Is that right?
29:45>> Starr's Mill.
29:46That's right. It's Starr's Mill. I said
29:47the Fayette County County line.
29:52>> So here's my question. What were you
29:54doing
29:56Mhm? Over there.
29:59>> What did you say?
30:02>> His flight didn't come in until like
30:0310:00 something. He was supposed to be
30:05in at 10:11.
30:09>> So that is nowhere near Now I got it.
30:12Now that is nowhere near the airport and
30:14y'all were there at 9:35 this morning.
30:16>> That would have been on the way to the
30:17airport.
30:18>> Right.
30:21>> I was just running down the highway
30:23on the way there.
30:24>> That's not a highway.
30:25>> That's not a highway. That's like a
30:27county road.
30:29>> Huh.
30:31Weird.
30:34And that must have been the GPS messed
30:36up on us when we get up there.
30:38>> Are we positive that's the right tag?
30:41>> Cuz that doesn't make sense cuz I
30:42remember being on the highway all the
30:43way up there.
30:55>> Yep.
30:59So, my question is is what were y'all
31:01doing beforehand?
31:06Cuz look,
31:07>> That's probably when we went to go pick
31:08up our biscuits.
31:10>> So, you didn't pick up your biscuits in
31:12Columbus?
31:13>> No. We waited till we got to Newnan and
31:15picked up our biscuits.
31:18I'm going to run to the bathroom at the
31:19McDonald's.
31:20I got the biscuits.
31:23Hit the road.
31:28Is that like right outside of Newnan?
31:30>> No.
31:30>> Mhm.
31:31>> Then I'm really confused then.
31:34Cuz that's not adding up because I
31:36remember the only stop we took off of
31:38the highway was to go to Newnan at the
31:40McDonald's.
31:43>> And this wouldn't even put you This is
31:45nowhere near the airport. Not nowhere
31:48near the airport.
31:49>> That is nowhere near the McDonald's in
31:51Newnan either.
31:52>> I have no idea. There's something wrong
31:54with that.
31:55>> So, here's Newnan.
31:56>> Yeah.
31:59>> There's where your tag reader hit.
32:01>> What the heck?
32:03>> Here's the airport up here.
32:07Great.
32:09>> Oh boy. Yeah.
32:11>> Mhm.
32:17>> You got me. I have no idea.
32:20Cuz I just remember hitting the highway
32:22and following the highway up.
32:25I don't know why the tag reader would
32:26pop it over there.
32:28That is incredibly weird.
32:30>> Tell me.
32:32>> I don't know.
32:36Cuz I remember, if
32:40you go
32:41>> I'm drawing on that one.
32:42>> Oh, sorry. I wasn't drawing on
32:44everybody.
32:48I remember it's
32:5085 to 85.
32:53And then we stopped at Newnan.
32:59>> What What you got down there? Is that
33:00where you all go to in Newnan?
33:02>> It is the one
33:05uh by the red carpet in, I think.
33:08>> Is there a BP on the right?
33:10>> Yeah, there's a BP there. Big like
33:13truck.
33:14>> Stallings Road in Newnan.
33:15>> Moreland exit, yeah.
33:17>> Yeah.
33:18>> See, I don't have to even gotten into
33:20Newnan good.
33:22>> Yeah. I'm going to be blunt with you. I
33:24have no idea where this came from.
33:30I don't know why the plate reader tagged
33:32way out there.
33:33>> Well.
33:35>> Something's
33:37Something's not adding up here.
33:40Because I
33:41distinctly remember following the
33:42highway up, getting off at Newnan,
33:44getting our biscuits, and then hitting
33:46the highway again.
33:51>> Yeah, I asked my mama about that. I
33:52mean, I would have even said, "Well,
33:54maybe when you got off at the airport
33:56and you got lost, you know, cuz you got
33:58to twist all the way back around
34:01to get back over to the international
34:03side of the airport."
34:05And I would even said y'all would have
34:07gotten like maybe hit, but that's not
34:09even near the airport. That's way east
34:11of Newnan.
34:12>> Yeah, there's no way we could have been
34:14over there.
34:16There's no way. Not with the route that
34:18we took.
34:21Cuz we were heading like straight there,
34:24took took the biscuit got the biscuits
34:26and hit headed straight back. Just
34:31I have no idea how in the world that
34:33happened.
34:34>> We sure that [clears throat] is
34:37>> Yeah.
34:38>> That is
34:38>> 74 74 doesn't cross over.
34:42>> Doesn't cross over 85.
34:45>> 74 or
34:46>> I'm
34:46>> Turns into 34 and then
34:49>> I'll be honest, you got me.
34:50That is some impressive magic right
34:52there.
34:56Cuz
34:58If I remember correctly, this is the
35:00highway.
35:01You have the airport here.
35:06But
35:08Let's say this is Newnan.
35:11Right here.
35:13This is the highway.
35:15How did you tag tag S like
35:18way over here?
35:30It's the only major screw up that I did
35:33getting up there was
35:35the international to domestic flight.
35:39And having to go around and follow up to
35:42terminal.
35:44That makes absolutely no sense.
35:48>> So you're saying 74 turns into 34?
35:51>> Yeah.
35:52>> Okay.
35:54>> 74 runs
35:55>> So basically 74 turns into when you go
35:57into Newnan and Bullsboro.
35:58>> Yes.
36:00When you come when you come in 54 runs
36:04uh
36:05this or no, 74 runs this way.
36:07>> Okay.
36:08>> Um map over here map real quick.
36:11May I look something up?
36:13>> What for?
36:15>> Let me get that whatever that was off of
36:17there.
36:18Let me copy the calendar
36:21>> Um
36:30>> Hold on.
36:31This used to be
36:40I guess it's close to you.
36:50>> What are you trying to look at?
36:52>> Give me just a second.
36:55So, you said you hit us at where
36:59>> Exactly?
37:00>> 85 and 64.
37:01>> That's That's not the exact route, but
37:03that is about as close as you're going
37:04to get.
37:06Okay.
37:10All right.
37:13All right, so
37:14>> It does
37:17Like I remember like distinctly like cuz
37:19I was watching the highway, you guys
37:21just said 74 I'm I've got to make sure
37:25that 74 doesn't turn into 34. That's the
37:28intersection in Peachtree City. So, 74
37:30runs this way
37:30>> This way.
