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  1. 0:03happiness and the meaning of life
  2. 0:06in the varieties of religious experience
  3. 0:08written in 1902
  4. 0:10the renowned psychologist william james
  5. 0:13wrote that the pursuit of happiness is
  6. 0:16for most people
  7. 0:17the secret motive of all they do and of
  8. 0:21all they are willing to endure
  9. 0:24terry eagleton writes that if the
  10. 0:26meaning of life
  11. 0:28it lies in the common goal of human
  12. 0:30beings then there seems no doubt about
  13. 0:33what this is
  14. 0:34what everyone strives for
  15. 0:37is happiness
  16. 0:39as aristotle recognizes in his
  17. 0:41nicomachean ethics it operates as a kind
  18. 0:44of baseline in human life in the sense
  19. 0:47that you cannot reasonably ask why we
  20. 0:51should seek to be happy desiring it just
  21. 0:54seems to be part of our nature here then
  22. 0:57is a foundational term of sorts and by
  23. 1:00that eagleton means that
  24. 1:03we may arrive
  25. 1:04at a
  26. 1:06at an idea where there is no further
  27. 1:09recourse to defend there is no way to
  28. 1:12further elaborate on or explain you know
  29. 1:16why we want to be happy uh it's just
  30. 1:19that happiness is such a foundational
  31. 1:22concern of ours that you either get it
  32. 1:25or you don't get it but the problem as
  33. 1:28you can maybe anticipate
  34. 1:31is
  35. 1:32what is happiness though
  36. 1:34and this is i think nicely summed up by
  37. 1:37eric from
  38. 1:38important cultural critic humanistic
  39. 1:40psychologist of the uh early and mid
  40. 1:4420th century in his book the art of
  41. 1:46being from writes the following that we
  42. 1:49want to live that we like to live are
  43. 1:52facts that require
  44. 1:54no explanation
  45. 1:56but if we ask how we want to live what
  46. 1:59we seek from life what makes life
  47. 2:02meaningful for us
  48. 2:03then indeed we deal with questions to
  49. 2:06which people will give many different
  50. 2:08answers some will say they want love
  51. 2:12others will choose power other security
  52. 2:15other sensuous pleasure and comfort
  53. 2:18others fame but most would probably
  54. 2:20agree in the statement that what they
  55. 2:22want is happiness
  56. 2:25this is also what most philosophers and
  57. 2:27theologians have declared to be the aim
  58. 2:30of human striving however if happiness
  59. 2:33covers such different and mostly
  60. 2:36mutually exclusive contents as the ones
  61. 2:38just mentioned it becomes an abstraction
  62. 2:42and thus rather useless
  63. 2:44what matters is to examine what the term
  64. 2:46happiness means for the layman as well
  65. 2:50as for the philosopher now just to be
  66. 2:52clear on what frahm is saying here
  67. 2:54if on the one hand we ask people
  68. 2:57you know uh
  69. 3:00why do you like to live we know that you
  70. 3:02like to live we know that you want to
  71. 3:03live but why
  72. 3:05how is it that you
  73. 3:06want to live what is it that you're
  74. 3:08living for what is it that makes life
  75. 3:10meaningful then what people give are a
  76. 3:13variety of answers they talk about love
  77. 3:16they may talk about power they may talk
  78. 3:17about success or simply security about
  79. 3:21pleasurable indulgence or uh you know
  80. 3:24grandiose
  81. 3:25desires to become famous but the thing
  82. 3:28that's strange
  83. 3:29is that
  84. 3:31almost every one of these people will
  85. 3:33agree
  86. 3:34that what they want above all is
  87. 3:36happiness
  88. 3:37and yet their idea about what
  89. 3:40constitutes happiness or what what gives
  90. 3:43rise to happiness
  91. 3:45seems to be so very different and so
  92. 3:47this is an important example of where we
  93. 3:50may be using the same word
  94. 3:53but we have very different meanings that
  95. 3:56are being affixed to this concept it's
  96. 3:59as if two people are both saying that
  97. 4:02they love each other but one of them
  98. 4:04means by love care respect uh the other
  99. 4:08one means
  100. 4:10maybe something quite different maybe
  101. 4:12one means loyalty the other doesn't mean
  102. 4:14loyalty by it and so we have people who
  103. 4:17think that they understand what the
  104. 4:19other is saying to them or communicating
  105. 4:22but until we dig beneath um the word
  106. 4:26until we ask what does it refer to what
  107. 4:30are you talking about when you say that
  108. 4:33the most important thing to you is
  109. 4:34happiness
  110. 4:36what is it that happiness as an idea
  111. 4:39means to you is happiness the same thing
  112. 4:42as
  113. 4:43getting what you want is happiness the
