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0:00I don't remember a whole lot after that.
0:02I just like when I see them bleeding and
0:06on the ground.
0:08I my brain stopped working.
0:16>> On the night of April 29th, 2019, police
0:19in Westchester, Ohio were called to an
0:21apartment after Gerrit Singh reported
0:23that he had come home and found members
0:25of his [music] family dead. Inside,
0:27officers found four victims. Hakikott
0:30Panug [music] Shelindrajit Cors Singh
0:32Parmjit Kore and Amarjit Kr. All four
0:36lived in the apartment with Singh
0:37[music] and his three children who were
0:38not home at the time. The scene
0:40immediately raised urgent questions.
0:42[music] Four people had been killed
0:44inside a home where multiple family
0:45members normally lived [music] and the
0:47person calling for help was the
0:49surviving husband and relative who said
0:51he had discovered them after returning
0:53home. When the [music] first officers
0:55arrived, they found Singh outside the
0:56apartment in the breezeway. Court
0:59records later described his clothing as
1:00soaked in blood with additional blood on
1:02his hands. At that point, detectives
1:05needed to understand [music] what he had
1:06seen when he got there and who could
1:08have been responsible. So, Singh was
1:10brought [music] to the Westchester
1:11Police Department where investigators
1:13prepared to take a statement. This is
1:15the interrogation of Gerrit Singh.
1:18>> A drink, sir.
1:20Want some water? Anything?
1:23>> Less water?
1:25>> Yes, please.
1:29>> Second, guys. Please talk to my brother.
1:31>> Uh, not right now. I don't know where he
1:32is. Okay. So, the tech will be able to
1:34tell you that here in a minute. So, you
1:35just want to have a seat and relax.
1:36We'll get you some water.
1:40Sorry. Phones don't work right now.
1:42Okay.
1:45Pentics.
1:47Not the moment.
1:49All right.
1:55Sir,
1:55>> can you call my kids and see if they're
1:58okay?
1:58>> Mhm.
1:59>> Please.
1:59>> Okay. Who has them right now?
2:02>> Your sister?
2:03>> Yes.
2:03>> Okay. What's your sister's name?
2:06>> Uh, Harmon.
2:09>> Hardman.
2:10>> Yes.
2:10>> Okay.
2:13And what's her phone number?
2:17>> And my phone. Can I can Can I Can I
2:19>> I don't have your phone.
2:23>> I don't remember her number.
2:24>> You know where she lives?
2:26>> Yeah. Remember that circle?
2:28>> Mhm.
2:29>> I told you she live over there by
2:30circle.
2:31>> Is her last name S or something
2:33different?
2:34>> Um car.
2:36>> Please spell that.
2:38>> K A U R.
2:42>> You need anything else? Let me know,
2:43sir.
2:44>> Sir, I can I please talk to my guest,
2:46please. We can't go check out almost you
2:49guys. Okay.
3:06>> Hello,
3:09>> sir.
3:10>> Hello. How are you,
3:12>> sir? I am okay.
3:13>> Okay.
3:13>> Nothing wrong with me.
3:14>> I understand. I'm I'm totally okay. You
3:18please help my family.
3:19>> Yeah, we're helping.
3:23>> I know you've been through a lot, man.
3:26>> We're going to We're going to take our
3:28time. Okay.
3:30Just deep breaths.
3:33It's
3:33>> really You take them to the hospital for
3:36one minute. Maybe you say no.
3:39>> Okay.
3:39>> I I gave my blood. If you just need my
3:42blood. I understand.
3:48What's your first name? What's your
3:50name? So I wouldn't
3:52>> Sorry, I gave my my name maybe four.
3:55>> Sure.
3:55>> We're going to have a conversation. I'm
3:56Randy. This is This is Andrew.
3:58>> My name is Got.
4:00>> Okay.
4:03>> You You go by Gary. Somebody told me to
4:05go by Gary. I'm going to call you Gary.
4:06Is that okay?
4:07>> Yeah. My my company, my Lord people go
4:11by Gary.
4:12>> Okay. You you a truck driver? Yes. From
4:15what I've been told.
4:16>> Yes.
4:16>> Who do you drive for?
4:18>> I have my own 30.
4:19>> Oh, owner owner operator.
4:20>> Yeah.
4:21>> Okay.
4:22>> Um, when's the last time you were out on
4:24the road?
4:24>> Uh, last week.
4:26>> Last week.
4:27>> I go every week.
4:29>> Every week? Do you go across the road?
4:32>> No, I Yes, I go New Jersey.
4:34>> Okay. And where do you park your truck?
4:36>> Uh, Sugar Creek. Which which factory
4:40they I think they have three or four.
4:42the uh uh the one on mall housing.
4:46>> The one right there by Bobcat down at
4:48the bottom. Oh, okay.
4:50>> Okay. Well,
4:52>> sir, can you please call my kids?
4:54>> Call who?
4:55>> My kids. My baby.
4:58>> Your kids?
4:58>> Yeah.
4:59>> I don't have I'm not We We're just going
5:01to hear. Okay. We Here's the thing. You
5:05call 911. Something Something bad
5:07happened. Okay.
5:08>> Yeah. They all believe.
5:10>> I understand. We need to know what
5:12happened.
5:13>> My my mom my wife all the the ground
5:18>> bleeding.
5:19>> I understand. Let's let's calm down for
5:22a minute. Okay. And let's let's let's go
5:24back way before that. Okay. You with me?
5:27Sometimes it's easier when we talk about
5:29it if we start farther back in the day.
5:32Okay. Are you with me?
5:34>> Yes.
5:34>> You understand, Gary? Yes.
5:35>> Okay.
5:37>> Tell me where did you wake up this
5:39morning?
5:42Home.
5:42>> Okay. Where is home? It's just easier if
5:45we start in small chunks.
5:48>> Okay. In the in the same apartment.
5:51>> Yes. Okay. Okay. And what time did you
5:54wake up, Gary?
5:59I know it's hard. We have We have We
6:01have plenty of time. Okay.
6:02>> I don't remember.
6:03>> You don't remember?
6:05I
6:10I
6:14>> don't remember.
6:15>> You don't remember what time you woke
6:16up?
6:17>> Like maybe
6:20maybe 9:00.
6:22>> Okay. You sleep late? Do you Okay. So
6:25when on a normal day like today, was
6:26today a normal day? Okay. When you woke
6:29up at 9:00, what what did you do next?
6:39I I I I was home doing nothing.
6:43>> Okay. Did you watch TV? Did you talk to
6:45your to your wife?
6:48Did Did you
6:49>> Okay. Today
6:53Today Sunday.
6:56Uh I wake up 8 9 8 or 9.
7:04Uh,
7:05I stay home.
7:09Um,
7:12I stay home rest all day because I have
7:16I have back pain. Okay.
7:19And uh
7:23that's it. I stay home. I did nothing.
7:27Okay. All right. Then did did you did
7:31you
7:34Okay.
7:34>> Yeah. I I I I ate.
7:39>> That's it.
7:40>> Okay. And then after you ate, you were
7:42hanging out all all morning long, right?
7:45>> Yes. I
7:46>> Who else was hanging out at that point?
7:48>> Uh everybody.
7:49>> Okay.
7:50>> My uh my mom and my aunt. Yes. They they
7:55go to work.
7:56>> They went to work.
7:57>> Yeah.
7:57>> Where do they work at, Gary?
8:00uh some some factory where they
8:04uh fold uh the towels.
8:07>> Okay. So, they went to work to fold
8:09towels, right?
8:10>> Yeah.
8:11>> Okay. And you hung out. Who Who else was
8:13there?
8:15>> Uh me,
8:17my wife,
8:19my kids,
8:21uh
8:24my dad.
8:26No, my uh
8:29my dad uh
8:32Yeah, he my dad was
8:37home but not home. See, he come and go.
8:40>> Yeah, my dad come and go a couple times.
8:43>> Yeah, he's just running errands kind of
8:45kind of thing or he work and
8:47>> uh Sunday my uh Saturday.
8:52>> Okay. Um so yes my dad go to church.
8:57>> Okay. Where does he go to church?
8:59>> Oh the
9:01um raville road
9:05you know the safe temple.
9:06>> Oh okay. The the guru.
9:09>> Yes. Yes.
9:09>> Okay. On on Tylerville.
9:11>> Yeah. And then uh
9:12>> but you you didn't go to church then?
9:14>> No. I that I I was really my back pain
9:18really bad.
9:19>> Okay. I um I play volleyball
9:24really hard.
9:26>> Okay.
9:27>> And maybe something.
9:28>> Did you play in like a local league or
9:30>> No, only
9:33some friends get together and play
9:36because
9:38uh we we all truck drivers.
9:40>> Oh, okay.
9:41>> So
9:44only exercise,
9:45>> right?
9:45>> No, no competition, no nothing. Only
9:48exercise.
9:48>> Did you Did you play today too?
9:51>> No, I play um
9:55I play I play yesterday.
