Gabourey always felt like Raven Symone was "put off" by her.. — Transcript

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1. 0:00Hello and thank you for watching and
2. 0:01listening to another episode of the
3. 0:02Podacity with Keto Rose.
4. 0:04>> I'm jealous. I'm overzealous.
5. 0:08When I'm down, I get real down. When I'm
6. 0:10high, I don't come down. I get angry.
7. 0:13Baby, believe me,
8. 0:16I could love you just like that. And I
9. 0:18can leave you as fast, but you don't
10. 0:23judge me.
11. 0:25Baby, I will
12. 0:35issues but you got them too. So give
13. 0:38them all to me AND I'LL [screaming] GIVE
14. 0:40MINE TO YOU. Here we dare to use our
15. 0:42voices. Have the audacity to own who we
16. 0:45are and vow. Raise up your roses. We vow
17. 0:48to never stop, never shrink, and most
18. 0:50importantly, never [screaming]
19. 0:52shut up. It's just not gonna happen.
20. 0:55>> Like, share, subscribe, talk [ __ ] in my
21. 0:56comments, you know, tell me how you
22. 0:58really feel. Hit that bell notification
23. 0:59so I can pop up on your timeline. Why
24. 1:02you say bae? And hype this video up if
25. 1:04you can. You only get three hypes a
26. 1:06week. Spend one on your boy. You guys,
27. 1:08Gabby Ciday is me and I am her. She
28. 1:11pulled up on Raven like what's up.
29. 1:13>> What's up? I heard you were talking that
30. 1:15[ __ ] I heard you were talking that
31. 1:17[ __ ] If you don't give a damn, I don't
32. 1:19give a If you don't give a damn, I'm not
33. 1:21gonna give a
34. 1:22>> And that's the type of [ __ ] I like. I
35. 1:24don't like all this nicity [ __ ] If you
36. 1:26don't like me, just say it. You're going
37. 1:28to start to see a lot of people on
38. 1:29different people's podcast because
39. 1:30podcasting is just new media. Streaming
40. 1:32is new media. Get with it or get lost.
41. 1:34And this is how it is. When I went to
42. 1:35college for media, they had us for radio
43. 1:38and television broadcasting
44. 1:40specifically, they had us take a
45. 1:41podcasting class. And I hated it. I
46. 1:42didn't want to do it. They had us use
47. 1:44this old podcasting equipment that news
48. 1:46anchors
49. 1:48use and it had four places to put
50. 1:50microphones and you could put it in your
51. 1:51pocket. It was weird. It was old. I
52. 1:52hated it. And I said, "This is not
53. 1:54necessary." And they said, "Yes, it is."
54. 1:55They said, "Podcasting is taking up 15%
55. 1:57of media. You need to know this." And
56. 1:59now it's at 35%. So, I guess they were
57. 2:02right. A lot of people believe that
58. 2:04podcasting or getting on somebody else's
59. 2:06podcast will help their careers. And for
60. 2:08the most part, it should. A podcast
61. 2:10should help the interviewee and the
62. 2:12interviewer. It should help each other
63. 2:14crosspromote, learn a little bit about
64. 2:16each other, network, gain connections,
65. 2:18and share audiences so that you can gain
66. 2:21visibility. That is what it's for. We
67. 2:23are not seeing that because you know why
68. 2:25media professionals with full-blown
69. 2:27teams are not setting up these podcast
70. 2:29interviews. It's regular [ __ ] It's
71. 2:32regular [ __ ] A lot of you guys don't
72. 2:33like my interview with Dria. You said I
73. 2:35talked too much. You said that I didn't
74. 2:37ask her questions you wanted me to ask
75. 2:38her. If y'all have questions, sit down
76. 2:40with her and ask her what you need to.
77. 2:42My podcast is all about me. I'm so
78. 2:45[laughter] sorry. I'm sorry. I know that
79. 2:47is so frustrating. Like, no, I don't
80. 2:50want you. Well, then there's other pe
81. 2:51400 other people interviewing the same
82. 2:54people. I'm sure you'll find something
83. 2:56you like. Me personally, I'm a talk. I'm
84. 2:58a yap. I'm a chatter. We're going to
85. 3:00have a conversation, okay? I'm not
86. 3:02sitting around interviewing you, trying
87. 3:03to deep dive and dig into your life and
88. 3:06trying to break you and crack you and
89. 3:07get you to say something that other
90. 3:09podcasts haven't. I'm not going to do
91. 3:10that. So anyways, but what I do have the
92. 3:12energy to do is check a [ __ ] I'll
93. 3:14check a here. I'll check a [ __ ] there.
94. 3:16I'll check a with bacon. I'll check
95. 3:18[ __ ] with ham. I will check a [ __ ]
96. 3:20anywhere I am Sam I am. Okay. And so
97. 3:22Gabby did just that. She was on tea time
98. 3:25with Raven and Miranda. Raven Simone and
99. 3:27Miranda. Her wife have a podcast called
100. 3:30Tea Time. It's very popular. And they
101. 3:32were discussing her new show that's
102. 3:35coming up, right? She's going to be a
103. 3:36part of American Horror Story season 13.
