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0:00Okay, ah, we have the camera, we have
0:02the sound. Listen, let's agree right
0:05away, are you for us or for them, or
0:07for S
0:08>> for Donbass? What is this? What do you
0:10mean, because of us, because of them?
0:11>> Well, here's Changan, hawala. What
0:13religion do you follow?
0:15>> BMW.
0:17>> Well, first of all, first of all, no,
0:19first of all, Porsche. Okay,
0:21>> then today I'll go on to
0:22>> BMW, Volkswagen, and then on about that
0:24whole case. What is this? What do you
0:25mean? What are you doing? What the?
0:28Well, I'll do this right away, you know
0:29, so as not to see you as a defender of
0:31the Chinese. Have
0:32>> you ever heard him defend the Chinese?
0:35>> Well, you never know, you never know
0:36how much you hid
0:37>> from Thailand when you came back. Your
0:38world could have turned upside down.
0:40Everything is stable here.
0:41>> No, I hid the M6 and will continue to
0:44praise it, because, well, that's normal
0:47,
0:47>> right? They didn't screw you over,
0:48Nikita, they didn't screw you over. You
0:51see,, how my pants are torn, see?
0:55Short, see? We do full dismantlings
0:58when you, well, accumulate some
1:00information on the matter, when we have
1:02experience with autoregmat, when we've
1:04driven around, seen what happens to
1:06cars after 3-4 years, and we're simply
1:08reporting on it. People say sternly
1:11about me: "Well, it doesn't really
1:12matter what people buy, it's their life
1:14, their money, and they'll be driving
1:16it." In all full dismantlings, we
1:18always maintain a maximally neutral
1:19position, that simply, look, this is
1:21what happens, this costs this much,
1:23this much. Well, in our opinion, it's
1:26better to look at this, this, or you
1:28can buy it, but everyone is, quite
1:29rightly, free to decide for themselves.
1:32Absolutely calm. Okay,
1:33>> understood. Then I'll keep quiet today
1:35and listen.
1:37>> Good afternoon. To be fair, this video
1:50has been a long time coming, even after
1:52we recorded full dissections of Cherry
1:53and Geely, that we'd dissected these
1:55Chinese cars, yes, we talked about
1:57engines, platforms, and so on. And
2:00where's Hoval? And where's Shangan?
2:03It's a Bullet rocket. A Bullet rocket.
2:05On Instagram, they're constantly
2:07punishing Audi, with all the chips and
2:09all that. You've seen those, well,
2:11correction videos, where guys with
2:13Shangans and staged cars are trying to
2:14get away from anyone. And Hoval has
2:17been produced here for how long? The
2:19plant has been shut down since 2019,
2:21churning out Hovals, everyone's buying
2:23them, and so on. It's a very popular
2:25brand in our country, second only to
2:27AvtoVAZ. And we really need to figure
2:29out whether it's alive or not, and how
2:31it's used, because we definitely have
2:33some data. And so today we'll continue
2:37to explore this wonderful lore, because
2:38, yes, indeed, well, specifically with
2:39Howalls and Chengans, there are already
2:41some statistics that can be discussed.
2:44These cars left the factories, some
2:46came to us from China, and some
2:48gathered here. People used them. These
2:51cars have been driven, and now they're
2:53happily arriving at the used market,
2:54and we're sitting there like hyenas,
2:55watching very carefully. And what's
2:58left of them? What's the bodywork,
3:00what's the engine, how much it all
3:01costs, how much people have lost. And
3:03so, well, we'll talk about all of this
3:05today. This is immediately evident from
3:07our data from the auto industry
3:08regarding all Chinese cars. In general,
3:10well, obviously, demand for them in the
3:12used market is growing. People are
3:15gradually starting to show interest
3:17because these cars actually exist, and
3:18they're significantly cheaper than, say
3:20, Japanese, Korean, and certainly
3:22German cars. But demand is growing
3:26disproportionately, if we take our data
3:28specifically, where we can see a person
3:30with money, wanting a car, having an
3:32idea, we find one for them, they buy it
3:34, and now they're driving it. Demand is
3:38only growing noticeably for two brands:
3:40Geely and Khoval. Chingan is much less
3:42common. Really, much less common. It's
3:45more of a topic for Kazakhstan and the
3:46southern regions of our country. And
3:49the Cherry Zoo, all those sub-brands,
3:52like, whatever they have, Chryry, Joura
3:55,
3:58>> Net. Well, that's our assembly, but it
4:00doesn't matter. In short, all these
4:02Cherry sub-products, there's no demand
4:04at all. Their huge volumes are mainly
4:06purchased from taxi companies, for
4:08commercial use. But for some reason,
4:10people don't really like these cars on
4:11the used market. If we're talking about
4:13regional differences, then Hoval is
4:15incredibly popular in the regions.
4:17Really, really, really popular. Azhili
4:20is more of a big-city car. And on the
4:22used market, they're considered, well,
4:24like a Manjara. Like in Moscow, in St.
4:26Petersburg, it's much less common in
4:28the regions. So, we'll start with the
4:30fact that Hoval is more popular here
4:32than Chengan. And to understand the
4:35essence of this brand, we need to step
4:37back a bit. You have to understand that
4:39Hoval isn't an independent company. I
4:40mean, it didn't just pop up like, say,
4:43Ford, Mercedes, Opel, or AvtoVAZ. Hoval
4:46is simply a part of a larger company
4:49called Great Wall Motors or Great Wall
4:52Motor. Buy it on AliExpress. In short,
4:55Great Wall Motors. Motor. What I really
4:58, really like is that, well, in
4:59Traditional Chinese the company name is
5:02written like this, and in Simplified
5:04Chinese it's written like this. Just in
5:06case, I don't see any difference either
5:07. It's like, these are hieroglyphs,
5:09these are hieroglyphs, but for some
5:11reason these hieroglyphs are more
5:12complicated than these hieroglyphs.
5:20Yeah, Dan, are
5:21>> you ready yet?
5:22>> Not yet.
5:23>> And don't forget to give the guys the
5:24audio after recording. You have two new
5:26flash drives there. You need to give me
5:28the one with one written on it. Just
5:30don't mix them up and don't forget.
5:32>> No problem.
5:33>> Thanks. Bye.
5:34>> Yeah. Okay.
5:40>> Khoval. Okay, so, hi everyone. Today we
5:44have the long-awaited video on the
5:46topic of "bye everyone." Okay, I
5:55remember the sound about the two flash
5:59drives, but which one specifically I
6:02needed to get. Okay, I'll take a look
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6:42in the description. In short, Great
6:47Wall Motor, aka GWM, aka GVM, and they
6:49are the same company that has
6:51captivated us all for 20 years now, and
6:54we will definitely all drive them.
6:56Their success so far has been mixed,
6:58but still. The company originally
7:00started as a small cooperative
7:02repairing agricultural machinery, back
7:05in the 1970s, in China. It wasn't
7:07exactly a large-scale production
7:09facility; it was more like a hangar
7:10where they repaired, well, agricultural
7:12machinery. A few years later, the guys
7:15took on a contract to assemble the
7:17Beijing PJ212. This particular car is a
7:21Chinese knockoff of a Soviet GAZ-69. It
7:25has a 451-liter engine, and the
7:27suspension is also from a 451-liter
7:29engine. And then, in some unspecified
7:31quantities, it was assembled in China.
7:33There's no exact data. But in any case,
7:35these guys were simply modifying Soviet
7:37cars. They tried to make crossovers and
7:40some regular civilian vehicles on the
7:43GAZ-69 chassis. For example, there's
7:45something called the CC6490. That, by
7:50the way, was based on the GAZ-69. And
7:52they were making things like this until
7:53about the 1990s. And then, naturally,
7:55they started assembling cars similar to
7:58Japanese ones. Because the Japanese
7:59were tearing the world apart with their
8:01cars back then. They were actively
8:02conquering the entire planet. And so
8:05they tried to build some cars based on
8:07older cars, while others were also
8:09their creations based on Japanese cars.
8:11Well, like this CC 6470. Naturally, you
8:14have to understand that all this was a
8:16semi-artisanal production without any
8:18large production runs. And back then,
8:20this was a commonplace in the Chinese
8:22auto industry, because, well, no one
8:23had large production runs in China in
8:25general to begin with. But Great Wall
8:27—especially, because you have to
8:29understand that all the cars from that
8:31era were utter crap that simply didn't
8:33survive into the modern world, because
8:35they were all made of very low-quality
8:37metal, with archaic designs, and it's
8:39unclear how they were assembled, and
8:41it's unclear how they even drove. And
8:44then there are cars that are simply
8:45cheap, simply inferior, but at the same
8:47time, that balance between cheap and
8:49poor performance is, well, still at
8:50some more or less acceptable point, and
8:52people buy them. And then there are
8:55cars that are cheap, but completely
8:56crap. That was the great stuff of the
8:591990s. But then again, you have to
9:01understand what China was like back
9:03then, because it wasn't like ours now,
9:04the world's number one economy, the
9:05most developed cities on the planet,
9:07blah-blah-blah. No, no, no. It's you, a
9:10big crowd of Chinese, sitting in
9:12and poverty in a rice field, and the
9:14whole country is working tirelessly to
9:16somehow pull itself out of the abyss.
