Good Samaritan Shot Defending Clerk | Eric Ford Interrogation — Transcript
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- 0:00Disclaimer. This video is for commentary
- 0:02and educational purposes only. All
- 0:04individuals are presumed innocent until
- 0:06proven guilty in a court of law. Any
- 0:08footage used in this video is obtained
- 0:10through public records and falls under
- 0:12fair use for the purpose of reporting,
- 0:14analysis, and public interest.
- 0:17>> And then some man said, "You shot me."
- 0:20Like, man, I ain't shoot you. I ain't
- 0:22got no gun.
- 0:24On a February night in Albuquerque, a
- 0:26routine stop at a neighborhood gas
- 0:27station turned deadly in a matter of
- 0:29minutes. Inside a Circle K, a female
- 0:32clerk repeatedly asked a disruptive
- 0:34customer to leave the store. After
- 0:36refusing multiple requests, the man
- 0:39struck the clerk in the face, turning a
- 0:41verbal disturbance into a violent
- 0:42encounter. A customer nearby, 24year-old
- 0:46Michael Uriosi, stepped in to protect
- 0:49her. The confrontation spilled outside
- 0:51the store where the struggle continued
- 0:54and escalated. Moments later, a firearm
- 0:56was produced and multiple shots were
- 0:58fired. Uros was shot in the abdomen and
- 1:01later died from his injuries. Another
- 1:03uninvolved bystander at the gas pumps
- 1:05was also wounded. What happened in those
- 1:07final moments and how the man
- 1:09responsible explained his actions to
- 1:11police would become central to the case
- 1:13that followed. This is the interrogation
- 1:15of Eric Ray Ford.
- 1:17>> You're okay. I'm sorry. Those rooms are
- 1:19they've been trying to work on those
- 1:20rooms where they warm them up a little
- 1:22bit. Hopefully it's a little bit warmer
- 1:23in here.
- 1:24>> Uh
- 1:26I'm glad that you have your jacket on.
- 1:28>> How was those snacks?
- 1:30>> Snacks. All right. Doing all right.
- 1:32Okay. You need any more snacks after
- 1:34this? Just let me know. Okay. I'm going
- 1:35to have a few more.
- 1:36>> All right. So, tell me your first name.
- 1:38Eric
- 1:40E R.
- 1:41>> I see.
- 1:42>> Okay. Last name.
- 1:45And your date of birth, sir?
- 1:50How old is How old are you?
- 1:52>> I'm 58.
- 1:54>> Okay. What's the social what's a good
- 1:57address for you, Mr. Forest?
- 2:01>> You live there by yourself or is anybody
- 2:03else?
- 2:04>> I stay with family.
- 2:05>> Okay. Me and my wife both stay there
- 2:07with family.
- 2:08>> Okay. No problem. Um
- 2:14All right.
- 2:16Um, I know we did a traffic stop earlier
- 2:19on the day with you. Um,
- 2:22this is I want to tell you what all this
- 2:24is involving and what we're
- 2:26investigating
- 2:28and then I want to advise you of your
- 2:30rights, okay? Cuz you are in custody
- 2:32because we did a traffic stop,
- 2:33transported you in a police vehicle, had
- 2:37you in custody, um, been in the
- 2:39detainment room. I wanted to talk to
- 2:41you. Um, this is in reference a shooting
- 2:43that happened yesterday. Okay. So, I
- 2:46kind of want to talk to you about that,
- 2:47but I'm going to advise you if you're
- 2:48rights, okay? So that you know what's
- 2:50going on. If you can, you understand
- 2:53these rights. If you can say yes audibly
- 2:55so I can hear it verbally, okay? If you
- 2:57don't mind. Right. Uh, you have the
- 3:00right to remain silent. Do you
- 3:01understand this?
- 3:02>> Good.
- 3:03>> Okay. Anything you say can't be used
- 3:05against you in a court law. Do you
- 3:06understand this, sir? Good.
- 3:08>> Okay. And you have the right to consult
- 3:10an attorney before speaking to the
- 3:12police and to have an attorney present
- 3:14during questioning now or in the future.
- 3:16Do you understand this sir?
- 3:18>> If you cannot afford a lawyer, one will
- 3:21be appointed for you uh before any
- 3:24question if you wish. Do you understand
- 3:25this sir? Okay. If you decide to answer
- 3:28questions now without a lawyer present,
- 3:30you will still have the right to stop
- 3:32answering until you've talked to an
- 3:34attorney. Do you understand this?
- 3:36>> Okay. Those are your rights that are
- 3:38afforded to you constitutional.
- 3:40>> So I'm being arrested.
- 3:42>> What's that?
- 3:43>> So I'm I'm being arrested.
- 3:44>> Well, we're investigating the shooting
- 3:46that happened yesterday. Okay. Whether
- 3:48or not I arrest you is is kind of
- 3:50dependent on the information that I'm
- 3:52able to gather. Okay. So I am
- 3:55investigating uh the shooting. Um and
- 3:59I'm going to ask that if you can, you
- 4:02know, talk to me and tell me about it.
- 4:04Um that's what I want to talk to you
- 4:06about. I have certain information um but
- 4:10I wanted to kind of give you that
- 4:11opportunity to tell me your story. Is
- 4:14that fair? Okay. So, um tell me how your
- 4:20day was yesterday.
- 4:23>> All right.
- 4:25>> Okay.
- 4:29Was there anything in particular? Do you
- 4:31know what this Do you know the shooting
- 4:33I'm talking about or no? You don't have
- 4:36any idea?
- 4:36>> I don't know what you talking about
- 4:38where I don't even you been telling me
- 4:41about a shooting about yesterday.
- 4:43>> Oh man.
- 4:44>> I don't know what shooting. I don't know
- 4:46where. You ain't tell me nothing. You
- 4:48ain't say what. I just see it was a
- 4:50shooting yesterday.
- 4:51>> Okay.
- 4:51>> I saw um and then when the police pulled
- 4:54me over um and told me to get out the
- 4:58car and told me to see him. I'm like
- 4:59what are you doing? What are y What's
- 5:01going on? I'm just pulled up here to get
- 5:04some money out of the bank and then they
- 5:06pull up on me and do that. So I comply
- 5:08with all that they say.
- 5:10>> Yes. And we
- 5:11>> and I appreciate that.
- 5:13>> But I don't know.
- 5:15>> I I'll give you more details. So this is
- 5:17involving a shooting that your vehicle
- 5:20and yourself were involved uh over at
- 5:23Circle K.
- 5:27>> You remember being there yesterday at
- 5:28Circle K?
- 5:29>> No, we don't.
- 5:31>> Okay. So tell me about what happened at
- 5:33that circle. Okay.
- 5:36>> Everybody was out there fighting.
- 5:40Okay. Tell me about that.
- 5:43Um
- 5:48I know I went into the store to give me
- 5:50and my wife something to drink.
- 5:53Um
- 5:55my hand is messed up as you can see.
- 6:00Man, it's hard for me to hold [ __ ] You
- 6:02see my hand is all messed up.
- 6:03>> Okay. What's that?
- 6:04>> It's hard for me to hold stuff. So, I
- 6:07kept trying to get a soda out of the
- 6:09thing and my hand it'll hold it for a
- 6:13minute and get it to drop it from my
- 6:16wife.