  114. 4:45same thing as having love in your life
  115. 4:49what does happiness actually mean and
  116. 4:52that ends up being the crucial question
  117. 4:55that we are going to explore in this
  118. 4:58lecture
  119. 4:59eagleton says something similar to from
  120. 5:01the writing many decades later
  121. 5:04eagleton says the problem is that
  122. 5:06happiness is so desperately
  123. 5:09indeterminate the idea of happiness
  124. 5:12seems both vital
  125. 5:13and vacuous and what he means here again
  126. 5:16is that you know to get rid of the word
  127. 5:19happiness
  128. 5:20would would leave us impoverished
  129. 5:23we need the word happiness it it does
  130. 5:26convey
  131. 5:28something of great importance to us
  132. 5:31the issue of course is that it's also
  133. 5:34often used in a vague imprecise
  134. 5:38and even as from points out
  135. 5:40contradictory manner and so we can't
  136. 5:43necessarily get rid of it but we can't
  137. 5:45necessarily expect that the word alone
  138. 5:49is going to do all the heavy lifting we
  139. 5:52needed to do and thus as you would
  140. 5:54expect from a humanities course critical
  141. 5:56thinking reflection creative thinking
  142. 5:59uh self-examination is required in order
  143. 6:02for us to really get to the bottom of
  144. 6:05what happiness is about and what its
  145. 6:08role ought to be in our lives and so
  146. 6:11eagle thing goes on to say the idea of
  147. 6:13happiness again seems both vital and
  148. 6:15vacuous what counts as happiness what if
  149. 6:18you find it
  150. 6:20what if you find happiness in
  151. 6:22terrorizing old ladies someone who is
  152. 6:24determined to become an actor may spend
  153. 6:27fruitless hours auditioning while living
  154. 6:30on a pittance for much of the time she's
  155. 6:32anxious dispirited and mildly hungry she
  156. 6:35is not what we would usually call happy
  157. 6:38her life is not pleasant or enjoyable
  158. 6:41yet she is so to speak prepared to
  159. 6:43sacrifice her happiness
  160. 6:45to her happiness
  161. 6:47and there
  162. 6:48the issue is what kind of happiness are
  163. 6:51we willing to sacrifice to achieve other
  164. 6:53kinds of happiness
  165. 6:54what do we mean by happiness and what
  166. 6:57are we to make of the fact that uh in
  167. 6:59for some of us
  168. 7:00happiness is is pleasure and yet there
  169. 7:04are things that are so important to us
  170. 7:06and that give us a deep uh we might say
  171. 7:09sense of happiness which has nothing to
  172. 7:12do with pleasure are we misunderstanding
  173. 7:15these experiences are we using one word
  174. 7:19too loosely where perhaps we need a
  175. 7:21couple of different distinct concepts
  176. 7:24how do we make sense of happiness
  177. 7:28now
  178. 7:28uh early on it's it's interesting to
  179. 7:31note here that in uh an essay on man
  180. 7:34written in 1733 the english poet
  181. 7:37alexander pope suggested that there
  182. 7:40really wasn't much uh
  183. 7:43value in exploring visions of happiness
  184. 7:47from the past that really were kind of
  185. 7:50wasting our time uh pope wrote ask of
  186. 7:53the learned the way
  187. 7:54the learned are blind this bids to serve
  188. 7:58and that to shun mankind some place the
  189. 8:02bliss in action some in ease those call
  190. 8:05it pleasure and contentment these
  191. 8:08who thus define it say they more or less
  192. 8:11than this that happiness
  193. 8:13is happiness
  194. 8:15and of course what he's getting at here
  195. 8:17is
  196. 8:18everybody is using the same dang word
  197. 8:21the same idea mouthing the same phrase
  198. 8:23the same uh the same idea but they don't
  199. 8:27mean the same thing and at the end of
  200. 8:29the day it comes down to something as
  201. 8:31basic as happiness is happiness and we
  202. 8:34don't really know how to communicate it
  203. 8:36i communicate about it so we might as
  204. 8:38well just uh go with it but to this
  205. 8:41sissel about
  206. 8:43objects she argues that pope's dismissal
  207. 8:47of the competing and yes at times
  208. 8:49discordant contradictory conflicting
  209. 8:52definitions and visions of happiness is
  210. 8:55misguided
  211. 8:56according to bach grappling with these
  212. 8:58competing visions
  213. 9:00enables us to better understand the
  214. 9:03human condition and even give us a
  215. 9:06better chance at happiness and so this
  216. 9:09is what bach writes helping us to
  217. 9:11understand happiness better is hardly
  218. 9:14the aim of those thinkers who are most
  219. 9:16certain that their own definition of
  220. 9:18happiness is the only legitimate one
