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“He can’t know I’m alive” | The case of Rachael, Karen & Nicola — Transcript

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  1. 0:10- This is 7-year-old Rachael Watts,
  2. 0:12just hours before this footage was recorded,
  3. 0:15Rachael was found wandering alone by the side of the road
  4. 0:17with her clothes missing and covered in bruises.
  5. 0:21The woman on the right is Rachael's mom.
  6. 0:23She was told by police not to show any emotion
  7. 0:25because it could cause Rachael to shut down
  8. 0:28and they need her to talk.
  9. 0:57- Notice how for the first time,
  10. 0:58Rachael's looking down, dangling her legs nervously.
  11. 1:02That's because she's hiding something,
  12. 1:04something she doesn't want anyone to know.
  13. 1:22- For the first time, Rachael's mom is hearing the details
  14. 1:24of what happened to her daughter,
  15. 1:26which makes keeping calm incredibly difficult.
  16. 1:30Rachael, however, is too terrified to talk
  17. 1:33and what she says next is not the full story.
  18. 2:24- Rachael is afraid that the man
  19. 2:26who tried to kill her will come back for her.
  20. 2:29The problem is, she will have to face him again.
  21. 2:32February 7th, three days after the attack,
  22. 2:35Rachael is standing behind a one-way mirror
  23. 2:37just a few feet away from a line of suspects.
  24. 2:48- But Rachael has no idea
  25. 2:50that someone in this lineup
  26. 2:52has already killed two other girls
  27. 2:54and if she can't point him out, he will strike again.
  28. 3:00The year is 1990,
  29. 3:02in a suburb of Brighton called Whitehawk
  30. 3:04on the southern coast of England,
  31. 3:067-year-old Rachael is living a happy life
  32. 3:08with her loving parents, Jenny and Peter.
  33. 3:11On that particular day,
  34. 3:12Rachael is out roller skating
  35. 3:14while her dad is working in the front garden.
  36. 3:17She asks him for money
  37. 3:18to go buy a chocolate bar at the local candy store.
  38. 3:21It's around 4:00 PM when Rachael rolls away
  39. 3:23in her white roller skates.
  40. 3:26Just a little over an hour later,
  41. 3:27Rachael's parents are beginning to worry
  42. 3:29that she hasn't come home yet
  43. 3:31when suddenly there's a knock at the door,
  44. 3:33it's the police.
  45. 3:35Rachael is in the hospital.
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  79. 4:34And now back to the case of Rachael Watts.
  80. 4:37She was found by a couple on Devil's Dyke Road
  81. 4:40over seven miles from her home.
  82. 4:43- I saw her come out from behind this bush.
  83. 4:46She was completely naked,
  84. 4:49kind of hands like this and crying.
  85. 4:53Her hair was all disheveled.
  86. 4:56There was blood in delicate places
  87. 4:59that I couldn't care to mention.
  88. 5:02I jumped outta the car and ran towards her
  89. 5:05and she said to me,
  90. 5:08"Are you gonna kidnap me?"
  91. 5:11And I said to her,
  92. 5:13"No, we are here to help you.
  93. 5:15You're gonna be okay."
  94. 5:16- It's clear to the couple what happened to her
  95. 5:19and they're horrified.
  96. 5:21They rush Rachael over to the closest house
  97. 5:23and call the police.
  98. 5:25- When the police officer came,
  99. 5:27she just said, am I “Mum?”
  100. 5:28I said, “Yes.”
  101. 5:30That was when she said Rachael was in the hospital.
  102. 5:38Sorry, it's still raw now, even after all these years.
  103. 5:46- Rachael's mother, Jenny, rushes over to the hospital in Brighton
  104. 5:50where she's met by police officer Debra Wood,
  105. 5:53before she's allowed to go see her daughter,
  106. 5:55Jenny is asked to do the impossible.
  107. 5:57She's told she cannot show her daughter she's upset
  108. 6:00or it may cause her to shut down
  109. 6:02and for now, police still need to interrogate her.
  110. 6:05- Debbie said to “Try and be strong.
  111. 6:09Try not to show any emotions.”
  112. 6:18She was sitting in bed with a coloring book
  113. 6:26and I just sat there with her while she colored.
  114. 6:40- Three days later, Rachael is asked
  115. 6:42to identify her attacker.
  116. 6:44Police have arranged a lineup
  117. 6:45consisting of one suspect and nine lookalikes.
  118. 6:48One of them is a man named Russell Bishop,
  119. 6:51someone police have accused of murder before.
  120. 6:53But in 1987,
  121. 6:55after being acquitted of all charges against him,
  122. 6:58Russell Bishop walked free.
  123. 7:00It all starts on October 9th 1986.
  124. 7:02The day Karen Hadaway and Nicola Fellows go missing.
