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0:03there's a jessie smellette
0:04uh video too oh my god and prince andrew
0:07okay let's
0:081886 29 year old nurse sherry rasmussen
0:11was found by her husband
0:13lying dead on the living room floor her
0:15face was wait is there [ __ ] tos in
0:17this chat i know i asked but
0:27severely beaten and disfigured to the
0:29point that she was unrecognizable and
0:31the injuries were consistent with being
0:33hit with a muzzle and butt plate of a
0:35gun
0:35she also had three gunshot wounds to the
0:37chest that were disclosed as the
0:39official cause of death with a medical
0:41examiner asserting that any one of the
0:43three bullets could have killed her
0:44perhaps the most disturbing discovery
0:46during the autopsy was that most of
0:48sherry's injuries were inflicted upon
0:50her
0:50after she was killed which was concluded
0:52due to the lack of hemorrhaging and
0:54inflammation of the injuries
0:56this included most of the victim's
0:57facial injuries and even a bite mark on
0:59her left forearm
1:01even after sherry had taken her last
1:02breath the assailant was still
1:04inflicting an inconceivable amount of
1:06damage to her body
1:07she was buried in a closed casket seven
1:09days later the homicide detectives
1:11assigned
1:12to the case immediately associated
1:14sherry's murder with multiple break-ins
1:16that had occurred that same night on the
1:18same street
1:18another woman had even been assaulted
1:20and was able to give a description of
1:22two assailants
1:23and this description became the sole
1:25focus of the investigation into sherry's
1:27murder the prime suspects were now
1:29two middle-aged latino males of medium
1:31height and build
1:32they were never found and the case went
1:34unsolved for 23 years
1:36by 2009 crime in los angeles had
1:39declined enough oh
1:40this is the golden gate murderer or
1:43something right
1:43isn't this
1:47or no it's is it not oh no
1:50no no the golden state murderer no this
1:53is not sorry sorry
1:54sorry sorry sherry rasmussen was okay
1:58sorry i don't know earlier at all the
2:00detectives began looking into cold cases
2:02to increase their clearance rates which
2:04is when the rasmussen files
2:06educate yourself shut up [ __ ] i'm
2:08literally educating myself by watching
2:10this video
2:11suck my dick um the the uh
2:15the golden bridge murder is also a cop
2:17resurfaced
2:18it stood out from the rest as new
2:20methods analysis
2:21discovered that the dna found at the
2:23crime scene pointed to a single female
2:25suspect the two previous male suspects
2:27were then invalidated along with the
2:29original theory of a burglary gone wrong
2:32the investigation into sherry
2:33rasmussen's murder was then reopened and
2:36the newly appointed criminal
2:37investigators started from scratch
2:39it was soon discovered that a statement
2:41given by sherry's father of whom he
2:43thought to be the prime suspect was
2:44quickly brushed to one side as the
2:46person in question was a serving lapd
2:49cop from the exact department who were
2:50investigating the case
2:52the person in question was a woman by
2:54the name of stephanie lazarus she was a
2:5625 year old police officer at the time
2:58who had been with the force for two
3:00years
3:01she had dated sherry's husband john
3:03rutten in an on and off relationship
3:05throughout college and for a short time
3:07after
3:07it was even discovered that jon had
3:09slept with lazarus after he became
3:11engaged and the two even dated for a
3:13while after sherry's murder she was now
3:15a 25-year veteran of the police force
3:18and had worked her way up to a senior
3:19detective of the commercial crimes
3:21division
3:21she was essentially in charge of all
3:23art-related investigations in the city
3:25of los angeles the investigators
3:27well i'm sorry i'm an ist but like i see
3:31that i'm like that's the murderer dude
3:33okay like that's that's the crate these
3:37are the craziest eyes i've ever seen
3:39dude
3:43i'd just be like that's it that's the
3:45guy take him away
3:47there is no reason to be there is no
3:50reason to
3:51conduct a further uh any sort of
3:53investigation no no ad i already ran the
3:55ad before
3:57went with a gut feeling and decided to
3:59make lazarus the prime suspect
4:01with the collection of her dna being the
4:03very first task attaining it through a
4:05warrant would have let lazarus know she
4:07was under investigation
4:08so it had to be discreetly collected
4:10instead within 24 hours of becoming the
4:12prime suspect a coffee cup she discarded
4:15while off duty was received by police
4:17a dna sample was then taken and it came
4:20up as an exact match to the dna found on
4:22sherry rasmussen's bite mark
4:27there's a stigma around police
4:28interrogation tactics being secretive
4:30and how knowing this information can
4:32somehow help the guilty in deceiving
4:34their way to freedom
4:35yet these tactics have been public
4:36knowledge since their inception in the
4:381940s and the following interrogation is
4:40a legitimate testimony into how watching
4:43an interrogation is a world apart from
4:45being subjected to one
4:46you can know every technique in the book
4:48and each specific strategy and subtle
4:50scenario that goes along with it but
4:52ultimately you have no idea how you're
4:54going to react to a specific
4:56situation until you're actually in it
4:58with that being said
4:59knowing these tactics can still give an
5:01individual some form of advantage with
5:03regards to awareness the investigators
5:05knew that their initial confrontation
5:07with lazarus could in no way resemble a
5:09traditional interrogation nor be
5:11officially classified as one and there
5:13were two reasons for this
5:14the first was that i can't believe how
5:16much your channel influences youtube
5:18views and subscribers for channels you
5:19watch
5:23what the [ __ ] no shot no i started
5:26watching
5:30no dude they were getting like they were
5:33already getting
5:33they were already popping off
5:38no everyone's been watching this and
5:39also it's not just me
5:41uh i started watching it and then and
5:43then mischief started watching it too
5:45like so many other people started
5:46watching it
5:52i think xqc probably uh watched it
5:54before me miz was first that's
5:55literally not even a [ __ ] true
5:58statement
6:00was it is it actually a true statement
6:11ever i know other reaction rumors are
6:12have definitely watched it's great
6:18content
6:22yeah the day before you
6:29there's no shot he was like people kept
6:31coming in here to be like
6:32mischief is literally watching the same
6:34video that you're watching right now
6:37want to come over i can't come over i'm
6:39in [ __ ] los angeles
6:43you should come over here though i mean
6:46literally none of it matters because we
6:48are watching youtube videos that someone
6:50else
6:52made so you know
6:55stephanie would be wise to the fact that
6:56her best option would be to request
6:58legal counsel right away and end the
7:00procedure immediately the second was
7:02that stephanie was not about to be read
7:04her miranda rights before being asked
7:06questions related to the investigation
7:08a defense team could easily make
7:10anything she divulges inadmissible in
7:12court yet this was classed as a simple
7:14discussion between two parties
7:16and the footage that was captured on a
7:17hidden camera was able to be submitted
7:19as evidence under
7:20surveillance footage rather than
7:22interrogation footage
7:23the detectives created a ruse inviting
7:25stephanie to come in and advise them on
7:27a case involving stolen art
7:29knowing they were dealing with one of
7:31their own they rehearsed and prepared
7:32for the interview more than anything
7:34they had done before
7:35their plan of attack was to keep the
7:36conversation wait what did he say
7:42it was me austin you always be austin i
7:43have more viewers in you right now
7:44hassan hello from the top of just
7:46chatting
7:47says the dude who runs 10 minutes of ads
7:49every five seconds bro you're stealing
7:50my content i don't do politics get out
7:52of my lane
7:57what the [ __ ]
8:02he said he messaged you on stream he he
8:04dm'd me on twitch
8:06part of twitch on twitter conversation
8:09as casual as possible for as long as
8:11possible and
8:12carefully waited for the key moments to
8:13initiate the confrontation
8:15if you know my partner hey great hi guys
8:19how's it going
8:21uh well
8:24i don't want to talk about this in the
8:26squadron because i don't know who people
8:27are listening
8:28and if we go to my site everybody's
8:30always wondering what everybody else is
8:31no problem the first thing the
8:33detectives do is set up a compatible
8:35tone with a suspect
8:36she has just stepped foot inside an
8:38interrogation room and the detectives
8:40negate the negative implications of such
8:42an environment through a friendly
8:43disposition
8:44consultative meetings such as seeking
8:46advice over an art theft can take place
8:48anywhere and the last place detectives
8:50would choose to spend more time in would
8:52be an interrogation room the reason they
8:54give the suspect for meeting in such an
8:56unusual location
8:57is to not spread rumors or innuendo yet
9:00the real reason is that all firearms
9:02have to be checked in before entering
9:04the area and they needed the suspect to
9:06give up her gun without alerting
9:07suspicion
9:08but uh like we're talking about being
9:10business but we've been assigned a case
9:12that we've been looking at
9:13okay it's a new case and reviewing the
9:15case there's some notes
9:17to see as far as your name being
9:19mentioned oh okay do you know john rutin
9:22try and imagine for one moment that you
9:24savagely murdered a love rival in a
9:26jealous rage
9:27over two decades had passed since the
9:29act then all of a sudden you're brought
9:31to an interrogation room
9:32very strange very suspicious that like
9:35uh
9:35cop murderers like cops who are murderer
9:38is like not on the job
9:40but uh cops or murderers off the job
9:43uh never you know it takes a while for
9:46them to get caught
9:47so interesting i don't know what it is i
9:49don't
9:51kind of odd right i mean maybe she just
9:54forgot to put the badge on that day
9:56i guess so
10:00and sat directly opposite two senior
10:02investigators bring up the name of the
10:04man you committed first degree homicide
10:06for
10:07john john rotten
10:12the investigators already knew how to
10:14say john rutten's name correctly the
10:16mispronunciation was a simple strategy
10:18to see how the suspect would react
10:20setting aside the element of the murder
