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  1. 0:00Disclaimer. This video is for commentary
  2. 0:02and educational purposes only. All
  3. 0:04individuals are presumed innocent until
  4. 0:06proven guilty in a court of law. Any
  5. 0:08footage used in this video is obtained
  6. 0:10through public records and falls under
  7. 0:12fair use for the purpose of reporting,
  8. 0:14analysis, and public interest.
  9. 0:17>> And then some man said, "You shot me."
  10. 0:20Like, man, I ain't shoot you. I ain't
  11. 0:22got no gun.
  12. 0:24On a February night in Albuquerque, a
  13. 0:26routine stop at a neighborhood gas
  14. 0:27station turned deadly in a matter of
  15. 0:29minutes. Inside a Circle K, a female
  16. 0:32clerk repeatedly asked a disruptive
  17. 0:34customer to leave the store. After
  18. 0:36refusing multiple requests, the man
  19. 0:39struck the clerk in the face, turning a
  20. 0:41verbal disturbance into a violent
  21. 0:42encounter. A customer nearby, 24year-old
  22. 0:46Michael Uriosi, stepped in to protect
  23. 0:49her. The confrontation spilled outside
  24. 0:51the store where the struggle continued
  25. 0:54and escalated. Moments later, a firearm
  26. 0:56was produced and multiple shots were
  27. 0:58fired. Uros was shot in the abdomen and
  28. 1:01later died from his injuries. Another
  29. 1:03uninvolved bystander at the gas pumps
  30. 1:05was also wounded. What happened in those
  31. 1:07final moments and how the man
  32. 1:09responsible explained his actions to
  33. 1:11police would become central to the case
  34. 1:13that followed. This is the interrogation
  35. 1:15of Eric Ray Ford.
  36. 1:17>> You're okay. I'm sorry. Those rooms are
  37. 1:19they've been trying to work on those
  38. 1:20rooms where they warm them up a little
  39. 1:22bit. Hopefully it's a little bit warmer
  40. 1:23in here.
  41. 1:24>> Uh
  42. 1:26I'm glad that you have your jacket on.
  43. 1:28>> How was those snacks?
  44. 1:30>> Snacks. All right. Doing all right.
  45. 1:32Okay. You need any more snacks after
  46. 1:34this? Just let me know. Okay. I'm going
  47. 1:35to have a few more.
  48. 1:36>> All right. So, tell me your first name.
  49. 1:38Eric
  50. 1:40E R.
  51. 1:41>> I see.
  52. 1:42>> Okay. Last name.
  53. 1:45And your date of birth, sir?
  54. 1:50How old is How old are you?
  55. 1:52>> I'm 58.
  56. 1:54>> Okay. What's the social what's a good
  57. 1:57address for you, Mr. Forest?
  58. 2:01>> You live there by yourself or is anybody
  59. 2:03else?
  60. 2:04>> I stay with family.
  61. 2:05>> Okay. Me and my wife both stay there
  62. 2:07with family.
  63. 2:08>> Okay. No problem. Um
  64. 2:14All right.
  65. 2:16Um, I know we did a traffic stop earlier
  66. 2:19on the day with you. Um,
  67. 2:22this is I want to tell you what all this
  68. 2:24is involving and what we're
  69. 2:26investigating
  70. 2:28and then I want to advise you of your
  71. 2:30rights, okay? Cuz you are in custody
  72. 2:32because we did a traffic stop,
  73. 2:33transported you in a police vehicle, had
  74. 2:37you in custody, um, been in the
  75. 2:39detainment room. I wanted to talk to
  76. 2:41you. Um, this is in reference a shooting
  77. 2:43that happened yesterday. Okay. So, I
  78. 2:46kind of want to talk to you about that,
  79. 2:47but I'm going to advise you if you're
  80. 2:48rights, okay? So that you know what's
  81. 2:50going on. If you can, you understand
  82. 2:53these rights. If you can say yes audibly
  83. 2:55so I can hear it verbally, okay? If you
  84. 2:57don't mind. Right. Uh, you have the
  85. 3:00right to remain silent. Do you
  86. 3:01understand this?
  87. 3:02>> Good.
  88. 3:03>> Okay. Anything you say can't be used
  89. 3:05against you in a court law. Do you
  90. 3:06understand this, sir? Good.
  91. 3:08>> Okay. And you have the right to consult
  92. 3:10an attorney before speaking to the
  93. 3:12police and to have an attorney present
  94. 3:14during questioning now or in the future.
  95. 3:16Do you understand this sir?
  96. 3:18>> If you cannot afford a lawyer, one will
  97. 3:21be appointed for you uh before any
  98. 3:24question if you wish. Do you understand
  99. 3:25this sir? Okay. If you decide to answer
  100. 3:28questions now without a lawyer present,
  101. 3:30you will still have the right to stop
  102. 3:32answering until you've talked to an
  103. 3:34attorney. Do you understand this?
  104. 3:36>> Okay. Those are your rights that are
  105. 3:38afforded to you constitutional.
  106. 3:40>> So I'm being arrested.
  107. 3:42>> What's that?
  108. 3:43>> So I'm I'm being arrested.
  109. 3:44>> Well, we're investigating the shooting
  110. 3:46that happened yesterday. Okay. Whether
  111. 3:48or not I arrest you is is kind of
  112. 3:50dependent on the information that I'm
  113. 3:52able to gather. Okay. So I am
  114. 3:55investigating uh the shooting. Um and
  115. 3:59I'm going to ask that if you can, you
  116. 4:02know, talk to me and tell me about it.
  117. 4:04Um that's what I want to talk to you
  118. 4:06about. I have certain information um but
  119. 4:10I wanted to kind of give you that
  120. 4:11opportunity to tell me your story. Is
  121. 4:14that fair? Okay. So, um tell me how your
  122. 4:20day was yesterday.
  123. 4:23>> All right.
  124. 4:25>> Okay.
  125. 4:29Was there anything in particular? Do you
  126. 4:31know what this Do you know the shooting
  127. 4:33I'm talking about or no? You don't have
  128. 4:36any idea?
  129. 4:36>> I don't know what you talking about
  130. 4:38where I don't even you been telling me
  131. 4:41about a shooting about yesterday.
  132. 4:43>> Oh man.
  133. 4:44>> I don't know what shooting. I don't know
  134. 4:46where. You ain't tell me nothing. You
  135. 4:48ain't say what. I just see it was a
  136. 4:50shooting yesterday.
  137. 4:51>> Okay.
  138. 4:51>> I saw um and then when the police pulled
  139. 4:54me over um and told me to get out the
  140. 4:58car and told me to see him. I'm like
  141. 4:59what are you doing? What are y What's
  142. 5:01going on? I'm just pulled up here to get
  143. 5:04some money out of the bank and then they
  144. 5:06pull up on me and do that. So I comply
  145. 5:08with all that they say.
  146. 5:10>> Yes. And we
  147. 5:11>> and I appreciate that.
  148. 5:13>> But I don't know.
  149. 5:15>> I I'll give you more details. So this is
  150. 5:17involving a shooting that your vehicle
  151. 5:20and yourself were involved uh over at
  152. 5:23Circle K.
  153. 5:27>> You remember being there yesterday at
  154. 5:28Circle K?
  155. 5:29>> No, we don't.
  156. 5:31>> Okay. So tell me about what happened at
  157. 5:33that circle. Okay.
  158. 5:36>> Everybody was out there fighting.
  159. 5:40Okay. Tell me about that.
  160. 5:43Um
  161. 5:48I know I went into the store to give me
  162. 5:50and my wife something to drink.
  163. 5:53Um
  164. 5:55my hand is messed up as you can see.
  165. 6:00Man, it's hard for me to hold [ __ ] You
  166. 6:02see my hand is all messed up.
  167. 6:03>> Okay. What's that?
  168. 6:04>> It's hard for me to hold stuff. So, I
  169. 6:07kept trying to get a soda out of the
  170. 6:09thing and my hand it'll hold it for a
  171. 6:13minute and get it to drop it from my
  172. 6:16wife.
  173. 6:16>> So, is this something that's ongoing
  174. 6:17that
  175. 6:18>> Yeah. Yeah. It's with both hands. My
  176. 6:20wife my wife tell me I need to get it
  177. 6:22checked out. It's called tunnel or
  178. 6:24something.
