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0:00On November 28th, 2016, a chilling 911
0:03call was placed from an abandoned
0:04building in Montreal. On the other end
0:06of the line was Cameron Rogers, a
0:0922-year-old man who calmly told
0:11dispatchers that he had killed his
0:12adoptive parents.
0:17Not online.
0:19Uh, hello. Hello. Um, I would like to
0:24confess to a murder. Okay. So, where are
0:28you? I actually um um um I'm on a street
0:36um um in Montreal.
0:40Um um I don't know where that street is.
0:43Well, you need to know if you want me to
0:45tell somebody. Yeah, that's true. That's
0:48true. Um well uh uh I'm near a parking
0:53garage. So you need to be more specific.
0:56I need either address or intersection.
0:58I'm going to find the street name. Oh,
1:01an uh Oh, and an address. Oh, that might
1:04work. Um Um How Oh, um
1:101731
1:12Mikado. Does that work? What's the name
1:15of this thing? Mikado. How do you spell
1:18it?
1:20Um M I K A V O. It doesn't exist, sir.
1:28Oh, well, I just read a sign on a on a
1:31house. Um, I'm going to go up to the the
1:35the corner of the street to see the
1:37street name. Mhm. Okay. And uh who who
1:41did you kill? Uh my mom and dad. Okay.
1:46Where do they where do they live? They
1:49live in Ottawa. They live in Ottawa.
1:51Yes, sir.
1:54Okay. Do you have an address?
1:581614. That's how you spell your name. Uh
2:021614 and then a T E L D O O R N.
2:11Okay. Uh
2:21hey, what's your name? My name is
2:23Cameron. Cameron. Cameron Rogers. How
2:26old are you? I'm 20 22. 22.
2:32Oh, here here's the street. I'm on Mhm.
2:37and Savoa. Okay. Are you going to stay
2:39on the corner? Yes, sir. I will stay.
2:41So, what are you wearing? The the
2:43clothing. I'm wearing an orange um puffy
2:47coat and orange with jeans. Okay. So,
2:51orange coat and you're 22. Okay. Yes.
2:54And I have a hoodie on. A hood. A hood.
2:57Okay. Okay. What color the hoodie?
2:59Huh? What color?
3:02What? Your your shirt is what color? Oh.
3:05Oh. Well, the shirt is orange and the
3:07hoodie is blue.
3:09Okay. So, your jacket is orange and the
3:11hoodie is blue. Yeah.
3:16Okay. I'll uh Okay. I'll send somebody
3:18to go and talk to you and just see
3:20what's going on. Okay. Thank you. Okay.
3:22Bye.
3:24The confession was unexpected and the
3:26details that followed would unravel one
3:28of Ottawa's most unsettling family
3:31tragedies. Police moved quickly. When
3:33they arrived at the Rogers family home
3:35in Ottawa, they discovered the lifeless
3:37bodies of David and Meil Rogers. The
3:40couple had been wellknown in the
3:41community, thoughtful, generous, and
3:43deeply committed to raising their
3:45adoptive son. Shortly after his arrest,
3:48Cameron Rogers was brought in for
3:50questioning by investigators. What
3:52followed was a quiet, unnerving
3:54interview with a young man who showed
3:56little emotion as he recounted what had
3:58taken place. This is the interrogation
4:01of Cameron Rogers. How you doing? Good.
4:04Good. You're okay? Yeah. All right. Do
4:06you remember my name? Uh, no. You just
4:09met me for the first time, right? Yeah.
4:11Okay. So, my name is Teresa. I'm with
4:13the Ottawa Police and I'm a police
4:15officer and I work in the major crime
4:16unit. All right. So, I met you for the
4:19very first time today, right? Just a few
4:22minutes ago. You were in your cells. I
4:24was with another officer and uh we
4:26escorted you here and we told you to
4:29bring your blanket cuz as you can tell,
4:31it's a little chilly in this room,
4:33right? Mhm. Okay. Um these rooms are
4:36recorded. Okay. So, since it's being
4:39recorded, I'm just going to indicate
4:40today's uh date and time. It's Tuesday,
4:43November 29th, and it's 6:30 in the
4:47morning. And your name is Cameron.
4:50Cameron Rogers with an S, right? Yes.
4:53Right. Okay. My name is Teresa Calm. I'm
4:56a police officer. And um just before we
5:00get going, you I it's my duty to make
5:04sure that you understand why you're
5:08here. Okay? Those are your rights. Okay?
5:11you have rights when you're under arrest
5:14and um so I need to I want to make sure
5:16that you understand what your rights
5:18are. Okay. To be fair to you. All right.
5:20So, do you understand that you're under
5:23arrest right now? Okay. And what do you
5:25believe you're under arrest for? Killing
5:27my parents. Okay. So, that's called it's
5:30first-degree murder. Okay. Um so, when
5:33people are under arrest, they have
5:36rights and it's my duty to explain them
5:39to you. So you have the right to retain
5:42and instruct counsel. Okay. So that
5:45means you can call any lawyer you wish.
5:48All right. If you don't have a lawyer,
5:51you can call uh a legal aid. Mhm. Uh
5:55it's 1
5:578002650451 is a toll-free number that
6:00will put you in contact with a legal aid
6:02duty lawyer. Now I think that's the
6:04Ontario number. I'm sure there's a
6:05Quebec number and we can facilitate that
6:09call. I had already called. All right.
6:12Okay. Did you want to talk to a lawyer
6:14again? No. No. It's all sorted out uh so
6:20far. All right. So, um if at any time
6:25during this interview you want to talk
6:28to a lawyer again, I want you to tell
6:30me. Okay. Is there a reason why you
6:32didn't want to talk to another one
6:34again? Not really, but I I mean I
6:37already talked to one. Like I I don't
6:40want to like, you know, talk to another
6:42one. I don't see why I'd have to talk to
6:45two. Okay. I just want you to make sure
6:47that you you understand that if you want
6:49to cuz the charges you're facing are
6:52very serious and I want to make sure
6:54that you understand that if you want to
6:56speak to a lawyer that you can. Okay.
6:59The other thing I want to explain to
7:01you, and I've already explained this to
7:02you, is that the room's being recorded,
7:04right? And um
7:08um anything, you don't have to say
7:10anything to me. You don't have to answer
7:12any of my questions, but anything that
7:14you say to me, it's being recorded and
7:17that can be used in court as evidence
7:20against you. Do you understand that?
7:23Okay. Okay. So, you don't have to say
7:24anything to me, but if you do, we can
7:26use that in evidence against you at a
7:29trial. You understand that? Okay. The
7:32other thing is, um, how have you been
7:34treated so far by the officers here?
7:37Well, they're not mean and they're not
7:40nice. I mean, they're just neutral.