10:22john rutten was the second longest
10:24relationship in stephanie's life
10:25and a psychiatrist later stated that
10:27this pause was four times as long as it
10:29should have been
10:30she was already being deceptive by
10:32acting as if she hadn't thought about
10:33that name for so long
10:35giving reason for her prolonged
10:36reflection when in reality
10:38the name john rutten was engraved in her
10:40memory and even when slightly
10:41mispronounced it would have most likely
10:43taken milliseconds for her to realize
10:45exactly who the detectives were
10:46referring to
10:48oh yeah i went to school with him you
10:49did yeah how long did you know him
10:51gosh i went to school and um let's see
10:54went to ucla 1978 i started and
10:59you know met him at school at the dorms
11:04um she says she met him in the dorms
11:07yet left out the fact that they had
11:08dated for four they [ __ ]
11:10for years and went on numerous holidays
11:13together even though she wasn't asked
11:14directly a truthful subject would most
11:16often volunteer this information without
11:18having to be pressed for it
11:20were you guys friends close friends yeah
11:22we're very close friends
11:24i mean what's this all about well it's
11:25regarding it's a case we're working on
11:27it involves john
11:28and in there some of the statements we
11:31reviewed
11:32uh you know there's notes and stuff that
11:34he knew you and stuff oh yeah i mean
11:36good friends um lived in the dorms for
11:39i was in the dorms for two years um you
11:42guys lived in the same dorm
11:44yeah okay yeah dijkstra okay were you
11:46guys just friends or anything else
11:48or yeah we were we were good friends
11:51yeah was there any relationship bro she
11:53keeps [ __ ] slapping the table dude
11:55okay
11:56it's a it's a wrap see this is called
11:59slapping the table method
12:04okay when you do that you got got
12:08to develop between you guys yeah i need
12:10to be dated
12:12you know um i mean is it take notes
12:16these are good jokes that you can
12:17[ __ ] add
12:18to your commentary to spice it up when
12:19you watch the same video later
12:24what's this all about well it's relating
12:26to
12:27uh his wife it's unfortunate that
12:29stephanie's face wasn't captured at this
12:31moment because she would have no doubt
12:33been immediately struck by the
12:34psychological reaction known as fight or
12:37flight her brain would have just
12:38triggered the influx of a specific
12:40cocktail of hormones in order to prepare
12:42her to either
12:43stay and deal with a threat or try and
12:45run away to safety
12:46stephanie chooses to fight okay
12:49okay did you know her not really i mean
12:52i knew that he got married years ago
12:54uh-huh did you ever meet her god i don't
12:57know
12:58um do you know who she was or anything
13:00yeah i met her when i [ __ ]
13:02murdered her sorry well i let me think
13:06i apologize a long time ago um
13:11i may have met her um
13:14jeez the words gosh god
13:17g are exclamatory remarks used to
13:20express surprise or strong emotion you
13:22will see them used continuously
13:24this is a opie white person technique
13:26okay
13:29this is incredibly powerful if you are
13:32if you are born into
13:34uh a a the if you because you know we
13:37all get randomized spawn points but if
13:38you if your spawn point is like uh
13:41uh white this is a very valuable tool
13:45that you can use to always uh you know
13:48penetrate people's defenses like when
13:50you say gosh you're like
13:52automatically people assume like oh
13:54there's no shot this is a murderer
13:57gosh golly gee darn it exactly
14:01so good throughout this interrogation
14:04which is the suspect
14:05trying to insinuate a vague memory due
14:07to a lack of contemplation on the
14:09subject matter she's trying to omit the
14:11impression that she would have had no
14:12reason to give any further thought to
14:14john
14:14or anything related to john since they
14:16stopped seeing each other over two
14:18decades ago
14:19you know yeah uh well let me see
14:22let me ask you you said you dated john
14:24how long did you guys date
14:28i mean why are you guys is this
14:30something
14:31as we know stephanie is a cop and has
14:33been for 25 years she will be wise to
14:36the fact that acting oblivious to the
14:37unusual development of the situation
14:39will be a glaring red flag in the eyes
14:41of the investigators
14:42it's been shown time and again on this
14:44channel guilty suspects will often try
14:46and act naive to a blatant confrontation
14:48as a means to avoiding it altogether
14:50whereas truthful subjects will address
14:52the confrontation
14:53and either refute it or if it's subtle
14:56want immediate clarification and
14:57transparency as to what was being
14:59insinuated
15:00i mean you said i was going to interview
15:02somebody about art and how you guys are
15:04here's i mean stephanie here's the
15:06situation it's basically
15:08we you know we knew that this when we
15:11saw this in the in
15:12in this chrono that maybe you know there
15:13was some relationship there that's what
15:15the chronos seem to indicate the
15:16detective now subtly avoids the question
15:18altogether but instead offers a
15:20deceptively reassuring response to the
15:22suspect he makes a very sharp switch
15:24from the investigative subject matter to
15:26the previous topic of workplace rumors
15:28he brings her focus back to the false
15:30perception of them being on her side
15:32stephanie had just asked what was going
15:34on and now he essentially replies with
15:36we are your friends
15:37we're doing you a favor and we didn't
15:39want to come up to you
15:41at your desk and ask those kinds of
15:42questions or do it bro
15:44i dude hurt you when you can see the
15:46white of her eyes like that dude you
15:48just
15:48it's over just slap the handcuffs you
15:50know this is a 10 minute video dude
15:52anything you know how up there people
15:54can see what's going on if you go into
15:55an interview room or people are in there
15:57getting supplies
15:57i mean so we wanted to like i didn't do
16:01the murder i would gosh
16:02golly gee how could i have done the
16:06murder
16:07afford you some privacy some
16:09confidentiality to talk about this
16:10because we thought it might be you know
16:12something you know you're married to
16:13someone else obviously and so forth and
16:15that you may not want to you know talk
16:16about these things in that setting where
16:18someone
16:18you know we don't want the rumor mill or
16:19gossip or anything goddamn
16:27where your business isn't out there for
16:29other people in your division
16:31whether it be shock or the total
16:33reluctance to accept the situation at
16:35hand
16:35stephanie warily accepts the reassuring
16:37response without further inquiry into
16:40her initial challenge
16:41she instead falls back into her agenda
16:43of having a foggy memory with regard to
16:45the incriminating contents
16:46you know god that's been a million years
16:48ago i mean you know
16:52what year is it now 2009 i mean i
16:54graduated in 82
16:5682 yeah um
17:00you know we dated um i dated other guys
17:03i'm sure he dated other girls um
17:06well let me ask you roughly how long
17:09would you would you say you guys did
17:10oh geez um
17:14i couldn't even say i mean notice how
17:17she now goes on to over explain things
17:19that don't require an explanation
17:21and weren't even inquired about it's a
17:23clear-cut indication of hyper-arousal
17:25and a derivative of tmt also known as
17:27terror management theory the suspect
17:30will go off on
17:30unrelated tangents as means for gaining
17:33momentary relief
17:34going into detail about trivial things
17:36affords her a brief escape from the
17:38terrifying reality eventuating before
17:40her this is a very common occurrence in
17:42interrogations where the suspect is
17:44facing serious charges and
17:46psychiatrists believe it to be a
17:47subconscious coping mechanism
17:49i started school there in 78 i started
17:52ucla set in 1978
17:54i graduated in 82 i don't
17:58even remember what year he graduated if
18:00it was a year or two before me
18:02okay um i think he was a little bit
18:04older than i was
18:05i mean you know i can't remember if he
18:06was born let's say i'm born in
18:0860 1960 i don't know if he was born in
18:1158 or 59 i mean i you know
18:13i mean i knew his parents i knew a
18:15sister his brother went to northridge
18:18um um you know sister
18:21spent the night at my house before
18:23obviously i spent the night at his house
18:25before he probably spent the night at my
18:26house before
18:28um you know i i yeah i don't
18:32correct me if i'm wrong because from
18:34what you're telling me you guys dated
18:36while you were in college together right
18:37yeah and probably after college
18:39um i can't
18:42bro she is leaking dude
18:45she is a leaky faucet right now these
18:48detectives are pretty [ __ ] good
18:50like she went from she went from uh
18:56she went from no i don't know him to
18:58like yeah we [ __ ] dated i know his
19:00entire family
19:01like i'm the biggest fan of him
19:05i know i know him and his family real
19:08[ __ ] real well dude real
19:10well geez um they didn't do anything
19:13that's not true they [ __ ] lured her
19:15in with a uh
19:16they literally lured her in dude that no
19:19i was actually good i think when i met
19:20my husband i met my husband
19:23what state is this in it take one guess
19:25it's not florida and it's not
19:27arizona okay there you go that's all you
19:29need to know these are
19:30uh california cops um already detectives
19:34let's see
19:35i was teaching dare because i met scott
19:37when i was teaching deer up in oregon
19:39but we had long stopped you know
19:42dating before that so you haven't talked
19:44to him for a long time
19:46oh i i think i haven't talked to him in
19:48a long time um i couldn't even tell you
19:49when the last time i talked to him
19:51um i met scott i'm thinking in
19:5592 maybe um april of 92
19:59it was scott being your husband yeah i'm
20:00trying to think i was teaching dare
20:03let's see what year is this we'll be
20:06married
20:07i got married in 1996. i think i met
20:09scott in 92
20:11prior to that i couldn't tell you how
20:12long i had talked you know talked to
20:15john prior to that but since you since
20:17you met your husband scott you haven't
20:19talked to
20:20him i mean he may have called me
20:23uh once or twice before we got married
20:26right um you know geez i i lived
20:30i moved to see me in 1994
20:33because i lost my house in the
20:34earthquake um
20:36uh quite honestly i probably keep in
20:38contact with
