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0:08All right, we will go on the record.
0:12This is a deposition of former President
0:14William Jefferson Clinton conducted by
0:16the House Committee on Oversight and
0:18Government Reform under the authority
0:20granted to it pursuant to House Rule 10.
0:23Accordingly, House Rule 10 grants the
0:25committee broad jurisdiction for the
0:27committee to conduct investigations of
0:29any matter at any time. On July 23rd,
0:332025, the subcommittee on federal law
0:35enforcement of the Committee on
0:37Oversight and Government Reform voted by
0:40voice to approve a motion directing the
0:42chairman to authorize and issue a
0:44subpoena to you for a deposition. On
0:47August 5th, 2025, Chairman Comr issued a
0:50subpoena for President Clinton to appear
0:53today for a deposition in furtherance of
0:55the committee's investigation into the
0:57actions and investigations of Mr. Mr.
1:00Jeffrey Epstein and Miss Gain Maxwell. I
1:04will now enter the original subpoena and
1:07corresponding cover letter from August
1:095th, 2025,
1:11as well as the additional subpoena from
1:13December 15, 2025, determining a new
1:16date as exhibit one.
1:21I will enter as exhibit two the
1:23correspondence between Chairman Comr and
1:26Council for President Clinton and
1:27Secretary Clinton. This correspondence
1:30includes the following letters. October
1:336, 2025. Letter from David E. Kendall to
1:36Chairman Comr and Ranking Member Garcia.
1:39October 22nd, 2025. Letter from Chairman
1:42Comr to David E. Kendall. November 3rd,
1:462025, letter from David E. Kendall to
1:49Chairman Comr and Ranking Member Garcia.
1:52November 21st, 2025, letter from
1:54Chairman Comr to David E. Kendall.
1:57December 10th, 2025, letter from David
2:00E. Kendall to Chairman Comr and Ranking
2:02Member Garcia.
2:05>> December 15, 2025. Letter from Chairman
2:08Comr to David E. Kendall. January 3rd,
2:112026. Letter from David E. Kendall to
2:14Chairman Comr and Ranking Member Garcia.
2:17January 8th, 2026. Letter from Chairman
2:19Comr to David E. Kendall. January 12th,
2:232026. Letter from Ashley Ken and David
2:26E. Kendall to Chairman Comr. January 13,
2:302026. Letter from William J. Clinton and
2:33Secretary 8. Hillary R. Clinton to
2:36Chairman Comr encompassing attached
2:38declarations under the penalty of
2:40perjury of both President Clinton and
2:43Secretary Clinton. January 20th, 2026,
2:47letter from Ashley Kalan and David E.
2:50Kendall to Chairman Comr. January 31st,
2:532026, letter from Ashley Kalan and
2:56Katherine M. Turner to Chairman Comr and
3:00February 2nd, 2026 letter from Chairman
3:03Comr to Ashley Cowan and Katherine M.
3:06Turner.
3:07The committee originally noticed the
3:09deposition for President Clinton on
3:11December 12th, 2025. I will mark that
3:14notice as exhibit three.
3:17I will mark as exhibit four the notice
3:20dated December 16, 2025 for a deposition
3:24of President Clinton to occur on January
3:2713, 2026.
3:29President Clinton did not appear for his
3:32deposition on January 13, 2026. I will
3:35enter as exhibit five the transcript for
3:38the deposition that President Clinton
3:40failed to appear for. The committee
3:43noticed a committee business meeting on
3:44January 14, 2026 to consider the
3:47contempt report for President William J.
3:49Clinton held on January 21st, 2026.
3:54I will mark that notice as exhibit six.
3:58I will mark as exhibit 7 the contempt
4:01report for President William J. Clinton
4:03voted favorably out of the committee on
4:05oversight and government reform on
4:07January 21st, 2026.
4:10I will mark as exhibit 8 the final roll
4:12call vote sheet on favorably reporting
4:15the contempt report of President William
4:17J. Clinton out of the committee on
4:19oversight and government reform on
4:21January 21st, 2026.
4:24The committee noticed today's deposition
4:26on February 19th, 2026. I will enter the
4:30notice for this deposition as exhibit 9.
4:33I will enter as exhibit 10 the email
4:35thread between committee on oversight
4:37and government reform staff and council
4:39for President Clinton and secretary
4:41Clinton. The email thread confirms the
4:44date, time, and location among other
4:46terms of today's deposition.
4:49Additionally, this email thread clearly
4:51states the agreed upon terms including
4:53but not limited to video recording, no
4:56predetermined time limit, and scope. The
4:59agreed upon scope from the email marked
5:02as exhibit 10 is as follows. Pursuant to
5:05the committee's investigation into the
5:07alleged mismanagement of the federal
5:09government's investigation into Mr.
5:11Jeffrey Epstein and Miss Colleain
5:13Maxwell, the circumstances and
5:15subsequent investigations of Mr.
5:17Epstein's death, the operation of sex
5:20trafficking rings and ways for the
5:21federal government to effectively combat
5:23them. Ways in which Mr. Epstein and Miss
5:26Maxwell sought to curry favor and
5:28exercise influence to protect their
5:30illegal activities and potential
5:33violations of ethics rules related to
5:35elected officials. The committee will
5:37ask President Clinton and Secretary
5:40Clinton all of its questions regarding
5:42Jeffrey Epstein and Gla Maxwell,
5:44including but not limited to the
5:47personal relationships between the
5:48Clintons and Mr. Epstein and Miss
5:50Maxwell and the ways in which Mr.
5:53Epstein and Miss Maxwell sought to curry
5:55favor and exercise influence as well as
5:58the operation of sex trafficking rings
6:00and ways for the federal government to
6:02effectively combat them without the
6:04proposed limitations on scope sought in
6:06your January 31st, 2026 letter.
6:12Can the witness please state his name
6:14for the record?
6:16>> William Jefferson Clinton.
6:18>> Thank you.
6:20My name is Jack Emmer and I am the chief
6:22counsel of investigations for chairman
6:24comr. Under the committee on oversight
6:27and government reforms rules, you are
6:29allowed to have council present to
6:31advise you during this deposition. Do
6:33you have council representing you in a
6:35personal capacity present with you
6:37today?
6:38>> I do.
6:39>> Will council please identify themselves
6:41for the record?
6:42>> David Kendall, Williams and Connelly
6:45LLP. Katherine Turner, Williams and
6:48Connelly LLP.
6:49>> Cheryl Mills, Council to the President.
6:52>> Thank you. Starting with the majority,
6:54can members of Congress in attendance
6:56please identify themselves for the
6:58record?
6:59>> Billy
7:02members.
7:03>> Yes. James Comr, chairman of the
7:05committee from Kentucky.
7:06>> Congresswoman Nancy Mace, South
7:08Carolina. Eric Berles from Missouri.
7:11Congressman John McGuire, Virginia.
7:13Congresswoman Anna Paulina Luna from
7:15Florida's 13th district.
7:16>> William Tman, South Carolina,
7:19Wisconsin.
7:21>> Ranking member Garcia, California.
7:24>> Congresswoman Melanie Stansbury, New
7:26Mexico.
7:27>> Congressman Siobania, Virginia.
7:30>> Congresswoman Emily Randall, Washington
7:32State. Congresswoman Yasari, Arizona's
7:35third.
7:36>> Congressman Maxel Frost, Florida.
7:39>> Congressman Wesley Bell, Missouri's
7:41third district.
7:43J Walkshaw, Virginia's 11th district.
7:45Ro, California 17th.
7:50>> Lauren Boowbert, Colorado Sports
7:51District.
7:53>> Thank you. For the record, starting with
7:55the majority staff, can the additional
7:57staff members please introduce
7:59themselves with their name, title, and
8:01affiliation?
8:02>> Billy Grant, deputy chief counsel for
8:04investigations for Chairman Comr.
8:06>> Peter Spectre, Deputy Director of
8:08Oversight for Chairman Comr. Daniel
8:09Ashworth, general counsel for Chairman
8:11Comr. Ryan Jaceti, chief counsel for
8:14Chairman Comr.
8:15>> Will Harnesses, professional staff
8:16members to chairman.
8:18>> Hannah Kathy, professional staff member
8:20for chairman.
8:22>> No stood director for Sherman Cohen,
8:26council for chairman.
8:29Emily fireman
8:35>> Mark staff director
8:39>> Austin Hacker communications director
8:41chairman
8:42Ashley deputy staff director chairman
8:55>> thank you all President Clinton before
8:58we we begin I would like to go over the
9:00ground rules for this deposition. The
9:02questioning will proceed in rounds. The
9:04majority will ask questions for an hour
9:06and then the minority will have an
9:08opportunity to ask questions for an hour
9:10if they choose. To the extent members
9:13have questions for the witness, they
9:15will be propounded during their sides
9:16respective rounds. The clock will stop
9:19if you need to confer with council your
9:21council is speaking and when members or
9:23staff are speaking during the opposing
9:25sides rounds of questions. We will
9:27alternate back and forth until there are
9:29no more questions. Do you understand?
9:31>> Yes.
9:32>> There is a court reporter taking down
9:34everything I say and everything you say
9:36to make a written record of the
9:38interview. For the record to be clear,
9:40please wait until the staffer
9:42questioning you finishes each question
9:44before you begin your answer and the
9:46staffer will wait until you finish your
9:48response before proceeding to the next
9:50question. Further to ensure the court
9:52reporter can properly record this
9:54deposition, please speak clearly,
9:56concisely, and slowly. Also, the court
9:59reporter cannot record non-verbal
10:01answers such as nodding or shaking your
10:03head. So, it is important that you
10:05answer each question with an audible
10:08verbal answer. Do you understand?
10:09>> I do.
10:11>> Exhibits may be entered into the record.
10:13Majority exhibits will be identified
10:15numerically. Minority exhibits will be
10:17identified alphabetically. Do you
10:19understand?
10:20Yes,
10:21>> we want you to answer our questions in
10:23the most complete and truthful manner
10:25possible. So, we will take our time. If
10:28you have any questions or do not fully
10:31understand the question, please let us
10:32know. We will attempt to clarify, add
10:35context to or rephrase our questions. If
10:38we ask about specific conversations or
10:41event event events in the past and you
10:43are unable to recall the exact words or
10:45details, you should testify to the
10:48substance of those conversations or
10:49events to the best of your recollection.
10:52If you recall only a part of a
10:55conversation or event, you should give
10:57us your best recollection of those
10:59events or parts of conversations that
11:01you do recall. Do you understand?
11:03>> Yes.
11:04You are required by law to answer
11:06questions from Congress truthfully. This
11:09also applies to questions posed by
11:11congressional staff in this deposition.
11:13Do you understand?
11:13>> Yes.
11:15>> If at any time you knowingly make false
11:17statements, you could be subject to
11:19criminal prosecution, including but not
11:21limited to perjury. Do you understand?
11:23>> Yes.
11:27This includes both knowingly providing
11:29false testimony but also stating that
11:31you do not recall or remember something
11:33when in fact you do. Do you understand?
11:36>> Yes.
11:37>> Furthermore, you cannot tell halftruths
11:39or exclude information necessary to make
11:41statements accurate. You are required to
11:44provide all information that would make
11:46your response truthful. A deliberate
11:49failure to disclose information can
11:51constitute a false statement. Do you
11:53understand? I do.
11:56>> Is there any reason you are unable to
11:58provide truthful testimony in today's
12:00interview?
12:01>> I don't believe so.
12:05>> Please note that if you wish to assert a
12:07privilege over any statement today, that
12:09assertion must comply with the rules of
12:12the committee on oversight and
12:13government reform. Pursuant to that,
12:16committee rule 16C1 states, "For the
12:19chair to consider assertions of
12:20privilege over testimony or statements,
12:22witnesses or entities must clearly state
12:25the specific privilege being asserted
12:27and the reason for the assertion on or
12:29before the scheduled date of testimony
12:31or appearance. For the purposes of this
12:34deposition, objections must be stated
12:36concisely and in a non-argumentative or
12:39non-suggestive manner. The witness
12:42refuses to answer a question to preserve
12:44a privilege. Committee may seek a ruling
12:46from the chair. If the chair overrules
12:49any such objection, the witness shall be
12:52ordered to answer. If the witness
12:54continues to refuse to answer a question
12:56despite being ordered to do so, the
12:58witness may be subject to sanction. Do
13:01you understand?
13:02>> Yes.
13:03Ordinarily, we take a fivem minute break
13:05at the end of each hour of questioning,
13:07but if you need a longer break or a
13:10break before that, please let us know
13:11and we will be happy to accommodate.
13:14However, to the extent that there is a
13:16pending question, we would ask that you
13:18finish answering the question before we
13:19take a break. Do you understand?
13:21>> Yes.
13:23Finally, I will note for everyone here
13:25today that the contents of what we
13:27discuss in the deposition today is
13:29confidential under the House Deposition
13:31Regulation. Under the rules, the
13:33chairman and ranking member shall
13:36consult before any release of testimony
13:38or transcripts, including portions
13:39thereof. This means it is a violation of
13:43House and Committee rules to disclose
13:45the contents of the deposition prior to
13:47its official release. For this reason,
13:50the marked exhibits that we will use
13:52today will remain with the court
13:53reporter so that they can go into the
13:56official transcript and any copies of
13:58those exhibits will be kept at the table
14:00or returned to us when we wrap up.
14:04Can the reporter please swear in the
14:06witness?
14:08>> Please. Do you solemnly declare and
14:11affirm under the penalty of perjury that
14:14the testimony you're about to give will
14:16be the truth, the whole truth, and
14:17nothing but the truth?
14:18>> I do.
14:20Do you have any questions before we
14:22begin?
14:23>> No.
14:23>> I have a comment before we begin,
14:25please. Um, Mr. Chairman, I want to
14:28start out by saying, as you know,
14:29yesterday there was a photo released.
14:31Um, and I appreciate you uh assuring and
14:34admonishing the committee and all of us
14:37of our obligations. Obviously, we want
14:39to ensure that that doesn't happen
14:40again. Um, we've obviously experienced a
14:43number of deep fakes that have now been
14:45um, circulating on the web, not because
14:47of anything that the committee did, but
14:49because of the release of this
14:50particular uh, photograph. And for that
14:53reason, I would ask um, two things. Um,
14:55one uh, a reminder to all that the
14:59obligation to maintain what is occurring
15:01in this room occurs. and two um a
15:04release of the video of the secretary's
15:07uh testimony um as soon as possible,
15:10ideally today, which was in 24 hours.
15:12And the same for the president, so that
15:14there are not deep fakes that are
15:17representing what is happening here when
15:19they actually have not.
15:20>> Yeah. And let let me say uh yesterday
15:23that was an unfortunate situation. We
15:25had uh probably two things that
15:27shouldn't have happened. uh the release
15:30of the photo as well as a Democrat
15:32member communicating with the New York
15:34Times. So, uh I will again remind
15:36everyone to refrain from sending
15:37pictures or texting with media outlets
15:40outside. Uh Melvin is our uh
15:43videographer and we're getting the he's
15:46doing this today as well as producing
15:47the video. So, we'll get them out
15:49hopefully uh as soon as possible.
15:51Hopefully within the next 24 hours.
15:53>> Thank you very much, Mr. Chairman. I
15:54appreciate that. Nothing new,
15:57>> Mr. President, do you wish to provide an
15:59opening statement?
16:00>> I do. It's brief.
16:04First of all, good morning and welcome
16:06to all of you to
16:08our hometown.
16:12I appreciate you coming here.
16:16I'm here today basically for two
16:18reasons. First of all,
16:22I love my country and the Constitution.
16:25And I believe America was built on the
16:28idea that no one is above the law,
16:33especially presidents,
16:36and that we should all live by the same
16:38set of rules shaped by the Constitution.
16:42Democracy requires every person to play
16:44their part. And I hope that by being
16:46here today,
16:49we can bring ourselves a little further
16:50away from the brink and back to being a
16:53country where we can disagree civily
16:57and search for the truth and justice.
17:00And if that outweighs the partisan urge
17:03for spectacle and point scoring,
17:06I will do my part and I hope you'll do
17:09yours.
17:12The second reason I'm here is that the
17:14girls and women whose lives Jeffrey
17:16Epstein destroyed
17:18deserve not justice but healing.
17:22They've been waiting too long for both.
17:25through my brief acquaintance with
17:26Jeffrey Epstein,
17:29though it ended years before his crimes
17:32came to light. And though I never
17:34witnessed during our limited
17:36interactions any indication of what was
17:39going on,
17:43I'm here to offer what little I know
17:48so I can do my part to prevent something
17:50like this from happening again.
17:55I have to just say one personal thing.
17:59Since Hillary came in yesterday,
18:02she had nothing to do with Jeffrey
18:04Epstein. Nothing. There's a picture of
18:07us both shaking hands with him in a
18:10photo line in 1993
18:13at a fundraiser for the White House
18:15Historical Association.
18:17I don't know how it is under President
18:20Trump, but
18:22when I was there, it was about the most
18:23non-political operation you can imagine.
18:26There were people who love the White
18:28House, who are interested in it, would
18:30give a little money every year to do
18:32things that needed doing around the
18:34house
18:36and nothing nearly as extravagant as the
18:38ballroom or any of that, just things
18:40that had to be done.
18:42And
18:46neither she nor I remembered shaking his
18:50hand all those years ago.
18:53So I don't think that was right.
18:56On the other hand, I do think you should
18:58be talking to me. I think you should
18:59have called me. I did take those plane
19:02trips with him and you have a right to
19:04ask those questions.
19:07So, I'm glad to be here and
19:13I understand what the oath is. I have to
19:16be honest with you. You know, I'll be 80
19:20years old if I lived on my next
19:21birthday. I I don't remember everything
19:23that happened 24 years ago, but I do
19:25remember some things. And I will tell
19:28you what I remember as best I can.
19:32We each of us
19:35owe the victims
19:37nothing less than the truth and
19:38accuracy. We owe that to the American
19:40people.
19:42And I actually hope that you will be
19:45able to
19:48come up with some suggestions
19:51that will reduce human trafficking and
19:54especially focus on underage girls. I
19:56hope you'll be able to do that. I know
19:59that
20:03Hillary talked a little yesterday about
20:06what the State Department does and what
20:08she pushed on human trafficking and
20:12girls
20:16when she was Secretary of State.
20:19We had to deal with it. And in my
20:21foundation,
20:24I saw it in Nigeria
20:27when Boka Haram
20:30was rampaging through the north of
20:32Nigeria.
20:34And
20:37we were working there trying to stop
20:39deaths
20:41from diarrhea for young children.
20:45And it was interesting.
20:47These guys were cold and calculated.
20:49They said, "Oh, you don't have to leave
20:51because the kids you're helping are
20:53younger than the ones we want. They have
20:56to be about nine before they're worth
20:58anything to us." So, I
21:02This is really important
21:04and I will do what I can to make
21:06whatever contribution I can.
21:09Thank you.
21:12Thank you.
21:15The time reads 11:28 and the majority's
21:18time will begin now.
21:25Mr. President, thank you for agreeing to
21:27testify today and for your years of
21:30service to our country. I want to start
21:33from the beginning.
21:35When did you first meet Jeffrey Epstein?
21:46Well, I will try in this testimony and I
21:51will point it out when I'm aware there's
21:54a picture or something that's predates
21:56this. There's a picture which shows him
22:01shaking hands in the
22:03White House Historical Association
22:05reception that was in 1993, but I'm not
22:07aware of that. I first remember meeting
22:10him
22:12when
22:15I got on his airplane to take the first
22:17trip with my foundation
22:20and I think 2002
22:23whenever it was with
22:29and to be clear do you have any reason
22:32to believe that you may have met Mr.
22:34I've seen prior to becoming president of
22:36the United States.
22:39>> Before I became president, no.
22:44>> And you mentioned that your first memory
22:46of interacting with Mr. Epstein was on
22:50your first trip. Which trip
22:52specifically?
22:57>> I'm not sure which one it was. Which one
22:59was the first? We had I took
23:04all or part
23:06of four or five trips to Asia and Africa
23:08and one to north northern Europe
23:12on Mr. Epstein's airplane.
23:15Uh,
23:18and once when I was in
23:21Florida,
23:23I was offered a ride back to New York,
23:26but I wasn't there having it was just
23:28coincidental that he was there and
23:32I think that was fairly early in the
23:34process, but I don't remember exactly. I
23:36just know that I did.
23:37I took one flight back from Florida to
23:40New York
23:42and
23:44all are part of several other I think
23:47four or five trips
23:51to Africa, Asia, and one to Northern
23:54Europe.
23:57>> And I want to make sure the record is
23:59clear. Is it your testimony today that
24:01you have no independent recollection
24:03whatsoever of the circumstances of when
24:05you first met Mr. Epstein?
24:09>> Objection asked and answer. You can
24:10answer again.
24:11>> I Yes, I do have a recollection of when
24:14I remember meeting him before this trip.
24:18I mean on this trip when I took his
24:19plane.
24:25>> Mr. President, we're going to discuss
24:27more specifics later. But for the
24:30record, can you briefly describe the
24:32nature and extent of your relationship
24:34with Mr. Epstein?
24:40Well,
24:44sometime after I left the White House,
24:48either in late 2001 or earlyish mid
24:522002,
24:54I received a call from Larry Summers,
24:56who had been on my economic team and was
24:58later secretary of treasurer
25:01and was then president of Harvard.
25:05and he said that uh
25:08he was calling because
25:11a man named Jeffrey Epstein
25:14who had made a substantial commitment
25:18of several million dollars I think it
25:20was 10 but whatever it was I don't to
25:23brain research and that he was a
25:28information
25:30hungry person and he wanted
25:34to spend some time talking to me about
25:36economics and politics. And he said,
25:38"He's got this massive airplane." And he
25:41said he would take you, your staff,
25:46your Secret Service detail, and anybody
25:48else you wanted to bring
25:50on the trips that he knew I was planning
25:53to set up a global network
25:59to provide life-saving AIDS medicine to
26:01as many people as possible as quickly as
26:04possible.
