Fyre Fest Founder, Billy McFarland Tells All — Transcript

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1. 0:00Were the accommodations at Firefest
2. 0:01better or worse than the accommodations
3. 0:03in prison?
4. 0:03>> That's a good question. I plead the
5. 0:05fifth on that one.
6. 0:06>> So maybe instead of solitary
7. 0:07confinement, they should have just made
8. 0:09you live like a Firefest attendee for a
9. 0:10year.
10. 0:12>> Jesus Christ.
11. 0:15>> That's crazy.
12. 0:16>> He thought it was funny.
13. 0:17>> I think good TV show.
14. 0:19>> Billy McFarland has to live as a
15. 0:20Firefest one attendee for 6 months. Can
16. 0:22he survive?
17. 0:23>> He gets cheese and bread and nothing
18. 0:25else.
19. 0:26>> We'll take 8 million off his restitution
20. 0:28>> and and take influencers dancing all
21. 0:31around them.
22. 0:32>> You're like, "Sign me up for that." Hell
23. 0:33yeah.
24. 0:35>> Can I go now? Yeah.
25. 0:42>> Wow. Big show tonight. Big We got a big
26. 0:45show tonight. Billy. Um, what a what a
27. 0:51legend. Firefest founder. Um, he started
28. 0:55a credit card company.
29. 0:56>> Prison Survivor.
30. 0:57>> Prison Survivor. That's a big one. A lot
31. 0:59of people don't really get get out of
32. 1:02that. Um, Billy, how welcome to the
33. 1:05show.
34. 1:06>> Thank you. That's the uh top of my
35. 1:08resume. Prison survival.
36. 1:09>> Tell tell us what prison's like. I want
37. 1:11I kind of want to know what what's
38. 1:13what's prison like uh for a guy like
39. 1:16>> Seems like the sign seems like the sign
40. 1:18on the wall where it says break rules,
41. 1:19make money applies to most of the guys I
42. 1:21met there. So,
43. 1:25you guys know what's up.
44. 1:26>> Yeah, man. It's uh so I was like, you
45. 1:29know, it's like a lot of things going
46. 1:31on. I mean, like what a what a what a
47. 1:34career, Bill. I I don't know where to
48. 1:36start here. Um one of one of the things
49. 1:39I kind of want I'm curious is like uh do
50. 1:42you take anything to like sleep at
51. 1:44night?
52. 1:44>> Like how do you like like do you take
53. 1:47like a pill or do you do like a do you
54. 1:49smoke weed? Like give us a little like
55. 1:51synopsis on the dayto-day of of Billy
56. 1:53McFarland.
57. 1:56>> Damn. getting right into the into the
58. 1:58thick of it. Um,
59. 2:00>> I don't think I've tried any other drugs
60. 2:01except for weed in my life. I get a lot
61. 2:03of like, you know, how much cocaine are
62. 2:05you doing comments? I've never tried it.
63. 2:06I think I'd probably run through a wall
64. 2:08and and kill myself and probably hurt
65. 2:10other people as well. So, that's a good
66. 2:12thing. But, it's got to be no drugs.
67. 2:15>> I mean, like the judgment like uh it's
68. 2:17got to be like a the judgment of people
69. 2:19per how people perceive you versus who
70. 2:22you actually are. It's like how much of
71. 2:24it is false and how much is it is true?
72. 2:29>> Good question. I certainly did a lot of
73. 2:31upits
74. 2:33and violated trust in people I cared
75. 2:36about. So there's a lot that's wrong. I
76. 2:39think the thing that I don't like and it
77. 2:41kind of irked me the most is
78. 2:43>> there was enough bad that that should
79. 2:44stand alone. But of course, you know,
80. 2:46fiction always sells more. So, it was
81. 2:48always like weird to me how stories and
82. 2:50narratives had to be told when there was
83. 2:51like enough terrible to really focus on.
84. 2:53So, the world's a weird place. Media is
85. 2:56a weird weird industry and it's been
86. 2:58quite the ride.
87. 2:59>> Yeah. And like what about like did you
88. 3:01feel like you had to play full on heel
89. 3:03like a wrestler?
90. 3:05I had to play full on you,
91. 3:07>> you know, like you kind of like egg on
92. 3:09to the thing, you know, like after like
93. 3:12>> you kind of double down on it a little
94. 3:14bit.
95. 3:16>> Probably. I I certainly doubled down. I
96. 3:19think the the more the people get pissed
97. 3:22off, the more that the people who are
98. 3:24our customers or our partners, the more
99. 3:27interesting they feel and proud they
100. 3:28feel to be part of like a, you know,
101. 3:29kind of counterculture movement. So, I
102. 3:31definitely think that there's some
103. 3:33business I hope there's some business
104. 3:35sense in in continuing whatever the the
105. 3:38war may be.
106. 3:39>> Yeah, totally. Like I was like, you
107. 3:40know, like there's got to be some What
108. 3:42was What do you think the scariest
109. 3:43moment in your life was?
110. 3:46>> Uh scariest moment? I think being in
111. 3:49front of a judge who, you know,
112. 3:51singularly had the power and the ability
113. 3:54to smack her gavvel and decide how many
114. 3:57years of my life I would spend in jail.
115. 3:59H
116. 4:00what was that day like when you when
117. 4:02you're about to have your verdict?
118. 4:05>> I was sentenced to 6 years. Uh I was 25
119. 4:08or 26 to the time and up until that
120. 4:11point I'd been like living every day by
121. 4:13the hour, you know, trying to pay bills
122. 4:15by the hour, trying to survive by the
123. 4:17hour. And just to hear 6 years, couldn't
124. 4:20really fathom that that period of time.
125. 4:21It was super long and scary.
126. 4:23>> I bet. Man, it's I think about like
127. 4:25what's what were the scariest moments of
128. 4:27Firefest like when it was when was about
129. 4:29to go down? Like
130. 4:30>> did you ever think you were like in
131. 4:31physical danger?
132. 4:34>> Not really. I think a lot of that was
133. 4:36was played up. Um the the victims were
134. 4:40mostly the investors and there's, you
135. 4:42know, people I let down like who were
136. 4:44kind of collateral damage which is
137. 4:45awful. But I think this whole idea like
138. 4:47oh Bohemians weren't paid and they're
139. 4:49trying to kill them. I think that's all
140. 4:50kind of BS and I wish that wish that
141. 4:52true story there was told. So the safety
142. 4:54factor wasn't there. I think when really
143. 4:56hit the fan was when the our number two
144. 4:58record head of operations told me that
145. 4:59three people had gotten killed at the
146. 5:01festival and no one was hurt at all. It
147. 5:03it was totally [ __ ] Like that was
148. 5:04the
149. 5:04>> oh no one got what the [ __ ] is
150. 5:06happening. No one got hurt. No no one
151. 5:08was even slightly hurt. But like I was
152. 5:09told that and like in the moment
153. 5:10believed it and that was like like what
154. 5:12literally started turning airplanes
155. 5:13around in the air to go back home.
