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0:00You're [ __ ] crying. You're breaking
0:02down, man. You're sorry this happened.
0:03Tell me what happened.
0:06Let me Let me put it down. Let me get it
0:08on the record. What happened?
0:14On June 11th, 2018, emergency crews
0:17responding to a brush fire in Hollywood,
0:19Florida, discovered the burned body of
0:2268-year-old [music]
0:23Roosevelt Bernard. What initially
0:25appeared to be an isolated fire [music]
0:27soon became part of a far more troubling
0:29investigation. Roosevelt's daughter,
0:3120-year-old Martin Bernard, was also
0:34missing. [music] She was 6 months
0:35pregnant and lived with her husband,
0:3822-year-old Cassendritz [music] Blancc,
0:40and nearby Fort Lauderdale. Her family
0:42had received messages from her phone,
0:44but the wording struck them as [music]
0:46unusual. Blancc told relatives that
0:48Roosevelt had stepped outside to speak
0:50with an unfamiliar man. [music]
0:52But as investigators examined the family
0:54home, they found suspected blood in
0:56areas that raised serious questions
0:58about that account. Police [music]
1:00placed Blancc under surveillance as they
1:02continued searching for Martin. On June
1:0512th, [music] officers confronted him at
1:07his apartment complex where they
1:08discovered Martine's remains inside a
1:10[music] trash bin. With two members of
1:13the same family dead, investigators
1:15needed to establish exactly what had
1:17happened and what role Blancc had
1:19[music] played in each death. Now,
1:21detectives sit down with the man at the
1:23center of the investigation. This is the
1:25interrogation of Cassandra Blancc.
1:33Cassandra, right?
1:35>> Yes, sir. The hell is that?
1:37>> Water.
1:41I don't think that's good, is it? How
1:42long's it been dripping like that? The
1:44entire time.
1:49The thing's dripping water.
2:20When that started,
2:25>> you want soda? You want a glass of
2:27water? You want anything?
2:29>> I'm actually hungry and
2:31>> Okay.
2:32>> I was I was actually supposed to go to
2:33work this morning.
2:35>> Well, that's going to be delayed for a
2:36little bit and I'm fixing to tell you
2:37everything that's going on, but I want
2:39to make sure you're at least comfortable
2:41before we get into that. What do you
2:43want? You want something to drink? You
2:44want something to snack on?
2:45>> Sure.
2:45>> Yeah. All right. Hold on a minute. I'll
2:48cook my
3:05Yep.
3:39How do you spell your first name?
3:41>> My name is Cassandra. C A S S A N for
3:44Nancy D R I TZ
3:49>> and the last name BL Bansancy.
3:53>> What's your birthday?
3:55>> October 4th, 1995.
4:00>> Haitian.
4:01>> How'd you know?
4:02>> Accent.
4:03>> I still have it.
4:04>> Barely.
4:05>> Barely.
4:06>> Barely Haitian. Yes, sir.
4:07>> I was Sometimes I get Jamaican and
4:09Haitian confused. I know they're
4:10completely different, but
4:11>> yeah.
4:12>> Um, but I thought I could What's your um
4:14your address? Five
4:15>> five. Um, well, before I didn't I didn't
4:18want to give it. Um, because
4:21>> all that all that stuff before is is in
4:24the past. Um, I'm going to let me just
4:27so so that you're aware of what we're
4:28doing. I'm going to get your basic
4:30information here. Uh, before I ask you
4:32any questions before I want to hear what
4:34you've got to say. Obviously, you know
4:37why we're here. Um, I want if you want
4:39to give me your side, if you want to
4:41hear what I've got,
4:42>> uh, before I can do that, I have to give
4:44you your rights and I'm going to do that
4:45in a minute. But this is just your basic
4:47information. I'm not going to ask you
4:49anything personal, any any of that kind
4:51of stuff at this point.
4:52>> Yes, sir.
4:52>> Um, so if you just bear with me here for
4:54a minute, then we'll get into that. And
4:56again, it's up to you if you want to
4:57hear what I've got to say. If you want,
4:59if you don't, it's um, obviously there's
5:03some issues. No rubber hoses, no phone
5:06books, nothing like that. What do you
5:08mean, Robert Hoses?
5:08>> I mean, like, I'm not going to torture
5:10you. I'm not going to make you talk. I'm
5:11not going to This is, you know, you you
5:13look within yourself and if you whether
5:15you want to speak, whether you want to
5:16hear what I've got to say and say
5:18nothing to yourself, that's all up to
5:19you. But before I do that, I got to get
5:21to basics. So, um, what's the address?
5:24Five.
5:33Um, your phone number.
5:41How tall are you?
5:42>> I believe
5:45510.
5:46>> Five 10 I believe.
5:48>> Okay. Weight?
5:49>> Um I haven't checked that one time.
5:53>> 210.
5:56>> Brown
6:02social.
6:03>> Social.
6:04>> Do you have a social security number?
6:05Yes.
6:06>> Why would you need the social?
6:08>> It's just part of the part of the
6:09initial information. It's all of it.
6:11>> I choose not to disclo. Yes, sir.
6:16>> You can understand why.
6:17>> No, absolutely.
6:18>> Yes.
6:19>> Absolutely. Um,
6:23>> what about work?
6:24>> Dela.
6:28D L PI.
6:30>> Absolutely.
6:30>> And where are they?
6:32>> Fort.
6:33What kind of work do you do?
6:35>> Um customer service. Um I assist um
6:39individuals that um have substance abuse
6:43like marijuana, alcohol,
6:47um you know, just substance abuse.
6:49>> Is that a like a halfway house or a
6:51recovery program or
6:52>> it's it's a u it's not a treatment
6:54center. It's actually um a call center
6:56based uh where we set these patients up
6:59with treatment.
7:00>> Mhm. Um so we click the um initial
7:03assessment um just to determine where
7:06they stand at this point um and then at
7:09that point they tell us if they want to
7:11proceed.
7:12>> Um if they don't we try to get them to
7:15you know it's for your own good that's
7:18why we want you to do that.
7:19>> How long have you been there?
7:20>> I actually just started. Okay.
7:23>> Yes.
7:23>> In the past 6 months?
7:25>> No.
7:27You
7:27>> I mean have you been there more than 6
7:29months?
7:29>> No.
7:44All right, Cassandra, as I explained to
7:46you, before I can tell you what's going
7:47on, before I can tell you why you're in
7:49here, um before I can hear even hear
7:52what you have to say, I have to give you
7:54your rights. I don't know if you've ever
7:55had these before, but they're pretty
7:57basic if you just follow along with me.
8:00You have the right to remain silent, to
8:01refuse to answer questions. Do you
8:04understand?
8:05>> Yes.
8:05>> Okay.
8:05>> And that's all I need is whether you
8:07understand or not. Uh, anything you say
8:09can be used against you in a court of
8:10law. Do you understand?
8:12>> Yes.
8:12>> Do you have the right to speak with an
8:14attorney before before speaking to the
8:15police and have an attorney present with
8:17you during questioning now or in the
8:19future? Do you understand?
8:21>> Yes.
8:22>> If you cannot afford an attorney, one
8:24will be appointed to represent you
8:25before any questioning if you wish. Do
8:28you understand? Yes.
8:29>> If you decide to answer questions now
8:31without an attorney present, you will
8:33still have the right to stop answering
8:34at any time and speak with an attorney.
8:37Do you understand?
8:37>> Yes.
8:38>> Okay. Understanding all those, do you
8:41want to hear what I have to say? Do you
8:42want to hear
8:43>> Yes.
8:44>> what's going on here? Okay.
8:46>> Um, how hard you go in school?
8:49>> How far did I go in school?
8:51>> Right.
8:51>> High school.
8:52>> Okay. You read and write English. Okay.
8:56English. English is your second
8:58language.
8:59>> Um,
9:00>> how fluent are you in It's not called
9:03Haitian. What's it called?
9:04>> Creole.
9:04>> Creole. How fluent are you in Creole?
9:07>> Can barely speak it, but
9:10>> So, English is your primary language
9:12>> at this point. Yes.
9:13>> Where'd you go to school?
9:15>> Christopher Columbus High School.
9:21>> Where's that?
9:22>> Miami.
9:24How long have you been in country?
9:27>> Um,
9:29>> were you born here or were you born in
9:30Haiti?
9:32>> Um, well,
9:34how long? Well, I choose not to answer
9:36that question.
9:37>> Okay. Yes.
9:38>> Again, any any question that I ask you
9:41that you don't want to answer, just tell
9:43me that.
9:43>> Of course.
9:44>> Um, this is not, as I said, this is uh
9:49this is just the only thing I want from
9:51you. And and let me make make this
9:52straight from the from the start as
9:54well.
9:58I'm not going to play games with you.
9:59I'm not going to beat around the bush.
10:00I'm not going to try to trick you into
10:02anything. Within the next few minutes,
10:05uh you're going to find out where I'm
10:06coming from. But quite honestly, you
10:08already know it. And it's it's your
10:10choice whether you decide to be honest
10:13with me. The only thing that I would ask
10:15is to not lie to me.
10:16>> Okay.
10:17>> Um and we'll figure out. I mean, there
10:20there's a reason for everything. Things
10:22happen for a reason. Um,
10:26even though I've been at this for quite
10:27a while, sometimes I don't know those
10:29reasons. So, this is just kind of a a
10:32little bit of us trying to get to the
10:33bottom of this and sort out and
10:35absolutely
10:35>> I don't want to make you into a bad guy.
10:37I don't know anything about you. I've
10:38never met you before.
10:40>> Mhm.
10:40>> Um,
10:42>> have you been drinking this morning?
10:44>> Have I been drinking this morning?
10:46Um, well, I had just um a little shot of
10:51it. Not this morning, but
10:53>> like last night.
10:55>> Yeah.
10:55>> You seem pretty straight. That's what I
10:57mean. You're
10:59>> I I'm not drunk.
11:00>> Okay.
11:00>> I'm I'm not under the influence at all.
11:03>> All right.
11:04>> You can test me. I'm
11:05>> No, no, you you seem I just um
11:08>> um I I only drunk recreationally.
11:11>> Okay. Um, reason being is because if you
11:16can understand where I'm coming from and
11:19it's I I I was extremely emotional about
11:22this because
11:25I I took it upon myself to ask my wife,
11:28hey, listen, you know, would you like to
11:31go see Well, first of all, she didn't
11:33want to go to the baby shower. There was
11:35a baby um baby shower that was arranged.
11:38She didn't want to go.
11:39>> When was this? um
11:42a few days like what's today? Uh
11:45Tuesday. This was supposed to be on a
11:47Saturday.
11:48>> Okay.
11:49>> So,
11:51I went to I I asked her if she wants to
11:54go to uh visit her parents. Um and she
11:57chose not to. Um you know, she she just
12:00chose not to. And
12:01>> this was last weekend.
12:03>> This was this Saturday.
12:04>> Okay. Like three days ago.
12:06>> So, long story. Yeah. So, long story
12:08short, um I was informed that um
12:12detectives wanted to speak with me to,
12:14you know, get an understanding of what's
12:16going on and I was extremely compliant.
12:19I you know, I wanted to help.
12:21>> Now, when was that?
12:23>> Yesterday.
12:24>> Okay.
12:25>> Um and I felt I felt as though, you
12:28know, the conversation started well. We
12:30were talking, you know, you asked me
12:33questions, I answer, conversation was
12:35going well. And then at that point at as
12:38at at a certain point I felt as though I
12:40was being accused.
12:42Um because the way they were explaining
12:46the way the way they were at um speaking
12:48to me it was as if the perspective I got
12:50was as if you were accusing me of being
12:52responsible for that and I was extremely
12:55upset about that and I didn't appreciate
12:57it. So you know I just I started driving
13:02you know just to clear my mind. No
13:04speeding obviously. just driving, calm
13:07my mind.
13:08>> And this was yesterday?
13:09>> Yes, sir.
13:10>> Okay. Yesterday being Monday.
13:12>> Yes.
13:14>> So, I just, you know, took a little shot
13:18and just fell asleep.
13:20>> Okay.
13:21>> And that's pretty much it.
13:22>> How long have you and your wife been
13:23married?
13:24>> Since October.
13:26>> October of like just recently. Within
13:29>> Yes.
13:30>> 6 months. Seven months.
13:31>> Yes.
13:34What were you going to tell me?
13:36>> Uh, I'm getting ready to get into all
13:38that. I'm just, uh, I'm still just
13:40working on the background, trying to
13:41learn a little bit about you. Okay.
13:43>> Um,
13:45the What's your wife's name?
13:47>> Martin.
13:48>> How long have y'all lived at that
13:49address? The, uh, First Avenue.
13:52Northeast 1 Avenue.
13:53>> Three months.
13:54>> Three months.
13:54>> Going on.
14:00When was the last time you your wife is
14:02missing currently or hasn't been seen
14:05for a day or two?
14:07>> My wife is missing. Well, here's here's
14:10what's going on.
14:11>> Okay. So,
14:12>> are you two having marriage problems or
14:15>> Not at all. Okay. Not at all. We just we
14:18have we have a great marriage. Um so,
14:22basically I woke up
14:25um and I saw a woman at my door. When
14:27was this?
14:29>> Tonight, actually.
14:31>> Um, there was a woman at my door. Um,
14:34and I was I I was I was startled. Who
14:38are you? And she explained to me um that
14:42I'm Martine's friend. Um, she explained
14:45to me that, you know, you paid for the
14:47cell phone. You you bought her the cell
14:48phone. Do you want her belongings or
14:51should I just should I just throw it out
14:54or, you know, burn it? She gave me those
14:56options and I said, "Well,
14:59I want it." I mean,
15:00>> now this is it's like 7:00 Tuesday
15:02morning. About when was this?
15:05>> Um 5:00 a.m.
15:07>> or 5:00 a.m.
15:08>> Early early this morning. Yes, sir.
15:09>> A couple hours ago. Okay. So,
15:11>> I've never met her before. Never seen
15:14her in a day of my life.
15:16>> Okay.
15:16>> I was I was really scared because like I
15:19told the previous detective
15:22>> that this is why I didn't want to give
15:23my address. for one because I didn't
15:26want people knowing where I live, trying
15:29to kill me, kidnap me, you know, torture
15:33me, beat me up, whatever. You know, I
15:36didn't I didn't want to be a um a victim
15:39of anything. So,
15:42>> I've got to ask you one thing. Have Have
15:44you ever been treated for mental
15:45illness?
15:46>> Mental illness?
15:47>> Right.
15:48>> Do you still have mental illness?
15:50>> No. No. I'm asking you if you've ever
15:51been treated for it.
15:52>> I don't have mental illness. I didn't
15:54think so, but again, I I don't know you,
15:55so I just have to ask. It's
15:57>> So, the woman shows up. You don't know
15:59this woman? Describe her for me. She's
16:02black. Um, her name's or she said her
16:07name was uh
16:10I think Shaunie, I think. I think that's
16:14what she said. She's black. She has
16:17braids, a little short. Um, she just
16:21came to She came inside my apartment.
16:23>> Older, younger?
16:24>> Younger. She looked young.
16:26>> Like what age?
16:27>> She looked 19.
16:29>> Tall, skinny, short, fat,
16:30>> short, skinny. Um, and I asked her, "How
16:35did you come in?" She said, "I used her
16:37her keys. I put it down in the the the
16:40kitchen."
16:41>> Now, she knocked on the door or you
16:43opened the door.
16:44>> She
16:45walked herself in.
16:46>> Okay. Um,
16:49she walked herself in and she just
16:52explained to me, "Here, read the read
16:55the text message."
16:57>> Hold hold up. The the keys.
17:00She let herself in with whose keys?
17:02>> Martine's keys. And she had some kind of
17:05rag in her hand. Um, and she just threw
17:10her belongings towards me.
17:11>> Where are Martine's keys?
17:13>> In the kitchen. She says she says
17:17>> in the kitchen in your apartment.
17:19>> She says yes. That's where she put it.
17:20>> What do her keys look like?
17:22>> Um, it's got a big M
17:24>> and Yeah.
17:30>> What did she do with her belongings?
17:32>> She just threw it at me.
17:33>> What were What were her belongings?
17:35>> Her cell phone.
17:38um
17:40her clothes
17:44and she said she left the bag in the
17:47kitchen along with her keys.
17:52>> Now, where's the cell phone now?
17:54>> In the room
17:56>> while I was sleeping in the bedroom.
18:00>> She showed you a text message. On whose
18:01phone was the text message?
18:03>> She told me, "Why don't you check the
18:05text message that she sent you?" and I
18:09opened the text and I read it. Um, and
18:13it's basically Martine just saying she's
18:16had enough. I've just read
18:19quickly
18:21and she she telling me she loves me. She
18:25doesn't want me to um go through
18:27anything like that, you know. And
18:32I I was just stunned. And I said, "Where
18:35is she?" and she said she's with my
18:37brother and they're they're doing it
18:39right now.