9:19So, it's clear that these trendy
9:21crossovers—even from Greatwall—were
9:23of no use to anyone, even though they
9:25were initially intended with a certain
9:27flair, like they were a bit
9:28Rolls-Royce-esque: we'll even add some
9:30options, do something else—who cares.
9:33And so, somewhere around the 1990s,
9:35Great Wall looked at where it was. He
9:39thought about it, pondered it, and was
9:41like, "Let's screw a pickup truck, take
9:43a Highux, disassemble it, see how those
9:45slant-eyed guys did it, and with our
9:47slant-eyed savants, we'll do roughly
9:49the same thing, but something of our
9:51own." And that's how "wall de"(meaning
9:54"deer") came to be. Yeah, they couldn't
9:57find a decent translator, apparently. I
9:59don't know, Deer. There you go. And the
10:01"deer" thing starts selling out. It's
10:03starting to become popular in China.
10:06Plus, the Deer was, in fact, the first
10:08Gytwoll vehicle exported abroad. Where
10:10were they exporting pickups,
10:12>> right? The Middle East, China, right?
10:14And, in short, within a few years, YL
10:16became the leading pickup truck
10:18manufacturer in China. The Deer, by the
10:20way, was even officially supplied to us
10:22around the 2000s. They brought
10:24something there around 2004, also our
10:26Russian Deer. And then, using roughly
10:28the same Makar, well,
10:29reverse-engineered from Japanese cars,
10:32they gave birth to this Great Wover.
10:34And they literally assembled it simply
10:36from what was available. They took the
10:38chassis of an Isuzu MU, the body of an
10:40Isuzu Axum, a licensed Mitsubishi
10:42engine, and just whatever else they had
10:44. They simply took it and put it
10:47together, naturally, with Chinese
10:48materials. And so it turned out to be
10:51really cheap again, but not so bad that
10:52it was complete crap, just a little
10:54closer. But there was a problem:
10:57Hytwall's main brand, I mean, it first
10:59gained popularity on pickup trucks, and
11:01here we have, well, a regular crossover
11:03with a monocoque body. And so, somehow,
11:06everyone was too shy, you know, or
11:07buying a crossover that has a pickup
11:09brand attached to it. So, at first,
11:11they started calling all the crossovers
11:13"hovers" within the company. Well, just
11:14to differentiate it a little, that it's
11:16not a pickup truck, it's a Hover. And
11:18then Hover was spun off into a separate
11:20brand and in 2010 it was renamed Havl.
11:23Accordingly, Havl is a subbrand of a
11:25larger company that produces
11:27body-on-frame crossovers. And the
11:29larger company is GR Wall Motor. Hovl
11:32first saw significant production in
11:352009-2010. This was already the time
11:37when it was renamed from Hover to Haval
11:39. And then they sold 126,000 cars.
11:42That's, well, not a huge number for 41
11:44years of operation. I mean, per year.
11:47>> So, they existed for 41 years and
11:49finally managed to produce 126,000 cars
11:51, yes. But then they would experience
11:53rapid growth, like all Chinese
11:55companies. In 2011, they released the
11:57Haval H6. It's a frameless crossover.
12:01And so, essentially, the brand's main
12:03gimmick is built around this: that
12:05these are crossovers, they're frameless
12:06, and at the same time they're not
12:08exactly budget-friendly, that you still
12:10have a hint of sheep there, but at a
12:12budget price. And the A6 becomes very
12:15successful. In 2016, it sold a million
12:19units. I mean, in 2016, the Hover A6
12:23alone sold a million units. That's a
12:26lot. Few models in the world can
12:29produce that much.
12:30>> And that's just for the Chinese market
12:32alone, a million
12:33>> in total. Well, it's not like the Hover
12:366 had a huge following, but the bulk of
12:38the sales were still in China, of
12:40course, but then it spread to South
12:42Asia, and to the Middle East, and some
12:44of them came to us too. Well, whatever.
12:46The most important thing is that this
12:47car was the original birthplace of the
12:49entire brand. Now this story reminds me
12:51of when you were sitting in a village
12:53toilet, and there's this somewhere
12:55, it's getting closer and closer and
12:57closer. And then you're driving it.
13:00>> No, no, it's actually modern, well, not
13:02completely bad, but the Chinese cars of
13:04the 2000s, especially the Hover of the
13:062000s, well, they were complete and
13:08utter crap. It's better now. Literally
13:12before the A6 took off, the brand made
13:15a strategic decision: it needed to
13:17expand globally. It needed to expand
13:20globally somehow, because, well, in
13:22China, yes, of course, we have a market
13:24there, we can develop there, but we,
13:26like any other self-respecting car
13:28company, absolutely must have sales
13:30everywhere. And there's actually some
13:32logic to this, because if you're a
13:34budget carmaker making cars in the
13:35budget segment, you'll definitely need
13:37to think about factories for other
13:39countries. You need to think about
13:41localizing production within your
13:43country, because otherwise, you'll have
13:44a logistical burden, and customs will
13:46eat up all your margins. You simply
13:48won't be able to compete with local
13:50carmakers simply because your car will
13:51be too expensive just in terms of
13:53shipping and customs. And to be fair,
13:55the authorities decided this not only
13:57with the Hova brand; they also came up
13:58with the Way brand, which is supposedly
14:00premium. Here's Vй Coffee, just in
14:02case you didn't know, the Chinese think
14:04it's premium. That's the kind of car it
14:06is. They also have the ORA brand. Not
14:07Khval, but Great Wall Motor in general.
14:10And the ORA brand is responsible for
14:11electric trains. It's already a modern
14:13division. A tank, uh, with its premium
14:15off-road version and this thing that's
14:16almost like a Land Cruiser. And,
14:18accordingly, the main parent brand is
14:19Great Wall Motors Pickup. These guys
14:21came to Russia back in 2014. They came
14:23as Great Wall. Well, I mean, a
14:25subsidiary of JVM Great Wall Motor Rus
14:27opened, this company. And that same
14:29year, Khval appeared at the Moscow Auto
14:31Show. Back then, the tradition of auto
14:33shows was still alive: we'd gather in a
14:36big crowd, look at cars, show this,
14:39show that, and all that. And in 2015,
14:41the first official dealership opened,
14:44so you could go and buy a Khoval from
14:46us—well, the ninth, this one. The
14:48guys are proud that by 2017, we'd
14:50already managed to open ten car
14:52dealerships. But in reality, at that
14:55point in 2017, there were 3,500
14:57dealerships in our country. So, ten is,
15:00well, very strange niche places, let's
15:03say. But the most important thing is
15:05that, uh, from a business standpoint,
15:07for some reason, these guys decided to
15:09jump into the abyss. Take 2017. The
15:15brand at that time was selling only
15:171,800 cars a year. Not per month, but,
15:21well, 1,800 per year. That's somewhere
15:23around, well, God willing, three cars
15:24per country per day, like five cars per
15:26country per day somewhere. That's the
15:27approximate pace. In 2018, the guys had
15:30a crazy volume of 3,200 cars, which is
15:34also more or less nothing. And they're
15:37like, "We need to bang the plant, we
15:39need to launch a really big production
15:40facility, we need to pour money
15:42into it, essentially, into Russia
15:43without any guarantee that everything
15:45will be fine, that everything will be
15:46alright." We don't have a sales market.
15:49People don't like us here, people don't
15:51respect us here, we don't have a normal
15:53audience, we don't have people who
15:54would, you know, buy our cars for
15:56generations, like with Toyota, for
15:58example, or Mercedes. We see this in
16:00our reports. We've been here in the
16:01country for far from our first year.
16:02We've been trying to sell our cars for
16:04four years now. And it's no
16:07good. So let's bang the plant. At the
16:09time, in 2018, it seemed crazy. Well, I
16:12mean, downright crazy. I even remember
16:13the news headlines when, in 1919, the
16:15news broke that, like, that's it, the
16:17Potula plant was opening and would
16:18gradually start collecting praise. I'm
16:20like, "Well, seriously, guys, this is a
16:21really weird thing you're doing,
16:23because how are you going to compete
16:24with Volkswagen? How are you going to
16:26compete with Hyundai? How are you going
16:28to compete with Mazda, with Toyota, and
16:29with everyone else? Who's been here
16:32with the factories for a long time,
16:33who's been here with the target
16:35audience for a long time, who already
16:36has, like, a cozy, comfortable place,
16:38and they've been gnawing away at this
16:39place for 20 years, and these guys came
16:41, essentially, haven't even sold
16:42anything, well, like, probably haven't
16:44recouped some operating costs, and
16:45they're like," Let's bang the plant. "I
16:51often talk about Autoteka's reports
16:53here, and we almost missed the fact
16:55that the service turned 10 years old
16:56this month. If it was able to survive
16:59all the upheavals that have happened
17:00during this time, it can only mean how
17:02valuable and in demand the product is.
17:05Autoteka has grown and accumulated in
17:07its product both data on cars and
17:09expertise in this matter, and simply
17:11Market experience. Just think back to
17:13what was on the roads in 2016. And
17:15since then, everything has been turned
17:16upside down about a thousand times. But
17:19the guys held on, and now it's time to
17:21celebrate. For the service, 10 years is
17:23no empty phrase, so Autoteka is
17:24celebrating with its customers and
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17:28only need one Autoteka report for any
17:31car. It doesn't matter whether you
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17:41There are plenty of prizes, and very
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18:02>> Well, actually, it's really strange,
18:04because it feels like, essentially, if
18:06you do something If you're doing
18:07something, you might just be doing
18:09something full-time at some point. It's
18:12possible that something will happen
18:14where you'll be in the lead, because,
18:16well, if all the brands hadn't left,
18:18who would need Hoval?
