Gary Peacock vs. Pierce Kempton FULL BODYCAM — Transcript

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1. 0:00You don't get to open their door.
2. 0:01I didn't open his door.
3. 0:02You did three times.
4. 0:03No, he was trying to close his door.
5. 0:06He closed it because you kept opening
6. 0:07it. All you want me to do is arrest him
7. 0:09and take him to jail.
8. 0:10I want him I was hoping he
9. 0:12Your word alone.
10. 0:13Yeah. And I'd be willing to come to
11. 0:15court or somebody.
12. 0:16Do you want me to arrest him?
13. 0:17Can he be arrested? So then I can later.
14. 0:21Can I call the district attorney and
15. 0:23press charges? Really? Do I have to go
16. 0:25to court for this?
17. 0:27You're kidding me. Yeah.
18. 0:29All right.
19. 0:32Are you separate separate sides of the
20. 0:34parties?
21. 0:34Yes.
22. 0:34Okay. If you'll stand over there by
23. 0:36those those
24. 0:37cars complaining party.
25. 0:38Fantastic.
26. 0:39Can I tell you what happened?
27. 0:40Fantastic. Will you go stand over there
28. 0:41for a second? I appreciate it.
29. 0:46Over by the the cars. I don't want you
30. 0:47guys in here shot of each other cuz it
31. 0:50just amps things up.
32. 0:52Don't let him leave. He tried to leave
33. 0:54already.
34. 0:55Sir, I'm right here. Thank you.
35. 1:003K27. Copy plate.
36. 1:07Tango 953 kilo golf. All right. Do you
37. 1:11have some ID on you?
38. 1:12I do, sir.
39. 1:22Negative. I'm K for. How about you? Were
40. 1:25you involved? I I literally just came
41. 1:28here. We were going to skate.
42. 1:29Okay. All right. Let me go talk to him,
43. 1:33find out what his complaint is,
44. 1:35and I'll come back and talk to you.
45. 1:36Okay. You're not free to leave at this
46. 1:38point.
47. 1:38I won't leave. And then
48. 1:40as far as my ID goes, are you going to
49. 1:43identify me to him?
50. 1:45No. This is
51. 1:46for you to identify to me.
52. 1:48Okay. I was wondering. Nope.
53. 1:57Okay. My first responsibility is to get
54. 2:00everyone away so it doesn't keep amping
55. 2:02up.
56. 2:02Yes. Okay.
57. 2:02Okay. So, I get you're the complainant,
58. 2:05but you he's standing at his car with
59. 2:07his door open.
60. 2:08Yeah.
61. 2:08I'm not going to let him leave.
62. 2:10He tried to leave.
63. 2:11I know, but I'm I'm here.
64. 2:13Okay, fine.
65. 2:14And so for you to get a little upset
66. 2:16with me and tell me
67. 2:17I'm sorry. I was just walking away. I
68. 2:19wanted to make sure you heard me. I'm
69. 2:21sorry I yelled. Okay. Do you have some
70. 2:23ID on you?
71. 2:24Yeah.
72. 2:30So, what happened?
73. 2:32What happened is I'm just riding my bike
74. 2:35in the bike zone in right here.
75. 2:38Mhm.
76. 2:38And this guy comes within, you know, a
77. 2:41foot of me just total. I ride my bike
78. 2:44for 30 years. I know when somebody
79. 2:45either doesn't see me or is trying to or
80. 2:48doesn't care. So he pulled into this
81. 2:51parking lot. So I came by and I said,
82. 2:53"Did you see me?" And he says, "Well, I
83. 2:56saw you on the right." And I said,
84. 2:57"Well, you were too close to me." "No, I
85. 3:00wasn't." He says he has a dash cam.
86. 3:02Okay.
87. 3:02So you should take I He said he was
88. 3:04recording it. I doubt if he was, but you
89. 3:06can. Did he mention that he had a dash
90. 3:09cam?
91. 3:09I haven't even talked to him yet.
92. 3:11Okay. So So then I came over and I said,
93. 3:13"What's your name?"
94. 3:14Try try and
95. 3:16I get It's emotional.
96. 3:17Okay. It is. I'm
97. 3:19John. He said, I said, "What's your last
98. 3:20name?" "I'm not going to tell you." I
99. 3:22said, "Well, I have your license plate."
100. 3:25Dude, I'm leaving.
101. 3:28I'm going to the skate park. And I said,
102. 3:29"No, you're not leaving. I'm calling the
103. 3:31police." He said, "I'm leaving." And he
104. 3:34tried to push me out of the car. I
105. 3:36pushed him back to try to keep him in
106. 3:38the car.
107. 3:39But he tried to get out of the car. I
108. 3:40said, "No, you're not getting out of the
109. 3:42car till the police came." So, you came.
110. 3:46Uh, and then this other guy comes
111. 3:48and he's standing here and these two
112. 3:50are, you know, they're obviously
113. 3:53friends. So, I'm getting more and more
114. 3:55concerned that there's two teenagers
115. 3:57here and me alone. I'm 73 years old.
116. 4:00Okay.
117. 4:01But yeah, so that's everything that
118. 4:03happened. The guy uh I thought he was
119. 4:06too aggressive.
120. 4:08Okay.
121. 4:08On the road and then he wouldn't give me
122. 4:10his name.
123. 4:11Okay.
124. 4:12Well,
125. 4:14I was going to report him to the police.
126. 4:16I I understand that.
127. 4:17He just gave me his last name and his
128. 4:20his uh license, I would have just
129. 4:22reported.
130. 4:23He's not obligated to give his
131. 4:25information to you. He is obligated to
132. 4:26give them to me.
133. 4:27Okay.
134. 4:28If if I if I'm able to determine a
135. 4:30crime,
136. 4:31okay?
137. 4:32Well, I'm making a complaint that he was
138. 4:34within 3 ft of me.
139. 4:35Just hang.
140. 4:36Okay.
141. 4:38Don't don't fight me on this. Okay. I'm
142. 4:40just trying to get the information. Yes.