104. 3:39The witches are back. I freaking loved
105. 3:41Gabby in that. And I loved Gabby and
106. 3:43Precious. And I love Gabby. Period.
107. 3:45Well, fans of course blew up this one
108. 3:47clip. Now, let me just start off by
109. 3:49saying this. Raven and Miranda aren't
110. 3:51popular. A lot of people are turned off
111. 3:54by who Raven Simone really is at her
112. 3:57core, right? A lot of fans are saying
113. 3:59that they're surprised because Raven
114. 4:01Baxter was so black. She was so us. I
115. 4:04used to run home from school to watch
116. 4:06Raven on television. She was my idol. I
117. 4:09saw her when I was younger. I saw me in
118. 4:12her. But then as you get older, you
119. 4:13realize that these people are playing a
120. 4:15role. God damn. I'm sorry. These people
121. 4:19are playing We don't know them. I don't
122. 4:21know her. And and along the Raven has
123. 4:24showed us exactly who the she is. So,
124. 4:26like it is what it is. You can either
125. 4:28like her or dislike her. That is really
126. 4:30up to you. Comment down below. Do you
127. 4:31like Raven? Do you believe that Miranda
128. 4:33is her handler? That this white woman is
129. 4:36tearing her apart and and filling up her
130. 4:38head and getting in her ear and making
131. 4:40her say these things. Is that what you
132. 4:42believe? Well, let's watch a little bit
133. 4:44of this interview and see what we can
134. 4:47dissect.
135. 4:49>> You told me what
136. 4:50>> the theme is how young you are mentally
137. 4:52and emotionally.
138. 4:54>> We love you. What What's the theme? I
139. 4:55was just I was just going to go back to
140. 4:56cartoons. Keep going. One more question.
141. 4:57>> Well, I was going to say that I am
142. 4:59guilty of Crocs with socks. It just
143. 5:01happens sometimes.
144. 5:02>> You are struggling your struggle and I
145. 5:04and I
146. 5:04>> and you're judging me for it and it's
147. 5:06fine.
148. 5:06>> I send you love.
149. 5:07>> We can have mutual judgment of each
150. 5:08other. I'm sorry.
151. 5:09>> In my hand, [laughter]
152. 5:11>> Gabby, tell us where we can find.
153. 5:14>> Whoever puts raisins in potato salad,
154. 5:17they need to go to hell.
155. 5:18>> Tell your family.
156. 5:20>> Listen, I learned Latin from Gabet
157. 5:22Cabay. And and I hope your lip blows up.
158. 5:25>> Well said. Well said. And our final our
159. 5:28final Hexer hug. Designers who won't
160. 5:30dress plus-siz stars. [ __ ] them.
161. 5:33>> Hexom.
162. 5:34>> Wouldn't know him. Actually,
163. 5:36>> I'm jealous. I'm jealous.
164. 5:38>> What?
165. 5:39>> Of you.
166. 5:40>> Why?
167. 5:40>> Because when I was growing up in the
168. 5:43industry, no one dressed me. I wasn't
169. 5:45able to do fashion icons really like
170. 5:47you. I had to really go buy my stuff.
171. 5:49And
172. 5:49>> you were a child though.
173. 5:52>> Yes. And okay,
174. 5:53>> so
175. 5:54>> I was 16 and plus
176. 5:56>> fair. I
177. 5:57>> that's Can we get into this because
178. 5:58you've never been fat and that is what
179. 6:00bugs me.
180. 6:01>> So I want to stop this here and I just
181. 6:03want to point out that we be having two
182. 6:04different conversations right at the
183. 6:06same time. So Raven's talking about her
184. 6:08experience in the industry where white
185. 6:11is the standard, where the European
186. 6:13beauty standard is the standard. So
187. 6:15Raven at 16 with her hips and her big
188. 6:18breast, she was considered fat. Women
189. 6:20that look like that around that time and
190. 6:23before that time on television, not down
191. 6:26the street, not at Walmart, not in your
192. 6:28school, not at your job, on television,
193. 6:30could not look like that without being
194. 6:32heavily criticized every single day. And
195. 6:34so they let her work, but they probably
196. 6:36were relentless with the fat jokes or
197. 6:38the backhanded compliments.
198. 6:39>> You're so brave
199. 6:41>> [ __ ] that people be saying. She heard
200. 6:44that a lot. Whereas Gabby is an actual
201. 6:46plus-sized woman. She's telling Raven,
202. 6:48"You've actually never been fat." Gabby
203. 6:50probably feels a certain way, too. Like,
204. 6:51um, you've never been big. I live in a
205. 6:53big body and have for years. I don't
206. 6:55know if she grew up like plus-siz. Most
207. 6:57people that are plus-siz are big as a
208. 7:00child. And so, Gabby's like, "My
209. 7:02experience and your experience are not
210. 7:04the same." And they're and they're not
211. 7:05the same
212. 7:06>> because you had big boobs.
213. 7:09>> That is different than being plus. Like,
214. 7:11I mean, like, is that is that different?