  221. 9:22there is no one definition of happiness
  222. 9:24i suggest that should exclude all others
  223. 9:28much less be imposed by force or
  224. 9:30indoctrination we need to look at the
  225. 9:34different ones together and consider the
  226. 9:37roles they have played in human lives
  227. 9:39weighing the evidence they offer and the
  228. 9:41practical implications for how to live
  229. 9:44and how best to serve pursue happiness
  230. 9:47and so i'll just add here that you know
  231. 9:50you will encounter a variety of visions
  232. 9:53of what happiness is and i'm going to
  233. 9:55present some criticisms of some of those
  234. 9:57visions we're also going to be exploring
  235. 10:01throughout
  236. 10:02this particular portion of the course
  237. 10:04different visions of what might be
  238. 10:07credible theories of a good life and i
  239. 10:10certainly am not here to tell you what
  240. 10:12happiness is definitively or what a good
  241. 10:15life is definitively
  242. 10:17however i think that bach has got a
  243. 10:19really important point here in that
  244. 10:22even if we don't have some concrete
  245. 10:26sense of what is objectively
  246. 10:29and with certainty
  247. 10:31counted as happiness
  248. 10:33just by exploring
  249. 10:36the
  250. 10:36arguments and the critiques
  251. 10:39this conception
  252. 10:41juxtaposed with this conception
  253. 10:43we are given an opportunity to reflect
  254. 10:46on which of these visions
  255. 10:49best
  256. 10:50sits well with us which of these visions
  257. 10:53resonates with our own
  258. 10:56fundamental beliefs and values and which
  259. 10:59one of them does appear to be
  260. 11:02problematic which one of the criticisms
  261. 11:06that you hear
  262. 11:07does a really good job of pointing out
  263. 11:10what is wrong
  264. 11:11with one way of thinking about happiness
  265. 11:13that you might have been hanging on to
  266. 11:16or holding on to and so i think that
  267. 11:18even if we can't get to some you know
  268. 11:20perfect clarity on what happiness is or
  269. 11:23which of these conceptions is best at
  270. 11:26the very least by going through them and
  271. 11:29hearing out different points of view and
  272. 11:30working through some thought experiments
  273. 11:32and doing some reflections we gain some
  274. 11:35vital clarity that really does much more
  275. 11:38than a grade or a mere class really does
  276. 11:41give us some resources
  277. 11:44to draw on in order to live lives uh of
  278. 11:48of more happiness
  279. 11:50whatever happiness happens to be
  280. 11:52so i want to ask you at this point
  281. 11:55to take a moment
  282. 11:57and
  283. 11:58put some initial thoughts to paper or to
  284. 12:03uh keyboard so to speak
  285. 12:05so for
  286. 12:06part one of what is going to be a
  287. 12:09multi-part journal entry on happiness
  288. 12:13i'm going to ask you first of all
  289. 12:15to
  290. 12:17reflect on the question and i i'm only
  291. 12:19asking that you spend
  292. 12:21maybe let's give it a total of like
  293. 12:24three to five minutes
  294. 12:26um what do most people mean by happiness
  295. 12:30um
  296. 12:31what do most people you think based on
  297. 12:34your experience you've probably been
  298. 12:36around some people at some point in your
  299. 12:37life
  300. 12:38what do you think most people
  301. 12:41understand happiness to mean to be about
  302. 12:44what is happening when they say they
  303. 12:45want to be happy or that they are happy
  304. 12:47or that they're going to be happy
  305. 12:49what are they referring to what are they
  306. 12:52pointing to
  307. 12:53what are they what are they trying to
  308. 12:55convey
  309. 12:57what meanings are they
  310. 12:59are they discussing so again this the
  311. 13:01very basic question is
  312. 13:04what do most people mean by happiness uh
  313. 13:06just pause the video here take
  314. 13:09three to five minutes uh there's no word
  315. 13:12count requirement on this uh you know at
  316. 13:14least a couple of sentences bare minimum
  317. 13:16uh what do most people mean by happiness
  318. 13:19as far as you can tell
  319. 13:21okay and now i want you to take another
  320. 13:23three minutes three to five minutes
  321. 13:26again a few sentences bare minimum
  322. 13:29paragraph would be great
  323. 13:31but again no word count requirement here
  324. 13:34i just want you to put your thoughts on
  325. 13:35paper
  326. 13:38what is your
  327. 13:40notion of happiness
  328. 13:42now again you may not have a super
  329. 13:43refined idea here
  330. 13:46there's no point in going to you know