37:31>> towards That would be in Fairburn.
37:33>> This would be Fairburn.
37:35>> Yep.
37:35>> Yeah, so that's probably where they turn
37:38around at the airport.
37:40>> That would have been in Fairburn.
37:41>> That would have been Fairburn, so okay.
37:43This is debunked.
37:46So, that's going to be
37:47because the way when you go to back I'm
37:49pretty sure when you go to back around
37:51to the international side, you go
37:53through
37:58>> Yeah, you scared
37:58>> I don't know if it's College Park or
38:01I don't I'll have to look that up later.
38:02>> You scared the crap out of me.
38:04>> Okay. I'll look that up later.
38:07>> Should I write debunked on this?
38:08>> No.
38:09So, okay, let's get back to this.
38:11>> Yes, ma'am.
38:12>> So
38:14when we talked to your mother at the
38:16hospital and interviewed her at the
38:17hospital
38:19we asked her for step-by-step just like
38:21we're asking you. Okay?
38:23At no time
38:26did she ever say
38:30two black people got out of their car,
38:32pulled over, got out of the car to check
38:33on y'all. At no time ever.
38:36>> Well,
38:37I could have sworn somebody pulled up. I
38:39must have I must have been out of it
38:41then cuz I was really worried.
38:44>> Out of it? What would you have been out
38:46of it for?
38:47>> Just on the side of the highway, she's
38:49wrenching.
38:51I'm worried about her.
38:52>> So, you would make up two people that
38:54would stop their car.
38:58Two people, a black male and a black
39:00female, get out of the car.
39:05Get out, walk around, get in a fight
39:07with Andy.
39:10And you say you heard a loud pop.
39:13One,
39:14your mother never said anything about
39:16anybody pulling over, never said
39:18anything about a male or female, never
39:20said anything about a male or female
39:22being black, never said anything about
39:25hearing a pop.
39:26Your mother said she got out, was was
39:29gagging on the side
39:31>> Mhm.
39:31>> next to her her door.
39:34At some point in time, you got out, came
39:36around there, and got her and moved her.
39:40That's when y'all got back in the car
39:42and y'all found Andy like or she found
39:44Andy like
39:46So, what you need to do, and you need to
39:48be honest with me,
39:50is you need to tell me
39:52what happened in that car.
39:55>> What I need to do is tell you what
39:57happened in the car?
39:57>> You need to tell me what happened in
39:59that car.
40:00What you did to your stepfather.
40:02>> What I did to him?
40:04Why am I the one
40:06Why would I do anything to him?
40:08>> You would do anything something to him.
40:10You were sitting directly behind him.
40:13Were you not?
40:14>> I was.
40:15>> Okay.
40:15>> But why would I do something
40:16>> You would do something
40:18Do you know where his bullet holes were?
40:22>> I wasn't there.
40:22>> Let me ask you this. Do you own a gun?
40:24>> Yes, I do.
40:25>> What kind of gun do you own?
40:26>> Uh
40:27Glock 17.
40:28>> Glock 17.
40:30>> Hold on a second.
40:33>> All right, does your brother own a gun?
40:35>> Uh
40:36no, but she has uh
40:40one of these guns.
40:41>> Okay, and what kind of gun is that?
40:43>> Uh
40:44it's like a
40:45Pietro
40:46Beretta, I think.
40:47>> What caliber?
40:48>> .32
40:49>> .32
40:51So, it's possibly a Beretta?
40:54>> I I remember seeing Beretta on the side.
40:56>> Okay.
40:57So, where does she keep her gun?
40:58>> Uh she keeps it either on the nightstand
41:01or on a shelf. Easy access, why?
41:04>> Okay.
41:05Does she ever keep it in the car?
41:08>> Um she has before, and she's also
41:09carried it in her handbag.
41:10>> Okay.
41:12Where do you keep your your Glock?
41:14>> Next to my bed.
41:15>> Where is it right now?
41:17>> Uh
41:18right now?
41:20Probably next to my bed.
41:22>> So, you didn't bring it with you?
41:23>> No.
41:24>> Okay.
41:26What caliber is the Glock 17?
41:28>> 9 mm 9 mm 9 mm 9 mm
41:33>> Okay.
41:35So, was your brother's gun in the car
41:37when y'all left Columbus this morning?
41:39>> Yeah.
41:39>> It was?
41:40>> Yes.
41:40>> Where was it?
41:42>> Uh
41:42she either had it in her pocket or in
41:44the left door.
41:50>> So, the driver's side door?
41:51>> Yes.
41:52>> Okay.
41:56So, you had access to it?
41:58>> Um I didn't I don't do anything with her
42:01I didn't do anything with her gun.
42:03It's not mine. I don't touch guns that
42:06aren't mine unless I have permission to
42:07or
42:07>> Okay.
42:11You were sitting directly behind Andy,
42:13right?
42:14>> Yeah.
42:14>> Okay.
42:16Do you know where Andy was shot?
42:18>> Uh all I know is one in the back of the
42:20neck from when I was rushing him to the
42:22hospital.
42:23>> Okay, one in the back of the neck.
42:25>> Yeah.
42:26>> Okay.
42:28One in the back of the neck right here.
42:31>> It was like I think right here where I
42:33saw.
42:34>> All right.
42:35And then he had two more below it.
42:37>> Really?
42:38All right.
42:47That's through the window of the
42:48headrest.
42:57>> Did you get the front of the headrest?
43:00Just the back?
43:00>> Just the back. My question is is why
43:02would I shoot him?
43:03>> My question is that's what I want to
43:04know, too.
43:05>> Excuse me, I have no reason to shoot
43:07him.
43:07>> So
43:11you can clearly see the bullet hole
43:12stood in the back of the headrest.
43:14>> Yeah.
43:15>> Well, right
43:16behind like where you're in front of
43:18where you're sitting.
43:20>> Okay.
43:21>> Okay.
43:22So my question is is
43:25why did you kill Andy?
43:27>> Why would I kill him?
43:29>> You tell me.
43:30>> I'm trying to get on the police force.
43:31Why would I kill somebody?
43:32>> I don't know, you tell me.