20:40a few people from the dorms we all we've
20:42all lived on the tenth floor
20:44oh jeez ah shucks um
20:48there's
20:52about three or four people i keep in
20:54contact with there's probably like six
20:56or eight of us that were all really
20:57close
20:58who are those people oh geez um
21:01diana basta um
21:05the people i still keep i i haven't been
21:07in contact with her in a long time
21:09um i mean what's
21:12what's i mean what's this all about i
21:14mean well let me ask you that
21:16the suspect challenges the detectives
21:18for the second time
21:19and once again the question is avoided
21:21but this time in a more confrontational
21:23manner as the topic is maintained with
21:25no reassurance afforded the detectives
21:27are ramping up the pressure in a very
21:29subtle yet highly effective manner when
21:31did the relationship between
21:32you and john you know i don't
21:36it was kind of a weird relationship i
21:38mean we
21:39we dated um i can't say that he was my
21:42boyfriend i don't know that he would
21:43have considered me his girlfriend
21:46um we just we dated we did things i
21:48played sports in college he played
21:49basketball
21:51his brother played basketball um
21:54we just you know it just
21:58didn't work out i mean i don't know what
22:00to tell you it was like i went out with
22:01other guys
22:02um saw the guys they went on lots of
22:05vacations
22:06um you know and once you guys
22:09split were you guys still friends or
22:11kind of he's like i
22:12[ __ ] a lot dude i was just like
22:16you know just a sea of dicks and myself
22:20you know i was hooking up left and right
22:22dude i was finding
22:23all the just please anything to just
22:26make you believe that i did not murder
22:27this person
22:28okay please is it
22:31friendly not friendly no i don't think
22:33it was not friendly i mean we were
22:35friendly
22:35um i know that we went to hawaii
22:40um at one point yeah i mean i
22:43you know and you were saying that um
22:47it's 2009 now had you ever met his wife
22:51i may have do you know do you remember
22:53her name or anything
22:54or um
22:58her facial expressions are so
23:00exaggerated that it reminds me of a
23:02[ __ ] tick tock video like like a
23:04bella porch video the
23:06faster the beat faster to beat bounce
23:08bounce bounce bomb bastard to be
23:09like look at look at this look friendly
23:11i mean
23:18like that's what it that's what it feels
23:19like we went to hawaii
23:22um at one point yeah i mean i
23:25you know and you were saying that um
23:29it's 2009 now had you ever met his wife
23:32i may have do you know do you remember
23:34her name or anything or
23:37um
23:40um or what she did for a living or
23:44or she so as a cop her not calling for a
23:47lawyer
23:48at this point he's like
23:51pretty [ __ ] i mean i guess like she
23:53feels secure because she is a cop so
23:55she's like
23:57around other cops so she just never
23:59thought she would get caught
24:00but also it's pretty good on behalf of
24:02the other cops who like
24:03made her feel so safe that she's just
24:07like yeah i
24:09like what's going on am i a suspect here
24:12that's not the worst that tiktaki boomer
24:13i don't [ __ ] know man
24:15it's not like the words matter dude we
24:17all watched it because we thought bella
24:19porch
24:19was hot there's something captivating
24:23about that video
24:24i don't know what it was it worked or
24:27anything about her the suspect was just
24:30asked three consecutive questions
24:32relating to the victim
24:33she was supposedly in a reflective state
24:35during all three of the questions yet
24:37her facial expression completely changed
24:39for the third one
24:40this is because she was pretending to be
24:41in a state of reflection for the first
24:43two questions as she already knew the
24:45answers whereas for the third question
24:47she actually was in a state of
24:48reflection and was genuinely searching
24:50her memory for the correct response
24:53had you ever met his wife i may have
24:56do you know do you remember her name or
24:58anything or
25:00um
25:03um bro this person is
25:06is so like this i could beat this person
25:10in poker dude
25:12like she's like physically incapable of
25:14lying and when i mean physically i mean
25:16like literally her body is just like
25:18screaming
25:18i am lying right now i am lying to you
25:24the third question is about to be posed
25:26and her focus is about to switch from
25:28pretending to be thinking to actually
25:30thinking or what she did for a living
25:32or where she worked or anything about
25:34her well i think she like i'm going to
25:36say that i think she was a nurse
25:41and i can't even remember how he said he
25:42met her uh yeah i mean i i
25:45yeah i mean it's been so long ago well
25:47let me ask did you go to their wedding
25:49you know no i didn't go to their wedding
25:51um
25:52no i don't did not go to their wedding
25:55um
25:56i couldn't even tell you what year he
25:57got married i mean you know it's been a
25:59million years ago
26:00you know again i mean what you know
26:04i don't understand why you're talking
26:05about some guy dated a million years ago
26:07well do you know what happened to his
26:08wife
26:09yeah i know she got killed you wouldn't
26:11need to be an expert in body language to
26:13recognize the unmitigated terror
26:15emanating from the suspect's face at
26:17this moment she had just verbalized the
26:18victim's tragic demise for the first
26:20time in most likely over two decades
26:24what did you hear about that like i saw
26:27a poster at work
26:28um i'm sure i spoke to him about it
26:31um i think i said i spoke to him
26:34before the murder dun
26:37no but like dude imagine you [ __ ] got
26:41away with murder for like
26:44so many years and then they just
26:47they just come back and they're like
26:48what's up this is a cold case and uh
26:50guess what
26:51you're the one who did it spoke to
26:53another friend of his about it
26:55um and how did you first learn about
26:58that
26:59jeez someone could have called me i
27:03could heard it at work
27:05um i think at one point there may have
27:07been a flyer or something
27:09i know a good friend of his uh are you
27:11on the job back then when that happened
27:13yeah i think so yeah i'm sure i was on
27:15the job that's why i would have heard
27:16about it
27:17with the flyer um he had a good friend
27:19mike
27:20mike baldrick mike
27:24um i don't think she's still
27:27um you know being that you're kind of
27:30used to see uh john you know was
27:34it everything okay between you guys i
27:35mean there wasn't every anything
27:37uncomfortable or anything between you
27:38and her
27:39um eight separate witnesses testified
27:43that stephanie had confronted sherry at
27:45the hospital she worked at while the two
27:46of them were reportedly
27:48in an intimate relationship with jon the
27:50confrontation was said to have been
27:51highly aggressive
27:52and stephanie had to be escorted off the
27:54premises by security
27:55reports stated that stephanie was by far
27:58the more combative and even made threats
28:00against sherry's life
28:02you know i don't know i mean it's god
28:03it's been so many years i mean
28:07uncomfortable i mean
28:10i can't even i can't even remember if we
28:12had a conversation i mean
28:14we may have i may have i may have seen
28:16her at his apart
28:17you know geez how many years ago was
28:21that i don't even know what year she
28:22you know got killed where was his
28:24apartment notice her passive disposition
28:26as she gives the
28:27vote she literally knows everything
28:30about the dude including like
28:33her brother her sister whatever the [ __ ]
28:36from like 30 40 years ago but she can't
28:39remember like
28:41this person that uh that the love of uh
28:45her life [ __ ] married the following
28:48truthful response
28:49on roscoe okay yeah roscoe and um
28:53um east or west of de so uh
28:58either easter west in desoto do you know
29:00where he moved after
29:01did he move after he got married or do
29:03you know or now notice how her
29:04disposition switches from passive to
29:06frantic as she once again pretends to
29:08have a vague memory
29:12oh i'm sure he did did you know where he
29:16was living or
29:19somewhere in the valley did you ever
29:21visit him
29:22and his wife no no never went out you
29:25know
29:28bro it's like this is like training
29:31wheels dude
29:32she's don't say hindsight like this is
29:35the most suspicious person in the
29:36history of suspicion
29:40she's not even throwing dude she's just
29:42like her face literally just like
29:44yes yeah no no
29:49i could have never oh get together
29:52dinners
29:53no no like i said his sister used to
29:57come over
29:58his sister had come to my place i knew
30:01her
30:01i knew his brother because his brother
30:02played basketball at northridge
30:04um in fact i was just coming across some
30:06pictures that i just can't
30:08uh scan from um i take a lot of photos
30:12yeah she's doing
30:13la noir faces dude um like ten thousand
30:17and i just did a service where i scanned
30:20everything
30:22and after his wife died did
30:26did you talk to him again or anything
30:28yeah i mean i did talk to him
30:31i talked to him probably his parents
30:34probably some other friends um you know
30:39i'm sure i talked to him yeah um but you
30:43you seem pretty old but don't look like
30:45it i'm
30:46[ __ ] i'm about to be 30 but
30:49i don't know what to say about that you
30:51don't you're not sure where he moved to
30:52after thank you i guess
30:54no idea i never went over to visit him
30:57or i don't think i mean i don't think so
30:59i mean
31:00um i don't know i don't i mean i don't
31:03think i did
31:04um i know he lived on roscoe for a long
31:08long time
31:09um
31:14after uh john's wife died and you said
31:17you
31:18may have been talking to him did uh your
31:20relationship
31:21start up again i would say no
31:24bro she leaked everything in 15 minutes
31:26by the way
31:28like some of these other murderers like
31:31they literally
31:32they're like a wall that you need to
31:34breach you know what i mean like
31:35they don't give you nothing for like
31:37days on end and like you have to wear
31:39them down and [ __ ]
31:40she's basically like 15 minutes she's
31:42like yeah i didn't know him uh
31:43proceeds to tell everything about the
31:45dude
31:46and like immediately explain like uh her
31:49incredibly close relationship with not
31:51just this dude uh whose
31:53wife was murdered um 25 years ago but
31:56also the entire family
31:58um again can you give me a year
32:01i mean this is like 2009. she died in
32:051986 yeah i think it was 86 1986.
