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0:00At one point he was holding her hands
0:04and she was saying, "Let me go. Let me
0:06go. Let me go. I'mma [ __ ] you up. Let me
0:08go."
0:13On August 20th, 2024, inside a home on
0:16Merlin Court in Fagetville, Georgia,
0:1940-year-old Carrie Harden was shot nine
0:21times, including [music] once in the
0:22head. Carrie was a registered nurse and
0:25the owner of a successful nurse staffing
0:26company. She [music] lived at the
0:28property with her husband, 39-year-old
0:31Kenneth Harden Jr. and their two young
0:33sons. Authorities were alerted the
0:35following morning when Kenneth's [music]
0:37father contacted Fyet County Dispatch.
0:40Deputies secured the residence and began
0:41[music] searching the property. Inside,
0:44investigators found bullet holes in the
0:46walls, chemical cleaning residue,
0:48[music] and carpeting where blood
0:49appeared to have been scrubbed away.
0:52Outside, a cadaavver dog alerted
0:54investigators to a [music] backyard burn
0:55pit and a nearby shallow grave concealed
0:58beneath yard debris. Car's [music]
1:01partially burned remains were recovered
1:02from that grave. By then, Kenneth was no
1:05longer in Georgia. [music]
1:07Investigators tracked his white Cadillac
1:09roughly 450 m into Louisiana, eventually
1:12locating it outside a motel in
1:14Covington. On the evening of August
1:1721st, [music]
1:18a St. Tam Parish SWAT team surrounded
1:20the motel and took Kenneth into custody.
1:23Now [music] investigators have him in an
1:25interview room and want his account of
1:27what happened inside that house. This is
1:29the interrogation of Kenneth Harden Jr.
1:44And I know uh you're just coming
1:46straight from the jail, but just as a
1:48safety precaution for all of us, I'm
1:50just going to pat you make sure you
1:51don't have anything.
1:52>> Yes, sir. That got on you from the time
1:55you left there.
2:05>> You got a seat. Thank you.
2:10the paperwork that the jail provided me
2:12for my um possessions and my money that
2:16I had.
2:17>> Okay.
2:19>> Do you need some water or coffee or
2:21anything? Or
2:21>> I'll take some coffee.
2:22>> Coffee. What you wanted?
2:24>> Just creamer is fine.
2:25>> Cream. Okay.
2:27I
2:28>> Y'all need something to drink?
2:30>> Good. Bye.
2:32>> Mr. Harden, how are you?
2:33>> Good. How are you?
2:34>> I'm good. Sergeant Wilson with the Pan
2:36Sheriff's Office. This is Captain Lee.
2:38>> Yes, mate.
2:40>> All right.
2:45>> You know why I'm here?
2:46>> Yes, of course.
2:50>> Um,
2:55can you just spell your first name for
2:56me?
2:57>> Ken K E N B T H P H P H P H P H P H P H
2:59P H P H P H P Harden. H R E D I N. Born
3:01in February 13, 1985.
3:06February 13th
3:08>> 13, 1985.
3:11So she
3:14current addresses yesterday or they were
3:16you guys.
3:20>> Um, since you're,
3:24you know, since you're not free to go
3:26and we're talking about a open
3:28investigation, I have to read you this.
3:30Okay. But you probably see it on TV all
3:32the time.
3:32>> You have a right to remain silent.
3:34Anything you say can or will be used
3:35against you in a court of law, you have
3:37the right to you have the right to talk
3:39to a lawyer and have him or her present
3:40while you're being questioned. If you
3:42cannot afford to hire a lawyer, one will
3:44be appointed to represent you before any
3:46question if you wish. And most
3:48importantly, you can decide at any point
3:49in time um during our conversation to
3:51exercise these rights and not answer any
3:53questions or make any statements. Do you
3:55understand everything that I just read
3:56to you?
3:57>> Yes, ma'am.
3:57>> Okay. And have an understanding that you
3:59want to move forward with talking to us?
4:00>> Yes, ma'am. And I need to do that for
4:01Elijah's sake. Um, based on what I heard
4:04from uh your conversations yesterday,
4:07>> it's most it's most appropriate to do
4:09that.
4:11>> Okay. Well, you fill me in.
4:14>> Well, Lashia arrived at around I guess
4:171:30 2:00 somewhere in that time frame.
4:21Um, I was not privy to the conversation
4:23specifically um that you had at the van.
4:25However, when staff, including yourself,
4:27came back over to
4:29um the gay area, there was a lot of
4:32conversation that would suggest that
4:34somehow Elijah's involved in something
4:36he's not. Um we took on Elijah
4:40uh when he was 15.
4:44Um his grandmother had put him out of
4:46the home in Reynolds County. His father
4:49committed suicide in Reynold County
4:51jail.
4:52>> Where's Sorry. Where's Reynolds County?
4:54Southern Missouri.
4:55>> Oh, okay.
4:56>> I'm sorry. Um, you know,
4:59>> and um I got up out of my desk and she
5:02told me that that's what she was doing.
5:04I only got him and um he's been with us
5:07ever since. We the two of us, thank you
5:10very much. The two of us are all have
5:16got some coffee cuz it's cold. The jail
5:17is so freezing. It's got
5:20so cold.
5:20>> Slide that everywhere. Yeah. Um,
5:24so he has had nothing to do
5:27uh with anything that has gone on.
5:32That's why I stopped.
5:34Um, you know, obviously Onstar is
5:37telling you what my movement is. My
5:38movements stop around that time cuz I'm
5:40like now
5:42I was not
5:45intending on Elijah to be caught in
5:47this. I was like, "What? You know, or
5:50Johnny or my sons, they have or my
5:53father, they have zero to do with
5:56anything that's going on." So, I needed
5:59to make sure that that's clear. I have I
6:02have an attorney. I have multiple
6:03attorneys, but I need to make sure that
6:04that's clear that them boys,
6:07uh, Elijah, Jonathan,
6:10Kennethan Kingston, they have zero to do
6:12with
6:14>> Who's Johnny?
6:15>> Johnny's a longterm friend of mine. Um,
6:17I met Johnny.
6:18>> But he he doesn't live at that house on
6:20>> He does. He's staying with us right now
6:22currently.
6:22>> Does he?
6:23>> Yeah, he was. He was staying in the uh
6:24the basement uh the guest bedroom down
6:27in the basement adjacent to the movie
6:28theater.
6:29>> Okay.
6:31>> I don't know. We met him.
6:33>> He did meet him. He was in the He was in
6:35the van with Elijah.
6:37>> Yeah.
6:39>> Okay.
6:41>> I don't remember seeing you yesterday,
6:42so it's possible.
6:44>> I'm sure.
6:45I know a lot of people were so Yeah. Um
6:49>> yeah, Johnny was in the band.
6:51>> Okay.
6:52>> Well, a lot.
6:54And um
6:56they have nothing. They they don't know
6:58anything. [clears throat]
6:59There's nothing they can tell you cuz
7:00they don't know anything. I didn't talk
7:01to them. You know, it just is what it
7:03is. So
7:06now, what question do you have for me?
7:08>> We're just trying to put the pieces
7:11together, trying to figure out.
7:12>> There seems to be some confusion about
7:13that. as if there was some uh something
7:16that's not completely obvious. I I flew
7:18my dad down here on uh
7:24today's Thursday. I flew my dad down
7:27Tuesday evening.
7:30Um I told him that it was emergency.
7:33You see the text messages. So you
7:35already know that. You already know that
7:36I did not discuss anything with him. I
7:40then contacted my driver. I had
7:42preferred that he beat Elgen, but
7:44Elgen's in California because um Elgen
7:47Jr. is going to be signing up with with
7:50uh baseball in college out there. So, he
7:53said that he was sending his man Rico,
7:55I've never met this man. And that ended
7:57up working in my favor because then
7:58again, it's the sort of thing where it's
8:01above board. And I'm looking at that
8:03from the view of if there is all well,
8:06not if all of the accountability starts
8:10with me. is not on anybody else. So, I
8:13brought that to the city. I paid for his
8:14plane ticket. I instructed Rico to take
8:18him to um
8:21the Holiday in Select in Fedville, but
8:23they didn't have any room. So, he took
8:25him to, I believe, the Holiday in
8:28Fairburn. I instructor Rico to pick him
8:31up in the morning at 8:00 a.m. and meet
8:34me at Tennessee Bank on 100 Becky Lane
8:36in Fairfield. Those uh employees know
8:39me. That's why I chose Lopeete. I
8:41withdrew $5,000 in front [clears throat]
8:44of my father, other witnesses.
8:47And um I attempted to have them
8:50notoriize the paperwork that I had, but
8:52because it was serious documents, they
8:54couldn't do it. They gave me a
8:56recommendation on where we could. Came
8:58outside. I still hadn't talked to dad. I
9:00talked with dad only in front of
9:01witnesses. We came outside. I instructed
9:04Rico to follow me to the UPS store,
9:06which is, you know, just the other side
9:08of the plaza. We went there. We signed a
9:10document. That's what dad saw. All the
9:12documents I had was the first time he
9:13saw it. Not to tell you that he was
9:15bothered by it, but it is what it is.
9:18Um,
9:20we signed the documents, made sure he
9:22had a digital copy of it. We came
9:25outside. I had instructed Rico to
9:28provide him at that point with the deed
9:31to the home and the keys.
9:34And then I told dad that at the
9:37conclusion of that conversation that I
9:38was about to have with him, neither did
9:40I know when to tell you all what I had
9:41just told him.
9:43So again,
9:45that is not involved in anything. It's
9:48verified. I don't know Rico from a can
9:51of pain. That's my first time meeting
9:52that man. So you have already
9:53interviewed him. He told you this. Um
9:56because I just told him said, "What do
9:57you want me to do?" I said, "Tell the
9:59police the truth. Tell them everything
10:01that you saw. Tell them what I said to
10:02you. Tell them what you said to me. Tell
10:04them what you said to my father. Tell
10:06them what you have observed for the day
10:09when I um
10:11>> Rico was the one in the black Mercedes
10:13van
10:14>> sprinter. Yes, sir.
10:15>> Okay.
10:15>> Now, you talk
10:18a good guy. Seems like
10:19>> he seen
10:20>> but I don't know.
10:20>> Yeah. Right.
10:22>> Um when I got done speaking with my
10:24father, he obviously was distraught
10:27and um I wasn't going to
10:30stand there and look at that. I left
10:33and u I told Rico as I was closing the
10:37door to this printer, he said, "Uh,
10:40I'm going to pray with him." What he
10:42said? I said, "Okay, I'mma leave. Do not
10:46leave this parking lot until you contact
10:48the Fed County Sheriff.
10:55I closed the door
10:59and my dad was uncontrolled.
11:06The last year has been rough.
11:11At this point, you've had an opportunity
11:12to kind of look at that. What is added
11:15to that
11:17is
11:19the drinking
11:23the accident that we were in. We were in
11:25an accident September uh 2023.
11:30We were hit by somebody
11:34shooting down the street. We were in
11:36Malibu while we were in St. Louis
11:37enjoying company and time with friends
11:41and
11:44The car bumped me. I had looked at her
11:46and we were joking about something. I
11:48was telling her, "Hey, pick some music
11:50we can ride to." And then boom.
11:53And the car sent me into a pole. I hit
11:56that pole at about 45 miles an hour.
11:58Broke my collarbone as I was trying to
12:02She had her seat belt on. It was just
12:04first reaction was to just grab her.
12:08She was just grabbing everywhere. She
12:10broke her arm in three places. They had
12:13to put a metal plate in our arm. Um,
12:19fractured her sternal.
12:21We we were we were messed up. It was a
12:23bad accident. A bad worst accident
12:24happened.
12:27And after that, we both were prescribed
12:28medication.
12:30And I continue using medication after I
12:33ran out because
12:35it's it's it was hard to function. Like
12:38the collarbone injury is something that
12:40I can't really describe other than to
12:42say that it's annoyingly painful,
12:44inconveniently so at the times when you
12:47need to rest your body, it's painful.
12:49You can't sleep on this side. So then it
12:51causes pain on this side to build up cuz
12:53you always lay on it. So anyway, I've
12:56been privately sourcing
12:58um
13:00I we both acknowledged
13:04that we needed to fall back from the
13:07alcohol. So I had limited my use
13:10daily. I was only drinking like one
13:12glass of Grand Marray a day and that was
13:15just to go to sleep.
13:18and she was committing to do the same.
13:22About 3 weeks ago, a buddy of mine that
13:25I work in construction with, he bought
13:27her
13:29uh some bottle of wine, vodka or
13:32something. I'm not sure what it is.
13:35He had drank a little bit of it, but
13:36then she gave it to me. It was down in
13:38my office
13:41on the day of the incident on Monday
13:46in front of both Johnny and Elijah.
13:49She had come down to the office and we
13:51were celebrating a good day. I've been
13:53having a lot of what the dichotomy of
13:56this is is typically the people who you
13:58are interviewing this position are not
14:00in my lifestyle
14:02and I know that that provides
14:05more questions and I know that leads
14:08y'all to make like certain assumptions
14:09that's probably not true but been
14:11experiencing a lot of success like
14:13everything that I'm touching with the
14:14construction business has been panning
14:16out and I had just closed a $20,000 deal
14:18with a guy he lives right around he
14:20lives 5 minutes from the house but was
14:22building a showroom garage and she had
14:24heard that. So, she was excited. I was
14:26excited. We were having a good time. And
14:28uh she like, "Can I have my liquor?" And
14:31I had lied and told her I had poured it
14:33out, but she knew I pour out liquor out.
14:37So, I had it in my bathroom cabinet. I
14:38went and got it. I gave it to her. Um
14:44and then there's a there's a gap there.
14:47I guess people ate dinner, that kind of
14:48stuff.
14:51I know I did make some phone calls cuz I
14:53came downstairs. I think I was talking
14:55to Kevin, the guy who gave her the
14:56liquor
14:59about the deal
15:01and I fell asleep in my red chair.
15:05It was spun around.
15:08Uh, she bust into the room.
15:13[snorts] The camera stamp will tell you
15:14when that was. I think it's about 8 or
15:16something.
15:19and asking me if I was going to come
15:20upstairs.
15:22I'm like, "What's up with the tone?
15:23Like, you been drinking?" And she hate
15:26when I ask her that. Like, if I say
15:28like, "You've been drinking."
15:30And um
15:32we started arguing. And I'm like, "Where
15:35the [ __ ] we go?" You know? Um
15:40I'm trying to think if I ate. I don't
15:42remember if I ate or not.
15:45I don't remember if I ate or not. So,
15:47I'm sorry I can't provide that detail.
15:51I know that that conversation was uh
15:53that argument was rough. She hit me in
15:55the head with it's a metal
15:58stud thing
16:00that's in my office. And I had a pretty
16:03[clears throat] decent size knot. It's
16:04gone down now. So,
16:07um
16:09I pushed her off of me.
16:12at one point even was holding her hands
16:16and she was saying, "Let me go. Let me
16:18go. Let me go. I'mma [ __ ] you up. Let me
16:20go." I'm like, "You got to calm the [ __ ]
16:22down." And by the way, I know that's not
16:25typical for most married couples. It's
16:26typical for us. They they have said we
16:29toxic or whatever. Um,
16:33I let her up.
16:36She said a lot of [ __ ] but she went
16:38upstairs.
16:40I called dad. I started I know at that
16:42point I was drinking and I called dad
16:44and
16:47um
16:51man I wish I had my phone so I could
16:53make sure I'm telling you this timeline
16:54in the appropriate order. I'm not sure
16:56if I called dad before she kicked in the
16:59sun room or not. The sun room door or
17:01not. I know the sun room door, got
17:03kicked in
17:06at around 11:00 because Elijah had taken
17:09taken the dogs out at that exact time.
17:11He didn't know that that was going on
17:13and he became aware of it because he
17:15heard all the commotion and when he came
17:18up the kitchen
17:20and um
17:23saw the door, he looked real weird. He
17:26turned around
17:28and he kind of like backed up.
17:32And I'm like, why did you kick the the
17:34sun room in? She had left. She had been
17:37coming and going. And she does that a
17:39lot. She been doing that since I met her
17:41where we'll have an argument and she'll
17:43leave. In the beginning, it was a cat
17:45and mouse thing where she'll leave cuz
17:46she liked the fact that I would chase
17:48her. And I remember being back in St.
17:50Charles County and St. Charles police
17:53like, "Man, y'all got to stop all this
17:55cuz you know she a speeding behind her,
17:57racing down the street. Come home. come
18:00home. She been doing that. But I learned
18:02as I got older like that stuff is
18:05dangerous. So I'm going just stay put.
18:06Whenever she leave, I'm going just stay
18:08put. She left and came back a couple of
18:09times. And I know that at some point I'm
18:12like just leave or just call the police.
18:14Like if you feeling like it's what it is
18:16cuz she kept saying that she felt like I
18:18had hurt her. But see, that was the
18:20other thing was
18:23I was protective of what I was saying
18:25because I've been in several situations
18:27with her where she's called law
18:29enforcement and said that I did
18:31something to her that I didn't do.
18:34Uh the largest time would have been in
18:362013 when that restraining order got
18:38pulled and um she had bruises on her
18:42arms, but that wasn't for me. It was
18:43from a patient at a facility and I had
18:47to wait two weeks on a restraining order
18:50just to show that judge those text
18:52messages so I could get out of that
18:54situation. And he told us both never to
18:57come back to this court again. But
19:01there was another time where she and
19:03Bale Fountain would have a record of
19:04that where she had called the police.
19:07She had took a sock, put a orange in it
19:09and hit herself in the face.
19:11See, the thing was I was outside the
19:13whole time with my neighbor and I came
19:16outside cuz I felt it going that way.
19:18So, I said, I need to get in front of a
19:20witness. And when the police arrived,
19:24um, they were pretty hostile with me.
19:28And it was starting to piss me off that
19:30I'm keep as a as a as a black man, I
19:33keep having to interact with the police
19:35that are going to be hostile because
19:37they're being told things that are not
19:39true.
19:41And um they were hostile with me, but my
19:44neighbor was like, "Ken has done
19:46nothing. He's been standing here with
19:47me. He has cameras. That's why that's
19:50why I have cameras. They be cutting it."
19:52And I argue with her in front of a lot
19:54of cameras because I know that it's
19:55going to protect me if
19:58they went and talked to her, found out
20:00it was a BS story, and they asked me if
20:02I'm under press charges. Under no
20:04circumstance would I press char
20:07just understand what we dealing with. So
20:08he called back. And this history is
20:11filled with moments where my dad has
20:14intervened as somebody who has tried to
20:18either help.
20:21And she's always resented that. So
20:24she'll say, you know, it hasn't been too
20:26many days since she text me and said,
20:28tell your dad he won. You know, she text
20:31cryptic stuff like that because she's
20:33not only battling me in her head, she's
20:35battling my father.
20:37And uh I don't really know why that is
20:39because dad has not done anything but
20:41try to help her. You know, he's broken.
20:42And if you talk to my father in the past
20:4548 hours, you understand where his heart
20:48is.
20:49Um but for whatever reason, she has not
20:52ever been able to discern that.
20:54And um
20:56[clears throat]
20:59go back to the sun room. So,
21:04she said I I was playing games with her
21:08prior to her kicking in or something.
21:09This is why she was leaving. And it's
21:11around 11:00.
21:13At 10:30,
21:16the protocol in the house is to go
21:18around and lock all the bottom locks.
21:21You've seen my home. We have a lot of uh
21:26hands-free locks. However, you need to
21:29lock the bottom lock at the end of the
21:30day because as you all have discerned by
21:33now, the gate code open the doors.
21:38Yeah. So, that little thumb piece that's
21:41got the numbers around it, the code you
21:42put in there is the same one you would
21:44use to get access to my gate. And
21:46multiple people had access to that gate.
