He Offered Him a Job. Hours Later, He Was Dead | Kirkland Lehto Interrogation — Transcript
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- 0:00What do we remember? What what triggered
- 0:02you to pull that gun out?
- 0:06>> I don't know.
- 0:08Voices in my head.
- 0:09>> What voices?
- 0:12>> Voices in my head. I'm not sure.
- 0:19>> On July 6th, 2021,
- 0:22Christopher Sean Rogers was riding in a
- 0:24pickup truck through Loxahatchee,
- 0:26Florida.
- 0:27>> [music]
- 0:27>> Christopher was 31 and owned a painting
- 0:30business.
- 0:31Just hours earlier, he'd offered work to
- 0:34someone he'd only recently met. [music]
- 0:36A young man named Kirkland Evan Ledo.
- 0:39Christopher was sitting in the backseat
- 0:40[music]
- 0:41while Kirkland was up front beside the
- 0:43driver, Andrew Silpot.
- 0:45During the ride, shots were fired inside
- 0:48the truck, striking Christopher [music]
- 0:49several times.
- 0:51Andrew initially headed toward a
- 0:53hospital, but when he saw Christopher
- 0:55unresponsive in the rearview mirror, he
- 0:58pulled over and called 911.
- 1:01Deputies arrived and pronounced [music]
- 1:02Christopher dead at the scene.
- 1:05According to Andrew, there had been no
- 1:07argument or confrontation leading up to
- 1:09the shooting.
- 1:11Christopher had offered Kirkland [music]
- 1:12a chance to earn some money earlier that
- 1:14very day, and now Kirkland was suspected
- 1:17[music] of killing him.
- 1:19Investigators with the Palm Beach County
- 1:21Sheriff's Office [music]
- 1:22had Andrew's account of what happened,
- 1:24but they still needed to hear from
- 1:26Kirkland himself.
- 1:28Detectives brought him in for
- 1:29questioning to understand what happened
- 1:31inside the truck [music]
- 1:32and what could have led to Christopher's
- 1:34death.
- 1:35This is the interrogation of Kirkland
- 1:37Evan Ledo.
- 1:42>> Hello.
- 1:42>> Hello.
- 1:43>> How you doing?
- 1:43>> Good. [snorts] How about yourself?
- 1:44>> Not bad. You finish your water? You want
- 1:46more water?
- 1:46>> Uh no, that's fine.
- 1:48>> You sure?
- 1:48>> Uh-uh. Thank you so much.
- 1:52>> All right. So, people might not detect
- 1:55bad words.
- 1:56>> That's cool.
- 1:57>> I'm a woman.
- 1:59What's your name?
- 2:00>> Kirkland.
- 2:00>> Kirkland?
- 2:02All right. Is that your first name or
- 2:04>> Yes.
- 2:04>> It is your first name? All right. What's
- 2:06your
- 2:07>> Evan.
- 2:08Kirkland.
- 2:11>> Evan. What's your last name?
- 2:13>> Lehto.
- 2:13>> Okay. How do you spell that for me?
- 2:15>> L
- 2:17E
- 2:18>> Uh my family's Finnish.
- 2:20>> It's Finnish?
- 2:22>> Uh yeah, Finnish. And then my mom, she
- 2:24calls it like half 57. She says she's a
- 2:26little bit of everything, but my mom's
- 2:27Finnish.
- 2:28>> Oh, okay.
- 2:29Wow.
- 2:29>> And then my dad's Finnish.
- 2:31>> And what's your mom?
- 2:32>> She's She just says half 57, a little
- 2:34bit of everything.
- 2:35>> Oh, wow.
- 2:37Where were you born?
- 2:38>> Right there in Loxahatchee, uh Palms
- 2:40West.
- 2:40>> Oh, so you've been living here for a
- 2:41while.
- 2:42>> Yes.
- 2:44>> All right. What's your birthday?
- 2:45>> Uh 6 26 98.
- 2:48>> Got you.
- 2:49All right. What's your phone number?
- 2:51>> Shh.
- 2:54I just got a new phone number, I think.
- 3:02>> What service company is that with?
- 3:05>> Boost Mobile.
- 3:05>> Boost Mobile?
- 3:07>> No, not Boost. Cricket.
- 3:09>> Cricket. Got you.
- 3:11Cricket what? Cricket Wireless?
- 3:13>> Yes.
- 3:13>> All right.
- 3:15Uh what's your address?
- 3:17>> Uh
- 3:22>> One more time?
- 3:25I don't know what Loxahatchee is.
- 3:26>> No, it's it's really
- 3:28collecting like collecting money.
- 3:29>> Oh, okay. Oh, wow. All right.
- 3:34>> Yes.
- 3:34>> All right.
- 3:36All right.
- 3:38And that's out of Loxahatchee, right?
- 3:39>> Yes.
- 3:40>> All right, cool.
- 3:43All right.
- 3:46All right. So, basically
- 3:48what I'm here to find out is exactly
- 3:49just
- 3:50what happened tonight.
- 3:52>> I don't even remember.
- 3:53>> Okay. So, we'll we'll get into that.
- 3:56Before before we do, I just want to make
- 3:58sure I protect myself and then I protect
- 4:00you. Okay? So, what that means is I'm
- 4:03going to run through a series of
- 4:05statements and if you have any questions
- 4:07about these statements, you let me know.
- 4:08>> Okay.
- 4:08>> All right.
- 4:10Is that
- 4:11They don't I don't know if I'm allowed
- 4:12to use that.
- 4:14All right. Uh you have the right to
- 4:16remain silent and not answer any
- 4:18questions. Do you understand that?
- 4:19>> Yes.
- 4:20>> All right.
- 4:21Uh any statement
- 4:22you make must be freely and voluntarily
- 4:24given. Do you understand that?
- 4:26>> Yes.
- 4:26>> Okay. You have the right to the presence
- 4:28and the representation of a lawyer of
- 4:29your choice before you make any
- 4:30statement during any questioning. Do you
- 4:32understand that?
- 4:33>> Yes.
- 4:33>> All right.
- 4:35Uh if you cannot afford a lawyer, you're
- 4:36entitled to the presence and the
- 4:37representation of a court-appointed
- 4:39lawyer before you make any statement
- 4:40during any questioning. Do you
- 4:41understand that?
- 4:42>> Yes.
- 4:43>> All right. If at any time during the
- 4:44interview, you do not wish to answer any
- 4:46questions, you're privileged to remain
- 4:48silent. Do you understand that?
- 4:49>> Yes.
- 4:50>> Okay. I can make no threats or promises
- 4:52to induce you to make a statement. Can't
- 4:54offer you $100,000 and say, "Hey, tell
- 4:55me what's up."
- 4:56Um this must be on your own free will.
- 4:58Do you understand that?
- 4:59>> Yes.
- 4:59>> All right.
- 5:00Any statement can and will be used
- 5:02against you in the court of law. Do you
- 5:03understand that?
- 5:04>> Yes.
- 5:04>> Okay.
- 5:05Now, I know you said
- 5:08uh you don't remember.
- 5:10>> Thank you, baby.
- 5:11>> you remember?
- 5:13>> I heard a loud like my left ear right
- 5:15now is still ringing.
- 5:16>> It is?
- 5:17>> Yeah.
- 5:17>> Okay.
- 5:18>> Yeah.
