Global Bond Market IN CHAOS As Bessent DESPERATELY FLAILS — Transcript
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- 0:00One of the funny things about these
- 0:01financial charts when it comes to like
- 0:03oil prices and interest rates is when it
- 0:05they go up, the charts get rendered in
- 0:09green. So, you're like, "Oh, this is
- 0:10great. This is a little boost. This is
- 0:13going great for us." A lot of green uh
- 0:16with the uh with Japanese bonds, the 10
- 0:18and the 30-year and also uh oil prices.
- 0:21But spoiler, probably not so good for
- 0:23you. Uh let's start with B1. Th this is
- 0:28a kind of great global debt unraveling
- 0:31uh that we're witnessing. So that that
- 0:33green you're seeing over there basically
- 0:35uh record jump on the uh Japan um 30
- 0:3830-year note climbing over uh 4% just
- 0:43massively increasing um borrowing costs.
- 0:46And what what it also does is when the
- 0:50Japanese 30-year now you can get if you
- 0:53know it's it's it's fluctuating a little
- 0:54bit but right there you get about 4.2%
- 0:562%. What that means is if you're an
- 0:58investor and you have French or German
- 1:02or American bonds that are getting less
- 1:04than that, you sell those and you go buy
- 1:08the Japanese ones. So now what happens
- 1:12over then over in the US and the France
- 1:14and Germany, those bond prices go down.
- 1:16This is one of the things they'll teach
- 1:18you in the finance 101. when bond prices
- 1:21go down, interest rates go up because
- 1:23it's you need to then entice people
- 1:26basically uh with a little higher
- 1:28interest rate to to uh to get them in.
- 1:30Uh we can put up B2 uh the 10-year bond.
- 1:34Um I like when they compact these charts
- 1:36a little bit.
- 1:37>> Yeah. Makes it look uh rather dramatic.
- 1:39>> Basically, a a green wall of the
- 1:42interest rates just shooting um straight
- 1:44up. Always always always comforting. uh
- 1:48and we put up uh B3 as I was saying
- 1:51these these things you know rebound
- 1:53around uh the world. So this is Reuters
- 1:56reporting. So Japan's 10-year yield hit
- 1:573% for the first time since 1996. Um uh
- 2:02as the as the route hit uh bond prices
- 2:05driving up yields in major economies
- 2:06around the world. Yields hit their
- 2:07highest in 15 years in Germany and their
- 2:10highest since 2008 in the UK. In the US
- 2:13the 10-year yield rose 3.8 8 basis
- 2:16points to uh 4 almost 8% putting it in
- 2:20range of its highest levels uh since
- 2:22since 2023
- 2:23>> co comedown
- 2:25>> um you can put we can put up drop sites
- 2:27so if people want to get this this next
- 2:29one I think is before uh if people want
- 2:31to go dive dive deeper into this um the
- 2:36the the entire economy is kind of being
- 2:38shaken
- 2:40uh by effectively by oil prices and
- 2:43we'll we'll get into that in in a second
- 2:46that that's why this is going on but not
- 2:48to worry put up B5 Scott Bessant which
- 2:52one one of his delightful quotes I don't
- 2:54think we are in any kind of a dire
- 2:56situation
- 2:57>> this is yesterday
- 2:58>> at the G20 which is being held right now
- 2:59in Asheville North Carolina in the
- 3:01United States
- 3:02>> and so uh
- 3:05the reason we're focusing on Japan here
- 3:06is not just because they had the biggest
- 3:08breakout yesterday but also because
- 3:10Besson himself kind of kicked off this
- 3:13insane round of uh financial
- 3:18tumult by intervening to try to defend
- 3:24uh the Japanese yen so that there
- 3:27wouldn't have to be a sell off of US
- 3:29Treasury bonds by uh the Japanese
- 3:32government to support their own
- 3:33currency. So he threw a ton of
- 3:35>> American you threw a ton of dollars into
- 3:37the Japanese economy
- 3:39>> and it it you know here we are. You can
- 3:44ar ar ar ar ar ar ar ar ar ar ar ar ar
- 3:44ar ar ar ar ar ar ar ar argue what maybe
- 3:45we would have been here a week ago if he
- 3:46hadn't done that but all of those
- 3:48billions of dollars you know flushed
- 3:50across the globe. Um and we got to this
- 3:54position anyway. we now just it's very
- 3:56it's similar metaphorically uh to our
- 3:59war in Iran like we so we've shut off
- 4:02all of our munitions and now our stocks
- 4:05are that much lower and we're still in
- 4:06the exact same place if not a little bit
- 4:08worse off um than we were before and all
- 4:11of this is coming back to energy prices
- 4:14which
- 4:14>> are filtering through the economy. the
- 4:17the a Asian countries are, you know, oil
- 4:21obviously is a global commodity, but um
- 4:23Asian countries are more reliant on oil
- 4:26and other petroleum products that flow
- 4:28through the straight of Hormuz than we
- 4:30are just because of the geography of the
- 4:32of the situation. And so, you know, as
- 4:37the it's and it's interesting how it
- 4:38works. Um, as
- 4:42as prices rise because of the increasing
- 4:45cost of gas and diesel and oil
- 4:48>> and prices rise across the board, that
- 4:51is registered as central bankers and and
- 4:55al and you know, financial analysts as
- 4:57inflation because it is prices rising.