7:44Okay. All right. And what do you mean by
7:46neutral? Like, what? Well, I mean Well,
7:49well, I mean, they're not nice and
7:51they're not mean. I mean, like they're
7:53just they're just fine. They're just
7:54fine. Okay. So, it would be nice to have
7:56some toilet paper. Oh, there's no toilet
7:59paper in there. No, but that's that's
8:01that's probably Okay. All right. Yeah, I
8:05don't know what the rules are here
8:07because I'm not from Montreal. I'm from
8:08Ottawa. I can certainly ask them, but I
8:13can't make you any promises whether or
8:15not we can get it because I'm just kind
8:16of like a visitor right now. You got
8:18that? Okay. So, I just wanted to um
8:22verify how you'd been treated by the
8:24officers. Did anybody make any promises
8:27like in terms of when by the promise I
8:30mean that uh telling you that if you
8:34uh say something to the police, we're
8:36going to give you a reward or we're
8:38going to give you a deal. No. Okay. I
8:40just want to make sure because police
8:42officers aren't allowed to do that. All
8:44right. So, remember when I came in here,
8:45I said, I want to make sure that you
8:47understand your rights. I want to make
8:48sure that you've been treated fairly and
8:50that's important to me. Okay. So,
8:54nobody's made any promises. Has anybody
8:56threatened you that you better say
8:58something to the police otherwise we're
9:00going to do this to you or that? No.
9:02Okay. So, that's important to me, too.
9:04So, I just wanted to make sure if
9:05anybody had that that shouldn't
9:08influence you in talking to me today.
9:10Okay. Now, there's some water there. You
9:12get Do you get thirsty when you talk?
9:15No, I do. So, I'm going to have some. If
9:17you want some, you just uh you help
9:19yourself. Okay. You've eaten. They gave
9:21you some food. Yes.
9:24Okay. So, um Cameron, how old are you?
9:28I'm 22. You're 22? Okay. And what have
9:32are you in school or? I I I was in
9:34school. Okay. What were you studying?
9:37Electro mechanical engineering techn Oh,
9:42electro mechanical engineering robotics
9:45technician. Wow. And how long have you
9:48been studying that? Um, I was in that
9:52for the first year this year, but I came
9:54out of another one from like for the
9:57past two years I was in uh uh um I was
10:01in mechanical engineering techn
10:03technology but then I changed. Okay.
10:06Okay. For this year into the first one I
10:08mentioned. Good. Good. And what what
10:10were your plans? What did you want to do
10:12with that degree? I didn't want that
10:14degree. Oh, you didn't? So, why were you
10:16taking it? Because my parents told told
10:18me to take it. Oh, okay. And um why were
10:22they so keen on you taking that?
10:25Um half of the problem was probably
10:30uh because I didn't say anything else.
10:35like I didn't like I mean I I didn't say
10:39another plan for that you know like I
10:43think does that make sense? So you
10:46didn't have a plan so therefore they
10:47gave you a plan. It's funny you say that
10:49because when I was in schooling that's
10:51exactly what happened to me. I didn't
10:53have a plan and my parents made me take
10:55these courses that I I I personally I
10:59didn't enjoy. Were you enjoying your
11:00schooling? No. That must have been hard.
11:03Yes. Yeah. Okay. What year were you in?
11:07Um, so for the first two years I was in
11:11second year and then for this past year
11:14I was in first year. Okay. All right.
11:17And where were you studying? Alongquin.
11:19At Alangquin. Okay. And um were you
11:23taking any other courses anywhere else?
11:25No. No. Other than schooling, what were
11:27you doing?
11:30You tired? Yeah. Am I boring you
11:33already? No, nothing
11:36else. I wasn't doing anything else.
11:38Okay. All right. What did you do when
11:40you weren't in school?
11:43Um, if I wasn't in class, I was
11:46studying. And if I wasn't studying, then
11:48I was at home helping around the house.
11:51Good. Mostly. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. And
11:56um, you lived with your parents. Anybody
12:00else? No. Okay. And you have a lot of
12:02extended family
12:05like my mom has uh three brothers. Okay.
12:10And
12:11then they have or some of them I think a
12:15lot of them have a lot of other family
12:19on the on their their other side. Okay.
12:22So, but I don't know that that that the
12:25other sides. Okay. I understand you were
12:28adopted, right? Yes. Yeah. Okay. And how
12:30how was that? How did that go with your
12:32parents? It went well. It went well.
12:34Yeah. Good. Good. Okay. Now, who's the
12:37closest person to you, would you say?
12:41My dad. Your dad. Yeah. Okay. All right.
12:45And do you have any friends or anything?
12:47I have friends at uh at school. Okay. Um
12:51that I know from school and that I know
12:52from past jobs. Okay. All right. So,
12:56what's been going on in your life then?
12:59How have things been going for you? Like
13:02in what way? In what way? Like were you
13:04happy with the way things were going or?
13:06Uh I I don't know if I was happy with
13:08how I was going with school because I
13:12was doing a pro a program that I didn't
13:14like. Right. Yeah. And and also um I
13:18wasn't really being able to get a job
13:21because my parents would insist that uh
13:23I would have to work for them. For them?
13:27Yeah. And what what do you mean by that?
13:28back around the house. Oh, okay. Okay.
13:32And how'd that make you feel? Not good.
13:34Not good. Yeah. So, they they didn't
13:37want you to go get a job outside the
13:38house, so they just wanted you working
13:40at the house. Yeah. And Okay. I wouldn't
13:44actually get money because they would
13:46just say that they'd owe me money. So, I
13:48actually didn't have any money. Oh, that
13:50must have been hard. Yeah. So, how did
13:52you manage then?
13:54Like if you wanted to go out or if you
13:57wanted to do something. Oh, well uh if I
13:59would want to use money, they would have
14:01to approve of it.
14:03Okay. All right. What kind of work were
14:05you doing around the house? Gardening
14:07and stuff involving around the garden.
14:11Okay. Or chores. Yeah. Yeah. Okay.
14:15Um so, how did you end up here in
14:19Montreal? What brought you?
14:25Uh, I was told by uh
14:30my this per the person I called on the
14:33phone, the the the the
14:36the not the lawyer, but the one that's
14:39supposed to help me that I shouldn't
14:40answer
14:42questions. Okay, that's all right. And
14:44I'm feeling that that answer is not one
14:46I should answer. Okay. All right. We
14:48want to kind of understand kind of where
14:51things are at with you.
14:53Um, it seems like you were dealing
14:57with a lot of stuff in your life, right?
15:00Like you seem to have had a lot of
15:01pressure going on um at school. There
15:04was a lot of pressure going around
15:06around the house. And um we know that
15:12what happened is really weighing on you,
15:15right? And I I'm glad you're agreeing
15:17with that. I've been working in the
15:19homicide unit since um
15:232009 and I've never seen anybody
15:28that's reported it to the police the way
15:32you did. Okay. And that tells me that
15:36you're somebody with a a conscience and
15:40and realized what you had done and
15:43decided that you needed to
15:47um do the right thing. All right? What
15:53happened
15:56before is happened, right? We can't we
15:59can't you can't do anything more about
16:01it. But what you do have control over is
16:06today and tomorrow, right? And when you
16:11talk about how the closest person to you
16:13is your father, that tells me
16:17that there's there's a reason why this
16:20happened. Okay? And we want to
16:24understand why that
16:26happened. Okay? Like what what set you
16:30off? I know there was a lot of pressure
16:33going on like there was your the
16:35schooling, you know, having to do work
16:38at home, not being able to get any
16:40money. Something something triggered you
16:42to go off
16:46and you know, that's what we're trying
16:48to to understand. You know, there's
16:52um it seems like something that's not
16:55you because you've never had any
16:56dealings with the police. So, it doesn't
16:58happen very often that you have someone
17:00like you that's not had any dealings
17:02with the police and boom, here you
17:07are with the murder of your parents.