215. 7:12>> I was a 16. I was a 16. I was a 10. I
216. 7:15was a 12, 13. I went all the way up to
217. 7:1716
218. 7:20>> and in but in 2000
219. 7:22>> sure the darkest of times it was the
220. 7:24darkest of times
221. 7:26>> period period and I remember when you
222. 7:29came on the on the scene and you were
223. 7:31embraced and I was like wow I'm not she
224. 7:35is and then there's people that Miranda
225. 7:37that is and I just felt congratulations
226. 7:40thank you for knocking down doors and
227. 7:42doing that and I'm also like angry
228. 7:44>> girl I didn't I wouldn't even say valid
229. 7:46are fair. That is definitely a
230. 7:48perspective and opinion. But my thing
231. 7:50is, so she's saying that Gabby was
232. 7:52embraced. Let's Can we have a real
233. 7:54conversation? When the was Gabby
234. 7:55embraced? Really? When when was Gabby
235. 7:57really embraced? Gabby just started.
236. 8:00Sorry. I've always been a fan, but Gabby
237. 8:03I just started seeing people like love
238. 8:05on her and really like love her and
239. 8:06respect her and uplift her these last
240. 8:08couple years. That did not happen when
241. 8:10she popped out in Precious. She pops
242. 8:12out. And the reason why we love her and
243. 8:14we feel like she's popping is because
244. 8:16she embraces who she is, she's accepted
245. 8:18herself, she doesn't give a [ __ ] about
246. 8:20what anybody feels, she has a man that
247. 8:22loves her and is [ __ ] her down cuz
248. 8:23she got two she got twins, right? A set
249. 8:25of twins. So, she's happy and
250. 8:28comfortable and secure within who she is
251. 8:30and herself. Let's not get it twisted.
252. 8:32Gabby wasn't like embraced and the world
253. 8:34wasn't like, "Oh my god, we're ready for
254. 8:36Gabby." Because if that's the case, the
255. 8:37world would have been ready for Lizo.
256. 8:39And people say things like, "Oh well,
257. 8:40Lizo dressed like a hoe." And Lizo was
258. 8:42fat. And the world treats fat people
259. 8:45like [ __ ] That's just the case. A lot
260. 8:48of people pretend like they care about
261. 8:49physical health just like they care
262. 8:51about mental health, but they don't.
263. 8:53They don't. They want to use that as a
264. 8:55blanket to talk [ __ ] about you and to
265. 8:57tell you that you should do better and
266. 8:58you should look better because you make
267. 8:59me sick. That is the reason and that is
268. 9:01the reality. Point blank period. I do
269. 9:03not believe Gabby was embraced. I think
270. 9:05that she played a role and I think that
271. 9:06she got a lot of attention and I think
272. 9:08she had haters and I think she had
273. 9:09people that loved her just like Raven.
274. 9:12>> Girl, I didn't Yeah. No, I didn't think
275. 9:14you liked me.
276. 9:15>> I didn't like you.
277. 9:16>> I'm actually here like what's up? I'm
278. 9:18going to be on whatever time you on.
279. 9:20[laughter]
280. 9:20>> I'm on what?
281. 9:21>> Nothing New York coming up.
282. 9:22>> Nothing New York.
283. 9:23>> Oh my god. You guys, let's hash this
284. 9:24out. Why do you think you liked each
285. 9:26other?
286. 9:26>> Why didn't you think I liked you?
287. 9:28>> Why didn't you think she liked you liked
288. 9:30me?
289. 9:30>> Well, because you Cuz you treated me
290. 9:32like you didn't like me. My bad. At
291. 9:35Empire.
292. 9:36>> My bad. Like not when where? No. Oh my
293. 9:39god. Sorry. And this is also too speaks
294. 9:42to her like cockiness of like, yeah, I
295. 9:44probably was a No. Well, my bad.
296. 9:47>> Also, I was told that you made some
297. 9:50people promise to not be friends with
298. 9:52me.
299. 9:52>> Who?
300. 9:55>> And
301. 9:58little shitster.
302. 9:59>> I'm not a shitster. I was told
303. 10:03that you made some folks promise not to
304. 10:08be friends with me.
305. 10:09>> Said that.
306. 10:10>> No.
307. 10:11>> Said that.
308. 10:11>> Yeah.
309. 10:12>> So, you know who's a [ __ ] stirer too,
310. 10:14right?
311. 10:14>> You know who stir [ __ ] Again, what's a
312. 10:16[ __ ] stirer? Somebody that just talks
313. 10:18[ __ ] and tries to get people not to be
314. 10:19friends with other people or and you
315. 10:21said two. So you did do that to Gabby,
316. 10:24but another person that's mutually
317. 10:26friends or mutually acquainted with the
318. 10:29both of you also stir [ __ ] as well. So
319. 10:31it seems like you have a pretty shitty
320. 10:33circle and need to stop with them folks.
321. 10:35>> We have to tell you things offline about
322. 10:37that situation. But I will tell you one
323. 10:38thing, Raven
324. 10:40>> Gabby bouncing up and down like,
325. 10:42"Please,
326. 10:44please humor me."
