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0:00Don't see see what you're doing. You
0:01keep doing that. Stop doing that. You
0:03gave him the money. Both of you. Both of
0:04us. So, guess what? If if she's Yeah.
0:07Exactly. So, one way or another, you're
0:08in trouble. In mid July 2018, Orlando
0:11police responded to a shocking scene in
0:13a West Jefferson apartment. Inside,
0:1652-year-old Cynthia Stack and her
0:1822-year-old son Shawn had been found
0:20shot to death. Cynthia had worked as a
0:23banker, and investigators say she was
0:25targeted after her elderly father's
0:27financial adviser, 25-year-old Amelia
0:30Bassoon, allegedly stole 50,000 from
0:33him. When questions were raised, alarm
0:35bells sounded, and that's when Joshua
0:38Ramsami, 28, entered the picture. Police
0:42believe Ramsami purchased a handgun,
0:44then returned with bassoon to the
0:46apartment where both Cynthia and Shawn
0:48were shot dead. Now the couple stands
0:51accused of a horrific calculated double
0:53murder to silence a family and cover up
0:56a fraud scheme. This is the
0:57interrogation of Joshua Ramsami.
1:02Oh, thanks. Hey, how you doing, Josh?
1:05Yeah, cold. Well, that water's a little
1:07warm, so that might warm you up a little
1:09bit. Yeah, it's cold in there. Doing all
1:12right, buddy? Yeah. All right, they got
1:14you to the bathroom, right? Mhm. Okay.
1:15You wash your hands? No. No. I was going
1:17to say I'll give one of these. Yeah.
1:19Detective Ferrer. This is Detective.
1:21Have to wash my hands. Okay. All right.
1:22All right. One of those. Yeah. All
1:24right. Uh, so Josh, you had a pretty
1:26harrowing thing with the Akoi Police
1:28Department a couple weeks ago. No, that
1:30was on two Tuesday, I think, last week.
1:33Yeah, we we we actually were sitting in
1:35here. We heard that because they sent
1:36out a single 43, which goes everywhere.
1:38I guess the kid tried to run the cop
1:39over. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. As soon as I
1:41dropped my son to school, I turned the
1:42corner and I heard three shots and I was
1:44like, "What the hell's going on?"
1:46He tried to hit my car and I was like,
1:48"All right." I followed him around the
1:50corner and then I guess Yeah. But it was
1:53a good thing cuz my um my neighbor, his
1:55name is Travis. He works for a Clay
1:56Police Department, so those guys got
1:58there pretty quick. Good. Good. Yeah,
2:00that was weird. Anyway, all right, Josh.
2:02Well, you know, um we could explain to
2:05you what's going on. Obviously, I'm sure
2:06you want to know. Um got a couple things
2:08we need to go over first before we do
2:10that. Uh uh I'm going to put the
2:11recorder on. Uh just so we don't miss
2:13anything. Um, don't put any words in
2:15your mouth. You know, I always tell
2:16people that's fine. Yeah. You know,
2:17people get scared. I'm like, you know
2:18what? I can't put words in your mouth. I
2:20was like, "What the heck's going on?"
2:21Cuz my wife was like, "Listen, there's a
2:23car outside the house." My mother-in-law
2:25was like, "There's a car outside the
2:26house." I'm like, "All right." Cuz then
2:28she worked for Chase, too. So, I guess
2:30her branch manager and somebody else got
2:33followed the other night after they left
2:34work. So, we're all like skeptical like
2:37what's going on? We don't know cuz she
2:38does we don't live that far from her
2:40where she works. So, okay. I was like,
2:42you know, everything going on. And I was
2:43like, "Nah, this is this is not right."
2:45Right. Well, let me turn this on. We'll
2:47go from there. Okay. All right.
2:55This is Detective Brian Fer of the
2:57Atlanta Police Department. Today's date
2:58is uh Tuesday, July 26, 2018. The time
3:01is now approximately
3:041500 hours. This is an interview taking
3:07place at Atlanta Police Headquarters in
3:09C interview room number four. Also
3:11present is Detective Michael Moreshi
3:13with the Orlando Police Department and a
3:16uh Joshua.
3:18Just for the record, if you could just
3:19say your name. Sammy full name and
3:22Sammy. April 8th, 1990. Thank you. Um
3:25Okay, Josh. Uh can I call you Josh?
3:26Yeah, that's all right. Uh can you raise
3:28your hand for please? Do you solemnly
3:29swear or affirm that the testimony you
3:31shall give in this case should be the
3:32truth, the whole truth, and nothing but
3:33the truth? Yes. Okay. Uh all right,
3:36Josh. Um just let me get a little bit of
3:39background information on you real
3:40quick. Um,
3:42do you where do you live on Anka? Yeah,
3:45I'm actually I was supposed to go
3:46tomorrow to go change my license. Okay.
3:49I renew my um my handicap tag in my car.
3:52So, it's 1410 Anchor, right? Yeah. 1410
3:54Ancho. Okay.
3:56What's uh what's a good phone number for
3:58you? Uh 407. Mhm. 202. Mhm. 6675.
4:04Okay.
4:06I guess they got you in a blue Ultima
4:09today when they make Yeah, that Well,
4:10with the whole thing going on with my
4:12wife, we trying to switch cars up now.
4:13Like my my mother-in-law is going to be
4:15using her car sometimes. Sometimes my
4:18wife will be using my mother-in-law's
4:19car. So, Okay. Yeah, cuz before my
4:22father-in-law used to use my car. Okay.
4:26Um, what kind of car do you normally
4:28drive? Uh, red 2000 or burgundy 2015.
4:33Okay.
4:37Are you married? Yes. To Amelia.
4:40Ameilia, right? Okay. We actually just
4:42got married September of last year. Hey,
4:43congratulations. Thank you.
4:47Any kids? Um, she has a kid. One kid.
4:50Okay. So, not yours, though. Yeah. Not
4:51my kid. I claim him as mine. I've known
4:54him since he was like maybe a year and a
4:56half. All right. Or a year and three
4:58months to be exact. All right. Uh, let's
5:01do this. Listen. Um, I'm gonna go over
5:03these with you. Okay. Uh, you understand
5:05what I explain to people is this. You
5:07know, there's always two sides to every
5:08story. Okay. Obviously that we have one
5:10side of a story and that's why you're
5:11here. Yeah. Make sense? All right. Um,
5:14and and really it's for your protection
5:16for us to talk to you. I want to make
5:17sure you understand them. Okay? If you
5:18have any questions about anything that I
5:20read you, you know, I'm going to need a
5:21verbal yes or no. Okay? If you have any
5:23questions about them, you let me know
5:24and we'll go from there. Okay? Not a
5:26problem. All right. So, you have the
5:27right to remain silent. Do you
5:28understand? Yes. Okay. Anything you say
5:30may be used against you in court. Do you
5:31understand? Yes. Okay. You have the
5:33right to talk to a lawyer before and
5:35during questioning. Do you understand?
5:36Yes. Okay. If you cannot afford a lawyer
5:38or want one, one would one will be
5:40provided for you before question without
5:42charge. Do you understand? Yes. Okay.
5:44Has anyone threatened you or promised
5:45you anything to get you to talk to me?
5:47No. Okay. All right. All right. So, um,
5:50you work at Chase? Yes. How long have
5:52you worked at Chase? Uh, May 7th was
5:56when I started. Yeah. May 7th. My wife's
5:58birthday actually was my first day
6:00there.
6:03kind of a new job. Yeah. I actually,
6:06long story short, I injured myself in
6:09December. I actually was putting my
6:10firearm away in the car and I decided to
6:13land on a Zephr Hills water ball cap and
6:15go off of my leg. So, I was doing when I
6:17moved back from New York last year,
6:19right? I was doing a forklift mechanic
6:21with my cousins. Okay. Then after that,
6:24everything just stopped. I was home
6:26doing therapy and then um she was like,
6:28you know, start working again. I'm like,
6:30all right. And then she sent me the
6:32wreck to work for Chase. You like
6:34working for Chase? Oh, I love it. The
6:35best one of the best jobs I've ever had.
6:37What do you do at Chase? Card
6:38collections. Credit card collection. Oh,
6:40boy. Yeah. So, you get hung up on a lot?
6:44Yes and no. But with our company, we
6:45have a lot of like I'd say options
6:48instead of going to like I guess a
6:51collections agency to or debt
6:53consolidation. So, Chasing itself has
6:55like different different avenues I'd say
6:57to go ahead and help people in debt.
6:59Okay.
7:01Um,
7:04any military service? Um, I was in boot
7:07camp for a little bit and then I
7:09actually got out from medical. Okay. And
7:11you grew up in in New York. Did I hear
7:13you say? I was born in Queens. From
7:15Queens, we moved to New Hampshire. From
7:16New Hampshire to here. New Hampshire.
7:18Yeah. Yeah. That's a little bit of a
7:20change. Oh, yeah. I loved it there,
7:22though. The weather was I I like the
7:24land, the weather. But then after 911,
7:27the whole racial thing with my parents.
7:29Yeah. We moved down to Florida and then
7:31I went up to New York for a year about a
7:34year and then came back back down in I
7:37think it was June June of last year.
7:40Okay. Yeah. Where where your parents
7:41from if you don't mind me asking.
7:42Parents are from Guyana. Guyana. Yeah.
7:44So they kept on getting kind of confused
7:46for uh Yeah. They were My mom used to
7:49work and my mom works in the banking
7:50environment too and my dad used to work
7:52for a printing company. And I guess it
7:54was just the the whole racism thing.
7:56Everybody's like, you know, you're
7:57brown, so you're a terrorist over there.
7:59Yeah. Yeah. That's not cool. Awful. Um
8:04Okay. Uh you know, I don't know. Let me
8:08ask you this question. I'm going to
8:08throw this out to you. Why do you think
8:10you're sitting here right now? I
8:11honestly have no idea. No idea. No idea.
8:14Okay. Um have you Well, let me ask you a
8:18question. What was the last bank account
8:20that you've opened? Uh Bank of America.
8:22Okay. In whose name? And my name is
8:25Julian's name. Okay. Tell me about that.
8:28Um, my wife came home. Who did you go
8:30with? I went by myself. By yourself?
8:32Yeah. Which which branch did you go to?
8:35The AOE branch.
8:46Um, do you remember when that was?
8:51I can't honestly remember.
8:54This month, last month? No, no, no. It
8:56wasn't. It was probably a couple months.
8:59[Music]
9:01Trying to think.
9:07I think it was before I started working
9:08for Chase, I think. Okay.
9:13So, make sure I understand you now. Your
9:15wife is Amelia. Bassoon is her last
9:17name, right? Okay. She hasn't changed
9:19her last name as yet. Okay. And she
9:20lives with you over there on Inka.
9:21Correct. I put my my my previous address
9:24which was 2533
9:27Great Birch Drive.
9:31Are you still associated with that
9:32address at all? Yeah. Well, that's my
9:34parents house.
9:36You still get mail there? Yeah, I know.
9:38I had my medical bills. Well, that's why
9:40I'm trying to change everything over now
9:41on Well, I was supposed to go tomorrow
9:43cuz like my medical bills from the
9:45hospital, insurance, I got to change
9:48over. I have to change over um like my
9:51handy all my handicap stuff. So all my
9:53therapy and everything, all my bills
9:54were going there. So I was like that can
9:56get expensive. Oh my god. Yeah. You have
9:58insurance? Yeah, I have insurance. Did
10:00it cover it all? Yeah, for the most
10:01part. It was like I think two 2,000
10:04something out of pocket I'd have to pay.
10:08But I know that I was on my wife
10:11insurance at the time. Thank God.
10:15But for a while you weren't working
10:16because of that. Yeah, I wasn't working
10:18for How long were you not working for?
10:20December to May.
10:23December to May.
10:26But my cousins were nice enough cuz I
10:28used to work for them. They were paying
10:30me, you know, for a little Oh, so they
10:32kept on paying you? Yeah, they paying me
10:33for a little while.
10:37Okay.
10:39So, um, the account that you opened, was
10:41it it was a checking account?
10:45Yeah, I think it was a checking account.
10:49Did you get any checks? Yeah, I think we
10:52got some checks. Did you get a debit
10:54card? Yeah, I had a debit card. Mhm. Um
10:56I think she has her own Chase account. I
11:00don't know if she added me to both. I
11:01think she did. And then her and her dad
11:03have a TD account. I think it is
11:07TD or regions one or the other. Why do
11:10you think that? I have no idea. No, I'm
11:13just saying. I mean, did you Well, okay.
11:14So, all right, let's walk through that a
11:15little bit. So, you you you close the
11:17account. You go to Lake Mary and you
11:18close the account. Yeah. Well, I told
11:19him one I didn't feel comfortable
11:21keeping the money there because they
11:23were trying to pressure me into opening
11:24an account with Julian for school cuz
11:26that money we I think there's should be
11:29from what I understand money in the TD
11:31account with her and her dad to go ahead
11:33and pay for Julian schooling next year.
11:36Mhm. So, and they were like telling me,
11:38you know, you should invest in this and
11:40invest in that. They're trying to get
11:41you invested. It is cold in here. Jeez,
11:44I fell it was so cold I fell asleep in
11:46here.
11:47I woke up and the lights are off and I
11:48was like, "This has to be a Yeah. Yeah.
11:50Yeah. Yeah.
11:53Okay.
11:55And what what month was it that you
11:56closed it?" That was
12:02um Let's see. June, I think. Was it
12:07June? Yeah, maybe. Let me see.
12:11the ending of May or early June, one or
12:13the other.
12:18I don't know what she was doing. They
12:20said I guess her manager was like, "Oh,
12:22that person's not no longer going to be
12:24there or going to be gone for the week
12:26or something like that." So
12:29from what I understand from let me see
12:32from here
12:41I just know that corporate security was
12:43talking to her at the branch and that
12:46was it. I mean I really didn't hear back
12:48anything. I know she always goes from
12:50sometimes they have her going to
12:51different branches and I know it's like
12:53Winter Park. I think there was another
12:55one like
12:57um
12:59like like somewhere around millennia. I
13:01think she went to America back to
13:03Americana again back to Chase at um Pine
13:06Hills.
13:07But then she's restricted too because my
13:09sister works for Chase and my mom works
13:11for Chase. So
13:14now this general guy, does does Ameilia
13:15know any of his other family members or
13:17anything like that? From what I
13:19understand, I think she knows his
13:23um his grandson and I think he know she
13:26knows
13:27um
13:29I don't know if she know I know she
13:31something she was saying how
13:34um the guy was telling her that her son
13:37or his son took a whole bunch of money
13:38from him um back in the day and he
13:42doesn't have like a like a proper living
13:45situation or something like that. Okay.
13:48So, you think she knows Ameilia knows
13:50the grand your grandson? The grandson?
13:52Yeah. Do you know how she knows him? I
13:54think um I think she actually opened an
13:56account for him
13:58from what I understand.
14:12All right. So, I just want to make sure
14:14I understand. So once corporate security
14:17investigator made did uh anything else I
14:19mean did did uh the police ever get
14:21called or anything like that about it?
14:23No the only thing I know about a police
14:24police was um like I said I guess two
14:28people followed two people from their
14:30branch home um and the police came to
14:33their job the other day but that was it.
14:35Okay. Yeah. So she doesn't
14:39I just want to make sure um
14:43there was no uh nothing else came up
14:46recently. Not that I know of.
14:57I know. I think I remember something.
14:59She was saying how
15:02somebody had called her from another
15:04branch. Um, regarding the same the same
15:07old guy. Um, somebody was questioning.
15:10Do you know Gerald? No, I don't know
15:12him. Do you know where he lives? No. You
15:15ever been to his house? No.
15:34That phone number you gave us, is that
15:35the only phone that you use? Yeah. Know
15:37the phone numbers? Do you ever use
15:40Amelia's phone? Maybe once in a while,
15:44if that. When was the last time you used
15:46Amelia's phone? I have no idea.
15:51We don't really I guess use each other's
15:55phones. Okay.
15:58Do you have Facebook? Yeah, I actually
16:01deactivated it because of I was just
16:03like tired of social media. It gets that
16:05way sometimes. When When did you
16:07deactivate it? I have
16:11I know it was set to like seven days or
16:13something like that to come back on and
16:16come back off. I know. I have Facebook
16:18Messenger. You do have Facebook
16:20Messenger? Yeah. What's What's your name
16:21on Facebook? It's same thing. Joshua
16:23Ram.
16:36Do you know Gerald's grandson? No.
16:49Do you know anybody in Charles family?
16:57All I know is that I know Amelia said
16:59she had to drop I think I think his
17:02grandson home one day cuz he took a Uber
17:05to open the account or something like
17:07that. But I was I think I was at work.
17:10Okay. Yeah, you told me that.
17:24Um,
17:27do you work at Chase? Uh, what's the
17:29what's the address of Chase that you
17:30work at? Um, it's 600 International
17:33Parkway, I think.
17:35Either 600. No, 550 is the other Chase.
17:37600. 600 International Airport. What's
17:41your supervisor's name? Um, well, we
17:45just got
17:47assigned our new I guess our team lead.
17:50So, her name is Becky Pitman.
17:53Another one is named
17:57uh Kamisha Tucker. Kamisha. Yeah.
18:04What are your hours of work? 12 to 9.
18:09And then before that it was 10 to 7.
18:12When did it change? Um
18:15let's see this
18:17a week ago. Change a week ago. Mhm.
18:22Okay. So 10 10 at night 7 10 in the
18:24morning to 7:00 at night. Yeah. 10 to 7.
18:27It was that was from May to
18:30June
18:32or July 13th I think.
18:35I don't know the exact I know that it
18:37was been a week since I'm 12 to 12 to 9
18:39now.
18:42What are your days?
18:44Uh right now Friday Saturday when Before
18:47it was
18:49um Saturday, Sunday
18:52and they changed when my my schedule
18:54from 12:00 to 9 change.
18:57It's nice having that week day off.
18:59Yeah, I like having the week day off.
19:00Well, I was I I like the week day off
19:02because I want to go to therapy. Oh,
19:04okay. Yeah. Okay. Okay.
19:08Um
19:13Okay.
19:19Do you um do you own a farm? I did. I
19:23actually bought one
19:25two last last week, Monday,
19:29and that was a big argument between me
19:31and a million.
19:33Okay.
19:35Um, can you tell me about it? Um, I
19:38actually bought it last week, I think
19:40Monday it was. Um, then that whole thing
19:45happened with AOY PD
19:47Tuesday and she started bitching at me.
19:49She's like, you know, why the [ __ ]
19:51You're not a hero. This, that, and the
19:54third. And I was like,
19:56for me, I've always had a gun. I've had
19:59a Smith and Wesson. I had a I haveve
20:02always had a gun. Mh. And then after
20:05this whole situation, of course, Orange
20:07County had the gun. So I was like, you
20:08know, we had a thunderstorm. I think it
20:11was like Sunday
20:13and I was like, we saw a car pull up in
20:15the yard or I did. And I was like, I
20:17don't know who it is. I put the light
20:18on, the car drove away. So I'm like,
20:20okay, fine. And I was like, you know,
20:22things are getting a little crazy where
20:23we live. We need some type of protection
20:25in the house. And then she started
20:26bitching at me and I'm like, oh my god.