26:07And I should back up and say when I left
26:11office, we had done all the preliminary
26:14work to set up the global phones on HTV
26:17malaria, but it was not yet funded.
26:21And
26:23there were other
26:25instruments and institutions
26:28who were later founded including
26:30President Bush's PEPAR program. It had
26:33not yet been funded. There were only
26:36200,000 people in the entire developing
26:40world who had AIDS medicine.
26:43Most of them in Brazil, which had a big
26:46drug operation on its own.
26:50And in Thailand, which also had its own
26:53drug population.
26:57In Africa, there were like 30,000 people
27:00or something, just next to no people,
27:02and they were dying like flies. And I
27:05thought we had found a way
27:10to drastically drive the price down.
27:14And that if we could drive the price
27:16down, we could and
27:21empower people to administer the
27:23medicine, right, we could save a lot of
27:25lives. And I was obsessed with it.
27:29And I was being helped by a man named
27:32Aaron Magaziner who had helped us in the
27:34hot white house and whom I had known
27:36since we lived uh as road scholars
27:39together in 1960s.
27:42So anyway, that's
27:44I that's why when Larry Summers said
27:46this, I thought, boy, this would be
27:47great.
27:49And
27:51so we followed up and
27:55took the trips
27:58Mr. President, when did your
28:00relationship with Mr. Epstein end?
28:05>> When did it end?
28:07Uh, well, I believe I took my last
28:11flight in 2003.
28:15Um
28:18now
28:22later I became aware of
28:26some involvement he had in the first
28:28front and global initiative but it was
28:29much later.
28:34>> Why did your relationship with Mr.
28:36Epstein end?
28:41Well, after a year or two, we really
28:44picked up ahead of steam with this AIDS
28:46program and
28:48a lot of other people whom I knew better
28:50and who
28:53really cared about the work came forward
28:55and offered to help us provide
28:57transportation.
28:59And I I thought Mr. ever seen was an
29:04interesting man but he
29:07I didn't think he was really interested
29:09in what I was doing that is he asked all
29:12these questions he he did ask about
29:14economics and politics as he said he
29:16would
29:20and
29:22he never
29:25asked me anything untored it's just that
29:27I didn't think I thought I had done what
29:30I promised to do and he had done what he
29:33promised to do. And I thought I'd always
29:37over the years
29:40with these donors tried not to overstay
29:42my welcome. I thought that we'd done
29:44enough and it was time to start working
29:46with other people.
29:54>> When did you first learn of Jeffrey
29:56Absin's crimes?
30:00I think in 2008 when he was prosecuted.
30:06I didn't there's nothing that I saw when
30:09I was around him that made me realize he
30:14was trafficking women and I never
30:25Let's talk about Elaine Maxwell. When
30:29did you first meet Kain Maxwell?
30:32>> I believe I first met her
30:35with him
30:37>> when she was working with him.
30:40>> And what did you understand Miss Maxwell
30:43and what did you understand her her
30:46relationship to be with Mr. Epstein?
30:48>> I thought she was sort of his chief of
30:51staff or administrator.
30:56And you said that you first met Miss
31:00Maxwell with Mr. Epstein. Is that after
31:03you were president?
31:06>> Yeah, I don't believe I met her when I
31:08was president. I could have. I met a lot
31:10of people, you know. I don't remember,
31:12but I I definitely remember
31:16meeting her on that first flight.
31:20Can you briefly for the record describe
31:22the nature and extent of your
31:24relationship with Miss Maxwell?
31:27>> Yes, it was it lasted longer and was
31:30more extensive
31:32than my relationship with
31:38Mr. Epstein because
31:41Galain Maxwell started going with a man
31:45named Ted White
31:47who was had made a lot of money
31:52making the first sort of uh
31:57designed self-designed computers
32:01and he was a big supporter of
32:06M and the foundation.
32:11before he started seeing Ken, we had
32:15been friends and he was interested in
32:19particularly in
32:21reducing pollution in the oceans
32:25and so when she started
32:28going with him I would see her from time
32:30to time.
32:35And when did your relationship with Miss
32:37Maxwell end?
32:40>> I don't think I've seen her in a decade.
32:42I don't It's been a long time. I don't
32:44know exactly when.
32:46>> Why did your relationship with Miss
32:48Maxwell end?
32:52>> Well, first she moved
32:57to
33:00Boston. I think she had a relationship
33:03with a man there. and I think they may
33:04have married
33:06and uh
33:12so she wasn't so much around and she
33:17then when it became
33:21after 2019 when it became obvious that
33:24she was involved too
33:26to an extent that I did not know
33:32that was the end of
33:34And I want to make sure the record is
33:36clear. You mentioned that your
33:38relationship with Miss Maxwell was more
33:40extensive than that of Mr. Epstein.
33:43>> Well, it lasted longer. Yes.
33:44>> Okay. When when do you have any
33:47recollection of what year it would have
33:49ended?
33:51>> No, but you know
33:55when she was with Ted White, she was
33:58when we were kicking off CGI.
34:01She was very interested in that and she
34:04participated
34:07but I don't remember
34:10I don't know it's been 10 12 years since
34:13I saw her. I don't remember when the
34:14last time was.
34:17>> Thank you.
34:19>> I am going to ask you some baseline
34:21questions regarding who you communicated
34:23with and about what. If you don't recall
34:26specifics, but do recall you
34:27communicated with them, you should
34:29answer yes, but say you do not recall
34:32specifics.
34:33>> Could council, can I just ask you your
34:35your if you're going down a list, your
34:37question is did he communicate with the
34:39person yes or no? And then you'll come
34:41back if he says yes to ask further.
34:43>> Yes. Thank you.
34:43>> And I will finish the prompt here too.
34:46So the question, Mr. President, have you
34:49ever communicated with any of the
34:51following people regarding Mr. Jeffrey
34:53Epstein or Miss Colle Maxwell and for
34:55now you can say yes or no and we will
34:58come back to discuss each one
35:00>> and this is to the best of his
35:02recollection. Yeah.
35:02>> Correct.
35:03>> Okay. Thanks.
35:05>> Okay.
35:06>> First Richard Khan.
35:08>> Richard who?
35:09>> Khan.
35:10>> T O D.
35:12>> K A H N.
35:16>> I don't know who that is.
35:19Darren Indkike.
35:22>> Inde.
35:24>> Correct.
35:25>> I don't know who that is.
35:28>> Sarah Kellen.
35:32>> I don't know who that is.
35:35>> Uma Abedine.
35:36>> Yes.
35:39>> The the excuse me, Mr. President, the
35:41question is, as I understand it, name
35:43the people you communicated to about
35:47Epste Maxwell.
35:48>> Oh, obviously I know Huma very well.
35:54>> I don't remember any specific
35:56conversations we ever had about Epstein
35:58and Maxwell.
36:02>> Nome Chsky.
36:04>> No. Uh, Mr. Chsky wasn't a big fan of
36:08mine. He thought I was too conservative.
36:13>> Leslie Gra.
36:17>> Leslie who?
36:18>> Gra.
36:20>> I'm sorry. I don't know who that is.
36:24>> Nadia Marenova.
36:27>> I don't know who that is.
36:29>> Jean Luke Brunell.
36:32>> I don't know who that is. I don't
36:34believe.
36:35>> Alan Dersowitz.
36:37I know him
36:39and uh
36:45I'm not aware that we ever talked about
36:47Epstein
36:49or Gal I Maxwell I don't believe we did
36:56>> Reed Hoffman
36:58>> I know Reed Hoffman but he never talked
37:01to me about
37:03Mr. Stein or
37:06Miss Maxwell.
37:08>> Karina Shuliaak.
37:12>> I don't believe I know who that is. I
37:14don't think I've ever met that person.
37:18>> Woody Allen.
37:21>> I do know who he is, but I don't think I
37:25ever met him and I never talked to him
37:26about Fino Maxwell.
37:29>> Sneer.
37:32Sandy Burgerer was my national security
37:34adviser
37:36and we were very close personally,
37:39but he's been dead for several years
37:42and I don't think I ever talked to him
37:44about either one of those people.
37:48>> Jess Staley.
37:50>> Jess Staley,
37:52>> correct?
37:54>> No.
37:59Paul Morris
38:02I don't believe I know him
38:08D Rothschild
38:14>> who Rothschild
38:17>> Le Rothschild
38:18>> Lem
38:22Rothschild. Is that who it is?
38:25>> No. And I have other Rothschilds on this
38:27list as well.
38:29I'm not sure who LED law is. I've met a
38:32bunch of them when I spoke at the
38:35funeral for Elen Roth
38:38and I had met
38:43some of the others the one couple in
38:45France once 20 years ago, but I
38:48I don't remember him.
38:50>> Okay.
38:51>> Lynn Boriser Rothschild. Yes, I know
38:54her, but I don't remember ever
38:57discussing
38:59Jeffrey. I've seen her Glenn Maxwell
39:02with her.
39:05>> Glenn Duben,
39:07>> I don't believe I know him.
39:11>> Eva Anderson,
39:14>> I don't believe I know her.
39:16>> Casey Wasserman,
39:18>> I know him.
39:21and he was on a trip to Africa with me.
39:26But I don't recall ever discussing
39:29either going forward Jeffrey Epstein
39:44magazer.
39:46Yes, I think I mentioned him earlier. He
39:49was
39:52the person who basically
39:55helped me start the AIDS program and he
39:58ran the Clinton Health Access Initiative
40:01for many years. He applied he retired a
40:03couple of years ago, a few years ago,
40:06but I don't remember ever discussing
40:09either Epstein or Roth with him. I mean,
40:12or Maxwell with him.
40:17Karen Euing.
40:20>> No.
40:21>> Stacy Plaset.
40:26>> Stacy Plasket is the member of Congress
40:29from the Virgin Islands, isn't she?
40:31>> Correct.
40:33>> Know her.
40:35But I don't recall ever discussing
40:38Epstein or Maxwell.
40:41>> Howard Lutnik.
40:44>> Howard Lutnik is the Secretary of
40:46Commerce.
40:47Correct.
40:49>> Uh
40:53I know him and from 911 and because
40:57Hillary worked with his company and
40:59helped him to get going again.
41:04But um and I know he's now President
41:08Trump's Secretary of Commerce, but I
41:10never I don't remember ever having any
41:13conversation with him about
41:15Jeffrey Epstein, Oracle Maxwell,
41:20>> Doug Band,
41:22>> and he worked for me for years, and I
41:25know that he was
41:29he arranged like airplane flights and
41:33things like that.
41:35and was doing work on the first
41:40Clinton Global Initiative in 2005.
41:45And I know that he knew both Epstein and
41:48Maxwell. I do not know
41:51to what extent he was in contact with
41:54them. And I've
41:56heard things in the last things I didn't
41:59have any idea 24 years ago. So, you'd
42:02have to be more specific. If you want to
42:04know if I knew something, then I can
42:05tell you as best I can, but I
42:09>> he worked for me and I knew some of what
42:11he was doing and I didn't know some of
42:13what he was doing.
42:16>> Thank you. And we will return to Mr.
42:18Ban. Louisie Free or Lewis Free.
42:24>> I do know him.
42:29I to the best of my knowledge
42:34I didn't have any conversations with him
42:37without anything practically but I
42:39certainly didn't talk to him about this
42:44>> Robert Rubin
42:48>> Bob Rubin was Larry Summer's predecessor
42:50as Treasury Secretary and the first
42:53director of the National Economic
42:55Council.
42:57But I am uh
43:01I don't even know if he knew Jeffrey
43:03Epstein or Glenn Maxwell. I had no
43:07conversation with him about it.
43:09>> And for now, Mr. President, uh you can
43:12answer yes or no.
43:14>> Okay.
43:15>> And the yes or no is intended to convey
43:16whether or not we had a conversation
43:18about the Maxwell or Jeffrey. Right.
43:21>> So the answer to Reuben is no.
43:24>> Larry and Summers.
43:26>> Yes.
43:29Pete Rathgab.
43:32>> Pete who?
43:34>> Wrathab.
43:36>> Wrathco. R A T H K O.
43:38>> R A T H G E.
43:41>> Oh, Rathco. I don't recall that name.
43:44>> John Podesta.
43:50>> I don't believe I ever had a talk with
43:52John about it. I did stay in touch with
43:54John Podesta after he left after I left
43:56the White House
43:58and I consider him a friend but I don't
44:01believe we ever discuss have seen her at
44:02Maxwell.
44:03>> Andrew friendly.
44:08No, he was one of my what you call body
44:11men at the White House and we've stayed
44:14in touch over the years, but I don't
44:15remember discussing Epstein or Maxwell
44:17with it.
44:19>> Katherine Rumler.
44:22>> Kathy Rumler uh
44:25is a lawyer who has done some
44:28>> on occasion some help for the
44:30foundation. I don't believe I ever
44:32discussed Maxwell or Epstein with it,
44:34but it
44:37I can't be sure, but I don't remember
44:40doing it.
44:41>> Mr. President, they're only asking you
44:42what you can remember.
44:43>> What?
44:44>> They're only asking you what you can
44:45remember.
44:47>> Mark Middleton.
44:51>> I I did not.
44:55And he sadly is dead now.
45:00Bill Richardson.
45:02>> No, he's dead too now, sadly. But
45:08>> but I didn't know about this
45:09relationship with
45:16>> George Mitchell.
45:19>> No.
45:20>> Bill Gates,
45:23>> no.
45:24>> Leon Black,
45:26>> no.
45:28Aude Barack.
45:30>> No.
45:32>> Tony Blair,
45:34>> no.
45:37>> Andrew Mount Batten Windsor.
45:43I knew uh
45:49that he knew
45:52at some point I knew that he knew the
45:55landmark
45:57but I did not know I don't think that he
46:00knew Epstein.
46:03>> So is that a yes that you had
46:05communications with him?
46:07>> That no we never had anything. Is your
46:10question communications about Epstein
46:12and Maxwell?
46:13>> Correct.
46:15>> Just generally as a conversation like
46:17you're together. Can you just elaborate
46:19more so he can better answer your
46:21question?
46:21>> Mr. President, did you ever have any
46:23communications with Prince Andrew
46:26related to Mr. Reps or Miss Maxwell?
46:32>> The direct answer to your question is
46:34no. But I don't want to mislead you. I
46:38know that because of my friendship with
46:41Elyn and Win Rochov
46:44and because
46:47the former prince was
46:50around them
46:53and they knew
46:57uh
46:59Glenn Maxwell from Britain and through
47:02her father, her late father.
47:06There may have been some conversation
47:07there. I I don't remember it,
47:09>> but I don't want to mislead you. It did.
47:11I knew something that
47:15>> Thank you.
47:15>> Your question because it's so broad
47:16means that any social engagement that
47:18you might have would be captured. So I
47:20think what he's trying to distinguish
47:21between is what you're trying to learn
47:23and just social engagement.
47:25>> Yes.
47:26>> If I had a social engagement with Edward
47:29>> related to Mr. Epstein,
47:31>> not related to him. No.
47:32>> Thank you.
47:34>> Peter Mandlesson. No
47:38>> Muhammad bin Salman.
47:42>> No.
47:44>> Larry Paige.
47:47>> No.
47:48>> Sergey Brenn.
47:49>> No.
47:53>> So, let's talk about Larry Summers. You
47:56mentioned that you had communications
47:58with him related to Maxwell and Epstein.
48:01What were the nature of those? For the
48:02record, he said with Epstein, just to
48:05>> Epstein.
48:06>> Jose Epstein.
48:08Thank you. You mentioned that you had
48:11communications with Larry Summers
48:14related to Mr. Epstein. Can you describe
48:16the nature of those communications?
48:18>> Yes. As I said before, he called me on
48:21the phone.
48:23He knew what I was trying to do
48:26with this AIDS work
48:29and how important it was to me. and he
48:32said
48:33he had just talked
48:36to Jeffrey Epstein who he's described as
48:40a successful investment adviser who
48:44made a lot of money and had made a large
48:46commitment to Harvard to brain research
48:49and he said he wants to talk to you
48:51about
48:54politics and economics and he says if
48:56you will take an hour on the longer legs
48:59of these trips he knows you're going
49:01going to make to Africa and Asia
49:04to talk to him about it that he will fly
49:07you on his airplane and your staff and
49:10your Secret Service details and any
49:13other people you want to take who are
49:16supporting your work
49:22and you mentioned these communications
49:24were related to the work of your
49:26foundation. Did you ever have any other
49:28communications with Larry Summers
49:30related to Mr. Epstein?
49:32>> No.
49:33>> So, for the record, you never discussed
49:36anything related to Mr. Epste and young
49:39women or girls?
49:40>> Absolutely not.
49:46>> Mr. President, for the record, have you
49:49ever been contacted by any law
49:51enforcement agency concerning Jeffrey
49:53Epstein or Delane Maxwell?
50:01As far as I know, no, that is as far as
50:04I remember.
50:07Back in 2008,
50:09I sort of
50:11thought somebody might ask me something
50:15because I and I was glad this had come
50:18out since it had happened, but I don't
50:20believe anybody ever did.
50:24You mentioned that you thought someone
50:26would want to ask you something. Can you
50:27elaborate on what that means?
50:30>> Just because he let me use this
50:31airplane.
50:36>> And to be clear, have you ever provided
50:39any information to any law enforcement
50:41agency concerning Jeffrey Epstein or
50:43Miss Glain Maxwell?
50:48>> What you call?
50:49>> So, you asked this question before.
50:50You're just asking him to reiterate the
50:52response to the question that he
50:54previously asked you, Mr. President.
50:56>> I don't I I don't believe any law
50:58enforcement agency has ever asked me and
51:00I don't I didn't know enough to
51:03volunteer anything.
51:06>> Mr. President, are you aware of any
51:08efforts by anyone, including an
51:10attorney, process server, investigator,
51:13or any other person, to contact you
51:15regarding any civil lawsuit, claim, or
51:17litigation involving Jeffrey Epstein or
51:19Glenn Maxwell?
51:23>> Not that I recall.
51:26>> Did Jeffrey Epstein ever inform or
51:29represent to you that he was working
51:31with any intelligence service of any
51:33nation, including the United States? No.
51:37>> Did Glain Maxwell ever inform or
51:39represent to you that she was working
51:41with any intelligence service of any
51:43nation, including the United States?
51:46>> No.
51:47>> And during your relationship, did you
51:49ever suspect Epstein or Maxwell of being
51:52affiliated with any intelligence agency?
51:56>> I did not.
51:59>> Thank you.
52:06I want to talk about your time in the
52:11White House. I realize that you have
52:13testified. Your recollection is limited,
52:16but did Mr. Epstein ever visit the White
52:18House while you were president?
52:20>> Objection. Asked and answered.
52:24>> The records reflect that he did.
52:26>> Not the question.
52:28>> According to foyer requests to the
52:30Clinton Library, Mr. Epstein visited the
52:32White House at least 17 times between
52:341993 and 1995. Do you have any reason to
52:38dispute those numbers?
52:40>> Nope,
52:42>> I don't.
52:46>> Do you know what the nature of Mr.
52:47Epstein's visits to the White House
52:49were?
52:52>> Are you asking what he knew in
52:55preparation for today? Can you clarify
52:58what you are seeking to learn?
53:00First of all, at the time I had no idea
53:03who was coming and going. Huge numbers
53:05of people come and go in the White
53:07House. A lot of them come well over
53:10once, especially if they're lobbyists,
53:12for example.
53:16But I didn't know he was coming, so I
53:18certainly didn't know what he was coming
53:19about.
53:25Mr. President, after you left office,
53:28did you or your staff ever conduct a
53:30review of records, documents, or other
53:32materials related to Mr. Epstein's
53:34connections to your White House?
53:40>> You're exempting counsel.
53:43You can respond to that, but don't say
53:45anything about what you talked to your
53:46lawyers about.
53:48>> You can respond to this question.
53:50>> Do you need the question again?
53:51>> Yeah. I don't even understand. You mean
53:53did we look into what he did in the
53:55White House after I left office?
53:58>> Mr. President, one of the concerns of
54:00the committee is how Mr. Epstein and
54:02Gain Maxwell attempted or potentially
54:04attempted to curry favor with
54:06influential figures. My question was
54:08after you left office, did you or your
54:10staff ever conduct a review of records
54:13related to Mr. Epstein's connections to
54:15your White House?
54:17>> To the best of my knowledge, no.
54:25At this time, I would like to introduce
54:26will be marked as majority exhibit
54:3011.
54:33And while it's being passed out, I will
54:35note for the record, this is a New York
54:37Times article entitled The Untold Story
54:40of How Jeffrey Epstein Got Rich,
54:42published on December 16th, 2025.
54:50And when you you receive the article, I
54:53want to direct your attention to the
54:55last paragraph of page 31.
54:59>> The last paragraph of which page?
55:01>> 31.
55:05And when you are ready, I will also read
55:07it into the record.
55:47Again,
55:58we are looking at page 31 in the last
56:02paragraph and I will read it into the
56:04record and ask you a few questions.
56:08>> Please give him a moment to read this.
56:28Start.
56:50I see this.
56:52>> This is the paragraph. Yes.
56:54>> Mr. President, the article reads, "By
56:571995, Clinton and Epstein were
56:59sufficiently chummy that he wrote a get
57:01well sue note to Epstein's alien mother.
57:04Hang in there." The president scrolled
57:06on a yellow postit which Epstein saved
57:09and we reviewed.
57:13Mr. President, did you write this note?
57:17>> Are you asking if he recalls writing
57:19this note from 1995 on a post-it?
57:22>> Correct.
57:22>> Okay. Thanks.
57:25>> It looks like my handwriting, but I
57:26don't recall. But I will tell you this,
57:31I have written get well notes to lots of
57:34people. I did not know and had never
57:36met.
57:38>> And you answered um my next question.
57:42Did you ever meet Jeffrey Epstein's
57:44mother or any of his family members?
57:48>> No, I'm not sure that I was asked to do
57:50this by Jeffrey Epstein.