- 5:19Like back in the day, I had epilepsy,
- 5:21right? So,
- 5:22like when serious stuff goes on, I like
- 5:24blacked out.
- 5:25>> Okay.
- 5:26>> Next thing you know, we're pulled over
- 5:27on the road.
- 5:28>> Mhm.
- 5:29>> And
- 5:29>> How long you know your man's over here
- 5:31um
- 5:32>> My father and his father have known
- 5:34known each other since since we was
- 5:36babies, yeah. And that was him driving
- 5:38the truck.
- 5:39>> Wait.
- 5:40So, you drive trucks or like you got
- 5:42your CDL and
- 5:43>> I don't know.
- 5:44>> Oh, okay. What do you What do you do for
- 5:45work?
- 5:46>> Nothing at the I've been unemployed for
- 5:48the last year.
- 5:49>> Oh man, sorry to hear that one.
- 5:50>> Yeah, me too. I'm just trying to get
- 5:52back on my feet.
- 5:53>> Got you. Got you. So, where were you
- 5:55looking for jobs?
- 5:58>> I just applied at Publix.
- 5:59>> Mhm.
- 6:00>> Um
- 6:00>> Get anything back?
- 6:02>> No, no word back.
- 6:03>> No? Oh man.
- 6:05>> But
- 6:06I apply places, but it's like my name
- 6:09got thrown out of the rug cuz I you
- 6:11know, I could do a hundred good things
- 6:12for people, but they only remember the
- 6:13one bad thing, you know?
- 6:14>> I hear that, man.
- 6:15>> It's like showed up late for work once,
- 6:17so they just going to remember that one
- 6:18time.
- 6:18>> Got you. Got you.
- 6:20>> That's like when I was doing
- 6:21construction and stuff, so
- 6:22>> Mhm.
- 6:23And how do you know Andrew?
- 6:25>> Yeah.
- 6:25>> Yeah.
- 6:26>> Like I said, our fathers were they known
- 6:28each other for years. He's the dump
- 6:30truck driver that comes over our house.
- 6:32>> Who?
- 6:33>> Andrew.
- 6:33>> Oh.
- 6:34>> And his dad.
- 6:35>> How long have you known him for? You
- 6:36said since
- 6:37>> Since Since I was a jit. Like yeah, like
- 6:39he's he's like
- 6:41I think he's like six or seven years
- 6:42older than me.
- 6:44>> Okay. And he's
- 6:45>> He said he was 29 and then
- 6:47>> How old How old are you?
- 6:49>> Well, I just turned 23 June 26.
- 6:51>> Oh wow. Happy belated, man.
- 6:53>> Thanks, man.
- 6:54>> All right. So, you said So, did you Did
- 6:57you meet up with him today or how did
- 6:58you guys come into contact?
- 6:59>> He just came and picked me up and we had
- 7:01just went out to Berkeley.
- 7:03>> Okay. Oh, you guys drove out west? Okay.
- 7:06Who did you guys go see out west?
- 7:08>> Um we had just grabbed some weed, to be
- 7:10honest with you.
- 7:11>> Got you. Got you. I appreciate you being
- 7:12honest.
- 7:12>> Honestly, damn thank 100%. I guess we
- 7:14just grabbed some weed, like
- 7:16and we was just heading home.
- 7:17>> Okay. And then what happened?
- 7:20>> Just driving down the road, like I said,
- 7:22I heard
- 7:24>> Mhm.
- 7:25>> Like Like I said, my ears still ringing
- 7:27right now. Like
- 7:28>> But what was that pop?
- 7:30>> I think it was a gunshot.
- 7:32>> Okay. What makes you think that?
- 7:34>> Cuz that [ __ ] was loud as up. That [ __ ]
- 7:36was loud.
- 7:36>> Yeah. Where was it coming from?
- 7:39>> Inside.
- 7:40>> Inside the truck? Okay. Now, who had the
- 7:43gun?
- 7:44>> I don't remember.
- 7:45>> You don't remember?
- 7:47Now, you said your left ear was ringing?
- 7:49>> Yeah, still ringing.
- 7:50>> Okay.
- 7:51Um
- 7:53If your If your left ear is ringing,
- 7:55that means the uh
- 7:57the shots might have been pretty close,
- 7:59you'd say?
- 8:00>> 110%.
- 8:01>> Okay.
- 8:03Um
- 8:04at what point did you hear the shots?
- 8:09>> It felt like the shots were so fast and
- 8:10then we were
- 8:12I just woke up and we was on the side of
- 8:13the road.
- 8:14>> Okay. What happened between
- 8:16you hearing the shots and pulling over
- 8:18to the side of the road?
- 8:19>> to the music.
- 8:20>> And where was Andrew?
- 8:22>> Uh driving the truck.
- 8:24>> Okay. Where were you sitting?
- 8:25>> In the passenger seat.
- 8:26>> Okay. And who Who was the guy in the in
- 8:29the back?
- 8:30>> I don't know. It was It was this
- 8:32Andrew's boy, I think.
- 8:33>> Have you ever been with him before?
- 8:35>> No, my first time.
- 8:36>> Okay. Okay. Did he give you any kind of
- 8:38vibes? Did you guys talk or communicate?
- 8:40Were you supposed to get like
- 8:42>> Um
- 8:44uh he would really talk. I would the
- 8:45music was just playing, really.
- 8:47>> Okay. What were you guys listening to?
- 8:52>> I think some PC Tweety.
- 8:53>> Who?
- 8:54>> PC Tweety.
- 8:54>> You got me on that one. Who is that?
- 8:57>> It's out of town. It's a group out from
- 8:59out west.
- 9:00>> Oh, okay. Okay. One of like a local rap,
- 9:02like a street Okay, I got you. So, you
- 9:03were listening to that. Now,
- 9:05did
- 9:08the I think the guy in the back His name
- 9:09is
- 9:10Does that sound familiar?
- 9:11>> What is the guy I don't know his name.
- 9:13>> Okay. But, you know Andrew?
- 9:14>> Yes.
- 9:15>> Okay. That's Andrew's boy. That's not
- 9:16your boy.
- 9:17>> No.
- 9:17>> Okay. Did I I believe his name is
- 9:21say anything to you on the ride to Bell
- 9:24Blade?
- 9:27>> He told I heard him tell Andrew to stop.
- 9:30>> Stop what?
- 9:31>> Stop it.
- 9:32>> Stop what?
- 9:37>> I don't know.
- 9:38>> Did you tell Andrew to stop it?
- 9:40>> Yeah, like stop He said like stop making
- 9:42it worse.
- 9:43>> What do you think he meant by that?
- 9:44>> I don't know.
- 9:46It's like I said, that [ __ ] happened so
- 9:48fast.
- 9:49>> Mhm.
- 9:50Now,
- 9:52uh after speaking with Andrew, he
- 9:54mentioned that um
- 9:56you guys met up earlier today?
- 9:59>> Yeah, he was at um my father's house
- 10:01earlier doing work.
- 10:02>> Got you. What kind of work?
- 10:04>> Uh they were just fixing the property up
- 10:06like doing um
- 10:08driveways like skid steer work. He was
- 10:10driving the dump truck and his dad would
- 10:12be on a skid steer
- 10:14fixing our property up.
- 10:15>> Got you. Is it your Is it your dad's
- 10:17house? Or do you Do you and dad live
- 10:19together?
- 10:19>> Yes.
- 10:20>> Okay. So, fixing up your house
- 10:22basically.
