“Go Find My Money” Is Apparently a Working AI Prompt — Transcript

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1. 0:00You got $378.27
2. 0:02>> I literally have 47 more states to go.
3. 0:06>> Yeah, I would like to control your
4. 0:08browser in order to I I actually didn't
5. 0:12read it fast enough to know what it
6. 0:13wants.
7. 0:13>> I just did the equivalent of clicking
8. 0:15yes to the EULA.
9. 0:16>> Don't do that either.
10. 0:17>> That's
11. 0:17It's like a class action lawsuit thing.
12. 0:19>> God, that's that's 30 years old.
13. 0:22>> That you just had sitting there and had
14. 0:23no idea about.
15. 0:24>> Yeah.
16. 0:25>> Yeah.
17. 0:29>> Tom Merritt is my co-host on Cord
18. 0:31Killers. We go live every Tuesday right
19. 0:33here at Modern Rogue. You are far and
20. 0:35away the person I trust most about
21. 0:37technology because you are both precise,
22. 0:39informed, and a little bit pedantic.
23. 0:42>> And so
24. 0:43>> Well, I wouldn't say pedantic.
25. 0:45>> I like it when Modern Rogue episodes are
26. 0:47timeless, but I don't see any way to
27. 0:50even poke a toe in here without
28. 0:53>> Yeah, we just we just
29. 0:54>> But maybe if you are looking at this
30. 0:56down the road, it'll be interesting to
31. 0:57see what has and hasn't changed about
32. 0:59what we're talking about.
33. 1:00>> We're moving from chatbots to agentic
34. 1:02AI. Talk me through this part.
35. 1:03>> Yeah, so chatbots, ChatGPT, Claude,
36. 1:06Gemini, they're the thing even in search
37. 1:08sometimes where you say, "Uh I want to
38. 1:10do this. I need help with this. I need
39. 1:12research on this." And the chatbot goes,
40. 1:14"Great, I can help you with that. Boop
41. 1:15boop boop boop. Here's a report."
42. 1:17>> Right.
43. 1:17>> But they don't take any action. But when
44. 1:19it comes to like, "Oh, so you'll need to
45. 1:21go to this website and fill out a form
46. 1:23or you'll need to you know go down the
47. 1:24street and talk to the person at the
48. 1:26bank." It can't do that. Whereas agentic
49. 1:29can.
50. 1:29>> Another time capsule of this moment is
51. 1:31people are dipping a toe into learning
52. 1:34how to use an agentic AI, but everyone's
53. 1:36like, "For what?" And uh
54. 1:39was talking to our friend Andrew Mayne
55. 1:41who suggested that there's a lot of
56. 1:43unclaimed property and I remembered back
57. 1:46when we did Hacking the System, we did a
58. 1:48little segment where we would go to
59. 1:49missingmoney.com, which I believe is a
60. 1:51legitimate site. Also, there's a lot of
61. 1:53scam sites out there.
62. 1:54>> Yeah, be careful.
63. 1:55>> Uh but you could look up your name and
64. 1:57you could find out whether or not you
65. 1:58were owed money from an old deposit or
66. 2:01maybe a refund or whatever. And that was
67. 2:04kind of the end of it because I looked
68. 2:06up recently how much unclaimed property
69. 2:08is out there. And it turned out that in
70. 2:11the United States, it's estimated to be
71. 2:12$70
72. 2:14billion. So, that's $70 of refunds that
73. 2:17everybody's owed, but I assume is just a
74. 2:20pain in the butt enough to claim that
75. 2:23nobody's bothering to claim.
76. 2:24>> Yeah, a lot of people don't know to go
77. 2:25to missingmoney.com to even find out if
78. 2:27there is missing money for them. But
79. 2:29then once you find it out, then you've
80. 2:31got to go claim it. Congratulations,
81. 2:33>> you get homework.
82. 2:34>> Yay!
83. 2:35>> So, what we're testing here is number
84. 2:38one, does this help at all? Cuz it might
85. 2:40be I know if I talk to ChatGPT, it'll
86. 2:42just continuously hand me more.
87. 2:44>> you, go to missingmoney.com.
88. 2:45>> Exactly. You've messed around with
89. 2:47agentic AI for a minute, right? What are
90. 2:49first principles everyone should know?
91. 2:51>> You have to remember that it is going to
92. 2:53do things for you,
93. 2:55so you can ask it what you want it to do
94. 2:58rather than spending a lot of time
95. 3:00telling it how to do it.
