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0:00Hi, good morning. I know you guys are
0:02like, "Boze, what is this four, five, I
0:05don't know how long it is, hour video?
0:06What is this?" Listen, I got this. Just
0:08trust me. Recently, I learned about this
0:10thing, and I know a lot of you guys do
0:12this cuz you do this with my videos, but
0:14I just found out about it. People kind
0:16of drown out their anxious thoughts with
0:18like people talking or music or
0:21something like that, so they can like
0:22focus on a task at hand. I don't do
0:24that. I wallow in my anxiety and my
0:26thoughts, but I recently found out about
0:28this practice. I know have y'all been
0:30doing this, watching my videos. Y'all
0:31didn't tell me. I'm over here stressing
0:33out when I could be cleaning and
0:34listening to Fresh and Fit. Why was that
0:36the first podcast
0:37[laughter]
0:39with that? I have found long two to
0:42three-hour videos very comforting so
0:45that I can clean or just do some kind of
0:47task at hand. So, what you're about to
0:49see is just a straight-up four hours of
0:52raw footage from one of my live streams
0:53where we watched a little bit more of
0:55the Chandler Halderson case. The video
0:56itself is kind of interesting, but
0:59listen, the main reason I'm uploading
1:00this is so you can go get your work
1:02done. Go draw something. Go clean
1:04something. You just listen to the
1:06mindless banter in the background, but
1:08actually also I'm mostly the one with
1:10the mindless banter. Look, I'm just
1:11running my mouth right now. The case is
1:13pretty crazy. And Cat, Chandler's
1:15ex-girlfriend, that took the screenshot
1:17of him in the Snapchat thing, she takes
1:18the stand and it's actually pretty
1:20intense. I couldn't stop watching. We
1:22all watched this for about four or five
1:24hours on the live stream. So, you know
1:25what? Find something that you need to
1:27get done. Maybe it's a little
1:28administrative work, some bills, some
1:31something. Hang out with me. Sit here,
1:33and whenever you got to get it done,
1:34turn the video back on. I got you. By
1:36the way, folks, I have started a second
1:38channel just for shorter videos. You
1:40know, there's a lot of stuff that
1:40happens on the live stream that's funny
1:42that, you know, doesn't go anywhere. You
1:43can check it out in the description. So,
1:45basically, Chandler Halderson was lying
1:48to his parents for many, many years.
1:50Eventually, he got caught, and instead
1:52of facing his lies, he chose to murder
1:54his parents and tried to bury them in a
1:57friend of the family's backyard. He was
1:59actually caught walking from the
2:02backyard back to the pool where somebody
2:04had taken a photo of him in deep in the
2:06woods were his parents dismembered body
2:09parts. Uh so you may have seen the
2:11YouTube video where we watched the
2:12prosecution's opening statements, but
2:14there's so much more to this. What
2:15you're looking at right now is his
2:17girlfriend Kat who takes the stand here.
2:19So let's check this out. This is
2:21Chandler Halderson's now ex-girlfriend
2:25taking the stand.
2:26please state and spell your name for us?
2:28Uh Katherine Melender, c a t h r y n
2:32Melender m e l
2:34e n d e r.
2:35And could you grab the base of the
2:37microphone and pull it really close cuz
2:39the fans are on. That creates a level of
2:41noise. Your voice is on the softer side
2:43and you have a mask so Okay. being up
2:46really close to it will make sure we can
2:47all hear. Thank you. Go ahead.
2:49You go by Kat, correct? Correct. Can I
2:51call you Kat today? Yes.
2:52is the prosecutor we like. I know I
2:54recognize his voice.
2:55are you? I'm 21 years of age. And um do
2:59you live here in in the Madison area? I
3:01do live in the Madison area. Okay. And
3:04do you know someone named Chandler
3:05Halderson? I do. How do you know
3:06Chandler?
3:07We were in a relationship.
3:09[laughter]
3:10Um at this point um something's going to
3:11happen. The judge is going to ask
3:13everyone out here to lower their mask
3:15and I'm going to ask you if you see
3:15Chandler in the courtroom. So many
3:17strange things we're going to do. So the
3:18judge will go Don't say anything until
3:20everybody has re-masked. If everyone can
3:22lower their masks for count of three,
3:24one every everybody within the courtroom
3:26uh except in the jury box, one, two,
3:29three, replace your masks. Is Chandler
3:30in the room here today? Yes. Can you
3:32tell me where he's sitting and describe
3:33what he's wearing?
3:34Show him! He's over there with the blue
3:36tie and a blazer. They were dating and
3:39she got no remorse.
3:41Uh when did you first uh begin your
3:43relationship with Chandler? Nah, bro.
3:45Hold on.
3:47I got to change my shirt. I'm getting
3:48into this. It's not like my titties are
3:50sweating or nothing. I just like I'm
3:52getting hot in this and I know I'm about
3:53to be moving, bro. Um in August 2019.
3:58Um and how did you meet?
4:00Uh we met through a friend.
4:03Um what was Chandler kind of what was
4:05going on in his life when you first met?
4:06What was he doing with his life?
4:08Um
4:09[sighs and gasps]
4:09he was attending college. He was living
4:12at home and preparing to move into an
4:14apartment.
4:14Oh my god.
4:15Um
4:17dog sitting quite often. She's a
4:19trooper. And where were you in life?
4:20What were you up to when you first met
4:22back in 2019?
4:23Uh when I first met Chandler, I
4:27was going to school as well. Um Guys,
4:30she was dating Chandler when he murdered
4:33his parents.
4:35I don't know if you guys remember the
4:37part where like she where Chandler said
4:39he was going off to do chores and then
4:41she looked at his location on Snapchat
4:43and he was in the woods and she took a
4:45screen cap of it. Like she was actively
4:47dating him when he murdered the two
4:49people on this world that he would have
4:51claimed to love the most also he could
4:53get away with a lie. You know what I
4:54mean? And so like thinking about her
4:56sitting here just talking about her
4:58relationship with Chandler when he's
5:00like she was in the interrogation room
5:03defending Chandler because she thought
5:04there was no possible way that he did
5:06this. You know what I mean? Jesus
5:08Christ.
5:10Oh my god. Damn, you guys are I feel
5:12like people are always so surprised that
5:14I'm 30. Listen, guys, get over it, okay?
5:16You're not going to find anyone at 30
5:18with this much energy and zest to life,
5:20okay? Most of us have given up. I don't
5:22know why I still have it. Just bear with
5:24me, okay?
5:25Part of student senate.
5:27Doing shows um in the theater
5:29department.
5:33What types of things did you and
5:34Chandler do in your relationship? Did
5:36you go on a lot of dates together?
5:38Uh yeah, we would um
5:40grab dinners
5:41Did you ever have money? have movie
5:43dates, just sit at home and watch
5:44movies.
5:46Um
5:47go on walks quite often.
5:50Play with the dogs.
5:51That was a big thing. We loved playing
5:53Frisbee with the dogs.
5:55Um Wow.
5:56start shows together.
5:58Sure.
5:59Um
6:00And all that stuff is very cute, but it
6:02was free 99 because Chandler ain't have
6:06no job. That's probably why he was dog
6:08sitting just to get a little bit of
6:09extra coin. But if he was really working
6:11at this insurance company like he said
6:13he was, he would have had a couple Gs a
6:15month. He wouldn't have to pay rent.
6:16Like I think I think it's parents were
6:17eventually asking for a couple hundred
6:19dollars in rent. But take the girl out
6:21for dinner. Damn.
6:24Around 2019 and 2020 and then um
6:27obviously
6:30into this year a little bit like the
6:31last year, 2021. Um how would you and
6:34Chandler communicate um with each other?
6:36Just by calling each other or were there
6:37other things too? Um we would talk on
6:40Snapchat, text, FaceTime, and call quite
6:43often. Okay.
6:45Um
6:46would you also um so is text, Snapchat,
6:49call, FaceTime? Mhm.
6:51Would sometimes you start communicating
6:54about a subject on one and then switch
6:56to another and then switch back? Yes. Um
6:59fair to say you communicated or you
7:01texted a lot with Chandler. Mhm. Yes. Um
7:05Let's see the texts.
7:05And
7:07you've seen in this case I am the
7:09nosiest woman in America. Anytime
7:12somebody mentions something they're
7:13like, "It was in a text message. You
7:15guys were texting. They were text
7:17messages." I'm like, "Let's see them.
7:19Pull them out. Bring out the text
7:20messages." that probably at some point
7:22printouts of even just a couple of days
7:24of your text messages which are hundreds
7:25of pages long, right? Yes. Okay.
7:29Uh
7:29Guys, we're not doing an age poll. First
7:32of all, that's [ __ ] weird. Second of
7:33all, it's discriminatory. You're
7:35discriminating against me. And third of
7:37all, I don't want to know how many of
7:39you guys are 11. Otherwise, I'm going to
7:40stop cursing. Do not ask for an age
7:43poll, otherwise we will change the
7:44entire trajectory of the stream. [ __ ]
7:47Thank you. Did you have any sort of
7:48relationship with um Chandler's family?
7:52Yes. Um let's start um
7:54with his brother, Mitchell. Um did you
7:56know Mitchell? I did know Mitchell. Tell
7:58me about your relationship with
7:59Mitchell.
7:59to watch an interview with Mitchell.
8:00Um I would hang out with him at the
8:02family events, uh be it like a dinner or
8:06for the holidays.
8:07Also, somebody in chat said mentally I
8:09am 11. I can agree with that. I span
8:12several ages. I can go anywhere from 11
8:15years old to 31. Just say the word.
8:17[laughter]
8:18Okay, everyone shut the [ __ ] up now. We
8:20got to watch the video. This is This is
8:22interesting. I didn't expect this to be
8:23this interesting. I was over here like
8:24"Boo boo boo, I'm a little chill
8:26stream." I had to change my top.
8:29Now shut up.
8:32Also, I want to apologize to anyone
8:34that's like "Wow, I want to meet Boze
8:36one day." Someone said "I'm three." Get
8:38out I have to ban you now because you
8:40said you're three.
8:41Um how are you typing? You're just a
8:43baby.
8:48I don't remember what I was going to
8:49say. Hold on.
8:55Everyone shut up.
8:57You're just a crying baby. Stop!
9:00[laughter]
9:01This one's definitely going on YouTube.
9:06Dude, people are going to be watching
9:07this on YouTube and the comments on the
9:08side are going to be like "I'm three."
9:10[laughter]
9:19All right, are we ready now?
9:21Children.
9:24Okay, someone's at press play. Damn,
9:26fine.
9:28I did know Mitchell. Tell me about your
9:29relationship with Mitchell.
9:31I was just born.
9:33I would hang out with him at the family
9:34events, uh be it like a dinner, for the
9:37holidays.
9:39Um, we had a game night at his home once
9:41with Caitlyn and Chandler and myself.
9:43Mhm.
9:44Um
9:46usually see him during family events.
9:49Um, what about um let's start with Bart.
9:51Did you have a relationship or how how
9:53did you know Bart Holderson?
9:55I knew Mr. Holderson through Chandler.
9:58Someone said they went to school with
9:59him. I would be at their home quite
10:01often and
10:03he [snorts] would um
10:06[panting]
10:07Okay.
10:08Should I
10:09show me a
10:11fishing tips
10:13or if I was cooking
10:15uh
10:16him and Mrs. Holderson would be in the
10:17kitchen. Cat, you know it's so
10:19good.
10:19often.
10:21We would also um
10:23play Mario Kart together a lot.
10:30This is This is why I said
10:33I said this in the last video, Chandler
10:35Holderson is a [ __ ] sicko.
10:38I I mean
10:39Cat had no idea that he didn't even like
10:43his parents. I don't even think he
10:45disliked his parents. He just wanted to
10:47get away with the lie and then get the
10:49life insurance policy.
10:51That's it.
10:53That's it.
10:54That's it.
10:56Dude, I want to know I bet you Chandler
10:58had a telegram. I'm just saying some
10:59weird stuff be happening over there
11:00sometimes. Some something this is weird.
11:03It's just weird.
11:05She's going to go ahead and take a
11:06moment.
11:07[snorts]
11:09And water.
11:13You're doing good, Cat.
11:15What about Krista? Could you tell me
11:16about your relationship with Krista
11:18Holderson?
11:20Mrs. Holderson and I we would text often
11:22about
11:24what we're doing in our lives and talk
11:26about the dogs and
11:28Chandler and like
11:31[gasps]
11:33we would
11:34talk about recipes and food we want to
11:36try and
11:37[snorts]
11:38if I was cooking them something from uh
11:40my culture,
11:42she would always be excited and we'd
11:43talk about it and always talk about game
11:46nights and
11:48wanting to do a girls trip to Disneyland
11:50together.
11:52Both her, I, and Caitlin. Okay.
11:55Um
11:56You texted often with Miss Halverson?
11:59Yes, I did. Um
12:00positive relationship, a good
12:02relationship? Yeah.
12:04Did you like
12:04No doubt, bro.
12:05like Miss Halverson a lot. Did you like
12:07Mr. Halverson? Yes, I did. Dude. Um
12:11Were you ever You were over at the
12:12Halverson home quite Can you imagine the
12:15betrayal, the trust issues?
12:18Like I would be so worried dating
12:20anybody ever. Chandler's girlfriend was
12:22the best thing he had going on. Dude,
12:24seriously. Seriously.
12:28Man, dude.
12:29Very often. Very often, yes.
12:30And that's uh over in Windsor, Oak
12:32Springs Circle? Yes.
12:34Your
12:36That's fine. Leave
12:38it alone. Sure.
12:39Whereabouts?
12:40Leading questions. Okay.
12:41We'll withdraw the question and I'll ask
12:43it again. Whereabouts did the Halversons
12:44live?
12:45They lived in Windsor, um
12:49[sighs and gasps]
12:49Wait, what was the question that they
12:51said was leading? About where they
12:52lived? Come on, dude. Halverson. Yes, I
12:55did. Um
12:56positive relationship, a good
12:57relationship? Yeah. Uh Did you like her?
13:01I did like Miss Halverson a lot. Did you
13:03like Mr. Halverson? Yes, I did.
13:05Um
13:07Were you ever You were over at the
13:08Halverson home quite a bit? Very often,
13:10yes.
13:11And that's uh over in Windsor, Oak
13:12Springs Circle?
13:13Yeah, I guess.
13:14I guess. They grabbed him from home.
13:17That's fine.
13:18I'll I'll leave
13:19Sure.
13:20Whereabouts?
13:20Leading questions. Okay. We'll withdraw
13:22the question and I'll ask it again.
13:23Whereabouts did the Halversons live?
13:26They lived in Windsor. Um
13:28[sighs]
13:29[gasps]
13:29Okay.
13:31past um
13:35that big church. I don't know the road
13:37of it, but it was past the big church,
13:39right by a pond.
13:41[snorts]
13:42Um when you were over at the the house,
13:44um
13:45did you mostly stick in one spot or did
13:47you kind of treat it like your own home,
13:49go wherever you needed to go?
13:51I would go wherever I needed to go
13:52within reason. Okay.
13:54Back in um
13:57June of this year, just before maybe
14:00everything that we're going to talk
14:01about happened, um were you
14:03Jolly O'Malley said, "Okay, is there
14:06anyone else here who wants a dog half
14:09their size?"
14:11How big are you?
14:13I don't understand that question at all.
14:14Like
14:17I can't even answer it. Also, do you
14:18know
14:20what we're doing right now?
14:24I understand if you're bored.
14:29I understand.
14:32A dog half their size.
14:36Okay. All right. Anyways.
14:39You were over at the Halderson home Read
14:40the room. Yeah, thanks Jay. Read the
14:42room, dude.
14:43[laughter]
14:43That's all I got to say. Just read the
14:45room, bro.
14:47Back in um
14:50At least [laughter] they're animal.
14:51of this year, just before maybe
14:53everything that we're going to talk
14:54about happened, um were you over at the
14:56Halderson home and had an occasion to
14:57maybe go in the basement? Yes. Um why
15:00did you go in the basement while you
15:01were over there? What's in the basement?
15:02the basement to grab um ice cream and
15:05soda to make root beer floats with Mr.
15:07and Mrs. Halderson and Chandler. That is
15:09so sweet.
15:09sometime in When is it? June. Okay.
15:13Um
15:14and where were you Why were you going to
15:16the basement to grab those items? Were
15:17they there
15:18Were they were they were they were in
15:18the basement? They were in the basement
15:20in the freezer. Okay. The Haldersons had
15:22freezer in the basement? Up two.
15:25There's leading questions going on.
15:27About the freezers? I'll sustain. Go
15:29ahead and phrase carefully. Tell me
15:31about what freezers the Halverson's had.
15:35They had a chest freezer and then a tall
15:38one.
15:39Kind of like a fridge, but it was just a
15:41freezer. Okay.
15:43And did you have an occasion ever to go
15:45in the chest freezer? Yes. And what
15:48types of things were in there?
15:50Mostly fish, specifically salmon.
15:53Veggies.
15:57Sometimes they'd keep ice bags in there.
15:59Was it full?
16:01Yes.
16:01The other freezer, did you have
16:03occasions to go in that on occasion?
16:05Just
16:06once. And was it being used and full?
16:09Yes. Okay.
16:11Is there a screen on in front of you
16:12right now?
16:14Yes. Okay. I'm going to show you exhibit
16:1621 been received into evidence in the
16:17Wait, hold on. I got to make sure
16:19there's no body parts here. Hello.
16:21Exhibit 21 brought into evidence.
16:24Hold on now.
16:26I think we went too far, judge. I've
16:28been received in Okay. You know? I got I
16:30got I got to make sure, guys, cuz there
16:32was one stream where I was like, let's
16:34do this case. And like right in the
16:35opener, they were like, do you recognize
16:37the body of this dead woman? And I was
16:39like,
16:40[screaming]
16:41Give a second.
16:42Just give a second, you guys. Talk
16:44amongst yourselves. Thank you. Thank
16:45you.
16:47No, that's what we discussed.
16:52There we go. Halverson's base basement
16:54All right there. Is that sitting like
16:55that?
16:56Okay. Out of discovery you were covered
16:59in I think we're okay.
17:02Uh
17:04I think we have beyond all days and
17:06Okay. You know?
17:08Yes. Okay. I'm going to show you exhibit
17:1021 been received into evidence in this
17:12case.
17:17I I think we went too far, Judge.
17:19There was a happy [snorts] medium there
17:20in the second.
17:22No, that's what we discussed.
17:25That's the freezer.
17:27Did he just
17:32Is the Is the Elmo on? Oh, it is.
17:39It's the wrong
17:41There we go. Um
17:42There's a little bit of a glare on that,
17:43but is that um look to be the
17:45Halverson's basement or something else?
17:48Yes, it's the Halverson basement. And
17:51that chest freezer that's open right
17:53there, is that the chest freezer that
17:54you'd been in previously?
17:55Yes. And was it full when you saw it in
17:57June? Yes.
17:59Um was it sitting like that open when
18:01you saw it last? No.
18:03Okay.
18:05Was it in that general location when you
18:06saw it last? Mhm.
18:17Yes.
18:19[snorts]
18:19Think about that one.
18:21Okay.
18:23In your relationship with Chandler, um
18:26was there a lot of discussion about um
18:28money?
18:32Money?
18:32Yes. Okay.
18:33Um
18:34was it important to you that
18:36whoever you were dating have a job or be
18:39going to school or something?
18:40Or Yes. Can you tell me why that would
18:42be important?
18:47Um
18:51just think being self-sufficient.
18:53Okay. It's either in school or working.
18:57Okay.
18:59Um
19:00as far as you knew in 2020
19:03and this year even 2021, let's say the
19:06spring of of last year,
19:08um
19:09was Chandler going to school?
19:11Yes. Did he talk about that with you?
19:14Yes. What did you know about where
19:16Chandler was going to school and what he
19:17was doing?
19:20If you're not fully up to date on this
19:21case, that was the thing that blew this
19:23whole thing out of the water. He was
19:25never in school. He was lying to his
19:26girlfriend, his parents, making up fake
19:29emails, lying to himself, probably
19:31friends. He was never in school.
19:33He was um
19:36taking classes Is Bo's live? Absolutely,
19:39baby. Right here, in the flesh. Gooby.
19:42was online
19:44through MATC for UW.
19:47And it was for an IT degree.
19:51Would Chandler talk a lot about school
19:53with you?
19:55Often. Um what would he talk about?
19:59What? He would just randomly lie.
20:02or
20:04homework that we were doing.
20:07Going into in this year, did did he ever
20:09show you any sort of like work he was
20:11doing for school, any projects, things
20:12like that?
20:13Um he showed me some coding he was doing
20:16once.
20:17For a class?
20:21Um
20:24You said he was going online. Did
20:25Chandler ever physically go there as far
20:27as you knew?
20:30For a class?
20:34I don't remember. This is the Chandler
20:35Halderson case, guys.
20:37No, he he never did. He never went to
20:39campus.
20:39into the summer prior to everything
20:41happening, did you believe Chandler was
20:43going to MATC?
20:45Yes.
20:46Did you ever see um his Colette says,
20:50"This lawyer is so gentle and
20:51sympathetic with her. It's low-key
20:53healing my trauma." Dude, we love this
20:55prosecutor. If you haven't already seen
20:57the original video from it, it's been on
20:59my channel like 2 weeks ago or so, this
21:01prosecutor is so good. I love seeing
21:03everyone's approach. Like Juan Martinez,
21:05for example, from the Jodi Arias case.
21:07That one was cutthroat. Julie, that was
21:10a angry mother, okay? Every prosecutor's
21:12got a different approach. Also, if you
21:15haven't seen it, the Dark Knight shooter
21:17case
21:18I think that attorney's name is like
21:20Richard Richard B or something like
21:22that. I'm not sure. Um he was a
21:23rockstar, too. Maybe dude, maybe what we
21:26Should we rewatch that? Cuz I feel like
21:28I watched that prosecutor when we had
21:31like maybe like 500 or 1,000 viewers. It
21:33was still pretty big, but that was a
21:35really good one. Maybe we should just
21:37watch some court stuff today. Mhm. Mhm.
21:40His grades, did he ever share his grades
21:41with you or transcripts or anything like
21:43that?
21:43No.
21:44No. No, he didn't show me. Mhm.
21:48Um do you know how close he was to
21:50graduating?
21:52Uh he
21:53one class away, I believed.
22:01Did you and Chandler ever talk about um
22:03him working with the police at all with
22:05scuba diving or anything like that?
22:12With the DNR. Sure. Tell me about that.
22:16Um
22:18he told me he would scuba dive for the
22:20DNR and then
22:22sometimes help out the police through
22:24the DNR. Oh my god.
22:26what he would do for them like
22:27specifically?
22:29Scuba diving. She just really thought
22:31this was a great job.
22:35Was this like a a job or a volunteer
22:37thing? What was your understanding from
22:38Chandler?
22:41I believe it was a job.
22:43And
22:45did he have this throughout the time you
22:46were dating?
22:47Mhm.
22:48During the summer.
22:53Were there ever times where Chandler
22:55would go to that job as far as you knew
22:57or need to schedule time to be there?
22:59Yes. Um how would that come up?
23:02He would just tell me he had to be on
23:05call days and we couldn't hang out those
23:07days or
23:09he would only have select time to hang
23:12out or else he'd be on call.
23:16So, there were times you couldn't hang
23:17out because he would say
23:19What do you guys think Chandler was
23:21doing during those times that he lied to
23:22his girlfriend and said that he was on
23:24call or he had to do errands or he had
23:28to do this? What do y'all think he was
23:30doing?
23:31Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. Closest porn. That's you
23:35know, that's one That's thing, too.
23:37Probably playing video games. Probably
23:39This is a dude This is This is Grant
23:41Amato's little brother. Straight up.
23:43This is him. He was on call? Mhm. Crying
23:47in bed. How often would that come up in
23:48your relationship?
24:12I don't remember. Okay.
24:14But, it came up? It did. Okay.
24:17Did you ever see Chandler with any sort
24:19of scuba diving equipment, oxygen tanks,
24:22those flippers that people put on,
24:24anything like that?
24:27No. Dude.
24:30[sighs and gasps]
24:31Oh my
24:32god. Did you believe he worked at a Does
24:34dive team job back at that time?
24:37Yes. Okay.
24:39Um,
24:40at some points in the past year and a
24:43half or so, did did Chandler get a job
24:45uh with American Family Insurance? Yes.
24:48And um,
24:50what did Chandler tell you about that or
24:51what did you know about what he was
24:52doing?
24:55Um,
24:56that it was an internship to help
24:59graduate through school
25:01and
25:03he'd be doing um,
25:05stuff with solar panels and laying up
25:08plans for companies going through
25:10American family and Dude, he was such a
25:13liar. So it was an internship, was it
25:15eventually a job or something else? Like
25:17where you got paid?
25:19A paid internship, I believe. Okay.
25:23Did he ever show you any of his work
25:24that he was working on?
25:27He showed me a plan on a whiteboard that
25:30he was drawing up.
25:31When you say a whiteboard, what do you
25:32mean by that?
25:34Like Dude, straight up, she trusted him.
25:38And he just kept lying. Like that's it.
25:40She just trusted him. Like she believed
25:42that this guy came from a great family,
25:44he had a great future ahead of him. She
25:46thought he was cute, thought he was
25:47nice. You know, he's got extracurricular
25:50things, he's going to college, he's got
25:52a job, he's dog sitting. She just
25:55thought this was the best guy ever.
25:58A whiteboard that you hang up in your
26:00home or see in school. Okay.
26:04And what was on that whiteboard that he
26:05was showing you, if you remember? Um,
26:09a building and where they wanted to
26:12place the solar panels and how it was by
26:16a highway so it would be a safety hazard
26:18for the direction they want to point it
26:20in because of the angle of the sun could
26:22be blinding the
26:24drivers.
26:25Yeah, he faked having a career in tech.
26:27seem excited about this project when he
26:29was talking to you about it? Yes.
26:31By the way, chat, I know this part is a
26:33little bit slower. We'll probably end up
26:35cutting a lot of this out of the YouTube
26:36aspect of it, but I mean, I'm still
26:38curious. We got some closing statements
26:41um, from both sides that I definitely
26:44want to watch, but I want to see a
26:45little bit more of this and then we'll
26:46watch
26:48Oh, maybe we should skip ahead to part
26:50two.
26:52Okay. We'll see. Hold on.
26:53Um did Chandler have any
26:56Trying to condense 4 and 1/2 hours of
26:58content down to like 2 hours tops. pay
27:01to American Family Insurance and getting
27:02his paychecks? Yes. Tell me what you
27:04know about that from Chandler.
27:07Um
27:09that
27:11uh there was something
27:12Hold on. I just saw text messages in the
27:14other one. I'm closing this one down. Uh
27:16I think they're just going to keep lying
27:17for a little bit.
27:19I think I think he's just Oh.
27:21Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh.
27:23Chazzle dazzle?
27:26That was not his username.
27:28Would you leave me even if it doesn't
27:30work? Worded bad, but you understand.
27:32Okay, hold on. I need
27:35Pull up the text messages.
27:37Oh.
27:38Oh. Pull up Yep. Pull up There we go.
27:40There Hand over the text messages. Looks
27:42like they're handing over the text
27:43messages.
27:44[laughter]
27:46This is me getting ready to look at the
27:48text messages. He went to my Chazz in
27:50high school. Oh god, dude.
27:55Madison Wait, no, I want to watch. Hey,
27:57me too. And Nosy Bozy's back at it.
28:00my first and July 7th between you and
28:03Chandler?
28:04Correct. All right. I'll move 516 into
28:06evidence. Any objection?
28:08516 into evidence.
28:09to the text messages. Same ruling that
28:11it is received.
28:12[snorts]
28:12Maybe talk about
28:13Received them?
28:14Received them?
28:15tell us about Snapchat. I don't know
28:16what everyone's understanding is. Uh
28:17everyone's of different ages. Some
28:19people have a Snapchat, some people
28:20don't. Modern cases!
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28:44Snapchat is a social media app where you
28:47can send photos with titles or
28:50you can send messages through the chat
28:53part of the app. And what is one of the
28:55features of Snapchat that it's primarily
28:58known for that text messages maybe
29:00aren't?
29:03They aren't generally saved. They
29:05delete, right? Correct. Okay.
29:08Is there a way to manually save messages
29:11or photos on Snapchat? Yes. And is it
29:14easy or is it hard?
29:17I find it easy. What do you do? Okay.
29:19Okay. You hold down the text and you
29:22select save. That's like somebody asking
29:25me when I was 12, can you find anybody
29:28on Facebook and is it easy?
29:31I find it easy. I can find anything and
29:33anyone. Dude, I was one of those like
29:35yo, wait, one in the chat if you're like
29:37an internet person that can find
29:38anything on anyone at any given time.
29:42[laughter]
29:42Two in the chat if you just not really
29:44like that. I'm dude, I'm a hard I'm a
29:46hard one. I'm not friend that when
29:48somebody needs to find something like
29:50they reach out to me, okay? My best
29:52friend's like the same way. She like
29:54found her boyfriend's dad, all this
29:57crazy stuff. You look,
29:58we will find you.
30:01And if you save the message, if you're
30:05communicating right now with Snapchat
30:07with one of your friends and they send
30:08you a snap, if you click on it and look
30:11and do nothing, that message will
30:12delete, right?
30:15Sometimes. Okay.
30:17But if you you could manually save it,
30:19right? By putting your finger down and
30:20saving it. Correct. Or if you change the
30:23settings to delete within 24 hours.
30:25Right. Okay.
30:27Sometimes when you snap with Chandler,
30:29one or both of you would save the
30:32messages.
30:33Correct. And those messages are what
30:35we're looking at here, right? Correct.
30:37Okay.
30:40Okay.
30:44Would you say Snapchat is your primary
30:46form of communication with Chandler?
30:49One of them. Okay.
30:51[snorts]
30:51So,
30:54I'm going to display 516, and we'll
30:56start going through some things here in
30:58a second, but
30:59we talked about we left one photograph
31:01on just to prove that's you, right?
