Gay Conservative Challenges Shapiro on Gay Marriage — Transcript

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1. 0:00welcome back is the Ben Shapiro show
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3. 0:02five five to thirty six thirty to twenty
4. 0:04eight that's eight five five to thirty
5. 0:06six thirty to twenty eight Mario in
6. 0:07California you're on the bench pure
7. 0:08struggle for Mario hey how's it going
8. 0:12hey go for it sir so I have a few
9. 0:16questions I guess one is how has been
10. 0:18defined and I think it was Michael knows
11. 0:20moles who claims on your show ammonia
12. 0:22subbing in one day that homosexuality is
13. 0:25the deadliest of all sin so I was just
14. 0:27curious as to why homosexuality would be
15. 0:29propped up and labeled as the deadliest
16. 0:30thing as opposed to like murder so on a
17. 0:32fairly certain yeah so so I'm fairly
18. 0:34certain that that is not what he
19. 0:37actually said I think well I think well
20. 0:38I think what you're referring to is
21. 0:40Michael mole said that pride is the
22. 0:41deadliest sin right not gay pride just
23. 0:43pride generally and so you said that any
24. 0:45aspect in which you are sinning and then
25. 0:47you are prideful about your sin is the
26. 0:49deadliest sin so he wasn't saying that
27. 0:50like if you're prideful about being a
28. 0:51murderer presumably that would be
29. 0:53according to Knowles the deadly sin I I
30. 0:54really really do I mean I know my pretty
31. 0:56well I really don't think Michael thinks
32. 0:58that of all these sins that human beings
33. 1:00can commit homosexuality homosexual
34. 1:02activity is the deadliest sin by any
35. 1:04stretch by the way I think you're hard
36. 1:05pressed to find any religious figure who
37. 1:07actually believes that homosexual
38. 1:08activity is the deadliest of all sin I
39. 1:09mean even even the people who are super
40. 1:12anti-gay activity people who think that
41. 1:15it's a real sin I mean that the
42. 1:17perspective of religious people that
43. 1:18I've found is that I mean everybody sins
44. 1:21this is one sin among many sins that the
45. 1:24entire chapter in Leviticus that talks
46. 1:26about homosexual activity lists off 45
47. 1:30different types of sexual activity that
48. 1:31are banned right not 45 but it's a it's
49. 1:33more like at least a dozen maybe a
50. 1:35couple of dozen right you're not
51. 1:36supposed sleep with your aunt you're not
52. 1:37supposed to sleep with animals you're
53. 1:38not supposed to sleep with your father's
54. 1:40wife rightly there's like a bunch of
55. 1:41them and homosexual activity is just one
56. 1:43of many so they say that it's like
57. 1:45ranked higher on the scale of sin that I
58. 1:47don't think Michael has ever said in
59. 1:48order I think Michael maintains that
60. 1:49what he has said is that if you are
61. 1:51running around shouting about how you
62. 1:52are proud that you are committing what
63. 1:55is a biblical sin then that would be a
64. 1:57weird thing to do no matter what the
65. 1:58biblical scent is so I just want to be
66. 2:00fair to Michael who I mean let's be real
67. 2:01about this Michaels the worst but I
68. 2:02don't think that Michael actually said
69. 2:04that right Mario okay so is it because
70. 2:08of that pride that you think that there
71. 2:10is a particular resentment for
72. 2:11homosexuality and religious groups or
73. 2:13and what
74. 2:13people like me who like I'm a gay
75. 2:15conservative so like what can people
76. 2:17like me do who maybe don't prescribe to
77. 2:19a lot of the different things that come
78. 2:21along with you know the LGBT community
79. 2:23the hook-up culture the drugs and me
80. 2:25know first of all I'm not sure that
81. 2:28anybody should be particularly proud of
82. 2:29the sex that they are having okay so
83. 2:35it's it's oh it's it's one part of your
84. 2:38life right I mean it's it just as my
85. 2:39sexual relationship with my wife is one
86. 2:41part of my life
87. 2:43some people consider that sinful some
88. 2:44people consider that not sinful and
89. 2:46frankly you know I'm not sure why you
90. 2:47should care what what I have to say
91. 2:49about it right I mean like if I may not
92. 2:51like your perspective you may not like
93. 2:53mine as long as I'm not attempting to
94. 2:54cram down my perspective via the power
95. 2:55of government then I don't see why there
96. 2:57really should be a conflict on all of
97. 2:58this I mean when we're talking politics