- 10:23>> Well, my dad's house.
- 10:24>> Okay. Well, all right. I get that.
- 10:26>> [laughter]
- 10:26>> Um
- 10:27>> Uh
- 10:28So, basically fixing the house, did you
- 10:31Was it How long had it been since you'd
- 10:32seen him?
- 10:34>> Damn, that was around 3:00 or 4:00.
- 10:37>> No, like I mean, I think you mentioned
- 10:39that you guys haven't seen each other
- 10:40for a while.
- 10:41>> Oh, yeah. Before today, I haven't seen
- 10:43him 6 months.
- 10:44>> 6 months? That's a long time.
- 10:46>> Maybe maybe longer.
- 10:47>> Oh, wow. Do you remember the last time
- 10:49you saw him?
- 10:53>> Not exactly date. Like probably the last
- 10:55time he was at the house doing work.
- 10:57Like that's really when I seen him.
- 10:59I went to high school with his little
- 11:00brother that I know him way more.
- 11:02>> Got you. Got you. Who's his little
- 11:04brother?
- 11:04>> Um Raheem and then he has another little
- 11:07brother um Javon.
- 11:10Javon.
- 11:10>> Javon and Raheem. Javon, Raheem, and
- 11:12Andrew.
- 11:13So, you mess with them more You're cool
- 11:15with them more than you are with Andrew
- 11:17or
- 11:18>> Yeah. Well, I used to be, but mhm King
- 11:21threw me under the bus already. [ __ ]
- 11:23with him though.
- 11:23>> Oh, for real? Damn, I'm sorry to hear
- 11:25that.
- 11:26>> Yeah, he was I thought he was a real
- 11:27one, but everyone showed their hand and
- 11:28do something again.
- 11:29>> You You that.
- 11:31So,
- 11:33you Andrew today, y'all hit it off. Did
- 11:35y'all talk about anything during that
- 11:36time when you saw him?
- 11:39>> Four wheeler rides.
- 11:40>> Mhm.
- 11:42>> They were talking about going fishing.
- 11:43>> Mhm.
- 11:47You mentioned that you tried to sell him
- 11:48sell him something.
- 11:50>> I didn't.
- 11:50>> Mhm.
- 11:52>> Weed.
- 11:53>> No, really? Did you?
- 11:55>> Uh maybe weed.
- 11:57>> Mhm. What about the gun?
- 11:58>> Him and uh
- 12:00Andrew and the dude that was behind me
- 12:02had bought weed at the house.
- 12:04>> Which house?
- 12:05>> The one we had went to earlier to pick
- 12:07up the weed from.
- 12:07>> Gotcha. Oh, in Bell Glade.
- 12:09>> Mhm.
- 12:09>> I gotcha. Now, when you going back to
- 12:12that conversation, did you
- 12:15try to sell Andrew your gun?
- 12:17>> No.
- 12:19>> How long have you had it?
- 12:27>> I don't even remember.
- 12:28>> You don't remember?
- 12:30Was it less than 5 months?
- 12:33>> I don't know.
- 12:35>> What do you mean you don't know?
- 12:39>> Which gun?
- 12:39>> The gun that's uh in the car on the
- 12:42dashboard.
- 12:45>> Oh, I'm not sure.
- 12:46>> You don't know?
- 12:48I'm asking cuz it's it's it's on your
- 12:50side
- 12:51where you said you were sitting. It's
- 12:52it's right on your side where you said
- 12:54you were sitting. And I know he
- 12:56mentioned that you were trying to get
- 12:58some money cuz you were out of work and
- 13:00tried to sell the gun.
- 13:01Which makes sense to me.
- 13:03>> I feel like ever since this [ __ ]
- 13:04happened, that [ __ ]
- 13:05>> What?
- 13:06>> threw me off a little bit like
- 13:07>> Mhm.
- 13:08>> I don't even I don't think I did. I
- 13:10don't think I tried to sell him it. He
- 13:12had his own gun on him.
- 13:13>> Gotcha. Gotcha. But, how long had you
- 13:15had that one for?
- 13:18>> I would say was What are we in? August?
- 13:20>> Yeah.
- 13:22>> No, we we in July.
- 13:24>> Damn, already?
- 13:26That's right. July 6th, 7th. Fast
- 13:28forward. Go ahead.
- 13:29>> I was going to say that July I was
- 13:31>> You right. You right. You right. You
- 13:32right. You right. You right. You right.
- 13:33Your birthday was last month.
- 13:34>> All right. So, probably
- 13:37probably since like maybe
- 13:39January.
- 13:40>> Mhm. Where'd you get Where'd you buy it?
- 13:42>> I don't honestly remember.
- 13:44>> How you get the gun? You don't know how
- 13:45you got it. You don't understand how you
- 13:46got it. It just fell in your lap?
- 13:47>> No, like I had got two guns stolen from
- 13:50my house. I had just bought it from
- 13:53I think a pawn shop.
- 13:54>> Okay. How much The same one that's on
- 13:57the dash, right?
- 13:58>> Mhm.
- 14:00I don't remember, man. That [ __ ] Like I
- 14:02said
- 14:03>> Wait, what kind of gun are you talking
- 14:04about then? You said you bought it from
- 14:06the pawn shop.
- 14:06>> on the dash.
- 14:07>> Okay. How long have you said you've had
- 14:08that one since January?
- 14:10>> I think so.
- 14:11>> You go to the range or anything like
- 14:12that?
- 14:13>> Mhm. No.
- 14:14>> You ever shot a gun?
- 14:16>> Mhm.
- 14:17No, like I don't I don't really be
- 14:19shooting like that.
- 14:20>> You don't practice?
- 14:22So, you just bought it and said I'm
- 14:23going to have it for what? Like
- 14:24protection
- 14:25>> Self-protection. And if someone else is
- 14:27in trouble, if something happens to us
- 14:29>> Mhm.
- 14:30>> Really, that's it.
- 14:32>> Okay.
- 14:33And
- 14:34do you typically keep it with you at
- 14:36your dad's house?
- 14:38>> Yeah.
- 14:39>> Okay. Does he know you have one?
- 14:40>> Yeah.
- 14:41>> Okay. Does your dad got guns too or is
- 14:42it you?
- 14:42>> Yeah.
- 14:43>> Okay.
- 14:43Um did you and your dad probably ever go
- 14:46shoot it at all?
- 14:47>> No.
- 14:48>> Okay. So, you're the only one who's
- 14:49touched that firearm.
- 14:52>> I think
- 14:54>> I mean, I If I had my firearm, ain't
- 14:56nobody touching it. I don't know I'm
- 14:57going to be honest with you.
- 14:59>> [laughter]
- 14:59>> I feel that.
- 15:00>> You know what I mean? Cuz you never know
- 15:01what they'll do with it.
- 15:02>> Yeah, exactly.
- 15:03>> And you can't let people borrow it.
- 15:06What do you mean? Talk to me.
- 15:08>> Like with that situation that happened,
- 15:10I don't even Like I said, I had I had
- 15:12epilepsy. I passed out.
- 15:14>> Mhm.
- 15:15>> Like you know when you're like you get
- 15:17so built up or something and you just
- 15:18like black out?
- 15:19>> Mhm. Mhm.
- 15:19>> You ever seen people do that, man?
- 15:21>> I did that in CrossFit.