32:08okay um like i said i'm i'm faintly
32:12remembering
32:13that i went to hawaii
32:18with my friend gray greg and i got
32:19certified scuba diving
32:22um and i'm thinking that john met us
32:25there
32:25meaning greg and i um
32:30after he dude people that get on
32:32tangents like this
32:34i feel like it's such a leak too it's
32:36such a because
32:38it's kind of like you don't want to
32:40describe
32:41the the events the gruesome events so
32:44you're like having a hard time faintly
32:46remembering a lot of [ __ ]
32:47and then boom all of a sudden you like
32:49literally remember every minute detail
32:52about
32:52your scuba diving experience like it's
32:55pretty
32:56obvious that like you're just trying to
32:57move the conversation away from that
33:00but it's also kind of a silly thing to
33:02do because like what you think the cop
33:04is gonna be like
33:04oh wow that's sick like you went scuba
33:06diving in hawaii like
33:08tell me more about that i love scuba
33:10diving like in a moment of desperation
33:13like
33:13the mind is so wonderful like what what
33:15are you thinking in that moment like do
33:17you literally think that the cop is
33:18gonna be like
33:19oh that's [ __ ] sick like tell me more
33:26after he got uh married or whatever were
33:29you dating anybody
33:31in particular and that was what year
33:341986 you said i think he got married
33:36in around 85 86 something like that were
33:39you seeing anyone seriously or
33:41god i couldn't say
33:44um geez i'm trying to think i mean
33:48you know i dated a fireman
33:55randy may have dated a gal that mike was
33:58dating
33:59and that and then mike randy broke up
34:02with that gal
34:03i couldn't even tell you of the gal's
34:05name if i'm even thinking of the story
34:06right
34:07and then i started dating randy yeah
34:11i you know so again i mean
34:14not like i was a huge floozy or anything
34:16but no
34:18no
34:22did you start a relationship again with
34:24with john or
34:26dating casually or anything like that
34:30like i said he met greg and i in hawaii
34:35um you know uh what island did we go to
34:42i think the big island in kauai
34:45i mean when when you heard about uh
34:48john's wife being killed i mean what was
34:50your
34:51what was your reaction i mean did you
34:53thought you heard about relief
34:54went through a friend or a bulletin a
34:57friend or a bulletin
34:58um i mean i called they called the
35:00family um
35:02i i called maybe some of his friends
35:04that that that i knew and i mean
35:05obviously it shocked your fear
35:07if i heard it at work you know um which
35:09i may have i faintly remember
35:11a bulletin going around you know
35:15um do you know what the circumstances
35:18were
35:19regarding her death um
35:23jeez let me think back um
35:27jeez i don't know if it was you know if
35:30it was a burglary or something
35:32uh yeah it's i mean it's been so many
35:34years i i mean i can faintly
35:36think that i may have saw a flyer yeah
35:39may have had a picture on it
35:41you know um i mean that's why i say if
35:44somebody had called me
35:46i may not have known what her last name
35:48was i may have i mean
35:50maybe if you told me i would remember it
35:51bro how are you a [ __ ] cop
35:54and like still unaware that you are
35:57literally being interrogated now like
36:01like how how are you a [ __ ] cop for
36:04like
36:05so many years and
36:08don't realize that like these dudes are
36:12just straight up onto you dude
36:25she wasn't read her rights i'm pretty
36:26sure she's just banking off that only
36:28fact
36:31um do you remember my first name
36:34shelley um sherry
36:38i know something maybe you know um like
36:41i said it's been so many years and
36:43um from all the years as far as you can
36:45remember
36:46you don't you remember ever talking to
36:48her just
36:49well she i said earlier you know i mean
36:53i may have and i'm i'm now i'm thinking
36:56i'd put me
36:56i may have gone to here and say hey you
36:57know what you know what
36:59is he dating you he's but he's bothering
37:01me um
37:03and so i'm thinking that we had a
37:04conversation about that um
37:07one or two maybe i i you know i it could
37:10have been three i don't want to say
37:12i had three conversations with her like
37:13i didn't get her work or
37:15if they're at their house or no i'm
37:17thinking that i'm
37:19you know bro she literally
37:22it's like unwinding dude what a throw
37:27it's like slowly but surely in a matter
37:30of 27 minutes
37:32she literally went from i don't know the
37:35guy just kidding i know his entire
37:37family
37:37never seen him just kidding dated him
37:39for four years just kidding actually
37:41also continuously saw him recently
37:44or not recently but like around the time
37:46of the murder never met the wife just
37:48kidding know everything about the wife
37:50and have multiple conversations with her
37:52like what the [ __ ] dude
37:57just from that alone it feels like
38:05like it almost feels like she wants to
38:07admit it he obviously must have told me
38:09where she worked
38:10i'm thinking it was a hospital somewhere
38:13in la
38:14and i just i mean i could have been
38:17again what year was that where was i
38:18working
38:19um
38:2592 or 93 there was a big earthquake no
38:27when was a big earthquake
38:30april of 92. tangent about natural
38:32disaster
38:35oh what is that face what is she doing
38:38bro
38:39she's so sh she's doing the strangest
38:41things with her face
38:43what what is that
38:51i think i stopped teaching deer sometime
38:52in 92. when you said like hey you know
38:54he's calling me he needs to knock it off
38:56or what have you i mean was that was
38:57that civil was there
38:58oh no there was not i don't think there
39:00was anything it was if the conversation
39:02lasted
39:02uh uh a few minutes i can't even
39:04remember and what is it like you know we
39:05went out to lunch or anything right but
39:07there was no like arguments or
39:08fights or you didn't get heated or
39:10anything like that not that i recall
39:12no i mean i would think that would stand
39:14out i would think
39:15now again if i saw that face i'd be like
39:17a wrestler right now
39:19i'd just be like all right it's time put
39:20the handcuffs boys that's it
39:24she did the biting dude she literally
39:27did the same
39:28biting technique that she used on
39:31her like uh sex partner's wife
39:36she literally [ __ ] bit the air like
39:39i can't even do i don't know how the
39:40[ __ ] she did that yes the face should be
39:43illegal that's not standing out in my
39:45mind
39:46um you know
39:50so you didn't have any problems with her
39:52then you didn't have any issues with her
39:54no i mean but let me let me ask you it
39:56seems like you didn't have any issue
39:58now did she have an issue with you as
40:00far as because now
40:02you're telling her hey you don't have to
40:04stop calling you know she's like
40:06you know you figure she'd be threatened
40:08by you you know i've
40:10i don't know i mean from what you
40:12remember as far as when you talk to her
40:13maybe
40:14you didn't take it as serious but maybe
40:16you know did she
40:18if she was bothering me like was she
40:19throwing things at me or something or
40:20not just
40:21you know as far as you're trying to
40:23explain like hey have them stop calling
40:24me you know
40:25stop playing games you know i i tell you
40:28if the conversation i couldn't even tell
40:30you how long the conversation if you
40:31said
40:31did it last a half an hour did it last
40:33three minutes to the last 20 minutes
40:35i can't even remember it's been so long
40:37ago
40:38so you would have gone feels enroute to
40:41work you more likely would have gone to
40:42her work
40:43and had this discussion with her i mean
40:45that's sounding familiar
40:47i mean that's now that you guys are
40:48bringing this stuff up um
40:53but again i mean you know
40:56what's i mean what's this got to do with
40:57me dayton what i actually want to know
40:59is like
41:00who the [ __ ] did they literally convict
41:02for 20 years like
41:03and sentenced to jail forever uh in her
41:07stead
41:07like was this a
41:13who no one
41:19i think it was a cold case
41:24because like didn't they think that
41:25there was a sequence of break-ins with
41:27like uh
41:28two random latino dudes or something him
41:31and
41:31you know her getting killed i mean i i'm
41:34chad acting like they don't do this all
41:36the time by the way what the [ __ ]
41:39like i know we're watching like a bit of
41:41a propaganda but
41:43i just want to let you know that like
41:45you know if they had caught those two
41:46latino dudes you bet your [ __ ] ass
41:48that they would have been pinned on this
42:00crime
42:05i don't you know i don't have anything
42:06to do with it and
42:08you got something that's somebody said
42:10you know whatever
42:11i mean well like we said we just