31:04Correct. Okay. And we'll redact the
31:06rest. If you have a common first and
31:08last name, it gets difficult to find
31:10info. Listen, let me tell you something.
31:12You guys know when you get those random
31:14emails that are like, "There's been a
31:16security breach. You should change your
31:18password, or your information has been
31:20leaked." But nothing ever happens, there
31:23are people that can go online and
31:24purchase those lists and get all of your
31:27information. [laughter]
31:28Like, it's really not that there there's
31:31so many different ways that people can
31:33find all of your information. It's
31:35actually pretty unreal. And just because
31:37nobody's bought it yet and hasn't
31:39entered your password, doesn't mean that
31:40your account's not compromised. People
31:42can find all of your [ __ ] online. And
31:45when
31:46for obvious reasons, we don't want
31:48everything coming out, but
31:52on
31:53July 1st
31:58of 2021 at 7:11
32:02um
32:04you get a message, right? From Chandler?
32:07Correct. What does it say? How did you
32:09sleep? And you say, "I slept good. How
32:12did you sleep?"
32:13And how did she respond?
32:15I hardly slept. Okay. Is this the day
32:18that Is this the day the murders Oh, I
32:19need to know. Chandler Guys, we need to
32:22be Chandler Halderson
32:25timeline. I think they were killed on
32:26the 6th of July.
32:30Okay, so events leading up to it. July
32:331st, this is the day Oh, so July 1st is
32:37the day that Chandler told his parents
32:38he last saw his parents, told me to help
32:41pack. Let's see, when is the actual
32:44He reported his parents missing on the
32:467th.
32:49But when was the actual murder complaint
32:52made?
32:54I'm walking away from the Wisconsin
32:56River. So I think he actually dude, I
32:58think he did it on the 1st.
33:03Wait, what? Somebody in chat already
33:04said it. Yo, Satura, thanks so much for
33:06the 10 gifted. I appreciate that.
33:08Listen, any and all gifts accepted
33:10today, I will take them all. Appreciate
33:12you.
33:13Uh I think it was the four It It seems
33:16like it might have been the 1st, guys.
33:19Um let's see though. We'll see. Let's
33:20see if we can figure it out from the
33:22text.
33:26He gives you kind of a emoji face.
33:29You say, "I'm sorry,
33:31why?"
33:32Can you read Chandler's message back to
33:33you
33:34[snorts]
33:35after you say, "Why?"
33:37I don't know. Stuff hasn't really been
33:40going well for me lately, so I'm trying
33:41to plan for the next thing to [ __ ] me
33:43over.
33:44Okay.
33:46That's what he said, huh?
33:49[snorts]
33:49Lexi, you got to watch this. This is
33:50wild, bro.
33:52Chandler sends another message
33:54and we'll try to get it in the right
33:56spot.
33:57And can you read that?
34:01Yeah, I just had a great future planned
34:03and it's falling apart.
34:05Okay. Dude, he says this I think Do
34:07Okay, one in the chat if you guys think
34:09that he's already killed his parents at
34:12this point where he says, "Yeah, I had a
34:13great future planned and it's falling
34:14apart." Two in the chat if you don't
34:16think that it's happened yet.
34:18I could be wrong, but to me it sounds
34:21like he did it and now he's victimizing
34:25himself about what's going to happen
34:27next even though he just did it. But
34:29let's Listen, I react here, okay? I
34:32tried to Google it a bit. We got a
34:33ballpark. Looks like he reported his
34:35parents missing on the 7th, but I'm not
34:36exactly sure what happened. Let's keep
34:38it going.
34:39And you say, "No, it's not. You're going
34:41to be okay." You're reassuring him.
34:44Right? Correct.
34:47Okay.
34:49You respond, "You're going to go to
34:51Florida."
34:53You even said it's probably probs just
34:55the the brace, probably.
34:56The brace. Oh, it's probably just the
34:59brace. Because if you guys forgot, after
35:02he lied to his parents and told them
35:04that he was going to Florida, oh, the
35:06next day he tripped and fell and he hurt
35:09himself so badly that he could barely
35:11walk. His arm was broken. His He had to
35:14wear a neck brace. He was was slightly
35:16paralyzed and now his dreams of going to
35:19this job were ruined. Well, that injury
35:20was all fake. So, even Cat talking about
35:24the brace is just not real. Probably
35:26just the brace, right? Correct.
35:29He says, "Thanks."
35:35You say, "Of course.
35:37I love you
35:38and I'm here to keep your booty in
35:39check." Correct.
35:42Now we're up to 7:55 in the morning.
35:45What did you say that?
35:47What does Chandler say back to you?
35:50There's a bit of a glare. Sure.
35:53Thank [snorts] you.
35:54Will you leave me even if it doesn't
35:56work? Worded bad, but you understand.
35:59Dude, he's
36:00He's spiraling. He's spiraling.
36:04Thanks, buddy.
36:07"I won't stop trying."
36:10Okay.
36:12Now, let's make this clear. They were
36:14not in cahoots about anything. Cat
36:16genuinely did not know any of this stuff
36:19was a lie. She trusted Chandler and she
36:22believed him and he spun an entire world
36:25of lies before murdering his parents.
36:31You say like Florida would be so dope
36:32and like nice, but I'm not dating you
36:34for money. I love you tons. Aw.
36:38Correct.
36:40What does he say? I love you a ton, too.
36:42By the way, I'm not giving up. I'm just
36:44worried.
36:44How long were they dating?
36:46She's so supportive.
36:49[snorts]
36:50Love, don't be worried, love. It'll work
36:53out."
36:54Correct. And he says, "Thank you, B."
36:58Why do they keep calling each other B?
36:59"Of course."
37:02Now we're up to 8:30. He says, "You
37:04helped me a ton."
37:07Right? Correct. Okay.
37:10[snorts]
37:10Um
37:12Other than these messages, these
37:13Snapchat
37:14Snapchat messages that morning, were you
37:16and Chandler communicating by phone or
37:18anything else around 7:30 and 8:30 in
37:20the morning on July 1st of 2021 that you
37:22remember? I don't remember. Okay. Um now
37:26that's a a weekday. And I think you said
37:28you were working that day. Correct.
37:29About what time do you go to work?
37:388:30 since I was working close.
37:41Okay.
37:42Um and if you had to work at 8:30, is
37:45that what time you would leave or what
37:46time you'd get there?
37:47I have to be clocked in by 8:30. Okay.
37:50Yeah, she had a real job, bro. What time
37:53would you have to leave where you're
37:54staying then to get to work by 8:30?
38:02Around
38:048:00, 8:10.
38:05[snorts]
38:08Okay.
38:09When you're at work, um I think we all
38:11maybe send an occasional message or two,
38:13but are you frequently on your phone a
38:14lot at work or only when you just have a
38:17second?
38:19When I have a minute. Okay. Do you have
38:21a busy job? I do. Okay.
38:29At some point that day you and Chandler
38:30switched back to texting as well, right?
38:32Brenky, that's what I was thinking, too.
38:34Like their conversations are like super
38:36duper shallow. She's like, "You helped
38:38me a ton. I love you a lot. Thanks, B."
38:41Like
38:42I would be I'm so clingy. I'd be texting
38:44my boyfriend back like, "Do you even
38:45like me?"
38:46[laughter]
38:54The mic was hot.
38:55[gasps]
38:57[laughter]
38:58Is anyone else like that? I would be
38:59like, "What
39:01Do you even like me?"
39:03What Why are you even here? Say more.
39:06[laughter]
39:06I'm sorry, guys.
39:08I'm sorry.
39:10Shh.
39:17Okay.
39:18You're good now.
39:20Okay, you're good now. Have fun.
39:24Correct. Okay, I'm showing what's been
39:25marked in this case as exhibit number
39:27515. Exhibit number five, more text
39:29messages. Load us up. Load them up. I'm
39:31just looking at a message. Can you tell
39:32me what date these messages are?
39:34July 1st, 2021. All right. And this
39:38appear to be a couple pages of message
39:39text messages between you two. Correct.
39:42All right. I'm going to file 515 into
39:43evidence. Any objection other than the
39:45standing objection? No. They are
39:47received.
39:49And they may be published.
39:54[snorts]
39:58I'm sorry, guys.
40:01Okay.
40:02All right. Maybe try one more light on,
40:04Judge. We'll see if we can't get this.
40:07Let's get one more light, Judge.
40:08Don't think that's worse than ever. Oh.
40:10It's worse. Okay. All right.
40:12[snorts]
40:12Can you see that cat or no?
40:14Correct. I can. Okay. Okay, read it to
40:16us, Cat.
40:17I'm going to try on my end to fix things
40:19up a little bit.
40:20Um
40:21starts with just you talking, and
40:23eventually
40:26there's a message from Chandler
40:28at on the 1st at 1:02 p.m.
40:31And I'll move it down so it's out of the
40:33light. But, can you tell me what that
40:34message says?
40:36Sorry, forgot to tell you, but Mom did
40:38okay you hanging out with us all
40:39weekend.
40:40Sorry, and I think I said Chandler, I
40:41meant you. Right.
40:43Did you send that message or did
40:44Chandler? I did. Okay. Your mom okayed
40:47you guys hanging out.
40:48Okay, okay.
40:48Correct. Was that at the farm and and
40:50things like that?
40:51Correct.
40:53Okay.
40:56Chandler responds, "Awesome."
41:00And
41:01what do you say back to him?
41:03Yeah, so convince your parents hard.
41:06And that was at
41:081:03
41:11on the 1st. What did you mean by that,
41:13"Convince your parents hard"?
41:14Okay. Whoa.
41:16That
41:17to convince his parents to let us hang
41:19out.
41:20That is an uncomfortable text to have to
41:22read in the middle of a murder trial.
41:25And it's like so crazy because the
41:27defense will really try to [ __ ] you
41:28here. Like, imagine the defense being
41:30like, "Yeah, she was in she was in on it
41:32the whole time." Like, that's what she
41:34meant by this text message. You know
41:36what I mean? That's like stressful for
41:37her to even have to read.
41:40Why would he need to convince his
41:41parents based on what you knew at the
41:43time what was going on?
41:45Um
41:46he wasn't able to hang out around that
41:48time.
41:49What? Yeah.
41:51And then at 1:03, just after that
41:56[snorts]
41:58Chandler sends you a message. What does
41:59that say?
42:00I overheard that they might go to the
42:02cabin with their friends, but IDK. Oh, I
42:05don't know if right now it's already
42:07happened.
42:08So, that was kind of following up on the
42:11possibility of the cabin from yesterday
42:13on the 30th. There it's kind of more
42:14conclusive.
42:16Correct. Okay.
42:19He's already killed them. Okay, I
42:21believe that. I believe that.
42:23What time did you get off work? What
42:24time you get off work, Jen?
42:25So, he literally murdered his parents,
42:27stayed up all night, and at 7:00 or 8:00
42:29in the morning, he's like texting Cat,
42:30victimizing himself, talking like asking
42:33her if she's going to be with him
42:34forever.
42:36earlier. What do If you know, what time
42:38did you get off that day? 5:00.
42:40People are crazy.
42:43[snorts]
42:48When you got home that day, do you
42:49remember what you did?
42:57I don't remember. Okay.
43:01Do you and Chandler FaceTime a lot?
43:03Yes. Kind of a weird question, but I
43:05have to ask. Did you sometimes FaceTime
43:07when you guys were showering? Yes. Okay.
43:10Okay. Um
43:13Sometimes you take screenshots of
43:14Chandler.
43:16Yes. You took a lot of screenshots on
43:18your phone, didn't you? Wait.
43:19Yes. Okay, wait. Hold on.
43:23What is she doing?
43:24cases.
43:25517, is that one of those screenshots?
43:28Yes. Did you take that that night?
43:31They're going to like
43:31Sometime after you got home from work or
43:33when you were FaceTiming with Chandler?
43:34Yes. Okay. We'll move 517 into evidence.
43:37Hold on, guys. They're admitting 517 in
43:38evidence. I need to screen this.
43:40No objection. It's not a nude
43:41photograph, too, I'll note for the
43:42record. Hey, dude. I would do that with
43:45my BF, too. I mean, [ __ ] I would do.
43:47I'd I'd be predatory, bro. I'd be
43:50talking to my boyfriend like, "Turn
43:51around, shorty."
43:52[laughter]
43:54But, we hate Chandler here.
43:57It's all right. It's It's above the the
43:59waist. Oh, I understood. It is received
44:02and maybe I'd tell that man do a spin,
44:04baby. kind of the FaceTime setup. Hold
44:07on. But, that's Chandler or at the
44:08Halderson home. Oh god. Dude, it is like
44:11a picture of him in the shower, but like
44:13hold on. him looking Okay, okay, okay. I
44:16needed to screen it real quick. So after
44:18you got home from work,
44:19while FaceTiming Yes.
44:21Dude, I'm not kidding. Y'all don't do
44:23that. I'm telling I'd tell that man,
44:24"Take do a spin. I'm trying to see that
44:27thing take flight." Okay. Stop.
44:30[laughter]
44:37Okay.
44:38[laughter]
44:41Everyone shut up.
44:48[snorts]
44:51[laughter]
44:55[cough]
44:58Stop.
44:59[laughter]
45:02Sometimes you take It's more evidence.
45:04[laughter]
45:07[snorts]
45:11When you got home that day, do you
45:12remember what you did?
45:16Guys.
45:21I don't remember.
45:22Thanks Xcode.
45:25You know what? I feel like I earned that
45:26one cuz I almost feel like I made him
45:27laugh. Hold on. I'm trying to Dude,
45:29guys, I'm trying to
45:33Trying to figure out where we left off.
45:34Hold on. I overheard they might be going
45:36to the ca- I think it's about here.
45:37Okay. So, basically the prosecutor said,
45:40"Did you guys screenshot photos of each
45:42other when you were in the shower?"
45:46Sometimes you take screenshots of
45:47Chandler.
45:49Yes. You took a lot of screenshots in
45:51your phone, didn't you?
45:52Yes. Okay. I'm showing you what's been
45:54marked in this case as
45:55517. Is that one of those screenshots?
45:58Yes. Dude, she like leaned away from
46:01that picture of Chandler. Oh my god.
46:04with Chandler. Yes. Okay. We'll move 517
46:06into evidence. Any objection? No
46:08objection. It's not a new photograph to
46:10I'll note for the court. I'm sorry? It's
46:12it's above the the waist. Oh,
46:14understood. It is received and may be
46:16published. And just briefly, that's kind
46:19of the FaceTime setup.
46:21That's Chandler.
46:23Yeah, she's disgusting.
46:25does that appear to be the shower at the
46:26Halderson home? Yes. Okay. They have a
46:29big shower. What's on there? Yes. Okay.
46:33And
46:34Chandler looking into his phone and you
46:35snapped the screenshot.
46:38Pardon? You snapped that screenshot.
46:39Yes. Okay.
46:41She didn't even know.
46:45[snorts]
46:46Did you have any plans to hang out with
46:47Chandler that night as far as you
46:48remember?
46:50Not that night. Okay. But you were
46:52communicating a lot. Correct. Okay.
46:59[snorts]
47:00Later that night, at some point, I judge
47:02if you could turn the lights on just
47:03briefly for the court of this. Okay.
47:08There were some additional messages.
47:10Um around 8:30 at night, Chandler sends
47:12you um
47:14a couple of messages. Could you just
47:16There's one with an emoji, but could you
47:17read out the two that have text?
47:19Uh baby, I need you. Baby, I need you.
47:22Yes. Did you know what that was in
47:24reference to?
47:27I don't recall.
47:28Okay.
47:30Um
47:30and
47:33later there's discussion of him looking
47:35at your Snapchat location and wondering
47:37where you were.
47:44Correct. Okay.
47:46[snorts]
47:47And I think I said 8:00, but it's a
47:48military time, so that would be 6:30
47:50after so.
47:51is this going? Which exhibit [snorts]
47:53were those in, counsel?
47:54Sure.
47:54I was referencing exhibit 516. Thank
47:57you.
47:58After
47:59so around 6:30 or so when Chandler sends
48:01you the message, "Baby, I need you."
48:03you guys know? Was this on the
48:05How many days are in June?
48:0730 days have No.
48:0930. 30. There are 30 days in June. Was
48:12this on June 30th?
48:13Before those text messages on the 1st?
48:16Um do you recall talking to him after
48:17that verbally on the phone?
48:20Thank you, chatters. It's 30 days.
48:30I I don't recall.
48:31Okay.
48:34Now,
48:35we talked just I think I mentioned
48:36something about Snapchat locations. Does
48:38another feature of Snapchat have
48:40anything to do with your location?
48:44Can you repeat that?
48:45Is there a location feature on Snapchat
48:46with your friends that you can look at
48:48their location? Yes, Mia. It's the
48:50Chandler Halderson case. We're watching
48:51a couple different things.
48:53certain friends to view your location or
48:56anyone who is on your friends list can
48:58view it.
48:59Um in your and Chandler's relationship,
49:03was that something you did with each
49:05other? Correct. All right. We got a lot
49:07of cat stuff. I'm ready cuz we still Do
49:09guys, we still have
49:11quite some time to see
49:13them rip Chandler a new butt hole. Okay.
49:16Let's investigate.
49:19[snorts]
49:20Wait, I'll keep playing this for a
49:21second.
49:21Um and was it reciprocal? Both of you
49:24did that? Correct. Um
49:27when this was going on during your
49:29relationship, was it your intention that
49:31anytime you'd open Snapchat, you in
49:33theory be able to see exactly where he
49:34was?
49:35Correct.
49:36And him the same for you? Correct. Okay.
49:40[snorts]
49:43Did Were you aware at all of what
49:44Chandler's plans were the night of the
49:461st when you were either FaceTiming
49:48while he was in the shower or any
49:49conversation? Did he talk at all about
49:51what he was doing that night.
49:55Thought he would be taking care of the
49:57I'm looking for the other brother. dogs
49:59and
50:00I was going to make dinner.
50:03[snorts]
50:03Did Did he mention or do you recall if
50:05he said anything about where his parents
50:07were?
50:08On that day? He said they were doing a
50:10grocery pickup. Okay.
50:14Yeah, I have a break.
50:16You may. Yes, you may.
50:18to take a break.
50:18Yes, you may cat.
50:20I try to do them every 90 minutes.
50:21I was pretty
50:21Yes, you may.
50:23All right. I kind of dude, I wanted to
50:26see this thing with the brother, but
50:27where did it go?
50:30We've seen some of his interrogation. I
50:32mean, no surprise guys, he's an idiot.
50:36Let me leave this up while I'm looking
50:37for a little of the uh going up there?
50:40Uh my belief through
50:44do it, right?
50:47Uh yeah, I suppose about
50:50Yeah.
50:51Wait, what is this?
50:53They are received. Oh my god, it's a
50:55Chandler Halderson [ __ ] phone call.
50:57How do I find all these things?
51:00[laughter]
51:01Okay.
51:03So, next let's listen to this little
51:05segment. It's coming from Detective
51:07Brian Shunk. I guess he took the phone
51:09call with Chandler or maybe he analyzed
51:11a little bit and there's some of his
51:13interrogation in here. If his
51:14interrogation isn't interesting, we'll
51:15cut it all out, but let's collect a
51:16little more information before we get to
51:18the closing statements.
51:20Move to publish 114.
51:23You may.
51:27Um little confused. Uh I got two squads
51:31parked
51:32Okay, so Chandler Halderson shows up on
51:34the 7th of July and basically or I think
51:37it was the 8th, something like that and
51:38reports his parents as missing even
51:40though he was the person clearly in
51:42fault. Um after this the police depart
51:46After this the police department starts
51:48to keep an eye on him as he's the prime
51:50suspect, but they don't really want to
51:51let him know he's the prime suspect. So,
51:53the call that we're about to listen to
51:55is when Chandler calls the police
51:56department being like, "Hey, any reason
51:58why these squad cars are outside of my
52:00house? Should I be worried? Am I a
52:02suspect?" And they're basically going to
52:03be like, "No, Chandler, what are you
52:05talking about?" Let's take a look.
52:08Let's take a look. You're going to put
52:10me on your TV? Hey girl, 2 hours down
52:12and another 10 to go. All right, I got
52:14Sorry. I keep talking over it. We're 2
52:16hours into the 10-hour the 12-hour
52:18stream, folks.
52:19114
52:20You may.
52:24Um
52:25I'm a little confused. I got two squads
52:29parked right outside my house. They're
52:31not really canvassing. They're just kind
52:33of sitting there.
52:35Is everything [snorts] all right?
52:37Yeah, I mean, they're in the area doing
52:38canvassing, and they're also
52:41probably doing a shift change right now
52:42getting our second shift crew on around
52:443:00, 3:30. Oh, there's four now.
52:48Yeah, Chandler.
52:52Something going on that we need to know?
52:55Well, they're probably doing reports.
52:56They're probably doing shift change.
52:59You know, they've been going around
53:00trying to get a hold of neighbors, so
53:02I'm wondering if they're
53:02No, he's so worried.
53:04area trying to catch people now that
53:05they're coming home from work. I'm not
53:07sure. I haven't talked to any of them in
53:09just a little while.
53:12All right. Well,
53:13any news?
53:15Uh no, brother. I haven't heard from
53:17him.
53:18No, as far as I know, they're still on
53:19their way up north. Couple hour drive,
53:21so he's probably halfway into it, right?
53:25Yo, Valic, thanks to the five gifted
53:28Lots of gifters today. Appreciate you
53:31guys. Damn. I might have to do some more
53:3412-hour stream hours. God damn.
53:36Uh yeah, I suppose about
53:38Yeah.
53:40Any news on your end at all? Have you
53:42gotten any phone calls, text messages?
53:44Gotten any messages other than from
53:46concerned parents.
53:48Um, I can't Yeah, cuz they're
53:50worried about you. A hold on my mail.
53:55They are a parent and you are their
53:56demographic.
53:58Okay. Uh, is that is that normal?
54:00I
54:01Are you guys getting any at least?
54:03No, we we don't put a hold on people's
54:05mail.
54:06I've never heard of that happening
54:07before. There's a hold on my mail.
54:09There's a ticket in there. All mail held
54:12at the station is what it says.
54:15Okay. Yeah, nothing done by us, that's
54:17for sure. Cuz I need my medical bills.
54:20Yeah. Isn't that okay? No, we wouldn't
54:22put a hold on people's mail and
54:23typically only the people that live at
54:25the address can do that.
54:27Yeah. Did your parents put a hold on the
54:29mail?
54:31Does it say who put the hold on the
54:32mail?
54:34I can go check, I suppose.
54:37Okay. Um
54:39Do you know of anything?
54:45Dude, Chandler is such a weenie.
54:49It's kind of stressful.
54:51Sorry, I So, there's nothing new going
54:53on? Not that I'm aware of. And like that
54:57level of entitlement that he thinks that
54:59like they're just going to share all of
55:02the information with him.
55:04You know, he knows he's
55:06He knows he did it. He knows he did it
55:08and it's like he just takes that piece
55:10out of his mind and it's like, "Well,
55:11maybe the cops will tell me what's going
55:13on because they were my parents." But
55:16I don't understand.
55:18I don't get it.
55:20I hate it.
55:22Yeah.
55:23Who who's there? Are you at home still
55:25right now? Obviously, cuz you're saying
55:26they're outside. Who's there with you?
55:29Yeah, no, not that I'm with you. They're
55:31just four squads, just parked outside.
55:34Okay. Who Who just talking in the
55:35background, Cat?
55:37Yeah, Cat's over with me. Oh, okay.
55:40Okay.
55:42And Cat believed he didn't kill his
55:44parents.
55:45Wait.
55:45I'll guess depending We need to go back
55:47to that day. Cat has more information.
55:50Sorry, guys. This is a whole ass
55:51storyline. I just We need to watch the
55:53Katherine Melder part two because I
55:55didn't know that she was over there
55:58after the police started coming to his
56:00[ __ ] house, bro. Okay, let's play a
56:02little bit more of this. And what time
56:03are you planning on going to dinner?
56:06Uh not sure, but Okay. pretty soon here.
56:10Is it cool to call you?
56:12What was that? Is it cool to call you
56:13while you're at dinner? Okay. Anytime.
56:16Okay.
56:17Yeah. You called me today. I hear
56:18anything. I mean, obviously with the
56:20mail that has nothing to do with us at
56:21all. I've never heard of a detective or
56:24law enforcement agency holding
56:25somebody's mail.
56:26Um
56:28you know, and then as far as everybody
56:29in the area, you know, you kind of had
56:31to figure we were going to be in the
56:32area all day today.
56:34Yeah, I was just wondering why there
56:36were four cars instead of
56:38the canvassing.
56:40Yeah. Um oh, any news about that that
56:43blue house with the big cameras?
56:45misdirect. Oh, he wants info on that.
56:47with the big cameras. Is that the one
56:49across the street?
56:51Yeah, across the street kind of in the
56:52corner. It's a newer house.
56:55Um I haven't talked to
56:56stopped by their house.
56:58Yeah, I have a detective that's getting
57:01footage from the area. I don't know
57:02exactly which houses he's gotten video
57:04from.
57:06But yeah, there's did downloaded all of
57:07it and already have it at IT. Okay. So,
57:11he's probably reviewing it now.
57:13Okay. Yeah, it takes time to go through
57:15those things. You figure you can only
57:16fast forward so much.
57:19Yeah.
57:20All right. Okay.
57:22All right. Well, I'll give you a holler
57:23if anything pops up. Um
57:26Dude, after this, do you guys want to
57:27watch I Survived? I'm just This is a fun
57:30now. Just cuz we You know what? We can
57:33do whatever we want today. We still have
57:34be like about another hour, hour and a
57:36half of Chandler Halderson. Maybe that's
57:38what we'll do next. You know, I'll give
57:40a call around and just kind of get a
57:41briefing from people up in the area.
57:44Yeah.
57:45Yeah, I appreciate that. Okay. Thanks,
57:47Chandler. Thank you. All right.
57:51Bye, baby. Thanks for the 10.
57:55Couple of questions. Solve one thing
57:57right away. This issue with the mail,
57:58what was that about?
58:00Uh Chandler told me that
58:03he received a ticket in the mailbox that
58:06the mail was being held.
58:09And did you later learn that that
58:10actually was true?
58:11I did. Yeah, law enforcement does not
58:14have the ability to hold somebody's
58:15mail.
58:16So, I didn't know exactly what was going
58:18on there. Throughout the investigation,
58:20we did learn that the Windsor Post
58:22Office had heard of the, you know, the
58:25missing people, Bart and Krista
58:27Halderson, and put a hold on the mail
58:30for them at that point. Oh my god. We
58:32told you guys it had nothing to do with
58:33us. Oh my god.
58:35That's actually really That's It's not
58:38funny. But, that's like He thought it
58:40was the police, but it was the like, you
58:42know, it was the US Postal Service that
58:44was basically like, "Oh, they're
58:46missing. Well, let's hold on to all
58:48their You never know if there's checks
58:49or, you know, people could just be
58:50breaking into their mailbox." That's so
58:53nice.
58:54"I'll suck your toes if you gift me a
58:56sub." Ashlyn, I have to ban you from for
58:5910 minutes. You cannot come into my
59:01channel and then offer sexual favors in
59:05exchange for a subscription to the
59:07channel.
59:09That is That you can't do that. You You
59:12can't. Goodbye.
59:14Goodbye. Now, if you want to just come
59:17in here and be respectful, crack a few
59:19jokes like everybody else. You can't be
59:20in here sucking nobody's toes.
59:23For $5, you cannot do that.
59:27I want you to be your best self.
59:29Um there were parts of that conversation
59:31where Mr. Halderson asked about
59:34um increased police presence or whether
59:35something new had
59:36I'll gently blow in your ear first. Oh,
59:37that's sexual, too. No sexual favors
59:40today, okay? Not today. We're just
59:43trying to watch the stream and hold
59:45hands. People wouldn't gift and sub
59:47anyways. So, if you just sit there and
59:49you wait patiently, you ain't got to
59:51suck nobody's toes. I don't know why
59:52people be coming out the gate like this,
59:54just ready to suck on some toes.
59:56Just chill.
59:58Respectfully.
1:00:00Thank you.
1:00:02Be I I don't even think you want the
1:00:03sub. I think you just woke up this
1:00:05morning like
1:00:06[laughter]
1:00:13Okay. Can we watch the case? I'm making
1:00:15myself laugh today.
1:00:17[laughter]
1:00:19Oh, man. Okay, I don't know who runs
1:00:21Bo's sub, but they're eating today, bro.
1:00:23happened in the case. At that point,
1:00:25something new had happened in the case,
1:00:26right? Correct. Um why would Why did you
1:00:28not tell him that? And why did you
1:00:30answer the questions in the way you did?
1:00:33So, at that point, uh keep in mind we
1:00:35had just received the information that a
1:00:38torso was located in the area that
1:00:39Chandler was at at the farm.
1:00:42Um
1:00:42so, in the command post, we're trying to
1:00:44arrange
1:00:47a lot of different things. A lot's going
1:00:48on. We're trying to, you know, control
1:00:50that crime scene out there. We're trying
1:00:52to get our crime scene investigators
1:00:53back to the area. Um I'm trying to get
1:00:56detectives out in the area of the Oak
1:00:58Springs home. Okay.
1:01:00Now, take me to the interrogation. I
1:01:02skip around I skip around so much, but
1:01:03it's for your own good. Yo, Argo, thank
1:01:05you for that. Baby spinach appreciates
1:01:07y'all.
1:01:09Look at Look at me. Look at me. You
1:01:11don't need
1:01:13You don't need Adderall when you're
1:01:14here. I'll keep your attention. We'll
1:01:16just keep skipping around until I'm
1:01:18interested.
1:01:20And also, it is a murder trial. I'm not
1:01:22saying parts of this are not
1:01:24interesting. It's just very, very long.
1:01:26So, we're trying to get to the things
1:01:27where we're going to get the most
1:01:28information, okay?
1:01:31friends.
1:01:33All right. Let's let's turn on a little
1:01:34bit of his interrogation. Oh.
1:01:36This is This guy is like one of the most
1:01:38lackluster people I've just ever
1:01:39encountered in my whole life. But about
1:01:43uh
1:01:43your parents going missing, right?