- 6:16>> So, is this something that's ongoing
- 6:17that
- 6:18>> Yeah. Yeah. It's with both hands. My
- 6:20wife my wife tell me I need to get it
- 6:22checked out. It's called tunnel or
- 6:24something.
- 6:24>> Okay. and and and and I have nerve
- 6:27damage in my hand too cuz my nerves
- 6:31um I kept dropping the soda. Um when I
- 6:35finally got up to the to the counter
- 6:38with the sodas
- 6:40um um the lady because I kept saying
- 6:43damn cuz I keep dropping and I'm like
- 6:47damn. And I said it loud and the lady I
- 6:50guess she thought I was talking to
- 6:52somebody but I wasn't talking to nobody.
- 6:55And I went up to the thing and
- 6:59she grabbed my shoulders and she told me
- 7:02to get out. Right. I'm like, "Lady, I
- 7:05ain't talking. I ain't did nothing." She
- 7:07like, "Just get out." So I'm like,
- 7:09"Okay." I left out
- 7:11and I start talking to my wife out the
- 7:14car. Then next thing I know, all these
- 7:16people come outside and start fighting.
- 7:18And there people trying to jump on me
- 7:21and oh man, then my wife get try to
- 7:26break it up. And I don't know what's
- 7:28going on, man.
- 7:36Okay. I'm just taking notes. Sorry. Um,
- 7:38so
- 7:40inside when when you guys got there,
- 7:43what where did you park? Do you remember
- 7:46who was driving in the vehicle that you
- 7:47were in? And is it the same vehicle that
- 7:49you were in now?
- 7:50>> I was driving.
- 7:51>> Okay. So, same vehicle that you got
- 7:53pulled over and that was the same
- 7:54vehicle that was used over there.
- 7:56>> No.
- 7:57>> Was it the same vehicle that you got
- 7:59pulled over this morning? Is that the
- 8:00same vehicle that you had yesterday at
- 8:02the circle? Okay.
- 8:04Is that the same vehicle?
- 8:05>> Yeah.
- 8:06>> Okay. So, same vehicle was Okay. And
- 8:09where did you park? Do you remember what
- 8:11where at in the gas station? Did you
- 8:13park?
- 8:14>> No.
- 8:15>> Okay. Um, what kind of ve Let's talk
- 8:19about the vehicle a little bit. Whose
- 8:20vehicle is that?
- 8:24>> It's not yours?
- 8:25>> No.
- 8:29>> I borrowed.
- 8:31>> Borrowed it?
- 8:32>> No.
- 8:37How long have you had the vehicle that
- 8:39you've been borrowing?
- 8:46>> Two days.
- 8:50>> Where did you borrow it from? If you
- 8:51don't mind asking
- 8:56question,
- 8:59>> I just
- 9:01all I can do is ask. Okay. Um,
- 9:06so when you go to the store, do you
- 9:09remember you said you were trying to get
- 9:11some sodas?
- 9:12>> Do you remember what kind of sodas you
- 9:14were trying to get?
- 9:14>> Strawberry Fanta. Me and my wife's
- 9:17favorite.
- 9:20>> Okay.
- 9:23Um, and you said you were in the in the
- 9:27back against the is that the cooler
- 9:28area?
- 9:29>> Yeah, where the back seat back. about
- 9:32how you said you were it's it was hard
- 9:34for you to hold things in hand. Both
- 9:36hands are like that or just your right
- 9:37hand?
- 9:38>> Both of them like this one is for this.
- 9:40>> Okay. So, you have a hard time with the
- 9:42right hand,
- 9:42>> right?
- 9:43>> Okay. So, uh
- 9:44>> as you can see, it's all messed up. It's
- 9:46all It look like it's all lumped up and
- 9:49swole and all, but that's how it is.
- 9:52>> Huh. And that's always like that. It's
- 9:54It's been like this for about
- 10:00I want to say 10 years. About 10 years.
- 10:03Oh, wow. That's a long time.
- 10:07What? Um,
- 10:09let me see. But how many you There were
- 10:13some sodas that were dropped. You were
- 10:14dropping some sodas. Do you remember how
- 10:17many sodas you dropped?
- 10:18>> No, I don't remember. I mean, I know. I
- 10:20just kept grabbing them and I kept
- 10:22dropping. I just quite
- 10:25grabbed him with this hand.
- 10:31Okay. And then you said that you were
- 10:34and I I'm apologize. You you know your
- 10:37own words. You were saying the f word.
- 10:40You were you upset at that time when
- 10:42when that was
- 10:42>> cuz I kept dropping.
- 10:44>> Okay.
- 10:44>> Yeah. That's why I was saying damn cuz I
- 10:48get sick of my hand.
- 10:49>> Okay.
- 10:50>> You know what I'm saying? Sometimes I
- 10:51get sick of my hand and I hit it on
- 10:53something just for it to get right and
- 10:55then I can hold something.
- 10:58>> So it gets very frustrating.
- 10:59>> Right. I got you. I got you.
- 11:02>> I'm sorry you had to. Your hands were
- 11:04like that. You know what that was caused
- 11:06by?
- 11:09>> Like were you working a lot with your
- 11:12hands kind of? I
- 11:13>> used to work with my hands a lot. I used
- 11:16to I used to make like clocks, tables,
- 11:20stuff like that.
- 11:20>> You used a lot.
- 11:22>> I lose my hands a lot. I don't
- 11:24mechanics. I was going to say a lot of
- 11:26mechanics, a lot of body guys cuz
- 11:28they're they're always doing this a lot
- 11:30of lumbers. They're always using their
- 11:31hands a lot. They get messed up. So,
- 11:34so uh
- 11:37I'm just taking notes here. So,
- 11:40um,
- 11:42so you said when you went to the
- 11:43counter, she didn't she just told you to
- 11:46leave,
- 11:46>> right?
- 11:48>> Cuz somebody was in the store chatting
- 11:50me, "Calm down. It's all right."
- 11:52>> Do Do you remember who that was?
- 11:54>> No. I remember it was a lady said, "Calm
- 11:58down. It's all right."
- 12:02Um,
- 12:04you remember what she was wearing by
- 12:06chance?
- 12:06>> No.
- 12:08You remember what she looked like? Oh,
- 12:11no. She was a wife.
- 12:14>> She was trying to tell you to calm down.
- 12:15Do you remember where that that was at?
- 12:18Was that back by the cooler?
- 12:19>> Yeah. When I was by the cooler, she was
- 12:21like, "Calm down. It's going to be all
- 12:22right." I'm like, "I don't know. I I
- 12:24just It's just my hand, you know."
- 12:27>> Okay. So, she was trying to calm me
- 12:29down.
- 12:30>> No. Yeah. I wasn't even really mad. I
- 12:32was just pissed cuz I couldn't hold it.
- 12:35>> Okay. But she was like, "It's going to
- 12:36be all right." You know what I mean? You
- 12:38know, you ain't getting to it. I was
- 12:39like, "Yeah." Okay. Does that happen
- 12:42frequently?
- 12:42>> Yes. Oh, I don't.
- 12:45>> Um, when you're yelling like this or
- 12:48you're saying these things even like
- 12:50straight, I don't know. Do you think
- 12:52that would
- 12:55I guess
- 12:57do you think that scares anybody? Does
- 12:58anybody ever like
- 12:59>> Yeah, that's probably why he made me
- 13:02leave out of the store.