57:54>> And I want to focus specifically on the
57:57article's characterization. It says that
57:59you were chummy with Mr. Epstein in
58:021995. Is that accurate? No, I'm going to
58:04object to that characterization. It's
58:06hearsay. President may answer.
58:08>> No,
58:13>> I was surprised by that.
58:21>> Let's talk about your relationship with
58:24Mr. Epstein after you left the White
58:26House.
58:28>> How would you characterize your
58:29relationship with Mr. Epstein?
58:34Mr. President, he has a question for
58:36you.
58:36>> During the time I was
58:39it was cordial.
58:42>> At any time would you characterize Mr.
58:44Epstein as a friend?
58:48>> We were friendly, but I didn't know him
58:50well enough to be say we were friends.
58:53>> How often did you communicate with Mr.
58:55Epstein?
58:59>> Usually only on the trips.
59:03I did go to his house once as you know
59:06>> and we will discuss that further later
59:08on today. And how did you typically
59:12communicate with Mr. Epstein? Did you
59:14talk to him on the phone?
59:15>> Excuse me. He just said he talked to him
59:17on the trips. So that's in person.
59:20>> Typically my staff communicated with all
59:23of with him. I think it was mostly Mr.
59:27man, but he somebody talked to him.
59:30>> And you mentioned that you visited one
59:33of his properties,
59:35>> but outside of the work on the
59:38foundation and your trips, how many
59:39times did you meet in person with Mr.
59:42Epstein?
59:45>> You're asking him to the best of his
59:47recollection. outside of the trips.
59:54I believe he came to the office
59:58once in Harlem. I was still house up
1:00:01there then.
1:00:03And I think he paid a brief visit to the
1:00:06office
1:00:08and I paid a brief visit to the his
1:00:12house.
1:00:14But and at the when I I once thought I
1:00:18was he was there but now that I think
1:00:20about it I don't think he was
1:00:22and that was it. I mean I didn't
1:00:27>> that's what I remember.
1:00:29>> And you mentioned you visited Mr.
1:00:31Epstein's house. Are you referring to
1:00:34his New York townhouse?
1:00:35>> Yes.
1:00:39>> And your communications with Mr.
1:00:41Epstein.
1:00:43Did you ever have any communications
1:00:44that were not related to the foundation?
1:00:51>> I don't I don't believe we ever talked
1:00:53about anything, but the work we were
1:00:55doing and maybe small talk, I can't
1:00:57imagine the conversations.
1:01:01>> And for the record, before we move on,
1:01:04did you ever have any communications
1:01:06with Mr. Epstein that related to young
1:01:09women or girls?
1:01:11>> No.
1:01:16Um, excuse me. Do you have You're
1:01:20Fantastic. Thank you very much.
1:01:30>> Am I good?
1:01:33>> Good morning, Mr. President. How are
1:01:34you?
1:01:35>> Fine.
1:01:36Um, I want to first start out by asking
1:01:38you, have you ever been or traveled on
1:01:41or has uh Huma Abedine ever traveled on
1:01:43Epstein's plane?
1:01:49>> If you know
1:01:52it,
1:01:53>> I don't know. It she might have taken
1:01:55one of the trips with us, but I don't
1:01:57know.
1:01:58>> Okay. So, have you flown on a plane with
1:02:00her?
1:02:01>> Um, several times.
1:02:02>> Several times. Can you say have you
1:02:04flown on a plane? Any plane? The Lolita
1:02:06Express.
1:02:08>> What is that when you say that?
1:02:09>> Have you flown on the Lolita Express
1:02:11with Jeffrey?
1:02:12>> Objection.
1:02:13>> I don't know what that is.
1:02:14>> Have you flown on Jeffrey Epstein's
1:02:16plane with Huma Abodine?
1:02:20>> Ask and answer. Give me answer again.
1:02:22>> I don't I don't remember, but it's but I
1:02:26have found she's been sort of a part of
1:02:28our family for a very long time. So I
1:02:32and when I went to the Middle East,
1:02:35which I I don't think I ever took a
1:02:36plane ride with Jeffrey Epstein, but she
1:02:39would typically go when I did.
1:02:41>> So have you traveled with both of them
1:02:43together?
1:02:45>> Excuse me. Both both of whom counsel,
1:02:48>> of course. Um have you traveled with
1:02:50Jeffrey Epstein and Huma uh Huma Abedine
1:02:53together?
1:02:54>> I do not know.
1:02:56>> Okay. Thank you.
1:02:59Um, if the staff can please pass out
1:03:03EFTA 0021628
1:03:07and the rest of the documents I have
1:03:08them print regarding passports to the
1:03:10president and council
1:03:15be exhibit 12.
1:03:17>> Thank you.
1:03:26>> Thank you.
1:03:36Mr. President, if you look at the
1:03:38passport page, uh the bottom of the
1:03:41document should show the EFTA number.
1:03:43It's 000021628.
1:03:46>> Yep.
1:03:47>> There's a name on there. Would you be
1:03:49able to read that name to me? Can you
1:03:50read the name?
1:03:51>> Excuse me. Would you ask if you've ever
1:03:53seen the document before?
1:03:54>> Yes. Well, this is evidence and so I
1:03:56wanted to ask him specifically. So, it's
1:03:58from the DOJ document release, right?
1:04:00>> I understand, but he may not have seen
1:04:02it or he may have seen it.
1:04:03>> No, I've never seen it, but it looks
1:04:05like a passport.
1:04:06>> Okay. Um, can you tell me the name
1:04:10that's listed on the passport?
1:04:11>> Excuse me. He's never seen this
1:04:13document. Would you just read the name,
1:04:14please?
1:04:14>> Yes. Um, the name is Marius Robert.
1:04:17>> Marius Robert. Yeah.
1:04:19>> Are you familiar with that name at all?
1:04:21>> No.
1:04:21>> Okay. Um, would you be able to identify
1:04:24the individual in the photo?
1:04:26>> It looks like Jeffrey Epstein.
1:04:27>> Okay. The reason I ask you about this
1:04:29specifically is because I do believe
1:04:32that Jeffrey Epstein was an intelligence
1:04:35operative. And so this was a passport
1:04:37that was actually entered in and
1:04:39released by the Department of Justice,
1:04:40but this was an FBI filing. It was found
1:04:43um in his uh safe, if you will. So, it's
1:04:46an alias. The reason I ask you that is
1:04:48because given your nature and position,
1:04:51um I'm wondering if you were essentially
1:04:54targeted by a honeypot operation andor
1:04:56by intelligence to g gather information.
1:04:59So that's why I asked you that question.
1:05:01>> Mr. President does not have a question.
1:05:02P
1:05:02>> I have Is there a question?
1:05:04>> No, I can ask a question.
1:05:06>> Well, I'll be getting to more, but
1:05:08that's the reason I asked that. Okay.
1:05:10Um, my next question for you is, have
1:05:12you ever um had contact with an
1:05:14individual by the name of Shantae
1:05:16Davies?
1:05:18>> I believe Shantae was that's a
1:05:19distinctive name. I saw I think that was
1:05:22the name of one of his flight
1:05:23attendants.
1:05:24>> Okay. Um, she has been described on
1:05:26being on a 2002 Africa trip and
1:05:28providing massages. Was she or any other
1:05:31young female on that trip underage at
1:05:33that time?
1:05:35>> Not that I'm aware of.
1:05:37>> Okay. Um, did you ever receive a massage
1:05:40or have physical contact from her or
1:05:42anyone else on that trip?
1:05:47>> You've seen the pictures. There was one
1:05:49time when I was sitting up and I got a
1:05:51back row by neck.
1:05:54>> Okay.
1:05:55>> And I think Shante did it, but I'm not
1:05:57sure.
1:05:57>> Okay. Um, did you ever visit Epstein's
1:06:00Little St. James Island?
1:06:02>> No.
1:06:04Um, we have Virginia Guy who has
1:06:06testified seeing you on the island with
1:06:08two young girls. Did this occur?
1:06:12>> Not at all. Okay. Um, why do you think
1:06:13she would have made that claim?
1:06:15>> Objection. Speculation. You can't
1:06:17possibly
1:06:19>> have you have you ever met her or any
1:06:21other Epstein associated underage girl?
1:06:24>> Not to my knowledge.
1:06:25>> Okay.
1:06:29In Epstein's 2016 deposition unsealed in
1:06:31the DOJ files, he refused to answer if
1:06:34you were accompanied by two young women
1:06:36who are approximately 18 years old on
1:06:38the island. Were any such women
1:06:40potentially underage with you? I know
1:06:41you've stated that you were not there,
1:06:43but did you have any interaction with
1:06:45the
1:06:46>> objection to the foundation of the
1:06:47question? He's already stated he was not
1:06:49on the island. He you're now asking
1:06:51about a claim of the fifth amendment by
1:06:52Jeffrey Epstein.
1:06:53>> Okay. Um, would the staff be able
1:06:56>> if if the witness doesn't know, the
1:06:58witness is welcome to say he doesn't
1:06:59know.
1:06:59>> No, but he actually answered the
1:07:00question. He answered the question, but
1:07:02it wasn't on the island as
1:07:04>> Okay. Um, do you know individual by the
1:07:07name of Sarah Ransom?
1:07:10>> I don't believe so.
1:07:11>> Okay.
1:07:13There have obviously been claims made
1:07:17about you. Um, and I do not believe that
1:07:20these claims are credible. The reason I
1:07:23am asking you specifically about that
1:07:24name is because that individual stated
1:07:27that you were um in sex tapes. Okay. It
1:07:30was unfounded and it was discredited.
1:07:33But given the politization of this
1:07:36entire investigation, do you believe
1:07:38that it would be appropriate of members
1:07:40of this committee to bring in witnesses
1:07:42whether it is about you or another
1:07:44president that have unfounded
1:07:46allegations regarding sexual claims of
1:07:49misconduct?
1:07:51That's not a decision for me to make.
1:07:54>> As a recommendation in regards to
1:07:56avoiding trafficking, etc., and bringing
1:07:58justice for the victims, would you make
1:08:00that recommendation to this committee?
1:08:04>> Just so I understand the question,
1:08:05you're you're saying if the witness has
1:08:07unfounded claims?
1:08:08>> Well, I don't believe that Sarah
1:08:10Ransom's claims about the president are
1:08:12founded. I don't believe that there's
1:08:13sex tapes with you, President Clinton.
1:08:15>> No, I'm just asking about your question.
1:08:17Is is it I you're not asking if somebody
1:08:20with plausible claims should be brought
1:08:22in. You're asking if somebody with
1:08:23implausible unfounded claims.
1:08:25>> Correct. Because these claims were found
1:08:26to be unfounded by investigators.
1:08:29>> So, are you asking his opinion?
1:08:30>> Yes. Because we are trying to figure out
1:08:32in regards to being able to further this
1:08:35investigation and whether or not we are
1:08:36going to be interviewing other
1:08:38individuals regarding sex trafficking,
1:08:39avoiding it in the future. I know that
1:08:41you and your wife have both been big on
1:08:43this issue. So, I'm asking you, would
1:08:46you think that it would be appropriate
1:08:47that this committee bring in someone
1:08:49like Sarah Ransom who has unfounded
1:08:51claims that have been debunked in this
1:08:54investigation?
1:08:55>> He answered the question about he
1:08:56answered this question when you first
1:08:57asked it then when you said when he said
1:08:59that it wasn't for him to make those
1:09:01decisions.
1:09:01>> Well, I'm asking for his recommendation
1:09:03to the committee and followup.
1:09:06>> It's not it's not a gotcha question.
1:09:08This is obviously a very serious
1:09:09investigation.
1:09:11Well, first of all,
1:09:18I recommend that you
1:09:21have on your staff a prosecutor who's
1:09:22had a lot of experience in this dealing
1:09:24with these cases. Normally, it's not a
1:09:27good idea to bring in a witness that you
1:09:29know is lying.
1:09:31>> Okay, thank you for that. Um, my last
1:09:35questions for you are, are you familiar
1:09:37with anyone by the name of Adriana Ross?
1:09:41I don't think so.
1:09:42>> How about Sarah Kellen?
1:09:44>> I don't think so.
1:09:45>> Okay. Would you recommend that this
1:09:48committee bring in individuals that were
1:09:50listed as trafficking
1:09:53minors? They were listed as
1:09:55co-conspirators and then given plea
1:09:57deals.
1:10:00I don't know enough about it, but I
1:10:02think you should do whatever you think
1:10:04will strengthen
1:10:06the ability
1:10:08of the United States
1:10:11not to have this happen again.
1:10:13>> Okay. Is it possible and in your opinion
1:10:17that you andor your wife were targeted
1:10:20as a means of an intelligence gathering
1:10:22operation?
1:10:22>> Object form of the question.
1:10:25>> Object the form of the question. No, no
1:10:27objection to if he knows that they were
1:10:29targeted.
1:10:30>> I believe that's what she asked.
1:10:31>> No, she said it's impossible. So, she's
1:10:33asking him to speculate instead of
1:10:34asking him does.
1:10:35>> Do you know Do you know if you were
1:10:37targeted at any point?
1:10:40>> I don't. But
1:10:43I don't I'd sort of be surprised, but
1:10:45I'm not I don't know.
1:10:47>> Okay. All right. Chairman Comr, I think
1:10:50that deals my time. I just want to say
1:10:51thank you very much um
1:10:54President Clinton for coming in and I do
1:10:56understand that this has been
1:10:57politicized but again I will stay on
1:10:59record and I will state this to the
1:11:00press that I don't believe that uh Sarah
1:11:02Kellum's claims against you were valid.
1:11:05>> Thank you.
1:11:15>> Mr. President, before we left off, I
1:11:18asked you to characterize your
1:11:20relationship with Mr. Epstein. I asked
1:11:22you if you considered him to be a
1:11:24friend. You said you did not. Is that
1:11:26right?
1:11:28>> I said we were friendly and we had a
1:11:29cordial relations, but I didn't know him
1:11:31well enough
1:11:33because we had almost no contact beyond
1:11:35what I described.
1:11:37>> At this time, I'd like to introduce what
1:11:39will be marked as majority exhibit 13.
1:11:43And this is Batesmart House Oversight
1:11:46000126.
1:11:49And while it's being passed out, this is
1:11:51a letter from a book of letters which
1:11:54>> 50th birthday,
1:11:55>> Jeffrey Epstein's 50th birthday
1:11:57question,
1:12:01>> Mr. President, do you recognize this
1:12:03letter?
1:12:04>> And for the record, does this appear to
1:12:06be your handwriting and signature? It
1:12:08is.
1:12:09>> And why did you write this letter?
1:12:13Why did I?
1:12:15>> Because I was requested to contribute an
1:12:18ICE letter for his birthday book.
1:12:21>> And who asked you to write the letter?
1:12:25>> I have no I don't remember.
1:12:27>> Would Miss Maxwell have asked?
1:12:29>> I don't know. I think my someone on my
1:12:30staff asked me.
1:12:33Now,
1:12:35there's a word that our committee has
1:12:38not been able to identify and in our
1:12:40defense, the Wall Street Journal has not
1:12:43been able to identify.
1:12:44>> Imagine being on his staff.
1:12:45>> Can you please read the letter for the
1:12:48record?
1:12:50>> Yes.
1:12:51It's reassuring, isn't it, to have
1:12:53lasted so long across all the years of
1:12:57learning and knowing, adventures and
1:12:59errors, and still to have your childlike
1:13:02curiosity, the drive to make a
1:13:04difference, and the solace of friends.
1:13:11>> Not a bad letter. And because we haven't
1:13:14been able to identify that word until
1:13:17now, what did you
1:13:18>> which word was it that you could not
1:13:20>> solace? You couldn't
1:13:21>> No, no. Errors.
1:13:23>> Errors.
1:13:26>> I mean, anybody who's lived 50 years and
1:13:29done anything has made mistakes as well
1:13:31as progress and done things.
1:13:34>> But for the record, you weren't
1:13:35referring to errors in judgment that Mr.
1:13:37Epstein had related to his uh
1:13:41inappropriate activities involving
1:13:43>> Absolutely not. I knew nothing about
1:13:44that.
1:13:50>> Did you ever see the birthday book
1:13:52compiled together?
1:13:53>> I don't think so.
1:13:57>> And you mentioned previously
1:14:00you were friendly with Mr. Epstein.
1:14:05Did you typically send birthday wishes
1:14:07to individuals that you didn't consider
1:14:09to be friends though?
1:14:12>> No. I'm I send out literally hundreds
1:14:16and hundreds of birthday letters every
1:14:17year to people that have been my
1:14:19friends.
1:14:21And but if somebody's doing a special
1:14:25I've sent birthday letters of
1:14:26congratulations to people I've met two
1:14:28or three times for their 70th birthday,
1:14:32their 80th birthday, their you know 50th
1:14:35wedding anniversary.
1:14:38I do it and I found I told you I thought
1:14:40Estream was interesting and curious. So
1:14:44I wrote a letter that I thought
1:14:45reflected that. Can you elaborate on
1:14:48what made him interesting and curious?
1:14:51>> No more than I've already said.
1:14:54>> At this time, I'd like to introduce will
1:14:56be marked as majority exhibit 14. And
1:15:00while it's being handed out, this is an
1:15:02article published by the New York Times
1:15:04on August 5th, 2025 entitled A Look
1:15:07Inside Epson's Manhattan Lair.
1:15:10And once you receive the article, I will
1:15:12just direct your attention to page 10.
1:15:16Where is that?
1:15:18>> No, they haven't brought it yet.
1:15:26>> Thank you very much.
1:15:31>> And we're specifically
1:15:34looking at a framed photo on a wooden
1:15:38table alongside multiple other framed
1:15:40photos. And we're focusing on the photo
1:15:43in the middle which appears to have a
1:15:46golden frame.
1:16:02Not the page with the pope.
1:16:05>> Yeah. Okay, I see it.
1:16:06>> Page 10. Is that what we're on?
1:16:08>> Page 10.
1:16:11>> Mr. President, do you recognize yourself
1:16:13in this photo?
1:16:14>> I do.
1:16:15>> And it appears that the man on the right
1:16:17of the photo is Jeffrey Epstein. Is that
1:16:19correct?
1:16:20>> I think so.
1:16:21>> Have you seen this photograph before
1:16:23today?
1:16:24>> Only in this picture.
1:16:28>> And for the record, what is happening in
1:16:30this photo?
1:16:32He's smiling at me. Looks like he's
1:16:35talking to me.
1:16:36>> This is one of the friendly interactions
1:16:38that you were describing earlier.
1:16:40>> Yes.
1:16:40>> And can you describe the circumstances
1:16:42surrounding this photo?
1:16:44>> Are you asking him if he recalls this?
1:16:45>> I do not. I I have no idea.
1:16:49I see Richard Branson in the back and
1:16:54>> okay
1:16:54>> other people
1:16:58>> but I don't remember anything about it
1:17:01and you appear to be comfortable with
1:17:03Mr. Epsy in this photo. Would you
1:17:05disagree with
1:17:06>> that characterization?
1:17:07>> You were creating a characterization.
1:17:08He's already responded to your question
1:17:10about the picture.
1:17:12>> I'm comfortable with all I'm comfortable
1:17:14here. I'm not happy about
1:17:25>> and my conscience is clear. That helps.
1:17:46Is that
1:17:58>> okay?
1:18:04>> Mr. President, we have about five
1:18:06minutes remaining in the majority's
1:18:08first hour. So, I just want to ask you
1:18:11some questions related to
1:18:14the crimes committed by Mr. Epstein and
1:18:17Miss Maxwell.
1:18:20Did you ever witness Mr. Epstein
1:18:22sexually abuse or assault young women or
1:18:25girls?
1:18:25>> No.
1:18:26>> Did you ever witness Mr. Epste receive
1:18:28massages from young women or girls?
1:18:31>> Not that I recall.
1:18:34>> Did Mr. Epstein ever discuss sexual acts
1:18:37of any kind with you?
1:18:38>> No.
1:18:42>> Did you ever have any sexual contact
1:18:45with young women or girls in the
1:18:47presence of Epstein or Maxwell?
1:18:50>> No.
1:18:53>> Did you ever have sexual contact with
1:18:56any young woman or girl introduced to
1:18:58you by Epstein or Maxwell?
1:19:00>> No.
1:19:05Mr. President, with the benefit of
1:19:07hindsight, were there things you
1:19:10witnessed that could have suggested
1:19:12that Epstein was trafficking and
1:19:15sexually abusing young women and girls?
1:19:24>> I do not believe so.
1:19:30We will go off the record.
1:19:42We can go back on the record. Mr.
1:19:46President, good morning.
1:19:47>> Good morning.
1:19:48>> My name is
1:19:52and I'll be doing most of the
1:19:54questioning for the minority today.
1:19:57First, I want to thank you for your long
1:19:59and distinguished service to this
1:20:01country. I also want to thank you for
1:20:03your time today. We appreciate it.
1:20:06Before we get to questions, I'd like to
1:20:08take a few minutes and highlight some
1:20:09context that we think is relevant for
1:20:11today's conversation.
1:20:14President Trump had a long-standing
1:20:16personal relationship with Jeffrey
1:20:18Epstein. That is not a secret. It is
1:20:20well documented and I think the public
1:20:22and everyone in Congress understands
1:20:24that at this point.
1:20:26President Trump does not like talking
1:20:28about his long-standing personal
1:20:30relationship with Jeffrey Epstein. I
1:20:32think we've all seen that as well. On
1:20:34November 12th of last year, Oversight
1:20:37Committee Democrats released emails that
1:20:39were obtained from the estate of Jeffrey
1:20:41Epstein. In one email from 2011, Epstein
1:20:45said to Galain Maxwell that President
1:20:47Trump was quote that dog that hasn't
1:20:50barked and that an unnamed victim quote
1:20:53spent hours at my house with him. In
1:20:56another email from 2019, Epstein wrote
1:20:59that quote of course he referring to
1:21:01President Trump knew about the girls as
1:21:04he asked Gain to stop. I'd like to enter
1:21:08as minority exhibit A oversight
1:21:10Democrats press release from November
1:21:1312th, 2025 titled House Oversight
1:21:16Committee releases Jeffrey Epstein email
1:21:19correspondent raising questions about
1:21:22White House cover up of Epstein files
1:21:24and that includes both the emails that I
1:21:26just mentioned.