18:20>> Well, they probably would have
18:22eventually won back some market share
18:24anyway, because they had momentum. But
18:26the problem is that with the momentum
18:28they had, they wouldn't have even
18:29recouped the investment in the plant.
18:32And the other Chinese brands, the same
18:33Cherry that we've had all along, the
18:35same one, and all these other guys,
18:37well, they seemed to have a very
18:39sensible view of the PNL, which didn't
18:41match up at all under any forecasts.
18:44And, well, to go and invest a huge
18:46amount of money in a country with which
18:48you essentially don't have a business
18:50relationship, well, that's a really
18:52risky move. Now the Hoval plant
18:54assembles 3,000 cars per year,
18:56approximately 10 days. In 1918, that
18:59was the annual sales volume, and now
19:01they only assemble that many cars in 10
19:03days. And, well, they weren't the only
19:05assembly site they had. They also set
19:07up one in Kaliningrad, but they don't
19:09own it there. They just made an
19:10agreement with the plant and are just
19:12assembling cars there. But that's wow.
19:14So, again, to put it into perspective,
19:17Cherry officially sold 157,000 cars in
19:202024. And only now, in '26, they're
19:22like," Okay, we'll assemble a ten-piece
19:25. "And that's through contract assembly
19:28, and that's without any serious
19:29investment, without, well, a completely
19:31different approach.
19:32>> So, essentially, they're just setting
19:34up a nominal assembly line here,
19:36>> and they're not investing a lot of
19:38money. And they were completely broke
19:40back then, and they just went and hid a
19:42shitload of money for some reason. But
19:44even before the war, in '20, They're
19:47already selling 17,000 cars. In '21,
19:49they're selling 34,000 cars. By this
19:53point, their local favorite is starting
19:54to emerge, with Zhulion managing to eat
19:56away at everyone else's market share.
19:58Well, when the war actually starts in
20:00'22, all the brands leave, and Hoval is
20:02perfectly established, because, well,
20:04you already have a factory inside, no
20:05one's stopping you from working, you
20:07just have a naked market, you just go
20:09and whitewash people. In '25, a
20:11full-cycle assembly site opens in
20:13Kaluga. In September of this year,
20:15assembly began at the Kaliningrad
20:17Avtotor. At the moment, we're
20:18assembling eight cars. These are the M6
20:22Jon or DG, it's not clear what to call
20:24it. F7, F7X, H3, H7, and H9. And in '25
20:29, Hoval is, well, the top-two
20:31manufacturer in sales after AvtoVAZ.
20:33It's the most successful company after
20:35AvtoVAZ. Well, in our country, it's
20:37just AvtoVAZ should always be left out
20:38of the equation. And here we have Hoval
20:40, essentially the market leader.
20:42>> And why isn't AvtoVAZ a profitable
20:43company, while Hoval is? Oh, and Hoval
20:46is profitable. That's a
20:48>> good question. You can't even imagine
20:50how profitable Hoval is.
20:51>> No, I can imagine it, because I can
20:53imagine, well, it's amazing.
20:55Well, I mean, I'm envious of how
20:57profitable it is.
20:58>> I have the numbers. In 2025, I wrote
21:02everything down, I have it all here.
21:06There were quite a few articles about
21:08Hoval earning between 4,000 and 5,000
21:09dollars on each car in our country. It
21:12seems like, well, it's obvious that,
21:14well, it's clear that automakers make
21:16money on a car, like, everything is
21:17great, but to just make 5,000 bucks per
21:19car on a budget car, well, that's crazy
21:21. It's like there's no precedent for
21:23this in the world. Because even when we
21:26were discussing it around the pandemic
21:28and in Around '22, the Germans had this
21:30strategy: you know, we're BMW or
21:32Mercedes, and it's hard for us to
21:34produce our own cars because first we
21:36have the pandemic, then the container
21:38crisis, and now because of the war, and
21:40all the sanctions, and energy—I don't
21:42understand a damn thing. But we have to
21:46make money, we have to make money.
21:47We're BMW, we're Mercedes, we can kind
21:49of make a lot of money from our
21:51audience because we're a premium brand
21:52and people love us. So, if anything,
21:55we'll just sell our cars at twice the
21:56price, and you'll still buy them.
21:58Remember, we've discussed this many
21:59times. Back then, BMW was making $
22:025,000 per car. BMW, damn.
22:04>> And BMW back then, it was like, what's
22:06this,
22:06>> yeah, they made a lot of money. He was
22:08around,
22:09>> starting in '22. Quietly, quietly. And
22:11really quietly. And I mean, how do I
22:14understand it when you're making $
22:155,000 per car that you, let's say, $
22:1760,000. Well, in the case of BMW, it's
22:19either $ 80,000 or $ 100,000, it's like
22:20, well, that's understandable. And with
22:23Julian,, what are you talking
22:25about, like, for God's sake, yeah. Well
22:28,
22:28>> how much, like, how many thousand
22:30dollars is that on average, if they
22:32earn, like, five? From the selling
22:34price of the Khovala,
22:35>> 20%is what they earn in the car
22:36business—that's. Come on,
22:38that's a lot. The top management of car
22:41companies can already bathe in a bath
22:42and champagne when your profitability
22:44is, like, 10-11%. But if you provide
22:46for this business, everything, like, is
22:48fine. I think that in our country, well
22:50, like, people who made the decision
22:52and invested in the Khovala plant in
22:53Tula, they can bathe their entire
22:55family in champagne for the rest of
22:56their lives and generally not deny
22:58themselves, well, like, anything,
22:59Definitely. Because from a business
23:02perspective, it's, well, what a
23:03cool project it turned out to be. But
23:05it was very risky from the start. And
23:07the current dividends are precisely the
23:09price for that risk. So, if AvtoVAZ is
23:12top-1 on the Russian market, and hoval
23:14was top-10, then why the is
23:16AvtoVAZ constantly
23:19>> begging somewhere? It's specifically
23:22begging from our pockets. This seems
23:23like a normal topic. Well, the question
23:26,
23:26>> of course, is one that's being asked
23:27with holes in its jeans.
23:28>> It's a complex, long, and painful one.
23:29And as usual, you'll then come to the
23:31conclusion that no one is to blame and
23:32everyone is to blame at the same time,
23:34starting with the traditions instilled
23:35in the plant. But that's a very long
23:37conversation. One day we'll have it.
23:43The most important thing, in my opinion
23:46, is that if we can somehow talk about
23:48all the other low-cost Chinese
23:49companies, you know, well, if we put on
23:52big rose-colored glasses and decide
23:54that right tomorrow they'll suddenly
23:56come and The Koreans, the Czechs, the
23:58Germans, and everyone else will come
24:00back and definitely crush everyone else
24:02—it'll be very difficult to dislodge
24:04Howal, simply because they already have
24:07a production base, and people already
24:09have a formed understanding of this
24:11brand. Hundreds of thousands of people
24:14have already driven these cars, and
24:16they are generally satisfied. And among
24:18the Chinese, this is definitely the
24:19most stable and successful budget
24:21Chinese brand in our country. They have
24:23their own assembly plants, they are
24:24growing year after year, and most
24:25importantly, they are simply making
24:27some absurd amount of money. It's clear
24:29that if they had real, full-fledged
24:30competition in this segment, they would
24:32have to fall like crazy, naturally. And
24:36perhaps at some point we would see cars
24:38getting cheaper, but at the moment we
24:40have what we have, because in fact,
24:41they now essentially have their own
24:43monopoly within their segment, because
24:45no other automaker with such a dense
24:47production base in There simply aren't
24:49any in their segments. And I'll repeat
24:53again that, sitting in 2018-2019, it
24:55was absolutely difficult to imagine
24:57that Hoval would ever, somehow, recoup
25:00the cost of its factory, but now
25:02everything is wonderful for the guys.
25:05To avoid repeating ourselves 10 times,
25:07let's go over the common problems of
25:09all Hovals from the start, so that
25:10later we don't say the same thing for
25:12each model, but because everyone in the
25:13entire model range has common problems.
25:16The first problem, which affects
25:18absolutely all Havals, is the
25:19multimedia. Absolutely. Why it
25:23exists is unclear, but it is there to,
25:25actually, sell cars, so that you have a
25:27screen in a budget car. But it's
25:29inconvenient to use. It constantly
25:31glitches. It has absolutely
25:33incomprehensible ergonomics. And there
25:34is not a single owner of this car who
25:36would be completely satisfied with this
25:38screen. They either don't use them, or
25:40they are completely burned out by it.
25:41That's it, there are no other options.
25:42It glitches in the cold, it It falls
25:44off, it's inconvenient, and this
25:45applies to absolutely all models. It
25:47doesn't matter whether you buy a
25:48cheaper car or a more expensive one. In
25:50any case, it will be inconvenient and
25:52buggy. The second issue, which applies
25:54to absolutely all cars, is the body
25:55paint. The zinc on all cars is fine,
25:57but the problem is that all our cars
25:59that are produced here are completely
26:01galvanized, except for the roof. And if
26:04you use the car on the highway, and
26:06it's completely normal, that edge near
26:07the upper windshield starts to chip.