- 15:22>> That [ __ ] happened to me like when my
- 15:24mom and dad was fighting back in the day
- 15:26like when I ever get a lot of pressure
- 15:27or something. [ __ ] is like get caught.
- 15:30>> Now, did you get pressure today
- 15:33on drive back from Bel Air?
- 15:36What was that pressure from? Talk to me
- 15:38about that.
- 15:39>> I don't know. So something else?
- 15:42>> Talk to me.
- 15:43>> Like in my head. I don't know.
- 15:45>> What was going on in your head?
- 15:49What did you hear?
- 15:52>> I just kept reading signs. Said I was
- 15:54going the wrong way.
- 15:56>> Signs on the road?
- 15:58Okay. And how did that make you feel?
- 16:04>> Nervous.
- 16:05>> Mhm.
- 16:06Is it because you weren't driving or
- 16:08because you saw the signs?
- 16:10>> Both.
- 16:11>> Okay.
- 16:12>> Maybe a little bit of both.
- 16:13>> Okay. Now, did you want to drive or
- 16:16>> Not really. I was just going for the
- 16:18ride. I didn't expect what happened to
- 16:20happen, you know?
- 16:21>> Okay. I hear you.
- 16:23I'm listening.
- 16:25>> So in the end
- 16:25>> I mean you seem sorry about it.
- 16:28>> About what?
- 16:28>> About what happened.
- 16:31You said you heard
- 16:33>> Oh, yeah. That was crazy.
- 16:34>> Gunshots, right?
- 16:35>> Yeah.
- 16:36>> Okay. And you mentioned
- 16:38>> Where is the
- 16:39>> It is inside the uh
- 16:41in the truck still.
- 16:46Now, during this time
- 16:49um you said you saw signs that said the
- 16:51wrong way?
- 16:53>> I was just reading the signs on the
- 16:55road. It was like
- 16:56>> But
- 16:56>> It
- 16:57ended direction or something that was
- 16:59saying not in the direction.
- 17:03Wrong way.
- 17:04>> Okay.
- 17:04>> The red signs that say wrong way.
- 17:06>> Yeah, yeah.
- 17:07Did you tell Andrew that at all or
- 17:11>> He ain't told me.
- 17:13>> Andrew told you?
- 17:14>> I I like he was telling me like we was
- 17:16going the wrong way.
- 17:18>> Okay, but did he verbally say Did he
- 17:19look at you and say
- 17:21Kirk, we Look at the sign that said
- 17:23wrong way.
- 17:24>> Mhm.
- 17:24>> Okay, but you felt like he was telling
- 17:26you.
- 17:27Okay.
- 17:28And then what?
- 17:31>> I don't I feel like I don't remember.
- 17:33>> But you mentioned
- 17:34>> Next thing I know, we just I just woke
- 17:36up and he was on the phone with the
- 17:38cops. I was crying, called my mom. She
- 17:41told me like
- 17:42She told me to call the police, but he
- 17:44was already on the phone with them. So,
- 17:46like I felt like I didn't even know what
- 17:48happened. So, like I was just in a daze.
- 17:52And [clears throat]
- 17:54by the time I know it, I called y'all
- 17:57and she was already on scene.
- 17:59>> Who?
- 18:00>> I think the lady that drove me here. I
- 18:03think that's who it was.
- 18:04>> What did you What did you tell Mom?
- 18:07>> I just said it's the first time I heard
- 18:09gunshots in my face so close. And she
- 18:11said, "What happened?" I said, "I don't
- 18:12know." She said, "Just call 911."
- 18:14>> Okay.
- 18:15>> So, that's when I called him, but he was
- 18:16already on the phone with them. But then
- 18:18phone number
- 18:18>> Now, did you Did you tell her
- 18:21um
- 18:23Did you
- 18:24What else did you tell Mom?
- 18:30>> So, I don't know what just happened.
- 18:31This is I think I think I said this is
- 18:33the first time I've heard gunshots like
- 18:35that.
- 18:36And
- 18:37I think that's it.
- 18:39>> Okay, did you tell her that you shot
- 18:40somebody?
- 18:41>> No.
- 18:42>> You didn't tell her that.
- 18:42>> No.
- 18:43>> So, if I speak to Mom, she's not going
- 18:44to tell me that Kirk said that he shot
- 18:46somebody.
- 18:46>> No.
- 18:47>> Okay.
- 18:49Now,
- 18:51the gun is obviously on the dashboard
- 18:53where you were sitting in the passenger
- 18:54seat. You mentioned that your ear was
- 18:56ringing and obviously the gun is yours
- 18:59on the on the left side.
- 19:01>> Yes.
- 19:01>> Okay.
- 19:02Um are you left-handed?
- 19:04>> Right.
- 19:04>> Right-handed? Okay.
- 19:06Um
- 19:09Between the time that you guys were
- 19:10coming back from Belle Glade, did
- 19:12he say anything to you at all?
- 19:16>> Yes.
- 19:17If I remember right, I think he was
- 19:19playing around with his gun that he had
- 19:20on him.
- 19:21>> He had a gun on him? And how did you
- 19:23notice that?
- 19:24>> Cuz he took it out at the dude's house
- 19:27in Belle Glade.
- 19:28>> Okay.
- 19:29>> Like they was playing around with guns
- 19:31and [ __ ] like
- 19:32>> Okay.
- 19:33>> Pulling it out like it's a toy or
- 19:34something.
- 19:35>> Got you. Did ever
- 19:38um say anything to you in the car?
- 19:42I know this happened all in Belle Glade,
- 19:43right?
- 19:44>> What? In front of Palm Beach Aggregates?
- 19:47>> No, no, no. You said while you guys were
- 19:49in Belle Glade, he was playing with a
- 19:51gun like it was a toy. Okay.
- 19:53Did he say anything or do anything on
- 19:55the drive east?
- 19:57>> We was just listening to music. I don't
- 19:59remember that much.
- 20:00>> Okay. Do you know if he was on his phone
- 20:02at all?
- 20:05>> I don't know. I That's
- 20:06>> And was he sitting directly behind you
- 20:08or behind Andrew?
- 20:09>> Behind me.
- 20:10>> Okay.
- 20:11Um
- 20:12So, so what happened, man?
- 20:14>> I don't know.
- 20:16Like I said, I blacked
- 20:17>> You know, you know he's dead.
- 20:18>> What?
- 20:19>> Yeah.
- 20:33Can you tell me more about that?
- 20:36>> Like I said, I got no idea.
- 20:48>> Do you know how it happened?
- 20:54Cuz based on what you're telling me, all
- 20:56right?
- 20:57Hear me out.
- 20:58You're telling me that that gun is
- 21:00yours. You tried to sell it to Andrew
- 21:02today.
- 21:03>> Yeah, that's what I heard in there
- 21:04today.
- 21:04>> Yeah, I know. Like when it was daylight
- 21:06out.
- 21:06>> Yeah.
- 21:07>> 2:00, 3:00 around that time is what he
- 21:09told me. Um, how much was you you trying
- 21:12to sell it to him for?
- 21:13>> I think 250 cuz my insurance is due on
- 21:15the 8th.
- 21:16>> For the car?
- 21:17>> Yeah, for my truck.
- 21:17>> Got you. Got you.
- 21:18>> I don't have the money, so I was just
- 21:19trying to get some money.
- 21:21>> Okay. So, you were trying to
- 21:24come up real quick.
- 21:25>> Yeah, I was trying to pay my insurance.
