Grant Amato: Family Annihilator | True Crime Watch — Transcript

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1. 0:00so we just want to talk a little bit and
2. 0:01we'll get this in and out be on our way
3. 0:03okay
4. 0:05um full name my full name is Grant
5. 0:08Tiernan Amato this is the interrogation
6. 0:11of Grant Amato
7. 0:12Amato's father mother and brother were
8. 0:15all found dead in their home on the 24th
9. 0:17of January 2019. a motto was found two
10. 0:20days later and was brought into custody
11. 0:23for questioning according to a motto
12. 0:25this seemed to be a case of suicide
13. 0:27murder committed by his brother
14. 0:29now it's the job of the investigators to
15. 0:32find out if this claim holds water or if
16. 0:34a motto is hiding something
17. 0:38what do I like to do I like to watch
18. 0:39anime you speak Japanese
19. 0:41I don't I understand a few words we
20. 0:45actually just went to uh me and my
21. 0:46brother and one of my friends
22. 0:49or I guess friends from high school we
23. 0:51went to Japan from December 1st to
24. 0:53December 15th how expensive was that
25. 0:55trip
26. 0:56I'd say it was probably about
27. 0:5810 grand total for like all those days
28. 1:00for each one of you yeah so we would go
29. 1:03back oh yeah yeah we would go back yeah
30. 1:06we I think we were actually planning on
31. 1:07going back November of this year how
32. 1:10long you been out of work I've been out
33. 1:12of work for six months since June how
34. 1:14did you pay a lot of money for to be out
35. 1:16of work my brother Hobbies what do you
36. 1:19like to do uh okay so buy the Amazon's
37. 1:21the anime
38. 1:22um besides that we would play video
39. 1:25games we actually just got uh like a
40. 1:28virtual reality so you guys play a lot
41. 1:30of of the PC games yeah we started
42. 1:32getting into PC games and and actually
43. 1:34yeah during the time that I was um
44. 1:36so that I wasn't working as a nurse I
45. 1:38tried to do the whole Twitch streaming
46. 1:40thing it might seem weird to continue
47. 1:42small talk like this but it is a
48. 1:44valuable tactic for getting details
49. 1:46about the suspect's life relations and
50. 1:49possible motivations
51. 1:51Small Talk has the added benefit of
52. 1:52building trust between the suspect and
53. 1:54the investigators which will make it
54. 1:56more likely that Amato will open up more
55. 1:58details later on
56. 2:00so you got a lot of computer analysis a
57. 2:03good amount you know I mean oh more than
58. 2:05the average person yeah yeah I'm
59. 2:06computer savvy yeah yeah computer home
60. 2:09the computer I have it yeah I have a
61. 2:11gaming PC up in my room uh
62. 2:13and then there's another gaming PC
63. 2:16downstairs that we just built for the VR
64. 2:18specifically you guys build it yeah
65. 2:21and then uh but I mean I just like my
66. 2:23gaming PC like we'd buy all the parts
67. 2:25and then we would put it together our
68. 2:26own little whoa what would a good one
69. 2:28cost you when I built mine it was about
70. 2:31three grand and then the gaming went
71. 2:33downstairs I think was four thousand or
72. 2:36like forty five hundred
73. 2:37what other Hobbies yeah besides that
74. 2:41um a number of years ago like me and my
75. 2:44brother were actually uh like gonna do
76. 2:46this and then during the time where like
77. 2:49I was struggling like in this last six
78. 2:51months I mean I sold all of my guns
79. 2:52close to your brother let's talk about
80. 2:54code oh yeah uh me and Cody had the
81. 2:56quintessential rough like fighting each
82. 3:00other and whatnot worry yeah typical
83. 3:03siblings but then I would say like my
84. 3:05junior year of high school we were on
85. 3:07the weightlifting team together uh
86. 3:09that's where I got to know a lot of like
87. 3:10his guy friends
88. 3:12um
89. 3:13and you know we just we stopped like
90. 3:16arguing at that point and then we all
91. 3:19you know we decided to go to nursing
92. 3:20school together we decided to go to the
93. 3:22the nurse anesthesia school together I
94. 3:24don't really know how else to really say
95. 3:25it was a lot of people thought that it
96. 3:27was weird because we did everything
97. 3:29together and because we were so close
98. 3:31but yeah I mean a lot of people
99. 3:33understand the bond of Brothers yeah the
100. 3:34true Bond if you're close and I mean
101. 3:36during like this whole time I mean kind
102. 3:38of like with just a few examples I've