26:10Well, simply because sand, stones, and
26:12all sorts of crap fly there. The paint
26:14itself is soft and falls off very
26:16easily. And if you chip your roof, it
26:18will rot. So then you have a collective
26:21farm. And exactly the same as the
26:23G-club. Everyone is trying to save
26:25their windshield frame, because if
26:27anything happens, it's constantly being
26:28sanded off by the car's aerodynamics.
26:30It peels off and starts to rot too.
26:32Even though you have an expensive, very
26:34, very expensive car, the windshield
26:36can still fall out at some point
26:37because everything will simply rot. So
26:39you need to think about what's wrong
26:40with the film. So you need to think
26:42about how to tighten it all with some
26:43kind of protective crap. It's the same
26:45with Hovals, but with the roof on
26:47absolutely all models. Also, almost all
26:49cars have problems with the tailgate.
26:52One way or another, some have more,
26:54some less, but water,, and
26:55branches, uh, fall behind the rear
26:57decorative element, which is located
26:59under your license plate. It looks
27:01different for everyone, but one way or
27:02another, and all this stuff gradually
27:04starts to rot there too. Otherwise, the
27:06cars seem to live. Even in, say, St.
27:08Petersburg, where the salt and road
27:10conditions are the most difficult.
27:11>> Don't look at me. So
27:13>> this sentence can be This sentence can
27:15be used in two ways In a sense, yes.
27:18Plus, you can find some paintwork flaws
27:20on almost all cars. Some debris under
27:23the clearcoat or debris on the paint
27:24itself, a hanging drop here and there,
27:26something missing somewhere. Well,
27:28everyone's luck varies. But basically,
27:30for the budget segment, it's normal.
27:31That is, cars turning to dust in, say,
27:33five years—well, that doesn't happen.
27:36Only if it's driven on the highway or,
27:38say, the car has been driven really
27:39hard, say, in St. Petersburg, hasn't
27:41been washed at all and is constantly
27:43driving in, salt, and so on,
27:44constantly scraping the bottom
27:46somewhere, damaging the sills, so that
27:48your anti-corrosion coating breaks and
27:49all that. And so it really can rot. But
27:52overall, it's normal for the budget
27:54class. And the last point, which
27:55absolutely all cars have, is an
27:56uncomfortable seating position. With my
27:58height, with my size in Khoval It's
28:00impossible to get comfortable. I just
28:02don't have enough adjustments. It's
28:03just not possible. The seat is very
28:05soft. The buttons are in the wrong
28:06place. You have to constantly reach the
28:08steering wheel, the pedals are too
28:08close. And somehow, in short, there are
28:12big questions with the ergonomics. It's
28:14a really big problem. I really hate
28:17Hoval for this, because your cushions
28:18are crazy. For
28:19>> example, in your Julian, the column
28:20can't be adjusted for reach at all, and
28:23you sit like, well,
28:24>> this is a budget class,
28:25>> like on a bus. This is a budget class
28:27and a lack of design experience,
28:28because, well, essentially, Cre is
28:30exactly the same budget class, but it's
28:32much more comfortable to sit there,
28:34because the guys had a little more
28:35experience in how to design a car and
28:37more feedback from people. Hoval,
28:39despite the fact that it walks around
28:41and boasts about its Lemon platform,
28:42that, oh, we have, damn, everything is
28:44so new, oh, everything is so cool, and
28:45so on. Well, well, there is not a
28:47single Hoval where It's comfortable to
28:48sit in, except for the M6. The M6,
28:50surprisingly, turned out more or less.
28:53Not perfect, but much better than all
28:54the others. But basically, in the
28:56Julian, the F7X, and the Dargo, it's
28:58very uncomfortable to sit in.
29:00Especially the chubby steering wheel.
29:02They have these bulges. Uh, and you
29:04either need to hold on from above, well
29:05, and with the position that exists in
29:07the Khoval, you just have to sit down
29:09on the bun a little. Sorry, I caught
29:11the microphone. What?
29:12>> Sexy is still too sexy. They should
29:14have
29:14>> hammered all this in, just like that,
29:16>> on the armrest. And so you're driving
29:18like this, your right leg, well, will
29:20wither over time, and you don't give a
29:21damn about it anyway. And so you move
29:23around calmly. The secondary market for
29:29Khovals looks like this. The leader in
29:32offers is, naturally, the Zhuleon, aka
29:34Zhulya, aka Julien, aka A crook, aka
29:36June, aka, damn, it's all those Julians
29:38in the car-sharing business in the
29:40neighborhood. Next up, we have the F7
29:42and F7X, who think they're like the BMW
29:45X5 and X6. Almost as cool as the guys.
29:47That's it. Yeah, but on the used market
29:49, they're almost as popular as Julien.
29:55We recently reviewed it, and it's like
29:56a really big Largus from Haval, and
29:57overall, it's a more or less good car.
30:01And the Dargo, the Dargo. This is the
30:04car whose appearance I haven't been
30:05able to accept since 2020, when it was
30:07shown at some Chinese auto show. Here,
30:10it's called the Darga, but in China,
30:12it's called the Big Dog. Big dog.
30:16That's it.
30:20>> And I think this name suits it better,
30:22because it's a dog. Well, it somehow
30:24resembles a dog, well, more or less,
30:25yeah. And let's start with the dog. The
30:28car appeared in our country in 2022, as
30:30they say. Guess why.
30:31>> Echoes of war.
30:35>> In 25, the Restyling appeared. It is,
30:37in essence, no different from the
30:38Dorist. It has the same technology.
30:40They just, well, washed the dog. Here,
30:43they changed it a little. Elements. It
30:46seems to have become more beautiful, in
30:47my opinion, not so much. The car is
30:49strictly a two-liter, 192 horsepower,
30:51all-wheel drive and an ugly appearance.
30:53That's it, we don't have any other trim
30:54levels. It is positioned as an SUV.
30:57Like an SUV, but, you know, it is still
31:00a crossover. And, like, you can go
31:03off-road. Well, purely in terms of
31:05style, but not too much. No, you don't
31:07need, if anything, to go off-road. But
31:09you all definitely need to be told that
31:11it is very passable. Our plastic is so
31:13good you can rub it. Everything is
31:15generally fine with it. But no, it's
31:17just a regular crossover with a clutch,
31:19a robotic gearbox and some serious
31:21Off-road. It's best not to push it. On
31:24the used market, it costs between two
31:26and three. In our experience, a decent
31:28car starts somewhere around 2.4 million
31:30rubles. And this two-liter engine is
31:33called the GW4N20. It's an aluminum
31:37block. And it has a turbocharger with a
31:39wastegate. We have a chain, direct
31:42injection, phase regulators, and
31:44generally, well, the engine's
31:45technology package. Everything is like
31:48the big guys, everything is like the
31:49Germans, everything is like the
31:50Europeans. Yes, everything would
31:53actually be fine if they didn't try to
31:54put this complex engine in a cheap car.
31:58Because when you take an engine packed
32:00with all the latest technology and give
32:02it to people who really want to fill it
32:04with octane 92, and there's no other
32:05choice but to fill it with octane 92,
32:07you'll end up with what actually
32:09happened with the Dargo in the first
32:10years of production. Your third
32:13cylinder would collapse. in the engine
32:15and it was just tearing itself apart.
32:16And in general, if anything, the whole
32:18engine was tearing apart. And so, well,
32:19most likely because of the fuel,
32:21because you have direct injection, you
32:23get carbon deposits with bad fuel. It
32:25forms in general, and with normal fuel,
32:26too. But just not in such quantities.
32:29And if you fed the car crap from the
32:30start, the engine could have been
32:32thrown in the trash. In 24, Khoval
32:34finally said:" Okay, we get it, we
32:36changed the fuel map after all. It
32:38seems like now the engine chews up this
32:40second gasoline. But why do you need a
32:43complex turbo engine in a cheap car,
32:44frankly, I don't understand. Because
32:47you'll still have high fuel consumption
32:48, especially with, well, high-quality
32:50fuel, like 95, 98, and so on. And when
32:53you cram a two-liter turbo engine into
32:54a fairly large all-wheel drive car,
32:56well, you're going to have high fuel
32:57consumption anyway. In any case. It
33:00doesn't need any kind of performance.
33:02It's a dog. That's it. Well, why it
33:04needs high performance is unclear. And
33:06then there's the problem of used cars.
33:08If we're talking about you actually
33:09wanting to buy a used car, how will you
33:11figure out what kind of fuel was put in
33:13it? Yes, naturally, based on the
33:15condition of the engine. Yes, naturally
33:17, you'll go in there, check everything
33:18endoscope-wise, look, shake and wonder,
33:20and so on. Will your fuel system still
33:22be damaged? And then, when you use this
33:25car, you'll also monitor it as, well,
33:27something technically complex, because
33:28the engine really is technically
33:30complex. And indeed, if something
33:33suddenly goes wrong, you'll get
33:34detonation, you'll get carbon deposits,
33:36you'll get a shitty head, you'll get
33:37the whole environment filthy. All of
33:40this could be present. Something that,
33:42say, a Duster would never have under
33:44any circumstances. Or a Creta, for
33:46example. Well, the Creta's catalytic
33:47converter would break, which could also
33:49lead to engine failure, but overall,
33:50the engine there is much simpler. They
33:52managed to do the same thing in the
33:54Dargo, just from the other side. The
33:55engine also ends up being jerky, so you
33:57also need to worry about it. And on top
34:00of that, they also attached a wonderful
34:02gearbox to it, called the 7T450 or
34:06GW7DT1. They're the same gearbox, by
34:09the way. It's a dual-clutch robot, a
34:11wet dual-clutch system, made by HY.
