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0:00So, where where we at on this? I mean,
0:02I'm being accused of murder here of my
0:04of my own wife.
0:06>> Is that what you're doing?
0:08>> We have a warrant for your arrest.
0:09>> For what?
0:10>> For murder.
0:17>> In February 2024, Nancy Lafleur was
0:20living with her husband Shawn at a
0:23remote campsite near [music] Dog Canyon
0:24in Otto County, New Mexico. The couple
0:28had moved to the area months earlier and
0:30Shawn had already been arrested [music]
0:32following a domestic disturbance
0:34involving his wife. But in February,
0:36Nancy was killed [music] and nearly 2
0:39months would pass before authorities
0:41learned what had happened. In [music]
0:43April, two men staying near Oliver Lee
0:46State Park contacted the New Mexico
0:48State Police. One of them told
0:50investigators he had seen Shawn digging
0:53near the campsite [music]
0:54and had also seen NY's body.
0:57Following their information, [music]
0:59investigators searched the area and
1:00discovered NY's remains wrapped in
1:02[music] a tarp and buried in a shallow
1:04grave. 4 days later, state troopers
1:08located Shawn parked along the Sunspot
1:10[music] Highway just outside
1:11Cloudcraftoft, New Mexico, and took him
1:14into custody. Investigators [music]
1:16now needed to determine exactly what had
1:18happened at the remote campsite, [music]
1:20how Nancy ended up buried in the desert,
1:23and what Shawn knew about her death.
1:25This is the [music] interrogation of
1:27Shan Castain Lafleur.
1:31We'll go ahead for you, too. He's going
1:33to go through the front, right?
1:38Soon as you feel the pressure this cuff
1:39release, please top your head, please.
1:40You watch that arm up here.
1:46>> Okay. Take this one off.
1:51Help you out there.
1:57Just be real.
1:59>> Yeah.
1:59>> Yeah. I didn't mean to do that earlier.
2:01Just trying to get
2:06>> there. Is that good?
2:08>> Okay.
2:12>> What's wrong with yours? Are they broken
2:13or what?
2:14>> No, it's radiator. I'll go radiator.
2:17>> You need an ambulance.
2:18>> You want straight outside?
2:19>> You need an ambulance or anything?
2:20>> What?
2:20>> You need an ambulance?
2:21>> No. 3 weeks old.
2:22>> Okay.
2:23I needed one in.
2:26>> It was um finish the
2:30Okay,
2:32>> all right, [ __ ]
2:34>> So, uh we I need to talk to you about
2:38your your dog. Um is there
2:40>> Can I sign her over to the state,
2:42please?
2:42>> No,
2:43>> she she's actually a really good dog.
2:45>> We could we can figure something out
2:46about that. Um
2:47>> I mean, she's
2:48>> Well, do you know anybody? Well, before
2:50before I ask you anything, uh yeah, I I
2:52trying to figure out what to do with
2:53your dog. Um but before I even ask you
2:56about that, let me just read you your
2:57rights real quick. Uh you have the right
2:59to remain silent. Anything you say can
3:01will be used against you in the court of
3:03law. You have the right to talk to an
3:04attorney and have them present during
3:06questioning. U you cannot afford an
3:08attorney. One will be provided for you
3:10at government expense before any
3:12questions. If you wish, you can decide
3:14at any time to exercise these rights.
3:17uh not answer any questions or make any
3:19statements. If you decide to answer
3:21questions, you may stop answering
3:22questions at any time to consult with an
3:24attorney. Uh do you understand what I've
3:26told you?
3:26>> Mhm.
3:27>> Okay. Uh do you understand each of these
3:29rights I have explained to you?
3:31>> Yes, I do.
3:32>> Okay. Having these rights in mind, do
3:33you wish to talk to us now?
3:35>> About what?
3:37>> Well, my dog.
3:38>> For one thing, your dog. And then uh
3:40Well, do you do you agree to talk to us
3:43now? I I need to say yes or no.
3:48I don't understand what this is about.
3:50>> Okay. Well, I I just need yes or no.
3:52>> Yeah.
3:54>> That's just how we do it.
3:55>> Oh, that's kind of that's kind of a dumb
3:57question. You're reading them a random
3:58right tell me I'm under arrest. Tell me
4:00what I'm under arrest for.
4:01>> Well, I am Am I under arrest or not?
4:03>> Yes. Yes, you are. You're in custody.
4:04>> No, this is being detained. You're
4:05sitting under arrest.
4:06>> You're under arrest
4:07>> for what?
4:07>> I'll tell you in here in a second. I
4:09just want to know if you're not the way
4:10the law works.
4:11>> Okay.
4:11>> Well, you're not going to tell me the
4:12law works. I'm asking you a question.
4:16>> I'm asking you a question. It's a simple
4:17yes or no.
4:18>> That's it. If you say no,
4:20>> I'll talk to you about anything you want
4:21to talk to, but you're not you're not
4:23you're
4:24>> Well, I can't explain any I can't tell
4:26you anything until you give me a yes or
4:27no. That's it. That's it.
4:31>> So, do you have warrants for your
4:33arrest? Active warrants?
4:34>> I know that. That's why I'm here. That's
4:35why I'm saying good deal. So, whatever.
4:37But
4:38>> you say he just read me my Miranda
4:40rightites. The only time you read
4:41somebody Miranda means you're under
4:43arrest. If I'm under arrest and you you
4:45have the legal right to tell me what I'm
4:46going to arrest for,
4:47>> but even though you're Yeah, I just told
4:48you and even No,
4:49>> you're detaining me. There's a
4:51difference between detaining me and
4:52arresting me.
4:53>> Right. So,
4:54>> I know the law very well. I spent 15
4:56years in history. I've studied it every
4:57day. Okay. So, the reason I'm being
5:00evasive with you right now is you're not
5:03following procedure as far as the
5:05criminal law goes.
5:07>> So, I just told you you have a warrant
5:08for your arrest.
5:09>> I know.
5:10>> Yeah. Out of Arkansas, man. And you
5:12know, we're not trying to, you know,
5:13play this game or anything, but you have
5:14a warrant out of your arrest for out of
5:16Arkansas.
5:16>> Okay.
5:16>> And then you also have a warrant here
5:18out of Otto County for aggravated
5:19fleeing. Okay.
5:20>> For what?
5:21>> Aggravated fleeing from Otto County. So,
5:24so that's
5:24>> aggravated fleeing.
5:25>> Yeah. So, those are just the warrants
5:27that offer your arrest. We didn't work
5:28that case. We're not a part of that.
5:30>> Aggravated fleeing.
5:31>> Yeah. Like running from the cops in a
5:33vehicle.
5:37>> So, I'm just letting you know what we
5:38know, what the warrants are acting like.
5:39You're ring for no cops and no vehicle.
5:42>> Okay. Well, I'm just letting you know
5:43that's why you're
5:46>> that's the reason why we're here that
5:48you do have those warrant out for your
5:49arrests. Okay.
5:50>> Is that fleeing that felony?
5:53>> Yeah.
5:54>> Oh, come on, man. I
5:55>> So, before you and we want to talk to
5:57you about your dog and what's going to
5:59happen from there,
6:00>> but you know, he advises you Miranda
6:01rights.
6:02>> Yeah. I just make it clear. We didn't
6:03charge you with aggra flink. It was
6:05another agency at the sheriff's office.
6:07>> So, we have nothing to do with that
6:08part. So,
6:11so that's So, I just raised your rights.
6:13I'm just It's
6:14>> You have to remember my rights. You have
6:16to also tell me what I'm Okay. It's like
6:18illegal illegal detainment.
6:20>> Okay. You can't detain somebody.
6:25>> And then not charge them on something.
6:26Not tell what's the charges for the
6:28arrest warrant. You're under arrest
6:29because you have arrest warrant. That's
6:31why you're under arrest.
6:33>> Okay. So, what?
6:34>> Okay. There you go. That's why you're
6:35under arrest.
6:38You have arrest warrant so you're under
6:39arrestment deal.
6:43>> Okay. And yeah, we have some questions.
6:45You know, obviously about
6:46>> I'm not answering nothing because you're
6:48not being straightforward with me. Okay.
6:52I think I think there's some [ __ ]
6:53going on. Just like you're telling me
6:54aggravated fleeing. Okay. I've never ran
6:57from nobody here in this in this county.
6:59I mean I I sold a vehicle to a guy,
7:04right? Never did pay me for it. You took
7:06my vehicle, stole my stuff. It had all
7:08my IDs, everything in it. It's my phone,
7:10everything in it. Okay. Now, I'm putting
7:13two and two together. That has something
7:14to do with it. Yeah, maybe so. But I
7:17ain't ran from nobody.
7:19>> Like I said, we didn't charge you with
7:20that. That was
7:22>> Who charged me?
7:23>> We're state police. The sheriff's office
7:24charged that. Oh,
7:26>> no. They charged some They charged some
7:27Well, it might be You can charge me
7:28anything you want to. Okay.
7:32>> Okay.
7:34All
7:40right. So, we're going to go back to the
7:41holding. Okay.
7:42>> You want behind?
7:43>> Yeah. I'm just behind you real quick.
7:49>> Okay.
8:10That's what happened in
8:13guaranteed.
8:20>> Well, obviously, you know, there's if
8:22there's some something you want to talk
8:24about, you know, tell us some of those
8:26things, then we can talk, right? But you
8:28have to agree,
8:29>> man. Look, here here's my situation.
8:31Number one, okay, I'm worried about the
8:34state in Arkansas, okay? The only reason
8:35why I did 15 years out of that actual
8:37county, okay, they tried to charge me
8:39with burglary or breaking entering when
8:42I took two steps into somebody's house
8:44as well as
8:46I was just looking for somebody. You
8:48know what I'm saying? I thought they
8:48were actually having a conversation.