20:28She's like, oh, what if that happens to
20:30you? But if you kill yourself again or
20:32injure yourself again, I'm like got into
20:35an argument and I was like, "Fuck it." I
20:37was like, "All right." And then I left
20:39the house. She was all bitching at me,
20:42this, that, and the third. I'm like,
20:43"Okay." Went back with my parents.
20:46And then
20:50got into argument. I know. I ended up at
20:52um Alchemy Hoopal around like 11:30 that
20:56night.
20:59That was on Tuesday. I took a drive to
21:01Daytona and I actually chucked the
21:04[ __ ] gun over the damn bridge. I was
21:08like, "Fuck it." And she was like, "What
21:10the hell did you do?"
21:15Okay. Which bridge in Daytona did you
21:19International?
21:21Was it International Speedway or
21:22Parkway?
21:29Did you pull over? No, I was actually
21:32parked. I walked. I was just trying to
21:34clear my head and I was just had like a
21:36relapse of what happened to my leg and I
21:38was like, "Fuck this." And I just threw
21:39the gun. What time was that at? Probably
21:43like 3:00 in the morning.
21:463 or 4:00 in the morning.
21:55What' you buy? The hut was a a Taurus.
21:59Another Taurus. Where do you get it
22:01from? Um, it's a pawn shop in Winter
22:04Garden. I actually was going to buy my
22:07another gun from there before. One of my
22:09buddies worked there. His name is Doug,
22:11but he was on vacation. Is it like just
22:13past like the four the I think the
22:15express. I think I know. Cash
22:18I think it's called cash stop pond. I
22:21know. I bought my surround sound system
22:23from them before.
22:25But it set you back. H what how much did
22:28it cost you? It was like two 250. Okay.
22:30It wasn't that bad. It wasn't that much
22:31to throw it off. Cash cash? Yeah, it' be
22:34cash for it.
22:38They used to do any paperwork when you
22:39buy that like that. Mhm.
22:43Do Do you have weapons print? Yeah.
22:47And I do. I actually have I think I have
22:49the paperwork at home
22:52for it.
23:02You threw it through it off the
23:04overpass,
23:06right? Am I understand bridge overpass?
23:18Um
23:21okay.
23:23So, you went to Daytona. What time did
23:24you get back from Daytona? Probably like
23:265 5:30 in the morning.
23:32I actually went back to Daytona the
23:34other night. We got into an argument.
23:36You went back the other night. Yeah.
23:38Where do you go in Dayton? Why do you
23:39keep going to Daytona? I I back in the
23:42day when I when I used to have arguments
23:44with my parents and stuff, I just go for
23:45a drive. Long drive sometimes. I mean,
23:47[ __ ] Hell, I know I remember I was
23:49younger I used to drive from 50 from
23:50east all the way west and just for me I
23:54didn't didn't want to be home because I
23:55was like I don't want to argue with her
23:56and have another argument. Julian's
23:58there her parents are there. I'm like
24:00just wanted to save an argument and what
24:03was it? Um
24:07I think it was
24:09t Tuesday. What was today? Thursday.
24:12Today's Thursday. Tuesday. Tuesday I
24:14went back to I went by the um by the by
24:18the they have like arcade pier where um
24:22Joe's Crab Shack is area just for a walk
24:26then I didn't start reporting I came
24:28back home. Were you alone when you went
24:30to Daytona? Yeah. One of my co-workers
24:32is actually going to come with me. His
24:33name is Ricky. Which time? The first
24:35time or the second time? The second
24:37time.
24:41Damn. I wish I had a jacket.
24:44So I I just so make me understand. So
24:46you have the fight with Amelia. Yeah.
24:48About the gun. Yeah. On Tuesday. Okay.
24:51Cuz I was with I was with Orange County
24:53for like
24:55I don't know two hours, three hours. And
24:58then um then the news reporters got my
25:00number and I'm like, "Oh my god." I told
25:02her about that. She like, "Oh, what if
25:05they try to find you? What if these
25:07people?" Because I had somebody come up
25:09to me that day too and be like, "Um, oh,
25:12you got so and so arrested." I said,
25:14"No, you didn't." They're like, "You
25:16sure?" I'm like, "Yeah, I'm sure. I
25:17didn't get anybody arrested." And they
25:20were like, "Um, how?" "Oh, you need to
25:21watch out." I'm like, "Okay." I actually
25:24told um the same cop, Travis, yesterday.
25:28I was like, "You know, somebody said
25:29something to me." He's like, "People are
25:31going to talk." And I was like, "I know
25:32how it is."
25:34So, um,
25:37when you have the fight, uh, were you
25:40supposed to go to work that night? Yeah,
25:42actually called out of work while I was
25:44while I was there with Orange County.
25:54Okay. Um, so walk me through that. So,
25:58you you get to the fight, you said you
26:00went. Where's the first place that you
26:01went after that? after well I was home I
26:04left um I was by my I know I went to my
26:08cousin shop I can't remember if that was
26:10before or after we fought and I went
26:13back my parents house
26:16and I was like all right I came back
26:17home
26:20and I was like what time did you come
26:22back home don't remember so you went
26:24back to your house but she was at work
26:27she was at work so I was like that's
26:28fine Okay.
26:33Then then where? I think that was around
26:35like
26:374:00. Mhm. I left the house again. Mhm.
26:40And then I was just driving around. I
26:43was trying to figure out what to do. My
26:44buddy was in New York, so I was like, I
26:46can't call him. And then um I ended up
26:50where did he go? I can't remember what I
26:52did. And I was just I drove around for a
26:55while. And then um around like 11 11:30
27:01I ended up going to Alchemy Hookah
27:03Lounge. Where's that at? That is on
27:06Kirkman. I don't know if you know where
27:07you know where Colombian Burger is. Mhm.
27:09Yeah. Right there. And that's how Amelia
27:12knew I was there cuz a buddy of mine had
27:14a Snapchat video. And then the last car
27:17was my car. Okay. Who did you see there
27:21that you knew? Um his name was Brandon.
27:24I don't remember his last name.
27:30Got a phone number frame or anything?
27:32Yeah, his phone number is actually in my
27:33phone. In your phone? Yeah. Under
27:35branded? Mhm.
27:38Okay.
27:40So, how long did you How long would you
27:41say you were at the hookah lounge for?
27:44Maybe
27:46maybe an hour, if that.
27:52Did you drink anything?
27:54No, I didn't drink anything. Did you? I
27:56just drank water. That was it.
28:02After you went there, where did you go?
28:04I I jumped on I4 and went to Daytona.
28:15Do you have your phone with you? Yeah.
28:18Is it on? No. Why not? Cuz my wife is
28:22going to call me.
28:25She always like to check by my iPhone.
28:30Okay.
28:32She jumped on because I called I know I
28:33called her cousins around like I think
28:36it was like 11 something to see if they
28:39had spoken to her cuz I called her and
28:41she didn't answer. So I was like okay.
28:43And then I was like I called him. I was
28:45like you know where Ameilia is? She's
28:46like nah. Then I was like okay.
28:50I didn't want to. They knew we were
28:51fighting because I think she went out
28:53with them afterwards
28:55cuz you called your cousin. You called
28:57her cousins looking for Amelia. Yeah,
28:58cuz I didn't hear I I called her phone
29:00actually and she didn't answer and I
29:02know we were all supposed to go out to I
29:04think go play golf or something like
29:07that when that same night. That same
29:10night. And then um I know Amelia went
29:13out with them.
29:15Okay. So you didn't want to talk to her,
29:18but you called her. Yeah, I called her
29:19just to see what she was doing because I
29:21was like, you know, we were still
29:22fighting. I was like, I just wanted
29:24honestly I wanted to go back home, but
29:25she didn't answer and then called my
29:27cousins and then I was like, all right,
29:28maybe she's out doing something. And I
29:31was like, all right, I'll go to alchemy.
29:33And it was right before I went to
29:34alchemy is when I called her. Mhm. Did
29:37you talk to her? No, I didn't get to
29:39talk to her. She didn't. She wanted to
29:40go back home. Yeah. Why didn't you? Cuz
29:43I didn't want to argue again. Things
29:46have been up and down with us lately. I
29:47guess that's where I get a little lost.
29:48You didn't want to argue. Why'd you call
29:49her? I just Usually when we argue, I'll
29:52call her, see how she's doing or see if
29:55everything's okay. So, you don't want to
29:57argue, but you call her. Yeah. Okay. You
29:59wanted to go home
30:02and like I mean, [ __ ] Oops.
30:05Three weeks ago, you turned your phone
30:07off after that. Yeah. My phone was
30:10actually off for the majority of the
30:11day. So, up so up until All right. So,
30:13again, I just want to make sure I
30:14understand because I'm going to be on
30:15the same page with you. Okay. So, you
30:17get into this argument, you leave,
30:18you're pissed off enough that you're,
30:19you know, you don't go home. Yeah. Uh
30:21but you don't go to Daytona right away.
30:23You're you're in town for a little bit.
30:25You drive around for a little bit. You
30:26can't remember where you're at. Yeah. I
30:28mean, I just drove around. Okay. And um
30:31your phone was off then? Yeah. The whole
30:34time. The whole time. So, what time did
30:36you say you left the house? Around like
30:39I think it was like 3 between 3 3:30 4
30:42something like that around there. And we
30:44won't there'll be no activity on your
30:46phone whatsoever. No text messages, no
30:47nothing. No, nothing.
30:51At some point in time, you have to turn
30:52it back on so you can call her. Yeah.
30:55Was that was around 11. Was there any
30:56voicemails or text messages from her
30:58when you turned your phone back on? Um I
31:00texted her. I was like, "Yo." Um and I
31:03think I text her hello. Um hello like
31:06with the question mark. Like you're
31:07trying to talk to her. Yeah. Cuz I know
31:10I called her and she didn't pick up and
31:12I text her yo. I texted her hello and
31:16that's when um I got all the text
31:18messages in from um her cousins. Oh,
31:20what were they saying? Go out somewhere,
31:23go hang out. And I'm like, I don't want
31:25I wanted to resolve an issue with her,
31:27but then when we go out, her cousins
31:29always are like, "Oh, what did you do to
31:31Josh or what?" Did you respond to them?
31:34No. Well, that's when they called them.
31:35I was like, "Hey, you know, did you go
31:37out with or did you get a hold of
31:38Amelia?" And they said, "No, not yet.
31:43Oh, I understand. Yeah.
31:49Then you went to Daytona
31:53and you took this gun
31:56and you threw it off the overpass. Yeah.
32:00Was it all in one piece?
32:02Yeah. All in one piece. What What
32:06caliber is that gun? I think it was a 9
32:08mm. What kind of ammunition did you put
32:11in it? I didn't have any ammunition
32:13inside of it. You didn't have any
32:14ammunition inside of it? No.
32:18Did you buy ammunition for it when you
32:19bought it? No.
32:22Okay.
32:25Well, I just get a little confused. So,
32:27explain to me your reasoning again as to
32:28why you threw this gun off this this
32:29pier. I had a I guess a a relapse of
32:33what happened to me and I was like some
32:35[ __ ] happens again by accident. [ __ ] my
32:38life up again.
32:40But it's not loaded. Yeah, it wasn't
32:42loaded. Okay.
32:45It went into water. Yeah. Okay. So, it
32:48was under in a bridge over water. It
32:49wasn't just Okay.
32:52I think that's the bridge right by right
32:55before you get to the Daytona Beach.
32:56Yeah. You get off I like what is it 75
32:59on International or 80? What is it? 95.
33:0295 by the speedway there and just keep
33:05going. And yeah, I know what you're
33:07talking about. I guess that's why I get
33:08a little concerned. Um,
33:11well, my thing is you guys are kind of
33:12hurting for money, sounds like. I mean,
33:14you're working now, but you're Yeah, I'm
33:15working now, so things are You spent
33:16$250 in cash on this gun. Yeah. It's a
33:19pawn shop. Mhm. Pawn shops are pretty
33:22good. I mean, usually you can go back
33:23and p it was like at that that that very
33:27moment I was like, anything could
33:29[ __ ] happen. And I'm like, but it's
33:31not loaded. It wasn't loaded. Yeah. So,
33:32right then you got a basically a paper
33:35weight. Yeah. So, it's not dangerous to
33:36you at that point in time. Mhm. But I
33:38for mentality wise, I wasn't thinking
33:40like that. I just threw it. And then I I
33:43mean it's [ __ ] I told my sister what
33:45I did. She was like, "Are you dumb?
33:48You're stupid." What sister? Rachel.
33:52Where's she at? She should be at work,
33:54too. Does she live here? Mhm. She lives
33:57at 2533 where she as well. Okay.
34:04When did you tell your gun?
34:08What did I tell her? Two days ago. What
34:12made you tell her two days ago? No, she
34:14was asking, you know, what happened with
34:17me and Amelia? Like, why are we arguing
34:19so much? Then Amelia, I guess she told
34:22my dad like Amelia was concerned about
34:24me. She didn't know what was going on.
34:27And then um I know she talked to my
34:29sister and was like, "Josh and I are
34:31arguing."
34:33And um
34:35I know she told her,
34:38you know, we've just been fighting.
34:39We've just been fighting a lot lately.
34:41Like we're actually supposed to go on a
34:42cruise on Saturday for a week. Mhm. And
34:46I was just like, you know, we're
34:48contemplating that here and back and
34:50forth. And I was like, you know, maybe
34:52that'll help our relationship because
34:54we've been arguing a lot lately. And
34:56mainly because it was just like stuff
34:58around the house, not working for so
35:00long and stuff like that. So,
35:04okay.
35:06Um,
35:08I guess I'm just kind of again I'm
35:10trying to piece everything together and
35:12I keep getting confused.
35:15Um,
35:21have you and again I understand you're
35:23right. You don't know anybody in in
35:26Gerald's family? No. Okay.
35:31Are we going to see any phone records of
35:32you contacting anybody in Gerald's
35:34family? No, not that I know of. Is it?
35:37Well, yeah. Let's see. Is it possible?
35:38Because if it is, it's it's we can talk
35:40about it. I mean, unless Amelia used my
35:42phone, then no. So, if if it was Amelia
35:45used your phone? Yeah. Why would she
35:47have to use your phone to contact them?
35:48I have no idea. Which I know she had my
35:51phone for a little bit on Saturday. I
35:55mean sometime I mean I'll leave my phone
35:57inside the house while I do yard work or
35:59work on my car. She had access to her
36:01phone. Yes. So So I guess I'm trying to
36:04now again is this something where we
36:06want to say that uh do we want to
36:13Josh listen we're here for something
36:16very very serious. Okay. Okay. And you
36:18have to understand something. Okay. Your
36:20answers just aren't making any sense.
36:22All right. We've been doing this for a
36:23little bit. We know
36:26we've been doing this for a while. Okay.
36:27Okay. You seem like a very good guy. Uh
36:30you know the little bit I'm talking to
36:31you, you're respectful and and you know
36:33you're nice and uh you got to understand
36:36sometimes we have more answers than than
36:38than you know. Yeah. Right. We've asked
36:40you questions to see where you're at.
36:42Okay. If there's anything that you think
36:45we need to know, I mean, now's the time
36:47to tell us. Okay. There's probably a
36:48little bit more to this story. The whole
36:50thing, $50,000 is a lot of money. Yeah.
36:52Okay. You know, you have to be wondering
36:54why I'm asking about that. See, that's
36:55the funny thing. You haven't asked me
36:56yet. Like, why am I asking about that,
36:58right? You know, um there's a lot going
37:00on here, okay? And I need to understand
37:03from you where you are at, okay, in in
37:07this whole thing. And and and you you
37:10got to you got to understand that right
37:12now, you being honest with us is the
37:14best thing in the world, okay? We're
37:16your best friends here. Okay. Okay. Uh
37:18you have to be able to explain your
37:19actions and what you did. And if if we
37:21can't understand that, then it looks
37:24really bad. Yeah. Okay, let's walk
37:27through this a little bit. Okay, what
37:29what are we missing?
37:31Nothing that I know of. I mean, told you
37:34guys where I was, what I was doing. I
37:36mean, you could check our phone records,
37:38too. We've been fighting for a long
37:40time. Well, explain this to me. Okay.
37:43How is it that
37:45you wound up at Cynthia's house,
37:48Cynthia's apartment over on Jefferson?
37:50because I have I have eyewitnesses that
37:51put you there that I ended up there.
37:54You're very Listen, let's let's let's
37:56you have kind of a distinct look. You
37:57understand what I'm saying? Uh and and
38:00uh and you have a distinct car. Well,
38:02not a distinct car. I should take that
38:03back. But I think it's I think it's uh
38:06telling that you said it was maroon. All
38:07right. Because that's an eyewitness
38:10describes it as a maroon Nissan Ultima
38:12with a guy that's your height, hair
38:14parted, two earrings, everything. You're
38:16there. Okay. I have no question about
38:18that. All right. So, what we're trying
38:19to understand is why you were there. Why
38:21were you at Cynthia's place? And and
38:22again, I was never at her place. Okay.
38:27All right. And I don't even know where
38:29she, like I said, I don't know anything
38:30about Gerald's family. Nothing. And you
38:33were never at his house either. No. You
38:36understand? We have the notorized
38:37document, right? Mhm. You know, we were
38:38there when you went there with the
38:39notary. We were We have that document.
38:42Yeah. Well, I never physically met him.
38:45Okay. You were in his house.
38:48You understand what I'm saying? Mhm. But
38:50Cynthia, I was never at her house.
38:53Listen to me. You have to understand
38:56something. Okay. I'm sure you're
38:58probably scared right now. All right.
39:00Cuz you're not somebody that gets in
39:01trouble. Yeah. Right. Okay. You have to
39:05understand, like I said, there's two
39:06sides to every story. All right. The
39:10eyewitness has no reason to lie.
39:12Correct. Okay. And there's no there's no
39:16point in that. Okay.
39:19So, you were there. Well, I I need to
39:21know why you were there. You understand
39:22what I'm saying? If it was some innocent
39:24reason, I need to know it. But I need to
39:26know why.
39:28So, why did you go there? Did you go
39:30there to to to tell them to that you
39:32were going to pay him back?
39:37Okay. Can we clear this whole thing out?
39:40What's up? Okay. So, Amelia was freaking
39:46out. Mhm. Long story short, I did chuck
39:48my gun over the ridge. Simple as that.
39:50Okay. Okay. Tell me about that. She sent
39:53somebody. I don't know who she sent to
39:56go either talk to them. I don't know if
39:57it was the same day or same night, but
39:59after that, I went to alchemy and
40:01talked. You know who did she send? Wait
40:03a minute. Hold on. So, you were there?
40:05Was somebody else with you? No, I was by
40:07myself. So, after you left, she sent
40:09somebody else over there. Is that what?
40:11I don't know cuz I know she was saying
40:12before like, oh, what day were you
40:15there?
40:16That was on Tuesday. I went there at
40:193:30 on Tuesday to talk to her. 3:30 in
40:21the afternoon. Mhm. Or 4:00. How long
40:23did you stay for? I mean, maybe
40:28I I honestly don't remember. It was It
40:31was quite a period of time. Yeah. Why
40:32were you there so long? Just to talk to
40:34her, you know, just to see how Did you
40:35go inside? Yeah, I actually sat down and
40:38talked to her. Mhm. And um
40:41Who's her? To to the lady. Cynthia. Was
40:45anybody else in the house? I think the
40:47same pitch Sean. Okay.