18:41>> So this woman says that your wife is
18:43having sex. Was that what she was
18:45implying?
18:46>> I'm not having sex. No.
18:47>> Like what's doing it?
18:48>> So basically the text message I read was
18:52um Martin basically saying that um
18:56basically long story short, I don't
18:58remember exactly what was said in the
19:00text.
19:01>> Whose phone is it on?
19:03>> My phone.
19:03>> Where's your phone? I wasn't able to
19:06bring anything with me.
19:07>> I mean, did they use your phone at your
19:09house or Yeah.
19:10>> Or did you have it in your pocket?
19:11>> Like
19:13basically basically I the officers they
19:17stripped me of everything.
19:18>> But when they did you have your phone on
19:20you? Did the officers take your phone or
19:21was it in the apartment?
19:22>> It was in the apartment.
19:24>> What kind of phone do you have?
19:25>> An iPhone.
19:26>> An iPhone.
19:29Uh what kind of case?
19:30>> Great.
19:34Spray Otter Box.
19:37>> I love those Otter boxes.
19:39>> Absolutely. She does.
19:44>> I drop mine three or four times a day.
19:46>> I'm sorry. I'm just
19:48>> What kind of phone does she have?
19:49>> A lot going on.
19:50>> I understand.
19:51>> Um, you know, it's it's white. The same
19:54thing. iPhone. It's white. Um, a white
19:57wallet case.
19:59>> White wallet. Oh, a wallet case.
20:01>> Yes.
20:03So basically, basically I read the text
20:06message. She was explaining
20:09um you know her issues with her dad. Um
20:13she couldn't take it anymore. Um you
20:17know basically it was basically a lot of
20:20like animosity towards him
20:22>> through that text message. And she she
20:26basically was like, you know, I did it,
20:30you know, and
20:31>> did what?
20:32>> Like she was responsible for her dad's
20:35death.
20:35>> Okay.
20:36>> Yeah. So basically she she said she was
20:40helped, you know, an individual named
20:44Juan. Um
20:45>> Juan Yeah. Juan.
20:47>> Um and she she said she took something
20:51about taking care of him, too.
20:54Um,
20:56you know, she
20:58>> she killed Juan, too,
21:00>> she said. Yeah.
21:02>> Had you known your wife to be violent
21:03before?
21:04>> No, not at all.
21:05>> Okay.
21:06>> Not at all. But a lot of weird things
21:08have been happening lately.
21:09>> Wasn't your wife pregnant?
21:10>> Um, yeah, she's pregnant.
21:12>> Whose child was that? Was that your
21:14child? Okay.
21:14>> Yeah. 6 months. She's still capable of,
21:17you know, still walking, moving, doing
21:21chores. The only thing she can't do is
21:23bend.
21:25>> She,
21:26>> let me just to make sure that I
21:28understand this right. Basically, this
21:29woman shows you a text. No, the woman
21:31tells you, "Check your text messages.
21:34>> Check my phone."
21:35>> Check your phone. You open up your phone
21:36and you have a text message. Is it
21:38showing that it's coming from your wife?
21:40>> So, it's not somebody else pretending to
21:42be your wife. It's coming from your
21:43wife's phone.
21:44>> Yes.
21:44>> And it says, "Does she say anything
21:46about killing her father?"
21:48>> Yeah.
21:48>> Okay.
21:49>> She She said it. When did the text when
21:51did she send the text message?
21:53>> I was asleep. I didn't even realize that
21:55I even got a text message like that.
21:58She, you know, she she told me, you
22:01know, why I I was confused. She said,
22:04"Why you don't why don't you check your
22:05phone to see, you know, what's going
22:07on?"
22:07>> Well, let me ask you this before I
22:09before I get confused.
22:13When you opened up your phone, did it
22:14show up as a new text message? You know
22:17how you got that little thing saying you
22:18have a text message?
22:20>> When was the last time that you looked
22:22at your phone last night? Like what time
22:24did you lay down or go to bed?
22:26>> Well, then I don't remember.
22:28>> I mean, was that text message on there
22:30at 10:00 last night?
22:35>> I don't think so.
22:37>> 9:00 last night. I mean, have you
22:39checked your phone since 9 or 10:00 last
22:42night?
22:43>> Oh, yeah, of course.
22:44>> And it didn't show up as a new text
22:45message. So basically so basically after
22:47the father was missing
22:49>> Mhm.
22:49>> Martine's
22:51like whole demeanor is changed. She she
22:56basically doesn't want to be out. I I
22:58told her investigations wants to come
23:01see you. I texted her that because her
23:03phone is saying her there's something
23:05wrong with her phone as far as calling.
23:06>> Mhm.
23:07>> Um and I texted her. I said
23:10investigations need to see because you
23:12know you you not showing up it makes you
23:15look really bad.
23:16>> And this was yesterday sometime. Okay.
23:18Let me ask you this. When was the last
23:21time that you had seen her father?
23:27>> Saturday.
23:28>> Okay. When was the last time that you
23:30saw your wife?
23:31>> Same day Saturday.
23:33>> You didn't see her Sunday? You didn't
23:34see her Monday?
23:35>> I saw her on Sunday.
23:36>> Okay.
23:36>> I saw her Sunday. I saw her. Well, today
23:40>> today's Tuesday morning.
23:41>> Yeah.
23:42>> Did you see her yesterday? Monday at
23:43all?
23:44>> Did I see her yesterday? Yeah, of
23:45course.
23:46>> Okay. I saw her yesterday.
23:47>> Where did you see her yesterday?
23:49>> At home. She's always home.
23:51>> Okay. Did she work?
23:53>> She she worked at Etna and she quit. Um,
23:57and I thought that was kind of strange
23:59because, you know, that that was her
24:02highest paying job yet as of yet.
24:04>> Mhm. Um, and I actually helped her get
24:07that job. Um, and she she said that she
24:11wasn't comfortable with being on the
24:12phone call. She works in a call center
24:13for Edna. Um, and she didn't feel
24:16comfortable. And she said she's just
24:18going to quit and find something else.
24:20She She's the type of person that quits
24:22jobs and starts new ones. And I said,
24:23>> "How long ago did she quit?"
24:26>> I think a week and a half.
24:28>> Okay. So, you saw her sometime
24:30yesterday, morning, afternoon?
24:35>> Uh, yesterday I saw her all day up until
24:39investigations told me to come by.
24:41>> What time was that? About
24:43>> Oh, I have no idea. I don't remember. It
24:45was maybe
24:47>> before lunch, after lunch.
24:51>> I'm sorry. I'm not I'm I'm really not
24:52thinking straight right now.
24:53>> Yeah, I got it.
24:55>> Let me let me let me take some time to
24:56think because they called me. Mhm.
24:59>> They called me and I called them back
25:01and I told them I would come right then
25:03and there.
25:04>> When you when they called you, where
25:05were you?
25:06>> At home.
25:07>> And was your wife there with you when
25:09they called you?
25:09>> Yes.
25:10>> Okay. So,
25:11>> they said they um they asked me, "Is
25:13your wife able to come?" And
25:17um when when when they when they said,
25:19"Can you are you able to bring your
25:21wife?" And I said, "Of course, I'll
25:22bring her with me."
25:23>> Okay. And
25:25um Martin I after I hung up I I
25:29approached Martin about it and Martin
25:30said no I'm not going because I wasn't
25:33there I'm not involved in that I was you
25:35know I don't know where I have to go you
25:37know just
25:38>> so was this yesterday morning like
25:40around breakfast time around lunchtime
25:43when you went down to Hollywood
25:44>> I have to I have to check my call log
25:46honestly I I'm not going to answer that
25:49because I really don't remember. Okay.
25:51Was it daytime?
25:54>> I think it was evening.
25:56>> Okay.
25:56>> I think it was evening.
25:57>> Well, that's not that long ago.
26:00>> Yeah.
26:00>> You mean towards like the end of the
26:01afternoon type thing?
26:03>> I think 7 maybe 7 8.
26:05>> Oh, okay. So, that was later later in
26:08the evening. You and is did you see her
26:12your wife again after that?
26:14>> No.
26:15>> What time did you come back to your
26:16apartment?
26:18So, I I called well I texted Martin. I
26:22said, "You need to come." And I came
26:24back home and I didn't see her. Um she
26:27said something about um her being um I
26:32think she said she's with her sister.
26:34>> What kind of car does your wife have?
26:35>> She doesn't drive. She She said that she
26:39was picked up by her sister um so that
26:42they can go to the movies together
26:43because, you know, she lives in Winter
26:46Haven. Now, you talk to her on the phone
26:48or
26:50>> text message.
26:51>> Okay. So, you're texting back and forth.
26:54>> Yeah.
26:54>> All right. Um,
26:58so you get back to your apartment, she's
27:00not there
27:02when you last saw her or when you left.
27:04So, and I just want to make sure I got
27:06this right. When you went down to talk
27:08to the detectives, and these are the
27:09Hollywood detectives, right?
27:11>> Yes.
27:11>> When you went down to talk to them, your
27:13wife was in the apartment.
27:15>> Yes. someone I loved. She was there.
27:17>> Okay.
27:18>> And that was sometime in the later
27:20afternoon, early evening.
27:22>> Yes.
27:23>> What was your wife wearing?
27:26>> Um,
27:26>> just think for a minute.
27:28>> She She was She wasn't really wearing
27:31anything. She was just under the covers.
27:33>> So, she was in bed.
27:34>> She was in bed under the covers. Um,
27:38>> night gown, t-shirt.
27:39>> Yeah, she was wearing like a a gown.
27:47What color?
27:49>> I believe it was blue or the black one.
27:52It was the black one. I'm sorry. The
27:53black one.
27:55>> The black one.
27:58>> Why was she in bed that time of that
27:59time of day?
28:00>> She's always in bed. She
28:02>> Oh, that's right. She's 6 months
28:03pregnant.
28:04>> Yeah. She's always sleeping, falling
28:06asleep.
28:07>> I have no issues with that. I
28:09>> How's How's your pregnancy going?
28:12She she had a healthy baby boy. Um we
28:16always I always went to the doctor's
28:17appointment with her. Um regular
28:20checkups, never missed an appointment
28:21with her. I was, you know, a very
28:23serious dad. I wanted to be involved.
28:26And you know, she was we had plans to
28:30name him after me. We had all types of
28:32these plans. We've even called um
28:36um Berber Life
28:38>> um to to start a college fund and we
28:42were going to start saving, you know,
28:44even though he's not born yet.
28:45>> It's it's important to do that for kids
28:47right off the bat.
28:48>> Yeah. And it's never too early. People
28:50would have said before he's even born,
28:53you know, and it makes sense because
28:56Martine actually had a miscarriage
28:57before.
28:58>> Mhm. Um,
29:01and she she she's the type of person
29:04she's the type of person she doesn't
29:06like traditional
29:08practices.
29:10Um, she doesn't like the hospitals. She
29:13doesn't like giving birth through
29:16um, epidural. She wanted to give a water
29:18birth. She asked the doctor about that.
29:21She asked the doctor if she had to be at
29:22the hospital. She can be at home. She
29:25She doesn't like the traditional way of
29:27giving birth, if that makes sense.
29:29>> The uh Was she have a going to have a
29:30boy or a girl?
29:31>> A boy.
29:32>> Wait, which one?
29:34>> The one
29:36she the one she was going to have now?
29:38>> Yeah, boy.
29:40>> Okay. Well, have you all picked out a
29:42name already?
29:43>> After me.
29:45>> What was What was the name going to be?
29:46The full name?
29:48>> Desun.
29:49>> Okay.
29:50>> Oh, wait. Um, there's a middle name. I
29:53think it's Josiah. Okay.
29:55>> It's um Le
29:58She told me I I always forget
30:01something about what watching over God.
30:05Not not watching over God, watching over
30:07your
30:08I'm I'm not even going I don't even
30:10remember.
30:11>> Okay. The
30:13is your is your wife Haitian also?
30:15>> Yes, absolutely.
30:16>> Where did you all meet?
30:18>> Um we actually met in school. Um, we met
30:21through school and we started talking
30:23and
30:25you know we just saw each other
30:28frequently
30:29and recently we not recently but at some
30:32point we started seriously talking and
30:34then we hung out. Um, I met her dad, I
30:38met her mom, I met her brother, I met
30:41the entire
30:42>> with the family.
30:43>> Absolutely. Absolutely. I mean, of
30:45course, they're Haitian, you know, they
30:47they they have they have um they have
30:50their ways of, you know, education
30:52first. Um you know, just if if you know
30:55anything about Haitian parents, you
30:57know, they are the typical Haitian
30:58parents. But, you know, I've never had
31:00an issue with mom, never had an issue
31:02with dad. They've never had an issue
31:05with me. The only issue they had was um
31:08how she moved out um without, you know,
31:10the blessing and whatnot. Um, and the
31:13same thing with the marriage. Um,
31:17so you know, they they they still were
31:19upset about that, you know, how she did
31:22that and we didn't finish school, you
31:24know, and what have you.
31:26>> Let me I I'm sorry. I just I find it
31:28it's an interesting story, but let's go
31:30back to So, you leave you leave. She's
31:33in bed.
31:34>> Yes, sir.
31:34>> You go down and you talk to Hollandale
31:37or Hollywood?
31:38>> Hollywood. You to go down and talk to
31:40Hollywood people, Hollywood
31:42investigators.
31:44You finish up there about what time? Is
31:47it dark out when you finish up there?
31:49>> Yes, sir.
31:50>> Okay. Where do you go then?
31:52>> Where did I go?
31:52>> Mhm.
31:53>> I just took a drive around the city. I
31:56didn't I didn't go shing home to be very
31:58honest with you.
31:59>> Any idea what time you got home? Did you
32:00go any place else between driving and
32:02coming home?
32:04>> Did you go out for dinner? You go out
32:05for drinks? You go out for Mhm. Okay.
32:09>> Um, you come home about what time?
32:18>> I believe it was
32:22I have to
32:23>> approximate. It doesn't
32:25>> I I have to check my I have to check my
32:27phone because I wasn't really paying
32:30attention to the time because,
32:33you know, the the way the way it ended,
32:35I I didn't really appreciate that. So
32:37>> the way what ended?
32:38>> You know the the conversation with the
32:40detectives?
32:41>> Oh. With the uh the Hollywood.
32:43>> Yeah. Because you know I I came I showed
32:46up. I gave you my side of the story.
32:49>> Um and they started to tell me how, you
32:52know, we didn't see a man, a Hispanic
32:54man in front of the door or a van. Not a
32:56Hispanic man of the van. And I'm looking
33:00at them. How are you going to tell me if
33:02that's exactly what I saw in the
33:03background? A van. I'm not crazy at all.
33:06I mean, you can have a a physician test
33:10me. I mean, I'm I'm not mental at all. I
33:13know what I saw.
33:15>> Um, you know, I'm just I was just very
33:17sensitive.
33:18>> Well, that that's an issue that you you
33:20have with them, but so I'm just trying
33:21to sort out
33:23>> the that's the reason why I was driving
33:26around the city. Um, plus I felt I felt
33:29as though um because after after they
33:32asked me for my address
33:34>> Mhm. Um, and I declined that because I
33:37do have that right to decline it. Um,
33:40they thought it was suspicious of me to
33:42just decline,
33:43>> right?
33:44>> Giving my address. I can understand why.
33:46And I gave them my reasoning as far as
33:48why not because I don't want anything to
33:50happen to me.
33:51>> Well, now obviously guys know, you guys
33:53already know where I live. It's not
33:55going to be on a report. That's what I
33:57didn't want to that's what I wanted to
34:00prevent. So that's why I declined. So I
34:04I felt as though I was being
34:05>> follow that's separate that's I mean you
34:08felt you're being followed by by what?
34:10>> Hollywood police
34:12>> last night.
34:13>> Yeah. Absolutely. So it started off with
34:16me just calmly driving.
34:18>> Mhm.
34:19>> You know just driving to relax my mind.
34:21And then I I noticed two cars that were
34:25following me everywhere. Like just
34:28following me. Like I would, for example,
34:31I would be in the middle section. They
34:33would be in the middle section behind
34:34me. I would I would uh go on the turning
34:37lane, they would go there, and then last
34:39minute I would go this way, and then
34:40they would follow.
34:42>> And you think those were the police?
34:43>> Yes, it was a regular vehicles.
34:46>> It doesn't sound like they were very
34:47good at following you then if if you
34:49figured it out.
34:50>> Because Because when I looked at the
34:52tag, it was a regular Florida tag. And
34:55if it if it was not Hollywood police,
34:57then I feel like it was those people
35:00that that were at my apartment.
35:02>> Well, we let's let's go back to that.
35:05The So, you get home
35:07>> person,
35:07>> right? You get home sometime after dark.
35:11Um, do you talk to anybody after you get
35:14home? You make any
35:15>> No.
35:16>> Okay. You just chill out there. You have
35:18a What' you say? You had a shot or
35:19something?
35:19>> Yeah, I had a shot and I just went to
35:22bed.