96. 3:01>> Ooh, yeah. Instead of saying go to
97. 3:03missingmoney.com and look up, say, "Hey,
98. 3:06I bet there's unclaimed property. How do
99. 3:08[music] I find it? Can you help me find
100. 3:10it? I'm told that there's a lot of
101. 3:12unclaimed property out there and that I
102. 3:15may be owed some of it. Tell me about
103. 3:17this."
104. 3:18>> Which is a ChatGPT-like question, but
105. 3:20we're going to build on it in a way that
106. 3:22you can't in ChatGPT.
107. 3:23>> Yeah, what else is different about
108. 3:24Codex?
109. 3:25>> I mean, at this point with that prompt,
110. 3:26not a lot. It is just going out on the
111. 3:28web and saying, "Here, there's old bank
112. 3:30accounts and utility deposits and
113. 3:32practical tips and things like that."
114. 3:34So, you could do that same thing in
115. 3:35ChatGPT. It's the next steps that are
116. 3:37going to differentiate.
117. 3:38>> Right. Is it possible for Codex to be my
118. 3:41assistant in getting all my money? I
119. 3:44guess what, we'd have to find out what
120. 3:46money I'm owed and come up with a plan
121. 3:49and would Codex be able to execute on
122. 3:51any of that?
123. 3:54>> I am very slow to ask it to start. I
124. 3:57like to sketch out all the borders. Is
125. 4:00that a good idea or bad idea?
126. 4:01>> that is a good idea because you want to
127. 4:03see where it thinks it's going so that
128. 4:05you don't have to It's It's not so much
129. 4:07about being safe, although that's part
130. 4:09of it. It's more you don't want to waste
131. 4:10time like, "Oh, no, no, no, you're going
132. 4:12down a rabbit hole. I don't want you to
133. 4:13do that. Let's start over again." Get
134. 4:15Get an idea of Ah, okay, yes, you're
135. 4:18going after the thing I want in a way
136. 4:20that makes sense to me. Now go do it.
137. 4:23>> So, what would you do next?
138. 4:24>> Build a checklist of every place, create
139. 4:26a tracker spreadsheet, help [music]
140. 4:28decide which matches, draft claim
141. 4:30explanations.
142. 4:31>> You know what? At this point, I might
143. 4:33ask it, "Great, this sounds like a good
144. 4:35plan.
145. 4:36What's the best place to start?" Okay.
146. 4:39Okay, so now it's asking you for I'm
147. 4:42going to need your full legal name and
148. 4:44I'm going to need common misspellings,
149. 4:46et cetera.
150. 4:47>> I'm actually curious what you would do
151. 4:49because I
152. 4:50>> picked up a tip from you, which is,
153. 4:52"Hey, maybe do a Q&A with me."
154. 4:54>> That's literally what I was about to do.
155. 4:56>> I've got Chrome open. You can control
156. 4:59Chrome, right? What say we just
157. 5:01role-play? Ask me individual questions.
158. 5:03I'll answer any questions you need. Then
159. 5:06I want you to just kind of go out and
160. 5:07get the money or tell me where it is.
161. 5:09How's that sound?
162. 5:10>> And what's cool about this is half of
163. 5:12what you just said could be done in
164. 5:13ChatGPT, but the key was, "I've got
165. 5:16Chrome open. You can control it." So,
166. 5:18it'll be interesting to see what it can
167. 5:20do with that that ChatGPT couldn't
168. 5:22because it can control your local
169. 5:23system.
170. 5:24>> Great. See, and now all of a sudden it's
171. 5:25not giving me a whole bunch of to-dos.
172. 5:27Now we've got one question. I'm in
173. 5:28Texas.
174. 5:30So, that it's claim in Texas. Have I
175. 5:33ever lived, worked, gone to school, had
176. 5:34a bank account in other any other US
177. 5:36states?
178. 5:36>> Yeah, I was in California for a bit.
179. 5:39I've done magic shows in literally all
180. 5:4148 continental US states.
181. 5:43>> Now, granted, it's it's tempting to be
182. 5:45like, "Hey, just access my local
183. 5:47information and answer these questions
184. 5:49yourselves." But, this is a good example
185. 5:51of why you don't want to do that.
186. 5:53>> What name should we search under?
187. 5:54>> Brian Brushwood, Brian Brushwood, Brian
188. 5:58Allen Brushwood, MC
189. 6:01Diggy Dog.
190. 6:02That last one was a joke. Bizarre Magic
191. 6:04Inc.
192. 6:05>> I wonder if whether or not it's going to
193. 6:07mix up the MC [laughter] Diggy Dog.
194. 6:09>> Don't do that.