  179. 6:24>> Okay. and and and and I have nerve
  180. 6:27damage in my hand too cuz my nerves
  181. 6:31um I kept dropping the soda. Um when I
  182. 6:35finally got up to the to the counter
  183. 6:38with the sodas
  184. 6:40um um the lady because I kept saying
  185. 6:43damn cuz I keep dropping and I'm like
  186. 6:47damn. And I said it loud and the lady I
  187. 6:50guess she thought I was talking to
  188. 6:52somebody but I wasn't talking to nobody.
  189. 6:55And I went up to the thing and
  190. 6:59she grabbed my shoulders and she told me
  191. 7:02to get out. Right. I'm like, "Lady, I
  192. 7:05ain't talking. I ain't did nothing." She
  193. 7:07like, "Just get out." So I'm like,
  194. 7:09"Okay." I left out
  195. 7:11and I start talking to my wife out the
  196. 7:14car. Then next thing I know, all these
  197. 7:16people come outside and start fighting.
  198. 7:18And there people trying to jump on me
  199. 7:21and oh man, then my wife get try to
  200. 7:26break it up. And I don't know what's
  201. 7:28going on, man.
  202. 7:36Okay. I'm just taking notes. Sorry. Um,
  203. 7:38so
  204. 7:40inside when when you guys got there,
  205. 7:43what where did you park? Do you remember
  206. 7:46who was driving in the vehicle that you
  207. 7:47were in? And is it the same vehicle that
  208. 7:49you were in now?
  209. 7:50>> I was driving.
  210. 7:51>> Okay. So, same vehicle that you got
  211. 7:53pulled over and that was the same
  212. 7:54vehicle that was used over there.
  213. 7:56>> No.
  214. 7:57>> Was it the same vehicle that you got
  215. 7:59pulled over this morning? Is that the
  216. 8:00same vehicle that you had yesterday at
  217. 8:02the circle? Okay.
  218. 8:04Is that the same vehicle?
  219. 8:05>> Yeah.
  220. 8:06>> Okay. So, same vehicle was Okay. And
  221. 8:09where did you park? Do you remember what
  222. 8:11where at in the gas station? Did you
  223. 8:13park?
  224. 8:14>> No.
  225. 8:15>> Okay. Um, what kind of ve Let's talk
  226. 8:19about the vehicle a little bit. Whose
  227. 8:20vehicle is that?
  228. 8:24>> It's not yours?
  229. 8:25>> No.
  230. 8:29>> I borrowed.
  231. 8:31>> Borrowed it?
  232. 8:32>> No.
  233. 8:37How long have you had the vehicle that
  234. 8:39you've been borrowing?
  235. 8:46>> Two days.
  236. 8:50>> Where did you borrow it from? If you
  237. 8:51don't mind asking
  238. 8:56question,
  239. 8:59>> I just
  240. 9:01all I can do is ask. Okay. Um,
  241. 9:06so when you go to the store, do you
  242. 9:09remember you said you were trying to get
  243. 9:11some sodas?
  244. 9:12>> Do you remember what kind of sodas you
  245. 9:14were trying to get?
  246. 9:14>> Strawberry Fanta. Me and my wife's
  247. 9:17favorite.
  248. 9:20>> Okay.
  249. 9:23Um, and you said you were in the in the
  250. 9:27back against the is that the cooler
  251. 9:28area?
  252. 9:29>> Yeah, where the back seat back. about
  253. 9:32how you said you were it's it was hard
  254. 9:34for you to hold things in hand. Both
  255. 9:36hands are like that or just your right
  256. 9:37hand?
  257. 9:38>> Both of them like this one is for this.
  258. 9:40>> Okay. So, you have a hard time with the
  259. 9:42right hand,
  260. 9:42>> right?
  261. 9:43>> Okay. So, uh
  262. 9:44>> as you can see, it's all messed up. It's
  263. 9:46all It look like it's all lumped up and
  264. 9:49swole and all, but that's how it is.
  265. 9:52>> Huh. And that's always like that. It's
  266. 9:54It's been like this for about
  267. 10:00I want to say 10 years. About 10 years.
  268. 10:03Oh, wow. That's a long time.
  269. 10:07What? Um,
  270. 10:09let me see. But how many you There were
  271. 10:13some sodas that were dropped. You were
  272. 10:14dropping some sodas. Do you remember how
  273. 10:17many sodas you dropped?
  274. 10:18>> No, I don't remember. I mean, I know. I
  275. 10:20just kept grabbing them and I kept
  276. 10:22dropping. I just quite
  277. 10:25grabbed him with this hand.
  278. 10:31Okay. And then you said that you were
  279. 10:34and I I'm apologize. You you know your
  280. 10:37own words. You were saying the f word.
  281. 10:40You were you upset at that time when
  282. 10:42when that was
  283. 10:42>> cuz I kept dropping.
  284. 10:44>> Okay.
  285. 10:44>> Yeah. That's why I was saying damn cuz I
  286. 10:48get sick of my hand.
  287. 10:49>> Okay.
  288. 10:50>> You know what I'm saying? Sometimes I
  289. 10:51get sick of my hand and I hit it on
  290. 10:53something just for it to get right and
  291. 10:55then I can hold something.
  292. 10:58>> So it gets very frustrating.
  293. 10:59>> Right. I got you. I got you.
  294. 11:02>> I'm sorry you had to. Your hands were
  295. 11:04like that. You know what that was caused
  296. 11:06by?
  297. 11:09>> Like were you working a lot with your
  298. 11:12hands kind of? I
  299. 11:13>> used to work with my hands a lot. I used
  300. 11:16to I used to make like clocks, tables,
  301. 11:20stuff like that.
  302. 11:20>> You used a lot.
  303. 11:22>> I lose my hands a lot. I don't
  304. 11:24mechanics. I was going to say a lot of
  305. 11:26mechanics, a lot of body guys cuz
  306. 11:28they're they're always doing this a lot
  307. 11:30of lumbers. They're always using their
  308. 11:31hands a lot. They get messed up. So,
  309. 11:34so uh
  310. 11:37I'm just taking notes here. So,
  311. 11:40um,
  312. 11:42so you said when you went to the
  313. 11:43counter, she didn't she just told you to
  314. 11:46leave,
  315. 11:46>> right?
  316. 11:48>> Cuz somebody was in the store chatting
  317. 11:50me, "Calm down. It's all right."
  318. 11:52>> Do Do you remember who that was?
  319. 11:54>> No. I remember it was a lady said, "Calm
  320. 11:58down. It's all right."
  321. 12:02Um,
  322. 12:04you remember what she was wearing by
  323. 12:06chance?
  324. 12:06>> No.
  325. 12:08You remember what she looked like? Oh,
  326. 12:11no. She was a wife.
  327. 12:14>> She was trying to tell you to calm down.
  328. 12:15Do you remember where that that was at?
  329. 12:18Was that back by the cooler?
  330. 12:19>> Yeah. When I was by the cooler, she was
  331. 12:21like, "Calm down. It's going to be all
  332. 12:22right." I'm like, "I don't know. I I
  333. 12:24just It's just my hand, you know."
  334. 12:27>> Okay. So, she was trying to calm me
  335. 12:29down.
  336. 12:30>> No. Yeah. I wasn't even really mad. I
  337. 12:32was just pissed cuz I couldn't hold it.
  338. 12:35>> Okay. But she was like, "It's going to
  339. 12:36be all right." You know what I mean? You
  340. 12:38know, you ain't getting to it. I was
  341. 12:39like, "Yeah." Okay. Does that happen
  342. 12:42frequently?
  343. 12:42>> Yes. Oh, I don't.
  344. 12:45>> Um, when you're yelling like this or
  345. 12:48you're saying these things even like
  346. 12:50straight, I don't know. Do you think
  347. 12:52that would
  348. 12:55I guess
  349. 12:57do you think that scares anybody? Does
  350. 12:58anybody ever like
  351. 12:59>> Yeah, that's probably why he made me
  352. 13:02leave out of the store.
  353. 13:03>> Okay.
  354. 13:04>> You know what I'm saying? So I thought
  355. 13:05maybe that. So I'm like, "Okay." I
  356. 13:08didn't argue with her. I want I stepped
  357. 13:09the sodas on the thing. She snapped
  358. 13:11them. I walked out of the store.
  359. 13:13>> Uhhuh.
  360. 13:15Okay. What happened when you got outside
  361. 13:17of the store?