- 21:27>> Right. And did he end up He didn't end
- 21:29up buying it?
- 21:30>> No. He has He has He said he just had
- 21:33his own.
- 21:34>> Got you. Got you. Did he show you his
- 21:35gun?
- 21:36>> Yeah.
- 21:36>> Okay. Um
- 21:38Did he have it on him today at all?
- 21:41How you know?
- 21:42>> Cuz it kept falling on out.
- 21:45>> And in Belle Glade?
- 21:47>> Both times.
- 21:48>> What do you mean both times? Explain to
- 21:50me.
- 21:50>> Like at the house and in the in the
- 21:52truck, too. Like it wasn't a toy.
- 21:55>> Okay. Explain Explain that to me.
- 21:58>> I ain't his gun. He just had it out and
- 22:00[ __ ]
- 22:02>> Just on his lap or
- 22:04>> No, like on the side.
- 22:06Like, you know, tucked between the seat
- 22:08and seat.
- 22:09>> Oh, okay. I got you. I got you.
- 22:10>> But it was That [ __ ] his That [ __ ] was
- 22:12huge.
- 22:13>> What kind of gun you think it is?
- 22:15>> I think he has a I think he said he has
- 22:17a 9 mm or something.
- 22:18>> Okay. And where was it in the car? In
- 22:21the truck?
- 22:23>> Uh I think it was on his person.
- 22:25>> Oh, I got you. Like in his pocket?
- 22:27>> Yeah.
- 22:28>> Oh.
- 22:28>> Maybe when he's out outside the truck.
- 22:30>> Got you. Got you. But he had it in his
- 22:31pocket as he was driving you back home?
- 22:35>> Yeah.
- 22:35>> Got you.
- 22:36Um
- 22:38So, obviously something happened. You
- 22:39mentioned that you heard gunshots. You
- 22:41got on the phone with Mom, and I
- 22:43listened to the 911 calls before we got
- 22:45out here. I can hear you on there
- 22:46telling her you made a mistake and you
- 22:48made a mistake. I don't know what what
- 22:49why I did this.
- 22:53>> Shh. I don't remember.
- 22:55>> You don't remember?
- 22:57>> He won't talk.
- 22:58>> But you remember hearing how many
- 22:59gunshots you think?
- 23:03>> Maybe three or four before I don't
- 23:05I don't even remember what happened
- 23:07after that.
- 23:08>> Okay. But you mentioned that it happened
- 23:09inside the truck for sure.
- 23:12Cuz it was how close was it?
- 23:14Show me.
- 23:15>> I still like it was bad to be like right
- 23:17here and right here in his ear.
- 23:19>> Okay.
- 23:21All right.
- 23:21>> My head [ __ ] still ringing.
- 23:22>> Is it?
- 23:23Okay.
- 23:24Now
- 23:27you mentioned that never said anything
- 23:29to you Andrew never said anything to you
- 23:31all of a sudden you just hear gunshots.
- 23:34And
- 23:35what you're telling me is you you don't
- 23:37know who shot.
- 23:39Do you believe you shot?
- 23:42Why not?
- 23:44>> Mhm.
- 23:44Cuz I don't think I would make that
- 23:46mistake.
- 23:47>> Okay. Why do you say that?
- 23:48>> Cuz he said I want to talk to my mom on
- 23:50the phone. I said I made a mistake but
- 23:52I don't think
- 23:53>> You think it was not a mistake and it
- 23:55was intentional?
- 23:56>> No.
- 23:57>> Okay. What do What do you say? I don't I
- 23:59don't want to put words What did you
- 24:00tell your mom?
- 24:01>> I guess I don't know.
- 24:03I don't even remember the call like I
- 24:04felt like I was He just told me to call
- 24:07um
- 24:08911 and I can't I just called my mom.
- 24:12>> Are you Are you honest about calling
- 24:13your mother?
- 24:15>> Honest? Yeah.
- 24:17Yeah. I called her.
- 24:18>> Okay. So right after the shooting
- 24:20happened
- 24:21>> Maybe 5 minutes afterwards.
- 24:23>> Okay. Why was she your first call?
- 24:26>> Cuz um Andrew was already on the phone
- 24:29with 911.
- 24:30>> Okay. And what did you tell her?
- 24:34>> I just
- 24:36I
- 24:37made You said I made a mistake I made a
- 24:39mistake but like I don't
- 24:40>> What do you remember telling her?
- 24:43>> I remember just telling her I hear I
- 24:44heard gunshots I heard gunshots.
- 24:46>> Mhm.
- 24:47>> Like that was my first time ever being
- 24:48so close to gunshots.
- 24:50>> I don't know if that's true.
- 24:51I don't know if that's Did you see
- 24:53Andrew shoot?
- 24:57You didn't see him shoot?
- 24:58At any point did he like I'm just going
- 25:00to pretend this is a gun.
- 25:01And you're in the passenger seat and
- 25:04we're driving down
- 25:0680, let's call it.
- 25:08Um say I'm Andrew driving. You said his
- 25:12gun let's just pretend this is a gun.
- 25:13Don't mind me match.
- 25:14>> I was sorry.
- 25:15>> You said his gun was in in his pocket.
- 25:18>> Uh I think so.
- 25:19>> Okay. At any point did he say [ __ ] you
- 25:21Kirk or pull it out or anything like
- 25:22this to you?
- 25:25>> No comment.
- 25:27>> No comment?
- 25:29Okay.
- 25:30But you mentioned that you didn't see
- 25:31Andrew shoot, right?
- 25:33That's what you told me.
- 25:34>> All right.
- 25:35>> So
- 25:37did you see Chris do anything? Chris is
- 25:39is is sitting behind you. Did you see
- 25:41him do anything at all?
- 25:44>> Um he just kept like tapping on my
- 25:46shoulder.
- 25:47>> Okay.
- 25:48>> Like
- 25:49no a few like laying on your shoulders
- 25:51and [ __ ]
- 25:52>> What was he saying?
- 25:54>> Oh I'm mad. He was drinking some cactus
- 25:56drink. Oh this [ __ ] tastes good or
- 25:58whatever.
- 26:00>> Did he say anything else to you? Did he
- 26:03promise you a job? Did he promise you
- 26:04that he would um
- 26:06hook you up with some type of
- 26:07painting job or anything like that?
- 26:10No?
- 26:10Okay. That's just something he mentioned
- 26:12that uh
- 26:13they're going to try to get you a job.
- 26:16No?
- 26:18>> Oh Andrew? No. Well
- 26:23>> The dude, the guy in the back.
- 26:24What's he supposed to try to get you a
- 26:25job?
- 26:26>> Oh no. Me and Andrew were talking
- 26:28earlier
- 26:28>> Oh I got you. Maybe I got that mixed up.
- 26:30>> Uh that's fine. He said um
- 26:33like earlier in the day that some of his
- 26:34painting buddies was hiring or
- 26:36something.
- 26:36>> Got you. Okay.
- 26:38So Odyssey, let's play deductive
- 26:40reasoning here. It's your gun. It's on
- 26:42the dashboard in front of you. You're
- 26:44driving back from Bell Blade. Chris
- 26:46isn't doing anything to you other than
- 26:47you said tapping you on your shoulder
- 26:48talking about this drink is good. Andrew
- 26:50isn't doing nothing.
- 26:51And he's driving. He's pretty occupied
- 26:53with the truck trying not to make a
- 26:54crash and get to the house safe.