1:01:44Krista and Bart.
1:01:46Um
1:01:48before we get started, it's just because
1:01:51you're up here, okay? So, I'm just going
1:01:53to read you your constitutional rights,
1:01:55okay? So, this is a Dane County issued
1:01:57card that they give us.
1:01:59Um so, I'll just read them to you right
1:02:00off the card, okay? Oh, weirdo.
1:02:03silent. Anything you say can and will be
1:02:05used against you in a court of law. You
1:02:07have the right to consult with a lawyer
1:02:08before questioning and to have a lawyer
1:02:10present with you during questioning. If
1:02:12you cannot afford to hire a lawyer, one
1:02:14will be appointed to represent you at
1:02:16public expense before or during any
1:02:18questioning if you so wish. Did you say
1:02:20yes, sir? Yeah. Uh July 7th
1:02:22to ask for the public expense before or
1:02:25during any questioning if you so wish.
1:02:27If you decide to answer questions now
1:02:29without a lawyer present, you have the
1:02:31right to stop the questioning and remain
1:02:32silent at any time you wish and the
1:02:34right to ask for and have a lawyer at
1:02:36any time you wish, including during the
1:02:38questioning. Okay. So, then the only two
1:02:40questions I asked were, "Do you
1:02:41understand
1:02:42Yeah. I understand and I am willing to
1:02:44make a statement. Okay. Perfect. Okay.
1:02:48All right.
1:02:48going to Are you going to tell the
1:02:49truth? Like Like we already said, uh I
1:02:51talked to you yesterday. Um
1:02:54so, today is July 8th. Uh it's about
1:02:565:11 now. We started talking at 5:08. Um
1:03:00so, yesterday, uh July 7th, I
1:03:02came to your house uh where you live
1:03:04with your parents, Bart and Krista
1:03:08um Helderson.
1:03:09And um
1:03:11the reason I was there is as you had
1:03:13gone to the Windsor Police Department
1:03:15and reported them missing, right?
1:03:17Yes. Okay.
1:03:18Um I wouldn't think it would be the
1:03:19department. I went to the like office
1:03:22break room.
1:03:23Mhm. That doesn't matter. In the same
1:03:24building?
1:03:26Yeah, yeah, I think it's mixed in with
1:03:28the city hall. Your parents were
1:03:30missing, so you went to the break room?
1:03:33You walked into the break room at the
1:03:34police department and said, "Excuse me,
1:03:36officer, can you please help me find my
1:03:37parents? They've been missing for a
1:03:38couple days." after you finished eating
1:03:40your lunch? Is that what he did? He went
1:03:43into the break room? Okay.
1:03:45But nonetheless, a detective he came and
1:03:47and spoke to you. Okay. Um
1:03:51So, you reported your parents missing
1:03:53and you got some information from me
1:03:54yesterday.
1:03:56Um we've been following leads last
1:03:58night. Um working today to, you know, go
1:04:00through different things. Um just trying
1:04:02to locate them, right? Um
1:04:05So, I I guess if you want to start with
1:04:10let's just go back to
1:04:12to last Wednesday.
1:04:14Um Wednesday.
1:04:16I was with my dad.
1:04:19We
1:04:19Okay, that's what I was looking for.
1:04:21Somebody said that he made a statement.
1:04:22Okay, guys, I'm going to skip the
1:04:24interrogation footage because honestly,
1:04:26we've seen some of it in that chapter
1:04:27and Mike didn't pull out that much. So,
1:04:29I'm just going to like this this this
1:04:32man is the most like
1:04:35wet napkin like like thing I've ever
1:04:38like he just his text messages to Kat
1:04:41were bland, his lies were bland. Like if
1:04:44you're going to lie this much, like make
1:04:45yourself [ __ ] cool or something. And
1:04:47then his interrogation is just so
1:04:50I don't know. I mean
1:04:54I need some justice.
1:04:56That is what is required of me. Okay.
1:04:59I think in the other sections of
1:05:00evidence with detective testimony. Okay,
1:05:03so we are skipping Okay, guys.
1:05:07Chat.
1:05:11I'm going to play some lo-fi and run an
1:05:12ad really quick. I've got to just scrub
1:05:14these for blood real quick. Just doing a
1:05:17little blood scrub and then we're going
1:05:19to watch these these closing statements
1:05:21because
1:05:23there is a picture somewhere online of
1:05:25Bart Halderson's torso.
1:05:28So, we need to
1:05:31Just give me a minute.
1:05:49Okay, cuties. Are we ready? Sorry,
1:05:51that's my aunty energy. Oh, by the way,
1:05:54I I'm very excited. Wait, is it next
1:05:57Tuesday? On
1:05:58[music]
1:05:58not tomorrow, but the following Tuesday
1:06:00coming up, I'm going out to go meet my
1:06:03nephew, my Well, it's like my
1:06:05step-sister's kid. But even though she's
1:06:08not my blood sister, this is still my
1:06:10nephew and I'm very, very excited
1:06:11because I always wanted to be aunty and
1:06:14so I'm going out and I'm helping my
1:06:15sister move and I took care of like my
1:06:17parents' hotels and stuff like that cuz
1:06:18we ain't got a whole lot of money, but I
1:06:20do YouTube stuff now. So, I'm very, very
1:06:22excited to go take care of my nephew and
1:06:23take care of my family and have a nice
1:06:25couple of days. But don't worry, we
1:06:26won't be missing stream. I was just
1:06:28telling [music] you guys cuz I'm very
1:06:29excited. Okay.
1:06:30Yes. Yes, my aunty energy I can't Dude,
1:06:34I cannot wait. Like I'm picking out all
1:06:37of my aunty outfit I need to go aunty
1:06:39shopping tomorrow. I'm going to be in
1:06:40San I'm in San Antonio. I'm going to be
1:06:42there with like my little hat on and my
1:06:43little glasses and I'll be like, "Give
1:06:45me the baby." I can't wait. I can't
1:06:47wait. Okay.
1:06:51All right, are we ready?
1:06:53Great.
1:06:55Excellent. Fantastic.
1:06:57Wonderful.
1:07:01Dude, I need somebody to make TikToks
1:07:03for me from live [music] stream clips. I
1:07:05feel like we always have so many dumb
1:07:06moments, but I don't know how to make
1:07:08those. So, if anyone wants to make
1:07:09those, you should DM me on [music]
1:07:10Twitter.
1:07:11Okay.
1:07:13Let's hop into this.
1:07:16Wait, is this the right one?
1:07:18The prosecution
1:07:21closing argument.
1:07:24Woo!
1:07:27Little Chandler Halderson part two.
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1:08:01uh
1:08:02freak out.
1:08:05Um, so for you guys that are not super
1:08:07familiar with this process, basically
1:08:10we're getting to the we're getting to
1:08:12the end now where they've done they've
1:08:14give the Sorry. The prosecution has
1:08:16presented all of the evidence that they
1:08:18have had that they have. The defense
1:08:19team has tried to refute as much
1:08:21evidence as the prosecution has. We're
1:08:22going to go into watching the final
1:08:23statements. If you watched the previous
1:08:25YouTube video, you're probably kind of
1:08:27up to date on all of this. Um, but this
1:08:29is kind of what wraps everything up. So,
1:08:31this is going to be pretty long. We're
1:08:32going to be watching the closing
1:08:33statements from both sides, which are
1:08:35about 30 minutes, as well as the
1:08:37sentencing where somebody said that
1:08:38Chandler Halderson actually speaks.
1:08:41We've seen him speak. It hasn't been
1:08:43that interesting, but we'll see what
1:08:45happens.
1:08:46Um, just a heads-up, guys, this one is
1:08:49about to detail a lot of evidence. It's
1:08:53about to Dude, we thought that the
1:08:55evidence in the first one was real. Nah,
1:08:59dude, every frame of this is just them
1:09:03getting it and getting it good. Oh, oh,
1:09:06come on. Oh, come on. Give me the state.
1:09:10Give me the state.
1:09:13Give me the state. All right, let's go.
1:09:15So, please use your collective memories
1:09:17as jurors.
1:09:18Okay. To to determine what you heard and
1:09:20what you saw.
1:09:21Collective memories.
1:09:23Additionally, it should be the written
1:09:25law that the judge just read and that
1:09:27you will get a copy of that should
1:09:29determine how you process and think of
1:09:31the law. Okay. For years, I've listened
1:09:34to attorneys where prosecutors have
1:09:36basically belittled the burden of proof
1:09:39and where the defense has built it up to
1:09:41be something that could never be
1:09:42overcome or could only be overcome by
1:09:44video. Neither of those things are true.
1:09:46You should look at the written law and
1:09:48follow the written law.
1:09:51Now, this is the prosecution. Second
1:09:53thing I want to say is I want to
1:09:55apologize for all the graphic photos
1:09:58that you folks had to look at the last 3
1:10:00weeks.
1:10:01I'm sorry I had to show them to you.
1:10:04But we had to. They were crime they were
1:10:07part of a crime and because of the
1:10:10charges and what what we have to prove
1:10:12beyond a reasonable doubt, it was
1:10:14necessary for you to look at some of
1:10:16those photos. Okay.
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1:10:47and then you got lots and lots coming.
1:10:48Okay, I got y'all. You get at least 20
1:10:50hours of content. Also, look, everyone
1:10:53out here talking about this lady's
1:10:54nipples. Maybe y'all maybe she likes it,
1:10:58okay? Maybe she likes it. Bro, we we had
1:11:00a free the nipple movement a while ago.
1:11:02I think this lady doesn't give a [ __ ]
1:11:03It's not as cold in here. She knew what
1:11:05she wore today. Let the lady do what she
1:11:07wants, okay?
1:11:08Y'all y'all always out here talking
1:11:10about some it's a woman's body all that
1:11:12stuff and then you're going to say
1:11:13something about her nipples when they
1:11:14come up on the stream. All right now,
1:11:17let her do what she wants.
1:11:19Beyond a reasonable doubt, it was
1:11:20necessary to convict him of murder.
1:11:23[laughter]
1:11:24I will promise though today I will not
1:11:26be showing you any those anymore. There
1:11:28will be none of those photos in my
1:11:30closing.
1:11:34So every case that comes in
1:11:38is kind of like a puzzle.
1:11:40You have to look at it cuz obviously you
1:11:42weren't there.
1:11:43But you know, solving a case and
1:11:46thinking about whether or not a person
1:11:49is guilty or not guilty is like putting
1:11:51together a puzzle.
1:11:52And as your job is the jury to put that
1:11:55puzzle together.
1:11:57But the question in this case or why
1:11:59this case is kind of unique is
1:12:01the person who committed the crime had
1:12:03eight days to spread the pieces of that
1:12:06puzzle all over the state of Wisconsin.
1:12:09Or at least of Southern Wisconsin.
1:12:13Now, what are the pieces of those
1:12:14puzzle? Stop.
1:12:18Corrosion just says
1:12:20maybe it's a tactic. No, let the woman
1:12:23Fans, what is evidence? It's what you
1:12:25saw in this courtroom and what you heard
1:12:27in this courtroom, testimony. People
1:12:29sitting on the witness stand and telling
1:12:32you what they knew.
1:12:35Before we start off going through that
1:12:37evidence, I want to remind you of the
1:12:39background of the events before July 1st
1:12:42of 2021.
1:12:45In June of 2021,
1:12:47Bart and Krista Halderston
1:12:49um lived at 4595 Oak Springs Circle with
1:12:53their son Chandler Halderson. Okay.
1:12:56And at that time in June, they thought
1:12:59that their son had an internship with
1:13:00American family, although there was
1:13:02problems with the payment. He hadn't
1:13:04been been working there about 6-7
1:13:06months, hadn't been paid yet.
1:13:08They thought their son was attending
1:13:09MATC, that he had already earned a solar
1:13:12certificate there, and that he was
1:13:14enrolled in the IT program. I do have to
1:13:16say this, if she just repeats everything
1:13:18that we heard in the first opening
1:13:19statement, it sounds like there's a lot
1:13:21more evidence in this.
1:13:23I'd probably end up skipping over the
1:13:24defense, but let's let's just keep it
1:13:25going. Let's just keep going. We got
1:13:27We got 10 hours to kill, boys. program.
1:13:30And I didn't say that. Hold on.
1:13:34Well, let's start back over. Okay. solar
1:13:36certificate there, and that he was
1:13:38enrolled in the IT program, and was one
1:13:41class away from graduating.
1:13:45They also thought that he was going to
1:13:46soon be going to a job in Titusville,
1:13:49Florida, SpaceX.
1:13:52Now, things became became a little
1:13:55suspicious to the father, Bart
1:13:57Halderson, who's an accountant.
1:14:00He's wondering, why is a Fortune 500
1:14:02company not paying my son when he's
1:14:04working there? Right.
1:14:06And for over a year, he was talking to
1:14:09various people at Madison College or
1:14:11MATC about why he hadn't gotten his
1:14:14son's transcripts, why they couldn't get
1:14:17a meeting, why that he hadn't received
1:14:19his solar certificate. He'd been
1:14:20emailing with these three people, Aaron
1:14:23Hoover, Daniel Speith, and Alyssa
1:14:25Brandt.
1:14:26And been communicating with them.
1:14:29This all kind of comes to a crescendo or
1:14:30to a head the day before Bart is
1:14:33murdered.
1:14:35And on that day, he has a phone call
1:14:36with Omar Jobe.
1:14:38He starts off this phone call. He tells
1:14:40Omar that he's angry cuz he thinks this
1:14:42college has been giving him and his son
1:14:44the run-around for about a year.
1:14:47They're not doing their job. And so he's
1:14:49kind of aggressive at the beginning of
1:14:50this call. You don't really like him
1:14:52until you know the whole story.
1:14:55And he learns during this call that his
1:14:59son has never earned a solar
1:15:01certificate.
1:15:03That his son is not enrolled in the IT
1:15:05program.
1:15:07That his son owes the college over a
1:15:09thousand dollars.
1:15:11And that Alyssa Brant, Aaron Hoover, and
1:15:15Daniel Speith have never worked for
1:15:17Madison College.
1:15:22You we see
1:15:24and that is the background that lead us
1:15:27into the events of July 1st, 2021.
1:15:32Okay.
1:15:32day, the day is starting
1:15:34go. We saw these text messages in Cat's
1:15:36interrogation.
1:15:377:26 a.m. I hardly [clears throat]
1:15:39slept. Her testimony. 7:27 a.m. I don't
1:15:43know. Stuff really hasn't been going
1:15:45well for me lately. So I'm trying to
1:15:47plan for the next thing to [ __ ] me over.
1:15:52We know at 7:27 a.m. his mom leaves for
1:15:55work. She works customer service at
1:15:58Zimbrick.
1:16:00She heads to work.
1:16:02We then know at 7:51 a.m. Chandler
1:16:05messages his girlfriend. Yeah, I had a
1:16:07great future planned and it's falling
1:16:09apart.
1:16:11It's so annoying.
1:16:14Sorry, I'm chewing.
1:16:17It is so annoying to me that he
1:16:19victimizes himself here
1:16:21because the whole victimization is based
1:16:24around the fact that he had a great
1:16:25future planned and now something has
1:16:27gone wrong. But he never had a great
1:16:30future plan. None of it was true.
1:16:33None of it was true.
1:16:34Like this guy's this guy's crazy. This
1:16:37guy's crazy. Now what does he [snorts]
1:16:38know at this point? His dad has sent him
1:16:41we don't talk enough about crazy guys.
1:16:43We don't. I honestly don't know if that
1:16:46meant anything to Chandler or not. But
1:16:48things are coming to a crescendo. And
1:16:50what we do know
1:16:53is he texts his girlfriend at 1:04 p.m.
1:16:57I overheard that they may go to the
1:16:58cabin with their friends and I don't
1:17:00know. This is when it was already done.
1:17:03We also know that on Bart's work
1:17:06calendar, he has a meeting with Chandler
1:17:09in MATC.
1:17:12I don't know if Bart confronted him the
1:17:14night before.
1:17:16I don't know if Bart was going to see
1:17:17how long this ruse or how long
1:17:20Can we get a small recap? This is a
1:17:21really interesting case. You're actually
1:17:23getting the full recap right now because
1:17:25when the prosecution does their closing
1:17:26statements, they basically take all of
1:17:28the evidence that they presented over
1:17:30this, you know, several day trial and
1:17:32they condense it into about a good 30 to
1:17:3445 minutes. So, if you're just jumping
1:17:36into the stream now, we're only 6
1:17:37minutes into the closing statement here.
1:17:39We're going to get all of the
1:17:40information on this case. This is a case
1:17:43of Chandler Halderson and why he killed
1:17:45his parents. We're all still trying to
1:17:47figure it out. elaborate this ruse was
1:17:49going to get. But this topic was going
1:17:52to be discussed
1:17:54and there would be a coming to terms.
1:18:01We know
1:18:02that at 2:10 p.m. Bart texts Chandler.
1:18:05Oh, no. So, they were still alive. He
1:18:07knew he was going to do it. He knew he
1:18:09was going to do it on the first, guys.
1:18:10He knew he was going to do it on the
1:18:12first. So, in that text, he hadn't
1:18:14killed his parents yet. He was getting
1:18:16ready to. And at 1:00, see this text was
1:18:19sent at 2:10 p.m. At 1:00, he went ahead
1:18:22and texted Kat, "I think my parents said
1:18:24that they're going to the cabin." He had
1:18:26been mustering up the courage to
1:18:28basically murder his parents all day.
1:18:30All day. That's what was happening. It
1:18:32happened some point on the first. And I
1:18:34think this is also why he said that he
1:18:36couldn't hang out that day to cat.
1:18:40What happened next?
1:18:42No, I don't want to be on jury duty.
1:18:44Well,
1:18:45we have to look at the evidence.
1:18:48There's a spent shell casing in the
1:18:49basement of the home.
1:18:52There's a bullet fragment.
1:18:55Noticeable
1:18:57Oops.
1:18:58My gosh, it shot up. Noticeable
1:19:01reddish-brown staining also test
1:19:03positive for Bart's DNA.
1:19:06That's the bullet that went through and
1:19:08through Bart. Damn.
1:19:12The spent casing
1:19:15and that casing
1:19:17tested positive as being shot
1:19:21from the rifle that belonged to
1:19:23Chandler.
1:19:25We know that Chandler got this rifle
1:19:26about
1:19:282 weeks prior
1:19:31and it was found [snorts]
1:19:32in the barn on Irwin Road.
1:19:35We know that he got this rifle from his
1:19:37friend Smith.
1:19:38And he was given a bunch of ammo.
1:19:44We also see evidence in the basement of
1:19:46a divot from ricochet, a fresh divot.
1:19:52Also blood
1:19:55a quadrillion times more likely to be
1:19:57Bart than any other unknown person. Mhm.
1:20:00More blood.
1:20:03And we know that Chandler texts his mom
1:20:05this.
1:20:07Dad's phone died. Text or call me.
1:20:10Remember Dad's phone had
1:20:12Oh my
1:20:14god.
1:20:17Krista Halderson's last text messages to
1:20:21her son that murdered and decapitated or
1:20:26dis- you know, cut her up basically,
1:20:28dismembered her.
1:20:30Basically said, "Hope things are going
1:20:33well and thinking about you." Smiley
1:20:35face.
1:20:37And he
1:20:38looks like right before killing his dad,
1:20:41cuz his dad texted him at 2:10, he said,
1:20:44"Going well, thanks." Knowing that he
1:20:46was going to kill Krista. Krista, not
1:20:48knowing that she's about to be murdered,
1:20:50literally just sent a smiley face to her
1:20:52son.
1:20:54And then, after he killed his dad, he
1:20:56texted his mother, who he was about to
1:20:59murder, and said, "Dad's phone died.
1:21:01Text or call me and get soda on your way
1:21:03home. I have an extra hour of work."
1:21:05That's how he talks to his mom. "Get
1:21:06soda on your way home." And his mom
1:21:09responds, says, "K, I can."
1:21:14These are the people he killed.
1:21:17These are the people he killed.
1:21:21I don't understand.
1:21:23I really I don't understand.
1:21:26I really don't
1:21:28Literally just texted her son to say,
1:21:29"Hope things are going well, thinking
1:21:31about you." Smile, smile, smile, smile,
1:21:34smile. "Mom, give me a soda."
1:21:36"Okay." Smile. That's who you murdered.
1:21:39You piece of [ __ ] charger right there
1:21:41on the desk.
1:21:43You can plug your phone in and within 10
1:21:45seconds send a text message.
1:21:48I think here there's a half truth.
1:21:51Dad's dead.
1:21:53Dad died.
1:21:56Oh, and get me soda on your way home. I
1:21:58have an extra hour of work.
1:22:00We know Chandler didn't have a job.
1:22:02He's stalling to get his mom to take
1:22:04more time.
1:22:05[snorts]
1:22:05"K, I can." she says, smiley face.
1:22:11We know that she returns to the house at
1:22:135:12 p.m.
1:22:17We also know that her blood
1:22:20is found in the basement as well.
1:22:22[sighs and gasps]
1:22:23And at 5:11 p.m.
1:22:25He makes a note. No. Don't tell me he
1:22:28makes a kill list. Do not tell me he
1:22:29makes a murder cleanup list. Don't tell
1:22:31me he made it. Don't tell me he made it.
1:22:32At 5:11 p.m., possibly 3 hours after the
1:22:35murders. No, 2 hours.
1:22:37starts writing the following note.
1:22:39Weekend chores.
1:22:41H2O2
1:22:42Oh my god, it is. So, that's hydrogen
1:22:43peroxide, which cleans up blood.
1:22:46And lemon, which is a deodorizer.
1:22:49Door handles.
1:22:52Move your [ __ ] upstairs.
1:22:53Oh, into his parents' room.
1:22:54Get a job. Interesting. If he would have
1:22:56just gotten a job, he wouldn't have had
1:22:58to do the prior three.
1:22:59Yeah, actually, yes.
1:23:01And clean the floor.
1:23:05That came back in the search warrant for
1:23:07his Google account.
1:23:10We also know at 7:49 p.m., he's in the
1:23:13shower FaceTiming his girlfriend. After
1:23:15he did it.
1:23:17He then departs at 8:16 that night for
1:23:20QuikTrip.
1:23:22We see him there at the QuikTrip.
1:23:24There's the Volvo. There he is.
1:23:30How do they have more evidence?
1:23:33How is there even more evidence in the
1:23:37Chandler Halderson trial? I don't
1:23:40understand.
1:23:41Like, in the first video, we were like,
1:23:43there's no way. There is no possible
1:23:46way. This can't be happening. And here
1:23:49he is.
1:23:50Here he is, everybody.
1:23:52Here he is.
1:23:55Oh my god, that was a jump scare. He
1:23:57buys 20 lbs of ice.
1:24:00He arrives back home at 8:29 p.m.
1:24:06Then we know that somewhere between 8:30
1:24:08and 9:30, the neighbor, Steve Griber,
1:24:12smells a weird burning.
1:24:13Attempts to burn his parents' bodies.
1:24:16like a pig roast.
1:24:19And you heard testimony from fire
1:24:21inspector Bill Boswell that
1:24:23unfortunately in his line of work he's
1:24:25come across many burned bodies, human
1:24:28bodies, and that they do in fact smell
1:24:30like a pig roast.
1:24:36Moving on to Friday, July 2nd.
1:24:41We know throughout that night, and
1:24:42there's I'm not re-showing this video,
1:24:45and but there's hours of this video. We
1:24:47know that we see burning in the
1:24:49fireplace and the garage light go on and
1:24:52off.
1:24:52Oh my god.
1:24:54All throughout the night. There it is,
1:24:56almost 3:00 a.m.
1:24:58Until at one point it kind of
1:24:59crescendoes and dies down.
1:25:02We also know looking at the living room
1:25:04of the Halderson home that right there
1:25:06by the fireplace
1:25:08is a measuring tape.
1:25:10Folks, he measured the parts of the body
1:25:13to see if they were small enough to fit
1:25:15into the fireplace.
1:25:18And a fan add oxygen
1:25:20to that fire, make it burn a little bit
1:25:22hotter.
1:25:24He tried to burn his parents in the
1:25:26fireplace of the home that they
1:25:28purchased.
1:25:31We know that it burned hot enough that
1:25:33it damaged the fireplace. The door
1:25:35shattered.
1:25:37And the paint is visibly peeling and
1:25:39bubbling.
1:25:40Yeah, because of body fat, dude.
1:25:42there's blood evidence.
1:25:46Evidence of clean-up from the Luminol
1:25:48photos
1:25:49as well as droplets of blood.
1:25:55Dude.
1:25:57One in the chat if you would have just
1:25:59found a job. I mean that. I mean like
1:26:01seriously.
1:26:02I mean sometimes look at these cases and
1:26:05look at these people, and I know some of
1:26:06you guys beat yourself up a lot all the
1:26:08time.
1:26:09Um
1:26:10if you were if you were not this big of
1:26:12a piece of [ __ ] come on, dude. Come on.
1:26:15If you would have just gotten up and got
1:26:17a job, you are not half as much of a
1:26:19piece of [ __ ] as this guy. Please be
1:26:20nice to yourself today, okay?
1:26:23Jesus. know that that blood test that
1:26:27those stains test positive for blood
1:26:30and that they test positive for Bart and
1:26:33Krista's DNA.
1:26:36There is also some DNA from Chandler. He
1:26:38did cut his foot. We're not disputing
1:26:40that. But he cut his foot in the process
1:26:43of dismembering and blowing and burning
1:26:46his parents, not from playing ball with
1:26:48the dogs.
1:26:52More blood. That's also dad.
1:26:58And of course, on top of this fireplace
1:27:00that then is made to look all pristine
1:27:03with papers that
1:27:05date to June 23rd, not in the not in the
1:27:08winter from when you would have last
1:27:10actually had a real fire, but from June
1:27:1223rd,
1:27:14there's a piece of skull.
1:27:17And so Dr. Christina Christina
1:27:19Figueroa-Sotelo gets involved in this
1:27:21case.
1:27:22And she finds bones. She finds lots of
1:27:25bones. They go into this ash trap. I'd
1:27:27never even heard of an ash trap before.
1:27:28Clearly neither had Mr. Halderson.
1:27:32But they find a total of 230 bone
1:27:34fragments.
1:27:36She's able to say 106 of them were
1:27:39substantial enough that she's able to
1:27:41say what they were, that they were human
1:27:43and what parts of the body they're from.
1:27:4553 from the skull or cranium,
1:27:4918 from the hands. Sorry, hold on. I
1:27:52missed that. I see you guys popping off
1:27:54right now. Smooth's texting me about
1:27:55this moving thing. One second.
1:27:58And so Dr. Christina Christina
1:28:01Figueroa-Sotelo gets involved in this
1:28:03case.
1:28:04And she finds bones. She finds lots of
1:28:07bones. They go into this ash trap. I'd
1:28:09never even heard of an ash trap before.
1:28:10Clearly neither had Mr. Halderson. Oh my
1:28:13god. But they find a total of 230 bone
1:28:16fragments. What the She's able to say
1:28:20106 of them were substantial enough that
1:28:22she's able to say what they were, that
1:28:24they were human and what parts of the
1:28:26body they're from.
1:28:2753 from the skull or cranium.
1:28:3118 from the hands. No, this is
1:28:34prosecution, guys.
1:28:34124
1:28:35teeth.
1:28:37Wow. Eight vertebrae. It is It's crazy
1:28:40how much they had to do to incriminate
1:28:42Chandler here, but if any of us were on
1:28:44the jury and we saw that in the
1:28:47fireplace, there was 106 identified
1:28:50human body parts and 124 unidentified
1:28:54bone fragments and they suspected that
1:28:57the person had tried to burn heads alive
1:28:59in the fireplace, this is enough
1:29:01information for me. This is enough. The
1:29:03amount of evidence against Chandler
1:29:05Halderson is
1:29:07like
1:29:08despicable. Cut the child in half and
1:29:10put him away, dude.
1:29:12Three long bones, either from arms or
1:29:14legs.
1:29:16[snorts]
1:29:19God, dude.
1:29:20evidence in the garage. How is that
1:29:22evidence going to fall on the side? They
1:29:23have blood staining on shoes.
1:29:26That blood staining test positive for
1:29:29both Bart and Krista and is identified
1:29:32as blood, not just touch DNA.
1:29:36More staining on the shoes, Bart.
1:29:40And in the shoes, they test the inside
1:29:42of the shoes as well to see whose shoes
1:29:44these belong to.
1:29:46They're Chandler's. They're his size,
1:29:47size 10 and 1/2.
1:29:49Oh, and he's wearing them right there.
1:29:52[laughter]
1:29:53[crying and screaming]
1:29:54Those are the shoes he wore.
1:29:58In the garage, there's a axe found.
1:30:03With blood on it. That is blood.
1:30:06It's positive for human blood It's all
1:30:08over the handle, dude.
1:30:09Positive for human blood on the head. Oh
1:30:11my god.
1:30:12of the axe is both Bart and Krista's
1:30:15DNA.
1:30:17On the helve is both Bart and Krista's
1:30:19DNA. And look at those numbers.
1:30:21Bart Halderson's DNA is I don't even
1:30:24Hold on. Okay, this would be a thousand,
1:30:28this would be a hundred thousand, this
1:30:30would be a million, this would be a
1:30:32billion, this would be a trillion.
1:30:35Is there a centillion?
1:30:38Is there a I don't understand. What is
1:30:41this number? Quadrillion?
1:30:43Quadrillion.
1:30:45That's the one. What's above a
1:30:46quadrillion?
1:30:48What is it?
1:30:50The
1:30:52So, the
1:30:55There is a quadrillion chance that this
1:30:59is Bart Halderson's DNA. I'm going to
1:31:02throw up.
1:31:05And ma'am, it sucks. It sucks that
1:31:09in court cases like this, we can't say
1:31:11definitively, yes, this is their blood.
1:31:14No, this is their blood. We have to say
1:31:16that it was a quintillion
1:31:19person Not even percent chance. A quint
1:31:22quintillion. It's his blood. I don't
1:31:25even know God, okay. All right.
