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0:00On the night of November 23rd, 2012, a
0:02confrontation in a gas station parking
0:04lot escalated into gunfire. The man
0:07behind the trigger was Michael Dunn, a
0:09software developer from Florida. The
0:11teenager shot and killed was 17-year-old
0:13Jordan Davis. What began as an argument
0:16over loud music quickly spiraled into
0:19something far more serious.
0:21Jackson 911. Matthew, I'm just leaving
0:25the loop over by the Meadows. Um, we
0:28heard what sounded to be like some
0:30really weak gunshots. Okay. Bay Meadows
0:32Loop. You said I'm sorry. The loop on
0:35Bay Meadows. Yes, the loop over by
0:38Meadows. Okay. What road is it on? I
0:40don't have a Bay Meadows. Okay. Um, what
0:43road is this on? Southside. Southside.
0:48It's uh Southside Day Meadows. Okay.
0:52that it was coming from over by the gas
0:54station and then a red It looked like a
0:57Dodge Durango, but I can't be sure. It
0:59was like a red SUV came hauling ass
1:03around the corner. Two black males
1:05stepped out. Um, and I'm not sure where
1:08they just took off to. There's a cop
1:10sitting across the street with uh
1:11somebody pulled. Hold on. From the red
1:13the two black males came from the red
1:15SUV, correct? Okay. So, the red SUV
1:18pulled up and the two two black males
1:20got out, right? They they pulled up.
1:23They didn't even pull into a parking
1:24spot. They just pulled into the lot and
1:26and like the driver stepped out. Uh it
1:30was a looked like a black male with uh
1:34with kind of like longer hair. I I don't
1:35I couldn't really tell if he had dreads
1:37or not. It's kind of dark. Dun fired 10
1:39rounds at the SUV Davis was sitting in,
1:42three of them after the vehicle had
1:43already begun to flee. Jordan Davis was
1:45struck multiple times and died at the
1:47scene. Dunn then left the area without
1:50calling police. He later claimed he
1:52acted in self-defense, but the evidence
1:55and his own words would be heavily
1:57scrutinized. Recorded just hours after
2:00the shooting, this is the interrogation
2:02of Michael Dunn. If you do answer
2:04questions, you have the right to stop
2:06answering questions at any time and
2:07consult with a lawyer. Okay. Do you
2:09understand those rights? Yes, sir. Okay.
2:12If you could just sign where it says
2:13signature and by signing there you're
2:15just acknowledging that I went over your
2:16rights with you and that you do
2:17understand your
2:22rights. This bar county right
2:29okay um just going to get some some
2:32basic info from you first if we could.
2:43Um, and it's what's your
2:47birthday? Okay. And what's your current
2:49home address? You have a cell phone.
2:52Okay. Where do you currently work at?
2:55How long you been you've been working
2:56for? How long you been working for them?
2:57Are you from this area originally or are
2:59you a Vikings fan?
3:01Uh, I was and then when I lived in
3:03California, I was a 49ers fan and now
3:05I'm a Bucks
3:07fan and and the Jaguars. Yeah. None of
3:10us are J fans. No, there are no such
3:13thing.
3:18Anybody who plays the the Dolphins.
3:21Okay, I can live that. I can live that.
3:25Um, obviously just kind of want to talk
3:27to you about what occurred last night.
3:30uh up in Jacksonville. Uh but I'd like
3:32to kind of back up to when did you come
3:35to Jacksonville? Thanksgiving Day.
3:38Thanksgiving Day. Okay. And what was the
3:39reason you came to Jacksonville? My my
3:42son uh was getting married on Friday.
3:44Oh, okay. He was getting married on
3:46Friday. Yeah. And we have a small dog
3:47that we were going to travel with and
3:49the check-in time was right around the
3:52time of the wedding on Friday. So, we
3:54thought we'd go up early. Mhm. On
3:56Thursday just to be there already. Okay.
3:58What time was the So you came up
4:00Thursday. Where were y'all staying? We
4:02were staying at the Sheran. Okay. Do you
4:04remember where? Uh Deerfield, but
4:07Sheridan off Deerfield. Yes. Okay.
4:10Um Friday just um What time is the
4:14wedding at? Four. Four. Okay. So during
4:18the day you're just getting prepped up
4:19for that, getting ready for that.
4:22Where's the wedding at?
4:24Um is there Orange Park? Is that some
4:27place close by? Yeah, it was Orange
4:29Park. Um, old house '7s house right on
4:33the um on the on the water. Okay. Very
4:36nice ceremony. Okay. Um about how long
4:39do you stay there?
4:41Um I I don't know, but we were on our
4:44way back to the hotel when we stopped at
4:46that store. Okay. Um and let me back up
4:49for a second just back to today. Let me
4:51just just so I can verify a couple. Are
4:52you under any you take any prescriptions
4:55or anything like that? any kind of I I
4:57do, but it's um anti-inflammatory for my
5:01lower back. Lower back pain. Okay. You
5:03never been You never been diagnosed with
5:04any kind of mental health issues or
5:06anything like that? Yes, sir. Okay. Um I
5:09hold the CWP. I've been um on private
5:12pilot. I um I'm I'm good upstairs.
5:16Computer programmer. Okay. Um any
5:20alcohol or drugs today? No, sir. Okay.
5:23Just have to make sure. I just kind of
5:24want to make sure you and I can just
5:25make sure we're having a lucid
5:26conversation is all. Um I don't have
5:29much sleep. Um you don't have to tell
5:32us. Reading the um news reports what the
5:35aftermath was. I didn't sleep very well
5:37last night. Okay. Well, I can understand
5:39that. I can understand. Um we haven't
5:42had any. So, yeah, we're right there.
5:43We're right there with you. Um Okay. So,
5:47you go to the wedding and you guys are
5:48headed back to the hotel.
5:51Um, do you remember the route you you
5:53were coming? Do you know the name of the
5:54roads that you were on or my phone? You
5:57just follow the directions on the phone.
5:59Okay. Um, and you decided 95 get off on
6:03wherever to 95 up to probably Bay
6:07Meadows. That sounds familiar. And then
6:09hang a left on Southside, I think. Or
6:12you keep going on Bay Meadows. I'm
6:13trying to remember. I think we um
6:15whatever road we were on, we went
6:17straight until we turned down to
6:19Deerfield. Okay. Okay. Um so you pull
6:24into the gas station. Okay. What was the
6:26purpose of stopping at the gas station?
6:27Uh so just kind of walk me through, you
6:30know, just tell me from your point of
6:31view what what you guys pull up. You're
6:34driving is it now? It's your car. Is
6:36that correct? Yes, sir. Okay. And you're
6:37driving? Yes, sir. Okay. It's a it's a
6:39Volkswagen, correct? Yes, sir. Okay. So,
6:41she's sitting in the passenger seat. No
6:42one else in the car with you. Correct.