21:48So, we lock the bottom lines because
21:50otherwise that's a problem because then
21:51[clears throat] somebody come up on me
21:53and you can tell I'm paranoid. I have a
21:54lot of cameras. There's cameras in the
21:56woods. There cameras everywhere. I want
21:58to make sure my family stays safe. And
22:00because my home is so big, it's not like
22:03it it was on Green Acres. I can't hear
22:06and I'm sleeping heavier cuz I'm
22:07drinking. I need to be able to make sure
22:09that the tools that I have available to
22:11me are are working. So, that was a part
22:12of that standard procedure that I'm
22:14almost certain that Kenneth was a part
22:16of cuz he helps now. It's cute. He'll
22:18lock doors. Elijah was a part of that
22:21Johnny was a part of because it's been
22:22explained to everybody. 10:30, 11:00, we
22:26locking everything down like four
22:27knocks, then we're going to go to sleep.
22:30So during this time where she had left,
22:32that has occurred. So when she came
22:34back, I'm pretty sure it's I'm pretty
22:35sure video of this of me standing in the
22:38private part of the uh the master
22:40bedroom on deck and she's saying, "You
22:42playing games with me?" I'm like, "What
22:44are you talking about? You playing games
22:45with me? I can't get in the house. None
22:47of this shit's working." And I'm like,
22:48"What are you talking about? Like use
22:50your key. The key you have unlocks that
22:53bottom lock.
22:54And I think she was saying she didn't
22:56have a key. I'm like, that's not on me.
22:58Like, I don't know that you don't have
22:59your key. Like, why don't you have your
23:00key?
23:02And it just so happened that that
23:05basement door's battery was having some
23:07sort of an issue cuz I went down and I
23:10actually
23:15I don't know if it's on my phone
23:18recorded or if it's Elijah's phone, but
23:20it was at that moment when he was coming
23:22back from the dogs and he was having
23:24trouble getting into the door. So I went
23:26down there with him. I'm like record us
23:27going so she could see. Nobody's bsing
23:30her with this. like something wrong with
23:32the door, but it's not working. I had
23:33tried it. It wasn't working. So then I'm
23:35like, "Okay, something is wrong with the
23:36door." And it just so [ __ ] happens to
23:37be at this exact bad moment. Now she
23:39feel like I'm learning about the house.
23:41But again, it's multiple doors
23:44and um
23:47we arguing while I'm trying to fix the s
23:50room.
23:52She talking [ __ ] First she tried to fix
23:55it.
23:57She had put plastic bags up. That's why
23:59I don't know if the plastic bag is still
24:01there, but that's why it was on the
24:02ground. And I seen that the glass wasn't
24:05broke. So, I just tightened it up where
24:07I can. I think I text that and I showed
24:11him a picture of that scene. I told him
24:13to pray. I'm like, "Just pray for me
24:14like it's a lot going on."
24:18And then I talked to him.
24:22After everything had settled down, we
24:24went our separate ways
24:27and I'm outside. I talked to him
24:29probably almost an hour or so. I sat in
24:32a box truck.
24:36Um, the vital mistake that was made was,
24:41you know, I was shot at Maddic City. You
24:44dug into that that far yet?
24:47All right. I was shot at Magic City uh
24:50November the 24th, 2022. I currently
24:53have a open lawsuit with them in Fulton
24:55County
24:55>> with Magic City. You have a lawsuit?
24:57>> Yes, sir.
24:58>> Okay.
24:58>> So, I'm the owner, Mr. Magic, and also
25:00the club itself.
25:02Um and in that lawsuit, I allege that,
25:05you know, there's negligence because one
25:07of the security guards decided decided
25:10to shoot the ground.
25:11>> Mhm.
25:12>> And the bullet ricocheted up, hit me in
25:13the penis, it took out my left testicle,
25:16and it hit me in the thigh. Came out the
25:17back of my thigh. almost killed Elg.
25:20Um,
25:22that's a part of this too because a lot
25:25of her frustration is
25:27I don't work how I used to work because
25:30I was shot in the penis and I lost a
25:32testicle
25:33and she likes to bring that up in those
25:36fights.
25:38And um
25:40so prior to that,
25:44huge gun advocate,
25:47volunteer to train conceal and carry
25:49back in Missouri. Um would volunteer to
25:53train people on on gun safety,
25:57really into guns, a member of the NRA.
25:59But after that shooting, I stopped all
26:01of that. And it was because of the fact
26:04that
26:07um I felt a spiritual connection with
26:09that. So I wanted to step away from it
26:12and
26:13I built the current display that's in my
26:16master bedroom to hold the firearms and
26:18they have just been sitting there and
26:19nobody's been bothered.
26:22The only fire horn has been seeing usage
26:24is hers because I know she keep it with
26:26her. But I haven't touched I've been
26:28riding with them. I've been going to
26:29customs houses with nothing. I've been
26:31going wherever I'm going because I
26:33haven't really been going anywhere
26:34either. That's the other thing is that
26:36shooting completely changed the
26:37structure of our relationship. It
26:39changed how I move all of that stuff. I
26:41just been really big
26:44sitting still other than normal stuff
26:47these past two weeks.
26:51And I'm almost certain I said this to my
26:53father as well, but two weeks ago when
26:55we had a bad fight, and I sent my text
26:57messages as well, sent hers, too. Um,
27:02she had said,
27:05"I'mma call them white boys. They going
27:07to take care of you. You know, you talk
27:10tough with them white boys."
27:12And I'm connecting that to
27:16what I already know to be true about my
27:18interactions with the police. they are
27:20going to believe what she's saying right
27:22off the bat and then deal with me
27:23accordingly. And I say this time I want
27:26to I want to handle that on my own
27:28terms.
27:30So I'm carrying Monday night
27:33just as I was carrying Sunday and
27:35Saturday Friday because I got this
27:38feeling like it's going to be something
27:39[ __ ] up happening and I want to be in
27:42a position where I can deal with it this
27:43time. She's either gonna send somebody
27:45over or some guy where it's going to be
27:47the police.
27:49So, it's on my hip. I'm having this
27:51conversation with dad and I'm telling
27:53dad that I don't know what to do. That
27:55I'm at my wis end.
27:58Um,
28:01and he's saying, "Well, we've already
28:03tried counseling. She doesn't want to go
28:04to counseling. Maybe she'll go to
28:06counseling by herself if you go with uh
28:08she goes to counseling with a a senior
28:10woman." Is what he said to me.
28:14And I'm like, "All right, Dad." What I
28:16kind of wanted him to do is pray with
28:17me. And unfortunately, I guess it was
28:19too late. And he was probably aggravated
28:21because I had been talking to him about
28:23this a couple hours. He's a grown man
28:25with his own life and family.
28:29And his almost 40-year-old son couldn't
28:30keep his [ __ ] together and got to
28:32continuously deal with that. So, he I
28:35kind of felt like he was blowing me off.
28:36It didn't have nothing to do with what's
28:37happening, but it still kind of felt
28:39that way. At this point, I'm on drink
28:41three.
28:43And I sit down at my table outside my
28:46office. I fire up a cigar and I'm
28:48sitting there drinking and kind of
28:50thinking about everything that is
28:52already taking place.
28:55And um she calls me. It's a quick
28:58conversation at about 12:47 or so
29:03and says that she's going to leave and
29:06take the kids unless we have a
29:08conversation.
29:09I did not immediately get up because I
29:12already knew this was [ __ ] So, I
29:14calm myself, kept my self calm. I
29:16finished my drink and then I went
29:18upstairs. When I went upstairs, I
29:20[ __ ] should have just turned back
29:22around and left because it was different
29:24than what our normal toxic vice was.
29:27Um, because I saw her phone.
29:30Where it was sitting when you went in
29:32the house is not where it was sitting.
29:33It was actually sitting on a bed, but I
29:34saw it. So I'm like like what type of
29:38[ __ ] game is playing her? You know
29:42and we start arguing.
29:45She telling me she going to take the
29:46kids. I told her you're not taking no
29:49kids. You take the kids over my dead
29:51body. You not taking the kids have
29:52nothing. Like why do you keep bringing
29:54up the kids? That's why I said like what
29:55do you keep bringing up the children?
29:58They're not a part
30:00of what's going on. And um
30:04I don't see it that way. You got me
30:06[ __ ] up. I'm tired of your [ __ ] I
30:09want a divorce. You can have a divorce.
30:11You can have whatever you want to have.
30:13But you just not going to take the kids
30:14in the way you think you going to take
30:16the kids. You're not waking them up out
30:17of their sleep like you did in January
30:20of last year. You're not doing all this
30:22[ __ ] with me, Carrie. I don't want
30:23to do this with you no more. Like [ __ ]
30:25all this [ __ ] No, it's [ __ ] you. I'mma
30:27show you. And when she went to grab
30:30towards her gun,
30:32I don't know that she got her hand on it
30:35because when she did that,
30:39um,
30:41I said, "No."
30:43And when I realized what was happening,
30:46I had emptied out that entire
30:49Smith and Wesson MNP shield
30:522.0.
30:53And I don't know if it was seven shots
30:55in there or eight.
30:57But I know that was all.
31:01She got up off of the bed.
31:06And she walked and collapsed into the
31:09sun room.
31:11And at some point before she took her
31:13last breath, she said she was sorry
31:21and said she shouldn't have said what
31:22she said.
31:26And I didn't deal with that because I
31:29started panicking because I said I just
31:33shot my gun in my house. My wife dead
31:36and my little boys are going to run down
31:38here and see this.
31:40Everything you see after that is that
31:43it's not what you all discussing on
31:44camera. And I several times the way that
31:46you guys were talking about it, I kind
31:48of wanted to turn around and come back.
31:50It was it was kind of annoying that you
31:54all couldn't see why I had did what I
31:56did. I didn't do what I did cuz I was
31:58trying to hide something. You can't hide
31:59what happened. It's impossible to hide
32:01it. I did what I did because I was
32:04trying to limit
32:06what my kids Elijah and Jonathan would
32:10see that would lead them to understand
32:12what went on. I didn't tell them what I
32:15what I did. I didn't tell them what was
32:17happening. And I was trying to clean
32:19things in a way where
32:21>> I did not want my like I didn't want my
32:24sons to walk in their mother's blood
32:26coming and knocking on my bedroom door.
32:27I didn't want them to see blood on the
32:29door. I didn't want them to see blood in
32:31the sun room. I didn't want them to see
32:33blood on the carpet. But it was at the
32:35point where I got to the carpet where
32:37I'm like, I'm just making [ __ ] worse.
32:39And I had been drinking. So I wasn't
32:40doing things that I would have done if I
32:42was sober. Um because you know I made it
32:46appear like
32:48like I'm trying to hide something. That
32:51wasn't really the case.
32:54I said, "What am I supposed to do with
32:55our body?" I'm like, "Okay, I'll drag it
32:57outside."
32:59But then I left a blood stain coming all
33:01the way outside everywhere I dragged it.
33:03So I'm like, "Oh my god, now I got to
33:04clean that up cuz the boys are alive
33:06taking the dogs out. He can see it.
33:08Where I'mma put the body,
33:11put it in the woods." And I'm like, my
33:13dogs are going to go down there. A lot
33:15is going to follow them. I need to get
33:17rid of this. So, first I tried to burn
33:20it. I ain't never did no [ __ ] like this.
33:22Uh, I damn near killed myself. You saw
33:24my gas can. Um, you know, when I poured
33:27gasoline onto it, the fire came back and
33:31damn near exploded the can. Thankfully,
33:33it's got that safety mechanism. I
33:35hurried up and threw it down and then I
33:37took it and put it where you found it by
33:38the trailer.
33:40Um, I eventually took that white bucket
33:43that you found. I went and got water out
33:45of the pool and stopped the fire and
33:47just let it be what it was going to be.
33:49The fire had got so big. I'm like, at
33:51this point, my neighbors are going to
33:52see the [ __ ]
33:55I came back in the house and I spent the
33:57rest of the night just cleaning blood
34:00out the sun room and out of the bedroom.
34:03Um, I took the kids to I took a shower
34:09and then I took the children to the bus
34:11stop.
34:12Elijah and them left while I was
34:16in transit to prepare to either take
34:19Kingston or right after I took Kingston
34:21because I had an appointment they had to
34:22be at early.
34:24They left I I believe at around 6:50
34:27a.m. Kingston's bus picks him up at
34:31about 6:40
34:34after Kenneth was picked up um after he
34:38left for his bus. He left at about 7:20.
34:40His bus picks him up at 7:30. I went
34:43back to clean and then I said to myself,
34:47I stood out on the deck and I said,
34:49"From here, I can see her. So, I got to
34:52do something about this [ __ ] Like, I
34:53can't let these boys see it. That's the
34:56only motivation. So, and first I tried
34:59to dig a hole and I never done that
35:00before. And I'm like, this is [ __ ]
35:02hard. So, what's the next move? I'm
35:04like, there's all this debris down here.
35:06And just
35:08put it there. Um, I realize what I'm
35:11telling you is a crime, but I need you
35:12to understand it's just me who did this.
35:14Nobody my boys, nobody else did
35:16anything. I took her. I put wood and
35:19[ __ ] on top of her, dirt that I could
35:22find.
35:24Um,
35:26tried to keep from throwing up. And then
35:29I put a vertical
35:32um, stump there so that I could use that
35:36as a marker so I could tell daddy where
35:38to tell you all to find a body. So when
35:41I talked to daddy in the jail the other
35:42day and he said that you all told him
35:45that you couldn't find a body. I was
35:47like I'm
35:49confounded by that. But then now it
35:51makes sense why your actions are what
35:52your actions are cuz you're thinking
35:55that I have her somewhere or something.
35:56That's not the case. She's exactly where
35:57I told my father that she was behind the
35:59dog kennels under a pile of wood with a
36:02vertical log sitting there.
36:06Um,
36:13so once I completed that, I finished
36:16cleaning what I felt needed to be
36:17cleaned so that I could close the door
36:19to the master bedroom.
36:21I did try and see if I could steam clean
36:23the blood
36:25on the floor. I was like, "Nope, can't
36:27do that."
36:29And then I sat down and face the reality
36:31of what I had done.
36:33Um,
36:39I took my heart off my chest.
36:43I ruined my son's lives.
36:49I cancelled my life is forfeit.
36:55The only person really in my life that's
36:57been a supporter to me, I killed.
37:01I brought shame on my family
37:06and I sat and thought about all that.
37:15I wrote a power of attorney.
37:21I wrote a last will test
37:28and then I was unsure about how I was
37:30going to proceed.
37:32Am I going to murder myself
37:34now that I've done this?
37:38Am I going to choose death by cop?
37:42Or am I just going to surrender? And I
37:45don't think that I cleared that up
37:48until I was in that hotel room
37:51yesterday.
37:54And I think what helped me make that
37:56decision was the morning when I told
37:57Daddy what happened. And his response
38:00was shocking,
38:02but it wasn't shocking because what I've
38:04done is this horrible.
38:06And uh when I called him and I said, I'm
38:10cornered in the hotel room. I literally
38:12just opened the door and came in here
38:14and it's [ __ ] Allstar. I know it is.
38:19And I said, my mind is playing tricks on
38:21me cuz I heard them saying, "Freeze, get
38:22on the ground." But they were doing it
38:23at room five. But I did hear the police
38:26officer when he ran up say he either
38:28went in four or five and he was in a
38:30white Cadillac and it was a white
38:32Cadillac
38:34and [clears throat] it was just a
38:34coincidence that there was another guy
38:36there and he was in a white Cadillac and
38:38they pulled him out of there but they
38:40did that for his safety knowing. I never
38:43had any interaction with them. So they
38:44never knocked on the door. They never
38:46announced themselves. They never gave me
38:48any commands. But I saw them gathering.
38:51I saw them putting on uniforms and
38:53everything. And I I called dad.
38:58I uh I had just went to Walmart. I had
39:02bought some liquor. So, I started
39:03drinking. I started smoking. I had
39:04unplugged people smoke detector so I
39:06didn't set it off in the room and spook
39:08the police.
39:11Took an ox pill, sat down.
39:15I dumped everything out of my bag to
39:17make sure that there were no other
39:19firearms in there. And then I unloaded
39:20my gun because I only had a six shot
39:23Kimber 1911. I wasn't going to be going
39:25against ARs that that's [ __ ] Like
39:27there's no way to do it that way.
39:30Um I locked even though I think on was
39:32blocking it, but I locked the car so
39:34that there was not be the perception
39:35that I was going to come out and try to
39:37run for it. And then I called dad and
39:39I'm like uh you know what what do you
39:42think I should do? You know, and I'm
39:43like, you know, he's like, "You don't
39:45think that this conversation is being
39:46recorded?" I'm like, "I'm pretty sure it
39:48is, Dad." I said, "I don't really have
39:50an option. I'm sitting here right now.
39:53My back is against the wall. I'm backed
39:55into a corner.
39:58And he told me, he said, "Son, I can't
40:00take any more of this."
40:06And I could hear my children in the
40:07background.
40:09And my my 11-year-old's really smart, so
40:12I know he heard that.
40:15And so I made a conscientious decision.
40:17And I made him a promise that I would
40:18surrender peacefully with no resistance.
40:24And that was on the table of options. I
40:27just needed to come to terms with that.
40:31And if you all hadn't have been so good
40:32at your job, you know, maybe I'm maybe
40:35I'm gone. If the GBI hadn't immediately
40:37came and recommended that you track the
40:39OnStar, maybe I do make it to Mexico.
40:42And then the accountability is just in
40:44my head. But I I don't think that that
40:45works. You know, this is the preferred
40:48method. When you ask people about me,
40:50you will find that they're going to tell
40:51you that Ken has always been a person of
40:53accountability and integrity. I've
40:55always been there. So, this is outside
40:57of my character. And I realize that it
40:58puts me in a bad light and that it makes
41:01the things that I'm telling to you
41:03questionable, but no, accountability for
41:06me is the first part. That's the thing
41:07that I need to do.
41:10And um I just had to be
41:15forced to get to this point where I
41:18could do what was necessary. But not
41:20once I knew that that's what I needed to
41:22do. I don't have a problem doing that.
41:23That's why I'm having this conversation
41:25with you. Max is going to be [ __ ]
41:26pissed when he finds out that I've spent
41:29the last hour talking to you without him
41:30being present. But if he had been
41:32present, I wouldn't have changed what I
41:33told you cuz what I just told you was
41:34the truth.
41:36um it's verified um by the by the [ __ ]
41:40that you had already assumed. Um one of
41:43the guys comes out of the house like
41:44some of the team they got to they got to
41:47understand that [clears throat] not
41:48every house is the same. I have ears and
41:50eyes everywhere. You can unplug stuff it
41:52don't change that I'm able to hear
41:54everything you saying and doing. He come
41:55out the house like u talking about the
41:57bullet in the head boy. Remember that?
41:59The way he went about talking about that
42:00was pissing me off. It's like nobody's
42:03trying to hide nothing, Jack. I know
42:05that that bullet hole is in that wall. I
42:08didn't I didn't fix it because there's
42:11nothing that I'm trying to hide here.
42:13What I was doing was that bullet hole
42:16was is it's not really all that
42:17noticeable. He made itself seem like he
42:19was a genius for finding it. I took care
42:22of things that I needed to take care of
42:25that the children would not see. So when
42:27they do come back to that home, when you
42:29all release that crime, have you
42:30released the crime scene yet? It'll be
42:33probably after our conversation.
42:35>> Okay. So, when you release that cry
42:37said, "My son's going to go back and
42:39then they did not know nothing went on.
42:42You all didn't clean up nothing. So, I
42:43needed to make sure it got cleaned up."
42:45So, my boys coming there, they don't
42:47know nothing about this. So, my daddy
42:49going to try to keep it quiet for as
42:52long as we can. And you know what really
42:53[ __ ] me up?
42:55I said to myself, when Elijah finds out
42:57about this, he's going to hate me.
43:05I'm okay with that because I deserve
43:06that.
43:08And when I called bad and told him that
43:11I have successfully surrendered and I
43:13have been booked into whatever the [ __ ]
43:15I don't even know where we're at. I keep
43:17hearing it's either Cington and I keep
43:19hearing this Saint something. So,
43:20whatever it is, I told Daddy that.
43:23[snorts]
43:23and he says uh
43:27he says Elijah want to talk to you
43:31and I'm expecting the worst and he gets
43:33on the phone and he says sir
43:36I just want to tell you that I love you
43:39and I'm
43:56Take your time.