43:35>> I don't know. I've I've been sitting
43:36here for the past 3 months waiting on my
43:38recruiter to get back to me
43:40so I can get on the force.
43:42>> Okay.
43:42>> Why would I kill someone to jeopardize
43:43that?
43:46>> These gunshots were were made in this
43:49car.
43:50In this car.
43:51>> Okay.
43:52>> Inside the car.
43:54That either leaves you or your mother
43:56that killed him.
43:57>> Okay.
43:58>> Okay. So who did who killed him? You or
44:00your mother?
44:03You or your mother, who killed him?
44:09There's the front of the
44:11>> Where the bullet went through. Went
44:13through the back of his head.
44:16>> Okay.
44:18>> Did you kill him or did your mother kill
44:19him?
44:23Somebody in that car killed him and
44:24there was only three of you. One of
44:25them's dead.
44:27Did you kill him or did your mama kill
44:29him?
44:31>> Yes, I killed him. Why?
44:32>> Okay.
44:34Why did you kill him?
44:38>> You know, the only reason he was
44:39threatening to kill us is it was
44:40self-defense.
44:41>> Okay.
44:42At what point in time did he threaten to
44:44kill you?
44:45>> On the way back.
44:46I won't be able to tell you exactly
44:48when. He's He's argumentative. He was
44:50arguing with my mother a lot and that's
44:51one reason why I was on my phone.
44:53>> Okay.
44:54>> He tried reaching out to the seat
44:57and everything. Like
44:58>> He tried reaching to where?
44:59>> The um
45:01like the
45:02steering
45:04I was
45:04>> He was trying to reach over to to the
45:06steering wheel.
45:06>> Yeah.
45:07>> And he was Who was
45:09>> My mom was driving. That's Donnie. And
45:11it's I did it purely in self-defense.
45:14He's threatened to kill my mother on so
45:15many occasions. He's tried killing me
45:17and my sisters.
45:19>> Okay.
45:20>> I didn't know what to do. I kind of
45:21panicked. Do you want me to be
45:22completely honest? I didn't want us to
45:24get hurt.
45:25>> Okay. I understand that.
45:27I understand.
45:28>> want to go to jail for self-defense.
45:30>> Okay.
45:31>> He threatened us so much.
45:36I didn't know what to do.
45:38What was I supposed to do? Let him kill
45:40us?
45:41>> Okay. Well, explain all that to me. So,
45:44I got a good understanding of it.
45:47So, when you picked him up for when you
45:48picked him up at the airport
45:50and y'all riding down the road
45:52what was he What was the conversation
45:54like?
45:55>> At first it started about him being
45:57about this wokeism with Disney that my
45:59mom's heard millions of times.
46:02Um I was tuning most of it out because I
46:04just didn't want to hear it because I've
46:05heard it so much because he's kept her
46:07on the phone so much.
46:08>> Okay.
46:09>> And
46:11on the highway he started getting
46:12violent. Those two started like this
46:14whole
46:15talking about how he's going to sit
46:16there and like
46:18embarrass her in front of her friends.
46:21He's threatened to
46:23kidnap my youngest sister and take her
46:24far away where my mom wouldn't
46:26He's tried to He's tried threatening to
46:28use divorce against my mother.
46:30>> Who?
46:31>> He's so full of kinds of [ __ ]
46:34>> Okay.
46:35>> I didn't want to bump myself in jail,
46:36but I didn't know what to do with him.
46:38He's He's got some legal [ __ ] and
46:40court against my mother. And if she
46:43knows one one just one thing wrong, my
46:46niece and my little sister goes away.
46:49If something happened to half it just go
46:51to his brother that's just the same way.
46:53He raped my youngest sister.
46:56>> When did that happen?
46:57>> When she was younger.
47:00>> And your mom has still stayed with him?
47:02>> He
47:03He had a bunch of legal shenanigans.
47:05What was he She supposed to do?
47:07>> Okay.
47:09>> I didn't want to go to jail.
47:11>> So what was he saying to you and your
47:12mom in the car?
47:15>> I just remember a bunch of arguing,
47:17something about how oh we're not going
47:19to get sealed, which is like getting
47:21married in the church.
47:24Like [snorts] honestly I tried to tune
47:25most of it out.
47:27And then he started getting violent and
47:29that's when I pulled the trigger.
47:30>> All right. So tell me about him being
47:31violent. Explain to me what he did.
47:34>> He kept trying to reach over towards the
47:35steering wheel and I kept telling him to
47:37quit. And then he like brushed his hand
47:39across it and I'm like if you don't I'm
47:42going to have to do something. I didn't
47:43know what to do.
47:45>> At what point did you get the gun?
47:47>> Get the gun?
47:50After my mother pulled over, he was
47:51still argumentative. She's puking. He
47:54sits there and just The car to argue
47:56non-stop.
47:57I had to do something to keep her from
47:59getting hurt.
48:00So,
48:02let me ask you this then. Was mom your
48:04mama sick because she was upset about
48:07what he was saying, or was she sick by
48:09eating fried food?
48:11>> Both, if you want me to be honest.
48:13>> So, it was upsetting her.
48:14>> Yes. She He
48:17He keeps her He was keeping her on the
48:19phone 12 hours a day bullshitting and
48:22taking up her time. It was abusive.
48:24And I couldn't do anything about it.
48:27>> Okay.
48:29>> I I tried to call the police. They could
48:32get my niece and sister taken.
48:34>> So, when you pulled over,
48:36and you you mama got out and she was
48:38gagging,
48:42what did you do?
48:44>> I went to make sure she was okay. She
48:45was still bent over.
48:48I grabbed my Glock and put three shells
48:49in him.
48:50I didn't want him to hurt us.
48:53What was I supposed to
48:53>> Where is your Glock?
48:55>> In the woods somewhere. I panicked.
48:57>> Did you throw it out the window?
48:58>> No. It's behind some trees if you want
49:00me to be honest.
49:03>> Is it behind some trees where y'all were
49:06your mama was puking?
49:07>> Yes.
49:09>> Okay. Do you think you could
49:11you could take us back to that spot?
49:13>> I could probably take you back to it.
49:15>> Okay.