40:50And how did the conversation go? Um, and
40:52I told her I found out about it. I
40:55talked to her and then I guess I left
40:59maybe
41:02I don't know right before I went to 11
41:05something right before I went to
41:06alchemy. Mhm.
41:09And and
41:12from what I understand that a little
41:13bit. So, if I'm understanding you right,
41:15you're saying Amelia is the one that
41:17that
41:19talked to somebody to take care of them.
41:22Yeah. And I I don't I have no idea.
41:24Well, I mean, how do you know that?
41:26Well, there was a kid that came to our
41:28house. What's his name? Uh J something.
41:32I don't know his phone. I have I've seen
41:34him once at my house and that was it.
41:36That was for Amelia's birthday party.
41:37Okay. and she told me, "Oh, how she's
41:41going to talk to him to talk to her to
41:42stay away from her." And I was like,
41:45"It's not making sense, you know, like
41:47why do you what's going on or whatever."
41:50And then I went there, talked to the
41:52lady, talked to her son, you know, how
41:56do you find this guy? Who
42:00find who? Person that she talked to. Oh,
42:04how do you find him? I I I can give you
42:07I think I have his phone number.
42:10Okay. It's some guy that it's some I
42:13know his name is
42:16J Persad or something like that.
42:21Okay.
42:24And
42:26well, explain this to me. How does this
42:28Okay. So, I'm trying to understand this.
42:29So, so you
42:32Amelia is so scared about this and
42:34worried about this and and you explain
42:36to me so who kept on calling her and
42:37wouldn't leave her alone. I think it was
42:39the same Cynthia lady. I couldn't I
42:41didn't ask any questions. She said, "Oh,
42:44somebody keeps calling me." Um, she said
42:47one of Gerald's families. I said, "Okay,
42:48that's fine. Maybe it's Gerald's son."
42:51Because Gerald's son stole money from
42:53her. I heard about that. Yeah. I was
42:54like, "Okay, fine." But then I think um
42:59then some kid came up to our house like
43:0211:00 at night and it was like I was
43:05like what's going on? And I know she
43:08gave him some money or something like
43:10that. Then he texted me about money and
43:12I'm like what are you talking
43:14she gave him $10,000 to what? I have no
43:17idea. And from my understanding what do
43:19you think she gave him $10,000 for? To
43:21kill him or something. I don't know. I
43:24have no idea. When did you find out
43:25about this? Before
43:30Yeah, I think it was
43:33Saturday or Sunday.
43:36The Saturday or Sunday before you went
43:37over there on Tuesday? Mhm.
43:41Yeah. Is that the only time you went to
43:42that apartment or had you gone over
43:43there once before that? No, I had passed
43:46by before that. Why? I was actually I go
43:49to HID Pro down the street.
43:55Did you go over there? And
43:58so you drove by once before? Mhm. In
44:00what car? The same car. Which one? Red
44:02or the blue one? The right car.
44:05And when you went over there that night
44:06on that Tuesday night, were you in your
44:08car? Mhm. Okay.
44:11And how did you get there?
44:14Well, how did you get where were you
44:15coming from? Were you coming from your
44:16house? Mhm. So, how did you get from
44:18your house to Cynthia's house? What
44:20route did you take? Um, I took
44:24I take Amelia Street.
44:27Yeah. Amelia Street
44:29over there. Did you Well, that's what
44:32I'm trying to figure out from a from
44:33like a where you are to get to Orlando.
44:35Did you 408 Colonial Silver Star? No, I
44:38was on
44:40What did I use? I used
44:4350. Yeah, I used 50 to Amelia Street
44:46and I took Ameilia Street and I cut
44:48through where HID Pro was.
44:51Well, 50 and a million. Don't cross. No,
44:53no, no. Oh, Tampa Avenue. That's where
44:55Tampa Avenue. 50 to Tampa. Mhm. Then
44:58down. Yeah. Okay.
45:02Okay.
45:04And then when I came back from Daytona
45:06that night, how did when you got to the
45:07apartment, did you knock on the door?
45:10Yeah, I just knocked on the door. Okay.
45:13and they opened it. Yeah. Okay.
45:19All right.
45:22And
45:24I don't know. All right. So you So you
45:28go to hookah and then you go to Daytona,
45:30then you come back home.
45:33Yeah. I'm just Why? I just I guess my
45:36question is why were you there so long
45:37again? I What was What? You're at
45:39Cynthia's house for a very long time. I
45:41was there and I was I was just talking
45:42to her, explaining to her like, you
45:44know, what did she say to you about
45:45that? She was like, you know, it's
45:47upsetting because her brother stole
45:49money from Gerald.
45:52And long story short, how
45:56um that she got she was just like, "Oh,
45:58how Gerald doesn't trust anybody."
46:01And I told her that, you know, um and I
46:04said, "Okay, that's fine." And then um I
46:08mean she was talking to me for a while
46:10about everything like Sean talking to
46:12you too. Yeah. Once in a while he was
46:14just saying how um it was like
46:18how he's trying to find a job and he
46:21used to be a cashier or something like
46:22that from
46:25Okay.
46:26How did you know when you left? Josh
46:30again. I can I'm looking at you. I see
46:33you're you're nervous and I see cold.
46:35Yeah, I know. I'm cold, too. But I can
46:37see, you know, there's some stuff,
46:38right? I don't think you're somebody
46:40that is uh
46:44I I I don't think you you have a
46:49going to say it like a mean bone or
46:50anything like that. You seem like a very
46:52nice soft spoken kind of guy. And I'm
46:53sure that there's probably some stuff
46:55that's eating at you, you know, some
46:56stuff that you want to get off your
46:57chest. I mean, you talked to your sister
46:59a couple days ago. There's some stuff
47:00this Listen, Joshua, this isn't going
47:02away, okay? Um, some of the stuff you
47:05hear said here, you know, it gives us a
47:09lot of pause. All right, remember I told
47:11you that if there's a reason, if there's
47:13a reason why, if you were scared and you
47:15did something that you know was a
47:16mistake and you probably shouldn't have
47:18done, then that's something we need to
47:19know because that explains a lot. All
47:21right. Right now,
47:23you know, I I just if you explain why
47:27that goes so far, you understand what
47:29I'm saying? It goes so far and it helps
47:32people understand where you were. If you
47:34if you were a bad place and bad,
47:38you know, frame of mind that changes the
47:40ball game.
47:43You understand what I'm saying?
47:46So that's why, you know, I mean, we need
47:49to hear from you like,
47:51you know, where you were when you did
47:53this,
47:54okay?
47:57What happened?
48:00I was there at the house. I know. But
48:02listen, we know. Listen.
48:06Got to understand something. Let's get
48:08beyond it. Okay. I don't think there's a
48:10question that Amelia didn't She didn't
48:11call anybody. She didn't pay anybody.
48:13Right. I'll figure that out in 3
48:15seconds. She did. I'm telling you, she
48:18did.
48:21She paid. She said, "Listen to me.
48:24Listen to me.
48:28Not listen to what we just heard here.
48:29Now,
48:50we have to understand it from you. Okay.
48:52I'm telling you right now. We talked to
48:54Amelia. Mhm. All right. So, we know a
48:58lot more than you think we know.
49:01And again,
49:03if if we if we can hear it from you and
49:05we can go and say, "Look, he didn't just
49:09if it's something that got out of hand
49:11versus something that you planned,
49:12that's a whole different ballgame." You
49:13understand what I'm saying? If you plan
49:14this out, that's a bad bad thing. But if
49:16if it got out of hand, if you went back
49:19just to try and call and it got out of
49:21hand, that's a whole different ballgame.
49:22You understand what I mean?
49:25Okay. That changes that changes
49:27everything. But I don't know that until
49:30I hear it from you right now. This this
49:33all I know is what we have.
49:38Like I said, this isn't going to go
49:39away. And and and this is going to be
49:41something that's going to eat at you.
49:43It's going to eat at you until we get it
49:45out.
49:46I'll tell you right now, I don't Let's
49:48not go back. She didn't We're going to
49:51figure it out.
49:52Mhm.
49:54Now's your time to say, "You know what?
49:56This this got out of hand. I'm sorry."
50:02You understand what I'm saying? Remorse
50:04goes a long, long way.
50:09What? You know what happened? Let's work
50:11through this.
50:16I just don't want to get nobody else in
50:18trouble. Okay.
50:21I mean, if you love Amelia, listen, if
50:22you love Ameilia, you're going to put
50:23her under the bus. You don't want to do
50:25that, do you? I'm just scared for
50:26everybody else. I know you're scared. I
50:28know you're scared.
50:30That's the problem right now. My family,
50:33your family,
50:36but at the end of the day, you have to
50:38look and say, you know, you made the
50:39right decision. You did the right thing.
50:43Like you said, you don't want to get
50:43anybody else in trouble. Let's not lump
50:45anybody else in this. Doesn't need to be
50:46lumped into this.
50:52I didn't throw them in away. Okay, tell
50:54me. I left there at
51:00maybe 10 something. Mhm. But before I
51:03left, the same guy that Amelia I guess
51:07Amelia paid him. He messaged me on
51:10Snapchat. Oh, there's $9,000$10,000
51:14more.
51:15And I was like, maybe he's trying to At
51:18first I thought it was maybe he's trying
51:19to sell drugs or something to get the
51:21money back. Simple. And the same guy
51:24came up to my car. Mhm.
51:29He said, "What are you doing?" I said,
51:30"I wanted to talk to her to get the
51:32money back." And he's like, "Oh, Amelia
51:38or Jay sent me here." I'm like, "Sent
51:40you here for what?" And he was like, "He
51:43had a gun to my head." And he said,
51:45"Give me," he said, "I know you have a
51:47gun. Give me your gun and leave." I
51:51left. I went to Alchemy.
51:53Didn't throw the gun over the pier. He
51:56had the gun. I went back to Alchemy. I
52:00drove to Daytona, came back home at like
52:025:30 in the morning,
52:06and that was it.
52:08Josh,
52:10why why do you put a gun in your head
52:11and take your gun? I don't I don't know.
52:13All I know is Amelia paid them $10,000
52:17to put a gun to your gun and take your
52:19gun. I don't I don't know why she paid
52:20them. I don't even know why. Before you
52:23said you thought they paid him to shut
52:24her up is what you told me. Yeah, that's
52:26now you're saying you don't know. That
52:28could have been So why would Okay. So So
52:31why would they have to come to you,
52:32right? Come to I don't know. I guess on
52:34your head and take your figured they
52:36weren't like they figured they I wasn't
52:39going to be there or go talk to her or
52:40something
52:42from what I Josh. Josh. Josh,
52:46you know you're making this hole that
52:48much bigger. You know that. That doesn't
52:49make any sense to anybody. Josh.
52:53All right. It just doesn't.
52:57That that No.
53:00Okay.
53:05How would these people know where to
53:06find you? And then all of a sudden they
53:07found you and took your gun
53:10to do what? To frame you.
53:13I mean, you could call the kid. What was
53:15the kid going to say?
53:18He said he had people to go ahead and
53:20shut her up or something like that.
53:28Doesn't it make more sense?
53:32You know, it's no, it just doesn't make
53:34any sense.
53:37You know who throws a gun over a bridge?
53:39And that's what I really think happened
53:40to this day that you threw the gun over
53:41the bridge. We know you went to Daytona
53:42because we have to rece everything else
53:43that you went to Daytona. We know you
53:44got gas over there. All right. What
53:46makes more sense is Well, I mean, you
53:50threw a gun because you used it. No.
53:53Yes, Josh. Listen to me. Listen again. I
53:58think we're trying to figure out the why
53:59right now. That's about all we're trying
54:01to figure out. Okay? We're not trying to
54:03figure out the who. We're trying to
54:04figure out the why. And I told you, this
54:06is your time. We can't sit here forever,
54:08you know, and and the thing. This is
54:10your time to tell us why. And like I
54:14said, a panic is different than I went
54:16over there and I wanted to do it.
54:19You had every reason to do this.
54:23Okay. Not somebody else. You
54:29okay? When people come in here and tell
54:31us, "I was driving around for a little
54:32while and I can't remember where I went
54:33or I don't you know that we know. I know
54:35exactly what's going on there." Okay.
54:37And for you not to tell us that you went
54:38to that apartment, there's a reason why.
54:40All right. So again, this is not to
54:41figure out who. It's to figure out why.
54:43And this is your time. This is you. This
54:46is you, not us.
54:50Like I said, this is eating at you
54:54and it's going to keep eating at you.
54:55It's never going to stop
55:00until you until you make it stop. You
55:02understand what I'm saying? And the way
55:04you make it stop is we got to get it
55:06out.
55:12Okay.
55:16What happened in that apartment when you
55:17went back? You went back there. When did
55:19you go back?
55:22I went there at 3 between 3:30 and 4.
55:26When you went back the second time
55:28before you went home, what happened that
55:30time? I didn't go back. Okay. I'm
55:32telling you, I didn't go back. Josh,
55:34here's here's the thing, and this is
55:36this is what I would tell you. Um,
55:39you know, despite whatever troubles you
55:42got, I I can tell that that you love
55:44your wife and the prospect of her
55:47getting into trouble or possibly going
55:49to jail for stealing this money was
55:51weighing on you heavily. And you went
55:53over there because of that love, you
55:55know, because you wanted to at least
55:56talk him out of it. Okay. And uh, fact,
56:00we we've talked to Amelia already. And
56:02we asked her, "Who's the most important
56:04person in Josh's life?" And she said, "I
56:06I assume it's me." And I said, "He's not
56:08going to do or say anything that's going
56:09to jeopardize your future, right?" And
56:11she goes, "I wouldn't think so." So when
56:13I asked Amelia who's the most important
56:15person in her life, what do you think
56:16she said?
56:18Yeah. And she's over there and that I'm
56:22not I wasn't [ __ ] I just showed
56:24when I that text message I showed Brian,
56:26she's spilling it because she's looking
56:28at the prospect of never seeing her son
56:31again except for through bars. Um, she
56:34knows we, you know, we have all this
56:37this this stuff where the theft goes and
56:40all these different phone calls and
56:41whatnot. Um, but she's over there saying
56:46that you killed these people. You're
56:48over here saying that she paid somebody
56:50to kill these people. So, my my thing is
56:53is that I I'll tell you right now
56:56straight up. I was there.
56:58My gun was taken from me by some black
57:02guy that said he knows Jay. Amelia gave
57:05him $10,000.
57:07I thought for me I thought the money was
57:10going to go get paid as far as Okay,
57:14this is going to get paid. Maybe they're
57:16buying drugs or something or so the
57:18money presumably this $10,000 would have
57:21come out of the TD account. No, that was
57:23cash she had at home. How did she have
57:25$10,000 cash from what I brought home?
57:28Okay. So, the thing is what I'm trying
57:31to wrap my head around is one of you is
57:33a really awful person. You know, someone
57:36is letting their spouse go to prison for
57:38the rest of their life for something
57:40that they did. Is it you or her? I
57:43didn't I I don't have a bone in me to
57:45kill anybody. Okay. Okay. And the whole
57:47I just went there. You knew enough. You
57:49knew enough, Josh, to lie to us about
57:50the gun. You knew that was the very
57:53first thing. We didn't even solicit
57:54that. You can't. You knew I've got to
57:56lie to these guys about that gun and say
57:58it was empty and I threw it in the
58:00bridge over in Daytona Beach. You knew
58:02that you had to tell that lie. That was
58:03the very first lie you told us. You have
58:06the motivation. Are you going to And
58:08again, are people going to kill people
58:10for $10,000?
58:12I don't know. Let me ask you this. I can
58:15listen
58:17this guy. Yeah. Tell us how we're going
58:19to prove that this happened. Walgreens
58:22on or CVS Metro West
58:27um
58:31CVS Metro West around
58:3410:00 at night
58:36when
58:39that was on
58:41Saturday. Friday or Saturday? The Friday
58:44or Saturday before this happened?
58:47Before you bought the gun? Yeah.
58:50But yet, okay, so I bought the gun from
58:53my protection. No, I got that part with
58:55these guns. So, the Friday or Saturday
58:56before that. So, I'm trying to figure
58:58out how they took the gun from me.
58:59Explain that. Walk me through that.
59:00Okay. I was sitting in my car where in
59:03front of their apartment. What time?
59:06This was 10 something before. Okay. And
59:12they said they were sitting there around
59:14the corner since God knows the same guy.
59:18How did you know that? I don't know.
59:20What do you mean you don't know? What do
59:21you mean how do I know? Well, they said
59:22they were sitting around the corner. How
59:23did you know that? He told me. He was
59:25like, "We've been watching you. We see
59:27you talking to this lady. What's going
59:29on? Um, did you tell her that um Jay,
59:35you spoke to Jay?" And I'm like, "What
59:37are you talking about?" Like, I came to
59:39talk to this lady to try to resolve an
59:40issue. And he put a gun to my head and
59:43he said, "I know you have a gun on me."
59:44I don't know how he knew I had a gun on
59:46me. Mhm. in the first place. He took my
59:49gun and he said, "Leave." I left and I
59:52went to Alchemy.
59:54From Alchemy, I drove to Daytona and I
59:57came back home. So, Friday or Saturday,
1:00:00you give these guys the money? Mhm. And
1:00:02you you went with? Yeah. You went with
1:00:04Amelia. Who did you give the money to?
1:00:07The same Jay Kid. Okay. Have you met him
1:00:09before? Yes. He was at my house. I've
1:00:11met him a couple times here and there um
1:00:14since our relationship. I don't really
1:00:15get along with him. drugs and stuff like
1:00:18that. So, I'm like, "Okay." Was there an
1:00:19agreement for more money after it was
1:00:21done? From what I understand, he said
1:00:24there's $9,000 or something like that.
1:00:27He texted me and I said, "What are you
1:00:28talking about?"
1:00:30Was there a discussion about how this
1:00:32was going to be done? No. Well, from him
1:00:35and Amelia talked in the car and then I
1:00:37went outside and talked to him. I said,
1:00:39"What's going on?" Said, "Oh, Amelia's
1:00:41like my sister. I just want to get, you
1:00:44know, things straight between you and
1:00:45her. Um, long story short, he said he
1:00:50was there to help her because she's
1:00:51known her. He's known her for that long.
1:00:54I said, "Okay." Um, we gave him like I
1:00:59think it was a
1:01:01$1,000 that night.
1:01:04$1,000 at the Walgreens. No, at our
1:01:07house. He came to our house. Okay. And
1:01:11that was like maybe
1:01:14trying to think maybe $1,000.
1:01:17Then we gave him $4,000. It was a total
1:01:20of $10,000. I know that.
1:01:23Why'd you have to give him cards?
1:01:25I don't That's Amelia said, "Hey, he
1:01:28needs this. He needs that." But it
1:01:31wasn't Jay Prasad that put the gun to
1:01:32your head. No. Okay. What did that guy
1:01:35look like?
1:01:37Six probably 6'5.
1:01:39bald black guy. Um all black clothes
1:01:43like African-American. Yeah,
1:01:46he's wearing He didn't have any hair. He
1:01:49had one of those skully caps on.
