He Mocked My Scar At The Coronado Bar—Then His Navy Captain Whispered 3 Words That Shut Him Up — Transcript
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- 0:00I'm Philippa Lockridge, 47, and I spent
- 0:0225 years in the Navy taking apart the
- 0:04things that were built to kill the
- 0:05people who come to take them apart.
- 0:07For years I let people be wrong about
- 0:09me. The clerk who slid me a dependent
- 0:11form, the officer at the club who asked
- 0:13if I was enjoying my tour of the base,
- 0:15all of it, because correcting somebody
- 0:17cost them more than it ever gained me.
- 0:20But when a lieutenant in a bar in
- 0:21Coronado decided that the scar on my
- 0:23face was the entertainment for the
- 0:24evening, and his own captain crossed the
- 0:26room and put three words in his ear,
- 0:29I had to decide what kind of officer I
- 0:30was going to be about it.
- 0:33Have you ever been written off in one
- 0:34look by somebody who had no idea who you
- 0:36were?
- 0:37If so, tell me your story in the
- 0:39comments. You're not alone.
- 0:42Before I get into what happened, let me
- 0:43know where you're tuning in from.
- 0:45And if you've ever had to stand up for
- 0:47yourself after being wronged, hit that
- 0:49like button and subscribe.
- 0:51The summer of 2001, in a pool in
- 0:54Florida, I could not tie a knot
- 0:56underwater to save my life.
- 0:58There were 29 of us in that class, and
- 1:01four of us were women, and the
- 1:02instructor, standing on the deck in the
- 1:04heat, had a way of saying things that
- 1:06took the temperature out of them.
- 1:08He told us on the first morning that the
- 1:10pipeline did not care what anybody in it
- 1:13thought about anybody else in it.
- 1:15He said it the way a man reads a weather
- 1:17report. I failed the knot test.
- 1:19I went down on a breath, got my hands on
- 1:21the line, and came up with something
- 1:23that would have embarrassed a child at a
- 1:24dock.
- 1:26The instructor did not yell. He wrote
- 1:28something on a clipboard, and I did it
- 1:29again three days later, and I passed by
- 1:31a margin so thin that I have never once
- 1:33told anybody the number.
- 1:35Nobody in my family had ever worn a
- 1:37uniform. There was no story anybody told
- 1:39me at a kitchen table about a
- 1:40grandfather in a war.
- 1:42I read what the job was in a pamphlet at
- 1:44a career fair when I was 20 years old,
- 1:46and I could not stop thinking about it.
- 1:49And 11 months later, I was 22 and
- 1:51standing at attention in a set of dress
- 1:53whites that did not fit me,
- 1:55taking an oath in front of a professor
- 1:57of chemistry who had agreed to hold the
- 1:59Bible.
- 2:01I got to Coronado in 2002 as a
- 2:04lieutenant junior grade, 23 years old
- 2:06with a dive qualification and a school
- 2:08certificate, and absolutely no idea what
- 2:10I was doing.
- 2:12The first person who took a real
- 2:13interest in me was a master chief named
- 2:16Deacon Trask.
- 2:17He was 44 that year.
- 2:19He had been in the Navy since before I
- 2:21could read, and he sat my qualification
- 2:23board with two other chiefs and a coffee
- 2:25cup he never once drank from.
- 2:27He kept me in that chair for 2 hours,
- 2:29then he failed me. I want to be clear
- 2:32that he was right, too.
- 2:33I had answered 11 questions correctly,
- 2:36and I had answered every single one of
- 2:37them quickly. And at the end of it, he
- 2:40closed the folder and looked at me the
- 2:42way you look at a car you are thinking
- 2:43about buying.
- 2:46"I did not fail you because you were
- 2:47wrong," he said.
- 2:49"I failed you because you answered fast.
- 2:52Fast is how people end up carrying their
- 2:54friends."
- 2:56I came back 3 weeks later and sat the
- 2:58board again, and I took my time on every
- 3:00question, including two I knew cold, and
- 3:03I passed.
- 3:04Afterward, he walked me out to the
- 3:06parking lot and told me that I was going
- 3:08to be fine, which from him was close to
- 3:10a parade.
- 3:11My first real call came in Iraq in 2003
- 3:14when I was 24.
- 3:16A pressure plate under the lip of a
- 3:17culvert on a supply route laid by
- 3:20somebody who was learning as fast as we
- 3:22were.
- 3:23I remember the weight of the suit more
- 3:25than anything else about that day.
- 3:27People imagine the suit as armor. It is
- 3:29closer to a piece of furniture that you
- 3:31have agreed to wear.
- 3:32It took me 40 minutes to do a thing that
- 3:34Trask on his worst day would have done
- 3:36in 12. I walked back up the road
- 3:38afterward, and I was ashamed of the
- 3:40time, and I said so out loud.
- 3:42And he told me that 40 minutes was the
- 3:43correct answer every time, and that he
- 3:45would rather have a slow officer than a
- 3:46decorated one.
- 3:49There is no version of this job that is
- 3:50fast. Every man I ever met who is fast
- 3:52at it is a name on a wall in Florida
- 3:54now. And I mean that literally, and I
- 3:56have stood in front of that wall and
- 3:57read it.
- 3:59I made lieutenant in 2005. I ran teams.
- 4:02I got good at the part of the work that
- 4:04nobody talks about, which is not the
- 4:06walk down to the device, but the 2 hours
- 4:08before it.
- 4:09Standing in the dust with a map and four
- 4:11opinions, deciding what is actually
- 4:13true.
- 4:15In 2007, a second-class technician named
- 4:17Teo Salcedo turned up on my team. 22
- 4:20years old, straight out of the pipeline,
- 4:22with a photograph of his mother taped
- 4:24inside the lid of his kit, and a habit
- 4:26that I had never seen in anybody else
- 4:28before or since.
- 4:30He narrated, out loud, the entire time,
- 4:32in a low, even voice. He described what
- 4:34his own hands were doing. Reaching for
- 4:37the shears, turning the body of the
- 4:38thing a quarter inch, setting it down.
- 4:42The first time I heard it over the
- 4:43radio, I thought he was talking to me,
- 4:44and I nearly answered him.
- 4:47"Ma'am, I talk when I work," he said
- 4:49when I asked him about it evening.
- 4:51"It keeps my hands honest. If I go
- 4:53quiet, that is when you should worry
- 4:54about me."
- 4:55For 4 years, on two deployments and
- 4:57about a hundred calls that never made
- 4:59anybody's news, I listened to that voice
- 5:01describing its own hands. You learn a
- 5:03person that way.
- 5:05I knew when he was tired by the third
- 5:06sentence.
- 5:08I knew when something on the ground was
- 5:09not matching what we had briefed,
- 5:11because the narration would slow down
- 5:12and get shorter and turn into single
- 5:14words.
- 5:16By 2010, I was 31 and the officer in
- 5:19charge of a mobile platoon working out
- 5:21of Coronado. And Trask put in his
- 5:23retirement papers after 30 years.
- 5:26At the ceremony, they read the whole
- 5:27record, and it took a while.
- 5:29He stood there through it, with his
- 5:31hands behind his back, looking like a
- 5:32man waiting for a bus.
- 5:35Afterward, he found me by the water and
- 5:37said the only piece of advice he ever
- 5:38gave me that I have repeated to other
- 5:40people.
- 5:42"The day you send somebody down a road
- 5:44you would not walk yourself, you are
- 5:46done." he said. "Not fired, done. You
- 5:50will still have the job. You just will
- 5:52not have anything left in it."
- 5:54I told him I understood. He said,
- 5:57"Everybody says that."
- 5:59There is a photograph on my desk from
- 6:01that year.
- 6:02The 2010 platoon, 11 of us, standing in
- 6:05front of a truck in the kind of
- 6:06squinting sunlight that makes everybody
- 6:08look like they are laughing at
- 6:09something.
- 6:11Salcedo is on the far left.
- 6:13Everybody in that picture is alive in
- 6:15it.
