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0:03Hey everybody, this is EA Coetting and I
0:06am delighted and honored to be here with
0:08Damios the magician. Thank you for
0:10joining me, brother.
0:12>> Pleasure to be here.
0:14>> Oh, dude, I'm so so excited. So excited.
0:16You know, we kind of threw this threw
0:17this together as a a bit of a Halloween
0:19special. Um Halloween's always been a
0:22special uh special kind of magical
0:25moment for me. my whole life I felt I
0:28don't know just felt especially
0:30at home within myself in the world right
0:33about now. So yeah,
0:36but uh
0:38>> hell yeah. Uh before we get too much
0:40talking going on though, I'd like to
0:41open up with a a couple invocations. I'd
0:44like to start with a um a gate opening
0:47the opening the gates of Arazzura from
0:49Michael W. Ford from his um I can't
0:53remember the name of the book. Sorry,
0:54Michael. But um but this is a a gate
0:57opening I use quite a bit. And then
0:59after that I'll do an invocation of
1:01Satan. The idea here with this is and
1:04you know anybody that would like to
1:05light candles along with us you're
1:07welcome to. Um or just just to tune into
1:11it. What we're doing here is opening
1:13ourselves as as the gateway. Because I
1:15thought about that this morning as I was
1:17preparing and I had some Necronomicon
1:19gates and I had a couple different gates
1:21I was thinking about. I was like, "No,
1:22it's ourselves as the gateway for
1:24whatever needs to flow through and for
1:26our future self to come through that
1:29gateway of ourselves and start to to
1:31manifest." So, let's do it.
1:34>> Quick question. This is good for people
1:36watching this after Halloween, right? If
1:39they wanted to participate.
1:42>> Yeah, absolutely. If you want to
1:43participate after Halloween, you you
1:45know the that's one of the beautiful
1:46things about uh filming rituals is uh
1:50and and sharing them is it's timeless.
1:53Like you're able to tap into that energy
1:55at any time. Hell yeah.
1:57>> Right on.
2:06>> Welcome to light a candle, any incense,
2:08anything that you wish. And then we're
2:10going to take a few moments of silence
2:13just breathing and letting go of all But
2:43become aware of gateways. portals
2:46opening up above and below you.
2:53Feel portals opening up in all of your
2:55chakras,
2:57in the palms of your hands,
2:59the soles of your feet, and every joint
3:03of your body.
3:08We are composed of countless gateways.
3:15and feel them opening.
3:18Tiny gateways even inside yourselves
3:22awakening and opening,
3:26moving light through you into you.
3:46Uh hesimanis
4:06tom
4:09Ruby
4:11suit.
4:29In the name of Satan,
4:31Lord of this world,
4:33God of exaltation,
4:36prince of darkness, manifest through us.
4:42Open wide the gates of hell and come
4:44forth from the abyss with your unholy
4:46armies of darkness.
4:50Distill into our beings your wicked
4:52spirit.
4:53Infuse into our bones your terrifying
4:55strength.
4:57Implant into our minds your knowledge of
5:00the unknowable.
5:02Suffocate our souls with your
5:04everlasting power.
5:07We are the black gates through which you
5:10may travel into this world of flesh.
5:14We are the gates that open.
5:17We are the black gate.
5:20We are the gates that are prepared for
5:23your arrival.
5:25infernal majesties.
5:28So it is done.
5:40You're welcome to add anything that you
5:42would like to add.
5:44I'm just feeling um there are people
5:48watching this or are going to be
5:49watching this who potentially feel like
5:52there's a locked door in front of them.
5:56Just simply imagine reaching out and
5:58unlocking that door and blasting it open
6:02by the power of Satan. Or maybe maybe
6:06the door's already been opened and you
6:08are
6:09now seeking to stabilize what you
6:11already have. So just imagine
6:14stabilization.
6:16Imagine it's stabilizing. The energy is
6:18stabilizing, grounding you,
6:21placing you right where you need to be.
6:36And so it is done.
6:38>> So it is done. So it is done. So it is
6:43done.
6:47Thank you for that.
6:51The first thing that I'd like to say out
6:53of the gate is that
6:56when we're doing these things, when we
6:59perceive the locked doorway and blast
7:01through it, when we imagine these
7:05portals opening up, is not just
7:08imagination. Our imagination is showing
7:10us the energetic structure. M
7:13>> um it is a very real thing
7:17that you the energetic world is not an
7:19idea. It's a it's a it's an actual
7:22substance that you can grab and touch
7:23and and work with. And uh I really got
7:26the sense of that with uh with your
7:29unlocking of that door that I could feel
7:31my hands push against it and then just
7:33blast through. And I can see it like uh
7:36in shards like whatever the obstacle was
7:39just erupted in like glass shards that
7:41just flew back. And so thank you for
7:44thank you for joining me in that.
7:46>> Oh, thank you for that invocation. My Oh
7:48man, I've got it's like static running
7:52up through my legs right now.
7:54>> Yeah. Um, I could feel uh uh you know
7:58when you uh when you were saying to to
8:00let it stabilize, I could feel it um
8:04coiling around my spine and uh and it's
8:08like um
8:11I even like I could feel myself like
8:13kind of cracking my back a little bit
8:15like my spine was being brought into the
8:18right position. It was just a it was a
8:20really cool really cool very physical
8:23energetic feeling. Yeah.
8:26One moment. I'm going to lower this
8:27camera down so I'm a little more I had
8:30my table in so I could see the candle or
8:32people could see.
8:36>> Let's see if I can
8:40pause this video for a sec.
8:51Okay, it's a little bit better. I had I
8:53have you down here on the screen and I
8:55was looking up to
8:56>> to try and look at you when I'm talking
8:58and so that makes it a little bit
9:00easier.
9:01>> No.
9:02>> Such a simple simple ritual but so so
9:05powerful.
9:07>> Yeah.
9:08>> As often
9:11I I had one of my early teachers tell me
9:13that. He says, "Uh,
9:16so I was asking about soul travel and he
9:18says, "You just see where you want to go
9:22in your mind and then you go there." And
9:24I was like, "Well, but you got to tell
9:26me how." He's like, "I just told you
9:28how." And I was like, "Okay, well, like
9:31it's too simple." And and so what what's
9:33the method? He goes, "That that is the
9:34method." He says, "This is the thing.
9:36When you when you encounter real truth,
9:39it's so simple that your conscious mind
9:41rejects it. your conscious mind doesn't
9:43know what to do with it. It's like, "Oh,
9:44it's got to be big bigger than that."
9:45No. One of the big things I'm doing um
9:50I'm filming a video course for my
9:51upcoming book, Elemental Sorcery. And uh
9:55one of the one of the the teachings
9:59that's coming through as I'm doing this
10:01video course is that you don't have to
10:04summon these powers. Not Not in the way
10:07that most people think you do. All you
10:09have to do is invite them. You don't
10:11have to like reach out and grab them and
10:12pull them to you. All you've got to do
10:14is put out the invitation and then
10:16silently prepare yourself for their
10:18arrival. Hold on. Let's let's pause on
10:21that for a second.
10:23That was so profound what you just said.
10:27You You just have to invite them. You
10:29don't have to summon them forth or or
10:31try and drag them to you,
10:34but you just invite them. They It's
10:35almost as if they're right there in
10:38front of you.
10:40Mhm.
10:42So in the in the moment that you are
10:46reaching out to them, thinking about
10:48them, they become right there in front
10:50of you. Now I might even say the cart
10:53might be before the horse there. Maybe
10:55you're thinking about them because
10:56they're already right there beside you.
10:59Um it's uh you know
11:04where Dude, I've I've I've had a really
11:07uh one of one of the things that I've
11:08really had to grapple with is that that
11:10we don't really have a lot of control
11:12over what goes on here. And uh and so
11:16seeking control is based in fear because
11:20we're afraid of what's going to happen.
11:22So we want to try to squeeze it and
11:23control it. Um and and with our world,
11:28with the powers that surround us that
11:30are invisible or even the visible powers
11:32that surround us, um we can't really
11:35control it, but we can participate.
11:38And and this is in a lot of ancient
11:39systems, this was known as cocreation.
11:42[clears throat]
11:42We're not quite creators yet. We're
11:44learning to be. But while we're learning
11:46to be, we can take creation as it gives
11:48itself to us and then figure out how to
11:51mold it and shape it and make it work
11:52for us.
11:55you know what you just said about
11:57control as you know I'd been going
12:00through stuff with um my grandfather
12:03he's you know not doing too well he's
12:06stage four stage four pancreatic cancer
12:10um
12:12and he's now on hospice so he's in his
12:15sort of final days and that's every bit
12:18of me wanted to work every little ritual
12:20I could call on on the most powerful
12:22spirits I ood to just
12:25try and extend his life out, save his
12:28life. And
12:31I tried at first and
12:35there was improvement, but it was just
12:37kind of this thing of
12:39you can't control this sort of thing.
12:40It's inevitable. The body must pass. And
12:45to even do so is to rob someone of that
12:47experience. And it the experience may
12:49suck, but we all die one day. our
12:52physical bodies are going to die. You
12:54can prolong it as long as you know you
12:56are able to there's there's even magic
12:59to prolong it, right? But eventually
13:03something's got to decay and um so it
13:06was in surrender that
13:10I began to feel peace and then there was
13:12another grief that came up. You helped
13:13me a lot with that by the way. So, thank
13:15you so much and just understanding the
13:18the sacredness of death and the the
13:20circle of life and all of that. Um,
13:26I want to talk about um as much as
13:30you're ready to share about it, but uh
13:32elemental sorcery that you've got got in
13:35the works. So, everybody kind of we're
13:39all kind of familiar with
13:42the elements and how it pertains to
13:44magic, but
13:46I've got a stack of your books and I
13:48know that it's never what it appears to
13:50be on the surface.
13:53>> Um, so when when I when I first started
13:56approaching elemental sorcery, I did
13:58just want to write a book about the
14:00elements of of fire, water, earth, air,
14:02and spirit. And one of the one of the
14:04things I found in my practice is that um
14:07no matter whether All right. Well, let
14:09me back up. In every system, there's
14:11understood to be an axis. Um axis mundi
14:14is the term that is most often used for
14:16it, but it's a it's a an axis, a column
14:20that goes infinitely high and infinitely
14:22low. The higher levels, what we what
14:25most people consider like the heavenly
14:26realms is more unified. Everything is
14:30more oneness. As it comes down the axis,
14:34it differentiates and becomes more
14:36different things. And those things
14:38become such different things that they
14:39can become people, animals, rocks,
14:42trees. And um I do believe that it even
14:45goes further down into differentiation.
14:47And that's what we're looking with at
14:48the infernal realm is individuality
14:51pushed to the extreme whereas upwards is
14:54unity pushed to the extreme. And we're
14:57right in the middle here in this in this
14:59physical plane. But what I found is the
15:02elements exist at every single level.
15:05And so when we're looking at this this
15:07this level of existence, you light a
15:10candle flame and and and that's uh
15:12that's fire. You you know the the the
15:14sun is fire. But also at a higher level
15:17of this, your desire is fire. Your
15:20willpower is fire. At an even higher
15:22level of this, the inspiration that
15:24comes through you is fire. go even even
15:26further down the ladder and um your will
15:30to power becomes fire. Your will to
15:32individuality and autonomy becomes fire.
15:34And so with this you can see fire,
15:36water, earth, air and spirit still
15:38manifest in every every realm of
15:41existence. And so it's not just
15:43something in this plane and a magic for
15:44this realm because that's kind of how
15:46maybe I thought about it when I was like
15:49a teenage Wiccan was like, "Oh, I'm just
15:51working with like the powers of this
15:52world." No, no. This is this is the
15:54framework of existence itself. And so
15:57whether I've been doing demonic rituals
15:59or angelic rituals, it doesn't matter.
16:01I've still been there's still the
16:03framework whether you consciously do it
16:05or not. There's a framework of the
16:06elements. All of your all of your tools
16:08are elemental. All of the invocations
16:11are are are cycling through the
16:13different elements whether you're
16:14conscious of it or not. So with that, as
16:17I started writing this book, it became
16:19very clear this is not just a book about
16:22elements though because I started I
16:24started teaching my entire magical
16:26system from my very first self
16:28initiation to the first spells that I
16:30learned to cast and then all the way to
16:32evocation of uh I think I've got 25
16:35different uh elemental spirits to evoke
16:38and then to working with dragons. And so
16:40I walk you through
16:43this is almost a way a way that this
16:45book started to become is almost an
16:48advanced more developed version of works
16:51of darkness because you know in works of
16:53darkness are really laid out like a
16:55foundation but it was specifically
16:57limited to the left-hand path and black
16:58magic. With this I've given that same
17:01treatment to the entire field of
17:03sorcery. And so this is how to how to
17:06make how to craft spells, how to how to
17:08perform evocations, how to how to do
17:10divinations with the elements. And so
17:12it's it's really a framework of sorcery
17:15itself. So with that, I've
17:18[clears throat]
17:18uh tacked on the subtitle to it. So it's
17:21uh elemental sorcery, a complete guide
17:24to magical mastery. And that's 100% how
17:27I've set that up. So, this is it's it's
17:30so far um I'm still doing the revision
17:32on it, but it is uh my longest book so
17:35far. It's about 108,000 words and um
17:39it's uh it's a lot. It's a it's going to
17:41be a it's going to be it might go down
17:44as my like magnumopus. Like a lot of
17:46people will point to Book of Azel as
17:48being the best book, but I think this
17:50one might surpass it.
17:52>> I'm so excited for it. Um,
17:56>> historically with your books, we always
17:58see
18:00there's a little bit of a theme, a
18:01pattern that I've noticed where you've
18:02got practical stuff. You've got the how
18:05to do the magic that's in it, right?
18:08There's a little bit of philosophy,
18:10there's actual life lessons in it, but
18:14then it kind of gets into becoming that
18:16which you behold.
18:18Did Would you say any of that does it
18:20kind of follow that theme in this
18:23upcoming
18:25>> Oh, 100%. I'm actually going to see if
18:28you don't mind, I'm going to pull up a
18:29bit of it and uh and read a little bit
18:31because it's um I I I've 100% um you
18:36know, here, let me see.
18:42Here we go.
18:44Uh this is actually the last chapter uh
18:47at chapter 23. Worm blood and dragon
18:50can.
18:52The fire upon the candle wick, the fire
18:54in the churning of the cosmos and the
18:56fire inside of you are the same fire.
18:59The power of the dragon within and the
19:01monstrous manifestation of the dragon
19:03beyond the self are the same dragon.
19:06It's the same force soaring behind the
19:09clouds of perception and choosing
19:10different routes of expression to let
19:12itself be known. Having communed with
19:15the king of fire, a blazing king or
19:18queen also awakens within you. Having
19:20encountered the dragon, a part of you
19:23awakens that is also dragon. And so you
19:26did you hit the nail on the head with
19:28that that it's a it is a pathway of
19:32first it's a pathway of
19:34um perception that first you perceive
19:36it. You perceive the elements in in in
19:38in maybe their their deepest and highest
19:41aspect and as you perceive it then you
19:43start touching it. You start playing
19:45with it and invoking it. Um but pretty
19:48quickly it becomes anything that you
19:50surround yourself with you're going to
19:51become like it. And so you surround
19:53yourself with the elements and
19:55Specifically, if you if you work with
19:56one element, let's say you work with
19:58fire, and this is a this is a good
20:00exercise if you want to develop more
20:02willpower, if you want to develop more
20:04physical strength. Um the fire element
20:06is really good for um not necessarily
20:09strength training. I would I would do
20:11earth element for strength training, but
20:13for uh um endurance and and like like I
20:16invoke fire before you go for a run.
20:18You're going to you're going to have
20:20fire under your feet the whole time. Um
20:23and uh and yeah. Yeah. But you work with
20:27that, you're going to you are going to
20:31the the division between
20:34the spirit that you're working with and
20:36you starts to fade really quick. Um it
20:40starts to you start to forget who you
20:41are. And
20:44it's do I talk to so many people who who
20:46have this experience where they're like,
20:48"Dude, I've been working with the
20:49Zazel." And they'll usually just tell me
20:51this in consultations and they're kind
20:52of they feel I can tell they feel weird
20:55about saying it. They're like, "I've
20:56been working with a Zazo and I'm
20:58starting to feel like I am a Zaz." I'm
21:00like, "Yeah, welcome to the club. Like,
21:01so am I." Take a number and get in line
21:04because if you if you commune with these
21:05entities long enough, they do start to
21:07merge with you. And similarly with the
21:09elements.