1:21:29There was a fair amount of public
1:21:30attention on those emails and two days
1:21:32later, President Trump asked the
1:21:35Department of Justice to investigate
1:21:37Epstein's relationships with yourself,
1:21:41Larry Summers, Reed Hoffman, and JP
1:21:44Morgan Chase. You are, of course, a
1:21:47former Democratic president of the
1:21:50United States. Notably, President Trump
1:21:53did not include any Republicans in his
1:21:55demands.
1:21:57Later that day, Attorney General Pam
1:21:59Bondi posted on social media that the US
1:22:02Attorney for the Southern District of
1:22:04New York would comply with President
1:22:06Trump's directive and take the lead on
1:22:08the investigation.
1:22:10I would like to enter as minority
1:22:12exhibit B, Attorney General Bondi's post
1:22:15on X, which also includes President
1:22:17Trump's post on truth socially.
1:22:23It is well understood that you had a
1:22:26personal relationship with Mr. Epstein
1:22:28and we will talk about that today. But
1:22:31the events I just described color our
1:22:33perspective on the conversation. It
1:22:35appears as if you and other Democratic
1:22:37figures have been targeted by President
1:22:40Donald Trump in an attempt to distract
1:22:42the American people from his own
1:22:44long-standing relationship with Jeffrey
1:22:47Epstein. And if that were true, it would
1:22:49not be the first time that President
1:22:51Trump has targeted his political enemies
1:22:54under the guise of law enforcement. This
1:22:57deposition is occurring in the context
1:22:59of unprecedented weaponization of the
1:23:02Department of Justice by Donald Trump.
1:23:05You may have a perspective on this of
1:23:07your own. So before we get started, I
1:23:09just want to give you the opportunity to
1:23:10share any thoughts you might have on
1:23:12that subject.
1:23:19I think I'll let you ask me some
1:23:21questions and then maybe at the end I'll
1:23:22say something.
1:23:23>> That sounds fine. Thank you. I'd like to
1:23:26start our conversation with a few
1:23:28foundational questions so we can just
1:23:30set the record straight from the very
1:23:31beginning. With respect to your
1:23:34relationship with Mr. Epstein. Did you
1:23:37ever at any point during your
1:23:39interactions with Jeffrey Epstein know
1:23:41about the sexual abuse that he was
1:23:43committing against minors and young
1:23:45women?
1:23:46>> No.
1:23:47>> Have you ever engaged in sexual activity
1:23:50with a person introduced to you by
1:23:52Jeffrey Epstein?
1:23:53>> No.
1:23:55>> With respect to your relationship with
1:23:57M. Galain Maxwell. Did you ever at any
1:24:00point during your interactions with
1:24:02Galain Maxwell know about the sexual
1:24:05abuse that she committed and facilitated
1:24:07against minors and young women?
1:24:09>> No.
1:24:10>> Have you ever engaged in sexual activity
1:24:13with a person introduced to you by
1:24:15Galain Maxwell?
1:24:16>> No.
1:24:19>> Have you ever at any point visited
1:24:21Jeffrey Epstein's former estate on
1:24:24Little St. James Island in the US Virgin
1:24:27Island.
1:24:27>> No.
1:24:30>> In February of last year, Attorney
1:24:32General Pam Bondi said on Fox News that
1:24:35you traveled on Mr. Epstein's plane,
1:24:38quote, because it supposedly had a bed
1:24:40in there where Jeffrey Epstein had young
1:24:43girls. I will ask you, did you fly on
1:24:46Mr. Epstein's plane because it had a bed
1:24:48where Jeffrey Epstein had young girls?
1:24:51>> No.
1:24:52Are there any other accusations that
1:24:54have been made against you with respect
1:24:56to Mr. Epstein that you'd like to
1:24:57address before we get started with some
1:24:59chronological questions?
1:25:02>> I think you pretty well covered it.
1:25:07>> Thank you.
1:25:08>> Thank you. I will ask a series of
1:25:10chronological questions. I'd like to try
1:25:13to create one clear chronological
1:25:15record. Some of that might be repetitive
1:25:18from what you've already talked about. I
1:25:19will try to keep that to a minimum. All
1:25:22of these questions are from a long time
1:25:24ago. If you don't recall anything about
1:25:26what I'm asking, just let me know.
1:25:29Starting with events before and during
1:25:32your presidency, the earliest known link
1:25:34that we're aware of between yourself and
1:25:36Mr. Epstein is that he made a pair of
1:25:39campaign contributions to you in 1992.
1:25:42There was a $1,000 contribution to your
1:25:45presidential election committee in
1:25:47January 1992. and another thousand in
1:25:50June to the Clinton Core General
1:25:53Election Compliance Fund. I imagine a
1:25:55lot of folks donated $1,000 to your
1:25:57campaign. Do you have any specific
1:25:59recollection or knowledge of those
1:26:01particular contributions?
1:26:02>> No, I think this is the first time I've
1:26:04ever known that.
1:26:06>> Thank you. That takes us into your time
1:26:09as president. You were elected in
1:26:12November of 1992 and inaugurated in
1:26:14January of 1993.
1:26:17Mr. Mr. Epstein visited the White House
1:26:19a number of times while you were in
1:26:20office.
1:26:22Our understanding is that Mr. Epstein
1:26:24visited the White House 17 times between
1:26:271993 and 1995. I am not going to walk
1:26:31you through each of those visits. I'm
1:26:33just going to break them into
1:26:34categories.
1:26:36I think first with respect to the only
1:26:38Epstein visit where it is publicly known
1:26:40that you either met Mr. Epste or had
1:26:43some interaction was the White House
1:26:45Historical Association reception that
1:26:48you mentioned earlier. I know there's a
1:26:50photograph that you mentioned of
1:26:51yourself and Mr. Epstein meeting. Am I
1:26:54right that you have no specific
1:26:55recollection of meeting Mr. Epstein or
1:26:57Miss Maxwell at that event?
1:26:59>> I don't.
1:27:00>> Okay.
1:27:02>> With respect to the other 16 times that
1:27:04Mr. Epste came and went and that spanned
1:27:061993 to 1995. Am I right that you have
1:27:10no specific recollection of meeting Mr.
1:27:13Epstein any of those times?
1:27:16>> No, I don't think I did and I don't know
1:27:18who he saw.
1:27:26It's been publicly reported that in
1:27:28March of 1995, there was a fundraiser in
1:27:32Palm Beach that you attended and that
1:27:35Mr. Epstein also attended. Other guests
1:27:38reportedly included Jimmy Buffett and
1:27:40investor Ron Pearlman, who may have
1:27:42hosted the event at his home. Do you
1:27:44have any specific recollection of that
1:27:47event?
1:27:51I remember going there in 1995.
1:27:54I have now seen the picture
1:27:57with Jeffrey Epstein and Jimmy Buffett.
1:28:01I recognize Jimmy Buffett. He was a
1:28:04longtime friend of mine. He performed
1:28:05for me twice in my second term as
1:28:09president
1:28:11and we were friends
1:28:14for the rest of his life. Uh,
1:28:19but that's it. I I didn't I don't know
1:28:21if he knew
1:28:23Mr. Epstein. I have no idea what that
1:28:26picture was. I didn't remember it.
1:28:28>> And so is it right that you have no
1:28:30specific recollection of meeting Mr.
1:28:32Epstein?
1:28:32>> No, I don't. at that fundraiser just for
1:28:36the transfer.
1:28:39>> I'd like to introduce as minority
1:28:42exhibit C an article from the Daily
1:28:45Beast titled Jeffrey Epstein visited
1:28:47Clinton White House multiple times in
1:28:50early 90s. That article is dated
1:28:53July 24th, 2019. Once once you receive
1:28:57it, I'll just direct you to page eight
1:29:00of the article that you're about to
1:29:01receive.
1:29:02>> Okay.
1:29:05D.
1:29:23I'll give you a moment to look that note
1:29:25over and then I'll read the relevant
1:29:27portion into the record.
1:29:33page eight.
1:29:36>> Oh, good.
1:29:49>> Yep. So you can see here that on April
1:29:5227th, 1995, Lynn Forester, now Lynn
1:29:56Forester de Rothschild, sounds like
1:29:58served on a few committees or boards
1:30:00under your administration, wrote you a
1:30:02note. I'll just read part of that note
1:30:04out loud. Dear Mr. President, it was a
1:30:07pleasure to see you recently at Senator
1:30:09Kennedy's house. There was too much to
1:30:11discuss and too little time. Using my 15
1:30:14seconds of access to discuss Jeffrey
1:30:16Epstein and currency stabilization, I
1:30:19neglected to talk to you about a topic
1:30:21near and dear to my heart, namely
1:30:23affirmative action and the future. And
1:30:26that's the end of the relevant portion.
1:30:28I just wanted to ask whether you have
1:30:30any specific recollection of this note
1:30:33or of your conversation with Miss
1:30:35Forester.
1:30:36>> I don't.
1:30:46As far as you can remember, at this
1:30:48point in the middle of 1995,
1:30:51how would you have characterized your
1:30:53relationship with Mr. Epstein?
1:30:58>> It would be virtually non-existent.
1:31:04>> Do you recall any other interactions
1:31:06that occurred between yourself and Mr.
1:31:08Epstein during your time in office that
1:31:10have not already been mentioned today.
1:31:14>> No,
1:31:21I think I think I told you everything I
1:31:23know.
1:31:25>> In October of 1999, toward the end of
1:31:28your time in office, we know that
1:31:29Epstein contributed $20,000 to the first
1:31:32lady's joint fundraising account. Would
1:31:34you have any memory or knowledge of that
1:31:37particular contribution?
1:31:38>> No. Was that for a White House related
1:31:41thing?
1:31:41>> No. Uh joint fundraising. He means the
1:31:43Senate.
1:31:44>> Oh, no. I didn't know that.
1:31:49>> Okay. I am going to move to the years
1:31:52after your presidency.
1:31:54We'll do this in chronological order as
1:31:57well. Your second term ended in January
1:32:00of 2001.
1:32:02In December of 2001, the New York Post
1:32:06reported that you and Miss Maxwell had
1:32:09dinner at a New York City restaurant
1:32:12called Nellos. Do you have any specific
1:32:15recollection of that dinner?
1:32:18>> No.
1:32:20Did
1:32:22>> how do I know? I don't nor do I remember
1:32:25the article.
1:32:28So, moving into 2002,
1:32:32uh, you touched on this in the previous
1:32:34round. It sounds like there were there
1:32:35were two meetings. We don't have exact
1:32:37dates for them, but one of them was at
1:32:39your office in Harlem with Mr. Epstein.
1:32:42The other was at Mr. Epstein's home in
1:32:44New York City. Could you just repeat for
1:32:46us what do you recall about each
1:32:48meeting? Maybe starting with your office
1:32:49in Harlem.
1:32:51I just remember that sometime
1:32:54in 2002, I think,
1:32:59he paid a visit and you he had become
1:33:06I think it was either after or just
1:33:08before we started the flights,
1:33:11but he obviously was going to be a
1:33:13serious support of the foundation and I
1:33:17think he played a visit. He I was
1:33:19flattered they wanted to see my office.
1:33:21I liked it.
1:33:22>> And then uh the meeting at his home in
1:33:26New York City, did I hear you say in the
1:33:28previous hour that Mr. Epstein was not
1:33:29actually there?
1:33:31>> I said that when I wrote my book and
1:33:34talked about it
1:33:36and when I've talked about it in the
1:33:38past, I've always I realize I talk as if
1:33:41he were there and of course he was
1:33:43there. And I started trying to picture
1:33:47the nice man on the staff that showed me
1:33:50around and I couldn't I don't now I'm
1:33:53just being honest I don't remember
1:33:54whether he was there or not. He could
1:33:56have been there but I don't remember.
1:33:59>> As far as you can recall would the
1:34:01purpose of that meeting also have been
1:34:03related to Mr. Epstein's support of your
1:34:06work through his plane for example?
1:34:08Yeah, the per the reason we went by
1:34:11regardless of who was there
1:34:14was that my staff had we finished an
1:34:18event in New York City that at a place
1:34:23and you know Lord knows how many I've
1:34:25done since then I don't remember what it
1:34:26was for but it was in New York City and
1:34:30my staff said you know we're only a
1:34:33couple blocks from Epstein's house
1:34:36it's a converted elementary school. He's
1:34:39very proud of it and I think, you know,
1:34:43it'd be a nice thing to do since it's
1:34:46early. You could just go by and take a
1:34:48look at it.
1:34:51So, that's what we did.
1:34:53>> Do you recall seeing anything or anyone
1:34:56in his home that was suspicious or
1:34:59reflected abnormally young women or
1:35:02girls?
1:35:04>> No. The only people I saw there that
1:35:06night were staff
1:35:08and him. If he was there, I just don't
1:35:10remember.
1:35:11>> Do you recall seeing any images of uh
1:35:14young girls or women at Epstein's home?
1:35:18>> No.
1:35:22>> So, moving to some of the travel on Mr.
1:35:25Epstein's plane, and we have specific
1:35:27dates for a lot of that. Uh I'd like to
1:35:30move through that chronology of known
1:35:32trips just one at a time in order to
1:35:35begin. Uh flight logs indicate that on
1:35:38February 9th of 2002 and we'll give you
1:35:41the logs. You flew on Mr. Epstein's
1:35:44plane from Miami to Westchester County,
1:35:46New York with Epstein Maxwell and some
1:35:49others. And you mentioned this flight in
1:35:52the previous round as well. I will
1:35:53introduce that flight log as minority
1:35:56exhibit D. We'll give you a moment to
1:35:59receive that and take a look at it.
1:36:22>> Is this one page?
1:36:23>> It is one page. Exactly.
1:36:28and the flight in question. Uh the left
1:36:30most column has a number nine on it and
1:36:32you can see your name at the beginning
1:36:34in one of the middle uh columns.
1:36:36>> Excuse me. At the top it says 15.
1:36:41>> Are you talking about a date? Could you
1:36:43just
1:36:43>> Yeah, the one on February 9th.
1:36:44>> Thank you.
1:36:45>> Sure.
1:36:55Yeah, it I do see it.
1:36:58>> Great. I'll just ask some specific
1:37:00questions as an initial question and we
1:37:02can see it here. You had a Secret
1:37:05Service detail that traveled with you
1:37:07after you left office presumably still
1:37:10does. Is that correct?
1:37:11>> That's correct.
1:37:12>> And did that detail accompany you on all
1:37:15trips that you took with Mr. Epstein?
1:37:18>> Yes.
1:37:21for this trip from Miami to Westchester.
1:37:25First, just do you recall the
1:37:26circumstances of the trip?
1:37:29>> No, I I was down there and I was coming
1:37:32home. I don't remember why I was down
1:37:34there.
1:37:36>> In terms of who was present on the
1:37:38flight and and we'll do this exercise
1:37:40with the other trips as well. Are you
1:37:42able to make out from the initials here
1:37:46maybe who is who? In other words, I can
1:37:47see your name and I can see four secret
1:37:50service and then from there we have two
1:37:53males, one female,
1:37:56I think Mr. Abstein and Miss Maxwell and
1:37:58then SK and AP. Do you have any
1:38:02recollection of who any of those folks
1:38:04may have been?
1:38:06>> No,
1:38:09I just don't want to run. Sorry, I
1:38:10don't.
1:38:13And the and the
1:38:15initials, they don't mean anything to
1:38:17me.
1:38:17>> This isn't the record from yours. This
1:38:19is their record.
1:38:22>> Yeah.
1:38:25>> In February in 2002, so the same month
1:38:28as this flight, it was reported that you
1:38:31and Miss Maxwell were seated together at
1:38:34some type of charity gala in New York. I
1:38:36don't know what the charity was or where
1:38:38exactly the event occurred. Do you have
1:38:40any recollection of what I'm referring
1:38:41to? Could you state the date again, sir?
1:38:43>> In the same month, February 2002, and I
1:38:46don't have an exact date.
1:38:47>> What was the report in?
1:38:49>> Simply that you and Miss Maxwell were
1:38:51seated together at a charity gala in New
1:38:54York.
1:38:54>> Wow. I have no recollection of it, but
1:38:57it could have happened.
1:39:01>> Heading into March of 2002, so the
1:39:04following month, we have a series of
1:39:08international travel. And the first of
1:39:10those trips indicates that on March 19th
1:39:14and 21st of 2002, you flew on Mr.
1:39:18Epstein's plane from JFK to London and
1:39:21back with Mr. Epstein, Miss Maxwell, and
1:39:24some others. We will introduce those
1:39:27flight logs as minority exhibit E and go
1:39:30through the same exercise.
1:39:42Thank you.
1:39:48>> And that's the 19th and the 21st.
1:39:57>> The 19th and the 21st.
1:39:58>> Yes.
1:40:00>> Down toward the bottom of the page.
1:40:12Does this apply to London?
1:40:13>> Yes.
1:40:15>> Yeah. This says we had 10 Secret Service
1:40:17agents.
1:40:19>> So I guess just to start with, do you
1:40:21recall the circumstances or the reason
1:40:23for this trip?
1:40:26>> And this was when
1:40:28>> this was March of 2002.
1:40:32I don't but keep in mind
1:40:36there was a lot of stuff going on the
1:40:41India
1:40:45four in the late January four days after
1:40:48I left office had a horrible earthquake
1:40:53and lots of people died
1:40:56and
1:40:59I called the prime minister of India,
1:41:02Mr. Bashi
1:41:05who belongs to the current leaders party
1:41:08but was much less uber nationalist
1:41:12and I asked him if I could help
1:41:17and he said yes. He said I have the
1:41:18money and organization to fix the big
1:41:20cities but not the smaller towns and we
1:41:25need schools, we need hospitals, we need
1:41:27all the stuff rebuilt. Will you help? So
1:41:29that's the first thing I undertook to do
1:41:32even before the AIDS thing after I left
1:41:34the White House.
1:41:37So I was there. So by March of 2002, the
1:41:42next year,
1:41:44we were still working on that and then
1:41:47the South Asian tsunami hit
1:41:51in December. So I was doing all this
1:41:55stuff
1:41:56with and also trying to get set up at
1:42:00home too. So
1:42:03that's why I it it sounds unusual for me
1:42:07to have 10 Secret Service agents, but I
1:42:09must have been going to several stops.
1:42:12>> And is it the same for you when you look
1:42:15at some of these names? I can make out
1:42:16the name Naomi Campbell. Do you have any
1:42:19recollection of Naomi Campbell being on
1:42:21this flight? Naammy would when we went
1:42:23to Europe once I think she went on one.
1:42:25She was a friend of Doug and
1:42:31that's what I remember. Let me see.
1:42:37Yep.
1:42:40And Jeffrey Galain.
1:42:43I don't know who the other people are.
1:42:46>> Looks like Doug Vand is listed there.
1:42:48And that
1:42:48>> Yeah, he's there. But SK, I don't know
1:42:50who that is. Okay, great. Thank you.
1:42:58Moving to May of 2002, just two months
1:43:01after the one we just looked at. Flight
1:43:03logs show a series of flights around
1:43:05Asia. Got five flights including Hong
1:43:08Kong, China, Singapore, and Thailand.
1:43:12I'll introduce the flight logs for that
1:43:14trip. Just take a look at it together as
1:43:16minority exhibit F.
1:43:38You still need it, right?
1:43:39>> We do. We do need it. Thank you. Oh,
1:43:41great. Thank you very much.
1:43:48And
1:43:48>> you said,
1:43:49>> so those are from the 22nd to the 25th.
1:43:53>> Let me just highlight 22.
1:44:00>> And you're saying each one till the
1:44:0225th?
1:44:03>> Yeah. So the first one lists the former
1:44:05president and then four in a row after
1:44:07that list same as above. So it's the
1:44:09same group of folks for about five
1:44:12flights.
1:44:13>> So same question. this trip to Asia. Do
1:44:16you have a recollection of the
1:44:17circumstances how the trip came about?
1:44:21>> Yeah, the two that was 2002, right?
1:44:24>> Yes.
1:44:25>> So,
1:44:30we
1:44:33and and when was the tsunami?
1:44:36Was it at the end of 2002 or the end of
1:44:382001?
1:44:40>> That I'm not sure of. But just to the
1:44:43best of your memory, you have to share
1:44:45what you know. Anyway, to the best of my
1:44:47memory, this was a trip to raise funds
1:44:51to organize our health network in Asia,
1:44:57which was basically designed
1:45:01to deal with AIDS,
1:45:04but also
1:45:07was I was heavily involved in the
1:45:10reconstruction of India after the
1:45:12earthquake there.
1:45:15and was asked to do it by the prime
1:45:18minister and
1:45:20and later by the UN. So I was involved
1:45:23with that.
1:45:24>> And do you have any recollection of who
1:45:26these individuals on the flight were,
1:45:29for example? There are a few female
1:45:31names. I think one is Janice, one is
1:45:34Jessica. When you look at the log, do
1:45:37you have any recollection of who's who?
1:45:40>> No.
1:45:44She
1:45:44>> may have been a flight attendant. I
1:45:45don't know.
1:45:47>> Do you have any recollection of the
1:45:49flights themselves?
1:45:57>> This particular flight,
1:45:58>> this group of flights,
1:46:02>> I remember we made several stops and you
1:46:05mentioned them and we're going there,
1:46:07but that's all I remember. To the best
1:46:09of your recollection, whether with
1:46:11respect to the flights or the trip
1:46:13itself, did you ever witness or become
1:46:15aware of sexual abuse of any kind?
1:46:18>> No.
1:46:23>> We then have logs showing two flights in
1:46:26July of 2002,
1:46:29and I will introduce those as minority
1:46:32exhibit G.
1:46:35Give you a moment to receive those.
1:46:42What was the prior one?
1:46:44>> Prior one would have been F and that was
1:46:47the May 2002 flight one.