143. 4:42And I'm explaining why he might not want
144. 4:44to give his information to you who's
145. 4:47upset. Obviously,
146. 4:50if if he cut that close to you, by all
147. 4:53means, you'd be upset. But don't come
148. 4:55over here and instigate a fight. You get
149. 4:58his plate number and we can track him
150. 4:59down like it's nobody's business. Okay?
151. 5:01I I don't believe that's ever going to
152. 5:03happen. But it could happen. But I'm
153. 5:05just saying generally you guys are going
154. 5:07to say no way to prove that he was 3 ft
155. 5:09in front of you or or close to you.
156. 5:12Sorry, we can't do anything.
157. 5:13You're right. It is difficult to prove
158. 5:15cuz I wasn't there to witness it. So
159. 5:16that's what I wanted. It's your witness.
160. 5:18I I understand that. But if you start a
161. 5:21fight over something that happened out
162. 5:23there, you're now to blame on that.
163. 5:25I didn't start a fight. I just I'm just
164. 5:27saying
165. 5:28you said
166. 5:29do I have a right to keep him to leave
167. 5:30when I believe that he had a criminal uh
168. 5:33traffic violation?
169. 5:35Traffic is not criminal. It's an
170. 5:37infraction. It's not criminal.
171. 5:38But I don't have the right to keep him
172. 5:39here.
173. 5:40No, you call us and we we do that.
174. 5:43Well, I did, but he was leaving.
175. 5:46But you let him leave because
176. 5:49it's not worth if if it starts getting
177. 5:52physical, then what? I have to assume
178. 5:54worst case situation.
179. 5:56Then he goes to jail for hitting me.
180. 5:58Unless you started and then you go to
181. 5:59jail.
182. 5:59I didn't hit him.
183. 6:00So you already told me that you kind of
184. 6:02he was trying to leave you and that
185. 6:04right there kept him from leaving the
186. 6:05car. But he was touching me also.
187. 6:07Okay.
188. 6:09I'm I'm only going off of what you've
189. 6:11told me.
190. 6:11I'm standing in front of the door and
191. 6:12he's trying to push me through like this
192. 6:14and I'm telling no, you're not leaving.
193. 6:17So So
194. 6:19ask him if he tried to leave when I was
195. 6:20in front of the door. Okay. Go ahead.
196. 6:22Hang hang tight. I get you're upset.
197. 6:24You're directly involved. Emotions are
198. 6:26high.
199. 6:27What can we do about this kind of case
200. 6:29where a teenage driver is being
201. 6:31negligent and can kill somebody?
202. 6:33There are people killed in Park City
203. 6:36every year from negligent drivers. And
204. 6:38I've been hit by a car twice already.
205. 6:40Okay.
206. 6:41Okay. So, yes, I'm very sensitive.
207. 6:44Just ride my bike. I don't want any
208. 6:45trouble. But when I
209. 6:46Do you want me to let you vent or do you
210. 6:48do you want want an answer to your
211. 6:49question?
212. 6:50I would like to know what you can do
213. 6:51about this. Can I can I make a lodge a
214. 6:54complaint?
215. 6:54Absolutely. You already did.
216. 6:56But you didn't. I'm here. But then what?
217. 6:58You You come here. You get his license
218. 7:00plate.
219. 7:01Yeah.
220. 7:01And you say, "Don't leave. I have the
221. 7:03cops coming."
222. 7:04Yeah.
223. 7:04And if he leaves, so what? Because I
224. 7:07will go find him.
225. 7:08Okay.
226. 7:09Okay. I know you don't believe that.
227. 7:11But I didn't know that. But okay.
228. 7:12I I told you I told you that just a
229. 7:14minute ago, and you're like, "And I
230. 7:15don't believe that
231. 7:15time."
232. 7:16Oh, okay.
233. 7:17Okay. So that's the better way rather
234. 7:19than coming here and adding to the
235. 7:22situation.
236. 7:23I didn't have his license plate. There's
237. 7:25no way for me to get his license plate.
238. 7:27You drove in here, right?
239. 7:28Yes. But generally just drive off.
240. 7:31Okay. Once once he drives off, there's
241. 7:33You're right.
242. 7:34I just want to admonish him for coming
243. 7:36too close to me.
244. 7:37Okay. Well, that's not your job.
245. 7:40Okay. And I I know. And trust me, I feel
246. 7:44you.
247. 7:44You ride a bike?
248. 7:45Absolutely.
249. 7:46A road bike. Absolutely. I feel you when
250. 7:49somebody almost hits you.
251. 7:50Okay. Do you want to do you want to vent
252. 7:51or do you want
253. 7:52I'm just asking questions.
254. 7:53I know. I'm trying. You ask me what do I
255. 7:55do? And I'm I'm trying to tell you how
256. 7:57we want you to handle it.
257. 7:59Yes.
258. 7:59Cuz I don't want to come out here and
259. 8:01have a fight or worse a murder because
260. 8:03he doesn't like your aggressive tone.
261. 8:05We have a case in Wasatch right now
262. 8:07about road rage where a guy is dead. Is
263. 8:10it worth
264. 8:11being a close call and you end up dead
265. 8:13here because he does something? I'm not
266. 8:15saying he's going to.
267. 8:17That's the worst case that I come
268. 8:18looking for.
269. 8:19But let me ask you this.
270. 8:20So, no, no, no, no, no, no. I want you
271. 8:22to answer my question for a second.
272. 8:23Yeah.
273. 8:24Is that the Is is it worth it being dead
274. 8:27over proving a point because you want to
275. 8:28admonish him?
276. 8:30Is it not worth being dead?
277. 8:32I agree. But, however,
278. 8:35are we going to just let people that
279. 8:38have any kind of infraction, we call it
280. 8:40an infraction, an infraction, just go
281. 8:43and do it again unless somebody
282. 8:46reprimands him or somebody
283. 8:47Do you want me to arrest him?
284. 8:49Can he be arrested?
285. 8:50Do you want me to arrest you off his
286. 8:52statement?
287. 8:53No.
288. 8:53You wouldn't appreciate that, right?
289. 8:55No.
290. 8:55So, we have to operate on evidence,
291. 8:57right?
292. 8:58And I get that it's very tricky.