  362. 13:18>> I was talking to my wife.
  363. 13:20>> Okay. Where was your wife at the
  364. 13:22>> 10:00?
  365. 13:25And uh where what where was she sitting?
  366. 13:28>> In the passenger seat.
  367. 13:29>> Passenger seat. Okay.
  368. 13:32And were you and her arguing or talking
  369. 13:36or was it?
  370. 13:37>> Yeah, I was telling her I was telling
  371. 13:39her when I came out. I was telling her
  372. 13:41what what the lady did in the store. I
  373. 13:44was like, "Babe, my hand up, you know."
  374. 13:47She's like, "Well, when you be going on
  375. 13:50like that, saying damn and all out
  376. 13:52people, you do scare people cuz your
  377. 13:54voice." And I was like, "Well, I guess I
  378. 13:57scared you cuz she took the suckers and
  379. 13:58told me to get out the stove."
  380. 14:01He was like, "Well, okay." And then next
  381. 14:04thing I know, everybody falling out the
  382. 14:06stone.
  383. 14:08Who was outside when you and your wife
  384. 14:09were talking about this? Were you
  385. 14:12outside the vehicle or you
  386. 14:14>> I was I had just came out of the store.
  387. 14:16Okay. And she had a window down. I was
  388. 14:18telling me cuz I was getting back I was
  389. 14:19walk I was getting ready to walk back
  390. 14:21around the car to get back in the car so
  391. 14:22we could meet.
  392. 14:27Okay. And then you said everybody was
  393. 14:28coming out of the store.
  394. 14:30>> Then um do you remember who came out of
  395. 14:32the store?
  396. 14:34>> The first person came out of the store
  397. 14:37was the lady who took the solders behind
  398. 14:39the Circle K. I mean it left it behind
  399. 14:42her desk. Left the Circle K. Circle K.
  400. 14:46>> The worker.
  401. 14:47>> Yeah. She came out and
  402. 14:51>> and what what happened between her and
  403. 14:54you?
  404. 14:56>> She came out um talking crazy and I'm
  405. 15:00like lady just go back in the store. I
  406. 15:04ain't did nothing to you.
  407. 15:07What was she saying that you was talking
  408. 15:09crazy?
  409. 15:11>> I don't know. I don't remember what she
  410. 15:13said. I just know she came out cussing
  411. 15:15at me and this and that. And that's my
  412. 15:18wife was like, "Wait a minute, lady. Who
  413. 15:20was you talking to?"
  414. 15:22That's my husband.
  415. 15:30>> And at that point, what did you do? What
  416. 15:33did you do with that lady? I didn't do
  417. 15:35nothing with the lady. I just told the
  418. 15:36lady to go back in the store
  419. 15:40and I'm leaving. And then when she came
  420. 15:43out, everybody came out and everybody
  421. 15:48start fighting.
  422. 15:51Two dudes came and be to jump on me. I'm
  423. 15:55fighting two dudes.
  424. 15:59Do you remember what they already
  425. 16:04one
  426. 16:08one? I think he had a black jacket on. I
  427. 16:11think that's the one that that that
  428. 16:13left. He ran off.
  429. 16:16>> So the long jacket ran off.
  430. 16:18>> Ran off when the shooting start.
  431. 16:22When the shooting started, I jumped in
  432. 16:23my car and we drove off.
  433. 16:32And so when the shooting happened,
  434. 16:34sorry, when the shooting happened, you
  435. 16:36drove off. Well, when everybody start
  436. 16:38shooting, I don't know who was shooting.
  437. 16:45Yeah.
  438. 16:47Okay.
  439. 16:51So, you don't know who was shooting.
  440. 17:01>> See, I got bullet holes in my car.
  441. 17:06There's a bullet hole in the trunk and
  442. 17:08bullet hole on the side. Another bullet
  443. 17:12hole on the other side. Where it go from
  444. 17:16there?
  445. 17:30And then what happens after you guys
  446. 17:31left?
  447. 17:35Where did you guys go to for
  448. 17:39get something to eat? Finish getting
  449. 17:41something to drink. And I was telling my
  450. 17:43wife
  451. 17:48crazy.
  452. 17:51You remember when you went to get
  453. 17:52something to eat and drink?
  454. 17:54>> I went to Blakes.
  455. 17:59>> Remember which one? You're right up the
  456. 18:01street
  457. 18:03up the street on
  458. 18:06>> so further north on right there
  459. 18:11little bit past Indian school.
  460. 18:20And then after me and my wife got
  461. 18:22something to eat. I bought me my wife to
  462. 18:26my kids eat.
  463. 18:29We went to my mother-in-law house
  464. 18:33and we sat there late.
  465. 18:40>> When did you go home?
  466. 18:42Did you go home last night? You already
  467. 18:50>> stay
  468. 18:53there. I we go like to That's my
  469. 18:57sister-in-law house. Okay.
  470. 18:58>> We go there. I go to my mother-in-law
  471. 19:01house.
  472. 19:02>> Where did you guys stay at last night?
  473. 19:04You know,
  474. 19:04>> my mother-in-law's house.
  475. 19:06>> Okay.
  476. 19:08>> Um, did you guys go anywhere else?
  477. 19:10>> No.
  478. 19:14Where did u this morning uh when the
  479. 19:18officers, you know, stopped you, where
  480. 19:20were you guys going or coming from?
  481. 19:23>> We was going to the to the to get some
  482. 19:26money over the ATM. So we can get
  483. 19:28breakfast.
  484. 19:29>> Okay.
  485. 19:33>> Where were you guys coming from?
  486. 19:35>> We just left home. My mother-in-law
  487. 19:40will just told the kids that he want to
  488. 19:41get something and we'll be right back.
  489. 19:46Were you guys at the hotel or anything?
  490. 19:48Cuz I know he said he seen you guys
  491. 19:49pulling out of a hotel.
  492. 19:53No. Okay.
  493. 20:03Um,
  494. 20:05tell me about the fight. You kind of,
  495. 20:08you know, I mean, I know I know there's
  496. 20:10fights. Okay. So, a fight can be
  497. 20:14fist fight. It was a fist fight.
  498. 20:17>> Oh, what's that?
  499. 20:18>> It's a fist fight.
  500. 20:19>> It's fist fight.
  501. 20:20>> Yeah. In front of the door. Right there.
  502. 20:22Right in front of the door in my car. It
  503. 20:25was a fist fight.
  504. 20:26>> And who who was who was a fist fight?
  505. 20:28Who was in that fist fight?
  506. 20:31>> Um,
  507. 20:33it was
  508. 20:33>> Were you involved in that fight?
  509. 20:35>> Uh, yeah. So, I was in that fight. Um,
  510. 20:40that's the one. The two dudes is trying
  511. 20:42to get me. That's why I said the two
  512. 20:43dudes came out on me. I guess because of
  513. 20:47the lady at the store. They thought I
  514. 20:49did something to the lady at the store.
  515. 20:52>> Did you do something to the lady? No, I
  516. 20:54just cussed her out, that's all.
  517. 20:58>> Did you hit her at any time?
  518. 20:59>> No.
  519. 21:08Um, so you guys were fing by the door
  520. 21:11and then what happened? Was that where
  521. 21:14you guys stayed or did you guys stay?
  522. 21:15>> We stayed right there. My wife, um,
  523. 21:20she really didn't had nothing to do with
  524. 21:22the fight. She was in the car and
  525. 21:24everybody start fighting, you know, and
  526. 21:28all she did was got out of the car and
  527. 21:30try to get the two dudes off me.
  528. 21:33>> How did she do that?
  529. 21:35>> I don't know cuz one I had we was
  530. 21:38together and then the other one was
  531. 21:40choking me and I don't know what I
  532. 21:44couldn't really see her. All I know I
  533. 21:46heard her like, "Get off my husband. Get
  534. 21:48off my husband. Leave him alone.
  535. 21:53So you said in the fight, so your wife
  536. 21:55got out of the car and tried to get the
  537. 21:57two dudes off of you.
  538. 21:58>> Yeah. And then she said another dude
  539. 22:01came from nowhere and pushed her down
  540. 22:04out the way.