49:19>> I'm sorry about concocting a story. I
49:20just didn't want to go to jail for
49:22trying to
49:23protect my family.
49:27You know, after everything he's done,
49:30and I didn't want to ruin my life over
49:32just
49:34trying to make sure that they were safe.
49:37>> All right.
49:38>> [snorts]
49:39>> Timmy, you know where you stopped at?
49:42I have a vague idea.
49:43>> Okay.
49:46So,
49:48mama's puking, you get out,
49:51>> check on her to make sure she's okay.
49:52Here, I'll draw it out for you.
49:54>> Can you draw it out for me?
49:56Let's start a new Let's start a new
49:58little map, okay?
50:00>> I'm trying to remember how many lanes
50:02that highway had.
50:04If it was three lanes like this,
50:07we're here.
50:08>> Mhm.
50:08>> This is the Caddy.
50:10He's sitting in the seat while we're
50:11driving. I'm sitting here.
50:14She gets up,
50:15runs here. I check on her over her back,
50:17make sure she's out of the road.
50:19>> Mhm.
50:20>> Well, she's not supposed to have. I walk
50:21up here.
50:23>> And then bang, bang, bang.
50:26Okay.
50:27Then what happened?
50:29>> Both of us panicked. There's a dead body
50:31in the car.
50:33My mother had nothing to do with it.
50:35This was all me.
50:36Okay?
50:37>> Okay.
50:38>> And then we tried to figure out if he's
50:40still alive. I mostly tried to figure
50:42out if he's still alive. My mother
50:44didn't see it coming.
50:45We Like I had my gun on me cuz we're
50:48going into Atlanta. I heard it's a
50:49dangerous place. This is the first time
50:51I've ever ever carried my gun out of the
50:52house like that.
50:53>> Okay.
50:54>> And I had it purely for self-defense.
50:56>> Okay.
50:57>> And um
50:59she's panicking. My first thought is,
51:01"Okay, get him to a hospital. He might
51:02still be alive."
51:05As even
51:05>> say she's panicking, what what Get
51:07Explain to me what she's doing.
51:09>> Crying, retching, stressed.
51:13>> Just freaking out.
51:14>> I mean, I've never seen her freak out
51:16like that in my life.
51:17>> Okay. And what were you doing? How What
51:19was your demeanor?
51:20>> My demeanor was trying to make sure she
51:23was okay cuz she heard the pops go off
51:25and was wondering what happened. And I
51:28had to let her know I shot him.
51:30>> Okay.
51:30>> [snorts]
51:31>> I made sure he stayed in the car while
51:33she was out.
51:35>> All right. Then
51:38at what point did How long was it before
51:40y'all got back in the car?
51:41>> Um
51:43maybe 5 minutes, maybe 10.
51:46>> All right. So,
51:48did you make the decision to drive or
51:50did she make the decision for you to
51:52drive?
51:52>> She was talking about driving. I told
51:54her no, you're you're you can't. Not in
51:56your state, so I decided to drive.
51:58>> Okay.
51:59>> Since I've driven that car before.
52:00>> Okay.
52:00>> I might not be on the insurance, but my
52:02focus was trying to make sure she was
52:04okay.
52:05>> All right.
52:06>> [snorts]
52:07>> So then what did you do once y'all got
52:10back in the car?
52:11>> Um the first thing I thought of or she
52:14she was saying we need to find a
52:15hospital and see if he's okay.
52:17I'm sitting here thinking he's probably
52:19not alive.
52:20>> Right.
52:20>> But it doesn't hurt to try.
52:22And
52:24we tried to GPS the hospital,
52:27um
52:27literally got lost.
52:30We went like
52:32road like
52:32>> talking about once you got off the
52:33interstate you got lost?
52:35>> Yes.
52:35>> Okay.
52:36>> I've not
52:37>> what exit you got off at? Like
52:40was there
52:41like restaurants and a mall when you got
52:43off the exit or was
52:45>> It was it was this bridge and then
52:48there's like a road like that.
52:51That's the best I can give you. I told
52:53you it was out in the middle of nowhere.
52:56>> Oh, the exit was out in the middle of
52:57nowhere.
52:58>> Yeah.
52:59When this happened this was
53:01literally trees on both sides.
53:04>> Okay. And then the exit, how far from
53:07here to the exit do you think it was?
53:09>> If I had to hazard a guess
53:13I don't know. You want me to
53:15>> be honest? Okay. No, I want you to be
53:16honest.
53:18>> I'm sorry.
53:19>> when you got off the exit it it was
53:21still like rural.
53:22>> Yes, it's the rural.
53:23>> Did you notice if there was any like a
53:26gas station or anything?
53:27>> It was very rural. It was like a back
53:29road. That's what I remember. It's it
53:31was an unfamiliar territory. My goal was
53:35the only thing I heard in the back of my
53:36mind was
53:38follow the
53:40GPS.
53:41>> Okay, got you.
53:43>> [snorts]
53:44>> I really hope this doesn't put me in
53:45prison.
53:47It also screw all my chances.
53:48>> So, and then how did y'all end up
53:53Did
53:53How did y'all end up finding the
53:55hospital?
53:56Did the GPS finally right itself and get
53:59you there or
54:00>> Um I think the original way that I tried
54:02to go went to this little health clinic
54:05out in the middle of nowhere and I had
54:06to find another one. And then as we're
54:08coming out of uh going towards uh the
54:11edge of like LaGrange, my mom's like,
54:13"There's a hospital symbol.
54:14Go that way." And then we hit this
54:16four-way. It was like this little uh
54:19courtyard area.
54:21And then all of a sudden it's like,
54:22"Where's the hospital?
54:24Keep going. Where's the hospital? Oh,
54:26there's the hospital."
54:28And then and I sprayed train tracks
54:31away.
54:34>> Yeah, them railroad tracks are right
54:35there.
54:36>> Yeah.
54:36I I was really happy to see the train.
54:38>> Okay.
54:40You want to go back to the car for a
54:41minute?
54:41>> Yeah.
54:42>> All right, so
54:44once you walk up to the car, your mom's
54:46behind the car.
54:47>> Mhm.
54:47>> You make the shots.
54:49>> Yes.
54:49>> Where did you go from there with the
54:51gun?