21:10>> And what's weird is when people start
21:12seeing that in you, they'll say, "Oh,
21:15you you remind me of Aazil. You remind
21:17me of Lucifer. you you know that it's
21:20it's weird and I I gave no indication
21:23that that's who I've been working with.
21:26>> Yeah. Yeah. No, that's that is an
21:28interesting thing when other people see
21:29that and then it kind of you know if I
21:32if I get I'll get those signals usually
21:35three at a time. So I'll have like three
21:37different people be like dude I'm just
21:38picking up Zazel vibes with you today. I
21:41don't know if I I'll hear two of them
21:43like once I'll dismiss it. Twice I'm
21:45like it gets my attention on the third
21:47one. I'm like, "All right, that's this
21:48is a this is a message. I'll tune in,
21:50>> dude." So, I want to circle back a
21:54little bit. I've I've got two things.
21:56One, it does pertain to the book you're
21:58working on. Uh but put a pen in that
22:01because I want to go back before I
22:02forget. I did not write any notes. I had
22:05planned to just write a few key
22:06questions I wanted to ask you because I
22:08always forget. Um, this is kind of going
22:11back to works of darkness. Beautiful
22:13book. Amazing. Amazing. Amazing. Um,
22:19one's not really a question. I I Every
22:22time you you've got an exercise in that
22:25book, it's uh you're you're essentially
22:28projecting out the inner darkness into a
22:32an observable
22:33sort of tangible substance that's around
22:35you. And then you're you're pulling that
22:37back into you.
22:39right? You're you're sort of stirring up
22:41this um this darkness almost as as
22:44though the darkness itself is a sort of
22:47sentient being.
22:49Every time I've done that, my life blows
22:52up. So, [laughter]
22:55it's like in a good way. It's like stuff
22:57I haven't looked at before. There
22:59there's always a hard conversation
23:01between my wife and I that has to
23:02happen. Something happens. There's a
23:04realization. It's like everything falls
23:06apart and then I have to rebuild.
23:09Have you had this experience with that
23:11or have you heard of other people having
23:14this experience? What was your I don't
23:17know if that was even your intention or
23:21I was wondering if you could speak on
23:22that a little bit.
23:23>> Yeah. No, no, that's not necessarily the
23:25intention of that exercise, but it's not
23:29it's not an unforeseeable effect of it
23:32because what what you're doing is you
23:33are you are connecting with
23:38real tangible spiritual darkness. And
23:40that's not like when we're talking about
23:42spiritual darkness, we're not about
23:44hurting other people or controlling
23:45others or anything like that. It is a
23:47tangible force.
23:50um and uh and you just projecting it and
23:53you're connected with it. Now, what
23:55happens then is what can happen if
23:59you're at a point that you're ready to
24:02alchemize things, the things that need
24:04to be alchemized come forth. It's like
24:06it just bubbles up. So, I haven't had it
24:08specifically with that exercise, but I
24:10had it with necro with necromancy. Every
24:13time I'd go kneel in front of my necro
24:15my necroantic altar, I would kneel
24:17there. I would kind of just drop myself
24:19and I would start having
24:22darkness just come up out of me and uh
24:26um
24:29like the most awful visions of me doing
24:31the most horrible violent things and I'm
24:33like what at first I thought it was I
24:35thought death was injecting these things
24:37into me but after a while because I
24:41because I was like you know what like
24:42I'm I was in a necroantic pathway path
24:45working so I was like I'm just going to
24:46keep doing
24:47no matter how much it hurts, no matter
24:49what it is, I'm just going to keep going
24:50to it. So, I kept with it and I started
24:53noticing that it was th those were all
24:56things that are inside of me. Those are
24:57my horrible violent fantasies that were
25:00just being pulled out of me. And so, and
25:03I've seen the similar thing with my life
25:04with working with the demonic is that
25:06the things that I didn't know were
25:08problems on in in the background bubble
25:11up and then then they become something I
25:13have to address. or even worse,
25:15specifically when working with any
25:17anything that is true darkness,
25:20the things that you're avoiding become
25:23unavoidable.
25:24And that's that's one of the big things
25:26that I've seen. So, yeah, connecting
25:28with connecting with that darkness at a
25:30point that you're fully ready to
25:32alchemize those things, they're going to
25:34show up. Now, if you weren't ready to
25:36alchemize it, you might not even see it.
25:38Nothing might nothing might even happen.
25:40Well, I I I think when we when we've got
25:42our head buried in the sand, there's not
25:44much that can be done to pull our head
25:46out of the sand until we're ready to
25:47pull up and actually look at the things
25:49cuz you could easily say, "No, I'm not
25:50going to have that conversation with my
25:51wife. I'm just going to sit on this."
25:53You don't though. You're not able to
25:54because the the things you've been
25:56avoiding become unavoidable.
25:58>> When when the student is te ready, the
26:00teacher will appear, right?
26:04>> Also have
26:06>> Oh, go ahead. Go ahead.
26:08Uh, I just say often that that teacher
26:10comes in the form of the people that
26:12bother us the most, the people that
26:13challenge us, um, and in in the people
26:16closest to us that are holding us
26:19accountable. So, yeah.
26:21>> Oh, and that that takes a lot of
26:24humility to finally be like, you know
26:26what, I've been boneheaded
26:29and running away from myself, keeping my
26:31head buried in the sand, what have you,
26:33and may maybe she has a point. Maybe he
26:36has a point. I need to look at this and
26:38you know I've been the dumbass lately.
26:40Um,
26:41>> yeah.
26:42>> So, kind of touching back still kind of
26:46in the works of darkness
26:49because I feel like this is sort of a
26:51full circle book. Um, Elemental Magic
26:54the way. I'm sorry to cut you off, but
26:56let before before we move on from that
26:58one exercise,
27:00um I wrote that book and be and after I
27:05sent it off to the publisher,
27:08I was reading um
27:11Constantinos's book. He wrote a book uh
27:14Nocturnic and he had he had put it out
27:17and it was like fresh off of the the
27:19fresh on the on the bookshelves and I
27:21went and picked it up and I'm like, "Oh,
27:22cool." One of his first exercises was
27:24that exact same exercise. So, I actually
27:27sent an email to his to to him through
27:30uh because I had emailed him when I was
27:33like a kid and I got his first book. I
27:35sent I actually sent a a a handwritten
27:37letter to his publisher, right?
27:40>> Was that
27:41>> Summoning Spirits was his first book,
27:42right?
27:43>> That's right. That was the first one
27:44that I picked up at least with Summoning
27:46Spirits and Yeah. Um and uh yeah and I
27:49got in the back of it was like you know
27:51for uh you know queries to the author
27:53write to and it gave like the PO box and
27:55so sure enough I wrote a letter and I'm
27:58like I love your work and d and uh he
28:00had emailed me back and he's like ah
28:03thank you for your support and d gave me
28:05just like a little like a a good little
28:07fan appreciation. I was that was cool.
28:10But then I wrote I wrote him an email
28:12and I was like, "Hey, I just want to let
28:14you know that I've just published like
28:17I'm putting my book in for publication
28:18and we have almost identical um
28:22practices that are uh you know, then I
28:24told him the one where you got the
28:25spinning vortex of darkness. I got that
28:27exact same thing, but I got that from
28:29spirits." And he's and he wrote me back
28:30and he says, "I got it from spirits,
28:31too. Don't worry about it. This this is
28:33just validation of our path." And I'm
28:35like, dude, that is a that's the only
28:37time I've I've heard I heard back from
28:39those two times. But thank you,
28:40Constantinos, wherever you are out
28:42there. If you're still doing your thing,
28:43appreciate it because uh because that
28:45that's uh that's awesome because because
28:47it is um again, it's the energetic
28:51reality that that is being cross
28:53validated across the world right now in
28:56a way that's never been before. So
28:58anyways,
29:00>> look at that stuff almost like a
29:02scientist like multiple people are
29:04having that same experience, you know,
29:07coming to the same conclusions, coming
29:08up with these same exercises. It's real.
29:11There's something to it, you know, this
29:13isn't just mind tricks that we're
29:14playing on ourselves. There's something
29:16to it. Um,
29:18man, Constantino's genius. Um, yeah, I
29:22don't know if he's still I don't know if
29:23he's still doing his thing or you don't
29:26really see I don't think he does
29:28interviews or anything like that. Um,
29:31got some great works out. Um,
29:35this is kind of going completely
29:38fundamental, but when we talk about uh
29:43like black magic and white magic and
29:45all, what do what do these mean to EA?
29:49Because it seems like it's not just a
29:52simple, you know, it's so misunderstood.
29:55Oh, black magic is baneful magic and you
29:57know that's harming others and all and
29:59it seems like uh there's levels to it.
30:01There's layers to it. And uh
30:05on one end, yeah, black magic is kind of
30:07toward the darkness where you're you're
30:10summoning infernals and you're going
30:11into the shadow aspect of but on another
30:14level, everyone who I know who calls
30:17themselves black magicians are sort of
30:20they [snorts] seem to be more
30:21all-encompassing and uh so it seems to
30:23be a placeholder term.
30:27>> Yeah. you know, as as um as the terms of
30:31black magic and white magic as those are
30:33used commonly, I think it doesn't mean
30:36much. It's a it's an in-group outgroup
30:38thing. It's like you're part of my group
30:40and and and it's used equally in the
30:43same way by black magicians, white
30:44magician. Oh, those white magicians,
30:46those white lighters, those fluffy
30:47bunnies, and then you know, so so there
30:50it does become like a uh an in-group
30:52outgroup classification. And that's not
30:55interesting to me. I don't that that
30:57that I don't I don't think that's
30:58interesting at all. But there's there is
31:01a um there is a very interesting
31:04difference in the energy. So, uh just a
31:07couple days ago, I was doing a um I was
31:10doing a
31:12section from I was filming a section for
31:14the elemental sorcery video course and
31:17uh and I'm just starting out right right
31:19off the the top with how to how to cast
31:21a circle. And so I give some various
31:23ways to cast a circle. Ways that you can
31:25like do a huge circle or just a small
31:27one. And uh for all of my
31:30demonstrations, I was going clockwise
31:31and I was just casting like a general
31:33clockwise circle. And I hadn't planned
31:36on this. But after I did that, I said,
31:38"Now I kind [clears throat] of stop
31:39stood there for a minute and I kind of
31:40feel like I'm not I'm not done. There's
31:42more that needs to be done." I was like,
31:43"All right, so you can also cast a dark
31:46circle." And uh with that dark circle,
31:49bring out your left hand instead of your
31:50right. bring that out in front of you
31:52and then go counterclockwise and pull
31:55any darkness that you have inside of
31:57you. Any uh you know, anything that you
31:59can feel that's evil or hateful or dark
32:02or you know, anything that you like. And
32:04when I and and the reason that you tap
32:06into those kind of negative emotions is
32:08because that's the shadow. Those are the
32:10things that we're suppressing that we
32:11don't want to express in our everyday
32:13life. pull those shadow parts of
32:15yourself through, project it through
32:17your left hand, and then and then turn
32:18counterclockwise to each of the points
32:20in a circle. So, I I do that. Now, I had
32:23been demonstrating doing the the
32:27clockwise circle probably about five
32:29different times while I'm demonstrating
32:30the different ways to do it. And it was
32:32like I could feel myself get a little
32:34more peaceful, a little more zen.
32:36When I did the left-handed circle,
32:39the wind started blowing pretty fierce.
32:42And uh I could feel myself just lock
32:46into my own power. And there was a a
32:50more tangible feeling to it, a more like
32:52it was more it was more tangible
32:55essence. And so again, when we're
32:56talking about that this might have
32:58something to do with the the axis that
33:01we're not necessarily talking about good
33:02versus evil, but more differentiated,
33:05more solid or less solid, more
33:07ephemeral, more ethereal. And so when
33:09you tap into the the light side, yeah,
33:11you're getting a little more light and
33:13ethereal and that does often radiate
33:16with, you know, peace and love and that
33:18those those sorts of lighter uh those
33:21lighter emotions. But um uh but yeah,
33:25that that
33:27there's a more tangible power when we go
33:29down the axis, which can relate again to
33:32some of those darker, more hidden
33:33emotions. And that's where we get into
33:36that's where we get into the deep the
33:38deepest most sacred spiritual practices
33:41look very dark because in our current
33:44society we don't want to go too deep. We
33:47don't want to go too deep with anything.
33:48We want to keep everything at the
33:49surface, everything nice and happy. And
33:52so like like even you know going to
33:53funerals funerals are so reserved in in
33:56in our world where it's like a little
33:59bit of tears shed here and there but
34:00like in most parts of the world there is
34:03literal weeping and wailing and people
34:05pulling their hair out and throwing
34:06themselves on the body. And not that you
34:08have to do that but it's like that's
34:10almost not allowed here. You know, if
34:12you do that, you're you're you know,
34:13somebody's going to carry you away to
34:15another room so you can grieve quietly
34:17because we don't express ourselves
34:18through we keep all of this this these
34:20things that are dark suppressed. And so
34:23I think that is part of the illness
34:24that's in our western society is the
34:26suppression of the shadow rather than an
34:28expression of it. going every day. I go
34:31every day and I kneel in front of my
34:34death altar that has a human skeleton on
34:36it, legally acquired, and uh and I gaze
34:39into it and meditate on death and that
34:41brings me back to life. That gives me
34:44that gives me the proper context for
34:46this experience of life. It doesn't last
34:48forever. Every single person is going to
34:50die. Whether or not I don't care how
34:52much you try to upload yourself, you are
34:54going to die. That's part of this that's
34:56part of this whole system. And uh and so
34:59with that, that does make me it
35:01revivifies my ability to tune into life.
35:06>> Oh man,
35:07>> dude, I don't even know if I answered
35:08your question. I just started rambling
35:10there. [laughter]
35:12>> Thank you for that. That that's a lot. I
35:14hope everyone's got their crayons and
35:16notebooks out. Um
35:18>> I forgot I've got my pen, but that
35:20that's about it. Um,
35:24touching back on the um, sort of the
35:27individuation,
35:29if you look back on any time of your
35:31life, any any time you've wanted to pull
35:33yourself into being an individual, um,
35:36big time happens in teenage years,
35:37right? Um, I don't I've never I've never
35:42been a teenage girl. Um, but I was a
35:45teenage guy and there was just I
35:46remember this moment in my life where it
35:48was like
35:50I just had this bitter resentment of I'm
35:53wearing the clothes that everybody
35:54expected me to wear. You know, my my
35:57I've had the proper haircut all my life.
36:00Um, you know, I've I listen to the music
36:02that's been bestowed upon me and it's
36:05like, um, there's these negative
36:08emotions that come up, this, uh, this
36:10sort of bitter resentment for I need to
36:13put my flag in the ground over here and
36:17start becoming the individual. So, that
36:19that kind of goes in tandem with what
36:22you were talking about a little bit. And
36:23then you see that play out throughout
36:25your life. any you know you get sick of
36:28the um of your job and it's not that
36:32it's not that it's always the job itself
36:34but it's you put on your uniform you
36:37become part of the team you're you're
36:39there's no individuality
36:41you're you're part of
36:42>> you know what a lot of people what a lot
36:44of people say when they have affairs
36:46which I don't agree with you know unless
36:48you're in a relationship I I really
36:51whatever so anyways what a lot of people
36:53say when they're having when they're in
36:55an affair they caught or whatever is
36:57that um
36:59they could become a different person
37:01that they could they could become a more
37:03sexy part of themselves. They become a a
37:06more free part of themselves than they
37:07could with their spouse. And um and so
37:10it is like we're looking
37:13we're
37:16we're we're often looking for ourselves
37:19in everything else around us when the
37:21only way that you can really find
37:22yourself is in silence with yourself
37:24alone. And um that that differentiation
37:27thing is interesting and it is there
37:29there are definitely points in my life.