44:00I want to tell you I love you and I'm
44:03not mad at you.
44:07And I got these boys. They're my
44:08brothers.
44:13You all can hear. It's on the uh
44:20on the damn recording line.
44:24I hope this clears this up for you.
44:29From my viewpoint,
44:31I want to make sure I reiterate this. I
44:34am not putting anything on Carrie. We've
44:37had a lot of tough conversations.
44:40We've had a lot of arguments.
44:42We put oursel in a bad situation because
44:45now everything is so [ __ ] volatile
44:47every time we have an argument.
44:51I might even try to claim self-defense.
44:53I just know that when she went to grab
44:55for it,
44:57I like lost control of myself.
45:00And I'm telling you that because that's
45:02how I viewed it. I'm not telling you
45:03that because I'm trying to alleviate
45:05myself from taking another.
45:08I also acknowledge on record that it
45:12looks incredibly [ __ ] up that I
45:14desecrated
45:16her corpse after the fact. And I did not
45:18do that because I was trying to hide
45:20what I what happened as the officers at
45:23the scene were talking about it in front
45:24of the dog kle for a half hour
45:26disrespectfully talking about me and my
45:29wife.
45:31Uh I did that
45:34just so that my sons
45:37wouldn't see me. I knew that she would
45:40be found. So if I queue her in a place
45:43where they can't see what's going on,
45:48that's where I was at with that. That's
45:50it.
45:52I left
45:55because of how you arrived
46:00and with all of the resources that I
46:02have access to after you all had the
46:04conversation, I believe you did at the
46:06sprinter with dad, whoever was first on
46:08the scene. It wasn't. I don't think it
46:09was either one of you all, but I
46:10couldn't really see it was so far back.
46:12But whoever was first on the scene when
46:13the sprinter was still there
46:15>> and then you all made the decision that
46:17you needed to go check the house. It was
46:19at least 11 of you. And how you came in
46:21the triangle formation would have
46:23represented a problem for us and for you
46:25if we had allowed that to occur while I
46:27was there. That's why I left. I got body
46:30armor. I got body shields. I got
46:31ballist. I got scopes. I'm a excellent
46:34shot. That would have been a terrible
46:35thing. You saw what's in my vehicle.
46:38And I'm not saying that it's in my
46:39vehicle because I planned on it. But I'm
46:40saying all that's in my house too.
46:44And and under those circumstances,
46:46that's my counsel. Like I just I don't
46:49know if I'm explaining that in a way
46:50that makes sense to you. I hope it does.
46:52But that kind of aggression, you doing
46:54your job, but I'm perceiving that as
46:56aggression.
46:58Like I told the police yesterday, I
47:00don't have any beef with you, so you
47:02don't have to worry about me harming
47:03you. And I don't have any beef with Fed
47:05County either.
47:07You look at the history of that address
47:09and what I've done. I've chased
47:10criminals out of that out of that city.
47:12I'll work with you. So, I back the boo.
47:15I don't have a problem. And I know that
47:17that was going to that's why I've been
47:19trying to avoid this with her because it
47:21puts me in
47:23I'm trying to maintain the respect that
47:25I have as a respectable man. I can't do
47:27that having police at my address.
47:31And I knew that if you all came
47:35in light of me deciding to to tell you
47:38myself
47:39that it's going to end up a shootout and
47:41you not going to be at a a place of
47:43advantage.
47:45I was suicidal and this call is
47:48important so pull it. I was suicidal
47:52January 31st, 2023 because of all of
47:55these things. I purposely set the alarm
47:58at my home and I went and laid in the
48:01woods in the same way about about the
48:04same place that Carrie was at. You do
48:07have a body, right?
48:09>> Yes.
48:09>> Okay.
48:10>> Yes.
48:10>> Daddy was saying that he was told that
48:12he did.
48:13>> He [snorts] Yeah. He didn't tell us
48:15where. He just said in the woods. So
48:18>> he was probably too messed up to
48:20>> And I get it. It's It's traumatic for
48:22him, too.
48:23>> Yeah. I never showed him like I'm just
48:24telling him this.
48:25>> Right.
48:26Right.
48:28>> Um I was about laid in that same spot.
48:31You all showed up. I control my
48:34property. I cut all the lights.
48:39But before I continue with that, um I
48:42know God's hand on my life because two
48:45weeks prior to that,
48:47uh we had just uh
48:51finished the business with one of our
48:54Cadillacs. I'm not sure which one. And
48:56anyway, Carrie had been pulled over in
49:00pretty close proximity to Fed County
49:02Sheriff's Office by a female officer.
49:04She had braids. She's light-skinned.
49:07We had a good old time when I pulled up.
49:08I brought the paperwork to show
49:10[clears throat] them that the vehicle
49:11was good. And we had a good old time,
49:14her and the other officer that came.
49:17Fast forward to January 31st.
49:20And you guys are running through with
49:22flashlights. You got your weapons drawn.
49:24be trying to find out what's what as you
49:26should.
49:28And um
49:30I hear her voice. I'm literally dialed
49:33in down in the woods and I hear her
49:36voice say,
49:38"My feet hurt. I don't want to work my
49:40shift, my boy." And it completely broke
49:43through that.
49:48These are not my enemy. These are my
49:50friends. I feed her. She just wanted to
49:53go home.
49:56And I laid in that position until y'all
49:58left. Couldn't find that. That's what
49:59that first call says.
50:01>> You came back a second time that
50:02morning. Um I was locked in my office
50:07sitting in that red chair. Two officers
50:10came. You all ran the place on the
50:12vehicles. I watched you do that. And
50:14then you came down and you checked that
50:15office. I'm not sure if
50:18uh somebody said something about that or
50:20not, but uh
50:24you know, it's been a long time with
50:25this. Outside of this, I guess there
50:27some other [ __ ] that I probably need to
50:28tell you. I got shot in Medic City
50:31taking her family members out for the
50:33night.
50:35I chose a lot of other different places,
50:38but the reason we ended up in Magic City
50:40because I was on the side dating a young
50:42lady that that uh works at the club. I
50:45ended up in a relationship with this
50:47woman because of some behaviors that
50:50Carrie exhibited from the span of 2018
50:55up until the present.
50:58That is the catalyst for most of our
51:00arguments. It's either me talking to her
51:02about the hurt that she caused me. It's
51:04essentially cockholding like to witness
51:07and and and and and see and then it's
51:10something that's made fun of especially
51:11in light of my injury to my penis.
51:15Um, and then my reaction to that where I
51:19had this relationship with this young
51:21lady
51:23and we were in a very volatile time
51:26because she was doing this what she was
51:28doing in front of me and in front of
51:30some of my family and so I felt it only
51:32right to do the same. So it's a iPad in
51:35my bathroom. The reason that iPad is
51:37sitting there is because I had once upon
51:39a time had my phone connected to that.
51:42So everything that took place on my
51:43phone, Carrie could see. I know how
51:44women are. They going to get nosy and
51:46investigate some stuff. And she would go
51:48and look at that. She saw where I was
51:50at. She knew that I was seeing this
51:52young lady. And she didn't say nothing
51:54about it for months and months. And I
51:57felt kind of like I got judged
52:00by
52:04getting shot. What was interesting is
52:07after I got shot and Carrie had I'm at
52:11the hospital and Carrie had my phone
52:13with me and she had my Apple Watch. She
52:17went through my Apple Watch and read a
52:19lot of [ __ ] that was in my phone. When I
52:22woke up from surgery, she was standing
52:24over me with a look and I'm like,
52:26"Okay." So, she knows now. And we came
52:30home and she said, "I just want to know
52:32why." And I told her, I said, "You hurt
52:34me bad." like
52:37and she said, "Well, I didn't think it
52:38was a problem because it's with another
52:40woman." And I'm like, "No, it's still a
52:42problem because it's not something you
52:45and I mutually agreed to. I'm just
52:47having to deal with it because you feel
52:49like it's something that I like." And I
52:51said, "I told you that it hurt me and
52:53you continue to do it." And I said, "The
52:55times that you did what you did at the
52:56club in front of my family members on
52:58multiple occasions with pitches and all
53:00this [ __ ] it was beyond the pill. Well,
53:03why don't you just leave me because I
53:05love you and I'm forgiving you about it,
53:08but I'm having trouble getting over it.
53:11Like, I don't want to leave you, but I
53:12need you to know that it hurt me. And
53:14that's why I did what I did to try and
53:16get I guess essentially my lick back.
53:18Like, that's what I did. I did what I
53:20did
53:21because of what you did. I would have
53:23never did it if you hadn't did what you
53:24did. And she says, "I read the messages
53:27between you and Sard. That's her name."
53:31And I can tell she loves you, but I want
53:33to meet her.
53:35And I'm like, "What the [ __ ] is what I'm
53:38thinking? I didn't say that. I was laid
53:40up hurt."
53:42I called Shade
53:45and um I told her to tread carefully
53:48here cuz Carrie's volatile and she might
53:50try to slap the [ __ ] out about you when
53:51she see you.
53:55and I'mma leave that decision up to you.
53:58And she said she wanted to take the
53:59risk. Car and her ended up hitting it
54:01off. I guess we had a little manage
54:04thing going on for a while. I mean, I'm
54:06inopable, so it wasn't like I was really
54:08a participant.
54:10Shade started permanently moving stuff
54:13into the house and march in that
54:14upstairs master bedroom that's got the
54:16lock on it. That's kind of like Carrie's
54:18like girl cave.
54:22And
54:25the situation switched up because I had
54:29again an alcohol related event. We had
54:32all got all three of us had got drunk
54:34and passed out. And when I woke up
54:37between the two of them, I was so hot.
54:39I'm sweating. I mean, the fan was not
54:41hitting me cuz I'm laid in the middle of
54:43these two ladies, these two women. I got
54:46up and I went down where Johnny is
54:47sleeping right now in the that that
54:49bedroom in the basement. It's a cool
54:50bedroom. and I went back to sleep. I
54:53woke up to Carrie screaming at me and I
54:55looked over and Shade was laying next to
54:57me. So, what had happened was after I
54:59had got up and came downstairs and
55:00passed out again,
55:03I guess Shard woke up and she came and
55:05laid where I was at. But from Carrie's
55:07perspective, that looked like I was
55:09doing something off to the side, so it
55:11made her mad. Then Carrie went in, I
55:15guess a couple days later or whatever,
55:16went through Shade's phone and found out
55:18how the strippers communicate with the
55:20with the clients that they dealing with.
55:22You know, I know all this stuff about
55:23Shade. Like, it never bothered me
55:25because I was using Shade
55:28to get my lick back. I didn't do it with
55:31somebody Shade as our as me and Carrie.
55:33She's 37, 38.
55:37I could have found at Magic City a
55:3820-year-old and it would have been
55:39easier actually than it is to try and
55:41date someone that old cuz they're
55:43talking about marriage and kids and [ __ ]
55:44that a young girl is not going to be
55:45talking about.
55:48Um, but I I chose her because of that
55:51the level of maturity and stuff, but
55:53she's still going to talk like a
55:55stripper would talk. So, she's talking
55:57about the experience that she's getting,
55:59the vacations that she's going on. You
56:01know, she took two family trips with us.
56:05The money that she's getting, I had told
56:07Carrie, don't give her her old wedding
56:09ring cuz we've upgraded Carrie's wedding
56:11ring four times now. She gave her, I
56:13think, ring two, had it resized. And I
56:16said, don't do that. It sets a bad
56:17precedent cuz it makes s.
56:22I never really fully trusted it. Like I
56:24knew that it was some [ __ ] in the gang
56:26cuz I know my wife. I know how she get
56:28down, but I was going to be a by
56:30bystander. I wasn't going to intervene
56:32in it. But she read those text messages
56:35and then they had a huge fight that I
56:38witnessed. And Sa's problem was she had
56:41just moved into the house. The moving
56:44trucks had just been there.
56:47She had just moved out of her apartment.
56:50She had to find somewhere for her sister
56:52who has a mental disability to stay.
56:57And then Carrie's turning around and
56:59telling her that she's got to leave and
57:00she felt like I should have her back.
57:01And I told Shandai, I'm not going to
57:03have your back over my wife. The mission
57:05that I had is completed. Like I was
57:07trying to piss Carrie off. I've done
57:09that. At this point, like you on your
57:11own. Like if she don't want you here in
57:13my house, then you got to go. Like
57:15whatever you need. And I paid for
57:17another moving company to come right
57:18back. Her house her her full possessions
57:20was in the house a week or two.
57:23and they took it and she left and she's
57:26a witness to the Magic City shooting.
57:28So, I would have liked to have not
57:29burned that bridge because it appears
57:31now
57:34she's like the star witness cuz she is
57:37an employee of Magic City.
57:40Um,
57:42she saw the entire shooting. She saw the
57:46what started it. And I know that I've
57:48lost that now, but I I have that video
57:51evidence. I'm sure Max can figure it all
57:53out. But
57:55um her and I no longer communicate. We
57:56haven't talked since that day. I changed
57:58she got put out of the house in April. I
58:00changed my number in May. She don't even
58:02have a way to get in contact with me.
58:05Something I'm trying to tell Carrie.
58:08And Carrie just seems to think
58:11cuz it went on 8 months and she got a
58:14right to think that that there's
58:16something going on. So, even when we had
58:19the fight two weeks ago, it's the reason
58:21I told you all that because I kind of
58:22think it like gives more insight into
58:24what actually we are actually arguing
58:26and fighting about.
58:28Two weeks ago, she bought me Enzo. And I
58:31know this is some real serious [ __ ] but
58:34if you get a chance to go to Enzo, I
58:36recommend you get the roasted chicken
58:38and the fire salad. That shit's so good.
58:41And Carrie knows I like it,
58:44so she buys it for me a lot. And um she
58:47bought it for me. But when she came
58:49back, she was gone like 2 hours, hour
58:52and a half, somewhere in there. When she
58:54came back with the food, I was like,
58:56"Where you been at?" And she was like,
58:58"Get food." I'm like, "It takes you like
59:0020 minutes." Like, "What? What's taking
59:02you so long today?" I had called her
59:05earlier that day while I was sitting in
59:06Jasmine Johnson's office. Jasmine
59:08Johnson can verify this. She's the
59:10insurance agent right there at Glenn
59:12Street.
59:14Beautiful young ladies. they pregnant
59:16now, her and her husband. And I called
59:18her from Jasmine Johnson's office and I
59:20said, "Uh,
59:25you want to go to Enzo tonight?" And she
59:26was like, "No,
59:29I'll get you some food from there, but I
59:30don't want to go." And I'm like, "Okay."
59:32So, fast forward to when she gets back.
59:35I didn't know she was drunk yet
59:38until I said, "What took you so long?"
59:40And then I could see the freshness in
59:42her behavior. I'm like, "Oh, this drunk.
59:45Damn it. It's about to be a fight." And
59:48then she says, "Do you want to go to
59:50Enzo tomorrow?" And I'm like, "No, I got
59:53a full day tomorrow. I got a, you know,
59:55I got clients.
59:58Why do you want to go today? I mean,
59:59you're talking about these guys that you
1:00:01met and now you want to go back there,
1:00:02but when I ask you, you don't want to
1:00:04go." And then that led to a fight. So, I
1:00:06took my dad's advice that day. I didn't
1:00:09call him that day, but I took advice
1:00:10that he's previously given me.
1:00:12I saw that coming. I saw a big fight
1:00:14coming and I got up and left. I left the
1:00:17food sitting right where it was sitting
1:00:18at.
1:00:20I got up. I went out of the door to the
1:00:22the privacy part of the deck. Went down,
1:00:24got in my car, backed out and went to
1:00:27Hardies
1:00:29and um
1:00:33ordered a five piece tender and she was
1:00:36texting me saying, "Tell that [ __ ] I
1:00:37said hi." I'm like, "What [ __ ] are you
1:00:40talking about?" like so it was that sort
1:00:42of thing. It's so bad that what I did
1:00:44was I I removed the uh recorder from my
1:00:47car and put the put the um video of me
1:00:52backing out the entire video which the
1:00:55entirety of it is me leaving the home
1:00:58and going up on
1:01:00uh 85 and getting some Hardies and then
1:01:02coming back home. I put that on my
1:01:04computer in case she needed to see it. I
1:01:06kept the bag like looking like like
1:01:07here's the evidence, here's the receipt.
1:01:09Like I didn't go nowhere. I was gone 30
1:01:10minutes and when I came back she was
1:01:12still argumentative about it saying I
1:01:14had
1:01:16uh went to see somebody and um that was
1:01:19by phone because actually that day she
1:01:22left and didn't come back. I didn't
1:01:25bother her. I didn't call her but she
1:01:28was gone for uh the entirety of the
1:01:30night and did not come back home until I
1:01:32think noon the next day
1:01:35and she left as soon as I came back from
1:01:37Hardy. So I the argument tried to start
1:01:39and I stopped it by leaving and when I
1:01:42came back 30 minutes later she stayed
1:01:44gone the full night and it's a lot of
1:01:47[ __ ] went back and forth her calling
1:01:50arguing with me saying you know regular
1:01:54stuff for us you know accusing me
1:01:58saying I ain't [ __ ]
1:02:00um
1:02:02saying she going to take the is
1:02:08I think that about covers it.
1:02:11I've given you some background
1:02:13information. There is an instance that
1:02:15happened
1:02:19January 31st
1:02:22or 30th. You all need to check when you
1:02:24came to that address. It's either 30 or
1:02:2630 31st or 23 that led to that. We had
1:02:29had an argument about something relating
1:02:31to Sharda and I don't remember what it
1:02:33was.
1:02:35Carrie did some real foul [ __ ] that day
1:02:38because she was drunk. She the kids were
1:02:41asleep.
1:02:43It's just the three adults and we in the
1:02:45house and it's an argument.
1:02:47And so I know to a certain
1:02:48[clears throat] extent is feeling like
1:02:49she's kind of getting put in the middle
1:02:51of it.
1:02:53Carrie went and woke the kids up.
1:02:58And at one point, Kenny was crying. He
1:03:00was sad.
1:03:04What did we do, mommy and daddy? What
1:03:06did we do?
1:03:11She took her to our friend Raina's house
1:03:13that night. Sard was blown away cuz she
1:03:16ain't never been around no [ __ ] like
1:03:18that. They, you know, strippers kind of
1:03:20got a foul streak, but she got a good
1:03:23heart. And she had never seen, you know,
1:03:26children impacted like that. That's, you
1:03:28know, it's kind of been my story, right?
1:03:30My children are just being impacted. No
1:03:32matter what I'm saying, they being
1:03:34impacted. They impacted now. They done
1:03:36lost both parents.
1:03:40And that's what pushed me to win, you
1:03:42know, my life that night because that
1:03:43was too much for me to bury like you
1:03:45Kenny say that. And then second he said
1:03:47that, King Kson started crying. And then
1:03:50Sha Day was the one that consoled him
1:03:52and said, "It's not your fault. You've
1:03:54done nothing wrong.
1:03:59So, I hope I know it's a lot of [ __ ]
1:04:02that we got going on as a as a couple,
1:04:05but I hope I've said enough to explain
1:04:09uh the things that I done. I would like
1:04:12to not stay in Louisiana.
1:04:15Um,
1:04:20I got to tell you, I don't like
1:04:21Louisiana. So, if it's okay with you, I
1:04:23would like to be extradited
1:04:26back home. I deal with you and I'll be
1:04:28uh
1:04:31whatever you need me to be. I don't want
1:04:34to do it here.
1:04:36I don't want to be in a court here. I'm
1:04:38not sure if I would be in a court here
1:04:40anyway.
1:04:42>> I don't know how I don't know how it
1:04:44works here.
1:04:45>> And um I just need to be expedited. And
1:04:48then as far as my guns are legal now,
1:04:51one of my guns is stolen. You found
1:04:53guns, but they legal. So I'm not sure
1:04:55what the hell they gonna do about that.
1:04:58>> Which which gun was that you used on?
1:05:01>> Was it the one in the hotel room?
1:05:04>> No, it's the one that's sitting in the
1:05:06uh in the gun cabinet.