9:57>> Okay.
9:58>> And
10:00we won
10:02um when I walk outside, my back hurt.
10:06>> Okay.
10:07>> Something wrong.
10:09I come home on a bed. So, you've been in
10:12bed
10:12>> all day.
10:14In the bed and uh
10:18uh
10:20Yeah, on the bed.
10:22>> Okay.
10:22>> Uh
10:25yeah. Yeah. My um
10:28my brother come
10:30to see me
10:32uh for uh
10:34because my uh back problem. When was
10:37what time is that?
10:38>> Today. Today. Uh
10:41today I would today um after today
10:46afternoon.
10:47>> Okay.
10:47>> Yes. Afternoon.
10:48>> Okay. So afternoon time.
10:50>> Yeah. He come and uh
10:54he uh give me a back exercise. He push
10:59my legs.
11:02>> Okay. Some therapy kind of.
11:03>> He he go to gym.
11:06Uh he go to gym a lot.
11:09So he know how to fix this. So he
11:12>> he did some stretches and
11:14>> Yes. Yes.
11:15>> Okay.
11:16>> And that was sometime after noonish.
11:19>> Uh
11:21uh afternoon. Yes.
11:22>> Okay.
11:23>> And then uh
11:26uh I I feel better.
11:29>> Okay.
11:29>> And I
11:32And he
11:34go No, he Yeah, he leave.
11:39sleep.
11:40Oh, yes. My kids go to dance practice.
11:44You
11:44>> You took your kids to dance practice?
11:46>> No. No. Uh my kids go now. Me, my kids,
11:49and my wife.
11:49>> Your wife took them?
11:51>> Okay.
11:51>> Yes.
11:52>> And And where is their dance at?
11:54>> Uh right here. Uh the port union center.
12:00>> Okay.
12:00>> No, the the Union Center rule.
12:02>> Okay. Is there a dance track? Uh I
12:06uh I think uh
12:09oh every Sunday uh 3:00 p.m.
12:13>> Okay. So 3 p.m.
12:14>> Yes, I remember.
12:16>> Okay. So at 3 p.m. What were you doing?
12:18>> The I I stay home all day lay on the
12:21floor on the flat back.
12:23>> Okay.
12:24>> Um
12:26uh my brother gave me therapy. My
12:28brother pushed my legs and move around.
12:31Was that about the same time that your
12:32wife and kids were at dance?
12:34>> Uh,
12:36I
12:39I don't know. I I
12:42>> I understand.
12:43>> Maybe. I
12:44>> I was just trying to walk you through
12:45the day. I I just We're trying to figure
12:47out We're trying to figure out
12:50what you called 911. We're trying to
12:52figure out what what happened.
12:53>> Yeah. I u
12:54>> And sometimes the best way to do that is
12:56is to start at the beginning of the day.
12:58I
13:00I just know I go I leave
13:06go to my truck.
13:06>> Okay. What time did you leave?
13:09>> I don't remember.
13:10>> Okay.
13:11>> But I I I remember I leave.
13:13>> Okay. So your your kids have dance class
13:14at 3, correct?
13:16>> Yes.
13:17>> Okay. Were they home when you left?
13:20>> Uh no. No.
13:25Yes.
13:27Um,
13:33okay. I
13:35Oh, my kids go with my sister.
13:40Uh,
13:42yes. My
13:44Yes. When I My kids go to go with my
13:47sister
13:49uh for uh Indian food for Indian
13:51restaurant.
13:52>> Oh, so your your sister picked them up?
13:54>> Yeah. She Yes.
13:56>> to take them to an Indian restaurant.
13:58>> Yes.
13:58>> Okay. And what time?
13:59>> Uh that because on the weekend uh my
14:02kids uh they say uh no home cook, no
14:08home food
14:09uh restaurant food.
14:12>> Okay.
14:13>> So
14:14and I
14:17uh I go to truck
14:19uh fix my truck.
14:21>> Okay. So, so your So, is it your sister
14:25that picks up your kids? Is it their
14:27aunt?
14:28>> No, my sister.
14:29>> Your sister? Okay. Your sister picks up
14:31the kids and takes them to a restaurant.
14:32>> Yeah, she she she is my
14:37uh Yeah, she pick up my kids take to the
14:42She she do that all the time.
14:45>> Okay.
14:45>> Because my my kids like my kids like
14:49her.
14:50>> Okay.
14:51>> Yeah. And she she she do that.
14:54Uh
14:56and uh
15:00uh I go to truck and if my truck
15:06and um
15:10I come back
15:13I go.
15:18Take your time. Take your time.
15:21Take your time.
15:24>> I got back
15:32to my kids.
15:35>> Well, we we have to figure out what took
15:39place when you call 911. It's very
15:41important to us to help us out.
15:43>> I I I come back. I see my mom.
15:49Yes. I see my mom
15:52and I see my wife
15:54and I see my
15:57I see the
16:00the dead ble and they they on the ground
16:03and I am just running to try to shake
16:07them try to see
16:12and I go inside my dad. I speak then he
16:18bleeds
16:20and no one talk and then I I call
16:27I
16:28I call and I call and I try to I try to
16:34give them off. Is that okay there?
16:49Uh I call
16:53um and uh you come. No. No. One officer
16:58come.
17:01Uh
17:03yeah, one officer come and
17:08he
17:11Yeah, he asked me
17:15the
17:16he
17:18Yeah, he asked me if uh no he
17:23no the the officer come. I tell them
17:27come
17:30please help me.
17:49I don't know.
17:51Did you call 911?
17:53>> Yeah.
17:54>> Okay. Yeah, I call 911. But sir, can you
17:59can you please tell me what happened?
18:04Why
18:06all this?
18:09Well, I I don't know what happened.
18:11That's what we're trying to we're trying
18:12to find out from you, what you saw, what
18:15you did today, where people were. Just
18:18trying to get an idea. Yeah sir, I I
18:21have the back problem,
18:24>> right? My uh I don't know maybe
18:28bad muscle p or something
18:31but
18:32>> Are you taking any medication or
18:34anything for that?
18:35>> No,
18:36>> no, only cuz if I take medication
18:40uh I get a really bad diarrhea.
18:44>> Oh, okay.
18:45>> Yeah. I No, I don't take medication. Did
18:48do you drink any beer or liquor or
18:50anything like that to
18:52>> for the pain?
18:53>> No.
18:55>> No.
18:55>> I I I don't drink.
18:58>> I I don't I don't do drink.
19:01>> Okay. And Gary, I appreciate you telling
19:03me everything you've told me so far, but
19:05kind of got to take you back. I I'm just
19:07I'm just trying to figure out who was
19:10where and and and how everyone came to
19:12be in the same place.
19:15>> Uh
19:16you know, You you you you your brother
19:19came over. Okay. What's your brother's
19:21name?
19:22>> Oh. Uh yeah, my brother came over. Uh
19:25man, so can I talk to him, please?
19:29>> Well, right now we need to talk to you.
19:30It's very important.
19:31>> I I just need to ask him if my kids are
19:34okay. That's all.
19:35>> We can find out if if people have
19:37checked on your
19:39go ahead and check.
19:41I'll check. Be right back,
19:43>> please. Okay, Gary. And I know you've
19:47been through a lot, man. I understand.
19:49It's to It's
19:51>> I'm trying.
19:52>> Please help my family.
19:53>> I'm trying. I I want you
19:56to help me get a get a time line for
19:59Gary. Okay. So I can figure out where
20:02your wife was, where your aunt was,
20:04where your dad was. Okay.
20:08>> My
20:10before you showed up. Okay. Where were
20:12they when you left, and where were they
20:14when you showed up?
20:15Uh you know dad went to church. Okay. Uh
20:20uh no
20:22my uh my dad go to No, every Sunday
20:26uh all community go to the church.
20:29>> To the church. But you didn't cuz your
20:31back hurt.
20:32>> Yes.
20:32>> But normally you would
20:33>> I normally Yes. If Yes. If my back Okay,
20:38I go.
20:39>> Okay.
20:39>> I go today.
20:40>> So you sleep until 9:00?
20:42>> Yeah.
20:42>> 9:00 in the morning cuz your back hurts.
20:44Yes.
20:45>> Okay. When you wake up, everyone is
20:47still there or are they at church
20:48already?
20:49>> Uh when I wake up, I
20:55um
20:57when I when I wake up, uh no, my wife
21:01home,
21:01>> your wife is none
21:03>> and my mother
21:06uh and my aunt at work.
21:09>> Your mother and your aunt were at work
21:11folding the towels. Where do you where
21:12do they fold towels at? I I don't know.
21:14>> You don't know the name of the place?
21:16>> Uh my mom and aunt only started.
21:19>> They just started recently.
21:21>> Yeah.
21:21>> Okay. And your dad is where?
21:23>> My dad uh my dad home
21:26>> watching?
21:28>> Yeah. My dad was home. He was watching
21:30TV, watching news.
21:31>> Okay. And your kids were home?