37:31Yeah. Teenage years I see several times
37:33as a kid where I was trying to pull away
37:35and getting punished for it and
37:37whatever. Um and uh and that is a thing
37:40especially like in religious households
37:42where you're not allowed to deviate too
37:44much and they there there is a very
37:46strict enforcement method on making sure
37:48that you walk the straight and narrow
37:50because otherwise you're going to burn
37:51in hell and you don't want that for your
37:52kid, you know. So there there's a
37:54there's a huge uh there's a there's a
37:57corridor that you must walk through and
38:00uh and people like us were looking at
38:02every door on that corridor trying to
38:03figure out how to get out. Um, and I've
38:06had this several times in my life.
38:08Several times in my life where I've kind
38:10of looked at myself and went,
38:13"This isn't who I am. This isn't who I
38:16am. I've been I'm pretending to be
38:18somebody." And it's almost like a waking
38:20up cuz cuz I don't think I I don't think
38:23I I would know it for very long before I
38:26started resisting it. But it's like you
38:28wake up to and go like I was under a
38:30spell. I was under somebody else's spell
38:32and now I got to figure out how to break
38:34out of it. And then you then you break
38:37out of it. You create this whole
38:39identity around the new self and then
38:40you find out that that was just another
38:42another spell. And that's perfect
38:44because this is the thing like the
38:47the true self isn't necessarily
38:49something that already exists in full
38:51form that's that's there. The true self
38:54is something we're creating bit by bit.
38:56And a part of that is to shave off the
38:58parts of us that aren't aren't really
38:59ourselves. And it is always, dude, it's
39:02never going to be a process of adding
39:04more. I got to get more jewelry or I got
39:06to get more of this or it's always going
39:08to be a process of letting go. Let go of
39:10something. There's some there's some
39:11that you're holding on to that
39:13you can let go and your life just gets
39:14so much easier.
39:18>> You know, I've even noticed that in like
39:20um my magical practice and things that
39:23I'll turn into like a sacred cow. Oh,
39:26I've got to have the circle there. I've
39:28got to have the candles. I've got to
39:29have And
39:32at some point I'm like, why am I using
39:33these things? I I get I get the
39:36reasoning for it. I get the symbolism. I
39:38get the energy of it, but do I actually
39:41need it? And then I'll go without it for
39:44a while and then I'll pick it back up
39:45and it just kind of becomes its own
39:47thing. Um
39:49>> that's a hu that's actually a huge uh
39:52part of constructing your rituals is you
39:56do have to ask yourself so so I I was
39:58doing a ritual with um I believe it was
40:01with Michael the Archangel and uh
40:07my first thought was like I'm going to
40:09bring a bunch of music out there and
40:11have some some beautiful music playing
40:13and I'm going to bring some instruments
40:14maybe some bells out of and
40:18And then I I actually had like written
40:20it in my journal and had it all planned
40:22out. And then I sat there and I was
40:23like, "Wait a minute. What if this is
40:26actually necessary?" Like what how much
40:28of this is a distraction and how much of
40:30it is actually going to help? And when
40:33it came down to it, I just ended up
40:34using I've got a gong in the backyard.
40:36So I just used that gong, just gonged it
40:38once and let that ring out while I was
40:40doing the ritual. And that was all that
40:42was needed. and just take it down to
40:44like what is actually required here. And
40:47uh and when you get down when you get
40:49down to the brass tax, not much is
40:51required. Even the gong was decoration
40:54like that was that that a lot of a lot
40:57of the rituals and you know let's get
40:59light a you light a candle. Yeah,
41:02there's a gateway. Fire is a gateway.
41:04However, let's say you don't have a
41:06candle. Tap into your desire. Feel that
41:08desire burning inside you. That's your
41:10fiery gateway.
41:12Okay.
41:13>> It seems like
41:16there's a bit of a I think there's a bit
41:18of importance if you're getting into it.
41:20Um, you know, maybe maybe you want to
41:22wear robes and stuff like that, right? I
41:24I was actually reading uh we were
41:27talking about summoning spirits. I was
41:28reading back through that not too long
41:30ago and he's talking about the purpose
41:32of u uh Constantinos is talking about
41:35why you would wear like a a magical
41:37robe, right? It's to differentiate what
41:40you're doing in ritual from the rest of
41:42your life. You can't be thinking about
41:44paying the bills while you're trying to
41:46summon forth spirits to do whatever.
41:49And I feel like at some point
41:53that's just going to integrate, right?
41:54You you you do it repeatedly. You do it
41:57over and over again. Eventually that
41:59just becomes reality. The the moment the
42:02moment the the ritual enters your mind,
42:06you've differentiated. you you've
42:07already created this sort of I don't
42:10even want to say separation, right? Cuz
42:12it's all it's all connected. It's all
42:14together. But there there's um
42:17it's like uh I've gone into the silence.
42:20I've gone into whatever. And then this
42:24is where my mind is. This is where my
42:26intentions lie. And you you're you're
42:28able to conjure forth that inner fire.
42:30You're able to conjure forth the the
42:32desire and direct that towards whatever
42:34you need to direct it towards.
42:37you want. So, so yeah, 100%. This is and
42:40this is the this is the cool magical
42:42process because you do get yourself to
42:46that place of silence to that place
42:47where you are connected with everything.
42:51But being connected with everything
42:54isn't magically useful. It's spiritually
42:56useful because it is a spiritual
42:58reality. to to take that spiritual
43:00reality. The two terms that I've come to
43:03is divide and decide. And so with that
43:07is I I look at I look at it I come out
43:09of that I come out of that almost like
43:11um
43:14it it does feel like I'm coming out of
43:15like a cloud to become a conscious being
43:18again. And then I take that
43:20consciousness and immediately start
43:22dividing because yeah everything you're
43:24connected with everything. Everything is
43:25connected. But for the purposes of your
43:27ritual or your goals, you do start
43:29dividing. No. No. And and the division
43:31that I create is like I start cutting
43:33away. These are not the things that I'm
43:34even thinking about. My bills, my that
43:37doesn't matter. The only thing that I'm
43:38focused on is the one thing that I
43:40desire. Everything else has been divided
43:42out. Including all obstacles, all fear,
43:45all doubt, that's all been divided out.
43:47And then at that point, the decide part
43:50is where it really comes to your will.
43:53before I even ask for it, before I even
43:55put it out, am I ready for this? Is this
43:57is this a decision I am making to go
43:59into the world and get this thing? If
44:01it's not, if I'm just going to wait for
44:03it to come to me, it's not enough. Am I
44:05am am I truly deciding this? And if
44:08you're truly deciding it, then boom,
44:09that's your will. And then you lay it
44:11out. So So yeah, it is um it is a really
44:15unique thing that we're doing with magic
44:16because we are entering into this
44:18transcendental state that is across all
44:21religions. what they're all looking for
44:23and we get there and then take that and
44:25just plunge it right into the changes we
44:27want to make in reality which I think I
44:30think is the hidden message in all these
44:33you know when Jesus is out there saying
44:34all that I've done you can also do and
44:37even greater things when he's out there
44:39healing healing people and he's like hey
44:40why don't you guys can do this too like
44:42step in anytime you guys are ready step
44:44on in move that mountain I mean he's
44:46just telling us straight up and and it
44:48wasn't just Jesus but every single I
44:50think Jesus is a frequency
44:53I don't see if he's a historical figure.
44:56I see I see a frequency. And so that
44:59that frequency can pop up from time to
45:02time. And I think we've seen it in
45:04Roomie. We've seen it, you know, in just
45:05different figures, Buddha probably
45:07different figures throughout history
45:08that have had a similar frequency and a
45:11very similar message. And that message
45:13is always that you are it too. Whatever
45:16it is that you're trying to get to, you
45:17are it.
45:19interesting. Um, Jesus is, uh, I think
45:23that's a frequency. And something else
45:26interesting, I'm a big fan of, uh,
45:28Neville Goddard. I don't know if you've
45:30ever followed any of his work,
45:32>> but um,
45:34he kind of to him Jesus was sort of
45:37symbolic of the magical imagination,
45:40right? You you tap into Christ. To
45:42follow Christ is to follow the
45:43imagination, right?
45:45um and to direct that m imag imagination
45:48toward what you desire. So it's
45:53that's the same message that Christ was
45:56repeating over and over. I know this a
45:58Halloween special. We're talking about
45:59Jesus. Gather around kids. Um but you
46:02know it's like you can do what I'm
46:04doing. You know put put down yourself
46:07right the false identity. Pick up your
46:09cross and follow me. Follow the
46:12imagination. follow the way. And um you
46:17see his disciples later on, they when
46:19they become apostles, they're doing the
46:21stuff, right? They're healing the sick.
46:22They're performing these crazy miracles
46:24in the later books and uh throughout the
46:27book of Acts and and stuff like even
46:29even the Apostle Paul started doing
46:31doing the crazy and then poof we
46:35just kind of stopped and it became
46:38forbidden and it was like you know
46:42>> um
46:44there's the there is there is Uh,
46:53I don't remember the name of this guy.
46:54There's this there's this there's this
46:56guy. Uh, oh man,
47:00his name is going to pop into my head at
47:02some point, but uh but there's this
47:03fell. He was on Joe Rogan a couple
47:05months ago and uh um but he he's got
47:09this he's been doing this genetic
47:11research on uh
47:14psychics and uh because at this point
47:17the psychic abilities are are are
47:19measurable and they're being they're
47:20being not only is it measurable they
47:23they they found the gene that is
47:26responsible for it and it's not a
47:28mutation
47:28>> and it's becoming a a reality.
47:31>> Yeah. Yeah. 100%. or monitochlor
47:37almost exact it's almost the exact same
47:40thing. Yeah, there's a gene but the gene
47:42this gene this gene of psychic and
47:45magical abilities is not um it's not a
47:49mutation. It's the standard gene. The
47:52mutation are people that don't have
47:54that, people that aren't psychic. Now
47:57the Catholic Church it was they they
48:01were doing very very uh hard work of
48:03killing every psychic that they come
48:05across. And so they they they did that
48:08enough that this gene
48:11exists in a much lower number in
48:14Scandinavian and European populations
48:16because of that because it actually
48:18eliminated the psychic gene from that
48:20gene pool. And so yeah indeed I think we
48:23do see uh at the time that that happens
48:26a massive decrease in the miracles that
48:28are being cast every day and the amount
48:30of breakthroughs that people are having
48:31we become a less magical world because
48:34of it. And so I think now we're having
48:36this resurgence where not only are we
48:38becoming more magical people worldwide
48:42it transforms our world. We are we are
48:44living in a more and more magical world
48:46as we go forward because because we're
48:47pulling that's the thing with people. We
48:49don't just we don't just let the world
48:51affect us. We change everything around
48:53us.
48:54>> And you you meet so many people that
48:56just aren't even aware of it. They're
48:57magical people. They're psychic and they
48:59have no idea. They just they they always
49:02know things or or they'll see things or
49:06um I'll give you an example. back when
49:09my wife and I, we we were dating and and
49:12all of that before we even started
49:15dating or or announced it publicly, a
49:19sister-in-law of mine, she wasn't a
49:20sister-in-law at the time,
49:23she had a dream that my wife and I were
49:26going to be together. I She just had the
49:29dream. Lo and behold, it happened. And
49:32um it it was I was shookth. I can tell
49:35you that. And you know, back then it was
49:37like
49:39I was teetering on uh being agnostic and
49:42and wondering what's out there. There's
49:44been a little bit of evidence, but hey.
49:47And um so we're we're like you said,
49:49we're seeing this resurgence
49:52and
49:55I don't I don't think a lot of people
49:56know what to do with it.
49:58>> No. Real quick, his name is Dean Raiden.
50:01>> Dean R. There it is.
50:02>> Yeah. R A D I N. So go check out his
50:05research everybody. Dean Dean Raiden it
50:07just popped in my head but uh but yeah
50:10um he uh yeah he's done done awesome
50:14research with this and so uh we are
50:18magical by nature and uh
50:23yeah
50:26that that really sucks that there's a
50:27significant portion of the population
50:29that's been robbed of it. you know,
50:32>> may maybe in the next life for them. Who
50:34knows? [laughter]
50:35>> Yeah, for sure. For sure.
50:37>> Even though that it's a genetic thing,
50:39you can pass that down to your your
50:41children. I've noticed this my my kids,
50:43they're very they're very much in tune
50:45with things a lot more than I was when I
50:48was that age, or at least aware of. Um,
50:51you know, my daughter, this was around
50:53last Halloween. We're driving to a
50:55Target. We're on our way and she's just
50:57out of nowhere, "Dad, I really want a
51:00basketball."
51:02And I didn't, "Yeah, we we'll have to
51:03get you a basketball one of these days."
51:07We're walking down the
51:09over in the grocery department, uh kind
51:12of kind of where you have like the Cokes
51:14and everything. There's a basketball
51:15sitting in the very middle of the aisle,
51:17child size. She runs over and grabs it.
51:20She manifested this basketball. Okay,
51:22I've got to buy this. [laughter]
51:25>> Sure.
51:26>> Yeah. No, my daughter's my daughter's
51:28done some crazy crazy things through her
51:30life. If if she
51:33Yeah. I I've seen the sky go dark and it
51:35just starts raining cuz she's upset like
51:38out of nowhere. Um she, you know, we've
51:40been sitting in a theater and she's
51:41like, "I don't want to be in the
51:42theater. I want to go." And you know,
51:44this is when she's like just a little
51:45little kid. I'm like, "No, we're going
51:47to watch this thing and then we'll go."
51:48And then the theater goes black and
51:50they, you know, you come on me and
51:52answer, "We've lost power." And so we're
51:53going to exit the theater. Please exit
51:55in an orderly fashion. And my daughter
51:57says, "See." And I'm like, "Okay,
52:00so but here's here's something that one
52:02of my mentors told me this.
52:05This is a Okay, this is a crazy thing to
52:08wrap your head around, right? But when
52:12when you as a mentor meet a student,
52:18that student inherits your knowledge and
52:22power from where you're at at that
52:24moment. Now, you might have to give them
52:26some some teachings to get them up to
52:30speed, but at the moment that they've
52:32come on as your apprentice or that they
52:34start working with you, their energy
52:37shoots up to your level. And then it's
52:38just a matter of them catching up really
52:40quick. So with that, when you have your
52:43children, they're born at the level that
52:46you're at when you have them. All the
52:48skills, all the knowledge that you have,
52:50they've inherited that and then they
52:51just got to catch up really quick as
52:52they learn language and whatever, but
52:54then they're they're basically starting
52:56where you're at. So if you see this as a
52:58race, everybody that you're helping out
53:00starts where you're at and then they can
53:02get past you. Sure, you can you're still
53:04moving, too, but they're they're not
53:05starting way below you. they're starting
53:07at the exact same level that their
53:09teacher is. So, one of my mentors told
53:11me that it's blown my mind ever since
53:13because I've seen it over and over where
53:14it's like, oh yeah, like it's I'm and
53:16that's as a teacher, um an initiator or
53:19any of those things, you're never above
53:21the people that you're teaching. You're
53:23they're standing right next to you.
53:26>> And not only that, my my whole
53:27philosophy is I love I love to see
53:30myself get surpassed. You know, if I if
53:32I can give someone just a little bit of
53:34information or help them out in some
53:36way, even my kids, like I want my
53:39ceiling to become their floor, and
53:41that's a life well-lived for me.
53:44>> I love that phrase, their ceiling to
53:46become my floor. I love that. Yeah. Um,
53:49no, I was thinking about that today.
53:50Actually, I had I was thinking about
53:53that today. this morning was uh um
53:58as a parent, you know, my daughter's 20,
54:0021, almost 22 at this point, and uh I
54:04can look back and and beat myself up for
54:06all the mistakes I made and whatever,
54:08but I can also see the progress and the
54:11improvement beyond my parents. Just
54:14massive leaps and bounds improvement on
54:16my parents. And as she's getting ready
54:17to start her own life and start her own
54:19family, I can only imagine how much
54:21better of a parent she'll be than me
54:23because she's learned from from she's
54:25learned from the best. So, she'll be
54:27able to take that and go even further.
54:29So, it is a it is a really cool thing.
54:31Like, if you're trying at all, you know,
54:34you're probably going to do it pretty
54:35good to uh to to give your kids better
54:38than you got. And and if you can just do
54:40that a little bit each generation, we
54:42could be be doing awesome.