327. 10:46>> And Raven can be
328. 10:47>> Oh, you were like him. Oh, why would you
329. 10:50think I didn't like you? cuz you didn't
330. 10:51[clears throat] LIKE ME.
331. 10:52>> NO, I didn't know you.
332. 10:54>> I remember we went to we went to a
333. 10:57restaurant in Chicago and you you were
334. 11:00just I don't know. You were you were I
335. 11:02felt you I felt like you were put off. I
336. 11:05felt like you were put off by me and
337. 11:07then there was one time me and
338. 11:10>> were out and I think had facetimed me or
339. 11:13something and you were like you looked
340. 11:16in the phone and you were like, "Oh,
341. 11:18y'all y'all are assholes." But we
342. 11:20thought you were going to come meet us
343. 11:21out. So we were not necessarily perched,
344. 11:24but we were perched to be on whatever
345. 11:26>> as you should be perched. And we were
346. 11:28offline and I'll tell you all the team.
347. 11:30>> Okay.
348. 11:30>> All of the team.
349. 11:32>> But you were definitely a little
350. 11:34>> I was going to say this just really
351. 11:36quickly
352. 11:36>> so that you know me.
353. 11:37>> Just I was going to say
354. 11:38>> this is what pisses people off, right?
355. 11:40So like she was going to speak, Raven
356. 11:42was going to speak, but then her wife
357. 11:43speaks and her wife is like, "Well, let
358. 11:46me explain because I know Raven." Well,
359. 11:48Raven should know Raven and Raven is
360. 11:50allowed to speak. So, just go ahead and
361. 11:51let Raven speak because Raven is being
362. 11:53confronted right now.
363. 11:54>> Say this about Raven. So, she can be
364. 11:56shady shady. She can be petty. She can
365. 11:58be an [ __ ] but she's not the type of
366. 12:01person who would ever go behind
367. 12:03someone's back and be like, "Don't be
368. 12:04friends with her." She's not She doesn't
369. 12:06have that much energy.
370. 12:07>> Even Raven right here noted that she
371. 12:09lying. Raven looked like, "Don't laugh
372. 12:11at me."
373. 12:12>> To give to someone else or something
374. 12:14else,
375. 12:15>> what I would say is like, "Don't bring
376. 12:16her around me." [laughter] I could say
377. 12:17something like that's fair and I think
378. 12:20but that's probably what you said. Don't
379. 12:22bring her around me. Don't be her
380. 12:24friend. Promise you won't. Why would
381. 12:26somebody just randomly go up to Gabby?
382. 12:28And I mean there's people there's fake
383. 12:29ass shady ass people that want to cause
384. 12:31drama. Shit's hers. So yeah, maybe. But
385. 12:33why would somebody just randomly go up
386. 12:35to Gabby and be like, "Yeah, she told
387. 12:36me. She begged me not to be your friend.
388. 12:38She doesn't want." And like she said, I
389. 12:39probably just say, "Don't be around me.
390. 12:41So if you're going to be around me,
391. 12:42don't bring her." What the [ __ ] about
392. 12:44Gabby made her so off-putting to you?
393. 12:46That's what I want to know. And I
394. 12:48honestly think it's your weight. I'm
395. 12:50sorry y'all, but listen, in this
396. 12:52industry, we're seeing it with the whole
397. 12:53like two chains keeply situation where
398. 12:55it's like people that had to get things
399. 12:57a certain way or that went through
400. 12:59certain things, they're not path makers.
401. 13:02They don't want to be way makers. They
402. 13:04don't want to make a way. The whole
403. 13:06point back in the day was like, you're
404. 13:07going to become this star and you're
405. 13:09going to be black or fat or gay or
406. 13:12something, you know, that isn't the
407. 13:14majority, right? Or something that isn't
408. 13:17in the norm, that isn't quote unquote
409. 13:18socially acceptable. And you're going to
410. 13:22trailblaze and break down all these
411. 13:24doors. And because you're breaking down
412. 13:26the doors, other people can walk through
413. 13:28them. But there's something there's like
414. 13:30a disconnect between the people that
415. 13:31like broke down the doors and the people
416. 13:33that got to walk through them that the
417. 13:35people that broke down the doors are
418. 13:36like you. I don't know what it is, but
419. 13:38that's just what it is.
420. 13:39>> I think that when Raven doesn't know
421. 13:41somebody now from like observing her
422. 13:43behavior, she can come off very cold and
423. 13:46very distant. But it's not from a place
424. 13:48of disliking. It's from a place of not
425. 13:50knowing and not being sure that she's
426. 13:53going to open up
427. 13:53>> and having a lot of chip on my
428. 13:55shoulders, which I'll explain to you.
429. 13:57I'm going to tell you I like you. You
430. 13:58can come around. We can be friends. We
431. 14:00can go do Pilates together.
432. 14:01>> [ __ ] you. We're neighbors. I don't like
433. 14:03even that. Like we can go do Pilates.