- 13:03>> Okay.
- 13:04>> You know what I'm saying? So I thought
- 13:05maybe that. So I'm like, "Okay." I
- 13:08didn't argue with her. I want I stepped
- 13:09the sodas on the thing. She snapped
- 13:11them. I walked out of the store.
- 13:13>> Uhhuh.
- 13:15Okay. What happened when you got outside
- 13:17of the store?
- 13:18>> I was talking to my wife.
- 13:20>> Okay. Where was your wife at the
- 13:22>> 10:00?
- 13:25And uh where what where was she sitting?
- 13:28>> In the passenger seat.
- 13:29>> Passenger seat. Okay.
- 13:32And were you and her arguing or talking
- 13:36or was it?
- 13:37>> Yeah, I was telling her I was telling
- 13:39her when I came out. I was telling her
- 13:41what what the lady did in the store. I
- 13:44was like, "Babe, my hand up, you know."
- 13:47She's like, "Well, when you be going on
- 13:50like that, saying damn and all out
- 13:52people, you do scare people cuz your
- 13:54voice." And I was like, "Well, I guess I
- 13:57scared you cuz she took the suckers and
- 13:58told me to get out the stove."
- 14:01He was like, "Well, okay." And then next
- 14:04thing I know, everybody falling out the
- 14:06stone.
- 14:08Who was outside when you and your wife
- 14:09were talking about this? Were you
- 14:12outside the vehicle or you
- 14:14>> I was I had just came out of the store.
- 14:16Okay. And she had a window down. I was
- 14:18telling me cuz I was getting back I was
- 14:19walk I was getting ready to walk back
- 14:21around the car to get back in the car so
- 14:22we could meet.
- 14:27Okay. And then you said everybody was
- 14:28coming out of the store.
- 14:30>> Then um do you remember who came out of
- 14:32the store?
- 14:34>> The first person came out of the store
- 14:37was the lady who took the solders behind
- 14:39the Circle K. I mean it left it behind
- 14:42her desk. Left the Circle K. Circle K.
- 14:46>> The worker.
- 14:47>> Yeah. She came out and
- 14:51>> and what what happened between her and
- 14:54you?
- 14:56>> She came out um talking crazy and I'm
- 15:00like lady just go back in the store. I
- 15:04ain't did nothing to you.
- 15:07What was she saying that you was talking
- 15:09crazy?
- 15:11>> I don't know. I don't remember what she
- 15:13said. I just know she came out cussing
- 15:15at me and this and that. And that's my
- 15:18wife was like, "Wait a minute, lady. Who
- 15:20was you talking to?"
- 15:22That's my husband.
- 15:30>> And at that point, what did you do? What
- 15:33did you do with that lady? I didn't do
- 15:35nothing with the lady. I just told the
- 15:36lady to go back in the store
- 15:40and I'm leaving. And then when she came
- 15:43out, everybody came out and everybody
- 15:48start fighting.
- 15:51Two dudes came and be to jump on me. I'm
- 15:55fighting two dudes.
- 15:59Do you remember what they already
- 16:04one
- 16:08one? I think he had a black jacket on. I
- 16:11think that's the one that that that
- 16:13left. He ran off.
- 16:16>> So the long jacket ran off.
- 16:18>> Ran off when the shooting start.
- 16:22When the shooting started, I jumped in
- 16:23my car and we drove off.
- 16:32And so when the shooting happened,
- 16:34sorry, when the shooting happened, you
- 16:36drove off. Well, when everybody start
- 16:38shooting, I don't know who was shooting.
- 16:45Yeah.
- 16:47Okay.
- 16:51So, you don't know who was shooting.
- 17:01>> See, I got bullet holes in my car.
- 17:06There's a bullet hole in the trunk and
- 17:08bullet hole on the side. Another bullet
- 17:12hole on the other side. Where it go from
- 17:16there?
- 17:30And then what happens after you guys
- 17:31left?
- 17:35Where did you guys go to for
- 17:39get something to eat? Finish getting
- 17:41something to drink. And I was telling my
- 17:43wife
- 17:48crazy.
- 17:51You remember when you went to get
- 17:52something to eat and drink?
- 17:54>> I went to Blakes.
- 17:59>> Remember which one? You're right up the
- 18:01street
- 18:03up the street on
- 18:06>> so further north on right there
- 18:11little bit past Indian school.
- 18:20And then after me and my wife got
- 18:22something to eat. I bought me my wife to
- 18:26my kids eat.
- 18:29We went to my mother-in-law house
- 18:33and we sat there late.
- 18:40>> When did you go home?
- 18:42Did you go home last night? You already
- 18:50>> stay
- 18:53there. I we go like to That's my
- 18:57sister-in-law house. Okay.
- 18:58>> We go there. I go to my mother-in-law
- 19:01house.
- 19:02>> Where did you guys stay at last night?
- 19:04You know,
- 19:04>> my mother-in-law's house.
- 19:06>> Okay.
- 19:08>> Um, did you guys go anywhere else?
- 19:10>> No.
- 19:14Where did u this morning uh when the
- 19:18officers, you know, stopped you, where
- 19:20were you guys going or coming from?
- 19:23>> We was going to the to the to get some
- 19:26money over the ATM. So we can get
- 19:28breakfast.
- 19:29>> Okay.
- 19:33>> Where were you guys coming from?
- 19:35>> We just left home. My mother-in-law
- 19:40will just told the kids that he want to
- 19:41get something and we'll be right back.
- 19:46Were you guys at the hotel or anything?
- 19:48Cuz I know he said he seen you guys
- 19:49pulling out of a hotel.
- 19:53No. Okay.
- 20:03Um,
- 20:05tell me about the fight. You kind of,
- 20:08you know, I mean, I know I know there's
- 20:10fights. Okay. So, a fight can be
- 20:14fist fight. It was a fist fight.
- 20:17>> Oh, what's that?
- 20:18>> It's a fist fight.
- 20:19>> It's fist fight.
- 20:20>> Yeah. In front of the door. Right there.
- 20:22Right in front of the door in my car. It
- 20:25was a fist fight.
- 20:26>> And who who was who was a fist fight?
- 20:28Who was in that fist fight?
- 20:31>> Um,
- 20:33it was
- 20:33>> Were you involved in that fight?
- 20:35>> Uh, yeah. So, I was in that fight. Um,
- 20:40that's the one. The two dudes is trying
- 20:42to get me. That's why I said the two
- 20:43dudes came out on me. I guess because of
- 20:47the lady at the store. They thought I
- 20:49did something to the lady at the store.
- 20:52>> Did you do something to the lady? No, I
- 20:54just cussed her out, that's all.
- 20:58>> Did you hit her at any time?
- 20:59>> No.
- 21:08Um, so you guys were fing by the door
- 21:11and then what happened? Was that where
- 21:14you guys stayed or did you guys stay?
- 21:15>> We stayed right there. My wife, um,
- 21:20she really didn't had nothing to do with
- 21:22the fight. She was in the car and
- 21:24everybody start fighting, you know, and
- 21:28all she did was got out of the car and
- 21:30try to get the two dudes off me.
- 21:33>> How did she do that?
- 21:35>> I don't know cuz one I had we was
- 21:38together and then the other one was
- 21:40choking me and I don't know what I
- 21:44couldn't really see her. All I know I
- 21:46heard her like, "Get off my husband. Get
- 21:48off my husband. Leave him alone.