- 6:17That is the part people never understand
- 6:18about photographs from this line of
- 6:20work.
- 6:22They are not memorials when you take
- 6:23them. They are just a Tuesday.
- 6:26Two things were happening at the two
- 6:27ends of my life, 15 years apart, and I
- 6:30am going to tell you both of them at
- 6:32once because that is how they sit in my
- 6:34head now, and I have stopped trying to
- 6:35separate them. Start with February of
- 6:382011 in southern Afghanistan.
- 6:42We had done three calls in 9 days, which
- 6:44is not a remarkable number, except that
- 6:45all three had been the same shape.
- 6:48A device on the road, obvious enough to
- 6:50find,
- 6:51and then a second one placed off the
- 6:53shoulder in the flat spot where a person
- 6:55would kneel, or where a truck would
- 6:56stage, or where somebody would stand to
- 6:58take a photograph of the first one.
- 7:01Salcedo was 26 by then and a first
- 7:03class, and he was the one who said it
- 7:05out loud in the tent with a plate of
- 7:07food in front of him that he was not
- 7:08eating.
- 7:10"They are not building these for the
- 7:11trucks anymore, ma'am." he said. "They
- 7:13are building them for us."
- 7:15Nobody argued with him. That is the part
- 7:17I remember. 11 people in a tent and not
- 7:20one person said he was being dramatic
- 7:22because everybody had been thinking it
- 7:23for a week and had not wanted to be the
- 7:25one to put it in a sentence.
- 7:28Now come forward 15 years to January of
- 7:312026 in Coronado, California, where I
- 7:34had just reported in to begin the
- 7:36longest turnover of my career.
- 7:39I was 47 years old, a Navy captain, and
- 7:41I had 6 months of overlap ahead of me
- 7:43before I would take explosive ordnance
- 7:45disposal group one from the officer who
- 7:47had it.
- 7:49You arrive early, you learn everything,
- 7:51and for a while you are the most senior
- 7:53person in the building with no actual
- 7:55authority.
- 7:56On my third day, I went to the pass and
- 7:58identification office to get a new
- 8:00access card because mine had my old
- 8:02command on it.
- 8:03The clerk behind the glass was about 22
- 8:05years old and perfectly polite. She slid
- 8:08a form under the window and asked me for
- 8:10my sponsor's last name. The form was for
- 8:12dependents.
- 8:14I have been mistaken for a wife in every
- 8:16duty station I have ever had.
- 8:18It stopped being interesting to me
- 8:19somewhere around 2009.
- 8:22I did not correct her because correcting
- 8:24her would have taken 4 minutes and a
- 8:25small amount of her dignity, and I did
- 8:28not need either of those things. I asked
- 8:30for the other form and filled it out.
- 8:32She read it, went a little pink, and
- 8:34said, "Ma'am, I am so sorry."
- 8:37I told her she had no way of knowing and
- 8:39that the line behind me was six people
- 8:40long. Back to March of 2011 in the first
- 8:43week.
- 8:44I walked a device alone on a road that a
- 8:46task force wanted open by dark, and
- 8:48about 11 m back from it I found a
- 8:50command wire running off into a tree
- 8:51line that nobody had cleared, and I
- 8:53stopped. There is a particular kind of
- 8:55phone call you make when you stop. On
- 8:57the other end of it was a major who had
- 8:58a schedule, and the schedule was not a
- 9:00stupid thing to have.
- 9:02He had people who needed to move. He
- 9:04asked me how confident I was.
- 9:06"The road opens tomorrow or it opens
- 9:08with somebody in it," I said. "Those are
- 9:10the options I have."
- 9:12He did not like it. He also did not
- 9:14overrule me because the system, when it
- 9:16works, does not let him.
- 9:18We cleared the tree line the next
- 9:19morning and found what was in it, and
- 9:21the road opened at 11:00 in the morning
- 9:23instead of at dark, and nobody wrote
- 9:24anything down about any of it because
- 9:26nothing happened.
- 9:27That is what a good day looks like in my
- 9:29line of work. It looks like a delay.
- 9:31February of 2026, back in Coronado.
- 9:35There was a hail and farewell at the
- 9:36officers' club, the kind of evening
- 9:38where a command changes about 11% of its
- 9:40people and marks it with a buffet.
- 9:43I went because the outgoing commodore
- 9:44asked me to.
- 9:46And I stood near a window in a civilian
- 9:47dress with a glass of wine I was not
- 9:49drinking.
- 9:50A lieutenant commander I had never met
- 9:52came over and was extremely nice to me.
- 9:54He asked whether I was enjoying my tour
- 9:56of the base. He had decided, reasonably
- 9:58enough, that I was with the
- 9:59congressional staff delegation that had
- 10:01been on the installation that week, and
- 10:03he was doing exactly what a good officer
- 10:05does at those events, which is talk to
- 10:07the person standing by themselves.
- 10:09My deputy saw it from across the room.
- 10:12Commander Maureen O'Connor was 38 years
- 10:14old, and she had been the chief staff
- 10:16officer at that group for 2 years.
- 10:18And she was very good at her job and had
- 10:20absolutely no patience for this
- 10:22particular thing.
- 10:24She started across the carpet with her
- 10:25jaw set.
- 10:26I caught her eye and moved my head about
- 10:28a quarter inch, and she stopped.
- 10:30Afterward, in the parking lot, she let
- 10:32me have it in the way that a commander
- 10:34lets a captain have it, which is with a
- 10:35lot of ma'am in it.
- 10:37"Ma'am, you let people be wrong about
- 10:39you constantly," she said. "I do."
- 10:42"May I ask why?"
- 10:44"Because being wrong about me is not a
- 10:45crime," I said. "I am not going to spend
- 10:48a command tour arresting people for it."
- 10:51She said, "That works fine for you."
- 10:54And then she stopped herself because she
- 10:56is disciplined, and I told her to finish
- 10:58the sentence, and she would not.
- 11:00I found out later what the end of that
- 11:02sentence was.
- 11:03It took a bar and a lieutenant and about
- 11:056 weeks for me to hear it.
- 11:08That is where the two halves of this
- 11:09were sitting in the middle of February.
- 11:11Behind me, 15 years back, a road in a
- 11:14country I have not returned to.
- 11:16In front of me, a building I would be
- 11:17responsible for in 4 months, full of
- 11:19people I did not know yet.
- 11:22I remember standing in the group
- 11:23headquarters parking lot at dusk on a
- 11:25Friday in jeans, looking up at it.
- 11:28Anybody driving past would have seen a
- 11:30woman in her 40s looking at an office
- 11:32building.
- 11:34There is nothing about me standing still
- 11:36that tells anybody anything.
- 11:38I have never minded that.
- 11:40It has been for 25 years the most
- 11:42restful thing about my life.
- 11:45The bar is half a block off the
- 11:47amphibious base on the water side of the
- 11:48street and it has been there longer than
- 11:50I have been in the Navy.
- 11:52It is not a themed place. There is no
- 11:54plaque wall, no flags on the ceiling,
- 11:57none of the merchandise that shows up in
- 11:58bars that have decided to be about the
- 12:00military.
- 12:01It is dark. It has 11 stools and the man
- 12:04who owns it and pours in it is a retired
- 12:06senior chief named Wade Brannigan who is
- 12:1060 and has been doing it for 11 years.
- 12:13I went in on a Thursday evening in March
- 12:15at about 7:40 after a day of turnover
- 12:17briefs that had run 4 hours long.
- 12:20I was in jeans and a gray sweater.
- 12:22Brannigan did not know me from anybody.
- 12:24He put a coaster down and asked me a
- 12:26question I have thought about a lot
- 12:27since.
- 12:29You want the good stool or the quiet
- 12:31stool?
- 12:32Quiet, I said. The quiet stool is at the
- 12:35short end of the bar by the register
- 12:37where the taps block the sightline from
- 12:39the tables.
- 12:40He poured me a beer and did not ask
- 12:42about my face because he knows exactly
- 12:44what a blast scar looks like and how
- 12:46many of them come into his bar in a
- 12:47year.