195. 6:10>> Perfect. That's a solid name set. I like
196. 6:12the I like the Diggy Dog in his early
197. 6:15days. Okay, so
198. 6:17can we watch what it's doing on the
199. 6:20browser?
200. 6:21>> Oh, now it's asking for permission.
201. 6:22Explain this part.
202. 6:23>> This is one of the guardrails that's
203. 6:25built in so that it doesn't go off all
204. 6:27rogue. It's saying, "I would like to
205. 6:29control your browser
206. 6:31in order to I I actually didn't read it
207. 6:34fast enough to know what it wants, but
208. 6:36it's probably to look up
209. 6:37>> I just did the equivalent of clicking
210. 6:38yes to the EULA.
211. 6:39>> before you actually read it. Don't do
212. 6:41that either.
213. 6:42But But, it's saying like, "I want to
214. 6:44use your browser, is that cool?"
215. 6:45>> Allow Todex to access missingmoney.com.
216. 6:48>> Yeah, and it's being very fine-grained
217. 6:50and saying, "I'm going to go to this
218. 6:51website, is that cool?" And before it
219. 6:52adds your social security number to a
220. 6:55website or anything like that.
221. 6:56>> Although, even then, that may be over
222. 6:57the line cuz I've noticed I'll say,
223. 6:59"Just do it." It's like, "You know, I'm
224. 7:00not comfortable. Don't even tell me."
225. 7:03>> They do play on the conservative side of
226. 7:04that.
227. 7:05>> I don't see the checkbox in Chrome. Can
228. 7:09I watch?
229. 7:11>> Oh, oh, there it is. Okay, so yeah.
230. 7:13>> Okay.
231. 7:14>> It has [clears throat] its own There we
232. 7:15go.
233. 7:15>> Got it.
234. 7:15>> Ah, verify you're a human.
235. 7:17>> Oh, look at that.
236. 7:17>> You're lying.
237. 7:18>> We are human.
238. 7:20Together, we did it. Oh my god.
239. 7:23>> A lot of Brushwoods.
240. 7:24>> There's more Brushwoods than I thought.
241. 7:26>> Meanwhile, it's been going through and
242. 7:28figuring out which of these are likely
243. 7:30you and which are not. It's a bunch of
244. 7:32Bizarre Magic Inc. And I think this is a
245. 7:34good demonstration of we were able to
246. 7:35just chat chat chat while it was doing
247. 7:37the tedious work that you would have had
248. 7:38to do yourself.
249. 7:39>> Yeah. Although, everyone's going to have
250. 7:40to take our word for it cuz I suspect
251. 7:42all of this will just be pixels. [music]
252. 7:45>> [laughter]
253. 7:45>> Your job is really just to verify that
254. 7:47you two are human, [music] even though
255. 7:49only one of you is.
256. 7:50>> Yeah, you know what? You're right. Oh,
257. 7:51here we go. Allow So, Claim It Texas.
258. 7:54>> Uh new website, okay.
259. 7:55>> Allow.
260. 7:56>> Ah, okay. So, now it's it's actually
261. 7:59going to the place where you would
262. 8:00submit your claim.
263. 8:02>> When I was poking around before, it
264. 8:03seems like this part is going to be
265. 8:05pretty straightforward. Oh, it's
266. 8:06awaiting approval again.
267. 8:08Here we go. Strangely, an even better
268. 8:11use case would be for money you're owed
269. 8:13from settlements or from lawsuits,
270. 8:15because those they deliberately have a
271. 8:17whole bunch of hoops to make [music] it
272. 8:19difficult in order to claim your
273. 8:20property.
274. 8:21>> Right. And again, you can go through all
275. 8:22those hoops, but you're going to have to
276. 8:24pay attention, you're going to have to
277. 8:26know how to get through the hoops. This
278. 8:29is going to jump through the hoops for
279. 8:30you and just ask you every once in a
280. 8:31while, "Cool if I jump through this
281. 8:32hoop?"
282. 8:33Brian Brushwood, held in Louisiana,
283. 8:36amount under $25.
284. 8:38Allen Brian Allen Brushwood in Texas.
285. 8:40>> Yeah, that actually I was in Members
286. 8:42Choice Credit Union.
287. 8:44>> Uh-huh.
288. 8:44>> The wow!
289. 8:46>> You got 50 bucks at least, maybe more.
290. 8:48>> Yeah.
291. 8:50>> That's why I went to the Texas claim for
292. 8:51the credit union stuff.
293. 8:53>> Oh, look at this. This is a lawsuit
294. 8:55litigation from my brother.