- 21:53So you said in the fight, so your wife
- 21:55got out of the car and tried to get the
- 21:57two dudes off of you.
- 21:58>> Yeah. And then she said another dude
- 22:01came from nowhere and pushed her down
- 22:04out the way.
- 22:06And when they pushed her down, I it
- 22:08sound like somebody hit my wife and I
- 22:12don't know. I just
- 22:13>> What did you do at that point
- 22:15>> at that time? It's like I don't know
- 22:17where I got strength from. And I just me
- 22:19and the dudes that were fighting, I
- 22:21threw one dude down on the ground and
- 22:23then me and the other dude start
- 22:24fighting and we both fell on the ground.
- 22:36>> What?
- 22:36>> I think when he fell on the ground cuz
- 22:39we were both um wrestling together and
- 22:42when he fell I think he hit his head and
- 22:45then he was like, "Oh my head." And I
- 22:48got up and I was like, and then I picked
- 22:51my wife up off the ground and we left.
- 22:56And then
- 23:04who was driving at that time when you
- 23:05guys left?
- 23:11>> Do you remember which way you went when
- 23:12you left?
- 23:13>> I told you want to go to go get
- 23:15something to eat. Give my uh north
- 23:18>> one of us wanted the ball two blanks and
- 23:20got something to eat.
- 23:27>> Do you remember any descriptions of any
- 23:29of these guys that you were in a fight
- 23:30with?
- 23:31>> All I know is they was big dudes.
- 23:42>> The one that you were tustling with on
- 23:44the ground. Were you guys on the ground
- 23:46or standing up tustling?
- 23:48>> When he grabbed me, we was I was trying
- 23:51to get out. We was tussling. Then we end
- 23:53up falling to the ground.
- 23:55>> Okay.
- 23:57And then when we fell to the ground,
- 24:00another dude came and got on top of me
- 24:02to help him hold me. And I that's when
- 24:04my wife was
- 24:06That's when my wife came. Yes.
- 24:12I'm trying to remember everything.
- 24:15>> I might not remember in the order.
- 24:18>> Sure.
- 24:18>> But I'm trying to remember.
- 24:20>> Okay. I appreciate that.
- 24:22>> Um
- 24:24Okay.
- 24:26>> Memory ain't that good. That's why I
- 24:28take medication.
- 24:30>> So obviously I told you we were
- 24:32investigating the shooting, right?
- 24:34>> Yeah. So, this shooting that took place,
- 24:37you know,
- 24:39I'm trying to figure out who was
- 24:41shooting.
- 24:43>> Do you know who was shooting? Did you
- 24:45see anybody with a gun?
- 24:48>> I heard the shots. How many shots did
- 24:51you think you heard?
- 24:54Four, five.
- 25:11So
- 25:12understand that we get to a position,
- 25:15you know, we don't just pull your car
- 25:18out of nowhere to say, "Hey, I'm going
- 25:19to stop this car."
- 25:21>> My car was there.
- 25:22>> Your car was there, right?
- 25:24>> Was there stands out. It has a Utah
- 25:27blade. Has a window in the back. So, I
- 25:29know your car is there. I have beards on
- 25:32video. I mean, you have a pretty unique
- 25:36appearance, you know what I mean? Um,
- 25:38when we get beards, but yours is like
- 25:40really white out here. Kind of stands
- 25:42out quite a bit. So, when I look at the
- 25:45video, so we been working with things,
- 25:50okay, so I looked at a lot of video,
- 25:52okay? So, you know, I want to tell you
- 25:55that and I've talked to a lot of people
- 25:57already. So, I want to tell you that
- 25:59with this in mind, okay? I want you to
- 26:01be honest with me. Is everything you
- 26:03told me up to this point been truthful?
- 26:11You hesitated. So, it almost makes me
- 26:13think that not everything has been
- 26:14truthful.
- 26:18So, I would like the truth from you
- 26:21rather than
- 26:24trying. I'm not going to guess. I got to
- 26:26go by facts.
- 26:31>> I'll believe you if that's what you want
- 26:33me to do.
- 26:34>> No, you ain't going to believe me.
- 26:35>> I ain't going to believe you because
- 26:37that's why we're we're here, right?
- 26:38>> Exactly.
- 26:40>> You know,
- 26:41>> I always tell people, I believe you. You
- 26:43give me a reason not to. And I'm at that
- 26:45point where I don't believe you because
- 26:46I heard what I've already seen and the
- 26:48statements that I've already received.
- 26:51So, I'll be playing real straightforward
- 26:54with you, okay? Not to hide any punches
- 26:56because you don't seem like that kind of
- 26:58gentleman that always hide any punches.
- 27:01Did you have a firearm or a gun with
- 27:03you?
- 27:06>> No, I did. I took you from the
- 27:15You took the gun from the guy?
- 27:18Actually, I didn't take it. And when he
- 27:22came out with the gun, we start tussling
- 27:24over the gun.
- 27:34>> So, tell me about that. Who was this
- 27:37guy? Yeah. What was he wearing?
- 27:39>> I don't even know. Like I say, they came
- 27:43out of the store on me. I left the store
- 27:46after the lady told me to leave.
- 27:50Everything else after that
- 27:53is a straight rush.
- 27:56>> Okay.
- 27:57>> I left out of the store. The lady took
- 27:58the sold and said, "Leave." Okay. I
- 28:02didn't argue with her, nothing. I left
- 28:04out of the store.
- 28:07And if you say you got
- 28:10video, you would have seen me leave out
- 28:12of the store. Did nobody leave out of
- 28:14the store behind me except for me when I
- 28:16left under the store?
- 28:17>> Let me see if you're being honest. Okay.
- 28:20Cuz did you hit the female clerk?
- 28:22>> Yes or no?
- 28:24>> No, I didn't hit her. I swung at her but
- 28:28I didn't hit her because the door she
- 28:32stepped back in the door.
- 28:35How did you try to hit her?
- 28:37>> I tried to slap her.
- 28:41Like a slap or like with a closed fist?
- 28:43>> No, a slap. I kind of like this.
- 28:46>> I tried to slap.
- 28:49>> Okay.
- 28:50>> But she went back in.
- 28:52>> Okay.
- 28:52>> Like I say, I told her to go back and I
- 28:54walked up to her when I missed. I walked
- 28:56up to her and I said, "Lady, just go
- 28:58back in the store."
- 29:00>> Okay.
- 29:00>> We good. You know what I'm saying? And I
- 29:03turned around to leave out if everybody
- 29:06come out on you. Okay. At what point you
- 29:09said he came out with the gun? I need to
- 29:12know who he is. And
- 29:14>> it was some um essay dude. Me and he
- 29:19he's the first person that rushed me.
- 29:21>> The essay dude.
- 29:23>> SA dude. Explain that to me. I know. I
- 29:25know. I think I know what you're talking
- 29:26about. But
- 29:27>> he a Spanish dude. Why say essay? Cuz
- 29:29I'm from California. I'm not from here.
- 29:31>> Okay.
- 29:32>> And that's what that's how they talk out
- 29:34there. They say essay.
- 29:35>> I know what that means. I just want to
- 29:36make sure we get that clarification.
- 29:38>> He the first person that came at me.
- 29:40>> Do you remember he was wearing?