98. 3:00specifically we are talking about the
99. 3:01role of the federal government or the
100. 3:03role of the state government in policing
101. 3:05particular activity I don't know a
102. 3:08single Republican in America really I
103. 3:10mean is it there they may exist I mean
104. 3:12I'm not saying they don't exist I'm sure
105. 3:13their son but I don't know any
106. 3:14Republicans right now who are calling
107. 3:16for the outlawing of gay sex for example
108. 3:19like that I think went by the wayside in
109. 3:22Lawrence vs Texas I mean in terms of
110. 3:24Supreme Court law which was 2003 so it's
111. 3:27been it's been quite a while here so as
112. 3:29far as sort of the generalized
113. 3:31perspective on why so many consumers are
114. 3:34upset about it I think conservatives are
115. 3:36upset about a couple of things when it
116. 3:37comes to when it comes to sort of the
117. 3:39gay pride movement one is the suggestion
118. 3:41that homosexual marriage and
119. 3:43heterosexual marriage are identical and
120. 3:44the same and work the same in terms of
121. 3:46moral value and that is a critique with
122. 3:48which I generally agree I think that
123. 3:49homosexual relationships are not built
124. 3:51around the bearing and rearing of
125. 3:52children whereas heterosexual
126. 3:54relationships ideally we're supposed to
127. 3:55be for that matter by the way not all
128. 3:56heterosexual relationships are created
129. 3:58equal
130. 3:58right this is why I am not in favor of
131. 4:00men and women living together in
132. 4:02so-called said right as a religious
133. 4:03person so so that I think people
134. 4:05disagree with I think the idea that we
135. 4:08that religious people are to be that
136. 4:12their children are to be forced by the
137. 4:13state to be taught this particular
138. 4:15version of sexual values namely that any
139. 4:17value that sexual consent is the only
140. 4:19value that's something the religious
141. 4:21people don't believe right religious
142. 4:22people believe that consent is a value
143. 4:24but it is not the only value meaning
144. 4:25there's lots of things people can sense
145. 4:27you
146. 4:27that on a religious level I object to
147. 4:29and think is a problem but when it comes
148. 4:31to government then we all agree then
149. 4:32then we generally agree that consensus
150. 4:34is the typical value that matters the
151. 4:36most Mario yeah okay so sorry to bog up
152. 4:41the line but outside of politics then
153. 4:43unlike the cultural level and in
154. 4:45personal relationships with what might
155. 4:47be the best way for me to I don't know
156. 4:50exactly what the question is yeah no I
157. 4:53mean I think that the if the question is
158. 4:54you know are religious people sitting in
159. 4:56judgment on you and judging you and
160. 4:57making fun of you behind your back or
161. 4:58something I don't think that's right I
162. 5:00really don't I mean and not if they're
163. 5:02good ready but let me put it that way I
164. 5:03think that well you know I'm not gonna
165. 5:05play the I'm not gonna play the I have
166. 5:06gay friends card cuz it's stupid but the
167. 5:08reality is that most but the reality is
168. 5:10the most religious people and most
169. 5:12conservative people know people who are
170. 5:13gay and they and even if they believe
171. 5:15that the homosexual activity itself is a
172. 5:18sin I know tons of people who are
173. 5:19sinners I'm a sinner we're all sinners
174. 5:21I've yet to meet a religious person who
175. 5:22doesn't believe that we all sin and then
176. 5:24the question is how you deal with that
177. 5:26sin and I don't actually have to you
178. 5:28know believe that what you're doing is
179. 5:29not a sin in order to say that you're
180. 5:31human being who's trying is best and and
181. 5:33a human being who's trying to do what
182. 5:35what you know they feel is right in life
183. 5:38and we can disagree on sin that's that's
184. 5:40okay and you don't you can't force me to
185. 5:42think that what you're doing is not
186. 5:42sinful and I can't force you to agree
187. 5:45that you ought to see some particular
188. 5:47activity via force of government yeah I
189. 5:49think it's difficult to feel like you're
190. 5:51fighting against resentment from certain
191. 5:53people but outside of that I'm not gonna
192. 5:55bog out the line anymore
193. 5:56yeah no I mean Mario I would say all I
194. 5:57would say is that I don't religious
195. 5:59people say this all the time and it is
196. 6:01actually true religious people resent