34:14It's like a subsidiary of General
34:16Motors. And so they put a dual-clutch
34:21robot in a car they market as a light
34:24SUV. Well, there simply isn't another
34:26option. Or I don't know why. So, they
34:29decided that, well, here's a robot, it
34:30fits practically the entire model range
34:31, by the way. And overall, the
34:33automatic transmission itself is fine.
34:34It's kind of, well, slow, like all
34:35Chinese automatic transmissions. It
34:37doesn't even seem to fall apart. There
34:38have been cases where the mechatronics
34:40system screwed up, but that's an
34:41isolated incident. The standard
34:42transmission is still going strong.
34:43It's slow and steady. But honestly, I
34:46don't understand why it's needed there
34:48when we're talking about a large, heavy
34:49vehicle that people try to use on dirt
34:51roads every now and then. I understand,
34:53like the dual-clutch automatic
34:55transmission in the Tiguan. I
34:56understand that, because the car is
34:58controlled, and it's supposed to be an
35:00urban crossover, marketed as an urban
35:02crossover, a car that's strictly for
35:03city driving. When you have a boxy
35:06thing like this with a automatic
35:07transmission, it's two different things
35:09, you shouldn't mix them. But you can
35:12buy a used car, and the transmission
35:14won't blow your mind. The suspension on
35:16all Havals is crap, including the
35:17Havals in particular. MacPherson struts
35:19up front and a multi-link rear. There
35:21aren't any major issues unless you
35:23drive fast on dirt roads, because if
35:25you drive these cars fast on crappy
35:27roads, things start to go wrong: the
35:29front shock absorbers fall apart, the
35:31tie rod ends fall apart, the stabilizer
35:33links, the bushings in the rear
35:35suspension start to tear, and the whole
35:37thing just falls apart. If you drive
35:40around town and don't overload the car
35:42and fly over speed bumps, then
35:43everything is generally fine. As for
35:45the suspension, well, it's a standard
35:47car that doesn't handle like,
35:48really. Oh, and it seems like you have
35:50a multi-link rear suspension, so you're
35:52supposed to be driving somewhere,
35:54pushing your ass against it, and so on,
35:55but no, the Haval isn't very good at
35:57driving.
35:58>> So, we're buying a crossover, as Khoval
36:01assures us, with increased
36:02cross-country ability,
36:05>> which should never be driven off-road.
36:09You should never drive over speed bumps
36:11quickly or carefully and slowly on
36:13bumps, just like
36:14>> with any other body-on-frame crossover,
36:16with a turbocharged engine, a robotic
36:18transmission, a clutch, and a
36:19conventional multi-link rear suspension
36:20.
36:21>> Cool. Why the hell do you need a
36:23crossover then? Why?
36:25>> Well, that's it. Well, that's it.
36:27People don't really worry about the
36:28suspension or the components. They just
36:30buy the car and use it. And let's say
36:33the Tank 300, which you and I filmed at
36:35the proving ground, that's a real SUV,
36:37with off-road components, with an
36:39off-road design that you can actually,
36:41like, drive into a field and everyone
36:43will love it. Expensive dog,, dog
36:47, no need to do that. He's a purebred,
36:50we have to be careful with him in the
36:51city, but at the same time, he tells
36:53everyone that he's done.
36:56>> You know, like a purebred dog, which
36:57used to be used for hunting, but now
36:59they can only hunt the couch.
37:01>> Corgis?
37:02>> No, corgis are shepherds.
37:04>> We're against bestiality. It's just,
37:07well, Nikitos is reminding us of his
37:08values. It's just that you suddenly
37:11forgot, suddenly, suddenly someone
37:12forgot.
37:13>> Well, there's a difference in price,
37:15probably the tank is expensive.
37:16>> Yeah, yeah, yeah. A tank is more
37:18expensive, of course. Well, you're like
37:19, "And they
37:20>> praise the tank,
37:21>> right?" A tank is a perfectly fine
37:23machine.
37:23>> But the hoval is crap. It's Niktos
37:25reminding us of his breakfast.
37:29>> And overall, you can't really say
37:30anything else about him. Well, I guess
37:32another peculiarity is that, besides
37:35the windshield frame rotting at the top
37:37, the rear window frame at the bottom
37:39can also rot because there's a rubber
37:41seal there, water and crap accumulate
37:44there, and so on. The fifth door on
37:46this car can also rot, for example. But
37:48the main thing is that I don't really
37:50understand why it's needed, especially
37:52in Russia, because ultimately, it's a
37:53very specific car. You can't use it as
37:56an SUV, just as a unit. You can't use
37:58it in harsh conditions, where the gas
37:59is crappy, where the roads are crappy,
38:01and so on. It won't handle it anyway
38:03and will eventually fall apart. So, for
38:06really bad roads and life in the region
38:08, I would buy a Duster, which costs the
38:10same. And it's definitely a car that's
38:13prepared for more severe tests. And
38:15it's been tested for a long time, and
38:17it can be serviced anywhere, and it
38:19will definitely be cheaper for you
38:20overall, much cheaper. And even if you
38:23really want a Haval, it's still not the
38:25best choice, as we'll see later. And on
38:29top of all that, there's the appearance
38:31of this dog. I don't understand, but
38:34generally speaking, if you suddenly
38:36want one and you dream of wanting
38:37something expensive, well, you'll need
38:39to make sure the engine is in good
38:41condition, so it's not too jacked up,
38:43and you'll need to check the suspension
38:45. And overall, you'll still have three
38:48years to drive it, but you'll have to
38:50worry about fuel. You'll need to
38:53periodically adjust the robot, and
38:55don't overtax the car. The next car is
39:00the Haval M6. We have a full review of
39:03it. And we're talking about the second
39:05generation, because the first one was
39:07sold in our country in literally single
39:09units, and the second generation
39:10appeared in 2021 and is still being
39:12produced. On the used market, they now
39:15cost from 1.2 million rubles for a used
39:18car that's been used as a taxi. And in
39:21our experience, you can find something
39:23more realistic in Moscow for around 1.6
39:25, 1.7, or 1.8 million rubles. Right now
39:29, according to my invisible clock, it's
39:31October 2026. The idea behind this car
39:33was to make the largest possible
39:34crossover for the minimum price. It has
39:37minimal equipment, minimal bells and
39:39whistles; it's just a car. And it's
39:41actually a good idea, and Haval even
39:44executed it quite well. There are some
39:46questions, but they're not critical.
39:48This car uses the platform from the old
39:50Haval A6, which came out back in 2011.
39:53There are rumors that this platform was
39:55cribbed from the Honda CRV, but those
39:58are just rumors. Of course, Haval came
40:00up with everything themselves, but in
40:02keeping with the brand's tradition,
40:03they simply took the Japanese car,
40:04disassembled it, looked at what it
40:05looked like, and tried to make it their
40:06own. The most important thing for us as
40:09consumers is that this platform was
40:12proven even before the M6 hit our roads
40:15. Overall, it's a very basic chassis, a
40:17very basic car in terms of options, and
40:19it retains the hefty body, which is
40:21reflected in the price. The M6 is truly
40:23an affordable car and, well, in today's
40:26market, it's very reasonably priced. It
40:28has a standard GW4G15F engine—a 1.5-
40:30liter turbo, four cylinders, 143
40:32horsepower, multipoint injection,
40:34chain-link, and so on. But then again,
40:37we talked about it in more detail in
40:38the review. And overall, it's a decent
40:41engine. The only thing we can say about
40:44it from our experience is that it leaks
40:46everywhere. It just presses the gaskets
40:48. For some, it's from the heat, for
40:49others from the cold, and for others,
40:51it just decides to wet itself in the
40:52fall. Basically, it leaks very often.
40:54And the turbo can also fail. Sometimes
40:57it can just wet itself, sometimes it
40:58can start humming, farting, whistling,
41:00and falling apart. But again, these
41:02aren't widespread problems. Overall,
41:04the car's engine is reliable. The most
41:06important thing is that Hall had no
41:07illusions about the target audience and
41:09set the car up for octane 92 gasoline
41:10right from the start. And given that
41:12the engine also has multipoint
41:14injection, it runs perfectly well and
41:16can handle any kind of crap in any
41:18region, simply cruising along without
41:20any problems. The most important thing
41:22is that it's technically complex
41:23because of the turbocharger. If
41:24anything, the turbocharger itself can
41:26slip, just like with any other
41:27turbocharged engine. And that's normal
41:29in a mid-range car. But if you're
41:31trying to build a budget car, I think
41:33it's better to shove a naturally
41:34aspirated engine in there. Well,
41:36roughly speaking, like it was with the
41:37Hyundai Solaris, like it was with the
41:39Renault Logan, like it was with the
41:40Creta, with the Duster, well, and so on
41:42down the list. Manual. It has a 6 MF22B
41:45. And how can I say, zero questions.