- 29:42>> No. In I know he had a I think he had a
- 29:46a cap on cuz he came and got Dr. He came
- 29:50at me talking and we start fighting me
- 29:54and him. And then next thing I know,
- 29:56everybody start jumping on me.
- 30:00Okay.
- 30:03Jumping on me. Yeah.
- 30:12Okay. Me and dude start fighting.
- 30:14>> Okay.
- 30:15>> All right. Then after we start fighting,
- 30:20I really don't know how the gun came in
- 30:22play. I just seen it and
- 30:28I grabbed it. He He had it. I grabbed
- 30:31it. We both tussling over the gun and we
- 30:34fell down to the ground. When we fell
- 30:37down to the ground,
- 30:39the gun went off.
- 30:45>> So you guys were fighting over the gun.
- 30:47>> Yeah, we were fighting over the gun.
- 30:50>> When we both fell, what happened when we
- 30:53was tling over the gun, the other dude
- 30:55came to grab us and all of us fell. It
- 30:59was cuz he fell with us. It was somebody
- 31:02else. I don't know who. I know it's a
- 31:04big dude. Big white dude came over here
- 31:07start trying to tussle with us too. And
- 31:10all well me and the other dude fell on
- 31:13the ground. I don't know what happened
- 31:14to the big dude and the gun went off.
- 31:17>> Okay. So gun goes off and then what
- 31:19happens after that?
- 31:22>> Um
- 31:24I hear my wife say ouch.
- 31:29And I was like, "Oh, I'm shot." That's
- 31:31what I heard my wife say, "I'm shot."
- 31:34I'm like, "Oh,
- 31:37>> and then um
- 31:41that was it. When that went off, it was
- 31:43like everybody got when I got up when
- 31:46nobody, everybody was gone. And then
- 31:48some man said, "You shot me." Like,
- 31:52"Man, I ain't SHOOT YOU. I AIN'T got no
- 31:53gun." Where was the gun at that time?
- 32:06I'm going say when I got up I
- 32:09got up and I went to the car. I picked
- 32:11my wife up, walked around and got in the
- 32:13car and we left.
- 32:14>> So you don't know what happened to the
- 32:15gun?
- 32:16>> I don't know what happened to the guy.
- 32:21>> I don't even know what the blood again.
- 32:23>> What color was it?
- 32:26I think he was over.
- 32:37>> Did you pick up the gun after the first
- 32:40when you guys fell down? The gun went
- 32:41off the first time. Did you pick up the
- 32:43gun after that?
- 33:06I thought my wife got shot cuz she said
- 33:09I got shot. She didn't get shot. And
- 33:13then uh some dude say you shot me. I
- 33:16ain't shoot you. I ain't got no gun.
- 33:25Okay. Is that Is that going to be your
- 33:29final answer? Cuz I have a video with
- 33:32you and a gun.
- 33:34>> You have a video with me and a gun?
- 33:39>> So, explain that to me.
- 33:44This is the gun that I picked up on the
- 33:46ground from D. You were nowhere.
- 33:49I I can't put words into your eyes,
- 33:52though. All I see is you holding a gun
- 33:58and shooting it afterwards.
- 34:01>> After what?
- 34:02>> After you guys after you get up off the
- 34:04ground.
- 34:08You remember that?
- 34:10>> No.
- 34:12Is it possible?
- 34:14Probably.
- 34:16But I didn't hit nobody. How do you know
- 34:18you hit nobody?
- 34:19>> Because the person was still running.
- 34:24>> So were you trying to hit him?
- 34:26>> No.
- 34:27>> If I wanted to hit him, I would have hit
- 34:29him.
- 34:31I was just trying to get people off me
- 34:34cuz everybody was on.
- 34:44The video shows
- 34:47quite a different story.
- 34:50>> The video show
- 34:51>> The video shows Yes.
- 34:54You actually hit the clerk. Video. The
- 34:58video also shows that you were walking
- 35:00around to the driver's side of the
- 35:02vehicle where you were at the point
- 35:04where you
- 35:04>> getting ready get back in. You could
- 35:05have left. Yeah.
- 35:06>> Right. I was f to leave.
- 35:07>> And then what'd you do after that?
- 35:09>> The dude came out the storm.
- 35:12>> But you were on the driver's side. It
- 35:13was opposite of the of the door,
- 35:16>> right?
- 35:16>> And then what'd you do?
- 35:19>> I'm like, what?
- 35:21>> You came back and you charged at the guy
- 35:25the door.
- 35:28That's what the video is going to show.
- 35:30>> Okay. Well, is the video going to show
- 35:32the dude?
- 35:34>> And then, yes, you guys got into a
- 35:36fight, right? Because now you guys are
- 35:38on a full out fight. Absolutely. And you
- 35:41guys are tussing in around the ground.
- 35:43Now, the other guy that you said was
- 35:44trying to He just trying to pull you
- 35:46away.
- 35:48>> Well, I don't know that.
- 35:49>> Yeah, I'm telling you. So, I I want to
- 35:52either Does this make sense to you or or
- 35:56is it just not what you remember?
- 36:00>> You saying the other guy was trying to
- 36:01pull
- 36:02>> he he's trying to pull you apart because
- 36:05you're fighting with this other guy
- 36:06after you've hit the clerk, female
- 36:08clerk. Okay. Oh, I understand that.
- 36:12>> Okay. So, I mean, in my understanding,
- 36:15he's just telling trying to separate.
- 36:17You guys are in a fight. He's trying to
- 36:19separate.
- 36:20>> I don't know that.
- 36:21>> Okay.
- 36:22>> We fighting.
- 36:23>> I don't know that he's trying to say. I
- 36:25think he ain't trying to jump me.
- 36:26>> Okay.
- 36:28But then you said something about a gun,
- 36:31which I believe is your gun
- 36:33and not this other person's gun.
- 36:35>> I don't have a gun.
- 36:36>> You don't have a gun? Are you supposed
- 36:39to have guns?
- 36:39>> No.
- 36:40>> Why not?
- 36:42>> Because I've been in trouble before in
- 36:44California.
- 36:45>> Okay. You serve prison time?
- 36:47>> Yes.
- 36:48>> You've been convicted of felonies?
- 36:50>> Yes.
- 36:52>> So, you're not supposed to have a gun?
- 36:54>> I don't have no gun.
- 36:55>> Okay.
- 36:56>> But you had one yesterday.
- 36:59>> It wasn't mine.
- 37:01>> Okay.
- 37:02So after you say you fell and the gun
- 37:05goes off,
- 37:07I don't know. I can't
- 37:10tell exactly when the gun goes off. Yes,
- 37:12I know there's a gunshot that goes off
- 37:14during that time when you guys are at
- 37:16close range.
- 37:18Okay.
- 37:20So the other person that got shot, which
- 37:23I believe is from your gun,
- 37:26got shot.
- 37:28Did you know that?
- 37:30>> No.
- 37:31You said he hit his head.
- 37:34What does that mean?
- 37:36>> He hit his head when he when we both
- 37:38fell cuz he was like like I hit my head
- 37:45and then um
- 37:49that was it. And I jumped up.
- 37:55You jumped up. Did you have your gun in
- 37:57the hand? The gun in your hand?
- 38:04I when I chopped up
- 38:12did take
- 38:15either you did or you didn't.
- 38:18>> So you took the gun from him
- 38:22and then what did you do with it then?