54:52>> I put the gun back in the back seat for
54:55a little bit.
54:56I panicked and then I went out into the
54:58woods.
54:59>> Directly where y'all were parked at?
55:01>> Roughly around the general area. Yes.
55:05>> Okay.
55:06Then you helped your mom in the car?
55:08>> Yes.
55:11>> Okay.
55:14>> I'm sorry I lied before. It's just it
55:17sounds really bad putting it out in the
55:19open like that. It's just I
55:21want to make sure my mother and I were
55:22alive.
55:24The dude's [ __ ] crazy.
55:26>> Is he?
55:27>> Yes. He was crazier than hell.
55:29>> Where are your sisters now?
55:31>> Back at home.
55:33>> Oh, in Columbus?
55:33>> Yeah.
55:34>> Oh, okay.
55:35>> That's one reason why I've been worrying
55:37wanting to get back to them.
55:38>> How old are they?
55:39>> Uh 24 and 13.
55:44>> Are they any of his kids or
55:46>> One.
55:46>> The 13-year-old.
55:49>> The one that I've protected.
55:51>> So, he raped the 13-year-old daughter.
55:53>> Yes.
55:55>> Here or in Texas?
55:56>> In Texas, if I'm not mistaken.
55:58>> Okay.
55:59>> I wasn't
56:00>> And it was never reported?
56:03>> Uh I think there was an investigation
56:05done, but I don't know anything besides
56:08that. You're going to have to ask my
56:09mom. This was This was years ago, but my
56:11sister still shows signs of the G 90
56:14Class D, from what my mom says. She
56:15>> The what?
56:16>> G 90 Class D, some kind of Italian
56:19uh virus STD.
56:21>> Okay.
56:23Never heard of
56:24>> Yeah.
56:25>> Okay.
56:28All right.
56:31Let me go talk to your mama for a
56:32minute.
56:34And then um
56:36>> I really hope I don't end leaving cuffs
56:38for trying protect people.
56:39>> Um and then we're going to get you to
56:41take us to where you we think you put
56:44the gun at, okay?
56:45>> Yes, ma'am.
56:46>> All right.
56:46>> Try to remember the mile marker.
56:48>> Well, while you're sitting here, think
56:50about the mile marker, okay?
56:51>> Uh
56:52>> While I talk to your mama.
56:53>> Yes, ma'am.
56:54>> All ready?
56:55>> Um
56:56>> You got water? You need some more water?
56:58>> Uh I guess I've got some more water,
57:00please. And may I go to the restroom?
57:02>> You sure?
57:03>> Yeah, give me Give me a second and I'll
57:04be
57:05>> Just the restroom.
57:05>> Thank you, sir.
57:06>> A few seconds to go.
57:17Come on, I'm taking you to the bathroom.
57:19>> Yes, sir.
57:23>> You didn't have the holster or anything
57:24on you?
57:25>> No, I don't
57:26>> So, the holster and everything is out
57:28there?
57:28>> I don't have a holster.
57:29>> Oh, you didn't to it? It's just tucked
57:31in your waistband?
57:31>> Right.
57:32>> Right. Look, I ain't trying to say
57:34you're lying or anything, but if you'll
57:35put your hands on that wall, I'm going
57:36to be in this other interview room. I'm
57:37going to pat I'm going to pat you down
57:38to make sure you don't got it on you.
57:39>> Oh, hold on a second. Let me
57:41Put your one weapon right there.
57:43>> Put your hands on the wall.
57:44>> Yes, sir.
57:45>> You good.
57:45>> I've never been patted down before. I I
57:47get it, but
57:48>> I ain't going to leave you in here with
57:50us talking about guns and everything
57:51like that and you possibly have a
57:53villain on you.
57:53>> Open up, sir. Do you have a second with
57:55you?
57:56>> Yes, sir.
58:07>> All right.
58:08>> So, Danny, just stand up and put your
58:09hands on the wall, please.
58:10>> I'm going to jail?
58:12>> Uh just right now we're going to We're
58:13going to go out the front, man. The
58:13front. The front. All right. Yeah, we're
58:16not going to jail right now. We're going
58:17to go like we said, try to find where
58:18the gun is and everything. Just show us
58:20where the thing happened at, okay?
58:21>> Yes, sir.
58:22>> It's just for our It's just for
58:23everybody's protection and possibly we
58:24got to do this, okay?
58:25>> Okay. Okay. We're good, chief.
58:30I don't know, man. I wasn't I I wasn't
58:32here. I didn't wasn't part of the
58:33interview, so I don't know everything
58:34going on.
58:34>> Okay.
58:35All right. You got to sit down and pat
58:36down, okay?
58:37>> Oops. This is going to screw all my
58:38chances up, isn't it?
58:53>> You know what I didn't think of?
58:54>> What?
58:55>> Until I just walked over in here.
58:57>> What?
58:57>> I've got your mama's phone.
59:00So, you're not going to be able to talk
59:01to her call her anyway unless you You
59:03know your sister's phone number?
59:05>> It's in her phone and I don't know that
59:07number.
59:08>> All right.
59:08>> Pull a chair up cuz I got you got to
59:09sign some paperwork.
59:15Well, here's the deal. I can't get into
59:17your mama's phone to look at the phone
59:19number until
59:21No, you're not That's not what you're
59:22saying. I'm saying I got to have a
59:24search warrant for us to get into the
59:25phone, okay? I can't just go into the
59:27phone.
59:28So, it'll be tomorrow before I can get
59:30the number, okay? [snorts]
59:31>> Mhm. I I know her like I actually know
59:34the phone number itself.
59:36>> Okay.
59:37All right.
59:38>> You got to sign
59:38>> We got to go through the We got to go
59:40through the
59:42this process again, okay? So, I can talk
59:44to you.
59:46So, it's October the 9th and it is
59:501:37 p.m.
59:52>> How come we have to go through this
59:53again?
59:54>> Cuz that's the law.
59:56Cuz you're in custody, I have to read
59:58you your rights, okay?
59:59>> Yes, ma'am.
1:00:01>> Ronald
1:00:03Thomas
1:00:06Cloud You're 29 and you got your GED.
1:00:11All right. Follow along with me like we
1:00:12did before, okay?