17:09Okay. We know that you've called you
17:12called 911. Mhm. And you reported it
17:16yourself. Okay. So, that that says a lot
17:20about you as a person that you know what
17:23to do. You you you made a mistake and
17:27you're Okay, well now I need to do
17:30something about it. So you've basically
17:32taken control of that that
17:34situation. But it's what caused you to
17:37get there? Whose fault? Like is it is it
17:41your parents that were pushing you and
17:43you're shaking? No. Well, I'm not saying
17:46it's not my parents' fault, but I'm I'm
17:48not saying it's not my fault. I mean I
17:51mean I shouldn't have done it which is
17:54obvious
17:57but like I I don't like I don't want to
18:01place the blame so like I can't really
18:03say that like my parents were putting
18:05pressure but they were but I mean that's
18:07no account for you know doing the deed.
18:14But you know when we're under pressure
18:17I've been under pressure. We've all been
18:18under pressure. And sometimes when we're
18:20under pressure, it's not us that's
18:24reacting. It's the pressure that's
18:27reacting. Right? I've done things when
18:30I'm under pressure that I'm thinking,
18:31"What the heck was I thinking? It's out
18:33of character." And I'm getting the
18:36feeling what you're what I'm hearing
18:38from you is that you were under a lot of
18:41pressure. And that's how you
18:44chose to to deal with it.
18:48You know, and I and I and I respect what
18:50you're saying that yeah, ultimately
18:52you're the one that did the deed,
18:54but there's something that caused you to
18:57want to do that. Mhm. Yeah. Yeah. And
19:00there's something that caused you to
19:02feel that that's the solution that you
19:05needed to do to deal with the pressure,
19:09I guess. Yeah. So, no, that's okay. I
19:12mean, it makes it's it's logical to me.
19:14It makes makes sense.
19:17So other than um your parents putting
19:20pressure on you with school and not
19:24wanting you to work and wanting you to
19:26work around the house, what else were
19:28they were they doing that was adding to
19:31this
19:37stress? I don't know.
19:40I
19:41mean, other than no
19:45money and having to do go into a program
19:50for 3 years that I didn't want to go
19:54into.
19:59Um, I I don't know like what else there
20:03would be. I can't think of anything.
20:05What else was missing do you find in
20:07your your life that you could attribute
20:10to? Well, I I might have felt or I might
20:14have thought at the time that I was
20:17lonely, but then after I killed them, I
20:19didn't really feel lonely. Well, I felt
20:21more lonely because anyway, it's
20:24irrelevant, but I mean realized that it
20:26was the wrong choice, but anyway. Yeah.
20:30What did you feel you had accomplished
20:32by by killing them?
20:34Nothing. Nothing. Eh. Okay. And what
20:38what caused you to to just do this?
20:44I don't know. It was it was like like it
20:49was I guess the spur of the moment. Like
20:51it was it just like I it was just I I
20:57don't know what made me do it. It was
21:01just like
21:04I I I don't even know why I did it even
21:07that I think back to it now. I don't
21:10even know why I chose to do it.
21:13Okay. How did you do it? It was uh
21:18involving m uh one or two
21:22knives and a stick. And a stick. Okay.
21:26And where did you kill them?
21:28In our kitchen. In your kitchen. Okay.
21:32All right. And
21:34um what was going on right before you
21:37killed them? I was chopping melon.
21:41Sorry, I was chopping Melon. Melon?
21:44Yeah. Okay. And where were your parents
21:46in relation to you at that point? Um my
21:49mom was doing something else in the
21:51kitchen. Okay. And my dad was somewhere
21:54else in the house. Okay. And then what
21:57happened?
21:59Do Do I have to talk about this? I don't
22:02want to talk about this. Okay. Well, why
22:04don't we talk about something else for
22:05for a while? Okay. I I I know that's
22:08that's upsetting you.
22:10Um why don't we talk about how did you
22:15how did they get to the outside?
22:19I I I put them there. You put them
22:21there. Okay. And when did you put them
22:24there? Um after they died. Okay.
22:29I I I didn't want like I was I I I
22:33didn't want like
22:35their my mom's brothers or any friends
22:39to come and see them like that. Okay.
22:41Well, that was that was good of you.
22:43Clearly, you were concerned for them,
22:45for the family members not seeing them,
22:47eh? Okay. And how did you get them out
22:50to the back? I had to uh uh Well, I I I
22:54dragged my mom in a tarp. Okay. And then
22:57I put my dad in a suitcase and then
23:00pulled him out. Okay. And how'd you get
23:02him in a suitcase?
23:04Well, I sort of rolled him into it.
23:07Okay. All right. Did he Did you have to
23:10do anything to get him into the suitcase
23:12or? Well, it wasn't like a perfect fit.
23:15Like I didn't like make him like fit.
23:18Okay. Like it it wasn't like
23:21Okay. All right. And how long did you
23:24remain in the house?
23:26A week. A week. Okay. And where were
23:29they for that one week? Well,
23:33um for a day they were wherever they got
23:38killed. Okay. And then uh after that um
23:42was spent taking them out to the
23:46backyard and then cleaning up a little
23:50bit. Okay. So it wasn't, you know, blood
23:53all over the place. For sure. Yeah.
23:54because you didn't want anybody any
23:56family members to see that. Yeah, that's
23:59okay. No, that's uh uh that's
24:01understandable. And I and I can tell you
24:03that where they are now, I don't think
24:06you need to worry about the family
24:08members seeing them like that. Okay. So,
24:11we're going to make sure and that's
24:13normal. We don't want them to see that.
24:15Okay. Um now, when you said clean up,
24:20what room had to be cleaned up? The
24:22kitchen. The kitchen. Okay. Is that the
24:24only room that had to be cleaned up?
24:27Okay. And where's the knife? Um I I put
24:31the knife uh the two I think it was two
24:35two I think it was two knives. Um in a
24:40plastic bag with the stick that had
24:42broken. So I put those in the plastic
24:44bag and I put it in the black box which
24:47is in the garage. Okay. All right. Okay.