41:49Simply zero. There's simply nothing to
41:50say about this manual. There are cars
41:52with manual. If you need a manual, buy
41:54a manual. That's it. And you definitely
41:56won't break a manual. A robot. And the
41:597DCT300S is the majority of cars on the
42:01market. They are divided about 80%to 20
42:04%with a manual: 80%with a robot, 20%
42:07with a manual. And essentially, it's
42:09the same robot as the Dorgo. It just
42:11has less torque. And it also runs fine.
42:14It's also slow. It also can't do
42:16anything with this engine, because
42:18together they don't have enough power
42:20for such a large car. You just drive,
42:23revving the revs, and just endure it.
42:26The M 6's bodywork is exactly the same
42:28as all other Hovals. The roof edge
42:30might rot, but the basic car itself
42:33doesn't. And for me, as I actually
42:36expressed my opinion in the review,
42:38overall, from my point of view, this is
42:40the best Hoval, because in terms of
42:41money spent per kilogram of car, it's
42:43the best value. A naturally-aspirated
42:47engine would be great, too, like a 1.8
42:49with 120 horsepower, or maybe a 2-liter
42:51with 150. Yes, the fuel consumption
42:53would probably be slightly higher, and
42:55the car wouldn't be very good, but it
42:57would definitely be a bestseller,
42:59because then it would be impossible to
43:01wear out the car. And this is the only
43:04steering wheel where I can find an
43:06adjustment for a comfortable position.
43:08The steering wheel is thin, and it
43:09stays in place. Yes, it still lacks
43:11adjustment, but it stays in place from
43:13the start. The seat, yes, is still
43:15short, still amorphous, but for some
43:17reason it stays in place and has enough
43:19space. Well, again, you can see it in
43:22the review, so to sum it up, the M6 is
43:25a perfectly adequate car for the money.
43:28It has no major issues. The only thing
43:30is that you'll have to deal with the
43:32dumb robot and the lack of dynamics.
43:34But if you just need a large trunk to
43:36move around comfortably, and you don't
43:38mind the hull, and you like this car,
43:39okay, you can do it. We've also
43:45reviewed the F7 and F7X. Twice, in fact
43:48. We first took the car on the road for
43:50a quick review, and then dragged it to
43:51the test site and discovered that the
43:53car can't stop at all. The first
43:55generation appeared in 2018, the rezd
43:57came out in 2022. The F7 and F7X are
43:59the same car. Apparently, the F7X has
44:02different suspension settings, that
44:04it's sportier, but everything else is
44:06the same. The car was unveiled at the
44:09Moscow Motor Show, back when there was
44:11still a tradition of holding motor
44:13shows, in 2018. And, accordingly, in
44:15our country it comes in several
44:16versions: all-wheel and front-wheel
44:18drive with a 1.5-liter engine producing
44:20150 horsepower, and all-wheel
44:21front-wheel drive with a 2-liter engine
44:23producing 190 horsepower. On the used
44:26market, prices currently start at
44:28900,000 rubles for a car that's simply
44:30been destroyed by taxi drivers, and
44:33around 2.6 million rubles for a freshly
44:35restyled car, according to our data,
44:37and because we're looking for, well, a
44:39decent car with normal mileage,
44:41serviced by a decent person. You can
44:44find all of these for around 1.8
44:46million rubles. The engines, well, one
44:49is great, the other not so much. The
44:52first one, uh, is the GW4B15, also
44:54known as the GW 4 B 15A, a revised
44:57version since 2020. And it actually
44:59comes with both all-wheel drive and
45:01front-wheel drive. And this is an
45:04aluminum four-cylinder, 1.5-liter, damn
45:06, turbo engine with a timing chain. So.
45:09And what's in it? That's right, direct
45:12fuel injection. Yes, the engine is
45:15average, without any serious widespread
45:17problems, but at the same time, like
45:19with any new turbo engine that has just
45:22appeared on our market, there were
45:24still problems. There were times when
45:26the turbine gear would crumble. Well,
45:28simply because condensation accumulated
45:30. Then it would turn to ice in the cold
45:32. The turbo would go beardless. These
45:33are a small number of cases, but one
45:35way or another, they did happen. We
45:36discussed in the news how the Howal
45:38burned because something in the fuel
45:40system spun up, gasoline dripped onto
45:42the hot exhaust, and the car caught
45:44fire. That's also all about the F7. And
45:46that has also been fixed. If you're
45:48looking at a car that didn't burn out,
45:49then this has definitely been fixed.
45:51Because everyone's trying to put octane
45:53-92 gasoline into this direct-injection
45:55engine. Naturally, we have carbon
45:58deposits, fuel system wear, and the
46:00engine could very well be destroyed by
46:02detonation. That's happened before.
46:04There are issues, like the thermostat
46:06popping off—not a common problem, but
46:08that's perfectly normal for a car like
46:10this. And like any other small engine,
46:13there are major issues warming up in
46:15extreme cold. Well, guys, overall,
46:18everything falls apart, everything
46:19fizzles out, but the car's fine,
46:21>> right? Well, for the type of design
46:24that exists there—this aluminum
46:26engine, direct injection, turbos, and
46:27so on, it runs fine. The problem is
46:30that it's a budget car. You take, say,
46:31an engine from a sophisticated
46:32Volkswagen and shove it into a budget
46:34Logan. A very strange effect. Yeah,
46:36right.
46:37>> Overall, it's running fine, but for a
46:38budget car, it's not always acceptable
46:39—something needs to be replaced.
46:42Something needs additional maintenance.
46:44How can that even be possible? We
46:45didn't agree on that. And here's the
46:47other engine, specifically the
46:49two-liter 190-horsepower GW4C20NT. It's
46:53a cast-iron engine, meaning it has a
46:55cast-iron block. It also has direct
46:57injection. It's also turbocharged, but
46:59it's a successful engine. It also had
47:02some initial fuel system issues,
47:03exactly the same as the 1.5-liter
47:04engine, but those have since been
47:06resolved. And overall, if you don't put
47:08crap in the car, it'll be fine. And the
47:11two-liter engine is already sufficient
47:13for the F7X, given that the 1.5-liter
47:15barely pulls and is under a lot of
47:16stress. The two-liter is more or less
47:18fine. So, if we're talking about buying
47:20an F7X, it's definitely better to look
47:22at the two-liter engine. You'll sell
47:24her a simpler car later and have fewer
47:26problems with operation. But it's still
47:2895 octane plus gasoline. Ideally, 98
47:30octane. Khoval drivers don't usually do
47:33that. And where are you going to find a
47:34car that hasn't been constantly filled
47:36with 92 octane by the bucket? Big
47:37question. They don't recommend there,
47:40like in Volkswagen, that you fill up
47:42with no less than 95 octane or no less.
47:45>> No, the car is programmed for
47:46second-grade, like it fills up with
47:47second-grade.
47:48>> That's it. Uh, well, I don't...
47:49>> They don't write recommendations about
47:51anything. I just honestly don't
47:52understand why she's doing it. Like,
47:53install a naturally aspirated engine.
47:54That's it. We don't have environmental
47:56requirements in our country, well,
47:57there aren't any, but they won't
47:59develop a separate engine for us, like.
48:00Well, never mind. Otherwise, it's the
48:02same as Khoval's. The robot is the same
48:05, it's also called GW7 DCT1 there. Well
48:09, who cares. It's the same robot, just
48:10with different torque limitations. It's
48:13just as sluggish, the suspension rides
48:15the same—if you don't abuse the car,
48:16it'll survive, but if you drive on dirt
48:18roads and constantly have the gas
48:19pallet, it'll fall apart. The body is
48:22exactly the same. The roof isn't
48:24galvanized, so it rots at the first
48:26opportunity. All the other components
48:28are more or less functional. It's a
48:29restyled F7, which appeared in 2022.
48:31The technology is basically the same,
48:33just the price tag and a younger car.
48:35So, if you really want a restyled
48:36version, by all means, buy it. But I'd
48:38consider the Doris, because it's the
48:39same car. Regarding the bodies, there
48:41are also strange videos online and
48:43forum posts about people supposedly
48:44getting inside door panels, for example
48:46, or digging into some hidden cavities
48:48and finding that everything there has
48:50already begun to rot completely, and
48:52the car...well, in another 2-3 years,
48:54everything will definitely be F7, all
48:56Dorgos and Julians, and so on. It's
48:57just that, well, the car will drive
48:58away separately from the body. But,
49:00frankly, in our experience, we don't
49:01see such problems all that often. Yes,
49:04cars rust, yes, indeed, some rust spots
49:05appear somewhere, somewhere at the
49:07joints, say, between the fender and the
49:09bumper, somewhere on the rear door,
49:10where some decorative element is
49:11constantly rubbing against the body,
49:13something can also happen there, even
49:15the roof. But in our experience, we
49:17don't see the entire car rot inside,
49:19even in Moscow—again, again,
49:20footnotes. If we're talking about cars
49:23that haven't been in an accident, or,
49:25say, a bunch of minor accidents—where
49:27all the body parts are constantly
49:29rubbing together, someone's constantly
49:30taking them apart, putting them back
49:32together, and so on—then we can't
49:34even talk about any kind of predictable
49:36service life, because they could just
49:37rot away at any moment, simply because
49:39of poor repairs. And the last car in
49:45Hvala today is, naturally, the Zhuleon.