295. 8:57>> Ah.
296. 8:58>> So, that's claimable as well.
297. 8:59>> iPhone iPad warranty.
298. 9:01>> Oh my goodness.
299. 9:02>> It's like a class action lawsuit thing.
300. 9:04>> Yeah.
301. 9:05There's a lot from Jay.
302. 9:07>> Wow. $67.44
303. 9:09from Members Choice Credit Union.
304. 9:11>> God, that's that's 30 years old.
305. 9:14>> That you just had sitting there and had
306. 9:15no idea about.
307. 9:16>> Yeah.
308. 9:17>> Yeah.
309. 9:17>> Oh, look at this.
310. 9:19Audiovisual Labs Inc.
311. 9:20>> What is that?
312. 9:21>> I don't know.
313. 9:22But that seems
314. 9:23>> It's got your address.
315. 9:25>> Even [music] if this takes the same
316. 9:26amount of time, I I could be watching TV
317. 9:28during this.
318. 9:29>> that that's my point is like, yes, you
319. 9:31can go through and do this yourself, the
320. 9:33same way you can remodel your shower.
321. 9:36>> Yeah.
322. 9:37>> Or you can pay someone to remodel your
323. 9:38shower. And you can watch TV or do your
324. 9:42work. And you're paying for Codex,
325. 9:44obviously, but it's doing all of this
326. 9:46while you can get other things done.
327. 9:48>> It's clicking the claim button on all
328. 9:49these.
329. 9:50>> Oh, yeah.
330. 9:52>> And it only clicked it for the ones that
331. 9:54were definitely me.
332. 9:54>> address. This is the kind of stuff we'll
333. 9:56get used to and won't be impressive in
334. 9:58the future.
335. 9:58>> It's impressive right now, though. It's
336. 10:00magic.
337. 10:01>> Are you an officer or the owner?
338. 10:02>> I'm the owner.
339. 10:03>> He liked the company so much he founded
340. 10:06it.
341. 10:06>> That's right.
342. 10:07>> Look, this is interesting. One of the
343. 10:08drop-down IDs starts with a number, so
344. 10:10the normal selector format choked. I'm
345. 10:12[music] switching
346. 10:14to a different approach. Done. So, it
347. 10:17didn't have to tell you that, and if you
348. 10:18weren't paying attention, it wouldn't
349. 10:19matter, but it's kind of interesting to
350. 10:21be like, "Oh, okay. I see I see [music]
351. 10:22why it's taking a little longer to do
352. 10:24it."
353. 10:24>> Yeah.
354. 10:25>> And granted, there are form fillers and
355. 10:27stuff that could do this, but then you
356. 10:29have to call up the This is all-in-one.
357. 10:31>> Fill [music] it out.
358. 10:33>> See what it does. A lot of people think
359. 10:35agents will just run off and do things,
360. 10:37and that's scary. And I think what
361. 10:39you're seeing here is it will do a lot
362. 10:40of things, but it will constantly stop
363. 10:42to make sure like, "Is it okay if I do
364. 10:44this one next?"
365. 10:45>> Yes. [music] I didn't think about this
366. 10:46part. The fact that
367. 10:48this really is tedious and boring.
368. 10:50>> Yeah.
369. 10:51>> [laughter]
370. 10:51>> It's less tedious and boring than
371. 10:53actually doing it yourself, but still
372. 10:55tedious and boring.
373. 10:56>> Got it.
374. 10:58>> Say continue.
375. 10:59>> Continue.
376. 11:00>> Really just wants you to say continue.
377. 11:02It's being a little picky. I'll avoid
378. 11:03echoing any sensitive ID values back
379. 11:05into the chat.
380. 11:06>> And that's because it doesn't want
381. 11:08anything sensitive in this cuz it's
382. 11:10exposed, whereas this is all secure
383. 11:12being in the browser, right?
384. 11:14>> Exactly.
385. 11:15>> Okay.
386. 11:15>> Everything here goes to chat GPT. It
387. 11:18could go to chat GPT.
388. 11:20Uh and so it's saying, "That's not
389. 11:22secure. Other systems on your laptop and
390. 11:25the cloud could potentially read it.
391. 11:27They aren't doing it right now, but just
392. 11:28to make sure I'm not going to put that
393. 11:31in a place where it ever could be read.
394. 11:33This is on a secure connection with the
395. 11:35Texas Claim Society. So, that's fine.
396. 11:38You don't have to worry about that.