- 5:01But think about it. It's not COVID like
- 5:03inflation. It's not it's not inflation
- 5:05because there was too much spending, you
- 5:08know, if you want to take it from a
- 5:09right-wing perspective. It's not
- 5:10inflation because
- 5:13>> um you had, you know, a COVID lockdown.
- 5:16It's inflation because there's less oil
- 5:18and because there's less supply of oil,
- 5:20still same amount of demand for it,
- 5:23prices are going up. And so then the
- 5:26central banks are going to try to
- 5:27respond by trying to crush what what
- 5:30they call demand destruction. So they're
- 5:31going to try to okay, we can't increase
- 5:34supply. It is what it is. We got a war
- 5:36about this. So let's h let's make sure
- 5:38there's less demand. And for there to be
- 5:41less demand, we have to slow down the
- 5:44economy.
- 5:44>> Yeah.
- 5:45>> We have to throw people out of work,
- 5:46give people fewer hours, cut their
- 5:49wages,
- 5:50uh make things make borrowing
- 5:52>> make it hard to buy.
- 5:53>> Yeah. make it make make borrowing and
- 5:55credit uh more difficult for businesses
- 5:56to get so that there's just less
- 5:59economic activity and then people will
- 6:01try to buy less oil because they have
- 6:03less money
- 6:04>> and then you keep prices down but think
- 6:06about that
- 6:06>> less less construction less investment.
- 6:09>> Yeah. You're trying to financially
- 6:10engineer your way out of a problem that
- 6:11is obviously just physical. There aren't
- 6:13enough tankers of oil getting through
- 6:14the straight of Hermuz because we had
- 6:16anou and we decided not to abide by it.
- 6:19Um and so
- 6:22so people who hold bonds
- 6:25see that the European Central Bank next
- 6:28week is expected. I think there's a 95%
- 6:30certainty they're going to raise
- 6:31interest rates. Uh the analysts think
- 6:34that the Japanese central bank is going
- 6:36to raise interest rates. So then because
- 6:39they expect those interest rates to go
- 6:40up,
- 6:42uh they think that the bonds that
- 6:44they're holding will then be
- 6:48they'll they'll go down in price because
- 6:49interest rates go up, bonds go down in
- 6:51price. So they sell them. Get rid of
- 6:54these bonds because these are dogs.
- 6:56>> Mhm.
- 6:56>> Need to need to get rid of get get these
- 6:58off my books. And that then kind of
- 7:02drives the cycle a little bit faster,
- 7:05pushes the price down, pushes interest
- 7:06rates up in anticipation of this of
- 7:08these coming uh rate hikes. And so in
- 7:11order to rescue this like broken
- 7:14economy, we're going to make the economy
- 7:15worse. Like that's literally the
- 7:17>> it's solution.
- 7:19>> It's crazy because just this time last
- 7:21year, Trump was pushing for Kevin Worsh
- 7:24specifically to go into the Fed and take
- 7:26interest rates down. and he gave the
- 7:28speech in Jackson Hole that suggests
- 7:29he's going to raise interest rates.
- 7:30Yeah.
- 7:31>> What I mean he none of the people around
- 7:34him would think he should do otherwise
- 7:36because this is just the autopilot way
- 7:38we've managed the economy for the last
- 7:39whatever hundred years. But this is
- 7:42exactly what Donald Trump wanted to not
- 7:44happen. He wanted to come back in, get
- 7:46interest rates down, have a booming
- 7:48economy, even better than he felt was uh
- 7:51reflected in his first term. And so much
- 7:53so that he was expending significant
- 7:55political capital going after Jerome
- 7:58Powell. Yes.
- 7:59>> Like significant political capital
- 8:01>> trying to prosecute him.
- 8:03>> Yes. And like not that it matters too
- 8:05much to him, but breaking all of the
- 8:06established norms about how the
- 8:08president when just really since the
- 8:10Nixon era or I guess the Carter era, but
- 8:12like breaking all of these norms about
- 8:14how the president talks to the head of
- 8:16the Fed and here he is because he
- 8:19decided to launch the war. It's the
- 8:21opposite of what he was hoping to happen
- 8:23at this time a year ago. And there's no
- 8:26light at the end of the tunnel
- 8:27whatsoever. He's trying on the supply
- 8:29side. We can put B6 up. This is a a drop
- 8:31site post. So funny
- 8:33>> where he said, "We are unleashing
- 8:35American energy dominance on True
- 8:37Social." And drop site writes, "Trump
- 8:40declared that the White House was
- 8:41unleashing American energy dominance in
- 8:43a post after he met major oil refiners
- 8:45at the White House on Tuesday. said
- 8:46yesterday, hoping to find a way to
- 8:48expand capacity and lower surging fuel
- 8:51prices, which threaten higher inflation
- 8:52and lower economic growth. Participants
- 8:55at that White House meeting included
- 8:57Marathon Petroleum, Philip 66, Chevron,
- 8:59Delic US holdings, PBF Energy, Valero
- 9:01Energy, and others. According to the
- 9:03Financial Times, they promoted
- 9:05deregulation. The White House did
- 9:07exemptions from bofuel requirements for
- 9:08small refineries. And you guessed it,
- 9:11increased Venezuelan crude supplies as
- 9:13ways to lower costs. So now they're
- 9:16betting on Venezuela, Ryan.