8:50They gonna charge me breaking entering.
8:52That's not breaking an entry. And trying
8:53to give me another uh five or six years
8:55on top of that, right? So then I come
8:58out here and then all these crazy ass
9:01people and here me me just trying to
9:03live my life. You know what I mean? On
9:04the run. Yeah. But I was just doing the
9:07best that I possibly could.
9:09>> But I mean there's just a lot of really
9:11[snorts]
9:12crazy psycho people out here. You know
9:14what I'm saying?
9:15>> That's one of the warrants that you have
9:18out of Arkansas.
9:19>> Yeah, I know.
9:19>> They're going to take you back somehow.
9:21>> I made $170,000 bond. I know what it is.
9:23>> Okay. All right. Well, um,
9:26>> but this just fleeing stuff though,
9:29aggravated fleeing. I mean, I have not a
9:31clue what the [ __ ] that is.
9:32>> Us either. It's the sheriff's office had
9:35it, so we're just going to serve it.
9:37>> Well, this I put two and two together.
9:38This is what I'm thinking. Said, well,
9:39how would they how long did you think it
9:41would be me, right? And I'm sitting here
9:43thinking, well, I bought a van to
9:46resell. And then the guy had my stuff in
9:48the guy said, well, blah blah blah blah
9:50blah. I said, "Okay, well," and I forgot
9:51and I left my cell phone in it and I
9:53left my my ID in it, my all my stuff in
9:55it.
9:56>> And so, I'm putting two and two
9:58together. I'm thinking that's that's
10:00probably what happened cuz there's no
10:01other way I've been in the vehicle
10:03except for when I bought this vehicle
10:05here.
10:05>> Yeah.
10:05>> A couple months ago. And I've I've not
10:07left that vehicle.
10:09>> I'm a little confused. So, you say you
10:10don't want to talk to us, but you're
10:11talking to
10:12>> Well, I'm talking to you about stuff.
10:14You know, you're not telling me. You're
10:16telling You're telling me I'm being
10:17arrested for a warrant. You can't arrest
10:19somebody for a warrant, man. You can
10:20pick them up on warrant. So, there's no
10:22sense in you reading my Miranda if
10:23you're picking me up on warrant.
10:26>> That makes sense.
10:26>> I know you had a wedding ring on.
10:27>> It's not a wedding ring. It's a Christ
10:29ring. It's on my right hand. Oh,
10:30>> okay.
10:31>> It says 4 on it.
10:32>> Very well. So, you're not married,
10:34>> huh?
10:34>> You're not married yet?
10:35>> I am married.
10:36>> Where's your wife?
10:37>> You tell me. Good question. And now we
10:40stop here.
10:41>> Okay.
10:41>> Because she's probably done got some
10:42[ __ ] stupid that she's a drunk
10:44crackhead [ __ ]
10:46>> Okay. And I'm not going to deal with
10:47same [ __ ] with this stupid van. I'm not
10:49going to deal with any other [ __ ] she's
10:51got into or whatever.
10:53>> Is she Is she a missing person or what?
10:55>> Is she a what?
10:55>> Is she a missing person or what?
10:57>> I don't know where she at. She ain't a
10:58missing person. I've known her for 23
11:00years.
11:01>> Did you report her?
11:02>> She's missing. You're fishing. See,
11:04she's done something stupid.
11:06>> Okay.
11:07>> And I'm not I'm not I'm not responsible
11:08for what she does.
11:09>> Did you report her missing, though?
11:10>> Why would I? She's not missing.
11:13>> Well, where is she?
11:14>> Now you're asking me questions. Yeah.
11:15And you just asked me. Okay.
11:18>> Mhm.
11:18>> All right.
11:20Now you're asking me questions and I
11:22told you no.
11:23>> So
11:24>> you don't have to answer them. I mean,
11:26you're confusing me.
11:27>> I'll tell you this. I'll tell you this.
11:29She She She's not missing. She's
11:31somewhere smoking crack somewhere or
11:33drinking or whatever. Okay. Doing her
11:35little [ __ ] thing. She's done this
11:36for the last 23 years. So whatever.
11:40>> So
11:41>> she's not a missing person, man. She's,
11:43you know, and is that's what this is
11:45about.
11:46>> I mean, we're just talking. I'm just I
11:48thought I saw a wedding ring.
11:49>> Why would you Why would you It's not a
11:50wedding ring. There were one in my right
11:52hand.
11:52>> Why would you ask me? I thought that's
11:54what going for Donnie Donnie and these
11:57[ __ ] He He's a He's He's all
12:00the They're gay. They're [ __ ] sexual
12:02kind of [ __ ] And they were causing
12:04problems between me and Nancy and
12:06everything. This has been back months
12:08ago, right?
12:09>> Yeah.
12:09>> And want me to have an affair with him
12:11and all this kind of stuff. and he was
12:13trying to get him straight. That's
12:14that's that's what I fear about. Me and
12:16Na don't fight. We never did. We never
12:18had fall. Never got in an argument.
12:20Maybe once or twice. You know what I'm
12:21saying? I'm not whatever.
12:22>> Yeah.
12:23>> But she drank. She passed out in the
12:25Walmart parking lot. They took her to
12:27the [ __ ] hospital. She gave him a
12:29fake name. I couldn't find her for two
12:31or three days. Okay. Finally, when I did
12:33find her, she comes back, does the same
12:35thing over and over again. So she is she
12:38has a emmo of just disappearing, jumping
12:41out of the car, leaving everything in
12:42the car. She left her glasses, her
12:44wallet, cell phone. This time she's got
12:46her cell phone with her and I figured
12:47I'd hear from her, but I hadn't heard
12:49from her in a couple months. But she
12:50she'll pop back up on Facebook or
12:52whatever. Come get me. I'm in North
12:54Carolina. I'm in Florida. I'm in
12:56Mississippi. Whatever. And my dumb ass
12:58goes and gets her.
12:59>> Okay.
13:00>> So does she like just hit shakes or
13:01what? How does she get rid
13:04>> [ __ ] Okay.
13:06So, when's the last time you saw her?
13:09Uh,
13:10>> February,
13:12end of February. End of February.
13:14>> Did you have a phone number or anything?
13:17>> I do have a phone number. I did have a
13:18phone number and I tried to call it and
13:21it was a straight talk phone, just a
13:22burner phone.
13:23>> I was trying to contact her on Facebook
13:25and everything. She But she does this
13:27all the time, man. I've dealt with this
13:28the last six years
13:29>> on and off. I mean, it's just, you know
13:32what I'm saying?
13:32>> Do you have her number memorized or
13:34anything? Do you know it?
13:36No.
13:37>> Does she have any friends in the area
13:38that she might be with?
13:39>> Not here. No.
13:41>> Okay. Is it just you? Is it just you two
13:43then?
13:44>> Just me and her. We traveled all over
13:45this country. She stole a van in Phoenix
13:48u $150,000 for van and uh we traveled
13:51all over Arizona.
13:53>> Okay. and uh she got popped there and
13:57they only charged her with a misdemeanor
13:59and u
14:01she's just crazy and she goes off
14:04missing and stuff like that. You know
14:05it's just does it all the time. It's no
14:07big deal to me.
14:09>> Yeah.
14:09>> But this time I'm not going to take her
14:11back though.
14:12>> Okay.
14:12>> I mean I don't think I will anyway.
14:15>> What?
14:16>> I got [ __ ] to deal with in Arkansas now.
14:18So she she ruled in Tennessee what? Two
14:20years ago, three years ago. And uh I
14:23pulled up the gas station. She was
14:24drinking 100 proof and she jumps out the
14:27front leaves everything in the truck,
14:29glasses, everything. I mean, cell phone,
14:31everything. Well, for two days, I'm
14:33running around West Memphis. You got 12
14:35different precincts in West Memphis. I
14:37called every one of them looking for
14:39her. And so, finally, I did find her at
14:41a warming center. Um like a not a
14:44shelter, but like a warming center
14:45during the winter time. So, I was
14:47working with a girl through that. Then I
14:48get arrested. They arrest me for DUI for
14:51falling sleep at the steering wheel of
14:52the truck. So I go to jail for what 30
14:5535 40 days or whatever and get out. And
14:58then uh I finally she finds me on
15:01Facebook and uh I lose my truck. I lose
15:03her. It's I get tired but it's because
15:05of her drinking and drugging is what
15:07it's because of. You know what I'm
15:09saying? Yeah.
15:10>> She gets old, man.
15:11>> Okay. So you're just done with her?
15:15>> I
15:16take her back. I mean, if she quit
15:18drinking, she go to rehab.
15:22>> Okay.
15:22>> You know, if she quit drinking and quit
15:24lying to me about, you know, I call her
15:26cheating on me, you know, that kind of
15:27[ __ ] I mean, it's I I mean, I didn't
15:30catch [clears throat] her red-handed,
15:31but I mean, I know what she was doing.
15:34I'm not stupid.
15:34>> So, where's the last place you saw her?
15:36>> Walmart parking lot or right there
15:39behind Walmart parking lot. The Wendy's
15:41or whatever.
15:42>> Okay.
15:43>> She
15:45I went inside. Well, she had been
15:47drinking. She couldn't even stand up. I
15:48don't know where she went.
15:51>> And you mentioned something a bit ago
15:52about the You say or what did you say?
15:56>> Yeah. Last I think name is Donald.
15:59>> And what what's his name?
16:00>> He just he's gay and his partner is gay
16:03and they're into this really crazy sex
16:05stuff or whatever.
16:06>> Yeah.
16:06>> And he kept causing problems for me, but
16:08I think she liked him. I don't know if
16:10they were having a
16:12trrist or whatever they called or
16:13whatever.