49:48It's our most popular Haval Calypso
49:50rider, the most popular crossover in
49:52our country with the Haval brand at the
49:55moment. It's been sold since the first
49:57generation appeared in 2021,
49:59essentially. We had a restyling in 2023
50:01, and then another restyling recently,
50:04but they're all essentially the same
50:06car. On the secondary market, of course
50:08, the Dorest is mostly sold, simply
50:10because it's older. There are fewer
50:12resto cars, but they're also starting
50:14to disappear, especially from the used
50:15car parks. Some remaining cars start at
50:181 million rubles. The market ceiling
50:21under Dorist is 2.5 million rubles. And
50:23in our experience, you can start
50:25looking for a decent car for around 1.7
50:27million rubles. So, it turns out that
50:30the F7, Jzhion, and M6 are all priced
50:32more or less the same on the used
50:34market, which is pretty strange.
50:37Because usually, when you have the same
50:39model lineup and different cars in
50:40different classes, the price is somehow
50:42different, but the used ones are a dime
50:44a dozen. We're all more or less on the
50:46used market. For 1.7 or 1.8, you can
50:49get any car you want. That also says
50:52something about the Chinese. But again,
50:54you have to understand that Khoval is
50:56probably in one of the best positions
50:58in this regard, because, for example,
51:00Chengan, X, all the rest of the Cherry
51:02line, they're all getting cheaper, of
51:04course, categorically more.
51:07>> Well, I think this is because people
51:09initially bought Julians when prices
51:11were pre-war, when there wasn't much
51:13demand, plus the pandemic and the war
51:16hit. Exchange
51:17>> rates fluctuated, and so on. It was
51:20originally cheaper. So, basically, it
51:22was initially just worth two.
51:23>> Now it's selling for 1.8. And no, more
51:25precisely, during the war, I think it
51:27was even worth something like 1.5 or
51:281.6 somewhere around that. They're just
51:30selling it for the same. And IXIDs in
51:32'22-'23 were bought there, like, well,
51:34for the same price, they're selling for
51:35much less. But then again, we have a
51:37top list with comparative figures for
51:39all Chinese brands. We talk about
51:41depreciation in detail there. So,
51:43basically, people who bought the Jon
51:44didn't lose out by much. They
51:46definitely lost less than all the other
51:48Chinese brands. So, the most profitable
51:51financial investment, if you can even
51:53say that, was in the case of the Juke,
51:55because the same F7 cost almost half as
51:57much in the showroom as the Juke, and
52:00now it's worth the same on the used
52:02market. You have to understand that the
52:04Jon is a really budget, cheap car,
52:06really cheap, and you have to make
52:08allowances for that. Because if you
52:11look at it from this perspective, it's
52:12the cheapest Hoval has ever produced in
52:14our country, well, overall, it's
52:15well-made. Overall, not bad. If you
52:19just get into it and expect it to be a
52:20car, then yes, of course, you'll be
52:22disappointed by the same multimedia,
52:24the same driving position, the same
52:26overall interior design. The only plus
52:28is that it's big for its class. You'll
52:31be able to carry everything in it
52:32comfortably, but everyone in car
52:33sharing has probably driven a Julian;
52:34everyone has a more or less idea of
52:35what kind of car it is. And essentially
52:37, these are all its problems, because
52:39the car is technically sound. Under the
52:42hood, we have a 1.5-liter turbo engine,
52:45the G15K with 143 horsepower. And it
52:49has multipoint injection, a ported
52:50engine, hiding the H2, which was still
52:52being supplied to Russia back then,
52:54well, even before the factory, so to
52:56speak. And since the engine has
52:59multipoint injection, it was initially
53:01configured for octane 92 gasoline. It
53:04was designed for it, everything is fine
53:06with it, and the car just drives. If it
53:10had direct injection, it would be a
53:11complete disaster, just like with
53:13everything else, because you simply,
53:14well, it's impossible to make a car
53:16with direct injection not get clogged
53:18with on cheap, bad fuel. And for
53:20budget cars, multipoint injection is
53:22just the thing. And a very durable
53:24engine. And naturally, it's fine.
53:26Everything is fine with it. Totally
53:28fine. It just drives, I mean, it just
53:29drives. We often go to look at Juulions
53:31, and we don't see any problems with
53:33the engines there. So, it's simply,
53:35well, roughly speaking, like in the
53:36Logan, like in the Solaris, like in the
53:38Duster. There you go. It's just a
53:39simple engine, it's always clean inside
53:40, everything is fine with it, the cat
53:42doesn't crumble, everything is fine.
53:43The 6 F 22B manual transmission is also
53:46nothing to say, just like in the Mshego
53:48. Well, well, it's a manual. You drive
53:51it, then you drive back, everything is,
53:54well, running. The GW7 DCT1, the same
53:57one that's installed on absolutely
53:59every Haval, has all the same problems:
54:01it's sluggish, it shakes, it rolls back
54:03on hills. The first versions had issues
54:05with the mechanicals, but they've all
54:07been fixed now. Now it's just sluggish,
54:09just shifting gears slowly. The
54:11suspension is the same. There are no
54:13critical issues. There are no
54:15maintenance issues, spare parts are
54:16readily available. If you try to
54:18destroy the car, you can certainly ruin
54:21the suspension, but in normal civilian
54:23use, there are no serious issues. The
54:26body is exactly the same; if it rusts,
54:27it's the roof that's the first.
54:29Everything else holds up as best it can
54:31. There's the same gunk in the paint,
54:33the same streaks, the same things,
54:34sometimes there are double paint jobs
54:36under warranty because something simply
54:38happened to the paint. But for budget
54:39cars, this is generally normal. And in
54:41a sense, the Julian is our current
54:43replacement for the Creet. No matter
54:46how painful it may be, because
54:48in my eyes the Creta is still a better
54:49car, it's better designed. It's just
54:51that the people who made it had a
54:53better understanding of what a car is.
54:55And as we initially said back in 2022,
54:57well, definitely someone will be able
54:59to benefit from the current situation,
55:01someone will definitely be able to eat
55:03into some positions and will definitely
55:05be able to make a good amount of money,
55:07and people will really try out some
55:09kind of car. Now, if you can look at
55:11the Chinese, then it's about the Julian
55:12. Probably, if you objectively compare
55:14it to the Creta, its only advantage is
55:16that it's bigger and everyone will be
55:18more comfortable in the cabin than in
55:20the Creta. Everyone except the driver,
55:22because the driver in the Julian is,
55:24well, bad. Like, really bad. Well, the
55:26seat is uncomfortable, the steering
55:27wheel is awkwardly positioned, and I
55:28won't be able to get comfortable there.
55:30But everyone else will be more
55:31comfortable. The trunk is bigger, the
55:33back seat is bigger, but otherwise,
55:35well, it's also a budget car. It
55:37handles absolutely nothing compared to
55:38the Creta, again. It's not that the
55:41Creta handles perfectly, but at least
55:43people there know how a car should turn
55:46. Jlion seems surprised every time it
55:49turns, like, what the heck. And then,
55:52over time, as the shock absorbers and
55:54suspension wear out, it starts to rock
55:56even more. And that makes the car
55:58really interesting to drive. But the
56:01most important thing is that currently,
56:03on the used market—and if you look at
56:05Chinese cars, if you look at the budget
56:08segment—the Gon is truly the best
56:10choice. Well, simply because the market
56:12has decided so over time. And you can
56:14confidently buy it on the used market,
56:16because a lot of people have already
56:18experimented with it themselves, and
56:20they've already paid for it themselves.
56:22It doesn't absorb shock, after all,
56:24there's demand for it, including on the
56:26used market. And it might even be
56:28possible to sell it. So, it's possible
56:30to find one now, maybe drive it for two
56:31or three years without a problem and
56:33then sell it without losing much money.
56:35Precisely because it's simply, well,
56:37it's taken root, it's definitely here
56:38to stay. And even if all the Germans,
56:41Japanese, and so on return, the Julion
56:44will likely remain. Or something like
56:47the Julion, because this budget
56:48crossover niche, with a factory in our
56:50country making an inexpensive car, a
56:53crossover that can potentially fit the
56:55whole family, and it just drives
56:56without being noticed. Right now,
56:59that's what we have with the Led. And
57:03that's all we have left. There are
57:05other models out there, but they're so
57:07unpopular or there's so little data on
57:09them that it's too early to talk about
57:11them. Comment below with what you agree
57:12with and what you disagree with. Share
57:14your stories of using Havals, too.
57:17We'll keep an eye on all of this, too.
57:18Also, let us know what brand or
57:20sub-brand we should look into next. And
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57:48>> I didn't get charged for the
57:49thing, damn it, it's just an M6 for
57:50real. Who are you telling me?
57:52>> Yeah. Go ahead. No
57:53>> one will believe you in the comments
57:54anyway. No
57:54>> one will ever believe me in the
57:55comments. And yes, and
57:57>> yes, and no one will believe you there
57:58either, Nikita. So,
57:59>> yes, indeed, you
58:00>> can say we got charged, and then say we
58:02didn't...
58:03>> You know, coming to a blogger in the
58:05comments and saying he got charged
58:07something for writing about a used car,
58:10you have to be so ignorant of what
58:12people get paid for in the automotive
58:14world that it's just, well, no one is
58:16interested in used cars, except for the
58:19hyenas who deal with them.