- 12:48Mine runs from under my left ear, along
- 12:51the jaw, down the side of my neck and
- 12:52under my collar.
- 12:54It is 15 years old. It is not dramatic
- 12:57anymore if it ever was.
- 12:59It is a pale line and a change in the
- 13:01texture of the skin
- 13:03and in most light it reads as something
- 13:04that happened in a car.
- 13:06There was a platoon in the corner, six
- 13:08or seven of them, loud in the good way,
- 13:10celebrating something.
- 13:12I found out later they had certified
- 13:14that afternoon on their final workup
- 13:16event, which for a SEAL platoon is a
- 13:18real day and worth a real night.
- 13:21Their officer was a lieutenant named
- 13:22Gage Prosser.
- 13:23He was 28. He was four beers into the
- 13:26evening and he was telling a story with
- 13:28his hands.
- 13:29I want to be fair to him here, because
- 13:31being unfair to him would make this a
- 13:32smaller story than it is.
- 13:34He was not a bad officer. He had a
- 13:36platoon that had just passed a hard
- 13:38thing, and he was young, and he was in a
- 13:39bar in his own town, and he had reached
- 13:41the point in the evening where a man
- 13:43decides he is funny.
- 13:45He saw my jaw in the mirror behind the
- 13:46bottles.
- 13:48Shark or just a bad surgeon?
- 13:51He said it at the volume you use for a
- 13:52table, not for a person, which meant it
- 13:55carried the whole length of the room.
- 13:57His table laughed, most of them, the way
- 13:59people laugh at 9:00 at night when they
- 14:01have been drinking since 4:00.
- 14:03One of them did not.
- 14:05A lieutenant junior grade named Ike
- 14:07Halverson, 26 years old, his assistant
- 14:10platoon commander, put his glass down.
- 14:12"Gage," he said, "sit down."
- 14:15That should have been the end of it. It
- 14:17is the moment where a man who has had
- 14:19four beers takes the exit that his
- 14:21friend has just built for him.
- 14:23Proctor did not take it. He stood up
- 14:25with his glass in his hand and came
- 14:27halfway to the bar, and he said the
- 14:29second thing.
- 14:30And the second thing is the one I
- 14:31actually remember, because the first one
- 14:34was a joke about my face, and the second
- 14:35one was about who I was. "Around here,
- 14:38scars come with stories," he said,
- 14:40"yours came with the receipt."
- 14:43The room did not go silent. That is a
- 14:45thing people put in stories, and it is
- 14:47almost never true. What happened was
- 14:49that about a third of the room stopped,
- 14:51and the rest of it kept talking, and the
- 14:53noise developed a hole in the middle of
- 14:54it.
- 14:56Two of his own men had put their drinks
- 14:57down.
- 14:58Brannigan came down the bar without
- 15:00hurrying, put both hands flat on the
- 15:02wood, and looked at him.
- 15:04"Lieutenant," he said,
- 15:06"you are finished."
- 15:08I set my glass down, and I did not say
- 15:10one word.
- 15:12There's a thing that happens to my face
- 15:14when I decide not to answer somebody,
- 15:17and I have been told by two different
- 15:18people who love me that it is worse than
- 15:20answering.
- 15:22I do not do it on purpose.
- 15:24It is just what is left when I take
- 15:26everything else off.
- 15:28At the far end of the room, at a high
- 15:30table by the door, there had been a
- 15:32group of four men for about 20 minutes.
- 15:35One of them was a Navy captain named
- 15:37Emery Vandermeer, 51 years old, the
- 15:40commanding officer of Naval Special
- 15:42Warfare Group 1 in a polo shirt,
- 15:45out that night for the farewell of one
- 15:47of his chiefs.
- 15:49He knew who I was.
- 15:51We had sat on the same video call 11
- 15:53days earlier about a joint certification
- 15:55schedule.
- 15:56And he had shaken my hand at a
- 15:58conference room door in January.
- 16:00He put his beer down on the high table
- 16:02and crossed the floor without hurrying
- 16:04at all.
- 16:05He came up on Prosser's left side, put
- 16:07one hand flat on the lieutenant's
- 16:08shoulder, and leaned in and said three
- 16:11words into his ear.
- 16:13"Leave now, son."
- 16:14Prosser was out the door in under 10
- 16:16seconds. He put the glass on the nearest
- 16:18table, not his own, and he went past his
- 16:21entire platoon, past the two women at
- 16:23the end of it, past Halverson, out into
- 16:26the parking lot in front of every person
- 16:28he works with.
- 16:29He did not know why.
- 16:31That is the part I noticed standing
- 16:33there with a beer in front of me.
- 16:35Vandermeer never told him. He did not
- 16:37lean in and say a name or a rank or
- 16:39explain the arithmetic to him.
- 16:41He gave him an order of six syllables,
- 16:43and he let him carry the rest of it out
- 16:44the door on his own.
- 16:46He did not think the boy had earned an
- 16:47explanation.
- 16:49Then he came down to the bar to me, and
- 16:51he did not apologize on Prosser's
- 16:52behalf, which I respected because it was
- 16:55not his to apologize for, and we both
- 16:57knew it.
- 16:58He asked me one question.
- 17:00"Tonight or Monday?"
- 17:02"Monday," I said.
- 17:04Let him carry it over the weekend.
- 17:06He nodded once and went back to his
- 17:07table.
- 17:09Branigan poured me another beer that I
- 17:10had not asked for and would not let me
- 17:12pay for,
- 17:13and I sat there for about 11 more
- 17:15minutes, and then I put cash on the bar
- 17:17anyway and went home.
- 17:19Behind me, the stool Prosser had been
- 17:20sitting on was still rocking on its bad
- 17:22leg.
- 17:23Nobody in that corner said anything for
- 17:25about five seconds, which in a bar is a
- 17:26very long time.
- 17:29I drove home and then I sat in my own
- 17:30driveway for a while with the engine
- 17:32off.
- 17:33I was not upset in the way you were
- 17:35probably imagining.
- 17:37What I was doing in that car was
- 17:38arithmetic because that is what my head
- 17:40does instead of being angry.
- 17:42He was 13 years old in March of 2011.
- 17:47Gage Prosser was 13 in a house somewhere
- 17:50doing whatever a 13-year-old does on a
- 17:52Tuesday.
- 17:53On the day that put this line on my
- 17:55face.
- 17:57That is not an accusation.
- 17:59It is just a fact that arrived in the
- 18:00car with me.
- 18:02And it took the heat out of the whole
- 18:03evening.
- 18:05Then I went inside and did not sleep
- 18:06much because the evening had opened the
- 18:09thing it was always going to open.
- 18:12Here is what happened told properly.
- 18:15Which I have done out loud maybe four
- 18:17times in 15 years.
- 18:20March of 2011, Southern Afghanistan, a
- 18:23road with a culvert running under it. A
- 18:26patrol had found a device the day before
- 18:28and marked it and pulled back and we
- 18:30came out in the morning to take it
- 18:31apart.
- 18:32The first device was not complicated. It
- 18:35was a pressure plate and a jug and it
- 18:36was the fourth one of its kind that
- 18:37month and if that had been the whole of
- 18:39the day nobody would ever have written
- 18:40anything down.
- 18:42The problem was the second signature.
- 18:44The detector gave a something 11 m back
- 18:46from the culvert off the shoulder in the
- 18:47flat spot and it would not resolve into
- 18:49anything clean.
- 18:51It might have been metal from the road.
- 18:52It might have been the thing we had all
- 18:53been saying to each other in the tent
- 18:55for three weeks. Salcedo suited up for
- 18:57it. He was 26. He was the best
- 18:59technician I had. He had been on the
- 19:01ground for four months and he was calmer
- 19:03than I was.
- 19:04I pulled him off it.
- 19:05Back to the line, Teo.
- 19:07Ma'am, I have got it.
- 19:09Back to the line.
- 19:11He looked at me for about a second and a
- 19:12half, and then he said, "Yes, ma'am."