- 26:58How did that shooting happen?
- 27:00>> I don't know.
- 27:01>> You keep telling me you don't know, but
- 27:03everything's pointing to you shooting.
- 27:06Do you understand what I'm saying?
- 27:08>> I didn't do it.
- 27:09>> You didn't do it.
- 27:15Andrew didn't shoot.
- 27:20There was a
- 27:21You know the headrest?
- 27:23>> Right.
- 27:23>> Mhm. There's a bullet holes in the
- 27:25headrest behind you.
- 27:29And you mentioned that you heard
- 27:31gunshots in your left ear.
- 27:34Based on how you would be sitting in the
- 27:36car,
- 27:38Okay.
- 27:39The
- 27:41defects, let's call it that, from the
- 27:43bullets are on this side.
- 27:45Okay? And I know during our conversation
- 27:48you mentioned you're right-handed,
- 27:51right? Right. So, it would only make
- 27:53sense scientifically um
- 27:56that
- 27:59when you demonstrated, this is your
- 28:00demonstration as I was watching you,
- 28:02turn this way
- 28:03and fire behind you.
- 28:05Do you remember that?
- 28:07So, how did the defects get in your
- 28:09headrest?
- 28:12>> I don't even know. I don't know.
- 28:13>> I mean, I I need an explanation for it
- 28:15because
- 28:18some somebody's dead, Kurt.
- 28:22>> I don't even know.
- 28:25>> Anything, any explanation.
- 28:28>> I can't say. I think I passed out.
- 28:31>> Okay. Has it happened before?
- 28:33How many times?
- 28:38>> About four times.
- 28:40>> Today?
- 28:41>> No, no, no.
- 28:42>> Oh, okay. In your In your whole life?
- 28:43Okay.
- 28:44Um when was the last time?
- 28:48>> Maybe
- 28:49like right after I graduated high
- 28:51school, so like 2017.
- 28:53>> Not right after the graduation, but
- 28:54right after
- 28:55>> No,
- 28:55a couple months after the graduation, I
- 28:57think.
- 28:58>> Okay, do you have any medical history of
- 29:00epilepsy like you mentioned?
- 29:02>> Yeah.
- 29:03>> Okay, meaning have you been to the
- 29:04doctor for it?
- 29:09>> When I was a kid, they put me in the
- 29:11hospital for like a week, but they
- 29:12didn't
- 29:13come up with a cure or whatever.
- 29:15>> Okay, are you taking any medications?
- 29:19>> I don't remember the names of them. I
- 29:20just got put on new medication last
- 29:22month.
- 29:23>> Last month? Okay, have you been taking
- 29:24them?
- 29:25>> Mhm.
- 29:26>> Okay, how many how many are you supposed
- 29:27to take?
- 29:29>> It's like one a day of each one. There's
- 29:31three of them.
- 29:33>> It's three?
- 29:34>> Yeah, there's three
- 29:34>> Three bottles or three pills?
- 29:36>> Yeah, three pills of one from each.
- 29:38>> Oh, I got you.
- 29:41>> I don't know what they're called.
- 29:42>> Um, do you know the name of any of them?
- 29:45>> Wellbutrin is one of them.
- 29:47>> Wellbutrin?
- 29:48>> Wellbutrin.
- 29:49>> Wellbutrin.
- 29:51>> I can't remember the name of the other
- 29:53two.
- 29:55>> All right. And you took them today?
- 29:58>> No, yesterday.
- 29:59>> Okay.
- 30:02And you said you
- 30:03Is it it's Do you have epilepsy?
- 30:06Is this something you have?
- 30:08>> with it, but I know what it's I know
- 30:09like
- 30:11They say people that have seizures and
- 30:12like tap out not tap out, but like pass.
- 30:15I don't think that type of sign I did.
- 30:17>> Okay.
- 30:19And have you been diagnosed with uh,
- 30:21seizures before or
- 30:23>> No, but I've I've had them.
- 30:26>> Okay, what what is that like for you
- 30:28when you have these seizures?
- 30:30>> Scary.
- 30:31>> Okay, what actually is happening to your
- 30:33body?
- 30:34>> I feel like I don't even remember. I
- 30:35feel like that's why my mouth is so dry
- 30:36right now.
- 30:37>> Okay, is that an indicator that you want
- 30:39more water?
- 30:40>> Yes, please.
- 30:41>> Give me one second, all right?
- 30:42>> Thank you so much. You got it.
- 30:44Actually, I'll bring you some new coffee
- 30:46if you want.
- 30:46You want me to get you one? I'm sorry,
- 30:48you bring me one. Thank you. All right,
- 30:50I got you. Give me one second, all
- 30:51right? Thank you.
- 31:04All right.
- 31:05Let me get you that water. Yeah. All
- 31:07right.
- 31:08So, let me ask you something.
- 31:11Uh
- 31:12describe your gun for me.
- 31:15It's a little uh
- 31:18.45 Mhm.
- 31:21What else do you know about it?
- 31:23.45 ACP. That's it. That's all I know.
- 31:26What What color is it? I'm sorry.
- 31:28Um
- 31:30tan.
- 31:31Okay.
- 31:32Any other colors on there?
- 31:35No. And how many times have you shot
- 31:37that gun?
- 31:40Probably never.
- 31:41You've never shot it?
- 31:44Before today? Oh, um I went to the gun
- 31:47range with my sister's boyfriend.
- 31:49Like
- 31:51maybe
- 31:52two or three days after I got it.
- 31:54In January?
- 31:56If it was January, I think. Okay.
- 31:59I honestly don't remember when I bought
- 32:01it. I just
- 32:02remember
- 32:04my two guns got robbed from my house
- 32:06Mhm.
- 32:06at this when I was in Disney World. And
- 32:08then I think it was like a couple days
- 32:10after that I bought it.
- 32:12Okay. So, you only shot it once. You
- 32:14said you went with your sister's
- 32:15boyfriend to the gun range? Yeah. Which
- 32:17gun range?
- 32:18Uh Shoot Straight. Okay.
- 32:20Where'd you buy it?
- 32:22Or where'd you get it? I think at the
- 32:23pawn shop. Which one?
- 32:26Um
- 32:28the one down there on Okeechobee.
- 32:36I don't remember the name of
- 32:38>> Is it um um
- 32:41across from the turnpike?
- 32:43Yeah, you got You know where you guys
- 32:44sit under that big tree sometimes?
- 32:46>> Mhm.
- 32:47>> And then it's past that
- 32:49uh one rental place.
- 32:51>> Mhm.
- 32:52>> And it's right there. I forgot what the
- 32:53town was called.
- 32:54>> All right. So, 45 ACP 10 is the same gun
- 32:58that we have inside Andrew's truck,
- 33:01right? That I said that was in front of
- 33:03you on the dash.
- 33:04Um where did Where did you keep it with
- 33:06you?
- 33:08Where do you usually keep it? Do you
- 33:09have a holster for it?
- 33:10>> Yeah.
- 33:11>> Okay.
- 33:13>> Oh, wait.
- 33:14>> Did they Did they take it?
- 33:15>> I think yeah. I think so.
- 33:18>> Okay, so you usually keep it You You
- 33:20point it to your right pocket?
- 33:21>> Okay.
- 33:22Outside or inside?
- 33:24>> Inside.