6:44Correct. Okay. Um, just kind of walk me
6:46through kind of what happened at that
6:48point. Well, I'm embarrassed to say
6:51this, but um got out, she's in the store
6:54and there's like a
6:56SUV next to us and um then the the music
7:00starts and I I roll down my window and I
7:04thought I was polite. I asked them
7:07nicely. I didn't demand. They didn't or
7:10else. I said, "Hey, would you guys mind
7:12turning that down?" And uh they shut it
7:15off. I was like, "Thank you." Mhm. Um
7:20it's cordial. Everything's cordial. I
7:22put my window back up. I'm doing my
7:25stuff and um I don't know how many kids
7:29are in that, but the the windows are
7:32down for the back seat. The windows are
7:34up for the front seat. Okay. And
7:39um the guy that was in the back is
7:42getting really
7:44agitated. And I my window's up. I can't
7:47hear everything he's saying, but you
7:49know, there's a lot of [ __ ] him and [ __ ]
7:51that and um [ __ ] that [ __ ] And then
7:55the music comes back on. And you know,
7:57I'm just
7:57like live and let live and and you know,
8:00don't don't need any trouble. and and I
8:04don't know if they're singing or what,
8:06but it's like um they're saying kill
8:09them. So, I put my window down
8:13again and I said, "Excuse me, are you
8:15are you talking about
8:18me?" Um and it was like,
8:24um, kill that [ __ ]
8:27And
8:29um you know I'm I'm still not reacting.
8:32But then this guy like goes down on the
8:34ground and comes up with something. I
8:37thought it was a shotgun and he goes,
8:39"You're dead, bitch." And he opens his
8:41door. Mhm. And I'm [ __ ]
8:46bricks, but that's when I reached in my
8:48glove box. Mhm. Unholstered my pistol. I
8:53mean, I'm I've practiced this. I'm at
8:55the um Fort Malibar rifle and pistol
8:58range. I'm an avid Mhm. you know, gun
9:01guy and all that.
9:04No military training or anything, but I
9:06have friends who are in the military
9:08that Right. show me the proper way. Yes.
9:12And so, um, quicker in the Flash, I had
9:15a round chambered in it and I I shot.
9:20Okay. Do you remember how many times you
9:23shot? four. Okay.
9:27Okay. Just keep walking me through kind
9:29of what you I I shot four times and
9:34um and that SUV pulled out and and like
9:37I said, in my mind, they got a gun and
9:41so, you know, not training just from I
9:44was still scared. Mhm. And so I shot
9:47four more times as they were. As they
9:49were fleeing. Yeah. Trying to keep their
9:52heads down to not
9:54catch any return fire. Okay. All right.
9:56And then and that and that was it. I
9:59mean, I I
10:00um I still didn't feel safe. I thought,
10:04you know, there was another car. I I
10:06didn't know. I mean, I'm in a strange
10:08town in a strange area. I just had my
10:10life threatened. The love of my life is
10:12in the store. And she doesn't know
10:15what's going on. She come outside to see
10:17what was up. And I was just like, "Get
10:20in the car. We have to go."
10:22I I I just didn't feel safe there. In
10:25fact, um we had plans, in fact, a fairly
10:30expensive um bed and breakfast paid for
10:33in St.
10:34Augustine. And
10:36um you know, after what happened last
10:40night and we we just we're like, we have
10:44to go home and call call the local
10:46sheriff and Okay. tell them what's up.
10:48Well, where'd you go after? We went
10:51right to our room. You went right to the
10:52hotel. Yeah. Okay. Didn't we? We were
10:56just like bricks waiting for another
10:58carload of thugs to come. I
11:02mean, I'd never been so scared in my
11:05life for somebody to
11:07be, you know, I thought they were
11:09singing. Mhm. Like, you're going to die,
11:11[ __ ] I thought that, you know, and
11:13then I it's getting a little louder.
11:16That's when I put my window down. Was
11:18like, are you talking to you talking
11:20about me? Mhm. And that and that was
11:23she's like, you're dead. You're dead,
11:24[ __ ]
11:27Okay. So, I
11:30um went over this a million times. And
11:34um what I should have done is put the
11:36car in
11:37reverse, but
11:39I a shotgun come up or whatever. It was
11:43fight or flight. Mhm. I don't think
11:45there was any time for flight at that
11:47moment. I was going to get shot. Okay.
11:51So, you they pull
11:54out you, as you said, you shoot to kind
11:56of keep their heads down as they're
11:58pulling at that kind of your intention.
12:01That's your thought. They have a shotgun
12:03aimed at me and I I don't want them
12:06shooting at Okay. Um and then get in the
12:10car, you guys leave and drive and go
12:12back to the hotel room. Okay. And you
12:15guys just stayed in the hotel room at
12:18that point. Did you go anywhere else?
12:20No, we ordered out. We got pizza. Pizza.
12:23Um, did you And what time did you check
12:27out this morning?
12:30I think when when you called early this
12:33morning, we had just got home and I um
12:36unpacked her a few bags. Mhm. and uh
12:39where our neighbor just down the way is
12:42a real good friend of ours and he's in
12:43the government in some capacity. Um
12:47well, he's in law enforcement. I don't
12:49know which branch, right? Um but we were
12:51going to go,
12:54you know, talk to him and like, do you
12:57do you do you know anybody in the
13:00sheriff's department that we could talk
13:01to? Cuz you know, I didn't I didn't want
13:04it to happen the way it did. the way it
13:05did. His sheriff came with AR-15s and I
13:10was trying to avoid that, you know. I
13:12was like, I give up. Um, but but that's
13:17where
13:18you called when I was out the door to
13:21go. Um, they Yeah, unbeknownst to me, I
13:24didn't know at the time that they had
13:25actually been they they were actually
13:26responding before I even got on the
13:28phone to them. So, when you and I were
13:29talking, unbeknownst to me, they were
13:30already alerted to your presence there.
13:33So, or maybe my neighbor. Oh. Oh. Oh, I
13:37I don't know. Yeah, I you know cuz you
13:40know I I told you that's why I said I
13:43was I was being honest with you when I
13:45said I'll give you five minutes to you
13:47know kind of like you said you said I'll
13:48be out the door five minutes. I said
13:49okay. You know
13:52um
13:54the the um gun is it your gun? Yes. It's
13:58um um a gun I've had since like 1990.
14:02Okay. What kind is it? It's a Taurus
14:05PT92. Okay. You know what caliber? 9
14:07millm. 9 mm. Do you normally keep it in
14:11your glove box? Always. Always in your
14:13glove box. And you said you kept it
14:14holstered on Yeah, it's it's um a
14:17holster that's inside the waistband, but
14:19I'm a little uh heavy. Uh I used to
14:22carry it, but I'm too heavy. So, I just
14:25keep it in the glove box. In the glove
14:26box. Okay.
14:28Um where is that gun now? It's in my
14:31glove box. It's still in the glove box.
14:32Okay. In your car. And your car is at
14:34your residence currently. Is that
14:36correct? Yes, sir. Okay.