293. 8:59Well, he has evidence cuz he recorded
294. 9:01it. I get it's and I'm gonna ask I
295. 9:03haven't even talked to him yet
296. 9:04because you were so worked up. I wanted
297. 9:06to get his ID and then come over here
298. 9:07and talk to you.
299. 9:08Okay.
300. 9:09Okay.
301. 9:10I'm here to calm down.
302. 9:12I'm here in the middle of this trying to
303. 9:13sort it out and all you want me to do is
304. 9:14arrest him and take him to jail.
305. 9:16I want him I was hoping your word alone.
306. 9:19Yeah. And I'd be willing to come to
307. 9:21court and have somebody listen to my
308. 9:23side and his side and decide.
309. 9:25And there's a time and a place, but here
310. 9:26in the parking lot's not the time or the
311. 9:28place.
312. 9:28Okay.
313. 9:29Okay.
314. 9:30Yeah. So, and I get that often times
315. 9:32they just keep driving and you can't you
316. 9:34can't get their license plate, but where
317. 9:37you did
318. 9:37Yeah.
319. 9:38You saw them pull in here.
320. 9:39Only times I've ever been able to catch
321. 9:41somebody that has been unsafe.
322. 9:43So, don't add fuel to the fire. The fire
323. 9:47already happened and it's still burning
324. 9:49and it's hot. It's in your heart and you
325. 9:51want
326. 9:52you want justice.
327. 9:53My adrenaline's flowing. You know, I'm
328. 9:56trembling because you know the police
329. 9:58are here.
330. 9:58Even if he leaves. Yeah.
331. 10:02So be it. Had you Have you just let him
332. 10:05He He parked. Cool. Typically, people go
333. 10:07to a parking lot. They're not going
334. 10:08anywhere for a minute.
335. 10:11Ride in here. Remember which car it is.
336. 10:13Let him go about his business.
337. 10:16Okay.
338. 10:16And get his plate and let us come here
339. 10:17instead of we're on another domestic
340. 10:20over here and then I get a report of a
341. 10:22fight happening.
342. 10:23Yeah. And so I have to now put my guys
343. 10:26in in a very vulnerable state, leaving
344. 10:28them in the middle of a potential fight
345. 10:30to come to another potential fight that
346. 10:32doesn't that doesn't necessarily need to
347. 10:34be a fight.
348. 10:36Okay.
349. 10:36Okay.
350. 10:37So, I want to tell you one more fact.
351. 10:39Okay.
352. 10:40When I went up to his window, he
353. 10:41wouldn't roll his window down.
354. 10:43I wouldn't either.
355. 10:44Why not? I'm just knocking on the
356. 10:46window. I want to talk to you. to know
357. 10:48that I I just had an involvement with
358. 10:51someone who I know is going to be
359. 10:53unhappy with me.
360. 10:54Yes. So then that's that's
361. 10:55why why would I?
362. 10:56Because that's what I'm saying is that
363. 10:59is a tiny tiny piece of evidence that
364. 11:03says that he knew that he did something
365. 11:04wrong.
366. 11:05No.
367. 11:05If he wouldn't roll down the window,
368. 11:06that doesn't count as evidence.
369. 11:07It's not evidence, but it's an
370. 11:09indication.
371. 11:10So and and
372. 11:11it's an inference. If someone just
373. 11:13happens to walk
374. 11:13circumstance,
375. 11:16I I I get it. It's all-encompassing, but
376. 11:19he's not he's not obligated. And I
377. 11:21because he doesn't want to talk to you
378. 11:23doesn't mean that he's guilty of all
379. 11:25sorts of crimes. It means
380. 11:29you you have already said that you're
381. 11:31pretty worked up about it.
382. 11:32I am.
383. 11:33Is it fair to say you're probably worked
384. 11:35up at his window?
385. 11:36Yeah, because he wouldn't roll down his
386. 11:38window. Why would you if someone comes
387. 11:41to your door and is knocking on your
388. 11:42door and you can see them visibly worked
389. 11:44up? Are you going to open that door for
390. 11:46them?
391. 11:46I not the door, but I'd roll down my
392. 11:48window.
393. 11:49Okay.
394. 11:49I have rolled down my window.
395. 11:50Okay. I've watched people get punched
396. 11:51for doing that.
397. 11:52Really?
398. 11:52Yeah. So, I don't fault him for
399. 11:54Park City, but Okay.
400. 11:57We're pretty safe here.
401. 11:59Until someone's aggressive.
402. 12:01Well, yeah, but
403. 12:03Okay.
404. 12:04We We got a guy dead over in Wasachford.
405. 12:06I'm assuming the same thing.
406. 12:08just roll down the window.
407. 12:11Yeah.
408. 12:12Well, why did
409. 12:12that's not evidence.
410. 12:14Sorry.
411. 12:15Right. But but it it it's part of the
412. 12:18situation. It's not evidence of the
413. 12:19crime, but it's it's evidence for the
414. 12:21fuel on the fire.
415. 12:22Yeah.
416. 12:24So, I don't I don't fault anyone for
417. 12:26wanting to stay safe when when someone
418. 12:28else is, no, I'm just going to sit here
419. 12:29in my car. And it had you just said,
420. 12:31"Cool, hang tight. I'm going to have the
421. 12:33cops come." No, I'm going to leave.
422. 12:35Cool. I got your plate number. They're
423. 12:36going to come find you
424. 12:37right away. He gets his phone out, then
425. 12:39he says, "I recorded everything on my
426. 12:41camcorder and I didn't come close to you
427. 12:44and blah blah blah blah." So, I mean,
428. 12:48yeah. Okay.
429. 12:49Okay.
430. 12:49You have any more questions?
431. 12:51Hang tight for a second. Let me go talk
432. 12:52to him, see what he's got.
433. 12:54Um, and I'll I'll see if he'll share
434. 12:57that dash cam with me if it exists. All
435. 12:59right. Go ahead.
436. 13:00But I I also don't want you
437. 13:03communicating back and forth because it
438. 13:04just, like I said, it amps things up.
439. 13:06Okay. All right.
440. 13:08He has my name. I'd like to have my
441. 13:10name. His name.