1:46:50>> Where's F?
1:46:51>> No, I put F on that but I thought that
1:46:53was um
1:46:57Sorry. So you're
1:46:58>> Oh, no problem. It should be May 2002. I
1:47:01have as F as in Frank.
1:47:06>> Okay. I'm not sure what this one was.
1:47:08Okay, got it. I'm gonna get the labels
1:47:10later.
1:47:11>> Okay,
1:47:11>> thank you. Sorry about that.
1:47:14>> So, so this one will be G and it's July
1:47:17of 2002, specifically on July 13th.
1:47:20>> Oh, sorry. Next one, Mr. President.
1:47:30>> I'll give you a moment.
1:47:31>> Does this say where we're going? Yeah,
1:47:32it's on the 13th and these flights are
1:47:35uh from Morocco to Portugal and then
1:47:38Portugal to JFK.
1:47:41And our understanding just from public
1:47:44reporting is that this may have been
1:47:46part of a trip to Morocco to attend the
1:47:48king of Morocco's wedding
1:47:50>> and you're asking him about the legs
1:47:52that he's on.
1:47:53>> Correct. Exactly.
1:47:56>> July of that when his wedding was.
1:47:58>> Sorry.
1:47:59>> Is that when he got married?
1:48:01>> It may have been. And I think that's my
1:48:02question for you is whether you recall
1:48:05>> that this trip
1:48:06>> I recall going to his wedding.
1:48:07>> Okay. Do you recall approximately when
1:48:09that wedding would have been?
1:48:13>> No, but I was it was a long time ago. I
1:48:15don't know if this was it. But I did go
1:48:17to Morocco more than once
1:48:21>> for the Do you recall attending the king
1:48:24of Morocco's wedding?
1:48:26>> Absolutely I did.
1:48:27>> Do you recall whether Mr. Epstein and
1:48:30Miss Maxwell also attended that wedding.
1:48:36>> I don't I remember I think Chelsea went
1:48:38with me
1:48:40and uh
1:48:46I remember because
1:48:48my late mother-in-law loved Morocco and
1:48:52Chelsea was there with her once and she
1:48:54wanted to go. So we went and it was
1:48:56really nice. I was very close to the
1:49:00king's father
1:49:03and I I marched in his funeral
1:49:06when he died.
1:49:09And so
1:49:13they had this wedding and we were
1:49:15invited and I very much wanted to go.
1:49:18Hillary was working and didn't go.
1:49:21Chelsea did and I think Huma was with us
1:49:24too.
1:49:28There's been some reporting reporting
1:49:30that you may have invited Mr. Epstein
1:49:33and Miss Maxwell to the king's wedding.
1:49:36It sounds like, but please you tell me.
1:49:38Do you have any specific recollection of
1:49:40that?
1:49:41>> I don't
1:49:43I don't remember.
1:49:45>> Do you have any specific recollection of
1:49:48these two flights which may or may not
1:49:50have been part of the king's wedding?
1:49:53there from Morocco to Portugal and
1:49:55Portugal to JFK. Mr. Epstein and Miss
1:49:58Maxwell were on the flights as well as
1:50:00yourself.
1:50:02>> When I was coming home,
1:50:05>> he's just asking you about these two
1:50:07legs and he's asking you, do you have
1:50:08any recollection of these two legs of
1:50:11the flight?
1:50:12>> No, I I remember the wedding very well
1:50:15and all the stuff that happened, but
1:50:17that's all. I don't remember it coming
1:50:18or the going.
1:50:20>> Thank you.
1:50:23In September of that year, we have the
1:50:25trip that I think a lot of folks are
1:50:27aware of. This is a trip to Africa in
1:50:32September of 2002.
1:50:34The trip started at JFK, ended in
1:50:38London, stopped in Ghana, Nigeria,
1:50:41Rwanda, Mosmbique, and South Africa.
1:50:44Some high-profile figures were on board,
1:50:47including actor Kevin Spacy and comedian
1:50:50Chris Tucker. as well as Mr. Epstein and
1:50:53Miss Maxwell. I will introduce those
1:50:55flight logs as minority exhibit H.
1:51:00I'll give you a moment to receive them.
1:51:01>> Thank you.
1:51:10>> Thank you very much.
1:51:23So, this is a two-sided document and the
1:51:25flights are the bottom half of the first
1:51:28page and one flight at the top of the
1:51:31second page
1:51:31>> starting on the 21st.
1:51:33>> Yes.
1:51:34>> Sure.
1:51:35>> Okay.
1:51:37>> Starting now. I'll just ask you
1:51:39generally before we look at the log
1:51:42specifically.
1:51:44What is your recollection of how this
1:51:47trip to Africa came about?
1:51:51>> Well, this is where most of our work was
1:51:53going to be done. And what month is
1:51:56this?
1:51:57>> This is I believe September of 2002.
1:52:02So,
1:52:06and the
1:52:08countries we were going to
1:52:11represent places where we had
1:52:14operations like Mosmbique for example
1:52:18had a big age problem and we were trying
1:52:21to help and there was
1:52:26so
1:52:29that's what I know We in South Africa,
1:52:35we spent quite a bit of time because I
1:52:37wanted to go see Mandela. He was still
1:52:39in good shape then.
1:52:42And we did things together.
1:52:46And then
1:52:52Charlene Hunter, who was one of the
1:52:55black
1:52:56women that integrated the University of
1:52:58Georgia and became then a very
1:53:01well-known international television
1:53:04commentator for PBS
1:53:06and her husband Ron had moved down to
1:53:09South Africa and they were longtime
1:53:12friends of mine. We had celebrated the
1:53:15150th birthday of Arkansas together
1:53:18in Little Rock. We
1:53:21were longtime friends. And so we went to
1:53:23visit them and she threw a big cook out
1:53:26for us
1:53:27and it was a funny time. Chris
1:53:32Tucker and Kevin Spacy imitated me.
1:53:37>> So So a lot of these names on the logs
1:53:40are hard to make out. Do you have any
1:53:41specific recollection of who was on
1:53:44board those flights?
1:53:46>> Uh,
1:53:47>> he's not asking you to review and try
1:53:49and see if you can read their names.
1:53:50He's asking you what your recollection
1:53:51is.
1:53:52>> It says
1:53:54Shanti Davis wasn't she work for
1:53:57Jeffrey?
1:53:59>> And I think it was discussed in the
1:54:00previous round, but that well-known
1:54:02photograph of yourself and Miss Davies,
1:54:05>> what is your recollection of the extent
1:54:07of your interactions with Miss Davies on
1:54:09that trip? Where were we?
1:54:11>> Uh, in Africa.
1:54:12>> No, no. Where was the photograph? I
1:54:14>> think it was at the airport.
1:54:15>> Oh,
1:54:16>> on the way to
1:54:18>> That's it.
1:54:20I mean, we had a good relationship, but
1:54:22it was entirely
1:54:24profit. I never had any personal contact
1:54:28with her if that's what you imply.
1:54:29>> And am I right that while on that trip,
1:54:31whether the trip or the flights, did you
1:54:33ever witness or become aware of sexual
1:54:36abuse of any kind?
1:54:37>> I did not.
1:54:38>> Thank you. Thank you, Mr. President.
1:54:40Thank you. We have a series of questions
1:54:42from some of the members in the
1:54:44minority. Um, and so I'll be calling
1:54:46them up as we as we go through. Um, and
1:54:48thank you. Just want to again thank you
1:54:49for for being here and and answering all
1:54:51the questions. Uh, we appreciate that
1:54:53and for your service. Um, just two
1:54:55clarifying questions. One that was asked
1:54:57during the Republican hour and I just
1:54:59want to just have you re reiterate it
1:55:00for the record. Um, either during or
1:55:03after your presidency, were you ever
1:55:05made aware of Jeffrey Epstein having any
1:55:08kind of relationship
1:55:10directly or indirectly with a foreign
1:55:12intelligence agency or service? And I
1:55:16asked because we've received a lot of
1:55:18interest and and communication about
1:55:19that topic. And so I want to give you a
1:55:21chance to to answer that again if
1:55:23there's any question. No, I wasn't. And
1:55:24I I understood why and when you showed
1:55:28me the passport, but I I wasn't I didn't
1:55:32know anything about that.
1:55:34>> Thank you. And then second, of course,
1:55:36um this deposition also sets uh a pretty
1:55:39new precedent, I think, which is
1:55:40something that we've been discussed and
1:55:42folks in um across the country are
1:55:44discussing as well. We're thankful that
1:55:46you're here. We believe on in the
1:55:48minority that President Trump should
1:55:50also answer this committee's questions.
1:55:53uh he's someone that is uh mentioned
1:55:55almost more than any other person beside
1:55:57Galain Maxwell uh in the Epstein
1:55:59documents. Uh and so we to get more
1:56:02information for this investigation was
1:56:04wondering if you also agree that that
1:56:07President Trump should answer questions
1:56:08of this committee.
1:56:12>> That's for you to decide. But he did
1:56:14know him well and
1:56:16I once had a brief discussion with him
1:56:18about it.
1:56:19>> Thank you. Thanks for the answer. With
1:56:21that, I'm going to go to Mr. walk and
1:56:22shop and we'll go down a series of
1:56:24questions.
1:56:28I I I hate this but because I don't
1:56:30believe I should inject anything but I
1:56:33do not want to leave the impression
1:56:37but since there was no follow-up
1:56:39question
1:56:41he never the president never this is
1:56:4420ome years ago never said anything to
1:56:47me to make me think he was involved in
1:56:50anything improper with regard to to
1:56:54Epstein either he he just didn't. He
1:56:56just said we were friends
1:56:59and then we had a falling out over a
1:57:01land deal, property deal.
1:57:05>> That's all.
1:57:06>> Thank you.
1:57:07>> Could I ask very briefly, Mr. President,
1:57:09if you recall, what were the
1:57:10circumstances of that conversation? Or
1:57:12at least let's start with when did the
1:57:14conversation occur? We were It was on
1:57:18his golf course
1:57:20and
1:57:22there were a couple of years there when
1:57:25Joe Tory who had been the manager of the
1:57:27Yankees
1:57:29and was a friend and had a tournament, a
1:57:33charity of the golf tournament called
1:57:35appropriately for this investigation the
1:57:38Safe at Home Foundation
1:57:41and it was designed
1:57:45to combat domestic violence
1:57:49of which Joe Tory had been a victim as a
1:57:51child.
1:57:54And so
1:57:56I wanted to support it. And so he then
1:58:00Donald Trump gave him the golf course in
1:58:02New York to have a tournament on and I
1:58:05played in it a couple times. And
1:58:08the day I was there, he would typically
1:58:13uh Donald Trump would come out and play
1:58:16a few holes with us.
1:58:18And he somehow knew I had flown in
1:58:22Jeffrey Epstein's aircraft. And he said,
1:58:24"You know, we had some great times
1:58:26together over the years, but we fell out
1:58:31all because of a real estate deal."
1:58:34and he said, "I'm sorry it happened.
1:58:36That's all."
1:58:38>> Do you recall whether President Trump
1:58:40was the first one to affirmatively bring
1:58:42up the subject of Jeffrey Epstein?
1:58:46>> No, but I'd be shocked if I did. I I
1:58:49just don't do that, you know.
1:58:52>> Do you recall whether President Trump
1:58:53elaborated at all on the great times
1:58:56that he had with Jeffrey Epstein?
1:58:58>> No. And I took at the time I took no
1:59:02I didn't put any,
1:59:06you know, sexual stin on it.
1:59:09>> And as far as you recall, President
1:59:10Trump characterized the nature of the
1:59:12ending of their friendship as being
1:59:15solely due to the real estate.
1:59:17>> That's what he said.
1:59:20>> Thank you.
1:59:21>> But I didn't think much about it at the
1:59:23time. And you know, it was we it was two
1:59:26minutes and then we were gone.
1:59:28As far as you recall, have you had any
1:59:30other conversations with President Trump
1:59:33related to Jeffrey Epstein or Galain
1:59:35Maxwell?
1:59:36>> No.
1:59:37>> And your best recollection, if you have
1:59:39one, of the year that this conversation
1:59:42occurred,
1:59:43>> be 2002 or 2003.
1:59:46>> Thank you.
1:59:49>> Thank you, Mr. President. Good
1:59:50afternoon. Um, I just want to focus
1:59:53again on Colleen Maxwell. Uh, first I'll
1:59:57ask you just to reiterate, did you ever
1:59:59at any point during your interactions
2:00:01with Miss Maxwell know about the sexual
2:00:03abuse she committed and facilitated
2:00:06against minors and women?
2:00:08>> No.
2:00:08>> When did you learn that she had engaged
2:00:10in crimes against girls and young women?
2:00:13>> When the first uh
2:00:16evidence came out, when was it in 2019?
2:00:19>> Okay. And have you ever engaged in
2:00:21sexual activity with a person introduced
2:00:23to you by going
2:00:24>> Max? You're aware that she was convicted
2:00:27of crimes as we discussed and you're
2:00:30aware that she's currently incarcerated
2:00:32as a result of her federal conviction.
2:00:34>> Yes.
2:00:36>> Maxwell received a 20-year sentence for
2:00:38her crimes. Are you aware that she has
2:00:41repeatedly called on President Trump to
2:00:44grant her clemency and that she has said
2:00:47that you and President Trump are not
2:00:49guilty of any wrongdoing with respect to
2:00:51Epstein?
2:00:52>> I know that now. Yes. In in your
2:00:54opinion, does she deserve or should she
2:00:56be granted clemency by President Trump?
2:01:00>> I don't think I should comment on that.
2:01:02I I
2:01:04I don't know anything about
2:01:08President Trump other than what I've
2:01:10already told.
2:01:11And
2:01:14I thought
2:01:17that was a mistake to pardon everybody
2:01:19in the January 6 case. And
2:01:23I I think that
2:01:28this thing was really hard for me when
2:01:30it came out because I you know we had
2:01:32been friendly with Glenn.
2:01:35>> I was sad but it had it was terrible
2:01:40what she did and she has to be punished.
2:01:43Somebody besides me should make a
2:01:46decision on what I did. So she got 20
2:01:48years and
2:01:50there it is. Okay, Mr. President, on
2:01:54July 24th, 2025, the deputy attorney
2:01:57general and President Trump's former
2:01:59personal attorney, Todd Blanch,
2:02:01conducted a closed-d dooror interview of
2:02:02Miss Maxwell at her then low security
2:02:05prison on August 1st, 2025. Just a few
2:02:09days after that interview, she was
2:02:11transferred to a lower security p prison
2:02:14where she's afforded a list of
2:02:16amenities, personalized meals, playtime
2:02:19with puppies,
2:02:21uh a transfer that I think most
2:02:23Americans agree is inconsistent with the
2:02:25very serious crime she was convicted of.
2:02:28Do you have any opinion on her transfer
2:02:30to that lower security prison and the
2:02:33amenities she's been granted? Did it
2:02:35seem strange to you when you learned of
2:02:36that?
2:02:39I think you're in a better position to
2:02:40find out what happened than I am.
2:02:42>> Okay. When you were president of the
2:02:44United States, was it common for your
2:02:47deputy attorney general to directly
2:02:50conduct interviews of witnesses andor
2:02:53federal inmates?
2:02:57>> Was it you were the
2:02:59>> You have to testify what you know. You
2:03:01recall.
2:03:02>> Yes. He's asking, "Did you ever send a
2:03:04deputy attorney general to
2:03:06>> the best of my knowledge? I did not do
2:03:08that.
2:03:08>> All right. Thank you, Mr. President.
2:03:20>> May I ask a question?
2:03:23Representative Foster, are you still the
2:03:25youngest person in Congress?
2:03:27>> Yes, I am, Mr. President.
2:03:29>> Lucky you.
2:03:30>> Hopefully that changes soon.
2:03:32If you're the youngest for too long,
2:03:33it's not good.
2:03:34>> It'll come time. Believe me, I was for
2:03:37most of my life the youngest person
2:03:39doing whatever I was doing. And one day
2:03:41I woke up, I was the oldest man in every
2:03:43room. And I couldn't tell you for the
2:03:45life of me how I got from one place to
2:03:47the other. Time will take care of it.
2:03:49Enjoy it while it last.
2:03:50>> Thank you. Thank you. It's a It's a
2:03:52blessing to be the oldest person in the
2:03:53room as well. Um, Mr. President, I just
2:03:56wanted to circle back to uh the
2:03:58conversation around the uh the
2:04:01conversation you had with Jeffrey Epste
2:04:02on the golf or with uh uh sorry, Donald
2:04:05Trump on the golf course in New York.
2:04:08>> You know, Donald Trump, President Trump
2:04:09has said publicly multiple times that
2:04:11his falling out with Jeffrey Epstein was
2:04:13the result of him hiring away workers
2:04:15from Mara Lago and uh his crimes. He
2:04:18said that's why he kicked them out of
2:04:19Marilaago. Um you brought up I have two
2:04:22questions about this. Did President
2:04:24Trump specifically characterize
2:04:27uh the result of this land dispute they
2:04:31had as a falling out specifically to the
2:04:34best?
2:04:34>> Yeah. He said they both wanted a same
2:04:36piece of land.
2:04:37>> Mhm.
2:04:38>> He didn't say what it was and that's all
2:04:40I remember.
2:04:41>> And he said it was a falling out as a
2:04:43result of that.
2:04:44>> Yeah. Said it strained their
2:04:45relationship.
2:04:46>> Do you know when this conversation
2:04:48happened?
2:04:49>> When the conversation I had with him
2:04:51happened? Hm.
2:04:52>> Well, I had to be in 2002 or 2003, I
2:04:55think.
2:04:56>> 2002 to 2003. All right. Thank you. Um,
2:04:59during any of your interactions with
2:05:00Jeffrey Epste or Gillian Maxwell, did
2:05:02either of them ever mention or discuss
2:05:05um their relationships or connections
2:05:07with Howard Lutnik?
2:05:10>> No.
2:05:11>> What about uh their relationship or
2:05:13connection with Alex Aosta?
2:05:16>> No.
2:05:17Prior to Jeffrey Epstein's arrest in
2:05:192019, did anyone ever speak with you
2:05:22about Epstein's relationship with Howard
2:05:24Lutnik?
2:05:26>> No.
2:05:26>> And what about Alex Aosta?
2:05:29>> Thank you. Those are my questions.
2:05:40>> Good morning, Mr. President.
2:05:41>> Good morning.
2:05:42>> I'm Melanie Stansbury. represent New
2:05:44Mexico's first congressional district
2:05:46and it's an honor to have you and your
2:05:49council here. Um, this is a very
2:05:52important investigation and we obviously
2:05:54have a lot of questions and for me
2:05:57personally, this case is all about
2:05:59justice for the victims. And I really
2:06:02appreciated in your opening statements
2:06:04your statement about nobody being above
2:06:06the law, including a president. And I
2:06:09think it's important that we are setting
2:06:11the precedent for Congress, establishing
2:06:13oversight and subpoena power over a
2:06:15president. And I believe Donald Trump
2:06:17should and will ultimately be in front
2:06:18of this body. And I also appreciate what
2:06:21you said about women and girls who were
2:06:24abused by Jeffrey Epstein deserving
2:06:26justice and healing. And that's where
2:06:27I'd like to focus my questions. And in
2:06:30particular, I want to focus on three
2:06:32survivors who have shared stories that
2:06:35involve you. So I want to begin with
2:06:37Maria Farmer. Do you know who Maria
2:06:39Farmer is? Maria Farmer was employed by
2:06:42Jeffrey Epstein and abused by him for a
2:06:44number of years. and she first reported
2:06:47her abuse to the New York uh PD and FBI
2:06:50in 1996.
2:06:53And she states that she has personal
2:06:56knowledge that you visited Jeffrey
2:06:58Epstein's house three to four times
2:07:00while you were the sitting president
2:07:02between 1995 and 1996.
2:07:06And she says she knows this based on
2:07:07photographs that Golain Maxwell showed
2:07:09to her as well as uh discussions with
2:07:12this staff. So let me ask you, Mr.
2:07:15President, did you visit Jeffrey
2:07:17Epstein's house while you were
2:07:18president?
2:07:20>> I do not remember doing that. I do not
2:07:22believe I did.
2:07:24>> How do you explain this discrepancy?
2:07:27>> Objection calls for him to speculate.
2:07:29>> I can't I can't speculate. I
2:07:33But all I can tell you is I don't
2:07:35remember being there.
2:07:36>> Okay. U moving on to Virginia Roberts
2:07:40Juy. Are you familiar with her? Mhm.
2:07:42>> Uh, as has already been established, she
2:07:46has stated in numerous sworn statements,
2:07:48including a sworn deposition in the
2:07:51deposition in the Maxwell trial, that
2:07:54she saw you on the island with Jeffrey
2:07:57Epstein. And in fact, this morning, her
2:08:00family shared her diary with me. And in
2:08:03it is a a quote wherein she writes quote
2:08:08Bill Clinton met two times island with
2:08:11two girls CTG M and J E. What is your
2:08:16reaction to that?
2:08:17>> It's not true.
2:08:19>> Uh
2:08:20>> do you have any dates associated with
2:08:21that? Were there dates on the diary with
2:08:23>> I don't have I don't have the that
2:08:25information, but we'll be happy to share
2:08:26it with you.
2:08:27>> Terrific because I think there are also
2:08:29records that would reflect where else he
2:08:31would have been. So thanks
2:08:34Did she say that in her book?
2:08:36>> This is from her personal diary that her
2:08:38family shared with us. Yes,
2:08:40>> but the book came out more recently. Did
2:08:42she say that in the book?
2:08:44>> I can't I'm just reading you the entry
2:08:46from her diary that her family shared
2:08:48with me.
2:08:51>> I think she ultimately reached a
2:08:52different conclusion, although I have no
2:08:54contact for it.
2:08:55>> Okay. Well, um I just want to make sure
2:08:57that it's on the record that that is
2:09:00Virginia Dupre's statement. Um, did you
2:09:03ever fly in a helicopter with Maxine?