  541. 22:06And when they pushed her down, I it
  542. 22:08sound like somebody hit my wife and I
  543. 22:12don't know. I just
  544. 22:13>> What did you do at that point
  545. 22:15>> at that time? It's like I don't know
  546. 22:17where I got strength from. And I just me
  547. 22:19and the dudes that were fighting, I
  548. 22:21threw one dude down on the ground and
  549. 22:23then me and the other dude start
  550. 22:24fighting and we both fell on the ground.
  551. 22:36>> What?
  552. 22:36>> I think when he fell on the ground cuz
  553. 22:39we were both um wrestling together and
  554. 22:42when he fell I think he hit his head and
  555. 22:45then he was like, "Oh my head." And I
  556. 22:48got up and I was like, and then I picked
  557. 22:51my wife up off the ground and we left.
  558. 22:56And then
  559. 23:04who was driving at that time when you
  560. 23:05guys left?
  561. 23:11>> Do you remember which way you went when
  562. 23:12you left?
  563. 23:13>> I told you want to go to go get
  564. 23:15something to eat. Give my uh north
  565. 23:18>> one of us wanted the ball two blanks and
  566. 23:20got something to eat.
  567. 23:27>> Do you remember any descriptions of any
  568. 23:29of these guys that you were in a fight
  569. 23:30with?
  570. 23:31>> All I know is they was big dudes.
  571. 23:42>> The one that you were tustling with on
  572. 23:44the ground. Were you guys on the ground
  573. 23:46or standing up tustling?
  574. 23:48>> When he grabbed me, we was I was trying
  575. 23:51to get out. We was tussling. Then we end
  576. 23:53up falling to the ground.
  577. 23:55>> Okay.
  578. 23:57And then when we fell to the ground,
  579. 24:00another dude came and got on top of me
  580. 24:02to help him hold me. And I that's when
  581. 24:04my wife was
  582. 24:06That's when my wife came. Yes.
  583. 24:12I'm trying to remember everything.
  584. 24:15>> I might not remember in the order.
  585. 24:18>> Sure.
  586. 24:18>> But I'm trying to remember.
  587. 24:20>> Okay. I appreciate that.
  588. 24:22>> Um
  589. 24:24Okay.
  590. 24:26>> Memory ain't that good. That's why I
  591. 24:28take medication.
  592. 24:30>> So obviously I told you we were
  593. 24:32investigating the shooting, right?
  594. 24:34>> Yeah. So, this shooting that took place,
  595. 24:37you know,
  596. 24:39I'm trying to figure out who was
  597. 24:41shooting.
  598. 24:43>> Do you know who was shooting? Did you
  599. 24:45see anybody with a gun?
  600. 24:48>> I heard the shots. How many shots did
  601. 24:51you think you heard?
  602. 24:54Four, five.
  603. 25:11So
  604. 25:12understand that we get to a position,
  605. 25:15you know, we don't just pull your car
  606. 25:18out of nowhere to say, "Hey, I'm going
  607. 25:19to stop this car."
  608. 25:21>> My car was there.
  609. 25:22>> Your car was there, right?
  610. 25:24>> Was there stands out. It has a Utah
  611. 25:27blade. Has a window in the back. So, I
  612. 25:29know your car is there. I have beards on
  613. 25:32video. I mean, you have a pretty unique
  614. 25:36appearance, you know what I mean? Um,
  615. 25:38when we get beards, but yours is like
  616. 25:40really white out here. Kind of stands
  617. 25:42out quite a bit. So, when I look at the
  618. 25:45video, so we been working with things,
  619. 25:50okay, so I looked at a lot of video,
  620. 25:52okay? So, you know, I want to tell you
  621. 25:55that and I've talked to a lot of people
  622. 25:57already. So, I want to tell you that
  623. 25:59with this in mind, okay? I want you to
  624. 26:01be honest with me. Is everything you
  625. 26:03told me up to this point been truthful?
  626. 26:11You hesitated. So, it almost makes me
  627. 26:13think that not everything has been
  628. 26:14truthful.
  629. 26:18So, I would like the truth from you
  630. 26:21rather than
  631. 26:24trying. I'm not going to guess. I got to
  632. 26:26go by facts.
  633. 26:31>> I'll believe you if that's what you want
  634. 26:33me to do.
  635. 26:34>> No, you ain't going to believe me.
  636. 26:35>> I ain't going to believe you because
  637. 26:37that's why we're we're here, right?
  638. 26:38>> Exactly.
  639. 26:40>> You know,
  640. 26:41>> I always tell people, I believe you. You
  641. 26:43give me a reason not to. And I'm at that
  642. 26:45point where I don't believe you because
  643. 26:46I heard what I've already seen and the
  644. 26:48statements that I've already received.
  645. 26:51So, I'll be playing real straightforward
  646. 26:54with you, okay? Not to hide any punches
  647. 26:56because you don't seem like that kind of
  648. 26:58gentleman that always hide any punches.
  649. 27:01Did you have a firearm or a gun with
  650. 27:03you?
  651. 27:06>> No, I did. I took you from the
  652. 27:15You took the gun from the guy?
  653. 27:18Actually, I didn't take it. And when he
  654. 27:22came out with the gun, we start tussling
  655. 27:24over the gun.
  656. 27:34>> So, tell me about that. Who was this
  657. 27:37guy? Yeah. What was he wearing?
  658. 27:39>> I don't even know. Like I say, they came
  659. 27:43out of the store on me. I left the store
  660. 27:46after the lady told me to leave.
  661. 27:50Everything else after that
  662. 27:53is a straight rush.
  663. 27:56>> Okay.
  664. 27:57>> I left out of the store. The lady took
  665. 27:58the sold and said, "Leave." Okay. I
  666. 28:02didn't argue with her, nothing. I left
  667. 28:04out of the store.
  668. 28:07And if you say you got
  669. 28:10video, you would have seen me leave out
  670. 28:12of the store. Did nobody leave out of
  671. 28:14the store behind me except for me when I
  672. 28:16left under the store?
  673. 28:17>> Let me see if you're being honest. Okay.
  674. 28:20Cuz did you hit the female clerk?
  675. 28:22>> Yes or no?
  676. 28:24>> No, I didn't hit her. I swung at her but
  677. 28:28I didn't hit her because the door she
  678. 28:32stepped back in the door.
  679. 28:35How did you try to hit her?
  680. 28:37>> I tried to slap her.
  681. 28:41Like a slap or like with a closed fist?
  682. 28:43>> No, a slap. I kind of like this.
  683. 28:46>> I tried to slap.
  684. 28:49>> Okay.
  685. 28:50>> But she went back in.
  686. 28:52>> Okay.
  687. 28:52>> Like I say, I told her to go back and I
  688. 28:54walked up to her when I missed. I walked
  689. 28:56up to her and I said, "Lady, just go
  690. 28:58back in the store."
  691. 29:00>> Okay.
  692. 29:00>> We good. You know what I'm saying? And I
  693. 29:03turned around to leave out if everybody
  694. 29:06come out on you. Okay. At what point you
  695. 29:09said he came out with the gun? I need to
  696. 29:12know who he is. And
  697. 29:14>> it was some um essay dude. Me and he
  698. 29:19he's the first person that rushed me.
  699. 29:21>> The essay dude.
  700. 29:23>> SA dude. Explain that to me. I know. I
  701. 29:25know. I think I know what you're talking
  702. 29:26about. But
  703. 29:27>> he a Spanish dude. Why say essay? Cuz
  704. 29:29I'm from California. I'm not from here.
  705. 29:31>> Okay.
  706. 29:32>> And that's what that's how they talk out
  707. 29:34there. They say essay.
  708. 29:35>> I know what that means. I just want to
  709. 29:36make sure we get that clarification.
  710. 29:38>> He the first person that came at me.
  711. 29:40>> Do you remember he was wearing?
  712. 29:42>> No. In I know he had a I think he had a
  713. 29:46a cap on cuz he came and got Dr. He came
  714. 29:50at me talking and we start fighting me
  715. 29:54and him. And then next thing I know,
  716. 29:56everybody start jumping on me.
  717. 30:00Okay.
  718. 30:03Jumping on me. Yeah.
  719. 30:12Okay. Me and dude start fighting.
  720. 30:14>> Okay.
  721. 30:15>> All right. Then after we start fighting,
  722. 30:20I really don't know how the gun came in
  723. 30:22play. I just seen it and
  724. 30:28I grabbed it. He He had it. I grabbed
  725. 30:31it. We both tussling over the gun and we
  726. 30:34fell down to the ground. When we fell
  727. 30:37down to the ground,
  728. 30:39the gun went off.