24:52Um, and what did you do then for that
24:55whole week then in the house? I
24:58just stayed in my room. Okay. Because uh
25:03um I like the what I was mostly going to
25:08run away Mhm. from Ottawa. Okay. Um I
25:12was hoping to go to the US, but since
25:17that didn't work out, I got stuck in
25:19Montreal. Okay. Gotcha. And then that's
25:22when I called. Okay. And how come you
25:25weren't able to get into the US? Well,
25:27you need some kind of like
25:31um like like a like like not like a
25:35ticket, but like a passport or No, no,
25:38not that's that wasn't the problem. Is
25:40like because like I to go there to stay
25:45there, you need some kind of visa. I
25:47see. You know, I didn't have that. So,
25:51I'd have to lie and that that just
25:53wouldn't work. Right. Right. Okay. So,
25:56um do you remember what day of the week
25:59this was that this happened to your
26:00parents? Sunday. It was a Sunday. At
26:03about what time was that?
26:0611. In the morning or at night? In the
26:08morning. In the morning. Okay. All
26:10right. Now, I understand there was
26:12supposed to be some birthday party or
26:14there was some dinner that they were
26:15supposed to go to. Yeah. Okay. Now, when
26:17was that? Sunday. The Sunday. Okay. And
26:22um did somebody call you to find out
26:25where they were? Yes. Okay. Who called?
26:30Two of her brothers. Which ones? Gourd
26:35and Gordon Graham, I think. Okay. All
26:39right. And what did you
26:42I was scared, so I said that they had
26:44the flu. Okay. All right. Okay. Did
26:47anybody come over in the
26:50uh those eight days or a week or so?
26:55Well, we I had we have friends from
26:58church and they came over on the next
27:02Sunday and I said the same
27:04thing. Felt like they had the flu. Okay.
27:08They were at the house. Yeah, they came
27:10over to the house. Okay. All right. So,
27:13where did did they ask you where the
27:14where your parents were? I said that
27:16they had the flu. Okay. But where were
27:18they with the flu? I mean, I know where
27:21they were, but what did you tell them? I
27:23told them that they were um you know,
27:27sleeping in their room like when in with
27:30the flu. I didn't really give that. All
27:32I said was that they had the flu and
27:33that they were resting. And that's Okay.
27:36All right. So, we're just going to try
27:38to figure out how did you get to
27:38Montreal? I took the train. Oh, you took
27:41the train. Okay. And then how did you
27:43get from your house to which train
27:45station did you go to in Ottawa? Yeah,
27:48but there's two in Ottawa. There's one
27:49on there's two there's one on field and
27:52there's one on Trombllay Road.
27:54Trombllay. Trombllay road. Okay. And how
27:55did you get there? I drove you drove
27:58whose vehicle? My mom's. Your mom's.
28:00Which vehicle is that? Is the van. The
28:03van. Okay. And um why didn't you just
28:08drive to Montreal?
28:10Well, I have to pay for gas. Okay. And I
28:14mean, I didn't know if I like I didn't
28:17know I probably could have, but I mean,
28:20if I had to pay for more gas, I wouldn't
28:22really be able to pay for more gas,
28:25right? Okay. So, you then took the train
28:28to Montreal? Yeah. And when did you
28:30arrive in Montreal? Uh, at 8:30 on
28:34Monday. 8:30 in the morning or in the
28:36evening? In the morning. In the morning.
28:39Okay. And how did you pay for your train
28:41ticket? With some money. Okay. Where did
28:44you get that money? From their purse.
28:46From their purse. Okay. How? All right.
28:48Go ahead. Or wallet. Wallet. Okay. From
28:51your mom or from your dad's uh wallet? I
28:54think it was from my I think it was from
28:57both. From both. How much money were you
28:59able to get get from there? 140. 140.
29:02Okay. So, you took the train to Montreal
29:04and then what did you do once you
29:06arrived in Montreal? I bought a ticket
29:09to
29:11uh the US. Okay. But didn't work. Right.
29:15Because you couldn't Yeah. There was no
29:19visa. Okay. Right. Okay. And what was
29:23your plan in in going to New York?
29:26Somehow survive. Pardon? Somehow
29:29survive. Like I didn't really have like
29:30a plan. You didn't have a plan? No. was
29:32just to get as far away from Ottawa as I
29:36could. Okay. All right. And then when
29:39you got turned
29:41around the that you couldn't come in,
29:43you couldn't go into the States and um
29:47how do you end up downtown Montreal?
29:50Well, I had to get back from the border
29:53because I I took the train, but I didn't
29:56get past the border. Okay. So, I had to
29:58take a bus back from the border. Mhm.
30:01Um, and the bus dropped me off, I guess,
30:04at the bus station. I don't know exactly
30:06where it was, but I And then from there,
30:08I walked to the this this street that
30:14was a was was any where where I called,
30:18right? Um, was like a block from where I
30:22put my bags and that was nearby where
30:26the bus station was. Okay. All right.
30:29Okay. And so where did you sleep? So
30:33real estate. You have No, that's right.
30:35Because we're Tuesday. That's right.
30:36Because you arrived yesterday morning.
30:38Okay. All right. And what's in the bags?
30:40Just clothes. Just close. Okay. Close.
30:43Are we going to find the knife in there
30:44or the stick or anything or any weapons?
30:47Well, I have my my survival kit. Um my
30:50camping survival kit. So there is a saw
30:55and a Swiss Army knife
30:57and a Um
31:01um a sheet knife. Okay. All right. And
31:04um what made you decide to call the
31:07police to call 911? It was well I
31:11mean I didn't really have anything else
31:13to do and I
31:17mean I may as well since it's I mean I
31:20was I was feeling down for sure, you
31:23know, and I was tired which made me feel
31:25more down right. Yeah. And I called.
31:28Right. And how did you feel after you
31:29made the call? Well, I was crying for a
31:32long time for sure. Yeah. And
31:34then I felt better, but I mean I still
31:38don't know if it's if it's if it's if
31:41it's fixed because, you know, like I
31:45mean, we're discussing I feel like we're
31:50still trying to figure out if I did it
31:52or not. And I don't understand like like
31:54like
31:56like I thought confessing would mean
31:59that I would be you know like that would
32:02be it. Yeah. Well, you know what? We we
32:05still need to understand
32:08um what happened. You know, we need to
32:10understand what just because somebody
32:12tells us they did
32:13something, it doesn't mean it happens,
32:16right? So, that's why when you told
32:18Montreal, there a lot of people say
32:20things sometimes that aren't true. So,
32:23that's why they needed to, you know,
32:25figure out and what to see figure out
32:28what happened. And um but you know it's
32:32stuff like this I think you I mean
32:34everybody has to make their decision
32:36what's right for them and clearly you
32:38felt this was the right decision for you
32:40but you know I always use the analogy of
32:42a yeah at the snowball effect right you
32:45start this nice snowball at the top of a
32:47mountain and it comes spiraling down the
32:50hill and it's picking up debris and at
32:52the end by the time it gets down there
32:54it's it's not the same thing anymore.
32:56Right. So, this is something that um
32:59wouldn't have gone away eventually. You
33:01would have had to dealt with it. Now,
33:03I'm noticing a cut on your Oh, well,
33:05that was trying to to where I put my
33:09stuff. I I was trying to get in because
33:11it was like a rundown place and I had to
33:14get in. So, God got cut. Okay. Did you
33:17sustain any injuries while as a result
33:20of what happened to your parents? Yeah.