2:09:06Uh, with uh
2:09:08>> Galain
2:09:08>> Galain Maxwell
2:09:11>> ever anywhere?
2:09:13I have no idea.
2:09:14>> Okay. Well, uh, at least one of the
2:09:17survivors uh, claims that you flew in a
2:09:20helicopter with Gla Maxwell to the
2:09:22island.
2:09:23>> Did you ever?
2:09:24>> Then I did not do that. I've never been
2:09:26to that island.
2:09:27>> Okay. Um, the third person I want to
2:09:29talk about briefly is Shante Davies. I
2:09:32know we've already u mentioned her here
2:09:34today. I know you've already mentioned
2:09:36that she was listed as a flight
2:09:40attendant on the um trip to South Africa
2:09:44in 2002 that you took with Jeffrey
2:09:46Epstein.
2:09:48Are you aware that Shantae Davies is a
2:09:51survivor who claims she was abused for
2:09:53three years, including during that time
2:09:55period? I am now.
2:09:58>> And are you aware that Jeffrey Epstein
2:10:01recruited his victims through calling
2:10:05them massuses?
2:10:08>> No.
2:10:09>> You're not aware that Jeffrey
2:10:11>> It doesn't surprise me. I mean, I didn't
2:10:12but I didn't know that. No.
2:10:16Knowing that Jeffrey Epstein recruited
2:10:18hundreds of minors as masseuses to
2:10:21massage him and knowing that this victim
2:10:24who was a survivor 3 years of his sexual
2:10:27abuse as a masseuse was on the plane.
2:10:30Does that make you think about the
2:10:32massage you receive from her
2:10:33differently?
2:10:34>> Can I just interrupt? You're saying
2:10:36knowing you know that he was saying that
2:10:38he was unaware that that's how Mr.
2:10:40Epstein was recruiting his individuals.
2:10:42I'm asking if today hearing this.
2:10:45>> Have you seen the picture?
2:10:47>> I have a copy of it right here. Yes.
2:10:49>> Well, I'm setting up the
2:10:52>> I'm just asking if it make if you if now
2:10:54that you know that that Jeffrey Epstein
2:10:57recruited girls as masseuses, does that
2:11:00reframe that photograph and knowing that
2:11:03there were girls on the plane that were
2:11:04being abused?
2:11:07>> It states facts not in the record. You
2:11:10can ask this witness what he thinks or
2:11:12remembers about anything that happened,
2:11:15but I don't think it's right to ask him
2:11:16to speculate.
2:11:17>> She wants to know if I feel bad about
2:11:19it. Yes.
2:11:21>> I'm not I think what I'm trying to get
2:11:24at is that there is a culture that
2:11:28surrounded Jeffrey Epstein in which rich
2:11:30and powerful people saw young women that
2:11:33were survivors who were being abused and
2:11:36didn't say anything and didn't do
2:11:37anything. And so part of what I'm hold
2:11:40on part of what I'm trying to do is to
2:11:42to ask you we know there was a survivor
2:11:44that was on the plane. You've stated
2:11:46that you didn't know she was a survivor.
2:11:48I understand that. But I'm asking now
2:11:51that we are now that you are aware that
2:11:54Epstein was recruiting survivors as
2:11:56massuses. Does this make you rethink
2:11:59what you saw as you were traveling and
2:12:02uh interacting with him?
2:12:04>> So he has already spoken to Wait a
2:12:06minute. Wait a I want to make sure that
2:12:07you are clearly answering her question.
2:12:10He's already stated what he saw and what
2:12:13he knew. And so what you're now asking
2:12:15him is given what you've now shared with
2:12:17him, does he think any differently about
2:12:19what he saw and what he knew? Thank you.
2:12:21>> Yes. Thank you.
2:12:22>> I wish Shante had told me. I liked her.
2:12:26>> But I didn't think it was anything
2:12:27unusual. I can't tell you how many
2:12:29airplanes I've been on
2:12:32where rich people asked me to go and
2:12:34they had someone offering massage.
2:12:37All these boats that you go on and all
2:12:39that, they all do that.
2:12:41And usually I don't do that. I'm not
2:12:44into this.
2:12:46>> Well, that certainly raises some other
2:12:48questions about people offering free
2:12:50massages on boats, etc. But, uh, I do
2:12:52want to enter a couple of exhibits into
2:12:54the record. Um, and I know council is
2:12:57prepared to pass them out. And while
2:12:59that is occurring, uh, we're going to
2:13:03introduce this exhibit.
2:13:06What is it? Exhibit I. It'll be minority
2:13:09exhibit I, which is a FBI PowerPoint
2:13:12that was included in the um in the files
2:13:18that were released as part of the
2:13:19Epstein Files Transparency Act. And then
2:13:22we will I would like to introduce this
2:13:24exhibit which is exhibit J which is uh a
2:13:30internal correspondence emails between
2:13:33the FBI and though I'm short on time
2:13:36what I'll describe in both these
2:13:37exhibits is that your name appears in
2:13:39FBI tip sheets um as having attended
2:13:43parties in Jeffrey Epstein's presence in
2:13:46which sexual activities were occurring.
2:13:49Did you ever attend a party of any kind
2:13:52or an event with Jeffrey Epstein in
2:13:54which sexual activities occurred?
2:13:56>> Okay. And then finally, there will be
2:13:59many millions of people that watch this
2:14:01deposition. What would you like to say
2:14:03to the survivors directly?
2:14:06>> That I hope this will produce
2:14:09a sense of finality
2:14:12and I don't think that'll happen till
2:14:14the government stops holding on to all
2:14:16the records.
2:14:18I think that, you know, the record
2:14:20should be released
2:14:23and then I think that we need to come up
2:14:25with strategies to help people who
2:14:28can't get over this get better. But and
2:14:32the most important thing we do, I think
2:14:35besides treat the victims right, is
2:14:38increase the guard rails that will set
2:14:41off alarm systems and stop other people
2:14:43from doing the same thing that Steve
2:14:45did.
2:14:46Thank you very much, Mr. President.
2:14:48Thank you.
2:14:50>> We had an additional member uh join us
2:14:53in the interim. Could that member just
2:14:55identify themselves?
2:14:56>> Absolutely. Hello, Mr. President. My
2:14:58name is Nick Lang. I represent New
2:15:00York's 23rd Congressional District,
2:15:02Buffalo Suburbs, rural southern tier.
2:15:05Thank you for being here today.
2:15:07>> Could just for the record with time
2:15:08check.
2:15:09>> We've got about five minutes left in
2:15:11this round.
2:15:11>> Thank you so much.
2:15:14>> Congressman, how are you? Thank you, Mr.
2:15:16President. Thank you for being here and
2:15:17for your time today. Thank you for your
2:15:19service. Uh we have um as you know in
2:15:22the files that were released, there were
2:15:23several photos included you and u we
2:15:26have an exhibit here. That's just one of
2:15:28the photos and um
2:15:30>> exhibit K, minority exhibit K.
2:15:32>> Yep.
2:15:33>> And uh and we'll we'll have that passed
2:15:35around. And what we're trying to get out
2:15:38is some context for the public on
2:15:40whether you remember this photo uh and
2:15:43any details you may be able to provide
2:15:44us about it.
2:15:48So, do you recall the details of this
2:15:49photo or recall the photo being taken?
2:15:52>> No, I don't think I ever knew the photo
2:15:54was taken.
2:15:55>> Okay. And and um for those who can't see
2:15:57it, it's a photo of you in a hot tub.
2:15:59There's a person next to you here. Um do
2:16:02you remember where it was taken? Is it
2:16:05where was it taken?
2:16:07>> I'm almost sure that this t and I think
2:16:09there's an adjacent photograph which you
2:16:11probably have
2:16:13that if people saw it they would feel
2:16:15that someone was trying to calm them
2:16:16show them this picture. But anyway, this
2:16:20picture was taken
2:16:24uh in Brunai
2:16:28and
2:16:31we flew one night
2:16:37on a trip to Asia, the last very long
2:16:40leg.
2:16:41>> He said we is it who who is that
2:16:42including?
2:16:43>> Well, my toll team that was working
2:16:45>> Thank you. on the AIDS issue and
2:16:48and Mr. Epstein was there and
2:16:52Miss Maxwell. But anyway, we got to the
2:16:55end of
2:16:56the end of the flight was Bunai. It's a
2:16:59tiny place, but a very wealthy one. And
2:17:02the Sultan of Bunai
2:17:04was a man that I had gotten to know well
2:17:07in my eight years as president.
2:17:10And he his first involvement with
2:17:14international
2:17:15matters was basically to join the
2:17:19Asian-Pacific Economic Leaders
2:17:21Conference which I started and which he
2:17:24attended and so and then
2:17:27he was very proud of that and he hosted
2:17:30his time came to host it. You know you
2:17:31do these things in a rotation and it
2:17:34came at the either at the very end of my
2:17:38term or maybe in the next year. Anyway,
2:17:41he wanted when he knew I was coming and
2:17:43he said he wanted to help me with the my
2:17:46AIDS initiative and he invited me to
2:17:49stay there and he said, "I want you to
2:17:51stay at this hotel and I hope you'll use
2:17:54the the pool."
2:17:58So, I did and then I got out and went to
2:18:02bed exhausted.
2:18:04>> Just for the record, there's another
2:18:05picture that also shows this as part of
2:18:08the larger pool area. Do you all have
2:18:09that? so that he can refresh his
2:18:11recollection with respect to that.
2:18:13>> You should have it. It's it's quite
2:18:15enlightening if you watch this.
2:18:18>> Yes, it's noted.
2:18:19>> It'll give you a different feel.
2:18:20>> Thank you.
2:18:21>> Okay.
2:18:22>> We do have We don't have with us right
2:18:23now.
2:18:23>> Okay. We do.
2:18:24>> Thanks. I just wanted to make sure he
2:18:25knew the
2:18:26>> So, I just Were there other people in
2:18:27that pool or hot tub with you as well?
2:18:30>> I don't think there was anybody in the
2:18:31hot tub. I don't even I had forgotten
2:18:34that there was anybody in the hot tub,
2:18:36but it was big, but it was about
2:18:39Well, there's he's asking in the pool
2:18:41area. It
2:18:41>> appears there's a this photo there's a
2:18:43girl over here. Is there someone?
2:18:44>> Yeah, I don't know who that is.
2:18:46>> He's also asking in the pool area. Were
2:18:47there other individuals?
2:18:48>> I don't know who that is.
2:18:50>> Okay. So, you don't know.
2:18:51>> No. And then then there were other
2:18:53people in the pool.
2:18:54>> Okay. So, do you remember who were they
2:18:57under 18? Would you?
2:18:59>> No.
2:18:59>> Were they part of your traveling party?
2:19:01He's asking you.
2:19:06>> Yes, they were. I think I think
2:19:08everybody there was part of our party.
2:19:10It was late at night and I a late
2:19:14I also believe that there was a secret
2:19:16service agent there at the other end of
2:19:17the pool.
2:19:18>> Okay. And was this in public?
2:19:22No, it was a hotel room and it the
2:19:25Sultan wanted us to stay there and the
2:19:27whole the water this big pool was on the
2:19:30same floor
2:19:32that there were several suites and I so
2:19:36we went out. I swam around. I sat in the
2:19:39hot tub for five minutes or whatever it
2:19:42was and I got up and went to bed.
2:19:44>> And then I have to ask this, did you
2:19:45engage in any sexual activities with
2:19:47this person?
2:19:48>> Thank you.
2:19:50And that ends this round and we can go
2:19:51off the record.
2:20:02>> All right, we'll go back on the record.
2:20:11>> Thank you for that. I appreciate it.
2:20:12>> Yep.
2:20:17>> Ready to go?
2:20:18>> Yep. We'll start with
2:20:19>> Wonderful. Hello, Mr. President. How are
2:20:20you?
2:20:21>> Good. Thank you so much for being here
2:20:23with us
2:20:23>> for being horse.
2:20:24>> Oh, you're you're fine, Mr. President.
2:20:26Um, Mr. President, um, I want to make my
2:20:29questions as quick and as painless as
2:20:31possible so we can move on with the day
2:20:32and and hopefully not keep you here for
2:20:34too long. Um, first question I have for
2:20:36you, Mr. President. Uh, have you ever
2:20:38lied under in a deposition?
2:20:40>> No.
2:20:41>> Have you ever lied while under oath?
2:20:43>> No.
2:20:45>> Thank you.
2:20:47Were you uh personally aware that
2:20:49Jeffrey Epstein visited the White House
2:20:5217 times during your presidency?
2:20:56>> At the time it happened?
2:20:58>> Yes.
2:20:59>> No. At the time it happened, I was not.
2:21:02>> Do you know? Uh so Jeffrey Epste never
2:21:04asked to meet with you personally in the
2:21:06White House while you were president
2:21:08during those 17 visits?
2:21:10>> Not to my knowledge.
2:21:11>> Uh would you know who he was meeting
2:21:13with?
2:21:15>> No. Okay. Well,
2:21:16>> didn't know he was coming.
2:21:18>> Uh, is is that standard protocol for the
2:21:21president to not know um of someone who
2:21:23is attending uh uh visiting the White
2:21:26House 17 times?
2:21:28>> So, wait, excuse me. Just to be clear,
2:21:30while you were president,
2:21:30>> the White House office, which has 1,600
2:21:33employees. You're speaking of the White
2:21:34House office.
2:21:35>> Yes.
2:21:36>> Okay.
2:21:36>> No, I I think that most presidents don't
2:21:40have a clue who's coming in every day
2:21:42unless it's somebody of personal
2:21:43interest to the president. Uh, yes. And
2:21:46and you did have a um familiar
2:21:48relationship with Jeffrey Epste,
2:21:50correct?
2:21:50>> No, I didn't. I hadn't I wasn't aware
2:21:53I'd ever met him when he was when I was
2:21:55president.
2:21:56>> When you while you were president? Uh,
2:21:57we are trying to establish if Jeffrey
2:21:59Epstein was a foreign or potentially
2:22:02even a domestic asset of some kind. Um,
2:22:06do you have any reason to believe that
2:22:07he was trying to uh seek access to
2:22:10classified materials, intelligence
2:22:12reports, or sensitive government
2:22:14information?
2:22:16>> No, I I knew nothing about this story
2:22:18until it came up. I was glad to see that
2:22:20picture of the
2:22:21>> Yes. And Mr. President, sorry to
2:22:23interrupt you, Mr. President. Um, since
2:22:26knowing Jeffrey Epstein and knowing that
2:22:28he had visited the White House, um, was
2:22:31were there any conversations from your
2:22:33associates, any White House staff or
2:22:35anyone familiar with the meetings that
2:22:37said he was seeking uh, detailed
2:22:40information about government
2:22:41relationships?
2:22:42>> Does that question relate to back in the
2:22:44day or now? When what's the time of the
2:22:46question? I'm asking since you have been
2:22:48aware any time since after you are aware
2:22:50that Jeffrey Epstein visited the White
2:22:52House 17 times, has there been any
2:22:54conversations with anyone that you are
2:22:57aware of that um Jeffrey Epstein was
2:23:01seeking sensitive government
2:23:03information?
2:23:03>> It hasn't to the best of your
2:23:04recollection.
2:23:05>> To the best of my knowledge, no.
2:23:06>> Yes, sir. Um thank you. And um moving
2:23:10on. Um, at any time while you were
2:23:11traveling on any aircraft owned, leased,
2:23:14or otherwise affiliated with Jeffrey
2:23:17Epstein, did you engage in sexual
2:23:20relations or sexual activities with
2:23:24anyone other than your wife?
2:23:27>> No.
2:23:29>> During any such flight, did you witness
2:23:32or have knowledge of any other
2:23:33individual engaging in sexual activities
2:23:36with any female passengers?
2:23:38>> No.
2:23:40In 2002, you participated in a 10-day
2:23:43multi-country trip to Africa while
2:23:45traveling on a Boeing 727 owned by Mr.
2:23:48Jeffrey Epstein. This trip was organized
2:23:50by Delane Maxwell. Do you recall this
2:23:52trip, Mr. President?
2:23:56>> I recall the trip, but I don't know that
2:23:58it was organized by Delane Maxwell.
2:24:00>> Yes, sir.
2:24:01>> I believe we were going places
2:24:03that I needed to go for my work in
2:24:06Africa.
2:24:07>> Yes, sir. Uh internal FBI records
2:24:10described the aircraft as having a
2:24:12section with couches adjacent to which
2:24:15uh a sliding glass door leading to
2:24:17another compartment. Uh there was a bed.
2:24:20Are you familiar with the layout of this
2:24:22aircraft that you traveled on?
2:24:25>> I'm familiar with the fact that there
2:24:27was a bench that turned into a bed at
2:24:29the end of the passenger seats
2:24:32>> and um and no other bed you are familiar
2:24:35with. Did you did you ever um go into
2:24:39any part of the aircraft with a bed that
2:24:41you perhaps lied on or utilized?
2:24:46>> I'm familiar with the with the bench.
2:24:49>> Yes.
2:24:50>> It turned into the bed.
2:24:51>> Yes.
2:24:51>> I do not believe I ever went into the
2:24:53back section. Um and uh at any time
2:24:57while traveling on um such aircraft, do
2:25:00you um remember utilizing either the
2:25:04bench um that laid I'll I'll keep it as
2:25:07one option for now. Do you remember
2:25:09utilizing the bench the bench as a bed?
2:25:15Was it laid out as a bed?
2:25:16>> You remember?
2:25:17>> I don't remember, but that doesn't mean
2:25:19I didn't. I'm familiar with the note.
2:25:22>> Yes, sir. Uh FBI internal rec records
2:25:24relay testimony from Dr. Greg Bledsoe
2:25:27who participated on the 2002 Africa
2:25:30trip. Did Dr. Bledsoe describe multiple
2:25:33millionaires? Um Dr. Bledsoe does
2:25:35describe multiple millionaires and
2:25:37billionaires on the plane. Uh do you
2:25:40remember any of the names of those
2:25:41individuals? Um potentially even um the
2:25:44actor Kevin Spacy.
2:25:47>> Yeah, Kevin was on the plane.
2:25:50>> Did Dr. Bledsoe also describe um he also
2:25:53describes multiple young women were
2:25:55present on the flight and that Maxwell
2:25:58appeared to be in a position over the
2:26:00girls on the plane and was directing the
2:26:04girls. Can you describe the purpose of
2:26:06these women participating in this
2:26:09multi-count form of the question? You
2:26:11have no objection to you asking the
2:26:13president what he saw, observed, heard,
2:26:16but he can't possibly speak to what
2:26:18Maxwell was in her mind. Did you
2:26:21witness, Mr. President, Miss Maxwell uh
2:26:24appearing to be in the position over
2:26:26other girls on the plane and possibly
2:26:29directing the girls?
2:26:33>> Well, I thought
2:26:35that she was Epstein's top aid and that
2:26:38she was basically in charge of what
2:26:41happened.
2:26:42>> What did happen, Mr. President?
2:26:44>> I don't know. I mean, I didn't I've
2:26:46already told you this. I'll tell again.
2:26:48I never saw anybody do anything wrong.
2:26:51I thought they were flight attendants.
2:26:54>> Do flight attendants typically wear tank
2:26:57tops and jeans?
2:27:02>> They don't all wear uniforms on private
2:27:04planes.
2:27:05>> Yes, sir. Um most are dressed probably
2:27:08pretty business class. Um but um moving
2:27:10on,
2:27:11>> his testimony was with respect to
2:27:13private aircraft, people are not wearing
2:27:16uniforms.
2:27:18Correct.
2:27:19>> Um,
2:27:21Dr. Bledsoe described at least one of
2:27:23the girls uh serving as a masseuse. Uh,
2:27:26at any point did you or other male
2:27:29passengers receive a massage from this
2:27:32young woman or any other young women who
2:27:34are described as a masseuse?
2:27:40Well, I've seen one picture that shows
2:27:42that in a airport
2:27:46waiting area,
2:27:51one of the women was rubbing was
2:27:53massaging my neck. That's all I've seen.
2:27:56>> Have you received um more than one
2:27:59massage from these trips uh with Mr.
2:28:04Epstein and the young girls that were
2:28:06present? I don't recall them, but I I
2:28:09the problem I remember from that trip
2:28:12was that my neck had spasmmed and I was
2:28:15in and so they offered to help and I let
2:28:18them help one.
2:28:20>> She asked whether or not you recalled
2:28:21any other massage.
2:28:22>> No, I do not.
2:28:24>> Thank you. Um and Mr. President, u
2:28:28moving on to uh my next question. Um,
2:28:31submitted to the record, um, we have a
2:28:34painting, um, that seems to be of you,
2:28:37Mr. President, found in one of Jeffrey
2:28:39Epstein's residences wearing a, um, I
2:28:44would categorize it as a famous blue
2:28:46dress worn by uh, White House, the White
2:28:49House intern Monica Lewinsky. Um, and I
2:28:53have this image here. This image is
2:28:55being passed around. If we need to go
2:28:56off the record while we do that, we can.
2:28:59I can take a I can take a picture.
2:29:01>> Um, so
2:29:02>> do you have a question?
2:29:03>> It will be marked as majority exhibit
2:29:0515. Proceed.
2:29:07>> Thank you.
2:29:09>> Um, so Mr. Mr. President, um, we are
2:29:11looking at an image of a portrait um
2:29:15that is uh looks to be you, Mr.
2:29:19President, um, in this blue dress. Uh,
2:29:22can you describe this painting? And
2:29:24>> he doesn't need to describe the
2:29:26painting. You just gave him a picture.
2:29:27What's your question? My question is,
2:29:28are you familiar with this painting?
2:29:30Have you ever seen it in person?
2:29:31>> I've never seen it in person.
2:29:33>> Do you know why someone would paint
2:29:35this?
2:29:36>> Are you asking?
2:29:36>> Objection. That's that's calls for
2:29:38speculation. You can ask the artist.
2:29:40>> And if I had known Jeffrey Epstein had
2:29:43this painting would have saved me this
2:29:45whole day.