103. 3:39given you he was
104. 3:41you can take care of everything it's
105. 3:42always there for you yeah always there
106. 3:44is a fortune always there pretty much
107. 3:46your mom
108. 3:47my mom has uh she's always been the uh
109. 3:52it's kind of like Cody she's always been
110. 3:53the one that
111. 3:54focused on me were you the baby you were
112. 3:57truly a big family baby for my mom yeah
113. 4:00okay
114. 4:02yeah I mean she would help me out
115. 4:03through through anything okay tell me
116. 4:05about that
117. 4:10he works for CVS dad make good money
118. 4:13uh I think he would tell me that he
119. 4:15makes like between 110 and 120 000 a
120. 4:18year who was the disciplinary in the
121. 4:20family my dad and he's the one inside
122. 4:22Jason stays yeah locked in yeah what did
123. 4:25Mom think about that Mom
124. 4:27doesn't approve it obviously but back in
125. 4:31that time my dad was a very
126. 4:34like Angry violent type person
127. 4:36overbearing overbearing but I mean
128. 4:39that's like how he was like spankings
129. 4:41with a two by four if you do that and
130. 4:43then he'd push you around like he
131. 4:44wouldn't he wouldn't punch you he
132. 4:46wouldn't bruise you was the last time
133. 4:48your dad put his hands on you uh the
134. 4:50last time my dad put his hands on me
135. 4:52would be kind of the middle of December
136. 4:56of 2018. what happened you know and a
137. 4:59lot of it just came back to money uh
138. 5:01with him
139. 5:02uh he would
140. 5:04he would like allow me to to spend money
141. 5:07that he had uh like with his credit card
142. 5:10or something like that but
143. 5:12it's like then whenever I did it was
144. 5:14like a huge problem okay so you had one
145. 5:17of his credit cards yeah and what were
146. 5:19you buying with it uh well what I was
147. 5:21doing is
148. 5:23um over the past four months or
149. 5:25something like that I've been I've been
150. 5:26talking to this woman online so a lot of
151. 5:29the money went to her so how much you
152. 5:30think he spent
153. 5:32um
154. 5:33probably close to like two hundred
155. 5:37thousand dollars
156. 5:38I'd say 200 000 yeah and where'd the
157. 5:42money come from money came from me uh my
158. 5:46brother and then my dad
159. 5:48this is where we can really start to
160. 5:50look at a motto psychology earlier we
161. 5:52heard a motto downplay his father's
162. 5:54concerns saying his dad seemed to only
163. 5:57care about money
164. 5:58but looking at how Amato spent two
165. 6:00hundred thousand dollars just to talk to
166. 6:02a girl online we can come to a few
167. 6:04conclusions
168. 6:06first Amato doesn't seem to have a full
169. 6:08grasp on the value of his dad's money he
170. 6:10spent
171. 6:12second this suggests a motto has a lack
172. 6:14of empathy for even his own family
173. 6:17that's not to say he's incapable of
174. 6:19caring about them but he doesn't seem to
175. 6:22show concern for how this spending might
176. 6:23affect their lives
177. 6:25finally this spending shows some signs
178. 6:27of extreme loneliness and delusion to go
179. 6:29this far for the feeling of having a
180. 6:31girlfriend
181. 6:33did they know where the money was going
182. 6:34to they didn't know that it was going to
183. 6:36uh the cam a cam model I was saying that
184. 6:40it was going towards my Twitch streaming
185. 6:42uh like
186. 6:44yeah like advertising like putting my
187. 6:47name out there and that that type of
188. 6:48thing but based on what you're telling
189. 6:50me only so many people make so much
190. 6:53money because I think just a few and
191. 6:55make a bunch of money right so that was
192. 6:57like the ultimate goal is to get to that
193. 6:59I was hoping that that the Stars would
194. 7:01align and then I would be like one of
195. 7:02those people because I was good at the
196. 7:04games and I you know I'm a like a funny
197. 7:06pleasant person on the camera and that
198. 7:08type of thing Amato is demonstrating
199. 7:11here an inflated sense of self
200. 7:13he believes he can become one of the few
201. 7:15people on Twitch to make enough money to
202. 7:18sustain this spending of his
203. 7:19while it's not impossible it's the way
204. 7:22he describes how funny and good at
205. 7:24gaming he is that points to this kind of
206. 7:26behavior despite those only being a few
207. 7:28details that can lead to success on a
208. 7:30social media platform like twitch
209. 7:33it's like with him it was every single