1:31:28A quintillion A quadrillion times more
1:31:31likely to be those two than an unknown
1:31:33person.
1:31:35That's a thousand times the world's
1:31:36population.
1:31:39And on the handle, Bart and Krista's DNA
1:31:41as well.
1:31:46We know at 7:02 a.m. that morning.
1:31:50That's a Friday morning of a holiday
1:31:52weekend, okay? July 3rd, Friday morning.
1:31:56A 23-year-old at 7:02 a.m. gets up,
1:31:59[clears throat]
1:32:00drives to Fleet Farm.
1:32:03Again, wearing those shoes.
1:32:05He buys a tarp.
1:32:10There's that tarp, 6 by 8. That tarp was
1:32:12later found in a trash bin at the Errol
1:32:14Wind Road property out in the woods.
1:32:20I think that's the tarp with the body
1:32:21parts in it.
1:32:22at 7:31.
1:32:25And we see the following throughout the
1:32:27day. We see the following text messages
1:32:28between him and his girlfriend. William
1:32:31Sansom We're set for this. We just need
1:32:33ice.
1:32:35And now hydrogen peroxide cuz I stepped
1:32:37on glass.
1:32:38Uh Later, there's more talk whether she
1:32:40will come or not. But if your mom has an
1:32:43extra bottle, that'd be great. And a
1:32:44Swiffer Wet Jet.
1:32:45It sounds like you just killed somebody.
1:32:49Can you get me ice, hydrogen peroxide,
1:32:52and a Swiffer? It sounds like you just
1:32:55murdered somebody.
1:32:59Okay, I do kind of And there's more talk
1:33:02about whether or not Cat will be there
1:33:03and what time. And Chandler responds,
1:33:05"Okay, I do kind of need the Swiffer and
1:33:07the peroxide and stuff.
1:33:09Oh, and remember ice."
1:33:11Didn't he just buy 20
1:33:15If he made Cat bring the murder cleanup
1:33:19supplies, I'm going to cry for this
1:33:21girl. I And like because you guys saw
1:33:24her testimony, she would have no idea.
1:33:26She had no Like she'd been dating this
1:33:29guy for 2 years and he was a rescue
1:33:31diver. He worked for an insurance
1:33:33company.
1:33:34How could There's no way that this could
1:33:37be that. But dude, please don't tell me
1:33:38that she he got her to bring the stuff,
1:33:40bro.
1:33:4120 lb of ice less than 12 hours earlier?
1:33:45Please tell me he didn't she didn't
1:33:46bring
1:33:46needs more ice.
1:33:48What does he need that ice for?
1:33:52Well, the fireplace broke.
1:33:57We know there's a freezer. He bought
1:33:59lots of ice.
1:34:00And that freezer tested positive for
1:34:02human blood.
1:34:07Parts of his mom and his dad were put in
1:34:09that freezer.
1:34:12[snorts]
1:34:13We know that night on the 2nd when a
1:34:14Krista's co-worker, Daniel Coininger,
1:34:17came to the house. He had heard that day
1:34:19that Krista no called and no showed for
1:34:21work. And that is not the Krista he
1:34:23knew. She had worked there
1:34:25Yeah.
1:34:26and had never done that before. Just not
1:34:27the type of person she was.
1:34:29I mean, of course I never met her, but
1:34:31she seems a little type A. Like she
1:34:32liked things to be in order, liked
1:34:34things to be a certain way, and was
1:34:35responsible.
1:34:37So, he comes over and Chandler begins to
1:34:40tell the tale of Yeah, they went up to
1:34:43the cabin. They left this morning with
1:34:45some mystery couple. You know, she
1:34:48probably just forgot to take off.
1:34:50Even though her boss testified that she
1:34:52would often take off a year in advance
1:34:54and get the dates right, and had dates
1:34:57planned out in the future.
1:34:59[snorts]
1:35:00But Daniel seems to be somewhat
1:35:02satisfied with that. Here's the problem.
1:35:05Krista's phone is responding to towers
1:35:08in her house. Yeah, it's The call is
1:35:10coming from inside the house.
1:35:12There are cameras on every side of that
1:35:15house. We know when Krista went in and
1:35:17we never see her leave.
1:35:20This is not a who done it, folks.
1:35:23That house is surrounded by cameras. We
1:35:26know who came and left.
1:35:27We're still on Chandler Halderson. This
1:35:29is a long one.
1:35:32And we know that her phone was found in
1:35:36a shoe, hidden under a shelf, behind
1:35:38other shoes, wrapped in tin foil,
1:35:40wrapped in a paper towel.
1:35:43Look at this sweet, innocent woman. Look
1:35:47at this sweet baby. This sweet baby
1:35:50woman. This is the woman that was
1:35:52texting him and saying, "Okay, I'll get
1:35:54the soda, smiley face. Just thinking of
1:35:56you, smiley face." This was her. This
1:35:59was her.
1:36:05Dan leaves about 10 minutes later after
1:36:07talking with Chandler.
1:36:10And Kat arrives and spends the night.
1:36:14And they spend the night on this couch
1:36:15fort. You probably thought, "Why are
1:36:16they putting in evidence about that? Who
1:36:18cares where they slept?" This is why
1:36:20it's important.
1:36:21A normal bed, a queen-size, is about 5
1:36:24ft wide. Two people can sleep there
1:36:26really comfortably and for the most part
1:36:28not disturb one another unless you're a
1:36:30rather light sleeper.
1:36:32But Chandler has a problem.
1:36:34He has body [snorts] parts in the
1:36:35basement of his home in the freezer.
1:36:37Oh my god.
1:36:38gets a hankering for some ice cream and
1:36:40goes in there like she had before.
1:36:43He needs to be able to control her that
1:36:45night. He needs to be able to know if
1:36:47she wakes up and where she goes if she
1:36:49does.
1:36:51So he builds this, a thing that has
1:36:53walls where you really can't get in and
1:36:55out of it gracefully.
1:36:59It's his way to know where she's at.
1:37:02I'm not sure if his girlfriend realizes
1:37:04how lucky she actually is. Dude.
1:37:09Damn.
1:37:09Saturday, July 3rd, 2021.
1:37:15Kat leaves at 6:55 a.m. She has a job.
1:37:19And we know at 7:47 a.m. Chandler is
1:37:23once again up and leaving the house
1:37:26headed for Roxbury. How do we know that
1:37:28he's headed for Roxbury?
1:37:30His Snapchat shows him there.
1:37:32Kat kind of keeps track of Chandler's
1:37:34location and they snap each other all
1:37:36the time. She finds him there.
1:37:42His phone also puts him there.
1:37:46And he's
1:37:47quite close to where the remains were
1:37:49found.
1:37:50Jesus Christ. We also know that is an
1:37:52area he frequented. Nobody wants to see
1:37:55this. About a year before, standing
1:37:57there with a knife.
1:37:58guy.
1:38:00In that white tent in the back.
1:38:02what? Honestly, the real the real
1:38:04information is in his Discord logs.
1:38:07Let's be real.
1:38:09The like the real inner workings of like
1:38:12Chandler Halderson or excuse me, Chaz
1:38:14Chazzle Chazzle Chazzle Dazzle, the
1:38:17inner workings of that man are all over
1:38:19his Discord messages, for real. And I
1:38:21don't even think that police know yet to
1:38:23start looking at that [ __ ] Okay?
1:38:26Like they're still bro, they still out
1:38:28here checking through the phones. Pop
1:38:31open his computer and let's let's look
1:38:32at let's look at the Discord messages.
1:38:34ground. That's where they found mom's
1:38:36legs.
1:38:40Dr. Rogalska performed the autopsy of
1:38:42the legs.
1:38:44And there's only certain things she can
1:38:45tell us from the limited amount of human
1:38:48body remaining that she was able to do
1:38:51an autopsy of. She can say that Krista
1:38:53Halderson was dismembered postmortem, so
1:38:56after death.
1:38:59She also, looking at a totality of the
1:39:01circumstances,
1:39:03puts the cause of death as homicidal
1:39:04violence. Ladies and gentlemen, I cannot
1:39:07tell you if Krista was shot, strangled,
1:39:10[snorts]
1:39:11Wow.
1:39:11something else. Wow, and we'll never
1:39:13know.
1:39:14tell you
1:39:15Why is that? is we have five bullets
1:39:17missing from a magazine and we know that
1:39:20Bart Halderson was shot two or three
1:39:22times.
1:39:23So, there are two missing bullets, but I
1:39:24don't know if she was shot.
1:39:27What I do know is she entered the house
1:39:29and it was only Bart and Chandler there.
1:39:32No one else.
1:39:34[snorts]
1:39:34She died of homicidal violence.
1:39:40Manner of death, homicide. And those are
1:39:42legal documents that the the ME has to
1:39:45put these determinations on.
1:39:49We know that Chandler arrives back home
1:39:51at 9:31 a.m.
1:39:55Later that day, he goes to Dulce's house
1:39:59and we he returns at 3:07 p.m.
1:40:04And that night though, we know he leaves
1:40:06his house at 10:08 p.m. And we know he
1:40:10goes up to Portage along the Wisconsin
1:40:13River.
1:40:14From his house
1:40:16to Portage and back. He's up There was
1:40:18just too much violence to determine the
1:40:20cause of death. Yeah, that's well,
1:40:23that's possible. Mostly what it was was
1:40:25that the bodies were dismembered and
1:40:27then later he tried a couple different
1:40:29methods of basically getting rid of
1:40:31them. He tried to burn their heads in
1:40:33the fireplace and probably some other
1:40:35body parts as well. So like those parts
1:40:38were just significantly maimed. Like I
1:40:41don't think it was a stabbing or
1:40:42anything because you would have had to
1:40:44stab somebody like 20, 30, 40 times um
1:40:47in order to like murder them and that
1:40:49would have shown up somewhere. It it was
1:40:52probably a bullet like, you know, they
1:40:54found some bullet casings. He probably
1:40:56shot his parents in the back of the head
1:40:57or something like that. But after he
1:40:58tried to burn the heads, this is really
1:41:00grim. I'm this is my job to talk about
1:41:02this stuff. After he burned the heads,
1:41:04they couldn't really find any evidence
1:41:06of the bullet casing or to see like what
1:41:08it went through or anything. It's they
1:41:10just can't really tell. Um but them
1:41:12leaving that detail that it's extreme
1:41:14homicidal violence to the point that
1:41:15they can't even determine what the cause
1:41:17of death was. It just helps lend
1:41:19credence to the case though so that they
1:41:20can put them away.
1:41:21up in the Portage area from at least
1:41:2410:37 p.m. to 11:03 p.m.
1:41:32Portage is along the Wisconsin River. We
1:41:35tried to search that area. Wisconsin
1:41:37River
1:41:38has a very strong current. People drown
1:41:40there every year. We never find their
1:41:41bodies and their bodies are whole.
1:41:44Um, they attempted a dive. It was
1:41:46unsafe.
1:41:48Um, we didn't find any evidence there.
1:41:53But I think in the totality of the
1:41:54circumstances
1:41:57that wasn't a nighttime trip to go
1:41:59swimming.
1:42:04We know he returns at 11:30 p.m.
1:42:09And then we go on to July 4th.
1:42:11July 4th is actually the day
1:42:14that is the most eerie to me.
1:42:17Because it's like Chandler Halderson
1:42:18pushed pause on his crime and just lived
1:42:21a normal life for a day. Yeah, he just
1:42:23tried to freeze the bodies for a little
1:42:24bit.
1:42:26On July 4th, he spends the day with his
1:42:28girlfriend and his girlfriend's family.
1:42:31He goes to the farm, uses the pool, eats
1:42:33dinner there.
1:42:34That's what I wanted to Dude, I want to
1:42:36know his demeanor on that day. Do you
1:42:39guys hate if I go back to Kat's
1:42:41interview for a minute? Because I need
1:42:43to like see I need to see the part two
1:42:45of it. She needed to take a break.
1:42:47There's all that info about how was he
1:42:49acting the day of? Listen, this is my
1:42:50stream and this is where we're going.
1:42:52Um
1:42:54I know this Halderson stuff is really
1:42:56long, guys, but we're here.
1:43:00Okay. Trials.
1:43:04Halderson.
1:43:08Okay.
1:43:10All right.
1:43:12Kat part two.
1:43:18I just wanted all the text messages
1:43:20before, but let me see if I can find the
1:43:21spot where he starts talking about his
1:43:26One second.
1:43:32And then by the way, they've seen a
1:43:34Where you got
1:43:35Never mind, it's closed. Oh my god, I
1:43:38think this is Oh, [ __ ] Okay, we got to
1:43:40This It's about to be cat time, y'all.
1:43:43Is inside or Do they go inside at some
1:43:45point? Yes. And the the hydrogen
1:43:47peroxide?
1:43:48She brought it to him!
1:43:51[screaming]
1:43:53communication or was there like a phone
1:43:54call or anything like that or is this
1:43:56all you knew? Okay.
1:44:02I don't remember.
1:44:05This guy's a sociopath.
1:44:10Chandler doesn't take the stand, but
1:44:12apparently he makes statements in the
1:44:14clo- in the sentencing at the end of
1:44:15this. I still have a lot to go through
1:44:17with this Chandler video. And listen,
1:44:18this is probably going to end up on
1:44:19YouTube, but I have a feeling this [ __ ]
1:44:20is going to be like 3 and 1/2 hours,
1:44:22okay? But look, if you guys are just
1:44:24tuning in, if you're kind of like, "Oh,
1:44:26I've seen all the Halder stuff or, you
1:44:28know, whatever." Yeah, hey, look, watch
1:44:29it with me. I'm not giving you that
1:44:30excuse. But either way, we are streaming
1:44:32for 12 hours today. So, even if this is
1:44:34going on for another 2 or 3 hours, just
1:44:37pop back in. I'm sure we'll be on to
1:44:38another case if this isn't your cup of
1:44:40tea right now. All right, I've got
1:44:42y'all.
1:44:46You respond, more talk about groceries,
1:44:47I'll bring spicy cheese and pickled
1:44:49jalapenos.
1:44:51Yes. Okay.
1:44:53And
1:44:55Again, and I I apologize. No one likes
1:44:57to see their messages probably on a
1:44:58giant screen, but it just In general,
1:45:00you say, "And Jesus." You're kind of
1:45:01just making a joke that you'll bring
1:45:03Jesus with you.
1:45:05Yep. Okay.
1:45:07Um Did they try to Did the defense try
1:45:09to say cat was involved?
1:45:11yes, please.
1:45:13But then quickly follows up.
1:45:15Can you read that last message?
1:45:17But for real, if your mom has an extra
1:45:19bottle, that would be great. And a
1:45:21Swiffer wet jet. That's what Chandler
1:45:22said in the video.
1:45:23and were you Was it your belief that
1:45:25he's referring to hydrogen peroxide.
1:45:27Correct. Okay.
1:45:30You respond almost immediately, we have
1:45:32both.
1:45:33He says, "Thanks."
1:45:35And
1:45:36Thanks, babe. Thanks, babe.
1:45:40Um had Chandler ever asked you to bring
1:45:42hydrogen peroxide over before as far as
1:45:44you remember?
1:45:46Not that I remember. Okay.
1:45:50[snorts]
1:45:52Did you in fact bring him hydrogen
1:45:53peroxide?
1:45:55Yes.
1:45:56Um where'd you get it?
1:45:58From my mom's house.
1:45:59Took her bottle? Yes. Um and uh what
1:46:03about a Swiffer mop?
1:46:05From my mom's house. And you took that
1:46:06to Chandler's? Yes. I'm sure it's been
1:46:08marked in this case as exhibit number
1:46:09528.
1:46:12What is that?
1:46:14My mom's home.
1:46:16That's your mom's? Yes. And is that the
1:46:17Swiffer? Yes. Is that the one you took
1:46:19to Chandler's? Yes. All right. I'll move
1:46:21528 to evidence. Any objection?
1:46:23[snorts]
1:46:23No objection.
1:46:24received.
1:46:26It may be published. Dude, poor cat.
1:46:28Anything spectacular, but
1:46:31police eventually came over and asked
1:46:33where the Swiffer was and that's where
1:46:34it was and they took a picture, right?
1:46:36Yep. Okay.
1:46:38The bottle of hydrogen peroxide and the
1:46:40Swiffer go with you as you're kind of
1:46:41making your way from Target to Target to
1:46:43your mom's and then to Chandler's that
1:46:44night, right? Correct. Okay.
1:46:50When you get over to
1:46:52um Chandler's house, do you take the
1:46:54bags of groceries inside or do they go
1:46:56inside at some point? Yes. And the
1:46:58hydrogen peroxide? Yes. And the Swiffer?
1:47:01Yes. Um
1:47:03when you first go in the house that day,
1:47:05um
1:47:06did you notice anything off?
1:47:10There was a smoky smell. Okay. Oh, no,
1:47:12the fireplace.
1:47:15Did Chandler tell you more about Did he
1:47:17explain why there was a smoky smell?
1:47:20Because he was um playing catch with
1:47:22Rizzo in the house and the glass
1:47:25shattered in the fireplace.
1:47:27And
1:47:29so the smell got into the home. Rizzo is
1:47:31a dog? Oh my god.
1:47:34How did he explain
1:47:34And then Chandler positions himself as
1:47:36this nice, sweet, innocent, oh I was
1:47:40just playing catch with the dog and
1:47:42accidentally threw it too hard on the
1:47:44fireplace and shattered the glass when
1:47:47the reality of why the glass is
1:47:48shattered is
1:47:50probably the most sinister thing that it
1:47:52could possibly be.
1:47:55Dude. Did he say the glass broke with
1:47:57the dog? He was throwing the ball in the
1:47:59house. Okay.
1:48:01Did you look into that any further? Did
1:48:03you go over to that fireplace and poke
1:48:04around?
1:48:06No. Was there in fact a glass panel
1:48:08broken on it?
1:48:10Yes. Okay.
1:48:12Alex. [laughter]
1:48:15You stayed the night there that night,
1:48:16that night, right? Correct.
1:48:17Where did you all sleep? She had no
1:48:19idea. On the couches pushed together.
1:48:22And where were those in the house?
1:48:25In the lower living room by the
1:48:27fireplace.
1:48:29Around this time Chandler had a bedroom,
1:48:31right? Yes. Had a bed? Why weren't they
1:48:34upstairs? Did he explain to you why you
1:48:35were sleeping in a kind of like a fort
1:48:37in the living room?
1:48:39To be with the dogs and watch TV on the
1:48:42bigger screen. Had you ever done that
1:48:44before in staying at Chandler's house?
1:48:46No. Yeah, in your experience.
1:48:49At the time did it strike you as odd?
1:48:51eerie for her in retrospect.
1:48:55They slept downstairs near the fireplace
1:48:58where he had just tried to burn their
1:48:59heads earlier.
1:49:02Like
1:49:04That room you slept in in kind of the
1:49:07couch fort pushed together. The jury's
1:49:08seen it by the way, they've seen
1:49:10photographs and video. Um
1:49:12that was in the same room as the
1:49:13fireplace that had the broken panel,
1:49:14right? Yes. It was near the bathroom as
1:49:17well, right? Objection.
1:49:19Was it near the bathroom?
1:49:21You may answer that question. The
1:49:23objection
1:49:24The question was rephrased in light of
1:49:26the objection.
1:49:28Can you repeat it, please? Was it near
1:49:29the bathroom where you were sleeping?
1:49:31Yes. Okay.
1:49:35That night
1:49:37Dude.
1:49:40I would never check out of therapy.
1:49:41anything unique or special about
1:49:43sleeping or was it kind of a normal
1:49:44night other than the fourth?
1:49:50The girls, the dogs, Rizzo and Izzy were
1:49:53wide awake because of the fireworks.
1:50:02Is there a TV in that room? Yes. Were
1:50:04you watching TV as you went to sleep?
1:50:06Yes. Do you have any Do you know whether
1:50:10Chandler slept at all that night or do
1:50:12you not know?
1:50:15I don't know. Okay.
1:50:21She was knocked out. He was up all
1:50:23night.
1:50:24While you were with Chandler that night,
1:50:25did he say anything about where his
1:50:26parents were?
1:50:27Okay. So, this is where we're getting to
1:50:30some of the really interesting
1:50:32nitty-gritty information that we don't
1:50:34really get in the prosecution's opening
1:50:35or closing statements.
1:50:38These are all Cat's exact words of what
1:50:41like what happened and what Chandler's
1:50:43behavior was like the day after the
1:50:46murder and all the days after. So, if
1:50:49you guys remember, this murder happened
1:50:51on July 1st at about 2:00 p.m. And now,
1:50:56it seems like it's about July 2nd or
1:50:58July 3rd where he has asked his
1:51:00girlfriend to bring over the cleaning
1:51:01supplies to clean up the blood of his
1:51:03parents. And then he goes on to spend a
1:51:05regular old day with her on July 4th.
1:51:08But don't forget that Chandler doesn't
1:51:09report his parents missing to the police
1:51:11until the 8th. so I'm really curious
1:51:13what happens in those 6 days 6 or 7 days
1:51:16after the murder.
1:51:18Up north at their cabin.
1:51:23Had you ever been to the cabin before?
1:51:25No.
1:51:29What did you know about the cabin?
1:51:32Mrs. Halverson's father built it.
1:51:34[clears throat]
1:51:34Um
1:51:35there's a skull on the outside.
1:51:38It's by a lake.
1:51:41Um
1:51:42and they'd go up there often whether to
1:51:44change the window panes or
1:51:46do work on it.
1:51:49Um
1:51:51Now,
1:51:52you stayed there that night, stayed in
1:51:53the the couch fort thing in the
1:51:55fireplace room.
1:51:57Um the next day, did you um stay there
1:52:00or did you leave? I left. Um
1:52:03early?
1:52:04Very early. Okay.
1:52:06Um
1:52:07camera showed you leaving about 6:55,
1:52:09would that be about right? Yes. Okay.
1:52:12Dude, what this is essentially going to
1:52:13do to Kat is it it it's going to shatter
1:52:16her in a way that pretty much none of us
1:52:18will essentially ever experience. Like
1:52:23going through therapy and realizing that
1:52:25your partner like isn't who they say
1:52:27they are, you know what I mean? That's
1:52:29one thing, but this case, I feel like
1:52:33why it's going to hit Kat so hard is
1:52:36because it's almost like the revelation
1:52:38that society lied to me.
1:52:40A guy that looks like this and is on the
1:52:43dive and rescue team and is going to
1:52:46college and was raised by nice parents
1:52:50is a good guy. That is what society has
1:52:53sold to me. And there is no explanation
1:52:57for this. It's almost like she'll never
1:52:59really get closure for why this happened
1:53:02because we've been watching this trial
1:53:03for hours and we still don't understand
1:53:06either. It's very eerie.
1:53:09Um so I just don't I don't I have no
1:53:12idea what she's going through. Oh, he
1:53:13was lying about going to college,
1:53:15everything. Yeah, we still on Chandler.
1:53:17This long, bro. This is long.
1:53:21Wait, what was that?
1:53:23Um
1:53:25And that day
1:53:26um
1:53:29you and Chandler continued texting a
1:53:31little bit, right? Yes.
1:53:36[snorts]
1:53:47[snorts]
1:53:48And now I apologize. I just found one
1:53:50more set of messages I wanted to talk
1:53:51about from the night before. Just before
1:53:53you got to the house
1:53:55and you were doing the Target pickups.
1:53:56Exhibit 529, is that a series of
1:53:58messages
1:53:59Yes. These are the testimonies.
1:54:03Yes. All right, I'll move 529 into
1:54:05evidence. Any um objection other than
1:54:07the standing objection? No. They are
1:54:10received.
1:54:11My apologies for just going Sorry. This
1:54:13is a funny interaction. Plants baby
1:54:16said,
1:54:17"This is why we say all men." And then
1:54:20modern wing fair said, "We just watched
1:54:22a video about a woman that shot her
1:54:24three kids."
1:54:25[laughter]
1:54:26Dude, you guys are funny. So basically,
1:54:28everyone's really [ __ ] up, okay? Just
1:54:30some people are really, really, really,
1:54:32really, really [ __ ] up. This is why I
1:54:34This is why I get on y'all about like,
1:54:35why do we put these descriptors on
1:54:37things? Just say these people [ __ ]
1:54:38suck, bro.
1:54:40[laughter]
1:54:40I don't know, that was funny. That was
1:54:42funny. That was funny. Going backwards
1:54:43just a second, but before you got to
1:54:45Chandler's the night before
1:54:46uh with the groceries
1:54:50520, you tell him you're going to keep
1:54:52your clothes in your car.
1:54:54And Chandler
1:54:56again
1:54:58says something about peroxide. Can you
1:54:59read that message?
1:55:00This is at 5:00.
1:55:01Okay, I do kind of need the Swiffer and
1:55:03peroxide and stuff. Okay, so that's the
1:55:05third time that day he had texted you
1:55:07about peroxide
1:55:09to bring it, right?
1:55:10Bro, she had him in the phone as hubby.
1:55:20[snorts]
1:55:20So, the next day you wake up early
1:55:24and you leave before 7:00.
1:55:26And
1:55:27you said you were in communication with
1:55:29Chandler all day. I'll show you exhibit
1:55:30number 531.
1:55:33Is that a series of messages ending on
1:55:36the last one on the 2nd and then
1:55:37starting again on the 3rd?
1:55:41Yes. Okay.
1:55:43[snorts]
1:55:43I'm showing you what's marked as 530. Um
1:55:45just in general, what is that
1:55:46photograph?
1:55:49Chandler walking into
1:55:51Fleet Farm. You know that location?
1:55:55Yes. Okay.
1:55:56I'll move 531 and 530 into evidence. Any
1:55:59objection other than the standing
1:56:01objection? Um can we approach real
1:56:03quick? Sure.
1:56:06Okay. What were you Let's go ahead a
1:56:07little bit.
1:56:09Wait, what is that? Hold on, you know,
1:56:11he'd be showing her [ __ ] Hubby. And
1:56:13what time is that?
1:56:14Do
1:56:15or was?
1:56:17Yes. And did you become worried or
1:56:19concerned in some way? Okay.
1:56:22At some point that day
1:56:25after you left um
1:56:27did you notice that Chandler was in a
1:56:29Did you look at a Snapchat map to look
1:56:31at where it was? Oh my god. And did you
1:56:34become worried or concerned in some way?
1:56:36Yes. Showing you what's been marked as
1:56:38exhibit number 532.
1:56:40What is that?
1:56:42A screenshot of Chandler by the
1:56:44Wisconsin River.
1:56:45Okay. And how's he labeled? What's his
1:56:47name there? Hubby. And what time is
1:56:49that?
1:56:518:58. Okay. I think previously I said
1:56:54the 2nd, I meant the the the 3rd. We're
1:56:56we're now in the Saturday, but was this
1:56:57taken on Saturday morning?
1:56:59Yes. Okay. Why did you take this
1:57:01screenshot of Chandler's location?
1:57:05She thought he was cheating. I didn't
1:57:06know why he was there, and so I was
1:57:08curious.
1:57:09Did you know where this location was?
1:57:12Yes.
1:57:14And how did you know where this location
1:57:15was?
1:57:16I've been there before with Chandler.
1:57:19Tell us about it.
1:57:21Um
1:57:23It's a little spot where we can park our
1:57:26park our car and
1:57:27walk down to the Wisconsin River for
1:57:29swimming.
1:57:31How many times do you think you've been
1:57:32there?
1:57:42Two or three times.
1:57:44[snorts]
1:57:46And then
1:57:47Dude, I wonder if she thought Chandler
1:57:49was with another girl, like taking
1:57:50another girl to the river. Like trying
1:57:52to just like
1:57:54I don't know. Wait, dude.
1:57:56Wait, dude, did you reach a a thousand?
1:57:59Really?
1:58:01What the [ __ ]
1:58:02Bro.
1:58:04And god damn, also Tik taking over the
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1:58:07with eight no, 80 for the whole month.
1:58:09God damn, bless you, Tik. Don't forget
1:58:11if you get gifted a sub, make sure you
1:58:13thank your sub daddy. Thank him. Thank
1:58:15him.
1:58:16Move to publish 532. You may.
1:58:20Was it received?
1:58:22Okay.
1:58:23Is this that screenshot?
1:58:24Dude, there's his dinky ass. God damn, I
1:58:27can't believe that. I cannot believe
1:58:29that. Stop. Stop.
1:58:34Oh my god.
1:58:37What did you do, um, when you when you
1:58:40saw that?
1:58:43Pardon?
1:58:44Yeah, what did you do when you saw that
1:58:45location?
1:58:46emoji, I know. You took a screenshot.
1:58:48Did you do anything else with that
1:58:49information?
1:58:52I asked him what he was doing there.
1:58:54Okay.
1:58:55[snorts]
1:58:55And what did he respond?
1:58:59He was going to pick up CBD and he was
1:59:02passing through there.
1:59:05Um he was passing through?
1:59:06He's got a lie for everything.
1:59:09Um did you try to call him?
1:59:11Yes. Okay. Did Were you able to talk to
1:59:13him?
1:59:15Yes. Okay. Okay.
1:59:17anything else from that conversation
1:59:18about what he said or why he was where
1:59:20he was?
1:59:22Um he was picking up CBD for the pain.
1:59:26Um
1:59:27Making himself a victim.
1:59:28want to tell me that he was picking up
1:59:30CBD because he was scared I was going to
1:59:32be disappointed in him.
1:59:38[snorts]
1:59:41That is such a manipulative tactic. That
1:59:44is so so so manipulative. Like, oh, I
1:59:48was doing this thing that's really not
1:59:50that bad, but I didn't want to tell you
1:59:52because I thought you'd be upset with
1:59:54me, but I'm going to come clean about
1:59:56the bad thing I was doing. I was getting
1:59:58CBD for the pain of my my neck injury
2:00:02and I just really needed it. I'm sorry.
2:00:05That is so min- like it's
2:00:09I hate this. I hate this, dude.
2:00:15CBD is like the most innocent form of
2:00:17weed, basically. It's like an extracted
2:00:20thing from weed.