21:33>> Yeah. Yes. Okay. Stand up, stretch. You
21:36can.
21:37>> My My dad might asleep.
21:38>> Your kids were asleep. Okay.
21:40>> Yeah. I
21:42>> So you're awake? Yes.
21:43>> Your dad's awake watching TV?
21:45>> Yes.
21:45>> Everyone else is gone. Me and your kids
21:47are asleep.
21:47>> Yes.
21:48>> Okay.
21:49>> Okay. And tell me what do you do then?
21:51>> Uh I
21:53>> What's What time is it about now? About
21:549:00 still.
21:56>> Yes.
21:56>> Okay.
21:57>> So tell me about your morning.
21:59>> I I do I do nothing. I stay home.
22:02>> TV with your dad. Did you go back and
22:04lay in bed? Uh I no I don't go to bed
22:08back but I lay on the in the living room
22:12floor for because my back uh the flat
22:16service
22:18help you.
22:19>> So you were laying on your back?
22:20>> Yes.
22:21>> In the living room
22:22>> and your dad was watching TV.
22:24>> Yes.
22:24>> In the same room or was he in a bedroom
22:26watching TV?
22:26>> Uh no the living room
22:28>> with you?
22:29>> Yes.
22:29>> Okay. Did you have any conversations
22:30with him? uh the the Indian uh poll
22:34Indian uh election
22:36>> there. So there's an Indian election
22:37going right now. It's
22:39>> you gota you got to excuse me. I didn't
22:42know that but
22:43>> uh yeah
22:43>> so your dad's very interested in this.
22:45>> Yes.
22:46>> Okay.
22:48Yes. He watch all Indian news.
22:51>> Okay.
22:52>> And uh
22:54yeah.
22:59So, what is the
23:01>> checked on your kids? Your kids My kids
23:02are all okay.
23:04>> Um, okay. So, you're laying on the
23:06floor.
23:08>> Yes. Yes.
23:10>> It's about 9 10 9 in the morningish.
23:12>> I I I all day
23:15uh lay on the floor.
23:17>> Okay.
23:18>> So, sit down and lay on lay down again.
23:22Sit up.
23:23>> Okay. So, your dad's watching TV and
23:25you're laying on the floor. You're
23:26sitting up cuz your back hurts. Okay.
23:28How long does this go on? Like how long
23:31are you hanging out with your dad
23:32stretching your back? He's watching TV.
23:34>> Uh
23:38long time. Maybe
23:42maybe uh maybe uh maybe 1 hour.
23:46>> Okay. So like an hour.
23:47>> Yeah.
23:47>> Okay. So we're So it's about 10:00 now.
23:51>> Okay. I'm helping you walk through this.
23:53Okay. Yeah.
23:54>> It's 10:00. Okay.
23:56>> Your dad's watching TV. You're laying on
23:58the ground and something changes. What's
23:59What happens next?
24:01>> What do you do?
24:02>> I leave. Do you stay?
24:04>> I I I stay home all day.
24:06>> Okay. Where's dad go at 10:00?
24:08>> Uh,
24:11Dad,
24:13he he he left
24:16maybe for church
24:18>> about 10:00.
24:19>> Uh, no, maybe.
24:24Yeah, maybe 10:00. Maybe I don't
24:26remember. What time does church usually
24:27start?
24:28>> Uh 10:11.
24:29>> Okay. So, it would be it would be
24:33correct in me saying he was at church at
24:3510:00.
24:36>> Uh
24:38maybe I don't remember.
24:40>> I I don't remember.
24:41>> Okay. Well, if he's sitting in the
24:44chair, you're going to lay on the
24:45ground.
24:45>> Mhm.
24:45>> Okay. Did he do you remember him getting
24:48up and going to church?
24:50He uh
24:53uh I remember he get up uh he uh get
24:57ready for church.
24:59>> Okay. And you stayed in the living room?
25:01>> Yes.
25:02>> Okay.
25:02>> In the living room all day.
25:04>> Okay. So he gets ready for church.
25:06>> Yeah. He uh he went to church.
25:09>> Did he say goodbye, Gary, I'm going to
25:11church or?
25:12>> Uh he just said in in my language.
25:16>> Sure.
25:16>> Like
25:18okay. He's he's leaving.
25:20>> Okay. So, and what what language do you
25:21speak? I'm sorry.
25:22>> Uh I speak Punjabi.
25:23>> Punjabi. Okay. So, in Punjabi, he says
25:26he says, "Hey, Gary, I'm leaving. I'm
25:27going to church." Okay. And he leaves.
25:30>> So, now you're all by yourself except
25:31for your kids. Your kids are in the
25:33room, right?
25:34>> My kids uh
25:35>> are asleep.
25:36>> No, they My kids wake up. Uh they
25:43uh they get ready for work uh for uh
25:46their dance class.
25:47>> Okay. How old are your kids?
25:48>> Uh uh one is
25:52uh 11 9 and 7.
25:55>> Okay. So they start getting ready for
25:57dance class.
25:57>> Yeah.
25:58>> At what time? After your dad leaves
26:01>> or sometime during the same
26:02>> No, no,
26:05>> I know it's hard. I know it's hard.
26:07>> Sir, please. I I I don't remember
26:10everything correctly.
26:11>> I know you don't. That's why I'm trying
26:12to help you cuz it's very very important
26:14to us that we know.
26:16>> Okay. when everybody came and when
26:18everybody left. Okay. And you're the
26:19only one that can tell us this.
26:21>> Uh he he come back.
26:24>> Uh let's start with your kids. Okay.
26:27Dad's gone in church.
26:29>> Dad go to church.
26:32>> Your kids are getting ready for dance
26:33class.
26:34>> Yeah.
26:34>> Okay.
26:36>> All right.
26:37>> Um
26:40they go to dance class.
26:42>> Okay. So their aunt shows up and picks
26:44them up.
26:45Uh, no. My uh my wife take my kids to
26:50the dance.
26:51>> Okay. So, your wife comes. Okay. So,
26:53your wife and your mom come?
26:55>> My uh my
26:56>> your wife's still there?
26:58>> Yes.
26:58>> Okay. Cuz your aunt and your mom are at
27:01the laundry place working.
27:03>> They come back. Uh
27:05>> hold on. Your your wife is still here?
27:07>> Yes.
27:08>> So, your dad is gone. It's you and your
27:10wife
27:11>> and your three kids. and my kids and uh
27:14uh my
27:16uh mom and aunt come back from work.
27:18>> So okay. So what time is that where you
27:20guys are there and dad's at church?
27:23>> Uh
27:25afternoon s I don't remember but I I
27:28know
27:28>> so some So would you agree it's sometime
27:30between noon and 3 because the dance
27:33class starts at 3.
27:34>> Yes I my third dance class 3 p.m.
27:38>> Okay. So the three women are there.
27:43>> Yes.
27:43>> Your wife, your mom, and your aunt.
27:46>> Yes.
27:46>> And your three kids. And you?
27:48>> Yes.
27:48>> Okay. Then what happens?
27:51>> Uh
27:53they uh
27:57my kids my kids come back from uh dance
28:01class.
28:01>> Okay. Let's start about when they leave.
28:02Okay.
28:03>> Yes.
28:04>> Your wife takes them to dance class?
28:05>> Um yes.
28:07>> Okay. My wife. Yes, my wife takes bill.
28:10>> Okay. Does does she drop them off and
28:13come home or does she stay there with
28:14them?
28:15>> She stay It's only 1 hour. So So it's 3
28:17to 4.
28:18>> Yeah. She don't come back. She stay
28:19there with them.
28:20>> So she and the kids are at dance class.
28:23>> Yes.
28:23>> So now it's you, your aunt, and your
28:26mom.
28:27>> Cuz your dad's still at church.
28:29>> No. Came back.
28:30>> Dad come back. Yes.
28:30>> Okay. So dad comes back. Okay. Did he
28:33come back before your kids left
28:35>> or after your kids? Uh,
28:39I
28:39>> I [clears throat] understand you've been
28:40through a lot, man. I get it.
28:42>> I'm just trying to help me here.
28:44>> I I don't remember.
28:45>> Okay.
28:46>> So, your wife and kids are gone. So, now
28:49it's you, your aunt.
28:50>> Yes.
28:51>> Your mother.
28:53>> Yes.
28:53>> And your father.
28:54>> Your dad. It's your mom and dad. Okay.
28:57>> What happens then? What do you guys talk
28:58about? You guys hanging out? You still
29:00laying on the floor? My
29:03uh
29:05my mom uh my Yeah.
29:12My mom uh and my dad
29:16they they go for shopping.
29:19>> Okay. What? Grocery shopping or for
29:22clothes or
29:23>> uh uh maybe clothes.
29:25>> Okay.
29:26>> Yeah. Yeah. I remember she uh my dad
29:30said hurry up because a store closed at
29:326:00 on Saturday.
29:34>> Okay.
29:34>> So they left.
29:35>> So they left. Mom and dad leave.