210. 7:35day hours a day excuse me hours a day
211. 7:38he'd come home from work and then he
212. 7:40would just
213. 7:41talk to me just about the same exact
214. 7:43thing over and over and over and over
215. 7:44and over again when was the last time
216. 7:46that you and your dad did have you know
217. 7:48a heated conversation uh it would be
218. 7:52Thursday Thursday because
219. 7:56one of his rules was that I wasn't
220. 7:58allowed to talk to the woman anymore you
221. 8:01know it wasn't really my intention to
222. 8:02continue talking to this woman but
223. 8:05it just kind of happened so he had
224. 8:08apparently found out and then wasn't
225. 8:10happy right and one of the situations
226. 8:12was that he told me that the dinner was
227. 8:14if you speak to this woman again you're
228. 8:17out of the house I'm kicking you out you
229. 8:19can pack up your [ __ ] and then you're
230. 8:21off my property so you know on Thursday
231. 8:27um
232. 8:29um that all happened and then I was in
233. 8:31the process I was getting all my stuff
234. 8:33together I was piecemealing it out to
235. 8:35the car and then
236. 8:37um my brother was working that night and
237. 8:40I think he was working like one of his
238. 8:42long nights but he ended up getting off
239. 8:43early
240. 8:44and then I had met with my brother
241. 8:46before he came home just like in the
242. 8:49neighborhood area he told me about all
243. 8:52that he had given me his debit so that
244. 8:54because I mean I don't have any money
245. 8:56and I don't know where to go you know
246. 8:58I'd never been out of the house on my
247. 8:59own
248. 9:00um and then the last thing that I was
249. 9:02told was just that you know basically
250. 9:03once again that he'll take care of it
251. 9:04because this is coded what time what
252. 9:07time is this approximately
253. 9:09I'd say a little after
254. 9:1310 10 30ish at night so Thursday
255. 9:17you're home all day yes with your mom
256. 9:19she works at home correct yeah your
257. 9:21dad's work one system will work hours uh
258. 9:23he got home at like 5 30. 5 30 5 45 one
259. 9:27of those two where were you at when he
260. 9:28came in I was just in there I was just
261. 9:30watching uh in the virtual reality where
262. 9:32you said you had that set up right right
263. 9:34yeah I was just watching and that's in
264. 9:35what room the living room the living
265. 9:37room yeah I was just watching YouTube at
266. 9:39that time just like take Dad talk to you
267. 9:41yeah because he had I don't know how he
268. 9:45found out but he had apparently found
269. 9:47out and then found out why that I was
270. 9:49talking to you were still talking to the
271. 9:51woman yeah and then uh he came in and
272. 9:54then he asked me why do you think we're
273. 9:57about to have this conversation and then
274. 9:59he he came out and he told me that I've
275. 10:02been doing that yeah
276. 10:04um I have an argument yeah and then you
277. 10:08know he got
278. 10:09just
279. 10:12he had kind of reverted back to the way
280. 10:14that he was when we were younger where
281. 10:16you know he kind of you know pulled me
282. 10:18up from the couch and then he was
283. 10:20yelling at me to pack my [ __ ] up and
284. 10:22just get out of the house and at this
285. 10:24time the argument with dad is at one
286. 10:26time 6 6 30 or 7 30. yeah
287. 10:29If it's 6 30 the argument started how
288. 10:32long do you think before you left I'd
289. 10:33say like
290. 10:369 or 9 30 or so last time you saw your
291. 10:39mom was what time when did I say that I
292. 10:41met Cody
293. 10:42Jackson it was it was like 45 minutes
294. 10:46before that okay so so when Cody called
295. 10:51the house you said your mom told him
296. 10:53about the argument right he had and you
297. 10:55told when you left you said you told
298. 10:56your mom you were going to be in the air
299. 10:57right how then does Cody now know where
300. 11:01to meet you or if he's gonna meet you
301. 11:03yes because that's that's when my mom
302. 11:06had come out to where I said that I was
303. 11:08going to be on that road somewhere so
304. 11:10you and Cody meet right
305. 11:12and it's approximately one time and I
306. 11:14noticed that yeah I'm not going to the
307. 11:15exact minute what time you hit the event
308. 11:1710 30 10 or something like that how
309. 11:19would you talk to him for only about 10
310. 11:21minutes or so my conversation and he
311. 11:23leaves to go home right and you leave to