442. 13:12You can. We'll get that here in a
443. 13:14minute. Did you give him your name?
444. 13:15When I call the police, they asked for
445. 13:17my name in here.
446. 13:18Okay. That's That's fine. That He's not
447. 13:22obligated to give his name to you. He's
448. 13:24obligated to give it to me.
449. 13:25Okay. Can you give it to me?
450. 13:26I I will not give it to you cuz he's
451. 13:28asked me not to.
452. 13:29He did?
453. 13:30Mhm.
454. 13:30Why?
455. 13:31Because you're so adamant about wanting
456. 13:33his name.
457. 13:34He doesn't want you to have it.
458. 13:35Yeah. Okay. So it is it is a part of the
459. 13:38report.
460. 13:38So then I can later can I call the
461. 13:42district attorney and press charges? Is
462. 13:44this to press charges over?
463. 13:47I know it's a small incident.
464. 13:49Well, and and here's the thing.
465. 13:51Yeah.
466. 13:51People don't press charges. I don't
467. 13:53press charges. Mhm.
468. 13:54There is the law and I provide that
469. 13:56information to the attorneys and then
470. 13:58it's determined unless I make an arrest
471. 14:01off of probable cause which just one
472. 14:04side of the story very rarely is
473. 14:06probable cause where there's no obvious
474. 14:08injuries. No, it's it's your word that
475. 14:10he was 3 ft versus
476. 14:12he has a camcorder which he says he
477. 14:13does. Let's look at it. You can look at
478. 14:15it.
479. 14:15Mhm. Absolutely. Go ahead.
480. 14:17I already told you I was going to I was
481. 14:18going to ask for it.
482. 14:19Okay.
483. 14:19So, it's you can request the report.
484. 14:23Absolutely. And his name is part of that
485. 14:25report.
486. 14:25Oh, fantastic.
487. 14:26But with that,
488. 14:28you you can't reach out to him. You
489. 14:29can't contact him. And it's
490. 14:31if something happens, I want to know if
491. 14:34something happens to my house or my car.
492. 14:36Well, he's just as concerned.
493. 14:38Yeah.
494. 14:39Okay. It's It's a two-way street.
495. 14:40Yeah. Check my police record. I don't
496. 14:42know what his police records are.
497. 14:44Well, I don't know either of you, so I'm
498. 14:45going to treat you the same. So, I'm
499. 14:47going to offer him the same respect that
500. 14:49I've offered you.
501. 14:50Thank you. confusing the situation.
502. 14:53I'm not going to try and automatically
503. 14:55throw everyone in cuffs,
504. 14:57okay?
505. 14:57Cuz that that doesn't make people
506. 14:59cooperate together. All right? I I've
507. 15:02learned that 20 years in this. It's
508. 15:05easier when people are volunteering
509. 15:07information than being forced to give
510. 15:09information. Okay? So, give me just a
511. 15:11minute. Let me go talk to him. Um, where
512. 15:14exactly was it that he passed you
513. 15:16by the buses? By the bus stop.
514. 15:20All
515. 15:26right, give me just a minute.
516. 15:37Okay,
517. 15:44it's a good phone number for you.
518. 15:59So, walk me through what happened.
519. 16:00Okay. Um, I was coming to the skate
520. 16:04park.
521. 16:04Mhm.
522. 16:05And right at that bus stop area
523. 16:08Mhm.
524. 16:09Um, I was passing this gentleman
525. 16:13Mhm. And from my understanding and by
526. 16:17the looks of it, um, he was kind of
527. 16:20stepping off of like I guess like kind
528. 16:22of leaning.
529. 16:24I don't really know how to explain it.
530. 16:26It felt like as if he was like departing
531. 16:28from his bicycle by like the crosswalk
532. 16:30here. And so I felt like I had enough
533. 16:34room to pass him. I have a dash cam as
534. 16:36well. Um, and then I pull into this lot,
535. 16:39park here, and I notice in like my
536. 16:43rearview mirror, he's like biking next
537. 16:45to me. I was like, "Oh, like, did I do
538. 16:47something?" He like hits my window. He's
539. 16:49like, "Roll down your window." And so I
540. 16:52was like, "Okay, this might be a
541. 16:54problem." So, I felt a little unsafe to
542. 16:58start recording just not to like raise I
543. 17:00guess um tension, but more so just to
544. 17:03kind of like
545. 17:04Hey, sorry it's like really blank.
546. 17:05No, you're like if we go over here that
547. 17:08way you're not staring into the sun.
548. 17:10Okay, cool. So then uh I just start
549. 17:12recording cuz I was like he already hit
550. 17:14my window. I don't want him to like
551. 17:15damage my property. And so I just start
552. 17:18recording and I rolled out my window to
553. 17:19talk to him and he's like telling me to
554. 17:21get out and that I almost hit him and I
555. 17:23said I'm sorry or I guess we'll see what
556. 17:26I said in the video. I was like a little
557. 17:28nervous. So then I was like he's like
558. 17:31get out. And I was like I'm just trying
559. 17:32to go skate and so I roll up my window.
560. 17:34He like opens my door and then I'm just
561. 17:36like dude. And then I was like stop. And
562. 17:39then I try to close my door. He opens it
563. 17:41again. I close it. He opens it one more
564. 17:44time. And so I tried to stand up, but he
565. 17:46put his hand on me, trying to like maybe
566. 17:48like have me stay sitting down, but like
567. 17:50leave the door open, but I stood up
568. 17:52anyway. And then he's like pressing me
569. 17:54into my car. And I was like, "Can I have
570. 17:56some space, please?" And then he was
571. 17:58talking like, "Did you like not see me
572. 18:00over there? You were really close. Do
573. 18:01you know the laws? Like 3 ft minimum."
574. 18:04He's just very aggressive. Kind of like,
575. 18:07"All right, let's like like I'm going to
576. 18:10call the cops. I'm going to sue you for
577. 18:12a lawsuit, get you arrested. I was like,
578. 18:15"All right, I'm sorry."
579. 18:18And I was like, I don't want to get
580. 18:19physical. Like, but if I was like, can I
581. 18:22have my space? And then he was like
582. 18:24making sure my door was open and stuff.