35:22>> What was What did you drink? Um, it was
35:24a drink of choice. A pint of um, the
35:27officer asked me the same thing. Mango.
35:30>> I forgot the name brand. Name name some
35:33name brands.
35:34>> Mango brandy or
35:36>> it's mango's a flavor.
35:38>> Vodka.
35:39>> Not vodka.
35:41>> Rum.
35:42>> Mm.
35:43>> I don't know. I don't drink anything
35:45mango. I eat mangoes. But Okay. So, you
35:47had one one of those little bottles.
35:49>> Yeah. I had a shot of that and I fell
35:52asleep. Well, no, not not one of those
35:54little bottles. I actually had a like a
35:56you know, a pint like this size, but I
35:59it was up to here and I just took it and
36:02it relaxed my nerves and
36:04>> just went to sleep.
36:05>> Oh, like schnaps, mango schnaps or
36:07something?
36:09>> Yeah. I'm not sure what that would be.
36:11So, you you crash
36:14the next thing you know, does anything
36:16happen between when you crash and when
36:18you're woken up by the woman?
36:19>> I was waiting for my wife to come home.
36:21I thought she was with her sister at the
36:23movies.
36:24>> Mhm.
36:25>> Um, and
36:26>> now did she send you a text message
36:28saying she was at the movies?
36:29>> Yeah.
36:31>> Okay.
36:31>> She was at she got picked up by her
36:34sister to go to the movies
36:37and
36:39it wasn't true.
36:40>> But she she told you that.
36:43>> Yes, sir.
36:43>> And it came from her.
36:44>> Yes, sir.
36:45>> And about what time was that? Any idea?
36:47>> 11.
36:49>> 11 p.m.
36:50>> Yes. Okay.
36:52Um
36:53>> I think so. I think so.
36:54>> When was the Did you talk to her on Did
36:56you talk to her on the phone at all
36:58after you left yesterday when you went
37:00down for your interview?
37:03>> I know you said you had several text
37:04messages with her. Did you ever speak
37:06with her after you left the apartment
37:09>> yesterday? Right.
37:10>> Yeah, she was she was home. She Well,
37:14yesterday when there was the interview
37:17um after
37:18>> Right. That's what I mean. You get in
37:19the car and you drive. Did you go to the
37:21Hollywood station?
37:22>> Yes, sir.
37:22>> You drive to the Hollywood station. I
37:25know between say yesterday evening,
37:27early evening,
37:29uh, and this morning sometime, you had
37:32text messages from your wife. Did you
37:34ever talk to her on the telephone?
37:36>> No.
37:37>> Did you all normally just communicate
37:39through text messages?
37:40>> Um, recently we we had to the last few
37:43weeks because something's been messed up
37:46with her phone particular.
37:48>> Okay. Um, I had the same issue for a
37:51little bit, but you know, I was I was
37:53able to actually call out, but she
37:56needed to get her phone fixed. I've been
37:58trying to get her to go to AT&T,
38:01you know, keep prolonging it. And that
38:04that's an issue because you need to
38:07phone a call. So,
38:10I came home, I saw the text message
38:12about her going to the movie theaters
38:14with her sister because, you know, they
38:16were hanging out. What movie were they
38:17going to? Any idea? Did she tell you?
38:20>> I I didn't ask. I I We Because the
38:23reason I don't I The reason I didn't ask
38:24is because when she and I go to movie
38:27theaters, we just choose whichever one
38:29is either in the area or has the movie
38:32that we're looking for playing at.
38:35>> So, you don't have a particular theater
38:37that you
38:37>> Yeah, we we don't because we use AT&T
38:40Thanks. Um, it gives you a discount and
38:43whatever movie we both decide on, we
38:46first start off and we first start off
38:48with the one that's nearest us, see what
38:50time they're playing. If it doesn't fit,
38:52we go to the next nearest one, so on and
38:54what have you. So, we don't have a
38:56designated movie theater. [snorts] Um,
38:58but to name you a few AMC.
39:01>> Well, it doesn't matter. I mean, she
39:02didn't tell you which one you were going
39:03she was going to, and you don't know
39:04which one she went to, right?
39:06>> So,
39:07>> I mean, I trusted her. I Well, it's her
39:09sister. I mean, I don't see why not.
39:11>> She thought it was her sister.
39:13>> You think she's screwing around on you?
39:15>> No, not at all.
39:17>> Not at all.
39:18>> So, this woman shows up this morning
39:20somewhere around what did you say? 4:00.
39:24>> Yeah.
39:28And tell me again, she she knocked on
39:30the door and woke you up or she came in
39:32and woke you up.
39:33>> She opened the door.
39:35>> Did you wake up when you heard the door
39:36open or did she wake you up? She woke me
39:39up. How?
39:41>> She just Hey.
39:44>> came into your bedroom. Where were you
39:45sleeping?
39:46>> In the bedroom.
39:47>> You didn't hear her come into the
39:49apartment?
39:49>> Well, we just moved into the apartment.
39:53When I'm when I'm asleep, I don't really
39:56hear anything unless you're yelling at
40:00my ear.
40:01>> Okay.
40:01>> Um, we just moved in. We don't really
40:04have furniture. Um, we were actually
40:06planning to do that. Um, it's been 2
40:09months. You know, we just have a blowup
40:11bed. Uh, we were actually going to get a
40:13bed. We actually, um, were going to get
40:15the bed that I had, uh, when I was
40:17living with my parents. It's a big old
40:19bed and we were going to bring that to
40:21the apartment. Um, we also bought a
40:24refrigerator. Um, that's why I had
40:28bought a hand truck to move the
40:30refrigerator and put that in. Um, so you
40:34know, we just decided, forget it. You
40:36know, it's doesn't
40:37>> Where's the refrigerator?
40:38>> We sold it back.
40:40>> Okay.
40:41>> Sold it back. Brought it back. And um I
40:44had to bring it downstairs.
40:47Um so the woman tells me that um the Oh,
40:52another one of the belongings was the
40:54hand truck. Um she
40:56>> she carried all this in.
40:58>> No, she she told me where it was
41:00located. She said it was located um
41:05underneath the leaves. Um and
41:08>> under what leaves?
41:09>> Under the leaves. And she said there was
41:11blood on it. And I said, "Are you
41:12serious?" And she said, "Yes." Um so you
41:16need to take care of that. And I said,
41:19"Okay." Um so I just
41:21>> Under the leaves where?
41:24>> Um under the leaves um where where the
41:28the vehicles are parked.
41:29>> Okay. Yeah.
41:31>> Like, is there a pile of leaves there?
41:33>> Yeah.
41:35>> So, the woman comes in, she's inside
41:37your house, she gives you your wife's
41:39phone.
41:40>> Mhm.
41:40>> And what else does she give you?
41:42>> And she tells me where the the hand
41:44truck is located.
41:46>> Okay.
41:46>> Um, so that's
41:48>> When was the last time you saw the hand
41:50truck?
41:51>> When it was sitting in my apartment.
41:53>> When you went to the police interview
41:54yesterday.
41:55>> It was in my apartment.
41:58So,
41:59>> and when you came back last night, where
42:01was it?
42:03>> Well, she she told me it was downstairs
42:07and it had blood on it and I never had
42:10blood on my hand truck. Um, so that's
42:13why I had took some cleaning gloves
42:18>> because I didn't want to touch all of
42:20that.
42:21>> And I just took a trash bag. I
42:24>> It smelled really bad and I just took
42:26it. The hand truck smelled bad
42:28>> and I threw it out. Yeah.
42:30>> Okay.
42:32>> Um and who did this woman say she was
42:34again?
42:35>> Um
42:39I just I just said it. I forgot the
42:41name.
42:42>> How did she know your wife?
42:44>> Uh they're friends, she said.
42:46>> Okay. And what?
42:47>> She said I'm her friend.
42:49>> And what did her brother have to do with
42:51it?
42:52>> Her brother wasn't in the apartment. She
42:54said her brother is taking care of the
42:55situation.
42:56>> Okay.
42:57>> About the text message
43:00>> taken care of. What did you take that to
43:02mean? So basically my wife, she after
43:06she said that she was, you know, the
43:10responsible for her dad's passing, um
43:13she she she said she didn't want to um
43:16something about not wanting to be in in
43:19prison with a baby, giving birth, losing
43:23a child. She said all this in a text
43:25message
43:26>> and yeah, she she she
43:29sent a really long paragraph. I
43:33>> was like I had to scroll through.
43:36>> Is that still on your phone?
43:37>> Yes, sir.
43:38>> Now, how do you get into your phone?
43:41>> How do I get into
43:42>> Yeah. Do you have a passcode on the
43:43phone?
43:43>> Yes, sir.
43:44>> Are you going to give me that code? We
43:45need to get the message.
43:47>> Yes, I can give it to you.
43:48>> What's your What's your code?
43:49>> But I don't know her I don't know her
43:51passcode. her her passcode. It's
43:53>> as long as we can get it off your phone.
43:55I mean, that's what's important.
43:57>> Um 10 01 I'm sorry. One 0495.
44:03>> Wait a minute. What is it again?
44:06>> Let me see.
44:08Yeah. One 0495. Basically my
44:11>> 104
44:1310495 basically.
44:15>> Oh, your birthday.
44:16>> Yeah.
44:17>> Damn. That many numbers.
44:19>> Of course.
44:23Some people like them
44:26one. Oh [ __ ]
44:41>> Okay.
44:42>> I thought you only needed four numbers.
44:43I didn't know you could do six.
44:44>> You can do six. Um but if if if for some
44:48reason Sorry. For some reason, it's not
44:50bad.
44:50>> I don't want I don't want you to feel
44:52like I'm misleading you at all.
44:53>> No, you seem like you're being pretty
44:54straight.
44:56>> 10 95.
44:57>> Okay.
44:59>> Just in case.
45:01So, basically
45:04my like
45:06my wife, she texted me a a huge
45:09paragraph,
45:10>> right?
45:10>> Um straight from her number because she
45:13does she does tell me how she gets
45:15random text messages.
45:18Not not text messages, like a random
45:20text off of a random number, but this
45:22one was straight from her.
45:24>> Well,
45:24>> and only she knows the passcode
45:26>> on her phone. Okay.
45:27>> So, it had to be her.
45:29>> So, you don't know her path?
45:30>> Not at all.
45:31>> The
45:33So, in in this message, and and we'll
45:35we'll try to pull that up down the road
45:38here. She tells you that, if I
45:41understand you right, basically she she
45:43admits to killing her father.
45:46She she she talks about
45:48>> how did her father die?
45:49>> Her dad she shot her him.
45:54>> She shot him.
45:55>> So she says that she shot her father and
45:58>> and the man that helped him, Juan. She
46:01said
46:01>> and she shot Juan too.
46:03>> Something about some I she sent me she
46:06sent me a text message
46:08um like towards me.
46:10>> Mhm. It started off with, "I love you,
46:12Cassanders." And then she sent me a
46:14paragraph's worth. And then she also
46:17sent me what she sent her sister. Um,
46:21she said,
46:23um, and I'm reading this and I know it's
46:26towards her sister because you see her
46:29sister's name comes up a lot. Joanne.
46:32Joanne. Joanne.
46:34So,
46:36I I was reading it and a lot of what I
46:39was reading was like really bad hatred
46:43towards your dad.
46:44>> Okay. Well, I mean, we can get we can
46:46sort all that out later, but why is she
46:49telling you all this and then this other
46:51woman's bringing her stuff back to you?
46:54Like, what would
46:55>> She in in the text message, she said
46:57that um
46:59she wanted to kill herself.
47:01>> Mhm. Um, and after she she died, she
47:05wanted to be burnt like into fire.
47:09>> Did she say how she was going to kill
47:11herself?
47:12>> A gun. Using the w the the woman's
47:16brother's gun.
47:18>> What kind of Does she have a gun?
47:20>> Does she have a gun? Not her, but
47:23>> sounds the the way the Well, actually, I
47:26don't know actually. She may very well
47:28have a gun, but based on the text
47:30message, it sounds like she doesn't
47:32because Martine is asking her for her
47:35brother's gun, if that makes sense.
47:38>> So, if I understand this right, and
47:40correct me if I'm wrong, she's saying
47:41that and and it's all written down
47:43somewhere. So, she's saying that she
47:46shot her father and then she shot the
47:48other guy, too.
47:50>> Yes.
47:50>> So, that's two of them.
47:52>> Mhm.
47:53>> And you don't know. And you think it was
47:54the other guy's gun that she used?
47:58>> Perhaps.
47:59>> Have you ever seen her with a gun
48:00before?
48:01>> No.
48:01>> Do you have a gun?
48:02>> No.
48:03>> Okay.
48:03>> And speaking of um so basically another
48:07thing she another thing she gave me like
48:09threw at me was the gun.
48:11>> Mhm.
48:12>> Um it came in a a a box with a bag. Um,
48:17and I looked, she she before I opened
48:20it, she said, "You're probably going to
48:22you're probably really going to need
48:24this." And I said, "Need what?" And then
48:26I opened it. I I saw the gun.
48:29>> Holy [ __ ] Tell me what the gun look
48:31like.
48:32>> It's It's literally It's It's It's
48:34literally the gun. It It's It's It's got
48:38like um
48:40like a a cylinder type thing.
48:43>> Okay. So, do you know the difference
48:44between a revolver? That's what it is.
48:46>> And a semi-automatic.
48:48>> Revolver.
48:48>> Semi-automatic has
48:49>> I know what it is. I know what it is.
48:51It's a revolver
48:51>> where you pull the
48:52>> Absolutely.
48:53>> And revolver's got the wheel that folds
48:54out.
48:55>> Absolutely.
48:55>> Okay. So, black. Black or silver.
49:00>> Chrome.
49:00>> I think it was
49:03>> stainless, gray, black.
49:08>> I think it was black.
49:09>> Okay.
49:10>> I think black or silver.
49:12>> Big, little,
49:13>> small. And I'm looking at it like holy
49:17[ __ ] Like
49:19I've never because I've I've never
49:21touched a gun before. I've I've never
49:24I've never had a gun. I've never
49:26purchased one. Never had one. So I'm I'm
49:30looking at it. I'm like, "Holy shit."
49:32And then it's got the the the box of
49:36ammunition,
49:37>> right?
49:38>> And I'm looking at it and
49:39>> it's got all of it, the gun and the
49:41ammunition.
49:41>> She said, "You're probably going to need
49:43this." Okay.
49:44>> You're probably going to really need
49:45this.
49:45>> Why would you need it?
49:47>> Because I don't know. She She feels as
49:50though maybe people are going to come
49:51look.
49:51>> And she handed this to you?
49:53>> Yeah. She just said, "You're probably
49:55going to need this."
49:55>> Where's that now?
49:58>> It's It's in the apartment um in my
50:00bedroom. Okay.
50:01>> I've I mean, I I made the mistake
50:04touching it, but I never obviously
50:07>> Well, I mean, she handed it to you, so
50:08>> I never used it. And
50:10>> where in your bedroom?
50:12Either either it's on the bed or on the
50:14floor because I immediately put it away.
50:16>> Okay.
50:17>> Um,
50:19so I is Let me ask you this. Is there
50:22anything else in that apartment that
50:25this woman brought in that belonged to
50:27your wife? Is your wife's phone in
50:29there?
50:30>> Yes.
50:30>> Where's the phone?
50:31>> In the bedroom because she threw it at
50:34me.
50:34>> That's the one in the white wallet.
50:35>> Yeah.
50:36>> Your wife's keys are in the kitchen.
50:38That's the one with the M on it.
50:39>> Yes. Anything else that she gave you
50:42that belonged to your wife?
50:48>> Clothes. And
50:49>> And where are they?
50:51>> In the room.
50:52>> In the bedroom or in the
50:53>> in the bedroom? Yes, sir.
50:54>> Okay. And what are they? Are they folded
50:56up? Are they in a box? Are they in a
50:58>> just munched up? It wasn't even folded.
51:01It's like this and just
51:03>> Anything else that she Did she bring
51:05anything in a box? She bring anything in
51:07a bag? You bring anything in a sack?
51:09Yeah, the the gun I told you and the
51:12ammunition.
51:13>> Like it's got a whole case of
51:16ammunition.
51:17>> But I mean, how did she bring that in?
51:19That's what I'm asking. What was it? Was
51:20it all? Was she just carried
51:22>> in a bag? Yeah. And she had a rag.
51:24>> She had a rag that she was holding and
51:27she just
51:30>> she was just holding it.
51:31>> What kind of bag?
51:33>> Um,
51:34it was like a church
51:37type bag. It
51:39>> Yeah, it was like brown with u most of
51:42it is brown and it had like a purple
51:44logo on it.
51:45>> You mean like a woman's purse?
51:47>> Mhm.
51:48>> A church bag? It's
51:49>> I don't know what a church bag is.
51:51>> Basically, you if if if you've ever been
51:53to church, they give you like little
51:55goodie bags.
51:56>> Mhm.
51:56>> And
51:57>> where's that bag?