  125. 7:23- Over 150 police officers
  126. 7:25and neighbors of the families have been searching
  127. 7:27the large wooded area near the girls' homes.
  128. 7:30But after nearly 24 hours with no sign of them,
  129. 7:33people are beginning to lose hope they'll be found alive.
  130. 7:36The story gains national attention,
  131. 7:38and Karen and Nicola's parents go on television
  132. 7:40to ask the public for help.
  133. 7:42- Has she ever run away from home before?
  134. 7:44- No she hasn't.
  135. 7:45- So you don't think that they'd just run away for fun?
  136. 7:48- No, the thought that they’re up to some mischief
  137. 7:50but what, I can't think.
  138. 7:53- She's just gone...
  139. 7:54and Nicky, them both.
  140. 7:57The only way they've gone is if someone's picked them up.
  141. 8:01- Come home darling, please.
  142. 8:03Daddy's not gonna tell you off.
  143. 8:05Just come home, please, now.
  144. 8:09- It's 4:00 PM, October 10th, police officer Paul Smith
  145. 8:12is walking towards Wild Park, just a few streets down
  146. 8:15from where the two girls live
  147. 8:17when he has the strangest encounter.
  148. 8:19- I was doing house to house inquiries
  149. 8:21and as a result of a radio message,
  150. 8:23I went across to the other side of the road,
  151. 8:25which is Wild Park.
  152. 8:27This voice behind sort of shouted,
  153. 8:29“Oi, what are you doing?”
  154. 8:31- The voice is that of Russell Bishop,
  155. 8:33Russell lives in Moulsecoomb
  156. 8:35and is close to the families of the two girls.
  157. 8:37He's part of the search efforts
  158. 8:39and has been walking around with his dog.
  159. 8:41- And he said to me, “We've been tracking all day
  160. 8:44but it's getting late now and we're gonna give up.”
  161. 8:46So I said to him, “No, no, we've gotta keep looking.”
  162. 8:49And he said, “Well, if I find them
  163. 8:51and they're dead, I'll get nicked won't I?”
  164. 8:54And it was quite strange.
  165. 8:56I mean why did he say that?
  166. 8:58What made him say that?
  167. 9:00- Bishop is known by the police
  168. 9:01for his petty criminal history.
  169. 9:03Car theft, shoplifting.
  170. 9:05Everyone around the estate
  171. 9:06considers him to be a bit of a joke,
  172. 9:08but his comment doesn't go unnoticed.
  173. 9:11As the men are walking back into Wild Park,
  174. 9:13they hear two boys screaming the words,
  175. 9:15“We found them, we found them!”
  176. 9:18Russell Bishop runs off toward the voice,
  177. 9:20faster than Officer Paul Smith can catch up.
  178. 9:23- I said to Bishop,
  179. 9:24“Look, you keep them away from the girls
  180. 9:26and you keep away from the girls.”
  181. 9:28I was right behind him
  182. 9:30and then I got there
  183. 9:32and stepped between him and the two girls
  184. 9:35and they were there as if they were sunbathing.
  185. 9:39Nicola Fellows was on her back with one knee up
  186. 9:43and Karen Hadaway was laying on her stomach
  187. 9:45with her arm around as if she was asleep.
  188. 9:48They were arranged like that.
  189. 9:50I went across to them
  190. 9:52and I took their pulse,
  191. 9:56Um... sorry, it still gets me.
  192. 10:01I took their pulse and they were stone cold dead,
  193. 10:03like pieces of marble.
  194. 10:08- One of the police officers come and tell me that,
  195. 10:12“Yeah, she's been found.”
  196. 10:14And I said, “Oh great, great,” you know.
  197. 10:15And I said, “Has anything happened to her?”
  198. 10:21Saddest day of my life
  199. 10:25that I lost my daughter.
  200. 10:28- I was actually in the park
  201. 10:30when they were found
  202. 10:32and when I see the tapes come out,
  203. 10:34I just knew that’s something bad, you know...
  204. 10:37I just collapsed in a heap on the floor.
  205. 10:40- The worst thing I ever had to do
  206. 10:43in my life was go down and identify her.
  207. 11:01- The crime has a devastating effect on the community.
  208. 11:04Everyone is terrified for their own children.
  209. 11:07Detectives interview over 10,000 people
  210. 11:10in what will become the largest murder hunt in Sussex.
  211. 11:14One name keeps coming up.
  212. 11:15- Russell Bishop was always a person of interest.
  213. 11:19Everybody was saying, “Why is he doing this?
  214. 11:21Why has he done that?”
  215. 11:23- Bishop is known to both families,
  216. 11:25so the girls knew him very well,
  217. 11:27which means it wouldn't have been hard for Bishop
  218. 11:29to convince them to follow him into the woods.
  219. 11:32There were multiple sightings of Russell Bishop
  220. 11:34in and around the area
  221. 11:36at the time the girls went missing.