- 19:15And he started walking back, and I put
- 19:17the suit on, and I went down the road
- 19:18myself. That is not bravery. That is the
- 19:21rule a master chief gave me in a parking
- 19:23lot in 2010, and I was following it, and
- 19:27it is the only reason I can still do
- 19:28this job.
- 19:30I was 19 m down and turned to the left
- 19:33working when the second device
- 19:34functioned.
- 19:36It was not the one I was kneeling next
- 19:37to. It was the one behind the safe line
- 19:40laid in the flat spot where a recovery
- 19:42team stands, which is the thing Salcedo
- 19:44had said out loud in a tent in February
- 19:47with a plate of food in front of him
- 19:48that he was not eating. It functioned
- 19:50while he was walking back to the line.
- 19:53The blast that killed him is not the one
- 19:54I was working on.
- 19:56I want to be exact about that because
- 19:58everybody who tells the story for me
- 20:00gets it wrong, and it matters to me in a
- 20:02way that I have never fully been able to
- 20:03explain to anybody who was not there.
- 20:06What I have of the next part is not a
- 20:08sequence.
- 20:10It is the pressure, first arriving
- 20:12before the sound in a way that does not
- 20:14make sense and is true anyway.
- 20:17Then the sound, then a very long ringing
- 20:19and dust that came down like weather,
- 20:22and the fact that I was talking on the
- 20:23radio and could not hear my own voice in
- 20:25my own head.
- 20:27My left side took fragmentation.
- 20:30Jaw, neck, shoulder.
- 20:33I did not know it for about 4 minutes.
- 20:35People tell you that and you assume
- 20:36they're being tough about it, and it is
- 20:38not that.
- 20:40Your body is extremely good at
- 20:42scheduling.
- 20:44We got him back. I am not going to
- 20:45describe that part.
- 20:48I woke up properly in a hospital 14 days
- 20:50later on the other side of a flight I do
- 20:52not remember in two surgeries I was told
- 20:54about afterward.
- 20:57A nurse had covered the bathroom mirror
- 20:58with a towel, and on the fourth day I
- 21:00took it off myself because I would
- 21:02rather do a thing than wait for it.
- 21:05Deacon Trask flew out to see me. He was
- 21:0853 and 3 years retired. He paid for the
- 21:10ticket himself and he sat in the chair
- 21:12beside the bed and did not fill up the
- 21:14room with talking.
- 21:15He did not tell me it was not my fault.
- 21:17He has never once in his life said a
- 21:19thing he did not believe and he was not
- 21:21going to start on a woman with her jaw
- 21:22wired. He said this instead, "You did it
- 21:25the right way and it still went wrong.
- 21:27Both of those are true. You are going to
- 21:29have to carry them at the same time.
- 21:31Most people cannot and that is what
- 21:33breaks them, not the thing, the two
- 21:35things."
- 21:36I have carried them at the same time for
- 21:3815 years. Some weeks the second one is
- 21:40heavier.
- 21:41Now, come back to Coronado, to the
- 21:43Monday morning after the bar, 0800, the
- 21:46joint work up and brief in a conference
- 21:48room at Naval Special Warfare Group 1
- 21:51with the long table and the screen that
- 21:53never works on the first try.
- 21:55Two SEAL platoons, one explosive
- 21:58ordnance disposal detachment from my
- 22:00group.
- 22:01Vandermeer on my right,
- 22:03Okonkwo two seats down on my left with
- 22:05the certification timeline in front of
- 22:07her.
- 22:08I was at the head of the table because
- 22:10the certification authority for the
- 22:11detachment sat with the group I was
- 22:13taking.
- 22:15I was in service dress, four gold
- 22:17stripes on the sleeve, the star above
- 22:19them, the badge above the ribbons.
- 22:21Prosser came in at 8:55 with a notebook
- 22:24in his hand.
- 22:25He got about two steps through the door
- 22:27and he stopped and everything went out
- 22:28of his face at once.
- 22:31I watched him do the same arithmetic I
- 22:33had done in the driveway on Thursday
- 22:34night, only faster and in front of 11
- 22:37people who were waiting for him to sit
- 22:38down.
- 22:40He stood in that doorway for about 3
- 22:41seconds, which does not sound long.
- 22:44It is very long. It is long enough for a
- 22:46scheduler to look up from a laptop and
- 22:48for the training officer to turn around
- 22:49in his chair.
- 22:51I did not say anything about it. I did
- 22:53not need to.
- 22:54I said, "Gentlemen, we are starting on
- 22:56time."
- 22:58And I looked back down at my timeline
- 22:59and he came in and took the seat that
- 23:01was left for him, which was directly
- 23:03across from me at the far end of the
- 23:05table where he was going to spend the
- 23:06next 50 minutes looking at the left side
- 23:08of my face.
- 23:10The brief ran 50 minutes and I did not
- 23:12mention Thursday one time.
- 23:15I want to tell you what that took and
- 23:17the honest answer is that it did not
- 23:18take very much because the timeline was
- 23:20complicated and I had a lot to do.
- 23:23Two platoons sharing one detachment
- 23:25across a six-week workup, a dive window
- 23:27that did not line up with a range
- 23:29window, and a certification event at the
- 23:31end of May that everything else had to
- 23:32be built backward from. That is the
- 23:34actual job. The job is a calendar. I
- 23:37called on him once.
- 23:39Lieutenant Prosser, your dive window.
- 23:40Walk me through it.
- 23:42I used his rank and his name and his
- 23:44billet in the same voice I used for
- 23:45everybody else in that room. And I let
- 23:47him answer and he answered well.
- 23:50He knew his platoon schedule cold, which
- 23:51is not nothing at 28.
- 23:53His voice was not entirely steady for
- 23:55the first sentence and then it was fine.
- 23:57That was the whole of it. That is the
- 23:59entire use I ever made of the most
- 24:01useful thing I have ever been handed.
- 24:03When it was over, I collected my folder
- 24:05and went back to my own building and by
- 24:06lunchtime the pressure started coming at
- 24:08me from both directions, which is what
- 24:10happens when you decline to do the
- 24:11obvious thing.
- 24:13Okonkwo came in first at about 1:00 in
- 24:15the afternoon with a document already
- 24:16drafted. She had not waited for me to
- 24:18ask and I want to be clear that this was
- 24:20correct of her.
- 24:22A chief staff officer who waits to be
- 24:23asked is decoration. She put it on the
- 24:25desk and stood there.
- 24:27Ma'am, with respect, that needs a name
- 24:29on it.
- 24:30I read it. It was a good document. It
- 24:32was accurate. It was unemotional. It
- 24:34named the witnesses and it would have
- 24:35ended his ability to be trusted with
- 24:37anything for about two years.
- 24:40No, I said.
- 24:42May I make the argument?
- 24:44Please.
- 24:45She made the institutional argument,
- 24:47which is the good one. And one I have
- 24:49made myself in other rooms.
- 24:51She said, "Ma'am, you are not the only
- 24:53person he is ever going to talk to you
- 24:55that.
- 24:56You are the version of this that can
- 24:57absorb it. You have four stripes and 25
- 25:00years in a group.
- 25:02The next woman he does this to is going
- 25:04to be a second class technician with 11
- 25:06months in the community and no way at
- 25:08all to make it stop.
- 25:10That is the end of the sentence she
- 25:11would not finish in the parking lot in
- 25:13February.
- 25:14She got there eventually and she was
- 25:16right to.
- 25:18"I know." I said.
- 25:19"That is exactly why it is not going in
- 25:21my complaint."
- 25:22She waited.
- 25:24"If I file it then the record says a
- 25:25captain was insulted." I said.
- 25:28"That is a story about rank. It teaches
- 25:30him that the mistake was picking the
- 25:32wrong woman. I do not want him learning
- 25:34that. I want it in his record written by
- 25:36his own chain describing what he did in
- 25:38a bar to a person whose name is not in
- 25:40the document at all."
- 25:42She thought about it. She did not like
- 25:44it and she thought about it and she
- 25:45said. "That is harder to make happen."