1:05:08>> Okay.
1:05:10>> It's a Smith and Wesson.
1:05:11>> Uhhuh.
1:05:12>> Police issue MMP.
1:05:14>> Okay.
1:05:15>> 2.0.
1:05:16>> Okay.
1:05:16>> It is unloaded. Okay. Is that
1:05:20>> What caliber is that?
1:05:21>> 9 mm.
1:05:22>> Okay.
1:05:23>> It's not 38.
1:05:24>> Okay. And you you picked up all the
1:05:27brass when you were cleaning it.
1:05:29>> I'm not sure. I just took everything was
1:05:32in the bed for the most part.
1:05:34>> Mhm.
1:05:34>> I just gathered it all. So, it's
1:05:37possible that it's something on the
1:05:38floor that I missed. It was a rush rush
1:05:40thing to just clean up as much as I
1:05:42could poss.
1:05:44>> Right. Okay.
1:05:46What? Um,
1:05:49real quick, do you know well your phone
1:05:51code on your Apple?
1:05:54>> Not
1:05:55>> is it like a number or you just use
1:05:58fingerprint a face?
1:05:59>> I use my face. It's not off the uh not
1:06:03off the top of my head cuz it's long.
1:06:05The reason I asked is some of the stuff
1:06:07you're saying that that can cooperate
1:06:11like your dad's not part of it or
1:06:13Elijah's not a part of it and you were
1:06:15saying you could check check my phone if
1:06:17the text messages there. Your phone can
1:06:21be checked
1:06:22but the time frame of how long that
1:06:24takes depends upon if we have the
1:06:27passcode or not.
1:06:29>> You see what I'm saying? times down.
1:06:30>> In other words, the the machine that
1:06:32that works can work a code out, it could
1:06:35take a day, it could take a year. So,
1:06:38the quicker we can get that.
1:06:40>> But the phone that you trying to work
1:06:41that on don't have nothing in it.
1:06:43>> Not the burner. I'm talking about the
1:06:45other phone. You had two phones with
1:06:46you.
1:06:47>> Neither one of them are a relative.
1:06:49>> Oh, okay.
1:06:51>> What about What about your phone that
1:06:53had the text?
1:06:54>> My phone in on the side of the road
1:06:56somewhere.
1:06:57>> What about Carrie's phone?
1:06:59her phone on the side of the road
1:07:00somewhere. I took everything and threw
1:07:02it. Um, the phones that I had with me
1:07:05were my business phone and a burner
1:07:07phone.
1:07:09So, I did that because I felt like if I
1:07:11kept my phone, I would have been getting
1:07:12tracked by the GBI. So, I got rid of all
1:07:15of it. I felt like it was going to be
1:07:16pinging or something. So, I just got rid
1:07:18of it. Um, but my I know my Apple stuff
1:07:23still good, but I don't know how to uh
1:07:26being incarcerated. I can't really [ __ ]
1:07:28around with it cuz
1:07:29>> No, I know what you're saying.
1:07:31[clears throat] I got you. What What gun
1:07:35was carries?
1:07:36>> The 380.
1:07:38>> Okay.
1:07:38>> Yeah.
1:07:41>> And then one of the things I wanted to
1:07:43circle back to when you said that that
1:07:46Carrie had threatened you before about
1:07:47I'm going to get them white boys.
1:07:49>> What is that? Is that like a group of
1:07:52guys she knows? I mean, I don't really
1:07:54understand that.
1:07:55>> I said that's a culture thing.
1:07:57>> Okay. So,
1:08:00um
1:08:04I don't I don't remember the month, but
1:08:07in 2013,
1:08:09we had Kenneth in June.
1:08:13I think in August,
1:08:16I come home from work late.
1:08:20She had already said that she was
1:08:21struggling with postpartum stress.
1:08:25And I hear Kenna shriek. I run into the
1:08:29bedroom where he's at, he's bleeding
1:08:30from his mouth. Kenny was a um he's he's
1:08:34athletic. So even at 2 months, he was
1:08:36like literally pulling himself up in his
1:08:38crib and he had pulled himself up and
1:08:39hit his mouth. I as she ran into the
1:08:42room and I'm just distraught and at the
1:08:44time I'm a pastor by the way so
1:08:47everything was above board with this
1:08:48[ __ ]
1:08:49>> It was that was the craziest part of how
1:08:51it happened like it did. But I said what
1:08:53happened?
1:08:55What happened? And she says I don't
1:08:57know. She grabbed the baby. We we both
1:09:00run towards the kitchen, turn the water
1:09:02on, and she's rinsing the blood out the
1:09:04baby mouth. And I'm like, give me the
1:09:06baby. Let me make Did you hurt him? Cuz
1:09:08she had said that she was struggling
1:09:09with depression. Did you hurt him? No, I
1:09:11would never hurt. How did he get hurt?
1:09:13Like I don't know at the time that he's
1:09:14pulled itself up like that. She hands me
1:09:17the baby and runs in the bathroom and
1:09:19closes the door and locks it. So while I
1:09:21got the baby and I'm pursuing her, I go
1:09:23to the door and try to open it. It's
1:09:24locked.
1:09:26So I'm knocking on the door. I'm still
1:09:28holding Canon. And then I hear
1:09:33like, "Okay, I call dad.
1:09:37I put the baby down. I call 911.
1:09:42The police get there. By the time the
1:09:44police get there, Carrie had made her
1:09:45way to my mother's house who stayed
1:09:47around the corner. I don't have the best
1:09:48relationship with my mother because of
1:09:50my dad and mother's divorce. And my
1:09:52mother had stated that she felt that I
1:09:55reminded her too much of my dad.
1:09:58My My mom is in a proxy war with my
1:10:02father at all times. It's this weird
1:10:04thing that all of our parents, Carrie's
1:10:06mom does it, too. like they're in this
1:10:07proxy war that they're using us at some
1:10:10points to like get back at each other.
1:10:13My mom told my
1:10:16wife to
1:10:18get a restraining order. So this first
1:10:20time when I'm talking with the police,
1:10:23everything's fine. Like she told the
1:10:25police when they went over there that I
1:10:27had locked her in the bathroom. Well,
1:10:29that's easily disproven. I I told the
1:10:31female officer, I said, "Uh, go stand in
1:10:33the bathroom and let's have your partner
1:10:35lock you in there." So they did it. They
1:10:37were smirking because they could already
1:10:39see where I was going with this. It's a
1:10:40[ __ ] you know, residential bathroom.
1:10:42So she went and stood in there. We
1:10:44closed the door. Obviously, you can't
1:10:45lock her from the um the outside, you
1:10:48got to lock it from the inside. So they
1:10:50knew Carrie was lying. But the damage
1:10:52was done because my mother had put
1:10:53something in her. And she said,
1:10:54"Whenever you got a problem that you
1:10:56can't control him, you call the police
1:10:59and you tell them that he hurt you."
1:11:02When the police came the next day, I was
1:11:04scared that they were going to do this.
1:11:05So, I had my Irish twin and her husband
1:11:07at my house when they when they arrived.
1:11:09And they arrived so [ __ ]
1:11:10heavy-handed. It was insane.
1:11:13Um, they didn't have shields, but they
1:11:15had their they had their long guns, and
1:11:18they were hell of aggressive. And I I
1:11:20stood I didn't I didn't even have a gun
1:11:22close to me, but I stood my ground with
1:11:25them and I let them know that everything
1:11:27they had been told was some [ __ ] So
1:11:29that's what I mean when I say when she's
1:11:31saying she'll get them white boys, she
1:11:33mean she'll tell the police in our
1:11:36culture, you know, this is an anomaly
1:11:39even though it's normal. That's why we
1:11:40move to Atlanta, but in our culture to a
1:11:43larger degree it's not. So when we talk
1:11:44in those terms, that's really what we
1:11:46saying. And um so that's what she meant
1:11:48that she would call the police and say
1:11:49whatever it is that gets them to the
1:11:51address turned up.
1:11:52>> Okay.
1:11:53>> And then hope something happened to me.
1:11:54I got you.
1:11:57>> But what it It wasn't the gun that was
1:12:00in the hotel room. The 45. That wasn't
1:12:03That wasn't what she used.
1:12:04>> It was a It's a 1911 in the hotel room.
1:12:08>> Yeah. In a 1911 to 45.
1:12:10>> Oh, it's 9 mm.
1:12:11>> Oh, it's a 9 mm, too. Oh, okay. Okay.
1:12:14>> That's a 1911
1:12:17uh Kimler. 9 mm.
1:12:19>> Okay. All right.
1:12:21>> We call them can shakers. They shake
1:12:22real bad in your hand. Yeah. Yeah. It's
1:12:25just for self-defense at a close range
1:12:29>> and on purpose. That's the only gun I
1:12:30took in there with me because
1:12:35I wasn't going to just keep carrying all
1:12:37these guns around everywhere I land cuz
1:12:38that's not what's on my head. But I know
1:12:40it don't look like that with all this
1:12:42[ __ ] in the car. You know what I'm
1:12:43saying? But
1:12:44>> you know, had I wanted to, I could have
1:12:46met the police with extreme force like
1:12:49they were coming at me. But I didn't do
1:12:50that because that's not where my head is
1:12:52at. Well, I'm I'm glad it didn't come to
1:12:55that.
1:12:57>> Who else was in the house when it
1:12:58happened?
1:12:59>> Kenneth, Kingston, Johnny, and Elijah.
1:13:05>> Did any of them come out?
1:13:10>> Um, you remember one time?
1:13:14>> Yeah, it's between the window is, and I
1:13:16was specific about that um because I
1:13:19know you need to inquire about that. The
1:13:21window is between 12:50
1:13:25and 1:30. By 1:30, it's over with
1:13:28>> by Tuesday. What is Tuesday morning? Is
1:13:30that
1:13:31>> Yeah, Tuesday morning. So late Monday
1:13:34night.
1:13:36Yeah.
1:13:39Um the cool thing about that house
1:13:40you've been in, I hope you like it. It's
1:13:42a nice house.
1:13:42>> Oh, she's extremely nice.
1:13:45>> It's big.
1:13:46>> Mhm.
1:13:49as you know way Johnny or something
1:13:51because of how far he is in that corner
1:13:54down there and it's concrete around him
1:13:57and then I witnessed and I'm sure you
1:13:59can find the footage of this that while
1:14:01Elijah was taking the dogs out that he
1:14:04was smoking.
1:14:06I don't mind that he smoke for real cuz
1:14:07I know he just doing that to keep his
1:14:09nerves calm and I knew he was arguing
1:14:11and I think that's what had drove him to
1:14:12be getting high like I'm going to get
1:14:14high que
1:14:17and my boys sleep with if you you've
1:14:19been in their room you saw them fans
1:14:20they sleep with them fans on so I think
1:14:23that that kind of like drowned out
1:14:25everything yeah it was kind of shocking
1:14:26to me too that didn't nobody wake up and
1:14:28that's why I was panicking like I was
1:14:30cuz I fully expected that somebody would
1:14:32but they never did I mean I was mopping
1:14:35turning and lights on. They was just
1:14:37sleep through that whole thing and I
1:14:38know that was God protecting them from
1:14:40seeing all that [ __ ] like to be
1:14:42perfectly honest with you. Um, so yeah,
1:14:45I know you have to do your due
1:14:47diligence.
1:14:48Again, that's why I have been so direct
1:14:50with you. Hopefully, it meets the uh
1:14:53mustard for that. I spoke with you
1:14:57without an attorney present
1:14:59>> because I need you to understand that
1:15:03Kenneth, Kingston, Elijah or Jonathan
1:15:06had nothing to do with what took place
1:15:08that night? Absolutely zero.
1:15:11>> There's a there's a block of time
1:15:13missing in the DVR.
1:15:16>> Yeah.
1:15:17>> Was it was it like was it stopped after
1:15:20this happened?
1:15:21>> Right.
1:15:21>> Okay. Okay.
1:15:22>> Yeah. because I didn't want to have
1:15:25camera footage of me dragging [ __ ]
1:15:26around.
1:15:27>> I understand.
1:15:28>> Yeah. And I turned it back on at six in
1:15:29the morning.
1:15:30>> Right.
1:15:31>> Yeah.
1:15:32>> I just wanted to make sure that was
1:15:34>> Okay. And I'm I'm glad that you said
1:15:35that cuz I forgot about that. So yeah,
1:15:37whenever that whenever the footage just
1:15:40kind of like immediately stops, that's
1:15:42when the incident over with.
1:15:57Um,
1:16:00how did you get her outside?
1:16:04Man,
1:16:06I dragged her and it was difficult.
1:16:11Like extremely difficult.
1:16:13Extremely difficult. It was exhausting.
1:16:17It was hurting the whole way, too. Every
1:16:20move that got made was [ __ ] hurting.
1:16:22But that drag her um
1:16:26uh in a comforter
1:16:29down there into the woods. And the path
1:16:30that I took is not what the [ __ ] guys
1:16:32on the in front of the dog camera was
1:16:34saying. I did not come down those
1:16:36stairs. I came out of the sun room door
1:16:39that had been kicked out
1:16:42down that deck through that grass down
1:16:45that sidewalk and then across the grass
1:16:49until the ground starts going down
1:16:52>> into the soap and then it was easy cuz
1:16:54it was a lot of soap up in that process.
1:16:59>> Like was she in the garage at any point
1:17:00in time? [clears throat]
1:17:03>> No. Which garage? She was in no garage
1:17:07>> and the one where the Hummer's at.
1:17:09>> No. Hell no. Um, however,
1:17:13it's
1:17:14I know I stepped in blood good and I
1:17:17know carrying her I had blood on my
1:17:20shoulder because it was blood on the
1:17:23bathroom door to our bedroom and she
1:17:26never went over there. And I know that
1:17:27was cuz at some point I brushed into
1:17:29that door. When I looked at uh my shirt,
1:17:32I'm like, "Damn, I'm like kind of like
1:17:35covered in blood here." And so I
1:17:37probably tracked blood in areas where
1:17:39you finding it.
1:17:41She went out that sun room, down that
1:17:45set of three stairs, in that small cut
1:17:48of grass, on that sidewalk, and through
1:17:51that grass. And I want to reiterate that
1:17:54and then say
1:17:57the path that I took
1:18:00is not relevant unless there's something
1:18:03that I'm missing. But that's exactly
1:18:05what I did. She never went nowhere else
1:18:07inside.
1:18:11I mean at something like this every
1:18:14everything is relevant
1:18:16>> as far as it details because we
1:18:20>> we don't like to guess or make things up
1:18:22or put words in your mouth.
1:18:24>> How come they they was doing a lot of
1:18:25guessing yesterday lot of talk lot of
1:18:28talking was going on and that's what
1:18:30forced me to have this conversation.
1:18:31>> You some of the [ __ ] they was telling
1:18:33her
1:18:34>> a lot of it's a coping mechanism
1:18:36>> what the people are doing. No, no. What
1:18:39people say in a in a situation like that
1:18:42where where I'm not justifying it.
1:18:46>> You don't have to take accountability
1:18:47for
1:18:48>> just like you were saying earlier about
1:18:52you feel like you might want to make
1:18:53somebody understand.
1:18:55Again, you it's hard to make somebody
1:18:57understand what goes through everybody's
1:19:00minds in certain moments. Some things
1:19:02are coping mechanisms. You say the worst
1:19:05about a person or an idea about a person
1:19:09as to get it out of you. It doesn't make
1:19:12sense to a lot of people, but
1:19:15that's probably some of the stuff you
1:19:18heard. And again, it take accountability
1:19:22for it. I mean, it it is what it is.
1:19:25Don't make it right or wrong.
1:19:27>> I almost said something. Do you remember
1:19:28this? another officer that was talking
1:19:30to you about how he liked the setup of
1:19:32the gate and was trying to find out why
1:19:34I didn't take the gate all the way back.
1:19:38>> I mean, it was just so much happening
1:19:40yesterday.
1:19:40>> So, I almost came across a thing at that
1:19:42point and I'm like, if I do that, I'mma
1:19:44spook y'all. So, let me not do that.
1:19:46>> We knew you were listening.
1:19:48>> Okay.
1:19:48>> I mean, with all those cameras and
1:19:50everything else, we
1:19:52>> I mean, at least some of us knew or some
1:19:54of us suspected
1:19:55>> suspected we suspect that you were
1:19:57listening.
1:19:59Yes, a lot.
1:19:59>> Some people that and some people that
1:20:01that just
1:20:04Yeah.
1:20:05>> What other questions do you have? What
1:20:07can I clear up? Cuz like I said, I'm
1:20:08having this conversation with you
1:20:10against my own interest and against what
1:20:12I know my attorney's going to recommend
1:20:14cuz I need to make sure that Daddy,
1:20:17Kenneth Kingston,
1:20:19Elijah, and Jonathan Thomas are in no
1:20:21way connected to this other than the
1:20:23emotional impacts, you know, through the
1:20:25loss that they're all experiencing. Like
1:20:27they didn't have anything to do with
1:20:28this.
1:20:30>> Did you tell anybody else besides your
1:20:31father
1:20:33>> about what happened?
1:20:34>> Yeah.
1:20:34>> Yeah. At some point I told my brother.
1:20:37>> Yeah. And what? Who's that? Who's your
1:20:40brother?
1:20:41>> My My brother Lee Isaac.
1:20:43>> Okay.
1:20:43>> We don't know who your brother is.
1:20:47>> No. Well, understand everything's
1:20:50we focus on certain things and
1:20:52everything else. Will we go back? Yes.
1:20:55But everything's kind of like that. I
1:20:57mean, we've we we got to the airport
1:20:59this morning early.
1:21:01>> Oh,
1:21:01>> to get out here. So, uh, so Lee Isaac,
1:21:04where does he live in George or is he
1:21:06back, Missouri?
1:21:07>> Neither. He lives in Murphy'sboro,
1:21:09Tennessee.
1:21:09>> Oh, okay.
1:21:10>> Yeah.
1:21:11>> And you called him and and told him
1:21:12about Okay.
1:21:14>> All right.
1:21:15>> Yeah, I called him. Uh,
1:21:20he was the first person I called after I
1:21:22told dad.
1:21:24>> Okay.
1:21:30I think that's a lot.
1:21:32>> I said that's a lot.
1:21:35>> Was a lot.
1:21:36>> I know. No. Just trying to think of
1:21:38anything else left to ask you. The um
1:21:43percoetses last night.
1:21:45>> Oxies.
1:21:46>> Oh, they're oxies. Okay. Have you ever
1:21:48had any problems with
1:21:51those violation of fendel or?
1:21:53>> No, cuz they're legitimate.
1:21:55>> Oh, okay. Okay.
1:21:58>> Yeah. I would never buy nothing off the
1:21:59street cuz with
1:22:01>> I mean now now
1:22:01>> I'm sitting in the jail and everyone's
1:22:03talking about ice fentinel. I'm like,
1:22:06>> man.
1:22:06>> Well, I didn't I didn't know if the
1:22:08pills you had last night were connected
1:22:11to possibly a way out. You know what I
1:22:14mean? Like,
1:22:15>> oh, like I would have took too many
1:22:16pills and tried to kill myself.
1:22:18>> No, I took them cuz I knew they was
1:22:20going to calm me down.
1:22:21>> Okay.
1:22:23>> Because I knew that the guys outside,
1:22:26like these police um they have a great
1:22:30police force, but they run it kind of
1:22:32military militaristic. And the sergeant
1:22:35that was overseeing that unit, I spoke
1:22:37with her.
1:22:37>> Mhm. But when I was looking out the
1:22:39window, you know, and you got to you got
1:22:42to deal with the the [ __ ] you got to
1:22:43deal with because of the situation. But
1:22:45when I called her, I dial 911. It's like
1:22:48I said, they didn't knock on or nothing.
1:22:50They didn't announce themselves. And the
1:22:51only thing that I had heard was as soon
1:22:53as I I unlocked the door and went in and
1:22:55they were running up on the hotel,
1:22:58>> but they were talking to the guy in
1:23:00five.