434. 14:05Why the [ __ ] you? We're neighbors.
435. 14:07>> I know. I like that. Period.
436. 14:09>> Okay, Gabby, please tell us where we can
437. 14:11find you. All those fun things.
438. 14:15>> Grab the [ __ ] out.
439. 14:16>> Okay. Sure, sure. Sure. I think you know
440. 14:17I used
441. 14:18>> She'sing annoyed to be Gabby 3 Shabby on
442. 14:21Instagram and they made me change it. So
443. 14:23I think it's Gabby CBE. I think I'm
444. 14:26Gabby Suday everywhere on Instagram and
445. 14:29I checked.
446. 14:29>> Yeah, on threads where I am uh I'm in
447. 14:34the I'm in the house. I'm in the the the
448. 14:37house. I'm like sometimes they call me
449. 14:39queen. That seems a little weird.
450. 14:40Sometimes they call me mayor. Whatever.
451. 14:42It's really my husband who is like the
452. 14:44weird uh like he's threads royalty.
453. 14:47>> It's very strange king.
454. 14:50>> Yeah, he's a threads king. It's a little
455. 14:52it's a little odd. Uh, you can find me
456. 14:54on a American Horror Story season 13.
457. 14:59>> Amazing.
458. 14:59>> Lucky 13.
459. 15:00>> Yeah. So, the whole season is streaming
460. 15:02on on Hulu and Disney Plus. So, it's all
461. 15:06out there. You can watch all of it.
462. 15:08>> Amazing.
463. 15:08>> Including Hercules.
464. 15:10>> Including Hercules.
465. 15:11>> And probably Johnny Bravo if you can
466. 15:13find it.
467. 15:15>> He'll be on Raven's face or she'll be on
468. 15:18his. There you go.
469. 15:19>> You need help? The therapy bill got to
470. 15:21be high. So, as we just saw, Raven
471. 15:23expressed to Gabby why she didn't like
472. 15:25her, why she was off-put, why she was
473. 15:28taken her back, why she was cold and
474. 15:30distant. Now, I do believe Gabby and I
475. 15:33do believe that person that told Gabby
476. 15:34that Raven said don't with her because I
477. 15:36believe that Raven comes from a certain
478. 15:39group of Hollywood celebrity individuals
479. 15:43that believe that they're grandfathered
480. 15:44in that cuz they are, right? They're
481. 15:47always going to have Disney fans are
482. 15:48always going to be hardcore Disney fans.
483. 15:50Raven is not losing her fan base. Of the
484. 15:52people who absolutely loved her and love
485. 15:53her still and loved her older work too
486. 15:56when she came back is like Raven as a
487. 15:58mom. Like people love Raven period. But
488. 16:01the majority I'm talking about like the
489. 16:03internet. I'm talking about like black
490. 16:05people are really side eyeing her, but
491. 16:07we've been side eyeing Raven for years.
492. 16:08That's what I don't understand. Why is
493. 16:10this always coming up? Number one, why
494. 16:12would Raven have an attitude with
495. 16:14somebody like Gabby being embraced and
496. 16:16and not her? Well,
497. 16:18>> two breast reductions in lipo before I
498. 16:20turned 18. Did you know that?
499. 16:23>> You knew that.
500. 16:23>> Just what?
501. 16:24>> What?
502. 16:24>> Should I act more surprised? Oh my god.
503. 16:26What?
504. 16:27>> Raven Simone revealing her plastic
505. 16:29surgery secret to wife Miranda Mayday.
506. 16:32>> I don't like to talk about myself and
507. 16:34when I do, it means I'm for reals about
508. 16:37it. Because once you put it out there,
509. 16:39you can't be like, "Well, I I take it
510. 16:41back." Yeah. The actress spills all the
511. 16:43deets on their podcast about the
512. 16:45multiple procedures she had before she
513. 16:47was 18 and reveals it was all encouraged
514. 16:50by her father.
515. 16:51>> My dad suggested
516. 16:53strongly that I should get my breast
517. 16:56reduced. He was like so you don't feel
518. 16:59bad. Is there anything you want? I was
519. 17:00like what? I was like yeah if I get lipo
520. 17:03will people stop calling me fat? And uh
521. 17:05so I got a twofer.
522. 17:07>> Two for one. So the
523. 17:08>> So before you're 18, your dad's like,
524. 17:10"What can we do to like keep you going?
525. 17:12The money is good. You're getting, you
526. 17:14know, seen. You're you're becoming
527. 17:16visible. People want you. You have a
528. 17:18long-standing relationship with Disney.
529. 17:21What can we do to keep this going?" And
530. 17:23the solution was to give her three very
531. 17:25invasive and dangerous surgeries before
532. 17:27she turned 18. So that might be why
533. 17:30anybody that got to be themselves and
534. 17:34got to look like how they wanted to look
535. 17:36and be how they wanted to be. That's
536. 17:37what I mean by these like these people
537. 17:39that kicked down the doors are really
538. 17:41irritated and really never did it to
539. 17:43kick down the doors if you think about
540. 17:44it. Like if you really think about it,
541. 17:46Lizo, people said, "Oh, she's the face
542. 17:47of fat." Well, no, you made her the face
543. 17:49of fat, just like you're making Gabby
544. 17:50the face of fat. These people literally
545. 17:52are human beings that exist. They have a
546. 17:54talent and they want to do their talent.