33:22Okay. What? So, I know you were cutting
33:25melons and that was about at 11:00 on
33:28the Sunday morning. What caused you to
33:33to to do that? Like, it was something
33:36said or done or No, it was literally
33:40just a spur of the moment. I I don't
33:42even know.
33:46Like I'm pretty sure if I remember
33:48correctly, it was took me 50 minutes of
33:52going back and forth about to do it and
33:55then not to do it. Okay. All right. What
33:58was causing you to want to do it? Why is
34:01it you were thinking you wanted to do
34:03it?
34:06I don't remember. Okay. All right. And
34:11um was there what were the plans that
34:13day? plans was to um do some studying
34:18and then go to the restaurant for the
34:24party. For the party. Okay. All right.
34:27And your mom, you said she was in the
34:28kitchen. Okay. And where was your dad?
34:32He was somewhere else now. I don't know
34:35exactly. Okay. Can you just explain to
34:38me how your dad did they both did it
34:40both happen in the kitchen? Okay. How
34:42does your dad end up in the kitchen?
34:46Well,
34:51um, when I did my mom, he came running
34:57and then I did him. Okay. All right.
35:01Okay. All right. And
35:04um, how long did it take?
35:08What do you mean? Like before your mom
35:10like how long did you Well, my dad
35:13didn't take very long, but my mom took a
35:16long time. Okay.
35:18and and and it was really hard because
35:22she was in pain and and I wanted it to
35:25stop and I couldn't make it
35:27stop and and I felt so bad because
35:32because she was in pain and and I wanted
35:35her not to be in pain but but I couldn't
35:38stop it and went for the whole night
35:42and what she it took the whole night for
35:46her to die. Oh, that
35:51How do you How do you know that? It took
35:52the whole life. I don't know exactly,
35:54but I mean I went to my room and and and
35:59she was still in pain like here, but
36:03then in the
36:05morning was done.
36:08Okay. And can I ask a question? Why is
36:11it then after when you realized she was
36:13in pain, why didn't you call 911? Well,
36:17I knew it was too late.
36:20Okay. And what do you mean by it was too
36:22late? The wounds were too bad.
36:26Okay. Okay. And
36:29um
36:31so what about your dad? How soon after
36:35did you did you did you kill your dad?
36:38What do you mean how soon after? Well,
36:40after you your mom Yeah. Yeah. He came
36:43running and then that's that's when it
36:45happened. Okay. What did he say when he
36:47came in?
36:49Well, he was scared for her, right?
36:51Yeah. Yeah. And and then it was quicker
36:55with him. Okay. Now, you talked about a
36:59stick. Yeah. Who did you use the stick
37:02on? I think it was both. On both. And
37:05what part of the bodies did you hit them
37:08with? I think it was the head.
37:11Okay. The stick broke. The stick broke
37:14on who?
37:17Don't remember exactly. Okay. All right.
37:20And there were two knives involved.
37:22Yeah, I think so. Okay. Where did you
37:24get the knives? The kitchen. In the
37:27kitchen. Okay. And um which knife did
37:31you use on which person? I don't
37:34remember. You don't remember? Okay. But
37:35I think I remember this. There was a
37:37smaller one that was only used on my
37:39mom. Okay. All right. Okay. And um do
37:45you remember what your mom said to you
37:47right before?
37:49Like before all of this happened? Yeah.
37:51No. No. Okay. Was there a conversation
37:54going on with you and her? No.
37:58Okay.
38:00Um have you told anybody else about this
38:04other than uh so you've told the 911
38:07operator Montreal? You spoke to the
38:08Montreal officers, we've spoken. Have
38:11you talked to anybody else about it? No.
38:13Okay. Um, between the time that you've
38:16killed your your parents and now, have
38:20you hurt anybody else? No. No. Okay. So,
38:24there's no either you haven't killed
38:25anybody else and you haven't injured
38:27anybody else. No. Okay. Um, who were the
38:31friends that showed up on the Sunday?
38:34They were friends from church. And do
38:35you what are their names?
38:37I don't want to bring them in of this. I
38:39mean, if I have to, fine. But I I don't
38:42want to bring They're nice people. Do I
38:44have to bring them in? What church are
38:45they from? The the Metropolitan Bible
38:48Church. Metropolitan Bible. It's a We'll
38:51probably be able to figure out
38:53who they are. Um it's up to you if you
38:56want to tell me, but we're going to
38:59we'll be able to figure out who they
39:00are. I may as well tell you then. Um uh
39:05uh there's there's a it's a family.
39:08There's
39:10um Oh. Oh, I know this.
39:15Um Um Okay. Well, I know their daughter.
39:19Their daughter is called Catherine
39:22because she goes to my school and her
39:27mom I can't think of it. Okay. All
39:30right. Well, we'll uh
39:32We'll be able to
39:34uh to figure that out. Um
39:39and Catherine sings in the choir. Okay.
39:41If that helps.
39:43Okay. Okay.
39:48Um Oh, and and the man is sort of
39:52French. Okay. I think. Yeah, he's
39:54French. Okay. So, you talk to me about
39:58the area that you cleaned up. What area
40:00in the kitchen did you have to clean up?
40:03Um, sort
40:05of like in front of like the fridge.
40:09Like I mean like I don't know how to
40:12explain if you don't know the house.
40:15Yeah. Okay, that's all right. Um, what
40:19did you clean it up with? Um, uh, we
40:23have like um a like steam thing for
40:26tiles. Okay. And I use that. Okay. And
40:29where is that now?
40:31Um, I left it in the hall. You left it
40:34in the hall? Okay. And what other parts
40:37of the house did you have to clean up?
40:39Just that. Just that. Okay. Now, you
40:42must have had uh blood on you.
40:47Maybe just on my arms, but then I washed
40:49it off. Okay. And where did you wash it
40:51off?
40:53I guess when I had a shower, it washed
40:55off. Okay. And how many showers are
40:58there in the house?
41:00Two. Uh, three. Three. Okay. And which
41:03one do you use? The one upstairs. Okay.
41:06And how many are there upstairs? One.
41:08Just the one. Okay. Um, generally is
41:11that What's the condition of the house?
41:13Is it tidy? Is it It's tidy. Well, I
41:18mean I mean I mean to to me a normal
41:23house is slightly messy, but when guests
41:27come over it's tidy. So I mean Right.
41:29That's right. Yeah, you're right there.
41:30Yeah. Okay. Um so if I were to go into
41:34the house now, what condition is that
41:36house in? In good condition. It's in
41:39good condition. What about in terms of
41:40it being like it's not guest tidy, but
41:43it's it's normal tidy. Okay. Is it
41:47possible it's a little messier than
41:49normal?
41:51Maybe my room since like I stayed in
41:54there during that whole week that I was
41:57in the house because I didn't want to go
41:59downstairs.
42:00Okay. Downstairs. In the kitchen. Oh, in
42:03the kitchen. Okay. All right. Okay. Um,
42:07are there a bunch of drawers open in the
42:10house? And is it a little messy? No. No.