  729. 30:45>> So you guys were fighting over the gun.
  730. 30:47>> Yeah, we were fighting over the gun.
  731. 30:50>> When we both fell, what happened when we
  732. 30:53was tling over the gun, the other dude
  733. 30:55came to grab us and all of us fell. It
  734. 30:59was cuz he fell with us. It was somebody
  735. 31:02else. I don't know who. I know it's a
  736. 31:04big dude. Big white dude came over here
  737. 31:07start trying to tussle with us too. And
  738. 31:10all well me and the other dude fell on
  739. 31:13the ground. I don't know what happened
  740. 31:14to the big dude and the gun went off.
  741. 31:17>> Okay. So gun goes off and then what
  742. 31:19happens after that?
  743. 31:22>> Um
  744. 31:24I hear my wife say ouch.
  745. 31:29And I was like, "Oh, I'm shot." That's
  746. 31:31what I heard my wife say, "I'm shot."
  747. 31:34I'm like, "Oh,
  748. 31:37>> and then um
  749. 31:41that was it. When that went off, it was
  750. 31:43like everybody got when I got up when
  751. 31:46nobody, everybody was gone. And then
  752. 31:48some man said, "You shot me." Like,
  753. 31:52"Man, I ain't SHOOT YOU. I AIN'T got no
  754. 31:53gun." Where was the gun at that time?
  755. 32:06I'm going say when I got up I
  756. 32:09got up and I went to the car. I picked
  757. 32:11my wife up, walked around and got in the
  758. 32:13car and we left.
  759. 32:14>> So you don't know what happened to the
  760. 32:15gun?
  761. 32:16>> I don't know what happened to the guy.
  762. 32:21>> I don't even know what the blood again.
  763. 32:23>> What color was it?
  764. 32:26I think he was over.
  765. 32:37>> Did you pick up the gun after the first
  766. 32:40when you guys fell down? The gun went
  767. 32:41off the first time. Did you pick up the
  768. 32:43gun after that?
  769. 33:06I thought my wife got shot cuz she said
  770. 33:09I got shot. She didn't get shot. And
  771. 33:13then uh some dude say you shot me. I
  772. 33:16ain't shoot you. I ain't got no gun.
  773. 33:25Okay. Is that Is that going to be your
  774. 33:29final answer? Cuz I have a video with
  775. 33:32you and a gun.
  776. 33:34>> You have a video with me and a gun?
  777. 33:39>> So, explain that to me.
  778. 33:44This is the gun that I picked up on the
  779. 33:46ground from D. You were nowhere.
  780. 33:49I I can't put words into your eyes,
  781. 33:52though. All I see is you holding a gun
  782. 33:58and shooting it afterwards.
  783. 34:01>> After what?
  784. 34:02>> After you guys after you get up off the
  785. 34:04ground.
  786. 34:08You remember that?
  787. 34:10>> No.
  788. 34:12Is it possible?
  789. 34:14Probably.
  790. 34:16But I didn't hit nobody. How do you know
  791. 34:18you hit nobody?
  792. 34:19>> Because the person was still running.
  793. 34:24>> So were you trying to hit him?
  794. 34:26>> No.
  795. 34:27>> If I wanted to hit him, I would have hit
  796. 34:29him.
  797. 34:31I was just trying to get people off me
  798. 34:34cuz everybody was on.
  799. 34:44The video shows
  800. 34:47quite a different story.
  801. 34:50>> The video show
  802. 34:51>> The video shows Yes.
  803. 34:54You actually hit the clerk. Video. The
  804. 34:58video also shows that you were walking
  805. 35:00around to the driver's side of the
  806. 35:02vehicle where you were at the point
  807. 35:04where you
  808. 35:04>> getting ready get back in. You could
  809. 35:05have left. Yeah.
  810. 35:06>> Right. I was f to leave.
  811. 35:07>> And then what'd you do after that?
  812. 35:09>> The dude came out the storm.
  813. 35:12>> But you were on the driver's side. It
  814. 35:13was opposite of the of the door,
  815. 35:16>> right?
  816. 35:16>> And then what'd you do?
  817. 35:19>> I'm like, what?
  818. 35:21>> You came back and you charged at the guy
  819. 35:25the door.
  820. 35:28That's what the video is going to show.
  821. 35:30>> Okay. Well, is the video going to show
  822. 35:32the dude?
  823. 35:34>> And then, yes, you guys got into a
  824. 35:36fight, right? Because now you guys are
  825. 35:38on a full out fight. Absolutely. And you
  826. 35:41guys are tussing in around the ground.
  827. 35:43Now, the other guy that you said was
  828. 35:44trying to He just trying to pull you
  829. 35:46away.
  830. 35:48>> Well, I don't know that.
  831. 35:49>> Yeah, I'm telling you. So, I I want to
  832. 35:52either Does this make sense to you or or
  833. 35:56is it just not what you remember?
  834. 36:00>> You saying the other guy was trying to
  835. 36:01pull
  836. 36:02>> he he's trying to pull you apart because
  837. 36:05you're fighting with this other guy
  838. 36:06after you've hit the clerk, female
  839. 36:08clerk. Okay. Oh, I understand that.
  840. 36:12>> Okay. So, I mean, in my understanding,
  841. 36:15he's just telling trying to separate.
  842. 36:17You guys are in a fight. He's trying to
  843. 36:19separate.
  844. 36:20>> I don't know that.
  845. 36:21>> Okay.
  846. 36:22>> We fighting.
  847. 36:23>> I don't know that he's trying to say. I
  848. 36:25think he ain't trying to jump me.
  849. 36:26>> Okay.
  850. 36:28But then you said something about a gun,
  851. 36:31which I believe is your gun
  852. 36:33and not this other person's gun.
  853. 36:35>> I don't have a gun.
  854. 36:36>> You don't have a gun? Are you supposed
  855. 36:39to have guns?
  856. 36:39>> No.
  857. 36:40>> Why not?
  858. 36:42>> Because I've been in trouble before in
  859. 36:44California.
  860. 36:45>> Okay. You serve prison time?
  861. 36:47>> Yes.
  862. 36:48>> You've been convicted of felonies?
  863. 36:50>> Yes.
  864. 36:52>> So, you're not supposed to have a gun?
  865. 36:54>> I don't have no gun.
  866. 36:55>> Okay.
  867. 36:56>> But you had one yesterday.
  868. 36:59>> It wasn't mine.
  869. 37:01>> Okay.
  870. 37:02So after you say you fell and the gun
  871. 37:05goes off,
  872. 37:07I don't know. I can't
  873. 37:10tell exactly when the gun goes off. Yes,
  874. 37:12I know there's a gunshot that goes off
  875. 37:14during that time when you guys are at
  876. 37:16close range.
  877. 37:18Okay.
  878. 37:20So the other person that got shot, which
  879. 37:23I believe is from your gun,
  880. 37:26got shot.
  881. 37:28Did you know that?
  882. 37:30>> No.
  883. 37:31You said he hit his head.
  884. 37:34What does that mean?
  885. 37:36>> He hit his head when he when we both
  886. 37:38fell cuz he was like like I hit my head
  887. 37:45and then um
  888. 37:49that was it. And I jumped up.
  889. 37:55You jumped up. Did you have your gun in
  890. 37:57the hand? The gun in your hand?
  891. 38:04I when I chopped up
  892. 38:12did take
  893. 38:15either you did or you didn't.
  894. 38:18>> So you took the gun from him
  895. 38:22and then what did you do with it then?
  896. 38:29took my to
  897. 38:33my wife got in the car. Okay. When you
  898. 38:38stood up to your feet, did you shoot
  899. 38:40anymore?
  900. 38:42>> I don't know. Did you say if I did? I
  901. 38:46did. No, cuz it was not.
  902. 38:51I seen a video
  903. 38:54and they have a record of you shooting
  904. 38:56and your hand like this.
  905. 38:59You said you would have shot him and you
  906. 39:01were if I if I wanted to shoot him, I
  907. 39:04would have shot him.
  908. 39:05>> Okay.
  909. 39:06>> So, what were you trying to do then when
  910. 39:08you shot like this towards that
  911. 39:10direction?
  912. 39:12>> I don't even I I don't remember if I
  913. 39:14shot I think I just pointed it at
  914. 39:16somebody and they ran
  915. 39:19the other dude that was involved.