51:59>> It's in the apartment with the uh with
52:02the box.
52:03>> With what box?
52:04>> The box with the revolver and the
52:06ammunition. Oh, so that's in the
52:09>> and and the other crap was in there,
52:10too.
52:10>> It it I don't think it's there anymore
52:12because I was touching it. Okay.
52:14>> Um please don't take it the wrong way. I
52:18really never used it. Neither one of
52:21them.
52:22>> No, I understand that. But I'm just
52:23trying to find out. I We're going to
52:25need to grab that stuff. Do we have your
52:26permission to go in and get the gun and
52:28her personal stuff?
52:30>> No.
52:31>> Yes. No.
52:32>> Yes. Yes. Of course. And you think that
52:34bag is still in the apartment? In the
52:36where in the apartment?
52:42>> In the in the master bedroom.
52:44>> Okay. Anything else that they this woman
52:45brought in that you can think of?
52:56Not that I can think of off the top of
52:57my head myself.
52:59>> I'm going to grab some water. Um,
53:03you want do you need anything else?
53:06>> Um, maybe another another little bag of
53:09chips. You want What do you want? You
53:11want uh I think you got a choice. We got
53:12chips or we got cookies.
53:14>> I'll take the cookies.
53:16>> Okay.
53:16>> All right. Hold on a minute.
53:18>> Thank you.
53:18>> I appreciate you uh filling in blanks
53:21here for me.
53:22>> Of course.
53:34It just started leaking as soon as you
53:39>> happens with that.
53:42>> You need to fix that.
53:47[bell]
53:52My wife didn't feed the cats.
53:57I wish I could say that with that. I
54:01said I wish I could say that.
54:11Oh,
54:14>> yeah.
54:17Does Does your wife have a brother?
54:21>> Yeah. Down here. Who lives down here in
54:24Fort? Yeah.
54:26>> I mean, she may very well have because
54:30>> that you know of
54:32>> that I know of. No, because
54:36to my understanding
54:38she has a total of three brothers. Um
54:42the oldest one, um Ryan, he lives in
54:45Sunrise.
54:46>> Mhm. Um,
54:48the second oldest lives with mom um in
54:52Hollywood and the the youngest one, the
54:55youngest boy, no one knows where he is
54:58at all. No one knows where he resides.
55:02No one knows his phone number. It's like
55:05he's venged
55:07from the earth.
55:13>> Why' you ask? Uh there was just a there
55:16was a phone call that that came in. Uh
55:19they were trying to figure out whether
55:20it was one of your wife's brothers. Um
55:23[snorts]
55:25>> where do you think your wife is now?
55:28>> Where do I think she is?
55:29>> Right.
55:32>> I don't know. That's that's why I was
55:34walking around to see because after
55:37everything was done with, I was walking
55:40around to see, you know, where they
55:43where she could have been. Like what do
55:45you mean?
55:45>> Um like in the area I was walking
55:49um and then I just
55:52>> like walking in what area you're losing
55:54me there.
55:55>> The like let's say I live here. I was
55:59walking here.
56:01>> When was that?
56:03>> This morning.
56:05I was honestly just looking for her. Um
56:09and I I said, "You know what? Uh just
56:12when I'm when I'm done putting
56:14everything up as far as the the ladder
56:20like throwing it away. What where you
56:22throwing away the ladder?
56:23>> The the truck. It's full of blood.
56:26>> Yeah. She told me where it's located at.
56:30>> And where was that next? Was it upstairs
56:33or downstairs? Where she told you it
56:35was. You said it was under the leaves.
56:37>> Downstairs. Yes, sir.
56:39When
56:41So you go down those back stairs. Where
56:43was it from there?
56:45>> In the leaves.
56:47>> Like But where are the leaves?
56:50>> I remember I told you where the car is
56:52parked.
56:52>> Mhm. Where your car is parked?
56:54>> Well,
56:56behind it.
56:57>> Which car is yours?
56:58>> White Challenger.
57:00>> Okay. Behind it in that alleyway.
57:02>> Yes, sir.
57:03>> It was just sitting there laying there.
57:06>> Yeah, it was covered. She said it's
57:08covered over there underneath those
57:11leaves.
57:11>> Now, why is she bringing this stuff back
57:12to you?
57:14>> Well,
57:15and she she advised me that basically
57:19she wanted me to see if I wanted to just
57:21get those her belongings to be just
57:24thrown out like if if she and her
57:27brother were going to take care of it
57:29>> or if I wanted to take care of it. And I
57:30chose that I wanted to keep the phone.
57:32>> I thought I thought your wife had
57:34already killed the of her brother.
57:38killed.
57:40Your wife told you that she had killed
57:43her father
57:45and the guy that helped her, she had
57:47killed him, too.
57:48>> That wasn't this woman's brother?
57:50>> No.
57:51>> Okay.
57:53Basically, Juan is supposedly the guy's
57:55name that helped her kill her dad
57:58supposedly.
57:59>> Um, and how do you know Juan?
58:02>> I I don't know Juan at all. I don't I
58:05don't even know him. Um,
58:09and then the brothers,
58:11she didn't, as far as I know, she didn't
58:14kill because she wanted to kill herself
58:18based on the message. She didn't want
58:20to, like I said,
58:21>> well, did this woman say that your wife
58:22was already dead? This one?
58:24>> She said she said, "My brother is taking
58:26care of it."
58:28And
58:29>> so her brother was going to kill your
58:30your brother. your wife killed her
58:33father and won.
58:35>> So, it sounds like it sounds like my
58:37wife killed herself or she's the type of
58:41person that she
58:44how can I say it? She um
58:48she doubts herself a lot. She doubts
58:51she's she's easily scared. Um, so a lot
58:54of times she
58:55>> but she would have killed herself in a 5
58:57or 6 hour period because she was alive
59:00at 7:00 when you went to 6:00 when you
59:03went to Hollywood. She was alive when
59:05you got the text message at 9:00 after
59:07the interview. I told her, "You need to
59:10go see investigations right now because
59:13they're wanting to speak to you today.
59:17It's very serious. It's your dad. Your
59:20dad is
59:21>> And you think that's why she killed
59:22herself?"
59:22>> I think so. She she's she actually she
59:25admitted it in the message. She she
59:28didn't want to go through the
59:30consequences.
59:32>> Cassandra,
59:34let I just want to make sure that I've
59:36got this right cuz I don't want to take
59:38notes and be completely off on this.
59:42If you go down and you talk to the
59:43Hollywood guys, they're getting a little
59:46confrontational with you. It kind of
59:48throws you off. You leave, somebody's
59:51following you.
59:54You go back to your place.
59:55>> Two people. Two cars.
59:56>> Two cars. Some a couple people are
59:58following you. [clears throat] You go
1:00:00back to your place. You do a shot. You
1:00:02crash.
1:00:04You don't You're not that concerned
1:00:05about your wife because you're getting a
1:00:07text message from her saying that she
1:00:08she was there when you left at about
1:00:107:00 p.m. Monday,
1:00:13about 6:00 p.m. Monday or whatever it
1:00:15was.
1:00:15>> I wasn't concerned because I left
1:00:18>> and she sent you a text message saying
1:00:20that she was there. Um, and when I said
1:00:24I'm coming to pick you up, she was like,
1:00:25"I'm at the Joanne picked me up to go to
1:00:28the movie theater."
1:00:29>> And this was sometime around
1:00:31>> after when when I said, "You need to go
1:00:34to see investigator."
1:00:35>> Okay. This was after you'd already
1:00:36talked to the investigators,
1:00:38>> right?
1:00:38>> 8 or 9:00.
1:00:39>> After I texted her to say, "I'm coming
1:00:41to pick you up so that we can go
1:00:44together for you to speak to
1:00:45investigation."
1:00:46>> Okay. So, 8 or 9:00 last night.
1:00:49>> And it's like something like that. And
1:00:51and it's like and it's like she
1:00:54>> Well, bear with me for a minute. We'll
1:00:55come back to that. So that's the last
1:00:58time that you actually hear from her,
1:01:00correct? Well, that you're actively
1:01:03texting back and forth. You go back
1:01:08somewhere around midnight before, after
1:01:10have a shot, and crash.
1:01:11>> Mhm.
1:01:13>> Next thing you know, it's somewhere
1:01:14around 4:00
1:01:17and there's a woman in your bedroom that
1:01:19you don't know who she is. She's waking
1:01:20you up.
1:01:23She tells you to check your phone. Am I
1:01:25Am I right so far? Cuz I don't want to
1:01:27be putting I just want to make sure that
1:01:28what I've got is Yes.
1:01:30>> She tells you to check your phone.
1:01:33You've got a message on there.
1:01:35>> Mhm.
1:01:36>> From your wife.
1:01:37>> Mhm.
1:01:37>> That says
1:01:40condensed version,
1:01:42I killed my father.
1:01:45I killed this other guy. basically her
1:01:48admitting what she did, her saying she's
1:01:52scared to go through uh consequences and
1:01:57then her saying she's just going to kill
1:02:00herself.
1:02:00>> Okay. So, she admits
1:02:02>> with the woman's brother's gun.
1:02:05>> Did she say that in the text message?
1:02:07>> Yes.
1:02:07>> So, she tells you, "I killed my father.
1:02:09I killed the other guy, and I I'm not
1:02:12going to turn myself in. I'm going to
1:02:13kill myself with my friend's brother's
1:02:16gun." I think that I think I think
1:02:18that's why she wasn't right to answer
1:02:20your question. Yes. I think that's why
1:02:21she didn't want to confront
1:02:22investigations. That's why she didn't
1:02:24want to show up since the the the moment
1:02:28the moment we found out dad was missing.
1:02:31>> That's why she didn't want to I feel
1:02:32like that's why she didn't want to show
1:02:34up. So, this woman's basically coming in
1:02:36saying
1:02:40telling you your wife's dead or or pay
1:02:42attention. Your wife's dead and here's a
1:02:44gun that she used to kill herself.
1:02:46>> No, she said she said she said that my
1:02:50brother's taking care of it.
1:02:51>> Mhm.
1:02:52>> You're probably going to need this.
1:02:54[sighs]
1:02:55>> So,
1:02:55>> so that's not the gun that that your
1:02:57wife killed her father with.
1:03:00I believe it is because she just handed
1:03:02it to me. And it seems as though that is
1:03:05her brother's gun because based on the
1:03:08text message, her brother is the one
1:03:11that's using the gun so that she can
1:03:13kill herself. So, it may very well be
1:03:15she either doesn't have one or has one.
1:03:17I honestly don't know these people.
1:03:20>> So, do you think that's the same gun she
1:03:22used to kill herself?
1:03:25I mean, the way she said my brother's
1:03:27taking care of it,
1:03:29it's it sounds to me like maybe he was
1:03:33either helping her with the process or
1:03:37cleaning out the aftermath or whatever.
1:03:40>> Okay. What was your understanding was
1:03:42that that gun killed both her father and
1:03:44her?
1:03:45>> Yes. Okay.
1:03:48>> Did she tell you where she shot her
1:03:49father?
1:03:51>> No.
1:03:54Okay. So, this woman comes in, she she
1:03:59gives you the gun, she gives you her
1:04:01personal possessions, her whatever she
1:04:04add, the small stuff.
1:04:07The hand truck though, how did this
1:04:08woman get the hand truck?
1:04:10>> How did she get the hand truck? Right.
1:04:12>> It was basically they must have taken it
1:04:14out because it was in the apartment.
1:04:16They must have taken it out and because
1:04:19it was in the apartment the entire time.
1:04:21I don't understand how it would have
1:04:24went from here to to there. The only way
1:04:28is if either she moved it or
1:04:29>> where in the apartment was it?
1:04:31>> Where in the
1:04:32>> for the past couple days
1:04:33>> that where the air conditioner would be.
1:04:35>> Was that living room bedroom?
1:04:37>> Living room. Yeah. Where the
1:04:40um inside like you
1:04:42>> is it one of those big hand trucks like
1:04:445 ft tall type thing?
1:04:46>> It's it's one of those hand trucks that
1:04:48you can move the refrigerator. So, a
1:04:49heavy duty one, not a whole small one.
1:04:51>> Heavy duty.
1:04:52>> Was that there when you went down to the
1:04:53police department yesterday?
1:04:58>> I didn't really pay attention to that.
1:05:00>> Did you see it yesterday?
1:05:01>> I didn't need
1:05:03>> When was the last time you saw it?
1:05:04>> I didn't need to use it ever since I
1:05:06used the refrigerator. The refrigerator.
1:05:08>> When did you move the refrigerator?
1:05:11>> I would say 2 3 weeks ago.
1:05:14>> But that's or
1:05:15>> it's fairly big and it's in your living
1:05:16room. You had to see it. There's not
1:05:18much in there.
1:05:18>> No, no, no. In in the actual air
1:05:21conditioner, like there's a door and you
1:05:25put it inside.
1:05:26>> Oh, I see what you're saying.
1:05:27>> Yeah. And then you close it up
1:05:30>> like a little closet in there where the
1:05:32air conditioner water heater sits. That
1:05:34type of thing.
1:05:35>> Honestly, honestly, I think she must
1:05:38have
1:05:40already had it or maybe took it before
1:05:43she left.
1:05:44>> Your wife,
1:05:46>> whoever. I don't I I I have no idea. I
1:05:48just I just know I used it to move the
1:05:52refrigerator and yeah,
1:05:56I I want to make sure that you
1:05:58understand me because I appreciate you
1:06:02talking to me. I appreciate you
1:06:04listening to
1:06:06I I've talked to you. I've asked asked
1:06:08you some questions. Some of them you've
1:06:10answered honestly. Some of them I don't
1:06:12think you have. Um but but at least
1:06:16>> which one
1:06:17>> Well, I'm I'm getting ready to tell you
1:06:18at least you're speaking to me. Um
1:06:21obviously you've got to know you're in
1:06:23some pretty serious trouble now. Uh I
1:06:26mean you're the police department. They
1:06:28they grabbed a hold of you. They put you
1:06:29in handcuffs. They put you in the back
1:06:31of the car. They got you sitting here
1:06:33handcuffed to a table. Uh and and you
1:06:36haven't even asked me why.
1:06:39And I understand things throw people off
1:06:42and
1:06:42>> I already I already asked them why they
1:06:44told me because of suspicious
1:06:45activities. Okay.
1:06:47>> Because I was walking with my hoodie.
1:06:49>> Let let me
1:06:50>> I thought that
1:06:50>> and I I think you deserve I think you
1:06:53deserve me being straight with you. I
1:06:54told you when I came in here
1:06:56>> that um I I wouldn't play games to you.
1:06:58I'm not going to lie to you. I'm not
1:07:00going to do that type of thing. So I I
1:07:02just I want to give you the chance to
1:07:06clear things up.
1:07:08the the police were following you
1:07:10yesterday after you left, but you
1:07:13already kind of knew that. When you went
1:07:15to Walmart, what did you buy at Walmart?
1:07:17>> When I went, what did I buy?
1:07:19>> Right.
1:07:20>> I didn't buy anything.
1:07:21>> Well, you came out with a bag. I mean,
1:07:23they're going to know. They're going to
1:07:24find a bag and the receipt and I'll go
1:07:26back to the store.
1:07:27>> Oh, gloves. Yeah, gloves.
1:07:28>> The rubber gloves.
1:07:29>> Yes.
1:07:30>> Okay.
1:07:31>> Sorry. I
1:07:32>> No, [clears throat] that that's all
1:07:33right. And again, Cassandra,
1:07:34>> I'm sorry. I didn't remember.
1:07:36>> That's fine.
1:07:37I like you personally. I uh I find you
1:07:41interesting to talk to,
1:07:44but within the next few minutes or two,
1:07:45you're going to have to make that
1:07:47decision. Either you're going to be
1:07:48straight with me, and you're going to
1:07:49give me some reasons, and you're going
1:07:51to get this off your chest, and you're
1:07:52going to start working in that
1:07:54direction.
1:07:57Not only were they following you in the
1:07:58car, but there was more than two. There
1:08:00were several more. They followed you to
1:08:03the store. They saw what you bought. And
1:08:05when you went back to your apartment and
1:08:07you parked the car down at the end, they
1:08:08sat there and they waited. They waited
1:08:11and they watched and they watched and
1:08:15they watched and they saw you come out
1:08:18and they saw this you go down and get
1:08:19the dumpster. They saw you come back.
1:08:22They saw you go down and put the the
1:08:24cart in the other dumpster.
1:08:26There wasn't a woman.
1:08:29Just get it off your chest. Tell me what
1:08:31happened.
1:08:33I mean, just let it go. I mean, they I
1:08:36understand [ __ ] happens and I understand
1:08:38things just go sideways, but
1:08:42it it sounds to me like you just made
1:08:44some really bad choices and found
1:08:45yourself in a really bad spot. It
1:08:47doesn't mean it's the end of the world,
1:08:49but just give me I mean, tell me what
1:08:51really happened. Like, why?