312. 11:25go where and then I stay in that general
313. 11:28area just so that
314. 11:30if anything happens somebody like knows
315. 11:32where I am okay I mean like a couple
316. 11:35hours I would say yeah
317. 11:37like I would go like kind of just up and
318. 11:40down that road a little bit just on my
319. 11:41car isn't just like sitting there but
320. 11:43for the most yeah I mean I was staying
321. 11:44in that general area and then I decided
322. 11:46to go to Publix this is where Amato
323. 11:49locks in his story that he did not go
324. 11:51back to his house on the night of the
325. 11:53incident he's giving specific details
326. 11:55probably to make his story sound more
327. 11:58credible but the downside to this is
328. 12:00that if anything he says can be
329. 12:01disproven his entire story could easily
330. 12:04fall apart we've come and talked to him
331. 12:06he wrote up here voluntarily with us to
332. 12:10talk to us
333. 12:12why do you think we're having this
334. 12:13conversation
335. 12:14I honestly don't know but I'm
336. 12:17pretty freaked out at this point tell me
337. 12:20what you think because I could tell by
338. 12:21I've done this for a long long time and
339. 12:23I read people the way they act and the
340. 12:25way they they talk to me and the way
341. 12:27they answer questions
342. 12:29there's something you want to tell us I
343. 12:31can see it in your eyes I can see it in
344. 12:33your body language I'm just worried
345. 12:35about what is all transpiring from this
346. 12:39I think at this point right now to be
347. 12:41honest with you grant you know what it
348. 12:43is something that happened
349. 12:45that caused you to defend yourself and I
350. 12:47I didn't do anything at the house
351. 12:50besides get my stuff together and take
352. 12:52it out to my car remember like I said
353. 12:55I know things that you don't know and
354. 12:57honesty will get you all the the things
355. 13:01I can do for you to be honest I can't
356. 13:02deal without someone who lies to me but
357. 13:04I'll deal with someone and help them
358. 13:06till the end no matter what believe it
359. 13:09or not that's just me and she'll tell
360. 13:10you I'm very it's it's what it is I'm
361. 13:14going to be honest with you I'm going to
362. 13:16say if I can do something that can help
363. 13:17you I'm going to help you because every
364. 13:19one of us make mistakes and do things we
365. 13:21should have done in the Heat of the
366. 13:23Moment to protect ourselves or to
367. 13:25protect somebody else
368. 13:27it happens here we see the investigator
369. 13:30use a common strategy where you make the
370. 13:32suspect feel comfortable bringing up
371. 13:34horrible activities by giving reasonable
372. 13:36justifications for doing it the idea is
373. 13:38to make the subject feel comfortable and
374. 13:41to get them to admit guilt no matter
375. 13:43what the motive is then work on the
376. 13:45motive later when I go on to the Panera
377. 13:48I search for like top stories
378. 13:52Oviedo or chuliota or something like
379. 13:55that I found what that there was
380. 13:57shootings in salt and circle what was
381. 14:00your thoughts when you reviewed this
382. 14:01story I was freaking out and I like I
383. 14:05didn't
384. 14:06I was just like blank I didn't know what
385. 14:08to do Now's the Time
386. 14:11now now is the time so what do you think
387. 14:13happened and here the investigator first
388. 14:16urges a motto to come clean
389. 14:18the strategy here will be to put the
390. 14:20idea in a motto's mind early on that
391. 14:22admitting guilt will be best
392. 14:24that way the idea can settle and grow in
393. 14:27his mind throughout the interrogation
394. 14:28making a motto more likely to believe
395. 14:31admitting guilt will be best I think
396. 14:34that there was something that obviously
397. 14:36happened at the house
398. 14:38tell me what happened I don't know what
399. 14:40happened I I honestly I don't I don't
400. 14:43have anything else that I can really say
401. 14:44I mean I don't I don't know you even
402. 14:47know why law enforcement got involved
403. 14:49like what what brought us to that home
404. 14:51no I mean you're a smart guy you know
405. 14:54something's happened at your home you
406. 14:56have law enforcement here you haven't
407. 14:58heard or gotten anything yeah I mean I'm
408. 15:01just scared as to what the answer is
409. 15:05well you need to help yourself by
410. 15:07filling in the blanks of what happened