156. 5:15>> Dude, all that's that's insane. What
157. 5:18about Okay, I'd be more scared of these
158. 5:21billionaires trying to kill you than the
159. 5:23Bohemians, dog. I watch too many of
160. 5:25these blue collar or white collar films,
161. 5:27dude.
162. 5:27>> We all know about billionaires and
163. 5:28islands.
164. 5:28>> We know about billionaires and islands.
165. 5:30Yeah. I I've told one person in my life
166. 5:33this and I don't know why I'm doing this
167. 5:35now at the I was at the right time or
168. 5:36not but I I attempted to do a podcast
169. 5:39from the pay phone in jail and they took
170. 5:41me to solitary conf bad idea for anybody
171. 5:44listening but um they took me to
172. 5:47solitary confinement for 7 months.
173. 5:48>> Oh my god.
174. 5:49>> And they pulled me out of the cell you
175. 5:51know 2 months in. They questioned me on
176. 5:53something I had no idea what they were
177. 5:55asking me about. And the exact quote
178. 5:56from this person in charge who's, you
179. 5:58know, fairly powerful official said,
180. 6:01quote, "This is the type of thing where
181. 6:02the wrong person gets transferred to
182. 6:03your cell and your family's reading
183. 6:05about your suicide."
184. 6:06>> Oh my god. I mean, let's look what
185. 6:09happened.
186. 6:10>> This may be This is like 12 months after
187. 6:12Epstein died. So,
188. 6:14>> what the
189. 6:15>> Oh, because of because of one of the
190. 6:17investors, not somebody else in prison
191. 6:18with you. This was from the outside
192. 6:20you're being asked about. I I I think
193. 6:22they mean that that their point was that
194. 6:23there's someone who could who's not
195. 6:25there who could, you know, make
196. 6:26>> make you not there. Yeah.
197. 6:28>> Oh my god. Um, how much money did you
198. 6:31actually lose there?
199. 6:35>> A lot.
200. 6:36>> Yeah.
201. 6:36>> Uh, 30 30 million plus.
202. 6:38>> And you're still paying that back,
203. 6:39right? Correct. Like a part of your
204. 6:41proceeds forever.
205. 6:43>> Exactly. So every month I have to pay a
206. 6:45check and it's a percentage of my
207. 6:46income. So whether I earn $10 or $10
208. 6:48million and I'm not making 10 million,
209. 6:50right? But a percentage goes back to
210. 6:52>> interest.
211. 6:53>> What's it feel like to ow to owe the
212. 6:55government that much for the rest of
213. 6:56your life?
214. 6:58>> Really good question.
215. 7:01>> Um it's kind of weird because when when
216. 7:03I'm not making, you know, I have like
217. 7:04months where, you know, bad months where
218. 7:06income is super low and then no one
219. 7:07cares and then the second you have like
220. 7:09a good month and like do all right, then
221. 7:11like the people come at like every
222. 7:12angle. So it's kind of this like up
223. 7:15thing where it's almost designed to make
224. 7:16you not want to want to work. And
225. 7:17obviously I'm doing the opposite. But
226. 7:19yeah, it's kind of like kind of weird
227. 7:20where as soon as you start like doing
228. 7:21semi okay, then it just becomes like
229. 7:24more expensive to actually work and to
230. 7:25not work. Yeah.
231. 7:26>> Well, it feels like you're you're just
232. 7:28working for the government now. You're
233. 7:30not working for yourself. So for real.
234. 7:32So how do you departmentalize that in
235. 7:34your head to keep working if if it's not
236. 7:35for you, it's for them?
237. 7:38>> I just remember having a conversation
238. 7:39with with one of the entities that are
239. 7:41one of the government entries that are
240. 7:42owed and it's like, "All right, well, if
241. 7:44you're making $10 a month on this, we
242. 7:45want 12." I'm like, "Well, why why
243. 7:47wouldn't you just sit home and play
244. 7:48video games?" Like, how does that like
245. 7:49how does that make sense? Like like how
246. 7:51am I losing money to to to work? So,
247. 7:53it's kind of weird.
248. 7:54>> Yeah. I read I read during your like
249. 7:56during your probation you were required
250. 7:57to work like 30 hours a week at like a
251. 8:00regular job basically. Was that true?
252. 8:02And also like how did that feel? Cuz
253. 8:04obviously you're not wired for that. So
254. 8:06was that worse than solitary confinement
255. 8:08or
256. 8:10>> So the only time that that was actually
257. 8:11true was during um like a halfway house
258. 8:14which I was at for 4 months. Okay.
259. 8:16>> So, it was a pretty pretty short period
260. 8:17of time and just went and worked for,
261. 8:19you know, a friend's company, but yeah,
262. 8:20it was like three and a half or four
263. 8:21months. It was pretty short.
264. 8:22>> What kind of job were you working?
265. 8:25>> Uh, it was I'm not going to say the
266. 8:27company's name, but a friend is a tech
267. 8:28company. So, you know, tech startup in
268. 8:29in New York. Yeah.
269. 8:30>> Okay.
270. 8:31>> What What I I'd be curious about uh your
271. 8:35real friends when this went down. How
272. 8:38what could you find out who your real
273. 8:40friends were versus the people who just
274. 8:42ditched you immediately?
275. 8:45You know what the craziest thing is? Is
276. 8:46if you asked me like 10 years ago to put
277. 8:48down write down five people that would
278. 8:50have stuck around and five people that
279. 8:51would have left, I I probably would have
280. 8:53gotten every single one wrong.
281. 8:54>> Really?
282. 8:56>> Mhm. And that was like one of the
283. 8:57weirdest things for like just like life,
284. 8:59you know, smacking you in the face type
285. 9:01of thing. Would have gotten everyone
286. 9:02wrong.
287. 9:03>> Did that hurt you?
288. 9:06>> For sure. And I think it's like it's
289. 9:07made more sense over time, but I think
290. 9:08the ones that that I gave the most to
291. 9:11were the first to leave because, you
292. 9:13know, they were around for the free. And
293. 9:15ironically, some of the people I hurt
294. 9:16the most,
295. 9:18>> they're the ones that stayed. And so it
296. 9:20kind of like it makes sense but doesn't
297. 9:21make sense. It was like a really weird
298. 9:23thought process.