- 38:29took my to
- 38:33my wife got in the car. Okay. When you
- 38:38stood up to your feet, did you shoot
- 38:40anymore?
- 38:42>> I don't know. Did you say if I did? I
- 38:46did. No, cuz it was not.
- 38:51I seen a video
- 38:54and they have a record of you shooting
- 38:56and your hand like this.
- 38:59You said you would have shot him and you
- 39:01were if I if I wanted to shoot him, I
- 39:04would have shot him.
- 39:05>> Okay.
- 39:06>> So, what were you trying to do then when
- 39:08you shot like this towards that
- 39:10direction?
- 39:12>> I don't even I I don't remember if I
- 39:14shot I think I just pointed it at
- 39:16somebody and they ran
- 39:19the other dude that was involved.
- 39:28So, what did you do with the gun after
- 39:29that?
- 39:30>> I to
- 39:35know I threw it as I was driving. I just
- 39:37threw it out the window.
- 39:43>> You didn't keep it?
- 39:44>> No.
- 39:47Don't like
- 39:52shot too many times.
- 39:59You've been shot too many time.
- 40:00>> Yeah, I've been shot three times
- 40:08where
- 40:11I
- 40:14right here next to my
- 40:20right here
- 40:22and in my ass. I got shot in the ass
- 40:25with a shotgun. So I had pellets instead
- 40:27of slot
- 40:46got in trouble when when I first came
- 40:48out here a while back, but after that
- 40:51I've been doing I changed my turned
- 40:53everything around and try to get my life
- 40:56back on track. I work every day. I take
- 40:59care of my wife. I take care of my kids.
- 41:03I try to live a normal life now because
- 41:08my life was up in the past.
- 41:11>> Where do you work at?
- 41:12>> I work for Pal. I'm a home
- 41:16care director
- 41:17>> for Pal
- 41:20L.
- 41:21>> Where's that at? Um, the main office is
- 41:26out of state, but they have an office
- 41:28here on Randolph.
- 41:29>> Okay.
- 41:30>> Right by over there by the airport.
- 41:33>> Okay.
- 41:33>> I don't remember the actual address, but
- 41:37what is that?
- 41:38>> Oh, he took everything out of my pocket.
- 41:41My W TWS was in my pocket. I just got my
- 41:44W2s back. I just filed my taxes.
- 41:47>> Okay. Oh, and I forgot what what I
- 41:51forgot to ask you.
- 42:04>> Okay. You got to share her phone.
- 42:06>> Yeah. So, do you know where your phone's
- 42:09at right now?
- 42:16>> She didn't have it.
- 42:17>> No.
- 42:18Maybe the vehicle
- 42:21was happen.
- 42:27>> I don't even know. I don't know cuz I
- 42:28left out of the house.
- 42:29>> What kind of phone is it?
- 42:31>> That's a Android.
- 42:33>> Android. What color is it?
- 42:36>> Oh, she has a cover on it. I don't know
- 42:37what color the phone is. Cover on it.
- 42:39Just pink.
- 42:43Does it have a passcode on it?
- 42:45>> I don't know.
- 42:57All right. Um, has your car been
- 43:00involved in anything else?
- 43:05>> Okay. I mean, I'm just asking just cuz
- 43:08what happened to the back window?
- 43:11Oh, the back window.
- 43:15It it felt it came out. Um I was bagging
- 43:19up and in and at the apartments at my
- 43:22sister house
- 43:24>> and this little it's I guess it's the
- 43:28little pain thing that come down where
- 43:30she staying. I backed up too a little
- 43:33bit too far and it punched you the back
- 43:35window. Okay, that's how that broke out.
- 43:39wants us to stay where we're
- 43:45you said your car has gunshots.
- 43:48>> Good. Got bullet holes in it.
- 43:50>> Yeah. There you go.
- 43:53But
- 43:54your car wasn't in the direction of
- 43:57where the gun was shot and you shot.
- 44:04>> So, how did those bullet holes get on
- 44:05your car?
- 44:07Uh, probably when I was leaving.
- 44:10>> You
- 44:12remember that? I have a bunch of
- 44:13witnesses and this is
- 44:15>> Yeah, I know you have a bunch of
- 44:16witnesses.
- 44:17>> Well, dang. Yeah, they going to tell you
- 44:20everybody. You can line and this is for
- 44:23a fact because I didn't get the teacher
- 44:25even told me how to do a line 10 people
- 44:28up or 20 people up. Tell one person one
- 44:32thing from the beginning. By the time
- 44:34you get to the end, you gonna have a
- 44:35totally different story because
- 44:37everybody gonna put their emphasis on.
- 44:39That's the truth.
- 44:39>> And they gonna all add to it.
- 44:42>> Yeah.
- 44:42>> I've heard that before and you're not
- 44:43lying.
- 44:44>> I've actually heard that they call a
- 44:45telephone.
- 44:46>> Yeah.
- 44:47>> Okay.
- 44:49>> You're right.
- 44:50Right. But I take statements when before
- 44:53they talk to everybody. So we don't have
- 44:56that. And I also have video
- 44:59>> and a shot fire
- 45:00>> and that helps. Okay.
- 45:03>> You know what I'm saying? So I talked to
- 45:05people.
- 45:06>> So
- 45:08there was no other shots when you were
- 45:10leaving.
- 45:11>> I know that for a fact,
- 45:13>> right?
- 45:14>> Didn't want to hit me in the back.
- 45:18>> And when I looked at it earlier, it kind
- 45:20of looked kind of busty, honestly. But
- 45:22we'll we'll document it cuz we're going
- 45:24to do the search.
- 45:25Is there a gun in your car?
- 45:27>> There you go in that car.
- 45:31If we do, it's a toy gun
- 45:33>> and it's orange
- 45:37and it ain't real. It shoot darts.
- 45:42>> So, you said made a mention earlier that
- 45:44you threw out the gun that you got from
- 45:46this guy.
- 45:47>> Yeah.
- 45:48>> Where did you throw it out?
- 45:50>> All I did was throw it out the car was
- 45:52going up once.
- 45:56>> Out of which did you throw it out?
- 46:01unwanted. How far away from the Circle
- 46:05K?
- 46:07>> When we drove out of the Circle K and we
- 46:10drove off and my wife said, "Oh, what
- 46:13are you doing with that?" I'm like, "Oh,
- 46:15this ain't mine." I threw it out the
- 46:16window.
- 46:28My wife don't have nothing to do with
- 46:30this.
- 46:35>> I understand she's pregnant.
- 46:37>> Yes, she's pregnant.
- 46:45All we're trying to do is just try being
- 46:50>> Okay.
- 46:51>> You seem very agitated and upset.
- 46:55when you would say yeah with my hand but
- 46:59it's like man
- 47:01I can't get a price even when I try to
- 47:04get it right I can't get a
- 47:09and again
- 47:11is there an ability that you're able to
- 47:13hold on to I mean you were holding that
- 47:15gun pretty pretty
- 47:25Yeah, he says that cuz you can see it on
- 47:27video. That's why he said that.
- 47:28>> Plain state plate. I I'm not making this
- 47:31up. You know that. I know that. So, I'm
- 47:35a You don't already know. Okay. We're
- 47:38not here for that. I am here to hear
- 47:41your perspective and your side of the
- 47:44story. And I don't believe you're being
- 47:46honest because I believe that this gun
- 47:48is yours.