411. 15:09that night so we can give you the answer
412. 15:10did anything more happen with you and
413. 15:13your father besides him grabbing you up
414. 15:14from the couch
415. 15:16and yelling at you and kicking you out
416. 15:19anything out that at all did he
417. 15:24did he harm you hit you
418. 15:27no do any weapons on you no he didn't do
419. 15:30anything like that the officers just
420. 15:32gave a motto the chance to justify his
421. 15:34actions while refusing to admit guilt
422. 15:36can often be the best strategy in an
423. 15:39interrogation from the suspect's end a
424. 15:41motto says that there was nothing his
425. 15:42father did to prompt being killed which
426. 15:45could make a motto look worse should he
427. 15:47be found guilty so when you left your
428. 15:49house
429. 15:56despite the investigators efforts Amato
430. 15:58is still asserting his original story
431. 16:01by this point it's clear Amato won't
432. 16:03admit guilt with the current strategy
433. 16:05and the investigators will need to
434. 16:07change their strategy moving forward
435. 16:09I mean the only thing that I know is
436. 16:11just that
437. 16:13I mean I I left the house later than
438. 16:17what I had said
439. 16:19um
440. 16:21did you leave the house with your
441. 16:24brother Cody looking like that
442. 16:28or did you leave the house with your
443. 16:29father looking like that or your mother
444. 16:33is that how you left your family
445. 16:37no
446. 16:38because Amato has kept asserting the
447. 16:40same story The investigators are being
448. 16:42more direct showing a motto his dead
449. 16:45family to prompt a reaction the idea is
450. 16:49to break a motto down to get him to
451. 16:51confess what he knows
452. 16:53in normal circumstances this might be
453. 16:55seen as a cruel tactic to use
454. 16:58the investigators will only use a tactic
455. 17:00like this on a suspect if they have
456. 17:02significant evidence that shows their
457. 17:04suspect is guilty and refusing to
458. 17:06cooperate if you
459. 17:09owe's money you were the one that got
460. 17:11into a confrontation with your father
461. 17:12who did this to your family if you were
462. 17:15trying to defend yourself or something
463. 17:17else happen we need to know now that
464. 17:20fact I know
465. 17:21she she never she never held a gun she
466. 17:24didn't have a gun that night
467. 17:26in fact he never fired a gun
468. 17:28fact he never fired again never did this
469. 17:32is the person right here mom who always
470. 17:36stuck up for you something happened so
471. 17:38bad that caused her death
472. 17:41your dad's death and Cody and I'll I'll
473. 17:43tell you just about how it happened one
474. 17:45two three a motto doesn't usually look
475. 17:48up toward the investigators as suddenly
476. 17:50as he does here this abnormal behavior
477. 17:53suggests he was told something very
478. 17:55alarming the forensic evidence already
479. 17:57proved what order the family was killed
480. 17:59in and a motto is realizing that he is
481. 18:01close to getting caught
482. 18:07future Dad I know he didn't shoot
483. 18:09himself
484. 18:10and I know from from video surveillance
485. 18:13camera in the neighborhood
486. 18:16nobody else came to that house the
487. 18:18investigators are now bringing up more
488. 18:20of the evidence they have on a motto to
489. 18:22keep pressuring him into a confession a
490. 18:24motto is in a position where he really
491. 18:25should admit guilt because it's only
492. 18:27going to get worse for him if he doesn't
493. 18:30it will wind up later on that that you
494. 18:34can't get any help from anybody a lot of
495. 18:36this where people make decisions on is
496. 18:38honesty with somebody honest
497. 18:40Court of course shouldn't be somewhat
498. 18:42dishonest at some point we get that we
499. 18:44understand that but at some point when
500. 18:46you have that come to Jesus time that
501. 18:48now I need to now I need to to Really I
502. 18:51got to tell you what happened this is it
503. 18:53this is a key moment
504. 18:55most guilty suspects and even some
505. 18:57innocent ones will lie early on in the
506. 18:59interrogation
507. 19:01and even if they want to tell the truth
508. 19:02later they may feel pressured to keep
509. 19:04their story consistent the investigators
510. 19:07need to reassure the suspects and make
511. 19:09them know it's always best to come
512. 19:11forward to tell the truth there's