299. 9:24>> Who are who are more pissed off at you,
300. 9:27people of public like a jaw rule or
301. 9:29investors?
302. 9:32Um, the biggest investors are the most
303. 9:34understanding, which I think is like,
304. 9:37>> yeah,
305. 9:37>> I think it's counterintuitive, but I
306. 9:38guess it's not. But like if you made
307. 9:40probably lose a bunch, but yeah, they're
308. 9:42they're always they're used to it.
309. 9:43>> It's a numbers game. It's Yeah,
310. 9:45>> I think if if if you've made $2 billion,
311. 9:47you've seen some. So, I think it's like,
312. 9:49oh, whatever. It's like, you know, I
313. 9:51lost one. I I won 10. Like, I'll be all
314. 9:52right. It's like the the smaller
315. 9:54investors are probably the ones that are
316. 9:55the most mad who, you know,
317. 9:57>> the risk
318. 9:57>> thought this was their chance to make
319. 9:59Yeah. you know, I'm gonna take give you
320. 10:00five grand and make, you know, 500
321. 10:02million off this and like I'll do it.
322. 10:04Like those are the ones that got the
323. 10:05most pissed.
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343. 10:49What about like what was your
344. 10:51conversations like with draw rule
345. 10:52afterwards? like was he so pissed or did
346. 10:54was this like a thing or like any any of
347. 10:56the public figures like the guys who
348. 10:58were going to like take a bunch of the
349. 11:00grunt from the media were I was curious
350. 11:02about those guys more.
351. 11:04>> My last last interaction with Jaw Rule
352. 11:06was uh my lawyer called me in and said
353. 11:09um Jaw Rule is going in to cooperate
354. 11:11with the government tomorrow. And I said
355. 11:13what does that mean? And he said if you
356. 11:15talk to him again I'm not going to
357. 11:16represent you. So never spoke with him
358. 11:18since.
359. 11:18>> Holy.
360. 11:19>> Do you want to speak with him? Do you
361. 11:21want to speak with him?
362. 11:22is no interest.
363. 11:24>> Yeah. What about your lawyer? Um, tell
364. 11:26me about how he approached this whole
365. 11:28thing. Was he was he good to you? Was it
366. 11:30hard or you still have him in your life?
367. 11:35>> I think from the lawyer side, they did
368. 11:36they did a great job. Like I I was black
369. 11:38and white guilty, so there's not really
370. 11:40much you can do.
371. 11:41>> Yeah. Right. Yeah. Yeah. There wasn't
372. 11:43like a big Yeah. Yeah. Respect.
373. 11:45>> Yeah. There's not We can argue this like
374. 11:48it's all on paper. It's You signed it.
375. 11:50Yeah. It's all It's all on paper and
376. 11:52like there's not
377. 11:54>> Yeah,
378. 11:55>> there's not much we can really do. Uh I
379. 11:57think the weird thing was just like
380. 11:58meeting different people throughout the
381. 12:00process who got either like more time or
382. 12:02less time and then like thinking my
383. 12:03thing was either too short or too long
384. 12:05and like I've never, you know, I never
385. 12:07thought otherwise, right? It was always
386. 12:08either I got too long and didn't get
387. 12:09enough and that was kind of a weird
388. 12:11process.
389. 12:11>> What about your mental health through
390. 12:13that thing? Did you ever um like think
391. 12:16about suicide or like how you were so
392. 12:18alone, man. Like I that's a hard time. I
393. 12:21mean
394. 12:21>> it is up what happened and what you did
395. 12:23and stuff but also you as a human I
396. 12:26still you know think about your heart
397. 12:28and your mind like how was that how are
398. 12:30you going through there?
399. 12:32>> Thank you. Good question. I think the
400. 12:34weird thing is before everything
401. 12:36collapsed the people around me probably
402. 12:38overestimated my abilities, right? I had
403. 12:40tons of employees and people like that
404. 12:42and they were all kind of like go go
405. 12:43like the yesmen. And then when things
406. 12:45went wrong, it went from like, hey, he
407. 12:48he can't even figure out how to work at
408. 12:49an ice cream shop, right? We need to
409. 12:51like treat him like he's like he's he's
410. 12:53like totally challenged. So it was like
411. 12:54the total like opposite ends of the
412. 12:56spectrum. And it was kind of weird just
413. 12:58seeing like you know friends and family
414. 12:59go from like oh you can do anything to
415. 13:00oh like hey like where can he even live
416. 13:03in her basement? Like is he capable of
417. 13:05that? So
418. 13:06>> weird process.
419. 13:07>> That's I mean you must have been super
420. 13:08alone man. I would do you what about
421. 13:10suicide? Would you ever you is that ever
422. 13:12cross your mind?
423. 13:13>> No. That's good.
424. 13:14>> Never. Never.
425. 13:15>> How'd you convince these super
426. 13:17millionaires to give $26 million to a
427. 13:2025-year-old kid?
428. 13:22>> Yeah. I think it's up. I I knew most of
429. 13:24them for years before it and the
430. 13:27majority of the money came from people
431. 13:28who had invested in my previous
432. 13:30businesses and they had seen small wins,
433. 13:33small failures along the way. So, when I
434. 13:35truthfully said I think this is the
435. 13:36biggest opportunity, right, they didn't
436. 13:38question it. But I think that was where
437. 13:40the the trust was violated. Um, what
438. 13:42were your business before this?
439. 13:44>> I had a credit card company that you
440. 13:46alluded to. Yeah. Called Magnesus.
441. 13:48>> And then I had a tech company before
442. 13:50that.
443. 13:50>> Oh, that was like a social media link
444. 13:52sharing thing, right?
445. 13:54>> Exactly. Exactly.
446. 13:56>> So, what made you want to do another
447. 13:58Firefest? Or was that a
448. 14:01what was your what was your philosophy
449. 14:03on that?
450. 14:04>> It's really hard to do anything after
451. 14:06jail, right? Like people are scared to
452. 14:07touch you.
453. 14:08>> I know. You see that with people getting
454. 14:10jobs in prison too, like you know, like
455. 14:12even like little jobs.
456. 14:14>> The music industry is already crazy
457. 14:16enough. Like,
458. 14:16>> yeah,
459. 14:18>> it's hard. And I think the one thing
460. 14:19that I'm lucky is to have these media
461. 14:21opportunities, right? I think
462. 14:23>> media is the one industry where they'll
463. 14:25still have you on because it serves
464. 14:27them. So like the big media companies
465. 14:28aren't scared to, you know, have me
466. 14:30whether it's for a show or an interview
467. 14:31or whatever, but other industries are.