2:29:46>> Did you ever introduce Epstein to Monica
2:29:49Lewinsky or any other young female White
2:29:52House staffers?
2:29:53>> I did not.
2:29:54Did Epstein ever request introductions
2:29:57to um young female intern staffers of
2:30:00you? Did he request you to introduce
2:30:02them?
2:30:03>> Um and one regarding this um exhibit uh
2:30:06exhibit 15, this portrait to the right
2:30:09of this image. Um there appears to be a
2:30:11plain letterhead document that is framed
2:30:14in a gold frame. Uh do are you familiar
2:30:18with
2:30:18>> So he's testified that he's not seen
2:30:20this picture.
2:30:21>> The the painting we asked. Yes. And now
2:30:23I'm asking about the image next to it.
2:30:24So
2:30:25>> are you asking whether or not he's
2:30:27familiar with what's in this small
2:30:28frame?
2:30:28>> I'm I'm the part that you have covered
2:30:30up. I'm asking if he's familiar with
2:30:33this letter head um letter that was
2:30:36>> head this part of the painting.
2:30:38>> No sir, this is next to the painting and
2:30:40it's framed on the wall in the home of
2:30:42Jeffrey Epstein. Um, I I guess a a
2:30:45better way to ask, other than the
2:30:47birthday note that was passed around
2:30:49here today for Jeffrey Epstein's 50th
2:30:51birthday, Mr. President, did you ever
2:30:53hand write Jeffrey Epstein any other
2:30:56notes?
2:31:00Well, I I wouldn't remember except that
2:31:03I've seen a picture recently
2:31:06of another note where I thank him for
2:31:09getting me away from the crowd on the
2:31:11airplane for a while so I could take a
2:31:13note nap.
2:31:14>> Yes m Okay, Mr. President, I just have
2:31:16two more questions for you and then I
2:31:17will let you go. And again, I'm so
2:31:19grateful for your time here today. Um we
2:31:22also have um another exhibit um from uh
2:31:25the committee and it's page 49
2:31:29I believe and the uh how do you want to
2:31:32classify this one?
2:31:34>> It will be marked as majority exhibit 16
2:31:38>> um in this this is um a portion of
2:31:41Virginia um Juay and um her testimony
2:31:46and in it she is referencing you Mr.
2:31:49president and um says he Mr. Clinton um
2:31:54told me long ago that everyone owes him
2:31:56favors. They are all in each other's
2:31:58pockets. She's asked um I'm sorry, maybe
2:32:01that wasn't you that you was referencing
2:32:03Clinton. Um I'll start over. He told me
2:32:05long ago that everyone owes him favors.
2:32:06I believe that's referring to Mr.
2:32:08Epstein. They're all in each other's
2:32:10pockets.
2:32:10>> Sorry. Could you show What line are you
2:32:11starting at?
2:32:12>> Yes, ma'am. I am starting at um the
2:32:13first line and I do believe I
2:32:15incorrectly said that that she was
2:32:17referencing Mr. Clinton. Um, so to
2:32:20correct that,
2:32:20>> she's not representing
2:32:23President Clinton. She's referencing
2:32:25instead.
2:32:26>> Um, I believe this is Jeffrey Epste that
2:32:28she is referencing here.
2:32:29>> Thank you, Miss Bob.
2:32:29>> Thank you. Um, and then she's asked,
2:32:31would you would you say you asked him
2:32:34why Bill Clinton here was here? Um, and
2:32:38Virginia responds on the island. Uh, wh
2:32:41uh where he was here on the island. Um,
2:32:45and she goes on to say, um,
2:32:49>> excuse me, can you clarify who JS is?
2:32:52>> Can we can we look and see who JS is?
2:32:53>> It says V and then it says JS. So, is
2:32:55this
2:32:55>> I will get I will get you that name,
2:32:58>> but this is a conversation between two
2:33:00people or is this a transcript of a
2:33:01deposition?
2:33:02>> This is a transcript of a deposition.
2:33:04Yes.
2:33:04>> Thank you so much.
2:33:05>> It says telecon at the top. Doesn't
2:33:07appear to be a deposition.
2:33:08>> It says,
2:33:09>> what do we have this as? This is a work
2:33:11document.
2:33:13>> I'm not objecting.
2:33:14>> No, that's fine. And we could go off the
2:33:15record if you want. Um, just to get this
2:33:17>> I don't have this.
2:33:18>> So, this is Go ahead.
2:33:20>> We'll go off the record.
2:33:31>> We can go back on the record.
2:33:33>> Thank you very much. And uh, this is a
2:33:35long dialogue uh, between Mr. Jack
2:33:39Scarola and Virginia Juay. And I will
2:33:42summarize this. Um it is mentioned by uh
2:33:46Virginia um that everyone owes him um
2:33:51presumably Jeff Jeffrey Epstein here
2:33:53favors. Mr. President, were you ever um
2:33:56in the position to owe Jeffrey Epstein a
2:33:59favor?
2:34:01>> I didn't consider that. I thought we had
2:34:03an understanding about the airplanes
2:34:05that he would let me use the airplane
2:34:09to set up my aids programs around the
2:34:12world if I agreed to talk to him for an
2:34:15hour about economics and politics on
2:34:17every long leg.
2:34:19I kept my word and he seemed to honor
2:34:22his.
2:34:23>> Were there any um sensitive government
2:34:25topics ever discussed in those
2:34:27conversations? And also here um did the
2:34:31court reporter get his response? Thank
2:34:32you so much.
2:34:33>> Thank you. Sorry, I'll I'll try not to
2:34:34talk over you wrapping up here. Um
2:34:38Virginia Duprey is also asked in this
2:34:40document. Um
2:34:41>> the same one you handed us.
2:34:42>> Yes, ma'am.
2:34:43>> So we should be looking at it.
2:34:44>> Um this is 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 eight lines
2:34:49down. Um JS is speaking. Were sexual
2:34:52orgies a regular occurrence on the
2:34:54island at Jeffrey's house? Yes. My
2:34:57question, Mr. President, were you ever
2:34:59aware or engaged in any of these sexual
2:35:03orgies?
2:35:04>> Are these on the island where he's
2:35:05testified that he's not on the island?
2:35:07>> I was never on the island.
2:35:09>> Were you ever um on any island in uh in
2:35:13the Virgin Islands
2:35:15>> to travel for a trip with his wife,
2:35:17which is on the public record. I'm
2:35:19sorry.
2:35:19>> Jeffrey?
2:35:20>> No.
2:35:22>> You were never in the Virginia Islands.
2:35:23Virgin Islands with Jeffrey Epste. No.
2:35:26>> Okay. Thank you. Um, Mr. President, uh,
2:35:29there's been new information that has
2:35:30come out regarding, uh, the, uh, autopsy
2:35:34of Mr. Epste. Um, I would just like to
2:35:36ask you personally and directly. Do you
2:35:39believe that Jeffrey Epstein killed
2:35:40himself?
2:35:41>> Are you asking him to speculate on how
2:35:42Mr. Epstein died?
2:35:43>> I I am asking what M the president
2:35:46thinks of.
2:35:46>> So, you're asking his opinion,
2:35:48>> Mr. President, was your was your friend
2:35:50Jeffrey Epste.
2:35:52>> Are you classifying him as a friend who
2:35:53he has testified that he was friendly?
2:35:55>> A friend in a letter. He said he was
2:35:56friendly but not you've asked for his
2:35:58testimony.
2:35:58>> Mr. President, do you believe that
2:35:59Jeffrey Epste was suicidal?
2:36:03>> Do you know?
2:36:04>> Was he ever suicidal?
2:36:05>> Best of your understand.
2:36:06>> I don't know. I only know what the
2:36:07medical finding was.
2:36:10>> I think maybe
2:36:13>> that's it.
2:36:13>> He finally got caught and I don't know.
2:36:17I've I've accepted it in my own mind. I
2:36:20don't know what happened.
2:36:21>> Mr. President, what did you accept? That
2:36:22he killed himself or that he did not?
2:36:24that he did, but I don't know.
2:36:27>> Yes, sir. Thank you.
2:36:28>> Neither do you. We don't. None of us
2:36:29know. We weren't there.
2:36:30>> Mr. President, it's been an honor. Thank
2:36:32you.
2:36:32>> Thank you.
2:36:42>> Mr. President,
2:36:45in the previous hour, you discussed your
2:36:47relationship with Miss Maxwell, and I
2:36:49have a few general follow-up questions,
2:36:53and I may make may make you repeat
2:36:56yourself, but I'll try hard to not ask
2:36:58you questions you've already answered.
2:37:01First, can you characterize your
2:37:03relationship with Miss Maxwell after
2:37:05your presidency?
2:37:11Well, I didn't
2:37:14to the best of my memory, I didn't see
2:37:16her very much until she started I
2:37:18started flying on Mr. Epstein's
2:37:20airplane.
2:37:22>> And for the record, would you at any
2:37:25time ever consider her to be a friend?
2:37:28>> Oh, yes, I would.
2:37:31>> What years would you consider her to be
2:37:33a friend? I don't know what when when
2:37:37she started going with dead weight,
2:37:42I saw her more frequently
2:37:46>> because I saw him more frequently. Then
2:37:48she was around CGI. So I was I if you
2:37:53compare the time I spent with her to the
2:37:55time I spent with Mr. Max, Mr. Epstein,
2:37:59I spent more time and I felt that we
2:38:01were better friends.
2:38:04How did you typically communicate with
2:38:06Miss Maxwell?
2:38:09>> When we were she showed up at something
2:38:12that I was doing or vice vers
2:38:14>> So in person
2:38:16>> at CGI? Yeah.
2:38:19>> I bet I never talked to her on the phone
2:38:21more than twice in my life.
2:38:24>> And what were the nature of your
2:38:27communications with Miss Maxwell?
2:38:29Uh,
2:38:33>> what your call? I
2:38:35>> I don't recall anything. I don't recall
2:38:37what they were, but she was always, you
2:38:40know, I don't know. She was very
2:38:42interested in CGI. I remember that. And
2:38:47that's it.
2:38:49>> And for the record, Mr. President, did
2:38:52you ever have any communications with
2:38:54Miss Maxwell related to young women or
2:38:56girls?
2:38:56>> No.
2:38:57At this time, I'd like to introduce will
2:38:59be marked as majority exhibit 17.
2:39:04And while it's being handed out, I will
2:39:06note for the record that this is the
2:39:08transcript from the two-day Gain Maxwell
2:39:10interview with Deputy Attorney General
2:39:12Todd Blanch conducted by the Department
2:39:15of Justice on July 24th and 25th of
2:39:182025.
2:39:19And I will not be making you read the
2:39:22entire transcript. I will direct your
2:39:24attention when you've had a chance.
2:39:27>> Okay.
2:39:28>> Um, Mr. President, have you seen this
2:39:30transcript
2:39:31>> prior to prior to?
2:39:33>> Yes.
2:39:34>> No.
2:39:35>> I'd like to direct your attention to day
2:39:37one and we are looking specifically at
2:39:40the bottom of page nine.
2:39:42>> Yep.
2:39:44>> No, we we need a copy down here. Do
2:39:47>> we have a second copy and a third copy?
2:39:50Give me one second. Thank you so much
2:39:52for the record briefly.
2:40:02We will go back on the record.
2:40:05>> Yep.
2:40:06>> During Miss Maxwell's interview, she
2:40:08stated that President Clinton was her
2:40:10friend, not Epstein's friend. Is that
2:40:13accurate?
2:40:14>> I would I'd say that it was accurate to
2:40:17say that I felt closer to her than him.
2:40:20>> And for the record, why was that?
2:40:24because I had seen her more and because
2:40:27she was very good friends with Elyn
2:40:30Rothschild and his wife Lyn
2:40:34whom I knew and was in regular touch
2:40:36with
2:40:41>> and
2:40:44>> just want to make sure you're you're
2:40:45reading the right section.
2:40:48She characterized your relationship
2:40:51>> with her as warmer.
2:40:55>> Yes. Would you
2:40:57>> would you agree with that?
2:41:00>> Warmer than with Jeffrey Epstein.
2:41:02>> Correct.
2:41:03>> Oh, yes. But it was not in any way
2:41:06sexual.
2:41:09>> At this time, I'd like to direct your
2:41:10attention to day two of the transcript.
2:41:12And now we are looking at the bottom of
2:41:14page 12. And it is page
2:41:17>> I see it
2:41:18>> 258 and 259.
2:41:22>> Wait, pardon me. Sorry, I'm not with
2:41:24you. Bottom of page 12 says 42 to 45
2:41:29>> of day two.
2:41:30>> Oh, sorry. I apologize.
2:41:32>> Okay. Day two, page 12.
2:41:34>> Mhm. Yes.
2:41:37>> Page 252, 257, 260.
2:41:41>> 258 and 259.
2:41:44>> Okay, got it.
2:41:46Can you hold one second? Can you wait?
2:41:58What do you have?
2:42:07>> 258 259.
2:42:09>> Correct.
2:42:09>> Got it.
2:42:15Are you asking us to read that?
2:42:17>> Yes.
2:42:18>> All of 258 and all of 259.
2:42:21>> Correct.
2:42:42Okay. Is there part of this you want me
2:42:44to read?
2:42:45>> No. He has a question. He wants to make
2:42:47sure you read through here and you read
2:42:49through here.
2:42:50>> Okay.
2:43:27He's asking about these two. You read
2:43:30them.
2:43:32This and this. No, you don't have to
2:43:34read the other part yet.
2:43:45Okay.
2:43:47>> Yes.
2:43:48>> Got it. Mr. President, you've had a
2:43:51chance to review the transcript here.
2:43:53Blanch asks Maxwell if she has ever
2:43:56visited your home in Chapua, to which
2:43:58Maxwell testifies that she had been
2:44:01invited to visit your home. For the
2:44:03record, did Miss Maxwell ever visit your
2:44:05home in Chapua?
2:44:09It wasn't.
2:44:10>> Excuse me, council. The the transcript
2:44:12says, "I went to the house." Does it say
2:44:14invited? Did I miss that?
2:44:16>> Maxwell replies after Blanch asks, "Why
2:44:19did you go to the house?" Maxwell says,
2:44:21"I was invited."
2:44:22>> Got it.
2:44:25>> I will repeat the question again. Did
2:44:27Miss Maxwell ever visit your home in
2:44:29Chapaqua?
2:44:32>> I don't recall, but it's quite possible
2:44:34she did. We had Hillary was a senator.
2:44:38In the beginning, she had a lot of
2:44:40advents there
2:44:42and
2:44:44we knew we knew her. During the same
2:44:47exchange,
2:44:49Miss Maxwell implies that she may have
2:44:52been just driving past Chapqua and
2:44:54stopped in if you were home. Did this
2:44:57ever occur?
2:45:00If you don't,
2:45:02>> not that I remember, but I may not have
2:45:04been home.
2:45:07But Mr. President, is it common for
2:45:09people to just stop by your house?
2:45:12>> No.
2:45:16>> For the record,
2:45:16>> one or two people who would do that.
2:45:18>> So, for the record, you're a former
2:45:20president. Does your security detail
2:45:22allow people to show up unannounced?
2:45:26>> Well, they allow them to, but they
2:45:28don't. Your question is whether or not
2:45:29the security allows them in.
2:45:32>> Yeah. you know, they have to be clear to
2:45:34be able to come and go.
2:45:37>> Thank you.
2:45:38>> Like that.
2:45:41>> Thank you, Mr. President. Um,
2:45:45I want to ask about Doug Band and um
2:45:48>> Okay.
2:45:48>> to to what was Doug Band's relationship
2:45:51with you, sir?
2:45:54Well, it changed over time, but he was
2:45:56basically
2:45:58uh the last in a long line of young men.
2:46:03They were my sort of body people. They
2:46:06were close to me and supposed to get me
2:46:10where I was trying to go on time and all
2:46:12of that. And then after
2:46:16he and another young man, Justin Cooper,
2:46:19wanted to come
2:46:21with me when I left the White House. You
2:46:24know, when you leave the White House,
2:46:25they give you you get
2:46:28I don't know
2:46:30a certain allocation for staff
2:46:33and I think there are nine
2:46:38positions you can put on federal health
2:46:41insurance.
2:46:43I think that's right. But anyway, Doug
2:46:46and Justin were two of them.
2:46:48>> So, say he was pretty close.
2:46:50>> What?
2:46:50>> You were pretty close.
2:46:51>> We were close. And
2:46:54Justin wrote my book with me and he did
2:46:57all the, you know, the clerical work.
2:46:59And
2:47:00>> Doug was the our main fundraiser when we
2:47:03started off.
2:47:05>> Okay. Um, I'd like to introduce majority
2:47:08exhibit, I believe it would be 18.
2:47:12um which is the EFTA 02332287.
2:47:27>> Thank you very much.
2:47:38>> So this is pretty short. Um, this is an
2:47:41email from Doug Band to
2:47:44>> Yep. I'm familiar with it.
2:47:46>> To GMAX, which is commonly known as
2:47:48Glenn Maxwell.
2:47:49>> Yep.
2:47:49>> Um, it says, "For the record, um, the
2:47:52email states you back. Another way to
2:47:54get in touch with me quicker is on my
2:47:55Blackberry, actually the president's,
2:47:57but we share it." Um, the email that's
2:48:01listed there, D WJC, is that your email
2:48:05address or was that your email address?
2:48:09practically
2:48:10no. That is I never sent one email on
2:48:14it.
2:48:15>> But you recognize that.
2:48:16>> I I recognize it and I think Doug
2:48:19thought it would increase his
2:48:21what would have cache if he had an email
2:48:25with WAC on it and
2:48:27>> but he's asking you is this your email
2:48:29Mr. President?
2:48:30>> No, I didn't send I didn't send or
2:48:32emails on it.
2:48:33>> Did you share a Blackberry with Mr.
2:48:35Band?
2:48:37Well, he says we did, but I think I had
2:48:39I finally got another at Blackberry.
2:48:41>> But this was back before. Okay. Sorry,
2:48:42Mr. President. This is back in think of
2:48:44the year. Look at the year. So, you make
2:48:46sure you're answering the question.
2:48:47>> 2001.
2:48:48>> Did you have a phone in 200 Did you have
2:48:51He's asking you, was this your
2:48:52Blackberry or did you share this
2:48:54Blackberry with him?
2:48:56>> Well, I've been out of office then nine
2:48:58months.
2:48:59>> Did you have a phone, Mr. President?
2:49:01>> I don't think I did.
2:49:04I don't. Anyway, I but the truth is I
2:49:07don't remember. I just know
2:49:08>> that's a
2:49:09>> that I did not email.
2:49:11>> Okay. How So you did not email. How
2:49:13often do you did you do you send emails
2:49:16>> or did you send emails?
2:49:17>> Have you ever sent an email, Mr.
2:49:18President?
2:49:18>> I sent one in email to John Glenn,
2:49:21Senator John Glenn, when he was in space
2:49:23at age 77.
2:49:26And I sent an email to the men and women
2:49:31aboard a US ship. in the Adriatic during
2:49:35the
2:49:38>> Kosovo
2:49:38>> Kosovo war.
2:49:39>> Have you sent any other emails, Mr.
2:49:41President? He's asked
2:49:42>> since then. I'm not sure I've sent one.
2:49:44>> Okay. Um, I'd like to introduce majority
2:49:48exhibit number 19.
2:49:49>> Makes me a certified
2:49:51>> which ends in 2335030.
2:49:55>> Yeah.
2:50:12want to go and see.
2:50:18>> Okay, if you're ready, I'll I'll be
2:50:20happy to read it out loud. It's again,
2:50:22it's from GMAX Gain Maxwell. Yeah, I
2:50:25read it. We believe well it's redacted.
2:50:27We having seen the unredacted files. We
2:50:29believe that the the two is is to the
2:50:33same email. It says, "Sorry to hear
2:50:35about the Bellsburg stuff is bad news.
2:50:38Even worse that it may be damaging. You
2:50:41know that one of one of my pet fears is
2:50:44that in London I I impress toxic. So I
2:50:48hope that I never add to your woes in
2:50:51that department. If I hear anything, I
2:50:54will of course let you know. I could not
2:50:57help myself. There was one juicy little
2:51:00bit tidbit
2:51:02I did let out. The one about what a
2:51:06super stud that you are and how I have a
2:51:10crush on you and how you are hung like a
2:51:13horse. And well, you get the picture.
2:51:16Hope you don't mind. Um,
2:51:19are you are you familiar with with this
2:51:22email?
2:51:23>> Are you saying at the time it was sent
2:51:24or in the preparation for this
2:51:27>> in at the time that it was sent? Were
2:51:29you familiar with it?
2:51:29>> Oh, no.
2:51:30>> Are you familiar with it before?
2:51:32>> It's now famous.
2:51:33>> Okay. What can you tell me about your
2:51:35knowledge of this email?
2:51:37>> So, his if his knowledge is only from
2:51:38when he was prepared for this hearing,
2:51:40that would have been with his counsel.
2:51:41Is that what you're are you asking for
2:51:43outside of any preparation for this?
2:51:45>> Mr. President, do you believe that Mr.
2:51:47Mr. Ban sent this or received this
2:51:49email?
2:51:51>> I do.
2:51:52>> Okay. Um, so and I could there's more.
2:51:56Let me let me go to the next one. Um,
2:51:58exhibit
2:52:00which would be number 20.
2:52:07>> And the answer is I
2:52:09>> there's no question at the time. I would
2:52:11just ask you to clarify whether or not
2:52:12you're asking if he knows about these
2:52:14emails at the time they were sent or if
2:52:16you're asking whether or not he came to
2:52:17learn about them in the course of
2:52:18preparation just so that distinction in
2:52:21time is clear.
2:52:22>> Okay.
2:52:37>> Believe this email is also very short.
2:52:40It's just the at the top again. It's
2:52:42from the WJC email. Same one. And two,
2:52:48it says, "This email is silly. I want to
2:52:50spank bottoms tonight."
2:52:52>> Who's it from?