1:02:00How would we again? How are we going to
1:02:03prove this communication between your
1:02:05wife and Jay Prasad? Did they have text
1:02:08messages on Snapchat? I don't know if
1:02:10you guys can pull Snapchat records
1:02:13cuz he texted me
1:02:15and I said
1:02:17um cuz I thought he was picking
1:02:19something up and he was like yeah man I
1:02:21said um nothing happened or something
1:02:25like that and he was like yeah I'm mad
1:02:26because I had money invested into this
1:02:28too cuz I thinking you know maybe he's
1:02:32going to sell drugs to get this money
1:02:34back. Simple because I know him around
1:02:36the area as coke and marijuana. What do
1:02:39you mean? Wait a minute. What do you
1:02:40mean sell drug to get what money back?
1:02:42Yeah. I don't know what why that he said
1:02:45from what our conversation was, he said
1:02:47Amelia is like a sister to him and he
1:02:49just wants to go ahead and fix things,
1:02:52make things right, and he doesn't want
1:02:53to guess get us involved.
1:02:57And we gave him $10,000.
1:03:00And you can pull up the video. I even I
1:03:04looked at it too. There's a camera on
1:03:06the corner of that CVS where you see
1:03:08both of us parking. The first time we
1:03:10parked closest to the store, gave him
1:03:12money. The second time we parked this
1:03:15way away from the store by the door to
1:03:17give. And this was Friday or Sat. Do you
1:03:19remember which? Friday or Saturday?
1:03:21Around what time of day? At night. Um,
1:03:26I don't remember the time. What was it?
1:03:28A Walgreens or CVS? CVS. Okay. It's
1:03:31Metro West and what? What area? Um,
1:03:34that's got to be Hiwasi and Metro West.
1:03:37Okay. It's where the four horses are.
1:03:40Okay. The little gas station and then a
1:03:43CVS.
1:03:46Um,
1:03:51what what car were you guys in?
1:03:55The first time I think we're in Amelia's
1:03:57car. The second time we're in my car.
1:04:00Okay. So
1:04:02the first time was when?
1:04:05It should have been on either Friday.
1:04:08The second time would have been on
1:04:09Saturday. Okay. So you guys went twice
1:04:11to meet him there? Yeah. Okay. And both
1:04:13times at night? Yes. First time in your
1:04:16Nissan? No. Amelia's car. The second
1:04:18time in my car. And there was the same
1:04:20black guy was sitting in Jay's driver's
1:04:22seat. Okay. Did you know what you were
1:04:24going to do when you went there? Why you
1:04:26were going there? To give him money for
1:04:28what? Wait a Why didn't you just give
1:04:29the $9,000 of Cynthia? Yeah, I guess
1:04:32that would be the qu Somebody look at
1:04:33the situation. Why wouldn't you just go
1:04:34over there and say, "Here, we're going
1:04:36to pay it back. Here's $10,000 good
1:04:38faith." For us, Amelia said it was a
1:04:40good idea to talk to Jay because he can
1:04:42get money like that really quick. I
1:04:44said, "I don't know him. You know him."
1:04:47But again, why would you have to give
1:04:48him $10,000 if you want I guess I'm just
1:04:51kind or take the money out of the TD
1:04:53amount? I mean, if you just knew the jig
1:04:54was up at that point.
1:04:56I like I said, we gave Jay the money.
1:05:00Jay said, from my understanding, Jay was
1:05:02going to get her to shut up or go ahead
1:05:05and either buy something or get
1:05:07something, do some type of drug
1:05:09transaction to make that money back. You
1:05:10know what I if I may, I you know what I
1:05:12see? I see somebody who's trying to
1:05:13explain the disappearance of a gun. And
1:05:15see, the only reason we would explain
1:05:16the disappearance of a gun is because
1:05:17they're used in something. Do you
1:05:18understand what I'm saying? Yeah, I'm
1:05:20telling you. No, listen. Hold on a
1:05:21second. All right. Because
1:05:22realistically, you keep saying that and
1:05:24Josh, you know, you because you're such
1:05:26a good guy, you don't do a good job not
1:05:29telling the truth. You understand what
1:05:30I'm saying? You do a pretty shitty
1:05:32shitty job telling not telling the
1:05:33truth. Okay. So, I you've lost us. Okay.
1:05:37You've lost us in fact to say some guy
1:05:39that you you know and and it it seems
1:05:41like it progresses. It's like, "Oh,
1:05:42okay. Well, yeah. Oh, yeah, we did. Oh,
1:05:44yeah. Yeah, maybe you did. I mean,
1:05:45you're pretty confident about the
1:05:46cameras, but what I get where I where I
1:05:48get lost is you have this 9mm that you
1:05:50just went and bought. You know, first
1:05:52off, you say you throw it over this
1:05:53bridge cuz you it bothered you when it
1:05:56wasn't even armed. It couldn't even hurt
1:05:58you. So, instead of going and selling it
1:05:59back because of money issues and
1:06:01everything else, nope. You just go throw
1:06:02it over the bridge. Nuh-uh. Second thing
1:06:04is, why on earth would this guy need to
1:06:07come up to you? Okay. First of all, it's
1:06:09the same thing. No, listen. You you you
1:06:11pay him money to go make him be quiet,
1:06:13right?
1:06:14That doesn't work, I guess, apparently
1:06:16or something. Doesn't work because you
1:06:19felt the need to go over there by
1:06:20yourself and take take it up with him.
1:06:22You didn't call Jay and say, "Hey, by
1:06:23the way, I paid you $10,000. Why don't
1:06:25you come with me? I'm going to go over
1:06:26there." You didn't do that. No, you
1:06:28didn't. You didn't say, "Hey, bring your
1:06:29boy. Bring your guy, you know, and
1:06:30because you know, whatever." And no, you
1:06:32went over there by yourself, right?
1:06:35Okay. I'm lost. You pay this guy
1:06:37$10,000. And you don't even say, "Hey, I
1:06:39know I'm calling him up." Hold on. I'm I
1:06:41know I'm calling them up and saying,
1:06:42"Hey, by the way, come with me because I
1:06:44paid you all this money. Come with me
1:06:45and let's go make this work. Let's make
1:06:46this right." But you didn't do that.
1:06:48Okay. And and then beyond that, you want
1:06:51to say that they happen to be there at
1:06:53the same time you were now. Okay? They
1:06:55just happened to be there at the same
1:06:56time you were and he happened to know
1:06:57that you had a gun and he happened to
1:06:59put a gun in your head and take your gun
1:07:00away from you. That's what you want
1:07:02people to believe.
1:07:05Does that I mean, just listening to it
1:07:06said by somebody else, does that make a
1:07:07lot of sense to you? Why does he need
1:07:08your gun? Why? I don't know. All I know
1:07:11is he had a gun. I went there at 3
1:07:15between 3 3:30 4:00ish. Talked to her.
1:07:1910 something maybe 11 something. I said
1:07:22I come out. I go and sit in my car. I'm
1:07:25vaping. I have my window down. Um phone
1:07:29turns on. Call Amelia. Didn't pick up.
1:07:33After this situation, I called her
1:07:35cousins. They said they don't they
1:07:37didn't know where she was. I got all
1:07:38that. Let me ask you this question. When
1:07:39was the last time you talked to When
1:07:41Since S since paying him all this money?
1:07:43When have you talked to Jay?
1:07:46Monday. This Monday that just passed.
1:07:49Last week. Not Not this Monday. Last
1:07:51week. What day? Last Monday. Mhm. So,
1:07:54you paid him Friday and Saturday. Then
1:07:56you talked to him on Monday. Mhm.
1:07:58Okay. What was that conversation?
1:08:01Monday. We said, "Oh, um, nothing
1:08:05happened." What happened? You said that
1:08:06to him? Yeah. Okay. Hey, what do you
1:08:09say? And he said, um, how,
1:08:12um, I have money invested in this, too.
1:08:14I'm pissed. What's he pissed about? I
1:08:17don't I don't know cuz I guess he put
1:08:18money in.
1:08:20What kind of money? I have I have no
1:08:23idea.
1:08:26All I know is we gave Jay $10,000. Mhm.
1:08:30From that $10,000, I don't know what he
1:08:32put in or what he did or who he talked
1:08:34to. I know. The second the first time we
1:08:37met Jay at CVS, he was by himself. The
1:08:41second time we met Jay at CVS, there was
1:08:44he wasn't driving. He hopped out of the
1:08:46passenger side of his car. Somebody was
1:08:48also in the driver's seat. Look like an
1:08:51applicant. What was the conversation on
1:08:53Monday? He said he has money in his and
1:08:55he's pissed. What else? That was it. We
1:08:56called um me and Amelia called him. He
1:08:59didn't answer. You could check our
1:09:00phone. He didn't answer. Was there text
1:09:02messages? No, we called. We just It was
1:09:04on Snapchat. You had a conversation on
1:09:06Snapchat and he said he's pissed about
1:09:08this. Mhm. And I said, "I'm I either
1:09:11said I'm Did you ask what is going to
1:09:12happen? What's going to happen from
1:09:14here?" I I All I did was I said, "I'm
1:09:17going to call you or something like
1:09:18that." I called I think I I either video
1:09:22I videoed him a couple times on Snapchat
1:09:24and then Amelia called from her cell
1:09:26phone to him and he didn't answer. I
1:09:28think she called like four or five
1:09:29times.
1:09:32When were they supposed to get you an
1:09:33answer by for the $10,000?
1:09:36They said it was supposed to be Sunday
1:09:38or Monday. Mhm.
1:09:41Did you see news about the murder? No.
1:09:44Didn't see anything? I didn't see I
1:09:46scrolled. I The only thing I really
1:09:48looked up was um
1:09:51the the whole thing that happened with
1:09:53me in Orange County. Okay. As today when
1:09:56you walked in this room, did you know
1:09:57those two people were dead? No. I I saw
1:10:00something, but I didn't I didn't read.
1:10:02So, I didn't know they were dead. What
1:10:04did you see? I just saw I know I saw um
1:10:09two people murdered and then I saw
1:10:10something else and another person got
1:10:13shot on the sidewalk.
1:10:16Um I She's scared. But my thing is like
1:10:20she knows
1:10:22who she talked to as far as those guys.
1:10:27They took my gun that night and I left.
1:10:30I went straight to Alchemy. From
1:10:32Alchemy, I took I4 and I took I4 to
1:10:34Daytona. And again, I think somebody
1:10:36listening to this, Josh, too, would be
1:10:38like, "And you conveniently had your
1:10:39phone off the whole time." The bottom
1:10:41line is that the day after this
1:10:43situation with a Koe and all these
1:10:44things are going on that next Wednesday
1:10:47morning about 6:30 in the morning, where
1:10:49were you? I was home. Okay. Is your
1:10:53phone back on then? No, my phone was on
1:10:55at like 8:00 in the morning, I think.
1:10:56Okay. And I texted the news reporter and
1:10:59I told him that um I'm not comfortable
1:11:02with making any reports or anything like
1:11:04that. What's the first thing you did
1:11:05when you got home at 6:30 in the
1:11:06morning? Or would you say 5:30 in the
1:11:08morning? You said you got home, right?
1:11:09What was the first thing you did? 5:30.
1:11:10You're home at immed 1410. Yeah. Okay.
1:11:13What's the first thing you did? I don't
1:11:15remember. Don't remember.
1:11:18But either one of her parents have seen
1:11:20you there and can tell us that you were
1:11:21there at 6:30 that morning. Yeah.
1:11:25Which one? I think her mom her mom her
1:11:28mom's car was home. Okay. But was she
1:11:30awake? Was she Was she able like if we
1:11:31go talk to her and say, "Hey, this
1:11:33Wednesday morning at 6:30?" Yeah, she
1:11:35was awake. She usually leaves at like
1:11:367:00 in the morning to go to work. Okay.
1:11:38So, she was awake. Mhm. You talked to
1:11:40her and she did she know that you guys
1:11:41had been fighting and you haven't been
1:11:43home that night? She knew we were
1:11:44fighting and you and you talked to her.
1:11:46Yeah, I talked to her. What did you guys
1:11:47talk about? I told her the very next
1:11:49day.
1:11:51Was it she knew we were arguing um that
1:11:54night? Actually, you know, I told her
1:11:56mom that we were arguing.
1:12:00Um, I went out um I came home late. She
1:12:03knew I came home late. Um, and then her
1:12:06mom left the house while I was home. I
1:12:09know that I was home and her mom had
1:12:10left the house in the morning that
1:12:12morning. Why'd you lie to us about the
1:12:14gun? I was scared. Why? Cuz I didn't
1:12:18know what what happened.
1:12:21What happened? I mean, what happened
1:12:22with my gun? I know some that the wrong
1:12:25people got a hold of because as far as
1:12:26you knew because like I said, we didn't
1:12:27even ask that. You brought that up
1:12:28yourself.
1:12:31That doesn't that doesn't make a lot of
1:12:32sense that you would volunteer that
1:12:33information because you knew as soon as
1:12:35you heard the name, you knew where this
1:12:36is going and you knew those people were
1:12:37dead. Are you assuming that your gun was
1:12:40used to kill these people? I'm That's
1:12:42what I'm assuming. Okay. Because they
1:12:44they stole it from you.
1:12:47And are you telling us the truth about
1:12:48where you purchased that gun? Yeah.
1:12:50Yeah. at the pawn shop on in Winter
1:12:54Garden. As of right now, do you know
1:12:56where that gun is? I don't. Okay.
1:13:01So, why would Ameilia tell us you got
1:13:03home at 9:00 in the morning?
1:13:05When? Wednesday morning. She said you
1:13:08got home at 9:00. No, you could check
1:13:09our neighbors cameras. I got home at
1:13:116:30 in the morning.
1:13:14I didn't get home at 9:00 in the
1:13:16morning. both of our our neighbors that
1:13:18live to the left of us and another guy
1:13:20that has a pigeon farm or coupe. They
1:13:22Was it exactly 6:30 or close to 6:30?
1:13:24Close to 6:30?
1:13:26After.
1:13:28I don't I don't think after
1:13:31cuz her mom was still home cuz her mom
1:13:34usually leaves early to go to work.
1:13:38And you from Daytona Beach, you went
1:13:40straight home. Yeah, I took Did you
1:13:43happen to drive by the house again? No.
1:13:45No. From Daytona, I took
1:13:48um what did I take? I took I4. I took
1:13:51Lee Road all the way down to John Young,
1:13:54made a right on 50 and came home. Why
1:13:58would these people Why would these
1:14:00people who you paid $10,000 to? So you
1:14:03you're funding them, paying them $10,000
1:14:06obviously to take care of a problem,
1:14:08right?
1:14:10You needed to You guys were desperate
1:14:12enough. I mean, money's tight enough.
1:14:14you guys are desperate enough to pay
1:14:15somebody, you know, and you're there, so
1:14:17you know, you're you're you're part of
1:14:19the conversation, right? So, you know
1:14:22what what is being said.
1:14:25Why would somebody that you're paying
1:14:27$10,000 to
1:14:29take the time and energy to take your
1:14:31gun away from you to put it at to to
1:14:33possibly use it? I don't. And your
1:14:36name's on that gun. You bought that gun
1:14:37from a pawn shop. Your name's on that
1:14:38gun. So, they're going to take it now.
1:14:41Now, assuming the gun that they have
1:14:43probably isn't registered to them, I
1:14:45would think. Why would they use that gun
1:14:47that they took from you? I don't know. I
1:14:50have no idea.
1:14:53Did Is your relationship with Amelia so
1:14:55bad that she would pick Jay Prasad over
1:14:58you?
1:15:00No, I just know he's No, it wasn't me. I
1:15:04didn't do anything.
1:15:09Well, again, here's the problem, okay?
1:15:12It's a big problem. And I've told you, I
1:15:14mean, we can only do this for so long.
1:15:16Your your your chances of explaining
1:15:20yourself
1:15:21and explaining how, you know, if this
1:15:24was something that got out of hand, this
1:15:25wasn't something that you planned, it
1:15:27wasn't something that you put into
1:15:28effect as far as, you know, I just went
1:15:29there to talk to them. That was it.
1:15:31Okay. And before I left, I was
1:15:33confronted by a guy. I was in my car
1:15:35about to leave. Where where exactly did
1:15:38that happen at? Inside the the right in
1:15:41front of her apartment. Was it like So
1:15:44when both times I went to the Walgreens,
1:15:45were they in Jay's car? Yeah. What kind
1:15:48of car does he have? He has a charcoal
1:15:50gray Infiniti G37. Okay. And is that the
1:15:54car that this guy came out of when they
1:15:56confronted you and took your gun? No, he
1:15:58walked up to me. He said they were
1:16:00watching me since I was there. Okay.
1:16:09If you took a polygraph right now, how
1:16:10would it would it show that you Mhm.
1:16:14told the truth? Yeah. About what? About
1:16:17me going there talking to them, my gun
1:16:19being taken away from me and me going to
1:16:21alchemy and we go Dayton. And if they
1:16:24asked you if you shot those people, what
1:16:26would it show? That I'm telling the
1:16:28truth and I didn't do that. All right,
1:16:29we'll be back in just a minute. Then we
1:16:31got to go talk to her some more then.
1:16:32Time is now approximately 16 hours
1:16:35blanket or something. Yeah, I think I
1:16:36think my one partner tried to find you
1:16:38on. It's cold. All right, buddy. We'll
1:16:40be back. We'll get you. But all I know,
1:16:42like I said, I got there, talked to her.
1:16:46I called Amelia at 11 something. She
1:16:48didn't answer. I talked to her cousins
1:16:50and I said, "Hey, do you know where
1:16:52Amelia is?" "No." I said, "All right,
1:16:54I'm going to go hang out." That's when I
1:16:56was confronted. Justin, just before we
1:16:58leave, this is what I would tell you.
1:17:00Okay. In this situation,
1:17:03um, we
1:17:07when down the line people are trying to
1:17:09figure out the punishment, who gets
1:17:10punished for this? They want to see a
1:17:12couple things. And of course, the
1:17:13truth's one thing, remorse is another.
1:17:15But the things you're telling us, you
1:17:17know, we we have to do our jobs and
1:17:18we're going to check it out. That's
1:17:19fine. If it shows that you were lying,
1:17:21and this goes for Ameilia, too. If this
1:17:23shows that you were lying and that you
1:17:24were trying to bring some innocent
1:17:25person in No, I'm telling you now, you
1:17:27could check the cameras. You could I
1:17:29don't know if the cameras could see.
1:17:30Well, like I said, you may have been
1:17:32there, like I said, but the and that's
1:17:34right that that you very well could have
1:17:35met with Jay and this guy. Okay. But the
1:17:39problem is is that gun thing for you
1:17:41right now. Okay. That one's and the fact
1:17:43that you were this we actually we had a
1:17:45neighbor ID you write that Nissan Ultima
1:17:48describe you to a team because I was
1:17:49there. Yeah. Yeah. That we that's why we
1:17:51knew we knew you were there, you know.
1:17:53We knew that you were there. And then
1:17:54you conveniently don't have your phone
1:17:56on. I mean, those things all add up to a
1:17:58lot of smoke. Where there's smoke,
1:18:00there's fire. And you know, but like I
1:18:02said, we will we're not going to be
1:18:03unfair to you that you've told us, you
1:18:05know, you've told us something. Um
1:19:02All right, there you go.
1:19:05[Music]
1:19:25better. Yeah. Look at that.
1:19:29Yes. Okay.