1:08:53>> What do you mean it doesn't mean it's
1:08:54the end of the world?
1:09:02You know what happened? I just I need to
1:09:04know why. I mean, was did she come at
1:09:07you? Did Was it an argument? Was it a
1:09:13>> What do you mean weird?
1:09:15>> I mean,
1:09:23>> I mean, you're not dead.
1:09:26Although I can look at you right now and
1:09:28I can see that you're sorry for what
1:09:29happened. I can see remorse. I can see
1:09:32somebody who's a grown man who's a
1:09:34little concerned, who who's uh
1:09:38fearful about what's going to happen
1:09:40next.
1:09:43I've never been in your position. Um,
1:09:46but I can tell you from doing this job
1:09:48for many, many years, the only thing
1:09:51that's going to give you some peace and
1:09:53the only thing that's going to at least
1:09:55start to get you
1:10:01At least
1:10:05you got to be truthful. You got to be
1:10:06honest. From this point forward, you
1:10:09just got to tell me what happened. You
1:10:12know they were watching you, but you
1:10:14already knew that. You knew that they
1:10:16just didn't happen to stumble up on you.
1:10:18The guys were sitting in the alley for
1:10:20four or five hours. Uh that's why they
1:10:22called the patrol units to come down and
1:10:24and grab hold of you. Um, they've
1:10:27already pulled her out of the out of the
1:10:29dumpster,
1:10:31uh, out of the one small one. They
1:10:32pulled the handc card out of the other.
1:10:34They're doing search warrants to go into
1:10:36the house.
1:10:39You didn't mean for this to happen. I
1:10:41can look at you and tell. I can sit here
1:10:42with you right now and know that you
1:10:44didn't mean for any of this to happen.
1:10:45That something happened that just kind
1:10:47of pushed this out of control. Uh, that
1:10:50something just started spinning around.
1:10:53But that's what I want you to tell me. I
1:10:54want you to tell me your side. I told
1:10:56you I wasn't going to play games with
1:10:57you. I wasn't going to.
1:11:01I want to be able to go back to the
1:11:04prosecutor
1:11:05and I want to tell him, "Yeah, he he
1:11:07[ __ ] up,
1:11:10but he's remorseful. I mean, you didn't
1:11:13mean for this to happen, right?
1:11:16There's no way that this was you didn't
1:11:18plan this out."
1:11:20I mean, I say that, but
1:11:22>> So
1:11:23when when when when
1:11:26you say that about someone, what what
1:11:28typically happens the person?
1:11:30>> You know, a lot of it depends. A lot of
1:11:33it depends because every case is
1:11:34different. I've been in this unit.
1:11:36>> I'm just wondering.
1:11:36>> I've been in this unit for 19 years.
1:11:39>> Um,
1:11:41you know, I can't, and again, I'm not
1:11:42going to be one of these guys that's
1:11:44going to sit here and say, "Look, you
1:11:45tell me the truth and and I'll take care
1:11:47of it and I'll make it go away." because
1:11:49I can't do that. Um I can tell the state
1:11:52that you were cooperative that when
1:11:55confronted uh you came forward and you
1:11:59said what happened. Um
1:12:04I mean look at you're not a [ __ ]
1:12:05killer. You're not a killer. I can sit
1:12:07you're eating [ __ ] cookies.
1:12:10But something something tripped.
1:12:12Something flipped. And I and I want to
1:12:14know what it was. I mean, I want to
1:12:16know. I want to be able to go forward
1:12:18and say, "Yes, he was cooperative. Yes,
1:12:20when confronted, he uh uh he explained
1:12:24it to me." I mean, he said, "What
1:12:25happened?" Just like, "What happened?
1:12:29Get it off. I guarantee you, you're
1:12:30going to feel better." I can tell you
1:12:31from doing this for 19 years,
1:12:34just let it go.
1:12:37Otherwise, it's going to eat at you and
1:12:39eat at you and eat at you and eat at
1:12:41you.
1:12:43I know that you did not want to kill
1:12:45your wife. I know you didn't.
1:12:49I know that you did.
1:12:51But something something tripped.
1:12:55Um I mean obviously
1:12:58she's been dead more than five or 6
1:13:00hours.
1:13:03What happened?
1:13:08>> Just need some some time like my
1:13:10cookies. Still hungry. No, that's fine.
1:13:13That's fine. Again, I uh
1:13:18that's all this has come down to now. I
1:13:20mean, this is just your side. I've got
1:13:22got all the other stuff. We've collected
1:13:24the stuff. You know how phones work. The
1:13:26um the phone tracking system. Like, if I
1:13:30send you
1:13:32if I'm sitting here
1:13:36and I send you a text message,
1:13:39it's going to show up on your phone.
1:13:43When I go back and pull those reports
1:13:45with it, now not the regular phone
1:13:46report, but when I pull the report with
1:13:48a court order, it's going to tell me not
1:13:51only where my phone was when that text
1:13:53message was sent, but where your phone
1:13:56was when it was received. And it's going
1:13:58to tell me that within several yards.
1:14:01It's going to give me pretty specific
1:14:04geo locations, geo areas.
1:14:08We know that's going to what's going to
1:14:10happen with the if the text message is
1:14:11still on your phone or her phone. We
1:14:13know that the phone was going to be with
1:14:14you.
1:14:18They've been tracking your phone and
1:14:19they've been tracking her phone.
1:14:24I mean, it's
1:14:28it's just about
1:14:31this is the one chance that you really
1:14:33have.
1:14:36Why do you say I killed my wife?
1:14:39>> Because she's dead.
1:14:41Because you put her in the dumpster.
1:14:44You know you did. And then this is Well,
1:14:46we could we could sit and play and
1:14:48you're entitled to to continue to play
1:14:50play this out. If Listen to No, you hear
1:14:52me out. Hear me out.
1:14:53>> If if but you're entitled to that.
1:14:55You're entitled to play this out. But
1:14:58it's time for you to be straight and
1:15:00it's time for you to come forward and
1:15:01say what happened.
1:15:04same thing. I mean, it's just it's time.
1:15:07It's um you made a terrible mistake,
1:15:10whether she pushed you into it, whether
1:15:12she cornered you, whether she verbally,
1:15:16physically, whatever, but you made a bad
1:15:19mistake and there's no real correcting
1:15:22that mistake, but there is a getting
1:15:23right with it. Um,
1:15:27and you know, you could do the same
1:15:28thing that some people do. You could
1:15:29say, "Look, I I don't know what you're
1:15:32talking about. But I don't that's not
1:15:34going to give you peace in here. It's
1:15:36not going to give you the peace.
1:15:40You just got to be straight and tell me
1:15:41what happened.
1:15:44Like why?
1:15:46I know it was some I know it was
1:15:48something that just you seem like a
1:15:50pretty calm guy.
1:15:53Something just pushed you over the edge,
1:15:55like beyond over the edge.
1:15:58And I think I know, but I I I don't I
1:16:00don't want to hear it. I don't want you
1:16:02to hear it from me. I want to hear it
1:16:04from you.
1:16:08>> She told you she knew, didn't she?
1:16:11>> She told me she knew what?
1:16:14>> Well, see, that's I I don't want to put
1:16:15the words in your mouth. I want you
1:16:17>> What do you mean she she told me she
1:16:19knew it?
1:16:19>> I think she told you she knew something
1:16:22and she threatened you or cornered you
1:16:24with it and then things went bad from
1:16:27there.
1:16:29>> My wife's
1:16:29>> Mhm.
1:16:32I I'm not playing games. I really don't
1:16:34know what trips.
1:16:35>> Okay. Well, then maybe I'm maybe I'm
1:16:36wrong. You tell me what happened.
1:16:39>> Just be straight with me.
1:16:45Can I ask you a question?
1:16:47>> Sure.
1:16:48>> So, with people, you know, with people,
1:16:52not saying that it applies to me, but
1:16:55you know, with people
1:16:56>> hypothetically,
1:16:58>> Yeah. people that, you know, are in
1:17:01situations where they've, you know,
1:17:03murdered or whatnot. Um, is there a
1:17:07possibility of like, you know, they they
1:17:09can get out?
1:17:11What What are those circumstances? And
1:17:13and make sure listen to me clearly
1:17:15because I want to make sure that you
1:17:17understand this.
1:17:19There is always a possibility. You
1:17:22understand that I have absolutely
1:17:24nothing to do with that at this point.
1:17:26I can tell you that cooperation
1:17:30and that honesty
1:17:33go a long ways towards that.
1:17:36I can tell you that depending on,
1:17:40let's say hypothetically
1:17:43that
1:17:45I had somebody in here this morning, not
1:17:48you,
1:17:50and I talked to them and they found
1:17:51theirel in a bad position and something
1:17:53happened and they [ __ ] up and they
1:17:54killed their wife.
1:17:58and they tell me, "I've got nothing to
1:18:00say
1:18:02and we go ahead and we charge them and
1:18:05we go ahead and we collect the evidence
1:18:07and we prove the phones, we prove the
1:18:09cleanup in the house, the blood, we
1:18:12prove this, we prove that, and it goes
1:18:14to trial. There's no remorse. There was
1:18:16no honesty. There was no remorse.
1:18:20um jury does whatever they do and they
1:18:23find they they convict the person.
1:18:27On the other hand, you've got somebody
1:18:29hypothetically that would come in here
1:18:30that would tell you, I could tell you
1:18:32how you're ready to let it go. Just let
1:18:35it go. What happened?
1:18:38What happened? How come?
1:18:45[snorts]
1:18:46Where did it happen?
1:18:52Life is done.
1:18:54>> Where did it happen? [snorts]
1:18:58Is it in the apartment
1:19:03here?
1:19:05Just water.
1:19:13Just let it go. Let it out while you're
1:19:14doing it. Just let it go.
1:19:18Why are you doing this?
1:19:19>> Cuz we've got to get it out. We came
1:19:21this far. We got to get it out. Look,
1:19:22man. I'm telling you, when I sat here
1:19:24and I told you that you're not a killer.
1:19:28I sat here and I told you that I can
1:19:31look at you and I can see that remorse.
1:19:34You're [ __ ] crying. You're breaking
1:19:36down, man. You're sorry this happened.
1:19:37Tell me what happened.
1:19:40Let me Let me put it down. Let me get it
1:19:42on the record. What happened?
1:19:45[laughter]
1:19:46You didn't plan this out.
1:19:51>> Was it in the apartment?
1:20:03I'm going to get in prison.
1:20:07>> Don't even think about that. Let's think
1:20:08about getting this stuff right.
1:20:13Where did it happen?
1:20:26Let's work through this. Let's get it
1:20:28out.
1:20:35What was it over? It was over in Father,
1:20:36wasn't it? What was it over?
1:20:41Was
1:20:45it over? Was it your child? Was it over
1:20:47her screwing around? Was it over?
1:21:00Come on then.
1:21:17You got to let it go.
1:21:24Just no spin. Just just straight up.
1:21:33When I walk out of here today and when
1:21:35I'm typing this up, I want to be able to
1:21:37say that although there was some initial
1:21:40there was some initial confusion and
1:21:42there was some initial misinformation
1:21:44that when confronted, you did the right
1:21:47thing. You said what happened and we
1:21:49went forward from there.
1:22:01Even though I can guarantee you
1:22:02absolutely nothing and I'm not the one
1:22:04to make any bargains or deals with, I
1:22:06can tell you that if you're honest with
1:22:07me, I'll go to the prosecutor and I'll
1:22:09make sure that they know that just like
1:22:11I've done that hundreds of times in the
1:22:13past.
1:22:30Let's start out with the small part.
1:22:32Where did it happen? We just need to
1:22:34know because that's where we're going to
1:22:36have to work it.
1:22:44Was it in the apartment [snorts]
1:22:47or in the car?
1:22:50Give me a moment. Okay.
1:22:59But I only want the truth
1:23:02at this point. I'd rather I I don't want
1:23:05you to be dishonest with me.
1:23:12No lies, no half truths.
1:23:30Can I please have a moment about two
1:23:33minutes, please?
1:23:35But I'm going to sit right here with
1:23:36you.
1:23:40Are you going to be straight with me?
1:23:42See, but this Cassandra, this is you're
1:23:44getting ready to make the mistake that
1:23:45other people have made. The problem with
1:23:48you taking a moment is you're in that
1:23:50preservation mode and you're trying to
1:23:53figure out how to put the best spin on
1:23:54it. And what happens is is when you do
1:23:57that, you don't come off sincere. You
1:23:59don't come off honest. And that's all I
1:24:01want. I want the honest truth. I want
1:24:03the straight truth of what happened. I
1:24:06don't want you to try to to make things
1:24:09fit together. I don't want you to try to
1:24:11give me a story about some woman coming
1:24:13into your bedroom at 4:00 this morning.
1:24:16I just want you to be honest with me.
1:24:19And if you think too hard, you're going
1:24:21to talk yourself into telling another
1:24:22lie. And that's not where we're at now.
1:24:29You just got to tell me how this past
1:24:31week spiraled out of control.
1:24:51Help
1:25:05[snorts]
1:25:17me.
1:25:20You know you want to. So I can look at
1:25:21you and tell that you want to. What's
1:25:24the most serious thing you've been in
1:25:26trouble for?
1:25:30Tickets.
1:25:34How old are you?
1:25:37Only 22.
1:25:41What happened?
1:26:02Do I have to have my guys work the
1:26:04house? I'm I'm sorry. Work the apartment
1:26:06or work the car?
1:26:19At least give me that.
1:26:27I'll tell you the truth.
1:26:30That's all I want from you. That's all I
1:26:32wanted from you since we got here.
1:26:33Obviously, you know that
1:26:36I I think you even knew the guys were
1:26:38watching you in the alley. You were just
1:26:39hoping they didn't see everything.
1:26:43Did you think they were out there?
1:26:46>> Tell me what happened.
1:26:47>> Just tell me anyone in the alley. Oh,
1:26:50>> but you were looking in the one truck.
1:26:53>> What? You were shining the flashlight in
1:26:55the one truck or something.
1:27:00>> What happened?
1:27:25Take a deep breath and just let it go.
1:27:54the apartment or the car.
1:28:09You going to tell me what happened?
1:28:13Just let it go. Let it go.
1:28:19>> I'm going to give you the same respect I
1:28:21have from from when we first walked in
1:28:22here. I can tell that you're not a bad
1:28:24guy.
1:28:26But you got to tell me what happened.
1:28:30What day did it happen?
1:28:36This is Tuesday morning.
1:28:49Exactly. Last week,
1:28:52>> last Tuesday,
1:28:55sorry, Monday.
1:29:00A week ago.
1:29:02She's Your wife's been gone for a week.
1:29:05Good. Yes, sir.
1:29:11What? What started it? Argument.
1:29:24It hurt me a lot, you know,
1:29:29because
1:29:31her sister best friend
1:29:38He would always say things to her
1:29:42to tell her
1:29:44to convince her
1:29:46why
1:29:51why we why we should be.
1:29:55He always I felt like he always tried to
1:29:58to mess up what we had together. Was he
1:30:02hitting on her?
1:30:06It it came off as not as him hitting on
1:30:10her, but it came off as him, you know,
1:30:14just wanting to be to to to have her
1:30:20to not have her, I'm sorry, to to be
1:30:24with her.
1:30:29He would always tell her how
1:30:34not good for her. No, it's
1:30:38it's a mistake.
1:30:40Just giving her reasons why
1:30:44we shouldn't be together.
1:30:47And then
1:30:47>> what was his name?
1:30:50>> JB.
1:30:50>> Jamie.
1:30:51>> JB.
1:30:52>> JB.
1:30:53>> Yeah.
1:30:57So,
1:31:05I felt like that's all you wanted to do
1:31:09was to just mess up our marriage.
1:31:13Anytime we had an argument, she would go
1:31:17to him
1:31:19and open up to him.
1:31:22And I told her that's really
1:31:24disrespectful because you know
1:31:29it's it's it's not for for you to do
1:31:34that. It's it's not it's it's not
1:31:37respectful. It's like as if you're going
1:31:40to someone else for closure. And I don't
1:31:42do that to you. I I don't go to another
1:31:46woman for closure.
1:31:48>> You wanted to keep your business in your
1:31:50house.
1:31:50>> I keep to myself. I keep to myself.
1:31:55I just wanted the same.
1:31:57I treated her just like I wanted to be
1:31:59treated.
1:32:01Gave her attention. I gave her respect.
1:32:04So much respect. Like I showed her love.
1:32:07I showed her what it means for someone
1:32:10to really love you. You know, I I did I
1:32:14did everything that I would want to be I
1:32:18would want to have done to me.
1:32:22And she wasn't doing that.
1:32:27>> Were y'all?
1:32:28>> She was hurting. She was hurting a lot.
1:32:31>> And I don't This is the first time I'm
1:32:34actually like expressing myself because
1:32:38I hold it in.
1:32:41It's It's been going on for months and
1:32:44months and months and months. I'm happy
1:32:48with her. I'm extremely happy with her.