2:00:22And around that time
2:00:24that you took that screenshot, was that
2:00:26when all of these messages were being
2:00:28sent that we looked at in this exhibit
2:00:30where no one was responding to you?
2:00:34Ending with "Hey, did you pass out?"
2:00:47That was before I took the screenshot.
2:00:49Right. Same Same morning though? Same
2:00:51morning, yes.
2:00:53Were you having trouble communicating
2:00:55with Chandler that morning between 8:00
2:00:57and 9:00, essentially? [clears throat]
2:00:59Yes. Okay.
2:01:04Yeah, dude. Stanley be smoking CBD all
2:01:07the time. He inject that [ __ ] sometimes.
2:01:09Prior to What
2:01:10Let's put it a different way. When was
2:01:12the last time you were at that location
2:01:14that out by the Wisconsin River with
2:01:15Chandler, approximately?
2:01:19Stanley's my cat. He doesn't really
2:01:20inject himself with CBD. All right, hold
2:01:22on. I'm going to skip ahead just a
2:01:23little bit.
2:01:25her and his friend And then
2:01:28that night, go back to Chandler's.
2:01:31Okay.
2:01:31hours And
2:01:34long of a period was he away from you
2:01:37dealing with that?
2:01:39I don't know. Okay.
2:01:42She fell on the stairs. He laid down
2:01:44with her and
2:01:45was making sure she was okay and petting
2:01:47her. Okay.
2:01:49I was looking at the Greyhound nice guy.
2:01:52Okay, it was 2:40 to go straight to
2:01:54Titusville. Okay, so let's see where the
2:01:57next level
2:01:59where the next lies start. 11:30
2:02:03on the 5th, what does Chandler text you?
2:02:06Don't piss them off till we know for
2:02:08sure we are moving.
2:02:11Like his parents? And you respond, "I
2:02:12won't." Wait, let me go back a little
2:02:14bit.
2:02:17Day Monday, July 5th.
2:02:23Yes. Okay, I'll move 5:33 into evidence.
2:02:26No objection.
2:02:27Any objection other than the standing
2:02:28objection? They are received.
2:02:30They may be published.
2:02:35[snorts]
2:02:36Um I'm going to go to the second page.
2:02:38Um in general, you're texting
2:02:40about work life, your work frustrations
2:02:43maybe. Yes. Okay.
2:02:46And at that point, as far as you knew,
2:02:48Okay. um were you going to be at this
2:02:50job that you were at um long term?
2:02:54I was under the impression I would leave
2:02:56in August.
2:02:57And where were you going to go?
2:02:58cuz she thought they were going to go to
2:02:59Florida.
2:03:0111:30 [screaming]
2:03:03Dude, Chandler had told her that she had
2:03:05this he had this great job at SpaceX and
2:03:08she believed that she was going to go
2:03:10down to Florida, live with him, and he
2:03:13was going to take care of everything.
2:03:15He had never worked a normal job in his
2:03:18life. On the 5th, what does Chandler
2:03:20text you?
2:03:22Don't piss them off till we know for
2:03:23sure we are moving.
2:03:24I guess her job.
2:03:27And you respond, "I won't."
2:03:29Correct.
2:03:30[snorts]
2:03:31So, she was ready to move in a month.
2:03:36He says, "Okay."
2:03:39You say something else. You say,
2:03:40"Greyhound isn't too expensive for a
2:03:42trip to Titusville." You say that at
2:03:4411:46 on the 5th. What is that about?
2:03:48Um since Chandler expressed he couldn't
2:03:51fly down to Titusville,
2:03:54we were looking at alternatives for him
2:03:56to go and I looked at Greyhound prices.
2:03:59Hm. When you say "we were looking at
2:04:01alternatives," who was who was more so
2:04:03looking at alternatives, you or him?
2:04:05Me. Um Cauliflower said, "I wonder if he
2:04:08was planning to kill her." I don't think
2:04:10Chandler ever had any plans to kill Cat.
2:04:14However, I believe he 100% had the
2:04:16capacity to do so. And if there was
2:04:19something that he wanted that Cat did
2:04:21not fit into that plan and the
2:04:23conversation would have been too hard
2:04:25for him to have because he has no
2:04:27communication skills, I 100% believe
2:04:30that he would have also murdered Cat.
2:04:31This is somebody that can't He can never
2:04:33be released, ever, ever, ever. Or if she
2:04:36found out, yeah.
2:04:38If and when she found out. If he got
2:04:40away with this, he would have gotten rid
2:04:42of Cat just like he basically what he
2:04:44did to his parents. That's what he would
2:04:45have done. You? Yes.
2:04:48If Cat had walked in at the right time,
2:04:49he would have murdered her for sure.
2:04:50Yep.
2:04:52No pressure, just saying.
2:04:54Correct.
2:04:57You read what Chandler says.
2:05:00Nope, 870 for a straight shot.
2:05:04To Orlando.
2:05:06You respond, "What?"
2:05:08All this occurring just before the noon
2:05:10hour on Monday.
2:05:11True.
2:05:12$800 for a Greyhound? Um Uber is 200 to
2:05:15Titusville, meaning the Greyhound plus
2:05:17the Uber.
2:05:18Um
2:05:22And you say it was 240 to go straight to
2:05:23Titusville. What are you looking at when
2:05:24you're doing this?
2:05:26Um I was looking at the The Greyhound
2:05:28the Greyhound website. Let's look it up
2:05:30right now. Wait, So, you thought it'd be
2:05:32about 240 bucks.
2:05:34And Chandler texts you.
2:05:36So, like a grand to get there with not
2:05:38much of my stuff.
2:05:39Okay.
2:05:43You respond, "WTF, where am I?" Or he
2:05:46responds, "What, WTF, where am I
2:05:47looking?"
2:05:49And you say,
2:05:51"You're very off." Essentially is what
2:05:52that message means, right?
2:05:53Ah!
2:05:54Yes.
2:05:55She caught him out!
2:05:57And then he just says, "Ooh, okay." He
2:05:59He This dumb [ __ ] thought that he could
2:06:02just say that the Greyhound was X amount
2:06:04and that Cat wouldn't look into it. Come
2:06:06on, man. We're women, this is what we
2:06:08do. We love planning [ __ ] okay? I'll
2:06:10tell you this, bro, I know there's some
2:06:12women that aren't into that [ __ ] but
2:06:13for the most part, we love making travel
2:06:16plans. We want to pick the hotel. We
2:06:18want to get the best deal for our man.
2:06:20Like, this [ __ ] is fun, okay? Wait, is
2:06:23anyone else like this? Wait, one in the
2:06:24chat if you're like that. Like, I love
2:06:26it. It's so so so so so fun. But But
2:06:28like, he thought that he was just going
2:06:30to say $800 and she was just going to
2:06:33bite it. You like like no. No. I'm like
2:06:36baby we're leaving. I'm going to get
2:06:38this hotel. We're going to do this. I'll
2:06:40book this. This is this like I have fun
2:06:42with it, okay? You ain't going to tell
2:06:43me you say $800 too expensive. Okay,
2:06:45baby I got you. I'm going to find this a
2:06:47cheaper I'm going to find you a cheaper
2:06:48one right now. Uh-uh.
2:06:50Nah.
2:06:51Nah.
2:06:52Cat said you're very off.
2:06:57Around this time
2:06:59you were looking up how how Chandler
2:07:01could get to Florida, right? Yes. Show
2:07:03your exhibit number 534 in this case.
2:07:05What is that?
2:07:07It's a screenshot of the Greyhound
2:07:08website of me looking up a trip to
2:07:10Titusville for Madison. And you took the
2:07:12screenshot? Yes. Did you send this to
2:07:14Chandler? Yes. [clears throat]
2:07:16Okay. And [snorts] that was in the
2:07:17middle of those text messages, right?
2:07:19Yes.
2:07:20Move 534 into evidence.
2:07:22Any objection? Can we approach?
2:07:25Sure. No objection.
2:07:27No objection. And you may publish.
2:07:32Cat, 534
2:07:34what are we looking at there?
2:07:36Dude, do you guys think Cat feels any
2:07:39guilt? Like wondering if there's
2:07:42something she could have done.
2:07:45I'm just thinking about how and I'm not
2:07:47saying that there is, but like how she
2:07:49might feel that way. When the
2:07:51prosecutors are listing out all these
2:07:54things, did you notice when Chandler did
2:07:55this? Did you notice this with Chandler?
2:07:57Did you notice this? Did you notice
2:07:58this?
2:07:59He was so good at lying through all
2:08:01these things.
2:08:03Of course she didn't take a second look,
2:08:05but when she's sitting here and being
2:08:07asked all these questions, I wonder if
2:08:08she asks herself like oh my god, how did
2:08:10I not know something was up, you know
2:08:13what I mean? And not necessarily saying
2:08:15that's true, but like sometimes taking
2:08:18that guilt is a way that we find control
2:08:21in situations cuz you can't control
2:08:23grief, right? But you can blame yourself
2:08:25and blaming yourself is easy. It It just
2:08:28Man, I can't imagine what she's going
2:08:30through, dude. This is [ __ ]
2:08:33The price for a Actually, also, quick
2:08:36pause. Really quick, guys. I'mma leave
2:08:38you some lo-fi, and I'mma run an ad
2:08:40really quick. I have some people at my
2:08:41front door. I told you some people are
2:08:42coming to clean the floors today cuz it
2:08:43is My house is looking crazy right now.
2:08:47Um I'll be back in 2 seconds. Or wait,
2:08:49do you guys want me to just play this? I
2:08:51want to see it though.
2:08:53You know what? I'm just going to play
2:08:55it. I'm going to run an ad, and then I'm
2:08:56going to play it, and then you guys can
2:08:58tell me if I missed anything cuz we got
2:08:59a long day going.
2:09:03Nabela, hold on.
2:09:05I'll be right back.
2:09:09Ha ha ha. I'm leaving you with the
2:09:10Wi-Fi. I'll be right back.
2:09:21Well, I know what I'll do. This ad is
2:09:22playing for 60 seconds. You guys [music]
2:09:24that are subs, you can call them what
2:09:25happened. I'm going to run this back a
2:09:27minute so that you guys don't miss
2:09:29anything.
2:09:30All right.
2:09:30Wait wait what Chandler says.
2:09:32Yeah, that's what we'll do. Nope, 870
2:09:35bucks.
2:09:35I'm going to be gone for a second, okay?
2:09:37shot
2:09:39to Orlando.
2:09:41And you respond, "What?"
2:09:43All this occurring just before the noon
2:09:44hour on Monday.
2:09:47And then Chandler says,
2:09:48"Um Uber's [clears throat] 200 to
2:09:49Titusville," meaning the Greyhound plus
2:09:51the Uber.
2:09:53Um
2:09:56And you say it was 240 to go straight to
2:09:58Titusville. What are you looking at when
2:09:59you're doing this?
2:10:00Um I was looking at the Greyhound
2:10:03website.
2:10:05So, you thought it'd be about 240 bucks.
2:10:08And Chandler texts you.
2:10:10So, like a grand to get there with not
2:10:12much of my stuff.
2:10:14Okay.
2:10:18You respond, "WTF, where Where I?" Or he
2:10:20responds, "What WTF? Where am I
2:10:22looking?"
2:10:24And you say,
2:10:25"You're very off." Essentially is what
2:10:27that message means, right? Yes. Okay.
2:10:32"Okay." Is his response.
2:10:41Around this time,
2:10:43you were looking up how Chandler could
2:10:45get to Florida, right? Yes. Show exhibit
2:10:48number 534 in this case. What is that?
2:10:51It's a screenshot of the Greyhound
2:10:53website of me looking up that trip to
2:10:55Titusville for Madison. And you took the
2:10:57screenshot? Yes. Did you send this to
2:10:59Chandler? Yes. [clears throat] Okay. And
2:11:01that was [snorts] in the middle of those
2:11:02text messages, right? Yes.
2:11:04Move 534 in evidence.
2:11:07Any objection? Can we approach?
2:11:09Sure. May I have this?
2:11:12No objection. And you may publish.
2:11:16Okay.
2:11:17534.
2:11:19What are we looking at there?
2:11:22The price for a trip from Madison to
2:11:24Titusville, Florida on Greyhound.
2:11:29[clears throat]
2:11:31You took the screenshot, right?
2:11:33Correct.
2:11:34Who did you send this to again?
2:11:36Pardon? Who did you send it to?
2:11:38Chandler.
2:11:46[snorts]
2:11:48I'm going to say mark in this case as
2:11:49exhibit number
2:11:51536. And I'll show you 537 to take the
2:11:55trip.
2:11:57[snorts]
2:11:58536. Is that another set of messages
2:12:00between you and Chandler?
2:12:02That date? July 5th? Correct.
2:12:08What is 535?
2:12:12What is that?
2:12:13Oh, sorry. Um it's a screenshot of uh EW
2:12:17clinic. Okay.
2:12:19And did you take that? Yes, I did. In
2:12:21relation to to what? Why did you take
2:12:23the screenshot? That's where Chandler
2:12:25said he was going to have his
2:12:28appointment for that day. Okay.
2:12:30[snorts]
2:12:30I'll move 536 and 535 into evidence. Any
2:12:35objection other than the standing
2:12:36objection as to the texts? No objection.
2:12:38They are received.
2:12:41So we're
2:12:42still on that day, July 5th.
2:12:46[snorts]
2:12:47But we're in the afternoon and you text
2:12:49me Can you read that last one?
2:12:52Text me when you get to your
2:12:53appointment. And we're about 1:30,
2:12:55aren't we?
2:12:56Yes.
2:13:01Chandler says, "Yes, dear."
2:13:07[snorts]
2:13:10Then a series of messages starting at
2:13:141:40, uh
2:13:16you say, "Mhm." essentially.
2:13:191:40 again, "I love you.
2:13:22It's going to be okay."
2:13:26[snorts]
2:13:27Can you read what Chandler says?
2:13:30Either way, you and me are going to be
2:13:31happy.
2:13:34You say? Very true.
2:13:37And then at 2:00, 2:01 exactly,
2:13:40uh Chandler says what? Made it a bit ago
2:13:42and checked in. What was your
2:13:44understanding of where he had gone?
2:13:46To
2:13:47um
2:13:48the location that I had screenshotted
2:13:50for his appointment. And why again did
2:13:52you take the screenshot for Chandler's
2:13:53appointment?
2:13:54Um cuz I was trying to leave work early
2:13:58to be able to take him myself. Okay. But
2:14:00you you didn't take him that day, did
2:14:02you? No.
2:14:04So I'm showing I'll move to publish 535
2:14:07if I haven't. You may. Okay.
2:14:11You looked up UW on Science Drive.
2:14:14Correct. How did you get this location
2:14:16or how did you know this was the
2:14:17location you'd be going to?
2:14:19Chandler told me it was on Science
2:14:21Drive. Okay.
2:14:27[snorts]
2:14:28That point, after he says he made it,
2:14:30checked in uh at just after 2:00, what
2:14:33does he say? Be right back.
2:14:36You say you got this.
2:14:39Yeah.
2:14:49You ask him about what you're doing
2:14:50later, 2:19, but then Chandler sends you
2:14:52a message. What does that say?
2:14:57Just need you to know cuz I have
2:14:59horrible reception.
2:15:00Okay.
2:15:03And it was sent again. Does that look
2:15:05right?
2:15:07Yes. Okay. And just read that again if
2:15:09you could. Uh just need you to know cuz
2:15:11I have horrible reception.
2:15:13Okay.
2:15:20[snorts]
2:15:22Your understanding at that time is that
2:15:23he was at the UW Health Hospital on
2:15:26Science Drive or the clinic?
2:15:27Correct.
2:15:30You respond, "Okay."
2:15:32Um
2:15:34What do you say there?
2:15:36Do they not I meant to say do they not
2:15:39have Wi-Fi? Okay.
2:15:42What do you say after that?
2:15:44We can snap if that's easier. Why would
2:15:46that be easier?
2:15:48Because um they generally have Wi-Fi at
2:15:51all UW Health clinics. And so, if he
2:15:53doesn't have reception on his phone, we
2:15:55could still snap with the Wi-Fi.
2:15:59Now, we're talking about texts, you're
2:16:00texting, and now you're texting about
2:16:02snapping, but in the realm of this
2:16:04conversation, a couple questions. When
2:16:06you're texting someone,
2:16:08um just on the normal app Apple iPhone
2:16:10and you're texting someone, absent
2:16:12something crazy, you're not seeing their
2:16:14location. At least in your experience,
2:16:16right?
2:16:17On the Apple location.
2:16:19In these text messages, this isn't how
2:16:21you looked at where Chandler's location
2:16:22is, right? It was Snapchat. Correct.
2:16:24Okay.
2:16:25So,
2:16:26if
2:16:27someone in your experience wasn't on
2:16:30Snapchat or able to use Snapchat because
2:16:32they didn't have Wi-Fi or a signal,
2:16:34would you be able to tell where their
2:16:35location is?
2:16:36No.
2:16:41Can you turn off
2:16:43on Snapchat the ability of someone to
2:16:45see your location?
2:16:46Yes.
2:16:52At 2:23 [snorts]
2:16:53after arriving at the doctor, what does
2:16:54Chandler say to you?
2:16:56No connection to even load Snapchat.
2:17:00What I miss?
2:17:05Chair [ __ ]
2:17:08Okay.
2:17:12And no Wi-Fi.
2:17:14Can you turn off
2:17:16on Snapchat the ability of someone to
2:17:18see your location? Yes.
2:17:21But they trusted each other.
2:17:25At [snorts] 2:23 after arriving at the
2:17:26doctor, what does Chandler say to you?
2:17:28They do be loving the chair.
2:17:29even load Snapchat.
2:17:32And no Wi-Fi.
2:17:36But I can still get your iMessages.
2:17:38Where is he? 2:24 p.m. Wait, wait, wait.
2:17:42I need to look at these dates cuz is
2:17:43this the day of the murder?
2:17:47At 2:23 [snorts]
2:17:48after arriving at the doctor, what does
2:17:49Chandler say to you?
2:17:51No con- Oh, oh, no, no, no, no. This is
2:17:534 days after.
2:17:54nection to even load Snapchat.
2:17:57And no Wi-Fi.
2:18:00But I can still get iMessages. So
2:18:03there's no Wi-Fi, there's no connection.
2:18:08But he's still receiving messages.
2:18:13Hello.
2:18:15Suggest.
2:18:21[snorts]
2:18:22No connection to even load Snapchat.
2:18:25No, bro. Okay, Pandora, let me just give
2:18:26you guys a recap cuz I was gone for a
2:18:28minute. Pandora said, "Sorry, I'm new
2:18:29here." Did she just kill a boyfriend?
2:18:31No, she didn't kill a boyfriend. She was
2:18:33just supporting and loving her boyfriend
2:18:35who happened to have murdered both of
2:18:37his [ __ ] parents and she had no idea.
2:18:40And then he was tricking her into like,
2:18:41"Oh, you need Can you go get some
2:18:42hydrogen peroxide for me? Can you go get
2:18:44some ice for me? Can you go get some of
2:18:46the Like literally helping her having
2:18:48her go get the cleanup kit for killing
2:18:50his parents, dude. It's just all Yeah,
2:18:52it's all kinds of messed up. And now
2:18:53she's on the stand putting his ass away
2:18:55in jail and reading all of their text
2:18:56messages. Had no Wi-Fi.
2:19:02She had no idea.
2:19:04Does that make sense to you?
2:19:08The texts or That he'd be able to get
2:19:10messages but wasn't getting Wi-Fi or
2:19:13didn't have any service for Snapchat.
2:19:15Hi TK.
2:19:17Generally in your relationship with
2:19:19Chandler or anyone else that you've been
2:19:21involved with or any of your Snapchat
2:19:23friends that you follow their location,
2:19:25um, are you generally able to see their
2:19:27location when they're in normal cities
2:19:29like Madison?
2:19:30Yes.
2:19:31And
2:19:32you work in the healthcare field, right?
2:19:34I do. Generally Wi-Fi available at most
2:19:36of those places?
2:19:37Yes. Ooh.
2:19:39She Man.
2:19:42In fact, what do you say to Chandler at
2:19:432:24? Weird, they all have it.
2:19:46She
2:19:47She She doesn't really believe him.
2:19:50But maybe it's your carrier.
2:19:51Oh, gives him the benefit of the doubt.
2:19:52No, Cat. No.
2:19:55What [snorts] does Chandler say?
2:19:58I'll try and get it on.
2:20:00I'll try and get it on.
2:20:04What?
2:20:07[snorts]
2:20:07Some of those messages were duplicates.
2:20:09Do you know if they were I got I got a
2:20:10question. And I'm not I'm not saying
2:20:12this to catch she clearly was
2:20:14suspicious. But I'm just asking about
2:20:16you in general. If your significant
2:20:18other is being a little sketch for a
2:20:20couple days, not too too sketch, but you
2:20:22know, he's got an injury. Maybe that's
2:20:23one thing. But he tells you at one point
2:20:25that he's going to a doctor's
2:20:26appointment and there's no Wi-Fi and no
2:20:29connection, but your iMessages are still
2:20:31coming through. One in the chat if
2:20:33you're like, nah, that doesn't make any
2:20:34sense. Two in the chat if you're like,
2:20:36well, I don't know enough about
2:20:36technology and that that could very well
2:20:38be a possibility, whatever.
2:20:40I've got a phone. I know how it works.
2:20:43And I know when I have when I'm able to
2:20:45send texts and when I'm not. Like And
2:20:47and and and here's my here's my other
2:20:49question cuz I know we got a lot of ones
2:20:51and twos that are coming here. I'm going
2:20:52to ask this one in threes and fours just
2:20:54so we can, you know, kind of get to a
2:20:55part two here.
2:20:57Three in the chat if you would be ballsy
2:20:59enough to call out that that's
2:21:00absolutely not possible in your partner
2:21:02that you know deflects or lies a lot.
2:21:05Four in the chat if you just wouldn't
2:21:08say anything and you would just
2:21:12say, well, that's not a big enough lie
2:21:13for me to call that out.
2:21:17I think I'm a four.
2:21:21I don't know why. I think I'm a four.
2:21:23I'm not the type to, you know, like I
2:21:25cuz you know what? Damn. As [ __ ] as it
2:21:28sounds, there's sometimes where I don't
2:21:30think I want to know.
2:21:33I don't know. That's weird. And that's
2:21:35just a little social question. Thank
2:21:36you. Thank you for participating. And by
2:21:39the way, if you're new here and you like
2:21:40true crime, don't forget to follow the
2:21:41channel. We do true crime here every
2:21:43Monday, usually at 6:00, but I was
2:21:44feeling a little frisky today. We're
2:21:45doing a little 12-hour today. Come hang
2:21:47out. After this, I think we're going to
2:21:48be watching an episode of I Survived.
2:21:51Um I guess this is the perfect day to do
2:21:53an I survived binge if we choose to do
2:21:55so, but that will be I think coming up
2:21:57next. Were sent twice or they were just
2:21:59received twice?
2:22:05Ask a better question.
2:22:07Um
2:22:08That last one, where there were
2:22:10duplicate messages two in a row.
2:22:13I'll try to get it on. I'll try to get
2:22:15it on.
2:22:16Um
2:22:17One possibility is someone actually
2:22:18wrote that message out, sent it
2:22:20and there was some
2:22:22glitch in the system and it got sent
2:22:24twice, right? Objection.
2:22:27Speculation. He's in the courtroom with
2:22:29the text messages.
2:22:30think the witness has testified to some
2:22:32electronic savvy enough that I think
2:22:33I'll let the question be asked and
2:22:35answered if she can.
2:22:38Sure. Is one possibility of that same
2:22:40message coming through twice that there
2:22:41was maybe a glitch in the system or
2:22:42someone was in bad service area and the
2:22:44message just went through twice?
2:22:46Yes. Is another possibility that someone
2:22:48actually wrote that out and sent it
2:22:49twice purposefully?
2:22:52Yes. Um
2:22:53Wait, what?
2:22:57He sent a text message twice to mimic
2:22:59not having service?
2:23:04So at 3:25, I mean an hour into this
2:23:07after the bad service, Chandler texts
2:23:09you. Can you read these for me?
2:23:10Hi hon.
2:23:12Heading home.
2:23:15They took an x-ray and a CT scan.
2:23:17Nothing bad on the x-ray.
2:23:21Oh, they Oh, they they just
2:23:24[snorts]
2:23:28At that point um I think you testified
2:23:30you didn't drive Chandler to the
2:23:32doctor's appointment. No. Did you
2:23:34FaceTime with him while he was there?
2:23:37At the appointment?
2:23:38Yeah.
2:23:40Not that I remember. Uh and you did you
2:23:42see his location, his Snapchat location?
2:23:44Was Did any doctor's appointment that
2:23:46you could tell?
2:23:48Not that I saw. She couldn't see that he
2:23:50turned off his location? It's like I
2:23:51asked you before with the jobs and the
2:23:54school, absent what Chandler was telling
2:23:56you, did you have any indication that he
2:23:59in fact was at any doctor's appointment?
2:24:00Do you know for sure?
2:24:02[clears throat]
2:24:02No.
2:24:08But after Chandler says nothing bad on
2:24:09the x-ray
2:24:10Dude, am I tripping or like I know that
2:24:13this is kind of like slow, but I cannot
2:24:15stop watching this because I can't
2:24:17believe what Kat has been through. I
2:24:20can't believe it. I can't
2:24:23I can't like
2:24:25I have days where I'm like I can't I
2:24:27can't do it anymore. My life is so hard
2:24:29and I watch this and I'm like my life is
2:24:30not hard. It is so like there there is
2:24:34nothing there are no obstacles. Like I
2:24:37am fine.
2:24:38I okay, it's interesting. Okay, cool cuz
2:24:40I can't I bro, I can't get off this [ __ ]
2:24:42right now.
2:24:43Just read kind of what you responded.
2:24:46A Florida.
2:24:48And what did you say?
2:24:49Let me see face. Um, what does that mean
2:24:52to you guys? She wanted a little selfie.
2:24:54She thought he was cute. When we miss
2:24:56each other, we'll ask to see face, which
2:24:58means we'll send each other a Snapchat
2:24:59of our face.
2:25:03After you asked to see his face, how did
2:25:05Chandler respond?
2:25:07CT scan, hun.
2:25:09What?
2:25:12Like he can't take a picture after a CT
2:25:15What was on it?
2:25:16No bad news. Can you read his response
2:25:18to you?
2:25:19They haven't determined anything both my
2:25:21legs.
2:25:22Like they were and all I got to wait to
2:25:24hear what they determined. What does
2:25:26that mean?
2:25:28What does that mean?
2:25:34[snorts]
2:25:34Read your first response to that.
2:25:37You hear everyone sighing just reading
2:25:39Chandler Halderson's lies. This is so
2:25:45[sighs]
2:25:45I mean, soreness and stiffness is normal
2:25:47after a whiplash and an accident. She
2:25:49really believed it, dude. And the next
2:25:51one.
2:25:52Especially with how much your fam
2:25:53wouldn't let you move around your house.
2:25:55What did this message mean? Why did you
2:25:56say that?
2:25:59Um
2:26:01he was
2:26:03at the time staying in the basement
2:26:05because there was darker It was a darker
2:26:08room.
2:26:09Cuz he had sensitivity to the light and
2:26:11his mom didn't want him doing much
2:26:12because she was really concerned about
2:26:15him, you know, hurting himself or
2:26:19maybe passing out
2:26:20lifting things, so he just generally
2:26:22stayed in there.
2:26:25Um
2:26:25what you knew about his restrictions in
2:26:27the house was that just from what
2:26:29Chandler had told you?
2:26:31Yes. Okay. Did you ever have a
2:26:33conversation with Krista about that?
2:26:35Dude.
2:26:36All right. I'm going to keep it going in
2:26:38here just for the sake of keeping it
2:26:41going.
2:26:42We've seen a lot. I know that I've
2:26:44skipped around a lot of things here.
2:26:47Listen, it's for the sake of attention,
2:26:49all right? There's all of these videos
2:26:52are There's some on Court TV, there's
2:26:54some thrown on YouTube. If you ever just
2:26:55want to like chill and watch the full
2:26:57sentencing of some of these different
2:26:59ones, but I want to jump around a little
2:27:00bit and I think I'm ready to hear the
2:27:03prosecu- or I'm sorry, the defense
2:27:05closing argument.
2:27:08Do you guys remember previously the
2:27:11defense closing argument? It was a
2:27:13woman, a public defender,
2:27:16coming up to the stand with a long sigh
2:27:19saying,
2:27:21"Chandler Halderston did not murder his
2:27:23parents, but
2:27:25she's got a whole 30-minute statement
2:27:27this time. Before it was only 10
2:27:29minutes.
2:27:30Now she's got 30 minutes. Also, there's
2:27:32a rebuttal, dude. I think this This
2:27:35Guys, I think this is going to be like a
2:27:374-hour YouTube video. My editors right
2:27:39now, look, [ __ ] peeing, crying
2:27:41right now.
2:27:43Okay, let's see what she's come up with.
2:27:46It is 33 minutes, but I may not watch
2:27:48the entire thing unless it's super,
2:27:50super, super interesting, but we'll link
2:27:52all of these in the description for the
2:27:53YouTube video if you ever want to just
2:27:55like finish watching one of these. Yeah,
2:27:57that's what we'll do. Is that fair?
2:27:59Like, part of me is like, we need to
2:28:01watch like the whole thing, but I'm
2:28:02like,
2:28:05Okay. All right, let's go.
2:28:07That opening instructions, like closing
2:28:09arguments,
2:28:10are not evidence.
2:28:13But what it is is a road map.
2:28:16She said, "Our closing arguments are not
2:28:18evidence." Because the prosecution just
2:28:20rolled up with 35 minutes of evidence
2:28:23that said that Chandler Halderson did
2:28:25it. So, she's like, "We don't have that,
2:28:27but we do have a road map."
2:28:29[snorts]
2:28:30You know what a road map is in the court
2:28:32of law? A web of lies. It's a [ __ ]
2:28:36web of lies. Let's see it.