1:19:33[Music]
1:19:36All right. I I got I got to tell you,
1:19:38Josh, and I I know Detective Ferrer
1:19:40feels I I think both of us are totally
1:19:42baffled after talking with both you and
1:19:44your wife for the whole day, how two
1:19:47people like you end up in a situation
1:19:49like this. It's a shitty situation and I
1:19:52hate to say it, but it and it's
1:19:54compounded by the fact that one of you
1:19:57is trying to send the other one to
1:19:58prison for the rest of their lives
1:19:59because you're telling totally different
1:20:00stories.
1:20:03And that's what I've you could check our
1:20:05phones.
1:20:07She talked to Jay regarding either
1:20:10taking care of two people or taking care
1:20:13of the issue and we paid him
1:20:17specifically him $10. This is Detective
1:20:20Brian Fer of the Atlanta Police
1:20:22Department. Uh Detective Michael Murray,
1:20:23he's also present. We are back uh into
1:20:26room room 4 on July 26, 2018 at
1:20:31approximately 1755 hours. Um we were
1:20:35back talking to Mr. Joshua. How do you
1:20:37say your last name? Ram Sammy. The W
1:20:39Sammy. Okay. All right. Um you remember
1:20:42you've been sworn in and you understand
1:20:44that you know. Yes. Your rights are
1:20:46still in place and everything. Okay. Uh
1:20:48so obviously we want to follow up with
1:20:50you because you know we went back and
1:20:51talked to Amelia.
1:20:54Um,
1:20:56and you know, again, we're just trying
1:20:59to understand,
1:21:01she's saying one thing, you're saying
1:21:02another, and I we think probably the
1:21:03truth somewhere in the middle. You
1:21:05understand what we're saying? Yeah.
1:21:06Truth's somewhere in the middle. Um, you
1:21:08know, the fact of the matter is the
1:21:11investigation is not going to stop.
1:21:13Okay. You understand that, right? Yeah.
1:21:15And and and you understand that, you
1:21:16know, Okay. So, now we know who who Jay
1:21:18is, and we're going to talk to Jay. All
1:21:20right. And and you know
1:21:23what? Let's let's let's put it all on
1:21:25the table for a second here. Okay. What
1:21:26are you and Jay normally dealing with?
1:21:29What have you dealt with in the past?
1:21:31Nothing. Nothing. Nothing. My wife has
1:21:33been his friend since before we got
1:21:36together. Okay. More than six years,
1:21:38seven years ago.
1:21:40You two ever exchange any any drugs? No.
1:21:44Never.
1:21:46Have you ever sold any of your pain
1:21:48medication that you got since you shot
1:21:49yourself in the leg?
1:21:50Oh, I gave it to him. Yeah, I gave it to
1:21:52him. I didn't sell anything to him. I
1:21:55gave it You gave it to Jay? Yeah, I gave
1:21:56it to Jay that night. Why? He came over.
1:21:58He said um he was taking
1:22:01some I don't remember what exactly he
1:22:03was take. I think he was saying um some
1:22:07oxycodin or something for some pain and
1:22:09he ran out of medicine. I said he could
1:22:10have mine because I don't take it no
1:22:12longer. But I didn't sell him anything.
1:22:14When did you stop taking yours? Uh three
1:22:16months ago. I started using CBD. I'm not
1:22:19going to lie. What's that? It's cannabis
1:22:22oil. Oh, yeah. It's It helps with nerve
1:22:24regeneration. When did you um When did
1:22:26you stop taking yours? You said three
1:22:27months ago. Yeah. When did you last
1:22:29refill your prescription for it?
1:22:32Same thing. Two two three months ago.
1:22:35Okay. I had about 50 of them left, if
1:22:38that. And how many did you give him? All
1:22:41of them. Cuz I don't Yeah, I don't use
1:22:42any of them. How did you give them to
1:22:44him? I just gave it to him in a bag. Why
1:22:46in a bag? because I didn't want to give
1:22:48him my prescription bottle. Okay.
1:22:51Was that that was in the CVS parking
1:22:52lot? No, that was at our house. At the
1:22:54house? Yeah. And that's when you gave
1:22:56him how much? It was like $1,000,000.
1:22:59Yeah. Okay. Cuz I have um I was on
1:23:04the pain medicine and I was on
1:23:05gabapentin, but I stopped both.
1:23:08Okay.
1:23:11Um,
1:23:17you know, again, I think what we're
1:23:20seeing is two people that have made some
1:23:22bad decisions. Okay. Now, are you saying
1:23:25that? Are you saying that um Jay was the
1:23:27one who did this? I don't I don't know.
1:23:29You don't know?
1:23:31All I know is the the guy that
1:23:34confronted me that day on that Tuesday
1:23:36night in that apartment complex really
1:23:39resembled the guy that was in his car
1:23:40that night.
1:23:42I thought you said Jay was Jay was with
1:23:44him that night. And when you were in the
1:23:45apartment complex? No, I didn't say
1:23:47that. So Jay wasn't with him. Yeah, that
1:23:49guy was by himself. He said they were
1:23:50watching me, right? Okay.
1:23:53All right. Is it your understanding when
1:23:56you met with Jay over there and these
1:23:58pills and these money was exchanged that
1:24:00it was for him taking care of this
1:24:03situation? Yeah. Okay. So, you knew
1:24:05that. Yeah, I knew that. But you're
1:24:06saying that it was Amelia that was
1:24:08giving him this. But the pills are
1:24:10yours. Yeah, the pills are mine. I told
1:24:12him. He told me, "Hey, he had something
1:24:13happen. He said he was on on medication.
1:24:15He ran out." I said, "I don't use mine.
1:24:17I haven't used mine for x amount of
1:24:19months." So, what what did you when you
1:24:21gave him the pills and that money that
1:24:23night in the parking lot? What did you
1:24:25expect to happen after? I expected he
1:24:27was going to get some type of money back
1:24:28from everything cuz he said, "Okay, you
1:24:30have this pills. I can use some. I can
1:24:32sell some. I can get you money back."
1:24:34And then he said, "Um, with the money
1:24:36that we're giving him, he said he's
1:24:38going to work out something where
1:24:39everything is resolved." I said, "Okay."
1:24:41Okay. And I mean, you could check my
1:24:44phone. So, this was like going to be an
1:24:45investment for you guys to get money to
1:24:46pay it back. It wasn't for him to go
1:24:48kill them. No. From what? From from my
1:24:50understanding, he said he was going to
1:24:51take care of it. I don't know what him
1:24:53and Amelia said before I got in the car
1:24:55cuz Amelia came back in the house, said,
1:24:57"Jay's outside. He needs $1,000." And I
1:25:00told I talked to him, and then I came
1:25:02back inside. I got the medicine, gave it
1:25:04to him. He said specifically, "I don't
1:25:07want to get Amelia in trouble. I don't
1:25:09want you to get in trouble. Amelia's
1:25:11like a sister to me. I've known her for
1:25:14like forever, basically. and how that
1:25:17he's going to go ahead and make
1:25:19everything correct and right for us. And
1:25:22I said, "Okay." I gave him the medicine.
1:25:24I said, "I don't use it anymore." I
1:25:25said, "Whatever you have to do to go
1:25:27ahead and rectify the situation, get it
1:25:29resolved, get the money back, whatever,
1:25:31you do that." And then he spoke to
1:25:33Amelia and we had to give him I think it
1:25:36was either three or $4,000 the next day,
1:25:39which was on Saturday or Friday. And
1:25:41then Saturday, so Thursday he was at our
1:25:43house. Friday we met him and Saturday we
1:25:45met him.
1:25:48So you were expecting money back? Yeah.
1:25:51Not for him to go kill these people.
1:25:52Yeah. I wasn't expecting anybody to get
1:25:54killed.
1:25:55So
1:25:57So you paid Okay. I think I'm starting
1:26:00to understand this. So you gave him
1:26:01those pills to sell for you? Yeah. To
1:26:03get the money? Yeah. Yes. Okay. So how
1:26:05much did he say he was going to get you
1:26:06for selling the pills? I don't He said
1:26:08about 20 $25 each. I gave him about 50.
1:26:11Okay. So let's do the math. It's like
1:26:12$2,000, I think. Okay. So, two grand.
1:26:14So, I said, "All right, we're investing
1:26:16another." We gave him $10,000, too, cuz
1:26:19he told us in total it'd be $10,000 for
1:26:21everything for us. Think about this for
1:26:22everything. Think about this for a
1:26:24second. Yeah. Yeah. I'm sorry to
1:26:25interrupt me. Okay. You by your own
1:26:26admission don't know this Jay Prasad
1:26:28very well. No, I don't. Okay. But my
1:26:30wife The thing is Amelia vowed for when
1:26:32you went giving $9,000 to a guy that you
1:26:36don't know who's now become a drug
1:26:37dealer hoping that he's going to get it
1:26:40back to you. I mean, does if you were
1:26:42us, would you believe that story? You're
1:26:44smarter than that, dude. I know. I
1:26:45understand. You are smarter than that.
1:26:47Like I said, that Thursday or Friday
1:26:49night, he came to our house, I gave him
1:26:5150, it was about 50 um painkillers. He
1:26:55said he was going to sell them. The very
1:26:57next day, we gave him I think the same
1:26:59day we gave him I think it was $1,000.
1:27:01And then in total, the money we gave him
1:27:04was $10,000. And the bottom line is you
1:27:06haven't seen that money or any other
1:27:08other money from Javer, correct? I
1:27:09haven't seen not have any that Saturday
1:27:11night when you met him and you paid him?
1:27:14Yeah, he called he video called me on
1:27:15Sunday I think at 3:00 in the morning or
1:27:18something like that. Okay. And that's
1:27:19the last time you The last time I didn't
1:27:21even I didn't even answer. I was
1:27:22sleeping. Okay. All right. So, you
1:27:24didn't even talk to him? Yeah. Okay. You
1:27:25didn't reach out to him after you found
1:27:27out these people were dead? No. No, I
1:27:30didn't re I didn't reach out to anybody
1:27:31on that Sunday night. the Monday. Um
1:27:34Amelia said um or I I texted him and she
1:27:40said, "Oh, how um something about
1:27:42Cynthia
1:27:44um is is asking questions." And I said,
1:27:46"Okay." And then she tried calling Jay
1:27:50multiple times and you I could give you
1:27:52our login for our Sprint phone bill and
1:27:54you can see that she called him multiple
1:27:56times on Monday. Somebody used her phone
1:27:58to call him. Let's put it that way. No.
1:28:01No.
1:28:02No, she she I was there. I was sitting
1:28:05on the toilet dropping a dump and I was
1:28:08like, "Are you trying to call him?" She
1:28:09said, "I'm calling him from private."
1:28:11Why did she call him from private? I
1:28:13don't know. This was Jay. Yeah. Cuz he
1:28:15wasn't answering any of her replying
1:28:17back to her messages or anything like
1:28:19that. When was this? On Monday. After
1:28:21you guys gave him money? Yeah.
1:28:25You think he kind of took your money and
1:28:26and uh took off? I I have no idea. Well,
1:28:30I mean, that's kind of what it sounds
1:28:31like. I think I have a very clear
1:28:33picture of what happened now. Yeah.
1:28:35Yeah. He scammed you. He scam Listen, I
1:28:38I I'll be honest with you guys. This is
1:28:40what I think happened. I think Yeah, I
1:28:42think you guys were trying to get out of
1:28:43this situation. That's one way you saw
1:28:45to do it. Uh he scammed you out of
1:28:47money. Uh and at that point, you had no
1:28:49choice but to go over there and kill
1:28:50these two people. So, I mean, that's
1:28:53that's exactly applying the fact that
1:28:56I've done this job for this for 27 years
1:28:58and just common sense to it and the
1:29:00whole story about you tossing the gun at
1:29:02Daytona. Uh, all of that, that's all it
1:29:06comes back to, and I think anybody
1:29:07listening to this story will. We're
1:29:09going to check out your story.
1:29:10Obviously, we owe that to you. We owe
1:29:12that to the few people that are dead in
1:29:13their family. Before we do, I always ask
1:29:16people this. Is there anything Okay,
1:29:19we're going to check. We need to check
1:29:21her TD account with her dad, right? Yes.
1:29:23Okay. All right. So, that's one thing
1:29:25that we we can check and verify. Okay.
1:29:27What else? Tell us what else we can
1:29:28check. Um, we just bought I just bought
1:29:30a whole bunch of appliance for the
1:29:31house. Okay. We know you did that. And
1:29:33she's she's admitting that you we know
1:29:35you guys were at the Walgreens. We that
1:29:37that we don't even have to look at the
1:29:38video cuz you both are saying that. We
1:29:40know that. But what else? What else can
1:29:42we of what you're telling us? I all I
1:29:45know is at 11:00 11 something I called
1:29:48Amelia's phone. She didn't answer. Okay,
1:29:51we know that happened. I said, "Okay,
1:29:52that's fine." I said, "All right." I
1:29:54turned my phone off. I'm like, "All
1:29:55right, I'll just keep to myself." What?
1:29:57So, I probably asked you this already,
1:30:00Josh, but when did you hear about this
1:30:01murder about these people being killed?
1:30:03Um, maybe
1:30:06I think Wednesday, not even I didn't
1:30:09even really Probably Thursday. Okay. Did
1:30:12you put it Did you see their pictures or
1:30:14figure out who they were? I Yeah, I saw
1:30:16the pictures and I was like, "Holy
1:30:17shit." And what did you think? I I was
1:30:19like, "What the hell is going on?" Okay.
1:30:21Did you ask your wife about what
1:30:23happened? I didn't ask her anything. Why
1:30:24not? I mean, that to me that would seem
1:30:26like a natural thing for me. Well, I
1:30:28asked her, "Hey, did you talk to
1:30:30Cynthia?" And she didn't answer me. And
1:30:33she said, "Oh, she's supposed to call me
1:30:35on Friday." And that's what she said.
1:30:37And I know she talked to Cynthia on the
1:30:39phone. Did it ever come up that Jay
1:30:41Prasad had gone over there and killed
1:30:43them? Did you ever talk with your wife
1:30:44about Did your wife did you and your
1:30:46wife ever talk about who may have killed
1:30:48these two people? No. I Well, I I told
1:30:50her I remember I said, you know, you
1:30:53talked to Jay. Did he talk back to you?
1:30:56Has Jay talked back to you? And I told
1:30:57her I blocked him on Snapchat. I was
1:30:59like, I don't know what's going on. And
1:31:01I said, I you could check my phone. I
1:31:03have him blocked on Snapchat. I think
1:31:05she still has him as a friend. So, I
1:31:06don't know if they've talked after that
1:31:08or anything like that. I just know for
1:31:10me, I blocked him and I haven't talked
1:31:12back then. Did you ever tell your wife
1:31:14that you killed these two people and if
1:31:16she said anything, she would you would
1:31:18kill her? No. And her whole family? No.
1:31:21No. No. No. Never. Never would have said
1:31:23that. But you and your wife after you
1:31:26found out that it was Cynthia Stack and
1:31:29Sean Stack that were killed that morning
1:31:30in their apartment, never discussed
1:31:33their murder. who might have done it and
1:31:36this might come back to you. Did you
1:31:38ever think that we we talked about that?
1:31:41What was that conversation? What did you
1:31:42guys Okay. What did you guys talk about
1:31:44yesterday? I said we're going on a
1:31:45cruise. This is kind of crazy with all
1:31:47the stuff going on right now. I said I
1:31:50told her I I saw something on the news
1:31:53when I was looking up the situation with
1:31:54the Koi Police Department cuz I wanted
1:31:56to see if my name was out as far as if
1:31:58reporters or anything got my name cuz
1:32:00they had my number. And then she told
1:32:03me, you know, it's crazy um like what
1:32:07happened to them or whatever. And I was
1:32:09like, you know, and I asked her, I was
1:32:10like, did you talk to Jay back? And
1:32:12she's like, no, Jay didn't talk back to
1:32:13me as yet. So I I left it at that. I
1:32:18woke up this morning, dropped Julian to
1:32:19school, came back home, got dressed, I
1:32:22went back by my parents house, and I
1:32:24went to work. But you you're you're a
1:32:26smart guy. Did you when you saw this and
1:32:28heard this, did you think about this?
1:32:30This is going to lead back to us. I
1:32:32mean, all we have to do is file and
1:32:33obviously all we did was file the money.
1:32:35Yeah, I did. I did. Well, and I another
1:32:39question. I know this is a tough one to
1:32:40answer, but did you think like, hey,
1:32:42maybe we should go to the police or
1:32:43maybe I should go to the police? Well,
1:32:46that was my instinct at first, and then
1:32:49she told me, you know, Jay Jay said they
1:32:52were going to get it handled or
1:32:53whatever, and I said, you know, this guy
1:32:56gave you this money. So, from what
1:32:57you're telling me, right? She gave you
1:32:59he gave you this money. We deposited. We
1:33:01use it. Whatever. And then you're
1:33:03telling me the ladies or her her son
1:33:07stole money from or his son stole money
1:33:09from him before. Right. So I I will I
1:33:12will tell you the same thing that we
1:33:13told Amelia Josh that
1:33:17if
1:33:20Have you told us the truth today? Yeah.
1:33:22Okay. You initially lied about the gun.
1:33:25I I and I I'll say that on recording.
1:33:28I'm scared as [ __ ] I lied about the
1:33:30gun. But from when I left the house at 3
1:33:33about 3 3:30 somewhere around there, I
1:33:36got to Cynthia's house, knocked on the
1:33:38door. Sean answered the door and I sat
1:33:41and talked with both of them. Like they
1:33:42were family to me. Okay. And I found out
1:33:45their situation. Like she told me she
1:33:46got arrested before she's trying to do
1:33:48better for Shawn. And Shawn was telling
1:33:51me he's trying to get a job, but he
1:33:53keeps to himself because his father
1:33:54passed away. I mean, we we talked about
1:33:57a lot and I told her, you know, and he
1:33:59even Sean even told me he had some
1:34:01random guy come to the door um before
1:34:04that and I was like, "You guys just
1:34:06watch out, you know, with everything
1:34:08going on." So, you told them about this
1:34:09situation with Jay. I didn't tell him
1:34:11the situation with Jay. I just said, "Be
1:34:13careful." What did he say about this
1:34:14random guy? He said he came to the door
1:34:16knocking on one one night he knocked on
1:34:19the back of the door. They have, I
1:34:20guess, two entrances, back of the door,
1:34:22and then another night they knocked on
1:34:24the front of the door, but he didn't
1:34:25know who it was, so he didn't answer the
1:34:27door. But after I got done talking to
1:34:30them around 11:00,
1:34:32um, I got in my car, sat down, I was
1:34:35vaping in my car, called Amelia, I
1:34:38texted her, I said, "Yo," or something
1:34:39like that. And then I called her
1:34:41cousins. I said, "All right, nobody
1:34:43knows where she is." I'm like, "Okay,
1:34:45I'll go to alchemy." And that's when the
1:34:46guy after that that's when the guy
1:34:48approached me and I should have called
1:34:50the cops there. He approached you in
1:34:52alchemy? No, he approached me in the car
1:34:54before I left to go to alchemy. Okay. So
1:34:56you were at the Jefferson Street. I was
1:34:58at I was at the residence. Yes. And you
1:35:01were in your car. I was sitting in my
1:35:02car and he told he put a gun to your
1:35:04head. Put a gun to my head. I had my gun
1:35:06sitting next to my next to my my my
1:35:09shifter in my car by my cup holder. Let
1:35:11me ask you this. When you went when you
1:35:13went to Alchemy, so that that it's like
1:35:15the apartments are between two roads,
1:35:17right? When you went to Alchemy, did you
1:35:20go like like uh like pull out of their
1:35:23apartment and go to Jefferson or did you
1:35:25go back I'm sorry to Poke or did you go
1:35:27back to Jefferson?