  222. 11:37What's more, one witness says they saw Bishop
  223. 11:40wearing a blue sweatshirt that night.
  224. 11:42The description matches that of a blue sweatshirt
  225. 11:45which was found discarded on a trail
  226. 11:47close to where the bodies were found
  227. 11:49and that trail leads to Russell Bishop's house.
  228. 11:52- On the blue sweatshirt there were ivy spores
  229. 11:55that were consistent with where the girls had been found
  230. 11:58but inconsistent with where it had been dumped.
  231. 12:01There were traces of fibers
  232. 12:02from the girls' clothing on the sweatshirt.
  233. 12:05It became very clear
  234. 12:07that whoever had murdered Nicola and Karen
  235. 12:11had been wearing the sweatshirt
  236. 12:12at the time they did that.
  237. 12:14- In order to confirm they have the right suspect,
  238. 12:16detectives have to connect
  239. 12:18Russell Bishop to that sweatshirt.
  240. 12:20But in 1986, DNA science is still in its infancy.
  241. 12:24However, forensic analysis reveals the red stains
  242. 12:27on the sweatshirt are not blood,
  243. 12:29but a very specific type of paint.
  244. 12:31The same red paint Bishop was seen using
  245. 12:33on two of his friend's cars.
  246. 12:35This could indicate it was in fact
  247. 12:37Russell Bishop's sweatshirt.
  248. 12:39But they need to be sure,
  249. 12:40as Russell Bishop is being interrogated
  250. 12:42by police at the station,
  251. 12:44officers take the blue sweatshirt
  252. 12:45to his house where they're greeted
  253. 12:47by Russell's girlfriend Jenny Johnson.
  254. 12:50The first thing she says when she opens the door is,
  255. 12:52“Oh, you've brought Russell's sweatshirt back.”
  256. 12:56Jenny has no idea
  257. 12:57that she has just incriminated her boyfriend.
  258. 12:59The two officers take a sworn statement from her,
  259. 13:02which she signs without hesitation,
  260. 13:05proving that Russell Bishop
  261. 13:06owned the sweatshirt that was worn by the girls’ killer.
  262. 13:09- And we thought, “This is it,
  263. 13:11he is guilty of having killed these two children.”
  264. 13:13We thought that there was
  265. 13:14sufficient evidence to convict.
  266. 13:16- Bishop was the murderer,
  267. 13:18no doubt whatsoever.
  268. 13:19- On December 4th, Russell Bishop was charged
  269. 13:22with the murder of the two girls.
  270. 13:23Since that time, he's continued to deny both killings.
  271. 13:27- I thought, “It can't be him.
  272. 13:29Why would it be him?
  273. 13:31He comes to the house all the time,
  274. 13:33I played football with him on Sundays.”
  275. 13:36- Never think somebody
  276. 13:37who you knew would actually come along
  277. 13:39and do such a terrible thing.
  278. 13:42- November 1987,
  279. 13:44more than a year after the murders,
  280. 13:46Russell Bishop's trial begins.
  281. 13:48The entire country is watching.
  282. 13:50Everyone wants to see justice
  283. 13:51for the girls they call
  284. 13:53“The Babes in the Wood,”
  285. 13:54and the prosecution is convinced
  286. 13:56they have a strong case,
  287. 13:58but there's one thing they couldn't have accounted for.
  288. 14:00When Jenny Johnson, Russell Bishop's girlfriend
  289. 14:03takes the stand, she changes her entire story.
  290. 14:06- Jenny Johnson made a statement
  291. 14:08to the police that that sweatshirt
  292. 14:10was owned by Russell Bishop
  293. 14:13and then in court turned around and said,
  294. 14:14“Russell Bishop never owned that sweatshirt.”
  295. 14:16She said to the court
  296. 14:18that she was forced to sign this statement.
  297. 14:20The police forced her to sign it.
  298. 14:22- The prosecution knows
  299. 14:23Jenny Johnson is lying under oath
  300. 14:26to protect her boyfriend,
  301. 14:27but they have no way of proving it.
  302. 14:29Because the blue sweatshirt
  303. 14:31can no longer be linked to Bishop,
  304. 14:32the defense argues that almost anyone
  305. 14:34could have killed the two girls.
  306. 14:36The case falls apart.
  307. 14:38After four weeks of trial,
  308. 14:40the jury is asked to deliberate.
  309. 14:43- The man who had been accused
  310. 14:45of murdering two schoolgirls from Brighton
  311. 14:47has been found not guilty.
  312. 14:49- Not guilty, lads!
  313. 14:50- Yay!
  314. 14:54- Everyone was just stunned.
  315. 14:55What could possibly have gone wrong?
  316. 14:57We knew that it was Bishop.
  317. 14:59Everybody knew that it was Bishop,
  318. 15:00yet he'd walked free.