2:28:38of how their case is going to go and how
2:28:40our case is going to go.
2:28:42So, you have an idea
2:28:44as you're hearing all this evidence how
2:28:46this case is going to go from both
2:28:48sides. We don't have evidence, but we
2:28:50have a web
2:28:51we told you that this case was about the
2:28:54homicides.
2:28:56The homicides. I listened to attorney
2:28:59Did she say Bahama sides?
2:29:03Murders in the Bahamas. Hold on.
2:29:07I listened to attorney
2:29:08don't even hear it. That's what I
2:29:09thought she said.
2:29:10as I was getting ready. And there were
2:29:12some things that he noted
2:29:14that I think are important.
2:29:17First off, towards the end of his
2:29:20opening, he
2:29:22apologized for some things.
2:29:24Essentially, he apologized for doing his
2:29:26job.
2:29:27He said it might be repetitive. It might
2:29:29be boring at times, but he needs to do
2:29:31it because he has a constitutional
2:29:33obligation to present their case and
2:29:35they only have one
2:29:36to discredit the prosecutor. And that's
2:29:38fair.
2:29:40So now it's my turn to apologize.
2:29:43I am going to apologize for doing my
2:29:46job. Oh.
2:29:50First let me talk about my job. What?
2:29:53Dude, talk about Chandler.
2:29:55is to {quote} get the get the defendant
2:29:58off on their charges.
2:30:00To object to every single question
2:30:02that's asked. To ask any question they
2:30:05possibly can of witnesses. To be loud,
2:30:07obnoxious, and make a scene so that I
2:30:10can try to get this person off of their
2:30:12charges. That's not what we're
2:30:14expecting.
2:30:16It's not.
2:30:18My job is to make sure that they do
2:30:22their job.
2:30:24My job is to make sure
2:30:27that if they're bringing charges on
2:30:28someone, they're doing it because they
2:30:30can do it beyond a reasonable doubt.
2:30:33They can prove those charges beyond a
2:30:35reasonable doubt.
2:30:36he did it. People don't like when I say
2:30:37those words beyond a reasonable doubt.
2:30:39it. Because it almost feels like a cop
2:30:41out.
2:30:43And if you think that it's a cop out,
2:30:46well then your issue is not with me.
2:30:48Your issue is not with Chandler.
2:30:50Your issue is is with the US
2:30:52Constitution and the laws of the United
2:30:53States. And without them
2:30:55you don't have me. And without me She
2:30:58just tried to blame shifted to the
2:31:00judicial system that she works for.
2:31:03I know.
2:31:04Chat, these ones are so hard for me
2:31:06because like we know the defense
2:31:09attorneys are just doing their job and
2:31:10their job is to defend someone that may
2:31:14or may not have did it. Sometimes they
2:31:15did you know. In this case, I think like
2:31:19we all know who did it. We just got to
2:31:22let her do her job, but you know what?
2:31:24Let's
2:31:25Let's Let's see how she does. Let's
2:31:27think of it that way, you know, rather
2:31:29than how dare she defend Chandler
2:31:30Halderson. Listen, she's probably public
2:31:32defender, you know, she's set up for
2:31:33this. It is what it is, you know.
2:31:35Um
2:31:38Oh, okay. So, Vortex Law, we're going to
2:31:41trust them because they have law in
2:31:43their name and also Vortex sounds like
2:31:44really intense. So, I'm I'm trusting
2:31:46this information.
2:31:47Factual. Um so, Vortex Law said, "So,
2:31:50fun fact, if the defendant can prove
2:31:52that his defense didn't do their best,
2:31:54they could appeal and claim ineffective
2:31:56defense." This is super duper true.
2:31:59There's been a number of people that
2:32:01have essentially done this before and
2:32:03they earned their rights to a second
2:32:04trial. So, that's probably also why
2:32:06she's really got to put on a performance
2:32:08here. So, let's, you know, we can cringe
2:32:11a little. Let's give her some Let's give
2:32:13her some slack, okay? Let's give Let's
2:32:15give her some slack. No, Vortex, I trust
2:32:17you cuz I know that's true, too. I know
2:32:18it's true.
2:32:20All right. You don't have them.
2:32:23My job is to make sure that the state
2:32:27I'm doing my job. They don't even have
2:32:29more tables than we do.
2:32:31that they do their job.
2:32:33And I'm going to do that job today.
2:32:41There's a couple things that I want to
2:32:43address
2:32:45before I go any further down the
2:32:46evidence.
2:32:48The first thing I want to address is
2:32:49sort of the obvious.
2:32:52Chandler [snorts] lies.
2:32:55He tells a lot of lies.
2:32:57Not only does he lie, but he
2:33:02goes to extreme lengths, if you will,
2:33:06to keep those lies going
2:33:09or to perhaps cover up those lies.
2:33:12I guarantee you every single one in this
2:33:16Every single person in this room has
2:33:17told a lie.
2:33:19Has either covered up that lie or has
2:33:22done something to keep that lie going.
2:33:25Maybe not now, maybe when you were a
2:33:26teenager. Go back to high school. I'm
2:33:28sure you lied to your parents all the
2:33:29time.
2:33:31You're not on trial, so your lies are
2:33:34not
2:33:36exaggerated
2:33:38and highlighted right now.
2:33:40Everyone lies?
2:33:42But they are here.
2:33:45And the important part is that Has
2:33:47anyone not lied to their significant
2:33:49other about not having cell phone
2:33:51reception? Has anyone lied to their
2:33:53parents about like, "Hey, can you pick
2:33:55up some sodas cuz I have to get an extra
2:33:58hour in at work?" Has anyone lied to
2:34:01their girlfriend and asked them to pick
2:34:02up peroxide to clean up their parents'
2:34:04blood, but told them that they cut their
2:34:07foot on the glass? Has anyone tried to
2:34:10burn their parents' heads in a
2:34:12fireplace, but then later told their
2:34:14girlfriend that the glass burst because
2:34:15they threw a tennis ball cuz they were
2:34:17playing catch with the dog? Okay, so
2:34:19none of us lie like Chandler.
2:34:23That Chandler is not charged with lying
2:34:26to his girlfriend or to his parents.
2:34:28There's one charge that has to deal, one
2:34:31per per parent, that has to deal with
2:34:34lying.
2:34:36Everything else
2:34:39is something that the state told you to
2:34:41try to feed you a theory,
2:34:43a motive,
2:34:45and to essentially taint your view on
2:34:49Chandler. Taint.
2:34:52So, when we were going over jury
2:34:55selection, I asked you,
2:34:58"How would you feel if you didn't
2:34:59testify?" And a couple people said I
2:35:01wouldn't need to hear from him.
2:35:03A couple people said that
2:35:05they would treat him the same way they
2:35:07would do every witness. [ __ ] He
2:35:09lies, and they did a great job of making
2:35:11it known that he lied.
2:35:13This is I don't know if this is helping.
2:35:15That is what
2:35:18I also said that it was a game day
2:35:19decision and most of the times it is a
2:35:21game day decision. This never was.
2:35:26Wait.
2:35:28Okay, we're jumping around all day
2:35:30today. Somebody just mentioned this
2:35:31video. It's a 3-minute video where
2:35:34someone said, "How do you defend someone
2:35:36that you think is guilty?" This is a
2:35:383-minute video from some type of defense
2:35:40attorney that has 7 million views and I
2:35:44want to watch it cuz I need more
2:35:45information. Listen, I'm here to keep
2:35:48your true crime ADHD at bay and then
2:35:51we'll go back to the video. Hold on.
2:35:52Let's see this.
2:35:54I'm sometimes asked by students thinking
2:35:57about a career
2:35:58Wait, let me get some captions going.
2:36:00It's a little low. It's a little low,
2:36:01guys. I'm going to turn up the volume as
2:36:02much as I can here.
2:36:05I'm sometimes asked by students thinking
2:36:08about a career at the bar or by friends
2:36:10Wait, why is this?
2:36:12Hold on.
2:36:16Font color. No.
2:36:18Font size. Font color. It's supposed to
2:36:19be white.
2:36:22Font size 75. Well, that's not helping.
2:36:25Background color blue, yellow.
2:36:29Hello.
2:36:30All right, it's going to be blue.
2:36:32Everyone shut up.
2:36:33Oh, opaque oh.
2:36:35Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh.
2:36:39[laughter]
2:36:40Don't you guys like how my option was
2:36:41just like, "It'll be blue." Okay, black
2:36:44and then what? The font Opacity? Window?
2:36:47No.
2:36:49There we go. Why was that so low? Okay.
2:36:53Everyone shut up.
2:36:57[laughter]
2:36:59I made it blue and I was just okay with
2:37:02[laughter]
2:37:04Okay, let's launch it. thinking about it
2:37:08I'm sometimes asked by students thinking
2:37:11about a career at the bar or by friends
2:37:13have got no experience with the law at
2:37:14all. Dominic, how is it that you defend
2:37:17somebody who you think is guilty? Oh,
2:37:19he's good.
2:37:20And whenever I'm asked that question, I
2:37:21always tell the story of my first ever
2:37:23criminal trial. Okay.
2:37:2620-odd years ago, I was sent down to
2:37:28Marylebone Magistrates Court
2:37:30to defend a man who was charged with
2:37:32stealing a frozen meal from Marks &
2:37:33Spencer's.
2:37:35And for me at the time, um it was the
2:37:37most important thing that had happened
2:37:38in my life. Okay. Um and I remember
2:37:41being absolutely crestfallen when I saw
2:37:43the papers in the case, and they
2:37:44consisted of witness statements from
2:37:46four security guards, all of whom had
2:37:48said they saw, like I remember his name
2:37:50now, Mr. Smith, walk down the frozen
2:37:52aisle at Marks & Spencer's, Okay. select
2:37:55a spaghetti carbonara, shove it down his
2:37:57trousers,
2:37:58uh adjust it because it was cold, I
2:37:59suppose, and uncomfortable, and walk out
2:38:01of the shop.
2:38:03Anyway, I got to Marylebone Magistrates
2:38:04Court, and I said, you know, is there a
2:38:05Mr. Smith here? And this guy came
2:38:06running up to me, and said, "Oh my god,
2:38:08are you my brief?"
2:38:09And I said, "Yes, I uh yes, I am, Mr.
2:38:11Smith." And he said, "It's all a fit-up.
2:38:13The whole damn thing's a fit-up, mate."
2:38:15A fit-up?
2:38:15"Well, listen, Mr. Smith, you know, Why
2:38:16does he sound like Sam Pepper? prospect
2:38:18that I can keep you out of prison.
2:38:20"Plead guilty?" he said. "Plead guilty?
2:38:21I'm going to [ __ ] sack you, and I'm
2:38:23going to get another barrister." And I
2:38:24thought, "Oh my god, I don't want to get
2:38:25in trouble on my first day." So, I said,
2:38:27"Calm down, Mr. Smith. Calm down, and
2:38:28don't worry. If you want a defense, you
2:38:30know, I'll defend you as well as
2:38:31anybody." Whatever it was.
2:38:33We went into court, and the trial
2:38:34started. Okay. How's this going to end?
2:38:38stand, where do I sit, what do I
2:38:39[clears throat] say? This is my first
2:38:40ever criminal trial. I remember that I
2:38:42was kind of just embarrassed about Mr.
2:38:45Smith's defense, this conspiracy theory
2:38:46that every security guard wanted to fit
2:38:48him up. And because I was embarrassed, I
2:38:50felt personally uh uh
2:38:52red-faced about his defense.
2:38:54Okay. And I'm not sure I properly
2:38:56defended him, like uh one way or
2:38:57another.
2:38:59Anyway, poor old Mr. Smith was was duly
2:39:00convicted. He got six months. Wait,
2:39:02what? [laughter]
2:39:04Four months later, I did another case,
2:39:06and it was so long ago now, I can't
2:39:07remember the facts of it, but
2:39:09what happened during the course of that
2:39:10case involved some of the security
2:39:12on. Everyone,
2:39:13I would like to pause really quick.
2:39:16Uh Mar- Mar- Navelli Mar- Navelli has
2:39:20come into the channel and asked me to be
2:39:23quiet. They simply just said shut up.
2:39:26And I'm feeling pretty submissive today,
2:39:30and I think I'm going to abide by that.
2:39:31Guys, I know we were supposed to do a
2:39:3412-hour stream [music] today, but thank
2:39:35you guys so much for stopping by.
2:39:38Um I had fun. I had fun while we were
2:39:41streaming, but I don't You know, I think
2:39:44I'm going to listen today, and I'm going
2:39:46to be quiet. I'm going to be quiet
2:39:48[music]
2:39:48like the woman I am. So, I appreciate
2:39:50you guys so much for hanging out. I'm
2:39:52sorry. You guys know I just pick up
2:39:53random comments. They're so [ __ ]
2:39:55stupid. Like how they're so funny. Okay,
2:39:57okay, okay, okay, okay. All right,
2:39:58everyone shut up. Let's go back to this.
2:40:00[snorts]
2:40:00long ago now, I can't remember the facts
2:40:02of it, but
2:40:03what happened during the course of that
2:40:04case involved some of the security
2:40:06guards. I'm sorry. I hit y'all with the
2:40:08music and everything.
2:40:09And as a result of my experience in that
2:40:11case, I was convinced so that I was
2:40:13absolutely sure that what poor old Mr.
2:40:15Smith had said to me 4 months
2:40:17previously,
2:40:18that I'd been embarrassed about, had in
2:40:20fact been the truth.
2:40:23Okay. You see,
2:40:25we as defense advocates, as barristers,
2:40:28have no idea whether or not somebody is
2:40:30telling you the truth, whatever the
2:40:31evidence looks like. People lie for all
2:40:34sorts of reasons. People do things for
2:40:35motivations that we can only guess at.
2:40:37How does he
2:40:38job as defense barristers is to
2:40:40represent everybody in exactly the same
2:40:42way,
2:40:43with exactly the same professionalism,
2:40:45Oh, I get what he's saying.
2:40:48with exactly the same courage, and it
2:40:50does take courage sometimes,
2:40:52as if we were representing our loved
2:40:53ones, or as we'd want to be represented
2:40:56ourselves.
2:40:57Because our job as defense advocates is
2:41:00not to be the jury, not to decide who we
2:41:02want to defend and who we don't because
2:41:04everybody is entitled to
2:41:05Okay.
2:41:06[clears throat]
2:41:06but just to assist the jury in coming
2:41:08Bro, that's fair.
2:41:10And so that was a very very early lesson
2:41:12for me to learn and the answer to the
2:41:14question
2:41:15how is it that you defend somebody who
2:41:17you think is guilty is simply this.
2:41:20I have no idea who is guilty or not. Oh.
2:41:24And I do the same for everyone.
2:41:26Okay, so his philosophy is basically I
2:41:28have no idea. You know what?
2:41:31Damn, that's the first defense attorney
2:41:33that I kind of [ __ ] with, bro. I get,
2:41:35you know, his story. I thought I thought
2:41:37he was about to hit us a little harder
2:41:38than that, but you know, I kind of, you
2:41:40know, I'm not mad at that. Okay, back to
2:41:41Chandler Halderson. Let's see what this
2:41:42lady says.
2:41:47Yeah, everyone is innocent until proven
2:41:50guilty. I like the vulnerability that he
2:41:53shared in that story though, where he
2:41:54said that he didn't do a very good job
2:41:56because he was embarrassed. And you know
2:41:58what?
2:42:01This lady's probably kind of embarrassed
2:42:02right now, but she's doing her job. You
2:42:04know what? I'mma give it to her.
2:42:09If you heard from him, were you even
2:42:10going to believe him?
2:42:12You weren't, and that's fine because it
2:42:14doesn't matter.
2:42:16Because at the end of the day, there's
2:42:18only one lie that really does matter,
2:42:20and that's the one that he said about
2:42:22his parents missing.
2:42:25I'm going to make your life a little
2:42:26easier and it's going to be a little
2:42:27unconventional.
2:42:29Okay.
2:42:30There are certain charges that I believe
2:42:32the state has met their burden and they
2:42:34have proved it beyond a reasonable
2:42:35doubt.
2:42:37And again, from the beginning,
2:42:40first-degree intentional homicide is a
2:42:42serious charge. Yes, it is. We've been
2:42:45here for the homicides.
2:42:50What's she going to try to say it wasn't
2:42:51first-degree? It wasn't premeditated?
2:42:54paper that is signed, a formal piece of
2:42:56paper that's signed
2:42:57by Chandler to the Dane County Sheriff's
2:43:00Office about a missing persons that
2:43:03clearly is not true. This is proof
2:43:05beyond a reasonable doubt.
2:43:10I want you to think about that
2:43:12when it comes to talking about these
2:43:14homicides.
2:43:18I also want you to think about another
2:43:20thing. Okay.
2:43:24And I made a weird noise. I apologize.
2:43:26But I want you to think about another
2:43:27thing. Bro, she's been catching wind
2:43:30with the mic every time she moved
2:43:31around. I didn't even hear what the
2:43:32weird noise was. But you know what?
2:43:34Respect.
2:43:34Attorney Riemer did her closing.
2:43:37Two phrases that she really caught on.
2:43:41Several times she said, "We know
2:43:45X, Y, and Z happened.
2:43:47We know that this happened."
2:43:51Pay attention to the times where she
2:43:52said, "We don't know."
2:43:57"We don't know." I Okay.
2:44:00"I can't tell you Man, I really
2:44:03how she was killed." I really got to get
2:44:05Okay, chat, question for you really
2:44:07quick. Are you listening to this lady?
2:44:10Like
2:44:11I'm listening. She's got my attention.
2:44:15Can we just
2:44:17Can we just take note on how it's such a
2:44:20far cry from the earlier defense's
2:44:23opening statement? Just check it out.
2:44:28Chandler Halderson
2:44:30did not murder his parents.
2:44:34Okay, that's a woman that does not want
2:44:36to be here. And like I get it, but this
2:44:38lady's like
2:44:39[laughter]
2:44:39She's like, "Let me do my
2:44:44"We don't know
2:44:47whatever." Brett. And it was always in
2:44:49the parts that had to do with the
2:44:50homicides.
2:44:53When I was in law school,
2:44:55I was told that the words I don't know
2:44:58should never come from that table.
2:45:03Because you should know.
2:45:04If you're charging people with crimes,
2:45:06you should know.
2:45:09Oh, she's dude.
2:45:12She's doing a good job but it's dirty,
2:45:14bro. evidence that I think that they
2:45:15skipped over
2:45:17that matters for me
2:45:19in proving
2:45:21that first-degree intentional homicide
2:45:23was not something that they
2:45:24[clears throat] met their burden on.
2:45:28I first want to talk about the cabin.
2:45:31Dude, I've noticed that if you say if
2:45:34you put any defense attorney line like
2:45:37in chat and then you type the bows okay
2:45:40thing afterwards, it just works.
2:45:42[laughter]
2:45:42It just works. Who did it a minute ago?
2:45:45When I was in law school and then the
2:45:46little dog is just so funny, dude.
2:45:50Chandler Halderson did not murder his
2:45:51parents and then the bows okay. Can
2:45:52somebody do it, please? Hold on, I'll do
2:45:54it. Hold on.
2:46:06Dude, I love it so much and you just put
2:46:08the little face afterwards. It was so
2:46:09silly. There is a cabin. There's no
2:46:11disputing that.
2:46:14Bart and Krista went to the cabin at
2:46:16least two or three times a year, I think
2:46:18is what someone testified to.
2:46:21It's possible
2:46:23that they could have gone to the cabin
2:46:25that weekend.
2:46:26In fact, you don't even know what their
2:46:27weekend plans were.
2:46:30Friends testified. None of them said,
2:46:32"Oh, they were going to come over to
2:46:33watch fireworks with us."
2:46:36So, no one knew what their plans were
2:46:37that weekend. Imagine watching this and
2:46:40having to I'll be so good.
2:46:41about it is because that is some kind of
2:46:44premeditation to them. That is some kind
2:46:46of intent.
2:46:48Ooh, he was going to do something that
2:46:49day. He knew he was going to do
2:46:50something that day, so he was going to
2:46:51say something about going to the cabin.
2:46:59He's talking to his girlfriend.
2:47:02Days before, on the 30th, so a day
2:47:04before
2:47:06there's a text message exchange between
2:47:08Kat and Chandler, where Kat asks, "We're
2:47:11not going to the cabin, right?"
2:47:15And he says, "No."
2:47:17You're allowed to use your common sense.
2:47:21When you have conversations with
2:47:22significant others
2:47:25and you're texting, you're not going to
2:47:27get the full story because sometimes you
2:47:28do it in person. What we know from him
2:47:31and his girlfriend is that they chatted
2:47:33on Snapchat. They They chatted
2:47:34everywhere they could.
2:47:36So, you're not going to get the full
2:47:37story from text messages. Well, what you
2:47:39do know is that at some point talks
2:47:41about going to this cabin as a family
2:47:45or happening.
2:47:47So, this notion that
2:47:49the idea of going to the cabin
2:47:52was last minute because he needed to
2:47:54cover up these homicides that he was
2:47:55going to do is not true.
2:48:03Now
2:48:05again with the lies.
2:48:07Okay.
2:48:07Certain lies mattered. Certain lies did
2:48:09not. I mean
2:48:10What I want to clear up, and Attorney
2:48:12Raymond did a a great job when she
2:48:14mentioned that we've seen this case
2:48:17multiple times. We've dealt with this
2:48:19case. We've talked to each other about
2:48:21this case. So, sometimes we get things
2:48:22wrong. I'm going to clear up something
2:48:24that they got wrong.
2:48:26Mhm.
2:48:27The evidence does not show that Bart and
2:48:30Krista knew about this SpaceX job.
2:48:35Yes, they did.
2:48:35You heard from Kat's mother, Dulce
2:48:39But we know
2:48:40that she knew about it. You heard about
2:48:42Crest, Crest knew about it. Cat talked
2:48:44about it.
2:48:47Maybe another friend or roommate talked
2:48:48about it, but you never heard anyone
2:48:50testify that Bart and Krista knew about
2:48:53the SpaceX job.
2:48:55You heard from Bart's brother Brett. So,
2:48:57I do not believe he mentioned it at all.
2:49:01So, that's not a lie on this house of
2:49:03cards that was crashing down. I think we
2:49:06got to
2:49:06That Bart and Krista knew about.
2:49:09You also didn't hear that about the
2:49:12scuba team, dive team, whatever you want
2:49:14to call it lie with the city of Madison
2:49:17Police Department.
2:49:19You heard it from his girlfriends, ex's
2:49:21girlfriends, and Cat. You heard it from
2:49:23his friends.
2:49:26But, you didn't hear it
2:49:29from people that knew Bart and Krista
2:49:31and said that they mentioned it.
2:49:36All right.
2:49:37We're going to close it out with this,
2:49:38guys. Well, we're not closing it out
2:49:39because we still got a lot Dude, there's
2:49:41just so much to navigate in this case.
2:49:43Okay, so we listened to a little bit of
2:49:46the defense's closing argument. Uh
2:49:49I I just question one in the chat if you
2:49:51get the point, you know? She's just
2:49:53going to She's going to do her job.
2:49:55She's going to do her job well. I feel
2:49:56like she is, but it's just simply not
2:49:59true. I really don't want to listen to
2:50:01too much of that. I
2:50:03I don't know what else to say.
2:50:05Um but,
2:50:06after her statement, the prosecution
2:50:08made a rebuttal. And our favorite
2:50:12prosecutor is back. We know him. We love
2:50:15him. We trust him so far. Let's see what
2:50:17he's got to say.
2:50:19Sad.
2:50:20Wait, what's his name? Hold on.
2:50:23Um
2:50:25uh
2:50:25uh Chandler
2:50:28Patterson prosecutor? I knew his name,
2:50:31but
2:50:32William Brown. Come on down, Willie
2:50:35Brown.
2:50:37Bring it on in Will.
2:50:41Willie Brown.
2:50:42Lot of talk in the defense closing and
2:50:44opening about
2:50:45Look at him.
2:50:46Things you said learned in law school or
2:50:48going [snorts] to law school and I think
2:50:50in the opening I heard at one point
2:50:52being on a jury is different than being
2:50:54a person.
2:50:55Oh my god.
2:50:56I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm
2:50:57I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm done
2:50:58with law school and I do this for a
2:51:00living.
2:51:02I operate in a world of common sense and
2:51:05not fanciful thoughts of
2:51:07Willie.
2:51:08just this guy finding his dead parents
2:51:10and deciding
2:51:11no big deal. Let's just cut them apart
2:51:13and hide them around the state. But who
2:51:15knows how they died?
2:51:17I live in that world.
2:51:20He came in hot.
2:51:22Chat, he came in hot. On a
2:51:25On a scale of 1 to 10, how hot did this
2:51:27man come in while smiling and being
2:51:29nice? Bro, that was a hard 10. He said I
2:51:33think at one point I even heard in the
2:51:34opening statements that being on the
2:51:36jury is different than being a person.
2:51:38She did say that. She really did say
2:51:42that.
2:51:43[laughter]
2:51:43Your job today is to be a jury member,
2:51:46not a person with emotions and feelings.
2:51:48Turn those off today and let this man go
2:51:51free so he can kill more people. Like
2:51:53come on, dude.
2:51:54That's the world you should live in,
2:51:55too, because being a juror is no
2:51:56different than being a person, unlike
2:51:58maybe what you were told earlier.
2:51:59You're told by the judge, although they
2:52:01figured out a way to say it in about two
2:52:02paragraphs, you use your common sense
2:52:05and experience in the roles of everyday
2:52:06life or something along those lines.
2:52:08But your lawyers got together and
2:52:09thought about it for two weeks and
2:52:10figured out a way to say use your common
2:52:12sense.
2:52:13[laughter]
2:52:15This mayor just stood up here and said,
2:52:17"What if this was an awful accident?"
2:52:21Bart Halderson was shot in the back
2:52:24twice. I'm going to cry.
2:52:26down and shoot yourself in the back
2:52:28twice.
2:52:31Bart Halderson and Krista Halderson
2:52:33Dude, I need more rebuttals. The
2:52:35rebuttal is straight-up an attorney in
2:52:38court being like, "What the [ __ ] did you
2:52:39just say? I got words for that." Chat,
2:52:42we're doing more rebuttals. Hold on,
2:52:44keep it going.
2:52:44Their heads chopped off, and their arms
2:52:47and legs
2:52:48it down, Willie.
2:52:50That was an awful accident. Think of
2:52:53Think of for a second. You heard about
2:52:55the bones. You saw those marks on the
2:52:56bones, those attempts. Some of them
2:52:58three, some of them 10, some of them
2:53:00five. False starts is what the
2:53:02anthropologist called them.
2:53:04That is someone on their hands and
2:53:06knees,
2:53:09Chandler, apparently, which was just
2:53:10assumed I guess we're admitting to that
2:53:12now.
2:53:13They lied and chopped them up and hid
2:53:14them around the state. On his hands and
2:53:16knees,
2:53:17some of them from the front to back,
2:53:19meaning probably could see the face of
2:53:22his mom and his dad
2:53:24as that saw moved back and forth.
2:53:27Dude.
2:53:27Back and forth. And you just saw the
2:53:30bones. What's before the bones? The
2:53:31skin, the blood, the muscle, the fat.
2:53:34The smell that they had to produce. And
2:53:36he just kept going.
2:53:39of his own parents.
2:53:42An awful accident.
2:53:45We heard
2:53:46I go Who just said law daddy? We did.
2:53:50This is our law father, at least for
2:53:52today. We've got a new Sorry, kids.
2:53:54You've got a new dad, everybody.
2:53:55[laughter]
2:53:56days without Googling things?
2:53:58I I don't. Maybe you do.
2:54:01But I bet you don't Google dismembered
2:54:03body found Wisconsin when you're crying
2:54:05over the news about your missing
2:54:07parents.
2:54:08I bet you don't Google woman's
2:54:09dismembered body found. I bet you don't
2:54:12do legal research about some other guy
2:54:14who chopped up his family members and
2:54:16threw them in a river. If you missed
2:54:18that part, there was search history of
2:54:20Chandler straight-up searching to see if
2:54:22they had found his mom's body or not. A
2:54:24woman found in Wisconsin woman
2:54:27dismembered body found. He was searching
2:54:28that, trying to see if they had found
2:54:30the bodies.
2:54:32Bet you don't do that.
2:54:36Thanks for [clears throat] backing me
2:54:37up, Will.
2:54:37common sense.
2:54:39Dude, I just want to say
2:54:41Ms. Vera talked a lot about the lies.
2:54:43Chandler is a liar and seems like we all
2:54:45agree on that now. 4 and 1/2 hours into
2:54:47our 12-hour stream, boys. We're doing
2:54:48it. I can agree with Ms. Vera on that.
2:54:52Thanks, Jamie.
2:54:54The question in this case isn't
2:54:58who would do this?
2:54:59And maybe that's something that's gone
2:55:00through your mind here.
2:55:02Who would do this?
2:55:05Who would go through all this?
2:55:07Who would make up all these lies? Who
2:55:08would take it this far? All these fake
2:55:10people, the burner phone, the nonsense,
2:55:13the calls to his dad, the emails back
2:55:15and forth, the friends and family, the
2:55:17move to Florida.
2:55:20Who would do this?
2:55:22And you're going to leave this room. Six
2:55:24of you are going to go home. 12 of you
2:55:26are going to go into a room and talk to
2:55:27each other. And you're never going to
2:55:28have an answer to that question.
2:55:31Because who would do this in the common
2:55:33sense meaning of it?
2:55:35Nobody does something like this.
2:55:38But that's not the role of a jury.
2:55:40You're answering a different question,
2:55:42which is who did this. Who did it, Chad?
2:55:44Who would do this?
2:55:47Cuz for the life of you, I bet before
2:55:48you got that notice in the mail a couple
2:55:50months ago saying you had to come here,
2:55:52you would say nobody.
2:55:54You would have said nobody. Oh my god.
2:55:57Nobody would shoot their dad in the back
2:55:58twice, or kill their mom, lay them on
2:56:01the ground in front of their family
2:56:02fireplace, take scissors and pruning
2:56:04shears,
2:56:07take a hacksaw, take a keyhole saw, and
2:56:10saw off their heads, arms, legs, burn
2:56:12them in the fireplace.