513. 19:13nothing else that I can
514. 19:18this is not going to end up the way you
515. 19:19want to but with what you're telling me
516. 19:20right now if you find yourself here
517. 19:22never deny evidence and a motto has made
518. 19:25his decision
519. 19:26no matter what the investigators try he
520. 19:29refuses to admit his guilt
521. 19:31the investigators are practically
522. 19:32telling him to tell the truth because
523. 19:34they know what happened
524. 19:36and while this is a common interrogation
525. 19:38tactic they are right considering the
526. 19:41present circumstances a motto should
527. 19:43consider being cooperative to help
528. 19:45minimize his sentencing
529. 19:47there's nothing else that happened in
530. 19:48that home while you were there that
531. 19:50would lead up to this yeah
532. 19:52your father didn't point a gun at you
533. 19:55there's nothing else more than what I
534. 19:57had said you know the only thing that I
535. 19:59have is just the
536. 20:02the times in which
537. 20:05I left the house still in our there was
538. 20:08an argument when Kennedy had gotten home
539. 20:11and then there was nothing that that he
540. 20:15could do
541. 20:16to help me so I don't remember the exact
542. 20:18time when I actually left but I had left
543. 20:24later than what I've done
544. 20:26so you were home when Cody got home yes
545. 20:29tell us about that what time did he get
546. 20:31home and why did he come home I mean he
547. 20:33got home at 10 30. I still think that's
548. 20:36when he got home was like around 10 30.
549. 20:39and what was going on at the house when
550. 20:40he arrived
551. 20:42my uh Dad my mom were arguing
552. 20:46and then I was still just packing up all
553. 20:49my stuff and then when Cody got home he
554. 20:53started to transgress with my dad then I
555. 20:57was still kind of just staying out of it
556. 20:58doing my own thing
557. 21:02and then the end result was still the
558. 21:04end result and then I had still leave
559. 21:07and then so is it true that you still
560. 21:09met Cody up the block or was that no no
561. 21:11so you didn't meet him up the box so
562. 21:14then now let's start
563. 21:15from the time you and your father
564. 21:17started having the argument about six
565. 21:19six thirty you said when he got home
566. 21:21yeah
567. 21:22tell us exactly what happened
568. 21:25from that time on even what was said
569. 21:29I mean it was just a lot of yelling I
570. 21:31mean it was
571. 21:33every I mean it was everything that he
572. 21:36had been telling me for the past
573. 21:39months and months and months about just
574. 21:42how I had ruined his retirement and how
575. 21:45I had pushed him back and now you know
576. 21:48he'd never be able to do the things that
577. 21:50he wanted to do and he's he's yelling
578. 21:53yeah he's heated
579. 21:54are you yelling back at him no no and
580. 21:57are you sitting on the couch downstairs
581. 21:58like you said I was in the living room
582. 22:00and at what point does he put his hands
583. 22:02on you it's just that I mean it's like
584. 22:04maybe five minutes into the conversation
585. 22:06what was your reaction when he grabbed
586. 22:09your shirt and pulled you up I didn't I
587. 22:10didn't fight back or anything like that
588. 22:12I just
589. 22:14trying to get my my grounding and then
590. 22:17so and then we were just standing and
591. 22:19and then after that uh
592. 22:22I started the whole process of
593. 22:27Gathering everything where's your mom at
594. 22:29this point she was still in her office
595. 22:31did she intervene at all she had gotten
596. 22:33up to say that
597. 22:35you know like you need like you need to
598. 22:38settle down or you know some sort of
599. 22:40diffusing statement that she always used
600. 22:41to make
601. 22:42and then my dad yelled at her to stay
602. 22:45out of this okay and then what what
603. 22:47happened next like yes there was just a
604. 22:50lot of yelling and confrontation between
605. 22:52me and Dad but
606. 22:54there wasn't anything more physical
607. 22:56about it and how long did that go on
608. 22:58before Cody shows up
609. 23:01I mean I was like
610. 23:04for three three four hours or something
611. 23:06like that was your father wearing this
612. 23:09yeah
613. 23:10and what about that gone on his waist no
614. 23:13he didn't have that on no no is this
615. 23:16normal no this is the person that is
616. 23:19coming to to solve the problems for you