54:44>> Absolutely.
54:46kind of um not to beat a dead horse,
54:51but
54:51>> we texted back and forth about a month
54:54ago and you were talking about dragons.
54:56I think it pertains to the uh the
54:57upcoming book
54:59>> and you you were talking about how it
55:02kind of just all leads back to dragons.
55:07Do you want to talk a little bit about
55:08that if that's ready for public release?
55:13>> Yeah, for sure. Let's see. Yeah,
55:15>> you you were telling me about it and I'm
55:17like, whoa, what is and then you were
55:20telling me how they're just um because
55:23I've never been
55:26conscious of the whole dragon thing
55:29apart from maybe draconian magic, which
55:31is a different thing, I believe. Um but
55:35then you were talking about how there
55:37can be a presence of a dragon when
55:38you're when you're hiking through the
55:40woods. Um, and it's it's part of the
55:43woods, right?
55:45>> Or maybe maybe if you're in a you know,
55:47near some water or I'll I'll let you
55:50take it from here because I don't know
55:51what I'm talking about.
55:54>> Yeah. You know, there's uh there's a lot
55:57to dragons. All right. So, so one of the
55:59things I'm I'm kind of skimming through
56:00my book to see if I've got anything that
56:01I can pull out of here, but uh um it uh
56:09All right. So there's there there's
56:10there's a east west
56:13difference here with what dragons mean
56:17in uh in the western Christianized
56:20world.
56:22Dragons are evil. They're they're
56:24they're symbols of chaos. They're
56:26they're they're guarding treasure. Um,
56:31interestingly in uh in the western idea
56:36of dragons,
56:38well, in in both western and eastern,
56:40you have to go to where the dragon is.
56:42And everybody seems to know where the
56:44dragon is, and they just don't go there.
56:46And so, you've got to know where the
56:48dragons can be found and go there. Now
56:51uh the in in the uh west the idea is you
56:55go to the dragon to slay it or to get
56:57its treasure that you're taking from it.
57:00Um now in the east and when when I say
57:03the east um we're looking at uh you know
57:06pretty much throughout Asia and uh you
57:09know even into some Polynesia we pretty
57:12much the whole uncchristianized
57:15world sees it completely different. The
57:18dragons still everybody knows where to
57:20find them and where you find them is in
57:22nature. And so um there are dragons that
57:26are
57:28if you have a heavy rainfall that's one
57:30kind of dragon. If you've got a light
57:32rainfall just a mist that's a completely
57:34different dragon. And um and the dragon
57:37is the invisible force creating the
57:40rain. It's also the cloud. It's also the
57:42raindrops. It's also your enjoyment and
57:44appreciation of the rain because you by
57:47witnessing the dragon are connected to
57:49it. And so we have these two systems
57:51where
57:53in in the non-Christianized world, it's
57:56understood that these are powerful
57:58forces of nature. They exist everywhere
58:00and they and we can interact with them.
58:02We can participate with them. In the
58:04east, you go to the dragon for wisdom.
58:06That's almost always what you go to the
58:08dragon for. It's not to get their gold.
58:09It's never to slay them. is to
58:11understand how they do what they do. And
58:13if we can understand that then the idea
58:16within this is we can become dragons
58:18ourselves.
58:19And uh now the interesting interesting
58:23part of it though both myths have
58:25something identical in common when you
58:28touch the dragon you become dragon. When
58:31you encounter the dragon you become a
58:32dragon. Now in the eastern mythology
58:35this is that you become dragonlike. You
58:37start to inherit the powers of the
58:38dragon. You can even inherit the powers
58:40of the dragons so much that you can
58:42become a cloud walker. They have legends
58:44of the cloud walkers that that become so
58:47light that they can walk amongst the
58:48clouds and they can they can descend
58:50into form anytime that they want that
58:52they have the power of lightning at
58:53their fingertips. And um and so it's
58:58like a glorious
59:00transcendence to become a dragon. In
59:02western mythology, where you're treating
59:05the dragon as an enemy, you become
59:08cursed to become a dragon. In almost
59:10every one of these myths, the person who
59:12kills the dragon becomes a dragon
59:14themselves. And it's it's uh it's
59:18when I was a kid reading Arththerian
59:19mythology and stuff, I didn't see it.
59:21But when I started looking at dragons
59:23from a magical perspective, I started
59:24seeing it. I'm like, "Oh, every single
59:26one of them, when you fight the dragon,
59:28you become a dragon in some way or or
59:31another. you become a dragon. So with
59:34that any contact with the dragon
59:36instills you with their nature and you
59:40can either approach it in hostility and
59:42have a hostile interaction or approach
59:44it in uh in honor and respect and then
59:47have an honor honorable respect
59:49respectable uh communication and
59:51conversation. Now [clears throat]
59:55the
59:56All right. So So I was I was working
59:59through and this was like
1:00:02a handful of years ago, but maybe like
1:00:0410 years ago at most. I was working
1:00:07through some of Asimoth Mason's dracon
1:00:10draconic uh workings and and it was like
1:00:13uh
1:00:14>> is no joke by the way.
1:00:16>> Was that
1:00:17>> that stuff?
1:00:19>> Not at all. Um, it was one of her, you
1:00:21know, it's
1:00:25I can't remember the phrase, but it was
1:00:27ha
1:00:29ha draonus or something like that. God,
1:00:31I can't remember. I can't remember.
1:00:33>> Megasonus, I believe.
1:00:35>> Oh my god, dude.
1:00:37>> Okay. Okay. Okay.
1:00:39>> That that was very lucky of me.
1:00:42>> That's awesome because that that was it.
1:00:44and she, you know, she's got this
1:00:46invocation and she a lot of hers used
1:00:48that, but this one just rolls through
1:00:50that several times. And I'm getting
1:00:51myself into a trance. And I was like
1:00:54trying to and I was doing this in my
1:00:56temple. And this was in my last house.
1:00:59Doing this in my temple. And I'm like
1:01:02I got a feeling like
1:01:05it it wanted to connect with me. The
1:01:07dragon wanted to come, but I didn't set
1:01:09aside the appropriate space. How could
1:01:12it fit inside my temple? And I was like,
1:01:14well, a lot of times I'll perceive
1:01:16spirits
1:01:18that their half of their body is going
1:01:20through the the the the roof and they
1:01:22don't care like because the the building
1:01:24doesn't. So So I was like, well,
1:01:26whatever. Uh, so I kind of brushed it
1:01:28off and I was like, maybe maybe there's
1:01:31nothing to this dragon stuff. And then I
1:01:33go out repelling. I I it's one of my
1:01:35favorite fun fun fun pastime activities
1:01:38is go out in the uh the desert, find a
1:01:40canyon, hook a rope off to a tree or
1:01:43something and just repel repel down and
1:01:45and have fun playing around in the
1:01:47canyon. So, I go do that and I uh I get
1:01:51a couple there's a couple ledges I had
1:01:53to go off of before I got to the long
1:01:55one. This is a long fluted one. It's a
1:01:57beautiful It's called Yankee Doodle
1:01:59here. If you ever come out here, I'll
1:02:00take you out of it. It's awesome. Not
1:02:02scary, but I'm always up for a good time
1:02:04and a scary time.
1:02:06>> Yeah. Um, but uh I get there and uh
1:02:13I step to the edge. I [clears throat]
1:02:14get my rope throw my rope down. I see it
1:02:16like uncoil. You know, you you you like
1:02:18watch your rope uncoil to make sure it
1:02:20doesn't get snagged on anything. So, I
1:02:21watch it. It uncoils, falls to the
1:02:23bottom, everything's good. So, I step
1:02:26back and I take a drink of my water and
1:02:29I get hit with
1:02:32like a it's like a spiritual stage like
1:02:36a fade of gamma sink crossroads just
1:02:38hit me just boom and I was like
1:02:41whoa what's going on here and I I lean
1:02:44back and
1:02:46take another drink of my water. I'm like
1:02:48I got to stabilize myself here. This is
1:02:50a dangerous position to be kind of like
1:02:52a little, you know, out of my mind. And
1:02:55so I kind of stabilized myself and I I I
1:02:58look around
1:03:01the canyon that I'm inside of. I could
1:03:03see it as I was inside of the throat of
1:03:06a dragon. And I could see the walls of
1:03:11the canyon expanding like the dragon was
1:03:13breathing. And then I looked at the the
1:03:16tops of the the the the mountain and uh
1:03:20the the the the rocks that just looked
1:03:23like rocks before were like scales
1:03:25sticking up out of the dragon's face.
1:03:27And it was just like I'm on and inside
1:03:31of a freaking dra and it wasn't like a
1:03:34oh this kind of looks like a dragon. It
1:03:36was like holy I'm inside of a
1:03:39dragon right now. It hit me so hard and
1:03:43um and I got a really strong feeling
1:03:45that that was what what could be called
1:03:46an earth dragon. That was a dragon of
1:03:48earth. And uh and that was my first like
1:03:51real contact that I felt cuz I cuz I
1:03:54felt like I've reached out to dragons
1:03:56and I felt this thing but that was the
1:03:58first like breakthrough of like oh no no
1:04:00this is real and like they
1:04:04the things that we call canyons and
1:04:06mountains are the bodies of dragons and
1:04:08it's not that they're dead. They're
1:04:09still alive. They're just moving so
1:04:11slowly that for generations you wouldn't
1:04:13see them move. And uh for for earth
1:04:16dragons at least. Then you got fire
1:04:18dragons that will erupt out of
1:04:19volcanoes. The fire dragons will come
1:04:22off of the heat of the sun. Um any any
1:04:25kind of uh mass destruction, you're
1:04:27going to see fire dragons all over the
1:04:29place. And you can even see this if
1:04:30you're watching like news clips of uh
1:04:33fires and stuff like that. Take some
1:04:34freeze frames and you see dragons in the
1:04:37flames. Um, now dragons don't always
1:04:40need to be at the massive level because
1:04:42this is the crazy thing about them.
1:04:43They're also at the smallest level that
1:04:45uh you light a candle's flame and
1:04:47there's a little dragon there. You even
1:04:49get deep into it, the human the human uh
1:04:52DNA strand is two dragons mating and uh
1:04:56and so because of that there
1:04:58at at our very core we are dragons. Now
1:05:02go to Hinduism. In Hinduism, they have
1:05:04the mythology of the Naga. In in a like
1:05:08strict sense, the Naga are a race of of
1:05:11of serpent beings, serpent men, snake
1:05:14snake people that lived amongst us. They
1:05:17were they had god-like powers and they
1:05:19taught us they taught they taught some
1:05:21of the first yogis. Um, it said
1:05:23Pentangeli was a uh was was half naga,
1:05:27one of the rumors about him. And he
1:05:29Pentangi is the guy that basically
1:05:30codified yoga as a system. So with that
1:05:34though,
1:05:36those naga that would appear in forms
1:05:39are just
1:05:41manifestations of a greater serpent
1:05:44kingdom. And this serpent kingdom
1:05:46surrounds everything that we know to be
1:05:48our reality. Every plane, every every
1:05:51state of dimension is nestled inside of
1:05:55serpent uh tunnels. So you know how like
1:05:58a snake will just dig a bunch of tunnels
1:06:00and whatever. Our existence is nestled
1:06:03inside of these serpent tunnels and uh
1:06:05that the serpents are still making
1:06:06tunnels and still changing reality
1:06:08around us as they move. And so at the
1:06:11biggest level of what our existence lies
1:06:14inside of, it lies inside of serpent
1:06:16tunnels being created by serpents. At
1:06:18the smallest level of ourselves, of our
1:06:20DNA, what makes us exist is a is two
1:06:24serpents mating within our system at
1:06:26every level of our being. So can't get
1:06:29away from the dragons like
1:06:32dragons all the way up and all the way
1:06:33down. And and then and then
1:06:36stretch it out even further. The
1:06:39archangels all seem very dragonlike.
1:06:42They all have dragon-like
1:06:43characteristics. So do the demons. So do
1:06:46like almost every spirit that you can
1:06:48you can start to work with. You're like,
1:06:49"Wait a there's like a serpentine dragon
1:06:52essence no matter what religion you're
1:06:54working."
1:06:55>> Yeah. Um I that made me um
1:07:00it reminded me of like um
1:07:03Cabala
1:07:04is could that be one area of human
1:07:08consciousness us trying to understand
1:07:11sort of the uh the serpentine nature of
1:07:14everything the the dragon in a way um
1:07:17cabala kind of makes up consciousness
1:07:20but it's also a mirror of the universe
1:07:22right
1:07:24>> yeah 100% understand. So with Cabala,
1:07:27Cabala is um so we shouldn't see these
1:07:31systems as different systems at all.
1:07:34It's different people making
1:07:37it's different people making maps of the
1:07:39same territory. And so it's somebody's
1:07:42map's going to look a little bit
1:07:43different, but for the most part they're
1:07:45describing the exact same thing. So um
1:07:47within cabala yeah you got the you got
1:07:50the tree and upon the tree all realities
1:07:52are are interconnected and and affecting
1:07:54one another but that tree and that tree
1:07:57is thought to be the planetary system
1:08:01all of the planets in the solar system
1:08:02linked together but that tree is also
1:08:04within the self it's the spine and the
1:08:07chakras and the the energetic and even
1:08:09biological system and so that comes into
1:08:12the as above so below and that So that
1:08:17phrase in in writing elemental sorcery,
1:08:21I I really dug into that cuz I've heard
1:08:22that phrase over and over and over and I
1:08:24was like, let me actually find out about
1:08:25this. Dude, that is an it is ancient
1:08:27ancient that comes from ancient Egypt
1:08:29from the emerald tablet of Th. And uh it
1:08:33is um it's one of the very first
1:08:35recorded like magical or spiritual
1:08:37direct teachings is that which is above
1:08:40is like that which is below. At every
1:08:42level, we're we're working with a
1:08:44holographic universe where we Yeah. The
1:08:47dragon within is just the same as the
1:08:49dragons without. And that's a that's a
1:08:51powerful thing with a magical mind frame
1:08:54because
1:08:55in order to change the thing outside of
1:08:57yourself, you connect with the thing
1:08:59inside of yourself that's related. And
1:09:01if you can change this thing, the
1:09:02outside thing changes because they're
1:09:04reflections.
1:09:05>> Oh man,
1:09:08[laughter]
1:09:08you got me stumped, dude.
1:09:12that. Give me just one sec. I'm I'm
1:09:14gonna plop out. I'm gonna be right back.
1:09:16I just got to grab I'm going to grab
1:09:17another pack of cigarettes. I smoked
1:09:18through all my cigarettes already.
1:09:20>> I hear you.
1:09:22All right.
1:09:24I'm going to ramble a little bit. But
1:09:26EA's probably going to cut this out. So,
1:09:28we'll just shorten it up. But just in
1:09:29case. Hope everybody's having a happy
1:09:32Halloween so far. If you're watching
1:09:33this on Halloween, I don't know if you
1:09:36have any big plans or not. I'm going to
1:09:39be my family. I think we got invited to
1:09:42like um like a fire at someone's house
1:09:45or something and we're going to do some
1:09:47trick-or-treating. But anyway, EA is
1:09:49back and we are niced up and ready to
1:09:54go.
1:09:55>> Thank you.
1:09:56>> Quick observation. So, this is this is
1:09:59interesting
1:10:02and I got to spit it out before I
1:10:04forget,
1:10:05but uh you you were talking about how uh
1:10:08in sort of Eastern belief,
1:10:12the moment you touch a dragon, you
1:10:16receive its wisdom, right? Your mentor
1:10:19told you the same thing about you.
1:10:22>> Wow. [laughter]
1:10:24Yeah. I I hadn't even thought of that,
1:10:27>> dude. Um, another thing, too,
1:10:32your uh repelling spot, I don't feel
1:10:34like it was at random, right? That was
1:10:36you being summoned to that spot for that
1:10:38lesson, right?
1:10:41>> Oh, yeah. Oh, for sure. For sure. Um,
1:10:46yeah. Yeah, 100%. 100%.