29:37>> Yes.
29:37>> Okay. So now it's you and your aunt.
29:40>> Uh my kids come back
29:43>> and your kids and wife now. Okay.
29:44>> And uh then uh
29:47>> so sometime before 6:00 because the
29:48store closes at 6:00. Mom and dad leave.
29:51>> Yes.
29:51>> Okay.
29:52>> And then uh mom and dad come back after
29:54a little bit. after a little bit hour.
29:57>> Uh maybe. Yes.
29:58>> Okay.
29:59>> Uh yeah, maybe 1 hour. And uh my sister,
30:03she also go to dance class.
30:05>> Okay.
30:06>> She come back from dance class.
30:08>> Okay. So now everyone's back.
30:10>> Yes.
30:10>> Everybody who lives there is now back in
30:12the apartment. Correct.
30:14>> Uh yes.
30:15>> Okay.
30:16>> Uh my my sister and my brother uh they
30:19come.
30:20>> Okay. So now in the apartment at this
30:22time is you
30:24>> correct?
30:25>> Everybody.
30:26>> Okay. So I just want to name everybody.
30:27So cuz it's it's can be confusing for
30:29us. We don't know your family.
30:31>> Yes.
30:31>> Okay. So it's so it's you.
30:33>> Yes.
30:33>> Your wife.
30:34>> My wife. My kids.
30:35>> Your kids. Your three kids.
30:37>> Yeah. My mom.
30:38>> Your mom.
30:39>> Dad.
30:39>> Your dad.
30:40>> My
30:40>> your aunt.
30:41>> My brother. My sister.
30:43>> Your brother and your sister. So there's
30:44Okay.
30:45>> Yeah. And um
30:47>> then what time is this? Is this dinner
30:49time? Uh uh
30:52uh my
30:55yes maybe dinner time.
30:58>> Did you guys eat together?
31:00>> Uh my uh I cook for my
31:04uh in the in the afternoon.
31:06>> Okay.
31:06>> When uh
31:11>> yes I cook my for my kids. They eat
31:15>> at at lunchtime
31:16>> uh
31:16>> or at dinner time? Uh lunch time.
31:19>> Okay.
31:21>> I I think uh
31:25I think uh
31:29around noon time. Maybe maybe 2 3 p.m.
31:33>> Sure.
31:34>> Yeah. I I I I have I have picture of
31:37that food when I cooked.
31:38>> Oh, okay.
31:39>> Cuz I uh I uh I remember I sent that
31:42picture to my sister.
31:43>> Okay.
31:44>> Because she liked that food too,
31:46>> right? Uh I I said uh
31:50yeah I sent her a picture and
31:53yeah I I yes I did and then uh my uh uh
31:57when uh yes my brother my sister uh come
32:02home we uh we're talking and then my
32:06daughters
32:08uh they they they wanted to uh go eat in
32:13the restaurant not home and my uh uh my
32:18sister and my brother they uh
32:24uh uh
32:26they okay my brother and sister wanted
32:29to go to picture the Avengers.
32:31>> Okay.
32:32>> But then uh my sister said no seats, no
32:36tickets available,
32:37>> right?
32:39Uh and then uh they decide
32:43that they take kids to
32:46uh to the Indian Indian restaurant.
32:48>> Okay.
32:49>> And I
32:54Yes. They go
32:56and I leave for uh I leave. I want to uh
33:01fix light on my truck because D stop you
33:06if lights if lights are not working.
33:09>> Okay.
33:10>> Um I go
33:14and uh
33:16I Yeah, I go and fix lights. I only pull
33:21like
33:23three maybe four lights out of trailer.
33:26Look for wiring everything.
33:29Uh,
33:30and I couldn't see it. It was getting
33:33darker and my back was getting bad again
33:35because of cold wind and uh and my back
33:39was hurting all day.
33:41>> Okay. I came back.
33:43Uh
33:46uh when I when I go inside
33:51uh my when I go inside my my mom
33:57uh my wife
34:00and my uh aunt
34:04u
34:06and I go call them
34:09like
34:11mommy.
34:14Mi
34:16bolo.
34:18Uh
34:20I they they're all bleeding.
34:24>> Okay.
34:25>> And uh
34:27I thought
34:29uh maybe
34:30first when I see my mom
34:33uh I uh I thought she fell on the ground
34:39and hit the hit the head. So, you saw
34:41your mom first?
34:42>> Yes.
34:44>> Okay.
34:44>> And uh then I see my wife.
34:49Uh when I walk, I see my wife and I see
34:54my aunt right here
34:55>> in the same room.
34:57>> Yes. My wife right here. Uh and uh by
35:02the kitchen.
35:03>> And And what did you see on your on your
35:05wife?
35:06>> All bleeding.
35:07>> Okay.
35:07>> All bleeding. And then I
35:10uh then I go
35:13uh I I go everybody I go everybody and I
35:19see my dad.
35:21Uh he's in the bed and uh
35:28>> yeah he's bleeding too.
35:29>> Okay.
35:30>> And I call 911.
35:32And I call 911. Okay. Uh
35:36uh
35:37then I'm going to everyone. Maybe
35:40somebody talking. Maybe someone tell me
35:43what happened. No one talking.
35:45>> Okay. How long do you think you were
35:47gone from?
35:49>> What time do you think you left the
35:51apartment to go fix your shirt?
35:52>> I uh
35:54>> Was it still light outside?
35:55>> Yes. Yes.
35:56>> Okay.
35:57>> Uh I I think uh
36:01Okay. I
36:05I think maybe seven
36:06>> about about seven
36:08>> maybe. Yes. Because I remember from uh
36:11my sister coming back from dance class.
36:13I know her timing.
36:16>> Okay.
36:16>> Yeah.
36:17>> But the kids are three to four.
36:18>> Yes. Kids are home already.
36:21>> But your sister takes dance too.
36:23>> Yes. She she takes after her kids.
36:26>> Okay. So she takes her own she dances
36:29herself.
36:30>> Yes. She she's on a dancing team.
36:32>> Okay. And they practice.
36:33>> Yes.
36:34>> From 6:00 to 7:00.
36:36>> Uh
36:36>> 5 to 7.
36:37>> I I don't know exact time but I know she
36:41always tell me that her
36:44she is also coach for my older sister uh
36:48older daughter.
36:49>> Okay.
36:50>> So she take her class and then she take
36:53hers. Sure. And then she came back.
36:57>> Okay. And she And you think that's about
36:597:00?
37:00>> Yes. Maybe 7. talk to her for a second.
37:02>> Uh I I can tell you exact time because
37:05uh when I was going to my truck,
37:09my uncle from Connecticut called
37:12>> Okay.
37:12>> He is uh he is visiting uh California.
37:16>> Okay.
37:17>> And uh since I drive truck, I he he uh
37:22he wanted to ask me where is what town.
37:25>> Okay. So you know, so that's when you're
37:27driving to your truck, he calls you on
37:29the phone.
37:29>> Yes. I So,
37:30>> so we can we can tell what time you were
37:32driving to your truck.
37:32>> Yes.
37:33>> What did you drive to your truck? What
37:35kind of car did you drive?
37:36>> Uh, my car.
37:38>> What kind of car is it?
37:39>> Uh, the Infiniti.
37:41>> Okay.
37:42>> What year?
37:43>> I It's 2010.
37:45>> Okay. 2010 Infiniti. And do you park it
37:48right in front of the apartment and you
37:50park it uh
37:51>> far away or?
37:52>> Yes,
37:52>> it's it's a it's all all all cars are uh
37:56parked in front of the apartment.
37:58>> Okay. So, right in front of the
37:59apartment.
38:00>> Yes.
38:01>> Okay. So, you drive. Tell me about Sugar
38:03Creek.
38:04>> I
38:06I just go and uh when I go there
38:11uh
38:13my uncle call, I talk to him for a
38:15minute.
38:16>> Okay.
38:16>> And tell him and then uh I work on my
38:20truck.
38:22>> Okay. And how long do you think you work
38:23on your truck?
38:24>> I I don't remember.
38:28I don't remember exact time, but I know
38:30it was getting dark and I couldn't see
38:34uh the wiring and everything. So, I uh
38:38put everything back together and came
38:40back home
38:40>> and the truck is still sitting there.
38:42>> Yes.
38:43>> Okay. Where do you park it?
38:44>> Uh Sugar Creek.
38:46>> I know. Where at? Like if I'm facing
38:48Sugar Creek and the Bobcat's to my left,
38:51where would you park it? Is in the
38:52front? It's on the side.
38:53>> Okay. You You turn into Sugar Thief. You
38:57turn Mhouser. Sugar leaf. It's all the
39:00way in the back over here.
39:01>> And what kind of truck is it?
39:02>> Peter belt.
39:03>> What color?
39:04>> Uh it's blue and black.
39:05>> Blue and black. Peter built. Did it say
39:06your name on the side?
39:08>> It says rolling wheels.