  331. 13:49a web search or a google search here i
  332. 13:52mean just put the first thoughts that
  333. 13:54come to your mind uh on paper on
  334. 13:57keyboard uh just just write out your
  335. 14:00thoughts what does happiness mean what
  336. 14:02is happiness about uh to you and also
  337. 14:06just add uh out a line or two on
  338. 14:10do you agree that happiness is of
  339. 14:13central concern is happiness um one of
  340. 14:16the most important things to human
  341. 14:19beings or do you have a different take
  342. 14:21on the importance of of happiness so
  343. 14:24again the first question that i asked
  344. 14:25you to briefly reflect on is what do
  345. 14:28most people mean by happiness and then
  346. 14:31now i'm asking you to write what your
  347. 14:34vision of happiness is what it looks
  348. 14:36like what it emphasizes and whether or
  349. 14:38not you agree
  350. 14:40with the idea that happiness is of
  351. 14:44central
  352. 14:45importance in human existence and let me
  353. 14:48also ask you to go ahead and weigh in on
  354. 14:52whether or not
  355. 14:53you think
  356. 14:54that
  357. 14:56there are things that are more important
  358. 14:58than happiness
  359. 15:00is there anything more important than
  360. 15:02happiness that's a crucial question give
  361. 15:05at least your brief two cents on that
  362. 15:08question
  363. 15:09is
  364. 15:10um are there things more important than
  365. 15:12happiness and if so if you got a couple
  366. 15:14ideas jot one or two down bullet points
  367. 15:17are perfectly fine
  368. 15:19all right so with those ideas in mind
  369. 15:22just set that aside we'll we'll come
  370. 15:23back to that in a bit well actually
  371. 15:25sooner than later
  372. 15:27i want to take up the question is
  373. 15:30happiness all that really matters now
  374. 15:32the last question that i asked you was
  375. 15:35do you think that there are some things
  376. 15:37that are even more important than
  377. 15:39happiness
  378. 15:40now there are at least quite a few
  379. 15:42people whose intuition initially says
  380. 15:46no i mean
  381. 15:48happiness is kind of the crown jewel of
  382. 15:50human existence it's
  383. 15:52it's perhaps
  384. 15:53the the main thing it's it's what what
  385. 15:56everything gives everything else
  386. 15:58significance or meaning
  387. 16:00is
  388. 16:01happiness happiness as the end happiness
  389. 16:04as the goal as ultimate purpose
  390. 16:07yet there's a very interesting thought
  391. 16:09experiment
  392. 16:10by robert nazak called the experience
  393. 16:12machine
  394. 16:13which calls that into question
  395. 16:16robert nasik was an american philosopher
  396. 16:19and he used the the experience machine
  397. 16:22to challenge the idea that happiness
  398. 16:25itself alone was sufficient for a good
  399. 16:28life his intuition was that we needed
  400. 16:32more than happiness to lead a truly good
  401. 16:34life and so he gave us this thought
  402. 16:36experiment in 1974 he says
  403. 16:39suppose there were an experience machine
  404. 16:42that could give you an experience you
  405. 16:44desired super duper neuropsychologists
  406. 16:47could stimulate your brain so that you
  407. 16:50would think and feel you're writing a
  408. 16:52great novel or making a friend or
  409. 16:56reading an interesting book
  410. 16:57all the time you would be floating in a
  411. 17:00tank with electrodes attached to your
  412. 17:03brain should you plug into this machine
  413. 17:06for life
  414. 17:07pre-programming your life's experience
  415. 17:10and that's the question
  416. 17:12now i want to just flush this uh this
  417. 17:14this thought experiment out just a
  418. 17:15little bit more
  419. 17:17and i'm sure you have some cultural
  420. 17:19encounters with film or graphic uh
  421. 17:22comics or tv series or books you've read
  422. 17:25that present a similar
  423. 17:27sort of scenario
  424. 17:29but i want you to imagine
  425. 17:31that
  426. 17:32if you enter this machine
  427. 17:34you are going to
  428. 17:36believe you are important
  429. 17:40you are going to you are going to feel
  430. 17:42that you are
  431. 17:43developing your potential
  432. 17:46you are going to in this machine
  433. 17:49the machine will be programmed with
  434. 17:51everything that's important to you your
  435. 17:53family members are going to be there
  436. 17:56you're going to have the most perfect
  437. 17:58amazing love
  438. 17:59in your life and if you're worried that
  439. 18:01you know a perfect experience machine is
  440. 18:04going to give you a utopia that would
  441. 18:06actually hinder you don't worry about