583. 18:26And I was like, can we like separate
584. 18:28like some space here?
585. 18:29And you do you have that all in
586. 18:30recording?
587. 18:30I have it on my phone. I can show you. I
588. 18:32have it on my dash cam as well. If I
589. 18:35could get both of those, that that'll
590. 18:36help me kind of understand exactly what
591. 18:39cuz he's saying you were on the other
592. 18:40side. Just the second you pulled in, you
593. 18:42were trying to leave.
594. 18:43Okay. I mentioned I was going to skate.
595. 18:46Um I don't know if you want to see it
596. 18:47now, but I just basically have um the
597. 18:52whole like altercation. Okay.
598. 18:58Did you see me? Hold on to the side. I
599. 19:01did. I had it on dash cam. Good. You see
600. 19:05how close you came to me? You know what
601. 19:06the line is? 3 ft [ __ ]
602. 19:09I was.
603. 19:09No, you weren't. You want to check your
604. 19:11dash cam?
605. 19:14Take it. What's your name?
606. 19:16My name is John.
607. 19:17Last name. I don't need that.
608. 19:18What's your last name?
609. 19:19You don't need my last name.
610. 19:21I don't need I perfect.
611. 19:24Okay. I'm going to call this.
612. 19:26Why? I have it on dash cam. You fine?
613. 19:29I'm going to go skate. No, you're not.
614. 19:31Yes, I am.
615. 19:33You're not You're not going anywhere.
616. 19:35Please stop, dude. Stop. No. You're
617. 19:38[ __ ]
618. 19:40dude. Literally, stop. No. I'm calling
619. 19:42the police. You're not leaving. You're
620. 19:44not leaving. You're not leaving. Got his
621. 19:47[ __ ] hands on
622. 19:50the police. Look at this dude. What are
623. 19:53you doing? Why you so crazy? Call the
624. 19:57police. Why you so crazy? No, you're not
625. 19:59going anywhere. I'm not going anywhere.
626. 20:02I don't want to be aggressive with you,
627. 20:03dude. And you already are. You pushed
628. 20:05into me. I asked you to wait. You
629. 20:07didn't. You did. How'd you get out of
630. 20:09the car? You
631. 20:11Yeah. I've got a very aggressive
632. 20:13teenager here that almost hit me in the
633. 20:15car and now he won't give me his last
634. 20:17name. And now he's trying to leave.
635. 20:21I'm in Park City near the Park City
636. 20:24Park, but the skate park. He's in a
637. 20:28Subaru.
638. 20:30He's in a Subaru. Yeah, he's a license
639. 20:32plate.
640. 20:37The license plate is T953
641. 20:41KG. And he's he's recording me because
642. 20:45he's a jerk.
643. 20:48And I want you to come and give this guy
644. 20:50a ticket. I'll be going to testify in
645. 20:52court against this guy.
646. 20:57He came way too close to me.
647. 21:00Huh? He came. He did not hit me. There's
648. 21:04a law in in Utah that says you have to
649. 21:06stay 3 ft from a cyclist. He did not. He
650. 21:10just went right next to me. I wouldn't
651. 21:12bother pulling over if this guy were not
652. 21:15safe.
653. 21:18Yes, I'm still on my bicycle. He's here.
654. 21:21Gary Peacock, you you send a policeman
655. 21:24for this guy right now.
656. 21:26Okay. Thank you.
657. 21:29Thank you. All right.
658. 21:33Yes. He tried to leave. He tried. He
659. 21:35said he was leaving. I said I was going
660. 21:37to escape. He said you were leaving.
661. 21:40Go ahead. Ran left and right pal. It's
662. 21:43all on video. You tried to leave. You
663. 21:45said I'm leaving. I said I'm going to
664. 21:47escape. That's the same thing. I didn't
665. 21:49say I'm leaving.
666. 21:51So, could you please send a policeman?
667. 21:53He's just being aggressive and uh
668. 21:57obnoxious.
669. 22:03Can you can you send that to me?
670. 22:04Yeah.
671. 22:05Either airdrop it to me or
672. 22:08I would love to attach that.
673. 22:10And then if there's some way I could get
674. 22:13the uh the dash cam.
675. 22:15Yeah. Incident.
676. 22:16That's on a a SD card. So I have to run
677. 22:19that to my laptop.
678. 22:20Okay. So just whenever I get the chance
679. 22:23to do that, I can do that for sure. And
680. 22:25then is your air drop by?
681. 22:28For some reason, it it defaults to uh
682. 22:32only my contacts.
683. 22:33Yeah, same with mine. I don't think
684. 22:34there's a permanent setting to actually
685. 22:36allow it to.
686. 22:37I wish it would, but funny stuff happens
687. 22:39that way.
688. 22:41True, I guess. True. Okay, it should be
689. 22:44on. Okay. Um,
690. 22:54maybe if I Have you seen the new one
691. 22:56where like if you go like this? No.
692. 22:59Maybe mine's off.
693. 23:01Oh, yeah. Mine's still on contact. Maybe
694. 23:04if I
695. 23:06Do you have a number I could text you?
696. 23:08Oh, but it's 6 minutes long. Maybe
697. 23:09that's the reason
698. 23:11is because it's a very long.
699. 23:12Let's do this. I will email you a link.
700. 23:14Okay. Um, so you can upload that. Okay.
701. 23:18And the dash cam direct to our case.
702. 23:21Um, so I so I can have that. Is it Is
703. 23:23there any way to view it before?
704. 23:25I wish. It's kind of an older one
705. 23:27though. So it's just like there's no
706. 23:28like Bluetooth like phone link app for
707. 23:31this one and it's something I need to
708. 23:33probably upgrade to.
709. 23:34Cool. If you want to hang tight right
710. 23:36over here for a second.
711. 23:37Yeah.
712. 23:37Um,
713. 23:39I'm going to get you guys' information
714. 23:41put into the computer.
715. 23:42Um, he's asked for your name. I said,
716. 23:44"I'm not going to give it to you." He
717. 23:45can request
718. 23:47um a copy of the report and your name
719. 23:49will be on it that way.