1:23:01So when I finally realized they were for
1:23:03me, I called 911 and I asked to be put
1:23:06in contact with them so I could
1:23:08surrender peacefully.
1:23:09>> And when I talked to her, I said,
1:23:11"What's going on here?" And she says,
1:23:13"Oh, we're just checking on your
1:23:14wellbeing." And I'm like, "Really? With
1:23:17guns, you know, aimed at me like this,
1:23:19y'all checking on my wellbeing? That's
1:23:21[ __ ] But all right." I said, "I'm
1:23:24coming out. Like, you ain't gave me a
1:23:25chance to do that. I'mma surrender, but
1:23:27you haven't given me a chance to do
1:23:28that. It look like you preparing to run
1:23:30in here. Let's not do it that way. I
1:23:32don't want to do it that way. I said,
1:23:34"When you come in here, my phone's going
1:23:35to be in the bed. The firearm is going
1:23:37to be unloaded. I'mma open the curtain.
1:23:41The only thing I'mma have is cigar in my
1:23:43mouth, and I'mma come out with my hands
1:23:45up." And that's what I did. And like I
1:23:48said, I had dumped my bag to just make
1:23:50sure I didn't have nothing else [ __ ]
1:23:51[ __ ] in there. Um, part of me thought
1:23:54like maybe they was going to think I was
1:23:56selling drugs. Like, I'm not selling
1:23:57drugs. like, you know, take
1:24:01>> it's clean. I don't get it from a drug
1:24:03dealer.
1:24:04>> Mhm.
1:24:05>> Because I don't want
1:24:07to go OD.
1:24:08>> Right. Okay.
1:24:11I mean, the the house doesn't look like
1:24:13a, you know, some
1:24:18street drug use addict that's, you know,
1:24:20blitzed out of their mind. It's not
1:24:22that. I mean, there wasn't a guy alive
1:24:25yesterday that didn't admire all the
1:24:26Milwaukee fool setup
1:24:28>> and garage. I mean, it was it didn't it
1:24:33didn't look like somebody, you know,
1:24:35strung out on street drugs. So, that's
1:24:37why I was just wondering
1:24:40was that something new? Was that coping
1:24:42mechanism last night? What? You know
1:24:44what I mean?
1:24:44>> No, I've been on it since I've been on
1:24:46it since the accident.
1:24:47>> Okay.
1:24:47>> Um, they prescribed it to me. Um, the
1:24:51first time I subscribed with Oxy is when
1:24:52I got shot and um, I weaned myself off
1:24:56then and I had a difficulty weing myself
1:24:58off with the with the accident because
1:25:02like that injury, I'm not sure what you
1:25:04all know about it, but it's just
1:25:05painful.
1:25:06>> Okay.
1:25:07>> Yeah. It's it's it's it's hurting them,
1:25:09you know, laying on that damn concrete
1:25:10in there. That's why the guys are like,
1:25:12"You're just standing in here." And they
1:25:14think I'm crazy. I'm standing because
1:25:16anywhere I'm sitting is painful. Mhm.
1:25:18>> I don't have no oxy and this [ __ ] is
1:25:19painful. All this concrete in here. So
1:25:22>> yeah. No, it's just personal use. And I
1:25:24I thought to myself, you know, these
1:25:26guys seem charge happy. They going to
1:25:28try to charge me with it, you know, or
1:25:31some [ __ ] like I'm trying to sell it or
1:25:33they're going to view it that way.
1:25:34>> Mhm.
1:25:35>> But that's not the case at all. It's
1:25:36just, you know, what I'm using for
1:25:38myself.
1:25:39>> Okay.
1:25:42>> Um I know you say you throw the phones
1:25:45out the window. Do do you remember about
1:25:47where
1:25:50and and one of the reasons why is if if
1:25:52Carrie's family, let's say a lot of
1:25:54people want to hold on phones because of
1:25:56photos, videos, whatever. Um, you know,
1:26:00if I can get it back to them, that's
1:26:02what I'd like to do.
1:26:04>> Um,
1:26:07can [snorts] I see your pen in your
1:26:09notebook on a fresh piece of paper where
1:26:10I don't have to see what you wear?
1:26:28I'm almost positive that Car's
1:26:33password to her computer
1:26:37is that
1:26:43her think she'll be there.
1:26:46>> Oh, you mean like it it syncs up with
1:26:48the cell phone? Like whatever she takes
1:26:50with the phone is going to be on a
1:26:51computer like computer is
1:26:52>> the one in the bedroom.
1:26:54>> The white one. Is that white?
1:26:56>> Is that I don't remember.
1:26:58>> Is it a desktop?
1:26:58>> A laptop. Desktop.
1:27:00>> It's a desktop.
1:27:01>> Okay.
1:27:01>> I don't think it's white. I think it's
1:27:03black.
1:27:04>> Okay.
1:27:04>> It's in the It's in the bedroom.
1:27:07>> It's to the right of the bed. When you
1:27:10when you're when you're in the front of
1:27:11the door, is it to the left or to the
1:27:13right?
1:27:13>> To the left.
1:27:14>> To the left.
1:27:15>> So, straight by the window.
1:27:20>> My me for a second.
1:27:23>> I mean,
1:27:24I'm running on
1:27:29it is what it is. It's part of the job.
1:27:32Um,
1:27:35what else can you think of?
1:27:53Do you know do you got you got Elijah's
1:27:57number?
1:27:58>> Yes.
1:27:59>> You also had that phone.
1:28:01>> And who's that other gentleman that's in
1:28:02the basement?
1:28:03>> Jonathan Thomas.
1:28:04>> Jonathan Thomas. You got his number? I
1:28:07think we did.
1:28:08>> Okay. I want to get in touch with that.
1:28:11I I need to get their contact info to
1:28:13Al.
1:28:15Yesterday we had Alma patrol come and
1:28:17get the dogs just because we don't know
1:28:18how long we were going to No, it's not
1:28:20the it's not to keep the dogs.
1:28:23>> I don't know how we don't know how long
1:28:26or didn't know how long we would be hold
1:28:28what they call holding the scene.
1:28:30Meaning we weren't going to let anybody
1:28:31in that wasn't police.
1:28:33>> Wow.
1:28:34>> Don't The dogs are innocent. don't want
1:28:37anything bad to happen to them. So,
1:28:39>> obedient dogs,
1:28:40>> we call we call animal control kind of
1:28:42like we do defects for kids as far as we
1:28:44need somebody to take care of them until
1:28:46we can get them proper homes. They're
1:28:49always just like with defects going to
1:28:51side with family or or relatives.
1:28:53>> Okay.
1:28:54>> So, Elijah or Jonathan, I want to be
1:28:57able to get their contact info down with
1:28:59patrol.
1:29:00>> Okay.
1:29:00>> So, that um cuz they'll take care of as
1:29:03long, you know, as we reasonably need
1:29:05do. It's not like this on a 48 hour box
1:29:08or something. But your dad didn't appear
1:29:10to be the kind of in a situation where
1:29:12he could just I don't want to dump that
1:29:14in his lap.
1:29:15>> Yeah.
1:29:16>> You know what I'm saying?
1:29:17>> That's why also I I knew that peacefully
1:29:20surrendering was the correct thing to do
1:29:22cuz any other option would have really
1:29:24brought
1:29:24>> just more.
1:29:25>> Yeah. It's just more them man getting
1:29:27that oven haze
1:29:29steady corn stuff on. It's like no. Do
1:29:32you know your brother in Tennessee's
1:29:33number off the top of your head?
1:29:35>> I mean, we can do
1:29:36>> kind of. I think it's 314
1:29:41755
1:29:457550
1:29:50cuz I spoke to him this morning, but I
1:29:52got lucky on dialing the number.
1:29:56>> Yeah.
1:29:56>> I don't know if yall familiar with how
1:29:57that work, but the numbers, you know,
1:29:59you in a jail cell, you don't have no
1:30:01phone. He just like your head visually
1:30:03try to remember numbers.
1:30:04>> Yep.
1:30:06>> And what was his name again?
1:30:08>> His name is Lee Isaac.
1:30:09>> Is it L E?
1:30:10>> Yeah. L E Isaac. I S A A C.
1:30:30How long have How long have you and Car
1:30:32How long were you in Carrie? Where did
1:30:34y'all meet?
1:30:36>> We met at uh we met at a a pool hallog
1:30:39called Utopia
1:30:40>> in Missouri.
1:30:41>> In Missouri.
1:30:42>> Okay. And when was that?
1:30:46You remember about
1:30:48You got to give me a day. I'm just like
1:30:502010 201 like 2010.
1:30:53>> Okay,
1:30:53>> it's a cool story. She was uh leaving
1:30:57and she was leaving quickly because
1:30:58somebody had disrespected her and her
1:31:00friend and they were walking briskly and
1:31:03I was standing at the corner table there
1:31:05by the door and I saw her and I knew I
1:31:08was going to marry. I grabbed her by her
1:31:11arms. I said, "What's your name?"
1:31:14And she said, "My name Janette."
1:31:17My friend Shamir said, "Take your hand
1:31:19off my friend." I said, "That's not your
1:31:21name. What's your name?" Then as her
1:31:23middleman,
1:31:25my name Carrie,
1:31:27I got her number and I said, "I'm going
1:31:29to marry you." She laughed and was like,
1:31:31"So, you crazy." Then they left. I got
1:31:34into a uh pushing match with some guys
1:31:38and lost my phone.
1:31:41And that's before the sink and stuff is
1:31:43what it is now. So, I offered the DJ
1:31:48um I had him offer the club the the the
1:31:51bar $500 reward for the return of my
1:31:54phone and nobody returned it. So, for
1:31:58two weeks straight, I kept going back to
1:32:30two weeks straight
1:32:33kept going back to every day. I didn't
1:32:37even want to be there.
1:32:39And I was just praying to myself like,
1:32:41"Please let her come."
1:32:45And after two weeks, she finally showed
1:32:47up and she gave me a tongue. He said, "I
1:32:51never give my number to guys." And the
1:32:54first guy I give my number to, he
1:32:56doesn't even call.
1:33:00She was with Shamir. I bought her and
1:33:02Shamir some dinner that night. I
1:33:05apologize.
1:33:08We started dating.
1:33:14I you said earlier too, one of the
1:33:16things I want to circle back on that you
1:33:19you've made you've been lucky in
1:33:22business and it's not what we thought it
1:33:24was. What what exactly is it you do cuz
1:33:28your dad said something about a medical
1:33:30transport company which I didn't
1:33:32understand. Why is everybody so
1:33:34confused?
1:33:35>> Well, because I don't know. I saw the
1:33:38box truck with all the tools. They're
1:33:39nice and it looks like some kind of
1:33:42construction, but I don't know what it
1:33:43is.
1:33:44>> Yeah, building blocks uh home repair and
1:33:46construction.
1:33:47>> Okay.
1:33:48>> Then I also have nurses earning medical
1:33:50staffing groups.
1:33:51>> Okay. Now, what do they do?
1:33:53>> Staff nurses in hospitals.
1:33:54>> Okay.
1:33:55>> And skilled nursing facilities.
1:33:56>> Okay.
1:33:57>> I also have Charmer Production. They
1:33:59make videos. They own the YouTube
1:34:01channel Perspectives Uncovered.
1:34:03>> Okay. And then I also own icon custom
1:34:06car wrap tent which I pause that but uh
1:34:11that's what graph cars
1:34:13>> right yeah a new okay did Carrie work
1:34:17>> yeah car work in nurses earning
1:34:19primarily
1:34:20>> oh okay
1:34:22all right
1:34:23>> he's been trying to help with the
1:34:24construction stuff but she even asked if
1:34:27you go out like no
1:34:30okay
1:34:30>> but she primarily works in that and I
1:34:32guess that's come to an end. I guess
1:34:34I'll be dealing with that. I need to
1:34:35tell dad that I guess lay everybody off
1:34:37or something. I don't know.
1:34:44>> You'll be in check tonight if they got
1:34:46anything else.
1:34:47>> Yeah.
1:34:49>> All right. Give us a couple of minutes
1:34:51and um
1:34:52>> we'll be right back.
1:34:54>> Can I please? And is it okay if I pee
1:34:56too?
1:34:57>> I don't know. This ain't our house. You
1:34:59know what I mean? I'll ask them.
1:35:05I didn't
1:35:16mean you arrest him.
1:35:18>> Yes, sir. If it's permissible.
1:35:37probably the most comfortable.
1:35:41You want to use We're just going to
1:35:43readest these for you, right?
1:35:57I angle
1:36:04You put them together like
1:36:27Yes, sir.
1:36:39Thank you, sir.
1:36:40>> Thank you. Did you all need to speak
1:36:41with me as well?
1:36:43>> No, not really.
1:36:44>> Okay. Um, so there's nothing that I need
1:36:48to conclude uh in your parish is what I
1:36:51really was asking.
1:36:53>> I'm going have to talk talk to my
1:36:54higherups just to, you know, figure that
1:36:57out. Um, but you'll definitely be
1:36:59notified as soon as possible in
1:37:02reference to all that.
1:37:03>> Yeah, I'm just trying to inquire about
1:37:04it, you know.
1:37:05>> Yeah, I heard you wanted to go back to
1:37:07Georgia as soon as possible pretty much.
1:37:08And you just you don't like Louisiana,
1:37:10you want to get back to
1:37:12Dude, it's fine.
1:37:14>> They say the entire place is filled with
1:37:16uh
1:37:21>> It's just not going to be a happy
1:37:22experience.
1:37:23>> No, I understand.
1:37:24>> I don't mean it though happy experience.
1:37:26I just would rather,
1:37:29you know,
1:37:31turb time or deal with whatever's coming
1:37:33than in Georgia rather than here.
1:37:35>> Yeah. No, I understand. But um whenever
1:37:38we'll definitely be you'll definitely be
1:37:40inquired and you know told soon as you
1:37:43know whatever the decisions made to be.
1:37:45>> And and you mean a decision as far as
1:37:49>> exhibition or
1:37:50>> that's going to be up to them to do the
1:37:52extradition, not us. So anytime that
1:37:54there's charges that are placed outside
1:37:56of, you know, people's jurisdiction,
1:37:57it's up to the original jurisdiction to
1:38:00make the extradition uh process.
1:38:02>> Okay.
1:38:03>> So then all that we would do is just
1:38:05hold you until someone came and
1:38:07transported you back to Georgia.
1:38:09>> And then uh my father and brother were
1:38:12making inquiries about my vehicle.
1:38:14Should I tell them that that vehicle is
1:38:17impounded here or will it be going back
1:38:19to Georgia? that's going to be up to
1:38:21them uh to the Georgia. So based off of
1:38:25once, you know, the vehicle has been
1:38:27processed or whatever that needs to be
1:38:28done with it, it's going to be released
1:38:30to whoever wants to pick it up or if
1:38:33Georgia needs it for their investigative
1:38:35purposes, then you know, they will come
1:38:37and grab it. But based off of that, uh
1:38:39it would either be at a towyard or, you
1:38:42know, just waiting to be picked up or it
1:38:44would be in their custody,
1:38:46the county's custody.
1:38:48>> Okay. Well, they uh because you know
1:38:51information is slow in the uh jail. How
1:38:53would I find out which which way it
1:38:54went? Cuz I can't really ask the CO.
1:38:58>> No, I understand. Um
1:39:00you'll probably be in contact whoever
1:39:02your next kin is in reference to the
1:39:04vehicle. So that would be either your
1:39:06father
1:39:07>> cuz uh unless your kids are 18 up.
1:39:12>> So then it would be your father.
1:39:13>> Yeah. And I surrened over them.
1:39:16>> That's why they were asking about it. If
1:39:18that's him, then um have him contact us
1:39:21or then in reference to whatever is
1:39:23happening to the vehicle if you did sign
1:39:25it over to your father.
1:39:26>> And then once you're done with your
1:39:28investigation and the weapons that are
1:39:29in the vehicle have been cleared, those
1:39:31will be signed over to him as well.
1:39:33>> We're transferring all those to Georgia.
1:39:35>> Okay.
1:39:37>> But if anything else, um yeah, just ask,
1:39:40you know, I'll give you best of answer
1:39:42that I know at the time. the stuff in
1:39:44the hotel that's added to my property or
1:39:46that go to Georgia.
1:39:47>> Is it should be going to Georgia?
1:39:52>> Yes. Thank you.
1:40:04>> I don't know if that coffee is as good
1:40:05as the first one. It usually isn't.
1:40:08>> It's hot. [laughter]
1:40:10Um, a few more follow-up questions.
1:40:14The
1:40:16When did you change tax? Cuz we have you
1:40:19in Louisiana
1:40:20>> and then we don't have you no more
1:40:22>> in Louisiana.
1:40:23>> In Louisiana. And where' those come
1:40:25from?
1:40:26>> Uh, some rando
1:40:29like I walked up on a uh body shop a
1:40:33couple exits back from the Coington body
1:40:35shop.
1:40:36>> Oh, okay. And um I was walking around
1:40:39with a bunch of people around and I as
1:40:41random like uh
1:40:43I'll pay for a temp tag. He's like we
1:40:45don't have temp tags. We're a
1:40:46dealership.
1:40:48I'm sorry. We're a body shop, not a
1:40:50dealership. I talked to him a little bit
1:40:52longer. I didn't discuss anything with
1:40:54him. And um I did tell him I was
1:40:57desperate.
1:40:59So I'm pretty sure right now my tag is
1:41:02going to get me in trouble if anybody
1:41:04reads it.
1:41:07And I said, "All right, but you can't
1:41:09help me." So I gave him $100. Then he
1:41:11got prepared to turn around and walk off
1:41:12and he said, "Wait one second."
1:41:15He disappeared into the shop, came back
1:41:18out with a tag. I said, "What does it go
1:41:20to?" He says, "I don't know. We got
1:41:22stacks of these." And I'm like, "Okay."
1:41:26And I just put it on my court.
1:41:29>> Okay.
1:41:30>> All right. Um,
1:41:33do you remember how many rounds you
1:41:36fired Monday night?
1:41:37>> Whatever was in the gun. I think
1:41:40>> Do you know if it was fully locked? Cuz
1:41:41I think M&P will hold 15 on it.
1:41:43>> No, not that. Look at that. You got to
1:41:45upgrade yourself, man.
1:41:46>> Oh, I'm thinking what?
1:41:48>> There's so many guns out there.
1:41:49>> That's the uh
1:41:50>> It's a smaller version.
1:41:52>> Yeah, that's eight.
1:41:53>> Okay.
1:41:54>> With something in the chamber, I think.
1:41:56>> Right. But you think it was fully
1:41:58loaded?
1:41:59>> I don't know.
1:42:00>> I know. You said you, you know, you just
1:42:04>> lost it. And I get it.
1:42:05>> Yeah, it clicked. So, all everything
1:42:07came off, but at least six shots.
1:42:10>> I just I feel like we would have we
1:42:12should have found
1:42:15more holes. You know what I mean? That
1:42:17we found the one in the headboard and
1:42:19that was it.
1:42:21>> How close were you to her?
1:42:23>> Pretty close. I don't think he would
1:42:25have
1:42:25>> I think you were in the bedroom and not
1:42:27>> I never said I wasn't anywhere but in
1:42:29the bedroom.
1:42:29>> No. No, I'm saying you weren't like in
1:42:31the doorway at the sun room or anything.
1:42:33You were closer in. Okay.
1:42:34>> No, I was I was standing on the opposite
1:42:36side of the bed as I said.
1:42:38>> Okay. Well, that I mean that's that's
1:42:39what I'm saying. That's why I want to
1:42:40clear I just want to clear some stuff up
1:42:43cuz uh I like for your everything you've
1:42:47told us and you're saying being honest.
1:42:49When it matches up with everything
1:42:52evidence-wise, then you come across as
1:42:55telling your story and being honest.
1:42:56Yeah, I told you I entered the bedroom
1:42:58from the private deck,
1:43:00>> right?
1:43:00>> I was standing on that side of the bed.
1:43:03>> Okay.
1:43:03>> Okay.
1:43:04>> Okay.
1:43:04>> She was on the other side.
1:43:06>> On what would be your side,
1:43:08>> right?
1:43:08>> Okay.