1:10:50I found that a lot. Um,
1:10:54I will
1:10:57I have the luxury to to to
1:11:01arrange my schedule as I want to. Like I
1:11:04do I'll do consultations and like
1:11:06podcasts that that we have a time for,
1:11:08but if I don't have something on the
1:11:10schedule,
1:11:12I know how to keep myself valuable to to
1:11:14to my work. And so like sometimes that
1:11:16sometimes sometimes that means that I'll
1:11:19feel a little magnet pull me out of my
1:11:22house into the desert and I just follow
1:11:24that magnet and uh
1:11:29I I haven't been back to that place um
1:11:32that that Yankee Doodle Canyon. I
1:11:34haven't been back there since, but I
1:11:36wonder if I went back there.
1:11:39I wonder if the dragon is still there
1:11:42or if it possessed that place for that
1:11:44moment.
1:11:45>> I wonder if I would still be there or if
1:11:48I was only meant to experience it that
1:11:49one time. Uh you know there there's an
1:11:53is no 100% I think I was drawn out there
1:11:55for that that out of nowhere a couple
1:11:57days after doing that kind of having
1:11:59this like failure with uh with calling a
1:12:01dragon that I was like well I might as
1:12:03well go do something fun and then just
1:12:04got pulled into that for sure. Yeah.
1:12:08Absolutely.
1:12:09>> Well, and then and then so that was that
1:12:11was the first time, but that's not
1:12:12that's not been the only time because
1:12:14when you start perceiving it again,
1:12:16dragons are everywhere. And so um
1:12:21go to a river and you just like sit in
1:12:24the river or even better float down the
1:12:26river and uh and you are riding on a
1:12:29dragon and [clears throat] you can feel
1:12:30that you're riding on that dragon and
1:12:32you just have to tune into it. And then
1:12:35not only is it a dragon of water that
1:12:37you're riding upon, but then there are
1:12:38dragons of air carrying that moisture
1:12:41everywhere. And there's a full like a
1:12:43fully immersive experience. But here's
1:12:45the thing.
1:12:47Like I said before, you got to go uh in
1:12:51every mythology about the dragon, you've
1:12:54got to go to where the dragon is at. Um
1:12:57the dragon hardly ever comes into the
1:12:59city, hardly ever comes into people's
1:13:01houses. The dragon is almost always
1:13:03found in a cave, at the top of a
1:13:05mountain, at, you know, at a river, um,
1:13:09natural places that are kind of
1:13:11untouched by humans. They don't they
1:13:13don't want to be around people that
1:13:15much. They'll be around chosen people.
1:13:18And that's another thing about dragons.
1:13:20They're very good about hiding
1:13:21themselves. And so, if they don't want
1:13:23to be seen, they they're not going to be
1:13:24seen at all.
1:13:26>> Oh, wow. Do um does this have any
1:13:30correlation with like uh the concept of
1:13:32a dragon line? You know, we have lay
1:13:35lines, but I've heard um I've heard
1:13:38people use the terminology dragon line,
1:13:41>> like a dragon lineage like of uh
1:13:44>> No, like um like you have a lay line
1:13:47which is sort of the geom uh geomagnetic
1:13:49grid around Earth and they're they're
1:13:52supposedly like um dragon lines. I've
1:13:55heard people
1:13:56>> Okay. I'd have to ask my wife. She knows
1:13:58a lot more about this stuff than I do.
1:14:01>> But uh
1:14:01>> I'm looking up right now. I'm looking up
1:14:03right now. It looks like in fune and
1:14:04Chinese geommancy that they have dragon
1:14:07veins that are uh the winding contours
1:14:10of mountains and hills. And so so so
1:14:14here's what you can do. Take a
1:14:16topographical map and you're going to
1:14:18see the dragon lens. I was just about to
1:14:20say you can go down YouTube rabbit holes
1:14:23and you'll you'll find like um there's
1:14:26always a guy with like the coke bottle
1:14:27glasses and he's showing you these maps.
1:14:29He's like, "See that? That's a petrified
1:14:31dragon right there." And he'll show you
1:14:33the grand university. That old dude.
1:14:36>> Yeah. Yeah. [laughter]
1:14:38Um but I'm I'm always I get suckered
1:14:42into watching that stuff all the time.
1:14:44Um
1:14:45>> he's on to something,
1:14:46>> dude. you there. I've seen videos where
1:14:49they'll um they'll show you there's like
1:14:52petrified at least it looks like it
1:14:54might be petrified, but it'll it'll look
1:14:56like just scales on the side of a cliff
1:14:59or in a cave. You'll you'll clearly see
1:15:01a tail or you'll see the formation of a
1:15:03head or a snout. And it's interesting.
1:15:07It's interesting to see something like
1:15:09that because is the thing really
1:15:11petrified or is that how we perceive it
1:15:13with our five senses? Um, interesting.
1:15:17It reminds me of uh there's a Norwegian
1:15:20movie. I think it's called Troll. And uh
1:15:24at the very beginning of the movie,
1:15:25you've got this uh girl and you've got
1:15:28her father. And they're sitting up on
1:15:31this mountain and they're looking at
1:15:32what her father describes as trolls. And
1:15:34she's like, "Dad, they're not trolls.
1:15:36Those are mountain tops." And he says,
1:15:39"Sometimes believing is seeing." And so
1:15:41she forces herself to believe for a
1:15:43moment. just for a moment she sees the
1:15:45trolls and then they end up being these
1:15:47real things. So it it's I wonder if
1:15:50there's any you know truth is stranger
1:15:53than fiction. I would say
1:15:56>> there's there's a um a mountain range
1:15:58out here. Dude, I love I love living in
1:16:01this area. I have people ask me a lot.
1:16:03They're like, "Why would you live in
1:16:04Utah with all the Mormons?" It's like
1:16:06because I don't inter I don't interact
1:16:07with people. I interact with nature. And
1:16:10uh and the nature here is amazing.
1:16:12There's a there's a mountain range here,
1:16:14just a small small mountain range called
1:16:17um uh Red Mountain. Um and locals call
1:16:23it Big Red. And Big Red, uh it's a
1:16:27mountain that kind of has little
1:16:29communities nestled in there. And it has
1:16:31a um a shiv with a band of the Pyute
1:16:35tribe that that their uh their
1:16:37reservation is right tucked inside of
1:16:39this. And if you look at it,
1:16:43if you look at it with magical eyes, you
1:16:45can see that it's a sleeping man. A
1:16:47sleeping man lying on his side. And uh
1:16:50the old um the old story is is that he's
1:16:54a he is a giant that's sleeping there
1:16:58and he's a protector of the area and
1:17:01that it's prophesied that at some point
1:17:03he will awaken to protect his people.
1:17:06And so imagine this giant I mean it's a
1:17:09mountain just standing up and and and
1:17:11it's like that
1:17:12>> that's an ancient story. That's a story
1:17:14that was told from ancient times that
1:17:16still continues to this day. And I see
1:17:19that when I look at that mountain I see
1:17:20that now my my my ex-girlfriend from
1:17:22several years ago. She was an engineer,
1:17:25a math-minded girl. She didn't have any
1:17:28belief in magic at all.
1:17:31But we drink iawaska one day and uh she
1:17:34had a spring break off and so I make a
1:17:36little homebrew iawaska and we drink
1:17:38that and we're tripping and goes sit out
1:17:41on the back porch and she looks at that
1:17:43mountain cuz we got a shot of it from
1:17:45our back porch. She looks at that
1:17:46mountain. She goes, "Oh my god, it's a
1:17:48person." I'm like, "Yeah, that's what
1:17:51I've been telling you." She's all I've
1:17:53never never seen that. And she she's
1:17:55just amazed. She's taking pictures of
1:17:57it. And the next day I I I go, "Yeah, do
1:18:02you still see the person?" And she looks
1:18:04she's all, "What?" "No, it's just a
1:18:05mountain." She looks through all of her
1:18:07photos. She's like, "It's just a
1:18:08mountain." And so there's a there's an
1:18:10interesting uh thing that you're see
1:18:12you're saying there of uh of you you've
1:18:14got to be in like the right place to
1:18:16even perceive it.
1:18:19>> Oh man. I don't know how much more time
1:18:21you've got now. We're at uh 1:24 my
1:18:24time, but I wanted to You just said the
1:18:27You just said
1:18:28>> do another like half hour. Let's do
1:18:29another half hour.
1:18:30>> Okay. You just said the word giants and
1:18:33you have mentioned you've mentioned in a
1:18:35live or two that you you're planning
1:18:37something about the Nephilim.
1:18:40>> So
1:18:40>> I was wondering if you could shed a
1:18:42little bit of light on that because
1:18:44that's that's the one thing if I threw
1:18:47out all of
1:18:49like the Bible
1:18:51>> and kept the Nephilim. That's the one
1:18:54thing that so many cultures around the
1:18:57world have described these uh red-haired
1:19:01giant people and sometimes cannibalistic
1:19:03in nature.
1:19:05>> Now,
1:19:07>> there's also something else Michael W.
1:19:09Ford mentioned in one of his books. I
1:19:11cannot remember the book. It might have
1:19:13been the Bible of the adversary,
1:19:16but he he talked about uh how hum we're
1:19:20in a way Nephilim, right? we are your
1:19:24spirit meets,
1:19:26>> you know, mammals. So, I was wondering
1:19:30what your take on all of this stuff is.
1:19:33What is what is the Nephilim? You know,
1:19:36we we we've all heard the story about uh
1:19:39the soldiers encountering the the dude
1:19:41in Iraq or Afghanistan in the cave. Um
1:19:46so, you take it from here.
1:19:49>> Yeah. Yeah. Well, uh, so
1:20:00these next several books that I'm
1:20:02writing, probably beginning with
1:20:04Elemental Sorcery, probably for the next
1:20:07like 10 books after that, it would be
1:20:10better to see them not as books, but as
1:20:13chapters of one big book. Um, and I've
1:20:18I started perceiving a couple years ago.
1:20:20I just like
1:20:23I just opened the floodgates. It was on
1:20:25virt
1:20:28I I did a ritual to Satan. And uh all
1:20:32the all the lights came on on the things
1:20:34that I needed to not do because I was
1:20:36wasting my time on and what my what my
1:20:39path ahead of me was. Dude, it was like
1:20:41I was standing in a dark hallway. It
1:20:43seemed like for a couple years trying to
1:20:45fill around and all of a sudden just the
1:20:46lights came on boom shows me the whole
1:20:49way. Not the whole way because there's
1:20:51still I don't after after these 10 books
1:20:53I'm sure something else will be
1:20:55revealed. I don't know because it's it
1:20:57but so elemental sorcery is providing
1:21:00the uh the the baseline of all sorcery.
1:21:05And then on top of that, next is going
1:21:07to be the uh tree of light and shadow
1:21:10that walks you through the full path
1:21:11working of the uh the Sephro and the
1:21:14cliff off. So I walk you up the Sephro
1:21:16through the back door, down the cliff
1:21:18off, back home. And so this is a full uh
1:21:20cyclical underworld return working. And
1:21:24uh then after that and then I needed to
1:21:26do that to kind of pave the way for
1:21:28these other concepts because I'm showing
1:21:30the uh I'm showing and getting you in
1:21:32contact with the energetic structure of
1:21:34our reality. And then we're going to
1:21:36with that structure. And so with
1:21:38that that's that's what that that book
1:21:40is really laying out the energetic
1:21:42structure that we currently live in. Now
1:21:43then after that is a book I'm going to
1:21:47do a book on uh the a grimmoire of
1:21:49archangels ju just cuz I've got to I'm
1:21:52sure there's more to it but I just feel
1:21:53like
1:21:55this will be the one time in my life I
1:21:57probably ever write this book about
1:21:58about angels. I I've got to go there. I
1:22:00feel like there's something I need to
1:22:01encounter there before I flip all the
1:22:03way back over to the dark side because
1:22:06that's
1:22:06>> powerful. It needs to be talked about.
1:22:08>> Oh for sure. Well and and it needs to be
1:22:10taken out of the religious framework.
1:22:12Angels are not religious. And so if we
1:22:15can take them out of that and understand
1:22:16them as as vectors of of power, then
1:22:20there there's something powerful there.
1:22:22Then then I'm getting into the grimmoire
1:22:26of the dragon where I'm going to get
1:22:28deep into the dragons.
1:22:31What I'm what what my task is going to
1:22:33be that I can already it's already going
1:22:35to be a difficult task. I can see is how
1:22:37to harness the power of the dragon for
1:22:40your magic. how to uh that's one part of
1:22:42it and then how to how to allow that to
1:22:45transform you to become more dragonlike
1:22:48with that book that's I'm going to take
1:22:50dragons from every system try to see how
1:22:53we can find the the the common threads
1:22:55but Aazel is going to be the main guide
1:22:58through that aazel I think is one of the
1:23:00primary dragons that has made contact
1:23:02with humanity and has given us what we
1:23:04need and I do feel that he is a dragon
1:23:06in his in his purest form and uh so then
1:23:10the dragons which are these hyperc
1:23:12cosmic creatures
1:23:15are birth are able to birth things into
1:23:17this world and that's where the nephilim
1:23:19come in. So that's my next book after
1:23:21the dragons is the magic of the
1:23:22nephilim.
1:23:24So
1:23:26we I I do believe that every human being
1:23:29right now is Nephilim. However, I
1:23:32believe that most of us are latent
1:23:34Nephilim. We've got the Nephilim power.
1:23:37We've got the ability to become giants.
1:23:39But but it's been suppressed. And so
1:23:43what we're doing with our sorcery is
1:23:44we're reawakening these powers. We're
1:23:46and and we're getting to dude is so
1:23:50every religion speaks of a ancient age,
1:23:53the the the golden age where man and God
1:23:57walked hand in hand and miracles were
1:23:59just a daily part of life. And um that's
1:24:03that's the recurring cycle like we're
1:24:05moving back towards that. This is why I
1:24:07say we're moving to into a more and more
1:24:09magical age. I do believe it's going to
1:24:11be fully magical and the cycle returns
1:24:13and we are walking once again with our
1:24:15gods. I do think that it's on a personal
1:24:17level first being that I bring
1:24:22Aazel is the god that I work with and
1:24:25and and bring through the most. And so
1:24:28part of my ongoing sorcery is to
1:24:30continue to make contact, keep the gate
1:24:32open and continue manifesting him and
1:24:35his presence here through both my
1:24:37rituals as well as just my daily actions
1:24:39in my being and my life becoming I
1:24:42become like a uh a gateway that's
1:24:44anchoring his presence and uh and then
1:24:47as more and more of us do that with and
1:24:49it doesn't matter if you do that with
1:24:50Jehovah or with Buddha or with Muhammad.
1:24:52I don't get I don't care because all
1:24:55that matters is you're anchoring into
1:24:56the other side because that's that is
1:24:59I'm dude I'm rambling so much but
1:25:01[laughter]
1:25:01one of the big things one of the big
1:25:03things I've come to is I'm I've got I've
1:25:05gotten really tired of the the divisions
1:25:08of like astral plane and mental plane
1:25:10and causal plane because they all blend
1:25:13together. And what I what I started
1:25:15understanding is we have our little
1:25:17reality that's like a little a little
1:25:19container that we're in and then we have
1:25:21the other side and it's everything else.
1:25:23And it it all does mix in together. But
1:25:27we've got ourselves and then the other
1:25:29side. And what we've got to do is
1:25:30whatever your whatever your beliefs are,
1:25:33connect with the other side, open the
1:25:34gateways and that expands the whole
1:25:37reality.
1:25:39So with that, yeah, I do think we are
1:25:41Nephilim.
1:25:43Um, I do think that there have been
1:25:47giants in the past who have
1:25:51harnessed their Nephilim capabilities
1:25:54more that they have been true demigods
1:25:56amongst us, but that if we harness our
1:25:58abilities, we can do the same for us.
1:26:01Does it matter becoming a larger size?
1:26:03So, so there's an interesting thing
1:26:04about the Nephilim. Not all Nephilim
1:26:07were thought to be giants. There was a
1:26:09specific type of
1:26:10>> ask um, right? because you've got
1:26:13giants, but then we've got all sorts of
1:26:15mythology of these other things. Uh you
1:26:18know, um look at Greek mythology. Look
1:26:20at all these different creatures um that
1:26:22that look at the demigods. Look at
1:26:25Achilles and and
1:26:28carry on.