1:35:31I I guess that was Jefferson. Okay.
1:35:33Because theirs is like the
1:35:36uh theirs is like the second to last
1:35:38apartment right there on the bottom
1:35:39floor. Did you go just just one past it
1:35:42and make a right or left or did you go
1:35:44backwards? It was it was back. Let me
1:35:49see. When I left, I made a right out of
1:35:52the apartment complex. Okay. Yeah, you
1:35:53would have gone back to Jefferson then.
1:35:55Yeah. Okay. Is that the way you came in
1:35:57as well?
1:35:59Yeah, I think so. Okay. I believe so.
1:36:03This guy which which way did he approach
1:36:05you from? Okay. So, say if their
1:36:07apartment is here, the last apartment's
1:36:10here, right? There's a dumpster here.
1:36:12Yeah. I was sitting in my car here
1:36:14vaping. He came from this way literally
1:36:17like out of nowhere, blindside cuz there
1:36:18was a white car parked next to me,
1:36:20right? Why did you decide to sit there
1:36:22and vape? I was just I was trying to get
1:36:24a hold of Amelia and I was I was
1:36:26stressed. I was like, you know, and
1:36:28that's when he came up to my car and was
1:36:29like, "Yo, give me a piece." He saw my
1:36:31gun in the in the center console and I
1:36:33could I froze. I couldn't move. I was
1:36:36like, "Listen." I was like, "Don't." He
1:36:38was like, "Oh, um, give me your piece."
1:36:40And he said something else. Did he say
1:36:42something to indicate that he was with
1:36:44Jay or Well, he said, All he said was,
1:36:46"We've been watching you." And it
1:36:48clicked in my head like the only people
1:36:50we ever said anything about to this was
1:36:52Jay and that was it. Okay.
1:36:56Yeah. I mean, so again, just to wrap up
1:36:59my part, I I think Detective Ferrer may
1:37:01have a couple more questions for you,
1:37:03but you've told us the truth. The truth
1:37:05doesn't change as far as this goes. The
1:37:07only thing you can tell us to help
1:37:09verify this is the bank account. Can you
1:37:11think of anything else? Um, let me ask
1:37:14you this. We go talk to Jay. What is he
1:37:16going to say? I I have no idea. Okay.
1:37:18He'll tell you that we gave him the
1:37:19money. And are things that Would you
1:37:21have expected your wife to say that you
1:37:24did this if you didn't do it? Are things
1:37:26that bad? I mean, she said, "I forced
1:37:30her to get married." So, but I mean,
1:37:32would she I mean, she's basically
1:37:33sending you to prison for the rest of
1:37:35your life. I would I mean, I would never
1:37:37expect that from her at all. You don't
1:37:41seem that surprised, though. No, I mean,
1:37:43I am, but it's like to take in
1:37:45everything now. It's like I don't know
1:37:47like if she talked to Jay, if you know,
1:37:50like who else talked to her about
1:37:52anything? Let's Let's kind of I want to
1:37:54go back over that. Okay. So, and then,
1:37:57you know, we'll go back over a couple
1:37:59things. So, so Jay
1:38:01comes into the picture because Cynthia
1:38:04won't stop calling Amelia. Yeah. And I
1:38:06think that was Thursday night. Thursday
1:38:07or Friday night. Okay. One or the other.
1:38:10I know we met with him Thursday. Is it
1:38:12because Cynthia won't stop calling
1:38:13Amelia or is it because you guys are
1:38:14trying to flip these pills for cash
1:38:16quick? What's the more Is it more that
1:38:17you Well, no, no, no. He came to the
1:38:19house first for the pills. No, he came
1:38:21to the house first for cuz Amelia texted
1:38:24him, "Hey, come to the house or
1:38:26something like that." Cuz they were
1:38:27talking outside for about 15 minutes.
1:38:29Mhm. And I was in the house. She came
1:38:31back in the house. She said, "Oh, Jay
1:38:32wants to talk to you." And while we were
1:38:35conversating about, oh, um, him and
1:38:38Amelia talked and he's going to need
1:38:40some money. I said, "Okay, that's fine."
1:38:42Hold on. Hold on. What did he say him
1:38:43and Amelia talked about? He he all he
1:38:45said was that Amelia told me the
1:38:47situation. He said he's known Amelia for
1:38:50a number of years, like a sister, and he
1:38:52wants to go ahead and, you know, not get
1:38:54us involved. He wants to go ahead and do
1:38:56what he has to do to go ahead and make
1:38:57things right. And I told him, "Hey," and
1:38:59I said, "Oh, you know, um he's saying, I
1:39:03know you guys um owe them some money or
1:39:06something like that." And he can
1:39:08basically get some I don't know, flip
1:39:10money or something. And I that's when I
1:39:12told him, hey, you know, he was like,
1:39:14"Oh, um you know, I hurt myself cuz I
1:39:17was telling him my leg and how I stopped
1:39:19using my medication and I started using
1:39:20CBD." And he said, "Yeah, I ran out of
1:39:22medicine." And I told him, "I have in
1:39:24the house I have." And I told him it's
1:39:26probably about 50 pills or so. And I
1:39:28said, "If you need to use them, use
1:39:30them. Whatever you need to do, sell the
1:39:31rest. Simple." And he said, "Okay." I
1:39:33gave it to him. I threw my medicine
1:39:35bottle in the recycle bin cuz I didn't
1:39:37want him to have any of my, you know, my
1:39:39name information, my doctor's
1:39:40information. I gave him the bag with the
1:39:42medicine. And then we I gave him the
1:39:45money, too. Um, how much money? I think
1:39:47it was like $1,000 that night. Now,
1:39:49here's the thing. If I'm if I'm in your
1:39:53situation, I got a lot of money. I mean,
1:39:54a lot of money problems, I guess. You
1:39:55know, you're trying to figure out money.
1:39:56It's not easy just to give somebody
1:39:58$1,000. Okay. So, you gave him $1,000
1:40:00with the understanding of what? That he
1:40:02was going to either buy something to
1:40:04flip and make more money or I don't like
1:40:06like And that's why I gave him the
1:40:08pills, too. So, you So, the only thing
1:40:10that you talked to him about was
1:40:11basically making you money to get back
1:40:13to that. Okay. So, you gave him money to
1:40:16go buy What kind of drugs did you say he
1:40:18was going to buy? Uh, he didn't tell me
1:40:20what he was going to buy, but he was
1:40:21going to flip it. Yeah. He was gonna
1:40:22flip the money and get and how much was
1:40:24he going to take from for doing that? He
1:40:26was he was like, "This is Amelia. This
1:40:27is my sister. I'm going to do her a
1:40:29favor." Okay. So, he's going to sell the
1:40:30pills and flip the flip whatever drugs
1:40:31he bought. Whatever he's buying. So, cuz
1:40:34that's why we had to give him the
1:40:35$10,000. That was the to buy drugs.
1:40:38Yeah. To flip. Yeah. To whatever he was
1:40:40going to do with the money to go ahead
1:40:41and make this work. So, so let's hold on
1:40:44a second. So, now see, we've got a
1:40:46disconnect now. I don't know. Do you see
1:40:47this disconnect? I see it. Okay. So,
1:40:49take care of the problem for you and him
1:40:51was Jay was basically gonna buy drugs
1:40:52and flip them and give you money. So,
1:40:54but I don't know what Amelia and him had
1:40:56a conversation about. Okay. Well, does
1:40:58it does it really matter? Because the
1:40:59understanding was you were going to give
1:41:00him drugs. I mean, give him money so he
1:41:02could buy drugs to give you guys money.
1:41:04Yeah. Okay. So, what's I don't know when
1:41:06Amelia talked to him about stuff.
1:41:07Obviously, you guys came to an
1:41:08agreement. You and him came to an
1:41:10agreement. Yeah. But like I said, that's
1:41:11what Hold on. No. No. Listen to me. All
1:41:13right. Because now you're starting to
1:41:14lose this again. And again, we're going
1:41:15to keep going. I don't know what they
1:41:16talked about. I don't know what they
1:41:17talked about. No, it's very simple. You
1:41:19gave him money, okay, to try and flip
1:41:22drugs and Okay. And the reason why is
1:41:24because she was turning up the heat on
1:41:25you guys. She wasn't letting go.
1:41:27Correct. Okay. And you go over there
1:41:29that night. Okay. Now, this whole thing
1:41:31like, oh, it could be this guy. You
1:41:32know, I don't know. We've been watching
1:41:34you. That could be three guys down the
1:41:35street. Okay. That's very Uhuh. So,
1:41:39where I start getting lost again is
1:41:41you've been intimating that this Jay guy
1:41:44might have something to do with this.
1:41:46Sure. But really, that's not the case
1:41:48because you guys never talked to him
1:41:49about going over there and doing
1:41:50anything. Yes. Amelia I I think Amelia
1:41:53gave him his her address. How's that?
1:41:55She said, "I have the address." Where is
1:41:57she at? I don't know. She said that. You
1:42:00heard her say that. No, that's what he
1:42:01told me. Oh, I have her address. I have
1:42:03the phone number. Okay. How can we We
1:42:05Again, it's like bits and pieces, isn't
1:42:07it? It's like, why do we keep getting
1:42:08bits and pieces? I'm just It's all So,
1:42:10if that's the case, if that's the case,
1:42:12right? Mhm. All right. So, let's let's
1:42:14go this route then cuz I'm lost again.
1:42:15Okay. So the case is you gave him how
1:42:18much altogether did you give him?
1:42:20$10,000. $10,000. Okay. And you gave it
1:42:22to him on a Friday and a Saturday or
1:42:23something like that. Friday and
1:42:24Saturday. Yeah. Okay. And and then so
1:42:26you give him this money either to buy
1:42:27drugs or go take care of the problem. We
1:42:29don't really know because you're
1:42:30assuming that's what Ameilia talked to
1:42:32him about. But you don't know that. Like
1:42:34I said, I don't know. To your knowledge,
1:42:35the only thing that he was going to do
1:42:36is buy drugs to give you guys the money
1:42:38for selling the drugs. That's it. Right.
1:42:40Okay. But in the other in the other
1:42:43world here, your world here of Oh, no.
1:42:45Amelia hate him and maybe maybe he was
1:42:47going to go take care of the problem,
1:42:48right? Correct. Yeah. Okay. Why would
1:42:50you go over there on Wednesday?
1:42:54Tuesday. Why would you go there on
1:42:55Tuesday? To go talk to them to make Why?
1:42:57Cuz to tell her we're going to give the
1:42:59money back. But that defeats the whole
1:43:01purpose of giving him money to take care
1:43:02of the problem. From my understanding,
1:43:05the money I gave him, we gave him was to
1:43:07get the money back. That's why I went
1:43:08there on Wednesday to see her. Okay. So,
1:43:10there really was never any indication
1:43:11that they were going to go over there
1:43:12and take care of the problem.
1:43:14What do you mean? No, for me. No, Jay
1:43:16was going to go ahead and get the money
1:43:18back. That's it. That's it. And he
1:43:20wasn't going to go over there and hurt
1:43:21them. Correct. He wasn't going to go
1:43:22over there and do anything. No. So, but
1:43:24again, so you go over there on
1:43:25Wednesday. So, really, Jay didn't do
1:43:28this. That was on It was Tuesday. Jay
1:43:30didn't do this on Tuesday. Cuz that's
1:43:33kind of the feeling I got when we came
1:43:34in here the last time is that you guys
1:43:35paid Jay and Jay basically came in and
1:43:36did this. Let's agree right now that Jay
1:43:38didn't do this. I don't know. I How do
1:43:40you not know? Cuz I don't know Jay like
1:43:42that. That's the problem. I've seen Jay
1:43:45maybe four times, five times. So you you
1:43:48you
1:43:50give
1:43:51And the only reason I Are you saying
1:43:54that basically I feel like Amelia paid
1:43:56him the money to go kill him. That's how
1:43:57I But you paid him the money. We both
1:44:00did. Yeah, we both did. And I'm sure
1:44:03that you both came to an agreement as to
1:44:04why you were going to pay him the money
1:44:05in the beginning. My understanding was
1:44:07to get some type of monary. So why would
1:44:09she go behind your back and and talk
1:44:11again? I get lost. Why would she go
1:44:12behind your back? You, your husband,
1:44:15her, your wife, why would she go behind
1:44:16your back and tell him to go take care
1:44:19of business? I don't know. She's not
1:44:20that kind of person. Let's be real. Hey,
1:44:22let me explain something to you. You
1:44:23know who's all over that account? You
1:44:25know who's all over that account? You
1:44:26are. You know, okay. You know, you know
1:44:28who's eyeballs deep into this? You are.
1:44:31Okay. So, don't say, you know, this
1:44:32whole thing of, oh, she came home and I
1:44:34just did this. That's [ __ ] Tell you
1:44:36right now, oh, you want to take the
1:44:38polygraph? Good. Let's set it up right
1:44:40now. You going to go take it right now?
1:44:41right now. Okay, that's fine. We'll set
1:44:42it up right now. So, um, but in the
1:44:44meantime, let's go work on that. Let's
1:44:46go set that up. In the meantime, all I
1:44:48know is Amelia came home. No, listen.
1:44:50You keep saying all I know, and I'm
1:44:51telling you, listen. Okay. Cuz
1:44:54you got to understand something here.
1:44:56Okay. Okay. If you care about Julian at
1:45:00all, do you really care about that kid?
1:45:01Yeah, I do. I love him like he's my So,
1:45:03let's talk about the only innocent
1:45:04person in this whole thing
1:45:07amongst you guys, correct? Is Julian.
1:45:09Yes. this little seven-year-old boy that
1:45:12you take to school every day,
1:45:15that you love like your own, you're
1:45:18willing to see his mother go to jail for
1:45:19the rest of her life
1:45:22is what you're telling me.
1:45:26Yes. Cuz one way or another, listen, one
1:45:28way or another, we got to deal with this
1:45:30and somebody's going to be held
1:45:31responsible. And responsible is very
1:45:32different things, okay? But if she gets
1:45:34in trouble because you're basically
1:45:35saying that she she paid this guy Jay to
1:45:37go kill her and the and the grandson.
1:45:40Fine. If that's the way you want to go,
1:45:42then guess what? When she gets in
1:45:43trouble for her, she's going away. Then
1:45:45Julian grows up without a mother. Okay?
1:45:47Now, I don't know about that, but to me,
1:45:49if that's not the case, that's a really
1:45:50shitty thing to do. I understand that.
1:45:52And you'd have to Well, okay. And that's
1:45:53why I'm telling you now, if that's what
1:45:56it has to be, it has to be because for
1:45:58me, all I know is she gave Jay the
1:46:00money. For me, you gave him the money,
1:46:02too. Exactly. And you're right. Don't
1:46:04see see what you're doing. You keep
1:46:05doing that. Stop doing that. You gave
1:46:07him the money. Both of you. Both of us.
1:46:08So, guess what? If if Exactly. So, one
1:46:12way or another, you're in trouble. Okay.
1:46:13So, let's figure that out. And I'll own
1:46:15up to that. But I Oh, you're owning up
1:46:16to the fact that you gave this guy money
1:46:17to go kill these two people. I did not.
1:46:18No. Yes. No, I'm not owning up to that.
1:46:20Well, it doesn't work both ways, Josh.
1:46:23It doesn't work both ways. You can't sit
1:46:24here and say she did it. You can't sit
1:46:26there and say she did it when you're
1:46:27there with her. You're there with her.
1:46:29You're right. You're right. So, don't
1:46:30say she went outside and had a
1:46:31conversation. That's [ __ ] No, it's
1:46:32not. You can No, it's not. Josh, stop.
1:46:35You listen for a second now. You can ask
1:46:36her parents better. Listen to me, Josh.
1:46:38Her parents were I don't want to ask her
1:46:39parents. I'm talking to you. You're a
1:46:40grown man. I understand. All right. You
1:46:42can't say that she's responsible for it.
1:46:44You can't say that. We both are. That's
1:46:46right. So now these two people are dead.
1:46:48You gave somebody money and you're
1:46:49saying these two people are dead because
1:46:50of it. And I don't know if that's the
1:46:52reason why. All I know is Ameilia. You
1:46:55said you don't know that's the reason
1:46:56why. I was sitting I remember this day.
1:46:57I was sitting on the toilet. She said,
1:47:00"I'm going to talk. I'm gonna talk to
1:47:01Jay. Right. And the only thing was then
1:47:03you know what happened? You lost your
1:47:04temper. No. Yes. No, it's not. Yes, it
1:47:07is. You lost your temper and you got
1:47:09scared. Last last question I have for
1:47:11you, Josh. So, you're sitting there in
1:47:13the parking lot. This guy comes up and
1:47:14robs you while you're vaping in your
1:47:16car. Takes your gun. Does he take
1:47:18anything else? Just my gun. Doesn't ask
1:47:20for money or anything else? Nothing.
1:47:21Okay. He said, "We were watching you. We
1:47:23know why you're here." And I said,
1:47:25"Okay, what the fuck?" So then you you
1:47:29drove out right after that happened.
1:47:30Yeah. I drove off straight to alchemy.
1:47:32So he let you get the gun out of the He
1:47:33let you get the gun out of the console.
1:47:35It was sitting He had a gun to my head.
1:47:36He said, "Give me the piece." Okay. I
1:47:38was on I was vaping in this hand and I
1:47:41had my hand on the steering wheel. So
1:47:43either or my hand down here, something
1:47:45like that. And I was vaping and I all I
1:47:47felt was something pressed against my
1:47:49head and he said, "Give me your piece.
1:47:50We've been watching you. We know why
1:47:52you're here." And I said, "Okay." I put
1:47:54my vape down, grabbed my gun and I gave
1:47:56it to him. So 10. This is like what kind
1:47:59of night? 11 something. 11 something.
1:48:01Yeah. Maybe 10:30 11. Okay. What route
1:48:04did you take to go to alchemy? Um I took
1:48:08from there I took a million or what is
1:48:11it? Tampa back to 50 and I took 50 to
1:48:13Kirkland. 50 all the way to Kirkland.
1:48:15Okay. Um obviously you're at Alchemy.
1:48:18You know people see you. Your car is on
1:48:20Snapchat. Yes, my car is on Snapchat.
1:48:22And you stayed there till what time?
1:48:26Maybe
1:48:29one 2 o'clock in the morning. Okay.
1:48:32Phone's off, right? Uh drive back. I
1:48:36drove and I did go to Daytona last
1:48:37night. Drove drove to Daytona. Uh took
1:48:40I4 all the way there. I4. Did you go
1:48:43Kirkman to I4 and then I4 the whole way?