1:00:14Before we
1:00:16ask you any questions, you must
1:00:17understand your rights. One, you have
1:00:18the right to remain silent. Two,
1:00:20anything you say can be used against you
1:00:21in a court of law.
1:00:23Three, you have the right to talk to a
1:00:24lawyer and have him present with you
1:00:25while you're being questioned.
1:00:27Four, if you cannot afford a hired
1:00:29lawyer, one will be appointed to
1:00:30represent you before any questions if
1:00:32you wish. Five, you can decide at any
1:00:34time to exercise these rights and not
1:00:36answer any questions or making
1:00:37statements. Do you understand your
1:00:39rights?
1:00:39>> Yes, ma'am.
1:00:40>> I understand what my rights are. I'm
1:00:42willing to make a statement and answer
1:00:43any questions. I have not been
1:00:45threatened. I have not been promised
1:00:46anything. I have not been forced in any
1:00:49way to answer any questions or making
1:00:51statements. Do you understand that?
1:00:52>> Yes, ma'am.
1:00:53>> All right, so give me a signature.
1:00:55>> Give me a sec.
1:00:57You were trying to keep her from
1:00:58breaking down the entire time I was in
1:00:59there.
1:00:59>> All right, hold on. I'll get you some
1:01:01tissue.
1:01:01>> Thank you.
1:01:03Can I get you some tissue?
1:01:05>> [snorts]
1:01:06>> Please.
1:01:08Okay.
1:01:08Can you get me some tissue?
1:01:10>> What?
1:01:11>> I got it.
1:01:16Do we have any?
1:01:17>> Well, not that I know of. There's
1:01:18towels, towels, paper towels.
1:01:33>> Thank you.
1:01:36Pick up.
1:01:37>> Thank you.
1:01:41>> All right.
1:01:43So, JT, here's the deal. Oh, let me
1:01:45finish this. I forgot the bottom part.
1:01:47>> Yes, ma'am.
1:01:48>> Oops.
1:01:50>> Here's the deal what?
1:01:52>> Um John Thomas Cloud was advised of his
1:01:54rights by me at some date police station
1:01:56above. He freely and voluntarily
1:01:58waived his rights and agreed to answer
1:02:00any questions or make any statements.
1:02:03All right, that's done. All right, so
1:02:06you know we were talking yesterday.
1:02:09So, last night I couldn't sleep.
1:02:13And I was thinking about this case all
1:02:16night long last night
1:02:18and about what you told me and about
1:02:20what your mama told me, okay?
1:02:22And [snorts]
1:02:26I got some concerns about what you told
1:02:28me.
1:02:28>> What?
1:02:30>> All right, you told me that y'all were
1:02:32pulled over on the side of the road and
1:02:34that you walked around to the side, the
1:02:36passenger side,
1:02:37and you shot inside of the truck. Is
1:02:39that correct?
1:02:40>> Yes.
1:02:41>> Did you get into the truck at all?
1:02:43>> I Yes, I did. I got into the seat behind
1:02:46him.
1:02:47>> Okay, so you got physically got into the
1:02:49seat by
1:02:49>> Yes, I did.
1:02:50>> Okay.
1:02:51>> I want to be honest about that.
1:02:52>> Yeah, okay. I just wanted I want to And
1:02:55I And I didn't clear that up with you
1:02:57yesterday and I should have done that
1:02:58and that was my fault.
1:02:59>> It's
1:03:01It The whole situation I I was afraid he
1:03:03was going to hurt us. I didn't know what
1:03:05to do and I kind of panicked in the
1:03:07moment.
1:03:08>> Okay, so it was a spur of the moment
1:03:10kind of thing. Okay.
1:03:12Let me ask This is another concern that
1:03:14I have.
1:03:20Were y'all really pulled over on the
1:03:21side of the road when you did it or were
1:03:23y'all driving down the highway?
1:03:25>> We were actually pulled over on the side
1:03:26of the road.
1:03:27>> Okay.
1:03:28>> And she got out and she started puking.
1:03:31>> Okay. And then that's when you went
1:03:33around to the passenger side and you
1:03:35physically got in and that's when you
1:03:37shot him.
1:03:38>> Yes.
1:03:38>> Did you put the gun up against the
1:03:40headrest?
1:03:41>> I put it close to it.
1:03:42>> Okay, cuz you it's got the impression
1:03:44>> It was
1:03:45>> of the [snorts]
1:03:45>> Yeah.
1:03:46>> Yeah, okay.
1:03:47>> one of them might have been right up
1:03:48against it but I did I was trying to
1:03:50make it as close as possible. I didn't
1:03:52want to like
1:03:53cause a blood splatter or anything.
1:03:55>> I got you.
1:03:56Okay.
1:03:57All right, and another concern I have is
1:04:00about your mom.
1:04:03And there's some things that were said
1:04:05yesterday that caused me concern and
1:04:07when like I said, I didn't sleep last
1:04:09night but I thought everything was
1:04:11replaying through my head last night,
1:04:12you know what I mean?
1:04:13>> I have
1:04:14>> And I'm sure it was with you, too.
1:04:15>> Yeah, I I still remember seeing him
1:04:18slumped over and everything and trying
1:04:20to get to the hospital and the body
1:04:21falling over her screaming.
1:04:24So he was getting dangerous. I didn't
1:04:26know what to do.
1:04:27>> Okay.
1:04:28Um
1:04:29Well, you did the right thing by trying
1:04:30to find a hospital and going to the
1:04:32hospital.
1:04:33>> She kept saying to go to Columbus and
1:04:34I'm like, I we can't do that. I want to
1:04:36go to the nearest hospital. I didn't
1:04:39know if he was still alive. I didn't
1:04:40want him suffering.
1:04:41>> Right.
1:04:43Okay.
1:04:45Well, here's my concern about about
1:04:47your mom and her involvement in this.
1:04:54Did she have anything to do with you
1:04:58killing Andrew?
1:04:59>> No, she had nothing to do with
1:05:00>> Did she know beforehand before y'all
1:05:03left your apartment that morning
1:05:04>> No.
1:05:05>> that you were going to kill him?
1:05:06>> No.
1:05:07>> Nothing?
1:05:08>> Nothing.
1:05:10>> Did you have this planned?