16:14>> Okay. But I had a sneaky suspicion that
16:16that's kind of what it was. You know
16:18what I'm saying? I don't really know.
16:20But I mean, he caused all kind of
16:22problems for me. See, she had her on her
16:23phone, her phone and my phone were like
16:25clones. You know, we use, you know,
16:28Google voice and everything. So, she'd
16:30be talking to him and he thinks that he
16:32was talking to me and she be, you know
16:35what I'm saying? It'd be like all this
16:37[ __ ] involved, you know? I'm like, I
16:40didn't never say that, man. I said, who
16:41what are you talking about? He's like,
16:43well, you said this. I said I said, "No,
16:45that wasn't me. I'm sorry." Cuz we use
16:48the same Google account.
16:50>> Okay.
16:51>> So, anyway, it was just some just some
16:53crazy stuff. So, and I had a sneaking
16:55suspicion that u he he was going to try
16:58to, you know, cause some problems with
17:02her anyway. But
17:03>> what's what's the longest like do you
17:05you have what's the longest time like
17:08you like has Nancy like just left you?
17:11[clears throat]
17:11>> About 6 months.
17:12>> Six months. Six months.
17:14>> Where did Where did like she uh Where
17:16did you find her?
17:17>> Mississippi.
17:20>> Okay.
17:20>> Three months. She was actually She was
17:22right there in Memphis. Um there's a Oh,
17:26sorry.
17:26>> There was a um damn what do you call
17:29that? It's not a monastery.
17:31It's like a monastery though. She was in
17:33West Memphis at a monastery. She stayed
17:35there for about 3 months and I thought
17:37she was going to be clean then.
17:39>> Okay.
17:40>> But um she was in Hattisburg,
17:42Mississippi. She was gone for about
17:43about 5 months.
17:45>> Okay.
17:45>> Yeah. And I was in Arkansas still at the
17:47time.
17:48>> Okay.
17:50Okay. So,
17:53if if let's say we wanted to talk to
17:55Nancy, where where would you where could
17:58we find her?
17:59>> I wouldn't have a clue. Her kids won't
18:01have nothing to do with her because of
18:02this the drinking and drugging. She
18:04burned that bridge with her kids. So,
18:06her kids just basically kicked her out
18:09and told her, "Don't ever come back.
18:10Don't call her." brother did the same
18:12thing.
18:13>> Okay.
18:13>> No one have anything to do with her.
18:15>> Now, do you guys like rent a house out
18:17here or how how are you
18:18>> No, I was we were trying to buy a
18:19property in Tibon.
18:20>> Okay.
18:21>> And I'm just trying to save up some
18:22money to do that. I mean, it's just it's
18:24been a struggle, man. When like I said,
18:25I had I bought that van to resell it and
18:28the guy kind of slowed me on it and kind
18:29of he gave me a little bit of money down
18:31and then drove off on the van while I
18:33left everything in the van.
18:34>> Okay. So, I lost that. That was my
18:37fault. And then um we just rent
18:40up on the mountain, you know, just kind
18:42of
18:43>> Are you like like where you in a tent?
18:46You in your car? Are you in a rental
18:48house? Like where?
18:49>> I I had a nice tent.
18:50>> Okay.
18:51>> Is your tent in your car or do you have
18:53it set up somewhere still?
18:54>> No, it's it's I sold it.
18:56>> You sold it? Okay.
18:57>> Yeah, it's it's gone. I just just I I do
18:59really good just in the car by myself.
19:01Just me and gone.
19:02>> So do do you have like a campsite set up
19:04right now somewhere or you just in the
19:05car? I just travel all over all over the
19:07mountain. It's national forest, man.
19:09>> Okay.
19:10>> Yeah.
19:10>> So, when you when they uh the agents up
19:12there when they made contact with you
19:14today, you're just in your car.
19:15>> I was just I just got there so I can use
19:17cell phone service.
19:18>> Got it. Okay.
19:18>> That's the only spot you have cell phone
19:19service. Once once you get past this
19:21part all the way to Toron, you don't
19:22have any cell phone service.
19:23>> It's all dead zone out there.
19:24>> Dead zone.
19:25>> Yeah. So, you don't have like your tent
19:26set up anywhere in the forest anywhere
19:28right now?
19:29>> No. Okay.
19:29>> I don't have a tent anymore.
19:30>> You don't have the tent? Okay.
19:33>> Okay. Um
19:36um so what was Nancy doing at the
19:38Walmart last time you saw her?
19:40>> We were in the car drinking.
19:42>> Okay.
19:42>> I I was drinking beer. She was drinking
19:44vodka.
19:45>> Okay.
19:46>> I think we went to check we went to we
19:47went to Walmart to return a heater. A
19:50propane heater and come down off the
19:52mountain and get groceries and return a
19:53propane heater cuz it was getting warm.
19:55Plus I had another propane heater.
19:56>> Okay. [snorts]
19:57>> She wanted something to drink. I said,
19:58"Okay." So we came down and that's when
20:01she started drinking and she she'd be
20:04fine one second and next second she'd be
20:06like
20:08talking crazy [ __ ] and just go off the
20:11ride man. You know what I mean?
20:12>> Yeah.
20:13>> Yeah. Real bad to the point to where she
20:16scared me to the point I I really get
20:19worried. You know I think then then she
20:21just said I went I went inside the
20:23windows and I come back out and she's
20:24gone. Okay.
20:25>> And I figured I'd find her. I drove
20:27around the parking lot and I looked
20:28around and everything and I couldn't
20:29find her. Typically when that happens,
20:31she go somewhere and pass out and I come
20:33back the next day or whatever and I came
20:36back the next day and I couldn't find
20:38her. I came back the next day and
20:39couldn't find her. I said, "Well, and I
20:41asked around. I asked the home like Mike
20:42and all them over there and hang out in
20:44there." I asked them, I said, "You know,
20:47have you seen her?" And they said, "No,
20:48we ain't seen her." I said, "Okay." But
20:51that's twice she's she's done that at
20:53Walmart parking lot around Walmart
20:54parking lot. The first time I said she
20:56took the dog and went out to hang a sign
20:58right there to make some money so she
20:59could drink over Walmart and come back
21:02out. She's passed out on the ground. The
21:05ambulance is there. Ambulance picked her
21:07up and bring her to the hospital. Twice
21:08that happened. The first time I mean the
21:10second time she had a stroke.
21:12>> Okay.
21:13>> And they put her in the hospital
21:13[clears throat] for like 10 days.
21:15>> Was that here?
21:16>> That was here. Right here. Yeah,
21:18>> for sure.
21:19>> You can check that one out.
21:21>> Okay. Okay.
21:22>> Did you guys ever get like physically
21:23>> physical each other like fight each
21:25other, fist fight, anything like that?
21:27>> Never.
21:28>> Has 91 like either one of you guys
21:30called 911 at each other or anything
21:31like that?
21:32>> She that one time we was staying over
21:33there. That's why I went to the jail for
21:35over here. She called which she she
21:37didn't call. We were staying in the tent
21:39behind some lady's house and she was
21:40drinking again and she starts starts
21:44raing around. Lady comes out goes what's
21:45wrong? I say she's just intoxicated.
21:47She'll be okay. And she called the
21:49police and obviously the police get
21:51there and say, "What's going on?"
21:53They think I'm doing something. Of
21:55course, I had one stop for you like
21:58you can look up that report, too. She
22:00was They took her to the hospital that
22:02night.
22:04>> Yeah. Okay. I know you somewhere. You
22:08look familiar.
22:09>> From where?
22:10>> I don't know.
22:11>> I get that.
22:12>> It's like You get that a lot. Maybe it's
22:13from like TV or something. You know what
22:15I mean?
22:15>> Yeah. I know. I get that.
22:16>> You You look really familiar.
22:18>> Yeah.
22:19Sean?
22:20>> No. Um, do you have do you have any
22:24firearms?
22:24>> Nope.
22:25>> Does she?
22:27>> I don't know.
22:29>> Have you ever seen her with one?
22:31[clears throat]
22:31>> Been years probably.
22:33>> She did. She had she had one in
22:34Arkansas.
22:35>> Okay.
22:36>> And that's that's the last I know she
22:37has 9 mm. She had a t G32 something like
22:41that. But I think she's I'm pretty sure
22:43she saw that back to the pawn shop. She
22:45bought it from
22:46>> Okay. back. No, she did.
22:48>> Okay.
22:50All right. Um,
22:53>> I'm tell you I'm going tell you where
22:54this is going. This I understand where
22:56and I'm I'm pretty smart. I mean, I'm
22:59not boasting or anything like that, but
23:01I see where it's going because I was
23:03already told that someone called you and
23:06told about a missing person's report or
23:08some [ __ ] like that or do I already know
23:10that. Okay. My intel already told me
23:12that.
23:12>> Okay.
23:13>> Okay. And I know who it was.
23:15>> Okay.
23:16So, I already knew what she was fixing
23:17to ask me before I even walked in here.
23:19>> Okay. And what I'm trying to tell you is
23:22is that Nancy
23:24is doing her own [ __ ] thing until she
23:27gets ready
23:29to not do it anymore and contact me. And
23:33just like every other time, now I'm
23:34going to jail. Now she can't contact me.
23:36So now, who knows? You know what I'm
23:38saying? But I mean, I've been deal I've
23:40known for 23 years.
23:43And this is her that's her info and
23:44that's what she does.
23:46>> Are you being truthful with us?
23:48>> Are you being truthful with us?
23:49>> Absolutely.
23:53>> Well, I mean, I'm doing an
23:55investigation.
23:56>> I understand that.
23:56>> Okay. And so for
23:58>> there's nothing to investigate unless
24:00you go find an old drunk crackhead.