617. 23:22or came home to solve the problems
618. 23:24he shot the second he walks in the house
619. 23:26where are you when he comes home when I
620. 23:28when he came home I was doing
621. 23:31I was uh Gathering the some of the like
622. 23:34Power Bars into my little
623. 23:38shoulder Satchel thing I'm wearing the
624. 23:40Power Bars in the kitchen or in the
625. 23:41kitchen so you see him come in I I hear
626. 23:44the door but then that's it and then
627. 23:46when do you see him
628. 23:48exactly I see him when he walks into the
629. 23:50kitchen and what do you guys what what
630. 23:52is said
631. 23:55I bet he asked me what I'm doing and I
632. 23:57basically tell him the quick short story
633. 23:59so then after talking about that he says
634. 24:02that he'll take care of it and then him
635. 24:04and my dad
636. 24:05they're the ones that
637. 24:08always yell and raise their voices and
638. 24:11everything like that so would your dad
639. 24:12eventually enter the kitchen or did Cody
640. 24:14go to your dad in the office no my dad
641. 24:16came in when he heard that me and Cody
642. 24:18were talking and then uh you know he
643. 24:21came around to the base of the staircase
644. 24:23and then he told me that I need to go I
645. 24:26don't know what time I actually left but
646. 24:29I think it was closer to like
647. 24:32midnight or something
648. 24:35and when you left where was your mother
649. 24:38when I left my mom was still in his in
650. 24:40her office
651. 24:42and where was your dad dad and Cody were
652. 24:44just yelling inside the kitchen so then
653. 24:46after I left
654. 24:48I took that the fork Christmas Road
655. 24:53um that connected up with 50. and then I
656. 24:55was just at the Publix for the rest of
657. 24:57the time and then is everything else the
658. 24:59truth as far as the job interviews all
659. 25:02the rest of the times so when did you
660. 25:04learn that your family was
661. 25:06dead I knew when you guys told me just I
662. 25:10believe this this and this happened
663. 25:12while you were still present in the
664. 25:14house
665. 25:16and for whatever reason you don't want
666. 25:18to tell us no I mean I I had left when I
667. 25:22had said that I had left we pulled
668. 25:23Financial records from your dad you Cody
669. 25:25and your mom
670. 25:27remember that payment you made
671. 25:29which one
672. 25:30which the payment on uh that bill you
673. 25:33had the 599 I saw that one well guess
674. 25:36what got paid right about the same time
675. 25:38right
676. 25:3933 000 of debt is paid off of his credit
677. 25:42card
678. 25:43same time within a very short time with
679. 25:46each other
680. 25:47those things go together
681. 25:50records record records show what would
682. 25:53happen I mean third what happened thirty
683. 25:55three thousand dollars on any of your
684. 25:57dad anyway USAA credit card
685. 25:59get 33 000 was paid a motto is now
686. 26:03giving very passive responses he
687. 26:06realizes there's a good chance that this
688. 26:07evidence will be discovered Amato still
689. 26:10denies it but instead of giving a
690. 26:11definitive no he gives this unsure
691. 26:14answer because he can't confidently deny
692. 26:17it
693. 26:18I don't know where else to go
694. 26:21to get you to
695. 26:27pick up it does not make any logistical
696. 26:30sense
697. 26:31of what you tell us tell him look at
698. 26:34everything he walked in the door shot
699. 26:36them and he walked into her because
700. 26:37right down here is a bag he carries in
701. 26:39drunk right there where he should open
702. 26:41the door walked in and get shot
703. 26:44there's dad's lunch box right there dad
704. 26:46came home was probably messing with it
705. 26:48right around here
706. 26:49arguing with whatever's going on or
707. 26:51there wasn't even an argument dad gets
708. 26:53shot and he drops right here
709. 26:55it looks like he either got pulled or
710. 26:57crawled over here
711. 26:59over here
712. 27:01I wonder what DNA is going to be in that
713. 27:04blood right there your DNA going to be
714. 27:05found on his pants
715. 27:08no you sure it may be something a
716. 27:11question I'm asking already know the
717. 27:12answer to I know but my DNA wouldn't
718. 27:15we shouldn't be on and change again
719. 27:18Amato gives a passive answer because he
720. 27:20realizes the evidence is going to be
721. 27:22found
722. 27:23he even catches himself changing the
723. 27:26word wouldn't to shouldn't to give