42:14Except maybe her bed where I I emptied
42:18her purse, but other than that, no.
42:19Everything was left as it was. As it
42:22was. Okay.
42:27Um
42:30Okay. So, how I know you wanted to go to
42:34the States, what do you think was going
42:37to happen when people came looking for
42:40your parents? I don't know. Yeah. Okay.
42:43Okay. We're just hoping to get as far
42:44away as as I could. Yeah. Yeah.
42:49Okay. Okay. Um I am going to uh just
42:55leave the room. I'm just going to go and
42:56check with my partner um to see if I've
43:00forgotten anything. Is there anything
43:01else that you want to tell me?
43:04I don't know. No. But is there anything
43:06else about this that you wanted to tell
43:08me that uh
43:10No. Not that I can think of. Now, the
43:12clothes that your parents were wearing
43:15at the time of this
43:18um where are these clothes now? Still on
43:21them. Still on them. Yeah, I didn't like
43:24take off the clothes. Okay. All right.
43:26Okay, that's good.
43:29Um I guess this is one thing I'm just
43:32trying to understand. So, you're cutting
43:35melons and what was your mom doing?
43:38She was like uh doing something some
43:42kind of herb thing. I don't know what it
43:44was. It was just she was grinding herbs
43:47or something. Okay. And how was that
43:50morning? This was around 11:00. So what
43:53was going on that morning in the house?
43:58I don't know. I mean like what was Did
44:00you have an argument with your parents
44:02or Well, I mean the whole upstanding or
44:05not upstanding the whole the whole
44:08like disagree disagreement about school
44:11and work and all that was just hanging
44:15over me. And I mean I guess like I mean
44:19we've had arguments before. Okay. And
44:22heated yelling once and I guess just at
44:24that time when the cloud broke I was
44:28chopping a melon. Okay. And what were
44:30you arguing about that day? Like while
44:33you were chopping a melon? I I don't
44:35know if I was arguing at that time. I
44:37was not arguing. Okay. All right. No.
44:39No. Okay. But maybe like a day or two
44:42before we had been arguing. Okay. And
44:46about this those those issues. Okay. And
44:48anything in particular? So you're
44:50talking about school, about the work
44:52issue. And what was your mom like when
44:56she argued with you about it? Well, I
45:00I didn't have a say.
45:04Okay. And so you're You're chopping the
45:07melon. And is that the knife that was
45:10used? I think so. Okay. I think so.
45:14All
45:16right. And where did you stab her on
45:18her?
45:20Um, in the back. In the back. Okay. And
45:23how many times?
45:25I don't remember. Don't remember. Okay.
45:29And what how did she react when she was
45:31stabbed the first time? Actually, wait.
45:34I didn't stab her first. I used the
45:36stick first. You used the stick. Okay.
45:38And where did you get the stick? I made
45:41it. Okay. When did you make it? Um, a
45:45while back. Okay. And when you say made
45:48it, how would you how you make? I I
45:50carved it. Oh, cool. Okay. And for what
45:53purpose? Just to do I had a lot of time
45:56on my hands in the summer. Okay. And
45:58what did you were you going to use that
46:00stick for? I don't know. There was no
46:02plan when when I made it. Okay.
46:05Okay. And uh where were you keeping that
46:09stick? In the garage. In the garage.
46:11Okay. So, how does it end up being in
46:15the kitchen that day?
46:17I don't know. I was planning like I mean
46:20during those 15 minutes of of of of
46:24going back and forth one of those times
46:26I I thought of using the stick. Okay. On
46:31my mom. Okay. To do what?
46:34I don't know. Okay. Do Do I really have
46:37to say it? No, I'm just I'm just trying
46:39to understand it. I'm just I was a
46:41little confused as to how the stick was
46:44um in the kitchen, but I understand. So,
46:46it was in the garage because you were
46:48kind of thinking you were back and
46:49forth. All right. Okay. So, use the
46:52stick. All right. Okay. Um and uh what
46:56about on your dad? What was used for
46:58him? A knife. The knife. Okay. All
47:01right. There are two knives, right? You
47:04said, right? Okay. And the smaller one,
47:06you said you used it on your M. Right.
47:08And then the larger one. On both. On
47:11both. All right. Okay. I am just going
47:14to leave the room for a couple of
47:15minutes. I just want to go and check
47:16with my partner to see if I've forgotten
47:19anything. Um, and I'll be back in in a
47:22minute. Okay. It won't be too long. All
47:23right. Thanks.
47:53Sorry
47:55there. It's a very
47:58building. Noisy noisy building.
48:01Um just a just a few little points. I
48:04know that that the week um after it
48:08happened, you said you stayed at your
48:10house. Okay. And where you you stayed in
48:13your room, you told me. How were you
48:15like were you eating? Okay. And where
48:20did you go to eat? I ate in my room, but
48:23I had to go downstairs to get the food.
48:25Oh, okay. Did you go out at all? No.
48:29Okay. Did you make any uh phone calls or
48:32watching TV? No. No. Okay. And where
48:36were you sleeping? Mhm. You were sleep.
48:38You were able to sleep. Okay. Okay.
48:41That's right. That's what I thought you
48:43said. I just wasn't sure about that. Um
48:46in the past when you had arguments with
48:48your parents, how did that end those
48:52arguments? Like how would you deal with
48:53it? I
48:55would
48:57watch like shows and stuff. Okay.
49:01Well, I guess that's that's the answer.
49:04Okay. And um like I wouldn't win. Okay.
49:09The the the argument. Okay. All right.
49:13And how'd that make you feel?
49:15I don't know. Like not good. Yeah. Okay.
49:19Did you ever have any um did you ever
49:22assault them in the past out of fear or
49:25uh not out of fear but out of anger? No.
49:28Okay. All right. And we're just about
49:31done. Um
49:33the the the stick you told me is in it's
49:37Where is the stick right now? I know
49:39it's broken. It it it I I put I I got a
49:42I I'm pretty sure I got all the pieces
49:46and I put it in the bag with the two
49:47knives and I put that bag in the black
49:51recycling bin in the garage. Oh, it's a
49:53black recycling bin. Okay. Now, when has
49:56the Where's that black box now? In the
49:59garage. And has the recycling been
50:02picked up? No. I would have had to put
50:04that outside. And did you? No. No. Okay.
50:06So, it's still there. Okay. Can you
50:08describe the knives to me? Well, one has
50:11a green handle. Mhm. And one has a black
50:15handle. Okay. Which is the longer one?
50:18The black one. The black one. Okay. How
50:20long is the blade? Well, it's like those
50:22like ones that you use for cooking and
50:26like cutting. Okay. Sort of long and
50:31like a like it's I don't know how to
50:33explain it. It's like a kitchen knife.
50:35How long is the blade, would you say?
50:39Like
50:41like that, I think. Okay. So, you're
50:43demonstrating. Looks like that's about 8
50:45in there if I'm right. And what about
50:47the shorter one? Like like that. Okay.