  319. 15:01- In 1987, there's a law called double jeopardy
  320. 15:05which states that a person
  321. 15:06cannot be tried twice for the same crime.
  322. 15:09Once acquitted, Russell Bishop can never be tried again
  323. 15:11for the murders of those two little girls,
  324. 15:14even if police could find irrefutable proof
  325. 15:16that he is the killer.
  326. 15:18As Bishop leaves the courtroom,
  327. 15:20he puts his hands in the air and shouts, “I'm innocent!”
  328. 15:24He then rushes through the line of reporters
  329. 15:26to go celebrate at the pub across from the courthouse
  330. 15:29with his brothers and his girlfriend.
  331. 15:32The Hadaway and the Fellows families are devastated.
  332. 15:35They know they will never see justice
  333. 15:37for Karen and Nicola.
  334. 15:39- You feel like everyone's laughing at you.
  335. 15:42You know, you feel like they're looking at you
  336. 15:45and thinking that those little girls' lives were worthless.
  337. 15:50- I was so angry, I thought,
  338. 15:54“Well then, who the hell could have done it then?”
  339. 15:57- It's less than four months since Russell Bishop
  340. 15:59was cleared of murdering
  341. 16:00Karen Hadaway and Nicola Fellows.
  342. 16:03Since the trial, Russell Bishop
  343. 16:04has been trying to readjust to family life.
  344. 16:07- As months pass,
  345. 16:08a wrongfully accused Russell Bishop
  346. 16:10takes the spotlight, while the country forgets
  347. 16:12about the real victims.
  348. 16:14The Sussex Police are convinced
  349. 16:15that Russell Bishop is guilty
  350. 16:17and that they had the right man,
  351. 16:19but with the double jeopardy law,
  352. 16:21there's no use in them continuing the investigation.
  353. 16:24This angers the public and everyone is demanding answers.
  354. 16:27- The parents of Nicola and Karen
  355. 16:29are determined that the case shouldn't be dropped.
  356. 16:31- There's two little girls in a cemetery up in Brighton
  357. 16:33and if only for them,
  358. 16:35we've got to get to the bottom of it.
  359. 16:37- 50 people set off in a march from Brighton's Wild Park.
  360. 16:41As part of the protest, a petition was handed
  361. 16:43to the police calling for the case to be reopened.
  362. 16:46- I'm adamant that my daughter's killer should be found.
  363. 16:49I won't rest till this man
  364. 16:51or people are brought to justice.
  365. 16:53- August 19th 1989, the parents organize a march
  366. 16:56to force Sussex Police to reopen the case.
  367. 17:00Among those who participate in the protest
  368. 17:02is Russell Bishop.
  369. 17:04- I suppose some people might be surprised
  370. 17:06that you're now linking up with the parents
  371. 17:09of the two murdered schoolgirls,
  372. 17:11having been accused yourself of their murder.
  373. 17:28- Everybody that knew anything about the case
  374. 17:31was sickened by seeing him behave like that,
  375. 17:33if he had any sense of decency,
  376. 17:35he would've shut himself away.
  377. 17:37But he had to put himself front and center.
  378. 17:39- Everyone can see that Russell Bishop
  379. 17:41is using the protest
  380. 17:42organized by the families of the victims
  381. 17:45as a platform to improve his public image.
  382. 17:47- Seeing the smirking Russell Bishop,
  383. 17:52seeing the parents of the kids
  384. 17:56who had been murdered
  385. 17:58and knew that Bishop had done it,
  386. 18:01it was horrific.
  387. 18:03- After his acquittal,
  388. 18:05Bishop received £15,000 from the tabloid
  389. 18:08News of the World to publish his version of the story
  390. 18:12as a victim of this miscarriage of justice.
  391. 18:15In the article, the Bishop family
  392. 18:16explicitly frames Barrie Fellows, Nicola's father,
  393. 18:20as being a better suspect.
  394. 18:21- He said that during the police inquiry,
  395. 18:23nine people appeared to be suspects
  396. 18:25and Barrie Fellows was one of them.
  397. 18:27He said it was not unknown for a father
  398. 18:29to kill his daughter.
  399. 18:30- Has it been more hard to stomach
  400. 18:32in the sense that you've been accused
  401. 18:36of possibly being involved in the whole affair?
  402. 18:38- Do you think that anyone could think
  403. 18:40that I killed my little girl?
  404. 18:41No way, no way, no way at all.
  405. 18:46I deny it emphatically, I love that girl.
  406. 18:49- However, after a full investigation by Sussex Police,
  407. 18:53they find the accusations to be baseless.
  408. 18:55Barrie Fellows is completely innocent
  409. 18:57and cleared of all charges,
  410. 18:59but the damage is already done.
  411. 19:01- The house, it was covered in graffiti,
  412. 19:05“Murderer.”
  413. 19:06“We don't want you here.”