724. 27:28himself plausible deniability in case it
725. 27:30is found
726. 27:32we can also hear from the investigator's
727. 27:34tone that they aren't going to get any
728. 27:36more information out of a motto this is
729. 27:38essentially the end of the interview
730. 27:40explain to me
731. 27:42I just need you to tell me why the
732. 27:44minute he walks in he gets shot I just I
733. 27:47I don't I don't have the answer for
734. 27:50anything else
735. 27:53okay
736. 27:55this is this the last time before I'm
737. 27:57gonna walk out and then I'm done and I'm
738. 27:58done for good when I'm done I'm done
739. 28:00done this concludes the first
740. 28:02interrogation with Grant Amato
741. 28:05the investigators did their best and
742. 28:07they used a variety of strategies in the
743. 28:09process but they couldn't get a
744. 28:11confession out of a motto
745. 28:12this happens regularly and it only means
746. 28:15there will be more work to do later in
747. 28:16the prosecution still they got some
748. 28:19background information as well as the
749. 28:20likely motive for the murder Amato being
750. 28:23kicked out of the house this gives the
751. 28:25investigators some Direction moving
752. 28:28forward in the case
753. 28:31next we'll see the interview between
754. 28:32Amato and his other brother the hope is
755. 28:35that a motto will be more willing to
756. 28:37connect and open up about this situation
757. 28:39with a family member he previously said
758. 28:42he was close to
759. 28:44all right so uh I I think you know what
760. 28:47happened I just I'm gonna ask you to
761. 28:49play now you are not part of it anyway
762. 28:51no so you didn't have any problems or
763. 28:53troubles with this woman or the online
764. 28:56you didn't owe him any money I mean
765. 28:58there's no like loan shark out looking
766. 28:59for you or I
767. 29:03don't see how
768. 29:06things aren't adding up I want to
769. 29:08believe you grant but you're the last
770. 29:10person that I could put in that house
771. 29:13and I know what happened over the last
772. 29:17six months who else can I blame who how
773. 29:20are we gonna find out who did this I
774. 29:22know Dad was an [ __ ] I know Cody was
775. 29:24an [ __ ]
776. 29:26but they were our family and they would
777. 29:28have never done anything to hurt us
778. 29:31the [ __ ] you did you could have been in
779. 29:34jail you would have been in jail for
780. 29:37years
781. 29:40and they covered it up for you
782. 29:43I have a feeling the FBI is already
783. 29:46involved because no matter how much Dad
784. 29:48can overcome the money laundering
785. 29:52money that was moved you know I know
786. 29:55what I did to everybody
787. 29:57over the months okay I know you did and
788. 30:01I know that you know
789. 30:03the hell of
790. 30:05dealing with it every single day when
791. 30:07you're trying to move forward
792. 30:09you know that stuff yup and I understand
793. 30:11it was probably harder for you because
794. 30:13you lived in the house I had the option
795. 30:15of getting out Grant
796. 30:17I need you to be honest with me man
797. 30:22I need to have closure I don't feel like
798. 30:24we're getting anywhere and I'm gonna be
799. 30:26honest I don't feel comfortable with you
800. 30:28staying with me I mean
801. 30:31if in a week or a couple days or 12
802. 30:34hours and something else is discovered
803. 30:36then I might have a change of heart but
804. 30:39I have no other options in my head of
805. 30:41what's going on especially if you're
806. 30:43confirming that there's nobody looking
807. 30:45for you the Moore called me this morning
808. 30:47so I have to make decisions for Mom Cody
809. 30:51and dad in the next
810. 30:54some you know a couple days so uh
811. 30:58just letting you know that um
812. 31:02I'll be making those decisions because
813. 31:06until I'm giving verifiable information
814. 31:09that you did not do it
815. 31:12I don't think you have the right to make
816. 31:14that decision
817. 31:15you already made the decision on whether
818. 31:18or not they can live or not
819. 31:23that's why your job
820. 31:30I do love you though just remember that
821. 31:33just like Mom Cody and Dad loved you
822. 31:38nobody loves you anymore or any less
823. 31:40it's not spoken but Amato's brother
824. 31:43seems to take this as a passive form of
825. 31:45confirmation
826. 31:47he will later leave seemingly getting
827. 31:49the closure he wanted from this
828. 31:50interview