- 25:48"It is." I said. "That is why I'm going
- 25:50to go make it happen."
- 25:52Two days later I went to see Vandermeer
- 25:54in his office at the group. He had a
- 25:56photograph of a dive boat behind him and
- 25:58a stack of officer evaluations 2 in high
- 26:00on the corner of the desk which is the
- 26:01real furniture of command. He offered me
- 26:04the favor before I sat down. I think he
- 26:06had been planning to offer it since
- 26:07Thursday.
- 26:09"I can make this go away for you." he
- 26:10said. "Officer to officer he will never
- 26:13be anywhere near you or your people
- 26:15again. Nothing on paper.
- 26:17Nothing on paper is a real gift.
- 26:20It is the currency senior officers hand
- 26:22each other. It means no board ever reads
- 26:25it, no promotion package ever carries it
- 26:27and everybody involved gets to keep
- 26:29moving."
- 26:30"I do not want it to go away." I said.
- 26:33"I want it written down. Not by me, by
- 26:35you."
- 26:37He sat back.
- 26:39"You understand what a counseling entry
- 26:40does to a lieutenant?"
- 26:42"I understand exactly what it does. I
- 26:45have written 11 of them.
- 26:47And you understand that if it is in
- 26:48writing it is in writing." he said.
- 26:51"It does not know how to be
- 26:52proportional. Five years from now it is
- 26:54a line in a file and the man reading it
- 26:56will not know how the beer got there."
- 26:58"That is true of everything we write," I
- 27:00said. "It is also the only thing that
- 27:02has ever changed anybody's behavior in
- 27:04this navy.
- 27:05A conversation with no paper behind it
- 27:07is a favor between two captains. It is
- 27:09not a correction."
- 27:10He looked at me for a while.
- 27:12"You are not asking for much," he said.
- 27:15"You could ask for a great deal more."
- 27:17"I know what I could ask for," I said.
- 27:20"I am asking for one page signed by you
- 27:22and his chain and I never see it."
- 27:24He wrote it. It was one page. It went
- 27:27into his own command's process with his
- 27:29signature at the bottom and my name is
- 27:31not in the body of it anywhere and to
- 27:33this day I have not read it and I am not
- 27:34going to.
- 27:36That evening Okonkwo walked out to the
- 27:38parking lot with me still turning it
- 27:40over. She is 38 and she is going to
- 27:42command something soon and she was doing
- 27:44what people do at that stage which is
- 27:46stress test the reasoning of everybody
- 27:48above her.
- 27:49"Ma'am, can I ask the last one?"
- 27:51"Go ahead."
- 27:52"Why not just say who you are in the
- 27:54moment? Right there in the bar. It would
- 27:57have taken four words and it would have
- 27:58stopped it in one second and every
- 28:00person in that room would have learned
- 28:02something."
- 28:03I have thought about that question for a
- 28:05long time both before she asked it and
- 28:08every week since.
- 28:10"Because the day my rank is what makes
- 28:11it wrong," I said.
- 28:13"Everybody under that rank is out of
- 28:15luck."
- 28:16She did not answer right away.
- 28:19"If I stand up in that bar and say what
- 28:20I am then the lesson in the room is that
- 28:23he picked the wrong woman," I said.
- 28:25"There were four other women in that bar
- 28:27on Thursday. Two of them were about 23
- 28:29years old. Not one of them had anything
- 28:32on their sleeve.
- 28:33I am not going to teach a room full of
- 28:35people that the rule is about sleeves."
- 28:37She stood there with her keys in her
- 28:39hand.
- 28:40"That is a very expensive way to be
- 28:42right," she said.
- 28:44"It is," I said.
- 28:46"I can afford it. That is the only
- 28:48reason I am the one doing it."
- 28:50Some of what follows I did not see. I
- 28:53heard it later from three people who
- 28:55were there and did not think they were
- 28:56telling me anything important at the
- 28:57time.
- 28:59Vandermeer delivered the counseling
- 29:01entry in the first week of April in his
- 29:03office with the door shut.
- 29:05Proctor had been waiting for it for 2
- 29:07weeks by then, which was on purpose. He
- 29:09had spent a weekend and then 11 working
- 29:11days assuming he had insulted somebody's
- 29:14wife.
- 29:15Then he had walked into a conference
- 29:16room and found out otherwise.
- 29:18And then nothing had happened to him at
- 29:20all for a fortnight.
- 29:21That is not cruelty. It is how a chain
- 29:24of command moves when it is being
- 29:26careful.
- 29:27He signed the page.
- 29:29He asked one question and he asked the
- 29:31wrong one, which is not surprising for
- 29:3328.
- 29:34He asked whether she was going to be
- 29:36involved in his certification.
- 29:38I am told Vandermeer let that sit in the
- 29:40room for a second.
- 29:42"You want me to tell you she outranks
- 29:43you," he said. "She does. It is the
- 29:46least interesting fact about Thursday."
- 29:48I could not have said it to him myself.
- 29:51Coming from me, it would have been a
- 29:52speech about my own dignity.
- 29:54Coming from his own captain, it was a
- 29:56correction about his character, which is
- 29:57the only correction that has ever worked
- 29:59on anybody.
- 30:00The second thing happened in his platoon
- 30:02and I know about it because Halverson
- 30:04told a chief and the chief told my
- 30:06command master chief and my command
- 30:07master chief told me, which is precisely
- 30:10how information travels on a waterfront
- 30:12and always will.
- 30:14Halverson went to him in the middle of
- 30:15April at the end of a training day and
- 30:18said something that I think is the most
- 30:19useful sentence anybody said to Gage
- 30:21Proctor that spring.
- 30:23"Nobody's angry at you," he said.
- 30:26"Everybody just knows now. That is the
- 30:28part you're going to have to live with."
- 30:30They did not bring it up again. Not
- 30:32once. Not as a joke.
- 30:35That platoon simply carried a piece of
- 30:37information about their officer through
- 30:39the entire spring and behaved perfectly
- 30:41around it. And that is a worse sentence
- 30:43than anything a captain could have
- 30:45handed down.
- 30:46A punishment ends. Being known does not.
- 30:50The third thing I saw with my own eyes,
- 30:52and it is the one that actually did the
- 30:54work, and nobody arranged it.
- 30:56The joint workup put his platoon in a
- 30:58lane with my detachment for 6 weeks.
- 31:01That is not a punishment, either. That
- 31:03is a calendar.
- 31:05Two platoons, one detachment, and
- 31:07somebody has to go first.
- 31:10In late April, they were on a range east
- 31:12of the city on a day that got to 88°
- 31:15providing security while my technicians
- 31:17ran a render safe problem.
- 31:19The technician on the wire that
- 31:20afternoon was a third class named Pilar
- 31:23Estrada, 23 years old, 11 months in the
- 31:25community, exactly the sailor Okonkwo
- 31:28had described in my office.
- 31:30She went down the wire in the full suit.
- 31:33Nobody explains our job to anybody. We
- 31:35just make them stand in the sun and
- 31:36watch it take 40 minutes, and they
- 31:38figure it out.
- 31:40I was there because the incoming
- 31:41commodore goes and stands on ranges, and
- 31:43because I wanted to see how the
- 31:45detachment worked when nobody senior
- 31:47from their own unit was watching.
- 31:50I did not watch Estrada. I have seen a
- 31:52thousand of those.
- 31:54I watched the security element.
- 31:56For the first 10 minutes, they were
- 31:57security element.
- 31:59For the second 10 minutes, they were
- 32:00bored, which is correct and healthy.
- 32:03Somewhere in the third 10 minutes,
- 32:05something happened to that group of very
- 32:07fit young men that I have watched happen
- 32:10maybe 200 times in my career and have
- 32:13never once gotten tired of.
- 32:16They understood how long it was taking.
- 32:18They understood that the person out
- 32:20there was alone and was going to be
- 32:22alone for as long as it took.
- 32:24And that there was no version of the
- 32:25afternoon where anybody could help her,
- 32:27and that this was not a bad day.
- 32:29This was Tuesday. This is what the job
- 32:31is on a day when everything goes right.