468. 14:33So
469. 14:34>> yeah,
470. 14:34>> kind of had to had to lean into that,
471. 14:36right? And I feel like going into the
472. 14:38belly of the beast was the best way to
473. 14:40create some opportunity and try to get a
474. 14:42team and and get a chance to get back to
475. 14:43work.
476. 14:44>> Yeah. And like, you know, I'm not saying
477. 14:45this like ignorantly. I'm just asking
478. 14:47you like, do you have remorse? Is that
479. 14:50in you?
480. 14:51>> Oh, for 100%.
481. 14:53>> Yeah. And as you get older, do you feel
482. 14:55like you become more sensitive to
483. 14:56remorse?
484. 15:00>> I think I've gone through periods of
485. 15:03like how I've self- internalized the
486. 15:05guilt, right? There were some days where
487. 15:06I'm like, I'm the world's worst person
488. 15:08and then, you know, some days something
489. 15:10happens or I see something else and I'm
490. 15:11like, okay, like I I have a chance,
491. 15:13right? I'm not as bad as this guy. So,
492. 15:15it's been kind of kind of this weird
493. 15:16like cycle. And I think the weirdest
494. 15:18thing is especially for the first like
495. 15:20year after jail, every single person I
496. 15:22met, they they try to whether connect or
497. 15:24confide, they all told me like the worst
498. 15:26things they've ever done. I'm like, wow.
499. 15:27I'm like
500. 15:31>> they're just trying to relate with you
501. 15:32LIKE I WENT TO PRISON. I WENT TO PRISON
502. 15:34FOR THIS.
503. 15:35>> SO, who do you who do you feel worse for
504. 15:36in the fire? Like, who do you feel the
505. 15:38worst for in the Firefest situation?
506. 15:41>> I think one, you know, family who had
507. 15:43nothing to do with my work at all,
508. 15:45right? And they kind of became the real
509. 15:46victims from the jail and the media and
510. 15:48all that all that BS. And then two, the
511. 15:50people who I knew the longest, I think
512. 15:51the investors who were like good people
513. 15:54and they backed me when I was a young
514. 15:55kid, right? And just like wanted to
515. 15:57wanted to like give me a shot. I think
516. 15:58those the ones I I let down the most.
517. 16:00>> What about like the local Bahamians and
518. 16:02stuff? Are they still getting paid back
519. 16:03or is that
520. 16:05>> Yeah, I think like that's like the worst
521. 16:06part of the story for me and and I don't
522. 16:08know how to like say this right. I'm not
523. 16:11going to say it right, but that story is
524. 16:12[ __ ] Like they were, you know, they
525. 16:13were paid millions and millions of
526. 16:14dollars and I think we really helped
527. 16:16tourism wise. So I think it's tough to
528. 16:18like approach it so bluntly, but the I
529. 16:21didn't see the dock, but the woman who
530. 16:23claimed to be owed this money, this doc,
531. 16:25you know, never knew she existed. Like
532. 16:26it's just it's not real. So it's a it's
533. 16:28a tough situation. So when did you start
534. 16:30knowing that uh media and everyone was
535. 16:33um flipping the story like uh you know
536. 16:35there's like a tipping point in media
537. 16:38where the this the propaganda starts
538. 16:40getting really crazy.
539. 16:42I think I was doing like one interview
540. 16:44after and I was so like focused on the
541. 16:47guilt to the investors and they just
542. 16:49didn't care about the investors like oh
543. 16:51what about this? What about this? I'm
544. 16:52like no like I legitimately hurt these
545. 16:54people who like believed in me and they
546. 16:56just like they couldn't have cared less.
547. 16:58I think people just it was the media
548. 17:00realized it's harder to make somebody
549. 17:01feel bad for a super wealthy person who
550. 17:03lost money, right? And it's easier to
551. 17:05make someone feel bad for someone who
552. 17:07seemingly was taken advantage of who has
553. 17:09nothing. So I think that's kind of like
554. 17:10what twisted it the most.
555. 17:13>> Oh, do you ever run into like people
556. 17:15that attended the festival like when
557. 17:16you're walking around New York or
558. 17:18anything?
559. 17:18>> All all the time. I've met three I was
560. 17:21talk talking to somebody earlier. I met
561. 17:22three couples who met at Fire Festival
562. 17:24who got married after. So I think that
563. 17:26was pretty cool. So, what's their
564. 17:27reaction towards it? The people who are
565. 17:29actually there.
566. 17:31>> Uh, I think secretly most of them had a
567. 17:33good time.
568. 17:34>> Oh my god.
569. 17:35>> Really? That's crazy. That's crazy.
570. 17:38>> I don't know. I saw those sandwiches.
571. 17:40>> Yeah, that's
572. 17:42So, that's my question. You know, like
573. 17:44what were the accommodations at Firefest
574. 17:46or worse than the accommodations in
575. 17:48prison?
576. 17:48>> That's a good question. I pleaded the
577. 17:50fifth on that one.
578. 17:51>> So, maybe instead of solitary
579. 17:52confinement, they should have just made
580. 17:53you live like a Firefest attendee for a
581. 17:55year.
582. 17:57Jesus Christ.
583. 18:00>> That's crazy.
584. 18:01>> He thought it was funny.
585. 18:01>> I think good TV show.
586. 18:03>> Billy McFarland has to live as a
587. 18:05Firefest one attendee for 6 months. Can
588. 18:07he survive?
589. 18:08>> He gets cheese and bread and nothing
590. 18:10else.
591. 18:10>> We'll take 8 million off his restitution
592. 18:13>> and and Tik Tok influencers dancing all
593. 18:15around him.
594. 18:17>> You're like, sign me up for that. Hell
595. 18:18yeah.
596. 18:20>> Can I can I go now?