1:05:12>> No.
1:05:14I She had me bring my gun originally
1:05:17because we were going up to Atlanta and
1:05:19it's a really dangerous area. I was
1:05:20excited because it's the first time I
1:05:22was able to actually carry my gun on me.
1:05:24>> [snorts]
1:05:25>> Coming back, he was talking about
1:05:27something about how Disney's being woke
1:05:29and my mom had heard it a thousand
1:05:31times. I I wasn't dealing with it. I was
1:05:33playing on my phone.
1:05:34>> Mhm.
1:05:34>> And uh
1:05:37he started getting into an argument. He
1:05:38was talking about not wanting to get
1:05:41sealed, which is marriage in the Mormon
1:05:42church. It's something like that and
1:05:43that's a huge problem with her because
1:05:46he's tried to get money out of her so
1:05:48much.
1:05:49>> Out of your mom?
1:05:50>> Oh, yes. So many times.
1:05:53>> How is he getting money out of your mom?
1:05:55Your mom doesn't work.
1:05:58>> Social Security. Tried to steal the
1:05:59money that was for my younger sister.
1:06:02>> Okay.
1:06:04>> He started stealing her He He's stolen
1:06:06all kinds of [ __ ] to my mother.
1:06:09The argument got really bad. She pulled
1:06:11over.
1:06:12I went to go check on her when that cop
1:06:14booked me in the back of the I didn't
1:06:16want him to kill us.
1:06:18He's threatened to kill her so many
1:06:20times. He's just yelling and screaming.
1:06:23>> That That day when he got to the point
1:06:25to where he was yelling and screaming
1:06:27and I know both you and your mom said a
1:06:29couple He two or three times he yanked
1:06:31the steering wheel. But at any time did
1:06:34he threaten her to kill her that day?
1:06:36>> Yes.
1:06:37>> He did?
1:06:37>> Yes.
1:06:38>> What did he say?
1:06:39>> I don't remember.
1:06:40>> You don't. Okay. All right.
1:06:42>> I
1:06:43I've dealt with my mother in another
1:06:44really bad relationship where the same
1:06:47thing's happening and I kind of tried to
1:06:49tune it out but tried to make sure she
1:06:50was okay.
1:06:51>> Okay.
1:06:52I got you.
1:06:53It's a way of coping, isn't it?
1:06:55Okay.
1:06:56>> I
1:06:57I was abused from the ages of 5 to 15.
1:07:00And he was one of the abusers.
1:07:02>> Like abuse how?
1:07:04>> Um a lot was um
1:07:07threatened to be put on the pantry and I
1:07:08had to go to child protective services
1:07:10about it because I ate a lot so I was
1:07:11stressed because he was constantly
1:07:12accusing us of all kinds of things.
1:07:13>> So basically it was like a verbal
1:07:14emotional abuse kind of abuse.
1:07:16>> Yeah.
1:07:17>> Was it ever sexual?
1:07:19>> No.
1:07:19>> No. Was it ever physical? Did he ever
1:07:21put his hands on you?
1:07:22>> Not that I can remember.
1:07:23>> Okay. All right.
1:07:26>> He used to terrorize my mother, my
1:07:27sisters, and I for so many years.
1:07:31>> Why did your mom stay with him or do you
1:07:32not know?
1:07:33>> As far as I'm aware he had something in
1:07:35court against her. And that he could
1:07:37turn into a divorce and then
1:07:38automatically get custody of my younger
1:07:40sister.
1:07:40>> Okay.
1:07:41>> And I heard that damn bastard mom.
1:07:43>> Yeah. And um
1:07:46It It was some legal shenanigans from
1:07:49what she told me like that but there was
1:07:51no freaking way.
1:07:53And it's he's threatened to kidnap my
1:07:55younger sister on so many occasions to
1:07:57just disappear if he had custody of her.
1:08:03>> Okay.
1:08:07All right. So basically it was she
1:08:09stayed with him because of the threats
1:08:10and then worried about your your younger
1:08:12younger sisters and stuff like that.
1:08:14>> Yeah.
1:08:15>> How often would he come see y'all?
1:08:17>> Not that all often at all. I've maybe
1:08:19seen him three, four, five times in the
1:08:22past few years.
1:08:23>> Wow.
1:08:25>> Yeah.
1:08:25>> So basically
1:08:26>> He would terrorize her over the phone.
1:08:29>> Hours.
1:08:30Why would she stay on the phone with
1:08:32him?
1:08:33>> Custody problems.
1:08:34>> I got you.
1:08:36>> What are you supposed to do when you're
1:08:37when you're constantly threatened that
1:08:39your child is going to be taken away
1:08:40from you if you don't?
1:08:42>> Okay.
1:08:48All righty.
1:08:50Are you sure?
1:08:51Now we're being honest with each other.
1:08:53We're totally honest.
1:08:55I've I've been straight up honest with
1:08:57you and I I expect you to be straight up
1:08:59honest with me.
1:09:00>> As honest as I can be.
1:09:01>> Okay. Was your mother involved in any
1:09:03way with this? Did she know what you
1:09:06were going to do?
1:09:07>> Not at all.
1:09:08Not at all.
1:09:09>> Okay.
1:09:11All right.
1:09:13>> [snorts]
1:09:13>> I wouldn't want to jeopardize her.
1:09:16I just
1:09:18couldn't handle him yelling at her and
1:09:20seeing her peeing on the side of the
1:09:21road.
1:09:22>> Okay.
1:09:24Did you think about it
1:09:26before like before you left Columbus,
1:09:28did you think about that's what you were
1:09:30going to do today?
1:09:30>> No.
1:09:31>> No.
1:09:32>> No. I just kind of
1:09:35I knew I had the gun on me.
1:09:38He was threatening to kill us. I didn't
1:09:40know what to do. If I tried to call the
1:09:42police, it would just escalate. He'd try
1:09:43to lie his way out of it like he does
1:09:45with everything.
1:09:46>> Okay.
1:09:47>> I just rather just
1:09:48get it over with. Problem.
1:09:49>> Okay.
1:09:50>> I didn't want to be end up on the side
1:09:52of the road sideways or something.
1:09:54>> Okay.
1:09:55What what pocket did you have the gun
1:09:57in?