1:43:10>> Okay. Okay.
1:43:11>> She got up in my direction.
1:43:14>> Uh-huh.
1:43:15>> I backed up
1:43:17>> off the bed. She got up off the bed,
1:43:19>> right? She got up off of the bed.
1:43:21>> Okay. I backed up and she went towards
1:43:24the sun room and collapsed into the sun
1:43:26room.
1:43:27>> Okay.
1:43:27>> And that's what I said before, too.
1:43:29>> No, no, it it is. Um
1:43:33I just I wasn't sure on like I said, I
1:43:36know we didn't find any showcases.
1:43:38>> Yeah, that um
1:43:39>> I only saw
1:43:40>> the smart LA guy. He kept saying that,
1:43:42you know, he kept coming out talking
1:43:43about that and it was so annoying. It's
1:43:46like, dude, man. So when did you stop
1:43:49listening?
1:43:52>> Every so often I would just stop
1:43:54listening to it because it was bothering
1:43:55me.
1:43:57The whole thing was bothering me. Um
1:44:00you know and parts of it were bothering
1:44:02me that shouldn't be bothering me. You
1:44:04know that on the opposite side I know
1:44:06there's no quarter given but I'm like
1:44:07you know people were complaining about
1:44:08it being hot.
1:44:11The need for water. The gal from
1:44:13forensics was saying her feet were
1:44:15hurting. you know, it's tired of walking
1:44:18back and forth up inside of the house.
1:44:20You know, I was just listening because I
1:44:23was learning different things. Um, I
1:44:26didn't realize
1:44:28that there was a accurate description of
1:44:30my vehicle
1:44:33and um, you guys had a meeting at the
1:44:36mailbox about my my vehicle
1:44:39or what you suspected that I was
1:44:41driving. Somebody was like, "Well, he's
1:44:42got a black racing stripe and he's got
1:44:46uh red stripes on the side." I'm like,
1:44:49"Well, this is not good at all."
1:44:52So, I stopped and took everything off of
1:44:54it, you know. So, that was helpful.
1:44:57>> You took the stripes off?
1:44:59>> I took the stripes off my vehicle. Yes,
1:45:00sir.
1:45:00>> Oh, okay.
1:45:02>> Yeah, they're in it's in the trunk of of
1:45:04the car.
1:45:05>> Oh, okay. Um,
1:45:07>> there were also some other uh license
1:45:10plates from I believe a couple more
1:45:12states in the trunk of the car.
1:45:14>> No, there weren't. That's just
1:45:17>> Missouri plate.
1:45:18>> So, we just officially switched to
1:45:21Georgia. If you run that tag, it's going
1:45:23to come back to that court.
1:45:24>> Oh, okay.
1:45:25>> And um I when I got the the Georgia
1:45:29plate, I just threw the I figured that's
1:45:31where it was at cuz I looked for it. I
1:45:33couldn't find it, but I didn't look in
1:45:34my trunk. That's where it's at. I just
1:45:36threw it in there, put the new one on.
1:45:38My Georgia tag is in the trunk. Both of
1:45:41those go to that vehicle. And then this
1:45:43Louisiana plate I bought from Rando.
1:45:46That's it. [clears throat]
1:45:48>> Do you do you have a way of knowing
1:45:51how long it was from when you would have
1:45:54any way of knowing when your father
1:45:56called 911, but just trying to figure
1:45:58out how long it was from when he when
1:46:01you left the scene to when he called. We
1:46:04I didn't leave you a scene. I left the
1:46:05UPS parking lot.
1:46:08We went to the UPS store. Remember, you
1:46:10weren't back at home. That that
1:46:12discussion you had with your father was
1:46:14in the UPS parking lot with the driver.
1:46:17>> And I need you to understand something.
1:46:18That's why I did everything that I did
1:46:20because unfortunately you all kind of
1:46:23predictable. You're going to assume that
1:46:25there's some sort of a conspiracy to
1:46:27commit murder. It's not that.
1:46:29>> It's a crime of passion. It's not uh a
1:46:32conspiracy to commit murder. So, I did
1:46:34what I did to protect my father.
1:46:36>> You see in my conversations, I'm very
1:46:38limited and cryptic in my responses with
1:46:40him.
1:46:41>> Mhm.
1:46:41>> Um
1:46:43>> well, I can't say in your conversation
1:46:44cuz you threw the phone out the window.
1:46:46>> No, you had my conversations. You had
1:46:48conversations with dad about what you
1:46:49saw from the messages. You inquired
1:46:51about the email that was sent about me
1:46:53adding him to the security footage,
1:46:54which I did so he could get you access.
1:46:57I talked to him last night and found
1:46:58that out. I hope
1:47:00>> somebody
1:47:01>> somebody spilling water if you lead
1:47:03detector and you have detective and you
1:47:05have people saying that. But I mean it
1:47:06doesn't matter. It's nothing if I had
1:47:07it's nothing bad. It is what it is. But
1:47:09what I'm saying is is that I did what I
1:47:11did the way I did it
1:47:13>> so that
1:47:15>> it could never be said that they didn't
1:47:17do anything about it.
1:47:18>> So I I flew him here and told him it was
1:47:20an emergency and he needed to leave on
1:47:23Tuesday. He needed to come immediately.
1:47:26>> Mhm.
1:47:28And then I told him that he would not be
1:47:31coming to my house.
1:47:32>> Mhm.
1:47:33>> That he would be going to a hotel.
1:47:36That first hotel, the driver called me
1:47:38and said it was booked.
1:47:39>> Right. You Yeah.
1:47:40>> So he took him to the Fairborn location
1:47:42and then he before that took him to out
1:47:44I think Outback Steakhouse. They charged
1:47:46me for it. I paid for it while I was
1:47:48sitting at the bank the next morning.
1:47:50The first time I saw Daddy in the city
1:47:52was yesterday morning and it was at PNC
1:47:56Bank. And you can see from their cameras
1:47:59>> that when I exited the vehicle, I didn't
1:48:02even look his direction.
1:48:05I didn't even speak to the man. I just
1:48:07walked in the bank and started
1:48:08interacting with my business in there
1:48:10because I knew that if I talked to him
1:48:13that it would be perceived that I'm
1:48:15telling him something. He didn't know
1:48:17what documents we were signing. Um, he
1:48:21found out what documents we were signing
1:48:22when after I withdrew money,
1:48:27and I went to Kiara, the associate at
1:48:30the bank,
1:48:33and asked her to notoriize it. She said,
1:48:34"I can't notoriize the last little
1:48:36testament, and I can't notoriize the
1:48:38power of attorney. It's against our
1:48:39policy, but you can go to the UPS
1:48:41store."
1:48:42>> I got up, walked outside, told Rico,
1:48:45"Follow me. We're going to UPS. Don't
1:48:47forget what I told you. We hand my dad a
1:48:49deed, paperwork, and the keys. As soon
1:48:50as I get done with my conversation with
1:48:52him, we went to UPS on camera. Passed at
1:48:57least three Fed County cameras on the
1:48:58way there cuz it's sung throughout the
1:49:00pavilion and I counted three when we
1:49:01were driving. All of that recorded. I
1:49:04was never in the car with him. He was
1:49:06never in the car with me.
1:49:07>> We got to the UPS store again. I got out
1:49:11and didn't speak to him except for he
1:49:13told me to hold it because when we were
1:49:14about to go into the UPS store, some guy
1:49:16was coming out. So he made me hold it so
1:49:18I could open the door for the man. Then
1:49:20we went in there. We signed the
1:49:22paperwork. I made them send him a
1:49:23digital copy of it. And I gave him the
1:49:25hard copy. And then I said, "I'm about
1:49:28to tell you something."
1:49:30And when I get through telling you, you
1:49:33must dial 911
1:49:36before you leave this lot. That's
1:49:38exactly what I said. I helped him get
1:49:41into the sprinter. He sat in the
1:49:43Sprinter. I never stood inside of the
1:49:45Sprinter. M
1:49:46>> I looked up through the portal and I
1:49:48told Rico, "At this point, what I need
1:49:50for you to do is just earnestly listen
1:49:53to what is about to be said."
1:49:55>> And you're going to be questioned about
1:49:56it and I want you to tell the truth.
1:49:58>> Mhm.
1:49:59>> Tell the truth about what you did. That
1:50:00you picked up Mr. Harden Senior from the
1:50:02airport, that you took him to get
1:50:04something to eat, that you took him to a
1:50:06hotel, that you picked him up from that
1:50:07same hotel the next morning, that you
1:50:09took him to PNC Bank, and that you just
1:50:10took him to UPS. And now I'm going to
1:50:12tell you something.
1:50:13>> Mhm. And then I told him what happened.
1:50:16He broke down crying.
1:50:18And his immediate thing was, "What are
1:50:21you going to do?"
1:50:22>> Mhm.
1:50:25And I said, "Dad, you you cannot focus
1:50:27on that right now.
1:50:30You got to focus on our children.
1:50:32>> You got to focus on my boys. You cannot
1:50:35focus on me.
1:50:37>> Do not focus on being hurt. Focus on the
1:50:39children. That's the only thing that's
1:50:41important at this point.
1:50:44And then I thought I had him in a place
1:50:45where he was going to be able to
1:50:46continue talking to me. But I abruptly
1:50:48ended the conversation cuz he the man
1:50:49broke out crying. It was so bad that
1:50:52Rico got out of the driver's seat and
1:50:53came and got in the back with him and
1:50:55started hugging. He a stranger was
1:50:57hugging him, you know.
1:50:58>> And I couldn't barely look at that. So I
1:51:00just turned around. I closed the door to
1:51:02the Sprinter. And as I was closing it, I
1:51:04said, "Rico,
1:51:06make sure that he dials 911
1:51:10the second that he can talk." Mhm.
1:51:14>> And he said, "Okay." And I closed the
1:51:15door, got in my car, and pulled off.
1:51:17>> You remember about what time it was?
1:51:19>> No, I do. It was about 10:00 in the
1:51:21morning.
1:51:21>> Okay.
1:51:22>> We were at the bank until about 9:47.
1:51:25>> We didn't We didn't get the call till
1:51:27after 11.
1:51:28>> Yes.
1:51:29>> Reason.
1:51:30>> Uh about 10 in the morning. Maybe he sat
1:51:32there for 30 minutes to an hour.
1:51:35>> Just check.
1:51:36>> No, we will. We will. We will.
1:51:38>> I told you where exactly. Like I said,
1:51:40some of the things you're saying. Yes.
1:51:42And it and it it helps out to cooperate
1:51:45that if you tell me we're at the UPS
1:51:47store and I don't know a time frame,
1:51:50then I got to look at all of it. Where
1:51:52if you say I think we're there around
1:51:5310, I can start my search
1:51:56>> more focus. You see what I'm saying?
1:51:58[clears throat]
1:51:58>> Yeah. I get what you're saying. I know
1:51:59what you got to do.
1:52:00>> Was Was the trip west?
1:52:04Was the idea just to get like to Mexico,
1:52:07keep riding? Were you going to go to
1:52:08California be?
1:52:09>> I wasn't sure what plan.
1:52:11>> I didn't have no plan.
1:52:12>> I just knew that.
1:52:17>> I didn't know what I wanted to do. And
1:52:18until I found out, my head was spinning.
1:52:22And I hope you can understand that it's
1:52:23a lot that I have done.
1:52:25>> Sure.
1:52:26>> You've seen my home. You've seen some of
1:52:28where my businesses has going.
1:52:30>> What kind of guy is in this situation?
1:52:34>> That by itself is [ __ ] absurd, right?
1:52:36So, I'm dealing with all of that. You
1:52:38got a chance to, I think, at least see a
1:52:40picture or two of my boys.
1:52:43>> They're good kids.
1:52:45Keep talking to them. You see how smart
1:52:47you see how smart they are.
1:52:49>> They are.
1:52:51>> All right.
1:52:51>> Come on, man. Keep the SRO's took them
1:52:53took care of them yesterday. They they
1:52:58you know, we didn't know what we don't
1:52:59know you. We don't know what kind of
1:53:01state you're in. So, they actually were
1:53:03there. They had their own private
1:53:06protection and they didn't know him.
1:53:09>> And that was and then they u
1:53:13they were reunited with your father take
1:53:16care of. So they're being taken care of.
1:53:19>> Like it's a lot for a human being to
1:53:21deal with. Like you had a bad decision
1:53:22that you made.
1:53:23>> Mhm.
1:53:24>> And then you have the mess that he
1:53:26caused.
1:53:26>> Mhm.
1:53:29And then you need to find a way, which I
1:53:33think God created that,
1:53:34>> but you need to find a way or a higher
1:53:37power if you don't believe in God. You
1:53:38need to find a way to take
1:53:41accountability without anyone else
1:53:43coming to harm. And that's a that's a
1:53:46big thing.
1:53:47>> Sure it is.
1:53:50>> And then you don't know what your state
1:53:51of mind is going to be. It's changing.
1:53:54>> I would imagine constantly.
1:53:56I mean, I really would. I would imagine
1:53:59constantly.
1:54:01>> And then every move I'm making, I'm
1:54:02questioning is this going to come up in
1:54:05my interrogation as something that I'm
1:54:07trying to hide or do? Like, you know,
1:54:10I'm throwing the phones out cuz I don't
1:54:11want to get tracked. So, I bought a
1:54:13burner phone. I didn't really want to
1:54:15call anybody on my business phone
1:54:18until
1:54:20the first call I made was to him. And I
1:54:24actually was using that phone just so I
1:54:25could have internet so I could GPS my
1:54:28way out of uh Georgia. And the reason I
1:54:29was trying to GPS my way out of Georgia
1:54:31is because I know as long as I sit in
1:54:33Georgia, I'm being recorded cuz Georgia
1:54:36is a state that records awful lot. I'm
1:54:39like whatever decision I make, I don't
1:54:40want to make it here because I'm going
1:54:42to be recorded and they're going to be
1:54:43upon me before I have decided what I
1:54:47want to do.
1:54:47>> Mhm. Um,
1:54:50you know, actually I regret to a certain
1:54:54degree even getting the plate because
1:54:56that made me stop
1:54:59and I got the plate and then now I'm
1:55:02thinking something that's true that's
1:55:04not true. I'm thinking I got time but I
1:55:06don't have any time. You know, until you
1:55:08make a decision, you got to continue to
1:55:10move forward, right?
1:55:11>> And that's what I should have did
1:55:12because I knew allstar was going to be
1:55:14my undoing. You can't rip the OnStar out
1:55:15the car. So, I knew that that would be
1:55:17my undoing, you know, and I knew as long
1:55:19as I kept my gas trips to less than 5
1:55:22minutes
1:55:23>> and I'm mobile, it's unsafe for you all
1:55:25to uh have OnStar to deactivate that
1:55:27vehicle while it's in drive.
1:55:30So, that was my plan. I don't know what
1:55:33I intended on doing. I talked about
1:55:35potentially Mexico and then I'm like,
1:55:37well, that means I would have to walk
1:55:38across the desert
1:55:41and I don't know if I'm prepared to do
1:55:42that. Can't passport my way in there.
1:55:47Um,
1:55:48so I hadn't made a final decision on
1:55:50that and I apologize that I don't have a
1:55:52better answer for you. I didn't know
1:55:53what I was going to do.
1:55:54>> But that is that is an answer. And to me
1:55:57that sounds more honest than if you just
1:55:59blankly say, "I want to see you talk."
1:56:03You know what I mean? What you say in
1:56:07that situation makes sense. someone
1:56:09who's going from sad to mad to
1:56:14hysterical to sad to
1:56:17remembering something happy. I'm quite
1:56:20certain all of those things were going
1:56:22on. And in addition to all that, if I
1:56:25get caught now, I can't figure out what
1:56:27tomorrow is.
1:56:29So, if I keep moving, I'm going to be
1:56:33able to try to play something out my
1:56:34head. That makes sense,
1:56:35>> right?
1:56:36It was the movement that was creating
1:56:38the momentum
1:56:40>> from a move.
1:56:41>> And I knew I made the right decision cuz
1:56:42I was monitoring. Like I didn't
1:56:44understand why it took so damn long for
1:56:46dad to get to the house.
1:56:48>> Mhm.
1:56:48>> I didn't understand why it took so long
1:56:50for y'all to respond.
1:56:51>> Mhm. We were actually there pretty quick
1:56:54from from the call to when we got there.
1:56:57>> Oh, okay.
1:56:58>> It was it was
1:56:59>> So in my head, I'm working it from the
1:57:00time that I left. I'm thinking the call
1:57:02happened right then. And so it's like
1:57:04why didn't I see Fed County like pulling
1:57:05up immediately
1:57:07>> but then what confirmed that I had made
1:57:09the correct decision
1:57:11>> was when you all went to secure the home
1:57:13>> when you came in the triangle I'm like I
1:57:15made the right decision today cuz if
1:57:16they had done that while I was here I
1:57:18can't promise that I'd have been like
1:57:19okay I'm coming out with my hands up
1:57:21>> sure
1:57:21>> cuz I'm not in that mindset at that
1:57:23point cuz I'm in my castle now you
1:57:25you're invading in my my arena you know
1:57:27this my you know like I knew that that
1:57:29was going to be in my
1:57:32>> that it was going to in me.
1:57:34>> I'm not saying that I want to do
1:57:35something, but I know that that would
1:57:36have been in me. That's why I wanted to
1:57:37get away from it. Sure.
1:57:38>> You know, and I told him not to go in
1:57:40the house,
1:57:40>> you know, let the police check it. I
1:57:42told him all and he he did. To our
1:57:44knowledge, he didn't go in the house.
1:57:46>> Yeah. To my knowledge.
1:57:47>> Yeah. I think he was a little fearful,
1:57:50fearful
1:57:51>> of what he might see. Not that he would
1:57:53get hurt of
1:57:54>> okay,
1:57:55>> you know, I think he was fearful of what
1:57:57he might see and it would, you know,
1:57:59hurt that what he would see would hurt,
1:58:02not that somebody was there that would
1:58:04hurt, if that makes sense.
1:58:06>> What was your last conversation with
1:58:08Elijah in person or when was your last
1:58:11conversation with Elijah in person?
1:58:15>> My last conversation with Elijah in
1:58:17person was before they left.
1:58:20Today's Thursday
1:58:21>> on Tuesday morning.
1:58:22>> Yeah, today's Thursday
1:58:23>> before they left Wednesday morning.
1:58:24>> Wednesday. [clears throat]
1:58:25>> Oh, Wednesday morning.
1:58:27>> What was that conversation about?
1:58:28>> It was cryptic as hell.
1:58:30>> And both of them were standing there and
1:58:32they looked a little afraid
1:58:35because I was uh
1:58:37beyond a place where you could
1:58:39communicate with me in a in a normal
1:58:40way. I was just telling people things.
1:58:44So, I walked up to Johnny and I'm like,
1:58:45"When you see my father, tell my father
1:58:48that if he has any questions or needs
1:58:50any paperwork, it's in my office."
1:58:54I looked at Elijah and said, "I love
1:58:56you.
1:59:01I'm proud of you.
1:59:05I believe in you.
1:59:07Don't ever let
1:59:09anybody tell you anything different."
1:59:11And he said, "What are you saying? I'm
1:59:13not going to see you again. You know, he
1:59:16a goofy. You know, as much as a a
1:59:1920-year-old can be sharp as he is, he's
1:59:21still a 20-year-old. So, he kind of, you
1:59:22know, you don't get what the hell going
1:59:24on.
1:59:25>> You know, it's right in his face. He
1:59:27can't see it. Not was blessed that that
1:59:29was the case cuz I didn't have to
1:59:31explain myself.
1:59:33And he said, "Uh,
1:59:36so I'm not going to see you again." I'm
1:59:37like, "No, you're not going to see me
1:59:38again." the previous day what I had told
1:59:41him uh I had told him that his auntie
1:59:47would never come back if I didn't leave
1:59:50and stay gone. So that's the that's the
1:59:53understanding that he was working under
1:59:54and I also said that to him verbally.