24:02>> What if I What if I were to tell you I
24:04did find her?
24:05>> I Where she What say she in?
24:10>> The rock garden. Where the [ __ ] a rock
24:12garden?
24:15>> She's wrapped in a tarp.
24:16>> Huh?
24:17>> She was buried under a tarp. Just
24:19outside.
24:20>> Buried under a tarp. What are you
24:21talking about?
24:21>> Just outside the Oliver Lee State Park.
24:23>> Huh?
24:24>> At the campsite.
24:25>> It's a state park.
24:27>> Mhm.
24:29>> What state park?
24:31>> Oliver Lee.
24:32>> Just outside the uh
24:34>> Oliver State Park.
24:35>> Yeah.
24:36>> Area
24:36>> on the French brothers property.
24:39>> You're full of [ __ ] the the same the
24:42same area you were camping over when the
24:43deputy made contact with you about
24:44trespassing on the French brothers
24:46property.
24:47>> I was the only one out there that
24:48camping now.
24:50>> I have you trying to you trying to say
24:53how
24:54>> I didn't say you're bullshitting me.
24:56>> I didn't say nothing. I'm just asking
24:58you about Nancy
24:59>> wrecked in a char.
25:02No [ __ ] way.
25:06>> She's dead. She's dead.
25:07>> No way.
25:09No way. I got followed by ID.
25:11>> I don't believe it. I don't believe it.
25:15I don't believe it. No way.
25:18>> Well, I if if if there's no way how
25:27this [ __ ]
25:36There's no way, dude. So, I spoke with
25:39Michael McDonald. That's NY's son.
25:45>> Dude, I don't I don't believe words.
25:47>> Okay, that's fine. You don't have to.
25:48But I'm telling you, this is what is
25:51happening.
25:52>> Well, I'm just telling you
25:55there's no way.
25:58No way.
26:00>> How long you been married to Nancy? For
26:02>> six years.
26:03>> And how long were you with her before
26:04that?
26:06I've known for twins for years. I mean,
26:08on and off.
26:09>> Where'd you guys meet?
26:10>> Huh?
26:11>> Where did you guys meet at?
26:22>> I'm sure she meant a lot to you.
26:24>> What? What? What is this?
26:26>> I've been known somebody for 23 years.
26:29>> I don't I don't believe this [ __ ] man.
26:30I I don't believe what you tell me.
26:34>> Okay.
26:35You don't have to believe me, but this
26:36is these are the facts.
26:48You guys have been living a hard life
26:50out there in the tents outside. I'm sure
26:53you've been through a lot, more than we
26:55even know, you know.
26:57>> Why don't you ask me?
27:03She was shot.
27:11We already had the autopsy.
27:15Three times in the head,
27:18buried in the tarp.
27:22Right where you guys were camping.
27:27We've talked with
27:30He told us everything.
27:32But she ain't tell you nothing about me.
27:36I'm sitting here thinking if anything
27:37had to do with he did
27:43[clears throat]
27:46I don't believe she's dead.
27:49There's no way she's not running around
27:51smoking crack somewhere, man. Drinking,
27:52dude.
27:57No way. She's gone. No way. Her kids
28:02already called the medical investigator.
28:04They're making arrangements to get the
28:05body back to her kids.
28:13Who?
28:18Man, if you're approaching I have
28:19anything to do with this man, you you
28:21got the wrong man.
28:24>> Who would be the right man?
28:26>> That's what I'm thinking about right
28:27now.
28:39can't she she can't man she can't be
28:41dead please can't this is [ __ ] right
28:45>> it's all missing
28:47>> sir
28:49>> so where was it
28:51>> I sworn
28:57>> so what the investigation you do this
28:58Uh-huh.
28:59>> We're with the investigations bureau.
29:01>> So, we've been, these are the types of
29:02investigations we do all the time,
29:04though.
29:04>> That's right.
29:05>> We, you know, all different types of
29:06things that we work, we did this over
29:08the years. Um, we've been working this
29:11case for a while. It's not something we
29:13just came on today. We've been building
29:15the investigation for a long time. So,
29:17we know what happened. You know,
29:20throwing you a bone here and letting you
29:21know.
29:22>> We're throwing you a bone here and
29:23letting you know. You know,
29:24>> I'm telling you right now, I I I really
29:26First of all, I don't believe you. I
29:28think This is just like too overwhelming
29:29for me.
29:31I mean, I I I kind of putting the pieces
29:33together. Like I told you, Don and and
29:36them him causing problems and all this
29:38kind of stuff and them having affairs.
29:40I'm telling you right now some this is
29:41some [ __ ]
29:43>> We're past all that.
29:45>> So you tell me
29:46>> we're past all that, Sean. That's why
29:48we're here talking with you. Well, I'm
29:50telling you right now, you can you can
29:52you can do whatever you need to do, but
29:54you got the wrong man if you trying to
29:55charge me with anything had to do with
29:57Nancy. I'm telling you, this is just
30:00crazy, man. I would have never thought
30:03to
30:08thank you.
30:10But it just makes me
30:14try to realize, you know,
30:18I can sit here and tell you I had a
30:19sneaky suspicion that she was fooling
30:21around with a guy that was saying out
30:22there and all this kind of stuff and
30:24them and all that having all this kind
30:26of stuff. I mean, I can't prove that.
30:29You know what I mean?
30:33Um,
30:36I can show you pictures. I mean, maybe I
30:38get pictures on my phone. I can show you
30:39pictures of her.
30:42I may have videos, too,
30:45her doing some crazy [ __ ] and stuff like
30:47that and saying she, you know, wasn't
30:49with this guy or wasn't with this guy,
30:52but um
30:54brother man.
30:57So, well, she's dead.
31:00>> Mhm.
31:01>> And you say somebody shot her?
31:03>> Mhm.
31:06>> Execution. Yep.
31:08>> But from from behind the head from
31:10behind.
31:10>> Mhm.
31:13>> Two on the left.
31:17>> You know what? They wasn't self
31:18flipping. She didn't do it herself.
31:20>> You can't shoot yourself in the back of
31:21the head three times.
31:22>> Well, I mean, I'm sorry I'm asking you.
31:23>> No.
31:26>> So,
31:28moving forward.
31:29>> Yeah.
31:29>> Um, I'm going to be applying for a
31:31search warrant for your vehicle. Is
31:32there anything else?
31:32>> I don't I give you full consent to
31:34search my vehicle. No, I I appreciate
31:37that, but I'm going to get a search
31:38warrant. You'll get a copy of those
31:39search warrant. It'll be tomorrow. Is
31:40there anything we're going to find?
31:42>> No. Other than her wallet and her ID and
31:44stuff, she's got duplicates.
31:45>> Okay.
31:45>> She left when she when she I'm telling
31:47you when she jumped out of the car, I
31:49can tell you she's done it a million
31:50times. She leave her glasses. She leave
31:51her. Only thing she took this time was a
31:53cell phone.
31:54>> Okay.
31:54>> That's it.
31:55>> At the Walmart. Is that where she
31:57jumped?
31:57>> Oh, it was behind the Walmart. You know
31:58the Wendy's is
32:00>> Yeah.
32:00>> You had a Wendy's right there. And it's
32:02like right there with those, you know,
32:03dump. We pulled in there. We was
32:04drinking a couple little shots of vodka.
32:06I saw I'm going to get something to eat.
32:08And she was like, you know, whatever. I
32:10come out the car. She go and for two
32:12days I look for it and I couldn't find
32:14her.
32:15>> And how long ago was that again?
32:17>> I want to say February. End of February.
32:20>> End of February.
32:22>> I mean, if you going to charge me, man,
32:24if you going to charge me for something,
32:25go ahead and charge me with it. But I'm
32:26telling you right now, you got the wrong
32:27man. I mean, you can put in much
32:29investigation if you want to and
32:31anything. Okay.
32:36I mean this
32:40it doesn't necessarily come as a big
32:42shock to me knowing the way that her
32:44lifestyle, the way she lived and you
32:46know deception and all this kind of
32:47stuff. It really doesn't but it does
32:49come to a shock to me.
32:51Very much so. And especially where you
32:54telling me she was and all her leave
32:57now that puts that was that
33:00>> was that your camp?
33:01>> No, I camp up in Bluff Springs. I mean,
33:03I have been down there a few times to
33:05Doll Canyon, but we stayed out there for
33:08a little while, but there was there was
33:10a couple I think suspicion it was a guy
33:12that had been out there before. That was
33:14a white van.
33:16That's a conversion van. So, I I have
33:19body cam footage of a deputy making
33:21contact with you on the French Brothers.
33:23>> Okay,
33:24>> that's that's what I'm talking about.
33:25It's the area I'm talking about right
33:26there. Right where your car and your
33:28tent was off to the side by the big
33:29tree.
33:30>> I camped on the other side. I'd actually
33:32put that tent there that that two nights
33:34before that. That wasn't my campsite. My
33:37campsite was the other side of the other
33:39way like on the other side of that
33:40ravine right there. Only reason why I
33:42came over there cuz it was a little bit
33:44away from where I was before. That
33:45campsite's been used by two or three
33:47people. And like I said, that guy in
33:49white.
33:52Okay.
33:55So, what are we where where we at now on
33:57this? Because this is I mean this is
33:59this is to me is a bunch of [ __ ] It
34:02seem like I'm I mean
34:04>> anything?
34:07>> Yeah.
34:09>> So, well, I really didn't promise you
34:11anything, but I'm going to keep my word.
34:12When I first started talking with you,
34:14uh I told you about your dog. Is there
34:17anybody that can come get your dog?
34:18>> No.
34:20>> So, where where we at on this? I mean,
34:22I'm being accused of murder here of of
34:24my own wife.
34:26Is that what you're doing?