42:13literally got this the other day and and
42:15you're going through
42:16it yeah and you see i forgot it was a
42:18cold case next door
42:19right and so you know i mean obviously
42:22it's like we recognize the name
42:23we know you know you work next door to
42:24us and so we're trying to get some
42:26background we're trying to figure this
42:27out i mean this is from a long time ago
42:29oh i know you know and things have been
42:31kind of slow for us and so you know
42:33chief beck has said hey you know i want
42:34you guys working i don't want you just
42:36sitting around reading the paper
42:37yeah so he's kind of pushing some older
42:39cases out even to the guys that work
42:40active cases because you know and so we
42:42see this and we're just like oh
42:43you know we want to talk to you about it
42:44but of course the only reason we did it
42:46here is because we're getting into some
42:47pretty personal stuff in your
42:48relationship
42:49my husband's on the job for the record
42:52there's a
42:5358 uh like in 2019 the homicide
42:57clearance uh
42:58rate was 58 percent
43:01so like
43:04about 40 of uh murders go unsolved
43:10why'd you say wrong
43:24what
43:27i mean the data i'm looking at shows
43:29that
43:32as far as homicide goes in
43:3520 uh i mean i just gave you the number
43:38like
43:3958 percent was cleared
43:51acknowledge how she acts like trump yeah
43:53her face does like resemble donald
43:55trump's mannerisms a lot
43:59it's a resolution range which includes
44:01convictions which are eventually
44:02overturned or
44:03are still in appeal or so probably lower
44:06i mean
44:07okay but how much lower
44:12there are obviously uh false uh
44:15i mean there are obviously conv false
44:17convictions too on top of that
44:22but it's still not going to be like
44:26you're actually wrong it's 11 more than
44:28what you said
44:29the number i'm giving you is like off of
44:32google dude it's freshly googled
44:34[ __ ]
44:37okay i and i gave you a specific year
44:39too so you're like you can't say i'm
44:41[ __ ] wrong
44:42like project coldcase.org cold case
44:46homicide stats like
44:49like what the [ __ ] do you want from me i
44:50i gave you
44:52homicide clearance rates in the united
44:55states
44:56uh in in 2019 and the dude was like
44:59you're [ __ ]
45:00wrong dude
45:05oh he's trolling his 11 more 69 percent
45:08no because
45:09some uh some stats also show that 62
45:11percent of murders
45:12and 33 percent of rapes go solve you
45:15know
45:16we don't want to take the risk in one of
45:17those interviews and even when the door
45:18closed someone's going to get supplies
45:20and see us on a monitor here's or
45:21whatever
45:21i appreciate it i mean i know [ __ ] like
45:23i said that's where people go when
45:24there's orals you know when they're
45:25doing orals you guys will go in there
45:26and try and watch
45:27what are the answers to the questions
45:28you know know that yeah so so we just we
45:30just want to afford you the most privacy
45:32and confidentiality we could
45:34i appreciate like i said i mean this
45:36goes way back and
45:37i mean it was very sad you know
45:39obviously i was like come on why didn't
45:40you [ __ ] wear your badge when you did
45:42the murder dog
45:44like you know how easy it is you know
45:46how easy it would have been for us to
45:48just be like
45:48yeah this was on purpose and and you're
45:51fine
45:53why didn't you just wear a [ __ ] why
45:55don't you wear the badge
45:57um come on i haven't
46:00i you know i when we were in college
46:03some of us would go down to his house in
46:05san diego i went down to his house with
46:07him
46:09mansplaining is an interrogation
46:11technique 93.
46:1493 let me get back
46:18to as far as when you said that
46:22john was calling you to to see you and
46:25during that time you felt that he was
46:28felt he was either seeing her was he
46:29engaged or married did you know
46:32i couldn't say i don't remember you know
46:34i don't know
46:35um let's see my husband
46:38but uh during that time that you were
46:41seeing john
46:42uh you know was he acting kind of you
46:44know kind of squirrelly or kind of
46:46sneaking around
46:47when he'd hook up with you or anything
46:48like that does it make you think hey you
46:51mean yeah
46:51it probably was i mean well after he
46:55hooked up with uh
46:56with sherry do you know uh where they
46:59were living
47:00no you asked me that already and i said
47:03well obviously you were living in van
47:04nuys division
47:05yeah um
47:08i may have known i mean i you know
47:11thanks for reading my comment i
47:13showed my mom oh
47:18oh that's cute as [ __ ] dude
47:24well again i you know did he ever give
47:26me the address
47:28maybe you know i don't remember i mean i
47:31don't know
47:33because the only reason i'm asking you
47:34again is because we've been talking i
47:36know some stuff has come to you because
47:37you're like oh
47:38you know so i don't think i've ever gone
47:42there i'm saying i don't
47:44i don't want to say no i've never gone
47:45there and then you say oh i was at a
47:47party
47:48because i i don't you know i don't think
47:50so
47:51yeah um like i said we've got these
47:54friends we have different we have
47:55parties because i know you you went to
47:58talk to her
48:00at the hospital uh regarding this issue
48:03with john
48:04to you know kind of like hey you know
48:06what's gonna happen here with this thing
48:08but would this ever have followed up to
48:09her house when you went to talk to her
48:11to say hey
48:12you know what i i don't even know that i
48:14knew where they lived
48:16i you know that's what i'm saying i
48:17don't if i knew where they lived and i'd
48:19been there if it was for something
48:21social
48:22i'd i would i'm i'm and i can't see how
48:25many times i
48:25i saw her face-to-face you know he lived
48:27on roscoe did i ever see her there
48:30i don't know i mean i may have seen her
48:32at his apartment on roscoe
48:35i may have met her there you know i i
48:38mean
48:40but you didn't have any issues with her
48:41right bro when you got like
48:44total recollection of like a scuba
48:47diving trip
48:48that you had from hella long ago
48:52but you can't remember where or how you
48:55met
48:55a person that was [ __ ] inevitably
48:58murdered
49:00who was married to
49:03the dude that you dated and know the
49:05entire family of and never [ __ ] lost
49:07contact with like
49:09come on dude
49:14that's crazy no i mean you know
49:17obviously
49:18if he was dating me and dating her i
49:20probably said hey pick or something i
49:22can't remember anything from 10 years
49:23ago
49:24no that makes sense i can't remember
49:25what i [ __ ] ate yesterday okay well
49:27that's a lot because i ate the same
49:28thing every day but if i fight
49:30i understand that but like she literally
49:33has like
49:34perfect recollection of so many events
49:37in that same timeline
49:39do you understand what i'm saying it's
49:41like you can't have it both ways
49:44you know you know you know back then
49:47um i mean would you remember if she
49:52snapped on you and just like hey man
49:54it's my man you know you get
49:55leave him alone you know blah blah blah
49:57that kind of stuff
49:58you know and would you remember an
50:01incident like that i mean because that
50:02would be like what
50:03well you know and maybe that happened i
50:05mean
50:08gosh you know it's been so long ago i
50:11you know i just
50:13i mean that's not ringing a bell um
50:16because the times i've seen you around
50:18in our office i'm crazy
50:20but you're always kind of like real i
50:23mean you seem kind of bubbly
50:24oh i'm pr people think i'm really hyper
50:27um
50:27but i can i mean i can get i can get
50:30upset
50:31you know and and then i forget five
50:32seconds later you know you know
50:34how guys rash you and you go ah you know
50:37um handcuffs this is
50:41the fourth time that i would have
50:43slapped the handcuffs on her
50:45oh my god this is turning me into more
50:47of a cop dude every every video i watch
50:49i become more of a cop
50:50i mean i've done that in the office you
50:52know but it's like and then i'm
50:54you know and then i'm you know
50:57you know i mean water under the bridge
50:59yeah i mean it's like people think i'm
51:00crazy and then
51:01they think i'm crazy at home and i'm you
51:03know more i'm i'm a hyper person at work
51:06i'm
51:06you know i i enjoy my job i get excited
51:09i you know
51:10um i i enjoy the job i've always enjoyed
51:13the job
51:15and then the guys that lived across from
51:16me um
51:18jim jaskell and roy
51:22suckaboo suckaboos something like that
51:24well one of the concerns i have is
51:26looking at some of the notes is uh some
51:29of sherry's friends said
51:30that you and her were having a problem
51:34because bro she's doing the um
51:37i'm uh i'm not neurotypical dude