720. 23:50So, it's potentially he could he could
721. 23:52still have access to it, but
722. 23:53he he's just upset that he gave his name
723. 23:56and you got to hear it, but he didn't
724. 23:57get yours. I explained you're not
725. 24:00obligated to give your name to anyone
726. 24:01but us.
727. 24:02We have potentially a crime that
728. 24:04occurred or an infraction. If you if you
729. 24:06were too close to him, he says you are.
730. 24:09he is eligible to basically sign this
731. 24:12citation as a witness of the of the
732. 24:14infraction. Um and I I um he wants a
733. 24:18ticket issued. So I'm I will be giving
734. 24:20you a ticket today. But instead of me
735. 24:23saying, "Hey, I saw this h like if I
736. 24:25caught you speeding, I'm the one I'm the
737. 24:27witness of that."
738. 24:28So it will be there will be a court date
739. 24:31you can call and set up and then arrange
740. 24:33to uh get that taken care of.
741. 24:35Mhm. You'll get to share your side. That
742. 24:38video evidence, I'm going to add it to
743. 24:40the case and then he'll get to share his
744. 24:42side. So, it's it's going both ways.
745. 24:44Okay.
746. 24:44In court.
747. 24:45In court because Well, or you could just
748. 24:48pay the ticket,
749. 24:49right?
750. 24:50That's that's that's the option.
751. 24:51How much is this?
752. 24:52I'm not certain. Okay.
753. 24:53But, um let let me let me go get your
754. 24:56information in there.
755. 24:57All right. Sounds good.
756. 24:58Um
757. 24:59I'm going to issue him a citation for
758. 25:01disorderly conduct as well.
759. 25:02Okay. So, um, cuz he shouldn't be
760. 25:05opening your door and then kind of
761. 25:08pushing you, holding there.
762. 25:11It's It's Yeah, it's going both ways.
763. 25:13It is what it is. So, all right.
764. 25:15You hang tight for a minute. All right.
765. 25:16Sounds good.
766. 25:26Thank you.
767. 25:28Sign his citation that you were present
768. 25:30for it. And then I'm going to issue one
769. 25:33for disorderly conduct as well.
770. 25:36So
771. 25:36So if you'll just hang tight over on the
772. 25:38sidewalk over there,
773. 25:39then I won't I won't press charges.
774. 25:41It's too late.
775. 25:43Why am I getting up for what?
776. 25:45Because you were aggressive to him.
777. 25:47Yes, I was. But he was trying to leave.
778. 25:50Okay, go wait over there. I'll explain
779. 25:52it here in a second.
780. 25:52Can't we just
781. 25:53Nope.
782. 25:54Oh, come on, man. I was the I was the
783. 25:56victim here.
784. 25:57All right, watch out. We can go a
785. 25:59different way and you can be arrested
786. 26:00for disorderly conduct.
787. 26:02That's an arrestable offense.
788. 26:03What's What kind of disorderly conduct
789. 26:05is it?
790. 26:06You opened his door three times. Okay.
791. 26:09He doesn't have to get out of his car
792. 26:10for you. He doesn't have to identify for
793. 26:12you. You are not law enforcement. You
794. 26:14don't get to come out here and enforce
795. 26:16things. You call us and let us do it.
796. 26:18He didn't say he was going to leave in
797. 26:20his vehicle. He's like, "I'm here to
798. 26:21skate. I'm going to go skate." He didn't
799. 26:23believe he did anything wrong.
800. 26:25He's going to provide me the dash cam.
801. 26:27Okay.
802. 26:27He showed me the recording and you were
803. 26:29the aggressive one, not him.
804. 26:31Yes. Because he
805. 26:32Yes. And you don't get to be aggressive
806. 26:33with people like that. That's
807. 26:35disorderly.
808. 26:36That's why you were getting a citation
809. 26:37as well.
810. 26:38Is it Why is it too late? What does it
811. 26:40mean? What does it mean disorderly? Do I
812. 26:42have to go to court for this?
813. 26:45You're kidding me.
814. 26:46Yeah. You're adamant that this and you
815. 26:49were the one causing the the stir here.
816. 26:52What if I apologize?
817. 26:54It's too late. I've already seen the
818. 26:55evidence. I am obligated.
819. 26:57Oh, come on, man.
820. 26:58Okay. So, if you'll wait over here on
821. 27:00the sidewalk.
822. 27:02You have got to be kidding me. This What
823. 27:05can we do to resolve this? I mean, this
824. 27:07is
825. 27:07not act like that in the future is how
826. 27:09we can
827. 27:10I understand.
828. 27:10And it's not going to fix today, but
829. 27:12it's going to fix the future.
830. 27:13I am going tomorrow.
831. 27:15That's fantastic.
832. 27:17I'm going to issue You're not going to
833. 27:18jail. You're You're getting a citation,
834. 27:20so you get to deal with it on your own
835. 27:22time. You sort that out between you and
836. 27:24the court. Is he coming to court?
837. 27:26Yeah, cuz he's getting a ticket, too.
838. 27:29What's he getting a ticket for?
839. 27:31I'm going to give him a ticket.
840. 27:32For what?
841. 27:33For the violation that you swear up and
842. 27:35down that he did on your word.
843. 27:38Okay. What if we just
844. 27:39Nope.
845. 27:40What if we just resolve this?
846. 27:41You asked for it over there. He showed
847. 27:44me evidence. He's going to provide me
848. 27:46the evidence of that. It's either going
849. 27:48to substantiate it or discredit it. And
850. 27:51his ticket may or may not go away based
851. 27:53on that. Yours, however, I have evidence
852. 27:55of.
853. 27:57So you're I'm gonna have a Is this a
854. 27:59misdemeanor?
855. 28:01So I'm going to have a misdemeanor on my
856. 28:03Yes. Because of your behavior.
857. 28:05Because I got hot.
858. 28:07Yes.
859. 28:07And that's justifiable.
860. 28:09Yes. Absolutely.
861. 28:12Look,
862. 28:13you don't get to demand people's names.
863. 28:15You don't get to demand that they don't
864. 28:17go anywhere.
865. 28:18You don't get to open their door.