197. 6:03sin they do not resent the sinner and if
198. 6:05they resent the sinner and not the sin
199. 6:07then they're not being religious they're
200. 6:09actually violating the precepts of their
201. 6:10own religion and you can ask any pastor
202. 6:12a priest about this they would agree any
203. 6:13rabbi same thing okay really appreciate
204. 6:15it Mario thanks so much okay let's see
205. 6:17who else Matthew in Fredericksburg
206. 6:19you're on the bench pure struggle for
207. 6:21Matthew yes so I'm obviously living in
208. 6:26Virginia and we're going through our in
209. 6:28our government here all the gun laws
210. 6:30that are trying to pass gun control laws
211. 6:32and so forth I'm curious as if you know
212. 6:36how much after all this has said and
213. 6:40that the federal government could step
214. 6:42in and try to stop this infringement on
215. 6:45our Second Amendment so I think that it
216. 6:47is quite unlikely that the federal
217. 6:49government has the ability to step in
218. 6:51too much with regard to Virginia gun
219. 6:53laws it's up to the Supreme Court
220. 6:54unfortunately and theoretically you
221. 6:56could have the federal government pass
222. 6:58concealed carry reciprocity for example
223. 7:00and suggest that the privileges and
224. 7:01immunities Clause applies to gun
225. 7:03ownership that if you have a gun license
226. 7:04in one state you should be able to carry
227. 7:05that across state lines into another
228. 7:06state that could be done at the federal
229. 7:08level but I don't think that the federal
230. 7:10army is going to be sent in in order to
231. 7:12stop the stop the state of Virginia from
232. 7:16passing gun law I mean there's there's
233. 7:18effective gun law in California and New
234. 7:20York and Massachusetts all over the
235. 7:21country so unfortunately it's gonna have
236. 7:23to be fought out at the state level
237. 7:25Matthew which by the way is probably
238. 7:26where it should be fought out I mean
239. 7:27people tend to forget that the
240. 7:28Constitution of the United States
241. 7:29originally applied only the federal
242. 7:30government the Second Amendment there
243. 7:32may be a provision in the fet in the
244. 7:33Virginia State Constitution about gun
245. 7:34ownership I actually don't know the
246. 7:36Virginia Constitution all that well but
247. 7:38on the federal level the the the powers
248. 7:41that were prevented from government on
249. 7:42the federal level were prevented from
250. 7:44governments on the federal level that
251. 7:45didn't necessarily mean they were
252. 7:46prevented from government on the state
253. 7:47level right yeah and of course we don't
254. 7:49want to you know a government that just
255. 7:52comes in and they ever say every time
256. 7:53they don't like something and intervene
257. 7:55right we don't want that right exactly
258. 7:56maybe we have to opt for it we just have
259. 7:57to do harder work at the state level and
260. 7:59it seems like people in Virginia are
261. 8:00doing that by the way I think that the
262. 8:02the fight back against gun control in
263. 8:04Virginia will in the end be successful
264. 8:05there are too many gun owners and too
265. 8:07many people who leaving gun rights in
266. 8:08Virginia to for that to end any
267. 8:10differently Ian in Thousand Oaks
268. 8:12California on the bench of druglord Ian
269. 8:15fan of yours but I don't necessarily
270. 8:18agree with your stance on the Beatles
271. 8:21and I was wondering if you would be
272. 8:23willing to change your opinion on John
273. 8:25Lennon's song imagine no maybe I'd be
274. 8:33willing to hear I'd be willing to hear a
275. 8:34case but I cannot say I will find that
276. 8:35case convincing nor that I will take it
277. 8:37particularly seriously it's a horrible
278. 8:39horrible song it is a pretentious
279. 8:40ridiculous song it's suggestion that if
280. 8:43you imagine a world without borders
281. 8:44religion or heaven that this would
282. 8:46suddenly make things better that's just
283. 8:48the Soviet Union no borders no religion
284. 8:50no have
285. 8:51Brotherhood of man except for the
286. 8:52several tens of millions of people we're
287. 8:54going to have to murder in order to
288. 8:55effectuate that end it's a horrible song
289. 8:57it's just a horrible song in I
290. 8:59appreciate the call but I do appreciate
291. 9:00your optimism that you thought that I
292. 9:01would actually go for that already
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