1:32:51But it it it's hurtful when she keeps
1:32:54going to him,
1:32:57you know, for [snorts] for that closure.
1:32:59And I don't do that. It's hurtful when
1:33:02he tries to separate us.
1:33:05>> How long have they had this thing this
1:33:07friendship going on
1:33:11>> for for an entire year?
1:33:18So I one day I I I I finally decided to
1:33:21to to just get it off my chest instead
1:33:24of keeping it in. I said, "Martin, you
1:33:26know you're hurting me, right?"
1:33:29And she looked at me and she said,
1:33:33"Why?" And I told her why.
1:33:36And then I told her what you what I just
1:33:39said.
1:33:41And then being very honest with you,
1:33:44it's what I want. That's what it's
1:33:46everything I'm saying is the honest
1:33:48truth at this point. That's all I want.
1:33:50That's it.
1:33:58So, I told her, "You're you're hurting
1:34:01me." And she asked why, and I explained
1:34:04it to her,
1:34:06and she rolled her eyes, and she, you
1:34:10know, she just disregarded what I said.
1:34:13And I said, "You don't care?" And she
1:34:16looked at me in the eye and said,
1:34:17"Honestly, I don't. I don't feel the
1:34:20same way that you feel."
1:34:22"I don't care," she said. And I asked
1:34:25her three times to make sure. So, you
1:34:29don't care? No. You don't care? No.
1:34:34I I feel bad that you know it hurts you
1:34:38that you know I I I talk about what we
1:34:42go through towards to him and then he
1:34:45gives his two cents as to why we
1:34:49shouldn't be together.
1:34:55But she said she didn't care.
1:34:58She looked at me. She said she didn't
1:35:00care how I felt.
1:35:05and
1:35:07I said, "Okay, I knew
1:35:10I knew she
1:35:13was gone.
1:35:20I was I was, you know,
1:35:23I I went to bed, you know, when pain,
1:35:28you know, just went to bed.
1:35:33and early and woke up in the middle of
1:35:35the night to go use the bathroom.
1:35:39And I looked at her sleeping and
1:35:43I was like, "You don't care."
1:35:48So,
1:35:50I went into my car,
1:35:55got the gun,
1:35:58and I shot her while she was sleeping.
1:36:04Where did you shoot her?
1:36:06>> We were sleeping in the living room
1:36:09and I shot her.
1:36:11>> What part of the body?
1:36:13>> The head.
1:36:14>> How many times?
1:36:15>> Just once.
1:36:18>> You felt bad right away?
1:36:20>> Of course. I felt really bad. Whose gun
1:36:23was it?
1:36:24>> I felt so bad.
1:36:27I didn't mean to do that.
1:36:31But I knew I did.
1:36:34And I knew if anyone found out, that's
1:36:37it. I'm done.
1:36:39>> Whose gun was it?
1:36:44I'm I went I went online. I did whatever
1:36:48I could.
1:36:51I just had it there, you know, because
1:36:54she was having a baby and I just wanted
1:36:56to have it there, you know, just in case
1:36:59if anyone if if anyone, you know, just
1:37:03wanted to protect my family.
1:37:06>> But where did you get it?
1:37:07>> So, I got it online.
1:37:10I I bought it from someone. I I I met
1:37:12him in person.
1:37:14Gave him $500 cash.
1:37:17>> Oh, you bought it locally here?
1:37:19You didn't do a say build a sale or any
1:37:21of that kind of stuff.
1:37:25>> That's that's another charge.
1:37:27>> Do you remember?
1:37:28>> Well, no, it's not. It's
1:37:30>> not to buy a gun. Do you remember what
1:37:31his name was?
1:37:33>> Yeah. Tell me his name.
1:37:35>> Okay. Did you get the bill of sale or
1:37:37did he
1:37:39>> There was no bill of sale.
1:37:40>> Oh, okay. Now, in Florida, they private
1:37:43sales don't have to do that. I don't I
1:37:46looked it up
1:37:48when um so so that was last week Monday
1:37:52night or Tuesday night.
1:37:54>> Monday morning before she was supposed
1:37:56to go to work. It was it was Sunday when
1:38:00she told me that.
1:38:02And Monday morning the middle of the
1:38:05night 3 maybe 4. Did she say anything or
1:38:09was it quick? It was quick. Made a loud
1:38:13noise.
1:38:14>> [snorts]
1:38:15>> It's scared the [ __ ] out of me. I didn't
1:38:18expect to be that loud.
1:38:21I didn't expect it to be that loud. I
1:38:23didn't expect her to be bleeding so
1:38:24much. That was the first time that you
1:38:27you shot that gun.
1:38:28>> Yeah. Okay.
1:38:29>> The first time.
1:38:30>> The first time.
1:38:33I felt so bad when I felt so bad when I
1:38:36saw her bleeding so much. You know, she
1:38:39was coughing up so much blood
1:38:43and I couldn't I I couldn't take it
1:38:48back. I couldn't take it back. It was
1:38:50done.
1:38:54>> So, I went to I went to to sleep in the
1:38:57other room.
1:39:00I couldn't look at her. I just went to
1:39:01sleep.
1:39:02>> You cover her up.
1:39:03>> Do you cover her up or leave her there?
1:39:05>> I left her there. I was I I was so upset
1:39:09with myself. I
1:39:11>> Now, what were she laying on the floor?
1:39:14>> She was laying on the bed.
1:39:15>> Oh, that little bed in the living room.
1:39:18>> Okay.
1:39:21And then when I woke up in the morning,
1:39:24I saw all the blood, tried to clean it
1:39:27up little by little,
1:39:31just clean it up and just, you know,
1:39:35take take the uh take take the take
1:39:39towel, clean it. What' you do with the
1:39:42paper towels?
1:39:43>> Fill them out. Where? [snorts]
1:39:47Trash. you know,
1:39:49>> the dumpster downstairs or the This was
1:39:52last week. It's already gone.
1:39:56What'd you do with her?
1:39:59So,
1:40:01slowly, little by little, you know, I
1:40:03cleaned up, cleaned the bed, threw my
1:40:05sheets out, threw the bed out.
1:40:08>> How'd you get the bed out?
1:40:10>> Well, I deflated it.
1:40:13>> Oh, it was an air mattress.
1:40:15I I I folded it. I threw that out. And
1:40:20then at that point, she was on the
1:40:21floor. Where'd you throw the mattress
1:40:24out?
1:40:26>> I threw it in the trash.
1:40:28>> The same dumpster there. The one by the
1:40:30stairway or the one farther down?
1:40:33>> Yeah.
1:40:34>> Which one?
1:40:35>> The stairway.
1:40:36>> Has that been That's probably been
1:40:37emptied since then, too.
1:40:39>> Say it again.
1:40:40>> Has that one been empty? The big metal
1:40:41one or the little plastic one?
1:40:45You know, like the trash bins or the big
1:40:47metal
1:40:48>> like the the the one Waste Management
1:40:50picks up.
1:40:51>> Okay. And that was the one over by the
1:40:53stairs where you were throwing that
1:40:55stuff over by your apartment.
1:40:57>> Yes, sir.
1:40:57>> Okay.
1:40:59Um
1:41:02and then they came down to her body. I
1:41:05tried so hard to get her up. I couldn't.
1:41:08She was heavy.
1:41:11She's, you know, pregnant. I
1:41:15I felt bad, but I I was I was so scared
1:41:20of the consequences as well, actually. I
1:41:23didn't I didn't I didn't want to go to
1:41:25prison. I didn't want to be
1:41:31I didn't want to go through it.
1:41:35It was a mistake.
1:41:40So, I did everything I could to try to
1:41:43get her out. Just a goal to get her out,
1:41:48you know, before before I before I took
1:41:52her out, when I finally was able to take
1:41:54her out,
1:41:55I actually even even with the um even
1:41:59with the blood, I actually kissed her on
1:42:01her forehead.
1:42:03Um before that, um because she was so
1:42:08heavy, I I tried, you know, I I tried to
1:42:11um um
1:42:15as best as I can to to do it one by one.
1:42:18Um like I was very desperate to just get
1:42:21her out, you know, because of the
1:42:23consequences. I I was very desperate.
1:42:26And
1:42:26>> I understand. I just I I you know tried
1:42:30to see if I can cut her head or cut her
1:42:32hand. Did it work?
1:42:35>> No. I couldn't finish it. It it I felt
1:42:39bad. When you when you shot her, did you
1:42:41shoot her like where? On her head?
1:42:45>> Here. Forehead. Like to the side to the
1:42:47temple?
1:42:48>> Somewhere around there. Yes.
1:42:50>> Were you able to cut her in into pieces
1:42:54at all? No, I couldn't finish it. I I
1:42:58felt really bad.
1:43:00I I started it, but I didn't finish it
1:43:03because I felt bad.
1:43:05And when when I finally was able to get
1:43:08her the way I needed to, like in the
1:43:11dumpster.
1:43:12>> How did you do that?
1:43:13>> How did I do that? So, basically, I took
1:43:16the dumpster, I saw it, and then that's
1:43:19when the idea came. I can just bring it
1:43:22upstairs. It has a wheel.
1:43:25It's big enough. I can just lay it down,
1:43:30put her in. [snorts]
1:43:32>> Did you get it all the way upstairs?
1:43:34>> Yes, sir.
1:43:35>> Okay.
1:43:36>> Yes, sir.
1:43:36>> And you did that this morning.
1:43:41>> When did you bring the dumpster
1:43:43upstairs?
1:43:43>> This morning? Yes, sir.
1:43:45>> Like 3:00 or whenever it was 4:00 or
1:43:48>> No, sir. Wait, let me think about that.
1:43:54While the police were watching you this
1:43:56morning, you were wandering around in
1:43:57the alley and moving the dumpsters
1:43:59around and all that. You did it after
1:44:01before or after you went down to
1:44:03Hollywood. When did you bring the
1:44:04dumpster upstairs?
1:44:07>> Before?
1:44:09Yeah, to be before.
1:44:11>> How did you get it back downstairs?
1:44:14>> It was so difficult. It was It was
1:44:17falling.
1:44:18I tried really hard to make sure I had a
1:44:21good grip on it. So the lid doesn't fall
1:44:23out because if the lid falls out, she
1:44:26could possibly fall and it would have
1:44:28been really bad and people would have
1:44:30seen and I was I was very desperate.
1:44:33>> Was that during the daytime or in the
1:44:35middle of the night?
1:44:36>> It was in the daytime
1:44:39because everyone was out. No one was
1:44:41there. I watched out my window to see if
1:44:44any cars were parked. Everyone was gone.
1:44:48It was empty. So, what were you throwing
1:44:50away or or moving away this morning?
1:44:55>> Um, I was just cleaning out everything
1:45:00else that could possibly be
1:45:04a link to it.
1:45:06>> Okay. I'm I don't mean I'm getting a
1:45:09little confused and I just
1:45:12What day do you think you put her in the
1:45:16trash dumpster and brought her
1:45:17downstairs? This is Tuesday morning.
1:45:20>> It had to have been um
1:45:26confusing myself as well.
1:45:29It had to have been Monday morning.
1:45:31>> Yesterday sometime.
1:45:32>> Yes. Yes.
1:45:33>> Okay.
1:45:35What else were you throwing away
1:45:38this morning?
1:45:41>> I was throwing away
1:45:43um the heavy duty truck.
1:45:47I was throwing away.
1:45:50>> Now, where did you put that?
1:45:53>> In the dumpster.
1:45:54>> The waste management dumpster over by
1:45:57the stairs.
1:45:58>> Yes, sir.
1:45:59>> Okay.
1:46:00What else?
1:46:05um
1:46:11you know any
1:46:13any um any bags that possibly had blood.
1:46:19My gloves.
1:46:20>> What did you buy now? Why did you buy
1:46:21the gloves last night?
1:46:24I bought the gloves last night so that I
1:46:26could see if I can um
1:46:30push it towards the um the other side.
1:46:36Push what?
1:46:38>> The
1:46:40um the garbage can.
1:46:43>> Oh, I see. Move it farther away.
1:46:46>> Yes, sir.
1:46:46>> And that's what you did this morning.
1:46:47You moved it down to the other side and
1:46:49brought the other one back.
1:46:50>> Yes, sir.
1:46:52Okay. Um,
1:46:58you feel any better yet getting this off
1:47:00your chest?
1:47:02>> You will. I can tell you. I mean, it's
1:47:04still terrible, but but you'll feel
1:47:06better.
1:47:07>> What's the mistake? You know,
1:47:08>> uh, well, part of the, uh, the first
1:47:12step in making things right with
1:47:14yourself
1:47:16is, um, is honesty.
1:47:23So, the text messages
1:47:26were from you sending from her phone?
1:47:29>> Yes, sir.
1:47:30>> Okay. What's her code?
1:47:34>> 0608.
1:47:36>> 0608.
1:47:38>> And that code that you gave me for your
1:47:39phone, is that really the right code?
1:47:42>> I figured it was.
1:47:50Is it her is 0608?
1:47:52>> Yes sir.
1:48:01>> The um
1:48:05and that gun that's in your in your
1:48:06bedroom is the the one that we're
1:48:08talking about. Is it really in the
1:48:09bedroom?
1:48:11>> Okay. You don't have to call me, sir. I
1:48:14appreciate it, but it's not necessary.
1:48:18Um,
1:48:28so
1:48:31I I mean I I there's a couple of small
1:48:34questions I got to ask, but and and
1:48:36there's no way to to clean them up, so
1:48:38I'll just ask. I mean, you killed her
1:48:41last
1:48:42Monday night, Tuesday morning, or Sunday
1:48:45night, Tuesday morning. So,
1:48:48>> last week,
1:48:48>> Monday morning.
1:48:50>> Monday morning.
1:48:53Where do you leave the body?
1:48:58>> The what?
1:48:59>> Where do you leave your wife's body?
1:49:02>> Just right there for Monday, Tuesday,
1:49:05Wednesday, Thursday.
1:49:06>> Yes.
1:49:07>> Do you cover it up? I mean by that point
1:49:09it's start it must be starting to
1:49:11decompose.
1:49:11>> It was smelling really bad.
1:49:13>> Okay.
1:49:14>> And decomposing.
1:49:15>> What were you doing for the smell?
1:49:18>> So what I was doing for the smell was I
1:49:22would just
1:49:24try to take out as much as possible that
1:49:27had blood. Clean up the blood around
1:49:30her.
1:49:33You know, I I use the the Clarks, the
1:49:36bleach Clarks
1:49:38to mop around her so that the smell can
1:49:42at least go away and then um to get the
1:49:45pet down as much as possible so I can I
1:49:48mean, she sat there for four or five
1:49:50days. Six days.
1:49:53>> Six days, maybe a week.
1:49:55>> What did you try to use to cut her?
1:49:58>> A knife.
1:49:59>> Kitchen knife. for is one of the ones in
1:50:01the apartment still.
1:50:03>> It's gone.
1:50:04>> You threw that away with Is that thrown
1:50:06away earlier or thrown away recently?
1:50:09>> Every every time I get a chance to get
1:50:12rid of things, I would get rid of them.
1:50:14>> Okay.
1:50:15>> Times at a time so that way I can get as
1:50:18much done as possible.
1:50:20>> Right.
1:50:21I've um
1:50:24was that really Do you think that she
1:50:26was being unfaithful? Do I think she was
1:50:28>> physically unfaithful?
1:50:29>> No, I do I do feel she was being
1:50:32physically faithful.
1:50:33>> Emotionally, she was being unfaithful.
1:50:36>> Yeah.
1:50:36>> Was that really the reason that you just
1:50:39you just snapped?
1:50:40>> Honestly, yes, sir. Yes. Oh, sorry. Yes.
1:50:43Honestly, I'm being very honest right
1:50:45now.
1:50:45>> I I I can look at you and tell that you
1:50:47are.
1:50:49>> Um, you know, I
1:50:51>> One other thing I I you know, you killed
1:50:54your son.
1:50:55>> I know. Anything
1:51:04else that you want to tell me that you
1:51:05want to I mean as far as what happened
1:51:08that I haven't asked you that
1:51:11that you want to explain? I mean you're
1:51:17I told you when we've been sitting here
1:51:19for the past hour
1:51:21that I wanted to get your side of the
1:51:22story. Uh and I was sincere with that. I
1:51:25mean, that's why I'm sitting here. I
1:51:27could we could have just booked you
1:51:28through
1:51:30and let that be that. But I wanted to
1:51:33give you the chance to uh to let me see
1:51:37the emotion, to let me see the remorse,
1:51:39to let me see what happened. And I can
1:51:40see that. I can look at you. I mean,
1:51:42you're barely able to keep from bursting
1:51:44into tears again. So, is there anything
1:51:46else that I haven't asked you that you
1:51:49want to get off now as well?
1:51:57I was uh I was responsible for
1:52:01her father. I knew that. As a matter of
1:52:05fact, I'm going to um and as long as
1:52:07we're doing this all at one time. Was he
1:52:09shot, too?