  414. 19:08“Get away.”
  415. 19:10Despicable people.
  416. 19:12- Nicola Fellows' father Barrie
  417. 19:14felt moved to make a statement
  418. 19:15as to rumors and suspicion about him.
  419. 19:18- There are various people out there
  420. 19:20who have accused me of various crimes.
  421. 19:22This not only hurts me personally,
  422. 19:24but hurts my wife and son even more.
  423. 19:26- Russell Bishop got what he wanted.
  424. 19:29He's no longer the villain of his community.
  425. 19:31And on February 2nd 1990,
  426. 19:33the Sussex Police send Bishop a letter
  427. 19:36confirming that the case of the Babes in the Wood
  428. 19:38is officially closed,
  429. 19:39which means someone has gotten away with murder.
  430. 19:43February 4th 1990, two days after Bishop
  431. 19:46receives that letter
  432. 19:47is the day 7-year-old Rachael is kidnapped.
  433. 20:04- At around 4:00 PM, Rachael is out roller skating
  434. 20:07while her dad is working in the garden.
  435. 20:09- It was really sunny, it was really warm.
  436. 20:13My dad gave me £1 to go to the local sweet shop
  437. 20:18but because we'd been
  438. 20:19living there not very long,
  439. 20:22I got lost.
  440. 20:39- I saw a man and he was fixing his car
  441. 20:44and my dad's a mechanic
  442. 20:47so because he was a mechanic
  443. 20:50just like my dad,
  444. 20:52I asked him for directions.
  445. 20:56- Rachael has no time to react.
  446. 20:58Without a word, the man snatches her off the street
  447. 21:01and throws her in the trunk of his car.
  448. 21:04Then the car speeds off.
  449. 21:06Rachael is terrified but her mind remains sharp.
  450. 21:09She looks around the trunk illuminated by the brake lights
  451. 21:12and finds a can of WD-40 and a hammer.
  452. 21:15She starts hammering on the lid of the trunk
  453. 21:17as loud as she can,
  454. 21:19screaming at the top of her lungs.
  455. 21:22- I screamed that I would give him money
  456. 21:26because I had the £1 that my dad gave me
  457. 21:32and his only response was,
  458. 21:35“Shut up or I'll kill you.”
  459. 21:38- She then starts to untie her roller skates
  460. 21:40and takes them off because she knows
  461. 21:42that without them, she stands a better chance
  462. 21:44of running away once the man opens the trunk.
  463. 22:38- With her mom sitting next to her
  464. 22:39in the interrogation room,
  465. 22:41Rachael omits parts of the story,
  466. 22:43she says nothing about what happened
  467. 22:45in the backseat of the car,
  468. 22:47and to investigators,
  469. 22:48it means she doesn't remember.
  470. 22:50- I have a big secret.
  471. 22:54It's been in my head for the last 30 odd years.
  472. 22:58Everybody believed
  473. 23:01that he strangled me
  474. 23:04before he sexually assaulted me.
  475. 23:08I don't know whether I knew at the time,
  476. 23:12I do know the reason why I didn't talk to my parents
  477. 23:15and tell them about it earlier
  478. 23:18was because I was ashamed.
  479. 23:21When we got to Devil's Dyke,
  480. 23:24he took me out and threw me on the backseat.
  481. 23:31He told me to take off all my clothes
  482. 23:35and I just complied.
  483. 23:38I was conscious when he sexually assaulted me.
  484. 23:43- The man then puts his hands around her throat.
  485. 23:46Rachael can't breathe
  486. 23:47but before she can say anything,
  487. 23:49she blacks out.
  488. 23:50He then carries Rachael into the woods
  489. 23:52and abandons her,
  490. 23:53convinced that she's dead.
  491. 23:56When she comes to,
  492. 23:57Rachael is alone and unable to stand.
  493. 23:59She fumbles her way out of the bushes
  494. 24:01but she's dizzy and keeps falling over.
  495. 24:04- I just remember it being really cold
  496. 24:07and knowing that I had to find help.
  497. 24:13I saw some headlights.
  498. 24:16My first thought was that it was him again
  499. 24:20and that he was here to finish me off.
  500. 24:24- But she quickly realizes
  501. 24:25that if she doesn't approach those headlights,
  502. 24:27she's going to freeze to death.
  503. 24:29When she finally sees a shape in the dark,
  504. 24:32it's a young couple offering a blanket and their help.
  505. 24:35After being admitted to the hospital,
  506. 24:37Rachael is reunited with her mom.
  507. 24:40- I was worried that she'd be cross
  508. 24:42because I'd lost my brand new jumper.
  509. 24:46That's what I was afraid of.
  510. 24:48- Rachael just didn't want to go to bed
  511. 24:50when she came home.
  512. 24:52And I remember Rachael was sitting on the sofa,
  513. 24:56picking the thorns out of her feet.