  916. 39:28So, what did you do with the gun after
  917. 39:29that?
  918. 39:30>> I to
  919. 39:35know I threw it as I was driving. I just
  920. 39:37threw it out the window.
  921. 39:43>> You didn't keep it?
  922. 39:44>> No.
  923. 39:47Don't like
  924. 39:52shot too many times.
  925. 39:59You've been shot too many time.
  926. 40:00>> Yeah, I've been shot three times
  927. 40:08where
  928. 40:11I
  929. 40:14right here next to my
  930. 40:20right here
  931. 40:22and in my ass. I got shot in the ass
  932. 40:25with a shotgun. So I had pellets instead
  933. 40:27of slot
  934. 40:46got in trouble when when I first came
  935. 40:48out here a while back, but after that
  936. 40:51I've been doing I changed my turned
  937. 40:53everything around and try to get my life
  938. 40:56back on track. I work every day. I take
  939. 40:59care of my wife. I take care of my kids.
  940. 41:03I try to live a normal life now because
  941. 41:08my life was up in the past.
  942. 41:11>> Where do you work at?
  943. 41:12>> I work for Pal. I'm a home
  944. 41:16care director
  945. 41:17>> for Pal
  946. 41:20L.
  947. 41:21>> Where's that at? Um, the main office is
  948. 41:26out of state, but they have an office
  949. 41:28here on Randolph.
  950. 41:29>> Okay.
  951. 41:30>> Right by over there by the airport.
  952. 41:33>> Okay.
  953. 41:33>> I don't remember the actual address, but
  954. 41:37what is that?
  955. 41:38>> Oh, he took everything out of my pocket.
  956. 41:41My W TWS was in my pocket. I just got my
  957. 41:44W2s back. I just filed my taxes.
  958. 41:47>> Okay. Oh, and I forgot what what I
  959. 41:51forgot to ask you.
  960. 42:04>> Okay. You got to share her phone.
  961. 42:06>> Yeah. So, do you know where your phone's
  962. 42:09at right now?
  963. 42:16>> She didn't have it.
  964. 42:17>> No.
  965. 42:18Maybe the vehicle
  966. 42:21was happen.
  967. 42:27>> I don't even know. I don't know cuz I
  968. 42:28left out of the house.
  969. 42:29>> What kind of phone is it?
  970. 42:31>> That's a Android.
  971. 42:33>> Android. What color is it?
  972. 42:36>> Oh, she has a cover on it. I don't know
  973. 42:37what color the phone is. Cover on it.
  974. 42:39Just pink.
  975. 42:43Does it have a passcode on it?
  976. 42:45>> I don't know.
  977. 42:57All right. Um, has your car been
  978. 43:00involved in anything else?
  979. 43:05>> Okay. I mean, I'm just asking just cuz
  980. 43:08what happened to the back window?
  981. 43:11Oh, the back window.
  982. 43:15It it felt it came out. Um I was bagging
  983. 43:19up and in and at the apartments at my
  984. 43:22sister house
  985. 43:24>> and this little it's I guess it's the
  986. 43:28little pain thing that come down where
  987. 43:30she staying. I backed up too a little
  988. 43:33bit too far and it punched you the back
  989. 43:35window. Okay, that's how that broke out.
  990. 43:39wants us to stay where we're
  991. 43:45you said your car has gunshots.
  992. 43:48>> Good. Got bullet holes in it.
  993. 43:50>> Yeah. There you go.
  994. 43:53But
  995. 43:54your car wasn't in the direction of
  996. 43:57where the gun was shot and you shot.
  997. 44:04>> So, how did those bullet holes get on
  998. 44:05your car?
  999. 44:07Uh, probably when I was leaving.
  1000. 44:10>> You
  1001. 44:12remember that? I have a bunch of
  1002. 44:13witnesses and this is
  1003. 44:15>> Yeah, I know you have a bunch of
  1004. 44:16witnesses.
  1005. 44:17>> Well, dang. Yeah, they going to tell you
  1006. 44:20everybody. You can line and this is for
  1007. 44:23a fact because I didn't get the teacher
  1008. 44:25even told me how to do a line 10 people
  1009. 44:28up or 20 people up. Tell one person one
  1010. 44:32thing from the beginning. By the time
  1011. 44:34you get to the end, you gonna have a
  1012. 44:35totally different story because
  1013. 44:37everybody gonna put their emphasis on.
  1014. 44:39That's the truth.
  1015. 44:39>> And they gonna all add to it.
  1016. 44:42>> Yeah.
  1017. 44:42>> I've heard that before and you're not
  1018. 44:43lying.
  1019. 44:44>> I've actually heard that they call a
  1020. 44:45telephone.
  1021. 44:46>> Yeah.
  1022. 44:47>> Okay.
  1023. 44:49>> You're right.
  1024. 44:50Right. But I take statements when before
  1025. 44:53they talk to everybody. So we don't have
  1026. 44:56that. And I also have video
  1027. 44:59>> and a shot fire
  1028. 45:00>> and that helps. Okay.
  1029. 45:03>> You know what I'm saying? So I talked to
  1030. 45:05people.
  1031. 45:06>> So
  1032. 45:08there was no other shots when you were
  1033. 45:10leaving.
  1034. 45:11>> I know that for a fact,
  1035. 45:13>> right?
  1036. 45:14>> Didn't want to hit me in the back.
  1037. 45:18>> And when I looked at it earlier, it kind
  1038. 45:20of looked kind of busty, honestly. But
  1039. 45:22we'll we'll document it cuz we're going
  1040. 45:24to do the search.
  1041. 45:25Is there a gun in your car?
  1042. 45:27>> There you go in that car.
  1043. 45:31If we do, it's a toy gun
  1044. 45:33>> and it's orange
  1045. 45:37and it ain't real. It shoot darts.
  1046. 45:42>> So, you said made a mention earlier that
  1047. 45:44you threw out the gun that you got from
  1048. 45:46this guy.
  1049. 45:47>> Yeah.
  1050. 45:48>> Where did you throw it out?
  1051. 45:50>> All I did was throw it out the car was
  1052. 45:52going up once.
  1053. 45:56>> Out of which did you throw it out?
  1054. 46:01unwanted. How far away from the Circle
  1055. 46:05K?
  1056. 46:07>> When we drove out of the Circle K and we
  1057. 46:10drove off and my wife said, "Oh, what
  1058. 46:13are you doing with that?" I'm like, "Oh,
  1059. 46:15this ain't mine." I threw it out the
  1060. 46:16window.
  1061. 46:28My wife don't have nothing to do with
  1062. 46:30this.
  1063. 46:35>> I understand she's pregnant.
  1064. 46:37>> Yes, she's pregnant.
  1065. 46:45All we're trying to do is just try being
  1066. 46:50>> Okay.
  1067. 46:51>> You seem very agitated and upset.
  1068. 46:55when you would say yeah with my hand but
  1069. 46:59it's like man
  1070. 47:01I can't get a price even when I try to
  1071. 47:04get it right I can't get a
  1072. 47:09and again
  1073. 47:11is there an ability that you're able to
  1074. 47:13hold on to I mean you were holding that
  1075. 47:15gun pretty pretty
  1076. 47:25Yeah, he says that cuz you can see it on
  1077. 47:27video. That's why he said that.
  1078. 47:28>> Plain state plate. I I'm not making this
  1079. 47:31up. You know that. I know that. So, I'm
  1080. 47:35a You don't already know. Okay. We're
  1081. 47:38not here for that. I am here to hear
  1082. 47:41your perspective and your side of the
  1083. 47:44story. And I don't believe you're being
  1084. 47:46honest because I believe that this gun
  1085. 47:48is yours.
  1086. 47:52And I don't believe you took it away
  1087. 47:54from this male.
  1088. 47:58And you may not know this, but when this
  1089. 48:02all happened,
  1090. 48:04there was two victims. one that got shot
  1091. 48:07besides your wife who now I know got
  1092. 48:10shot grazed.
  1093. 48:13He had injuries to one and the other
  1094. 48:15person died. So this is a homicide
  1095. 48:18investigation.
  1096. 48:20This is serious stuff.
  1097. 48:24I never
  1098. 48:27ever
  1099. 48:30done anything.
  1100. 48:33You've done aggravated batteries.
  1101. 48:36>> Aggravated batteries.