51:40he's like i'm hyper i got attention
51:43deficit hyperactive
51:44uh disorder like i couldn't have done
51:48the murder i'm just i got adhd
51:50she was ahead of the game bro she was
51:53literally ahead of the game dude
51:55of the john situation
52:00well number one i don't know who her
52:02friends are
52:04um because again i don't i don't recall
52:07if he did tell me where he met her
52:10i don't know who these friends are a
52:12problem
52:13like i said if i spoke to her i mean
52:16i'll go on as far as the lim
52:18and i don't want to say i spoke to her
52:19five times because that's probably
52:21not even true i i can't even remember um
52:25again did i meet him at her plate when
52:27he lived on roscoe for i think
52:30quite a while but i couldn't tell you
52:31how long he lived in roscoe and the only
52:33reason why i remember the place now is
52:34because it's like a
52:35huge dope dope place now where they you
52:37know
52:38it may have been back then but you know
52:40maybe we didn't know back then
52:42um i could have met her there i could
52:44have you know
52:48you know i don't even know that i met
52:50any of their friends
52:52i i i don't i i can't say that i don't
52:55know
52:55that that's a true statement well that's
52:57what i'm reading is that
52:59you guys have problems with each other
53:00and words are being exchanged and it's
53:02all relating to
53:03john you know what i
53:07i i i just i can't say you can't say no
53:11i that doesn't even ring a bell i mean i
53:13mean it seems like yeah you would recall
53:15something if somebody's going off on you
53:17right i would think
53:18i mean i would think from what you're
53:20telling me is when you guys met at the
53:22hospital
53:24uh i mean you guys talked but it wasn't
53:26from what you recall confrontational
53:29from either side i i mean
53:32i'm trying to you know turn my memory
53:34back you know
53:36and i'm trying i can't even i can't even
53:37picture the you know
53:39picture the the conversation i mean i
53:41can't even picture the conversation well
53:43let me ask you i mean at the hospital
53:44it never got to the point where people
53:45are going hey hey you know go to
53:47everybody go to your own corner type of
53:49thing
53:49i don't think so nothing like that i
53:51don't think so i mean i really don't i
53:53mean if you
53:54you know if you say people said that
53:56that's not ringing a bell to me at all i
53:58mean it's not i mean that that's not
54:00ringing a bell
54:01was there a time when you and sherry
54:03were talking and john had to maybe like
54:05you guys relax you know or anything like
54:08that
54:09i think so about
54:12you know ever going to her house and
54:13having a dispute like that
54:16you know i'm just
54:19if i met her ever at his apartment maybe
54:22i mean maybe we could have met i could
54:24have met her apartment
54:26bro 52 minutes dude
54:3152 minutes in
54:34and she is like i don't even know where
54:38we got to like
54:39it's just like
54:43she went from she went from i don't know
54:46who the [ __ ] this person is to like
54:48yeah we i know her very well and i
54:50[ __ ] hate her
54:52yeah i [ __ ] murdered her what of it
54:54like
54:56i'm thinking that the hospital thing
54:59that sounds familiar that i i met her
55:01there
55:04i just can't say that i've ever again
55:06was i there with other people
55:08i don't i i i don't know um
55:12i don't think i ever met her there or
55:14him there
55:15um meaning one or the other
55:19i don't think so i guess basically what
55:21i'm asking is you know were you ever
55:22welcome to the house like
55:23you know hey oh come over yeah come on
55:25over having a barbecue
55:26at this point he's not even saying
55:28anything like
55:30at this point the detectives are just
55:32literally letting her do
55:34the thing like they're not even [ __ ]
55:36they're not saying a single goddamn
55:38thing they're just like come on keep it
55:40keep it coming
55:41just she's dug the hole in so
55:43aggressively dude
55:45whatever i don't know okay i'm just
55:48trying to think
55:52you know like i said because there were
55:53so many of us that
55:55i have 10 000 pictures okay i'm a
55:57picture nut
55:58[Music]
56:01let me ask when you were seeing john
56:02would you
56:04i think if he would pick you up in his
56:05car you go on her you know your car
56:07things of that nature and you guys would
56:09go out
56:11well yeah i mean do you remember what he
56:14drove
56:16well i know at one time he drove either
56:18a 240 or 260z
56:21any other cars that stand out in your
56:23mind hmm
56:26okay stop stop
56:29any other cars that stand out in your
56:30mind
56:38dude that's so strange dude i i don't
56:41want to like be
56:42i don't want to be like ableist or
56:44whatever but
56:47but like i don't know what she's doing
56:49is she like is that a tick or
57:04you have ticks too like what
57:08saying that's ableist is ableist bro
57:16i'm pretty sure that's robin williams
57:22now i want to know what this you do this
57:24all the time you just never noticed oh
57:26my god
57:26stop that's so [ __ ] up
57:30why would you say some [ __ ] like that
57:31that teeth [ __ ] thing you do
57:33it's not a tick i just have [ __ ] [ __ ]
57:41that [ __ ] you do with your tongue yeah
57:43it's me like
57:44self-cleaning dude like a cat like i'm
57:47doing it right now
57:50like this
57:57nail biting that's true i don't know if
58:00it's a tick or not but
58:07but i would never be like you're being
58:08ableist for someone being like don't
58:09bite your nails
58:17what else
58:25you rub your hands together and crack
58:27your knuckles when making a point for
58:28the first time
58:29damn dude chad is like hyper aware dude
58:34they are chad is hyper aware of
58:36everything i do it's kind of crazy
58:38it's kind of weird
58:52you actually don't do anything weird
58:53like this i mean none of the things that
58:57none of the things that uh you're
58:59talking about
59:01none of the things that you're talking
59:03about are the same as like whatever the
59:04[ __ ] she's doing with her face
59:10so
59:15no a tick is involuntary i mean
59:18everything i'm doing i do it on purpose
59:22like i'm hyper aware of the things that
59:24i'm doing
59:25sometimes you stop and stare at the
59:27camera for 60 seconds yeah
59:29i do that because i have adhd
59:33okay are you playing that furry game
59:36today yeah later
59:40you always say i talk about this a lot
59:42on here okay now you guys are just
59:43saying [ __ ] that i do
59:45like that's not
59:56you have a tick where you drop a 60
59:57second outbreak every hour
59:59yeah i do and that's the time for it
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1:01:19you i think if he would pick you up in
1:01:22his car you go on her
1:01:23you know your car things of that nature
1:01:25when you guys will go out
1:01:28yeah i mean do you remember what he
1:01:30drove
1:01:33well i know at one time he drove either
1:01:35a 240 or 260z
1:01:37sorry i wanted to see that her
1:01:40[Music]
1:01:42i don't know how long he drove that 240
1:01:44or 260z for
1:01:46um and the only reason i say that is
1:01:48because i think
1:01:49i may have a picture of it um with him
1:01:52in it
1:01:53um what kind of car did you have back
1:01:56then
1:01:58let's see what year or are you like one
1:02:01of those young cops that like oh i got a
1:02:03paycheck and bought a new car
1:02:04no no i've only had like a few cars in
1:02:06my whole life so what'd you have when
1:02:08you came on the job
1:02:13okay well my first car was a 68 chevelle
1:02:16well like i said as we were looking at
1:02:19the case and
1:02:20you know we read the notes as far as
1:02:22from
1:02:24sherry's friends saying you you guys had
1:02:27problems or words
1:02:28and they got heated you know the reason
1:02:31we're asking is
1:02:32they had mentioned that an incident at
1:02:34her work had occurred
1:02:36and they've also told us that an
1:02:37incident at her house occurred
1:02:42you know what and this is at her house
1:02:44during the period of time that they're
1:02:46married
1:02:49that's just not sounding familiar at all
1:02:51i mean i you know what
1:02:52i that's just not
1:02:56again if someone says that i was at her
1:02:58house and i had an incident with her
1:03:01you know i that just doesn't sound i i i
1:03:04you know was john there did john say
1:03:06this happened because
1:03:07and other people were there i just i
1:03:10don't recall
1:03:11i mean it just doesn't sound you know
1:03:13familiar and this is an incident where
1:03:16you showed up you weren't supposed to
1:03:18show up
1:03:19and things got heated at his house
1:03:26that i you know i that just doesn't
1:03:29sound familiar i mean
1:03:31i you know it's not sounding familiar
1:03:34not at all no you're saying not familiar
1:03:36because it's just don't you remember
1:03:38or just you know what i would have then
1:03:40i'd have to say i don't remember