14:38How many do you know? Do you normally
14:40keep it fully loaded? Okay. You keep it
14:42fully loaded, but not chambered. You had
14:44to chamber it. I don't. My um military
14:46friends thinks I'm an idiot, but I just
14:50don't. Okay. No, that's what I'm saying.
14:51You know, you normally don't keep it
14:53chambered. You knew to have you'd have
14:54to rack one to put one in the chamber.
14:56Yes. It's a practice. Um Right.
15:01menu, right? No, I know. I'm aware. I
15:04know. Um,
15:13I know you you're in a strange town
15:16and you're, you know, you have this
15:18traumatic event happen to you and I can
15:21understand that. Okay.
15:23The problem I can tell you where we
15:25start to kind of get a little wondering
15:28is by the time you say you get to your
15:31hotel room, you're calling to order
15:33pizza. Why aren't you calling us? I
15:36wanted to come back to my hometown to do
15:39that and our dog and
15:41everybody were where they needed to be.
15:45I I I didn't want to bring a [ __ ] storm
15:47down on them in Jacksonville. Okay.
15:50Well, I mean, it wouldn't that they
15:51haven't I mean, they're anything to be
15:54worried about. She hasn't True. You
15:56know, it's not like she's there. Yeah.
15:59There's I can There's nothing she did
16:01wrong. I was
16:04um you know, I shouldn't even left the
16:07scene. Mhm. But I left the scene because
16:09I was still afraid for Okay. And I And I
16:13can I can I can I can live with that.
16:15Okay. I can live with that. You don't
16:17necessarily want to hang around right
16:19where the shooting happened because you
16:20don't know if these guys are coming
16:21back. I I'm good with or there more,
16:24you know, but once you
16:27leave and you are away from that scene
16:31and you've even gotten to a hotel room
16:33and inside your hotel room at that
16:35point, you know, now it doesn't now
16:38makes me wonder, you know, cuz if you
16:41make a phone
16:42call, one, we find out, you know, a lot
16:46quicker what's going on. Okay. The
16:48reason he and I haven't been asleep
16:50since sometime yesterday is because
16:52we're trying to figure out. All we know
16:54is we got a guy we got a dead kid in a
16:57car. Okay. And we got a guy who shot and
17:00hauled ass. That's all we know. You see
17:04what I'm saying? I I do and just mean to
17:07um
17:09to call you guys last night and I was um
17:11insistent on waiting until we got around
17:15people we knew. Okay.
17:17I mean, I I just I'm just that's where
17:20we start to get a little concerned. and
17:22it starts to be, you know, and I'll you
17:26can speak to I've had I personally have
17:28had a had a case with an individual who
17:30was moving to Jacksonville, first day in
17:33Jacksonville and got involved in an
17:36incident and felt threatened and shot
17:38another person and was in their car and
17:42he drove across the street to another
17:45parking lot and got on the phone with
17:46911 immediately and started walking
17:49police into where he was.
17:52You
17:53know, that's the way you I
17:57mean I I have nothing to say other than
18:01other problems that we have
18:03too when you begin to shoot.
18:07Can you honestly tell us that you ever
18:09saw a gun inside of you? I saw a barrel
18:12come up on the window like a like a
18:15singleshot shotgun where there's a
18:17barrel. I didn't see this part of the
18:19barrel. I saw that part of the barrel
18:21and it was either a barrel or a stick,
18:24but sir, they're they're they're like,
18:27"We're going to kill you." And then they
18:30say, "You're dead, bitch." I mean, I I
18:34I didn't wait till to look to see um if
18:38they were going to point it at me. He
18:40reached down and picked it up. And then
18:43who who reached down and picked it up?
18:45Well, hopefully it's the guy that I hit,
18:48though. It was Where was he sitting when
18:50he received He was sitting in the um
18:52rear passenger side. Okay. And that
18:56that's the guy that was um really
18:58agitated. Mhm.
19:01And and then that's the guy that I
19:03asked, "Are are are you talking about
19:06you're going to kill
19:08me?" Like I said, I didn't know what you
19:11know, my window is up. He was saying a
19:14lot, but that's what came
19:16through. And I put my window down
19:20to ask him. Mhm.
19:23And the music is still playing at this
19:25time.
19:26Yes. But he is really loud and really
19:29animated. Louder than the music that's
19:31bothering you.
19:33Yes. Well, the music was a nuisance at
19:35first, you know, with my car shut and
19:38the windows up and you just hear the
19:40heavy bass. Um, and like I said, I just
19:44said, "Hey, would you mind turning it
19:46down?" And they did. They shut it off,
19:49which I, you know, I said,
19:51"Thanks." Um,
19:54but it really wasn't an issue of loud
19:57music. It was an issue of
20:00them threatening my life. But it started
20:03from me. Absolutely. And you know,
20:06that's when I started when you pulled
20:08up. No, it was not. It was not. No, it
20:12wasn't. And got out of the car and she
20:14had been gone for a little bit.
20:17She wasn't in the store very long. I
20:19shouldn't I say she she's not in there
20:20very long.
20:24Like we said, there's some issues that
20:26we have.
20:28Um I'll be the first to tell you there's
20:30no weapons in the car. I don't know what
20:33you saw.
20:36That's the possible. And they drove off.
20:38They dumped it. They never left the
20:39parking lot. Yeah. They drove out,
20:40circled right back around and came right
20:42back to that spot. Oh, okay. cuz they
20:46circle around until they saw you leave
20:48and then they drove right back cuz they
20:50saw you leave at that point. They saw
20:51you leave and they realized their friend
20:52had been hit. So they never left the
20:54parking lot. They came right back at
20:56that point. Okay. Well,
21:01I'm I don't know what to tell you. Um
21:04here here's what has to
21:07happen. And I know that from your pro
21:10from your position right now that you're
21:12going to do everything to protect
21:13yourself. And I can't say that I blame
21:16you for that. But we're going to need
21:19the total total truth as to what
21:22happened. Not this story that I've had
21:25from 7:30 last night till 12:00 today to
21:30fix up. Okay? Because the only thing
21:32that's going to make sense to us
21:35is the truth matching the scene.
21:40And there was the biggest problem we
21:44got. The first hurdle we got to get over
21:45is that there is no weapon in that
21:47truck. Do you have a
21:48stick cuz he stuck something up.
21:53I'll double check it. I don't recall
21:54seeing anything like that really, but
21:57I'll double check it. I'll look again.
21:59But, you know, obviously our main thing
22:00is when we're going through, we're
22:01looking for any kind of weapons, any
22:03kind of evidence of a weapon,
22:05showcasing. The second problem we have
22:07is that the last set of rounds when the
22:11truck is backing away from you and you
22:13put four more sets in, four more shots
22:16into
22:17it. That's an issue cuz now if it's
22:21backing
22:23away is no longer a threat.
22:27Yes, sir. I I understand that and in my
22:30mind they had a weapon. Okay. I can't
22:33shoot someone because in my mind they
22:35had a weapon.