  1102. 48:37>> You've done robberies with a deadly
  1103. 48:38weapon.
  1104. 48:40>> Robert, what deadly weapon? My deadly
  1105. 48:42weapon is I don't know what Okay. Rob
  1106. 48:46with that weapon.
  1107. 48:46>> Have you ever been caught with guns
  1108. 48:48before?
  1109. 48:48>> No.
  1110. 48:49>> Never. I never have a gun.
  1111. 48:52>> I don't use guns.
  1112. 48:56>> Okay. Like I said, I'm I believe people
  1113. 48:58until they give me a reason not to. Have
  1114. 49:01you even even if you went back all the
  1115. 49:04way back even to when I did time in
  1116. 49:07California, you will see that I never
  1117. 49:11ever been charged with gun. I never I
  1118. 49:15don't I don't like guns.
  1119. 49:17>> Okay. So there's no evidence
  1120. 49:21if like the battery like I told the
  1121. 49:24officer just I just I ain't the last
  1122. 49:28time I went to jail is um I got into it
  1123. 49:32was somebody at the at the shopping mall
  1124. 49:36and
  1125. 49:38we we was fighting and I sprayed them
  1126. 49:42off with pepper spray to get them off
  1127. 49:44me. And one of the other dudes that was
  1128. 49:50um trying to break it up was an off duty
  1129. 49:52officer. And I didn't know he was an off
  1130. 49:55duty officer and the pepper spray got in
  1131. 49:57his eye. I got charged for that assault
  1132. 50:01on the police officer. That's not a gun.
  1133. 50:04That was pepper spray.
  1134. 50:07>> Is there going to be You said there was
  1135. 50:09no gun in the car. Is it going to uh gun
  1136. 50:11parts like heavy niches or casings,
  1137. 50:16magazines or anything like that in your
  1138. 50:17car?
  1139. 50:18>> No.
  1140. 50:19>> Whose backpack is in the back seat that
  1141. 50:21I can see from the outside?
  1142. 50:22>> That's my sons.
  1143. 50:23>> That's your sons. Okay. Nothing in
  1144. 50:25there. Nothing in the trunk.
  1145. 50:28>> Pull all that out.
  1146. 50:29>> Yeah. I'm I'm going to I'm going to do a
  1147. 50:31search warrant on your car. So, this you
  1148. 50:33know, but that's what I'm going to find
  1149. 50:35out. Okay. I'm giving you this
  1150. 50:38opportunity to hear. be honest with me
  1151. 50:40whether or not you had a gun or you're
  1152. 50:43still saying it wasn't your gun.
  1153. 50:45>> It's not my gun.
  1154. 50:48>> Do you know where this subject if he had
  1155. 50:50you're trying to say it's his? Where did
  1156. 50:52he pull it out from or where did it come
  1157. 50:54from?
  1158. 51:00Because I'm going to go looking and if I
  1159. 51:02find that gun,
  1160. 51:05he should have
  1161. 51:07his DNA.
  1162. 51:15If I find a gun out there and it has
  1163. 51:16your damn hand, what does that person
  1164. 51:20show me?
  1165. 51:20>> Huh?
  1166. 51:22>> Show me.
  1167. 51:28>> Do you have anything else? I You have
  1168. 51:30questions before I
  1169. 51:33>> um I just have one question. before you
  1170. 51:35got pulled over today um with the
  1171. 51:38officers, you you pulled out of
  1172. 51:41somewhere, right? Can you tell us about
  1173. 51:44that? Where were you at today? This is a
  1174. 51:47day after a shooting that involved the
  1175. 51:49gun, involved somebody's life taken.
  1176. 51:52>> Oh my god.
  1177. 51:53>> I saw me pulling out of the
  1178. 51:56So, the officer believes that you were
  1179. 51:59pulling out of the Woodr suits. Okay.
  1180. 52:02>> I went to meet somebody.
  1181. 52:05Who' you go to meet now?
  1182. 52:07>> My friend.
  1183. 52:11Give me his name.
  1184. 52:12>> That's not him. That's her.
  1185. 52:14>> Okay.
  1186. 52:16>> This your wife know?
  1187. 52:17>> Yeah.
  1188. 52:18>> Both of you guys?
  1189. 52:20>> Yeah.
  1190. 52:21>> What's her name?
  1191. 52:25>> Denise.
  1192. 52:28Was
  1193. 52:30she staying there or
  1194. 52:33how where did you meet her at?
  1195. 52:36>> I just met her right there. I don't know
  1196. 52:38if she know she over there with
  1197. 52:42somebody. I just know she was over
  1198. 52:43there.
  1199. 52:44>> I swear she told me to come.
  1200. 52:46>> Did you meet her in the parking lot or
  1201. 52:47>> Yeah, I met her in the parking lot.
  1202. 52:49>> Was she in a vehicle or
  1203. 52:52>> she was in a car?
  1204. 52:53>> What kind of car she got?
  1205. 52:55>> The SUV.
  1206. 52:59or simultaneously vaccinate.
  1207. 53:06>> You involved in any type of drugs? No.
  1208. 53:10>> Are you using drugs?
  1209. 53:13>> Yes. What kind of drugs are you using?
  1210. 53:17>> Oxycodone.
  1211. 53:19>> How are you using oxy?
  1212. 53:21>> They're taking but they prescribed to
  1213. 53:23me.
  1214. 53:24>> Okay. So, you're not So, are you using
  1215. 53:27any illegal or illicit drugs? Things
  1216. 53:29that not prescribed to you?
  1217. 53:31>> All my drugs is prescribed to me.
  1218. 53:33Marijuana, oxycodone,
  1219. 53:36>> gavin,
  1220. 53:38all that stuff is to me is
  1221. 53:42>> you're not saying street drugs?
  1222. 53:44>> No.
  1223. 53:45>> M?
  1224. 53:46>> No.
  1225. 53:46>> Heroin?
  1226. 53:47>> No.
  1227. 53:48>> Cocaine?
  1228. 53:48>> No.
  1229. 53:49>> Fentanyl?
  1230. 53:50>> No.
  1231. 53:51>> So, none of that.
  1232. 53:52>> None of that.
  1233. 53:55Were you meeting Denise for drugs?
  1234. 53:58>> No.
  1235. 53:58>> She's not that type of friend?
  1236. 54:00>> No. Okay.
  1237. 54:00>> Is there any way we'd be able to prove
  1238. 54:02that you were meeting Denise there in
  1239. 54:03that parking lot? And for example, will
  1240. 54:05there be text messages, phone calls?
  1241. 54:11>> Oh, she called me.
  1242. 54:12>> She's called you?
  1243. 54:15>> You remember her number by her?
  1244. 54:19>> How soon does she call you before that?
  1245. 54:22>> Huh? How soon prior to the stop, the
  1246. 54:25traffic stop when you were when you came
  1247. 54:28out of the hotel? How soon before that
  1248. 54:29did she call you? I'm going to be doing
  1249. 54:32a search war on my phone. See if this is
  1250. 54:34checks out.
  1251. 54:47So,
  1252. 54:50it's kind of giving you an opportunity
  1253. 54:51to be honest with me, Mr. Mr. Ford. You
  1254. 54:54know what I mean? Um, I have a lot of
  1255. 54:56information and I have video uh
  1256. 54:58statements. Okay. Um, I'm going to give
  1257. 55:02our district attorney's office a a
  1258. 55:05brief. Uh, I still believe that this
  1259. 55:08handgun was not provided by the other
  1260. 55:11subject. I believe it came from you
  1261. 55:15and um you were holding it and pointing
  1262. 55:18it and shooting it even after shot.
  1263. 55:26>> Go ahead.
  1264. 55:27>> I didn't shoot though. The gun went off.
  1265. 55:29>> Okay.
  1266. 55:33Um do you know where exactly was the gun
  1267. 55:36at when it went off?
  1268. 55:38>> Where was on the ground?
  1269. 55:39>> Okay, brother.
  1270. 55:41You guys are you say you're trusting
  1271. 55:42over the gun. What exactly means of
  1272. 55:45action?
  1273. 55:46>> What was it?
  1274. 55:47>> Yeah.
  1275. 55:52>> Okay.
  1276. 55:52>> And we move around
  1277. 55:59like and it goes off.
  1278. 56:03>> So where would he you think he would
  1279. 56:05have got shot by the way you describe
  1280. 56:06that?