597. 18:21>> Who are the who are who are meaner? the
598. 18:23the influencers or um like the people
599. 18:26who were you guys because you hired a
600. 18:28ton of influencers to go down there. Do
601. 18:30you regret doing that now and just let
602. 18:34the festival just be awesome as it
603. 18:37supposedly was going to be? I wasn't
604. 18:40>> awesome. It's like as as stupid and like
605. 18:43granular as it sounds. Uh I made one
606. 18:45decision the day of that ruined it. And
607. 18:47like if that decision wasn't made, there
608. 18:49still would have been a festival. People
609. 18:50were arriving like ear
610. 18:52>> people were arriving early in the
611. 18:53morning and I felt like it didn't look
612. 18:55good enough. No. Right. So instead of
613. 18:57just saying like all right like let's
614. 18:58everybody come at 8 a.m. when they're
615. 19:00sober and like get situated. We sent
616. 19:02them to a beach on the other side of the
617. 19:04island like with like a bunch of booze
618. 19:05and boats and parties and then had them
619. 19:07all come at 9:00 p.m. So they were like
620. 19:10drunk and it was dark and like it was a
621. 19:11thousand people instead of like 50
622. 19:13people at a time and that kind of
623. 19:14created the chaos. So a stupid idea
624. 19:17really like that. I thought we could
625. 19:18make it look great in however many hours
626. 19:20and we couldn't and like it wouldn't
627. 19:21really have mattered. Uh it was going to
628. 19:23look bad anyway. So people should have
629. 19:24just come when they were sober.
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681. 21:17If you could have done it differently,
682. 21:20what would you have more would you have
683. 21:21made more time to prepare?
684. 21:24>> Uh time and not lied to the investors. I
685. 21:26actually think I would have raised more
686. 21:27money if I didn't lie. I think for the
687. 21:29most part they knew I was lying and they
688. 21:32>> that we're just doing better than we
689. 21:33were. M
690. 21:35>> so I think I think they all knew I was
691. 21:37lying and they were like investing
692. 21:38despite of that and if I had told the
693. 21:40truth they probably would have invested
694. 21:42more. So I think like ironically it
695. 21:43actually made it made it worse.
696. 21:45>> Did any of
697. 21:46>> Yeah, it's kind of weird you're saying
698. 21:47that but we'll still do it right like it
699. 21:49was a weird situation.
700. 21:51>> Do you feel like they were hiding money
701. 21:52like kind of this is just like a tax
702. 21:54write off? They're like it if it fails
703. 21:56it fails,
704. 21:56>> right? No, I think they assumed like as
705. 21:59it got closer they weren't going to make
706. 22:00money on that festival, but had it had
707. 22:03worked, they would have owned part of a
708. 22:04brand that had a chance. So, I think
709. 22:06that was kind of the logic at the end.
710. 22:08>> That's um I'm curious about this. How do
711. 22:12you keep Did you keep going with the
712. 22:14credit card company after Firefest?
713. 22:17>> I sold it for like pennies in the dollar
714. 22:19maybe a month after. M I was also
715. 22:22actually curious about the time with the
716. 22:24ticket the ticket scam like when you
717. 22:26were on bail for Firefest. Were you like
718. 22:29it I'm already in so much trouble like I
719. 22:30might as well just try this too or like
720. 22:32what was the thought process there?
721. 22:35>> Yeah, I think I still don't know how to
722. 22:37justify that. It certainly was wrong. Um
723. 22:39I think where like Fire Festival was so
724. 22:42black and white like black being guilty
725. 22:44the everything after was kind of a gray
726. 22:46area and I shouldn't have been doing it.
727. 22:48I don't think it was as drastic as
728. 22:50stories had been told, but it was wrong
729. 22:52and that was that was a time to like sit
730. 22:54down and shut the up and I didn't do
731. 22:55that and like said that's that's guilt
732. 22:57in itself.
733. 22:59>> What advice would you give young
734. 23:01promoters starting festivals
735. 23:04if they'll if if looking back at seeing
736. 23:07a flop like this, what would you give
737. 23:10advice to people starting new festivals?
738. 23:14I
739. 23:14>> mean, I don't think they make any money,
740. 23:16so I think that's probably a bad
741. 23:17motivation. I mean, we're we're
742. 23:18musicians. I do I'm in the jam scene.
743. 23:21So, like I do 40 festivals a year and I
744. 23:23see these new guys new festival pop up
745. 23:26all the time. I'm like,
746. 23:27>> see, don't I won't see you next year
747. 23:29>> or what? I don't want to say that, but
748. 23:31it's like,
749. 23:31>> you know what I mean, though? Like,
750. 23:33being exaggerating, but
751. 23:34>> it's a lot. It's a hard balance of how
752. 23:36what the lineup is, the music, the bands
753. 23:39on it, and how easy it is to get to the
754. 23:42location, you know, like what what would
755. 23:43you what advice would you give someone
756. 23:46>> to do for if you're giving anyone advice
757. 23:50about music festivals?
758. 23:51>> I think it's just it's just not a good
759. 23:53way to make money cuz I think music is
760. 23:54so sexy that there's always going to be
761. 23:56people who are paying artists more than
762. 23:58they can make back because they want to
763. 23:59be involved, right? So it's hard to
764. 24:01actually make money when you're
765. 24:02competing against people or someone
766. 24:04who's like willing to lose because they
767. 24:06want to be associated with a
768. 24:10game. So I think it's tough.
769. 24:12>> There is a cultural capital to it or for
770. 24:14sure.
771. 24:15>> 100% 100%. And you're going to be
772. 24:16competing against somebody who has
773. 24:18unlimited money, but they have zero
774. 24:20cultural, you know, capital or status
775. 24:22and they're willing to spend to that.
776. 24:24>> That's why Jeff Bezos had his wedding on
777. 24:25a yacht. Do you think Live Nation after
778. 24:27seeing Do you think Live Nation after
779. 24:29seeing your story was like
780. 24:31>> yes
781. 24:34>> a little attention driven away?
782. 24:36>> A little tension driven away from the
783. 24:37big colome like poor guy like you know
784. 24:41what
785. 24:42>> did you have Nation or AEG or anyone to
786. 24:45like partner?
787. 24:47>> No no no comment. So
788. 24:49>> yeah. Oh yeah. That's that lawyer. Good.
789. 24:52Good job Bill.
790. 24:53>> He's on the other side. You're on the
791. 24:55eye on the prize. I'm on the prize. Um,
792. 24:58>> a couple.
793. 24:58>> I don't want the wrong person getting
794. 24:59transferred to my to my neighborhood and
795. 25:01me getting deleted.
796. 25:03>> But do you really feel like that could
797. 25:05possibly that still is a possibility for
798. 25:07you?
799. 25:08>> Uh, probably. Who knows? Who knows?
800. 25:11>> What if you stop pay more people to
801. 25:13worry about?
802. 25:13>> What if you just like say I'm done
803. 25:15paying the government? What happens?
804. 25:19>> I don't know. I I I don't want to know,
805. 25:20but just like it's the the the income is
806. 25:23up and down, right? There's there's good
807. 25:24months, there's bad months. So, it's
808. 25:25it's like it's it's spotty. I'm doing
809. 25:28what I can do.