1:48:45Yeah, I believe so. And then when I came
1:48:47back, I got off on Lee Road and took
1:48:49Leita John Young back to 50. Okay. To to
1:48:53our house. to your house and arrived
1:48:57600 6:30 back to the house between
1:48:59between 5:30 and 6:30. I know her mom's
1:49:01car was home by then. Well, I got I got
1:49:03another question. These things keep
1:49:04popping up. So, your contention is you
1:49:07left that apartment that you left your
1:49:08house that night because you and Ameilia
1:49:10had a fight, correct? And that's why
1:49:12your phone was off. What made you decide
1:49:14to go over to Cynthia's apartment at
1:49:17that time?
1:49:19the frustration with the fight we had
1:49:21and the frustration with the whole thing
1:49:24she was telling me about the money.
1:49:26Well, explain that to me. Help me
1:49:27understand. So, again, I went over
1:49:30there. Um, we were arguing and I was
1:49:34like, you know, we're in this problem
1:49:36with money now. Okay. See, there's where
1:49:37I get lost again. Remember, you said you
1:49:39didn't know what she talked to about,
1:49:40but she just said to you, So, so again,
1:49:41so you know then that she didn't talk to
1:49:43about doing anything else. You're
1:49:45nodding your head. Yes. I don't know.
1:49:48Who knew? You just said it. You just
1:49:49said, "No, that's not what you said. You
1:49:52just said we paid Jay to get our money
1:49:53back."
1:49:55And if she did say handle the situation,
1:49:56that means you know what she talked to
1:49:58him about. So one way or another, we're
1:49:59lost.
1:50:02Keep Josh, it's just going to keep
1:50:03compounding, Josh.
1:50:05Compounding and compounding and it's not
1:50:07going away.
1:50:12And I've told you from the beginning, if
1:50:13this is something that happened that got
1:50:15out of control, then we can understand
1:50:17it and we can that works. You're you got
1:50:19your back up against the wall. You're
1:50:22probably scared shitless because she's
1:50:23going to go to the cops. If I tell you
1:50:26the truth, will you get in trouble? Huh?
1:50:28If I tell you the truth, we'll
1:50:29immediately get in trouble. No. If you
1:50:31tell us the truth, no. I don't want
1:50:32anything to happen to her or Julian.
1:50:34Okay. We need this. We need She needs
1:50:36this. Julian needs this.
1:50:39What happened that Thursday night? She
1:50:42told me she's going to call Jake. Uhhuh.
1:50:44And have him take care of it? And I
1:50:47said, "What do you mean have him take
1:50:48care of it? What's going on?" She said,
1:50:50"No, they're going to take care of her."
1:50:52I said, "All right."
1:50:55And I'm guilty for that. I paid Jake to
1:50:58go ahead and either I don't know what he
1:51:01meant by take care of him, but obviously
1:51:02these two people are dead.
1:51:06Well, now I'm trying to figure out what
1:51:08to believe because now you're saying she
1:51:09didn't she's not involved. She is
1:51:11involved. How she is involved? Because
1:51:12she hit she hit Jay up that night and
1:51:14said, "I know Jay can go ahead and
1:51:16handle the situation." Mhm. I just don't
1:51:19want to get her. I don't want her to get
1:51:20in trouble for this. I'll take the I'll
1:51:23whatever it is you have to give to her,
1:51:25I'll take it.
1:51:27I'll take it. Josh,
1:51:30what you just said is really no
1:51:32different from what you've been telling
1:51:33us all day. I mean, that's that's that's
1:51:34not some new revelation that that you're
1:51:36you're claiming that she paid Jay Prasad
1:51:39to take care of this woman or I guess
1:51:41you added it a little bit more clearly
1:51:43that that's what the intent of it was.
1:51:45But and you can check her phone records.
1:51:47No, Josh, listen to me. Listen, if
1:51:50you're going to stand up, we need to
1:51:51stand up. Okay. The fact of the matter
1:51:53is your phone being on Let's Stack this
1:51:56all up. Okay? Your gun's gone. Uh we
1:51:59don't know who took it. It just happens
1:52:01to be gone. the brand new gun that you
1:52:02bought and and you sat here for what, 15
1:52:04minutes telling us why you threw it over
1:52:06a bridge. All right. Every time I keep
1:52:08pointing out something to you that just
1:52:09doesn't make sense, it keeps, you know,
1:52:11you you keep flipping it. You keep
1:52:12changing it. Okay. That doesn't look
1:52:14good. All right. And then I'll tell you
1:52:16now, Jay hit me up. Uhhuh. And said, "We
1:52:20need $9,000 more." Uhhuh. And I told
1:52:23him, "We only have for drugs." 5,000
1:52:269,000 more for drugs.
1:52:28No.
1:52:32Well, why did you give him the drugs in
1:52:33the first place?
1:52:35He was going to fill that he needed he
1:52:37needed him. He said for his whatever his
1:52:40pain or something happened to his life
1:52:41or something.
1:52:49Who killed these people?
1:52:52It had to have been Jay's people.
1:52:54Is Jay that big of a guy? Does he have
1:52:56that kind of people? He said he knows
1:52:58people. What did he say? Let's talk
1:53:01about the conversation you have with him
1:53:02about what he was going to do
1:53:06that night. Amelia came back in the
1:53:08house and said, "Jay wants to talk to
1:53:11you." She said, "Jay said Jay has people
1:53:14to go ahead and take care of the
1:53:15situation. They wanted $25,000."
1:53:20She told him we didn't have $25,000.
1:53:23So, we paid them $1,000. He said he
1:53:27needs some material or something. And
1:53:30from that, the next day he said, "I need
1:53:33more." We paid him, I think it was
1:53:36supposed to be 4,000, but we forgot. We
1:53:38took out the,000 from a $3,000 band. So
1:53:41that was 4,000. Then the next day we
1:53:43gave him 6,000 with the understanding he
1:53:46was going to do,000. Kill these people.
1:53:48Kill them. Correct. Okay. And where was
1:53:50he supposed to kill them?
1:53:52At their house. When? They didn't give
1:53:55me He didn't give me a day.
1:53:59Okay. Is this a direct conversation you
1:54:02had with Jay or is this is what she's
1:54:04telling you that Jay had? This is a
1:54:05direct conversation we both had with
1:54:07him. Okay. You were both And where was
1:54:08that conversation? On Snapchat. Okay.
1:54:11All right. So, you and her are having
1:54:13this conversation over Snapchat with him
1:54:16about killing somebody. She said to take
1:54:18care of it on Snapchat.
1:54:21Correct. Who's Snapchat? Uh, who's
1:54:24talking? I talked to him twice
1:54:27about Oh. Um,
1:54:31he said that
1:54:34they're going to need $9,000 more and I
1:54:38told him I already gave him six or
1:54:40something like that.
1:54:43And that um What's your what's your
1:54:45account name? Um,
1:54:48it should be
1:54:51Drummer Kid, I think. D R U M M E R K I
1:54:55D D D D D D D D D D D D D D D D D D D D
1:54:55D D D D D D D D D D D D D D D D D D D D
1:54:55D drummer, kid. Yeah. And one N one one
1:55:01one N90. So the year you were born. Mhm.
1:55:04Okay. And then I don't know his Snapchat
1:55:06name because my wife added him on my
1:55:08Snapchat. What is Emily's?
1:55:10I'm sorry. Amelia. Um
1:55:13Millie X3 or something like that. M I M
1:55:17I L L I E X3 or X3 Millie. I don't
1:55:21remember because my phone saves it as
1:55:23contacts. Okay. I think Jay's phone
1:55:25number in my phone is AB or something
1:55:27like that in my phone. Okay. So, so
1:55:31Okay. So, you have this conversation.
1:55:33Exactly. What day was that again? That
1:55:35was Thursday, Friday, Saturday. Okay.
1:55:39You have that conversation. Okay. So,
1:55:42what happens on Sunday?
1:55:46Nothing. What happens on Monday? No.
1:55:49Tuesday? nothing. Didn't hear back.
1:55:51Well, Monday, Monday, um that's when the
1:55:55lady called her again and she was like
1:56:00um nothing happened. And I said, "Okay."
1:56:04She said, "Do you need to come home
1:56:05now?" I left work. I came home and she
1:56:09said, "Um
1:56:11I tried getting in contact with Jay. He
1:56:14didn't answer." And then I talked to him
1:56:16and I was like, "Nothing happened." and
1:56:18he said, "Yeah, they took the money. I
1:56:21feel bad because my money I feel like
1:56:24[ __ ] because my money is involved with
1:56:25it, too." Um, and then after that, he
1:56:29said it'll it'll get handled or
1:56:31something like that. And I left it
1:56:33alone.
1:56:34Why do you set this motion this thing in
1:56:37motion with all you know we get to the
1:56:39point okay you've you've now paid
1:56:42somebody a fairly substantial amount of
1:56:43money to kill somebody or to take care
1:56:46of somebody and then on Wednesday you go
1:56:49expose yourself to these people and and
1:56:54like I said we I have no doubt you
1:56:55understand what you're saying yeah you
1:56:57go over there and you're like making
1:56:58yourself known everybody people see you
1:57:00they obviously identified you spent a
1:57:02great deal of time And you know what,
1:57:04Josh? I have no doubt. Neither the one
1:57:06thing that we could tell for sure is
1:57:08that when you went over there that
1:57:09afternoon, it wasn't to kill him because
1:57:11you were there for too long. It's in the
1:57:13middle of the day. People are going to
1:57:14see you. Yeah. And that's and so if
1:57:16you've already set in motion this plan
1:57:18to have this thing taken care of, why
1:57:21would you go over there and do that?
1:57:22That that does not that defies common
1:57:24sense. And you're not you know what? If
1:57:26nothing, you and and and your wife,
1:57:29you're not idiots. you did a pretty good
1:57:31job of covering your track, but that
1:57:33that just defies did he did he take your
1:57:36money and run with it? Is that is that
1:57:38what you thought at that point because
1:57:39nothing had happened? I I don't know.
1:57:40All I know is that she said um that she
1:57:44tried to get in contact with him. And I
1:57:46know that same Wednesday or Tuesday that
1:57:49I was there, she said she's going to
1:57:51talk to her friend Melissa because
1:57:53Melissa talks to Jay, too. And that
1:57:55Melissa, she was going to be with
1:57:57Melissa when if Jay talks back to her.
1:57:59And that's the last I heard of that.
1:58:01Okay. And just so before we wrap up,
1:58:04what's with the cash and the pills and
1:58:07everything else that you I gave him the
1:58:09cash. Okay. So, how much cash was it
1:58:10again? $10,000. All together. All
1:58:13together. How many pills? $1,000 on
1:58:15Friday. Okay. Or either Thursday or
1:58:18Friday. A,000. Oh, no. That had to been
1:58:21Friday. So, $1,000 on Friday when I came
1:58:23home. Um $3,000 on Saturday. Okay. And
1:58:28then I think that was that had to have
1:58:30been Why not all of it at once either?
1:58:32He didn't want it all of it at once. He
1:58:34didn't. Why not? Well, what me and
1:58:36Ameilia discussed, we weren't going to
1:58:37give him all the money at once. Okay.
1:58:41It's a good contractor. All right. So,
1:58:43all together, so it's $10,000 cash. How
1:58:46many How many pills do you think you
1:58:47gave him? Maybe 50. Okay. So, maybe
1:58:51close to 12. What was what do we decide?
1:58:54How much? 11 12,000. So, okay. about
1:58:56let's say 12 $13,000 together with the
1:58:5910 or whatever he gave. So somebody is
1:59:01somebody is going to commit someone
1:59:03else's double murder for 12 $13,000. He
1:59:06said the guys that he knows just need
1:59:08money. That's all he said. All right. I
1:59:10just I just I wanted to make sure on
1:59:11that. So you had that in depth of a
1:59:13conversation.
1:59:16And your wife was present for that? My
1:59:18wife was in So why why would you say
1:59:20this before? I didn't want her so she
1:59:21won't get in trouble if I tell you this.
1:59:23Why did you say that? I don't want her
1:59:25to get in trouble for this. Well, then
1:59:26tell us the truth. How about that? That
1:59:27is the truth. Oh, if you don't want her
1:59:30to get in trouble. Okay, let's If you
1:59:31don't want her to get in trouble, then
1:59:33you need to you need to tell us the
1:59:34truth. I'm telling you. No, you're not.
1:59:36Everything we've talked about, how could
1:59:38Well, why now? All of a sudden, you
1:59:40know, the gun going off the bridge, all
1:59:42these different things have not been the
1:59:43truth. Now, all of a sudden, you are
1:59:44telling the truth. Why is that? I just
1:59:46want to make things right. No, I don't
1:59:48think you do,
1:59:51Josh. I think he shot and killed these
1:59:53people. I mean that I mean and and if
1:59:55that's what happened and you're lying to
1:59:57us, you absolutely are getting your wife
1:59:59Millie. I know if that's you call it
2:00:01that that's what happened then you
2:00:03absolutely are or throwing her under the
2:00:04bus. She could have set in motion
2:00:06something and she didn't know what you
2:00:07were going to do. And that's what she's
2:00:08claiming. She's claiming that she didn't
2:00:10know that you were going to do that. Uh
2:00:12and so but yeah, if you don't want I
2:00:16would tell you this. If your objective
2:00:17is to not get her in trouble and what
2:00:20both of us truly believe happened that
2:00:22you went over there and killed both
2:00:24those people, then you need to tell us
2:00:26the truth about that. No, I didn't.
2:00:29Okay. Yeah. But you conspired to have
2:00:31them killed. Correct. We both
2:00:34You're fully admitting to that right
2:00:35now. Totally admitting that we paid
2:00:37somebody to kill both of them. What do
2:00:39you think that makes less difference
2:00:40than if you came in if you told us
2:00:41admitted to killing them?
2:00:44What do you mean? Well, I mean, you're
2:00:46basically committing you're I'm an
2:00:48accessory to a murder. Oh, no. No, it's
2:00:50a little bit more than accessory. I got
2:00:51news for you. So, so you basically just
2:00:53admitted to committing a murder. So,
2:00:55what difference does it make at this
2:00:56point in time if you go ahead and tell
2:00:57us the truth? Do you understand what I'm
2:00:58saying? That is the truth. Well, no, no.
2:01:00Again, I mean, no, it just doesn't make
2:01:03any sense. I mean, I think Josh is
2:01:04telling us that that's his what he's
2:01:06telling us is you've said that and it's
2:01:08and if we believe otherwise, which is
2:01:10what we do, Josh, we have to prove it.
2:01:12And you have to understand that this
2:01:14investigation is far from over. Uh and
2:01:19you know I think in the end
2:01:21this is not going to end well for for
2:01:23either of you. You know um so but I
2:01:28think we can sit here and go back and
2:01:29forth. Just understand listen just
2:01:31understand again to sum it up just for
2:01:33me I just want to sum this up. Just
2:01:35understand that night, you know, Tuesday
2:01:36night, you know, Tuesday afternoon,
2:01:37you're home with her and she's getting
2:01:39the text messages, the phone calls from
2:01:40Cindy, you know, and it's more problems.
2:01:42You guys are having arguments. Yeah. And
2:01:44you guys are having arguments about this
2:01:45again because, you know, get both of you
2:01:47are into this, you know, and you're
2:01:48scared and you don't want to get in
2:01:49trouble and she's not letting up, you
2:01:50know, and so the next thing you know,
2:01:52Tuesday, you know, at first you said to
2:01:53us, you said, "Ah, I got mad. I left. I
2:01:55went, I drove around for a little bit. I
2:01:57turned my phone off cuz I don't want to
2:01:58deal with her, but yet I called her
2:01:5911:00 at night." Okay, so that's what
2:02:01we're going to go with. You turn I
2:02:02called her 11 o'clock at night.
2:02:04I don't know why. Uh, and you said you
2:02:05wanted to go home, but then you drove to
2:02:08all the way out to Daytona. You threw
2:02:09your gun off the bridge and then you
2:02:10came back. First version. Okay. Second
2:02:12version is you
2:02:15were mad. We know you guys were arguing
2:02:16about the gun and we know you guys were
2:02:18arguing about Cindy. We know, right?
2:02:20You're not in your head yet. Okay. So,
2:02:21you're arguing about Cindy. And, you
2:02:23know, at some point in time, it just
2:02:26there's so many disconnects here. It's
2:02:27like, well, okay, we paid this guy Jay
2:02:29to get us to get us to sell drugs for us
2:02:31to get us more money to give to her, or
2:02:33we paid this guy Jay to go take care of
2:02:35it. One of the two, we just don't know.
2:02:36However, either way, it doesn't make a
2:02:37lot of sense for you to go over there
2:02:38that day. You understand what I'm
2:02:40saying? But at first, it was like, I
2:02:41don't know where I went. I just drove
2:02:42around. But now, we know after we
2:02:44confronted you with with what we knew,
2:02:46you know, oh yeah, I was there. Okay.
2:02:48So, that's awful convenient, isn't it?
2:02:49You know, and it's awful convenient that
2:02:51your phone is off when it seems that you
2:02:52really aren't having that much of a
2:02:53problem with Amelia, you know. Um, you
2:02:55you you wanted to talk to her. You tried
2:02:57to talk to her that night. I I think you
2:02:58even sat here and said, "I tried to call
2:03:00her to tell her what was going on." I
2:03:02think is what you said when you got back
2:03:03in the car and you were vaping. So, you
2:03:05know, you're nodding your head. Yeah.
2:03:07So, that's again, that's not somebody
2:03:08who's having a problem with somebody who
2:03:09doesn't want to talk. You know what that
2:03:10means? That somebody turns their phone
2:03:11off because they don't want people to
2:03:12know where they're at. Okay. You know,
2:03:14listen, I could watch TV, too, and know
2:03:15if I turn my phone off, they don't know
2:03:16where I am. So, that's very easy to
2:03:18explain. Okay. So, your phone is off.
2:03:20You have to. No. So, your phone is off
2:03:21and then you go and you Yeah. You went
2:03:23over that alchemy lounge and you
2:03:24probably got pissed off thinking about
2:03:25it even more and then you know what some
2:03:27point in time guess what you go back
2:03:29over there and and you know what you
2:03:32shake your head no what you want but
2:03:33again it doesn't make sense why you so
2:03:35this is what I'm trying to explain to
2:03:36you need to sit and think about this
2:03:38okay you need to think about and this is
2:03:39what people are going to hear and people
2:03:40are going to go uh-uh he's not telling
2:03:42the truth all right the fact of the
2:03:43matter is this Jay guy just didn't come
2:03:44out of nowhere he came out of somebody
2:03:46that was going to try and sell pills for
2:03:48you and and get you money um and I think
2:03:50that what that shows is I think what
2:03:52that shows is um that I believe I I
2:03:54think I'm pretty sure you believe that
2:03:55too. He took your money and he he he
2:03:57probably took your money. He took your
2:03:58money to with the guys he was going to
2:04:00buy drugs for you to sell the drugs for
2:04:01you and give you the money. He was going
2:04:03to take it to that was a lie. Okay. But
2:04:05but again, we paid him to get rid of
2:04:09these two people, right? And that's
2:04:10where I come back to. We're right back
2:04:11to square one. Okay. If you paid them to
2:04:14do this, how do you think that makes you
2:04:17how does it how do you think that makes
2:04:18your hands any less dirty? It it did. I
2:04:20am dirty. I understand that. You are you
2:04:22are just as guilty as they are. Correct.
2:04:24Okay. So, how did you find out from Jay
2:04:26that they actually did what you asked
2:04:27them to do? I didn't. So, they did this
2:04:29and they didn't they didn't tell you.