2:56:14Over 100 fragments of human bone found
2:56:16in that fireplace. You'd say no one
2:56:17would do this.
2:56:19But you You your jury summons,
2:56:21and you ended up here
2:56:23and you found out that someone did do
2:56:24it.
2:56:26Chandler Halderson did it.
2:56:28So, those lies are important.
2:56:31Cuz you at some level have to grasp
2:56:34how this man got to that point. Oh my
2:56:37god. As I said in the opening statement,
2:56:40[clears throat]
2:56:41the murders were just a small piece of
2:56:42the puzzle.
2:56:43None of the things that happened before,
2:56:45none of the things that happened after
2:56:47make any sense.
2:56:49Got to have the murders
2:56:51to understand
2:56:53why he did that bizarre story for 7 days
2:56:56of his parents going missing with the
2:56:57unknown couple.
2:56:59And you can understand the murders if
2:57:00you understand what happened before
2:57:03with his bizarre actions of building up
2:57:04this life
2:57:06that wasn't real.
2:57:08Why were those lies important?
2:57:12They were important cuz it's all he had.
2:57:15Dude. We're here because of the deaths
2:57:17of Bart and Krista Halderson.
2:57:19And they are dead. I actually don't know
2:57:22who's a bigger piece of [ __ ] Grant
2:57:24Amato or Chandler Halderson.
2:57:27I really don't even
2:57:29I really don't even like they are
2:57:30literally the same exact caliber of evil
2:57:33and worthless. Really, truly. Like I
2:57:38What contributions did either of them do
2:57:42in their time here when they were free?
2:57:46I can't think of a single thing.
2:57:48I really I really can't. But instead,
2:57:50they've changed the trajectory of many
2:57:52people's lives forever, you know? It
2:57:56I don't know. There's no doubt about
2:57:58that.
2:57:58difference?
2:57:58You have most decidedly concluded that
2:58:00at this point. You have seen their
2:58:02bodies.
2:58:06But on some level, whoever Chandler
2:58:08Halderson was died years ago as well.
2:58:11Also, I I'm going to I'm going to say
2:58:13this and I I
2:58:14I hate saying this because I hate making
2:58:16it seem like there's any type of
2:58:18understanding around this um because
2:58:20this this [ __ ] is really really sick.
2:58:23But, if you're a person that is watching
2:58:25this and for any reason you have been so
2:58:27afraid to communicate something that
2:58:29you've done or something you're anxious
2:58:31about, maybe a lie that you've told or
2:58:33something that's happened that you are
2:58:35willing to escalate to violence to keep
2:58:37your secret, it is not worth it.
2:58:41I don't know who needs to tell you that,
2:58:42but it is not worth it. Maybe because we
2:58:44don't have conversations around these
2:58:45things. People don't really have a
2:58:46barometer around what's right and wrong
2:58:48sometimes. Let me tell you, it's not
2:58:50[ __ ] worth it. It's really not, okay?
2:58:53It's really not. Think of something
2:58:54else. Go to therapy or maybe tell a
2:58:56friend or a couple friends what you plan
2:58:58to do and see what their reaction is
2:59:00instead of doing something stupid and
2:59:02then ending up in a courtroom and
2:59:03humiliating yourself because you can't
2:59:05communicate. Anyways, all right. What
2:59:08was left was the shell of a person who
2:59:10made this nonsense up, who built himself
2:59:13up to be a tech employee, rescue scuba
2:59:16diving guy.
2:59:17Chad, I want to think that Chad was like
2:59:18people that think that way wouldn't
2:59:20watch this. There's a lot of people that
2:59:22have a lot of really dark thoughts and
2:59:24they give in to those dark thoughts. I
2:59:26don't know why or how and maybe maybe
2:59:28it's like something with OCD or
2:59:30something and maybe we'll cover a case
2:59:33on it eventually, but those people are
2:59:34really truly everywhere. They really
2:59:36are. I see people sometimes in my
2:59:38comments that say like I was almost this
2:59:40person and I'm really glad that I
2:59:42wasn't. And yeah, it's just really
2:59:44shocking.
2:59:45Who is that? Was going to college.
2:59:48It was all he had.
2:59:50It was all he had.
2:59:53And that started to unravel.
2:59:55Maybe his parents suspected it. But, you
2:59:57listen to Bart Halderson on that call
2:59:59just about a day before he was killed.
3:00:02That sound like someone to you who knew
3:00:03his son had been lying to him?
3:00:06Those text messages. I spoke to Omar
3:00:08Joe.
3:00:09I'm ready whenever you are.
3:00:11He didn't know what was going on until
3:00:13that moment.
3:00:15So when Bart Halderson finds out that
3:00:17this is a lie
3:00:18to Chandler,
3:00:20whoever Chandler Halderson is,
3:00:22the whole world crumbles.
3:00:24Because if you weren't going to school,
3:00:26they sure weren't going to hire you to
3:00:27American Family Insurance. That couldn't
3:00:29have been real. There's no way you got a
3:00:30job at SpaceX.
3:00:34What else are you lying about? Where are
3:00:36you going all the time when you say
3:00:37you're training for the scuba diving
3:00:38team? Everything about him Yeah, where
3:00:41was he going?
3:00:43He [clears throat] doesn't have any
3:00:44money. Remember when he texts his
3:00:45girlfriend he was going to the police,
3:00:47"Hey, can I have $5 for a sandwich?"
3:00:49He can't just leave. He can't move out.
3:00:51He can't get in the car and head west.
3:00:54He probably couldn't make it out of the
3:00:54state with the amount of money he had
3:00:56cuz he never had a job.
3:00:59He had two options.
3:01:02Own up to his lies,
3:01:04stand up and finally tell the truth for
3:01:06once,
3:01:09or like a coward,
3:01:11shoot your father in the back.
3:01:13Man, yeah.
3:01:15Embarrassing.
3:01:15what happened.
3:01:18It's exactly what happened.
3:01:20Miss Varas says, "Wow, we just got a
3:01:21showcasing."
3:01:23Yeah, we got bullet fragment. Just
3:01:24happens to have Bart Halderson's DNA on
3:01:26it.
3:01:27And you looked at it, just happens to
3:01:29appear to have blood all over it.
3:01:34And then text my mom,
3:01:35"Hey, pick up soda for me.
3:01:36Dude.
3:01:37Dad's phone's dead."
3:01:39She did it all.
3:01:41Who's blood spatter's on the safe right
3:01:42there by the bullet fragment?
3:01:45Those little red dots, human blood.
3:01:47It's Kristel Halderson.
3:01:49We don't know what happened.
3:01:52We know exactly what happened.
3:01:56Murders are not captured on video.
3:01:57That's not how this happens. That's how
3:01:59this works. You know, if there are any
3:02:02hybristophiliacs
3:02:04that are posting about Chandler
3:02:06Halderson, I hope that they know that
3:02:09they have chosen the stupidest criminal.
3:02:12The stupidest
3:02:13criminal. And if you're if you don't
3:02:15know what a hybristophiliac is,
3:02:17basically a criminal pervert. Those
3:02:19girls are in love with Ted Bundy or, you
3:02:21know, other killers and don't think
3:02:23about the fact that they would have
3:02:24absolutely murdered them. My God, if
3:02:26you're a little hybristophiliac chasing
3:02:28after Chandler Halderson, it's just cuz
3:02:30you think he's cute, isn't it? And
3:02:32you're so pea-brained that this is the
3:02:35person that you choose? This [ __ ]
3:02:38idiot?
3:02:40I know he's got fan girls out there. I
3:02:42know he does. Hybristophiliac.
3:02:45H Y B R H Y B R I B R I S T O P H I L L
3:02:51A I C. Something like that. Just keep
3:02:53typing it. It'll come up eventually.
3:02:54Hold on. Wait, let me see. Hybri-
3:02:56Hybristophili-
3:02:58I can't spell it off the top of my head.
3:02:59There you go. All right.
3:03:03Sure, in the grand scheme of things,
3:03:04there are some people who are stupid
3:03:05enough to walk up to a gas station,
3:03:07stand in front of the security camera,
3:03:08and shoot somebody.
3:03:10But that's not real life.
3:03:11That's not common sense.
3:03:14Chandler Halderson did this in the
3:03:15basement of his house.
3:03:17The blood is everywhere.
3:03:19The bullet's there.
3:03:22You heard from Mr. Lowberry who
3:03:24testified,
3:03:25he only found one. And the one he found
3:03:27was kind of rolled behind under that
3:03:28bench.
3:03:31He tried to clean
3:03:31to order food.
3:03:33Peroxide everywhere. He's having people
3:03:35bring him peroxide.
3:03:38Blood all over that fireplace stoop.
3:03:41Bone fragments in the ash trap.
3:03:43You know exactly what happened.
3:03:45You don't need a video.
3:03:48The lies are important
3:03:51because it's all Chandler Halderson had.
3:03:55And when they were exposed,
3:03:59he started coming up with this plan.
3:04:02And yeah, after the Omar job comes in,
3:04:04text comes in on the 29th, he's having a
3:04:06conversation with his girlfriend. You
3:04:07heard Miss Vera actually write it.
3:04:08That's fair.
3:04:10The day before, "Hey, are we going to
3:04:11the cabin? What's going on?" They're
3:04:12talking about the cabin. He's starting
3:04:14to dabble with the idea of what he's
3:04:15doing.
3:04:16But then I think it was at 1:04 p.m.
3:04:20It's about an hour and a half, 2 hours
3:04:21before he did it.
3:04:23He says they're going to the cabin this
3:04:24weekend.
3:04:25He made his final decision.
3:04:27Because at that mo- moment, Chandler
3:04:30Halderson
3:04:32knew there was no way out.
3:04:35He couldn't get in the car and drive
3:04:36away.
3:04:37He couldn't make up another lie. He
3:04:39couldn't make up another email. He
3:04:40couldn't buy another burner phone. It
3:04:43was done.
3:04:46Everyone was going to see him for what
3:04:47he was.
3:04:51Just some liar.
3:04:53Some guy without a job. Not going to
3:04:55school.
3:04:57He'd been lying to everyone for years.
3:05:00And he couldn't handle that. Will's
3:05:01like, "Unlike me, I have a job."
3:05:03[laughter]
3:05:03We are here for it, Will. So he
3:05:05committed
3:05:07the ultimate act of betrayal
3:05:09against your parents.
3:05:11Perhaps against any human being. By the
3:05:13way, friendly reminder, you can be
3:05:15unemployed, you cannot have a job, as
3:05:18long as you're not lying to everyone
3:05:20that loves you and murdering your
3:05:22parents. It's fine. Okay. All right. I
3:05:25just got to say that cuz you know,
3:05:26there's a lot of people we'd be going
3:05:27through transitions, we'd be going
3:05:28through situations, you know what I
3:05:30mean? It's okay. Don't do anything
3:05:32crazy, okay?
3:05:34But especially your parents, the person
3:05:35who
3:05:36who held you when you were a baby and
3:05:38and cleaned up your your cuts on your
3:05:39knee when you were learning to ride a
3:05:40bike.
3:05:42Comforted you when you were crying.
3:05:46The ultimate act of betrayal.
3:05:48Shot his parents.
3:05:51Then he cut them up.
3:05:53And he hid them.
3:05:57But the lies didn't
3:05:57Yes, you guys that are not aware, this
3:05:59is Chandler. Every time the camera zooms
3:06:01in on homeboy, this is Chandler. Wish we
3:06:03got to see a little bit more of him.
3:06:05Stop there.
3:06:06It was a new lie. No, I'm at the cabin.
3:06:09No, he's on the news. Thanks, Seruto.
3:06:12Now he's giving interviews.
3:06:15Given two, three more days, don't think
3:06:17for a second there wouldn't have been
3:06:18two, three more fake emails.
3:06:20Text messages from my mom.
3:06:22Uh-huh. A whole new world.
3:06:24A whole new reality for Chandler that he
3:06:26got to live in.
3:06:29His checklist is right there. Finally,
3:06:30he's going to get a job. Obviously, mom
3:06:32and dad couldn't support him anymore.
3:06:35Maybe he's going to get some life
3:06:35insurance.
3:06:37Maybe he knew, maybe he didn't.
3:06:40But he certainly got to continue on his
3:06:42fake life.
3:06:43He got to keep his girlfriend.
3:06:45People continued to respect him.
3:06:48His friends probably continued to think
3:06:49that he was successful,
3:06:51important.
3:06:55The lies were rinsed and repeated.
3:06:57Rinsed and repeated.
3:06:59Now I promise I'm All right. Uh
3:07:02actually, we'll let this play just a
3:07:03little bit more. I'm about to start
3:07:04looking for the sentencing and the part
3:07:06where Chandler possibly talks during
3:07:10this.
3:07:11Um I'll let this play just a little bit
3:07:13more. Here's the plan. This is what
3:07:15we're going to do, folks. I'm letting
3:07:17you plan your day around us, what we are
3:07:20doing, okay? This is 12-hour stream.
3:07:22We've got a little bit more to go. Damn,
3:07:23we How long are we in? Cuz I want to
3:07:25check. Wait, oh, four four and a half
3:07:27hours in.
3:07:28I'm doing it. I'm a big kid today. We're
3:07:31actually supposed to be on the front
3:07:32page at about 7:00 tonight talking about
3:07:34Elizabeth Holmes at Theranos. So, we got
3:07:37a lot of fun stuff coming up today to
3:07:39chat about um
3:07:41We're going to watch after this the
3:07:42sentencing, see if we can find that clip
3:07:44of Chandler Halderson talking, and then
3:07:46that'll pretty much wrap up this
3:07:47segment. And then Oh, thanks for all the
3:07:49gifts, guys. We're We're to hit level
3:07:50five hype train. Okay, let me Yeah,
3:07:52actually, yeah, let me let's get that.
3:07:54We got a long day ahead of us, okay?
3:07:55Make my day. Make my day. We might get
3:07:57to 5,000 subs today. That'd be pretty
3:07:59wild, dude. I don't know how the [ __ ] I
3:08:01have 5,000 subscribers when I stream my
3:08:02ones.
3:08:04I don't know. Oh, incentives. That's
3:08:06what it is. Incentives. I promise you,
3:08:08I'm giving back. Um thank you guys so
3:08:10much. So, we'll finish up this segment
3:08:13in maybe about 30 to 40 minutes or so,
3:08:15and then I'm going to take a little
3:08:16break because of course it's a longer
3:08:18stream today. I'm going to take about 30
3:08:20minutes or maybe an hour. I might
3:08:22actually take a break for 30 minutes or
3:08:24an hour because I've got to get some
3:08:25stuff together for Theranos, and I'm
3:08:27going to go walk and get a decaf latte
3:08:30because I'm quitting coffee this week. I
3:08:31think during that period of time we'll
3:08:33put on
3:08:34um we'll either put on I Survived or
3:08:36maybe we'll throw on an old JCS while I
3:08:38take a little break and you guys watch,
3:08:40but we're either going to do I Survived
3:08:42after this segment depending on how long
3:08:44it takes or after my break, okay? Is
3:08:47that okay? Thank you guys so much for
3:08:48all the love. So many gifts. So many
3:08:50gifts.
3:08:51Oh, we're going to hit a level five hype
3:08:52train. I believe. I believe. I
3:08:54absolutely believe. Thank you guys so
3:08:56much. I'm so happy that you're having a
3:08:58nice time. That's all that matters to
3:09:00me. I don't know if you guys can tell
3:09:02every time that I do a stream, all that
3:09:04I care about is that everyone's having a
3:09:05good time. Like even when I hang out
3:09:07with my friends in person, I I love
3:09:08hosting. That's why I got like a nice
3:09:10house and stuff, and I want to get like
3:09:11a big like six-person dining table cuz
3:09:14all I care about is just making sure
3:09:15that everyone has a nice time. And if
3:09:17you're having a nice time, I'm having a
3:09:18nice time. So, it all works out. Um
3:09:21okay-dokey. Okay, let's keep playing the
3:09:22video.
3:09:24I'm about done, and I'm the last person
3:09:26who talks. The judge is going to talk a
3:09:28little bit more.
3:09:30What he's going to say next is is hard
3:09:32to hear, and that he has to read off the
3:09:34verdict forms. They're going to take
3:09:36back to the jury room with a few.
3:09:38Let me find the next Verdict forms are
3:09:39the physical documents for each charge.
3:09:42There's a bunch of charges here. For
3:09:43each one there's one that says guilty
3:09:44and not guilty. Guilty and not guilty.
3:09:47Guilty and not guilty. He actually
3:09:48actually read them all and it's
3:09:50doesn't make a lot of sense, but he has
3:09:51to do it.
3:09:54But what Ms. Vera's asking you to do
3:09:57is to lie.
3:10:00It is the last lie of Chandler
3:10:02Halderson.
3:10:05His lawyer stood up here and told you
3:10:08Damn.
3:10:09to lie for him.
3:10:11Not to do what you swore to do, which is
3:10:12to render a just and true verdict based
3:10:14on the evidence.
3:10:17To reconcile the evidence you can find
3:10:19that is consistent with the hypothesis.
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3:10:45It's time to pass on the baton. That is
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3:10:53A program
3:10:54Wait, can I see who leads in the bits?
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3:11:30Let's check out the Halderson homicide
3:11:33trial verdict. Um
3:11:35So, the verdict is just We're just
3:11:37getting to the end here where the jury
3:11:39has listened to everything about our
3:11:41case. Essentially, we're the jury here.
3:11:43They come together and they give the
3:11:45judge their final decree of
3:11:48uh you know, what the the the if he's
3:11:50guilty on the counts or not. So, let's
3:11:51watch that before we get into the
3:11:52sentencing. Looks like the sentencing
3:11:54was just done 2 days ago. So, I'll make
3:11:55sure I can find that clip for us.
3:11:57Tag.
3:11:59Read those instructions.
3:12:00Uh there was a lot to talk about, but
3:12:02they reached this verdict fairly
3:12:04quickly. All right. Here we go. Oh my
3:12:06god. Jury number six, by all indications
3:12:08you Wait. Okay, hold on. It said that
3:12:10they reached this verdict pretty
3:12:11quickly. You guys see how I shut I shut
3:12:14up. That's like we know kind of what the
3:12:16verdict is, but like I need to soak it
3:12:18all in. Borg, thank you so much. That's
3:12:21got to be a level five hype train. Is
3:12:22it? I think so. Yeah, you know what? We
3:12:25might hit
3:12:27We're about 400 subs away from 5K. Maybe
3:12:29we'll hit it by the end of the night.
3:12:30We're going to We're going to make it
3:12:31happen, chat. We're going to make it
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3:12:35VODs, okay? But let's do this. fairly
3:12:38quickly. All right. Here we go. Okay.
3:12:41The Halderson trial. by all indications
3:12:43you
3:12:44person, is that correct? Yes, sir. Sir,
3:12:46did the jury reach a verdicts on all
3:12:48counts in this matter? We did. Could you
3:12:50please give Randy the folder?
3:12:55I don't sit down for verdicts.
3:13:03Okay.
3:13:06Give it to us. What's the What's the
3:13:08judge's name? I don't know the judge's
3:13:09name.
3:13:22[sighs]
3:13:24The verdict form on count one as signed
3:13:26by the presiding juror and dated today
3:13:29reads We, the jury, find the defendant
3:13:31Chandler M. Halderson guilty of
3:13:33first-degree intentional homicide as to
3:13:35Bart Halderson Goodbye, chat. in count
3:13:38one of the amended information.
3:13:40As to the verdict form for count two, as
3:13:43signed and dated, we, the jury, find the
3:13:45defendant, Chandler M. Halderson, guilty
3:13:48of providing false information about a
3:13:49missing person as to Bart A. Halderson,
3:13:52as charged in count two of the amended
3:13:54information.
3:13:56Verdict form for count three, as signed
3:13:59and dated, reads, "We, the jury, find
3:14:01the de- Somebody said that they can't
3:14:02tell if I'm sitting or standing. I'm
3:14:04standing. I'm standing tall at 4' 11",
3:14:08loud and proud. Do I really look the
3:14:09same when I'm sitting or standing?
3:14:12No, I don't. No, I don't. If you can't
3:14:15tell the difference, you're wrong. I am
3:14:17tall. fendant, Chandler M. Halderson,
3:14:20guilty of mutilating a corpse as to Bart
3:14:23A. Halderson, as charged in count three
3:14:25of the amended information.
3:14:27Verdict form for count four, as signed
3:14:30and dated, reads, "We, the jury, find
3:14:32the defendant, Chandler M. Halderson,
3:14:34guilty of hiding a corpse as to Bart A.
3:14:37Halderson, as charged in count four of
3:14:40the amended information.
3:14:42The verdict form for count five, as
3:14:45signed and dated, reads, "We, the jury,
3:14:48find the defendant, Chandler M.
3:14:49Halderson, guilty of first-degree
3:14:51intentional homicide as to Krista R.
3:14:54Halderson, as charged in count five of
3:14:56the amended information.
3:14:59The verdict form for count six, as
3:15:01signed and dated by the foreperson,
3:15:03reads, "We, the jury, find the
3:15:05defendant, Chandler M. Halderson, guilty
3:15:07of providing false information about a
3:15:09missing person as to Krista R.
3:15:12Halderson, as charged in count six of
3:15:15the amended information. The verdict
3:15:17form as to count seven, as signed and
3:15:19dated, reads, "We, the jury, find the
3:15:21defendant, Chandler M. Halderson, guilty
3:15:24of mutilating a corpse as to Krista R.
3:15:26Halderson, as charged in count seven of
3:15:29the amended information.
3:15:31And finally, the verdict form for count
3:15:33eight, as signed and dated, reads, "We
3:15:36the jury find
3:15:38defendant Chandler M. Halderson guilty
3:15:41of hiding a corpse as to Krista R.
3:15:43Halderson as charged in count eight of
3:15:46the amended information.
3:15:48I will note for the record that the jury
3:15:50Guilty.
3:15:52Guilty across the board.
3:15:55Chat, so say we.
3:15:58Guilty on all counts.
3:16:00Lock him away. Put him away for life.
3:16:03Okay, let's watch the sentencing.
3:16:09I don't know why you're here. I'm sorry.
3:16:11Do you still like me? I ask my boyfriend
3:16:13this all the time.
3:16:15[laughter]
3:16:17Like anytime ever. You know,
3:16:19I'll just look this man dead in the eyes
3:16:20and I'm like, "Do you still like
3:16:23Oh my god, I thought I got locked in the
3:16:24office again. If you missed that, I got
3:16:26locked in my office last night. I told
3:16:27the story at the beginning of the
3:16:28stream. All right. Well, we'll let this
3:16:30read off a little bit more while I find
3:16:32the sentencing. Please hold.
3:16:34also return
3:16:36of your ADHD, okay? verdict forms that
3:16:39read not guilty and that those do not
3:16:41bear any signature or date,
3:16:44as well as returning the jury
3:16:45instructions. Let me inquire of you,
3:16:49and I'll use initials, Ms. B, are the
3:16:52verdicts which I read the verdicts with
3:16:54which you agreed? Yes. Mr. Deringer, are
3:16:57those the verdicts with which you
3:16:59agreed? Yes.
3:17:00Mr. H, are those the verdicts with which
3:17:03you agreed? Yes, they are. Mr. M, are
3:17:05those the verdicts with which you
3:17:06agreed? Yes.
3:17:08I do not need to ask the foreperson as
3:17:10his signature appeared on the verdicts.
3:17:11Ms. C, are those the Mr. C, are those
3:17:14the verdicts with which you agreed? Yes,
3:17:17they are.
3:17:17Ms. W, are those the verdicts with which
3:17:19you agreed? Yes.
3:17:21Mr. M, are those the verdicts with which
3:17:23you agreed?
3:17:25[laughter]
3:17:31All right.
3:17:33[clears throat]
3:17:36Everyone?
3:17:41I was just sitting here like
3:17:44just sitting here like
3:17:48[laughter]
3:17:52Oh man, I have way too much fun here.
3:17:55Appreciate all of you. Okay, let's skip
3:17:58around a little bit to get to This is
3:18:00actually a report from News Channel 3.
3:18:02God bless them. I just see if we can get
3:18:05to the attorney talking.
3:18:10Regarding the what I assume I don't
3:18:13know. I I sometimes I love sentencing
3:18:15because the judge just rips into them,
3:18:19but um I don't know if the criminal's
3:18:20going to give us too much here, bro.
3:18:26Let me call State of Wisconsin versus
3:18:27Chandler M. Halderson, case number 21
3:18:30CM.
3:18:32Yes, sir.
3:18:341568
3:18:37Is that the correct case number?
3:18:38CM CF
3:18:40CF 1568. Could I have the appearances,
3:18:43please? William Brown and Andrew Raymond
3:18:44appear for the state of Wisconsin. Thank
3:18:46you. Mr. Halderson appears in custody in
3:18:48court with his attorneys Crystal Vera
3:18:49and Catherine Dorrell. Good afternoon.
3:18:51Good afternoon. Let's
3:18:53first touch base to ensure that everyone
3:18:56has had access to the same materials as
3:18:58we're here for sentencing. A presentence
3:19:00investigation was ordered
3:19:02and agent Alyssa Burke
3:19:05filed with the court the report of that
3:19:08investigation on March 7th.
3:19:11Um
3:19:12Attorney Brown, did the state receive
3:19:13and have the opportunity to review a
3:19:14copy? We have. And are there any
3:19:17substantial corrections that the state
3:19:19needs to note for the record? No. All
3:19:21right, let's get going.
3:19:22Uh
3:19:23essentially um um a sister in spirit.
3:19:30Why are they talking to him like he's a
3:19:31baby?
3:19:38And Judge Traps as the defense is
3:19:39reading that just now.
3:19:40feel gross looking at him even read a
3:19:43piece of paper. Like you're not allowed
3:19:45to do that. You're not allowed to do
3:19:47stuff that we're allowed to do anymore.
3:19:50Like
3:19:52Dude.
3:19:57Yo, y'all know that there's girls
3:19:59writing this guy in prison right now
3:20:01talking about some Chandler, you don't
3:20:03understand. You were abused by your
3:20:04parents. I completely understand. I want
3:20:07to fix you. I want to protect you. If
3:20:09you're that girl, if you're that girl
3:20:11and you're like looking at him like, oh,
3:20:12what a little baby. Oh, no, I want to
3:20:14fix him. You need to get your [ __ ]
3:20:16together. You really need to get your
3:20:18[ __ ] together. If you are literally
3:20:19looking at this man and thinking in any
3:20:20capacity that you can fix him. You know
3:20:23what that means? It means that you hate
3:20:24yourself so much you're looking for
3:20:27worth in somebody that has nothing and
3:20:30you think that you can insert value into
3:20:31his life and be somebody. I've got an
3:20:33idea. Why don't you go be somebody
3:20:35somewhere else? I'm telling you right
3:20:37now if you are a girl that is looking at
3:20:39him right now, I can fix him. You are
3:20:40[ __ ] sick. You are sick and you need
3:20:43to believe in yourself, okay? You need
3:20:45to believe that you deserve better. You
3:20:46need to take care of yourself and you
3:20:48need to go find value somewhere else,
3:20:50okay? I'm just saying, I know some
3:20:51people are sitting here, "Oh, I want to
3:20:52help the baby." He's not a baby. He's
3:20:54not. Okay? He's not a baby and he would
3:20:57send you to go get murder cleaning
3:20:59supplies. And this isn't some gangster.
3:21:02This is not This is not some gangster
3:21:04that's going to protect you and like
3:21:05pull you into his lifestyle. He's going
3:21:06to lie to you and then he's going to
3:21:08shoot you in the back of the [ __ ]
3:21:09head. That's exactly what Chandler
3:21:10Halderson is.
3:21:14You know I be telling y'all go therapy
3:21:15every week.
3:21:20And just perhaps as the defense is
3:21:22reading that, just an administrative
3:21:23matter, the state would ask that the
3:21:24court adopt at least partially its
3:21:26amended media order in the trial. I
3:21:28don't imagine there'll be a problem, but
3:21:30I think there may be some new folks here
3:21:31from the media regarding the filming of
3:21:33people in the gallery here today. I
3:21:34actually and I did we distribute a copy
3:21:36or I didn't download it. I'm going to
3:21:38I'll print for each party a copy. I
3:21:40actually did distribute a media order
3:21:42about a half hour ago regarding those
3:21:45types of issues. I'll print a copy for
3:21:46you here in the courtroom. We appreciate
3:21:48it.
3:21:51I can get those done quick.
3:21:55Oh, okay. Thank you.
3:22:02I thought she was about to give him
3:22:04water. I'm like, he doesn't need any
3:22:05water.
3:22:07He not baby.
3:22:10Dude, he's over here breathing all heavy
3:22:12and stuff like he didn't do what he did.
3:22:19[snorts]
3:22:21Go ahead and take a look at that.
3:22:32I can't. Sorry. I keep looking at him
3:22:33cuz I'm like
3:22:33Any reason we should not now proceed to
3:22:35a sentencing hearing? Okay. Had to
3:22:38wonder where his next meal is coming
3:22:40Paul, please stop.
3:22:43Stop. What?
3:22:45So, your honor, um
3:22:46Mr. Brown and I are breaking up the
3:22:48sentencing. I'm going to talk very
3:22:49briefly about the character of the
3:22:52defendant and then go on to talk about
3:22:54the seriousness of the offense.
3:22:56the defendant and then talk about second
3:22:57half of the seriousness of offense and
3:22:59the need to protect
3:23:00Okay, so she's on the prosecution side.
3:23:02At first I thought this was the defense
3:23:03attorney for a second. She's on the
3:23:04prosecution side trying to put Chandler
3:23:06away, okay?
3:23:08Let's see.
3:23:10Um I'm going to spend a lot of my time
3:23:12today talking about the victims and who
3:23:14they were as people. Um, but I am going
3:23:17to start with um
3:23:19talking about the character of the
3:23:21defendant. Okay.