50:51So, maybe about 4 in or something. Okay.
50:54All right. And
50:59um I know you you spoke about um that
51:03you're in school. How much schooling did
51:06you have before that? Like you did you
51:09go to high school before and did you
51:12graduate? Okay. Where did you graduate?
51:14Brookfield High School. Okay. Oh, good
51:16for you. Oh, good. So, you got your high
51:19school diploma. Oh, good. And then where
51:21did you go after high school? Straight
51:24to college. Okay. And how were you doing
51:26in school? In high school? Well, you
51:29were doing well. Yeah. What type of
51:30marks were you getting?
51:32um higher like not A's but well some
51:36some were A's but in in the B's. Okay.
51:40Oh, good for you. Good. Were you in the
51:42regular program?
51:44Like when you say that like just a
51:46regular like was it a in a special needs
51:49class? I was part of the special needs
51:52but um I didn't like it so I went to the
51:56the like the normal one. Okay. All
51:58right. And what was the special needs?
52:01Why were you in the special needs?
52:02Because I have a slight autism. Okay.
52:06All right. And how does that affect you?
52:08Well, when I'm not on the meds, I have
52:11bad coordination, but when I am on the
52:14meds, I don't have bad coordination.
52:16Okay. All right. And how do you react
52:19when you're not on the meds? I know
52:21you've got the bad coordination.
52:22Anything else? No. Okay. And how does
52:26your um mind feel when you're not on the
52:29meds? Fine. And when you're on the meds?
52:32Fine. Okay. All right. Okay. Um,
52:35anything else? Diagnosed with anything
52:37else?
52:39Well, I have sleep apnnea. Oh, okay. But
52:42that's not really that bad, right? And
52:45um, how bad is it? You said it's not
52:48bad, but how bad is it? Like I maybe
52:51snore a little bit, maybe. Okay. I don't
52:54know since I don't really All right. Do
52:55you sleep you a good sleeper? Yeah.
52:58Yeah. Okay, that's good. Have you been
53:00diagnosed with anything else? Whether it
53:03be
53:04uh your mental well-being? Nothing? No.
53:08Physically? Anything? So, physically,
53:10your health is good. All right. Okay.
53:13And when did you last take did you take
53:14your meds last week for your uh um Yeah.
53:19Autism? Yeah. Right. And do you take it
53:21regularly? I I I I normally do. Okay.
53:24Now, when you say normally, when do you
53:26not take it? Like right now? Oh, right
53:28now. Okay. You know, since I don't have
53:30any stuff. You don't? Eh. No. Okay. All
53:33right. Um, when was the last time you
53:36missed it other than right now?
53:41Um, maybe during the summer for a couple
53:45of days. Couple of days. All right.
53:48Okay. Okay.
53:55Um.
54:00Um. Okay. All right. Now, your dad,
54:04where did you tell me you used the
54:08bigger knife on him, right? Yes. Okay.
54:11Where on his body did you stab him? Uh,
54:14the back. In the back. All right. Okay.
54:17How many times? I don't remember. Okay,
54:20that's that's right. I you told me that.
54:22And just one um I think one more
54:24question I think then I'm done. Um what
54:27time of the day did you bring them
54:29outside?
54:33It wasn't at night. I know that I wanted
54:35to do it at night, but I I didn't do it
54:37at night. It was sometime during the
54:39day. Okay. So, it was in the backyard.
54:43So So that's was my next question. How
54:46did you get them? Like where's the
54:48kitchen? Is it in the front of the house
54:49or the back of the house?
54:52Creature is like in in the sort of front
54:54area, but um we have a a back door that
54:57leads to a deck that leads to the
54:59backyard. Okay. So then you dra you your
55:03mom, you said you dragged her on the
55:04tarp. Did you Where did you Where where
55:08in the house or outside did you first
55:10put her on the tarp? I put her on the
55:12tarp in the kitchen. Oh, in the kitchen.
55:14I brought the tarp in and then I Yeah.
55:18Okay. Where was the tarp? It was
55:20outside. Like I mean it was like we have
55:23a garden so we have tarps. Oh, I see.
55:26Okay. I just took a tarp. Okay. And
55:31um All right. And I Do you have any
55:35solid neighbors on either side? Yeah.
55:37Well, one of them is like never really
55:40there and the other one is also like I
55:43mean guess they're not well I mean it's
55:45not it's not like one is really never
55:47really there and the other one is
55:49like there sometimes and not there other
55:52times. Okay. Were you worried about them
55:54seeing you? Yeah.
55:58Okay. All right. And um and your dad,
56:03how did you It was the suitcase. You put
56:06him like part partially in a suitcase.
56:08It wasn't like completely. It was like
56:11sticking out. Yeah, it was hard. Okay.
56:15All right. And why did you put him in
56:16the suitcase? I didn't want to drag him.
56:20Okay. All right.
56:24Okay.
56:32Um, and what were you what were you
56:35thinking when you were doing this to
56:38them? No, like like when I was moving
56:42them. No, when you were actually
56:44stabbing them and hitting them. I wasn't
56:46I don't remember exactly what I was
56:48thinking, but I don't think I was
56:49thinking anything. Maybe it was just
56:52adrenaline or something. Okay.
56:56Were you feeling um angry? Were you
56:58feeling I don't think I was feeling
57:00angry. Maybe. No, actually I don't think
57:04I was feeling actually any anger. Yeah.
57:06Okay. Which sounds actually really bad.
57:09Mhm.
57:12But but I mean like like and I think
57:15that's that that's what I was saying
57:16that like it took me likeif 50 minutes
57:19of going back and forth of thinking to
57:22do it and then not thinking I shouldn't
57:23do it and you know then I I finally did
57:26it but it was it was
57:29like I don't know how to explain it. It
57:33was
57:35I didn't I wasn't like out of anger like
57:37I don't think I mean I I don't know like
57:41I don't know how to explain it was like
57:43like I I think like it's not that I
57:45wasn't doing it for anger but at the
57:47moment when I when I did it I wasn't
57:49feeling really angry. Okay. be um maybe
57:53it was just the fact that it took me
57:55like fif maybe at the beginning I was
57:57angry but then doing the fif the 50
58:01minutes of about to do it and then not
58:03doing it and then like I mean like when
58:05I say not doing I mean like chickening
58:07out you know. Right. Right. Right. No, I
58:10understand. Yeah.
58:14All right. Okay. I'm just going to make
58:16one quick um just speak to my partner
58:18and I think then we're just about done.
58:20Okay. Okay, I won't be too long. You
58:21still have your water there? Yeah. Okay,
58:23I won't be
58:40long. Okay, one quick one quick one
58:44question and then we're done.