- 32:34Prosser was on the left in the shade of
- 32:36a vehicle, and he not take his eyes off
- 32:38her for the last 20 minutes of it.
- 32:40I watched him from 100 m away with a
- 32:42bottle of water in my hand, and I did
- 32:44not go anywhere near him.
- 32:46When she came out of the suit, she was
- 32:48the color of a brick, and her hair was
- 32:49flat to her head, and he was standing
- 32:51there with a canteen held out.
- 32:54She took it. She did not thank him.
- 32:56She has told me since that she did not
- 32:58consciously decide not to.
- 33:00She was too tired to have decided
- 33:01anything.
- 33:03But, I watched her take it and turn away
- 33:05and go sit on the bumper of the truck,
- 33:06and I thought, "Good. She does not owe
- 33:08him that."
- 33:10In early May, I signed off on the
- 33:11detachment's manning for the deployment,
- 33:13which is a spreadsheet with 41 names on
- 33:15it, and about a third of the way down
- 33:16the second page was the platoon he
- 33:18commanded.
- 33:19Okonkwo was in the office when I
- 33:21initialed it.
- 33:22She watched me not react.
- 33:25"You are really not going to do anything
- 33:26about him." she said.
- 33:29"I already did." I said. "I put him in a
- 33:31lane with a strata for 6 weeks."
- 33:33"Ma'am, that was the schedule." "I
- 33:35know." I said. "It is still the only
- 33:37thing that was ever going to work."
- 33:39She sat down on the arm of the chair,
- 33:40which she did about twice a year when
- 33:42she was thinking rather than reporting.
- 33:45"He is going to think he got away with
- 33:46it." she said. "He is not." I said. "He
- 33:49is going to think about it every time he
- 33:51sees somebody in a suit for the rest of
- 33:52his career.
- 33:54That is not getting away with it. That
- 33:55is a much longer sentence than I could
- 33:57have written."
- 33:58I would like to be able to tell you that
- 34:00I was serene about all of this.
- 34:02I was not, entirely.
- 34:04There were two or three nights in that
- 34:06stretch where I lay awake and
- 34:07constructed the version where I stood up
- 34:09off that stool in the bar and took him
- 34:11apart in front of his platoon, sentence
- 34:14by sentence, and it was extremely
- 34:16satisfying, and I could do it in about
- 34:1890 seconds. Everybody who tells you they
- 34:20never build that version is lying to
- 34:22you.
- 34:23The only thing I can honestly claim is
- 34:25that I did not do it.
- 34:27He came to me in the middle of May by
- 34:29the vehicles at the end of a training
- 34:31day.
- 34:32I had known it was coming for about 2
- 34:33weeks. You can see it building in
- 34:35somebody.
- 34:37He had started arriving early to events
- 34:38I was at and finding reasons to be in
- 34:40the same 40 ft of gravel as me.
- 34:42And twice he had gotten close enough to
- 34:44speak and then not done it.
- 34:47I want to say plainly that I do not hold
- 34:48that against him.
- 34:50It takes a certain amount of spine at 28
- 34:52to walk up to a captain and open that
- 34:53conversation and he did eventually walk
- 34:56up.
- 34:57"Ma'am, do you have 5 minutes?"
- 35:00"I have about 90 seconds." He had
- 35:02written it out. I could hear the writing
- 35:04in it the way you can always hear it. He
- 35:06had a first sentence that had been
- 35:07worked on.
- 35:09"Ma'am, I need to apologize for the bar.
- 35:11What I said was inexcusable and I have
- 35:13thought about it every day since and I
- 35:15want you to know that it is not who I
- 35:18"Lieutenant." I said.
- 35:19"I am not going to take that from you
- 35:22and and you should not want me to."
- 35:24He stopped.
- 35:25He looked like a man who had run into a
- 35:27door in his own house.
- 35:29"Ma'am?"
- 35:30"If I take it, you are done thinking
- 35:31about it." I said.
- 35:33"You hand it to me. I say something
- 35:35gracious. We both feel better and by
- 35:37Friday it is a story you tell about how
- 35:39you learned something.
- 35:41I would rather you were not done."
- 35:43He stood there.
- 35:44To his credit, he did not argue and he
- 35:46did not fill the silence. Which is more
- 35:48disciplined than most people have at
- 35:49that age.
- 35:51I gave him one sentence about my face
- 35:52because he was going to construct
- 35:53something in his head anyway and I would
- 35:55rather he constructed the right thing.
- 35:58"The scar is from a road in Afghanistan
- 35:59in 2011 and the person who did not walk
- 36:02off that road was a first class
- 36:03technician named Salcido." I said.
- 36:06"That is all of it you get and I am
- 36:07telling you only so you stop imagining
- 36:09it."
- 36:10He said. "Yes, ma'am."
- 36:12And something happened to his face that
- 36:14I did not enjoy watching. Then I told
- 36:16him the rest which was the part I
- 36:17actually needed him to hear.
- 36:19"You will be certified on what your
- 36:20platoon can do in the water and on the
- 36:22ground." I said. "The same sheet
- 36:24everybody else gets. The standard has
- 36:26not moved since January and it is not
- 36:28going to move because of March. If you
- 36:30are looking for me to go easier on you
- 36:32as a favor, I will not. If you are
- 36:35worried I am going to go harder on you
- 36:36out of spite,
- 36:38I will not do that either. And if I
- 36:40catch anybody in my group doing it, I
- 36:42will end their day. That is the whole
- 36:43conversation.
- 36:45Yes, ma'am.
- 36:46Go home, Lieutenant.
- 36:48I walked back to the lane.
- 36:50I did not offer to talk again. I did not
- 36:52tell him to come see me if he ever
- 36:53needed anything, and I did not take him
- 36:55under my wing. And I want to be honest
- 36:57that I have been asked about this by two
- 36:59different people who thought I was cold
- 37:01about it.
- 37:02Here is my answer.
- 37:05There is a version of this story where I
- 37:06mentor him, where I take the young man
- 37:08who insulted me and I build him into
- 37:10something, and we shake hands at the
- 37:11end, and everybody feels wonderful.
- 37:14I have watched senior people do exactly
- 37:16that, and I have applauded at the
- 37:17ceremony. I did not want it.
- 37:20I am 47 years old. I had a group to take
- 37:22in June, and 41 people going overseas in
- 37:25October, and my attention is not
- 37:27infinite. Every hour I spend on the
- 37:29redemption of a lieutenant who did not
- 37:31need redeeming so much as he needed to
- 37:33grow up is an hour I'm not spending on
- 37:35Estrada, who has 11 months in the
- 37:36community and is going to be
- 37:38extraordinary, and who has never done
- 37:39anything to me except her job in 88°
- 37:42heat. I do not owe him a project. Nobody
- 37:45owes anybody a project.
- 37:47Late May, my command master chief came
- 37:49to find me.
- 37:50Wendell Roach is 49, a master chief
- 37:53technician, 27 years in, and he has the
- 37:55specific gift that the best command
- 37:57master chiefs have, which is that he
- 37:59tells you the thing you are not going to
- 38:00hear anywhere else.
- 38:03"Ma'am, the whole group knows," he said.
- 38:05"The bar, it went around the waterfront
- 38:07in about 11 days. They are waiting to
- 38:10see if you spend it."
- 38:11"Spend it."
- 38:13"Yes, ma'am, it is a lot of credit. You
- 38:15could get almost anything out of group
- 38:16one with it right now, and about half
- 38:18the building expects you to."
- 38:20I asked him what he thought I should do.
- 38:23"I think you already decided," he said.
- 38:26"Or you would be asking me differently."
- 38:28"I am not going to spend it, Master
- 38:30Chief," I said. "I am going to need it
- 38:32later for something real."
- 38:34He nodded and went away satisfied, and
- 38:36about 6 weeks later, I did need it. Over
- 38:39a manning decision I lost twice before I
- 38:41won it.
- 38:42And having never once cashed the bar in
- 38:44is the reason anybody listened to me the
- 38:46third time.