1:52:11>> Yes, sir. Okay. Um the Hollywood guys
1:52:14are waiting out here. The one guy is.
1:52:16And I'm going to ask him to come in and
1:52:18talk to you, and we'll just get all this
1:52:20[ __ ] out of the way at one time.
1:52:23You good with that?
1:52:27I mean, we might as well just go with it
1:52:28and get it out now. There's no sense you
1:52:30having to come back to this.
1:52:34>> How many times did you shoot him?
1:52:38>> Just once.
1:52:45>> Did uh I don't want to get
1:52:59Uh yeah, if if he's out there, bring him
1:53:01bring him on back here and let him uh um
1:53:05talk to Cassandrich. He's he's being
1:53:07pretty remorseful.
1:53:09All right.
1:53:10>> All right.
1:53:12>> All right.
1:53:15I can't imagine.
1:53:18This must have been tearing you up
1:53:20inside for the past couple days. Of
1:53:22>> course,
1:53:24it was lonely.
1:53:26>> Are you a religious guy?
1:53:27>> I I'm Catholic.
1:53:32>> I know. Sounds weird, right?
1:53:36>> No, it doesn't. And I'm telling you,
1:53:37I've I've been on this side of the chair
1:53:39for for many years now. And um I will
1:53:42say you you seem to be one of the most
1:53:44remorseful
1:53:46uh
1:53:47>> you you spoke with him. I don't know
1:53:48what the
1:53:50>> nuts, but uh Cassandrich is uh
1:53:55is being pretty straight um coming
1:53:58forward. We talked about um about his
1:54:01wife. Uh are you going to be straight
1:54:03with the detective and get this all out
1:54:06of the way now? Okay, sir.
1:54:09Um, I'm going to let you two talk.
1:54:12There's no reason for me to sit here. I
1:54:14will come back and see you shortly if
1:54:15you don't mind.
1:54:16>> You want anything else?
1:54:20>> All right. I'm going to grab you some
1:54:21more paper towels. So,
1:54:23>> okay.
1:54:23>> All right.
1:54:28Ser,
1:54:35right?
1:54:37And I guess we're at the point of
1:54:42getting this off your chest, make you
1:54:44feel actually one way to heal feel
1:54:47better was
1:54:49in the long term. So what what happened,
1:54:52Mr. Bernard Roosevelt? Right.
1:54:55What what happened?
1:54:59>> I was responsible.
1:55:01>> You were okay.
1:55:04have.
1:55:07>> So basically um
1:55:15>> thank you.
1:55:15>> Yeah.
1:55:17>> So basically um
1:55:21um
1:55:23you know I had I had it I had the gun
1:55:26prepared. Okay.
1:55:27>> On the couch
1:55:29>> in the house.
1:55:30>> Yes sir. when you went over there on
1:55:33Saturday.
1:55:34>> Yes, sir.
1:55:35>> 2:00ish, if I remember correctly.
1:55:38>> Yes, sir.
1:55:39>> On the 9th.
1:55:41>> Yes, sir.
1:55:41>> Okay. How did you have the gun prepared
1:55:44in the on the couch? Like, was it on you
1:55:47or was it on the couch itself?
1:55:50>> It was on the couch itself.
1:55:53Um,
1:55:56the the reason I I did that is because
1:56:01I I made a mistake, you know, with with
1:56:04with my wife and, you know, I wanted I
1:56:08wanted to I was really desperate. I
1:56:11wanted to really not be, you know, in
1:56:14this in this consequence.
1:56:17So, you know, um
1:56:21I I was I sat there and I and I tried to
1:56:24think of how how this can be presented.
1:56:30Um,
1:56:32so I got the idea uh because I knew
1:56:37um that
1:56:40if he came up missing,
1:56:44not came up missing, like came up
1:56:46deceased,
1:56:47>> right,
1:56:48>> by another deceased person, it it
1:56:51wouldn't it would cancel each other out
1:56:54and you know, no one's responsible.
1:56:57>> Okay. Um, that's I mean I was being very
1:57:01immature at that was that's that's what
1:57:04I was
1:57:07like thinking so that way I
1:57:09>> So is is that why you actually went over
1:57:11to the house on Saturday?
1:57:14>> Is that why I went over to the house?
1:57:16>> Correct. Because you worked out this you
1:57:18orchestrated this plan, right? If one
1:57:22deceased person killed one deceased
1:57:24person, they canceled each other out.
1:57:27All correct, right?
1:57:28>> Yes.
1:57:30>> I don't want to put words of mouth. I
1:57:31want to just make sure I understand.
1:57:34Okay. Um, so that's the plane that came
1:57:37up I guess during the week before, you
1:57:41know, since that Monday to that
1:57:43Saturday.
1:57:46Okay.
1:57:48So, what what I mean, how were you
1:57:51thinking about facil facilitating that?
1:57:54So, did you shoot him?
1:57:56>> Yes, sir.
1:57:57>> Okay.
1:57:57>> Where did you shoot?
1:58:00>> I believe it landed on his neck.
1:58:03>> On his neck,
1:58:04>> I believe. So,
1:58:05>> like in the side here or straight in?
1:58:07>> I believe it was straight in.
1:58:08>> Okay. Like
1:58:08>> that's how it looked
1:58:09>> like that.
1:58:10>> That's how it looked.
1:58:11>> One time?
1:58:12>> Only once? No, sorry. Twice.
1:58:15>> Twice.
1:58:16>> I'm sorry. Twice. Once on the neck and
1:58:19on the back. And the reason I did that
1:58:22was because
1:58:24on the neck um
1:58:28on the neck it, you know, it it went
1:58:30off. Um and then
1:58:34I got I I saw him still moving and I I
1:58:37panicked
1:58:38and I I did it again
1:58:41>> in the back like upper back, lower back.
1:58:44>> I don't know. I don't know. I think
1:58:46maybe the middle.
1:58:48>> Okay.
1:58:56Where did you do this in the house?
1:59:00>> Martine's old room.
1:59:02>> Okay.
1:59:04So, if you're in the you have the
1:59:06feeling room there. So, you come in the
1:59:08front door. I know you guys use the back
1:59:10door. Okay. Since you use the back door,
1:59:12you come through the kitchen. So, you
1:59:13already come to that back part of the
1:59:15house. So, you get to the kitchen, make
1:59:16a left. If you go straight, you go
1:59:19directly into Martin's room. If you go
1:59:21left, there's a bathroom. If you go
1:59:22right, you go into Roosevelt and his
1:59:25wife's right. Okay. So, the one that had
1:59:28very little furniture, did you walk up
1:59:31behind him and do this?
1:59:34>> I I didn't have the guts to do it. I
1:59:38knew this was something that I would
1:59:41have to do if I wanted to get myself out
1:59:44of the situation.
1:59:46Um, and every opportunity that I knew
1:59:50I'd gotten to to do it,
1:59:54my conscious
1:59:56it basically it it I basically, you
1:59:59know, panicked
2:00:02and just didn't do it.
2:00:04>> Look, you're a human.
2:00:05>> Yeah, I I'm I'm not that type of person
2:00:08to do something like that. Some people
2:00:11can just walk up to someone and just
2:00:14shoot. there's,
2:00:17you know, no emotion about it, but I
2:00:20just didn't have the guts to do it. And
2:00:25I remember I I put it back down
2:00:27underneath the pillow
2:00:29>> on a couch.
2:00:30>> On a couch. On a couch.
2:00:32>> I sat there, took a deep breath, and I
2:00:35said, "This is something I know you
2:00:38don't want to do this, but this is
2:00:39something that has to be done." you
2:00:42know, it's it's selfish, but you know,
2:00:44it was some that that's how I was
2:00:45thinking. It's something that has to be
2:00:47done
2:00:49if if I don't want to be,
2:00:53you know, in prison from our team.
2:00:57So, I said just going to count to three.
2:01:02So, whenever I I said whenever there's
2:01:05an opportunity, just count to three and
2:01:07just do it.
2:01:09And then the opportunity came and my
2:01:11heart saw a race and I just said one,
2:01:14two, three. And then I just I did it and
2:01:20all you see is he falls
2:01:22and I like my my heart was racing and
2:01:26then he start his his he's he's still
2:01:28breathing
2:01:31and I panicked and I just did it again
2:01:34and then that was that was it. I counted
2:01:36to three. One, two, three. And I did it
2:01:40again on his back.
2:01:42>> So three times.
2:01:43>> Twice.
2:01:43>> Okay. Twice. Did he
2:01:45>> One here and one on the back?
2:01:47>> Okay. Did he Did he stop moving after
2:01:49the second time?
2:01:50>> Yes, sir.
2:01:50>> Did you hear his breathing any longer?
2:01:52>> No, sir.
2:01:53>> And his wife was in the house, right?
2:01:56>> In the porch.
2:01:57>> In the porch. In the the bathroom. You
2:01:59guys call that that first room that you
2:02:02get into, I guess, the porch, right?
2:02:04It's getting closed, though.
2:02:05>> Yeah.
2:02:07How did you get him from where you're
2:02:11sitting on the couch into the bedroom?
2:02:13>> He was always back and forth, always,
2:02:15you know, back and forth in the house.
2:02:17>> Okay.
2:02:18>> So, you know, I I I can't I don't have
2:02:21the guts to do this in front of
2:02:23someone's face. Just, you know, just
2:02:26look at them and just do it. I I don't
2:02:28have the the guts to do that. I don't
2:02:31have the guts to do it while they know I
2:02:34have it in my possession.
2:02:36the only the the most comfortable way
2:02:39and it wasn't I I still didn't have the
2:02:41guts to do it, but the most comfortable
2:02:43way that I could have done something is
2:02:45if something like that is if their back
2:02:47was turned.
2:02:48>> Mhm.
2:02:49>> And
2:02:51that's that's how I've
2:02:52>> How far in the room was he?
2:02:56>> Halfway.
2:02:57>> Halfway into the room. Okay.
2:02:59>> So, you walked He was in halfway of the
2:03:00room. You walked in half obviously
2:03:03halfway. Did you put the gun press it
2:03:05against him or just close?
2:03:06>> No, I just I just took it one, two,
2:03:10three, and then just did it.
2:03:12>> Okay.
2:03:14>> And then um Were you wearing gloves?
2:03:17>> Yes, sir.
2:03:19>> Blue.
2:03:20>> Black.
2:03:21>> Black. Latex or cloth?
2:03:23>> Latex.
2:03:24>> Okay.
2:03:26>> Did you after you shot them, obviously,
2:03:29did you knew that they were going
2:03:31somewhere, right?
2:03:32Yes, sir.
2:03:35>> What did you do then? How did you
2:03:37conceal him from the rest of the family?
2:03:40>> So, basically, I closed the door and I
2:03:43locked it temporarily. Took the keys,
2:03:47threw it away.
2:03:49I
2:03:50>> took the keys for that particular
2:03:51bedroom and threw it away.
2:03:52>> Yes.
2:03:53>> Okay.
2:03:54And um when they left,
2:03:57I took his remains. I put it in a
2:04:03dumpster.
2:04:04>> You were talking a dumpster. I a garbage
2:04:07can.
2:04:07>> Yes.
2:04:07>> Right. With the wheels like the city
2:04:09garbage cans.
2:04:10>> Yes, sir.
2:04:11>> Where did you get that from?
2:04:13>> They're a garbage can.
2:04:14>> The one in the front or one in the back?
2:04:16>> The front.
2:04:17>> Okay.
2:04:18So the the reason I thought of that is
2:04:20because
2:04:22there's there wasn't I mean I I I
2:04:25panicked. There was nothing else that
2:04:28you know I could use that would wouldn't
2:04:32show what's what's being carried. Um and
2:04:37you know it was it was the only thing I
2:04:39can think of at the moment. It's big
2:04:43size and it covers.
2:04:44>> Well, what time did the family leave
2:04:46approximately?
2:04:48>> I don't know. I don't remember.
2:04:50>> Oh, it had to be four. Yeah.
2:04:52>> Okay. What time did you How long did it
2:04:55take you to remove him?
2:04:59>> Took hours.
2:05:00>> Hours.
2:05:01>> Okay. So, did you take the garbage to
2:05:03the front of the house or the back of
2:05:04the house?
2:05:05>> The front.
2:05:06>> You took it to the front of the house.
2:05:08Did you bring it inside?
2:05:09>> Did I bring
2:05:10>> the barrel inside? Yes.
2:05:12>> Is it through the front door?
2:05:14>> Oh, no. I brought it I'm sorry. I'm I'm
2:05:16confusing myself. I brought it
2:05:19towards the back to bring it to the
2:05:21house and then um I remember taking the
2:05:27trash out from the front.
2:05:31>> Okay. So, you brought the barrel around
2:05:33back. Did Were you able to fit that
2:05:36barrel inside the house?
2:05:37>> Yes, sir.
2:05:38>> Okay. So you went into the bedroom and
2:05:40you placed him, if I if I understood you
2:05:43correctly, into that barrel.
2:05:45>> Yes.
2:05:46>> And then what did you do from there?
2:05:50>> So I I started uh you know cleaning up
2:05:54the blood,
2:05:57put it, you know, in the bag and just
2:06:00cleaned little by little.
2:06:04Um, I took the mop. I mopped it
2:06:07thoroughly.
2:06:09I washed out the mop.
2:06:11I, you know, I I took out the trash.
2:06:16Um,
2:06:19and, um, before I left, I did a another
2:06:25look around the house
2:06:27to see if if anything else was out of
2:06:31the ordinary.
2:06:33And then I left.
2:06:35>> Okay. Did you actually Did you take that
2:06:39that battery for the ZT phone?
2:06:42>> Did I take the battery?
2:06:43>> Yeah.
2:06:43>> Yes, sir.
2:06:44>> You did? Did you delete his phone?
2:06:47>> No, not delete the phone. I just took
2:06:48the battery.
2:06:49>> That's it.
2:06:50>> What was the reasoning for taking the
2:06:52battery?
2:06:54The reasoning for taking the battery was
2:06:59basically I didn't want anyone to know I
2:07:02was here.
2:07:04So
2:07:09>> so you know
2:07:12I had to start with that and
2:07:17but did you have communications? Did he
2:07:19know you were coming Saturdays or did
2:07:21you just stop by?
2:07:24Which one was it?
2:07:25>> I stopped by.
2:07:25>> Okay.
2:07:27All right. Did when you were cleaning
2:07:29the room that took hours, was there a
2:07:32lot of blood?
2:07:33>> Yes.
2:07:33>> Was it on the walls?
2:07:35>> No.
2:07:35>> Okay. Only the floor?
2:07:37>> Yes.
2:07:38>> How about the mattress?
2:07:39>> Yes.
2:07:41>> Was the the bed
2:07:44the box spring and the mattress on the
2:07:47actual bed frame?
2:07:49>> No. Were they up against the
2:07:52>> Yes.
2:07:52>> standing up against the wall then?
2:07:54>> Yes.
2:07:55>> Okay.
2:07:57Did you uh use the guy the excuse of
2:08:01picking up clothing for your wife as the
2:08:05reason to come over?
2:08:07>> No.
2:08:08>> No.
2:08:08>> I just showed up.
2:08:09>> You just showed up. That's But you knew
2:08:11that the baby shower was that day or
2:08:13whatever. So you knew they'd be home at
2:08:16that time.
2:08:17>> Yes.
2:08:18When you took the barrel out, where did
2:08:21you go with the barrel
2:08:25>> to the front? Um, and I just,
2:08:29you know, put the barrel
2:08:33on the grass
2:08:35and I just left it in front of someone's
2:08:39home and
2:08:41that was it.
2:08:43>> Where where did you park your car? Where
2:08:46did I park my car?
2:08:48>> Um the
2:08:50um by the 29th Avenue
2:08:54>> at in the field. What do you call it?
2:08:57Field where the field is. There's a
2:08:58tree.
2:09:00>> Um yeah, somewhere around there.
2:09:09See if I can show you because
2:09:16Are you asking me all these questions so
2:09:18you can use it against me?
2:09:20>> I'm actually asking you all these
2:09:22questions because all I want is the
2:09:25truth.
2:09:27>> So use it against me.
2:09:28>> Well, the truth is
2:09:31what is Let's Let's First of all,
2:09:35this is going to eat away at you for the
2:09:37rest of your life. Don't you get it off
2:09:39your chest? Number two is do you think
2:09:41that
2:09:43your wife's mother
2:09:45>> say it again?
2:09:45>> Your wife's mother,
2:09:48>> the thing is my wife's mother.
2:09:50>> No, your wife's mother.
2:09:51>> Okay.
2:09:52>> Did you think about the traumatic
2:09:55event that's really happened to her?
2:09:57Well, at least that she's aware of in
2:10:00the last 24 hours.
2:10:04Imagine the pain that she's suffering.
2:10:07I mean, you told me yourself what a nice
2:10:09lady she was. She was good. She cooked
2:10:12you food. I mean, of course, in-laws, if
2:10:16you will, you always going to have some
2:10:18kind of snafu, right? Just cuz life is
2:10:21life.