1:26:29>> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. 100%. So you have um I
1:26:35believe it's the Anakim is a specific
1:26:38segment of the Nephilim that are giants,
1:26:40but that's just a specific type of
1:26:41Nephilim. Others were just known as men
1:26:44of renown that they were the great men
1:26:46that walked amongst us. Uh most systems
1:26:49do do declare them to be demigods. Um
1:26:52yeah, and I so and I do think that we do
1:26:55have we do have a latent capability that
1:26:58through our sorcery we're unlocking. Um
1:27:02Yeah. Yeah.
1:27:04And so with the magic of the Nephilim,
1:27:05this is dude, this is this is going to
1:27:08be a difficult the dragon book and the
1:27:10Nephilim book are both going to be
1:27:11really hard because I'm looking at these
1:27:13ancient systems trying to recreate how
1:27:16to contact because that's part of it.
1:27:20Contacting the Nephilim. So there is
1:27:23there there are a few different books of
1:27:24the giants where they give the names of
1:27:26the giants. you can use those names to
1:27:29contact the dead giants, the dead
1:27:30Nephilim. And uh and so that's one part
1:27:33of it is to connect with the those that
1:27:35we know or that we have record of that
1:27:38were Nephilim to inherit their powers.
1:27:40Again, what we what we said about the
1:27:42whole apprentice meeting the mastered
1:27:45when we meet those Nephilim, we're
1:27:46inheriting part of their power just by
1:27:48meeting with them and then walking down
1:27:51the pathway becoming more Nephilim
1:27:53ourselves. It is hard. So I asked
1:27:56I asked Aazelle cuz I did an evocation
1:27:59of him just to ask about this be like
1:28:02while I was planning it out. I'm like
1:28:03should I do a book on Nephilim? And
1:28:05Aazel says you are Nephilim and more
1:28:08Nephilim you you can become. And I was
1:28:11like okay cool. And I said what about
1:28:13this whole cannibalism thing?
1:28:16And he said what cannibalism? And I
1:28:18said, "Well, it said that um that the
1:28:20Nephilim would eat humans and that uh"
1:28:24and he said, "It's not cannibalism for a
1:28:27species to eat a lesser species."
1:28:30And I went, "Oh, damn.
1:28:33That's nuts." Because like, yeah, we
1:28:35want to think of it as cannibalism, but
1:28:37if they are if if we are if we are just
1:28:42these little mud people that don't
1:28:44really have any power. We don't have any
1:28:45any real souls. We haven't awoken
1:28:47ourselves. And then we have this giant
1:28:49species that are amongst us with godlike
1:28:52powers. Yeah, it looks like two
1:28:54different species altogether. It's not
1:28:55necessarily cannibalism because they're
1:28:57not eating each other.
1:28:58>> They're looking at us.
1:28:59>> It is. It is. Some of the mythologies do
1:29:03talk about the can the giants eventually
1:29:05eating each other for sure. But uh but
1:29:10that so so the myth of that though is
1:29:11that their hunger is too great. And
1:29:14there's a there's a really interesting
1:29:15like lesson there. Their hunger is so
1:29:17great that they ate everything and they
1:29:20ate almost all the people they could eat
1:29:21and then they started eating each other.
1:29:23Um and we got the same mythology in the
1:29:26Norse mythology of uh of Fenrir the wolf
1:29:29who his hunger becomes so great that he
1:29:32devours the whole world. So a similar a
1:29:36similar kind of lesson being taught
1:29:37there of like uh
1:29:40uh yeah don't I don't know what's what's
1:29:43the lesson there. Don't don't get too
1:29:46don't don't let your hunger get get
1:29:47control of you. Don't let your own
1:29:49desires get out of your grasp. Well,
1:29:51it's back to uh we were talking about
1:29:53the darkness earlier. You had brought up
1:29:56like um the example [clears throat] of
1:29:59like the affair, right? You you you feel
1:30:01like you can become another person
1:30:04>> um because somebody else can bring a
1:30:07side of you that was already a part of
1:30:08you out, but for some reason you didn't
1:30:10feel comfortable expressing that side of
1:30:13you with the person you're with. That's
1:30:15the darkness consuming you, right? and
1:30:18too much. You know, when someone goes
1:30:21and murders someone or commits some kind
1:30:22of crime, the darkness consumes them and
1:30:26uh I feel like maybe that has something
1:30:29to do with it. I don't know.
1:30:31>> Yeah. Very well.
1:30:34>> That that that is a that well that that
1:30:36that is the fine line that we do walk
1:30:41within
1:30:43black magic within the left hand path is
1:30:46very explicitly consciously confronting
1:30:49the shadow and trying not to break
1:30:51because of it. you know, trying to uh
1:30:54keep ourselves together because it is it
1:30:56it is difficult because you do have to
1:30:58face all of the darkness within you. And
1:31:00that's um
1:31:03I've had I've had some pretty I've had
1:31:05some pretty nasty enemies,
1:31:08spiritual and just mundane, but none of
1:31:11them are nearly as as as evil as I can
1:31:13be to myself. And that's that's one of
1:31:15the things that we can we can see is
1:31:16like when you when you get to know your
1:31:18own darkness, it's like it's it's almost
1:31:20it's almost becomes like a funny
1:31:22especially when you get to like
1:31:23self-sabotage, when you start to become
1:31:24conscious of it, it's like a little game
1:31:26you're playing with yourself. It's like,
1:31:28oh, you put that in front of me again
1:31:29and I I see it. I see what you're doing,
1:31:31little sucker. [laughter]
1:31:35>> Absolutely. Um,
1:31:36>> but if you're but if you're not but if
1:31:38you don't consciously look at the
1:31:40shadow, if you're not willing to sit
1:31:42with it,
1:31:44that's when it develops ridiculous
1:31:46power. It's not just a little sucker
1:31:48playing little games here and there.
1:31:49Instead, it becomes uh it becomes a
1:31:53fierce monster that's lurking in the
1:31:54background. And the beauty is your
1:31:57darkness can become a monster when you
1:31:59need it to, but you don't always need it
1:32:01to. And so it is it is cool to have that
1:32:06conscious kind of agreement with it.
1:32:07Hey, when I need you, let's go. But I
1:32:10don't need you right now. I'm at a
1:32:11birthday party. Let's relax. You know,
1:32:13>> and that that way of thinking would have
1:32:16saved the entire Star Wars story, right?
1:32:20[laughter]
1:32:21>> Like the Jedi are just they repress
1:32:23everything and so there there's no
1:32:25emotion. There is only peace and we are
1:32:28serene. But then the Sith is like the
1:32:30the complete opposite of that all the
1:32:32way, you know, there's only desire,
1:32:35there's only passion and and you had
1:32:37Anakin becoming Vader and he's just like
1:32:41just goes balls to the wall, unleashes
1:32:43all of it and can't contain himself and,
1:32:47you know, finding that balance in the
1:32:49middle. That's what it's all about.
1:32:50>> Well, the interesting I do I I do love
1:32:53the original Star Wars uh mythology.
1:32:57They really got off track with some of
1:32:58the newer movies and whatever, but
1:33:00regardless. Oh,
1:33:01>> you mean uh after George Lucas or
1:33:04>> before the prequels?
1:33:06>> When when Kathleen Kennedy came on the
1:33:08scene, that's that's when it really
1:33:09started to tanking. Um
1:33:11>> those aren't canon.
1:33:13>> No, those aren'table. And also there's
1:33:16there's a uh
1:33:20there's a really strange corporate
1:33:23warfare going on where it seems that
1:33:25people are tanking they're destroying
1:33:27brands that that like stupidly like they
1:33:31don't need to. And I think it seems
1:33:33seems like that's happened with like a
1:33:34lot of what Disney's taken on that
1:33:36they've grabbed a lot of things and
1:33:39>> destroyed them. And it seems
1:33:40intentional. It's like nobody could have
1:33:42messed up. They they were given Star
1:33:44Wars. It's such a it's such an easy
1:33:46mythology. It's good versus evil and
1:33:48then one guy in the middle, you know.
1:33:51>> Yeah.
1:33:52>> But with that,
1:33:56so there's a whole thing where Anakin,
1:33:59Darth Vader,
1:34:01is said to be the chosen one. He kind of
1:34:04he he falls to that corruption of of his
1:34:06own his own uh passions eating him
1:34:09alive, and he's not able to resist it.
1:34:11Now, Luke has a similar thing. Luke
1:34:14stands right in the middle. It's
1:34:16interesting like throughout Luke kind of
1:34:18refuses to really be a Jedi. He's always
1:34:21kind of arguing with the Jedi. He
1:34:22doesn't really fit in as a Jedi. We see
1:34:25little little cues to this where, you
1:34:26know, he he'll wear a he'll wear a um a
1:34:30white is it a black shirt with a white
1:34:32flap or the white shirt with a black
1:34:34flap? But, uh it's it's one of those
1:34:36that shows like he's got a little of
1:34:37both. He's both, you know, and it's a
1:34:40really interesting thing that they've
1:34:41done with that whole mythology for sure.
1:34:44>> See Luke in the uh in the Return of the
1:34:47Jedi movie and he's wearing his black
1:34:50Sith robe and he goes into Jabba's
1:34:52palace. The D he's using deception. He's
1:34:55lying. He's using the dark side of the
1:34:57force in that. And a lot of people don't
1:34:59realize that the
1:35:02>> in the deeper cannon beyond the movies,
1:35:04you get really want to nerd out. He goes
1:35:06and and digs up these old Sith holocrons
1:35:09and and he's learning the ways of the
1:35:11Sith and saying, "How can I integrate
1:35:13this and actually use use this in a
1:35:16balanced way?"
1:35:18>> Yeah, for sure. Um I love I love uh Drew
1:35:22Carpathians. I I don't know if that's
1:35:24how you say his last name, but he's done
1:35:25some books about like Darth Bane. I
1:35:27think he did one on Darth Revan. U he's
1:35:30done some amazing where he's he's
1:35:32building the cannon in a perfect way.
1:35:34Oh, dude. I love I love there's there is
1:35:37and with that like what the [laughter]
1:35:39when you start looking so so in the like
1:35:42common era of Star Wars of of where
1:35:45Darth Vader and and and Luke Skywalker
1:35:48and all of that story
1:35:50we're seeing a crippled Jedi and a
1:35:54crippled Sith like they're not at their
1:35:57full power even close because when you
1:36:00go back into the the the old you what do
1:36:02they call the old empire the old age the
1:36:03old republic
1:36:04that uh that they're they're they're
1:36:07basically demigods. I mean, these that
1:36:09they're very few of them are actually
1:36:11they'll use lightsabers for fun. It's a
1:36:14fun little thing that they could do to
1:36:15joust with people, but for the most
1:36:17part, they're just force choking.
1:36:18They're blocking out suns. They're one
1:36:20of them is I think it's nightless like
1:36:23force absorb light force from an entire
1:36:26planet. It's like, oh man. Yeah, that's
1:36:30what
1:36:32>> I love the uh there's two YouTube
1:36:34channels I [snorts] if if I'm just
1:36:37taking a walk, I'll just I'll listen to
1:36:38those. One of them is Sith Mastery and
1:36:40the other one I think it's called Order
1:36:42of Rage. Then it goes into like these
1:36:45old it tells the stories of these uh
1:36:48like old Order Sith. And you know these
1:36:50weren't like you see in the movies right
1:36:53where uh this goes in they actually had
1:36:56a had a structure you know they had the
1:36:58uh what was the rule of two
1:37:01never had um more than two Sith
1:37:04>> but you had a master and apprentice and
1:37:06the um
1:37:07>> the apprentice role was to rise up to
1:37:09the rank of the master and eventually
1:37:11strike down the master. And if he could
1:37:14he was never meant to be. If he was able
1:37:16to do it, the master's job was complete.
1:37:19>> Well, I'll tell you what, D. So this
1:37:20this same this same uh archetypal
1:37:24framework exists very much today in the
1:37:27lefth hand path and in the right hand
1:37:29path too where
1:37:32because the idea with the rule of two is
1:37:34that you take all the power of the force
1:37:37and only funnel it through a few people
1:37:40just through two and then you have two
1:37:41people that are the pinnacle of the
1:37:44force and everybody else has been
1:37:45eliminated.
1:37:47And uh and then the Jedi way is um a bit
1:37:51different where you're actually trying
1:37:52to find everybody who's capable and
1:37:54bring them in and and then you have a
1:37:56you are all raising the baseline. And so
1:37:59it's uh I find myself on the Jedi side
1:38:03where I'm like if we can get magic to
1:38:05everybody, everybody everybody raises
1:38:07up. But then you do have those people
1:38:09who like no, we got to keep it secret
1:38:10because they feel like that'll rob them
1:38:12of their power. It's a really
1:38:14interesting It's a really interesting
1:38:15thing that uh that's brought out there.
1:38:17>> That's such a silly thought, too. Like,
1:38:19oh, somehow there's going to be less
1:38:22magic for me if if this regular guy that
1:38:24works at Walmart knows how to use it and
1:38:26this guy over here knows how to use it
1:38:27and she knows how to use it and you
1:38:29know, we're we're collectively raising
1:38:31consciousness and dude, we can work this
1:38:34wealth magic. We we live in a screwed up
1:38:36system that's against us is trying to
1:38:38keep everybody impoverished and hungry
1:38:40all the time, scraping by. And the
1:38:42secrets are there. You can literally use
1:38:44it and bend reality to your will. All
1:38:47right? You you can use this magic to to
1:38:50literally transform yourself from the
1:38:52inside out. You relationship problems,
1:38:54that's a you problem. You could
1:38:56transform yourself. Your relationships
1:38:58are going to get really good with the
1:38:59use of magic. All of this stuff,
1:39:01literally all of it. and we're trying to
1:39:03keep it secret and quarantined and, you
1:39:06know, tucked away and gatekept and
1:39:08everything else. It pisses me off. I
1:39:11digress.
1:39:13>> No, for sure. But it but that but that
1:39:16is there there is something cool. You
1:39:20know, I was wearing um my Bezelub tank
1:39:22top the other day and went into Walmart.
1:39:25I go into Walmart and uh um this dude
1:39:28goes, "I like the spells that you're
1:39:30casting on your shirt." And I'm like,
1:39:32"Thanks, dude. I love the spells I'm
1:39:34casting, too. They're working really
1:39:35well for me." But just to have like
1:39:37there's been a a significant shift
1:39:40culturally in the last like several
1:39:42years, it's been really I I'm like it. I
1:39:46like it a lot. I like the fact that
1:39:47people can be more open with their
1:39:48spirituality that not everybody cuz like
1:39:52when I was a kid, probably when you were
1:39:54a kid too, almost everybody was
1:39:56Christian. Everybody was going to some
1:39:58church or another. It wasn't like
1:40:00>> obligatory.
1:40:02>> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Like for everybody
1:40:04culturewide and that goes like every
1:40:07every family just went to their their
1:40:09Methodist church or whatever. You had it
1:40:10in the Simpsons and and everything.
1:40:13>> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. No, for sure. And uh
1:40:16and that has changed for the better. Now
1:40:19with that, we're seeing a lot of strange
1:40:21things with our society and in people
1:40:26>> going a little haywire with the freedom.
1:40:28You know, we see a lot a lot of people
1:40:31that are and we do see like our our our
1:40:33society and our culture is just like a
1:40:34lot of people are going real crazy with
1:40:36their freedom. But that's okay. There's
1:40:39a that's part of the process. Um there's
1:40:42there there's a really interesting
1:40:43cultural revolution going on right now
1:40:45and I have no idea where it's going to
1:40:47go because it's so chaotic and and part
1:40:50of the problem is it's being pushed.
1:40:52There's a lot of things being pushed and
1:40:54financed by by people who have interests
1:40:56in pushing things one way or another. So
1:40:59dude, it's it's nuts. It is nuts. And
1:41:01right now is the best time to get to
1:41:04know yourself. Go silent. spend some
1:41:06time in quiet with yourself because
1:41:08there's so many voices that are that are
1:41:11stirring up, especially online. And
1:41:13the more that gets do the more that gets
1:41:15found out about about social media, it's
1:41:18like 80% bots. So most of the people
1:41:21that you're fighting with online are not
1:41:22people.
1:41:23>> Did you have you ever seen that photo or
1:41:26there might have been a video?