- 47:52And I don't believe you took it away
- 47:54from this male.
- 47:58And you may not know this, but when this
- 48:02all happened,
- 48:04there was two victims. one that got shot
- 48:07besides your wife who now I know got
- 48:10shot grazed.
- 48:13He had injuries to one and the other
- 48:15person died. So this is a homicide
- 48:18investigation.
- 48:20This is serious stuff.
- 48:24I never
- 48:27ever
- 48:30done anything.
- 48:33You've done aggravated batteries.
- 48:36>> Aggravated batteries.
- 48:37>> You've done robberies with a deadly
- 48:38weapon.
- 48:40>> Robert, what deadly weapon? My deadly
- 48:42weapon is I don't know what Okay. Rob
- 48:46with that weapon.
- 48:46>> Have you ever been caught with guns
- 48:48before?
- 48:48>> No.
- 48:49>> Never. I never have a gun.
- 48:52>> I don't use guns.
- 48:56>> Okay. Like I said, I'm I believe people
- 48:58until they give me a reason not to. Have
- 49:01you even even if you went back all the
- 49:04way back even to when I did time in
- 49:07California, you will see that I never
- 49:11ever been charged with gun. I never I
- 49:15don't I don't like guns.
- 49:17>> Okay. So there's no evidence
- 49:21if like the battery like I told the
- 49:24officer just I just I ain't the last
- 49:28time I went to jail is um I got into it
- 49:32was somebody at the at the shopping mall
- 49:36and
- 49:38we we was fighting and I sprayed them
- 49:42off with pepper spray to get them off
- 49:44me. And one of the other dudes that was
- 49:50um trying to break it up was an off duty
- 49:52officer. And I didn't know he was an off
- 49:55duty officer and the pepper spray got in
- 49:57his eye. I got charged for that assault
- 50:01on the police officer. That's not a gun.
- 50:04That was pepper spray.
- 50:07>> Is there going to be You said there was
- 50:09no gun in the car. Is it going to uh gun
- 50:11parts like heavy niches or casings,
- 50:16magazines or anything like that in your
- 50:17car?
- 50:18>> No.
- 50:19>> Whose backpack is in the back seat that
- 50:21I can see from the outside?
- 50:22>> That's my sons.
- 50:23>> That's your sons. Okay. Nothing in
- 50:25there. Nothing in the trunk.
- 50:28>> Pull all that out.
- 50:29>> Yeah. I'm I'm going to I'm going to do a
- 50:31search warrant on your car. So, this you
- 50:33know, but that's what I'm going to find
- 50:35out. Okay. I'm giving you this
- 50:38opportunity to hear. be honest with me
- 50:40whether or not you had a gun or you're
- 50:43still saying it wasn't your gun.
- 50:45>> It's not my gun.
- 50:48>> Do you know where this subject if he had
- 50:50you're trying to say it's his? Where did
- 50:52he pull it out from or where did it come
- 50:54from?
- 51:00Because I'm going to go looking and if I
- 51:02find that gun,
- 51:05he should have
- 51:07his DNA.
- 51:15If I find a gun out there and it has
- 51:16your damn hand, what does that person
- 51:20show me?
- 51:20>> Huh?
- 51:22>> Show me.
- 51:28>> Do you have anything else? I You have
- 51:30questions before I
- 51:33>> um I just have one question. before you
- 51:35got pulled over today um with the
- 51:38officers, you you pulled out of
- 51:41somewhere, right? Can you tell us about
- 51:44that? Where were you at today? This is a
- 51:47day after a shooting that involved the
- 51:49gun, involved somebody's life taken.
- 51:52>> Oh my god.
- 51:53>> I saw me pulling out of the
- 51:56So, the officer believes that you were
- 51:59pulling out of the Woodr suits. Okay.
- 52:02>> I went to meet somebody.
- 52:05Who' you go to meet now?
- 52:07>> My friend.
- 52:11Give me his name.
- 52:12>> That's not him. That's her.
- 52:14>> Okay.
- 52:16>> This your wife know?
- 52:17>> Yeah.
- 52:18>> Both of you guys?
- 52:20>> Yeah.
- 52:21>> What's her name?
- 52:25>> Denise.
- 52:28Was
- 52:30she staying there or
- 52:33how where did you meet her at?
- 52:36>> I just met her right there. I don't know
- 52:38if she know she over there with
- 52:42somebody. I just know she was over
- 52:43there.
- 52:44>> I swear she told me to come.
- 52:46>> Did you meet her in the parking lot or
- 52:47>> Yeah, I met her in the parking lot.
- 52:49>> Was she in a vehicle or
- 52:52>> she was in a car?
- 52:53>> What kind of car she got?
- 52:55>> The SUV.
- 52:59or simultaneously vaccinate.
- 53:06>> You involved in any type of drugs? No.
- 53:10>> Are you using drugs?
- 53:13>> Yes. What kind of drugs are you using?
- 53:17>> Oxycodone.
- 53:19>> How are you using oxy?
- 53:21>> They're taking but they prescribed to
- 53:23me.
- 53:24>> Okay. So, you're not So, are you using
- 53:27any illegal or illicit drugs? Things
- 53:29that not prescribed to you?
- 53:31>> All my drugs is prescribed to me.
- 53:33Marijuana, oxycodone,
- 53:36>> gavin,
- 53:38all that stuff is to me is
- 53:42>> you're not saying street drugs?
- 53:44>> No.
- 53:45>> M?
- 53:46>> No.
- 53:46>> Heroin?
- 53:47>> No.
- 53:48>> Cocaine?
- 53:48>> No.
- 53:49>> Fentanyl?
- 53:50>> No.
- 53:51>> So, none of that.
- 53:52>> None of that.
- 53:55Were you meeting Denise for drugs?
- 53:58>> No.
- 53:58>> She's not that type of friend?
- 54:00>> No. Okay.
- 54:00>> Is there any way we'd be able to prove
- 54:02that you were meeting Denise there in
- 54:03that parking lot? And for example, will
- 54:05there be text messages, phone calls?
- 54:11>> Oh, she called me.
- 54:12>> She's called you?
- 54:15>> You remember her number by her?
- 54:19>> How soon does she call you before that?
- 54:22>> Huh? How soon prior to the stop, the
- 54:25traffic stop when you were when you came
- 54:28out of the hotel? How soon before that
- 54:29did she call you? I'm going to be doing
- 54:32a search war on my phone. See if this is
- 54:34checks out.
- 54:47So,
- 54:50it's kind of giving you an opportunity
- 54:51to be honest with me, Mr. Mr. Ford. You
- 54:54know what I mean? Um, I have a lot of
- 54:56information and I have video uh
- 54:58statements. Okay. Um, I'm going to give
- 55:02our district attorney's office a a
- 55:05brief. Uh, I still believe that this
- 55:08handgun was not provided by the other
- 55:11subject. I believe it came from you
- 55:15and um you were holding it and pointing
- 55:18it and shooting it even after shot.
- 55:26>> Go ahead.
- 55:27>> I didn't shoot though. The gun went off.
- 55:29>> Okay.
- 55:33Um do you know where exactly was the gun
- 55:36at when it went off?
- 55:38>> Where was on the ground?
- 55:39>> Okay, brother.
- 55:41You guys are you say you're trusting
- 55:42over the gun. What exactly means of
- 55:45action?