39:10>> Rolling wheels. Rolling wheels. Like
39:11trucking.
39:12>> Yes, it's my company name. Rolling.
39:14>> So, do you have any other employees?
39:16>> No, I I am only driver.
39:17>> Okay. Owner operator.
39:19>> Okay. So, then you drive. Do you go do
39:21you come straight home or do you get do
39:23you stop anywhere else?
39:24>> Oh yes I uh
39:27I uh I stop at the uh
39:30uh UDF.
39:32>> Which UDF?
39:32>> Uh the uh
39:35uh port union. No, the Yeah. Port Union.
39:38I get gas
39:39>> on the way back.
39:39>> On the way back.
39:40>> UDF gas.
39:41>> Yes.
39:41>> How'd you pay for that?
39:42>> Uh credit card.
39:43>> Credit card. Okay.
39:44>> On the pump.
39:45>> On the pump. Okay. And then you got back
39:47in your car.
39:48>> Yeah. And then you drove
39:50>> and I I came
39:53uh and I came home.
39:56Uh I parked my car and all the when I
39:59walk
40:01uh the
40:03Here's my mom and here's my
40:07>> Okay. So you parked your car
40:09>> parked in the same spot that you left or
40:11is it a different spot?
40:12>> I I don't know cuz sparks are always
40:16mixed up because uh Do do you would you
40:19feel you parked far away or close?
40:22>> Um
40:25I think close.
40:27>> Okay. You think close?
40:28>> Yeah, cuz Okay. There uh there's a a
40:33apartments in that
40:34>> right
40:35>> in that section and everybody parks in
40:38those spots. They they get all mixed.
40:41Some whoever gets their whoever gets
40:44whatever parking spot they park there.
40:46It's not assigned or anything.
40:48>> Okay. So, you park and then you go to
40:51the apartment. Is it locked?
40:53>> No,
40:53>> the door's open.
40:54>> Door open.
40:55>> Was it already open or was it shut?
40:57>> No, door was open.
40:58>> It was already wide open.
40:59>> Yeah. Door open and that's when I
41:02>> What did you Is that Is that odd? Is
41:03that
41:04>> Sometimes Sometime we go home a lot.
41:08Sometime we open door.
41:10>> The We're talking about the green front
41:12door. Correct.
41:13>> Yeah. Yeah. The big door. The main door.
41:16The main door. Okay.
41:16>> Yeah. Sometime it gets
41:17>> You didn't walk in through the sliding
41:19door is what I'm asking.
41:20>> No, the uh
41:21>> the glass door.
41:22>> No,
41:22>> you did not go through the glass.
41:23>> No, the front door.
41:24>> What was the Was it shut? The glass
41:26door. Do you remember?
41:26>> Uh
41:31I think it was No,
41:34>> I don't remember.
41:34>> Okay. No, I see.
41:37Uh
41:39no, it was it was closed.
41:40>> Okay. I see the uh because before it
41:45gets dark
41:47um
41:49when you can see like when lights are on
41:53we close the uh blinds.
41:56>> Okay.
41:56>> So it would close blinds were closed.
41:58Yes.
41:58>> Okay. So when you get to the front door
41:59it is wide open.
42:01>> Yes. I
42:02>> Is it damaging?
42:03>> Uh
42:03>> do you remember?
42:05>> I was anything odd about it?
42:08I don't because as soon as I see the
42:11door, I see my mom. Okay. And I go
42:13right. I was like, "Mom, what's wrong?"
42:16And um then I step inside.
42:20Uh
42:22and then I see my wife over there and
42:25then I see my aunt and then I get told
42:28you sir. Uh I just I don't remember a
42:34whole lot after that. I just like when I
42:36see them bleeding and on the ground,
42:41I my brain stop working.
42:43>> Okay.
42:45>> All right. Um
42:48do you need anything right now?
42:50>> No, I'm good.
42:51>> Um
42:54>> I'm going to step out for a second.
42:55Okay.
42:56>> Yes.
42:56>> If you need anything, you let us know
42:57and we'll get it for you. Okay.
42:59>> Okay.
42:59>> Just try and put things together. Can I
43:01please talk to uh kind of my my my kids
43:04please and my kids or Yes.
43:08>> Right now we're just trying to figure
43:10out Sir I understand that
43:13my kids are very little.
43:14>> I know. And I don't want to traumatize
43:16them any more than than we have to right
43:19now. Okay. I need your mind focused for
43:21me. All right. It's very very important.
43:24Do you understand,
43:25>> sir? I do whatever you tell me.
43:28>> I understand. And I just need you to
43:29stay with me, man. Okay. Your kids are
43:32okay. We checked on them. I just I don't
43:34want to cloud your mind, okay? Cuz I
43:36need you. All right. You're very
43:37important to me.
43:39>> Okay.
43:41>> Okay.
43:41>> Cuz we want to find out what happened.
43:42>> Yes, sir. Please find out.
43:43>> Okay. We do bad.
43:45>> Please, sir. I
43:46>> And you're the only guy we have right
43:47now that can tell me anything. So, we
43:50want to keep picking your brain a little
43:52bit. Okay.
43:53>> And I know you It's hard when you've
43:55seen a lot of stuff like you've seen.
43:56Okay. I can't even I can't even imagine.
43:59Okay. So, just take some time, drink
44:01some water, and I'll be back with you.
44:04All right.
44:17>> Why
44:21did this?
44:23That's what I'm trying to understand.
44:24Who would do this? Mhm.
44:27>> And why you know
44:39why couldn't why couldn't that person
44:42just come and talk to me you know like
44:44hey
44:46you're doing or your family is doing
44:48this wrong to me or us
44:50>> stop
44:53right I would have said sorry and
44:55heartbeat. I would have changed the way
44:58I live, the place I live, the work I do.
45:02>> Mhm.
45:03>> But not this.
45:06It's not this is not the right way.
45:08>> Right.
45:09>> Absolutely.
45:14>> I I'm still trying to I'm still trying
45:18to understand. It still
45:22seems to me it hadn't even happened. I
45:26can't believe it.
45:31>> I can't believe it. Is it?
45:37This is This is very bad.
45:41bad bad.
46:08You want to get you some more water or
46:10anything right now?
46:14I don't feel anything.
46:16>> No, I'm
46:21as well.
46:24>> I died, too.
46:26>> Why would you want that?
46:30>> Look what happened to me. Look what
46:32happened to my family. Mhm.
46:36What about your kids?
46:40>> Yeah.
46:44I
46:46>> love your kids, right?
46:48>> More than my life.
46:50>> Mhm.
46:55>> More than my life.
46:58>> It's very important, right?
47:02>> When I'm at work, I sleep only two,
47:06three, maybe 4 hours, 24 hours. Why?
47:09because I want to give good life to my
47:13kids and my family
47:16>> and it's just like that
47:20>> you know
47:56My brother's still here.
47:58>> I believe you might.
48:00>> Can Can I please see him?
48:03>> Um, I'll have to check and see if he's
48:05still here.
48:05>> He's He's He's He's still okay though.
48:09>> Okay.
48:09>> He's still okay. Please.
48:10>> How old is he?
48:13He is I think uh uh close to seven
48:18eight.
48:19>> Okay.
48:19>> But I don't He's kid to me, you know.
48:22>> Sure.
48:23>> He's always your brother.
48:24>> Yeah.
48:25>> He's your little kid brother.
48:26>> Yeah. Kid brother.
48:30>> We'll check and see if he's still here.
48:32>> Yeah. At least, sir. Please.
48:34>> I I want to see anyone from my family.
48:38Do you think he would travel?
48:41>> Him? No, he's just drive truck.
48:45>> Mhm.
48:46>> Bark on truck on the weekend,
48:49ride his motorcycle. He just bought a
48:51motorcycle. That's that's all his life.
48:54>> Yeah.
48:54>> What kind of motorcycle do you get?
48:56>> Uh
48:58I think he's got some kind of
49:03Ducati. I remember he he sent me a
49:05picture. It's
49:06>> a dangerous bike to be on.
49:10I mean, what can you say, right? He
49:15wanted one for him.
49:16>> Mhm.
49:16>> For his birthday. He's got it.
49:19>> But can you please check?
49:21>> Mhm. I will. Um.
49:25>> Okay. Let me check on him. Are you sure
49:27you don't want any water or anything
49:28like that?
49:29>> No, I'm I'm good.
49:30>> What? So, you don't think he would have
49:32any ideas to who did this kind of thing?
49:35Who would want to do this?
49:36>> I don't. I I wish I did.
49:42>> Okay. All right. Just let us know if you
49:45need something. I'll check on him and
49:47I'll let you know. Okay.
49:49>> Please don't see no man.
49:52>> Oh, we'll see if he's over here.
50:13All right, Gary.
50:16I got formality I got to do with you.
50:18Okay.
50:20>> Um,
50:22first off,
50:24you don't own any guns. I'm not accusing
50:26you anything, but you don't own any
50:27guns.
50:27>> So, yes, I do.