34:28>> We have a warrant for your arrest
34:30>> for what? for murder.
34:33>> Murder tampering with evidence and
34:34possession of a firearm by a felon.
34:37>> How? What firearm? I haven't dealt with
34:39a firearm in 40 years.
34:41>> You're going to get a copy of all this
34:42and it explains everything we have as
34:45far as why you're getting charged. Okay.
34:47So, I'll give you a copy
34:48>> if you want to let us know.
34:50>> Brother, I'm telling you right now, I
34:51don't Okay, there's I haven't owned a
34:54firearm in 30 years.
34:59Okay. Okay. And you ask me, she owned a
35:00firearm. She has. She did. Okay. All
35:03right. You're telling me my wife's dead
35:05at at a campsite that a bunch of people
35:07have been out there using and stuff like
35:09that. I haven't been out there in two
35:11months,
35:12three months almost. You know what I
35:14mean? And you're telling me you're
35:16accusing me of this because some piece
35:18of paper?
35:19>> I mean, I typed this paper up.
35:21>> Okay. Well, then explain to me. Please
35:23tell me.
35:24>> I will give you a copy and you can read
35:25it. Uh, and it'll tell you everything I
35:29know.
35:29>> Well, tell me right now. Tell me what
35:30you know.
35:31>> I'm not going to read
35:31>> because I I'm telling you.
35:33>> I'm not going to read this.
35:34>> I knew this was going to read it. Go on.
35:35You can read it.
35:36>> Look, it's all there.
35:37>> If you want to talk about this, we can
35:38talk about this, right?
35:40>> I want I want to know why I'm being
35:42accused of murder when I had this is a
35:45You told me my wife's dead today.
35:47>> Mhm.
35:47>> Okay. That's a first I I a shock to me,
35:51which first of all, I didn't didn't
35:53believe you. I'm still kind of teeter
35:55totter on it. You know what I'm saying?
35:56Cuz I'm really not It's kind of a shock
35:58really. You know what I'm saying? But
36:01I don't I don't get it. Like I said, if
36:04you're going to get a whole copy of this
36:05guy here said he talk to me, I want I
36:07want you to talk to me. Tell me. We can
36:09talk to you, ask you some questions
36:11about the incident. You know,
36:13>> it Yeah. about the homicide,
36:16about what your wife.
36:18So, you know, I'll be really direct with
36:20you. Yeah.
36:21>> So, we know a lot more than we're
36:23sharing with you right now. Okay.
36:25>> Okay.
36:25>> And the the way we do this is we ask you
36:29questions.
36:29>> Yeah.
36:30>> And
36:31>> if your answers match what we have in
36:33the investigation
36:34>> and that's that's how we tell if people
36:36are being truthful or not.
36:37>> We know I'm being truthful with you
36:38100%.
36:39>> So, we know a whole lot more than
36:43you know.
36:46We found her body out there. We've
36:48talked some about everything. We talked
36:50to other people with everything. We know
36:52Mike was staying out there. You're on
36:53video at the campsite
36:56where her body was buried.
36:58Your vehicle has a leak out there. That
37:00Volkswagen.
37:01>> Yeah, THAT I MEAN I LISTEN, I TOLD YOU I
37:03CAMPED out there, but that so many other
37:05people, too. And you're sitting there
37:07trying to carry me, killing my wife.
37:08>> Listen, let me let me finish. Right.
37:10>> That's crazy.
37:11>> Let me finish real quick. So, you were
37:14out there not a few months ago. You were
37:16out there this month at that campsite on
37:19>> No, I was not. Absolutely not.
37:21>> You weren't there in April this year at
37:23that camp?
37:23>> April. This is April.
37:25>> Yeah, that's right.
37:25>> No, I haven't been there in over what,
37:28two months.
37:29>> I'm telling you, we got that on video.
37:31>> Oh, you talking about when the the the
37:32police officer, the sheriff's department
37:34there?
37:34>> Yes.
37:34>> Yeah. Well, I just got there that that
37:36night.
37:39>> Like I said, we know a whole lot more.
37:41And
37:42>> but just because I because I camped out
37:43there doesn't and there's a lot see
37:45that's that's where I'm at.
37:46>> So then let me
37:47>> All right.
37:49So when we went these investigations
37:52>> Yeah. I understand. Just hear me out
37:54Sean. I'll do some of the talking. Okay.
37:56So when we do these investigations,
37:59you know, like I said, three gunshots to
38:02the head. She's buried. We found her.
38:06She's going to get to rest now. The
38:07family's gonna put her, you know, give
38:09her a funeral that she deserves. She was
38:12your wife, right? You knew her for 23
38:15years.
38:15>> That's so hard for me to
38:16>> You've known her for 23 years. You guys
38:18are married,
38:20right? So, she's going to get the
38:22funeral that she deserves.
38:23>> I don't believe I did that.
38:25>> Hey, I don't want people to think, you
38:28know, you're cold blooded murderer.
38:29Things like that.
38:30>> Say that again.
38:31>> I don't want people to think you're a
38:32cold-blooded murderer, things like that.
38:34I know there's a reason for everything,
38:35right,
38:35>> dude? I ain't I've never anybody in my
38:37entire [ __ ] life would never even
38:39consider it.
38:41>> Okay, Sean, like I said, and I'm just,
38:45you know, I'm trying to be honest with
38:46you,
38:47>> you know,
38:48>> and talk to you about this.
38:49>> And here's the thing. I'm a Christian
38:51man.
38:54I know that Bible inside and out. Okay?
39:00And just because someone says something
39:03and someone puts something on a piece of
39:05paper doesn't make it true.
39:07And I told you when we started having
39:09this conversation where I put the pieces
39:11of the puzzle together and I told you
39:14who it was.
39:17Okay?
39:19>> And like I said, a person can say
39:21anything.
39:25person might know more than he should
39:26know based on something else. Might be
39:29trying to protect somebody else. You see
39:30what I'm saying? Put me
39:34I never thought that it would be that.
39:38You know what I'm saying? That she would
39:39actually push somebody to something. You
39:43know,
39:43>> we Okay, we're at this point now that
39:46the warrant for your arrest. Okay, we're
39:48we're way past that. Okay, we're we
39:51didn't just She wasn't just found. We're
39:53not saying
39:53>> Okay. So, let me ask you about bluffing
39:55on In order to have a conviction for
39:56murder. First of all, what's fire?
39:58>> Okay. You do you said you had a had a
40:00body and I'd like to find out who if you
40:03have any other leads on who you think it
40:05could be. Okay. That's what I'd like to
40:08know.
40:09>> Okay. The way just like I told you right
40:11now, the way we verify if people are
40:13being truthful with us,
40:14>> I don't care how you verify
40:16what we got in the investigation. Okay.
40:18We're way past all that. We've been
40:20working this case night and day for a
40:22long time now. All right.
40:24[clears throat]
40:24>> And we're at this point now where she's
40:26finally going to get to rest in peace
40:28and the family can bury her, right? This
40:29is your wife.
40:30>> I know you loved her at some point, you
40:32know, and you I'm sure
40:33>> I still do love her regardless. And I
40:35don't know what you you you're charging
40:38me with killing my wife and I and I have
40:41just
40:43the first I ever heard of it was
40:48I mean in the back of my mind I mean
40:49I've always thought that over the years.
40:51I've always thought that. You know what
40:52I mean? But not like this.
40:56>> There's a reason for everything. All
40:58right.
41:00And I'd like you to share that with us.
41:02Tell us
41:03>> tell what happened that night. It's a
41:05lot you're carrying a lot of weight
41:06you're carrying on your shoulders right
41:07now with this. You want to get this off
41:08your chest.
41:09>> Get what off my chest,
41:12>> Nancy?
41:14Man, this is the first I've heard it.
41:16You tell me Nancy was shot with
41:18three times in the head at a campsite
41:21that that I used to occupy.
41:25Okay. Or she was shot somewhere else and
41:27brought there or whatever. Do we know
41:28that? Do we know she stopped somewhere
41:31else and brought there?
41:33That's a good question.
41:35Every [snorts]
41:36>> pretty much all your questions are going
41:37to be answered by reading this.
41:39>> Okay.
41:39>> Okay. And just to make it clear, just
41:42because someone tells us something that
41:44this happened, we don't just based on
41:47that we're going to go arrest you. We we
41:49got to do an investigation, collect
41:52evidence, uh ver, you know, make sure we
41:55have everything correct before we even
41:57put paper because these are serious
41:58charges. We're not just going to
41:59>> Yeah, I know. [ __ ] We're just not going
42:00to throw paper on somebody just because
42:02someone told us something, you know.
42:03>> Right. Exactly. But but well, it's kind
42:04of what you're doing.
42:05>> Uh no, just read this and you'll see uh
42:08we have a lot more than just what
42:09somebody said. Okay. It's all in here.
42:11You're entitled to a copy. Um you'll get
42:14a copy. Okay.
42:16>> Like I said, we're way past that. I just
42:17don't want to have people see you as a
42:19cold blooded killer, man. All right.
42:21This is your
42:22>> Never killed I've never killed anything
42:24but live game and stuff out in the woods
42:26when I used to hunt
42:27>> years ago.
42:28This is your opportunity to turn up this
42:30right, man. Look, I'm telling you right
42:32now, the last time I saw Nancy was right
42:35over there at [ __ ] Wendy's, February,
42:37end of February, drunk as a scum, okay?
42:40And and she got in a van with who or
42:43whatever and went back out there at the
42:45Canyon. I went back up to the mountain.
42:47Okay? That's the last I've seen her.
42:51Haven't heard from her, haven't seen
42:52her. Don't know. And you sitting here
42:55telling me that she's dead.
42:59Did you kill?
43:00>> I mean, it was going to happen one day.