58:48Um I I guess what I'm trying to
58:50understand is I know there was no real
58:53argument that day. It was a cumulative
58:57effect, right, of the the stress that
58:59you were going on with regards to work
59:02and uh you're nodding school and you
59:06know having to do chores around the
59:07house. So why why did that why did that
59:11happen on the Sunday then? Like what is
59:13it that said? I don't know why it
59:15happened on the Sunday. I I don't
59:17know. Like I don't know how I I don't I
59:21just don't know. It just that just it
59:24happened on that day. Maybe it was
59:26impulsive or something or it just I I
59:30don't know. Okay. Well, I know if it was
59:31impulsive because you'd been thinking on
59:32and off, right, for 50 minutes. So,
59:34yeah, it was impulsive. Pardon? I don't
59:36know. I I don't know. Yeah. All right.
59:38And you don't recall the last argument
59:40you had with them? No. All right. Okay.
59:43I also have a bad memory, but anyway.
59:45Well, yeah. Okay. You seem to have
59:48provided pretty good memories with
59:49everything that with regards to what
59:51happened. So, uh I think I I have a good
59:54understanding. Um
59:57at the beginning, I told you that um
1:00:00remember I explained the room was being
1:00:02recorded and that you didn't have to
1:00:04talk to me unless you wanted to. And um
1:00:08you chose to explain to me what
1:00:10happened. Well, I feel that I should be
1:00:12in trouble because I did something bad.
1:00:14Pardon? I feel that I should be in
1:00:16trouble because I did something bad.
1:00:18Well, you're under arrest and you're
1:00:19going to be charged. Okay. But I guess
1:00:22my my question and that that you
1:00:24understood that at the beginning and you
1:00:26knew why you were here. Um my question
1:00:29to you is that at the beginning I told
1:00:31you that you didn't have to talk to me
1:00:33and and you did. I just weren't supposed
1:00:35to. Well, that's okay. But why why is it
1:00:38then that you decided to talk to me?
1:00:40because I I I would did something bad
1:00:42and I want to you know be honest about
1:00:45it and you know I feel that I should you
1:00:48know get you know in trouble you know
1:00:51more like finish this mean okay you know
1:00:55like I see how do you feel now that
1:00:58you've come out and told us about it
1:01:00well I feel slightly better but I mean
1:01:02it's not over yet no it's
1:01:05not okay and do you feel that did I
1:01:08threaten you at
1:01:10No. Did I I didn't make you any promises
1:01:12or No. All right. Okay. I just wanted
1:01:14just to make sure that we we understood
1:01:16that. And um you know, it's it's um I
1:01:22know it wasn't easy, you know, telling
1:01:24me the truth. I want to thank you for
1:01:27for telling me and explaining this to
1:01:30me.
1:01:32Um yeah, I just I think we have a pretty
1:01:35good understanding of what's transpired
1:01:37now. So, what's going to happen now is
1:01:41um you're going to have to remain here
1:01:43in Montreal. In Ottawa, they have to get
1:01:45a warrant to get you
1:01:47back to Ottawa. So, once they obtain
1:01:52that warrant, um some patrol officers
1:01:55are going to come from Ottawa and pick
1:01:58you up and transport you back to Ottawa.
1:02:03And then you will go before uh you'll
1:02:06have you'll call an Ottawa lawyer if you
1:02:09want to. I'm assuming you should um uh
1:02:13you'll go before a judge and
1:02:18u be held in custody.
1:02:21Yeah. Um until you know your lawyers
1:02:24decide what they want to do, if they
1:02:26want to seek bail or if you're going to
1:02:28be held in custody until it gets
1:02:30resolved. I don't know. That's not
1:02:31that's nothing. I can't tell you what's
1:02:32going to happen. It'll be up to between
1:02:34you and your lawyer. Okay. Do you have
1:02:36any questions for me? Uh, when I call
1:02:39the lawyer, uh, is there a phone number?
1:02:42Yes. So, when you get to the Ottawa,
1:02:45first of all, I forgot one step. In
1:02:48Montreal, they're going to get you
1:02:49before a judge. They have to get you
1:02:50before a judge. Okay. Then you're
1:02:52probably I think you're going to come
1:02:53back here. I don't know. You'll go
1:02:55somewhere. So, when you go to Ottawa,
1:02:58So, what was your question? We we're
1:03:00going to give you a phone number.
1:03:01There's going to be a list of lawyers
1:03:03available and then you can pick a lawyer
1:03:06to to seek legal advice. It doesn't have
1:03:09to be the lawyer that's going to
1:03:10represent you, but the once you get to
1:03:12Ottawa, the Ottawa officers are going to
1:03:14explain that process to you. Okay. Do
1:03:17you have any other questions?
1:03:20Um, nothing that relates to this. Okay.
1:03:23Is there anything else that you want?
1:03:24Can I have some toilet paper, please? I
1:03:27am going to go and ask them. Thank you.
1:03:29That if you can have some. Thank you.
1:03:31All right. All right. So, I am just
1:03:35going to leave the room just to get an
1:03:37officer. The tape is still running up
1:03:39until um you leave the room. So, I'm
1:03:42going to go get the officer and I will
1:03:44also ask him at the same time if I can
1:03:46get you some toilet paper. Okay. It
1:03:49won't be long. Thanks.
1:04:55What's
1:05:27Okay. Hello.
1:06:19Okay. Cameron, it's um I've spoken to
1:06:21the officer. They're going to give you
1:06:22some toilet paper. Okay. And um yeah,
1:06:26that's no problem. I think I don't think
1:06:27it was it wasn't done on purpose. I
1:06:29think you just happened to end up in a
1:06:30cell without toilet paper. Okay. So, the
1:06:32officer is going to get you some. And
1:06:34it's 7:38 and the tape is going to be
1:06:37turned off. So, we're going to bring you
1:06:38out back to the cell. Okay. And you've
1:06:40got your water. Yes, it's correct.
1:06:47I'll give you a glass.
1:06:54In December 2018, Cameron Rogers pleaded
1:06:57guilty to two counts of seconddegree
1:06:58murder. The court sentenced him to life
1:07:00in prison with no chance of parole for
1:07:0220 years. There was no trial, no drawn
1:07:05out courtroom battle, just a quiet
1:07:07acceptance of guilt from a young man who
1:07:09had shocked an entire city. Because of
1:07:12Canada's Slayer rule, Cameron was
1:07:14legally barred from inheriting anything
1:07:16from his parents' estate. Their assets
1:07:18were instead redirected to alternative
1:07:20beneficiaries named in the will,
1:07:23including Merryill's brothers and
1:07:24several charities. The case continues to
1:07:27raise quiet questions about mental
1:07:29health, family strain, and how a
1:07:32household that seemed ordinary from the
1:07:34outside could be hiding such deep
1:07:36unrest. But perhaps the most haunting
1:07:39part of the story is what was never
1:07:40revealed. Why? Despite his confession
1:07:44and guilty plea, Cameron Rogers never
1:07:46offered a clear explanation for what led
1:07:48him to take the lives of the two people
1:07:50who had raised him. And in the silence
1:07:52he left behind, only speculation
1:07:54remains. If you found this video
1:07:56informative, please consider leaving a
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1:08:00it really helps support our work and
1:08:02allows us to continue covering important
1:08:04stories like this one. Thank you.

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