1:09:58>> This one.
1:09:58>> Front? Front right? pocket
1:10:00>> I had it in my front right pocket and I
1:10:02had also had it back behind me.
1:10:04>> Okay.
1:10:06When you walked up to the car, where did
1:10:07you have it? In your pocket or behind
1:10:09you?
1:10:10>> Um
1:10:11>> Okay. Where did you shoot him?
1:10:14>> Uh I think I had it behind me.
1:10:16>> Okay.
1:10:18All right.
1:10:21>> He didn't even know I was loaded. I was
1:10:23carrying my handgun.
1:10:24>> So, he never even saw it coming.
1:10:26>> No. No.
1:10:28>> Okay.
1:10:33All right. Was there anything that you
1:10:35want to ask me?
1:10:37Um is there any questions do you have?
1:10:39>> Am I going for murder or manslaughter?
1:10:41>> Murder.
1:10:43>> Is that 25 years?
1:10:45>> Well, it could be life. It could be just
1:10:47depends on what the court gives you. I
1:10:49don't know.
1:10:52That's a long way down the road before
1:10:53that is even determined.
1:10:55>> I've got my first uh preliminary hearing
1:10:57on Wednesday. Yeah.
1:11:00>> That's just a bond hearing, which which
1:11:03administrative judge can't give bond on
1:11:05a murder charge anyway. So, then it'd be
1:11:07go then it'd go to um
1:11:09what's called a committal hearing where
1:11:11I have to give probable cause. Then I'll
1:11:13be bound over to superior court and then
1:11:16go through the court system, the
1:11:17superior court court system.
1:11:19>> And I don't even have a speeding ticket
1:11:21on my record.
1:11:22>> Yeah.
1:11:23Are you on any medication? What are you
1:11:26on?
1:11:26>> I want 10 mg of escitalopram.
1:11:29>> Is that the only thing?
1:11:30>> Yeah.
1:11:30>> All right. So,
1:11:32>> And I took
1:11:33>> you need to take that every day?
1:11:34>> It helped me a lot.
1:11:36>> Okay.
1:11:36>> I forgot to take it yesterday because we
1:11:38were busy getting the condo ready for
1:11:40him to come and we didn't want anything
1:11:41to be given to him used against us.
1:11:43>> Okay. I'm going to call your uh your
1:11:46Do you know your mama's phone number?
1:11:54All right. So, she said your 13-year-old
1:11:56sister has the same number except the
1:11:59last four are like 10 something. Do you
1:12:02remember?
1:12:02>> It's the same number except the last two
1:12:04digits is 49.
1:12:05>> 49. Okay.
1:12:06>> And that's my youngest sister.
1:12:07>> That's number.
1:12:08>> Yeah.
1:12:09>> All right. I'm going to try to give her
1:12:10a call
1:12:12on Well, I'm going to let you call her
1:12:14and
1:12:15on s-
1:12:18>> If has her phone on and then will
1:12:20actually answer.
1:12:21>> Does she take it to school with her?
1:12:22>> She's home schooled.
1:12:23>> Oh, she's home schooled?
1:12:25Okay. Well, I told your mama to um
1:12:28>> [snorts]
1:12:29>> Expect a call?
1:12:30>> Expect a call from me today.
1:12:32Um
1:12:42All right.
1:12:43>> I would call this up the phone since the
1:12:45business is closed.
1:12:48>> Well, as of right now from the evidence
1:12:50we have, it is a murder, okay?
1:12:52Now, once it gets to the district
1:12:54attorney's office, they'll look at
1:12:56everything and weigh everything and
1:12:59um
1:13:02look at the evidence and all that, and
1:13:04they'll make their determination, okay?
1:13:07All right.
1:13:13>> I just hope my mom can get me a good
1:13:15lawyer and try to help out with this.
1:13:18>> She can get you a lawyer.
1:13:21I mean, one will be appointed for you,
1:13:23you know.
1:13:24>> I've heard those lawyers are bad.
1:13:26>> Oh, yeah? Well,
1:13:28um [snorts]
1:13:31that's not necessarily true.
1:13:33Uh you know,
1:13:35it makes back in the back, they
1:13:39you can't ever tell if they're telling
1:13:41the truth or lying or whatever.
1:13:44But yes, your mom can try to get you an
1:13:46attorney.
1:13:48Um
1:13:49give me just a second. I'm going to let
1:13:51you call someone, okay?
1:13:53>> Mhm.
1:14:06>> Following the interrogation, John Thomas
1:14:08Cloud abandoned his original account and
1:14:11admitted that he had shot his
1:14:12stepfather, Andrew Stankiewicz,
1:14:14>> [music]
1:14:14>> from the rear passenger seat of the
1:14:16Cadillac Escalade.
1:14:18He also directed investigators to the
1:14:20wooded area along Interstate I-85,
1:14:21[music]
1:14:22where he had concealed the Glock
1:14:24handgun.
1:14:25Cloud later claimed that he had acted
1:14:27[music] in self-defense and in defense
1:14:28of his mother.
1:14:30However, investigators found no evidence
1:14:32that Andrew was [music] armed or
1:14:33presented an immediate threat. The
1:14:35physical evidence showed that Andrew had
1:14:37been struck three times in the back
1:14:39[music] while seated and restrained in
1:14:41the front passenger seat.
1:14:43Bullet paths through the seatback and
1:14:45windshield also confirmed that the shots
1:14:46[music] had originated from inside the
1:14:48vehicle rather than from an outside
1:14:50assailant.
1:14:51Cloud's case [music] proceeded to trial
1:14:53in Troup County, Georgia in January
1:14:552026.
1:14:56Prosecutors [music] presented the
1:14:58vehicle evidence, the recovered firearm,
1:15:00and Cloud's changing explanations to the
1:15:02jury.
1:15:03After approximately 30 minutes of
1:15:05deliberation, the jury [music] found
1:15:06Cloud guilty of malice murder and the
1:15:08related charges.
1:15:10On January 29th, 2026, [music]
1:15:12he was sentenced to life in prison
1:15:14without the possibility of parole
1:15:16followed by an additional consecutive
1:15:17[music]
1:15:185-year sentence for possessing a firearm
1:15:20during the commission of a felony.
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