1:03:41because i don't remember i knew that
1:03:43doesn't sound familiar i
1:03:45i mean would you remember something like
1:03:47that in your life if well i would think
1:03:49what sort of drama involving you know
1:03:51the other woman type of thing did you
1:03:53fight with her
1:03:55you mean like we fought yeah did you
1:03:56ever duke it out with her
1:03:58no i don't think so i mean you'd
1:04:00remember that i don't
1:04:01think so
1:04:05what the [ __ ] dude you don't remember a
1:04:08[ __ ]
1:04:09fight that you may or may not have had
1:04:10like oh it's over dude it is
1:04:13so over dude that is the gg
1:04:16no re baby let's go that right that
1:04:18would be pretty
1:04:19yeah i would think so pretty specific
1:04:22yeah like i said i mean obviously
1:04:26i you know i mean it just doesn't sound
1:04:28familiar
1:04:30i mean i mean what are they saying so i
1:04:32i fought with her so
1:04:34so now i mean i get getting the jump
1:04:37the leap do you remember every fight
1:04:39from 20 years ago
1:04:41uh a fight with a a person who then
1:04:44ended up dying 20 years ago a fight with
1:04:47a person who
1:04:48like i mean even if we don't assume that
1:04:51she [ __ ] murdered
1:04:53uh her person this person
1:04:56if if we're talking about a fight that
1:04:59she had
1:05:00with a dude that she was in contact with
1:05:02then yes
1:05:04yes i would expect her to remember the
1:05:06fight
1:05:08especially because uh she literally
1:05:11remembers so many other details and also
1:05:15has been routinely lying and slowly
1:05:18unwinding about all of the other details
1:05:20that she actually does
1:05:22uh later on admit to
1:05:28excuse me i haven't eaten um they're
1:05:30saying okay i fought with her so i must
1:05:32have killed her
1:05:33this is known in psychology as reductio
1:05:35ad absurdum or appeal to extremes
1:05:38it's a form of argument that attempts to
1:05:40disprove a statement by showing that it
1:05:42leads to an absurd or impractical
1:05:43conclusion
1:05:44i mean come on i mean that's i mean or
1:05:47or
1:05:48what we call a self report
1:06:00that's what we call it a [ __ ] self
1:06:02report
1:06:03i mean she literally just said it she
1:06:05said would you lock her up this is the
1:06:06fifth time i'm saying
1:06:08that uh she should be handcuffed slap
1:06:11the cops on her
1:06:13i don't even know who these people are i
1:06:14i can't even say i met any of these
1:06:16people i mean that's it's insane
1:06:18would it be something you would remember
1:06:19i mean because it's i don't know if any
1:06:21other
1:06:22intense incidents in your life that have
1:06:24occurred i mean you'd recall those right
1:06:26i mean
1:06:27like a useful force at work or car crash
1:06:30something you're involved in you'd be
1:06:31like yeah
1:06:32you would think i would remember i mean
1:06:34i would think if it was something that
1:06:35crazy
1:06:36i mean i i can't say you say how many
1:06:38fights have you gotten into you know
1:06:40in your life you know i mean a few at
1:06:44work
1:06:44well fights at work are kind of
1:06:46different because we've all had uses of
1:06:47force or whatever but
1:06:48i didn't even have even a lot of those
1:06:50right but you know if you're if you're
1:06:51actually you know
1:06:52i mean i played like if dan and i got
1:06:54mad at each other and we threw blows in
1:06:56the squad room i mean 20 years later
1:06:57i would remember it i mean i would think
1:06:59i would remember it but that's that's
1:07:01what i'm saying that's not sounding
1:07:02familiar to me
1:07:03at all i'm looking at the notes and
1:07:06these people are kind of
1:07:08i mean they're pointing the finger at
1:07:09you well and
1:07:12i mean that's not ringing a bell to me
1:07:15so you know i don't know you know
1:07:18that's i i mean she is a cop technically
1:07:22she could be whooping ass
1:07:23all the time you know what i'm saying
1:07:29like she could constantly be getting in
1:07:32the [ __ ] fights and [ __ ] you know
1:07:35i don't know what to tell you i mean
1:07:36that just sounds crazy to me yeah so you
1:07:38offhand you don't recall ever going into
1:07:40her house and having
1:07:42words and physically you know
1:07:45no attacking her her attacking you no
1:07:48nothing like that no i mean that's no
1:07:51no no not at all okay
1:07:57well on some of the uh on this case
1:08:00you know this is occurred in 86
1:08:03right detectives processed the scene
1:08:06things of that nature
1:08:09they did fingerprints and all that stuff
1:08:11you know well you know the standard
1:08:12stuff you've
1:08:13been doing this longer than i have uh
1:08:15well about that
1:08:17i got 26 years on going on 26 19 so
1:08:22but you know as they processed
1:08:25everything uh they did the best they
1:08:26could at that time and they looked at a
1:08:28lot of a lot of people
1:08:29different things in this case and you're
1:08:31right i mean if you guys are claiming
1:08:32that i'm a suspect then
1:08:34you know i i got a problem with you know
1:08:36with that okay
1:08:37okay so you know if you're
1:08:40if you're doing this as an interrogation
1:08:42you're saying hey i'm a suspect well
1:08:44now i got a problem with you know now
1:08:46you're accusing me of this
1:08:47oh you do have a problem yes one hour
1:08:51and five minutes boys
1:08:54it took her an hour and five minutes
1:08:58of literally spilling the [ __ ]
1:09:02tea dude
1:09:04god damn dude it is like
1:09:08did they ever find a single stolen piece
1:09:10of art
1:09:11in the state of california
1:09:14during her [ __ ] tenure as an art
1:09:18detective god
1:09:20damn there is no shot
1:09:25like
1:09:32there is zero percent chance that this
1:09:34person found
1:09:35a single [ __ ] piece of stolen art
1:09:37recovered it
1:09:45doesn't seem very bright checks out that
1:09:47she's a cop
1:09:50there's no such thing as an art
1:09:51detective no i what do you mean there's
1:09:53no such thing as an art detective she
1:09:55literally
1:09:57she was a detective who
1:10:00worked on uh stolen art look at the [ __ ]
1:10:04what are you talking about thanks mom
1:10:14thank you mom got my mom to make the
1:10:17chicken this time
1:10:18well i mean it's the chicken that i
1:10:19prepared and stuff but
1:10:21i've been getting her to at least cook
1:10:23it up
1:10:25so appreciate mom but also at the same
1:10:29time
1:10:30you know appreciate that i'm uh not
1:10:33i don't want to even walk away from this
1:10:35is that what you're is that what you're
1:10:37saying
1:10:38we're trying to figure out what happened
1:10:39stephanie uh
1:10:41well i'm i was you know i'm just saying
1:10:45you know do i need to get a lawyer if
1:10:47you're accusing me of i mean
1:10:48you know you don't have to i mean you
1:10:50know i'm just you're here of your own
1:10:51free will i mean
1:10:52i know but you know you're not under
1:10:54arrest you can walk out you can leave
1:10:55whenever you like
1:10:56well you know i'm trying to give you
1:10:59some background of you know
1:11:00how i knew him and now you're telling me
1:11:02that some
1:11:03somebody's saying that we had this bro
1:11:05she just got she mad that she got
1:11:07got dude
1:11:12this big old fight and i don't even know
1:11:14what you're talking about um
1:11:16you know and i don't want to you know
1:11:17get in trouble for something that i
1:11:19didn't even do
1:11:20or you're saying i did something okay
1:11:23we understand i mean how would you guys
1:11:25like it if the tables were turned on you
1:11:27i understand no um oh that's what we're
1:11:29telling you i mean you're free to go
1:11:30whenever you want if if this makes you
1:11:32uncomfortable and you want to get it
1:11:33now you're starting to make me
1:11:34uncomfortable the thing is i mean
1:11:37detectives did what they could at that
1:11:38time on the crime scene okay
1:11:40and the burglary thing you're talking
1:11:41about that is an angle that they looked
1:11:42at
1:11:43i go but now we're looking at everything
1:11:45else on the case because nobody was ever
1:11:47arrested on the case
1:11:48i i don't know that or not
1:11:53i don't know that or not now what we'd
1:11:56like to do is
1:11:58obviously you know about all the dna
1:11:59stuff and things of the nature that you
1:12:01know
1:12:01gets done on cases nowadays you know if
1:12:04we asked you for a dna swab would you be
1:12:06willing to give us one
1:12:07maybe oh what the [ __ ] even is over
1:12:12because now now now just because now i'm
1:12:15thinking i probably
1:12:16need to talk to a lawyer okay i mean
1:12:20oh i i know how this stuff works okay
1:12:22don't get me wrong you're right i have
1:12:23been doing this a long time
1:12:24and i wish i had been recording this
1:12:26because because now it sounds like
1:12:28you know there's you know you're selling
1:12:31these people saying i'm
1:12:32fighting with her and now it sounds like