866. 28:20I didn't open his door.
867. 28:21You did three times. No, he was trying
868. 28:23to close his door.
869. 28:24He closed it because you kept opening
870. 28:26it. I watched the video of it
871. 28:27because I was talking to him.
872. 28:29No, he you're not. He's under no
873. 28:31obligation to you.
874. 28:32I don't know.
875. 28:33I get I You should know that.
876. 28:35If he has
877. 28:36Do I get to just come Do I get to just
878. 28:38walk up to your door and start yelling
879. 28:39at you?
880. 28:40People do.
881. 28:41Yeah, but you're not allowed to. That
882. 28:43That's not That's disorderly conduct.
883. 28:45That's absolutely disorderly.
884. 28:48That's unreasonable argument. No,
885. 28:50because you think you you have the right
886. 28:52to do that and I'm here to protect his
887. 28:54rights as much as I'm here to protect
888. 28:55your rights.
889. 28:56Angry,
890. 28:56which Yes.
891. 28:57But you could
892. 28:58you need to control your temper at that
893. 29:00point.
894. 29:00I understand.
895. 29:01Okay.
896. 29:02So, we can drag this out and we can keep
897. 29:04arguing or I can get to work, get you a
898. 29:07ticket, and get you on your ride.
899. 29:08What if we both agree that neither one
900. 29:10of us wants a ticket?
901. 29:12At this point, I've seen what I've seen.
902. 29:14I've seen the evidence. You were adamant
903. 29:16that you asked for a ticket and now
904. 29:18because you're getting one, you want him
905. 29:19to get out of it,
906. 29:20right?
907. 29:21No, you're both getting one today.
908. 29:22Okay. So, if you'll just wait over on
909. 29:24the sidewalk
910. 29:44descend
911. 30:02Okay. Operated a motor vehicle near
912. 30:04vulnerable user or vehicle. That's you.
913. 30:08Um he's getting infraction.
914. 30:10That's his infraction.
915. 30:11That is the infraction. That's the
916. 30:13charge. That's the level.
917. 30:14This is the This is the thing.
918. 30:15Yep.
919. 30:15So I have you there listed as the
920. 30:17complaintant. If you'll sign it right at
921. 30:19the bottom just down at the bottom
922. 30:23right here.
923. 30:23Yep. This whole thing is getting
924. 30:25submitted.
925. 30:28Did you look at his camcorder?
926. 30:30Uh, it needs a a laptop to get to. He's
927. 30:32going to provide it to me and we're
928. 30:34going to follow up on that.
929. 30:34How do I follow up on this?
930. 30:36So, you can reach out to the court or
931. 30:38sorry, reach out to the the police
932. 30:40department and request a copy of the
933. 30:42report.
934. 30:42Yeah. Um or and I'll here let me just
935. 30:47get you yours now and I can explain all
936. 30:51of that.
937. 30:55Okay. Disorderly conduct.
938. 30:56All right. As I explained earlier, you
939. 30:59opened his door multiple times. He's
940. 31:00trying to shut it. He didn't want to
941. 31:02roll. He He doesn't want anything to do
942. 31:04with you. I get that what happened over
943. 31:07here.
944. 31:08He wasn't trying to leave. He was trying
945. 31:10to go skate.
946. 31:10That's leading that
947. 31:13the way.
948. 31:13How do I know that's the case?
949. 31:15Cuz it's not your job to worry about
950. 31:17that.
951. 31:17It's my worry. It's my job to make sure
952. 31:20that somebody that has an infraction
953. 31:22stays here so you can arrive.
954. 31:24Okay.
955. 31:24I do believe that I have a right to do
956. 31:26that. You say I don't, but I think I do.
957. 31:28You don't get to detain people.
958. 31:31All right.
959. 31:32He drove near you. You got the license
960. 31:35plate number. Then you started opening
961. 31:38his door demanding his name. Yeah.
962. 31:40Because he wouldn't give me his last
963. 31:42name. Yes.
964. 31:42He doesn't have to. He's not obligated.
965. 31:44He was leaving.
966. 31:45He said, "I'm here to skate."
967. 31:46And you said, "No, you're not."
968. 31:49I watched the video. I know. Okay.
969. 31:51So, that's why you're being charged with
970. 31:52this. Okay. Phone number for the courts
971. 31:54right there.
972. 31:54Okay.
973. 31:55Give them a couple days.
974. 31:56Is this a fine or
975. 31:58what? What is it?
976. 31:59This is a ticket.
977. 32:00A ticket?
978. 32:02It's an infraction.
979. 32:03Is it a traffic ticket?
980. 32:05No, it is a noncrim It's a non-tra
981. 32:07criminal citation.
982. 32:09It's a criminal citation.
983. 32:10Yes. Yes, because that behavior is
984. 32:13criminal. You don't get to act like that
985. 32:15to people.
986. 32:18Clear as day. Give them a couple days to
987. 32:20get the information. Do not wait more
988. 32:21than 2 weeks. Otherwise, it will go to a
989. 32:23warrant.
990. 32:23Okay.
991. 32:23Okay. You're free to go.
992. 32:24Say thank you, but um I'm glad I called
993. 32:27the police.
994. 32:28Well, I wish this went different.
995. 32:31Yeah.
996. 32:32Oh, here's your here's your ID. Sorry.
997. 32:35Next time I call the police.
998. 32:38Well, that's what you should have done
999. 32:39and left it at that. When you go over
1000. 32:41your bounds, that's when you get a
1001. 32:42ticket.
1002. 32:44Well, I didn't know that was going well.
1003. 32:45You know, now
1004. 32:55here's yours. Operating a motor vehicle
1005. 32:56near a vulnerable user of a vehicle,
1006. 32:58which is is a bike.
1007. 32:59Okay.
1008. 33:00Infraction. Phone number is right here.
1009. 33:02Okay.
1010. 33:02Give the court a couple days to give the
1011. 33:04information. Do not wait more than 2
1012. 33:05weeks, otherwise it will go to a
1013. 33:07warrant. Okay.
1014. 33:08Okay. Um, he signed it as the as the
1015. 33:11complainant there.
1016. 33:12Okay.