547. 17:56If Lizo wants to wear booty shorts, then
548. 17:58just like Beyonce, she's wearing booty
549. 18:00shorts. The only difference is we don't
550. 18:01want to see Lizo in that and we don't
551. 18:03mind seeing Beyonce in that. It is a
552. 18:05standard. It's up. It's a It's an unfair
553. 18:07standard and that's just what it is. And
554. 18:09so Raven had to go through surgery. She
555. 18:12could have died on the surgery table
556. 18:13before she even turned 18 to have to
557. 18:16look a certain way so that she could
558. 18:17have a career, which as Gabby gets to,
559. 18:19you know, be on American Horror Story.
560. 18:21She We love her on Threads. We can't
561. 18:23wait to see more of her projects. We
562. 18:25just love her. That's just what it is.
563. 18:27So, I guess that was that's what Raven
564. 18:29means about like the embrace. But you
565. 18:30got that too. We loved you for Raven
566. 18:32Baxter. Nobody said anything. No, us
567. 18:35didn't say nothing about your weight. Us
568. 18:38didn't say nothing about your titties.
569. 18:39That wasn't us. Okay. So, like she said
570. 18:42on her podcast, she has a ton of chips
571. 18:44on her shoulder. It wasn't just that. It
572. 18:46wasn't just that. So, what can we gather
573. 18:47from this? Right. What can we gather
574. 18:49from the whole Raven Simone Gabby
575. 18:50situation where Gabby pulled the up and
576. 18:52said, "So, what's up?" because I feel
577. 18:54like you didn't like me. I always had
578. 18:56that feeling that you didn't like me and
579. 18:58it and it actually got confirmed.
580. 18:59Somebody from our mutual friend group
581. 19:01actually told me that you told them to
582. 19:04not be friends with me, that you begged
583. 19:05them to not be friends with me. What can
584. 19:07we learn? Number one, trust your gut.
585. 19:10Trust your gut. I that that has me up so
586. 19:12much in my life because I've always sat
587. 19:14there and been like, well, this person
588. 19:15didn't do anything to me. I mean, it's
589. 19:16not like I have any proof. I mean, I
590. 19:18feel it in my stomach. I feel it in the
591. 19:20energy. I feel like they don't like me.
592. 19:22It was a situation where I even texted
593. 19:24somebody that was supposed to be my
594. 19:25friend and was like, "I just don't feel
595. 19:26like you like me." And then it turns out
596. 19:28she actually didn't like real life hated
597. 19:31me. So, and instead of just trusting my
598. 19:34gut, I sat up there and was like, "Oh,
599. 19:36well, she hasn't done anything. Why wait
600. 19:38until somebody does something?" Gabby
601. 19:40felt off when they were at dinner. Gabby
602. 19:42felt off when she facetimed a friend and
603. 19:44Raven was like, "Asshole." And the
604. 19:46reason she probably said that was
605. 19:47because the friend facetimed Gabby,
606. 19:50right? And Raven doesn't like Gabby. Why
607. 19:53doesn't Raven like Gabby? Raven might
608. 19:55not like her because she's fat. Raven
609. 19:57might not like her because she's
610. 19:58dark-kinned. Raven might not like her
611. 20:00because she's a combo. So that goes into
612. 20:01number two. You don't have to have a
613. 20:03reason not to like somebody. Somebody
614. 20:04doesn't have to have a reason not to
615. 20:06like you. I used to naively again think
616. 20:08that people needed a reason. What have I
617. 20:10done to you? But honestly, your aura,
618. 20:12your personality, just who you are,
619. 20:14could rub somebody the wrong way. I
620. 20:16genuinely believe that Raven had a
621. 20:18problem with Gabby because of her
622. 20:19confidence. Because Gabby has always
623. 20:21been like, "This is what it is." I mean,
624. 20:23even in the pictures that Gabby most
625. 20:24recently took, she is confident. She
626. 20:27wears her fashions well, and this might
627. 20:29be why Raven said, "I never had a
628. 20:31plus-siz fashions. I never had a stylist
629. 20:33that helped me, you know, with my
630. 20:35plus-size fashions." Okay. Well, that
631. 20:37was in 2000s, and now the world is more
632. 20:39nuanced. Plus-sized people are breaking
633. 20:41down doors. You have creators like
634. 20:42Samara that makes videos, right?
635. 20:45Exposing the fact that plus-sized people
636. 20:47aren't treated fairly. They don't have
637. 20:49clothes that are stylish and cute or
638. 20:51even affordable. Yeah. So now you have
639. 20:54that. So instead of being like, "Oh,
640. 20:56thank God it's not like that anymore." A
641. 20:58lot of people will be like, "You know
642. 20:59what? You and everything you stand for."