58:21>> Well, I don't share your admiration for
58:24the M6, but frankly, it looks bad.
58:27>> How much does it cost? By the way, it
58:28costs as much as a normal car. Two 2.5,
58:31yes, I think. I'm
58:32>> telling you. You can find one on the
58:35used market for 1.6, for 1.7.
58:36>> Oh, well, used. And if a new one from
58:38the dealership costs around two, you'll
58:40>> buy something new now, a used one. No,
58:42you won't buy it for that kind of money
58:44. Like I said, in terms of a kilogram
58:47of car for 1,000 rubles, well,
58:48relatively speaking, it's the best deal
58:50on the market right now. It's
58:52essentially just a replacement for a
58:54Largus. That owner bought it back then
58:56because he had two Huskies, so he could
58:58carry three, exactly three Huskies in
58:59the trunk.
59:00>> Come on. That's how Huskies are made.
59:02>> Oh,
59:03>> and three of those, imagine that. No,
59:05seriously, you simply won't buy
59:06anything for that kind of money now.
59:07You can't really find anything like
59:08that on the used market. The
59:10>> most important thing is that,
59:12considering all these Chinese cars and
59:13the like, you won't lose money on it.
59:16It doesn't depreciate much, which means
59:17it's well-suited to its target audience
59:19. Especially since the car we rented
59:22was bought new for under 2 million
59:25rubles. Well, because the supply and
59:27everything else were in place. You
59:29won't run out of parts anywhere. It's
59:31absolutely problem-free. The only thing
59:34is, well, it'll probably be hard to get
59:36300,000-400,000 miles on it without
59:37replacing the engine. Well, that's
59:40simply because it's a 1.5-liter engine
59:42in a two-ton car with almost 100
59:43horsepower per liter. It'll probably
59:45ask you for something. And from the
59:47hypothetical bestseller, which is, well
59:49, supposedly absolutely reliable and
59:50just goes on for generations, the only
59:51thing that separates it is essentially
59:53the engine.
59:54>> If you're a sensible person, you'll buy
59:57a Honda Stepvan, a Nissan Sirena, a
1:00:00>> Toyota Voxy. This will all be before...
1:00:04>> How many Stepvegans have been sold in
1:00:05our country? How many M6s have been
1:00:06sold?
1:00:07>> Listen, it's hard to find statistics on
1:00:08Stepvegans, because they're imported
1:00:10cars,
1:00:10>> right? Because you have three in your
1:00:12neighborhood in Moscow and that's it?
1:00:13>> Yeah. Have you seen how many of them
1:00:14have appeared in Moscow? Do you know
1:00:15what the brain's confirmation bias is?
1:00:17>> I know, I understand, but really,
1:00:19>> you probably have a ton of them, too.
1:00:20>> No, there are no BZets.
1:00:23>> I'm the only idiot. They've really been
1:00:26appearing in Moscow in large numbers,
1:00:27at least since 22.
1:00:28>> No, yeah. Yeah, and with time there
1:00:30will be more and more of them,
1:00:31naturally. It makes sense. But again,
1:00:33these are minor details relative to the
1:00:35car market. There are fewer of them,
1:00:37much fewer.
1:00:38>> I know, but I just sat and drove a
1:00:40Haval M6. I drove a Stepwagon, and all
1:00:44these
1:00:45>> cars are just different. They're
1:00:48completely different cars. Well, the
1:00:50pleasure you get from paying for a
1:00:53Stepwagon or a siren doesn't even come
1:00:56close to that if you buy an M6.
1:00:59>> Well, of course, yes. I'm talking about
1:01:01sensible people.
1:01:01>> No, look. For adults, let's say, my
1:01:04mother got a car in her life, well, if
1:01:06I have a limited budget, I should buy
1:01:08something right-hand drive, something
1:01:10proven even by the market, or a regular
1:01:11standard left-hand drive, but I won't
1:01:13put her behind the wheel of a
1:01:15right-hand drive at her age. Well, I'm
1:01:17like, I'll go gray every day. The
1:01:19>> fourth person bought a Raf, by the way.
1:01:20>> Well, you're not going to buy her
1:01:22anything. Well, you'd like, well, like,
1:01:25move an adult to the city, well, no,
1:01:27well, your wife, who, for example,
1:01:28drives on the left, they all drive well
1:01:30, put them in the right. Well, like,
1:01:33what are you talking about? You know,
1:01:34like, a helmet, sister.
1:01:35>> And what about a helmet? Well, like, my
1:01:37knees are new. Who's going to put a
1:01:38helmet on? You're just young. We're
1:01:40>> getting back to our standard, our
1:01:42standard conversation. You talk about
1:01:45sensible people, and I'm telling you
1:01:47that if you add up absolutely all the
1:01:49right-hand drive cars in our country,
1:01:51across all years and all generations,
1:01:53all-all-all-all, all-all-all-all, it
1:01:55would be, like, 4 million cars.
1:01:57>> I know, yes, I remember the statistics,
1:01:59>> yes, I understand that there aren't
1:02:02many of them yet, but I'm here so that
1:02:04there will be more.
1:02:06>> You add 20 more people to those 4
1:02:09million, guys,
1:02:10>> and we'll get there, so to
1:02:12>> speak. We're talking about 8.7%of the
1:02:15market, some values like that. So let's
1:02:20conduct a thought experiment. Well, I
1:02:24don't want to offend anyone, but you
1:02:26could conduct your own experiment.
1:02:29Let's imagine that you teleport 100
1:02:31random people from different walks of
1:02:34life into some random room where you
1:02:36are. Just 100 random people. And what
1:02:39percentage of those 100 people will be,
1:02:42well, some really weird characters,
1:02:45some really out of the ordinary.
1:02:48>> Three.
1:02:49>> Well, maybe five people out of that
1:02:51hundred will be some really, really
1:02:52interesting characters.
1:02:54>> And the rest will be, the
1:02:55>> rest will be just normal people.
1:02:57>> NPCs, well, we have tools of influence.
1:03:00That's why we push ideas like this on
1:03:05people, like you can
1:03:07>> buy hands, you can wave them
1:03:09>> this way, or you can do it that way.
1:03:11And the person can decide for
1:03:12themselves what's important to them.
1:03:13He's
1:03:14>> going for right-hand drive cars. He's
1:03:15>> just comparing. Like, really, if you
1:03:17put all these people in a group, like
1:03:19100 of them, they'll
1:03:20>> all go and buy left-hand drive cars.
1:03:22What do you think? Well, people aren't
1:03:23people, they don't look, they don't
1:03:25think, they don't know. You're the only
1:03:27one with the secret knowledge
1:03:29>> that there's a step-gun, and everyone
1:03:31else is like, ", step-gun." So,
1:03:33Nikitos, you gave us step-gun. Thank
1:03:35you very much. Well, like, yeah, no, of
1:03:37course, everyone knows. But
1:03:38>> look, if they went and bought an
1:03:40Octavia,
1:03:41>> if you give all these, uh, people the
1:03:44trim levels, prices, mileage, condition
1:03:47, and year. And then you compare cars
1:03:51of the same budget head-on.
1:03:53>> People will go buy...Wait, no, people
1:03:55will go buy. Now he'll take a rest. No
1:03:57one gives a damn.
1:03:59>> 8%, Nikitos, 8%. Do
1:04:01>> you know what kind of holy war is going
1:04:02on on the internet right now? Uh,
1:04:04>> you realize there are more LDPR
1:04:06supporters.
1:04:08>> Well, that's not the best thing right
1:04:09now, by the way.
1:04:11>> People are mostly from the Far East, of
1:04:13course, but it's getting closer to the
1:04:15Urals. Now they're starting to get a
1:04:19taste for right-hand drive Mercedes and
1:04:21BMWs, because for less money you get
1:04:23lower mileage, a newer year,
1:04:26>> better equipment, and better condition.
1:04:28>> Yeah. That's it.
1:04:29>> And even in the comments, there are
1:04:30guys like that. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I get
1:04:32it. It's temporary. It's a window of
1:04:33opportunity.
1:04:34>> Hurry up, hurry up, damn it. There's a
1:04:35>> small number of people. You can't get
1:04:37everyone into this. The Haval M6 is a
1:04:38decent car, it's already been tested by
1:04:40the market, nothing major is happening.
1:04:42It costs a reasonable amount, like 1.7,
1:04:441.8, 1.9 million rubles. And you buy it
1:04:46, and you load it with crap from a
1:04:48shovel and don't worry about the
1:04:49availability of spare parts or service
1:04:51centers. You just drive it like any
1:04:53other decent, potentially popular car.
1:04:56He has a problem with the turbo engine,
1:04:57with the fact that it's there, that
1:04:59it's a turbo engine in a big car. But
1:05:01>> this one is a no-brainer. It's just a
1:05:04awesome car. Would
1:05:05>> you like to write a top list of
1:05:07right-hand drive cars?
1:05:08>> Oh, by the way, well,
1:05:10>> you write it down and then we'll talk.
1:05:11>> Only then with numbers and that, and
1:05:13with the offers that exist in the same
1:05:14segment. They sell Subaru BRZs.
1:05:17>> And what people mostly buy, and you'll
1:05:19be surprised.
1:05:21>> Exactly.

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