  514. 25:00It just doesn't bear thinking about.
  515. 25:04- As a father you think that you can protect your family,
  516. 25:08your children, but you can't.
  517. 25:12You can't blame anybody except yourself
  518. 25:14because that's what you're there for
  519. 25:16as a parent, isn’t it?
  520. 25:17You bring them up, you protect them,
  521. 25:21and you’ve failed.
  522. 25:23And that'll go with me to the end.
  523. 25:28- At first light, over 100 officers
  524. 25:30began the most intensive search
  525. 25:31undertaken by Sussex Police
  526. 25:33since the Wild Park murder inquiry.
  527. 25:35- With the details given by Rachael,
  528. 25:37police are quickly able to start the investigation.
  529. 25:40They're looking for a white male
  530. 25:41with a mustache driving a red car.
  531. 25:44As the information is shared with the unit,
  532. 25:46detectives are informed
  533. 25:47that someone they know all too well
  534. 25:49was seen driving a red car
  535. 25:51that same night,
  536. 25:53Russell Bishop.
  537. 25:54- A couple of officers drove up to his house
  538. 25:56and saw him scrubbing
  539. 25:59as if his life depended on it, his car.
  540. 26:02- When we opened up the boot lid,
  541. 26:05we saw the WD-40,
  542. 26:07we saw the hammer,
  543. 26:08we saw the chip marks in the lid to the boot.
  544. 26:12There was clothing fibers
  545. 26:14which later matched up
  546. 26:15to the ones that the little girl was wearing.
  547. 26:18There was blood and there was semen,
  548. 26:20immediately linking the little girl to Bishop.
  549. 26:24- Bishop is immediately put under arrest.
  550. 26:26In an effort to make sure Bishop doesn't escape justice,
  551. 26:30Rachael is asked to face her attacker once more.
  552. 26:34- I remember the lineup.
  553. 26:36I did ask, “Would he be able to see me?”
  554. 27:02- I don't think I let go of my mom's hand.
  555. 27:11- The man Rachael points out
  556. 27:13is in fact Russell Bishop.
  557. 27:16On December 13th 1990,
  558. 27:19Russell Bishop is found guilty of kidnapping,
  559. 27:21indecent assault, and attempted murder.
  560. 27:24- Here, a man who was acquitted
  561. 27:25of murdering two girls in Brighton three years ago
  562. 27:29has been jailed for trying to murder a girl of seven.
  563. 27:32- A judge sentenced Bishop to life imprisonment
  564. 27:34for attempted murder,
  565. 27:3610 years imprisonment for kidnapping
  566. 27:38and 10 years imprisonment for sexual assault.
  567. 27:41- And while everyone is relieved
  568. 27:42that he finally got what he deserved,
  569. 27:44there is no celebration in the courtroom,
  570. 27:47no cheers,
  571. 27:48because everyone in Brighton
  572. 27:49is convinced Bishop killed Karen and Nicola in 1986
  573. 27:53and that he should never have been allowed to walk free.
  574. 27:56- The parents of the two Brighton schoolgirls
  575. 27:58who Bishop had been cleared of murdering
  576. 27:59three years ago were among those in court.
  577. 28:02- It's no less than what he deserves.
  578. 28:04And it don't stop there.
  579. 28:05I'll tell you that now,
  580. 28:06my fight for justice
  581. 28:07for my daughter don't stop there.
  582. 28:09- Justice prevailed for that little girl.
  583. 28:12But the unfortunate thing is,
  584. 28:13it wasn't justice for Karen and Nicola.
  585. 28:17- They say life goes on but it don't.
  586. 28:20It's still there.
  587. 28:21It hasn't gone away for me.
  588. 28:24Do you know what I still do?
  589. 28:27I still go in shops
  590. 28:29and look for clothes for her
  591. 28:31thinking, “Oh, that'll look nice on her.”
  592. 28:34- And while the families of Karen Hadaway
  593. 28:36and Nicola Fellows continue to fight
  594. 28:38in their daughter's names,
  595. 28:40Rachael returns to her family life.
  596. 28:42She's granted anonymity by the court
  597. 28:45and is hoping everything will go back to the way it was.
  598. 28:48And for more than a decade,
  599. 28:49she has managed to live a normal life,
  600. 28:52until one day the phone rings,
  601. 28:54Russell Bishop is up for parole.
  602. 28:57- I thought a life sentence is a life sentence.
  603. 29:00Then I found out that “life”
  604. 29:02in Russell Bishop's case meant only 14 years
  605. 29:08just because he didn't actually kill me.
  606. 29:11- It's 2004, Rachael is now 22 years old
  607. 29:14and the news is terrifying.
  608. 29:16Bishop, who has been in jail for the last 14 years
  609. 29:20is due to be released at any moment.
  610. 29:22She's convinced Bishop will come back for her.