810. 25:29>> Do you think you'll ever pay back the
811. 25:31money?
812. 25:33>> I think so. And whether it takes 2 years
813. 25:35or 7 years or 47 years, I I have I have
814. 25:37no idea.
815. 25:38>> What What's your plan? Like, what are
816. 25:40your business? What are you doing now to
817. 25:42uh kind of get out of that hole?
818. 25:46>> Well, we just finally did our festival
819. 25:48in December, so that was cool.
820. 25:49>> How'd that go?
821. 25:50>> It was It was good. We rented a little
822. 25:52island off the coast of Utilla, which is
823. 25:54Honduras in the Caribbean. So, yeah,
824. 25:57>> we did a 400 person little festival
825. 25:59there on the island. It was great.
826. 26:00>> Who played
827. 26:01>> the Yeah. Uh, French Fontana was like
828. 26:04the main act and we had Slim Jimmy from
829. 26:07Ray Shremer. We had Bobby Scha.
830. 26:08>> I watched some of the stream.
831. 26:10>> Yeah.
832. 26:11>> Seemed like there was a lot of locals
833. 26:12there.
834. 26:14>> Yeah, for sure. It was like 400 425
835. 26:16people, so it kept it small. And you had
836. 26:18a range of ticket packages up to like a
837. 26:19million dollar package or
838. 26:22>> uh we did.
839. 26:24>> Did any Did anybody buy the
840. 26:25million-dollar package?
841. 26:27>> Uh not for that one. No, unfortunately.
842. 26:29>> It comes with like a private jet from
843. 26:31from Miami. What was it? It was like a
844. 26:33private jet and a in a chef.
845. 26:35>> You think people are worried that you're
846. 26:36just going to put them on Spirit, Bill?
847. 26:40>> I think that would have been best case
848. 26:41scenario.
849. 26:44>> That'd be the least of their worries.
850. 26:46>> Oh man. No worries.
851. 26:48>> I didn't get a check bag.
852. 26:52>> I didn't get a check.
853. 26:54>> Um,
854. 26:55can we talk about your personal life a
855. 26:57little bit, Bill? What What's it like um
856. 26:59trying to be trying to be in love and
857. 27:01trying to like tell like get intimate
858. 27:04with someone and have them trust you
859. 27:06from not having them see what you did in
860. 27:09your past?
861. 27:11>> Yeah, I always get asked that. Um,
862. 27:14such a weird thing. I think like even
863. 27:16just seeing friends and family when when
864. 27:19I didn't see them for a period of time,
865. 27:20they started thinking like they started
866. 27:23believing things were worse than they
867. 27:24really were just because the obviously
868. 27:26the news, the stories, they'd hear it.
869. 27:28And then I think for the first like year
870. 27:29when I got released, I'd go and see
871. 27:31someone for the first time and like 5
872. 27:32minutes in you'd see him like snap back
873. 27:34like, "Oh, like you're the same guy. I
874. 27:36know the same strengths, the same flaws,
875. 27:37like you know, it's like you're the same
876. 27:39person." I think it just takes the
877. 27:40FaceTime, but after that it's, you know,
878. 27:42pretty quick to get back to normal with
879. 27:43people I'm close with.
880. 27:45Oh man, it's like it's or like falling
881. 27:49in love like uh are you are you married?
882. 27:51Have a girlfriend or anything?
883. 27:53Was
884. 27:54>> long time girlfriend. So
885. 27:55>> long time girlfriend. She stuck with
886. 27:56you.
887. 27:57>> Yeah, she did. Yeah.
888. 27:59>> Was that tough in the the beginning
889. 28:01years? How'd you uh
890. 28:02>> She's Yeah, she's crazier than me. So
891. 28:05I'll respect I'll clap to that. That's
892. 28:09>> We all need a crazy woman in our life.
893. 28:12>> Um no comment.
894. 28:13>> Oh man. Keep us on track.
895. 28:15>> Yeah. Yeah. Keep My lawyer's saying no
896. 28:16comment on the crazy woman thing.
897. 28:19>> Are you guys married?
898. 28:20>> Uh, no. Basically,
899. 28:22>> he's basically I'm just a
900. 28:25>> understood.
901. 28:26>> I'm just been on the road for 15 years,
902. 28:28you know, torn. So, no, not really.
903. 28:31>> Um,
904. 28:31>> any anytime soon or not?
905. 28:32>> I think I think so. I think I'm almost
906. 28:34ready to find love. I've found some, you
907. 28:37know, it's nice.
908. 28:38>> We'll get you to do your reality show.
909. 28:39>> You found some pockets of it.
910. 28:41>> Yeah, it does. What? Just Billy and Andy
911. 28:43find love.
912. 28:43>> Yeah. He's going to be in the tent and
913. 28:45you have to find love within 6 months.
914. 28:46>> Yeah. With an influencer from Firefest.
915. 28:49>> Yeah. Yeah. You have to date every
916. 28:51influencer from Firefest and he has to
917. 28:52live in the tent
918. 28:54>> Oh,
919. 28:54>> with the hand. This is awesome.
920. 28:56>> So, tell me about how you find new
921. 28:58friends now. Is it harder to trust
922. 29:00people to be in your life?
923. 29:03>> Yeah, for sure. Um, I mean, I think it's
924. 29:05hard for them to trust me, right? I
925. 29:06think one of the things I I I realized
926. 29:09too it's like people are every no one
927. 29:11gives a [ __ ] about you, right? They're
928. 29:12scared for themselves, right?
929. 29:13>> So I think people most people aren't
930. 29:16like concerned about what I may or may
931. 29:18not say or do. It's like what will my
932. 29:20boss think? What will my wife say? What
933. 29:22will my parents say to me, right? People
934. 29:23are always just concerned about their
935. 29:24own. So I think once they really
936. 29:26understood that, it's made it made it
937. 29:27easier to to internalize. any of the
938. 29:29investors like just lose everything
939. 29:31because of this investment like lost
940. 29:34their house, lost their families.
941. 29:36>> I I don't think so and I really hope
942. 29:38not. So
943. 29:39>> yeah, that's uh that'd be what I'd be
944. 29:42like, damn. Like if you convince like
945. 29:43one of your homies who just took out all
946. 29:45his savings, you know,
947. 29:46>> like those Bitcoin rug pools.
948. 29:47>> Yeah. Yeah.
949. 29:49>> Most of the most of the investors were
950. 29:52like professional venture investors. It
951. 29:53doesn't make it right, but no, like it's
952. 29:55>> So, what's what's it like going back
953. 29:57into these venture capitalist meetings
954. 29:59and say, "Hey, man, I'm the Firefest
955. 30:00guy. I need some more capital." How are
956. 30:03how have those meetings been for you in
957. 30:05your um recent life?