1017. 33:12So, if you contest it, he'll be required
1018. 33:14to to show up.
1019. 33:15Okay.
1020. 33:16Um, and as soon as you can get me that
1021. 33:19that video.
1022. 33:20Yeah.
1023. 33:20And if it's unable to send Oh, here. Let
1024. 33:22me
1025. 33:23Oh, no. I have a I have like a I like
1026. 33:25edit videos. So, like as
1027. 33:27So, sending a video is not going to be a
1028. 33:29big deal for you.
1029. 33:29Yeah. I can like decompress it into a
1030. 33:31smaller file and make it go like I guess
1031. 33:33your email or whatever. the I'm I'm I'm
1032. 33:35going to give you a link to the case and
1033. 33:37you're going to load it straight to the
1034. 33:38case.
1035. 33:39Okay.
1036. 33:39And then I could view it in its entirety
1037. 33:41in full video, full quality
1038. 33:43and whatnot. So, the video from your
1039. 33:45phone as well as the dash cam.
1040. 33:47Yeah. Where should I send it?
1041. 33:48What's a what's a good email?
1042. 33:49So, my email is
1043. 34:02you're good.
1044. 34:05I will send you that link and once you
1045. 34:07upload it, it gives me an
1046. 34:09acknowledgement that hey, you've you've
1047. 34:11uploaded it. Um, if there's any issues
1048. 34:13with it, I'll reach out. I'll call you
1049. 34:15and say, "Hey,
1050. 34:15can I get your card in case I have no
1051. 34:17issues?" I don't think I should, but And
1052. 34:19then
1053. 34:20you never know with technology.
1054. 34:22Yeah. And so when I call that number,
1055. 34:24that's just to
1056. 34:27um what do I do when I call the number?
1057. 34:30Yeah. So if you just want to pay it, You
1058. 34:33can pay it over the phone if you want to
1059. 34:34contest it.
1060. 34:35If you legitimately believe you weren't
1061. 34:38that close to him,
1062. 34:39you're welcome to contest it.
1063. 34:40Okay. And what as far as like this as an
1064. 34:43infraction, what does it do to my
1065. 34:45record? I guess my driving record.
1066. 34:47So, if if you plead guilty to it, it's
1067. 34:50points on your record.
1068. 34:52Um, insurance could possibly go up cuz
1069. 34:54it is a moving violation.
1070. 34:56Um, he was adamant that you get a ticket
1071. 35:00until I told him he was getting one. And
1072. 35:01he's like, "No, no, no, no, no, never
1073. 35:03mind. I I want to wash it." I'm like,
1074. 35:04"Too late, dude."
1075. 35:05Yeah.
1076. 35:06You opened a can.
1077. 35:07I figured he would as soon as he did, so
1078. 35:10that's why I was really just trying to
1079. 35:13not make him more.
1080. 35:14Kudos to you and for not antagonizing
1081. 35:17him anymore. He was antagonized already.
1082. 35:20You You stayed calm. At his age, he
1083. 35:23should know. Cooler heads prevail.
1084. 35:26Yeah.
1085. 35:26Hey, man. You were too close to me. Oh,
1086. 35:28I'm sorry. I didn't realize it. Look,
1087. 35:30I've got video. I'm happy to share it
1088. 35:31with you. I don't think I was that
1089. 35:32close,
1090. 35:33but he was he was clearly aggressive.
1091. 35:36Knocking on your window. He says he
1092. 35:38didn't open the door. You were trying to
1093. 35:40leave to go skate. And I'm like, "Yeah,
1094. 35:42he's at a skate park. I don't care if he
1095. 35:45goes skates cuz he's not leaving the
1096. 35:46area. The car is
1097. 35:48Yeah, the car's here, but it's have a
1098. 35:51right to detain you. He's not a police
1099. 35:52officer."
1100. 35:53And it's I I don't know if you heard me
1101. 35:55explain that to him. I did. I'm like,
1102. 35:56"You're not You're not law enforcement.
1103. 35:58You don't get the, "No, I feel I have a
1104. 36:00right." I'm like, "Well, you're wrong."
1105. 36:02Simple as that. You don't get to act
1106. 36:04like that
1107. 36:06because someone did something over
1108. 36:08there. You come over and act like this.
1109. 36:09Congratulations. You got a new charge.
1110. 36:11Mhm.
1111. 36:12So
1112. 36:13So,
1113. 36:13okay. I was a witness through the video.
1114. 36:17Yeah,
1115. 36:18that's a solid one.
1116. 36:19Mhm.
1117. 36:20All right. Well, thank you and you guys
1118. 36:23have been helpful. I'm glad this I guess
1119. 36:25is resolved at the moment so I can go
1120. 36:27skate finally
1121. 36:29in in the if that happens again and
1122. 36:32cool. I'm going to go skate. When the
1123. 36:33cops get here, I'll come back over.
1124. 36:34That that would probably be the the
1125. 36:36instead of No, I'm I'm here to skate.
1126. 36:38I'm going to go skate. Which by all
1127. 36:40means,
1128. 36:42he's he's alleging he and I I asked him
1129. 36:45I'm like, "Do you want me to go arrest
1130. 36:46him?" He's like, "Can you arrest him?"
1131. 36:47I'm like, "Off your word alone, you want
1132. 36:49me to arrest him?" Well, if yeah, he did
1133. 36:52it. I'm like, "Cool. Do you want me to
1134. 36:53arrest you
1135. 36:55off his word alone? Well, well, no.
1136. 36:58Okay. Well, then why would I arrest him
1137. 36:59off your word alone,
1138. 37:00right?
1139. 37:01There's there's a story out there
1140. 37:03somewhere. And I got to find out where
1141. 37:05that is. So,
1142. 37:06okay. Well,
1143. 37:07with that,
1144. 37:08go skate. Um, when you get home, upload
1145. 37:10that video. Okay.
1146. 37:11I'm on all night, so I'll get it as soon
1147. 37:13as you do.
1148. 37:13All right. So, all right.
1149. 37:15Thank you. You bet. Have a better day.
1150. 37:17Thank you.
1151. 37:20Heat.
1152. 37:22Heat.