  611. 29:26It's 2005, and finally there's hope for Rachael
  612. 29:29and for the Fellows in Hadaways,
  613. 29:31the double jeopardy law,
  614. 29:32an 800-year-old law preventing anyone
  615. 29:35from being tried twice for the same crime is repealed.
  616. 29:39This means with new evidence, Bishop could be retried
  617. 29:42for the 1986 murders of Karen and Nicola,
  618. 29:45but they need to act fast before he gets out on parole.
  619. 29:49- The key thing that they need
  620. 29:51is new and compelling evidence
  621. 29:54and they only get one chance to present that evidence.
  622. 29:58- A new investigation is opened on the 1986 murder case,
  623. 30:02but gathering new and compelling evidence
  624. 30:04proves to be harder than expected.
  625. 30:06- I used to have nightmares
  626. 30:09that he would climb up a ladder
  627. 30:12and get through my bedroom window
  628. 30:16and come and finish me.
  629. 30:19- Ever since that phone call,
  630. 30:20Rachael has been terrified of Bishop being released.
  631. 30:23She's developed a condition called agoraphobia,
  632. 30:26which prevents her from ever leaving the house.
  633. 30:28As years pass, Bishop's parole continues to be denied,
  634. 30:32but until he's put away for good,
  635. 30:34Rachael will never feel at ease.
  636. 30:36Finally, in 2013 there's a break in the case.
  637. 30:39- The sweatshirt was still central to this investigation.
  638. 30:43Bishop had always denied any knowledge of the shirt at all
  639. 30:47and Roy Green decided that he would
  640. 30:49test the inside of a tear
  641. 30:51on the cuff of the sweatshirt
  642. 30:53and it came back with Bishop's DNA.
  643. 30:56- The discovery is huge, but there's just one problem.
  644. 31:00Scientists can't say for sure
  645. 31:02that the sweatshirt was not contaminated back in 1986.
  646. 31:06This means that any new DNA
  647. 31:07found on the sweatshirt is inadmissible.
  648. 31:10However, when the bodies were found,
  649. 31:12forensic pathologists had taken tapings
  650. 31:14from the girls’ arms and kept them under seal.
  651. 31:17Back then, they didn't have the science
  652. 31:19to examine them for DNA.
  653. 31:21- When we examined those tapings
  654. 31:22we recovered mixed profile of DNA
  655. 31:25of Russell Bishop and Karen Hadaway,
  656. 31:28this was massive for us.
  657. 31:29This was Russell Bishop's DNA
  658. 31:31on Karen Hadaway's arm.
  659. 31:33- This could be the new compelling evidence
  660. 31:35investigators need to win this case.
  661. 31:38In May, 2016, Russell Bishop
  662. 31:40is taken out of his prison cell.
  663. 31:43He's convinced his parole has finally come.
  664. 32:16- After his interrogation,
  665. 32:18Bishop is arrested
  666. 32:19and sent back to his cell to wait for his third trial.
  667. 32:23With his DNA on the girls’ arms,
  668. 32:25the prosecution is convinced they have a strong case,
  669. 32:29but they have no idea
  670. 32:30that Bishop has a plausible explanation for that
  671. 32:33and it could destroy the case once more.
  672. 32:35- Russell Bishop arrived in a prison van
  673. 32:37for the start of the second trial
  674. 32:39he's faced accused
  675. 32:40of murdering two schoolgirls 32 years ago.
  676. 32:43Their families were in court for the start of the trial.
  677. 32:46- It's been a long time coming,
  678. 32:48but I am smiling.
  679. 32:51We're grateful for the first time
  680. 32:54that someone's actually not
  681. 32:57slammed a door in our face.
  682. 33:00- 32 years , ain’t it?
  683. 33:01- But then we did say
  684. 33:02that we'd come to this park every year
  685. 33:05until we got Justice.
  686. 33:06- That's right, justice.
  687. 33:09- October 16th 2018,
  688. 33:11Russell Bishop's retrial
  689. 33:13for the murders of Karen Hadaway
  690. 33:14and Nicola Fellows begins.
  691. 33:16When the prosecution shows the evidence to the court,
  692. 33:19the defense insists the sweatshirt was not Bishop's
  693. 33:22and they explain why his DNA
  694. 33:24was found on Karen's arm.
  695. 33:26According to Bishop, he claims
  696. 33:28that when the bodies were found,
  697. 33:29he went to check their pulse.
  698. 33:31Something apparently he had told
  699. 33:33Detective John Moreton back in 1986.
  700. 33:36- I got a call asking me to come to the park
  701. 33:40where some local lads
  702. 33:43had found the bodies of the two girls.
  703. 33:46They had their heads down
  704. 33:47and were absolutely deflated.
  705. 33:50I was totally amazed when I saw the other guy
  706. 33:53who turned out to be Russell Bishop.