43:01I mean, she she the way she lived her
43:02life, I figured it was going I figured
43:04it would happen years ago.
43:06Somebody was going to do it, you know.
43:09>> Did you kill Nancy?
43:10>> No, I did not. Absolutely not. Had no
43:13reason to.
43:15I just wanted to go to rehab.
43:16>> When that deputy went to kick you off
43:18the French Brothers.
43:20>> Yeah.
43:20>> How long you had you been there?
43:22>> That night.
43:23>> Okay. So, when he made contact with you,
43:25it was at the daytime. Yeah.
43:27>> Okay. He So he
43:28>> and I left.
43:29>> Yeah.
43:29>> And then I I came back and I and I got
43:31the tent and I sold the tent to somebody
43:34that needed it.
43:34>> Okay. So what So during that day when
43:36the deputy came before you left, did you
43:38notice anything weird at the campsite?
43:40Like anything that wasn't there before?
43:42>> That really wasn't my campsite. That was
43:44just a lot of people camped there. In
43:46other words, my campsite. When you pass
43:48that tire, you go down past you go down
43:51past it a little ways long curve and
43:52there's two big mosqu trees right there.
43:54It's got a circle drive. That was my
43:56camp.
43:57I mean, I did stay on that one side over
43:59there for a little while, but not very
44:00long, though.
44:01>> But nothing out of the ordinary. You
44:02didn't notice anything?
44:03>> I didn't see anything out of the
44:04ordinary. Just a bunch of [ __ ] thrown
44:05around.
44:06>> Okay.
44:06>> Trash.
44:07>> So, all that trash is any of it yours?
44:09>> Some of it is, but I mean, I gave it to
44:11Mike. That one guy has a truck over
44:13there. He want, you know, control that
44:15[ __ ] But there was nothing out of the
44:16ordinary.
44:18>> Okay.
44:18>> I mean, like what what would you
44:21>> anything like if you camped there
44:22before? U
44:23>> Yeah. I mean, you know what's there for
44:26the most part, right? And then if you
44:27come back to camp, you might notice
44:28something different about notice. I
44:30didn't notice anything been any
44:32different.
44:34>> So, like, [clears throat] how how long
44:35total have you been staying there? Like,
44:37for a total amount of time, like
44:39>> Oh, [ __ ] On and off?
44:44Well, we stayed in Doc Canyon on the
44:46other side. We didn't we didn't stay
44:48over there that much. And then we came
44:50over there,
44:52man. I couldn't even show you, man.
44:54>> Was it this
44:55>> I mean it was it was on and off for
44:56about a year probably.
44:57>> For about a year.
44:58>> Well, since last June,
45:02you know.
45:03>> Okay.
45:03>> But we stayed over in Doyon on the
45:05disperse campground um for 6 months
45:08probably.
45:10And then we went over there and like I
45:12said, there's two steep trees over
45:13there. We stayed over there and then we
45:15moved over to the other side and moved
45:18around. But there's there's people
45:20coming and going. I mean, it's a lot of,
45:22you know, just we just just try to stay
45:23away from people as much as possible
45:26cause problems cuz I was on the run.
45:28>> Okay.
45:28>> And that was the reason why. I mean, I
45:30just I just had to, you know, plus she
45:34didn't like being around people and I
45:35didn't really like people either. Just
45:37so she said, but she'd always wander off
45:39and start talking to to somebody or
45:42whatever and I have to go looking for
45:43her and [ __ ]
45:44>> Okay.
45:47>> Well, I mean, sounds like you got this
45:48wrapped up though. those things you you
45:50just you think absolutely 100% quickly I
45:53I did it and you're completely wrong.
45:57This like I said
45:59>> the way we do these investigations and
46:00I'm sure you know
46:01>> right and I I'll just tell you
46:03interviews gathering evidence day and
46:05evidence witnesses everything all your
46:08property
46:09>> I'd love I'd love to to see all that
46:11>> right so
46:13>> just so you know that's you know to get
46:16us far enough to this point we're past
46:18all that right so you know this is your
46:21opportunity to talk with us you can tell
46:23us what happened
46:25>> I wish I wish I wish I really knew.
46:28Okay. The only thing I said, like I
46:29said, this is her [clears throat] emmo.
46:30This is what she do. She disappeared.
46:32So, if what you're telling me is is
46:34true. Okay. And you found her body over
46:37there with that campsite is that tells
46:39me it was one of two people or one of
46:41three people that I know.
46:44That's what it tells me.
46:46>> Who's that?
46:47>> H
46:48>> Who's that?
46:52>> I told you one of them.
46:55Can you remind me?
46:57>> Hm.
46:58>> Can you remind me of the name so I can
46:59write Donald?
47:00>> Who are the other two?
47:04>> Japan.
47:05>> I don't know the guy's name. All I know
47:07is he drives a white conversion. I mean,
47:09hold on a second.
47:20>> I can't remember his name.
47:22big big biker looking dude. Okay.
47:25>> He's got a dog with him.
47:26>> It's a big biker in a van
47:29>> and a white van, conversion van. Also,
47:33the the other guy drives a blue Dodge
47:36Dakota pickup truck and he's he drinks a
47:40lot too and he's he's been frequent
47:42there. Matter of fact, he come out there
47:45and uh drunk and I don't think he
47:48thought I was there and I thought him
47:49and Nancy were talking and I was walking
47:51back up with the dogs and he's like,
47:54"Oh, blah blah blah blah blah. You know,
47:56you can't camp here and all this stuff."
47:57And I said, "Okay, whatever." Um, but I
48:00seen him out there been he's been out
48:01there three or four or five times.
48:04>> So, we got Donald big biker. reason why
48:07I'm saying Donald cuz I I kind of knew I
48:09kind of had a suspicion that he was want
48:11to have an affair with me and he was
48:13wanting Nancy out, you know what I'm
48:15saying? He's he was like, "Oh, you and
48:17Nancy don't need to be together and all
48:18this kind of stuff and all." You know
48:19what I'm saying? She's not good for you
48:21and you know, you're a better person.
48:23Anyway, that's that's why I said I went
48:25with this.
48:26>> Does Donald have a gun?
48:27>> Who
48:27>> does Donald have a gun?
48:29>> I have no idea.
48:30>> Okay. I mean, now you're playing naive.
48:32I mean now you just kind of flare I'm
48:35just
48:35>> psychological warfare.
48:36>> Well, you're you're you're sing actually
48:38looking at these people,
48:39>> man. You can do whatever you want to.
48:40You can search my car. You can do
48:41whatever you want. I'm tell you right
48:44now.
48:46>> So, we got Donald a biker dude in a van,
48:48white van. Conversion van.
48:51>> Conversion van.
48:52>> And then a blue Dodge Dakota pickup
48:54truck.
48:54>> A blue four-wheel drive extra car.
48:58>> Does he camp out there or where is he
48:59at?
49:00>> Yeah, on that main road right there.
49:01Whenever you turn in to go back toward
49:03um where where Mike and him is camped
49:05out there, you he always parks right off
49:08to the side. Rich to the left.
49:09>> Do you know his name?
49:10>> No, I do not. I've never I've only had
49:12words with him. I never had conversation
49:14with him.
49:15>> So, if someone were to kill your wife
49:16and bury her at the campsite where where
49:19you you've stayed at for
49:20>> I mean, I see where you're going with
49:21this.
49:23>> So, go ahead.
49:25If someone were to kill your wife and
49:26bury her at the campsite where you where
49:28you frequent or
49:29>> I understand.
49:30>> How would they have the time if you're
49:32there? Like
49:33>> I haven't been there.
49:35I was in I I I went to Sweetwater,
49:38Texas. I was in Sweetwater, Texas for
49:39over a month.
49:40>> Okay. All right. And then I I went came
49:43back here. I went up to the top of the
49:44mountain and then I decided it was too
49:45cold up there. So I said, "Well, I'm
49:46going to come down." So I bought a brand
49:47new tent that was a brand new tent. I
49:50set it up that one day. Mike helped me
49:51set it up. Okay.
49:53>> The guy in the blue truck, you could go
49:55talk to him. He helped me set it up. I
49:57he he helped me set it up. I slept in
49:59that night and the sheriff department
50:00come out there the next day. And that's
50:03when I that's when I left. I said, "Well
50:04screw it. I'm just leaving cuz obviously
50:05I didn't want that one." So I left. I
50:07waited a couple days. I came back out. I
50:08got the chance. I disassembled it and I
50:10went sold it to a guy that needed it.
50:12And I went back up to the top of the
50:13mountain and left my car.
50:18>> I mean, you're going to read in here.
50:21She had she like she wasn't there for a
50:26couple days. She was there for a while
50:27based on her body condition.
50:29>> Like I said, the last time I saw her was
50:31the end of February.
50:33>> And go ahead.
50:38You
50:38>> know, you've been through the system,
50:39right? We did a whole background on you.
50:41We know your history, all that, right?
50:43Is there any reason why your DNA would
50:46have come back on her body?
50:48>> PROBABLY BECAUSE WE HAD SEX A LOT.
50:51ABSOLUTELY.
50:53>> YEAH. Seen her.
50:53>> I thought you talking about DNA talking
50:55sex. Yeah. We had sex that morning. We
50:56had sex that afternoon.
50:58>> When
51:01the last time I saw her, I mean, we woke
51:03up that morning. We had sex and we had
51:06we she gave me a blood drive in the car
51:09whenever. And then like said, we've been
51:10drinking and stuff. Of course, she's my
51:11wife. Why would I have DNA on her?
51:13>> How long ago was that?
51:14>> I just told you last time I saw her was
51:16February uh end of February somewhere.
51:19Last I guess it was February, March,
51:22April. Yeah. End of February maybe. End
51:25of February.