- 55:46>> What was it?
- 55:47>> Yeah.
- 55:52>> Okay.
- 55:52>> And we move around
- 55:59like and it goes off.
- 56:03>> So where would he you think he would
- 56:05have got shot by the way you describe
- 56:06that?
- 56:13Are they in the side or stomach
- 56:15somewhere around right here?
- 56:18How would that be? If it's right, we
- 56:21tussling in front of each other
- 56:26>> and then we both fall on the ground
- 56:32>> and you're saying the gun just goes off.
- 56:36when we fall on the ground is when the
- 56:37gun went on.
- 56:38>> Did you pull the trigger at that point?
- 56:40>> I didn't pull no trigger
- 56:44>> cuz I don't usually in a fight if
- 56:47something falls out kind of especially
- 56:50with you would see that you would
- 56:52recover that afterwards
- 56:55cuz clearly you can I look at that
- 56:57closer but kind of looked at it pretty
- 56:59in depth and I don't see that. And when
- 57:02we first fall, if it was my gun, you
- 57:04would have seen the gun fall out.
- 57:06>> Exactly. And I didn't see that.
- 57:08>> Exactly.
- 57:09>> So that means you had it the whole time.
- 57:12>> So how could I have it the whole time if
- 57:15we touched it? Why would we We would I
- 57:18would have shot people before we start
- 57:19touching.
- 57:20>> No, I think you pulled it out during the
- 57:22fight and you shot him.
- 57:25>> That's my theory.
- 57:27>> Oh, okay. We if we fight then and he had
- 57:30me
- 57:31>> right
- 57:31>> where I'm going to put a gun from. He
- 57:32had me.
- 57:33>> Yeah.
- 57:34>> No, you had your hands and we don't have
- 57:36to explain it
- 57:37>> cuz the video will explain it.
- 57:40>> Okay.
- 57:47Okay. So again, this is a homicide.
- 57:51Okay. And I'll come back and talk to you
- 57:54real see what we're going to do. I got a
- 57:56couple of search warrants I got to do.
- 57:59Once I complete those search warrants,
- 58:00I'll let you know what's what's going to
- 58:02happen to you.
- 58:04Go ahead and detain you. Unless you have
- 58:06any questions for us. Do you have any
- 58:07questions for us?
- 58:08>> We want to sit here all day with no food
- 58:11and nothing.
- 58:11>> I'll get you some food. You want some
- 58:12food? Get some food.
- 58:14>> I eat breakfast. We
- 58:16>> What do you want to eat? You want some
- 58:17cheeseburgers? Is that good?
- 58:19>> I got a Don't mind me.
- 58:20>> I'll get you some food. That's all.
- 58:21>> Is there anything you can't eat?
- 58:23>> I don't eat pork. Okay. Cheeseburger.
- 58:26Okay. Price. Okay. We'll get you some
- 58:28food. We're not I'm not here
- 58:30>> I'm not really mind worried about I'm
- 58:32worried about my wife
- 58:35>> and we're not here to disrespect in any
- 58:37way. I want to take care of my Okay.
- 58:40>> Now I am I I have a job to do and I have
- 58:44to get to the bottom. Okay.
- 58:48>> I don't think you're being
- 58:50>> I don't think you're being completely
- 58:51honest. Go ahead. Hold on. Give me All
- 58:54all
- 58:56y'all want is a child to do for the
- 58:59North. That's all.
- 59:02>> All
- 59:04you ever
- 59:05>> Whatever.
- 59:08>> How are you trying to be finished?
- 59:11>> Because they all came out on me.
- 59:14I was ready to leave.
- 59:16>> I was leaving.
- 59:17>> And you were like two steps away from
- 59:18your
- 59:19>> Right. And I'm ready to I'm leaving.
- 59:21>> And nobody a Mr. Dar door. No, dude.
- 59:25Come out the store and see if I'll beat
- 59:30your ass right now.
- 59:32And I'm like, "Okay, well, come on with
- 59:34it." Why didn't you just leave? If
- 59:37that's what he said.
- 59:40You were like 2T away from your door. I
- 59:43know where you were at because I see how
- 59:45many where you were at. And guess what
- 59:47you did?
- 59:48>> I was leaving.
- 59:50I was already out of store. Nobody was
- 59:53there.
- 59:55All you had to do was let me be.
- 1:00:00And you could have
- 1:00:02nobody told you to go back to the door.
- 1:00:06Nobody told you to come out and provoke
- 1:00:08a fight cuz you hit a female. So they
- 1:00:10were they were intervening on that. Yes.
- 1:00:14And that's on video. But that was way
- 1:00:18after I slapped the female with it. Then
- 1:00:21I came back to the car.
- 1:00:25>> It's not after maybe 10 seconds.
- 1:00:28I don't know exactly.
- 1:00:33>> No matter what I say, you going to say
- 1:00:34something.
- 1:00:35>> No, I'm just saying I got I got proof.
- 1:00:39>> Okay. Whatever.
- 1:00:41>> You know what I'm saying?
- 1:00:41>> I'm telling you what happened, man. What
- 1:00:44happened with me? But you're not being
- 1:00:46honest.
- 1:00:47>> I'm not being honest
- 1:00:48>> because you're not telling me that
- 1:00:49you're the one that have a gun.
- 1:00:51>> No, I had no
- 1:00:52>> Okay, then we're going to end it there.
- 1:00:54Okay. Do you have any other questions
- 1:00:56for me?
- 1:00:57>> No.
- 1:00:59>> Give me a little bit. Get you some food
- 1:01:01and um we'll be with you as soon as we
- 1:01:04can. Okay.
- 1:01:05>> Once I get to determination of what I'm
- 1:01:07going to do, I'll come and let you know.
- 1:01:10After the interrogation, the case
- 1:01:12against Eric Ray Ford moved through the
- 1:01:14court system without a trial.
- 1:01:16Prosecutors relied on witness
- 1:01:17statements. Physical evidence recovered
- 1:01:20after the shooting and Ford's own
- 1:01:21admissions during the investigation. The
- 1:01:24actions captured on surveillance and
- 1:01:25described by multiple witnesses formed
- 1:01:27the foundation of the charges. In May
- 1:01:302024, Ford entered a guilty plea to
- 1:01:32secondderee murder, aggravated battery
- 1:01:34with a deadly weapon, and aggravated
- 1:01:37assault with a deadly weapon. By
- 1:01:39pleading guilty, he accepted
- 1:01:40responsibility for the fatal shooting of
- 1:01:42Michael Uroasti and the injury of an
- 1:01:44innocent bystander. The plea agreement
- 1:01:47resolved the case without the need for a
- 1:01:49jury verdict. In December 2024, a judge
- 1:01:52sentenced Ford to a total of 26 years in
- 1:01:55prison, the maximum allowed under the
- 1:01:57plea. During sentencing, the court heard
- 1:01:59from the victim's family about the
- 1:02:00lasting impact of Yurios's death. Ford
- 1:02:03will spend decades incarcerated for the
- 1:02:05events that began inside a gas station
- 1:02:07and ended a young man's life. The legal
- 1:02:09process has concluded, but the
- 1:02:11consequences of that night will forever
- 1:02:13remain. If you found this video
- 1:02:15informative, please consider leaving a
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- 1:02:22stories like this one. Thank you.
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