1:12:34you're trying to you know
1:12:36i've been doing this okay
1:12:39now i understand why they actually film
1:12:41this and it doesn't matter because it's
1:12:43negligible you can't use this in court
1:12:46i don't think you can use any of this in
1:12:48court but it doesn't even matter because
1:12:50they have
1:12:51enough even without the testimony oh
1:12:54they did
1:12:56wait what the [ __ ] you can use that in
1:12:57court i thought they said in the
1:12:59beginning that you can't use it in court
1:13:10because it's in the interrogation room
1:13:12and there's like a surveillance camera
1:13:14in there
1:13:15or there's an assumption that there
1:13:16should be a surveillance camera in there
1:13:29that's [ __ ] up that's actually
1:13:33[ __ ] up
1:13:38damn her [ __ ] lawyers were dog [ __ ]
1:13:40dude
1:13:41anyway the point i was gonna make is
1:13:45it doesn't even matter because um
1:13:48dna is what uh inevitably got her i
1:13:51think
1:13:52and also the reason why this is a cold
1:13:54case that they like re uh resurfaced
1:13:56because uh there was like new and for
1:13:58new technology available to just like go
1:14:00through with the dna
1:14:02and also when they have her dna
1:14:05there's enough evidence to request her
1:14:09dna
1:14:12because there's enough evidence to
1:14:14request her dna because like
1:14:17she's uh what do you call it she's like
1:14:20already had uh other testimony from like
1:14:23other witnesses and [ __ ] about her
1:14:25relationship
1:14:26like there's a motive there it's a long
1:14:27time yeah okay
1:14:29and and now it almost sounds like you're
1:14:30trying to pin something on me now
1:14:32i got that sense i'm not running an ad i
1:14:34already ran an ad cases and you know it
1:14:35as well as i do
1:14:36our job is to identify and eliminate i
1:14:38can't believe this
1:14:39so if we ask you to a point give us a
1:14:42dna sample
1:14:43a bugle swab so we can identify or
1:14:46eliminate you
1:14:47you should be willing to do that maybe
1:14:50because i know this i i i that's what
1:14:53we're at to i mean
1:14:54because right now from looking at the
1:14:57evidence it's
1:14:58you know it's possible we may have some
1:15:00dna at the location
1:15:01that's great and we're going to do what
1:15:04we can to try to put this thing together
1:15:07and your name's in the book these people
1:15:10are pointing at you
1:15:11for whatever reason i don't know why
1:15:13that's just crazy i mean that's just
1:15:15that's absolutely crazy
1:15:16and it would be irresponsible on our
1:15:19part not to look at it
1:15:20i know you guys have to do your job and
1:15:22i guess someone have to contact somebody
1:15:24so that's fair i mean uh because i know
1:15:27how this stuff works i mean
1:15:28i i i i just can't believe it
1:15:32that's i mean we understand that i mean
1:15:34i know how this stuff works i just can't
1:15:35believe i got [ __ ] duped despite
1:15:37knowing
1:15:38how this stuff works we were in your
1:15:39position i mean we would feel the same
1:15:41way
1:15:42i just can't even believe it i mean it's
1:15:44just
1:15:46i mean i'm shocked i'm really shocked
1:15:48that somebody would be blame saying that
1:15:50i did this i mean
1:15:50we had a fight so i went and killed her
1:15:52i mean come on well
1:15:54that's okay
1:15:57all right well thanks for giving me the
1:15:58courage
1:16:00thanks for your time thank you
1:16:04damn she even thanked him for it little
1:16:06does she know dude all right
1:16:32this is absolutely crazy let's see
1:16:37what okay
1:16:41why is he back
1:16:49oh my god they arrested her out of the
1:16:51door
1:16:53okay stephanie you know you have the
1:16:56right to remain silent do you understand
1:16:58this is okay
1:17:04oh my god this video was the best
1:17:07dude i literally thought that they would
1:17:11like i don't know
1:17:12gather some more evidence or something
1:17:14before they like called her back in
1:17:19yo that's [ __ ]
1:17:22crazy they said you're free to go psych
1:17:28what the [ __ ]
1:17:34yeah you can leave whenever you want
1:17:36just kidding you're arrested
1:17:38have fun anything you say may be used
1:17:41against you in court do you understand
1:17:42yes you have the right to the presence
1:17:44of an attorney before and during any
1:17:45questioning do you understand
1:17:46yes if you cannot afford an attorney you
1:17:48want to be appointed for you free of
1:17:50charge before any questioning if you
1:17:51want
1:17:52do you understand yes do you want to
1:17:54talk to us right now no
1:17:57all right okay this is crazy this is
1:17:59perhaps
1:18:00i like i'm like in shock i'm totally in
1:18:03shock
1:18:08we are back on the record in people
1:18:10versus
1:18:12lazarus shortly before noon the
1:18:16jury announced they have a verdict we
1:18:18will take the verdict this time
1:18:19people of the state of california versus
1:18:22stephanie
1:18:22eileen lazarus case number ba
1:18:27357423 we the jury
1:18:29and above entitled action find the
1:18:31defendant stephanie
1:18:32eileen lazarus guilty of the crime of
1:18:35murder of sherry rasmussen
1:18:37in violation of penal code section 187
1:18:40a a felony as charging count one of the
1:18:43information
1:18:44i mean automatic guilty when your name
1:18:47is lazarus by the way
1:18:49i'm just saying like her family kind of
1:18:51[ __ ] her with that one like if your
1:18:54name is
1:18:55[ __ ] get their get the last
1:18:56name lazarus and then don't do murder
1:18:58that's
1:18:59weirder than than the other way around
1:19:02you know what i mean that's just like
1:19:03you have a villain name
1:19:07yes my name is hassan mafisto
1:19:10like yeah i'm gonna [ __ ] do a murder
1:19:12like i am [ __ ]
1:19:13sorry that's just i have a murderer name
1:19:18we further find the murder was of the
1:19:19first degree
1:19:24your honor i'm john rutten
1:19:28thank you for the opportunity to speak
1:19:30during this hearing
1:19:32there are really no words that can
1:19:34describe the loss of sherry
1:19:36and the whole of the you guys are so
1:19:38stupid every time i [ __ ] say
1:19:40anything you're like ooh fbi hassan
1:19:44monka w you said you would do a murder
1:19:48this experience so it makes no sense to
1:19:51talk very long it suffices to say that
1:19:53the rasmus and family
1:19:55my family and stephanie's family have
1:19:58been thrust into a bizarre world of
1:20:00disbelief and indescribable sadness
1:20:03sherry rasmussen had a profound impact
1:20:06on so many people
1:20:12i was proud that she agreed to be my
1:20:13wife
1:20:15it was impossible not to notice sherry
1:20:17when she entered a room
1:20:19wait is this guy kind of guilty too or
1:20:21like
1:20:23is wait didn't he [ __ ] have sex with
1:20:26her after this
1:20:28to me her physical presence was
1:20:29startling i can clearly remember
1:20:32the first moment i laid eyes on her
1:20:34sherry rasmussen was a physical presence
1:20:36and my heart still races when i look at
1:20:38pictures of her
1:20:39but sherry was extraordinary more for
1:20:41who she was than the way she looked oh
1:20:43my god that's
1:20:44so much worse wait
1:20:47he cheated on uh he cheated on his wife
1:20:50with her
1:20:51she [ __ ] murdered his wife he didn't
1:20:54know this entire time
1:20:56and then literally went back to dating
1:20:58her her wife's murderer
1:21:02that's crazy dude is that is that what
1:21:04happened
1:21:08like after this [ __ ] psycho murdered
1:21:12her
1:21:14his wife she [ __ ] dated him
1:21:18i wonder if he actually didn't know he
1:21:19seems kind of
1:21:22she was a hard worker you never fear
1:21:24[ __ ] someone question marks the
1:21:26chatter that's called rape
1:21:27chatter it's called having sex under
1:21:30uh you know the threat of violence
1:21:34just letting you know that's not a thing
1:21:36fear [ __ ] is not a thing
1:21:37it's called rape a consummate
1:21:39professional a leader
1:21:41a diplomat forgiving tough and a kid at
1:21:44heart
1:21:45cherry's loss the way she died and the
1:21:47trial 25 years after her death
1:21:49has had a profound impact on many many
1:21:52others
1:21:54the effects are broad and span a
1:21:55generation creating pain for those whose
1:21:58lives should have never been touched by
1:21:59this tragic event
1:22:01again words are feeble tools for
1:22:03describing these impacts
1:22:05but there are so many moments and so
1:22:06very many tears
1:22:08and the fact that sherry's death
1:22:09occurred because she met and married me
1:22:12brings me to my knees stephanie lazarus
1:22:14was sentenced to 27 years to life
1:22:17for the murder of sherry rasmussen she
1:22:19is currently being held inside the
1:22:20maximum security unit of the central
1:22:22california women's facility
1:22:28any other cars that stand out in your
1:22:36mind
1:22:39jail
1:22:40[Music]
1:22:46[ __ ] this
1:22:59you

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