50:28>> You do? What do you own?
50:30>> Uh, it's a uh Beretta.
50:33>> Beretta? What kind of Betta? Uh, I can
50:36uh I can give it to you.
50:38>> Where is it?
50:39>> At home.
50:40>> It's in your house?
50:41>> Yes.
50:41>> Okay. Where is it at in your house?
50:43>> Uh, you you go in a closet. Uh, you go
50:47into my bedroom all the way.
50:49>> Okay.
50:50>> Go to closet.
50:52Uh, it's in the closet in the in in the
50:55uh corner.
50:56>> In the closet. In the corner. Box or is
50:58it just sitting there?
50:58>> It's in a box.
50:59>> Okay. It's in a box.
51:01>> It's in a uh it's in a Okay. It's a
51:04small bag.
51:06Uh, and it's in a box. And the box is in
51:09a bag.
51:10>> Okay. Where did you buy the gun from?
51:12>> Uh, I bought it from uh
51:15uh he's a family friend.
51:18>> So, how long ago? How long have you had
51:19the gun?
51:20>> Um,
51:23a few years. I would say three, four
51:25years.
51:25>> How often do you shoot it?
51:30>> Not often. Not often. A matter of fact,
51:33it's been it's been uh Yeah. Not often.
51:37It's it's right there.
51:38>> I know.
51:39>> Yeah.
51:39>> How many How many When's the last time
51:42you shot it?
51:43>> Uh
51:46I I don't remember.
51:48>> You don't remember?
51:49>> Uh it's been that So it's been Has it
51:51been a year?
51:53>> I Yes, I would say. Say, where did you
51:55shoot it last? Do you remember? Uh
51:58that was the uh
52:02uh what's it called? Uh Target World.
52:04>> Target World.
52:05>> Yes.
52:05>> That's the last time you shot it was
52:07Target World.
52:07>> Yeah. And and matter of fact, uh it's uh
52:13um how you say that? Like
52:17uh it's it's in the box and
52:19>> Okay.
52:19>> Yeah.
52:20>> What caliber is it?
52:22>> 90.
52:22>> 9 millimeter. Yes.
52:24>> Okay. Is that the only gun you've ever
52:25owned?
52:26>> Yes.
52:27>> You never bought any other guns? You
52:29never traded one here, traded one there?
52:31Cuz I did that. Like I'll get a gun, I'm
52:32like, "Oh, this one."
52:33>> Yeah. But I
52:36after I bought that, I was like, "Why
52:38are I even spend money on this?"
52:40>> Oh, okay. Did you have different guns
52:41before that gun?
52:43>> I mean, that one. No, only this gun. But
52:46why did I even that want that?
52:49>> Oh, you didn't need it is what you're
52:50saying. So, so you've only bought one
52:53gun in your entire life and you don't
52:54even really need it. That's what you're
52:55saying.
52:56>> Yeah.
52:56>> Okay. That being said, okay, here's what
52:58I need to do. Okay. Since you um were in
53:01a in a scene where somebody was shot,
53:03okay, multiple people were shot and
53:05killed. Okay.
53:06>> Um I need your Did you say they were
53:09shot?
53:10>> Yeah.
53:12>> Yeah.
53:15I mean, that's what we believe at this
53:16point.
53:18Okay. Who would do that?
53:22But no, no one told me that uh I'm
53:25telling you right now they were shot.
53:27That's what we believe. I don't know
53:29that 100%, but that's what we believe at
53:31this point.
53:32>> Someone go that bad.
53:34>> I don't know. I wasn't there. That's why
53:36I'm trying to get you to help me figure
53:37out who did this.
53:39>> Okay.
53:41>> So, what I'm going to do, okay, is I I'm
53:43going to This is called a gunshot
53:44residue kit. Okay. Okay. But I can't do
53:48>> What is it?
53:49>> It's a gunshot residue kit. I'm going to
53:51I'm going to fill it out. Okay. Then I'm
53:53going to take some swabs of your hands.
53:54Make sure you haven't been shooting guns
53:56just to rule you out. Okay. It's just
53:57what we do to everybody.
54:00>> Okay.
54:00>> Okay. But Okay. Someone's talking.
54:04>> Yeah. That's what we think. Yes.
54:08>> Okay. Do you understand?
54:12All right.
54:14And um
54:17again,
54:22so okay, what is this again?
54:24>> Okay, two things. First,
54:27I'm going to check you real quick. Okay,
54:29not that I think you got a gun on you,
54:30but my bosses are watching. All right,
54:32and I'm going to make sure you don't
54:33have anything on you. Is that cool with
54:35you?
54:35>> He checked already.
54:36>> I'm going to do it again. Are you cool
54:37with that? Is that okay?
54:41Okay. I'm not I'm cool with it, but
54:44Okay. I mean, he checked me, but you
54:46want to check me?
54:47>> Yeah, I do. Is that okay? That's fine.
54:50>> Okay. And then we'll fill this form out
54:52and then we'll explain it to you. Okay.
54:55Just go ahead and stand up for me.
54:59Just put your hands right here. Right
55:01here. Okay.
55:03I'm just going to hold him just for a
55:05second. Okay.
55:10I take my clothes over if you want.
55:12>> I know you will. It's just It's just for
55:14my own peace of mind and everybody here.
55:18Okay.
55:21Please bring your feet up just a little
55:23bit for me.
55:24>> Yeah.
55:30>> All right, Gary. Have a seat. Okay. All
55:32right, buddy. Thank you. I appreciate
55:34that.
55:34>> I don't have any.
55:35>> Okay.
55:38God. What this is,
55:40this is called a This is called a gun
55:42gunshot residue.
55:44>> Yeah.
55:44>> Evidence collection kit. Okay.
55:47>> We swap your hands and it'll tell us if
55:49if you've had any recent firearms
55:54contamination with your hands.
55:55>> What you have to do, do but please find
55:57out.
55:57>> Well, that's what we want to do. Okay.
55:59Why stop?
56:01>> I don't know. That's why I'm I'm trying
56:03to pick your brain. I need you to help
56:04me. Who would do this?
56:06You know, somebody would have done it.
56:08Somebody did it.
56:10Okay.
56:12I need you to uh write your name right
56:14there for me. It says, and then I'll
56:17read it to you. What? What is it? This
56:20is a consent for me to take the swab
56:22from your hand. Okay. Okay.
56:26>> All right. says I and then put your name
56:36and it says have been formed by police
56:38officer. That's me. I'm going to write
56:39my name right here. It's going to say
56:41Detective Randy Ferris on it. Okay.
56:53who made identification as a law
56:55enforcement officer of the Westchester
56:56Police Department right not to have a
56:59search made of the premises or property
57:01owned by me
57:03or under my care custody.
57:05>> Okay.
57:06>> You all right?
57:07>> Oh, I want to go home. I want to go
57:12home. You like
57:15maybe they're in danger. I want to go
57:17home right now.
57:19>> Please have a seat for me. Okay.
57:21>> No.
57:21>> No. We're We're going to talk some more.
57:23Okay. Why didn't Listen to me. Why were
57:25everybody telling me to?
57:28>> Hey, listen.
57:30Okay. Listen. I can't have you go home
57:33right now. Okay. All right.
57:34>> I No. Listen to me. I'm a police
57:36officer. I want you have the right to
57:37remain silent. Anything you say can and
57:39will be used in a court of law against
57:41you. That you have a right to consult
57:42with a lawyer before and during any
57:44questioning. Have a lawyer present with
57:45you while you're being questioned. That
57:47if you cannot afford a lawyer, one will
57:48be appointed for free before any
57:50questioning. that you may not that you
57:52may stop talking to me or any other
57:53police officer at any time for during
57:55any question. Do you understand all your
57:56rights I have read? Okay. And the only
57:58reason I have to read these to you. Do
57:59you understand these rights?
58:00>> Yes, I do.
58:00>> Do you wish to talk to us without a
58:02lawyer present?
58:03>> No.
58:04>> You want you want a lawyer?
58:05>> I I don't want to talk. I want to go to
58:07my kids. Someone shop. My family might
58:10get there alone. I am sitting stupid
58:13here.
58:13>> Okay. I need you to put your name.
58:16>> Put your name right here. Just I read it
58:18to you. Okay. Okay. So, that means I I I
58:21go to my kids.
58:22>> No, you're going to sit here for a
58:23minute.
58:23>> No, I want to go to my kids.
58:25>> You got to sit here for a minute.
58:26>> No.
58:27>> Okay.
58:27>> No, I want to go to my kids. I'll be
58:29back.
58:29>> I got told you I said everything. No one
58:32told me that they were shot. You telling
58:35me now
58:37and shooters out there?
58:42Oh my god.
58:49This is wrong. This is wrong. And no one
58:52told me that this will happen. Everyone
58:55was saying like something happened or
58:57something.
58:59Really, man?
59:04I trust I trust police and police tell
59:06me this. But no, I want I want to go to
59:09my kids.