- 38:48At the very end of May, Deacon Trask
- 38:51called me from Florida.
- 38:53He was 68 and his knees had gone and
- 38:55somebody had sent him the story. Because
- 38:57the community is 9,000 people and it is
- 38:59all one telephone.
- 39:01He asked me one question about it.
- 39:03"Did you handle it or did you win it?"
- 39:06"I handled it."
- 39:07"Good," he said.
- 39:09"Winning it would have cost you more."
- 39:11Then he talked about his knees for 11
- 39:13minutes and about a boat he was thinking
- 39:14about buying and definitely was not
- 39:16going to buy.
- 39:17And about a dog that had come with the
- 39:19house. I sat in my car in a parking lot
- 39:21and listened to all of it and did not
- 39:23say very much. That was exactly what I
- 39:25needed and he knew it was and neither of
- 39:28us said so because we have known each
- 39:29other for 24 years and that is not how
- 39:32we talk.
- 39:34When I hung up, I sat there for a second
- 39:36with the phone in my lap.
- 39:38Same seat, same posture, same not
- 39:40starting the car
- 39:42as a Thursday night in March in my own
- 39:44driveway.
- 39:45The difference was that this time there
- 39:47was nothing to sit with.
- 39:49I just did not feel like driving yet.
- 39:52Certification ran 3 days at the end of
- 39:54May. I would like to tell you that I
- 39:56looked for a reason to fail him.
- 39:58I did not have to look. There was not
- 40:00one.
- 40:01His platoon ran the lanes and my
- 40:02detachment ran with them and they were
- 40:03good. Not remarkable, good. They took
- 40:07two reruns, one on a dive event because
- 40:09of a boat problem that was not their
- 40:10fault and one on a ground event because
- 40:12of a communication failure that was.
- 40:15And they fixed the second one on the
- 40:16same afternoon, which is the actual
- 40:18test. Nobody cares whether you get it
- 40:20right the first time. Everybody cares
- 40:23what you do in the 40 minutes after you
- 40:25get it wrong.
- 40:26I signed the sheet in the back of a
- 40:28truck with the door open, sitting
- 40:29sideways with my feet on the bumper in
- 40:31the last of the light.
- 40:33Then I handed it to Okonkwo without a
- 40:35comment, and she read it, and she did
- 40:37not say anything either, and I
- 40:39appreciated that more than I told her.
- 40:41Prosser was down the pier, maybe 60 m
- 40:43away with his platoon breaking down
- 40:45equipment. He saw me sign it. He did not
- 40:48come over. That was the first correct
- 40:50thing he did in this entire story
- 40:52without being told to do it, and it is
- 40:53the reason I think he is going to be all
- 40:55right in the long run.
- 40:57He understood that there was nothing to
- 40:58say, and that saying nothing was not
- 41:00weakness. That takes people years.
- 41:03I have not spoken to him since that
- 41:04afternoon in May, and I do not expect
- 41:07to, and there's nothing sad in that.
- 41:09Most of the people you affect in this
- 41:11life, you affect once.
- 41:13And then you both go to work.
- 41:15In the first week of June, the change of
- 41:17command package landed on Okonkwo's
- 41:19desk, which is where every ceremony in
- 41:21the Navy actually lives. The program,
- 41:24the seating, the guest list, the
- 41:25sequence of events, and the biographies,
- 41:28and inside the biography package, the
- 41:30awards.
- 41:31She came into my office holding two
- 41:33pieces of paper, and she had a look on
- 41:35her face I had not seen before.
- 41:38"Ma'am, the citation does not say what
- 41:40happened," she said.
- 41:42"It says almost nothing."
- 41:44I knew exactly what she was holding. The
- 41:46Bronze Star citation from 2011 is one
- 41:49paragraph long.
- 41:51It says that on a date in March, in
- 41:52support of operations, I distinguished
- 41:54myself by meritorious achievement, that
- 41:57I performed my duties in a professional
- 41:58manner, and that my actions were in
- 42:00keeping with the highest traditions of
- 42:01naval service. It does not say culvert.
- 42:04It does not say second device. It does
- 42:07not say that the officer took the walk
- 42:08herself. It does not say the word
- 42:11Salcedo anywhere in it because Tao has
- 42:13his own citation in his own file that
- 42:16his mother has a copy of and because the
- 42:18two of them were never written as one
- 42:19event, they were written thin on
- 42:21purpose. The task force we were
- 42:23supporting was operating in a way that
- 42:24nobody was going to describe in an
- 42:26unclassified paragraph in 2011.
- 42:29And the man who wrote my citation wrote
- 42:31around the entire afternoon so carefully
- 42:33that the result is a piece of paper that
- 42:35could describe a supply officer having a
- 42:36good quarter.
- 42:38It was written that way on purpose, I
- 42:40said.
- 42:41It is 15 years old, ma'am.
- 42:43I called. There's nothing in that
- 42:44afternoon that is protected anymore.
- 42:47It has not been protected since 2018.
- 42:49She put the second page down.
- 42:51Somebody should read it, the real one,
- 42:53in front of the group.
- 42:55I said no. I said no fairly quickly and
- 42:57with a reason that sounded good.
- 43:00Which is always the sign that I have not
- 43:01actually thought about something.
- 43:04I said that a change of command is about
- 43:05the command and not about the officer.
- 43:08And that the whole point of 15 years of
- 43:10not talking about it was not talking
- 43:12about it.
- 43:14She said yes, ma'am and took the pages
- 43:16and left and I sat in the office for a
- 43:18while.
- 43:19Here's what changed my mind and it did
- 43:21not happen until about 11:00 at night.
- 43:24I have heard that citation read out loud
- 43:26three times in 15 years.
- 43:29At an award ceremony in 2011, in a
- 43:31hospital with my jaw wired.
- 43:33At a change of command in 2017.
- 43:36At a retirement in 2022.
- 43:39Where somebody read my whole record.
- 43:42I have never once heard his name in it.
- 43:45Three readings in 15 years of the
- 43:48official account of the worst 90 seconds
- 43:50of my life.
- 43:51And the man who was walking back to the
- 43:53safe line when it happened
- 43:55has never been in the room because the
- 43:57paperwork is organized by person and not
- 44:00by afternoon.
- 44:01That is not anybody's malice.
- 44:04It is not even a mistake.
- 44:06It is just what a filing system does,
- 44:09and I had let a filing system be the
- 44:10only version of that day that ever gets
- 44:12said out loud in public.
- 44:14I called Okonkwo at 6:00 the next
- 44:16morning and told her to have the
- 44:18narrative read in full.
- 44:20Then I called Texas.
- 44:21Taylors mother is 71. She lives in the
- 44:24house he grew up in outside a town north
- 44:26of Houston, and I have called her every
- 44:27March for 15 years. And she has sent me
- 44:30a card every Christmas for 15 years, and
- 44:33neither of us has ever once discussed
- 44:34the arrangement. I asked her permission
- 44:36to say her son's name out loud at a
- 44:38ceremony in June in front of about 400
- 44:41people in California.
- 44:43She said yes before I finished the
- 44:44sentence.
- 44:46Then she asked me what the weather was
- 44:47like out here and whether I was eating
- 44:49because that is how people talk when the
- 44:51real thing is too big to fit in a phone
- 44:53call.
- 44:54We talked for 20 minutes about the
- 44:55weather and her garden and a nephew who
- 44:57had bought a truck he could not afford.
- 44:59She never went back to it.
- 45:01I never went back to it either.
- 45:03I hung up at about 10:00 9:00 at night
- 45:05and I put the printed citation on the
- 45:07kitchen counter with a pen next to it.
- 45:10And I stood there and looked at the two
- 45:11of them for a while.
- 45:13I did not write anything that night. I
- 45:15did not know yet what I was going to
- 45:16say.
- 45:17All I knew was that for the first time
- 45:19in 15 years, the version that was going
- 45:21to be read out loud was going to be the
- 45:22true one.
- 45:24And that I was the one who had waited
- 45:25this long to allow it.