1:41:28There was this young dude just in a in
1:41:31this room. It looked like a control room
1:41:33and there's probably 500 phones on the
1:41:36wall. All of them just typing in.
1:41:40There's just little arguments everywhere
1:41:41just trolling everywhere possible. Half
1:41:44of these if you're in the occult and you
1:41:47create a cult content or you're always
1:41:49getting people, you know, say Christ is
1:41:51Lord, Jesus saves, Jesus saves. That's
1:41:54probably not even a Christian type in
1:41:56that, you know, that's someone just
1:41:58trying to get under your skin to get you
1:42:00knocked off your center to to troll and
1:42:02and it's just a bunch of shills. It's a
1:42:04bunch of bunch of shills trying to
1:42:07direct things. I I even saw um
1:42:12I saw something interesting uh a little
1:42:15while back. There was a there was a big
1:42:17popular um person on Tik Tok who was uh
1:42:22she was big in a tarot reading and then
1:42:24all of a sudden had this um come to
1:42:26Jesus moment realized that the occult
1:42:27wasn't for her. She goes back to the
1:42:29church all over the thing. It was in
1:42:31almost in mainstream media and um I
1:42:35think her name was like Alex Reed's
1:42:37Tarot or something.
1:42:39But then I I saw this uh I saw another
1:42:41video where someone was showing how
1:42:43there's this uh organization
1:42:45that will actually plant
1:42:48Christians into the occult and they'll
1:42:50spend years building a building a
1:42:53platform, building an audience, building
1:42:55credibility so that whenever they have
1:42:58their big wakeup call and they have
1:43:00their walk away, they'll take 500,000
1:43:03people with them.
1:43:06>> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Um, no, 100%. I think
1:43:09I' I think I've seen that happen in
1:43:11person with uh with some people and be
1:43:12like, "Oh, what the hell's going on
1:43:14here?"
1:43:14Um there's a
1:43:18um
1:43:23almost every single
1:43:26traditional satanic group out there, the
1:43:29ones with bad reputations, the one with
1:43:31good reputations, almost every one of
1:43:34them is is set up by the FBI or other
1:43:37intelligence agencies. Um that's that's
1:43:39that's like a that's like a fact.
1:43:41>> Um and so
1:43:44When people are going to find satanic
1:43:46information or information about demons,
1:43:52they could go to responsible sources
1:43:54like you and I. Or they could find these
1:43:57psychotic groups that tell them to go do
1:43:59psychotic things and then make a bad
1:44:02name for everybody. I do think that
1:44:04there is
1:44:06something here. I'm going to go here.
1:44:08I'm going to go out into left field. I
1:44:10think there's something really big
1:44:13that's coming.
1:44:15Um, I think the my Nephilim book is
1:44:18going to be coming just in time because
1:44:20I think there are some breakthroughs
1:44:22that are starting to happen that are
1:44:24showing us that we're not who we we
1:44:25thought we were. That the thing that we
1:44:27thought were aliens are not aliens.
1:44:29They're beings that have been with us
1:44:30all along. That our reality is much
1:44:32bigger than we thought it was. And uh I
1:44:34think there's there's there's I think
1:44:36the structure that's been keeping these
1:44:38lies is starting to crack. And I think
1:44:41that and I think we can see every
1:44:43government in the world is preparing for
1:44:45it. This is what's going on in Iran.
1:44:46This is why we've invaded Venezuela.
1:44:49Locking down resources in preparation
1:44:51for this thing. Now, with that, they
1:44:54want to they don't want people like us
1:44:56getting out there too much to uh
1:45:00detract from their narrative because I
1:45:02think their narrative is still going to
1:45:03be that we're weaklings. We're if
1:45:05they're aliens or whatever, that we're
1:45:07subject to them. No, we're not subject
1:45:09to We are living gods. And that's
1:45:11the message that we have that we
1:45:12actually can hand people. And that's a
1:45:15dangerous thing. That's cuz that is I
1:45:17think that's ammunition in the arsenal
1:45:20that goes against the system. Every
1:45:23person that awakens that grabs their own
1:45:25power that starts realizing you can
1:45:27manifest your entire reality that's a
1:45:30person that can't be controlled anymore.
1:45:32That's a slave that just got out of
1:45:33their chains.
1:45:35>> Dude, um really interesting on that. You
1:45:39[snorts]
1:45:40I don't keep up with it a ton there. I
1:45:44went through this phase where I was just
1:45:45obsessed with uh this was a few months
1:45:47back because aliens were being talked
1:45:50about a little bit more. I'm like, "Oh,
1:45:52finally we're going to talk about this."
1:45:54And um
1:45:56I've noticed there's a lot of peppering
1:45:58in of uh yeah, back in the 70s there
1:46:01were, and this is very interesting to
1:46:03notate,
1:46:05there were some hostiles and they were
1:46:07shooting lasers at people and they they
1:46:10looked reptilian, you know, the dragon
1:46:11type aliens. It's it which we don't I
1:46:15don't think they're aliens at all. I
1:46:16think we know who they are. Um but it's
1:46:19interesting how they're already
1:46:21assigning who the bad guys are. Um and
1:46:25then you know the good guys are these uh
1:46:27like the little grays which aren't
1:46:29actually they're like um cybernet
1:46:32cybernetic organisms or something like
1:46:35that. So, I I it's just interesting how
1:46:39they're they're trying to um program the
1:46:42masses already and and get us fearful of
1:46:47something. And
1:46:50let me let me flip too.
1:46:54I don't think when when everyone knows
1:46:57that some kind of contact is coming,
1:46:59it's already been happening, right? Um
1:47:03there was uh what what's his name? Chris
1:47:06something. He wrote the book UFO of God.
1:47:09And uh he actually lives in my state,
1:47:11North Carolina. And
1:47:13>> Chris Bledsoe.
1:47:15>> Chris Bledsoe. He had personal
1:47:17encounters and didn't encounter he had
1:47:21encounters with like these little beings
1:47:22but his most profound encounter
1:47:25was this lady in white who came to him
1:47:28and took the form of a bull and he's
1:47:32like okay this is Hatheror he figured it
1:47:34out and he all goes back to Egypt and
1:47:36and so these and all of a sudden the
1:47:39government's showing up to his house and
1:47:40and everything they're wanting to know
1:47:42there he became their source of intel
1:47:46these um these interdimensional beings,
1:47:51intelligences, whatever you want to call
1:47:53them. I don't think they're going and
1:47:54looking for the president. I don't think
1:47:56they're going and looking for government
1:47:57officials. I think they're looking for
1:48:00those of us who are more on their level
1:48:02in a way.
1:48:06>> Yeah. Yeah. Um
1:48:10my personal theory is that uh
1:48:14our government has already been involved
1:48:16with one species or one one group and uh
1:48:21has made you know deals with them and
1:48:23I'm not sure which group that would even
1:48:24be but there are a lot of different
1:48:26forces out there. There's tons of
1:48:28different stuff out there. Um but uh but
1:48:31they are trying to steer the narrative
1:48:33of trying to make us
1:48:35think that well first off they're trying
1:48:38to make us think that they the
1:48:39government are the good guys. I think I
1:48:42think we got to look at all the
1:48:43information and understand our
1:48:45government's the bad guy and and it's
1:48:47not just our government
1:48:48>> would never hurt you. We want the best
1:48:50for you.
1:48:51>> Right. Yeah. [clears throat]
1:48:54Um, you know, and and it's dude, it's
1:48:56it's obvious that the the distrust in
1:48:58government has is at an all-time high.
1:49:00Uh, and people um
1:49:06almost almost everybody out there is
1:49:08just hoping for some kind of disaster or
1:49:10civil war or something to come to knock
1:49:12the power system out. But the the the
1:49:15thing is it's not going to be like that.
1:49:17I think the numbers of humans have
1:49:19gotten too big. the numbers of the
1:49:21control systems and the power they have
1:49:22has gotten too big that it's not one big
1:49:25thing that wipes out the power system.
1:49:26It's every individual elevating
1:49:28themselves and then the power system
1:49:31just crumbles.
1:49:33>> Yeah.
1:49:34>> 100%. And and and I think that's what
1:49:36they're trying to, you know, when when
1:49:37you look at uh
1:49:40when you look at countries that have um
1:49:44that are mainly uh Islamic controlled
1:49:46countries that don't allow witchcraft,
1:49:49they're very they're very uh obvious in
1:49:53their in their I went through and I did
1:49:57I did a little deep dive on on the witch
1:50:00hunters around the world and because
1:50:01there are a lot of like countries like
1:50:03Iran that has full-on witch witch
1:50:04hunters. And uh in their documents, the
1:50:08thing that they say that gives them why
1:50:11they're doing this, why it's a public
1:50:13good to round up witches and execute
1:50:15them
1:50:17is because witchcraft gives the
1:50:19individual hope over their own life. Um
1:50:24>> you shouldn't have hope.
1:50:26>> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It is because because
1:50:28you you should you shouldn't have hope
1:50:29for your own life. you should you should
1:50:31only hope that God gives you the good or
1:50:33that the government does good for you.
1:50:35But for you to have any kind of hope for
1:50:37your own life, no. And so that's that
1:50:39was a crazy thing. That specific word
1:50:41hope came up in several of these
1:50:42documents where I was like, they don't
1:50:44that that that that's one that's a
1:50:47powerful thing to be like, you know, I I
1:50:49can change my circumstances. Just that
1:50:51thought there, there's something I can
1:50:53do to make things different. That is
1:50:55powerful. And that's what they're trying
1:50:56to suppress. I I think those countries
1:50:59are doing it the most obviously, but we
1:51:01still have the same kind of suppression
1:51:03going on here.
1:51:04>> I do think a part of it is is that we
1:51:06you and I are teaching people how to use
1:51:09[snorts] tricks that only the elite used
1:51:11to know how to use.
1:51:12>> Yeah.
1:51:12>> And it makes them powerless.
1:51:15>> You know, then that's such a a scary
1:51:18thing. We at least have a degree of an
1:51:21illusion of freedom, right? We're not
1:51:22going to get stoned if we go out and and
1:51:26confess to the world our love for Satan.
1:51:28>> We're going to give books or we might
1:51:30even get excommunicated, but we're not,
1:51:33you know, we're not going to get
1:51:34imprisoned for that. They'll find other
1:51:36ways, right? Um they'll they'll find
1:51:38something to pin on us, but ultimately
1:51:40we we have freedom of religion that our
1:51:43forefathers definitely fought for and
1:51:46we've been able to maintain.
1:51:49Um,
1:51:51I'm I've spoken to people in Iran and
1:51:54that's a scary thing. I'm I'm They're
1:51:57telling me, "Yeah, it's bad over here. I
1:51:58could get I could get put to death for
1:52:00even talking to you." I'm like,
1:52:03>> that same
1:52:07bleeds for people. I I can't even reach
1:52:09out to talk to somebody
1:52:11>> about this stuff. You know, I I I had I
1:52:13was I was on a consultation with a fella
1:52:15and I I could tell he you know, he was
1:52:16he was talking in a really hush voice
1:52:17and I said, you know, is it um do you
1:52:20have family members that might overhear
1:52:22you and you're worried about like what
1:52:23they're going to think about this
1:52:24conversation? He goes, "Anybody if
1:52:26anybody hears me, they will turn me in
1:52:29and I'll be executed." And I was like,
1:52:30"Are you what?" And that was, you know,
1:52:32this was early on in my career and that
1:52:34was my first time of like understanding.
1:52:36Wow, that's nuts. So yeah, we we do have
1:52:39a ton of religious freedom here, but
1:52:42we need to keep fighting for it. There's
1:52:44So there's an interesting thing talking
1:52:46about bots online and plants online.
1:52:50There is a really interesting funded
1:52:53campaign
1:52:55for Christianity right now. And it's not
1:52:58grassroots. Grassroots, your average
1:53:00individual, there's an awakening going
1:53:02on. Most people are turning towards
1:53:04meditation and and nature and things
1:53:06like that. Like a lot of people are
1:53:08feeling that. Hardly anybody is actually
1:53:10turning towards the church. We see the
1:53:11lowest amount of like church numbers in
1:53:14history. It's just plummeting. But
1:53:16there's a million people online talking
1:53:18about how they're converting and how
1:53:19they just converted and they found God
1:53:21and da da da. And it's um it's a really
1:53:24interesting funded campaign. It's really
1:53:26interesting because like
1:53:28if dude do I if I have a camera break,
1:53:30I've got to look at my bank account go
1:53:32like can I afford to buy this? do I have
1:53:34to wait and like figure something out
1:53:35for the month until I get paid again?
1:53:38Because that's how normal people live
1:53:40life and uh and so for me being like a
1:53:43I've always just every now and again
1:53:45I've hired assistants but for the most
1:53:46part it's just been me and a camera in
1:53:48my garage doing my thing. So for me,
1:53:51when I started seeing these highly
1:53:53funded campaigns with people that come
1:53:55out with a podcast and they got a
1:53:56perfect studio behind them, perfect
1:53:58lighting, perfect audio, it's like,
1:54:00dude, no, that takes years to develop
1:54:02that kind of knowledge, that kind of
1:54:03tech technology, even gathering that
1:54:05kind of stuff. Who the hell's funding
1:54:07you? And so there's an interesting
1:54:10funding happening right now to get uh to
1:54:13get people to think that the that
1:54:15Christianity is the new big thing. It's
1:54:17a It's a really interesting not I'm not
1:54:19sure who's funding or where it's coming
1:54:21from, but it's interesting.
1:54:22>> They were doing that. Um and they've
1:54:24been doing this for a little while,
1:54:26right? Um
1:54:28it it's it seems like it's starting to
1:54:30crack a little bit. I remember when
1:54:32Christianity,
1:54:34this was just a few years ago, it was
1:54:36all the rave. You had the mega churches.
1:54:39Who Who's that um the rockar?
1:54:43>> Not Joel Olstein. He um Carl Carl Lintz,
1:54:47you know, he untucked shirt, the shades
1:54:50on stage, and you know, $5,000 sneakers
1:54:53on. He's like, "You got to give it all
1:54:56to Jesus." And uh you know, just really
1:54:58hip trying to win over the youth. Um you
1:55:01know, Joel Ostein, that guy's on a
1:55:04different level, you know, over in
1:55:05Lakewood Church and and and
1:55:07televangelist.
1:55:10They were trying to they they've been
1:55:12the same way that the uh these
1:55:15threeletter agencies have always done.
1:55:16They they infiltrate everything and they
1:55:18try to get it if they can win over the
1:55:20youth especially if they can you know
1:55:23win over the the vast majority in some
1:55:25way making it seeker friendly. They they
1:55:27started they weren't preaching hell and
1:55:30brim brimstone and and and hellfire so
1:55:34much anymore but it was acceptance and
1:55:35all of this other stuff.
1:55:38But then on when you get on the inside,
1:55:40that's when the uh the strict rules and
1:55:42the rigid and you you know there's no
1:55:44you there's only God. There's no you.
1:55:46There's only following Christ.
1:55:49But then there you they've [snorts]
1:55:51they've uh taken a podcast I actually
1:55:54saw Joel Ostein on a on a podcast and it
1:55:57was the most human talk I've ever heard
1:55:59him in. And this is intentional, right?
1:56:04did it. This is moment someone gets on a
1:56:06podcast is like the
1:56:08they break the fourth wall in a way.
1:56:10You're you're not seeing the rockstar on
1:56:12stage anymore. You're seeing the human
1:56:13being. I even found myself like I could
1:56:16I could probably have a beer with this
1:56:18guy. And but that if that that works on
1:56:21me, think about everybody else that that
1:56:23would that that shit's going to work on.
1:56:25And he he got that with all of them.