  442. 18:08that the experience machine is going to
  443. 18:10also feature some ups and downs because
  444. 18:13as people like to say it's hard to know
  445. 18:15when you're up if you've never been down
  446. 18:17it's hard to know what pleasure is if
  447. 18:18you haven't suffered and the experience
  448. 18:20machine is going to give you all of that
  449. 18:22it's been worked out perfectly
  450. 18:25the only thing is
  451. 18:27you're guaranteed to succeed now if you
  452. 18:30stay out here in life you might do
  453. 18:32wonderful things you might
  454. 18:35achieve great things have wonderful
  455. 18:37professional life uh have wonderful
  456. 18:39relationships with other people but you
  457. 18:42and i both know that out here in the
  458. 18:44real world there's always a chance of
  459. 18:46failure and it's not just a small chance
  460. 18:49is a pretty big chance and actually our
  461. 18:51lives even though they often may feature
  462. 18:54some important success
  463. 18:56there's lots of failure along the way
  464. 18:59and the difference is the experience
  465. 19:02machine is going to look almost exactly
  466. 19:05like life
  467. 19:06the only difference is
  468. 19:08everything is going to work out now
  469. 19:10there's only one problem with all that
  470. 19:12in that it's completely fake
  471. 19:14there's nothing real about the
  472. 19:16experience machine it's a purely virtual
  473. 19:19reality there's no actual people the
  474. 19:22person that you're in love with doesn't
  475. 19:23actually exist the family members that
  476. 19:25are part of your life don't actually
  477. 19:27exist who knows what's going on with
  478. 19:28them outside in the real world
  479. 19:31it's just you now if you want to make
  480. 19:34this thing a little more interesting you
  481. 19:36say well um you know maybe i'll bring
  482. 19:40some of my loved ones and we'll plug
  483. 19:41into the same machine first of all it's
  484. 19:43not exactly clear that you're all going
  485. 19:45to get the same virtual experience
  486. 19:47because maybe your utopia isn't theirs
  487. 19:50but i'm asking you once again the
  488. 19:51question and i'm going to have you
  489. 19:53pause the video here in just a moment to
  490. 19:56answer this question
  491. 19:58um
  492. 19:59would you
  493. 20:01enter the experience machine imagine
  494. 20:05that the experience machine is going to
  495. 20:07simulate adversity and it's going to
  496. 20:10simulate all
  497. 20:11of the loved ones necessary to give you
  498. 20:16a feeling of that kind of complete
  499. 20:19happiness my question to you
  500. 20:22is
  501. 20:23two part one would you enter the
  502. 20:26experience machine or would you continue
  503. 20:29to risk it out here in the real world
  504. 20:31and do do yourself a favor don't get
  505. 20:34caught up in the fact that this is a
  506. 20:37thought experiment don't say to yourself
  507. 20:39oh well it's it's like the humanities
  508. 20:41and philosophy to give us some
  509. 20:44silly scenario first of all um and
  510. 20:48really last of all the purpose of the
  511. 20:50thought experiment
  512. 20:52is to help us
  513. 20:55think more clearly
  514. 20:57and in order to really test our
  515. 21:00beliefs and our ideas
  516. 21:02about happiness we have to go outside of
  517. 21:05the purely empirical
  518. 21:07uh world we have to go into the world of
  519. 21:10the mind and this thought experiment
  520. 21:13gives you that opportunity to develop
  521. 21:16some clarity about what you really
  522. 21:18believe in and also about what you value
  523. 21:21so again the two-part question is this
  524. 21:23would you enter the experience machine
  525. 21:27or continue in the real world and
  526. 21:29secondly what would be the pros and cons
  527. 21:31of your decision i mean even if you're
  528. 21:33going to do it or not do it presumably
  529. 21:35you can see a few pros and cons on both
  530. 21:38sides of this question
  531. 21:40and so why would you make your choice
  532. 21:43would you enter the experience machine
  533. 21:45or not and why would you make that
  534. 21:48choice what would the pros and cons be
  535. 21:50now for this i want you to spend a solid
  536. 21:53seven minutes
  537. 21:55give us you know a decent paragraph
  538. 21:59this is essentially part three
  539. 22:02uh though the earlier two questions were
  540. 22:05really quite short
  541. 22:06uh so you know this should be you know
  542. 22:08at least the same length as the first
  543. 22:11two shorter questions that i asked you
  544. 22:13so give this a solid uh five to seven