- 33:24>> Inside. Okay, so the holster that you
- 33:27that Did you have it in a holster today?
- 33:29>> Yeah.
- 33:29>> Okay. Do you always keep it in a
- 33:30holster?
- 33:31>> Yeah.
- 33:31>> Okay. Um so, you had it on you today
- 33:35inside your pant pocket.
- 33:37>> Yes.
- 33:37>> Front right pocket.
- 33:38>> Mhm.
- 33:39>> Okay.
- 33:40Um
- 33:41So, how did How did it end up on the
- 33:42dashboard?
- 33:46>> And when I woke up
- 33:48I set it there.
- 33:49And I just
- 33:51asked Andrew what the [ __ ] just
- 33:52happened.
- 33:53>> Mhm.
- 33:54>> And that's it.
- 33:55>> Okay, cuz you you you have to understand
- 33:57the severity of what's going on. Cuz you
- 33:59keep telling me that's it. That's it.
- 34:01That's not it because there's obviously
- 34:03something that's not making sense.
- 34:05Okay? Which is it's your gun.
- 34:09There's casings in the car from a 45.
- 34:12Okay? 45 spent casings in the car. You
- 34:15know what those are, right?
- 34:17The bullets.
- 34:17>> Right.
- 34:18>> Okay. The spent casings are in the car.
- 34:20There's a defect where you were sitting
- 34:23on the left side of your head.
- 34:24>> I think that was already there.
- 34:26>> The The defect?
- 34:27>> Yeah, literally looks like a bullet hole
- 34:29wound, but like nothing's inside it.
- 34:32>> Oh, we will we're going to find that
- 34:33out.
- 34:34>> No, what I'm saying, that should have
- 34:36been there before. Like, I don't
- 34:38wouldn't that I think the bullet would
- 34:40would have went all the way through it,
- 34:41right?
- 34:42>> It did.
- 34:43>> All the way through the headrest?
- 34:45>> Mhm. Which is right Chris?
- 34:47On your side of the truck.
- 34:51>> I don't remember.
- 34:53>> So,
- 34:55how did you get it out your pocket?
- 34:59>> I don't remember.
- 35:01>> Cuz you had it in your pocket.
- 35:03>> Right.
- 35:04>> And it ended up on the dashboard.
- 35:07>> Right.
- 35:07>> And you heard gunshots.
- 35:13I need that explained, Kurt.
- 35:15>> I don't know.
- 35:16>> I need to understand what happened
- 35:18in that car.
- 35:21>> I I honestly don't remember.
- 35:31I honestly don't remember.
- 35:33>> What do you remember? What What
- 35:34triggered you to pull that gun out?
- 35:39>> I don't know.
- 35:42Voices in my head.
- 35:43>> What voices?
- 35:45>> I don't know.
- 35:46Voices in my head, I'm not sure.
- 35:48>> What
- 35:50What are these voices saying?
- 35:53>> Nothing. It was I just had it out.
- 35:55>> You just had what out?
- 35:56>> The gun.
- 35:57>> Why did you have it out?
- 36:00>> I just had it out on the dash.
- 36:02>> Okay.
- 36:04Um
- 36:04so, the gun has no bullets in it.
- 36:06>> Right.
- 36:07>> So, the gun that you had out on the dash
- 36:10has no bullets in it.
- 36:12How is that possible without it being
- 36:14fired?
- 36:16>> I don't know. I did.
- 36:18>> You tell me. You shot at the gun range,
- 36:19so you understand how that works. You
- 36:21have to understand how that works.
- 36:22>> Right.
- 36:23>> How does it work?
- 36:25>> Someone shot it. I'm not sure who.
- 36:29>> You can't
- 36:30>> me, right?
- 36:30>> No.
- 36:34>> You had the gun on the way to Bell Blvd.
- 36:36>> Right.
- 36:37>> In your front right pocket.
- 36:39>> Right.
- 36:41>> You took it out on the way back home.
- 36:44>> Right.
- 36:46>> It was fired.
- 36:49Cuz I remember I told you I got spent
- 36:50casings in the car. It was fired.
- 36:53And you told me you heard gunshots.
- 36:55Remember?
- 36:56>> Yeah.
- 36:56>> And you said your ear was ringing as
- 36:58soon as I walked in here.
- 36:59>> Right.
- 37:00>> This is dead.
- 37:04And the gun ends up on the dashboard.
- 37:10>> I don't remember. I guess
- 37:12>> What what triggered you at that at that
- 37:14point?
- 37:17>> I don't remember.
- 37:18>> You have to remember. You keep saying
- 37:19you don't remember. What do you mean you
- 37:21don't remember?
- 37:22Because something like that, you will
- 37:24remember.
- 37:29>> I don't know.
- 37:31>> Did you not like the guy?
- 37:33>> I I just met him. I don't I don't even
- 37:35know who he was.
- 37:36>> So, why'd you shoot him?
- 37:38>> I didn't shoot him.
- 37:41I didn't shoot him.
- 37:42>> Who shot him?
- 37:44>> I don't know.
- 37:50>> Do you understand what I'm what I'm
- 37:51explaining to you?
- 37:52>> Right.
- 37:53>> Everything that I've that I mentioned?
- 37:56What the evidence is showing on scene?
- 38:00>> Right.
- 38:01>> What do you mean right? What am I
- 38:02saying?
- 38:03>> You said the evidence on scene.
- 38:05>> Yeah, the casings.
- 38:07The the blood in the car.
- 38:08The defect in the headrest.
- 38:11The fact that it's your gun.
- 38:13The fact that Andrew never touched your
- 38:15gun.
- 38:15>> Right.
- 38:16>> The fact that there's .45 caliber
- 38:18casings in the car.
- 38:22>> I I don't know.
- 38:25>> What would your mom think right now?
- 38:37Are you and her close?
- 38:39Or are you and your dad close? Or both?
- 38:42>> Close with both of them, but I'm closer
- 38:43with my mom.
- 38:44>> Is that why you called her first?
- 38:47Did you call your dad at all?
- 38:49What would he say?
- 38:54>> I don't know what my mom would say.
- 38:56>> What happened?
- 38:57>> He wouldn't know what to say.
- 38:58>> Why you say that?
- 39:01What do you know?
- 39:02>> Cuz this is my first time being being
- 39:03locked up.
- 39:04>> You've never been arrested before,
- 39:06nothing like that?
- 39:09No. So, why today?
- 39:11>> I have no idea.
- 39:13>> Did Did something to you at all?
- 39:16>> Nothing that I remember.
- 39:17>> So, why not shoot Andrew?
- 39:22Why shoot
- 39:25Was he provoking you? Did he tell you
- 39:27something? Did he say something?
- 39:31>> Nothing that I remember.
- 39:37>> Is it that you don't want to remember?
- 39:40>> No.
- 39:42I Like I said, I passed out.
- 39:44>> When you say you passed out, explain
- 39:46that to me.
- 39:47What's the last thing you do remember?
- 39:49Cuz I mentioned
- 39:50>> Hearing gunshots.
- 39:51>> That's the last thing you remember?
- 39:54You don't remember Do you remember
- 39:55pulling it out of your out of your back
- 39:56pocket?
- 39:57>> That was only when I left the house. It
- 39:59was already on the dash before that.
- 40:01>> What do you What do you mean?
- 40:02>> Like when we had left the house from
- 40:03Berkeley.
- 40:04>> Mhm.
- 40:05>> It was already on the dash.