1:56:29>> Yeah. Uh Kenneth Copelan. Um so there's
1:56:31this young guy that's out there, Bryce
1:56:33Crawford. this young uh Christian that's
1:56:34out there trying to convert people and
1:56:36he had a meeting with uh with um
1:56:39Copeland, Kenneth Copelan, this old old
1:56:42pastor, and he says, "You know, I was
1:56:45kind of doubtful about him, but there
1:56:46was a minute there
1:56:49where he looked down and he went quiet
1:56:51for a few minutes
1:56:53and he looked up with a tear in his eye
1:56:55and he said, "I just" and he says
1:56:57something like like, "I just love my I
1:56:59love Christ so much." and just like got
1:57:01emotional with him and he said that was
1:57:03the breaker for me. I could tell and I
1:57:04was like dude you don't know that that
1:57:05was rehearsed. He practiced that a
1:57:08million times and he makes sure that he
1:57:09gets you alone where nobody else is
1:57:11there so he can do that little act and
1:57:13he shows it to you. Oh, that shit's
1:57:15rehearsed and uh and and it's it it's
1:57:19nuts how obvious the conity are.
1:57:22>> Trained experts in emotional
1:57:24manipulation. go to any church service
1:57:28and pastors
1:57:30>> as soon as uh they'll they'll play a
1:57:32certain key when it's time to take up
1:57:34collections and uh you know you pay 10%
1:57:37of your paycheck, they'll get you in a
1:57:39giving mood and then they're they're
1:57:41preaching this message of yeah, just one
1:57:43tiny 10% of your paycheck and God is
1:57:46going to bless you so much more
1:57:47abundantly. But then they've got to keep
1:57:50you hooked. So at the end they start
1:57:53playing a minor key and it's all somber
1:57:55and you feel, "Oh, I've been a piece of
1:57:58all my life. I don't know where to
1:58:01turn." Everyone's head's bowed and their
1:58:04eyes are closed. Just slip your hand up
1:58:05and we'll have a deacon come and and
1:58:07talk with you and we'll get you signed
1:58:09up and uh
1:58:11>> do But um
1:58:13>> yeah, that when they get on these uh
1:58:15podcasts, anything like that, it's so
1:58:18rehearsed. They they can make tears fall
1:58:21from their eyes. They
1:58:24I've been to I've been to uh mega
1:58:26churches where they have three sermons
1:58:29in a single morning. You've got the
1:58:308:00, the 10:00, and then the uh 12:00.
1:58:34And then there would be a I caught like
1:58:36the middle sermon. This is years ago. I
1:58:39caught the middle sermon. My wife and I
1:58:41looked at each other because this lady's
1:58:43standing up there giving an announcement
1:58:44and she starts crying. Like, so is this
1:58:47the second or the third time that you
1:58:48cried over the same thing? Right. It's
1:58:51[laughter] like,
1:58:55>> they have in in the Mormon church, uh I
1:58:57grew up in Mormon church, and uh on the
1:59:00first the first Sunday of every month,
1:59:02they have what's called fast and
1:59:03testimony.
1:59:05>> So, you fast for the day. You don't eat
1:59:07breakfast when you come to to church.
1:59:10And uh it's an open mic so anybody can
1:59:13get up and just bear their testimony
1:59:15about what the church means to them,
1:59:17what God means to them. But it's
1:59:20guaranteed the same couple people get up
1:59:22every week and they just they'll cry
1:59:24about how much their family means to
1:59:26them. It's the same thing every every
1:59:28week. And uh but but the other thing
1:59:31about it was as a kid,
1:59:34they teach you, they train you in the
1:59:37exact words that you say. Um, I'd like
1:59:39to bear my testimony. I know that this
1:59:42that this is the true church and that
1:59:43Jesus is my savior, that Joseph Smith
1:59:45was the true prophet and that if I obey
1:59:48all the commandments, I can go live with
1:59:50my family in the heavenly kingdom, the
1:59:51social kingdom after I die. And you got
1:59:54this whole like a memorized script. And
1:59:57so you'll hear that everybody saying the
1:59:59same thing and
2:00:02crying over it. And so there's this
2:00:04emotional reaction and and you know when
2:00:06you see somebody cry for the most part
2:00:08un unless you can see through the facade
2:00:11for the most part you feel bad for them.
2:00:12You get a sympathetic a sympathetic urge
2:00:14of like oh sorry for you and so you have
2:00:17this like this whole group hypnosis
2:00:19that's being done through just this one
2:00:21meeting of bearing your testimony. And
2:00:23it is it is it's a nutty nutty nutty
2:00:26manipulation. Um, what was crazy to me
2:00:29when I went back to church as an adult,
2:00:32uh, I I I went back for like a year,
2:00:34year and a half and, uh,
2:00:37just trying to change my ways and find
2:00:39God and whatever. And I I gave it my
2:00:42fullest. And I believe I do believe I
2:00:44found the God of that religion and I
2:00:46decided it was not for me. But, um,
2:00:49>> you can say you tried.
2:00:50>> Oh, for sure. For sure. Yeah. Um, but I
2:00:54uh I did a a a year of repentance and um
2:01:00quit smoking, quit having sex, quit all
2:01:03the fun things in life. Um, cut my hair,
2:01:06started wearing different clothes, did
2:01:07the whole thing. And then at the end of
2:01:10the year, I go meet with the bishop to
2:01:12see if I like if I've passed my
2:01:15repentance because it's like a full
2:01:16year, a full year of repentance. And uh
2:01:19and he looks through everything. He
2:01:20talks to me and he and he goes, "Yeah,
2:01:21how do you feel, my dude? feel like I'm
2:01:23more on my spiritual path than ever. I
2:01:25am walking with angels. Like, this is
2:01:27this is great. He looks through his
2:01:29paperwork and he goes, "Oh,
2:01:32I don't see that you're caught up on
2:01:33your tithing." And I went, "What do you
2:01:35mean?" He goes, "Well, you work for this
2:01:38guy doing this kind of job that should
2:01:40get you this kind of wage, and it looks
2:01:42like you haven't paid a full 10% of
2:01:44that." And I'm like, "Well, I get paid
2:01:45in cash. I get paid in cash, and I give
2:01:48you cash in an envelope. And what I give
2:01:50you, you need to trust me that that's
2:01:53that's the portion that I feel like I
2:01:54need to pay. And uh and he would not
2:01:57pass me off. He wouldn't give me the
2:01:59because because the next step is that
2:02:01that's when you get to start taking the
2:02:02sacrament. That's when you got to start
2:02:04taking the sacrament where you eat the
2:02:05bread and the water and get the the
2:02:07blood and flesh of Jesus in you. So I
2:02:10was like, "All right, dude." So on my
2:02:13next paycheck, I slammed down whatever
2:02:16the amount was that he thought I should
2:02:18pay to get up up in total. Slam that
2:02:20down. I was like, "Here you go. We're
2:02:21we're caught up. He's like, "All right,
2:02:23you can take sacrament at the next
2:02:24meeting." So, uh, I do I put that piece
2:02:28of bread in my mouth, dude.
2:02:30I thought it was going to light me on
2:02:32fire. It didn't do anything. It was just
2:02:34a piece of bread. I was I was so
2:02:38Dude, I was so like crushed in that
2:02:41moment. I eat the bread and I I sit with
2:02:43it and I tried to feel something and
2:02:44it's like nothing. It's just a
2:02:46piece of bread. and and and it it was it
2:02:49was really clear to me like the church
2:02:52didn't care about my spiritual progress
2:02:54or what I was experiencing. They just
2:02:56wanted their money so they could feed me
2:02:58a piece of bread.
2:03:00>> Yeah. [sighs]
2:03:01Well, you know, the damnest thing, you
2:03:03probably could have had your own little
2:03:04ritual at home and made some more
2:03:06powerful bread.
2:03:08>> For sure. Well, so so the thing that I
2:03:12saw is that there were a couple a couple
2:03:16guys that I would hang out with in the
2:03:17church. One, one's name was Reese, and
2:03:20he uh he's he he really impacted me
2:03:22because he uh he would use the power. He
2:03:26would he would he would say a prayer and
2:03:29actually heal people. He he would uh he
2:03:31he could he could actually pull the
2:03:33power through. And uh I ate some of his
2:03:37bread once and and I'll tell you what, I
2:03:39felt lit up by the spirit because he had
2:03:41put the spirit in there. And there's a
2:03:44there's a that guy Ree was uh
2:03:49he was threatened with excommunication
2:03:51several times from the church because he
2:03:53was a wild card. He was one out there
2:03:54preaching the gospel outside of the
2:03:56outside of the confines of the church.
2:03:59And um and that's what the that's what
2:04:01these organiza any organization do when
2:04:04it comes to joining up any kind of club
2:04:06or group. It's going to be corrupt.
2:04:08That's just how organizations and groups
2:04:09of people work.
2:04:11>> That's what that's regardless of church
2:04:13or um even in the occult, especially in
2:04:16the occult. Um
2:04:18>> what what do you think that is the um
2:04:22he had this power? Do you believe that
2:04:25was
2:04:26just his own knowing, his his own
2:04:29assurance in his power or do you believe
2:04:32that we know that's not coming through
2:04:35the church? Right.
2:04:36>> Right. Yeah. That that that he was able
2:04:39to piggyback the message of the church
2:04:41to connect with real power. Um which you
2:04:44you you kind of do have to like uh
2:04:48sift through the dogma and kind of put
2:04:50some of that aside and go, "Oh, there's
2:04:51the light being in there." because it's
2:04:53like you know when again when when I
2:04:55look at Jesus I see a frequency and the
2:04:57same frequency is in Krishna and it's
2:04:59easy for me to see those two things
2:05:01together and uh and and so I think he
2:05:05connected with that allforgiving
2:05:09allloving power behind the church and
2:05:13and behind the gospel that he was able
2:05:14to to to to get get to that and then
2:05:17channel that through him. Um,
2:05:21he gave me his method. So, so you ask
2:05:23him how he did it. He gave me his method
2:05:26and he actually he trained me in it. We
2:05:28would we would go out, I'd get off at
2:05:31work, he'd come pick me up and we'd go
2:05:32drive around and find out who we could
2:05:33heal, who we could bless. We'd go sit
2:05:35around in public and just watch people
2:05:36and see if they needed us to give a
2:05:38prayer over them. Sometimes we'd ask,
2:05:40sometimes we do it privately. We'd go
2:05:42up, find a top of a mountain and go out
2:05:44to a random city and put a blessing
2:05:46across that city and then watch the
2:05:48crime rate decline in that city over the
2:05:50next couple weeks. Um, it's just working
2:05:53miracles with this dude. But here's the
2:05:56process he laid out for me is uh
2:06:01say some preparatory words. Um, the for
2:06:04for for for this it would be you put
2:06:06your hand to the square. That's a
2:06:07masonic symbol. Bringing your hand to
2:06:09the square. everything that you do at
2:06:10that point is squared up and uh and and
2:06:13you're you're basically creating the
2:06:14geometric formation of the uh of the the
2:06:19of the structure that you're creating.
2:06:21So hand to the square and give your name
2:06:24and by the power of Jesus Christ I and
2:06:27then shut your mind up. You don't say
2:06:31another second word after I because it's
2:06:33not you that's saying I. I bless that or
2:06:37I curse or I pronounce whatever the I
2:06:40is. You shut up and you let God speak
2:06:43through you and
2:06:47yeah just a matter of turning yourself
2:06:49off and turning it on and then whatever
2:06:52comes through you have to say it. And so
2:06:55if that's um and there have been times
2:06:58where people have come to him for a
2:06:59blessing and he's put his hands on their
2:07:02head and said, "I'm sorry, you will not
2:07:04be healed. You need to suffer a bit
2:07:06longer for you to gain the experience
2:07:08that you need from this." And it's like,
2:07:10"Dude, why didn't you heal her?" He's
2:07:11like, "I I it's not me. I don't have
2:07:13control. I open it up to God. God's the
2:07:16one speaking through me." And um and so
2:07:19in practice of it while when I started
2:07:20taking it on and trying it myself,
2:07:23it is uh
2:07:28the initial words are connecting
2:07:30connecting you. So you don't have to say
2:07:32Jesus Christ if you don't want to land.
2:07:33You can say Satan, you can say Lucifer,
2:07:35whatever the being or or power or just
2:07:37yourself. But you make that initial
2:07:39connection and then when you shut
2:07:41yourself up and allow it to flow
2:07:43through.
2:07:47Let me back up.
2:07:50When you're deciding
2:07:52this city needs a blessing or this
2:07:54person needs a blessing or this needs to
2:07:56be cursed, when you're making that
2:07:58decision, you're already entering into
2:08:00the current. You're already attaching
2:08:02yourself to the energy. And so before
2:08:05you even cast the blessing, if it's not
2:08:07meant to be, you won't stand inside of
2:08:09that current. You'll just move on in
2:08:11another city, another person. But when
2:08:13the shocki moves through you, then then
2:08:16it is a matter of just fully standing in
2:08:18that current. And what you're channeling
2:08:19is not necessarily the voice of God, but
2:08:22it is the pronouncement of the thing
2:08:24that should be. You're connecting with
2:08:26that reality. And it is this way. It
2:08:28should be this way. I'm setting that
2:08:30right. And then you're just speaking it
2:08:32out loud. whatever it is. Um, and uh,
2:08:36and then it happens. It's it's it's nuts
2:08:38because it is like you say it, you
2:08:40disconnect from it and every time what
2:08:42it feels like to me and and this is
2:08:45still a technique I have used and still
2:08:47use to this day when I'm when I'm
2:08:49channeling any kind of blessing or
2:08:50anything like that. It it feels like um
2:08:54a [snorts] surge of something coming
2:08:56through me, an energy that must find
2:08:59some words and then the words are just
2:09:02an expression for that energy to go out
2:09:04into the world. And then afterwards I
2:09:06feel shaken by it. I feel my body feel
2:09:10will feel kind of cold kind of like cold
2:09:12and tingly and um and I'll feel like uh
2:09:17humbled. I'll feel humbled almost like I
2:09:20got zapped by lightning but I'm still
2:09:21here. It's a it's a really unique
2:09:24experience. But yeah, that's the process
2:09:26that he taught me. I was just like 19
2:09:28years old and he's like, "Hey, check
2:09:29this out." And transformed my whole
2:09:32thing. But he could do the same thing
2:09:34with any power by calling on any name.
2:09:36When people say that like they have a
2:09:38bad experience, they had night terror.
2:09:40They have a um
2:09:43uh what do they call the witcher that'll
2:09:45sit on your chest when you're sleeping?
2:09:47Um that they'll call out
2:09:49>> Yeah, there we go. Yeah. So that they'll
2:09:52call out to the name of Jesus and then
2:09:53it disappears. Is not the name of Jesus
2:09:56as that you called out with authority
2:09:57and connected to to some power. You gave
2:10:00it a name and then you channeled it with
2:10:02confidence and you could do that with
2:10:03anything by by the power of Pinocchio
2:10:06and you can make it happen.
2:10:07>> What's the thing? Um naming something
2:10:10Neville Goddard made the point. I've
2:10:13recently read his books. um you know
2:10:17anyway
2:10:19he uh
2:10:21something spoke to me that was
2:10:23interesting in uh I think it was like
2:10:25the Neville Goddard collection
2:10:30to name something name means nature so
2:10:32it's the embodiment you take on the
2:10:35nature of the thing so whether that is
2:10:37proclaiming you know I am whatever it is
2:10:40that comes after that you're taking on
2:10:42the nature of it you're not just
2:10:43professing it with your mouth, but you
2:10:45are taking that energy in. And the same
2:10:48thing when you are putting something out
2:10:50there, you are professing the nature of
2:10:53that thing. And it is so.
2:10:56>> Yeah. Yeah. One and the nature even just
2:10:59the nature of speaking or writing words
2:11:01has always been known to be sacred. That
2:11:06this is this is why you should not speak
2:11:08falsehood because in in doing so, you're
2:11:10shattering the sacred nature of
2:11:12language.
2:11:14Right.
2:11:15>> Yeah.
2:11:16>> All right. I have got to let you go. I
2:11:18apologize. That's so much fun. But
2:11:21[laughter]
2:11:21a bit over time and I got other things I
2:11:23got to jump on to, but thank you so
2:11:24much. Um, you want to plug anything
2:11:26before we get out of here?
2:11:27>> I just want to say happy Halloween
2:11:29everybody. If you're watching this on
2:11:31Halloween, I hope you've had a good time
2:11:33rocking with us and stay safe out there.
2:11:36Don't eat too much candy. Um, be safe,
2:11:39be somewhat sane, and party on.
2:11:44>> Awesome. Happy Halloween everybody. Have
2:11:46a good one. We will talk again soon,
2:11:47brother.

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