3:23:22Um, this PSI was kind of not your
3:23:24average PSI. I've often said in serious
3:23:27sentence
3:23:27Public service pup
3:23:29What is PSI
3:23:31in court?
3:23:36Pre-sentence investigation report? I
3:23:37don't know in a court case.
3:23:40Pre- pre- pre-sentence investigation
3:23:44report. Also know A PSI report also
3:23:47known as a pre-sentence investigation
3:23:48report consists of paperwork that a
3:23:50judge can use to help determine the
3:23:52right way to defendant to punish a
3:23:55defendant in a court case. Oh my god, I
3:23:58just Where did you guys go? Oh, there's
3:24:00chat. Oh, there we go. We just learned
3:24:03so much, dude. So, there's an
3:24:05investigation that happens before
3:24:07Chandler's actually sentenced, I guess,
3:24:09to assess assess his character or, you
3:24:11know, what is he like when he's in jail?
3:24:13And she's saying this PSI
3:24:16is different than one she's ever seen.
3:24:19Proceed, please. Oh my god, do you guys
3:24:20love learning?
3:24:21No, okay. So, your honor, um Dreamer
3:24:23just said, "I'm too stupid for court."
3:24:25for the seriousness of offense. talking
3:24:27about the victims and who they talking
3:24:29about the character of the defendant.
3:24:31Okay. Um, this PSI was kind of not your
3:24:33average PSI.
3:24:34We believe it.
3:24:35I've often said in serious sentencing
3:24:37that reading PSIs um is one of the most
3:24:40depressing things about my job. Oh.
3:24:42And that I really dislike it. Um,
3:24:45although what it does provide is a
3:24:46context to crime.
3:24:49Almost every homicide I've prosecuted,
3:24:52there's been a fairly tragic backstory
3:24:54of the defendant.
3:24:56Um, violence, drugs, um just tragedy.
3:25:01Jesus Christ, she's about to take him
3:25:03out.
3:25:04Not an excuse, but an explanation as to
3:25:07why a crime occurred. Why did this
3:25:0818-year-old kill a 17-year-old?
3:25:11Um you There's not an explanation here.
3:25:16Um Oh, no. Chandler grew up with a life
3:25:18of privilege by pretty much, I think,
3:25:21any sort of angle you look at it. He had
3:25:24two parents that were married
3:25:26and that seemed to be happily married.
3:25:29Um
3:25:30two parents that from all evidence were
3:25:32completely supportive.
3:25:34Um very sort of His dad was the den
3:25:37leader for Boy Scouts. Oh, my god. His
3:25:40parents attended every swim meet that he
3:25:43had.
3:25:44Um there's absolutely no
3:25:47evidence of abuse whatsoever Man.
3:25:50in this case.
3:25:52Chandler grew up with no housing
3:25:54insecurities. He never had Y'all ever
3:25:56think about your past and think about
3:25:58how you were like neglected or abused?
3:26:01And then sometimes like you get real sad
3:26:02about it, but then you think, "Damn,
3:26:05that [ __ ] gave me a lot of character. I
3:26:07would not be who I was
3:26:09the on this day if that girl had never
3:26:11called me that word on the playground or
3:26:13if this person had never backhanded me."
3:26:15[laughter]
3:26:15And you Y'all ever think about it and
3:26:17you're like,
3:26:18"You know, I can I can handle this. I
3:26:21can handle I Dude, I I like I Yeah.
3:26:29had to wonder where his next meal was
3:26:30coming from.
3:26:32And he was never exposed to any violence
3:26:34that we saw any evidence of or even
3:26:36really guns.
3:26:38Um the only tragedy, if you can even
3:26:40call it that, it's more really a part of
3:26:43life that I can that I that we saw that
3:26:46occurred to him during his childhood was
3:26:48he did lose his maternal grandparents.
3:26:51Oh, no. He went to good and safe
3:26:53schools. Oh, no.
3:26:55By all accounts, he had a supportive
3:26:56extended Oh, no.
3:26:58How many of you guys that are in your
3:27:00early 20s want in the chat if you've
3:27:02lost your grandparents. It is very hard.
3:27:06It is very hard, especially if you were
3:27:08raised by them. I have very strong
3:27:11relationship with my maternal
3:27:12grandparents. They're still alive, you
3:27:14know. I'm sure I'd be very sad
3:27:17if they passed away early in life, but I
3:27:20wouldn't, you know, choose to kill their
3:27:23children.
3:27:25That's the so
3:27:26I don't under
3:27:28Man, that's all that happened to
3:27:30Chandler. That's all that happened to
3:27:32Chandler. Any of you guys that have had
3:27:33significant trauma in your life that has
3:27:37made you feel like you were less than,
3:27:39worthless, sad, not understanding why,
3:27:42and you have fought through it and not
3:27:44done anything bad to people, I am so
3:27:46[ __ ] proud of you. I really, really
3:27:48am. So, I'm telling you, that trauma
3:27:50stuff, it'll really [ __ ] us up
3:27:51sometimes.
3:27:52It will really [ __ ] you up, but I'm
3:27:55really glad that you're keeping it all
3:27:56together. I know it's hard sometimes,
3:27:58but I'm glad I'm glad. I'm very glad. of
3:28:00myself right now. I'm proud of you. I'm
3:28:02proud of us. And [ __ ] Chandler
3:28:04Halderson. family that saw him often and
3:28:07a large network of family friends that
3:28:10considered themselves his family.
3:28:12He had numerous people that would drop
3:28:15everything to help him if it was needed.
3:28:19He never faced any sort of
3:28:20discrimination that I can find from any
3:28:22source. By pretty much every measure, he
3:28:25was a white male who had a childhood of
3:28:27privilege.
3:28:29The only potential criticism that anyone
3:28:31that we talked to, and we talked to well
3:28:33over 100 people,
3:28:35um was that perhaps his mother babied
3:28:37him a little too much or was a little
3:28:40too doting.
3:28:42As I often explain to my husband, that's
3:28:44what mothers do.
3:28:47[sighs]
3:28:47Damn. It is out of this life of
3:28:49privilege, this childhood
3:28:52that was nearly ideal, that he committed
3:28:53these crimes. It's also worth worth
3:28:56noting that these crimes were committed
3:28:58against these two individuals that
3:29:01provided this ideal childhood for him.
3:29:04The two people
3:29:04a little of the PSI.
3:29:06It's a good a good little bit of the
3:29:08PSI. She's going to talk a little bit
3:29:10about Barton Crister. You know what?
3:29:11Let's see what William Brown has to say
3:29:13because I
3:29:14William Brown's always giving us a
3:29:16little tip. And we'll listen to a little
3:29:17bit of William Brown and then possibly
3:29:19get into the judge's sentencing. Looks
3:29:20like the judge isn't going to rip him a
3:29:21new one, unfortunately.
3:29:24But it's fine. living in
3:29:27It's something I [clears throat] I
3:29:28should think about. One and well written
3:29:31submission by the defense. Comments on
3:29:32some of the other sentencing factors.
3:29:34I'm going to start with
3:29:36um the submission by the defense um
3:29:37which I thought was was
3:29:39well put together. and well written and
3:29:41included a an article law review article
3:29:44that I read with with great interest.
3:29:45Obviously, it concerns what I do for a
3:29:47living and um it's something I I should
3:29:49think about. One thing that before I
3:29:52start, I I do want to thank both the
3:29:53defense attorneys. I think they've done
3:29:57[laughter]
3:29:57I just want to thank everyone before we
3:29:59blow your client out of the [ __ ]
3:30:02water with a life sentence. public
3:30:04defenders and I've appreciated their
3:30:05presence and they've been nothing but
3:30:08respectful and and honorable in their
3:30:10task and and it was a hard job in in
3:30:12this case. But speaking especially to
3:30:15their
3:30:16submission today,
3:30:18Attorney Doral said something that stuck
3:30:19out to me as as absolutely true, which
3:30:21is one of the lines, which is it seems
3:30:23that people I'm quoting paraphrasing
3:30:25here
3:30:26believe that today is a foregone
3:30:27conclusion as to what the the outcome
3:30:29is. And I like her, I don't know that
3:30:31that's true. And I certainly don't think
3:30:33it's true with with you, Judge.
3:30:35Um I'll tell you that as a prosecutor, I
3:30:38I often prosecute homicides. And that's
3:30:40an unfortunate reality of of being a
3:30:42prosecutor in a in a city. Um people
3:30:45commit the crime of an intentional
3:30:46homicide. Um
3:30:48these hearings happen a a deal.
3:30:51My job [clears throat] is obviously to
3:30:53convict people if I believe they're
3:30:54guilty and and here obviously of course
3:30:55I believe
3:30:56Will, but let's keep it moving. a single
3:30:58day
3:30:59because he was caught lying about where
3:31:01he was working and going to school. Or
3:31:03perhaps just where he was going to
3:31:04school.
3:31:06It was uncomfortable probably that he
3:31:07was caught.
3:31:08I I will say a lot of it things that
3:31:11they kind of have to do is they really
3:31:12have to reiterate things here because
3:31:14there are so many days and weeks between
3:31:16the trial. I think that the guilty
3:31:18verdict was read out 2 weeks ago, but
3:31:20the sentencing just happened about 2
3:31:22days ago. So, they've kind of got to
3:31:24remind the jury and the judge a few
3:31:26things that have happened. That's why
3:31:27you and I are hearing a lot of
3:31:28repetitiveness in this. But, that's what
3:31:30I'm here for. I'm here to guide you.
3:31:33Committing it twice is even more
3:31:35my position that he should never be
3:31:36released from prison. Uh
3:31:37great
3:31:38he can come up with in his own mind
3:31:40whether it be today or down the road in
3:31:42many years.
3:31:43Nothing will ever explain it.
3:31:45His actions in in July of this year were
3:31:49Horrendous. evil. Yes. And for this
3:31:51generation and at this time, Mr.
3:31:53Halverson is the personification of evil
3:31:56in our community.
3:31:58He can work the rest of his life at
3:32:00trying to earn back the respect and
3:32:01trust and love of maybe some of his
3:32:03family and I hope he does that.
3:32:06But, that's a different thing than
3:32:07what's going on here today. Our question
3:32:09is whether Mr. Halverson should ever be
3:32:10released from prison and if so, when
3:32:12should he have that opportunity to Chat,
3:32:15life in prison or do you think that he
3:32:17should serve 30 years per murder with
3:32:20the possibility of parole?
3:32:23I'll give you you know, you can say life
3:32:24or you can say you know, double 30
3:32:26something like that. Um
3:32:29I am for sure of the opinion that this
3:32:31man should never be released. Yeah,
3:32:34life. This is
3:32:36I I don't think he can be rehabilitated
3:32:40because what symptom are we treating,
3:32:42right? When people go through extreme
3:32:44trauma or self-loathing or something
3:32:46like that and or or maybe they're like
3:32:48emotionally dysregulated and choose to
3:32:50go to violence. Well, that is a symptom
3:32:53that we can look at in therapy. It's all
3:32:55connected to, you know, an inciting
3:32:57event maybe early in their childhood.
3:32:59We've nothing for Chandler. There is
3:33:01nothing to treat. Um he should, in my
3:33:04opinion, be locked away for life.
3:33:06Uh he should not have a girlfriend. He
3:33:08should not
3:33:09He can't You can't even trust around his
3:33:11own family that loved him. These people
3:33:13loved him. This is what he does to
3:33:14people that love him.
3:33:16Ask.
3:33:18It's my position that he should never be
3:33:20released from prison.
3:33:20Mhm.
3:33:22That the mere possibility
3:33:24of his return to our community
3:33:28would shock the conscience of almost
3:33:29every citizen of this community.
3:33:32It would depreciate the seriousness of
3:33:34what he's done.
3:33:36It would cause extreme angst, animosity,
3:33:39probably for many
3:33:40to even feel that that's a possibility.
3:33:44We don't
3:33:45Do you think people who killed on death
3:33:47row should be tortured?
3:33:50What kind of question is that?
3:33:52I Dude, I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I
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3:34:46come what may. Leave them in the room.
3:34:48have a more serious punishment,
3:34:50but sometimes it's appropriate. And in
3:34:52this case, it's the state's position,
3:34:54it's my position, and it's my
3:34:55recommendation that Mr. Halterson spend
3:34:57the remainder of his life in prison,
3:34:59Thanks, Deborah.
3:34:59not be eligible for for parole at any
3:35:02point.
3:35:05Again,
3:35:06All right, let's do what he
3:35:07to point out right away.
3:35:09[clears throat]
3:35:10But we are asking that you do provide
3:35:11Chandler with the opportunity,
3:35:14the opportunity,
3:35:16to show to your honor that he is
3:35:18redeemable in the future.
3:35:19He's not. He's not.
3:35:20asking. He's not.
3:35:21effort of a number of people.
3:35:23All right. The court will
3:35:24guys. Time for the sentencing.
3:35:26tends to make a number of observations
3:35:28at sentencing hearings that are
3:35:30contested in which carry
3:35:32a good deal of weight, and I'm not going
3:35:34to depart from that process today.
3:35:42I first think it's important
3:35:45to acknowledge
3:35:48that
3:35:51the
3:35:53Acknowledge what? trial
3:35:56and the process within this case that
3:35:58brings us here today
3:36:02was the united effort of a number of
3:36:04people.
3:36:06And first and foremost, I want to
3:36:08recognize again the jurors, but not just
3:36:11those 12 people that rendered the
3:36:13verdicts here, but those alternates,
3:36:15those people that responded to the
3:36:17summons, especially given the time of
3:36:19year that this occurred,
3:36:21um and the concerns that were rife
3:36:23regarding individual health.
3:36:26Um
3:36:27We, um as
3:36:29by necessity, inconvenienced Ew. a
3:36:32number of citizens, and in the end,
3:36:35Yep. when I spoke to them, uh they had
3:36:37no regrets
3:36:39about their service. And that is because
3:36:42they understood that under our system,
3:36:44that is vital.
3:36:46And they understood that they had a duty
3:36:49to perform once selected. So, I thank
3:36:51them once again. I want to thank the
3:36:52bailiff staff who throughout those weeks
3:36:55of trial worked incredibly well in
3:36:58assisting the parties, the court, the
3:37:00witnesses, and the media.
3:37:03I want to thank the prosecution because
3:37:05I thought that the case that they
3:37:06presented was done efficiently,
3:37:09economically,
3:37:11but most importantly with due deference
3:37:14to the nature of the evidence,
3:37:16and the need
3:37:18to present that evidence in a manner
3:37:20which
3:37:22honored
3:37:23the people who were lost.
3:37:25Okay.
3:37:27We had a number of lay witnesses that
3:37:29came to court to testify.
3:37:31I assume
3:37:31to I want to keep going. I want to give
3:37:34through part of the beginning, but we'll
3:37:35get to the good part.
3:37:37willingly and testified
3:37:40here, and I appreciated their
3:37:43participation and
3:37:45the time that it took for them, again,
3:37:47under the circumstances, both as far as
3:37:49health and the nature of the proceedings
3:37:51and their testimony.
3:37:53Counsel mentioned that
3:37:56this crime caused a a rip in our
3:37:59community.
3:38:01[snorts]
3:38:01If there's one thing that's a positive
3:38:02coming out of this, I think that it is a
3:38:05demonstration to our community of the
3:38:08pride we should feel in our law
3:38:10enforcement.
3:38:11Vortex said, "I've been watching this
3:38:12for 5 hours. Am I doing okay, Vortex? Am
3:38:15I doing okay?" Yes, we are coming up on
3:38:165 hours.
3:38:17Ma'am, you know, I I just got to be real
3:38:21for a second. Sometimes I'm like,
3:38:22"Bones, don't say it on live stream cuz
3:38:23once you say it, it's out there
3:38:24forever."
3:38:26You know, when people are like,
3:38:28"I just can't believe that this
3:38:29happened. I don't know how this could
3:38:32have happened." It's because people are
3:38:34not ready to combat their societal norms
3:38:36of someone that looks like Chandler
3:38:38could possibly do this. When they say,
3:38:41"I just can't I I I don't know how this
3:38:44could have happened. I don't
3:38:45understand." It's cuz you you're
3:38:47programmed to think that somebody that
3:38:49looks like him wouldn't do this. And if
3:38:53you undo that programming, maybe you can
3:38:56accept it.
3:38:58Because there's a lot of people here
3:38:59that are not surprised.
3:39:01Like I like it it's cuz he looks like a
3:39:04nice little clean-cut boy. That's what
3:39:06his girlfriend thought, too. She's over
3:39:08here talking about some selfie. Let me
3:39:10see face and stuff. It's because he was
3:39:12a clean-cut, nice-looking boy. Period.
3:39:15That's what it was.
3:39:17pride we should feel in how they
3:39:19investigated this case and how they
3:39:21presented the evidence in this case. It
3:39:24can be anybody.
3:39:26Well, I I honestly think it put Dane
3:39:27County on the map through both the
3:39:29Justice Assist Department um efforts and
3:39:33the efforts of our local Sheriff's
3:39:34Department and other law enforcement
3:39:36agencies involved. It was um
3:39:39it was quite incredible.
3:39:41I also want to finally say something
3:39:43about the fact that
3:39:45[snorts]
3:39:46at every trial [clears throat] just
3:39:48about, I hear defense attorneys speaking
3:39:51to jurors in voir dire about the fact
3:39:54that
3:39:55the defendant has a right to a trial,
3:39:57the defendant does not have to prove
3:39:59anything, that the defendant does not
3:40:00have to testify. Sometimes its counsel
3:40:02will go to the extent of saying, "We
3:40:04don't have to do anything. It's the
3:40:05state's burden. It's the state's
3:40:07responsibility to carry the case
3:40:09forward, to prove its case beyond a
3:40:11reasonable doubt,
3:40:12and you should find the defendant
3:40:14He's explaining a bunch of stuff to us.
3:40:16Let's go ahead and at the benefit of
3:40:17reviewing all the pre-trial submissions
3:40:19by the parties community feel.
3:40:22He considered an attorney's ground or
3:40:24intensive thing.
3:40:27Oh, okay.
3:40:28I just saw the word I see the word
3:40:29mutilating bodies and I'm like, okay, go
3:40:31back. Go back.
3:40:37Okay.
3:40:40The gravity of the offense is as serious
3:40:42as it could be and I
3:40:44must not overlook, of course, the steps
3:40:46taken
3:40:47to hide the crime. Yes.
3:40:49The steps taken which
3:40:54if one ponders it,
3:40:56certainly makes the crime even worse if
3:40:58you could say that
3:41:01the Does he have an earring and a bow
3:41:03tie?
3:41:03murder of your parents is
3:41:05something that could be made worse.
3:41:09I've tried, even though I've had to
3:41:11examine carefully the evidence, not to
3:41:13think about it.
3:41:15Tried not to think about how
3:41:19or what steps were taken or how these
3:41:21things even took place.
3:41:25I don't wish to
3:41:27engage in that speculation at
3:41:30sentencing,
3:41:31but I recognize that
3:41:33the jury found Mr. Holderson guilty of
3:41:36mutilating both bodies, hiding both
3:41:38bodies, and
3:41:40presenting a story to law enforcement to
3:41:43try and lead them on a completely
3:41:45different path than what had actually
3:41:47occurred.
3:41:48And that he took steps in those actions
3:41:51which really robbed
3:41:56those people of dignity.
3:41:58Oh, he's Dude, he's so
3:42:01But fortunately, their dignity is in all
3:42:03here.
3:42:04In these people that remember them.
3:42:06These people that are here today. I am
3:42:09crying. Don't make me make cry.
3:42:12I appreciated learning more about them
3:42:15and my condolences go to every member of
3:42:18their family.
3:42:22[sighs]
3:42:26There's no foregone conclusions in
3:42:28sentencing.
3:42:30I've learned that since my time on the
3:42:31bench. I've learned that each case is
3:42:34different. Each case demands an
3:42:36individual examination.
3:42:38And sometimes I will confess I sit down
3:42:40not knowing what I'm going to do or not
3:42:42even certain which direction I'm
3:42:44leading. Yeah.
3:42:46So I appreciate all of the statements
3:42:48made by counsel here and in writing
3:42:51recognizing that
3:42:53uh the determination doesn't come until
3:42:55this point and nothing is foregone as
3:42:57far as a conclusion.
3:42:59[clears throat]
3:43:02I thought he was about to straight up
3:43:03cry.
3:43:06[snorts]
3:43:08This is the third individual
3:43:10okay.
3:43:11Pinky said judge daddy, not everyone has
3:43:14to be your y'all's daddy. This is like I
3:43:16feel like I feel like a single mom and I
3:43:18got two kids at home and anytime I bring
3:43:20a man over, it could be the delivery
3:43:21guy. My kids are like, "Daddy."
3:43:25I'm like, I swear I've raised them well.
3:43:27They just want to be loved.
3:43:29[laughter]
3:43:30for which I've had to make this
3:43:31determination.
3:43:35And
3:43:37similar to ADA Raymond's comments, I've
3:43:41had to sentence a host of other people
3:43:43up to this crime
3:43:45um
3:43:47where
3:43:49you can observe a lot in the background
3:43:51of the individual that
3:43:54you end up wishing hadn't been the case
3:43:56because they might not have come to the
3:43:57point if they had had a better
3:43:59foundation. Mhm.
3:44:02It is to Barton Krist's credit the
3:44:05foundation Mr. Halldorson enjoyed.
3:44:09And it does not explain what happened
3:44:11here.
3:44:13I And as everyone has discussed, there
3:44:15may be
3:44:17I'm sorry. He's being way too nice to
3:44:19Chandler here.
3:44:21Way way too way too nice. Dude, if I
3:44:25wasn't live, I would be doing the
3:44:27sentencing right now and it would be it
3:44:28would be
3:44:30much colder, sharper, faster than this.
3:44:33The ability to have rehabilitation
3:44:36throughout some course of time. And
3:44:38that's why the defense
3:44:39No, it's professional. Okay, you're
3:44:40right. I'm kept in mind as to
3:44:44the determination of eligibility for
3:44:45parole.
3:44:50But in all honesty, I must say that as a
3:44:52as a wiser judge indicated to me once
3:44:58you should sentence people not because
3:45:01of your anger
3:45:04if indeed
3:45:07you're fearful
3:45:08of them. Yeah, I'm I'm I'm scared of
3:45:11Chandler. Sorry.
3:45:12the same standards for both.
3:45:13And I don't mean this as like a Oh no,
3:45:15sir. You have so much power. I'm scared
3:45:17of you because you
3:45:20Clearly, like you just you're just like
3:45:23Chandler is literally the definition of
3:45:24a person that chooses violence in the
3:45:26morning. Okay? Like you just go away.
3:45:28Just go away. Okay? I'm not not into it.
3:45:30I don't want I don't want to deal with
3:45:31it.
3:45:35I cannot conceive
3:45:39of a way to fulfill my duty to protect
3:45:41the public that I serve.
3:45:43Were I to perceive that at some point in
3:45:46time an individual who committed this
3:45:48offense
3:45:49judges. should be released back into
3:45:51that public.
3:45:53I cannot grant to Mr. Halderson the
3:45:56generosity of spirit and empathy that
3:45:58his grandmother has for him.
3:46:02Empathy which his own parents would
3:46:04surely have had Yes.
3:46:07were he just owned up to what he had
3:46:10deceived them about.
3:46:12I cannot say to the community here in
3:46:15this room or at large in this county
3:46:22that Mr. Halderson should have the
3:46:24ability to be reviewed and considered
3:46:26for release back in our community at any
3:46:29point despite his young age at this
3:46:32point in his life.
3:46:34The gravity of these offenses and the
3:46:37need to protect the public outweigh
3:46:40the potential that there could be that
3:46:43at some future point
3:46:46he should have
3:46:48presence among us. That is not to say
3:46:50that he may not have
3:46:52possibility of presence
3:46:54as a member of his family in the future.
3:46:55That is up to those folks and that's
3:46:56mentioned in
3:46:58the defense
3:47:09memorandum regarding
3:47:12a hope that someday there might be
3:47:17a reconstruction of a relationship.
3:47:20That's all well and good. I would wish
3:47:22that for any Guys, just a heads-up, we
3:47:24are coming up on the end of talking
3:47:26about Chandler Halderson. This has been
3:47:27going on for about 3 hours, but my God,
3:47:29I've got to admit and you know what? I
3:47:31think Vortex said it too. It's been
3:47:32pretty interesting. We still got a
3:47:34little bit left in the sentencing here.
3:47:36We're going to clean it up, but after
3:47:38this, I am going to take a little break
3:47:40cuz we are doing a 12-hour stream, but
3:47:42you know what? I'm new to this, you
3:47:43know, I'm just a little baby. I'm going
3:47:44to take me a break for an hour.
3:47:46While I'm gone for an hour, I'm going to
3:47:47put on a JCS video. If you guys didn't
3:47:50know, like almost 2 years ago, JCS
3:47:52actually gave us permission to stream
3:47:54their videos on Twitch. So, I feel
3:47:56pretty confident leaving that on while
3:47:57I'm gone. I'm going to go grab a little
3:47:59decaf coffee, eat some food. We're going
3:48:01to watch after this what pretending to
3:48:04be crazy looks like. How many mods do I
3:48:06have in chat? I'm going to need at least
3:48:08two people to keep it together.
3:48:10[laughter]
3:48:11We'll leave that on, but we'll finish
3:48:13this up first. Just letting you guys
3:48:14know what's coming up next.
3:48:16anyone because I don't like
3:48:19telling his grandmother that I'm not
3:48:21able to give her We'll watch I Survived
3:48:24together after. asking for here out of
3:48:26her love
3:48:27for her grandson.
3:48:29I cannot do that.
3:48:31I have to for this sentence ensure that
3:48:34the only time Mr. Halderson comes back
3:48:36into the community
3:48:38is to
3:48:39have the privilege of a burial that he
3:48:41denied his parents.
3:48:45And so, on counts one and five
3:48:48per stat- per statute, I sentence him to
3:48:50life in prison and pursuant to section
3:48:53973.014
3:48:55sub 1G3,
3:48:57I find that he is not
3:49:01He just fired that off. He just He just
3:49:03straight up was like
3:49:06Hold on.
3:49:06regarding
3:49:09a hope that someday there might be
3:49:13a reconstruction of a relationship.
3:49:17That's all well and good. I would wish
3:49:18that for anyone because I don't like
3:49:22telling his grandmother that I'm not
3:49:24able to give her the relief that she's
3:49:27asking for here out of her love
3:49:30for her grandson. No.
3:49:32do that.
3:49:33I have to for this sentence ensure that
3:49:36the only time Mr. Halderson comes back
3:49:39into the community
3:49:40is to
3:49:42have the privilege of a burial that he
3:49:43denied his parents.
3:49:47And so, on counts one and five
3:49:50per stat- per statute, I sentence him to
3:49:53life in prison
3:49:54and pursuant to section 973.014 sub 1G3,
3:49:59I find
3:50:00called in the courtroom today and we're
3:50:03here for it.
3:50:06The only time that he thinks that
3:50:08Chandler Halderson should walk amongst
3:50:10society is when he's being
3:50:13buried. So, I guess he wouldn't be
3:50:15walking. He'd just be carried out into
3:50:17society. That's it.
3:50:19It's a It's a cold world out there,
3:50:22y'all. It's a cold world.
3:50:24to say the least, but at the same time,
3:50:26I absolutely acknowledge
3:50:29that we may be in a completely different
3:50:31position here All right, I need one more
3:50:33mod, guys. committed the acts of
3:50:35homicide, but then stopped
3:50:38and took other steps to accept
3:50:40responsibility
3:50:41and sought forgiveness posted
3:50:44of everyone. Mhm.
3:50:47Because what happens with a weapon in a
3:50:50moment of panic is different than what
3:50:53happened over those 48 to 72 hours.
3:50:59The events of which I don't wish to
3:51:01think of or consider once again, having
3:51:03listened to the evidence and observed
3:51:05the testimony.
3:51:06Uh and the uh the physical evidence.
3:51:10So, uh to make this quite simple, I will
3:51:13impose maximum terms concurrent to each
3:51:16other and concurrent to counts one and
3:51:18five on each of the other counts within
3:51:21the information of which the verdict
3:51:22convicted Mr. Halderson. I do believe
3:51:25that
3:51:29by imposing the maximum, I'm recognizing
3:51:31the severity of those individual acts,
3:51:34but
3:51:38there is a life sentence here, so making
3:51:40them consecutive is does not undermine
3:51:43the gravity of that given the maximum
3:51:45penalty involved.
3:51:49I determined, by my calculation, 253
3:51:52days of credit. Rob said, you've made my
3:51:54work day fun as [ __ ] Thank you. Too.
3:51:55Thank you. Oh, wait, we're just getting
3:51:57to the tail end of it. I want to see him
3:51:59walk off. Okay. The judgment of
3:52:00conviction. Witness fee to be payable.
3:52:05Supervision.
3:52:06Zero restitution. Of the 24 of the
3:52:08pre-sentence as to those sentence. So,
3:52:11that point is moot. Nora Raymond, did I
3:52:13overlook anything in passing judgment?
3:52:15No. No. Judge him. Judge away.
3:52:17Dorrell, did I overlook anything other
3:52:19than addressing post conviction? No.
3:52:22Mr. Halderson, you have the absolute
3:52:23right to seek an appeal. You have 20
3:52:25days within which to start that process
3:52:28as through filing a notice of intent.
3:52:29Of course, he's going to try to file an
3:52:31appeal.
3:52:32Um we have on file the notice that you
3:52:35understand and have been given notice
3:52:37of that right and most importantly of
3:52:39that deadline. Your signature's on that
3:52:41document. That'll be placed within the
3:52:44file here.
3:52:46I thank everyone for being here today.
3:52:47Thank you. We are adjourned. Thank you.
3:52:51Oh, he ready to get out of there, huh?
3:52:53Don't get up too fast, Chandler. We
3:52:55don't trust you.
3:52:59Dude, also
3:53:02man, Chandler really ain't going to have
3:53:04fun in prison. I don't think.
3:53:07Mans did not think this far. He truly
3:53:09did not. He's about to have
3:53:13the worst time of his life.

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