  1281. 56:13Are they in the side or stomach
  1282. 56:15somewhere around right here?
  1283. 56:18How would that be? If it's right, we
  1284. 56:21tussling in front of each other
  1285. 56:26>> and then we both fall on the ground
  1286. 56:32>> and you're saying the gun just goes off.
  1287. 56:36when we fall on the ground is when the
  1288. 56:37gun went on.
  1289. 56:38>> Did you pull the trigger at that point?
  1290. 56:40>> I didn't pull no trigger
  1291. 56:44>> cuz I don't usually in a fight if
  1292. 56:47something falls out kind of especially
  1293. 56:50with you would see that you would
  1294. 56:52recover that afterwards
  1295. 56:55cuz clearly you can I look at that
  1296. 56:57closer but kind of looked at it pretty
  1297. 56:59in depth and I don't see that. And when
  1298. 57:02we first fall, if it was my gun, you
  1299. 57:04would have seen the gun fall out.
  1300. 57:06>> Exactly. And I didn't see that.
  1301. 57:08>> Exactly.
  1302. 57:09>> So that means you had it the whole time.
  1303. 57:12>> So how could I have it the whole time if
  1304. 57:15we touched it? Why would we We would I
  1305. 57:18would have shot people before we start
  1306. 57:19touching.
  1307. 57:20>> No, I think you pulled it out during the
  1308. 57:22fight and you shot him.
  1309. 57:25>> That's my theory.
  1310. 57:27>> Oh, okay. We if we fight then and he had
  1311. 57:30me
  1312. 57:31>> right
  1313. 57:31>> where I'm going to put a gun from. He
  1314. 57:32had me.
  1315. 57:33>> Yeah.
  1316. 57:34>> No, you had your hands and we don't have
  1317. 57:36to explain it
  1318. 57:37>> cuz the video will explain it.
  1319. 57:40>> Okay.
  1320. 57:47Okay. So again, this is a homicide.
  1321. 57:51Okay. And I'll come back and talk to you
  1322. 57:54real see what we're going to do. I got a
  1323. 57:56couple of search warrants I got to do.
  1324. 57:59Once I complete those search warrants,
  1325. 58:00I'll let you know what's what's going to
  1326. 58:02happen to you.
  1327. 58:04Go ahead and detain you. Unless you have
  1328. 58:06any questions for us. Do you have any
  1329. 58:07questions for us?
  1330. 58:08>> We want to sit here all day with no food
  1331. 58:11and nothing.
  1332. 58:11>> I'll get you some food. You want some
  1333. 58:12food? Get some food.
  1334. 58:14>> I eat breakfast. We
  1335. 58:16>> What do you want to eat? You want some
  1336. 58:17cheeseburgers? Is that good?
  1337. 58:19>> I got a Don't mind me.
  1338. 58:20>> I'll get you some food. That's all.
  1339. 58:21>> Is there anything you can't eat?
  1340. 58:23>> I don't eat pork. Okay. Cheeseburger.
  1341. 58:26Okay. Price. Okay. We'll get you some
  1342. 58:28food. We're not I'm not here
  1343. 58:30>> I'm not really mind worried about I'm
  1344. 58:32worried about my wife
  1345. 58:35>> and we're not here to disrespect in any
  1346. 58:37way. I want to take care of my Okay.
  1347. 58:40>> Now I am I I have a job to do and I have
  1348. 58:44to get to the bottom. Okay.
  1349. 58:48>> I don't think you're being
  1350. 58:50>> I don't think you're being completely
  1351. 58:51honest. Go ahead. Hold on. Give me All
  1352. 58:54all
  1353. 58:56y'all want is a child to do for the
  1354. 58:59North. That's all.
  1355. 59:02>> All
  1356. 59:04you ever
  1357. 59:05>> Whatever.
  1358. 59:08>> How are you trying to be finished?
  1359. 59:11>> Because they all came out on me.
  1360. 59:14I was ready to leave.
  1361. 59:16>> I was leaving.
  1362. 59:17>> And you were like two steps away from
  1363. 59:18your
  1364. 59:19>> Right. And I'm ready to I'm leaving.
  1365. 59:21>> And nobody a Mr. Dar door. No, dude.
  1366. 59:25Come out the store and see if I'll beat
  1367. 59:30your ass right now.
  1368. 59:32And I'm like, "Okay, well, come on with
  1369. 59:34it." Why didn't you just leave? If
  1370. 59:37that's what he said.
  1371. 59:40You were like 2T away from your door. I
  1372. 59:43know where you were at because I see how
  1373. 59:45many where you were at. And guess what
  1374. 59:47you did?
  1375. 59:48>> I was leaving.
  1376. 59:50I was already out of store. Nobody was
  1377. 59:53there.
  1378. 59:55All you had to do was let me be.
  1379. 1:00:00And you could have
  1380. 1:00:02nobody told you to go back to the door.
  1381. 1:00:06Nobody told you to come out and provoke
  1382. 1:00:08a fight cuz you hit a female. So they
  1383. 1:00:10were they were intervening on that. Yes.
  1384. 1:00:14And that's on video. But that was way
  1385. 1:00:18after I slapped the female with it. Then
  1386. 1:00:21I came back to the car.
  1387. 1:00:25>> It's not after maybe 10 seconds.
  1388. 1:00:28I don't know exactly.
  1389. 1:00:33>> No matter what I say, you going to say
  1390. 1:00:34something.
  1391. 1:00:35>> No, I'm just saying I got I got proof.
  1392. 1:00:39>> Okay. Whatever.
  1393. 1:00:41>> You know what I'm saying?
  1394. 1:00:41>> I'm telling you what happened, man. What
  1395. 1:00:44happened with me? But you're not being
  1396. 1:00:46honest.
  1397. 1:00:47>> I'm not being honest
  1398. 1:00:48>> because you're not telling me that
  1399. 1:00:49you're the one that have a gun.
  1400. 1:00:51>> No, I had no
  1401. 1:00:52>> Okay, then we're going to end it there.
  1402. 1:00:54Okay. Do you have any other questions
  1403. 1:00:56for me?
  1404. 1:00:57>> No.
  1405. 1:00:59>> Give me a little bit. Get you some food
  1406. 1:01:01and um we'll be with you as soon as we
  1407. 1:01:04can. Okay.
  1408. 1:01:05>> Once I get to determination of what I'm
  1409. 1:01:07going to do, I'll come and let you know.
  1410. 1:01:10After the interrogation, the case
  1411. 1:01:12against Eric Ray Ford moved through the
  1412. 1:01:14court system without a trial.
  1413. 1:01:16Prosecutors relied on witness
  1414. 1:01:17statements. Physical evidence recovered
  1415. 1:01:20after the shooting and Ford's own
  1416. 1:01:21admissions during the investigation. The
  1417. 1:01:24actions captured on surveillance and
  1418. 1:01:25described by multiple witnesses formed
  1419. 1:01:27the foundation of the charges. In May
  1420. 1:01:302024, Ford entered a guilty plea to
  1421. 1:01:32secondderee murder, aggravated battery
  1422. 1:01:34with a deadly weapon, and aggravated
  1423. 1:01:37assault with a deadly weapon. By
  1424. 1:01:39pleading guilty, he accepted
  1425. 1:01:40responsibility for the fatal shooting of
  1426. 1:01:42Michael Uroasti and the injury of an
  1427. 1:01:44innocent bystander. The plea agreement
  1428. 1:01:47resolved the case without the need for a
  1429. 1:01:49jury verdict. In December 2024, a judge
  1430. 1:01:52sentenced Ford to a total of 26 years in
  1431. 1:01:55prison, the maximum allowed under the
  1432. 1:01:57plea. During sentencing, the court heard
  1433. 1:01:59from the victim's family about the
  1434. 1:02:00lasting impact of Yurios's death. Ford
  1435. 1:02:03will spend decades incarcerated for the
  1436. 1:02:05events that began inside a gas station
  1437. 1:02:07and ended a young man's life. The legal
  1438. 1:02:09process has concluded, but the
  1439. 1:02:11consequences of that night will forever
  1440. 1:02:13remain. If you found this video
  1441. 1:02:15informative, please consider leaving a
  1442. 1:02:17like and subscribing to the channel, as
  1443. 1:02:19it really helps support our work and
  1444. 1:02:20allows us to continue covering important
  1445. 1:02:22stories like this one. Thank you.

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