51:27February.
51:27>> Last last week. Last in the last week of
51:30February, I believe.
51:32Absolutely.
51:35>> Okay.
51:40Anything else?
51:43>> By all means. I got real pissed on. You
51:46could ask for it.
51:48>> Sure. Actually,
51:52I still I knew in the back of my mind
51:54that when I hit the bathroom that this
51:56would happen that she she she piss
51:59somebody off.
52:00Let me get that cup. Get me some water,
52:02please.
52:20I'm just going to put this on the table
52:21and leave it running.
52:44Foreign
53:33Um,
53:50that's a good shot.
54:05I don't think heavy.
54:19I said,
54:30>> you know, I expected something happened
54:33to her day.
54:35>> The way that she
54:37>> she was in like devil worship and [ __ ]
54:39like that and drugs and alcohol. I I I
54:42had a sneaking suspicion that one day,
54:45especially the people that she hung out
54:47with, dealt with, I had a sneak
54:49suspicion that one day it was going to
54:52happen. I mean, there been a couple
54:53times where she she went missing.
54:56And I I I told myself, so she's she's
55:00dead. You know what I'm saying? She
55:01ain't coming back.
55:04You know, a little psychological game
55:06you playing with me trying to think we
55:08know you did. constant [ __ ] No. Sorry.
55:11>> I'm just telling you the facts of what
55:12we have. So,
55:13>> I'm telling you facts.
55:14>> You know, we even throwing you a bone
55:16and letting you know some of the things
55:17that we know.
55:18>> Well, I'm throwing you a bone and
55:19letting you know the things that I know.
55:21I ain't no stupid man. And I'm going to
55:23tell you right now, there's there's no
55:24way in hell that I would ever do
55:26anything like that to a woman I've known
55:30love as much as I had. No way. And
55:32[snorts] first of all, how would I have
55:33done it?
55:33>> I'll tell you right now. I'll tell you
55:35right now, Nancy, she deserved a lot
55:37better than that.
55:38>> She deserved a lot better than that.
55:40>> A lot better than what?
55:41>> You know, than what happened to her,
55:42right?
55:42>> Absolutely.
55:43>> She stayed out there with
55:45>> out there in the wilderness. You guys
55:46can't and living a hard life out there.
55:48>> It wasn't hard, you know.
55:49>> She had it made.
55:50>> Well, she
55:52>> I had it made. We both had it made. We
55:54We actually lived a really good, simple
55:57life. We slept really good at night. You
55:59know, the only problem we had is that
56:01she drank too much.
56:04And that was her problem. That that was
56:06her problem. And that's that's that's
56:08what that's the reason why you're
56:10telling me what happened happened.
56:12That's that's that's what it is. Drugs
56:14and alcohol
56:16and and lies and sex and all this kind
56:18of stuff you have with cheating and
56:19stuff.
56:22Well, like I said,
56:24>> and I mean you you can investigate and
56:26you and I understand you where you're
56:27saying we've done this and we've done
56:29that and we've done this. Okay? And
56:31that's fine. And like I said, you can
56:32look at text messages, you can look at
56:34phone calls, you can look at all this,
56:36whatever. You know, don't hold water
56:38with me because I know who I am, right?
56:43And you're trying to, you know, you can
56:44charge me whatever you want to charge me
56:46with.
56:47Absolutely.
56:51But I had nothing to do with Nancy
56:54being buried there or anything like that
56:57is what you're telling me. Buried at at
56:58my campsite. Wasn't my campsite.
57:01My campsite my my campsite is in Bluff
57:04Springs. Okay.
57:06>> That campsite.
57:07>> You were camping in that tent out there
57:09>> one night.
57:10>> Yeah. You were
57:11>> what? A week ago, two weeks ago.
57:13>> You were right there.
57:14>> Okay. And you got the time stamp. He's
57:16got the officers on a time stamp and
57:17Mike is up there to help me set that up.
57:19one night. Michael was around me all
57:21that time. Okay. So, you tell me that's
57:23when she was That's when she was killed.
57:26>> She was killed before that.
57:28>> Okay.
57:28>> You were out there after she had already
57:30been killed. You were still out there.
57:33>> No way. When When When was the autopsy
57:37say? When was she killed? That's what I
57:38want to know.
57:39>> We don't have the autopsy.
57:40>> You don't have to? No. No way.
57:44>> But I saw her body. She'd been there for
57:46a while.
57:46>> Yeah. Like I said, the last time I saw
57:48was end of February. And have I been
57:50back out there? Yeah, I went back out
57:52there and I stayed in the car on the
57:54right. I told you there's two mosqu
57:55trees. If you pass that tire where that
57:58tent, what was that officer coming in?
58:00There's two mosquito feet over there.
58:01And you'll see my gear right there.
58:03There's there's LED lights and there's a
58:05little thing right there with my oil in
58:06for my car and all this kind of stuff.
58:08Maybe a propane tank. That's my camp.
58:10That's where I stayed at.
58:14And I mean, I went back down there for,
58:15like I said, to go get that tent to sell
58:17it. And I and I disassembled it. And
58:20that's been what, a couple weeks ago,
58:24cuz I've been in Sweetwater, Texas for
58:26over a month.
58:31And if if you did investigation, you
58:33should know that. You should know I was
58:35in Sweetwater, Texas.
58:37>> Am I right?
58:38>> We know you were in Texas.
58:39>> Yeah.
58:39>> Yeah.
58:41>> We do. Mhm.
58:43>> We do know that.
58:44>> So, is there anything else you want to
58:46tell us
58:48>> about the investigation that we should
58:49know?
58:49>> Not unless you tell me something that's
58:51going to be beneficial to me.
58:55>> Well, you'll uh they're making a copy of
58:58the arrest warrant for you.
58:59>> That's fine.
59:00>> Yeah, [clears throat] you can go and
59:01read it. It's your copy. And listen,
59:06yes, it comes as a big shock to me, but
59:08then again,
59:10I've been dealing with this for a long
59:12time. Her missing me thinking she's
59:15dead. You understand? I mean, you don't
59:17have many times in my mind when she's
59:20gone and it's like I'm sitting here
59:21going telling myself,
59:24"Damn it, she she's not coming back.
59:26She's dead." The time in Tennessee,
59:30I cried my eyes out in jail. I like
59:32she's she didn't find me. She She didn't
59:35You know what I'm saying? She didn't
59:35know I was in jail. I mean, she didn't.
59:37So, I'm thinking the worst worst case
59:38scenario. You know how many times I been
59:40through this? That's why when you told
59:42me that
59:45>> look look,
59:46>> you know,
59:46>> you said we're already past all that.
59:48You know, we told you what it is. I'm
59:50not going to, you know, reveal
59:52everything in the investigation that we
59:53have.
59:54>> Listen, man.
59:54>> You know, we're at this point.
59:55>> I'm already No, I've already put the
59:57pieces of the puzzle together since
59:58we've been in this room. All right. of
1:00:00all the investigations that you've done
1:00:01before I even walk in here, I already
1:00:03already knew what you fixing to ask me
1:00:05based on somebody else's responses and
1:00:09questions asked me, okay, and somebody's
1:00:12actions. I put all this together a long
1:00:14time ago. And I was worried about it to
1:00:15be honest with you, frankly. I'm
1:00:17thinking, okay, well, she's disappeared
1:00:19um from my site like she does all the
1:00:21time. I say disappeared, I mean, you
1:00:22know, I mean disappeared, she just got
1:00:25out of the car and it was gone. She's
1:00:27done a million one times.
1:00:30And
1:00:33when the sheriff's I passed the
1:00:34sheriff's department
1:00:36about
1:00:38a week or so later after she went
1:00:41missing. When I say missing, I mean, you
1:00:43know what I mean? I don't mean missing.
1:00:44I'm not I'm saying when she went missing
1:00:47for me. And um I passed the sh and I put
1:00:51two and two together and I said and
1:00:54that's whenever heard Donnie come
1:00:55walking over there and tried to force
1:00:58himself on me. You know what I'm saying?
1:00:59In the tent and everything. I that's
1:01:00when I put two and two together. I said
1:01:02well he's the one that's trying to cause
1:01:04problems between me and Nancy.
1:01:08So I'm figuring that you know I'm not
1:01:11saying that I don't know at this point
1:01:13I'm I have no clue. Were you angry when
1:01:16the sheriff's office showed up to kick
1:01:18you off the property?
1:01:19>> No, I would have been angry.
1:01:20>> You weren't angry? No. [clears throat]
1:01:21>> You weren't angry that someone called in
1:01:23on you or
1:01:26>> I was a little upset about cuz I I knew
1:01:28who it was there again.
1:01:30>> And see, that's what I'm saying. It was
1:01:31it was mostly like a like a I don't
1:01:34know.
1:01:35I think it was just it was like I said,
1:01:38the guy he's gay. He tried he I'm not
1:01:41gay. He tried to push himself on me. You
1:01:43know what I'm saying? I mean, he was it
1:01:45was a
1:01:46very awkward situation for me.
1:01:49>> How'd you get along with NY's kids?
1:01:52>> Wow.
1:01:52>> I know they're older, but I know they're
1:01:54older. I really
1:01:55>> They didn't like me very much.
1:01:56>> Did you ever communicate through text or
1:01:58anything? Sending them pictures or
1:01:59anything?
1:02:00>> Every once in a while.
1:02:01>> I tried to get Nancy. I tried to
1:02:03encourage Nancy to to have a
1:02:05relationship with him.
1:02:07>> Which ones did you talk to the most?
1:02:09>> I didn't talk to any of them.
1:02:10>> There's Michael.
1:02:11>> I didn't never talk to Michael.
1:02:12>> You never sent him texts?