22:38That's that's the problem. I mean, if I
22:40walk up to someone right now and I'm
22:42having a confrontation with them and I
22:44think they have a weapon, the law don't
22:46allow me to shoot him because I think he
22:47has a weapon. I think you would have a
22:50hard time arguing with with your statue
22:53versus any one of them
22:55that they could get out and beat you up.
22:59There's four of them. Even the four of
23:01them. I think you would have a a hard
23:04time arguing that the four of them could
23:06have done anything to you. Yes, sir.
23:09Um, how let me ask you this. When you
23:12how were you when you pulled your gun
23:15out? You're s you're sitting in your
23:17driver's seat like that straight ahead.
23:19How are you? How did you shoot? You
23:21shoot one-handed? You shoot two-handed?
23:23Two-handed like two-handed like this.
23:25You come across your body. Okay. And you
23:27shoot the first what you said four shots
23:30is what you remember. And then they
23:33start backing out. Do you continue to
23:35shoot through the window or do you
23:37reposition? Do you reposition yourself?
23:38I I don't recall, but I do remember
23:41getting out of my car and taking um like
23:45getting sideways. Mhm. And I was like
23:48waiting for the wink or
23:51But once again, all this is Okay. Once
23:54again, if you think they have something,
23:57think they have a shotgun. They have a
23:59shotgun. You think they have a shotgun?
24:01Are you going to get out of your car so
24:02they can get a good good aim on you?
24:05Make any sense? Well, at the time I was
24:08doing everything on adrenaline and no.
24:11But I'm just saying we're trained to if
24:14we think something is there to get out
24:15of the way cover or concealment. So
24:18you're telling me that you thought they
24:19had a shotgun but you got out of your
24:21car so they could get a good aim at you
24:24is what you're telling me. Well, I
24:26thought maybe they would shoot out the
24:27car and I wouldn't be in it. But the car
24:29your car is not shooting at them. You
24:31are.
24:32Why would they shoot out your car?
24:34Shadow. I can't. So, honestly, sir, I'm
24:38um at a loss to to justify what I did on
24:42the second volley other than to say I I
24:46thought they were shooting going to be
24:47shooting back and I was keeping them
24:49from doing that. And
24:54I was in such a
25:00panic, fear for my life, for the love of
25:04my life.
25:07I I did, you know, fear for the love of
25:09your life. What had they done? Well, had
25:12they been out of their truck doing
25:14whatever to me when she came out, they
25:17would have I just assume um once again,
25:20we're acting off assumptions cuz they
25:22weren't out of their truck. They were
25:23not out of his truck. The guy was coming
25:24out of his truck. One the driver had
25:27gone in the store. No, no. The guy that
25:29I was talking to, the one that I shot,
25:31he was coming out of his truck.
25:35That's when he said, "You're dead,
25:36bitch." And open the door. Okay. Is that
25:39that point where you shot? That's the
25:41point where I went and grabbed my gun.
25:43Okay. Cuz I did, you know, everything's
25:47fine. They're just talking and then all
25:50of a sudden So you you get the gun, rack
25:54it, and then reassess. No, I didn't
25:56reassess. I So you you grab you went
25:59grab gun, rack, came up. Yes, sir. Okay.
26:03So you see him start to come out of the
26:05door of the truck.
26:07At that point, you turn to get your gun.
26:11Is that correct? You take it out of your
26:13glove box. You unholster it. You rack
26:17around and you come back up on target.
26:19Yes, sir. Fluid motion.
26:22Okay. In the amount of time he's
26:24starting to get out of his out of the
26:26truck when you first start to go get
26:28your but yet by the time you come back
26:31and start
26:32shooting, he's still in the truck. He's
26:35coming out. I think he saw what I was
26:37doing when it was running back in. I I
26:39don't know. But that's where I'm a
26:42little thrown off here. Okay. Cuz he's
26:46he is sitting in the backseat of that
26:48truck when he is
26:50hit. Okay. Cuz the bullet goes right
26:53through the door. Three bullets went
26:56through that
26:57door. Okay. He wasn't He wasn't hit
27:00standing outside the truck. Oh, no. I I
27:02I I know I shot through the door. Okay.
27:05So, how driving him back? How's he
27:07getting out of the door? If you're
27:08shooting through it, you're confusing
27:10us. All
27:11right. Um, when the latch is coming off
27:15the door. Mhm. That's when I went to do
27:18what I was doing with the guns. And when
27:22I came back,
27:24um, I'm firing when the latch is coming
27:26up the door. No, when when I got my gun
27:29out of the What you What you said
27:31earlier about when you see the latch,
27:32what do you mean by the latch coming?
27:33Well, the door's opening and he's
27:34stepping out. Okay. So, and he's
27:36stepping out. Yes. And then I And you go
27:39and reach, but by the time you come back
27:40and come up just blazing, somehow he's
27:43still sitting in the truck. Well, maybe
27:44I'm not as fast with the whole thing as
27:47I think I am. But it was Or maybe he
27:50wasn't getting out of the truck. Oh,
27:52absolutely he was. Here's the other
27:53problem we have. The guy in the front
27:56seat, the front passenger seat, he sees
28:00you. He has a perfect view of the whole
28:02thing. His windows are up. Mhm. He sees
28:04you getting the gun. So why would he let
28:07his friend get out of the truck when he
28:09sees you getting the gun? Pardon? Why
28:11would he allow the victim to be getting
28:13out of the truck when he already I have
28:14no I mean I think the guy in the front
28:17was You also know that it was 7:30
28:207:45 p.m. and the gates gas station had
28:24several customers in the parking lot and
28:26everywhere and we've interviewed several
28:29people. This is the very first time that
28:33anyone has told us about anyone getting
28:35out of a truck.
28:38And and here's where I would have a
28:39question, too, is you're saying you you
28:42feel like you have a threat that this
28:43guy's got a shotgun in your view. Okay.
28:45So, you think he's getting out of the
28:47car. Okay. You So, you turn to get
28:52yours. If he's unarmed, which he
28:57is, why is he going to be
29:00I I don't know. Maybe he thinks I'm
29:02unharmed.
29:04The the the sad fact of it is is he's
29:09telling me he's going to kill
29:11me. You're dead, [ __ ]
29:14Cuz you asked him to turn the radio
29:16down.
29:18See, that's that's the part where I
29:19don't understand. And you know what? And
29:21I'll tell you, they were getting really
29:22agitated. I could I could I understand
29:24it cuz believe me, we deal with guys who
29:26you ask them to chill their radio down,
29:29they would get out of the car and shoot
29:30you. We deal with those kind of dudes
29:32all the time. Here here's here's what I
29:35can almost bet you a year my salary on.
29:38When you got into a confrontation with
29:41those guys, a man of your
29:44statute, if there was a gun in that
29:48truck, they would have shot you. They
29:51wouldn't had to get out. They were shot
29:53right through. They just shot from the
29:54truck just like you were shooting from
29:56your car because you guys are I mean
29:57you're you're directly they have the
29:59beam on you. The truck is actually
30:00higher than your car. I'm in front with
30:03the front passenger and uh and we can
30:05tell you another thing from working
30:07murders in Jacksonville. People don't
30:09get out of the car to be seen when they
30:11shooting someone. They're going to shoot
30:13you right side of that truck. All right.