- 9:18>> Yeah. And and so he brought in all of
- 9:20these oil executives, which is
- 9:23reminiscent of uh Biden once in a while
- 9:25during his um tenure. He was trying to
- 9:28jawbone very gently and quietly. And I
- 9:31wish he would have done it a lot more.
- 9:32>> People jaw boning.
- 9:33>> People were joking that he was like next
- 9:35he was gonna like uh if you remember
- 9:37jawbone the guys whose job it is to
- 9:39change the numbers on the actual like
- 9:41sign outside the gas station. Come on.
- 9:44Come on, Jack.
- 9:45>> Come on, man.
- 9:46>> But, uh, the Financial Times and its
- 9:49coverage of it includes a a photo of a
- 9:52diesel selling for 7.45 a gallon in
- 9:55that's California. A little, you know,
- 9:56it's pricier out there. Um, but there
- 9:59there is no kind of rural economy
- 10:03in the United States that works at 7.45
- 10:0645 a gallon for diesel because diesel is
- 10:09what goes into and so you know tractors
- 10:12you know the trucks like major equipment
- 10:15like the
- 10:16>> everything Yes. And we're now heading
- 10:19into the fall, which is um you know,
- 10:22planting season for some uh crops and
- 10:24harvest season uh for others. And you're
- 10:29going and that's you're and the inputs
- 10:30for fertilizer and diesel for this kind
- 10:33of surge of of energy intensive activity
- 10:37are breaking the back of uh communities
- 10:41all across the country
- 10:42>> farms.
- 10:43>> Um for for what for Iran has already
- 10:48said they don't want a nuclear weapon.
- 10:49Like what what why are you losing your
- 10:52farm?
- 10:53>> What for? The average AAA's average
- 10:57diesel price across the country right
- 10:59now is 569.
- 11:02>> Better than 749.
- 11:03>> A year ago it was 369.
- 11:06>> Right.
- 11:08>> Two two buck increase over the course of
- 11:11the year which is having all the ripple
- 11:13effects that you just described around
- 11:14the world not just here.
- 11:16>> Yep. But uh Trump um he's he yelled at
- 11:20the gas guys. So,
- 11:22>> and he has he owns Venezuela now.
- 11:24>> He owns Venezuela. He's also said that
- 11:28he's going to top off the strategic
- 11:31petroleum reserve with Venezuelan oil.
- 11:35Like, we tried that before. It didn't
- 11:37work. It It's too heavy. It doesn't
- 11:41doesn't work with the caves that we use
- 11:43for our reserves. Like, it's just can't
- 11:46do that. And also they produce about
- 11:48what 1.5 million barrels a day uh and
- 11:52because of this massive uh disinvestment
- 11:56that you're not turning that up next
- 11:58week like with massive investment you
- 12:01could turn it up in a year maybe.
- 12:04>> Mhm.
- 12:05>> Even then it wouldn't be able to fill
- 12:07the strategic petroleum reserve.
- 12:10>> So
- 12:10>> it's it's not even a short-term
- 12:12solution.
- 12:12>> Just just delusional.
- 12:13>> Yeah. It's not even a short-term
- 12:14band-aid.
- 12:15>> Yeah. It's like, what do you mean we're
- 12:16going to like A you we can't actually
- 12:19pump more next week. B it doesn't work
- 12:21in our petroleum reserve.
- 12:23>> So all you can do is try to decrease
- 12:24demand,
- 12:25>> right? Which means you need less money.
- 12:28Like they believe that you have too much
- 12:30money that you're spending in the
- 12:32economy. And so they're going to try to
- 12:35engineer it such that things cost more
- 12:37for you and you have less money and less
- 12:40work, less labor.
- 12:41>> So that then you travel less, you use
- 12:45fewer resources and that drives down
- 12:47prices of things
- 12:50>> which is why Mike Johnson did not want
- 12:52to answer that question about the war
- 12:54when he was asked. We covered that
- 12:56earlier in
- 12:57>> which is why it's good. Our first month
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- 13:00>> That's what this is actually about
- 13:02though. That's you thought the free
- 13:04month subscription trial was just us
- 13:07being benevolent.
- 13:08>> We're actually trying to reduce
- 13:08inflation.
- 13:09>> Yeah. Well, we we do our part. Uh,
- 13:11speaking of the political ramifications
- 13:14of all of this, let's move on to the
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