- 45:27The change of command was on a Friday
- 45:29morning in June.
- 45:30On the concrete apron behind the group
- 45:32headquarters with the water at our backs
- 45:35and about 400 chairs set out in rows
- 45:37that Roach had personally measured
- 45:39because he is that kind of master chief.
- 45:41The group formed up in service dress.
- 45:43400 and some people who were about to be
- 45:45mine standing in ranks in the sun, most
- 45:48of whom I had met exactly once.
- 45:50Estrada was in the second rank of the
- 45:52second unit from the left. I knew where
- 45:54she was because I had looked for her,
- 45:56which I am admitting to.
- 45:58Okonkwo had run the seating.
- 46:00My mother could not travel and watched
- 46:02on a laptop in Ohio.
- 46:04And in the second row on the aisle,
- 46:06where the chief staff officer had put
- 46:08him without ever mentioning it to me,
- 46:10was Deacon Trask, 68 years old, in a
- 46:13suit that had fit him in 2009.
- 46:15He had flown himself out again,
- 46:1715 years later, out of his own pocket
- 46:19again, on knees that do not work.
- 46:22The ceremony went the way they all go
- 46:24for the first 11 minutes.
- 46:26Invocation, honors, the outgoing
- 46:28commodore's remarks, which were generous
- 46:30and slightly too long, and then the
- 46:32awards and the biography.
- 46:34Then the narrative was read.
- 46:36Not the paragraph. The account. The
- 46:38whole of that afternoon in March of 2011
- 46:41read out in a clear voice over a public
- 46:43address system into 400 people in a row
- 46:46of folding chairs full of civilians.
- 46:49The road, the culvert, the device that
- 46:51had been marked by a patrol the day
- 46:52before. The second signature 11 m back
- 46:55that would not resolve. The officer in
- 46:57charge who ordered her senior technician
- 46:59back to the safe line and put the suit
- 47:01on and made her self The second device
- 47:04in the flat spot behind the line. The 90
- 47:06seconds. And the name.
- 47:09Explosive Ordnance Disposal Technician
- 47:12First Class Teodoro Salcedo, 26 years
- 47:15old, who was walking back to the safe
- 47:17line because his officer had told him
- 47:18to.
- 47:20I stood through it at attention with my
- 47:21hands at my sides and I did not look at
- 47:23the crowd.
- 47:25I looked at a point on the water past
- 47:26the last row of chairs and I breathed
- 47:28the way you are taught to breathe. And I
- 47:31got through it.
- 47:32I had heard that citation read three
- 47:34times in 15 years.
- 47:36I had never once heard his name in it.
- 47:39Then I read my orders and I took the
- 47:40group and I gave my remarks, which were
- 47:42140 words long because I had written
- 47:44them at a kitchen counter and counted
- 47:45them.
- 47:46Most of it was about the people in the
- 47:48ranks in front of me and remarks are for
- 47:49the day they are given.
- 47:51I will give you the end of it because I
- 47:53meant it more than anything I have ever
- 47:55said into a microphone.
- 47:57Everything I know how to do, I learned
- 47:59from a master chief who failed me on my
- 48:01qualification board because I answered
- 48:02too fast, and from a first class who
- 48:04talked out loud to his own hands so his
- 48:06officer would always know how he was
- 48:07doing, I said.
- 48:09One of them is in the second row this
- 48:10morning. The other one is the reason I
- 48:12stand this way.
- 48:15Petty Officer Salcido has been the
- 48:16standard in this command for 15 years
- 48:18without anybody saying his name at a
- 48:20ceremony.
- 48:21That ends today.
- 48:23Then I said, I have the watch.
- 48:26And it was done. And 400 people sat down
- 48:29at once with that sound that 400 people
- 48:31make.
- 48:33Afterward, there was coffee and sheet
- 48:35cake on tables under a canopy.
- 48:37And it took me 40 minutes to get across
- 48:3960 ft of concrete.
- 48:43Trask waited me out.
- 48:45He knows how these things work.
- 48:47He stood by a table with a cup he was
- 48:49not drinking from exactly the way he had
- 48:51sat my board in 2002.
- 48:53And when I finally got to him, he looked
- 48:55at me for a second and delivered his
- 48:57review.
- 48:58Still too fast. Still working on it,
- 49:00Master Chief.
- 49:02Better though, he said, which from him
- 49:04is a citation of its own. And then he
- 49:06asked whether there was any cake left
- 49:08that was not the corner piece because he
- 49:10does not like frosting, and we went and
- 49:12found out.
- 49:14Somebody was holding up a phone at the
- 49:16end of the table with Teo's mother on
- 49:18it.
- 49:19She had watched the whole thing on a
- 49:20video call from a kitchen in Texas at
- 49:238:00 in the morning her time.
- 49:25She did not want to talk on camera to a
- 49:26crowd. She wanted to see the water
- 49:28behind me, so about six people spent a
- 49:30while turning a telephone around so a
- 49:33woman in Texas could look at the Pacific
- 49:34Ocean.
- 49:36Prosser was in that formation somewhere.
- 49:39I never looked for him. I am telling you
- 49:41that plainly because it is the truest
- 49:43thing in this story.
- 49:45On the morning it all paid off, the man
- 49:47who started it was not in my mind at
- 49:48all.
- 49:49And I did not go home and think about
- 49:51him either. And if I had not sat down to
- 49:53tell you this, I am not sure I would
- 49:55have thought about him again this year.
- 49:58That is what it looks like when you
- 49:59actually let something go.
- 50:01Not forgiveness, exactly. Just a lack of
- 50:03interest.
- 50:05That evening, I drove back to the
- 50:07headquarters after everybody had gone
- 50:09because there was a stack of things on a
- 50:10desk that was now mine, and I parked in
- 50:12the same spot in the lot where I had
- 50:14stood in February in jeans looking up at
- 50:16a building that belonged to somebody
- 50:17else.
- 50:19I sat in the car without starting it,
- 50:21which you may have noticed I do.
- 50:23Two windows were still lit on the second
- 50:25deck.
- 50:27Somebody was working late on a Friday in
- 50:28June, and I did not know yet which one
- 50:30of my people it was, and I remember
- 50:32thinking that finding out was going to
- 50:33be the whole job.
- 50:35Here is what I would tell you if you got
- 50:37this far.
- 50:38Somebody is going to be wrong about you
- 50:40this week.
- 50:41Not maliciously.
- 50:42Somebody at a desk or a counter or the
- 50:44end of a bar is going to decide what you
- 50:46are from 4 ft away,
- 50:48and they are going to be completely
- 50:50incorrect, and you will get to choose
- 50:51what that is. It can be a fight. It can
- 50:54just be Tuesday.
- 50:56I have been on both sides of that choice
- 50:59in a bar and in a parking lot and in a
- 51:01hospital with a towel over the mirror.
- 51:04And I can tell you that the quiet one is
- 51:06the only one you can actually live
- 51:07inside.
- 51:08The loud version feels better for about
- 51:1090 seconds. I know exactly how long 90
- 51:13seconds is.
- 51:15That's the whole of it.
- 51:16A stool at the quiet end of a bar, a
- 51:19road in southern Afghanistan in 2011,
- 51:22and a Friday morning in June where 400
- 51:24people finally heard Teo Salcedo's name
- 51:27read out loud in the place it belonged.
- 51:31I've been asked more than once whether I
- 51:32should have stood up off that stool and
- 51:34told that lieutenant exactly who I was.
- 51:37I still don't think so, but I would
- 51:39genuinely like to know what you would
- 51:40have done.
- 51:42Would you have said it right there in
- 51:43the bar in front of his whole platoon?
- 51:46And if you had been his captain that
- 51:47night, would you have explained it to
- 51:49him in the parking lot? Or would you
- 51:50have let him walk out not knowing? If
- 51:53somebody has ever decided what you were
- 51:54from 4 ft away and been completely wrong
- 51:56about it, I'd love to hear about it in
- 51:58the comments. I do read them.
- 52:00And if this one hit home, hit subscribe.
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