30:15I
30:16I'm He's getting out of his car. We're
30:20this close to each other. He was getting
30:23out of his car after after repeatedly
30:28telling me that he was going to kill
30:31me. So, you know, is he going to bite my
30:33ear off or shoot me with a shotgun? I I
30:36wasn't too concerned about how he
30:38intended to do it. Now, and I'll tell
30:40you this, we talked to the other guys in
30:42the car and they will all admit they
30:44will all tell
30:46us that was his name. He said, "Yep."
30:50Didn't like the fact he told him to turn
30:51the music down. He wasn't happy about
30:53that. He just He didn't like the fact
30:56that some stranger is telling him to
30:58turn his music down. He's 17. He's a
31:00He's a teenager. Okay. You know, you
31:03know how teenagers are. They're a little
31:05hard-headed sometimes, especially when
31:06they're out on their
31:08own. And did did he throw some fbombs at
31:13you? Basically, tell you go [ __ ]
31:15yourself multiple times. Absolutely.
31:18They said, "Yep, he was jaw-jacking back
31:20and forth with that
31:22guy." But at but at no time did any of
31:28them say, "Well, okay, he did say he was
31:31going to kill him because what's at It
31:34makes no sense because what's he going
31:36to
31:37do? He's not
31:39armed. What What's he What's he gonna
31:41I'm going to kill you and get out of a
31:43car." And we're talking about a kid. You
31:44know how many times that kid's been to
31:45jail? Never.
31:49He has no history of violence in his not
31:52like we're getting something he has is a
31:54truency in school. We're not talking
31:56about a violent kid here. He has no
31:58track record. There are guys in
31:59Jacksonville I'd go, "Okay, I believe
32:00that cuz they got track records. This
32:03kid ain't got no track record. The kid
32:05sitting next to him doesn't have a track
32:06record. The kid sitting in front of him
32:08doesn't have a track record." None of
32:10them do. The drivers got a little bit
32:12stole a car when he was younger. That's
32:14it. These aren't violent guys.
32:17They pull up to They pull up so the
32:20driver can run in and buy cigarettes.
32:21It's the only reason they're even there.
32:23They just got back from going to the
32:25mall. That's
32:26it. So, I have a hard time buying how he
32:31I I can and I can totally see him
32:35talking [ __ ] to you. I can see that. But
32:39to take it to a level that he's
32:40threatening to end your life when he
32:42can't, there's no way he can. He doesn't
32:45have anything. He didn't know that. I
32:48know. All the reason that you're not
32:50knowing that is all the reason why you
32:52took your next step too far. The problem
32:55is you went from zero to 100
32:58without getting to 50. I I have a guy um
33:01very irate saying he wants me
33:05dead. Well, if the other guys aren't
33:08corroborating, I'm sorry, but and
33:10understand too, there's people in the
33:11parking lot can hear what's going on,
33:13too. Not one of them. We have what's
33:15called independent witnesses. Yeah. Not
33:17associated. I understand. I wasn't sure
33:19that I heard him right. That's why I I
33:22Are you Is this directed towards me?
33:25You're going to kill me. And that
33:27happens to be an exact quote of are you
33:29talking to me? That was an exact quote.
33:32Guys with the truck said he said some of
33:33the effect of are you talking to me?
33:37Yeah. So that's dead on. Yeah. He was
33:38talking to you. He's basically telling
33:40you to go [ __ ] yourself for and I'm
33:41going to turn the music back up. Yeah.
33:43No, the music the music is already up
33:45and and he's talking kill the guy.
33:50I I just can't understand if the music
33:52is up to the point where you ask them to
33:54turn it down, how can you also hear the
33:56conversation that they're having? Not
33:58making any sense. He's he's he's livid.
34:01He's not talking. He's yelling.
34:04and my windows up and I can hear him.
34:06I'm not making out all the words, but
34:09then I hear um
34:13um you know, kill that son of a [ __ ] or
34:15kill that [ __ ] I think is what
34:17he was saying. How do you know it was
34:19him saying it?
34:20Well, when I um put the window down and
34:23I asked him, he said the same thing.
34:26Yeah, kill a [ __ ] And then he
34:28when he was opening his door, he that's
34:30when he said, "You're dead, bitch."
34:33And you know when when you say he didn't
34:35have a weapon, he's on the ground and he
34:38puts something up on the thing and then
34:40gets out. I I thought it was a shotgun.
34:43I or a stick or you know some kind of
34:46weapon, but he's
34:49he's confront confrontational
34:53in using words like I'm going to kill
34:55you and you're dead.
34:58And I didn't know he's 17. And I thought
35:00he was full grown man. I thought they
35:02all
35:03were. And in my mind, they're all going
35:06to get out of this truck and shoot me or
35:09beat me. Had that been the case, we
35:12would have a different argument. Had
35:13anyone been out of the truck walking
35:15towards you in any type of threatening
35:17manner, we would have totally different
35:19parked right next to each other. Yes.
35:21There was um no walking. It was him
35:24getting out and he was an arm reach from
35:26me.
35:27But here, those cars are so close to
35:29each other, though. Him getting out,
35:31it's going to be hard for him to get out
35:33cuz he's back away from you. His door
35:35opens up. He's actually going to be
35:37shielding himself from where you are cuz
35:39you're closer up to the driver. All
35:41these things you're saying are great,
35:43but you know, the See,
35:48I didn't I didn't analyze all these
35:50things. I got the [ __ ] scared out of me
35:53and some guys coming at me.
35:56telling me what he is going to do or
35:58wants to
36:00do. I I
36:04reacted. I I I'm sitting here telling
36:08you guys I was in fear for my life. I
36:10honestly was. I have so much going on in
36:14my personal life. The last thing I want
36:16to do is be in trouble. I I don't want
36:19to cause you guys a sleepless night. I
36:22don't want to lose my freedom. This is
36:24what I This is what we do. Don't worry
36:25about that. That's what we do. Well, I
36:26mean, the the last thing I'm looking for
36:28is trouble. The last thing. I mean,
36:33you don't think asking someone to turn
36:35their music down in a public place.
36:37Absolutely. That was stupid of me. Um,
36:40around here, I I don't think if you do
36:42processing elimination, had you not done
36:45that, then we wouldn't be here today,
36:46right? Running around.
36:50Absolutely. I I um Do you think you
36:53overreacted?
36:55Well, I think I
36:57um I think I got the [ __ ] scared out of
37:00me a little bit. And
37:03um you know, if we want to say because
37:06somebody's dead, I over Hell yes. That
37:09was um Well, no, not even somebody was
37:10dead. Let's say nobody even gets hit.