958. 30:07>> I I have a lot of restrictions on like
959. 30:09what I can or can't do financially. I
960. 30:11think ironically, if I if I didn't have
961. 30:13restrictions, I could probably raise
962. 30:14money easier now than ever.
963. 30:16>> Really?
964. 30:17>> How explain that? Like what like what
965. 30:19restrictions do you have?
966. 30:22I can't like sell securities is kind of
967. 30:24like the one rule. So, you know, it I
968. 30:27can't go be like, "Hey, for a million
969. 30:28dollars, I'll give you 10% of my
970. 30:30company." So, I can't like you can't
971. 30:32raise traditional venture capital,
972. 30:34>> right? So, how so what how do you what's
973. 30:36your philosophy of how to raise capital
974. 30:38then if you can't do that? I
975. 30:40>> mean, I really can't it's got to earn
976. 30:41it. So, doing a documentary, we did like
977. 30:43a live stream for the festival. I do
978. 30:45marketing work. I got to got to grind it
979. 30:47out. So, not easy.
980. 30:49>> Oh, man. What's How did the stream do?
981. 30:51Did that make some dough?
982. 30:54>> Uh I got paid for the rights for it, so
983. 30:56you know. Okay. Different a different
984. 30:58company owns it. Yeah. Sold the rights
985. 31:00for the live stream documentary.
986. 31:02>> So I know that uh Limewire bought the
987. 31:04Firefest like brand last summer and you
988. 31:06said last month on LinkedIn you're
989. 31:08trying to buy it back. Is that because
990. 31:09of that cultural capital that it comes
991. 31:11with it or or what's the philosophy
992. 31:13behind you trying to get it back? I
993. 31:14think we had a so I think we had like
994. 31:16when it was when it was me plus fire it
995. 31:18was just too scary for most people to
996. 31:19want to deal with and so I thought we
997. 31:21had to like decouple it right we did our
998. 31:24little event you know built some trust
999. 31:25back on that through a couple other you
1000. 31:27know ventures so now I think
1001. 31:29>> it's such an important part of my life
1002. 31:30I'd love to have it back
1003. 31:32>> okay
1004. 31:34um in your heart of hearts
1005. 31:36>> so so for for $5 million for 5% No I'm
1006. 31:39just kidding you wrong guy we're in the
1007. 31:43jam scene We we basically we barely get
1008. 31:46per DMs at these. You might be hitting
1009. 31:47you up. Yeah, we might be hitting you up
1010. 31:49for money, you know.
1011. 31:51>> Um, you know, in your heart of hearts,
1012. 31:53um, you know, I say that very, um, do
1013. 31:58you think you're a con you're a con man
1014. 32:00or are a con man or were a con man now
1015. 32:04looking back of it or No,
1016. 32:06>> no, I think I was desperate and made
1017. 32:08some really bad decisions that I
1018. 32:10shouldn't have made. Yeah. Yeah. But
1019. 32:11yeah, so
1020. 32:12>> I I mean you were so young, dude. Like
1021. 32:14I'd be scared shitless to talk to these
1022. 32:16investors. When you see the festival,
1023. 32:18the thing you convinced them is losing.
1024. 32:20>> I mean, it must have been weird. I mean,
1025. 32:23>> I guarantee a lot of people would lie.
1026. 32:25>> Do you think you'd be the best car
1027. 32:26salesman of all time if you wanted to do
1028. 32:28that?
1029. 32:30>> I don't think so.
1030. 32:31>> No, I don't know. You kind of I think
1031. 32:32you could be a really good salesman.
1032. 32:34>> Sell a jet.
1033. 32:35>> You can sell a music festival. You can
1034. 32:37sell a Jetta. I mean, I'd see that. Who
1035. 32:40was Okay, so I couple more questions and
1036. 32:42we'll I would and we'll we'll close this
1037. 32:44up. But who was your target for
1038. 32:47Firefest? Who were like the people that
1039. 32:49you wanted what bands you wanted the
1040. 32:50most and you almost had them and didn't
1041. 32:53get them?
1042. 32:56>> This was obviously pre-meltdown number
1043. 32:58like 54, but I really wanted Kanye West.
1044. 33:01So we uh
1045. 33:03>> we um we had good music, which was his
1046. 33:05record label at the time, headlining
1047. 33:08>> and it was officially like five or six
1048. 33:10of the other acts, but there was always
1049. 33:12kind of hope and and anticipation he was
1050. 33:14going to come. So I thought that would
1051. 33:16be cool. Um I wanted Blink A2 until they
1052. 33:19lied and said they didn't get paid and
1053. 33:21canceled they got paid. So them
1054. 33:22>> hold on. They li What happened with
1055. 33:24them?
1056. 33:25>> They said they didn't get paid and they
1057. 33:27did. They got 500k and just kept it.
1058. 33:29>> Oh my god. Oh,
1059. 33:31>> very that's a hot goss.
1060. 33:32>> Interesting.
1061. 33:33>> That's hot goss.
1062. 33:35>> Oh, wow.
1063. 33:37>> How many people did that? How many bands
1064. 33:40took the money and said they didn't get
1065. 33:41paid?
1066. 33:43>> Um, every single band got paid. I think
1067. 33:45Blink2 was the only one that lied about
1068. 33:47it not getting paid, but they were all
1069. 33:49paid.
1070. 33:49>> You think they did it for marketing
1071. 33:51reasons?
1072. 33:52>> We already said
1073. 33:53>> they came out and said like, "Oh, our
1074. 33:55brand doesn't align with like rich kids
1075. 33:57on these yachts." Meanwhile, like Travis
1076. 33:59Barker had us chartering like a $200,000
1077. 34:01yacht for him to take him from Miami to
1078. 34:03>> Kardashian
1079. 34:06Kardashian.
1080. 34:07Lot of hot goss today. Lot of hot goss.
1081. 34:11>> We hate these yachts except that we
1082. 34:12require the nicest one for for our show.
1083. 34:15>> Interesting.
1084. 34:15>> Very interesting. When it's all said and
1085. 34:17done, what do you want to be remembered
1086. 34:19by?
1087. 34:22>> Not giving up. And hopefully that leads
1088. 34:24to a good outcome. Do you still believe
1089. 34:26in the American dream?
1090. 34:30>> That's a great question.