  545. 22:16minutes would you enter the experience
  546. 22:18machine why or why not
  547. 22:21go ahead and pause the video and put
  548. 22:23your thoughts to paper
  549. 22:25so sis laba contends that
  550. 22:28nazic's thought experiment raises key
  551. 22:31questions about the meaning or nature of
  552. 22:35happiness
  553. 22:36bach writes should we care whether the
  554. 22:38experience making us happy is real
  555. 22:41and if so
  556. 22:42real in what sense for example if your
  557. 22:46experience is a simulation
  558. 22:48you may be having a physical response to
  559. 22:52the
  560. 22:53stimuli that is a part of that
  561. 22:55stimulation so uh simulation so there is
  562. 22:58something real
  563. 22:59that you are uh experiencing uh you
  564. 23:03might be feeling uh excitement you might
  565. 23:06be feeling a sense of of pleasure
  566. 23:09and so if we are to say that the
  567. 23:12experience machine is not real in a way
  568. 23:15that the life outside of the experience
  569. 23:17machine is then what do we mean by that
  570. 23:20word real what makes something real and
  571. 23:24something else that's not and just so
  572. 23:26that you don't think that i'm i'm being
  573. 23:28too
  574. 23:30uh superficial with the language here
  575. 23:32just consider an example like this let's
  576. 23:34say that there was an original artwork
  577. 23:37by picasso
  578. 23:38and
  579. 23:39that
  580. 23:41another artist found a way to reproduce
  581. 23:44it perfectly
  582. 23:45so perfectly that there is literally no
  583. 23:49detectable difference between one and
  584. 23:51the other
  585. 23:52imagine that there's no technology that
  586. 23:53will ever be discovered or created that
  587. 23:56will ever be able to tell these two
  588. 23:57pieces apart in fact if you mix them up
  589. 24:00you would never be able to know which
  590. 24:02one was the original and which one
  591. 24:04was the secondary
  592. 24:06work now if i were to ask you which one
  593. 24:08of these is real
  594. 24:11you might be a little
  595. 24:13frustrated or have some difficulty in
  596. 24:15answering that question because
  597. 24:17typically you'd say well one is real
  598. 24:19because
  599. 24:20it's uh
  600. 24:22it looks different
  601. 24:24there's some difference in style
  602. 24:26and in fact if i asked you which one was
  603. 24:28real after i mixed them up
  604. 24:30you would not be able to say which one
  605. 24:32is real now you might still say look i
  606. 24:34don't know which one's real because you
  607. 24:36mix them up but i can tell you the one
  608. 24:38that was done first was real but i could
  609. 24:40say well what makes that one real and
  610. 24:42the other one not i mean i can feel both
  611. 24:44of them
  612. 24:45i could see both of them and you might
  613. 24:47say yeah you can feel them you can see
  614. 24:49them but what makes one real on the
  615. 24:51other is about uh which one came first
  616. 24:55and so in that sense
  617. 24:57something being real isn't just about
  618. 24:59how it appears or how we experience it
  619. 25:02but it also has to do with certain
  620. 25:04values certain ideas that something
  621. 25:07coming first
  622. 25:08has a greater value than something that
  623. 25:10is reproduced and so that brings us back
  624. 25:13to sicily box point that the thought
  625. 25:15experiment
  626. 25:17um challenges us with figuring out um
  627. 25:21why one kind of reality so to speak is
  628. 25:25held in higher regard or more important
  629. 25:27than the other
  630. 25:28she also writes that uh nausic's thought
  631. 25:30experiment uh produces these questions
  632. 25:33like what role should friendship
  633. 25:36love or altruism which is to say not
  634. 25:39just uh you know self-interested action
  635. 25:42but also
  636. 25:43a genuine uh primary concern for others
  637. 25:47have for happiness to be most valuable
  638. 25:50um what role should friendship love
  639. 25:52altruism have for happiness to be most
  640. 25:55valuable and then also is there more to
  641. 25:57happiness
  642. 25:59than feeling happy
  643. 26:01and more to life than happiness in other
  644. 26:03words are there some experiences are
  645. 26:06there some
  646. 26:07parts of human life
  647. 26:08that are more important than happiness
  648. 26:11and if so what are they
  649. 26:13and also uh is that mere feeling of
  650. 26:17happiness
  651. 26:18is that what we mean when we talk about
  652. 26:20happiness or does that feeling need to
  653. 26:23accompany
  654. 26:24something
  655. 26:25real or true
  656. 26:28in order for that happiness or that