37:13You think you overreacted? What if you
37:14just hit the car a bunch of times and
37:15they drove off with a bunch of bullet
37:16holes in the car? Sir, from where I was
37:19sitting, a shotgun was coming up at me.
37:22And so
37:24um I don't want to sound
37:29um like an [ __ ] but if it happened
37:32again tomorrow where a shotgun was
37:34coming up, I I think I would do the
37:36same. I hope I would. And you know what?
37:38Be afraid to do the same. If there was a
37:40shotgun coming up at you, we would
37:42expect you to do what you did. The
37:44problem that we have is that there is no
37:46shotgun. That's the bridge that we got
37:48to get across. You're saying you keep
37:50dwelling on this shotgun as if there was
37:52one at the scene. If there was a
37:54shotgun, a BB gun, any type of gun at
37:56the scene. Hell, if it was a water gun
37:58that was black, it looked real at the
38:00scene. Like they said, it was a barrel.
38:02Could have been just a stick, but I mean
38:05it was could have been your imagination.
38:07It certain Well, no.
38:10I mean, anything's possible, I guess,
38:14but the the him coming out of his car
38:18was not my imagination. Okay. And it was
38:22right after I saw that that he started
38:25coming out of his car and saying,
38:27"You're dead, bitch." When you went and
38:30grabbed your gun, racked it, and came
38:32back
38:33around, what were you shooting at? Did
38:36you acquire a target or did you start
38:37shooting? I shot at the door. Which
38:40door? Which door? The um
38:43rear passenger. He shot his door. Yes.
38:47What was the purpose of that? Save my
38:50life. From the door? No.
38:54Um he was coming out of his door and
38:57then I guess he went back in it, but
38:58that's where he was. Um I just say
39:02hypothetically you and him exchange
39:04words. He open the door to go in the
39:06store to use the bathroom. He wouldn't
39:07have said, "You're dead, bitch." And
39:09then
39:12well well then I guess I I would be in
39:14trouble if that was the case.
39:17But that that's not what
39:23happened. And yes sir, she's in the
39:26store the whole time. Okay. So she's not
39:28privy to any of this. She doesn't see
39:31any of this. She is lit. She basically
39:33stand at the count counter and all a
39:34sudden she starts hearing gunshots.
39:38Okay.
39:39So many gunshots he leaves the line on
39:41the count. Yeah. Paid for it. Paid for
39:44it and left the wine and chips. Didn't
39:47even take it with her cuz at that point
39:48and is going out the door going
39:50something basically calling your name.
39:53She she said um that the
39:57first volley they heard and then when I
40:00got out of the car they said, "Oh, it's
40:02the guy in the black car." and she
40:05thought it was me and you know she she
40:11told me this later she goes I was
40:12telling them it's okay
40:15like I know that it's not
40:17a you guys are safe
40:21I want you guys were safe definitely
40:23when the guys in the truck well the
40:25people inside the store
40:29Oh yeah I feel really bad about the boys
40:32in the truck you guys I really do if I
40:35can and let me I'll let you in on just
40:38from from our doing our
40:43investigation. We are so lucky. Really?
40:47There should be three of those four
40:48should have been
40:49hit. Three of those four. You could have
40:51three dead guys right now. Okay. Luckily
40:55for the guy in the front seat, his door
40:57stopped the bullets.
41:00They entered the door, but they didn't
41:01go all the way in because the front door
41:03has got bullet holes in
41:05it. Okay. And there's another one you
41:07shot when you were doing the the the uh
41:10suppression fire basically to keep their
41:12heads down as they're driving away. You
41:15put one in the back of the car. Several
41:17shots directly into the rear of the
41:19truck and one of them comes zinging in
41:21through the back and goes right up and
41:24hits the sun visor where the driver is
41:26as he's driving out. didn't miss his
41:28noggin by
41:30much, you know. So, we could very easily
41:32have three victims at this point.
41:35Luckily, those guys didn't get hit in or
41:36anyway, shape, but they're all fine
41:38except for the one poor the poor guy
41:40who's pretty much was dead right there.
41:43It didn't take him long. He was
41:53gone. It's, you know, that and that's
41:56and I'm I'm just letting you know we're
41:58just and like I said, we we see a lot of
42:00scenario and we deal
42:03with threatening situations. I mean, we
42:06it's not, you know, we deal with them
42:07all the time where somebody defends
42:09themselves. I mean, we do. And there are
42:12clear-cut cases where you
42:13go, "Yep, sure did, buddy." You know,
42:17you defended yourself. Have a nice day.
42:20You know, but let me be the first to
42:23tell you this ain't one of not one of
42:25them.
42:26Unfortunately, this is not one of them,
42:30okay? Cuz unfortunately, we have between
42:34the witnesses and we even Yeah, they're
42:36friends with the guy in there, but
42:37they've got their perception of what's
42:39going on, but there's other people there
42:41who fill in blanks for us who are
42:44independent. And we haven't had
42:48anybody even hint to us that he one was
42:51getting out of the car, two that anybody
42:54heard any actual physical threats to
42:56anybody. There are some fbombs getting
42:58dropped.
42:59I'm going to kill that [ __ ] I
43:02mean, did they concentrate on the fbomb
43:05and miss out on the the verb? I'm just
43:07telling you what people tell us. We ask
43:09them, "What did you hear?" cuz I show up
43:11at the
43:12scene and I don't know anything about
43:16what happened. We just start going,
43:18"What did you see? What did you hear?"
43:19Mhm. What did you see? What did you
43:21hear? Cuz you might hear something
43:23different. You might hear something
43:24different. See something different. You
43:25know, everybody sees things through
43:26their own little And believe me, we've
43:28done this long enough to know the
43:29witnesses see things can see the same
43:32thing and totally get it. You know, two
43:35different stories when you get it from
43:36That's why we try to talk to everybody
43:37else. Sure.
43:41Um, give me a break real real quick. I
43:44want to check my photographs and see if
43:47I can find what that is you're talking
43:48about so I can show you and see if you
43:50can remember what it is that you think
43:52you saw him with. Okay? Cuz I got some
43:54photographs from in the car and let's
43:56see if if that's good with you. If we
43:58can try to figure out what it is you
43:59saw. So at least we're not
44:01guessing. Okay, fair
44:05enough. I mean, I'm asking you, man. I'm
44:09not real um good with gore. Oh no, no,
44:12no, no, no, no, no, no, no. I'm not
44:14showing you any pictures like that. I'm
44:16not showing you any pictures like that.
44:17I wouldn't. No, no, no. I'm just simply
44:19showing you things that are in the
44:20truck. No gore. No, nothing like that.
44:23Okay. I'm not going to I don't do that.
44:25I'm not going to throw pictures of guys
44:26of, you know, the victim in front of
44:28you. It's not my style, okay? Not here
44:30for that. But you're telling me you see
44:32something to back. I'm just trying to
44:33see if I can figure out what it is you
44:35saw. What what I saw came up on like
44:37where his windows down come up like
44:40this. Okay. Maybe maybe sticking up like
44:45that and their windows taller than mine.