  707. 33:55It was strange because he was standing there
  708. 33:57shuffling his feet and whistling out loud.
  709. 34:00So I asked him what happened
  710. 34:01and he said to me, “I jumped over the tree
  711. 34:04and went to the girls
  712. 34:05and I felt both of their necks for a pulse.”
  713. 34:08I thought, well that's really strange
  714. 34:10because from what the other two had said,
  715. 34:13I knew Russell Bishop had not gone to within 15 feet
  716. 34:17of those girls on that afternoon.
  717. 34:20- Russell Bishop's argument cracks
  718. 34:22in front of the courtroom.
  719. 34:23The truth is far more disturbing.
  720. 34:26After he strangled the two girls
  721. 34:28to death on October 9th 1986,
  722. 34:30Russell Bishop participated in the search the next morning.
  723. 34:33He wanted to be the first on the scene to check their pulse
  724. 34:37so he could explain why his DNA was on the girls.
  725. 34:40The problem is
  726. 34:41he never got the chance to get close enough.
  727. 34:44Bishop is furious, he knows he's about to lose.
  728. 34:47This is when the prosecution reveals
  729. 34:49one last bit of evidence against Bishop,
  730. 34:52letters written by Bishop while he was on trial in 1987
  731. 34:56sent to a 13-year-old,
  732. 34:58the letters are read out loud to the court.
  733. 35:00- And they were incredibly sexually suggestive
  734. 35:05and clearly he didn't want those letters
  735. 35:07to be read out at court.
  736. 35:08And he started shouting from the dock
  737. 35:10that he wanted a retrial.
  738. 35:12But in fact, those letters were read out.
  739. 35:15- On December 10th at 12:30 PM,
  740. 35:18the jury is sent out to deliberate.
  741. 35:20In less than two hours
  742. 35:21they come back with a verdict.
  743. 35:24- A convicted pedophile has been found guilty
  744. 35:26of murdering two schoolgirls found strangled
  745. 35:28and sexually assaulted near Brighton 32 years ago.
  746. 35:32- Russell Bishop is finally convicted
  747. 35:34for the murders he committed in 1986
  748. 35:37and for which he escaped justice for 32 years.
  749. 35:41He's sentenced to an additional 36 years.
  750. 35:43- This is a moment to remember the two girls.
  751. 35:46We should also acknowledge the courage, persistence,
  752. 35:49and dignity of Karen and Nicola’s families,
  753. 35:51and I sincerely hope the families can now find some peace
  754. 35:55and move forward with the next chapter in their lives.
  755. 35:58- I said that I'd never stop fighting for justice
  756. 36:02and now them little girls can rest in peace.
  757. 36:06- I used to go into the bedroom
  758. 36:08where her stuff was in the chest,
  759. 36:11when I opened the chest
  760. 36:12and all her stuff was there and I can just smell her.
  761. 36:15When the court case finished
  762. 36:17and we got the verdict, I said,
  763. 36:19“Well, now she can
  764. 36:21go to her angel bed and go to sleep.
  765. 36:25She hasn't gotta worry about anything now.”
  766. 36:29And I know she's around.
  767. 36:33You can't see her and you can't feel her,
  768. 36:36but she's there in spirit.
  769. 36:40- “If I could have a wish come true,
  770. 36:41a dream that come to pass,
  771. 36:44I'd ask to spend a day with you
  772. 36:46and pray that it would last.
  773. 36:49I'd run to you and hold you close,
  774. 36:51We'd laugh and smile again.
  775. 36:53We would talk about the old times
  776. 36:56and see how we've both been.
  777. 36:59My wish go ungranted,
  778. 37:01but it always will be true.
  779. 37:03I'd trade many of my tomorrows
  780. 37:05for one yesterday with you.”
  781. 37:07- Since the trial, Rachael has been on a journey
  782. 37:10to get back control of her life.
  783. 37:12She has built a beautiful family with her loving husband.
  784. 37:16- The reason I fell in love with Jay,
  785. 37:18he made me realize what it was to actually be loved
  786. 37:25and he made sure that I felt it.
  787. 37:30I had my first daughter when I had just turned 22.
  788. 37:36She's turned out to be absolutely beautiful,
  789. 37:39all my children have.
  790. 37:42I'm very proud of each of them.
  791. 37:46I'm hoping by telling my story,
  792. 37:50I will be able to put myself back in the now.
  793. 37:54I don't wanna stay a prisoner of my past
  794. 37:58and I'm hoping that I can stop hiding.
  795. 38:06I want to be able to go out
  796. 38:08and spend time with my family
  797. 38:11and have dates with my husband
  798. 38:13and go to a pub
  799. 38:15and sit in a beer garden in the sunshine.
  800. 38:19I'm willing to do whatever it takes.
  801. 38:24I'm still here
  802. 38:27and I've still got a fighting chance.

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