397. 11:39>> So, I had never bothered to get an API
398. 11:42before because I was never scripting
399. 11:45before. But, when I got an API, it said,
400. 11:48"Don't paste your key in here. It's
401. 11:50unsafe. I could have a document in a
402. 11:53secure place that it could
403. 11:55>> Oh, cuz it doesn't want to do your SSN.
404. 11:57>> Yeah.
405. 11:58>> You just did something that I think
406. 11:59could have thrown it off, but I don't
407. 12:01think it did. You clicked next.
408. 12:03>> It wanted to click It wanted you to tell
409. 12:05it it was okay to click next.
410. 12:06>> Yeah.
411. 12:07>> So, we'll see how it it advances from
412. 12:09there.
413. 12:09>> Oh, yeah. I don't know if you noticed it
414. 12:10says it advanced partway inside the same
415. 12:12page.
416. 12:13>> Uh-huh.
417. 12:14>> But, now it knows where it is.
418. 12:15>> That's a magical
419. 12:16>> Yeah.
420. 12:17It's like, "Go go go, Brett boss.
421. 12:19Something weird's happening."
422. 12:20>> I found the signature checkbox and the
423. 12:22fields. I'll set the names now, but I'll
424. 12:24leave the actual submit click. It You're
425. 12:26like, "But, I did it already."
426. 12:28>> There we go.
427. 12:28>> How much money are you in for here?
428. 12:30>> $400. $400 plus. And that's just one
429. 12:34thread. There were a bunch of other
430. 12:35threads.
431. 12:36>> Yeah. $378. Yeah.
432. 12:38>> Look at this.
433. 12:39>> Write a summary of what we've done so
434. 12:44far, how much is likely ahead, and what
435. 12:49other similar avenues we should pursue.
436. 12:54>> Yeah, cuz you got $378.27
437. 12:57from just the one search of your company
438. 13:00on Texas.
439. 13:01>> Yes.
440. 13:02>> It said there's stuff in Louisiana. It
441. 13:04said there's other things out there.
442. 13:05>> I literally have 47 more states to go.
443. 13:09>> Yeah.
444. 13:10>> So, for everybody out there who's like,
445. 13:12"Why don't you just do it?" Because what
446. 13:13just happened here times 47.
447. 13:16>> Yeah.
448. 13:17There you go. You got your report.
449. 13:18Search Texas with better variants.
450. 13:20Finish the Texas claim, which is with
451. 13:22the the state directly. Search
452. 13:24Louisiana. Search all the states where
453. 13:26you had university gigs.
454. 13:28>> And when it says search, it means it'll
455. 13:29do it. You just need to tell it to do
456. 13:31it.
457. 13:31>> What would you do at this point?
458. 13:34>> Well, I'm going to wait for the Texas
459. 13:36claim to come. I would probably go
460. 13:39through that process before I do
461. 13:40anything else. Let me see how that goes.
462. 13:42>> To completion.
463. 13:43>> Like, is there going to be anything
464. 13:44where they're like, "Wait, we got your
465. 13:45claim, but we need this." Cuz I might
466. 13:48need it help to do that.
467. 13:49>> Right.
468. 13:49>> Once I've done that, I've got a proof of
469. 13:51concept. Then I will go back and I will
470. 13:53use this report and say, "Hey, uh let's
471. 13:56pick up where we left off. What's the
472. 13:57next step? Where should we start next?"
473. 14:00>> Yeah.
474. 14:00>> And then do this again. What we just did
475. 14:04would have taken you an hour.
476. 14:07>> It would have taken me forever because I
477. 14:09would never have started.
478. 14:11>> You would never started, or if you did,
479. 14:13you wouldn't have finished. You would
480. 14:14have gotten interrupted. You would have
481. 14:15got bored. You would have said, "Eh,
482. 14:17this is I'll do this later." And
483. 14:18instead, in 20 minutes, we got you $378.
484. 14:21>> Well, and here's the fun part is if you
485. 14:23get pulled away, if you're kind of the
486. 14:24kind of person who's got a lot of things
487. 14:26going on,
488. 14:27this kind of task can be interrupted
489. 14:29[music] in this state.
490. 14:31>> True.
491. 14:31>> And it will always be at this part of
492. 14:34the journey, and I can come back. And in
493. 14:35fact, you can actually say, "Check my
494. 14:37other threads. What should I be working
495. 14:39on at any time?"
496. 14:40>> And [music] you can either have a lovely
497. 14:42conversation with your friend or watch
498. 14:44TV show or do some other work while
499. 14:46you're getting $378.
500. 14:48>> Tom, in addition to checking out your
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503. 14:54>> Yes, if you like the way I talk about
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