1091. 34:34I think I I grew up in like a really
1092. 34:35normal suburb, right? And I think I
1093. 34:37believed everything I was told about the
1094. 34:39world until I was like 24 or 25. Uh I
1095. 34:42was like super anti-conspiracy theory,
1096. 34:44like thought everything was as it
1097. 34:46appeared. And I'm starting to, you know,
1098. 34:48quickly flip to the opposite side. So,
1099. 34:52uh, the I I I was asking a a a
1100. 34:56politician here, and I'm not going to
1101. 34:57say who it was. I said, "Is it true the
1102. 34:59elections are actually rigged?" And he
1103. 35:00goes, "I don't know if the elections are
1104. 35:02rigged, but the country is rigged." And
1105. 35:03so, I makes sense.
1106. 35:05>> Are you going to go to your 25-y year
1107. 35:06high school reunion?
1108. 35:09>> Yeah, sure. Of course, why not? I don't
1109. 35:11even know when that is. That' be funny.
1110. 35:14>> Hey, [ __ ]
1111. 35:15>> HEY, IT'S BILL. WHAT'S UP? I'm still
1112. 35:18here, [ __ ] I'M THE MOST FAMOUS WAND.
1113. 35:20DOESN'T MATTER WHY I AM THE most famous.
1114. 35:23>> Doesn't matter why.
1115. 35:25>> This is America.
1116. 35:25>> This is America. Um, you ever like you
1117. 35:29ever meet old Trumper?
1118. 35:33>> What was that like?
1119. 35:35>> He was not the person I asked that
1120. 35:36question to, but um,
1121. 35:39>> what do you say? What do What did he say
1122. 35:41about this whole uh, debacle you're in?
1123. 35:44>> Uh, I'm not going to get into that, but
1124. 35:46we've met.
1125. 35:47>> All right. Respect. I like I like how uh
1126. 35:49>> he did get you a year off your prison
1127. 35:50term, didn't he?
1128. 35:52>> Me and a bunch of others because
1129. 35:53>> Yeah. Not you specifically, but he
1130. 35:54passed some law that Yeah. Yeah.
1131. 35:56>> He he he passed law to give first time
1132. 35:58non-violent people a year off. That was
1133. 36:00That was That was
1134. 36:00>> All right.
1135. 36:01>> What's your take about Jeffrey Epstein?
1136. 36:07>> I think he was killed. And I don't want
1137. 36:09to get hurt for saying that, but I think
1138. 36:10that's pretty obvious.
1139. 36:11>> I mean, that is the official narrative.
1140. 36:13>> That's the official nar.
1141. 36:13>> Well, not really, but it's turning into
1142. 36:15it kind of. I think it's be being in the
1143. 36:18same solitary wing that he was in. It's
1144. 36:20certainly very easy for someone to have
1145. 36:22that order.
1146. 36:23>> Hold on. You were in the same solitary
1147. 36:25confinement as him
1148. 36:27>> for a period of time. Yes. Like not when
1149. 36:29he was there, but a different period.
1150. 36:30>> The same facility though?
1151. 36:32>> The same facility?
1152. 36:33>> Oh wow. I didn't know that.
1153. 36:34>> Who else was in prison when you were in
1154. 36:36prison?
1155. 36:37>> Uh that place. Nobody interesting. I was
1156. 36:39at a like a white collar place for 6
1157. 36:42months with Michael Cohen, Trump's
1158. 36:44lawyer in the situation. So that was
1159. 36:45funny.
1160. 36:46>> Wow.
1161. 36:46>> You know, but then I got kicked out of
1162. 36:47there.
1163. 36:48>> What did you Why'd you get kicked out?
1164. 36:50>> I had a USB device, so I was trying to
1165. 36:52record a book and they didn't like that
1166. 36:54one either.
1167. 36:55>> You were just like a pill.
1168. 36:58>> You You're a cockroach. Bill, you're a
1169. 37:01bast, dude.
1170. 37:01>> I kind of think I would listen to a jail
1171. 37:03phone podcast to be honest,
1172. 37:04>> dude. That would rule. So, what happened
1173. 37:06when they found the USB? Okay, this is
1174. 37:08the last question. I promise. You are
1175. 37:09This is crazy. What was the last
1176. 37:11question? Like, what the is this, Bill?
1177. 37:14I'm going to I'm going to leave leave
1178. 37:15the viewers with this. I had a USB
1179. 37:17device. Very very clear against the
1180. 37:19rules. Not allowed to do it. I would for
1181. 37:22that I was sentenced to 3 months in
1182. 37:23solitary confinement and lost my phone
1183. 37:25privileges like afterwards for 45 days
1184. 37:28or something.
1185. 37:28>> Then I did the podcast. I did the
1186. 37:30podcast, broke no rules, was found not
1187. 37:33guilty, did seven months of solitary
1188. 37:35confinement, and couldn't call my family
1189. 37:37for two years. So when you break the
1190. 37:39rules, when I broke the rules, I got
1191. 37:41less time than when I didn't break the
1192. 37:42rules. that that
1193. 37:44>> maybe America is rigged. Maybe is
1194. 37:46America might be rigged, Bill.
1195. 37:48>> America. On that note, um the American
1196. 37:50dream is dead and and America
1197. 37:52>> is rigged.
1198. 37:54>> Bill, thanks for being honest. I really
1199. 37:55appreciate it, man. I can't wait to talk
1200. 37:57to uh
1201. 37:58>> um
1202. 37:58>> Jason.
1203. 37:59>> Jason, it's going to be fun. All right,
1204. 38:00bud. Thank you.
1205. 38:01>> Do you guys Do you guys have any shows
1206. 38:02in New York anytime soon?
1207. 38:04>> Yeah, we just played two nights at the
1208. 38:05Brooklyn Bowl and um Really?
1209. 38:07>> Yeah, we're doing uh we're doing we're
1210. 38:10doing a What are we doing? I'm doing the
1211. 38:11Beacon Theater with um the Almond
1212. 38:14Brother review and then I'm doing
1213. 38:16>> Oh, nice.
1214. 38:17>> Yeah, I'm coming a lot. I'll uh I'll
1215. 38:19message you on Insta.
1216. 38:21>> Let me know. I'll buy a ticket and come
1217. 38:22and come cheer.
1218. 38:23>> You're not buying tickets. It's on me,
1219. 38:24brother. I got you. You're already
1220. 38:25dealing with a lot. I'll put you on the
1221. 38:28guest list.
1222. 38:28>> Yeah, you can't come backstage, but
1223. 38:34>> All right, man. Have a great night,
1224. 38:35Bill. Thanks so much. And let me know
1225. 38:37when we uh when to get Jason in here.
1226. 38:39Yeah, later.