2:10:23But do you think she deserves to go
2:10:26through all that?
2:10:31>> This is their house. That's 29th Avenue,
2:10:33Defield
2:10:35right here. That's the tree.
2:10:40I can't really tell to be honest with
2:10:42you.
2:10:42>> Okay. But you went south on Ton Avenue.
2:10:45>> Yes.
2:10:45>> To a grassy area.
2:10:47>> Was your car parked in that grassy area?
2:10:49>> Yes.
2:10:49>> Okay. Did you put the trash can in that
2:10:52same lot
2:10:55that the grassy area was that your car
2:10:57was parked in?
2:10:59>> Um, yes.
2:11:00>> Okay. Did you take him out of the trash
2:11:03can at that point?
2:11:04>> Yes. Where did you leave him?
2:11:06>> By the grass.
2:11:08>> Like high grass, like bushes or like
2:11:10grass? Okay. Close to a fence or far
2:11:13from the fence.
2:11:15>> Um I can't remember to be honest with
2:11:18you.
2:11:18>> Okay.
2:11:19>> I believe close.
2:11:21>> Okay. So, was in the back of the It was
2:11:23in the back of the lot or was in the
2:11:25front of the lot.
2:11:27>> Closest to the road or furthest from the
2:11:29road?
2:11:29>> Furthest from the road. Okay.
2:11:33I don't know.
2:11:35So you kind of Oh, what' you do at the
2:11:37garbage can after that? That's a big
2:11:41>> I just left it in front of someone's
2:11:42house.
2:11:44>> Oh, okay.
2:11:46>> Did Was it their It was not their
2:11:48garbage can though. You just left it
2:11:51>> close by.
2:11:53>> Okay. To there.
2:11:58>> All right. Did um you happen to Was that
2:12:02it? Did you just leave him there and
2:12:03that's it for for that day?
2:12:05Did you return another day? Do you know
2:12:09approximately time you returned?
2:12:13>> Um maybe 4:00 a.m.
2:12:15>> 4:00 a.m. That would have been on what
2:12:17day. Do you remember? So Saturday the
2:12:21the 9th, I guess, was the date to it.
2:12:23>> I think it was Sunday.
2:12:25>> Sunday. Okay. And what did you do then?
2:12:28And why did you return?
2:12:31um
2:12:32to try to get rid of the remains.
2:12:36>> Okay.
2:12:38Were did you have any concerns that he
2:12:40may still be alive?
2:12:42>> Did I have concerns?
2:12:43>> Yes.
2:12:44>> I did just didn't I just wanted to make
2:12:47sure that, you know, I wouldn't have
2:12:49gotten in trouble.
2:12:50>> Okay.
2:12:50>> It was, you know, it was something that
2:12:54I was thinking about.
2:12:57Um, I was just really concerned.
2:13:04>> All right. So, what did you do?
2:13:07>> I tried to uh turn it into ashes.
2:13:11>> Turn his remains into a ashes. And did
2:13:15you use some kind of substance for that?
2:13:18>> Okay.
2:13:18>> Gasoline and u matches.
2:13:21>> Gasoline matches. Did you pour gasoline
2:13:24out?
2:13:25>> Yes, sir.
2:13:25>> Okay. Then the matches, did you throw
2:13:28them out? I guess cuz you don't want to
2:13:29stand that close.
2:13:30>> Yes, sir.
2:13:31>> And they light. Did they ignite?
2:13:33>> Yes, sir.
2:13:34>> Okay.
2:13:35>> Yeah. What car did you drive that day?
2:13:37>> The same one.
2:13:38>> Your white 2015 Charge, right?
2:13:43>> Do you remember how you left?
2:13:45>> The same way I left.
2:13:47>> Did you Did you leave going south or
2:13:48north on 29 Avenue?
2:13:51>> Uh, south.
2:13:52>> Okay. You left south. Okay.
2:13:56So, I'm pretty much I'm done. I mean, I
2:14:00really do appreciate your candidate,
2:14:01your honesty, and obviously
2:14:05it'll be documented in my report report
2:14:08that you're cooperating with me
2:14:10completely as well. I do appreciate it.
2:14:14Um, how long do you think, really, this
2:14:18is my final question. How long do you
2:14:20think that you were thinking about this
2:14:23planned uh one canceling out the other?
2:14:27>> The same day.
2:14:29>> So it just came to you on that Saturday?
2:14:32>> Yes, sir.
2:14:32>> And that's it. That was all the plane
2:14:34was done that one day.
2:14:35>> Yes, sir. I just thought of it
2:14:40and
2:14:43just, you know, I thought of it the same
2:14:46day and I said,
2:14:50I have to try to get myself out of this.
2:14:54>> Okay.
2:14:57>> The text messages that your wife is
2:15:00receiving from her family members, I
2:15:03think mostly Joanne, right? They seem to
2:15:05be the closest of them. Am I correct
2:15:08with that?
2:15:09>> Yes.
2:15:09>> Were you answering those?
2:15:11>> Yes, sir.
2:15:11>> Yes. Okay. And you've had her phone in
2:15:14your possession since I guess she she
2:15:18passed away.
2:15:19>> Yes.
2:15:20>> And what kind of gun is this that we're
2:15:22talking about?
2:15:23>> A revolver.
2:15:24>> Okay. What color is it?
2:15:26>> Black.
2:15:27>> Black. You know what caliber it is?
2:15:32>> Not that I know of. Okay. Long barrel,
2:15:35short barrel.
2:15:37>> I don't even know what that means.
2:15:38>> Barrel. Long or short?
2:15:41>> Think it's short?
2:15:45>> Do you have anything else that you can
2:15:47remember that we haven't discussed?
2:15:51>> No.
2:15:53>> All right. Very good. Do you mean
2:15:55anything?
2:15:59>> Second chance.
2:16:02you know that for that's not in our
2:16:04power but that'll be taken in account
2:16:08later.
2:16:13All right. Um you give us drinks and all
2:16:16that stuff.
2:16:19All right.
2:16:22I'm going to go get the other detective.
2:16:24He wanted to see you and talk to you
2:16:25before. Okay.
2:16:28All right. So see then I'll get him for
2:16:31you. All right.
2:16:33>> Can I ask you something?
2:16:34>> Yes.
2:16:35>> Why Why did you um Why did you ask me
2:16:38these questions? Did you already know?
2:16:41And you were just making sure I was
2:16:42being honest.
2:16:44>> Most of them.
2:16:46>> Most of it. You already knew.
2:16:48>> Yes.
2:16:49>> How did you know?
2:16:51>> Remember the conversation we had at our
2:16:53station
2:16:55that there's eyes everywhere? That's how
2:16:57it
2:17:04That's why
2:17:07it's a lot better to come clean. First
2:17:10of all, it does honestly relieve you and
2:17:16abate some of that yourself. But
2:17:20secondly, now you're cooperating instead
2:17:22of not being cooperative. And we are
2:17:24>> you're cooperating as opposed to not
2:17:26being cooperative,
2:17:28>> which You clearly are.
2:17:31Okay. But we were we already knew.
2:17:35>> So why didn't you take me into custody
2:17:37that time?
2:17:40>> Because weren't ready.
2:17:44>> As in what do you mean?
2:17:46>> We weren't ready. We just needed a
2:17:48couple more pieces of the puzzle. We
2:17:50send more information.
2:17:52That's all. That's the only reason.
2:17:58All right, next one.
2:18:57need anything else?
2:19:00One one last question. One thing that I
2:19:02I I don't what the hell that is.
2:19:07I I understand that
2:19:10you had she was in the apartment and you
2:19:14brought the dumpster upstairs or the the
2:19:16trash bin upstairs, the hand truck. What
2:19:19did how did that factor in at all?
2:19:22>> That was just another way another way I
2:19:25would think to put it for her.
2:19:28>> How did that get blood on her? Did you
2:19:31>> trying to move her?
2:19:32>> Oh, you were going to use that initially
2:19:34to get How come you didn't do that?
2:19:38>> It It wouldn't The way it was like this,
2:19:43it wouldn't fit the door with the stairs
2:19:46down.
2:19:47>> Oh, I see.
2:19:48Okay.
2:19:51Sure. You don't want anything else?
2:19:54>> Um, I guess some more cookies and a
2:19:56drink.
2:19:57>> Okay. Are these done?
2:20:00You still got a whole bag of cookies
2:20:02there. You want another soda?
2:20:06>> All right.
2:20:07>> Per diet or regular?
2:20:09>> What happens next?
2:20:10>> Um, I'll tell you. Let me grab my soda
2:20:12or let me grab your soda and I'll give
2:20:14you a rundown of where we're at and what
2:20:16the next step is. You want soda? You
2:20:18want ginger ale? You want
2:20:21um
2:20:23um I guess ginger ale. All right.
2:20:36Okay. From um
2:20:41I got to get that fixed. Um, we've got
2:20:44some paperwork to take care of within
2:20:47the next half an hour or so. We'll have
2:20:50um the forensics guy come in and uh take
2:20:53your photographs, do a DNA oral swap.
2:20:57He's probably going to take your
2:20:58clothes, change up into another set of
2:21:01clothes.
2:21:03Um,
2:21:04you go from here looking. I'm not even
2:21:07sure. Uh my partner's dealing with the
2:21:10prosecutor now trying to figure out what
2:21:12the uh what initial charge we're going
2:21:14to use.
2:21:16Um
2:21:18I mean it's going to be a long road for
2:21:20you, but the thing that's going to get
2:21:23you through it is uh is sincerity and
2:21:25honesty.
2:21:27You you [ __ ] up, so just deal with it
2:21:30um
2:21:32as most upfront as most uh directly as
2:21:35you can.
2:21:37And hopefully hopefully there's a light
2:21:39at the end of the tunnel for you. I
2:21:42don't think you're I I could tell by
2:21:44sitting down here with you. You're uh
2:21:48you're a pretty well well balanced guy.
2:21:53I'm sorry it just happened to you, to
2:21:54your family, to them, to
2:21:59I don't know
2:22:02any any questions from me or
2:22:08I'll be back to see you before you
2:22:10leave. So, if you think of anything,
2:22:11just hold on to it.
2:22:13>> So, is this the part I'm going to
2:22:14prison?
2:22:15>> No. No. You go for First of all, you're
2:22:18uh Nobody goes to prison. you'll go
2:22:20you'll go to jail for a while.
2:22:22>> Um then you'll get a uh an attorney
2:22:25who's going to help you try to deal with
2:22:27this. Um from there,
2:22:31a lot of that is up to is up to you as
2:22:34far as what route, what direction, how
2:22:37easy it is, what the charges are,
2:22:39whether you work out a plea, whether you
2:22:41decide that you want to fight it. I
2:22:42mean, that's all up that's all stuff
2:22:43that'll get decided down the road.
2:22:46Um,
2:22:48but it, like I said, it's going to be
2:22:50it's going to be a little bit of a
2:22:51journey.
2:23:00All right. I'll see you I'll see you
2:23:02shortly here.
2:23:16Sandress,
2:23:17the um the forensics woman is here.
2:23:20She's going to snap your photograph.
2:23:22She's going to do DNA swabs on the
2:23:24inside of your mouth. She's going to
2:23:26swab your fingers. She's going to give
2:23:28you a blue like plastic suit to put on.
2:23:31You're going to have to take off all
2:23:33those clothes and put them in a paper
2:23:34bag. Um and then they'll go forward from
2:23:37that. And and this drift, try not to get
2:23:39drift on. It's very annoying. Oh, okay.
2:23:42>> This is investigator Stacy.
2:23:44>> Hello.
2:23:45>> Take care of you.
2:23:50>> Need anything else for now? Are you
2:23:52still okay?
2:23:53>> Still okay. Thank you. All right.
2:23:55>> I'll be back with you shortly.
2:24:00>> Okay. Do me a favor and stand up for me
2:24:02carefully. Don't trip on your shackle
2:24:06there.
2:24:08I'm just going to take some overall
2:24:09photos of you. See if you can step out
2:24:11here. Let me put your chair for you. Oh,
2:24:14turn down here. All right. Just turn
2:24:17towards me, please. As best you can,
2:24:32then turn around and face the wall for
2:24:34me.
2:24:44No, keep stay over that way.
2:24:55She's getting me hurt.
2:25:32Turn your body face the wall
2:26:07Okay, turn back and face me again.
2:26:17And then hold your hands out for me.
2:26:23Down a little bit.
2:26:44and flip them over.
2:27:02Open. It's not going to hurt. Just rub
2:27:05it on the inside of your cheek.
2:27:20And then
2:27:25let me see your right hand, please.
2:27:55And then I'm going to do the same on
2:27:56your left.
2:28:18Okay.
2:28:25Okay.
2:28:36Now, what I'm going to do is I'm going
2:28:38to put bags out.
2:28:44>> Mark, is this you?
2:28:46>> No.
2:28:46>> In here.
2:28:48>> You okay? I'm going to take his clothes,
2:28:50but I need his um shack line done so we
2:28:52can take his clothes off.
2:28:56I'm going to put bags out here and I
2:28:58want you to put each item of clothing in
2:29:00a different bag. Okay? So, your jacket
2:29:03or your pants, your shoes, okay?
2:29:12And anything you have. And then you can
2:29:13put this on so that you have something
2:29:15to wear and you won't get cold in here.
2:29:19I don't know how much what you're
2:29:21wearing. If you have underwear on, those
2:29:23can stay on. Hi.
2:29:25>> I don't know how many bags you need, but
2:29:27there's five. So, one item of clothing
2:29:28in each bag. All right.
2:30:55Oh, it's not working.
2:32:34It take those off the sun.
2:32:5333 station
2:33:06right now.
2:33:32talking to
2:33:35slip into it.
2:33:45They're advising an employee
2:33:47represented
2:33:59race.
2:34:10want to be in the uniform 94 97.
2:34:33Go ahead.
2:34:36>> Do you have a partner down there?
2:34:41>> Yeah.
2:34:51Lastly, lastly,
2:34:56everybody
2:35:28She doesn't need your shoes.
2:36:03Yeah, they're not.
2:36:05>> Oh,
2:36:06>> yeah.
2:36:07>> Oh, just you can rip it. It's just
2:36:08paper.
2:36:09>> Is it?
2:36:09>> Yeah, it's just paper. Should I
2:36:11>> You should be able to like poke a hole
2:36:14in it.
2:36:17or his shoes.
2:36:26So, all he had on is the hoodie and the
2:36:28pants.
2:36:28>> Yes, sir.
2:36:29>> Okay.
2:36:34>> That too tight or good?
2:36:37>> Okay. Let me take it off in a minute.
2:36:40>> Let me know. He's going to come in.
2:36:56Yeah, downstairs.
2:36:58>> Oh, that's good.
2:37:00That's [snorts] safe.
2:37:04>> All right, man. Let's go.
2:37:11Water leaking out of a electric light
2:37:14fixture. Not good.
2:37:33Sit back down. Do you have a key?
2:37:39>> You can borrow your hand.
2:37:43You
2:37:43>> got a new car. So, you have that fob.
2:37:46So, I took it off of uh my regular keys.
2:37:49I took it off.
2:38:03[ __ ] Just water splashed up in your
2:38:06face.
2:38:09Water. Yeah. There you go. That
2:38:21Following the [music] interrogation,
2:38:23Cassandra Splancc was charged with three
2:38:25counts of first-degree murder for the
2:38:27deaths of his wife, Martin Bernard,
2:38:29their unborn [music] child, and his
2:38:31father-in-law, Roosevelt Bernard. He
2:38:34also faced two counts of abuse of a dead
2:38:36human body. During [music] questioning,
2:38:38Blancc admitted to shooting Martine
2:38:40because he felt she had disrespected
2:38:42him. He also acknowledged shooting
2:38:44Roosevelt from behind, explaining
2:38:46[music] that he could not bring himself
2:38:48to look his father-in-law in the eyes.
2:38:50Investigators [music] determined that
2:38:52Blancc had attempted to conceal both
2:38:54murders, keeping Martine's remains
2:38:56inside their apartment for more than
2:38:58[music] a week and setting Roosevelt's
2:39:00body on fire in a nearby field. The case
2:39:02remained unresolved in court for over
2:39:04[music] 5 years. With the possibility of
2:39:07the death penalty looming, Blancc
2:39:09eventually reached a plea agreement
2:39:10[music] supported by the victim's
2:39:12surviving family members. On September
2:39:156th, 2023, Blancc pleaded guilty [music]
2:39:18and was sentenced to three consecutive
2:39:20life terms without the possibility of
2:39:22parole along with two additional 15-year
2:39:24sentences for abusing the victim's
2:39:27[music] remains.
2:39:28During the sentencing hearing, Blancc
2:39:30offered an apology to the family.
2:39:32[music]
2:39:33But Roosevelt Bernard Jr., who had lost
2:39:35both his father and sister, dismissed
2:39:37the apology, stating that it could never
2:39:39change what Blancc had done. If you
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