  657. 26:30feeling of happiness to be
  658. 26:33valuable
  659. 26:34so here i'd like to give you just a
  660. 26:36couple of very brief responses to the
  661. 26:38thought experiment uh and of course you
  662. 26:41have your own thoughts there written out
  663. 26:44robert nozick's perspective on this is
  664. 26:46that we should say no to the experience
  665. 26:49machine
  666. 26:50the activity that yields happiness
  667. 26:53is important to us
  668. 26:55not simply the feeling we get when we
  669. 26:57believe we have done the activity so for
  670. 27:00nausic it's not just the question is not
  671. 27:02just does the machine make me feel good
  672. 27:05the feeling good
  673. 27:07should follow
  674. 27:08the actually having actually done
  675. 27:11something of consequence or importance
  676. 27:14if we get the feeling good without the
  677. 27:17actual doing something important
  678. 27:21and we think that that's all that
  679. 27:22matters we're actually very confused he
  680. 27:25thinks about what is most important to
  681. 27:27us as human beings
  682. 27:29sisa labach says something similar she
  683. 27:31says again for herself the answer to the
  684. 27:33question is no the experience machine
  685. 27:36she writes eliminates all choice
  686. 27:38all concerned for a meaningful life all
  687. 27:41reciprocity as well as the capacity to
  688. 27:44exercise genuine empathy and the reason
  689. 27:47for that is everything is programmed
  690. 27:49everything is designed everything is is
  691. 27:51set up to ensure
  692. 27:53that you are perfectly
  693. 27:57happy if that perfect happiness requires
  694. 28:00some adversity some trial and error
  695. 28:02things that look like they aren't
  696. 28:03working out but then they work out fine
  697. 28:05we'll work that we'll work that all of
  698. 28:07that into the system but this is a
  699. 28:09narcissist paradise because all that
  700. 28:12matters is what you want um all that
  701. 28:15matters the whole
  702. 28:17experience machine world revolves around
  703. 28:21what you want you get what you want you
  704. 28:23want it you got it right um and so that
  705. 28:27on the one hand
  706. 28:29is pretty appealing to a lot of us if
  707. 28:31we're really honest about it
  708. 28:33i mean it's kind of appealing that yeah
  709. 28:34i mean all right things don't always go
  710. 28:36our way but it would be nice if they
  711. 28:38ended up at the end of the day going our
  712. 28:40way we could all deal with some
  713. 28:42adversity but when the adversity is
  714. 28:44non-stop when we end up in failure again
  715. 28:48i mean we can try fail try again fail
  716. 28:51again but if every time we try we always
  717. 28:54up and end up in failure a lot of us can
  718. 28:56be
  719. 28:57pretty discouraged just to put it mildly
  720. 28:59and if you knew that after a few you
  721. 29:02know experiences of trial on air you'd
  722. 29:03finally succeed
  723. 29:05and you can make sure of that by
  724. 29:07entering the machine at least for some
  725. 29:09of us that would sound like a pretty
  726. 29:11good deal now in conversation with
  727. 29:14students in the classroom i've heard a
  728. 29:17lot of really interesting ideas and
  729. 29:19we've really sort of like teased this
  730. 29:21thing out in lots of different
  731. 29:23directions uh and i'm sure you have your
  732. 29:26own interesting thoughts and i tend to
  733. 29:28find that whereas nausic uh and bach are
  734. 29:32under the impression that there's kind
  735. 29:34of quite a few people who are clearly
  736. 29:37against entering the machine
  737. 29:39i found that quite a number of students
  738. 29:41are willing to seriously entertain
  739. 29:43the thought of going into the machine
  740. 29:45and there's some really interesting
  741. 29:46cases to be made what if you're a person
  742. 29:49living in a terribly unfair
  743. 29:52uh environment where the the the world
  744. 29:55is just utterly stacked against you
  745. 29:58and you know things are not going to
  746. 30:00turn out well i mean we like to think
  747. 30:01that if we try hard enough anything is
  748. 30:03possible but that's not always the case
  749. 30:06uh clearly some people will try try try
  750. 30:10and fail fail fail and that may not even
  751. 30:12be because of their own
  752. 30:14failure to make an attempt but because
  753. 30:17the social arrangement is such that
  754. 30:19they're almost just guaranteed failure
  755. 30:22and so i've i've heard some very
  756. 30:23interesting uh arguments uh in favor of
  757. 30:26entering the machine especially if one
  758. 30:28is in the position of profound