643. 21:02And and what's number three? The people
644. 21:04that you don't expect others to be
645. 21:05jealous of, people are jealous of.
646. 21:07That's just what it is. You don't think
647. 21:09that anybody could be jealous of Gabby?
648. 21:11Yes, I'm jealous of her confidence. Let
649. 21:13me just tell you this. that aesthetic
650. 21:14image [ __ ] is only for America and it's
651. 21:17only for media. Other than that, real
652. 21:20life, if you're a if you're hard to talk
653. 21:23to, if you tell people's business, if
654. 21:26you are a snake, if you're a
655. 21:27manipulator, if you're a liar, these
656. 21:29things have nothing to do with your
657. 21:31image and everything to do with your
658. 21:32character. But in America, we're not
659. 21:33taught to look at character. Okay? Gabby
660. 21:35has a pretty cool life. She has a man
661. 21:38named Brandon that willing you up for
662. 21:40her. Period. Point blank. Brandon does
663. 21:42not play about Gabby, okay? Every day on
664. 21:45on threads, he's scouring, making sure
665. 21:48that he gets his politic talk out, but
666. 21:50that he also lets everybody know that
667. 21:52that's his queen.
668. 21:53>> Sorry to say this, but this is another
669. 21:54reason I tell black women to go where
670. 21:56you're appreciated. Go where you're
671. 21:57loved, not where you're tolerated. Go
672. 22:00where you're loved. I'm sorry. I'm
673. 22:02sorry. Pro Black.
674. 22:03>> I'm pro black. I promise. But I'm just
675. 22:05saying. Seems like she has somebody that
676. 22:07loves her and her kids. It seems like
677. 22:10she's still booked and busy. It seems
678. 22:12like she's still that [ __ ] And it
679. 22:14seems like she didn't have to change a
680. 22:16she didn't have to get on those zimpics.
681. 22:17She didn't have to do anything, right?
682. 22:18And if she chooses to, that's hering
683. 22:20business and I don't care and I'm still
684. 22:21going to support her. But I'm just
685. 22:23saying, you don't think that nobody
686. 22:24could be jealous of Gabby. People are
687. 22:27jealous of people that are authentic, of
688. 22:29people that are confident, of people
689. 22:30that love themselves and are able to
690. 22:32just live in their own skin. Because
691. 22:33even though Raven believes that Gabby
692. 22:35was embraced, I know, you know, and
693. 22:38Gabby knows she went through hell. But
694. 22:41can we just really talk about it?
695. 22:42There's no way. When when Precious came
696. 22:44out, everybody made KFC chicken jokes.
697. 22:47People when Lizo popped out, people were
698. 22:50on the news talking about her and then
699. 22:52when confronted like, why would you do
700. 22:54this? This is like this seems like
701. 22:55bullying. They were like, well, I just
702. 22:56care about physical health. I mean,
703. 22:58black women should care about their
704. 22:59physical health more because, you know,
705. 23:00they always do that bullying and shame
706. 23:02thing, but being like, "Oh, it's the
707. 23:03truth, and I'm just trying to help. Go
708. 23:05[ __ ] yourself." No, you're not. And
709. 23:06those are the same people that clutch
710. 23:08their pearls when you pull up to their
711. 23:11podcast and say,
712. 23:12>> "Well, YOU TALKING TO [screaming] ME."
713. 23:15>> THESE ARE THE SAME PEOPLE THAT can't
714. 23:16take anything back. They love to dish
715. 23:18it. They cannot take it. And I cannot
716. 23:20stand those type of people. And I don't
717. 23:22have any patience for them, period.
718. 23:23Let's just go down memory lane, shall
719. 23:25we? Can we take back racist and say
720. 23:27discriminatory because I think that's a
721. 23:29better word.
722. 23:29>> Yes, it is a much better word.
723. 23:30>> That's a better word. And I am very
724. 23:32discriminatory against words like the
725. 23:34ones that they were saying in those
726. 23:35names. I'm not about to hire you if your
727. 23:38name is watermelona. That's just not
728. 23:40going to happen. I'm not GOING TO HIRE
729. 23:42YOU.
730. 23:43>> I MEAN, when when you believe that you
731. 23:45ate cuz I do this all the time. I be
732. 23:47I'll be like, "Zinga, I did that shit."
733. 23:49And everybody around's like I'm like,
734. 23:51"Oh, okay. I guess not." The way that
735. 23:54she was dying laughing before the fact
736. 23:57that she wouldn't hire anybody with a
737. 23:59black name,
738. 24:00>> against words like the ones that they
739. 24:02were saying in those names. I'm not
740. 24:04about to hire you if your name is
741. 24:06Watermelandrea. [laughter] That's just
742. 24:07not going to happen.
743. 24:09>> I don't like to hire black people with
744. 24:10black people names. Okay.
745. 24:12>> The tweet was, "I can finally get
746. 24:14married. Yay, government. So proud of
747. 24:17you." Wow. That was August 2nd, 2013.
748. 24:20So, was that your way of coming out was
749. 24:23of saying you were gay?