44:48I can't see the barrel, but it was
44:51something he picked up off the floor and
44:53sat there.
44:55However, and then he's getting out.
44:58Okay. Well, let me find let me find it
45:00and then that way we can clear up
45:02exactly what it is. So that way we're
45:03not guessing what we're talking about.
45:07I'm not um feeling so hot now that you
45:10guys are um unfortunately we have that
45:13effect sometimes. Well, I don't mean
45:16sick. I mean I actually am starting to
45:18be sick. My
45:20stomach I don't know how I can express
45:22to you guys that I was in fear for my
45:26life. I've never been so scared in my
45:30whole life. I've been mad in my
45:32handshake, but I was um
45:35so afraid that I didn't have time to
45:39think. I only reacted
45:43and I I don't know how to
45:47and understand what we're understand
45:50what I'm saying to you. I'm not there.
45:54Okay? You tell me that's what you're
45:56feeling. Okay? I take what you're
45:58telling me, but I also have to go with
46:00what the physical evidence of the scene
46:02tells me and what other people tell me
46:05because they interpret things different
46:06differently also. Okay. Ear earlier you
46:10said that, you know, the last thing you
46:13needed right now is to get in trouble
46:15with what's going on with your life that
46:17Oh, no. My life is great. I thought I'm
46:20I'm got a place on the beach. I got a
46:22great job. I got a great girl. We just
46:25got a little puppy. I mean, I've got
46:27great friends. I have
46:31everything to look forward to. Mhm. And
46:34uh there
46:36is nothing there is nothing that would
46:39make me want to jeopardize that. Okay. I
46:42have
46:43no no reason to to want to even attempt
46:48to jeopardize what I have. Okay. Were
46:51you angry last night when all this
46:52happened? Not at all. I just left my
46:55son's uh my firstborn's uh wedding. We
46:59were in a great mood. We
47:02were going to get a bottle of wine and
47:04go um drinking in the room. Were you
47:07drinking at the wedding at all? I had a
47:09a
47:10toast and um a rum and coke. Okay. With
47:14the meal. But I wasn't drinking if
47:17that's what you meant. No, I'm just
47:18asking did you were you buzzing at all
47:19or No, I'm real um I have a pilot's
47:23license and they're real um
47:27sour on DUIs. I get a DU I had a DUI
47:30when I was uh in my early 20s, late
47:34teens.
47:35And
47:37um that one incident is still haunting
47:41me to this day in in that I went to
47:45Canada and they got
47:48um like a ID check type thing and they
47:52asked me if I'd been arrested. Well, not
47:54since I was a kid, but in actuality in
47:572003 I got pulled over for a traffic and
48:01then they said, "Oh, you have a
48:02violation of probation."
48:04and uh and I got arrested and that was
48:06from the the DUI when I was a kid that
48:09the um appear well down in the Keys it's
48:12the um Salvation Army that does that.
48:14Mhm. So, long story short, when I moved
48:18to California, I came back in '94.
48:22I had trouble getting my license because
48:25they said that I didn't complete my
48:27community service and all that stuff.
48:29So, I called them and they had
48:31everything on the paper file. they just
48:32hadn't entered it in the
48:34computer and so the failure to appear
48:38was the last month or whatever and they
48:41just didn't enter it into the computer
48:43so it was a snafu but I I was in the
48:46jail for 5 days while they were trying
48:48to figure it out.
48:52Um but I guess what I'm trying to tell
48:54you is I um I I'm real anal about not
48:58drinking you made that mistake and you
49:00don't want to do it again. Exactly. Fair
49:02enough. Okay. Can I get you something to
49:05drink? Yes, please. Water be water.
49:07Okay. Well, give me a minute. We'll be
49:09right back.
49:22Okay. All
49:32right, just real quick, a couple things
49:34to clear up with you. Um, what I would
49:37like to do is just part of doing a
49:39thorough investigation that we that we
49:41do. Um, I would like to get possession
49:44of that firearm. Okay. So, what I would
49:47like to do is it's in your glove box of
49:50your car, correct? which is inside your
49:52garage of your house. Is that correct?
49:55Yes, sir. Okay. Um, you have my keys
49:57when I Yeah, they said they had you had
49:59the keys. Uh, what I would just simply
50:01what I would like to do is um is I have
50:03a consent to search form for I do it for
50:06your house and your car because your car
50:07is technically in your house. Okay. But
50:09what I'm going to look at obviously is
50:11retrieve the gun that's in your car.
50:12Your car is what I'm concerned with. I'm
50:13not going to start going through all the
50:14rooms of your house or anything like
50:16that. I don't care about that. I'll be
50:18straight I'll be straight honest with
50:18you. I'm just need to go through the
50:21house. Just don't tear it up. No. No.
50:23That's why I say we don't we don't do
50:24that first of all. And there's I have no
50:27reason to think there's anything in the
50:28house. Okay. The guns in your glove box.
50:31That's what I'm looking for. So that
50:33that means I don't have to go banging
50:35around looking for other stuff. Um but I
50:37want to go over this with you and have
50:39you read over and make sure you
50:40understand it first before you consent
50:42to it. Okay. Okay. So just read over it.
50:45I kind of pre-filled the blanks in
50:47there.
50:48If you have a question about something,
50:51you ask me.
51:05You keep the I'm sorry. Go ahead and
51:08finish. I'll ask that question in a
51:09second.
51:15[Music]
51:27I'll find that.
51:29Okay. You just sign where it says
51:32consenting party. Sure. However, you
51:34going to ask me? Um, you normally keep
51:36it fully loaded. I keep the magazine
51:39loaded. Fully, not chambered. Right. How
51:41much does the magazine? How many rounds
51:42of the magazine hold? I think 15. 15.
51:44Okay. So, it's a full size. Is it a full
51:47size nine? Yeah. It's just like a Betta,
51:49but it's the TAR made on Betta tooling.
51:52Okay. Because I know they make all the
51:53different, you know, you can get smaller
51:55versions carry, you know, the slimmer
51:56ones for inside. It's more of a What
51:59color is it? I think it's nickel.
52:02nickel. Okay. The silly well silly
52:06handgun in the glove box. Okay.
52:11Did you do you remember when you
52:12purchased it like you said what about 20
52:14years ago? Is that what you said? Early
52:1590s. Yeah. You just get it like 12 13 I
52:19guess.
52:21Oh no. It's been It's pushing 20 years.
52:24It's pushing 20 years. I had it before
52:25my um daughter was born and she was 22.
52:28So yeah. Okay.
52:34Um, is there Go ahead. Go ahead. Um, do
52:39I do I need to get a lawyer? I mean, it
52:42sounds like I'm in deep [ __ ] Well, that
52:45is up to you. Okay. That is a decision
52:47for you. I cannot advise you on what you
52:49should and should not do. Didn't even
52:51ask him. I know the guys have already
52:53talked to you. Um, I'm assuming they
52:56said they mentioned to you, but you know
52:57that you were arrested, correct? Did
52:59they tell you that you're under arrest?