  759. 30:31disadvantage and i think it's
  760. 30:33interesting to hear out those
  761. 30:34perspectives i for one and this is my
  762. 30:38take
  763. 30:39i for one
  764. 30:40care about which is to say i value uh my
  765. 30:43children um my partner
  766. 30:46and as i bond with him and i'll focus on
  767. 30:48my children in particular
  768. 30:51and as i bond with them and as i help
  769. 30:53them in life
  770. 30:54i get a feeling of happiness
  771. 30:57a sense of fulfillment i gain
  772. 31:00a sense of again fulfillment and also
  773. 31:03even contentment
  774. 31:05similarly i care about things like my
  775. 31:08students intellectual development so
  776. 31:10when i help facilitate you know a really
  777. 31:12good class discussion
  778. 31:14or when a student shares that
  779. 31:17they've gained some significant insight
  780. 31:20due to
  781. 31:21the class a reading you know an
  782. 31:23assignment and so forth i also feel a
  783. 31:26significant sense of satisfaction which
  784. 31:29i might describe as i would describe as
  785. 31:31happiness
  786. 31:32now the experience machine promises to
  787. 31:35give me these very same feelings the
  788. 31:38same experiences happiness fulfillment
  789. 31:40satisfaction and so on the only
  790. 31:43difference
  791. 31:44is that entering the machine
  792. 31:46uh is going to come at the
  793. 31:49cost of actually bonding
  794. 31:52with my children of actually helping
  795. 31:54those in my life
  796. 31:56it will come at the cost of actually
  797. 31:58participating in helping students gain
  798. 32:01key insights i mean i will have the
  799. 32:03feeling that all those things are
  800. 32:05happening
  801. 32:06but they actually won't be happening it
  802. 32:08will simply be a program there won't be
  803. 32:10any actual people at all that i'm
  804. 32:12interacting with i will simply be
  805. 32:14interacting with
  806. 32:16phantasms
  807. 32:18and for me this is an intolerable cost
  808. 32:22as wonderful as that feeling that sense
  809. 32:26of happiness is it is not at least for
  810. 32:29me
  811. 32:30my central objective in life
  812. 32:33rather happiness is the byproduct
  813. 32:35of achieving or advancing however
  814. 32:38temporarily
  815. 32:40our foremost goals in life or honoring
  816. 32:43our foremost goals in life honoring our
  817. 32:46values our deepest commitments uh
  818. 32:48developing our fullest potential and so
  819. 32:50on it is the byproduct of actually
  820. 32:54supporting and bonding with the people
  821. 32:57that i
  822. 32:58actually care about it's the byproduct
  823. 33:01of caring about and helping
  824. 33:04people in my world uh in my world of
  825. 33:07human interaction and relations and the
  826. 33:10experience machine gives us happiness
  827. 33:12by giving us the illusion of achieving
  828. 33:15our foremost values the illusion of
  829. 33:18having connected with others the
  830. 33:20illusion of having written a book
  831. 33:23saved a life affected others uh achieved
  832. 33:27great things and so on but for me my
  833. 33:30foremost values aren't to merely pretend
  834. 33:34to care about and help others not merely
  835. 33:37to be
  836. 33:39fooled into believing that i have helped
  837. 33:42or um partly uh responsible for
  838. 33:47a connection uh
  839. 33:48shared with someone else for me at least
  840. 33:51my foremost values are to actually
  841. 33:55be in relation to others to be of
  842. 33:59service to be in contact and meaningful
  843. 34:03connection to others and so to the
  844. 34:06extent that the experience machine
  845. 34:08deprives me of that opportunity
  846. 34:11then as wonderful as it would be to have
  847. 34:14everything work out all the
  848. 34:15relationships go the right way all of
  849. 34:18the attempts to do creative things
  850. 34:22pans out um while it would be very nice
  851. 34:25to know that all of those efforts will
  852. 34:28be
  853. 34:28ultimately rewarded
  854. 34:30the fact that there will be actually no
  855. 34:32effort at all that it will all be an
  856. 34:34illusion and that the actual real world
  857. 34:37will stand unaffected is to me
  858. 34:42not really much better
  859. 34:44than
  860. 34:45being put to death
  861. 34:46but i would imagine that at least some
  862. 34:48of you may think differently and i hope
  863. 34:50that you will continue to develop those
  864. 34:52thoughts those ideas uh as you make your
  865. 34:55way through this section uh and and
  866. 34:58through the relevant readings uh that
  867. 35:01we're doing in this module

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