1:02:13>> No. What about the other daughter? I
1:02:15can't think of her name. There's
1:02:15Michelle and uh
1:02:17>> Laura.
1:02:18>> Laura?
1:02:18>> Yeah. Never. Never. Hardly ever. I tried
1:02:20to encourage Nancy to, but they would.
1:02:22Nancy never would. They wouldn't have
1:02:23nothing to do with her.
1:02:24>> So, you never send Laura pictures or
1:02:26text messages?
1:02:26>> No. Okay.
1:02:30Not
1:02:31years. Six, seven years.
1:02:33>> But you have
1:02:34>> back in the past. Long time ago.
1:02:36>> Anything [snorts] threatening?
1:02:38>> No. [clears throat]
1:02:40I don't think I ever texted war.
1:02:42I don't think so.
1:02:43>> Or any of them. Michael, Michelle,
1:02:45Laura.
1:02:45>> Yeah.
1:02:46>> I I can't remember. I mean, it was on
1:02:49like on Facebook, you know what I mean?
1:02:50Not text, like message. Hey, you need to
1:02:52call your mama. Hey, you know, whatever.
1:02:54Whatever.
1:02:56>> So, like text, Messenger,
1:02:59Snapchat,
1:03:00>> video call, any any any sort of contact
1:03:03whatsoever.
1:03:04>> Not really. Mostly Nancy did. I mean, I
1:03:07I sent her I mean, I sent her videos,
1:03:10you know, get drunk, stuff like that.
1:03:11Said, "Look, you need to, you know, your
1:03:13mama need to come stay with you for a
1:03:14little while." You know what I'm saying?
1:03:14I sent her videos. Look, she like she
1:03:17would never answer me back.
1:03:18>> Yeah.
1:03:20>> I mean, she get co pass out another
1:03:23store somewhere.
1:03:26>> So,
1:03:28you guys are on video at the Walmart.
1:03:30>> H
1:03:31>> You are on video at the Walmart.
1:03:33>> You and Donald.
1:03:36Okay. You guys went over there on the
1:03:37Sunday, February, you guys bought a
1:03:40shovel.
1:03:43>> All right.
1:03:43>> Not me.
1:03:46>> You guys went to the Walmart,
1:03:47>> huh?
1:03:48>> When you guys were at the Walmart around
1:03:50the time she was a kid, I
1:03:51>> bought a shovel.
1:03:52>> Yep.
1:03:52>> I ain't never bought a shovel in my
1:03:54life.
1:03:54>> Donald bought the shovel for you.
1:03:57>> I don't know what the [ __ ] you're
1:03:58talking about.
1:03:59>> There in the Walmart,
1:04:00>> dude. You got See, you wrong. No,
1:04:04>> your investigation's wrong. Show me the
1:04:06video. I'd love to see it.
1:04:07>> Okay?
1:04:08>> Cuz I guarantee you, you ain't got me in
1:04:10no Walmart buying no [ __ ] shovel.
1:04:12>> Donald bought it for you. You went to
1:04:15the
1:04:15>> Donald ain't never bought me nothing. He
1:04:17ain't got no money. How's he going to
1:04:18buy me anything?
1:04:20>> Okay.
1:04:21>> Well, I'm just I'm just letting you
1:04:22know.
1:04:23>> I'm letting you know.
1:04:24>> Okay. Well, like I said, anybody can say
1:04:27anything. You write anything on a piece
1:04:28of paper, don't make it true.
1:04:29>> A shovel.
1:04:31That's Yeah, that was used to be.
1:04:33>> So, yeah. So, so he knew.
1:04:38>> Okay.
1:04:41>> So, what you're telling me, what date
1:04:43was that? You said
1:04:45>> told you it's February of this year.
1:04:47>> February this year. And he tells you
1:04:49that he went into Walmart to purchase a
1:04:53shovel for me.
1:04:58Yeah. How interesting is it?
1:05:03[clears throat]
1:05:07Sounds like he knows a little bit more
1:05:08than I do.
1:05:10>> We don't
1:05:14not Yeah, you damn right. You know a lot
1:05:16more than I do cuz right now I'm flying
1:05:18blind, but I kind of see right right
1:05:20where it's going.
1:05:28So, I tell you what. Why don't we do
1:05:30this?
1:05:32Why don't
1:05:35I tell you what I need to go over this
1:05:37paperwork? You get Let's see what we got
1:05:40and let's put two and two together
1:05:41because I this is this is some straight
1:05:43[ __ ] I see this as being a a type
1:05:46of perverse sexual type homicide
1:05:51to where that's that's that's where I'm
1:05:53going with it.
1:05:55And like I said, I've been dealing with
1:05:56this [ __ ] for a long time with her in
1:06:00the back of my mind somewhere along
1:06:01those lines. I knew something
1:06:04I didn't, you know, never knew, you
1:06:06know, like go this far. But, you know, I
1:06:09don't know. [clears throat] See, I'm not
1:06:10going to sit here and talk myself in a
1:06:12hole when you since you got so much
1:06:14information and I mean I I'm
1:06:17incriminating myself, I guess, against
1:06:19myself just by answering stupid
1:06:21questions. You understand what I'm
1:06:22saying? You turned all this stuff around
1:06:24against me, just like you just told me.
1:06:26He He went to Walmart and bought a
1:06:28shovel for me.
1:06:30>> We're dealing with
1:06:31>> That's the most [ __ ] I've ever heard in
1:06:32my life.
1:06:33>> We're dealing with the death of your
1:06:34wife. So, I don't believe we're asking
1:06:36stupid questions.
1:06:36>> Well, okay. I didn't mean it like that.
1:06:38What I'm saying is is he said you're
1:06:40you're accusing me that he just said he
1:06:42has me in Walmart buying a show or
1:06:46that's the most craziest thing I ever
1:06:47heard in my life. Donald
1:06:50>> Well, I didn't I had no idea what you're
1:06:53talking about.
1:06:56If if you can show me the video from me
1:06:58being at Walmart with with with Donald
1:07:01on whatever day he says you went there,
1:07:03I'd love to see it. And I at that point
1:07:06I say, "Yes, sir. You're absolutely
1:07:07correct. But I'm telling you right now,
1:07:10you're absolutely wrong.
1:07:13>> That's fine. Anything else?
1:07:16>> Oh, we're go ahead. Go. We'll give you a
1:07:18copy. You can check it out, read it and
1:07:20stuff. Um
1:07:21>> I mean, is there anything that I can do
1:07:23to help you understand and help you
1:07:25investigate this more to tell you that I
1:07:28had nothing to do with this? Okay. I
1:07:31didn't I didn't force her out of the car
1:07:33that night. She's the one that got out
1:07:34of the car. And if she got if she went
1:07:37back to the campground or over there
1:07:39with S or whoever she stayed with, then
1:07:41that's fine. If whatever if there's
1:07:44anything that I can that I can do
1:07:47besides be completely freaked out and
1:07:49upset,
1:07:51please let me know. I mean, don't try to
1:07:53ask me these question. Don't try to play
1:07:55these psychological games with me and
1:07:56say, "Well, we had you, you know, I had
1:07:58you in Walmart buying this show and all
1:07:59this kind of stuff." But that's I know
1:08:01it never did happen. Okay. I mean,
1:08:04that's what somebody told you, but I
1:08:07know it never happened. Like I said,
1:08:10anybody can say anything. Anybody
1:08:12anything up, it don't make it true.
1:08:16Okay. So, obviously, there's something
1:08:20to this that's leading back towards what
1:08:22you just told me,
1:08:26and that's the truth.
1:08:27>> Is there anything else you want to add?
1:08:28>> No.
1:08:30All right, let's get out of here. We'll
1:08:32get your copy and uh
1:08:37>> ready. Um have you stay right here real
1:08:40quick
1:08:42back and then we're going to transport
1:08:44you to those. Okay, sir.
1:08:52investigating.
1:09:01>> Going into a little hallway here, sir.
1:09:08>> Following the interrogation,
1:09:10investigators [music]
1:09:10continued building their case against
1:09:12Sha Lafleur. An autopsy confirmed Nancy
1:09:16had died from two gunshot wounds to the
1:09:18head. [music]
1:09:19Investigators also uncovered online
1:09:21searches for places to buy a firearm
1:09:24[music] and potential escape routes into
1:09:26Mexico. In May 2024, Shawn was indicted
1:09:30for [music] firstdegree murder,
1:09:32tampering with evidence, and possessing
1:09:34a firearm as a felon. His case went to
1:09:37[music] trial in May 2025.
1:09:40Prosecutors presented physical and
1:09:42digital evidence [music] along with
1:09:44earlier testimony from two men who had
1:09:46alerted police to NY's burial site.
1:09:49Neither witness appeared in court, and
1:09:51the [music] defense questioned whether
1:09:53those depositions should have been
1:09:55admitted. The prosecution dropped the
1:09:57firearm charge [music] before the jury
1:09:59delivered its verdict. On May 23rd,
1:10:02Shawn was found guilty of first-degree
1:10:04murder and [music] tampering with
1:10:05evidence. Judge John Sugg sentenced him
1:10:08to life in prison, plus the maximum
1:10:11consecutive sentence [music] for
1:10:12tampering. He would have to serve at
1:10:14least 30 years before becoming eligible
1:10:17for parole, leaving him nearly 90 years
1:10:20old. [music] Shawn appealed the verdict,
1:10:22arguing that admitting the witness's
1:10:24depositions violated his right to
1:10:26confront them in court. The New Mexico
1:10:29Supreme Court heard arguments in [music]
1:10:31September 2026.
1:10:33As of October 2026, Shawn remains
1:10:37incarcerated in New Mexico while the
1:10:39appeal awaits a decision. If you found
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1:10:48work and allows [music] us to continue
1:10:50covering important cases like this one.
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