59:13>> How can you stay here?
59:14>> No. No. Oh no. However, I know
59:17>> you're going to have to stay here.
59:18>> No, I I know why. Why?
59:20>> Stop.
59:20>> Why?
59:21>> I got to talk to you.
59:22>> Okay. Talk to me. Okay. I'm here.
59:23>> You got to stay in here.
59:24>> I'm here.
59:25>> You got to stay in the
59:27>> Okay. We're going to write a search
59:29warrant to take the rescue off your
59:30hand.
59:31>> You did it. No. No.
59:32>> No. We're going to You didn't want to
59:34consent to it.
59:34>> Yes. You're right. But we're going to
59:35write
59:36>> I don't want to do anything. I want to
59:37be my kids. That's it. Okay. You just
59:39need to have a seat. Okay.
59:41>> Why? Because you you were here with us.
59:43>> What's wrong? What wrong did I do? Why
59:45would I sit here?
59:47>> Because we're trying to figure out what
59:48went on.
59:48>> Oh, the police right now. I gave you
59:50everything. I am staying. I'm right
59:51here.
59:53>> No, I I don't want no seat. I want to go
59:55home.
59:55>> You need to sit down.
59:56>> Why?
59:56>> Because for me, Gary,
59:58>> I've been sitting here. I've been
1:00:00telling everything you wanted to ask.
1:00:03>> Gary, we're going to get started.
1:00:05>> We are going to get a search warrant for
1:00:06your hand.
1:00:07>> Please.
1:00:07>> You have to stay here.
1:00:08>> Please. No. Get me a search warrant.
1:00:10Come to me. Do what?
1:00:11>> You have to stay here.
1:00:12>> Why? Cuz I said so.
1:00:13>> No.
1:00:15>> We were getting a search for her.
1:00:16>> No.
1:00:17>> Yes.
1:00:17>> No. I
1:00:18>> That's how that's going to go.
1:00:19>> Okay. Go search her.
1:00:21>> Why?
1:00:22>> No. I want my lawyer. I don't want have
1:00:24a seat.
1:00:24>> I don't want to do anything with you.
1:00:26>> Understand? Then sit down.
1:00:28>> Why? No, I don't want to sit down.
1:00:29>> You have to sit down.
1:00:30>> Why?
1:00:30>> Cuz I asked you to. I don't want
1:00:32>> What did I do wrong?
1:00:34>> Sir, please.
1:00:36>> I'm just My kids are alone.
1:00:37>> Listen.
1:00:38>> With a little girl.
1:00:39>> I understand. Listen.
1:00:40>> No. Listen to me. No. Are you listening
1:00:43to me? You're not free to go. Why? You
1:00:45have to have a seat.
1:00:46>> Why not? I am free to go. Why? Because I
1:00:48>> Because I'm I'm getting a search warrant
1:00:50for your
1:00:50>> Yes.
1:00:51>> Okay. You're not free to go. Why not
1:00:53stay nearby us?
1:00:54>> Why not?
1:00:55>> For questioning still.
1:00:57>> You have been asking me questions for
1:00:59last.
1:01:00>> I understand. I understand. And And in
1:01:02the moment, you said you didn't want to
1:01:04talk to us anymore. Without a lawyer, we
1:01:05can't question you anymore.
1:01:06>> Yes. Don't question me.
1:01:07>> We're not. But we have the right to hold
1:01:09you here to get search warrant through
1:01:10your hands. No. No.
1:01:11>> Yes, we do.
1:01:12>> Okay, but I I'm not doing anything. Did
1:01:14you you guys search for them?
1:01:16>> Have a seat, Gary.
1:01:17>> Sir, leave for me.
1:01:19>> I get down alone. They're in danger.
1:01:21>> No, they're not.
1:01:22>> They're not. Yes,
1:01:23>> they're not in danger right now. They
1:01:24are.
1:01:25>> Tell me why.
1:01:26>> Someone shot my family.
1:01:28>> Okay. How does he Okay. I can't let you
1:01:31leave.
1:01:31>> Why not?
1:01:32>> Cuz you're not free to go.
1:01:33>> Okay. I'll come back. Let me go. I come
1:01:36back.
1:01:36>> You can,
1:01:37>> sir.
1:01:37>> You can't.
1:01:38>> Please. But I look I've been doing
1:01:40everything you wanted me to do.
1:01:42>> I know you have and I appreciate it. But
1:01:44>> but right now you have to let me do what
1:01:46I want to do and what I have to
1:01:48>> I have been doing what you want have to
1:01:49do with it. You can't leave.
1:01:51>> Why not?
1:01:52>> Because you're being detained here.
1:01:54>> For what?
1:01:55>> For questioning.
1:01:56>> But do you question?
1:01:57>> We're not going to ask you any more
1:01:58questions. But we're getting a search
1:01:59warrant to get the GSR kit off your hand
1:02:02because you don't want to us.
1:02:04>> You do that all day long. Okay. Listen,
1:02:06listen. Please listen.
1:02:09Send your officer with me. Okay? Or send
1:02:12me with your officer.
1:02:14>> Let me go see by saying you bring me
1:02:16back.
1:02:16>> I don't want to put you in handcuffs.
1:02:17>> I don't I don't want cuz you're getting
1:02:19really upset. I don't understand.
1:02:22>> Yes. Well, you can't leave.
1:02:25>> So, I am not I am not going to go. You
1:02:29send your officer with me in your car. I
1:02:32go see my kids.
1:02:33>> It's not going to happen.
1:02:34>> Why not? because we have to get the
1:02:36gunshot residue hit off your hands.
1:02:38Okay? And we need you here. We can't
1:02:41>> I'll let you leave. I'm not doing
1:02:43anything without my lawyer.
1:02:44>> Okay. Have a seat.
1:02:45>> Yes.
1:02:47>> There's a phone. There's a phone book
1:02:48right there.
1:02:49>> This is wrong. There's a very wrong.
1:02:50>> Okay. There's a phone book right there
1:02:51if you want to call your lawyer.
1:02:52>> I call in the morning.
1:02:54>> Okay. Just hang tight.
1:02:56>> I call in the morning. Any of my
1:02:58family's number kids number.
1:03:01>> Gary, I understand. Relax. Okay. I I got
1:03:04to call my uncle.
1:03:06>> Dial 9.
1:03:09Dial 9.
1:03:13>> Dial 9.
1:03:14>> Yes, I do.
1:03:14>> And then dial the phone number.
1:03:18>> I I don't I don't I don't want to do
1:03:20anything with you guys.
1:03:21>> Okay.
1:03:22>> Nope.
1:03:23>> I don't want to do anything.
1:03:25>> Wow. [ __ ] You need You need any more
1:03:27water?
1:03:27>> You No, I I got to use your uh I got to
1:03:30use the bathroom. And you're treating me
1:03:31like I am the criminal.
1:03:34>> I don't I'm not treating you like that.
1:03:35>> I'm a father.
1:03:36>> I understand.
1:03:37>> I am a husband and son.
1:03:40>> I I understand.
1:03:41>> But you are you I
1:03:43>> Gary. I understand that.
1:03:44>> You don't.
1:03:45>> I do.
1:03:46>> You don't. My kids My kids are alone.
1:03:49>> I understand.
1:03:50>> My kids are What? You have kids?
1:03:52>> Yeah.
1:03:52>> What would you do if this happened to
1:03:54you?
1:03:56>> I would sit here and cooperate with
1:03:58>> Yeah.
1:03:58>> Really? Cooperate with me? I would
1:04:00>> let me go see my
1:04:01>> can't leave.
1:04:02>> Why not?
1:04:03>> Cuz we're getting a search warrant.
1:04:04>> What? What?
1:04:06>> I'm not saying you did anything wrong.
1:04:08>> That's why That's why I'm saying But
1:04:10you're the first guy to show up where
1:04:11four people have been murdered.
1:04:12>> Is that my fault?
1:04:14>> No.
1:04:14>> That's what I'm saying.
1:04:15>> No, but we have certain evidence we need
1:04:17to get if it exists. I'm not saying it's
1:04:19even there.
1:04:20>> But I don't understand your police
1:04:22language. I just All I want to do is be
1:04:25with my kids.
1:04:26>> I can't ask you any more questions.
1:04:28Look, I I'm covered in blood.
1:04:29>> I understand.
1:04:30>> You You think this is so easy for me?
1:04:32>> No, I think
1:04:33>> this is my family's blood.
1:04:34>> I think it's horrible.
1:04:36>> But you're not doing anything about it.
1:04:38>> You're You're near to me like yourself.
1:04:40>> We have We have an entire police
1:04:42department trying to see my brother.
1:04:45Send him in.
1:04:45>> We're not going to let you see your
1:04:46brother.
1:04:47>> Why not?
1:04:48>> Because we're not That's not how police
1:04:49work is is it's not how it works.
1:04:51>> Okay.
1:04:52>> Okay. So, since you don't want to give
1:04:53us consent, which is fine that you're
1:04:55right. We have to get a search warrant
1:04:57to stay here until we do that. Oh god.