53:01Okay. Maybe they did, but it's hard to
53:03hear when you have assault weapons.
53:05Okay. And the reason they're coming at
53:06you with assault weapons is because you
53:08had a warrant for your arrest. Okay. Um,
53:12we have a war. Uh, Duvall County issued
53:14a warrant for your arrest uh for murder
53:17and attempted murder. Okay. That's what
53:20you're being charged with right now.
53:22Okay. Um, just the first step in the
53:25process. Okay. That's what it is. He and
53:28I
53:30don't decide how this goes. What he and
53:33I do is basically is try to just gather
53:35all the facts of the case and present it
53:37to the state attorney and the state, you
53:39know, all all that thing rigor down the
53:41road down the road with deciding, you
53:43know, where it goes from there. Okay?
53:47I'm not here to judge you. I you seem
53:50like a decent guy to me. Believe me,
53:51you're much nicer than most of the
53:53people we end up talking to. Okay. Um,
53:58but we just have to go on what we have
54:01evidence-wise. Interesting. Okay. Um, is
54:06there anything else you wanted
54:09to that you think I should know about
54:11that maybe you haven't I haven't asked
54:12you a question about or nothing that
54:14comes to mind? The only the only thing
54:16that I keep um Hold on before you hold
54:21one sec. You mentioned earlier do you
54:23need a lawyer? Let's let's stop and get
54:25past that. You're not asking for a
54:27lawyer right now, right? Because if you
54:29are, then we got to stop talking to you.
54:31I want you I'm not asking for a lawyer
54:33so much now as I was asking for how I
54:37mean, were you asking for advice? Yeah.
54:39Yeah. The way I see this, this was um I
54:42was scared for my life and I um fought
54:45back and you guys are seeing this as
54:47murder and so I'm wondering maybe I
54:50should just shut up. But before that's
54:52what we and remember remember the right
54:55went over before we continue to talk to
54:56you. Yeah. Remember the right went over
54:57and said if you decide you can stop at
55:00any time. Okay. That's your right man.
55:02You can you can stop talking at any time
55:04if that but just for the mere fact that
55:06you mentioned that word in this room for
55:08all of our sake all three of us. We want
55:11to make sure that you're not asking for
55:12a lawyer right now. Not right this
55:15second. Okay. But probably about two.
55:19Okay. Okay. Well, we're we're good.
55:21We're good enough anyway. We're good
55:22enough. We don't want to violate your
55:23rights. No, I I understand. I
55:25appreciate. What I was going to say is
55:27um you know the
55:30um it it's it's too cheap to call them
55:33epitets. They were threats. The the
55:36you're dead and you're dead [ __ ]
55:38That's what keeps ringing
55:41through my mind, my head. Those were
55:45those were the words that freaked me the
55:48[ __ ] out to to Okay, pardon. And and and
55:52so that that's where we're at. And um
55:55that's and this unfortunately uh I mean
55:57this is where this is this is where
55:59we're at right now.
56:01Um, you'll be they'll process you here
56:04first, but I'm not sure how long it's
56:06going to take you before they'll they
56:07got to go through all
56:09the all that kind of stuff, but you you
56:12will be brought back to to Duvall
56:14County. Okay. Um, and it go like I say,
56:18it goes from there. This, like I said,
56:20this is a start. Is there any
56:21opportunity to bail? There's no bond.
56:24There's no bond on a on a murder charge
56:26in Dubal County. Yeah. It's just it's
56:29standard.
56:30They just don't they don't allow it.
56:32Right. Is it automatic that it's a
56:33murder charge when it's self-defense?
56:36We I'll explain to you how it works on
56:38our end. We do our investigation. We get
56:40our facts. We have
56:43a prosecutor from the state attorney's
56:45office with us who sees all the facts,
56:48sees the case. We confer with state
56:50attorney's office say these are the
56:52these are what we have as facts of this
56:54case. and they determine yes, you have
56:57we believe there's enough to issue an
56:59arrest warrant at this point based off
57:00the evidence we have and that's why we
57:02obtain an arrest warrant based off what
57:05we have. Okay. Now, you also, you know,
57:09just saying
57:10it's that's why we need to come and talk
57:14to you and find out what your side is.
57:17Okay. But we just now did that. You
57:20know, the
57:21past such and such last night, this
57:24morning, you know, we haven't had that
57:26opport we hadn't had that opportunity to
57:28speak with you. Okay.
57:33Um, any other questions for me or
57:35anything I can try and answer for you?
57:36I'm going to go out. We're going to do
57:38um if
57:40poss, but if possible, I'd like to use
57:42the restroom. I'm sure they can. We'll
57:44we'll get the guys to arrange it for
57:46you. Absolutely. All right. And then um
57:50um I I I really didn't know that I was
57:53being charged with murder and attempted
57:55murder. That sucks. Uh I would like to
58:01talk to an attorney. I don't have one.
58:02Okay. And what happens is if you don't
58:05you'll go to I assume here you'll go to
58:07court tomorrow is what they do. They'll
58:09have you go to like a first appearance
58:11basically that you've been charged and
58:13you'll be assigned at least a public
58:14defender to begin with. So you'll
58:17they'll have counsel provided for you.
58:18Remember the rights I read you. If you
58:19can't afford an attorney, one will be
58:20appointed for you. Yes, I I can afford
58:22it. I just don't have one and you'll you
58:25have time to make that decision. I don't
58:26know any phone numbers. It's all in my
58:29phone and
58:31but that
58:32um you'll have you'll be able to get
58:36ample time to figure that out. Okay. I'm
58:40sorry we had to meet under these
58:41circumstances. Um me me too. I mean, if
58:44there is
58:45um you know, there's probably about five
58:48things I could have gotten done
58:49differently last night, but
58:52uh it's unfortunate it turned out the
58:55way it did. Okay. Well, I'll get with
58:58the guys here and we'll get you in use
59:00the restroom for you. Okay.
59:19We're going to transport you up to the
59:20jail.
59:21Okay. Finish
59:25order. Just hold on. They'll tell you
59:27what they want you
59:32to pockets real
59:38quick. Put your hands on your back for
59:40me.
59:47They had to put another pair in between
59:49them before,
59:50but
1:00:02however, following the interrogation,
1:00:05Michael Dunn was later arrested and
1:00:07charged with first-degree murder,
1:00:08attempted murder, and firing into an
1:00:10occupied vehicle. In 2014, a jury
1:00:14convicted him on four counts, three for
1:00:16attempted murder and one for firing into
1:00:18a vehicle. A year later, he was
1:00:20convicted of the murder of Jordan Davis
1:00:22and sentenced to life in prison without
1:00:24the possibility of parole. The case
1:00:27sparked national conversations about
1:00:29race, gun laws, and the limits of
1:00:31self-defense. What do you think about
1:00:33the verdict and Dun's actions that
1:00:35night? Let us know in the comments
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