1:59:57Um, so when I said that to him that next
2:00:00day, that was a followup to that
2:00:01conversation where I'm saying, "I'm
2:00:03about to leave. You're never going to
2:00:04see me again, you know, so that way this
2:00:07situation can continue. Make sure the
2:00:10kids is good." You know, I was giving
2:00:12him instructions about that about the
2:00:14business. I told him, "You make sure
2:00:16when you're um" I gave him as much
2:00:19password information as I could give him
2:00:21login information so he could log into
2:00:22the systems. I told him to make sure
2:00:24that when he's um on his way to a
2:00:27customer's house that he sends them the
2:00:28on the way text, that he invoices
2:00:30immediately so he doesn't get screwed
2:00:32and not get paid. You know, that he
2:00:34drives carefully and safely in the
2:00:36vehicles remembering to lock down the
2:00:39gladers. Like that sort of stuff is what
2:00:40we were talking about.
2:00:44We did that all on camera like and
2:00:48although there's no audio on that side
2:00:49of the house, you can see me pointing
2:00:51and saying like, you know, here's where
2:00:52stuff said, here the keys are for this,
2:00:55you know, like I'm just giving them and
2:00:57they left. Gave I gave both them hugs,
2:01:00told them that I love him. They pulled
2:01:02it off and then I stood there and I
2:01:04think I smoked a cigar and then went and
2:01:06met that. So that was my last
2:01:08conversation with him, just telling him
2:01:10I love them and giving him instructions.
2:01:13And it was cryptic. He was confused.
2:01:17Um I after they left, I think he text
2:01:21me, "You have his phone." And he said,
2:01:23"Uh,
2:01:24I'm fearful."
2:01:26Or something to that effect, but I will
2:01:29make you proud. you know, so he sensed
2:01:31there was something [ __ ] up going on,
2:01:33but
2:01:35um there was no way that I would have
2:01:39told him what what what that was because
2:01:41I knew that it would have broken.
2:01:45>> Did one of you personally tell him what
2:01:46happened or did
2:01:48>> I think your dad probably did cuz I
2:01:51haven't spoken to him.
2:01:58>> Again, guys, this is not a conspiracy.
2:02:03their reactions.
2:02:04>> I mean, it didn't seem like something
2:02:05was planned out for weeks and weeks or
2:02:07anything like that. We just, you know,
2:02:09>> there's some there's some [ __ ] that's
2:02:14all of a sudden occurring and you just
2:02:17like making decisions and they're not
2:02:19good decisions, but decisions are being
2:02:20made that you're being made because of
2:02:22this panic state of mind that you in.
2:02:24And it's only tied to the children. You
2:02:26know what I'm saying? It says, "I can't
2:02:28let the kids see this. I can't let these
2:02:30kids see nothing like this, you know? I
2:02:33can't let them see anything that would
2:02:35suggest some foul [ __ ] Kenny asked
2:02:37about the door. And I was like, "Oh, the
2:02:39door just fell out." And he's so smart.
2:02:42He said, "Dors uh the window glass will
2:02:45fall out like that, Dad." And I'm like,
2:02:46"Yeah, sometime you see it's plastic,
2:02:50you know."
2:02:51>> Yeah,
2:02:51>> I know there's probably going to be
2:02:52issue with that. All you got to do is go
2:02:54into that DVR and go into between um
2:03:0010 and 12 and you going to see she took
2:03:02a foot and kicked down that door.
2:03:04>> Was that 10 and 12 p.m.?
2:03:07>> That's Monday night.
2:03:08>> Monday night.
2:03:08>> Okay. So, the door incident happened
2:03:10Monday night, too.
2:03:11>> Yeah. And I ain't trying to be
2:03:12insulting, but y'all listening to me,
2:03:14right? Like that's all that stuff
2:03:15happened.
2:03:16>> You said a lot of stuff.
2:03:16>> You said a lot of [laughter] stuff.
2:03:18>> I'm sorry.
2:03:19>> Just let you talk. We haven't
2:03:20interrupted you. So,
2:03:21>> yeah. Yeah, we're just confirming.
2:03:23>> We're just confirming because that, you
2:03:24know, I thought that was a separate
2:03:25incident.
2:03:27>> Okay.
2:03:27>> We we guessed on the lock on the door
2:03:29though when the first time I don't think
2:03:33we knew and the door shut and all of a
2:03:35sudden it said and it locked. I said,
2:03:38"Oh,
2:03:39somebody locked itself out." And
2:03:44we guessed on that part.
2:03:45>> Yeah. But see, the bottom lock was the
2:03:47problem cuz the the top lock of all of
2:03:50those locks like that is going to lock
2:03:52automatic.
2:03:54We have a key so late at night,
2:03:58>> we can unlock it.
2:03:59>> True.
2:04:00>> So that when we do use our thumb or the
2:04:02code, we can still get in. If you look
2:04:06at
2:04:08the uh
2:04:11sun room footage,
2:04:13you going to hear me saying that to her.
2:04:15Like, use your damn key. Like, I'm
2:04:18standing on the private side. I'm like,
2:04:19I ain't antagonizing you. I'm not
2:04:22locking you out. Use your [ __ ] key.
2:04:24Like, I said Elisha's outside. How do
2:04:26you think he got outside? Like, it's
2:04:28it's it's access. And then the motion of
2:04:32her kicking the van. I'm like, what the
2:04:34[ __ ] man? So, no, that's all there.
2:04:38>> Did um did you have any conversation
2:04:41with the kids about where Karen was?
2:04:43>> Nope. Not a single one.
2:04:45>> Did they ask anything?
2:04:46>> Nope.
2:04:48And that was a blessing.
2:04:51Uh part of it is is that I didn't allow
2:04:53space.
2:04:55So I got them up at 6:00. Kingston had
2:04:58to be on the bus at 6:30.
2:05:00Got him up, told him I love them, asked
2:05:02them how they slept, and immediately
2:05:04started on that.
2:05:06When he was done, I handed him a granola
2:05:08bar, which he was pretty distracted and
2:05:10excited about. And that carried us
2:05:12through until I got him off to school.
2:05:14It was a
2:05:16um it was a heroin feat for a father in
2:05:19this scenario cuz I did not want to be
2:05:21faced with that question. And I did what
2:05:24I needed to do uh communicating wise to
2:05:27keep him from even thinking about it.
2:05:29You know, it's just another day. You
2:05:31know, maybe mom's still sleep, you know,
2:05:33and dad's taking us a day and it's all
2:05:35good. Like, and I'm glad it worked out
2:05:37that way. Tuesday night. Did you Were
2:05:40you at the house? Did you spend the
2:05:41night at the house Tuesday night?
2:05:43>> Yep. Yeah. And the boys did, too.
2:05:47>> Yeah. And I kept that door closed.
2:05:50I stayed out of the room until I ate. Um
2:05:53I ate two slices of pizza
2:05:57and I took a shower and I was saying to
2:06:00myself, "This could be my final shower."
2:06:04Um, took the oxy and then I went to
2:06:07sleep.
2:06:09Uh, Elijah got the boys from school that
2:06:12day and I ordered them pizza and I
2:06:14stayed away from the boys so that I
2:06:16didn't
2:06:18uh run upon them and end up with the
2:06:20questions of like
2:06:22>> so they didn't see you Tuesday when they
2:06:24got back from school.
2:06:25>> They saw me a few times but they didn't
2:06:27see me at length.
2:06:28>> Okay. Um,
2:06:32Kingston saw me in the movie theater cuz
2:06:34he was playing the game. Uh, Johnny and
2:06:38him have a great relationship like that
2:06:39where they just sit and play Tekken cuz
2:06:41Johnny's kind of a kid in a lot of ways.
2:06:43So, they were playing Tekken.
2:06:45I hugged him and I kissed him on his
2:06:48forehead and Kingston said, "Ew." You
2:06:51know, like when I kissed him on his
2:06:52forehead and I went upstairs. Kenny was
2:06:54sleep. He was That was at about 7
2:06:56something. He was asleep uh on on his
2:07:00little couch in his uh playroom and I
2:07:02just kissed him on his forehead.
2:07:04He didn't wake up
2:07:07and um
2:07:10like I said, I came and just stayed out
2:07:12of everybody's way and didn't then
2:07:15avoided everybody. It was shame, it was
2:07:18guilt, it was a lot of things. I didn't
2:07:20want to face my children. Hey, my
2:07:22children, you know, they're smart and
2:07:24they pick up on stuff and um
2:07:28I didn't want to face them. So, I
2:07:29avoided them Tuesday. For the most part,
2:07:31I made sure that as an as the adult and
2:07:34the responsible person in their life
2:07:35that everything went as it should go.
2:07:38And other than that, I just was asking
2:07:40Elijah if he could deal with the stuff.
2:07:42So, Elijah picked them up from school,
2:07:45I'm sorry, from the bus stop
2:07:49and
2:08:06I'm sorry. I'm trying to think if Elijah
2:08:07took them to school yesterday morning to
2:08:09the bus stop or if I did. And for some
2:08:11reason, I'm drawing a blank.
2:08:14The the camera will tell you, the street
2:08:15view will tell you, if it's the pickup,
2:08:18then it was Elijah.
2:08:20Um, I'm I'm fairly certain it was Elijah
2:08:24because in order for me to have come up
2:08:26there, I had already packed my car.
2:08:30So, it had to have been Elijah. So,
2:08:31Elijah took them to school, I'm sorry,
2:08:33to the bus stop. It's at the end of the
2:08:35street.
2:08:36>> Mhm.
2:08:36>> Wednesday morning. So, I didn't even see
2:08:39the kids. And that's on purpose because,
2:08:42like I said, I was trying not to
2:08:43FaceTime and get that question. Yeah.
2:08:55I think we've covered just about
2:08:56everything we can cover.
2:08:57>> Yeah.
2:08:59>> Uh,
2:09:02is there anybody that you have the
2:09:04number of that we can call Harriage?
2:09:06Bad.
2:09:10She was pretty estranged from our
2:09:12mother.
2:09:16What about her dad? Does her dad still
2:09:18alive for him?
2:09:19>> He's been deceased since before we got
2:09:20married.
2:09:22His brother committed suicide.
2:09:25>> It's a closed loop. It's just Elijah.
2:09:27And if Elijah knows, he told his
2:09:29brother.
2:09:33>> I spoke to his mother a little bit. Was
2:09:35that Was that John? Is that the one
2:09:38Johnny
2:09:39that we saw out in the culdeac? That
2:09:42yes, that might be John
2:09:43>> that had the bomb on the speaker phone.
2:09:44>> Yes, Elijah.
2:09:46>> No, Elijah was in the work truck.
2:09:48>> No, Johnny was with Elijah. That this is
2:09:50somebody else.
2:09:52>> Okay. She's She just seemed like a nice
2:09:55person.
2:09:55>> Who is that?
2:09:57>> The
2:09:58Car's mom.
2:10:00>> Oh, okay. But you said somebody had her
2:10:02own speaker phone.
2:10:05>> I don't know who that could have been
2:10:07other than
2:10:08>> some
2:10:10>> I don't know. I don't remember his name.
2:10:12It was a guy.
2:10:15>> I really don't know him.
2:10:21>> He seemed very nice. Like I said, her
2:10:24mom, Carrie's mom seemed very nice.
2:10:28>> You know, when last they talked or what
2:10:30that relationship was like?
2:10:32>> Yes, man. I still look super rocky.
2:10:35>> They don't talk a lot.
2:10:36>> No. [clears throat]
2:10:37Um,
2:10:44the way that Carrie has explained it to
2:10:46me
2:10:48is there's some
2:10:50animosity there because her mother's at
2:10:52Jehovah witness
2:10:56and the way that they're operating in
2:10:58that rural town, they're uh
2:11:02everything's end times. So they're not
2:11:04she wasn't letting Carrie talk to
2:11:07anybody,
2:11:09including her family members.
2:11:11So she Carrie was kind of blaming her
2:11:13for what happened to Adrian and her
2:11:14brother.
2:11:16You know, she says, "You take these
2:11:19mixed kids and you move to, you know,
2:11:24one of the most racist towns we have in
2:11:26Missouri cuz they fly the Confederate
2:11:29flag and the KKK emblems and stuff
2:11:32freely. And that's fine. Freedom of
2:11:35speech is what it is. Those people can
2:11:36do that. But you're going to try to
2:11:38raise mixed kids in that environment.
2:11:41And Adrian, he's dealing with substance.
2:11:43you going to have him down there and you
2:11:45thinking that's going to work out, you
2:11:47know, so there's blame there. Um, and so
2:11:49the Royce relationship is being real
2:11:51rocky. What's interesting though is that
2:11:54within the past week or two, they have
2:11:56had a conversation about her mother
2:11:58potentially coming here for the very
2:12:00first time.
2:12:02And
2:12:04what Carrie said to me was, I said,
2:12:07"When's your mother coming? You know
2:12:09that woman ain't gonna come." But I know
2:12:11they had at least had the conversation
2:12:12about it. We joked with Elijah. We we uh
2:12:17hell, what sucks is that may have been
2:12:19Monday before everything hit the fan.
2:12:23But I had uh it was her idea, but I had
2:12:25joked with Elijah. And uh cuz she had
2:12:28said, "What if Elijah thinks that my mom
2:12:32is going to come and get him?"
2:12:35And I'm like, "Yeah, let's [ __ ] with him
2:12:37a little bit." So he was in there
2:12:38washing dishes. I'm like, "Alijah, I got
2:12:41to tell you something." So, he came to
2:12:42the door. He's like, "Yes, sir." I'm
2:12:43like, "Uh,
2:12:46you going to have all your bags packed
2:12:47by the time your grandmother gets here?"
2:12:48And he's like, "For what?" And I'm like,
2:12:51"You know you're going with her. She's
2:12:52coming to get you."
2:12:56And he was like, "I ain't going." And he
2:12:58walked off. And then he came back and he
2:13:00was like,
2:13:04"Are you serious? I can't be with you
2:13:07guys anymore. I gotta go with her. And
2:13:09I'm like, man, I was just playing with
2:13:11you. And then we started laughing. But
2:13:12you could tell that he had started
2:13:13turning up a little bit. I had gotten
2:13:15real good. And uh we were just teasing.
2:13:18But no, the relationship ain't never
2:13:19been good.
2:13:21And uh I know she don't care for me. And
2:13:23that [ __ ] this is validated every
2:13:27evil thing she ever thought about me. Um
2:13:30when that restraining order, her and my
2:13:32she don't care for my dad. So I'm not
2:13:34sure how they were able to communicate
2:13:35what they communicated whenever they
2:13:37did. I think he said he talked to her.
2:13:40But at the conclusion of the restraining
2:13:41order, obviously it was released upon
2:13:43getting to the court and just showing
2:13:44the judge
2:13:46the text messages and screenshots where
2:13:48Carrie had text me and said that a
2:13:50patient had put their hands on her and
2:13:52then all of the other text messages that
2:13:54she sent me even though she wasn't
2:13:55supposed to be talking to me about how
2:13:57she wanted me to come home and that she
2:13:58loved me and all this stuff. So the
2:14:00judge saw it immedately threw it out. I
2:14:02get to the house, my mother-in-law has
2:14:04moved in and drilled out all the locks
2:14:06in the house, pulled down all the
2:14:08cameras. It was trash everywhere. So, my
2:14:11dad had went with me cuz we didn't know
2:14:13what was going to happen at the address.
2:14:14And I wanted to have a witness. And I
2:14:17remember my dad asking her, he said,
2:14:18"Ivon,
2:14:20don't you see you tearing these young
2:14:22people's marriage up?
2:14:24You don't see a problem with that?"
2:14:27And she says, "Uh, it's my turn."
2:14:30and he's like, "Yeah, and it's my son,
2:14:32but I'm not trying to tear their
2:14:34marriage down." So, they've had a tense
2:14:36relationship, too, you know, and I don't
2:14:38speak with her unless it's indirectly. I
2:14:41dealt with Adrian's funeral arrangements
2:14:43myself personally.
2:14:45I asked her what she wanted to
2:14:47accomplish and then I told her what I
2:14:49was going to do. I made the funeral home
2:14:52in St. Louis um come with me, their
2:14:55friends, cuz like I said, I was a pastor
2:14:57for 10 years. I made them come with me
2:15:00to retrieve Adrian's body. I handled all
2:15:02of the affairs and I pretty much kept
2:15:04her out of it while I still honored her
2:15:06wishes. So, we did have a Christian
2:15:09service, but we did it in a way where we
2:15:11could do Jehovah Witness stuff. We sang
2:15:15the songs that she had selected that she
2:15:18wanted us to sing.
2:15:20And uh yeah, her and Carrie just haven't
2:15:22had a you know, I mean, there's more
2:15:24stuff with that. I mean, Carrie got
2:15:25molested because, you know, Avon was
2:15:28never around. Adrian was in the street
2:15:30running the street and Carrie was left
2:15:33unattended. She's got animosity about
2:15:35that because I think that that impacts
2:15:38how she's dealt with me to a certain
2:15:39degree on some things.
2:15:43And we got to the point where I said to
2:15:45her that I really didn't want to hear
2:15:48about it anymore because I didn't feel
2:15:50that I would be able to give neutral
2:15:51feedback about it. You know, I told her
2:15:54I would rather that she speak with her
2:15:56friends than speak with me about how she
2:15:58felt about Obama. So, cuz I don't have a
2:16:02good opinion because I what I have seen
2:16:04and been a part of.
2:16:05>> Who Who was Car's best friend?
2:16:08>> Alicia.
2:16:10Alicia Allen.
2:16:12Yeah.
2:16:15>> Is she local?
2:16:16>> No.
2:16:16>> They just talk on the phone.
2:16:18>> Yeah, it's all on the phone.
2:16:23U is there anybody local
2:16:26>> that [clears throat] you are friends
2:16:27with close to?
2:16:29>> No, not really.
2:16:32>> The neighbor to your left you're looking
2:16:34at your house on the left hand side.
2:16:36>> He's a weird old dude.
2:16:39>> White dog.
2:16:41>> Good.
2:16:41>> He said nothing. I mean he was he came
2:16:45out of course with all the cars.
2:16:46>> Yeah.
2:16:47>> And
2:16:49he just said I just hope everybody's
2:16:50okay. They're super focused. He was a
2:16:53nice guy.
2:16:54I'd want to know that what my neighbor
2:16:56said about me.
2:17:01Yeah, I take care of my neighbors. I
2:17:03feel responsible for them. They're all
2:17:04senior citiz
2:17:27nobody heard anything according to them.
2:17:30So
2:17:32that's not who I am, sir.
2:17:38There's been a chain of events that have
2:17:40been out of my control. I've sought help
2:17:43and um
2:17:46her and I couldn't come to agreement on
2:17:47how to get help together. She refused to
2:17:49go to counseling.
2:17:53Man, crying like a girl, man.
2:17:57Anything
2:18:07else?
2:18:08>> Can I ask a few questions since you're
2:18:10done with me? Sure. If I can answer
2:18:13them, I'll be
2:18:14>> You need to process my car. So, you
2:18:17going to take it to Georgia, right?
2:18:20>> Why do I need to process your car? Did
2:18:22something criminal happen in it?
2:18:24>> No, it's just
2:18:25>> And you cleaned up after Monday night
2:18:28between when you left on Wednesday, I'm
2:18:31guessing you didn't have on the same
2:18:32clothes.
2:18:33>> No, I took a shower.
2:18:34>> Mhm.
2:18:35>> So, right after you
2:18:38uh shop carry, you didn't go get in the
2:18:42car.
2:18:43>> Mhm. No, sir.
2:18:45>> So, why do I need to take your car to
2:18:46Georgia?
2:18:49>> I just thought that was standard based
2:18:50on what the conversation with the young
2:18:52man that I had the exact it it's
2:18:56possible. And here's you got to
2:18:58understand this too. We hadn't found
2:19:00her. I can't remember what we It was
2:19:03almost at the same time. We got word
2:19:07that she was in custody and we found
2:19:08her.
2:19:09>> Yeah.
2:19:09>> I mean, it was it was pretty close. It
2:19:12was late last night
2:19:14>> when we found her.
2:19:16>> That's so loud. I thought it would be so
2:19:18obvious.