1:05:00>> Okay.
1:05:01>> Okay. Am I under arrest?
1:05:03>> You're being detained.
1:05:04>> Am I under arrest?
1:05:05>> You're being detained.
1:05:06>> What does that mean?
1:05:07>> That means you can't leave until we get
1:05:08a search warrant.
1:05:09>> Why not? What's my fault?
1:05:11>> There's evidence, potential evidence on
1:05:13your hands. I don't know.
1:05:15>> I have been sitting here all day. Get
1:05:16your potential.
1:05:18>> Sit down.
1:05:18>> No.
1:05:19>> Here. You're not leaving. Please
1:05:21>> don't touch me.
1:05:22>> What did I do wrong? Let me see. Why
1:05:25would I stay here? You want to figure it
1:05:26out?
1:05:29>> I understand that, but there's no
1:05:31arguing any.
1:05:32>> You're going to stay here and it's
1:05:34final.
1:05:34>> That's it. Okay. Arrest.
1:05:35>> You're going to get arrested.
1:05:36>> You're under detain. You're
1:05:38>> No. No. No. I don't understand or
1:05:40whatever. Back in the ring.
1:05:41>> You arrest the ring.
1:05:42>> You need to get back in the room.
1:05:44>> No. You You He told me now that my
1:05:46family was shot.
1:05:48>> I thought it was an accident.
1:05:50>> He thought it was an accident.
1:05:52>> Four people died.
1:05:54I I was talking to you. Sir, please
1:05:58under arrest me or let me go.
1:06:01>> You're detained. You arrest me or let me
1:06:04go. You're detained. Go on ahead.
1:06:05>> I don't I don't know what the name is.
1:06:08>> Why are you doing this to me?
1:06:11>> See,
1:06:13look.
1:06:14>> Listen. Do you want to sit with your
1:06:15hands free? Which I would prefer.
1:06:17>> I will come back, sir. Thank you. I see
1:06:19my dad. I'm I I'm not going to see my my
1:06:22face.
1:06:23>> Please let me go.
1:06:24>> Come on. Fancy.
1:06:26>> Please let me.
1:06:27>> No. No. Why don't you just arrest me
1:06:30then?
1:06:31>> Fancy.
1:06:31>> Why not? Why not? Let me go.
1:06:35Search.
1:06:36>> You're in false uniform every time.
1:06:38Please take me in your car. I go see my
1:06:42back with you.
1:06:44>> What kind of What kind of law is it? I
1:06:47mean,
1:06:48look how you guys are getting in a
1:06:50position like I am some threat to you,
1:06:52right?
1:06:52>> No, but you can't leave. You're not
1:06:54allowed to leave. But why? Because we're
1:06:56going to search warrant for evidence
1:06:58that it's on you.
1:06:59>> Okay. Search. So, you do what you got to
1:07:01do.
1:07:02>> It's time. A judge has to sign it.
1:07:03>> Okay. Get inside.
1:07:06You're not leaving. You can't leave.
1:07:08>> Why not?
1:07:08>> Because we have to maintain the
1:07:10integrity of any potential evidence that
1:07:12could be on you.
1:07:13>> Okay. I'm not going to do anything
1:07:14unless I have my lawyer.
1:07:17That is that your understand?
1:07:20>> Yes. MC.
1:07:22>> Do you bring your search warrant? Do you
1:07:24bring FBI? You bring your army on me.
1:07:27I'm not giving you anything.
1:07:30I'm not. This is my This is my right
1:07:35and I am using it and I'm leaving.
1:07:40>> I know my right.
1:07:43>> Why are you pushing like this?
1:07:44>> Sit down. No. Why don't you just arrest
1:07:46me?
1:07:47>> You're being detained. Have a seat.
1:07:48>> Put me under arrest. I will stay here
1:07:50gradually.
1:07:51>> Have a seat.
1:07:52>> Why? Cuz I asked you,
1:07:53>> sir. You seem like an
1:07:56>> I I I I Sir, my someone showing them.
1:08:00>> Yes.
1:08:01>> My kids alone. I need to be with them.
1:08:04You need to have a seat.
1:08:05>> Why?
1:08:06>> Cuz I'm asking you to.
1:08:07>> Why are you asking me this? We're going
1:08:09to search for it.
1:08:10>> I'm not staying here unless you arrest
1:08:12me or unless you let me go. Well, you're
1:08:14being detained. You're staying here.
1:08:16>> What does detain mean?
1:08:17>> You're not allowed to leave.
1:08:18>> Why? Because under under what? Under
1:08:22what crime I do?
1:08:24>> You have potential evidence on you that
1:08:25we need to get with a search warrant.
1:08:28>> Okay. If you do what you have to do, I
1:08:30have to get a search warrant first.
1:08:31That's why you have to stay. And when is
1:08:33that?
1:08:33>> Whenever the judge signs one.
1:08:35>> And judge signs one right now.
1:08:37>> Are you Are you serious? You're you're
1:08:39keeping me here away from my kids?
1:08:42>> Yes. And while the shooter is somewhere
1:08:44over there, there's way more police
1:08:46officers than what you see here outlook.
1:08:48Way more and what happened to my family
1:08:53>> with way of way more police officer
1:08:56you're talking about.
1:08:57>> They're trying to figure this out. Same
1:08:58thing we're doing here. So please have a
1:09:00seat. Please forsake my kids.
1:09:02>> Gary, there's nothing you can tell me
1:09:04that will make you leave this room.
1:09:06>> No.
1:09:06>> So So am I under arrest? Am I free to
1:09:08go?
1:09:09>> You were detained. You are not free to
1:09:10go. I don't understand detainment.
1:09:12>> I don't know what to say. You can't
1:09:14>> I I just understand either I'm under
1:09:16arrest or either I'm I'm free to go. You
1:09:19get your search warrant.
1:09:20>> We are getting a search warrant. So I
1:09:21need
1:09:22>> I will I will come back. No,
1:09:23>> but you you're not leaving. You're not
1:09:25listening to me.
1:09:26>> You're not either.
1:09:28>> I am listening to you.
1:09:29>> Sorry. You told me now after that much
1:09:32time that my family was shot.
1:09:35>> Yeah, I did. and and I'm sitting here
1:09:39with you guys while my kids are alone.
1:09:45>> Please
1:09:45>> have a seat. That's all you can do is
1:09:47have a seat.
1:09:48>> Why?
1:09:49>> Cuz ask me to. There's nothing you're
1:09:50going to tell me right now.
1:09:51>> Please don't ask me. Either tell me that
1:09:54I am under arrest or you going to tell
1:09:55me
1:09:55>> you were being detained for a search
1:09:57warrant. That's all I can tell you. You
1:09:59can ask what it is.
1:10:02>> Okay.
1:10:02>> No, sorry. I No, I'm not I'm not doing
1:10:06anything. I I'm telling you wasn't 10
1:10:09minutes.
1:10:11Not even 10 minutes. Your your officer
1:10:13walk with me inside. I see my kids and I
1:10:16walk.
1:10:19>> You sit down.
1:10:20>> You know this is wrong, right?
1:10:22>> No, what we're doing is proper. Have a
1:10:24seat.
1:10:25>> You're I know. Now you're treating me
1:10:27like I am the criminal.
1:10:28>> No, I'm not.
1:10:29>> I know.
1:10:30>> Okay. Have a seat. I understand.
1:10:32>> I'm not giving you anything.
1:10:38You either arrest me or either let me
1:10:40go.
1:10:41>> After the interrogation, the case
1:10:43against Gerprit Singh moved forward in
1:10:45Butler County. Singh was charged in a
1:10:474-count indictment with aggravated
1:10:49murder with [music] each count tied to
1:10:51one of the four victims. Each count also
1:10:54included a firearm specification [music]
1:10:55and a death penalty specification.
1:10:58The case did not end with a jury
1:11:00verdict. Singh's first trial ended in a
1:11:02mistrial after jurors could not reach a
1:11:04[music] unanimous decision. For the
1:11:07retrial, Singh waved his right to a jury
1:11:09and the case was heard by a three judge
1:11:11panel. In May 2024, the panel found
1:11:15Singh guilty [music] on all four counts
1:11:17of aggravated murder along with the
1:11:19firearm specifications and death penalty
1:11:21specifications.
1:11:23During the [music] sentencing phase, the
1:11:25panel considered the aggravating
1:11:26circumstance and the mitigating evidence
1:11:28presented by the defense. In June
1:11:31[music] 2024, the panel sentenced Gerrit
1:11:34Singh to death for the aggravated murder
1:11:36convictions. The court also imposed
1:11:38additional prison time for the firearm
1:11:40specifications.
1:11:42Singh then filed a direct appeal with
1:11:44the Supreme Court of Ohio. The case
1:11:46remains listed as a capital appeal and
1:11:49the execution date remains stayed while
1:11:51the appeal is still [music] pending. If
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