- 40:07>> But the gun was empty and there's
- 40:08casings in the car.
- 40:10>> Right.
- 40:10>> So, the shooting happened in the car.
- 40:12So, it couldn't have happened
- 40:14in in in Berkeley Glade you're are
- 40:16>> Right. It couldn't have happened in
- 40:17Belle Glade.
- 40:18>> No.
- 40:18>> Right.
- 40:19>> So,
- 40:22what happened?
- 40:23>> I don't know.
- 40:27>> So, you remember hearing gunshots.
- 40:30You remember pulling the the
- 40:32gun out of your pocket.
- 40:36>> When we left the house.
- 40:39>> Okay. So, the gun was out of your pocket
- 40:40when you left the house.
- 40:41>> Yeah.
- 40:43>> And where did you put it?
- 40:45>> On the dash.
- 40:46>> So, as you're driving from Belle Glade,
- 40:48the gun is on the dash.
- 40:50I thought you said the gun was
- 40:51originally in your pocket.
- 40:52>> On the way to Belle Glade.
- 40:53>> So, you put it on the Why did you take
- 40:55it out?
- 40:56>> I don't know. I guess just cuz we were
- 40:58in Belle Glade. We were in the hood, I
- 40:59guess.
- 41:00>> Okay. And
- 41:03that's that's not making sense to me.
- 41:07>> I don't know.
- 41:09If somebody just had to plead the fifth
- 41:10on the rest of them.
- 41:11>> What do you mean by that?
- 41:13>> I just guess I ain't lying. It's not my
- 41:15question.
- 41:17>> Is that what you're choosing to do is
- 41:18what you're saying?
- 41:19Okay.
- 41:21You understand what you're being charged
- 41:22with?
- 41:24Murder.
- 41:42All right. Let me first stand up for me.
- 41:45I'm going to write some quick form for
- 41:47me. I told you.
- 41:48>> I think 5 10.
- 41:49>> That's my height. Stand up right here
- 41:51for me.
- 41:52Are you hurt?
- 41:53>> No.
- 41:54>> No? No injuries? Nothing?
- 41:58All right. Look right here for me, okay?
- 42:02Turn that way.
- 42:08Face the uh board there.
- 42:11I'm going to take off this again.
- 42:15Don't fan.
- 42:19All right, face the door here.
- 42:25All right, do me a favor. Um hands.
- 42:27Yeah, turn towards me.
- 42:29>> [snorts]
- 42:32>> Now, palms down.
- 42:39There.
- 42:43Let me see your tattoos.
- 42:46Keep your arm extended like this as much
- 42:47as you can.
- 42:53Turn them inside out.
- 42:55We'll see. We'll see.
- 42:57>> Um plastic bag.
- 43:04>> And what's this one? All right, raise it
- 43:05up if you don't mind.
- 43:06>> Mhm.
- 43:11>> What's NLB?
- 43:12>> NLMB?
- 43:13>> NLMB is from the block.
- 43:14>> Never seen my brother.
- 43:16>> Oh, you have a sibling?
- 43:18What are you talking about?
- 43:20>> Yeah, I got a older brother.
- 43:21>> Oh, congrats to you. Do you have any
- 43:22tattoos on your chest or anything like
- 43:24that?
- 43:24>> Yeah.
- 43:25>> All right, try to try to lift up your
- 43:26shirt for me.
- 43:28>> [snorts]
- 43:31>> What is it?
- 43:34Try to You might have to get it over
- 43:35your head.
- 43:40Anything on your back?
- 43:41>> No.
- 43:42>> All right, you can put your shirt down.
- 43:44Anything on your legs?
- 43:45>> No.
- 43:45>> Can you turn around real quick so I can
- 43:47just pull them up for your shirt a
- 43:48little bit like that?
- 43:49>> No, nothing on his back.
- 43:51>> Let's take this 60 out. All right, let's
- 43:52take it off out.
- 43:53>> Yeah.
- 43:57>> No injuries on your back, nothing like
- 43:58that, bro?
- 43:59>> No, sir.
- 44:00>> All right, buddy.
- 44:04You got it.
- 44:05>> Okay.
- 44:05>> No injuries on your feet, legs, nothing
- 44:07like that, bro?
- 44:07>> No, sir.
- 44:07>> Okay. All right, turn around real quick.
- 44:14All right, take that. That's it.
- 44:16>> Let me get one with your head off.
- 44:20And turn that way.
- 44:27Turn toward the board.
- 44:31And lastly, turn toward the door.
- 44:37All right.
- 44:38You can have a seat.
- 44:40What is your full social security
- 44:42number?
- 44:50All right, give me a minute.
- 44:53Hold that door.
- 45:00Got a photo of you.
- 45:06Agent, real quick, could you initial and
- 45:08verify this sign here stating that this
- 45:10is what I read to you?
- 45:11>> Okay.
- 45:12>> Um
- 45:13and I'll
- 45:14right here.
- 45:17This is the um Miranda card I read to
- 45:18you with those rights.
- 45:23And we should be out of here in less
- 45:24than 10 minutes.
- 45:25>> All right.
- 45:29What's that?
- 45:32721
- 45:352309
- 45:37>> All right, thank you.
- 45:42Oh.
- 45:44All right, you can stand up here as
- 45:45well.
- 45:48Come on, this one. This is the first
- 45:49one. It's going to be the same.
- 45:52All right.
- 45:55>> Following the interrogation, Coakley
- 45:58Evan Ledlow was charged with
- 45:59first-degree murder and firing a gun
- 46:02from a vehicle in the death of
- 46:04Christopher Sean [music] Rogers.
- 46:06As the case moved toward trial, Leto's
- 46:09mental health became a central issue.
- 46:11He was diagnosed with schizoaffective
- 46:13[music]
- 46:13disorder, and his attorneys argued that
- 46:16he was legally insane when he shot
- 46:18Christopher.
- 46:19Prosecutors maintained that his actions
- 46:21were deliberate, and that his mental
- 46:23illness did not excuse the killing.
- 46:26On April 25th, 2025,
- 46:29>> [music]
- 46:29>> a Palm Beach County jury rejected his
- 46:32insanity defense and found him guilty of
- 46:35second-degree murder with a firearm.
- 46:38At his sentencing [music] hearing, Leto
- 46:40apologized to Christopher's family.
- 46:42Christopher's sister, Courtney Rogers,
- 46:45>> [music]
- 46:45>> spoke about her brother's kindness and
- 46:47generosity, describing how he regularly
- 46:50went out of his way to help others.
- 46:51[music]
- 46:53Despite what had happened, she told the
- 46:55court that she forgave Leto.
- 46:58On July 9th, 2025,
- 47:01Leto was sentenced to 40 [music] years
- 47:03in prison, including a mandatory minimum
- 47:06of 25 years that must be served without
- 47:09any reduction for good behavior.
- 47:11Leto appealed his conviction, [music]
- 47:13but on August 6th, 2026,
- 47:17Florida's [music] Fourth District Court
- 47:18of Appeal upheld the ruling.
- 47:21As of October 2026, [music]
- 47:24Leto remains under a 40-year prison
- 47:26sentence for Christopher's murder.
- 47:29If you found this video informative,
- 47:31please consider leaving a like and
- 47:33subscribing to the channel, as it really
- 47:35helps support our work and allows us to
- 47:37continue covering important cases like
- 47:39this one. Thank you.
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