2:19:20>> There it was looked at, but what wasn't
2:19:23there? What wasn't obvious, and I don't
2:19:25I'm not trying to be too graphic with
2:19:27you, but there was no smell and
2:19:29something that we believed occurred on
2:19:31Monday night, um, in the Georgia heat,
2:19:35typically there is scent and and insect
2:19:39activity, and there didn't appear to be
2:19:42either. So, got um
2:19:47anyway, that conversation about your car
2:19:50was very, we've considered it very
2:19:52important.
2:19:54cuz we didn't know where she was.
2:19:56>> But when we learned she was there, it we
2:19:59found it very unlikely that you moved
2:20:01her to the trunk and then moved her back
2:20:03in the yard. That didn't make any sense.
2:20:05>> No.
2:20:05>> So
2:20:06>> that's why she would have never been in
2:20:07the garage,
2:20:08>> right? And if you had fled right after,
2:20:12I feel like your car would be again
2:20:14would be important because it would show
2:20:18maybe stuff from the crime scene
2:20:20immediately after the crime occurred and
2:20:21you fled.
2:20:23But in this case, because it was well
2:20:26over 24 hours, only a crazy person would
2:20:29still be in their bloody clothes.
2:20:32>> So, um I just I don't see the value in
2:20:36taking your car back to Georgia.
2:20:38>> I'm only asking cuz my my brother
2:20:40inquired with me about where he need to
2:20:42get it from and if he can get it because
2:20:44I told him based on what I heard from
2:20:46these guys in the inside
2:20:48>> is that this market is a 250 a day
2:20:51market.
2:20:52that I don't know anything about, but as
2:20:55soon as as soon as it's released
2:20:58um from, you know, from from us and we
2:21:02right now there is a hold on it, but as
2:21:04soon as we're done and and and we leave
2:21:06out of Louisiana um I'm sure they'll
2:21:10contact whoever we contact Lee and let
2:21:14them know.
2:21:15>> Um will my firearms be returned?
2:21:19>> No. Okay.
2:21:23Not the ones that are involved,
2:21:25>> right? The as far as the other property
2:21:27goes, it'll probably be a determination
2:21:30of the court. Firearms are real funny
2:21:33about, you know, they belong to you or
2:21:36your andor your wife. Your children are
2:21:39too young. Uh your father didn't live
2:21:42there. I know he's got power of
2:21:43attorney, but he wasn't living there.
2:21:45So, they're not his. Uh they're not
2:21:48Elijah's. were real funny about giving
2:21:51guns back.
2:21:52>> Okay,
2:21:53>> it doesn't mean it's not going to happen
2:21:55because the the the DA, the district
2:21:57attorney may say the case is done. We're
2:22:00over family can have all property back
2:22:04except
2:22:05obviously the uh Smith and Wesson would
2:22:08never uh
2:22:11>> Yeah. No, I wasn't asking that.
2:22:12>> No, no, no, no. I I understand and I
2:22:14didn't feel like you were but there was
2:22:16a lot of other stuff that you know um
2:22:20the firearm that doesn't have a serial
2:22:21number ain't going to go back.
2:22:23>> I have a firearm that doesn't have a
2:22:25serial number.
2:22:25>> There was a pump shotgun pistol grip
2:22:30under Elijah's bed.
2:22:32>> Doesn't have a serial number.
2:22:34>> Can you say it to me one more time?
2:22:36>> It was a pistol grip pump Mossberg
2:22:40shotgun. All black in color with no
2:22:43serial number.
2:22:45That would not be going back.
2:22:47>> Oh, I need to kick his ass.
2:22:49>> Yep. Cuz those little kids are running
2:22:51around there
2:22:54100%.
2:23:00>> I'm sorry. I hope that you this
2:23:02authentic reaction. Every gun that I
2:23:03have have a serial number on it and the
2:23:05paperwork for every firearm that I have
2:23:07is either in that safe or in my office.
2:23:09is yellow papers,
2:23:10>> right?
2:23:10>> They were all bought almost damn near
2:23:12from the same place, Metro Shooting
2:23:14Supply. I know the owner. You can call
2:23:16him, verify every single gun that I have
2:23:18purchased. I do not agree with you. I
2:23:20agree with you. We only We were told
2:23:22>> that's the only one that one firearm
2:23:23collected.
2:23:24>> That's the [clears throat] only one.
2:23:25>> Yeah. That looked shady.
2:23:28So, and it wasn't with your stuff. So, I
2:23:30I I believe you. I believe you.
2:23:33>> And did Elijah's room when you go up the
2:23:36stairs, is that to the left or to the
2:23:37right?
2:23:37>> Left.
2:23:38>> Okay. That's the first room on the left.
2:23:40>> And that's next to the kids. It's
2:23:42adjacent to the kids. What he's saying?
2:23:43>> That's where it was. It was under his
2:23:45bed.
2:23:45>> Yeah. That's [ __ ]
2:23:47>> My boys play around there.
2:23:48>> Yeah.
2:23:51>> Elijah
2:23:54got to grow up.
2:23:55>> He got to grow up now for sure.
2:23:57>> Yep. I hope that this conversation
2:24:00has helped to I'm not trying to paint
2:24:02myself any kind of way, but I hope it
2:24:04provides enough clarity to put some of
2:24:07this suspicion about what I've done and
2:24:09why to bed so that it doesn't bring
2:24:13additional harm to my family members.
2:24:15>> And and I understand what you're saying
2:24:17and and it's a a very noble and
2:24:19righteous
2:24:22>> you try to spare a family. I I get that.
2:24:25Um,
2:24:26I don't think any reason it's going to
2:24:28be
2:24:31completely understood by everybody, you
2:24:33know.
2:24:34>> Oh, I'm not asking it to be
2:24:36>> I I understand what I'm saying.
2:24:38>> I do. I do. I do. You're saying no
2:24:40families involved. You've said that from
2:24:42the start. I get it.
2:24:44>> I don't I don't know. Um, like I said,
2:24:47knowing now the time frame of where you
2:24:50met your father and what you said to
2:24:52your father, I understand why that
2:24:55there's a delay. I get it.
2:24:58>> He was overly distraught and I it makes
2:25:02no I and we'll we'll confirm all that. U
2:25:07what I'm what I'm letting you know is it
2:25:09does it's plausible. It's believable and
2:25:12I appreciate that.
2:25:13>> It doesn't sound crazy.
2:25:16before it sounded malicious.
2:25:19You see what I'm saying?
2:25:20>> That's what was pissing me off because
2:25:21that's how people were talking about.
2:25:22>> Well, it sounded malicious. Wait a
2:25:24minute. You're telling me you knew this
2:25:26when and you didn't say nothing and now
2:25:29all of a sudden it's a problem. Well,
2:25:30that's convenient cuz he ain't nowhere
2:25:32to be found. It initially that's how it
2:25:36looks here.
2:25:37>> Guys, we're talking what they hear in
2:25:39your explanation. Now, is it plausible?
2:25:42Sure it is. But most people don't think
2:25:44that way. Most people don't think, hey,
2:25:46what's a guy do after he shoots his wife
2:25:49and buries her and and and figures out a
2:25:51way that he's going to flee and he gets
2:25:53a power of attorney and do most people.
2:25:58It's a lot. You know what I mean? It's
2:26:01not it's not a straight
2:26:03linear line of thinking. So,
2:26:07>> I had to add a power of attorney because
2:26:08otherwise
2:26:09>> it makes sense. have I'm saying it
2:26:12there's certain things that don't I
2:26:14realize that if I didn't get the power
2:26:16of attorney
2:26:18it was going to be a [ __ ] show. Sure.
2:26:22I get it.
2:26:24Did you have any other question
2:26:26just about the car?
2:26:33Oh, the young the baby detective said
2:26:36that it would be up to you to initiate
2:26:39the uh and I'm sure he'll get a kick out
2:26:42of it. He's watching it. Um
2:26:45that uh
2:26:46>> extradition.
2:26:47>> Yeah.
2:26:47>> I heard you you said you voiceed that
2:26:49you want to come back to Georgia. So I
2:26:50figured more or less that that's where
2:26:53you
2:26:53>> you'll be given an option. It it it it's
2:26:56completely not us. It's not something we
2:26:58do that's handled between DA and DA.
2:27:02What they typically do is say here is a
2:27:05waiver of extradition, meaning you wave
2:27:07it. Hey, I don't want to fight it. Let's
2:27:10just go.
2:27:12That'll be presented to you. At what
2:27:13point in time? I don't know. I don't
2:27:15know Louisiana law. Even if you say,
2:27:18"Screw y'all. I don't want to go back to
2:27:20Georgia."
2:27:22You're not going to be able to fight it.
2:27:24It's because you're in a 50 states and
2:27:26it's there's no reason. It just prolongs
2:27:29inevitably cost you more to your lawyer.
2:27:32>> U but that's not something we are
2:27:35involved in at all. Uh all
2:27:38>> Yeah, you be the last conversation I
2:27:39had. That's why I was asking that. You
2:27:41know, I can't ask the CEO nothing.
2:27:43>> No, they don't know. And if but and like
2:27:46I said, it's not that I'm I'm not being
2:27:48purposely got or hidden or evasive.
2:27:53I'm just telling you, 27 years of doing
2:27:55this, I've seen it happen immediately.
2:28:00And by immediate, I mean within a week.
2:28:02>> I've also seen it where people have
2:28:04waved and it take 30, 60 days. I've seen
2:28:09people fight it and it go by like that.
2:28:12I've seen people fight it and it take a
2:28:13year and all they did was spend a lot of
2:28:15money. It still came anyway. So,
2:28:19um,
2:28:21I'm not being invasive. Uh, but but I
2:28:23will say this, saying that in advance,
2:28:26signing that waiver of expedition is the
2:28:29first step of getting there.
2:28:31>> Where do I sign it at?
2:28:33>> They the their DA will present you with
2:28:35that or their court system. I'm sure
2:28:38you're going to have some kind of what
2:28:41we call it, a first appearance hearing.
2:28:44uh meaning within a certain time of
2:28:46being arrested, you're brought before a
2:28:47judge so the judge can explain to you
2:28:49what you're being charged with. Do you
2:28:51know your rights? Do uh
2:28:55they'll say all that at at that time. I
2:28:57don't know in Louisiana
2:29:00uh but somewhere between there and 30
2:29:02days and we have to have another hearing
2:29:04within 30 days. That's usually when they
2:29:08present people with paperwork. So, just
2:29:11understand it's not as simple as, "Hey,
2:29:12I don't want to be here anymore. I'm
2:29:13going to go to Georgia." There's a
2:29:15there's a whole bunch of legal hoops.
2:29:18Even though that's what you want,
2:29:21there's still a job.
2:29:23>> It makes sense. I get it. That's how
2:29:25most people are. If they know they're
2:29:27going to be in jail, they want to be
2:29:28their family. And I get it. I [ __ ] I
2:29:31would, too. I would, too.
2:29:36Now,
2:29:36>> you're not you're not allowed to talk to
2:29:38me about the charges.
2:29:40Oh, sure. I mean, right now I can tell
2:29:42you that you're charged with felony
2:29:43murder. That was the warrant that was
2:29:45taken out yesterday to get you on a
2:29:46computer and and so that if you can't we
2:29:51we didn't know for a fact, but we felt
2:29:53pretty confident you had a ballistic
2:29:55vest. We felt pretty confident that you
2:29:59at least had one firearm, maybe more,
2:30:01and that you were proficient with their
2:30:03use. Um, so
2:30:06>> and that's the reasoning for how they
2:30:07came yesterday cuz I was like
2:30:10>> that's the reason what now
2:30:12>> these guys came to that hotel like they
2:30:14did.
2:30:14>> Oh, that's 100% why
2:30:16>> we put it out we we we put it out
2:30:19nationally that you were armed and
2:30:21dangerous,
2:30:22>> considered extremely dangerous and
2:30:24possibly had ballistic armor.
2:30:26>> Okay.
2:30:26>> And so yeah, their their SWAT team was
2:30:29activated.
2:30:30>> Okay. Uh that's what that was about, you
2:30:32know, and it's like you said, you even
2:30:34have thoughts. Do I want to kill myself?
2:30:36Do I want to suicide by cop? Yeah.
2:30:38>> We know that's how people think when
2:30:40they're not in a right frame of mind.
2:30:42So, you know, the goal is to go home at
2:30:44night no matter what.
2:30:45>> Yeah. Yeah. Dad dad had a tremendous job
2:30:48with that.
2:30:48>> Yeah. Um
2:30:51but anyways, that that that's Yeah,
2:30:54that's what was behind that that that
2:30:56bolo was put out nationwide.
2:31:00um it's felony murder that now that's
2:31:03the initial like I said to get you on
2:31:05the computer that warrant the DA's
2:31:07office after seeing all the evidence um
2:31:10after they hear your interview they can
2:31:13choose to indict
2:31:15>> ever what they want to or they can
2:31:18direct us no I want him charged this way
2:31:20this way and this way
2:31:21>> the charge right now the the thing
2:31:24you're on the computer for wanted out of
2:31:26Georgia Boris felony murder
2:31:28it said Yeah,
2:31:32>> I don't think I have any more questions.
2:31:33I mean, everything else I just have to
2:31:35deal with that about but you all are in
2:31:36a position where you're investigating,
2:31:38not solving um the other parts of this.
2:31:42So, that's that's something that the
2:31:43court will determine at a later date.
2:31:45>> Correct.
2:31:46>> And until that time, I'm going just
2:31:48behave, keep my head
2:31:50>> That's what I would encourage you. Yep.
2:31:52Yep. Just behave and keep your head
2:31:54down.
2:31:55>> Stay safe. Um,
2:31:58I know that even though you're in here,
2:32:00I as a father and as a son, I know for a
2:32:05fact that your daddy's going to need you
2:32:08regardless of where you are.
2:32:11Those are facts.
2:32:13Your sons, you can still have an impact
2:32:16in their life.
2:32:18U, Elijah, it sounds like y'all been an
2:32:20incredible positive impact on him
2:32:22already. He clearly also still needs
2:32:25more. Um,
2:32:28you know that if you are a man of faith,
2:32:32then there can be good things that go
2:32:35for going forward from from such
2:32:37horrific tragedy. But that's going to be
2:32:40completely up to you.
2:32:48Man, I didn't know you were going to
2:32:49play that on me.
2:32:50>> Well, I ain't trying. Look, if if I I
2:32:52think you will agree
2:32:55since we walked in a room, nothing but
2:32:58professional. I don't judge you. That's
2:33:00not my job.
2:33:05>> I'm glad that you like this cuz I'm
2:33:07>> If you had been aggressive about it,
2:33:09just said
2:33:09>> you to shut down.
2:33:10>> I just talk to my attorney about it.
2:33:13>> D is going to be [ __ ] pissed. But uh
2:33:15but I needed to make sure that because I
2:33:18had to talk to him and um I didn't want
2:33:21to drop it all on his ass, you know, on
2:33:24a jail phone like that.
2:33:25>> Sure. without, you know,
2:33:29but
2:33:32when I seen the footage
2:33:35of
2:33:37the live footage of the man coming back
2:33:39after he had talked to Elijah and he was
2:33:41like,
2:33:43you mean told me that he didn't know
2:33:45what was going on? And I'm like, what?
2:33:48Hold the [ __ ] up. And then when I talked
2:33:51to Elijah last night, he said that they
2:33:53confiscated his phone. I'm like what?
2:33:58So that my wheel been turning about that
2:34:00like
2:34:02>> how did Elijah get
2:34:04you not a part of this? You know, even
2:34:06some of the questions, you know, it
2:34:07sounds to me like F County had some
2:34:09thoughts about Elijah. Maybe it's
2:34:11because of his record. Maybe it's
2:34:12because of the pump shot.
2:34:13>> So when I first spoke with him, I mean,
2:34:15I didn't know anything about his record,
2:34:16but when I first uh talked to him on the
2:34:18phone, he wasn't overly cooperative. Um
2:34:21he said that uh he wouldn't give me a
2:34:23whole lot of information and he said he
2:34:25wasn't comfortable talking over the
2:34:26phone. So
2:34:29that's how we actually talked to him in
2:34:32person. I can understand not wanting to
2:34:34talk to somebody you don't know over the
2:34:35phone. So we ended up had a conversation
2:34:37with him in person which turned out to
2:34:39be a little bit different of a
2:34:41conversation when he was in person cuz
2:34:43at that point he knew he who he was
2:34:45talking to and u why we were really you
2:34:48know wanting to talk to him at that
2:34:50point. It was legit cuz he initially
2:34:52thought he missed court or something
2:34:54while we were calling it.
2:34:56>> Yeah, cuz that's out there right now,
2:34:58too.
2:34:58>> Yeah.
2:35:00>> So, yeah, that's, you know, he didn't he
2:35:02wasn't overly cooperative over the
2:35:03phone, but
2:35:04>> yeah, the the initial was just
2:35:07>> a little short, a little
2:35:10>> And look,
2:35:11>> he never saw you.
2:35:13So, you know, it's one of those things
2:35:14where like when when you tell us
2:35:16something that this didn't happen
2:35:19>> and then you say something else and I
2:35:20was like, well, you know, you're
2:35:22changing your story and if I change my
2:35:24story to you, you're going to look at me
2:35:26like, well, you're which story is right
2:35:29or which story is the truth.
2:35:31>> So, it was kind of lie.
2:35:33>> Yeah. One of them things where you were
2:35:34like, okay, you say you didn't see him,
2:35:36then you saw him, so naturally that's
2:35:38going to raise a suspicion. It doesn't
2:35:39matter if law enforcement or not, you're
2:35:41going to something's going to go in
2:35:42there like, "What are you hiding from
2:35:44me?" So, it's one of those things.
2:35:47>> It's like conversation you're going to
2:35:49have with him about that shotgun.
2:35:51>> Yeah. Yeah.
2:35:53[laughter]
2:35:54>> It don't mean you don't still love him,
2:35:56>> right?
2:35:56>> Just means he needs to stop him making
2:35:58knuckleheaded moves.
2:36:01Um,
2:36:03well, at some point, I mean, obviously,
2:36:06you know, we'll talk again. Um,
2:36:09and like I said, you'll be in Georgia. I
2:36:10just don't I can't speak to that. That's
2:36:12something lawyers work out and u
2:36:24I appreciate you guys.
2:36:26>> Sit tight. I'm sure they got some kind
2:36:28of way they do things.
2:36:41Following the interrogation, Kenneth
2:36:42Harden Jr. was extradited from Louisiana
2:36:45back to Georgia where he faced
2:36:46prosecution in Fyet County for the
2:36:48killing of his wife, Carrie Harden.
2:36:51Investigators had recovered Carrie's
2:36:53partially burned remains from a [music]
2:36:54shallow grave behind the couple's home.
2:36:57The investigation documented nine
2:36:59gunshot wounds, evidence that blood had
2:37:01been cleaned from inside the residence,
2:37:03[music] and an attempt to burn and
2:37:05conceal her body. On June 23rd, 2025,
2:37:09Harden pleaded guilty to all charges
2:37:12against him. 2 days later, he was
2:37:14sentenced to life in [music] prison
2:37:15without the possibility of parole for
2:37:17felony murder. He also received 10 years
2:37:20for concealing the death of another to
2:37:22run concurrently with the life sentence
2:37:25and an additional 5 years for possession
2:37:27of a firearm [music] during the
2:37:28commission of a felony to run
2:37:30consecutively.
2:37:32Carrie was only 40 years old. She was a
2:37:34registered nurse, a successful business
2:37:36owner, and [music] a mother of two young
2:37:38boys. Her death left those children
2:37:40without their mother. Court testimony
2:37:42later established that Kenneth Harden
2:37:44[music] Senior, their grandfather, moved
2:37:46into the family's Merlin Court home and
2:37:48assumed long-term custody of the boys.
2:37:51Kenneth Harden Jr. remains in the
2:37:52custody of the Georgia Department of
2:37:54Corrections, serving his life without
2:37:55parole sentence. If you found this video
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2:38:03work and allows us to continue covering
2:38:05important stories like this one. Thank
2:38:07you.

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