750. 24:25>> That was my way of saying I'm proud of
751. 24:27the country. But I will say that um I'm
752. 24:30in I mean an amazing happy relationship
753. 24:33with my partner, a woman. I don't need
754. 24:36language. I don't need a categorizing
755. 24:39statement for it. I think that's one
756. 24:41thing that kind
757. 24:42>> So, you don't want to be labeled gay.
758. 24:44>> I don't want to be labeled gay. I want
759. 24:46to be labeled a human who loves humans.
760. 24:48I'm tired of being labeled. I'm an
761. 24:50American. I'm not an African-American.
762. 24:51I'm an American.
763. 24:53>> Oh, girl, don't set the Twitter on fire.
764. 24:56>> I'm sorry. I mean, what?
765. 24:58WHAT DID YOU JUST SAY? [screaming] STOP.
766. 25:00STOP. STOP THE tape right now. Okay.
767. 25:03>> I will say this.
768. 25:04>> What
769. 25:04>> I mean, I don't know where my roots go
770. 25:07to.
771. 25:07>> I don't know how far back they go. I
772. 25:09can't go on, you know. I don't know how
773. 25:11far back and I don't know what country
774. 25:13in Africa I'm from, but I do know that
775. 25:14my roots are in Louisiana. Mhm.
776. 25:17>> I'm an American and that's a colorless
777. 25:20person.
778. 25:20>> So this was 12 years ago where she was
779. 25:22like, "I'm a colorless person." So when
780. 25:24people were really upset with Raven,
781. 25:27right? Because she said, "I'm green."
782. 25:29Raven Baxter wasn't great. Raven has
783. 25:31been for years saying, "Stop with the
784. 25:33labels. You're not going to call me gay.
785. 25:35You're not going to call me black. I'm a
786. 25:37human being." And that's it. That is
787. 25:39what she feels. That's what she's always
788. 25:41felt. That is what she said. She's been
789. 25:43saying this for 10 years now. [laughter]
790. 25:46She has not changed. This is who she is.
791. 25:50And so to say that this is all Miranda's
792. 25:53fault, you know, Miranda's kind of
793. 25:55leaning into it. Complex magazine says
794. 25:57that Miranda has listed the labels of
795. 25:59herself. I'm Raven's handler. I'm
796. 26:02whitewashing her. I'm a gold digger. I'm
797. 26:04controlling. I don't let Raven do
798. 26:06anything by herself. I talk too much. I
799. 26:08interrupt. I didn't ra uh marry Raven
800. 26:11for her money. I'm richer. BuzzFeed says
801. 26:13that Miranda revealed that Raven once
802. 26:15broke up with her early on because she
803. 26:17wasn't ready to be with a white person.
804. 26:19Raven has also faced homophobia and
805. 26:22racial backlash since marrying her wife.
806. 26:25So Raven's always been to me it seems
807. 26:27hyper sensitive about the labels and
808. 26:29about the insults that have been thrown
809. 26:31her way even when she was young. But you
810. 26:33have to understand, having parents that
811. 26:35would even allow you to get plastic
812. 26:36surgery before you hit the age of 18 is
813. 26:39a breeding ground for insecurity and low
814. 26:43self-esteem. You told her before she
815. 26:45even became an adult that she wasn't
816. 26:47good enough and had to change something.
817. 26:49Things that she didn't want to change.
818. 26:50I'm off for plastic surgery if it's a
819. 26:52grown ass woman saying that this is how
820. 26:54I want my body to look. But she was a
821. 26:56teen. She didn't deserve that. I'm not
822. 26:58saying she's right about any of this
823. 26:59[ __ ] I'm just saying she didn't deserve
824. 27:00that. Let me know in the comments what
825. 27:02you believe down below. Are you on
826. 27:04Raven's side? Are you still a fan of
827. 27:06Raven? Me personally, I like Raven
828. 27:08Baxter. I like that. So, Raven. And I
829. 27:10also understand media enough to know I
830. 27:13don't know her. So, I would never put my
831. 27:16feelings on a fictional character and
832. 27:18how well she played a fictional
833. 27:20character that even though it felt real
834. 27:21to us when we were getting off the bus
835. 27:23and coming home to watch her, it wasn't
836. 27:26real for her. It was a paycheck. It was
837. 27:27a paycheck. Y'all, come on. Like, let me
838. 27:30know what you feel about this
839. 27:31conversation down below. I will meet you
840. 27:32down in the comments. Please go on down
841. 27:34to ketoaceta.com and support the page.
842. 27:37Please buy one of my beautiful journals
843. 27:38so that you don't say to anybody that
844. 27:40you're not black or that you won't hire
845. 27:41anybody by the name of watermelon
846. 27:43Andrea. I like putting [ __ ] in journals
847. 27:45and and keeping all that [ __ ] to myself.
848. 27:46Now, me personally, I'm going to say it
849. 27:47out loud. I'm going to say it out loud,
850. 27:49but other people shouldn't, especially
851. 27:51if you can't handle the backlash. Okay,
852. 27:53thank you so much for watching and until
853. 27:55next time, I will holler.