2:04:31Did your wife have any conversations
2:04:33with Jay after this? I I have no idea. I
2:04:36asked her, "Hey, did you talk to Jay?"
2:04:38She said, "Um, no, I haven't heard from
2:04:40him." So, I don't know if she did or if
2:04:42she didn't.
2:04:44Okay. So, I know for a fact that um What
2:04:48did you tell your brother about the gun?
2:04:49I mean, your sister about the gun for
2:04:50real. I told her I threw it away. Again,
2:04:53how did that conversation come up?
2:04:56What do you mean? Well, I mean, I talk
2:04:58to my sisters all the time. It's not the
2:05:00the first thing I don't say is, "Hey,
2:05:01how you doing? I threw my gun away."
2:05:03Okay. My sister was there. My sister
2:05:06talked to Amelia. Mhm. And I guess
2:05:10Amelia told her that
2:05:12um I was going over to go talk to those
2:05:16people. Mhm.
2:05:18And then after I didn't answer my phone
2:05:21is when Amelia
2:05:23was, I guess, going crazy. Amelia passed
2:05:27by
2:05:29the their their apartment at 11
2:05:33something, but I was already gone.
2:05:37You drove by the apartment. Amelia did.
2:05:39How do you know? She told me that. When?
2:05:42That night. At what time? 11 something.
2:05:45No, no, no. When what time at night did
2:05:47she tell you that she drove past the
2:05:48apartment? 11 something when you talked
2:05:50to her on the phone? No, I didn't talk
2:05:52to her on the phone the next day. Okay.
2:05:54All right. Keep going. And my sister was
2:05:56like, "Oh, how um Amelia talked to her.
2:05:59My my sister even told my dad um uh I'm
2:06:02worried about Josh. He's not answering
2:06:04his phone." Amelia and him got into a
2:06:06fight. Um, and then Amelia said told me
2:06:10that she drove around the apartment at
2:06:1311 something and that's when I called
2:06:16her and her phone she turned her phone
2:06:18off. That's why her calls didn't go
2:06:20through. I texted her and there was no
2:06:23response and I called her cousins right
2:06:25after that to say, "Hey, do you know
2:06:28where Ameilia is? Is she with you guys?"
2:06:31And they said, "No, she's not." After
2:06:34that is when I took my again I took my
2:06:37phone off and that's when I was
2:06:39confronted by that guy when I was vaping
2:06:42in my car.
2:06:44So at the same time just want same time
2:06:46this is happening to you. Amelia's
2:06:49driving around the same apartment
2:06:50complex. Yeah. Looking for you. Correct.
2:06:53In a different car. Correct.
2:06:56Okay.
2:06:59Did you guys go to alchemy together? No.
2:07:02No. After that, from what I understand,
2:07:04she went and hung out with her cousin.
2:07:06Well, how did she not see you in the
2:07:06parking lot? What do you mean? You said
2:07:09you're Were you there? Where? In the
2:07:12parking lot when she drove by? No, she
2:07:14said 11 something. She was driving by,
2:07:16but I was already gone by then. Okay. I
2:07:18was at Alchemy at like 11. And who'd you
2:07:20hear that from? Your sister or from
2:07:21Amelia? From both. Oh, okay. And Amelia
2:07:24told your sister this that she was
2:07:26driving around? No, my sister was with
2:07:28her. Oh, she went with her. So, how did
2:07:29again back to the original question. How
2:07:31did this come up in conversation? You
2:07:32told your sister that you threw the gun
2:07:33away? Cuz I Oh, she's like, "Oh, uh, my
2:07:36sister was like how um Amelia was
2:07:38worried about you. We went around the
2:07:40area." I said, "I was gone by then." And
2:07:42I just told her I threw my gun away.
2:07:46Well, what? How? But again, how did the
2:07:49gun come up?
2:07:51She said, "What happened to your gun?"
2:07:52And I told her I told my sister that
2:07:54immediately got mad about the whole
2:07:56situation that happened with me and that
2:07:59kid in the morning with Orange County.
2:08:01And she was upset about me having a gun
2:08:02and me hurting myself again. And I told
2:08:05her I just got rid of the gun. That's
2:08:07all I told her. That's all I told my
2:08:09sister.
2:08:12Thought you said you told her you threw
2:08:13it over the bridge in Daytona. Yeah,
2:08:15that's what I told her. I got rid of the
2:08:16gun. Well, you said that was all you
2:08:17told her. So, was it you told her that
2:08:18you got rid of the gun or you threw it
2:08:19over the bridge? I threw it over the
2:08:21bridge in Daytona. That's what I told my
2:08:22sister. Rachel has the same last name as
2:08:24you. Yeah. She lives at your parents
2:08:25house. Mhm.
2:08:28How old is she? 20 seven. Mhm.
2:08:33Um
2:08:38Okay.
2:08:43Why was Ameilia worried about you and
2:08:45looking for you? She didn't know where I
2:08:47was.
2:08:49Why would she drive by that apartment
2:08:50complex? She didn't know where you were.
2:08:52She That's what she Well, she I told her
2:08:54she had an idea that I was going to go
2:08:56there because I was trying to make
2:08:57things right. What did you tell her
2:09:00about the whole getting because that was
2:09:01a conversation we had before. Tell me
2:09:03about it. Was hey, can we go ahead and I
2:09:06told her Mhm. And this is after you paid
2:09:10these people to take care of her.
2:09:11Correct. Why would you be worried about
2:09:14paying her back the money when you
2:09:15already paid these people $10,000 to
2:09:16kill her? Cuz to me, it's like one or
2:09:18the other, you know? You either start I
2:09:21mean, we hate to laugh, but it's like
2:09:22it's been going on all day between you
2:09:24and your wife. I mean, why why would you
2:09:26go over there and try and talk to her?
2:09:28Why would you talk to Ameilia about
2:09:29paying her back? Because they're two
2:09:30innocent people. Like, okay. Did you
2:09:32make any efforts to call Jay and tell
2:09:33him not to do it and we want the money
2:09:34back and we're going to go pay her? No,
2:09:35I No. No. Why not?
2:09:39Why?
2:09:41I don't know. You don't know?
2:09:45That's That's the best answer you have.
2:09:47I don't know.
2:09:50All I know is I went there. No, it's not
2:09:52all you know. Stop saying that.
2:09:55Amelia knew exactly why you were there.
2:09:56Ameilia, you Amelia knew exactly where
2:09:58to look for you.
2:10:02Pretty funny, don't you think? I mean,
2:10:04the fact of the matter is your phone is
2:10:05off.
2:10:08Why? Because you went there. Because if
2:10:09it was so innocent in the first place,
2:10:11you would have told us about it. But you
2:10:13didn't.
2:10:17said Amelia knew where to go look for
2:10:19you. And there's a reason why they were
2:10:20asking where your gun was.
2:10:24Jesus Christ. Even your sister's asking
2:10:25about this.
2:10:29Your own sister.
2:10:33Why the [ __ ] would they ask you where
2:10:34your gun is if you had if you were
2:10:36completely and totally, you know, no.
2:10:44No, your wife is sitting in there
2:10:45telling us that you, you know, you came
2:10:46home and told her you did this. Your own
2:10:48sister's asking where your gun is.
2:10:52You
2:10:57You have a You have a big decision to
2:10:59make.
2:11:02You've already messed up as much as And
2:11:04then you're going to let her go down.
2:11:06You really want to take her down with
2:11:08you? What What What do you have to gain?
2:11:10What what what are you gonna get from
2:11:12taking her down with you? What what is
2:11:15there to gain?
2:11:17Nothing.
2:11:21Nothing.
2:11:24So again, do do you think that just by
2:11:27saying that stuff it's it's going to go
2:11:29away?
2:11:30No. Okay.
2:11:33Do do you expect anybody to believe
2:11:35anything you're saying when everything
2:11:36that we've talked to you about,
2:11:37everything that we've we've challenged
2:11:38you on is the only way we've gotten you
2:11:39to tell us anything that's true? I
2:11:41understand that.
2:11:43But I know that your your your
2:11:45whereabouts are unaccounted for. I got
2:11:46news for you. Your whereabouts are
2:11:48unaccounted for at the time of this
2:11:49homicide.
2:11:50You understand that, right? Yeah. Your
2:11:53phone is off. Your gun's Your gun is
2:11:55missing. Yeah.
2:11:59Not Jay. And I got news for you. Jay is
2:12:02not going to admit to a murder for you.
2:12:03Josh, let's I'll give you even more
2:12:04common sense that just occurred to me
2:12:07sitting around. What kind of
2:12:08neighborhood do you think that was
2:12:09having been there for a few hours? What
2:12:12kind of neighborhood is it? I don't
2:12:15know. Not the best, I guess. Yeah. It's
2:12:16It's a bad It's a rough neighborhood.
2:12:18You agree with that? Yeah.
2:12:20No one kicked in this lady's door. Is
2:12:23she going to open the door to Jay
2:12:24Pursade or some 6'5 black guy in the
2:12:26middle of the night? Or is she going to
2:12:28open the door? Oh, here's that guy
2:12:29again.
2:12:31But I never went back there. Yeah, you
2:12:33did. He's absolutely right. Yeah. I
2:12:36mean, think about that for a sec. She
2:12:37She's not going to open a door in that
2:12:39neighborhood
2:12:41for someone that she doesn't know. Like
2:12:44you said, you you were having a nice
2:12:46conversation with them. You may have
2:12:47even left it on good terms as far as,
2:12:50you know, I don't know, maybe it didn't
2:12:51leave it on good terms, but when you
2:12:53went back and knocked on the door, they
2:12:55would have had no trouble. Okay, here's
2:12:56the guy who talked. She would have
2:12:58opened the door for you. She wouldn't
2:12:59have opened the door for these guys.
2:13:03Like I said, you're gonna you were going
2:13:05to take so many people down with you
2:13:06with you sticking to that story. Okay,
2:13:10just tell us the truth. You know,
2:13:11because I the thing I'll tell you, I
2:13:13don't know what's going to happen down
2:13:15the road. I don't know what, but I can
2:13:16tell you right now, the people that are
2:13:18going to determine that, they want to
2:13:20see they want to see that you were
2:13:21honest about what happened, that you
2:13:23showed remorse. You know, right now
2:13:25they're looking at they'll look at a guy
2:13:26who tried to take two other people down
2:13:28with him, including his wife and and
2:13:31really do irreparable harm to an
2:13:34innocent seven-year-old. Uh, that's not
2:13:37my goal. Okay. That's not my goal. Tell
2:13:38us the truth about what happened. The
2:13:40truth is I went there, I talked to them,
2:13:42I got confronted by that guy in my car
2:13:44that night. I left, went to Alchemy,
2:13:46went to Daytona, came back to our house
2:13:49at between, like I said, between 5:30,
2:13:526:30, something somewhere around there.
2:13:54Okay. Her mom was home. Um, and then
2:13:58Josh, will you at least concede in this
2:14:01conversation, again, not being a stupid
2:14:02person, that this looks really bad for
2:14:05you? It does, and I understand because
2:14:06you're that you're you're at the scene.
2:14:08I know. You have a gun that you claim is
2:14:10that you say was stolen from you. Okay.
2:14:13Um, you are unaccounted for. you have
2:14:15your phone off. Okay, all of these
2:14:18things add up. You have an absolute
2:14:20motive, too, to have these people
2:14:21killed. You know, all those things add
2:14:23up to uh a circumstantial case for
2:14:26first-degree murder. And your answer to
2:14:30it is
2:14:32this is her. She's driving this boat.
2:14:37She is. Okay. I hate to say it, but she
2:14:40is. All right. Well, like I said, we got
2:14:41some things to do to like either approve
2:14:44or disapprove you here. Why? Why didn't
2:14:45that guy just carjack you?
2:14:47She said he was watching, so I I don't
2:14:49give a [ __ ] what he said about watching
2:14:50you. What I'm saying is if I'm the guy
2:14:52that's robbing you and Yeah, I got a gun
2:14:53to your head, but am I going to let you
2:14:54put your hand anywhere near your gun?
2:14:55Why not just say, "Get out of the car.
2:14:57Take the car." I don't know. So, all he
2:14:59did out of the goodness of his heart was
2:15:00just take your gun from you. Take my
2:15:02gun. He said, "What about your wallet?"
2:15:03He said, "What about money?" He said,
2:15:04"That's what I'm saying." He said, "You
2:15:06know why I'm here? I've been watching
2:15:08you. give me your piece and that was it.
2:15:12So you you assume that to mean something
2:15:14to do with Jay, correct? So again, Jay
2:15:17had this money from four days before,
2:15:20four or five days before. Nothing
2:15:22happened. Nothing happened. Nothing
2:15:23happened yet. Saturday, Friday,
2:15:24Saturday. Yet when you go there, he just
2:15:26happens to be there and they're just
2:15:27happen to He said they've been watching.
2:15:29Uhhuh. They never mentioned that
2:15:30apartment.
2:15:32Who was it? The guy that took your your
2:15:34gun. He never mentioned that apartment.
2:15:37He said I'm here. I was I was I've been
2:15:40watching. I know why you're here. When I
2:15:43even when I left at 11:00, the door was
2:15:45wide open. Mhm. On their apartment. It
2:15:48was fine. Josh, if you were a hitman,
2:15:50what time of the night would you kill
2:15:52somebody? I don't know. Would you do it?
2:15:55Would you do it like in maybe like 3:00
2:15:57in the morning?
2:15:59When do you think there would be the
2:16:00least amount of witnesses around? I
2:16:02don't know.
2:16:04I have no idea.
2:16:08Again, I just come back to
2:16:11I think I'm going to try this. I just
2:16:15come back to,
2:16:20you know,
2:16:23again, like we said, one way or another,
2:16:25you got a lot to deal with.
2:16:28But I mean, are you are you a selfish
2:16:30person? Do you ever think of yourself as
2:16:32a selfish person? No. Okay.
2:16:36So,
2:16:39you know,
2:16:42your story just doesn't make any sense.
2:16:44And and you know, for you again to take
2:16:48Amelia down, I guess I'm just I'm kind
2:16:50of at this point. I'm not being selfish.
2:16:53My thing is we've been together for
2:16:56seven years and I've done the world back
2:16:59with this girl regarding her son herself
2:17:02with her baby daddy problems. And she
2:17:05says you're abusive mentally and
2:17:07physically. I mean, that's that's the
2:17:09picture she's painting of you, Josh. I
2:17:10hate I'm not I hate to burst that bubble
2:17:12for you, but she we asked her about that
2:17:14and she's she's she used as an excuse
2:17:17for some of the things that went on. Uh
2:17:19she said that you are abusive. You
2:17:21threatened to kill her entire family if
2:17:23she talked about this. So that's the
2:17:25picture that she's painting of you. And
2:17:27that that's not me. I mean, that's that
2:17:31blows my mind. Yeah, that blows my mind.
2:17:33Both of what you have said today blows
2:17:35my mind. That blows my mind.
2:17:40But this doesn't look good for you,
2:17:41Josh. But we're going to do our jobs.
2:17:42And just know that. And I want you guys
2:17:44to And that could end up with you going
2:17:45to jail for murder, you know, because
2:17:48again, there's there's a lot of things
2:17:49here. I'm not a big believer in
2:17:50coincidences. Neither one of us are, you
2:17:53know, but you think about all those
2:17:54things that you got going against you at
2:17:56this point in this case that you're
2:17:58there, that you have a gun, that it's
2:18:00got missing, you're unaccounted for. you
2:18:03know, you absolutely have a motive.
2:18:05You've already tried to make some
2:18:07half-ass attempt to have these people
2:18:09killed or to regenerate some more money.
2:18:12I mean, there's just a lot of lot of
2:18:14problems. A lot of problems. So, we'll
2:18:17we'll just have to see how it pans out.
2:18:19Is there going to be anything on your
2:18:20phone about this case, about this
2:18:23murder, about any chatter about what
2:18:25went on or about paying people? No.
2:18:28Okay.
2:18:29on Snapchat. The only thing you'll see
2:18:31was from Jay. Oh, I need $9,000 more or
2:18:35something like that. And I know Amelia's
2:18:37phone for But it's not he's it's going
2:18:38to be a generic I need 9 It's not going
2:18:40to be like I need $9,000 more to kill
2:18:42these people for Yeah. Is that what he
2:18:45said in the Snapchat or he just said he
2:18:46needs $9,000? I think it was I need
2:18:48$9,000 more or something like that.
2:18:50Okay. But he didn't say specifically
2:18:51what for Snapchat. But I know Amelia's
2:18:54um if you guys look at Amelia's
2:18:55Snapchat, it should have that there.
2:18:57Okay. between her and Jay Pasad. Okay.
2:19:00And you're insinuating that was for
2:19:01killing them. Correct.
2:19:03But you went over there to talk to them.
2:19:06All right. Good enough. All right.
2:19:08Time's now approximately
2:19:10655 hours. I'm sorry. 1855.
2:19:14A warm one or something. Boil it for
2:19:17you.
2:19:19Yeah, we could probably grab you a warm
2:19:20water.
2:19:23What time is it now? It's about 7
2:19:25o'clock. Josh.
2:19:32I would never expect her to say that
2:19:34about
2:19:37surprise ourselves sometimes.
2:19:41Okay.
2:20:09Hey, Joshua. Yep. Hey, man.
2:20:13All right. I need you to stand up.
2:20:18Juliet,
2:20:22I searched you already, right? You have
2:20:23nothing on you. Yeah, nothing on you.
2:20:24All right. Going through real fast. I
2:20:26search you again.
2:20:29I saw your bag. bag your stuff.
2:20:46Put your hands money back.
2:20:52[Music]
2:21:01Not not too tight, right? No, that's
2:21:02all. All right, cool.
2:21:07Step out in the hallway there. I'm going
2:21:08grab the stuff out of here.
2:21:10You all right? My leg. That's your boy.
2:21:13Can I tighten? Yeah. No.
2:21:17You shot your leg? Yeah. My gun.
2:21:21After the interrogation, the story
2:21:23unraveled. Amelia Bassoon had forged two
2:21:26checks totaling 50,000 from the account
2:21:28of Cynthia Stack's elderly father. The
2:21:31money was deposited into a bank account
2:21:33opened in Bassoon's minor son's name.
2:21:35Soon after, Cynthia and her 22-year-old
2:21:38son Shawn were found shot to death in
2:21:40their apartment. Prosecutors alleged
2:21:42that Joshua Ramsami purchased a handgun
2:21:44from a pawn shop and carried out both
2:21:46killings in an attempt to silence the
2:21:48victims of the fraud. Ramsami was
2:21:51arrested and charged with two counts of
2:21:53first-degree murder with a firearm.
2:21:55Bassoon was initially charged with two
2:21:57counts of principal to first-degree
2:21:59murder, but those charges were later
2:22:01dropped as part of a plea agreement. She
2:22:04was convicted for her role in the
2:22:06financial crimes and received 3 years in
2:22:08jail. In 2022, Ramsami's convictions
2:22:11were upheld on appeal. And in 2023, the
2:22:15US comproller of the currency formally
2:22:17barred him from ever participating in
2:22:19the banking industry. A crime that began
2:22:21with fraud ended in bloodshed. And while
2:22:24the money may be gone, so are two
2:22:26innocent lives. If you found this video
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