2:52:53>> It it is it's from the the same email
2:52:55account, the same email that has been
2:52:57used before, the WJC email. Um, what was
2:53:02your knowledge of Mr. B's relationship
2:53:04with Gain Maxwell?
2:53:07I knew he was basically he contacted her
2:53:12in the same way that
2:53:14that she represented Epstein on things.
2:53:17I I I did not know nor did I need to
2:53:21know that they had a personal
2:53:24relationship,
2:53:26>> a physical relationship.
2:53:27>> Are you are you asking him whether or
2:53:29not they had a phys physical
2:53:30relationship?
2:53:31>> You believe they had a physical
2:53:32relationship?
2:53:33>> I don't know for sure. And just to be
2:53:36clear, you said it, but you did not have
2:53:38a physical relationship with Glenn
2:53:39Maxwell.
2:53:40>> The president's answered that question
2:53:41multiple times.
2:53:42>> Thank you.
2:53:43>> Okay. And then and finally, I want to
2:53:47move on to
2:53:49another question
2:53:53regarding the visits to the White House.
2:53:57Are you familiar with Mark Middleton?
2:53:59>> Yes.
2:54:00>> Can you describe who Mark Middleton was?
2:54:04He was a young man from Arkansas
2:54:08who was
2:54:10really ambitious, wanted to go to work
2:54:12in Washington, wanted to have, you know,
2:54:15and
2:54:17he knew M. McCclardy, my chief of staff,
2:54:20who was from Little Rock, and Bruce
2:54:22Lindseay, who was also from Little Rock,
2:54:25and he worked with us. And then later I
2:54:28think he became
2:54:32I don't know but maybe he became a
2:54:34lobbyist later but there was a period of
2:54:36time when he was in a position to wave
2:54:40people in to the White House because he
2:54:42was that that was one of his jobs.
2:54:45>> Okay.
2:54:46Um,
2:54:48so he he was has been identified by
2:54:52multiple news sources to be the
2:54:54individual that most of the time was
2:54:56entering or signing in Jeffrey Epstein
2:54:59into the White House.
2:55:00>> Yes.
2:55:01>> And and what role did he have
2:55:02specifically at that time?
2:55:04He was working and you know on
2:55:09logistical things in the White House but
2:55:11there must have been someone else who he
2:55:16told him to let him in. Maybe Mark had
2:55:18the I don't know if he had the authority
2:55:20to let people in.
2:55:20>> You can only testify to what you know.
2:55:22He's asking who did Mark Middleton work
2:55:23for in the White House.
2:55:26>> I don't know the answer to that. Okay, I
2:55:28can find that. But I
2:55:29>> So you So knowing that he met with Mark
2:55:32Middleton or was signed in with Mark
2:55:34Middleton, do you do you have any
2:55:36knowledge of the content of the meetings
2:55:38or the topics of the meetings that Mr.
2:55:40Epstein would be coming for?
2:55:42>> No, I never
2:55:46M never said anything to me about
2:55:48meeting with him.
2:55:50>> And by Mac, do you mean Matt McClardy,
2:55:52the chief of staff? Did he work for M.
2:55:53Mccclardy? Well, he might have been, but
2:55:56at the time, was this at the beginning
2:55:59of my presidency or the end?
2:56:01>> This would have Well, this would have
2:56:03been during the time during the 90s at
2:56:05the beginning when
2:56:06>> 1993 to 1995 is what they provided
2:56:08before time for the visits.
2:56:10>> But he was my first chief of staff and
2:56:13then he became my special envoy to Latin
2:56:16America. So,
2:56:17>> and this is M. McCclardy.
2:56:18>> Matt McCclardy. So,
2:56:22>> okay. It depends on
2:56:25Well, we could tell what he was doing
2:56:28if we knew when this happened.
2:56:31>> Okay. Um, are you aware that Mr.
2:56:33Middleton committed suicide?
2:56:35>> Yes, I am.
2:56:36>> In 2022,
2:56:37>> um, he was found dead at Hefner Ranch,
2:56:42um, approximately 30 miles from his home
2:56:44in Little Rock. He was discovered
2:56:47hanging from a tree by an extension cord
2:56:49around his neck with a self-inflicted
2:56:51gunshot wound to the chest. Uh so he was
2:56:54shot and hung. Um do you
2:56:58um with what do you have any any
2:57:01information that leads you to suspect
2:57:05that he was that he did not that he did
2:57:07something other than commit suicide?
2:57:09>> No.
2:57:12>> Okay. Do you have any concerns that he
2:57:15that this was in relation to his
2:57:17knowledge or relationship with Jeffrey
2:57:18Epstein given the date?
2:57:22>> But the president has already testified
2:57:24to the fact that he was unaware that Mr.
2:57:26Epste was visiting the White House. So
2:57:28are you asking him then as to what he
2:57:29would have known?
2:57:30>> I'm asking when you heard about the
2:57:31death knowing about the things that have
2:57:33been you know at this point it's all
2:57:36over the news seeing that he has
2:57:38committed suicide. Have you ever have
2:57:40you ever had any conversations with
2:57:41people about whether or not this that
2:57:43there's any relationship between the
2:57:45two?
2:57:46>> Oh, no. No one's ever suggested it to
2:57:49me.
2:57:50>> Okay. Thank you. I yield back.
2:57:55>> Next steps, Mr.
2:57:56>> It's really sad.
2:57:57>> Mr. Maguire from Virginia,
2:58:02>> he represents UVA.
2:58:03>> What?
2:58:04>> He represents UVA.
2:58:09UVA
2:58:10>> who represents UVA.
2:58:14>> Thank you, Mr. President, for being
2:58:15here. I served in Navy special warfare
2:58:18during your presidency.
2:58:20>> Thank you.
2:58:21>> In your opening statement, you talked
2:58:22about um preventing future or more human
2:58:26trafficking in our country. And I agree
2:58:28with that. I think that's one of the big
2:58:30purposes of being here. Uh today, we
2:58:32hope we can get justice for the victims,
2:58:35have accountability and transparency.
2:58:39Just curious, have you read the Epstein
2:58:41files that have been released?
2:58:43>> No,
2:58:44I've read the many news stories about
2:58:47them, but I haven't read them all.
2:58:48>> And how many Epstein files do you recall
2:58:50were released during the Biden
2:58:52administration?
2:58:54>> I don't know.
2:58:55>> How many?
2:58:56>> If you know,
2:58:57>> I don't know.
2:58:58>> Zero. And how many Epstein files have
2:59:01been released during President Trump's
2:59:02second term? again if you know
2:59:05>> thanks to the Congress and the victims
2:59:08quite a number
2:59:08>> over three million
2:59:11>> now as a as president you're chief of
2:59:14executive for the US and u as we get to
2:59:17the end of this I'm going to ask you
2:59:18what could we do to prevent because I
2:59:20think that's what we all care about is
2:59:22what do we do to prevent more human
2:59:23trafficking type stuff um so let's talk
2:59:27about Kevin Spacy for a second in a June
2:59:292024 interview with Piers Morgan Kevin
2:59:31Spacy recounted noticing young girls on
2:59:33the flight and expressed he didn't want
2:59:35to be around this guy Epstein because I
2:59:37felt he put the president at risk on
2:59:40that trip to South Africa because there
2:59:41were these young girls. So did Mr. Spacy
2:59:44ever communicate these concerns to you
2:59:47directly?
2:59:48>> Not that I recall. No.
2:59:50>> Did anyone else express similar concerns
2:59:52about these young people?
2:59:54>> No.
2:59:54>> Do you agree with Mr. Spacy's
2:59:56characterization that these young girls
2:59:59on the flight were concerned?
3:00:01>> I'm sorry. What exactly is the
3:00:03characterization that Mr. Spacy gave
3:00:07>> that these young girls would put the
3:00:09president at risk?
3:00:10>> So that's Mr. Spacy's concern and you're
3:00:12asking him whether or not Mr. Spacey
3:00:14said that shared that with him?
3:00:15>> Would he? Yes. Would he agree with that?
3:00:19>> I had no reason to believe that at the
3:00:21time.
3:00:22>> Okay. Um, did you ever feel
3:00:24uncomfortable due to the presence of
3:00:25young girls on any of these flights?
3:00:27>> When you say young girls, do you mean
3:00:29women who are younger than 18?
3:00:32And so you're saying there were women
3:00:34younger than 18?
3:00:34>> I'm asking.
3:00:35>> Yeah, if you can ask that question.
3:00:37>> Were there anybody on the flight said
3:00:38you can recall under age 18?
3:00:42>> To the best of my knowledge, there was
3:00:44not. If there was, and I knew it, I
3:00:46would be uncomfortable.
3:00:47>> That answered. All right. Did you ever
3:00:49speak with or otherwise engage with uh
3:00:52Well, I think you just answered young
3:00:54girls on these flights. So, I'll move
3:00:55on. Uh Ron Burkel, do you know him?
3:00:58>> I do.
3:00:59>> All right. Um, Ron Burkel commented on
3:01:01the Epstein is creepy. I would like to
3:01:04introduce uh majority exhibit
3:01:07which
3:01:09>> 21 majority exhibit 21 page five the
3:01:12paragraph at the top of the page the
3:01:14last sentence. If you would take a look
3:01:16at that.
3:01:22>> Could you say what page again?
3:01:23>> Sure. It's page five. Uh the paragraph
3:01:26at the top the last sentence. If you can
3:01:28give us a minute to read it, that'd be
3:01:29great.
3:02:07No. Page five.
3:02:11>> Top paragraph. This
3:02:12>> paragraph.
3:02:17and more specifically the last sentence
3:02:19of the top paragraph.
3:02:37>> Yeah, I didn't know about this.
3:02:40>> So, um the question would be this. I
3:02:41understand you didn't know anything
3:02:42about it, but let me ask the question.
3:02:44Um, you have no memory of this
3:02:46occurrence. Correct.
3:02:47>> Excuse me. Are you talking about Ron
3:02:49Burkel saying to the president?
3:02:51>> Let me read the whole thing. Let me read
3:02:52the whole thing.
3:02:52>> You didn't actually say. It doesn't say
3:02:53that.
3:02:54>> Sources close to Burkel says he was
3:02:56invited by Clinton um assumed the rod
3:02:59was vetted and flew home on a commercial
3:03:01jet after finding Epste to be creepy. It
3:03:04appears if he saw that and he flew home
3:03:06early. Would that be that is may do you
3:03:08have any memory of this occurring?
3:03:10>> I don't.
3:03:11>> Um, why do you think Mr. Ber would think
3:03:13Epstein is creepy.
3:03:15>> Speculative. He can't know what
3:03:17>> I don't know. Some people thought I
3:03:18shouldn't fly with him.
3:03:20>> Did you witness anything unusual with
3:03:22Epstein that would lead you to believe
3:03:23that Epstein was creepy?
3:03:26>> No, I never saw him do anything that I
3:03:29was suspicious.
3:03:30>> Do you do you and you don't recall Mr.
3:03:33Burville leaving the trip early to fly
3:03:34home commercially after?
3:03:36>> I don't know.
3:03:36>> Yeah,
3:03:38I'm surprised I don't know that.
3:03:41Sure. So, who else in your circle,
3:03:43because one of the concerns I have is
3:03:45how did someone who is convicted of
3:03:47trafficking humans, how did he
3:03:49infiltrate the highest level of
3:03:51government, if we could get to an idea
3:03:52or a lesson learned, we could prevent
3:03:54that from happening again, who in your
3:03:56circle while you were president or after
3:03:59in the Clinton um foundation, who else
3:04:03do you think we should question here?
3:04:04>> Can I just clarify one thing? You said
3:04:06who had been convicted? He wasn't
3:04:07convicted at the time.
3:04:08>> Epstein.
3:04:09>> Yes.
3:04:09>> No, I'm talking afterwards. So, so
3:04:11people that were associated with him
3:04:12because
3:04:12>> after he was convicted,
3:04:13>> the one of the questions would be is why
3:04:16do you think Epstein visited the White
3:04:17House so much?
3:04:19>> So, he was convicted in 200 what eight
3:04:22>> I believe. So, I believe
3:04:23>> he visited the White House in the 90s.
3:04:25So, I'm just trying to make sure you
3:04:26you're not speaking to before he was
3:04:28convicted. You're talking about after he
3:04:30was convicted.
3:04:31>> So, let me go back. So, the thing is he
3:04:33went to the White House many times and
3:04:34he is connected to world leaders all
3:04:36over the place. Many people have
3:04:38resigned as a result of the Epstein
3:04:39files. So I'm just asking a neutral
3:04:42question and that based on your
3:04:44experience as a world leader, what could
3:04:46we do to prevent predators like this
3:04:48from infiltrating the highest levels of
3:04:51the American government?
3:04:52>> Well, when someone knows about it, they
3:04:54can should report it and there should be
3:04:55a system set up to act on it.
3:04:59>> Well, I agree with that.
3:05:03Um, is it true that 2013 Miss Maxwell
3:05:05was a guest at the Clinton Global
3:05:07Initiative Conference?
3:05:11>> I don't know. Is that the When's the
3:05:13last year we had it?
3:05:14>> 2013 is one of the years where they're
3:05:16asking whether or not she was there.
3:05:17>> I know.
3:05:18>> I'm trying to I I
3:05:20>> So, you can just
3:05:21>> off the top of my head, I don't know.
3:05:23>> Well, um, I understand that she also
3:05:25attended your daughter's wedding.
3:05:28>> She did. And so understand now the
3:05:31unspeakable evil that these people
3:05:35committed. Do you believe it was a
3:05:37mistake allowing them close to your
3:05:38family?
3:05:41>> Are you asking if he knew at the time
3:05:43when she was at the wedding?
3:05:44>> Looking back
3:05:44>> I had no looking back I had no idea
3:05:49if I had known what she was doing I
3:05:52would have done the right thing.
3:05:54>> Understand? Well, I think that
3:05:55>> but I also keep in mind
3:06:00I felt bad for Ted White who was a very
3:06:04close friend of mine and
3:06:08I never had any doubt about him and I
3:06:10still don't.
3:06:10>> Roger that. Well, we all I think you
3:06:12would agree that we all want justice for
3:06:13the victims. We all want transparency,
3:06:15accountability. We want to strengthen
3:06:17our antihuman trafficking laws.
3:06:20President Trump has secured the border
3:06:21and gone after the cartels and even
3:06:24passed legislation to help human
3:06:26trafficking victims. What other
3:06:28legislation could we do based on your
3:06:30experience that would help stop
3:06:33trafficking in America, if not the
3:06:35world?
3:06:37>> Well, first you need to
3:06:40ask people who know more about
3:06:43how
3:06:46people get over it. I mean that there's
3:06:50already been a large number of dollars
3:06:54put into settlements, but I think there
3:06:56must be
3:06:59damages
3:07:01to people that will take a lifetime to
3:07:03heal. So I think there needs to be a lot
3:07:06of study on that. And then I think
3:07:13there is the hotlines that where people
3:07:17make reports need to be taken seriously
3:07:19and you need to follow up on them. And
3:07:22and
3:07:24I think that
3:07:27the more we talk about it,
3:07:30the less likely it is that another big
3:07:32network will form.
3:07:34>> Thank you for answering my questions. I
3:07:36think you're doing a good, you know,
3:07:37just having us talk about it. It's
3:07:39important.
3:07:40>> Thank you.
3:07:44>> Next will be Mr. Groman from Wisconsin.
3:07:57>> Can I get a time check?
3:07:58>> You have approximately 15 minutes
3:08:00remaining.
3:08:01>> What?
3:08:01>> Approximately 15 minutes remaining.
3:08:03Okay.
3:08:18Oh, Mr. President, um, is on here.
3:08:22>> Yes, we can hear you.
3:08:24>> Was uh Jeffrey Epstein on You apparently
3:08:26took 26 flights on planes connected to
3:08:29Jeffrey Epstein. Was he on every flight
3:08:31you were on? Was he on every flight I
3:08:35was on?
3:08:38>> That's a good question.
3:08:39>> If you know
3:08:40>> what
3:08:40>> if you know their flight manifest, do
3:08:42you know?
3:08:43>> There'll be a record of it, but I I I
3:08:45think he was or certainly almost.
3:08:47>> You think he was? Well, that that's
3:08:49okay. Uh was uh Maxwell on every flight
3:08:53you were on as far as you remember?
3:08:56>> The same answer. I think she was, but
3:08:58there'll be a record of it.
3:09:00>> Okay. Um when you took these flights,
3:09:03you're saying a lot of them were on
3:09:04behalf of your foundation or your
3:09:05charitable work, correct?
3:09:07>> Yes.
3:09:08>> Uh who did you normally bring on these
3:09:10flights? You know, I said, you know,
3:09:11employees of the foundation, whatever.
3:09:14>> I brought
3:09:17uh people who work with me, especially
3:09:19people who would have to follow up on
3:09:22the fundraising or people who were
3:09:25involved in my age work.
3:09:28I' I've bought uh
3:09:32people who
3:09:33>> just like I never go anywhere alone. You
3:09:35never went anywhere alone.
3:09:37>> What? No.
3:09:38>> And the secret and I had the secret
3:09:40service with me and then on occasion
3:09:47I had people
3:09:51who had volunteered to help us and
3:09:53wanted to see what we were doing. For
3:09:54example, I think it was on one of these
3:09:58trips.
3:09:59I think
3:10:02that I had my first trip for the man
3:10:06who's now the governor of Illinois, JB
3:10:07Pritsker, and his wife. They gave me
3:10:09they helped me get started. It's all a
3:10:11matter of public record.
3:10:12>> Okay. As far as on your normal trips,
3:10:15could you rattle off say the four or
3:10:17five people connected to your foundation
3:10:20who you remember were most frequently on
3:10:23these trips or were most important of
3:10:25the trips?
3:10:27>> Could you could you give us the names?
3:10:29>> Well, Doug Van, Justin Cooper, Aram
3:10:33Magaziner,
3:10:36>> and I can't remember who else. I'd be
3:10:37glad to look.
3:10:38>> Anyway, we'll give you a couple seconds
3:10:39to think. I can't remember who worked
3:10:40for me 10 years ago, so I don't expect
3:10:42you. Did you anybody else you can think
3:10:43of?
3:10:43>> It was 24 years ago. I'll be glad to try
3:10:45to find out what's left.
3:10:47>> Okay. When you were on the plane, where
3:10:49did you where first of what did the
3:10:50plane look like when you got on the
3:10:52plane?
3:10:53>> Could you describe what it looked like?
3:10:55>> It was at first it looked like a
3:10:58commercial airplane.
3:10:59>> You know, seats on both sides of the
3:11:01aisle.
3:11:02>> Yeah.
3:11:03And typically
3:11:06our crew kind of filled it up for a few
3:11:10however many pe depending on how many
3:11:12people we had. We had
3:11:15the staff and the friends of the
3:11:17foundation and people were doing the
3:11:20work. Then we had the
3:11:26>> like a boardroom halfway back. We had
3:11:28and then we had the secret service
3:11:31further back and that was it.
3:11:35>> Okay. Um,
3:11:39how would you spend your time on these
3:11:41flights from you Asia or subs Africa?
3:11:45Those are quite trips. What would you do
3:11:46on these trips?
3:11:48>> We would
3:11:51spend a fair amount of time talking
3:11:53about what we were going to do at the
3:11:54next stop.
3:11:56You know, we worked a lot. Then we
3:12:01read a lot and we slept a lot
3:12:04and we always cut out some time for card
3:12:07games.
3:12:07>> I was going to ask you whether you do
3:12:09cards and you beat me to the punch. What
3:12:10type of cards did you play?
3:12:13>> Oh, hell and hearts.
3:12:15>> Hearts. I always play hearts. That's
3:12:17good. Um, you said uh was the secret
3:12:20service with you every time you went on
3:12:22these trips?
3:12:22>> Every time.
3:12:23>> Every time. Okay, good. I have ne never
3:12:26signed off secret service protection.
3:12:28>> Okay. Um did the secret service they
3:12:32screened all the other passengers and uh
3:12:35pilots
3:12:37as far as you know
3:12:38>> they what
3:12:39>> screen them?
3:12:40>> Yeah they
3:12:43they have everybody's name and
3:12:45background and all that.
3:12:46>> Okay. Uh, now I asked you about people
3:12:49who were connected to the foundation
3:12:50that you brought along, but I take it if
3:12:52they gave you an airplane. Uh, and
3:12:54Jeffrey was on it, there were his staff,
3:12:56too. Correct.
3:12:58>> Yeah, he had some staff on it.
3:12:59>> Any of those people you remember, men,
3:13:01women?
3:13:04Well, I remember Glenn was there and
3:13:06there were always
3:13:08uh
3:13:12the the other people that stay off the
3:13:14airplane, ride,
3:13:15>> right? I think one of the reasons you're
3:13:16successful is you you deal with the
3:13:18average guy, right? You do like to talk
3:13:20to the average guy. Did you remember the
3:13:22names of any of the Epstein staffers
3:13:25that were, you know, serving you or that
3:13:27you engaged with banter about?
3:13:31>> Well, the one we just been talking
3:13:33about,
3:13:34>> Shanti Davis.
3:13:35>> Yeah. Shante. I remember her. Shante
3:13:37Davis.
3:13:38>> Okay. Anybody else you talked about?
3:13:40Where you from?
3:13:42>> Well, I talked to a lot of them. One of
3:13:44them was from Hawaii and was a military
3:13:47wife.
3:13:48>> Okay.
3:13:49>> I remember but but I don't remember
3:13:53their names after
3:13:54>> Hawaiian girl. Was she Asian?
3:13:57>> No.
3:13:58>> No. Okay. Okay. Um,
3:14:06um, were there ever new people that you
3:14:09remember joining in the This is kind of
3:14:11what spread out over what, four or five
3:14:13years or two two or three years, I
3:14:15guess, on
3:14:16>> two years on the flight.
3:14:18>> Um,
3:14:20did you ever get to the Virgin Islands
3:14:23other than on these planes? Have you
3:14:25ever been in the US Virgin Islands in
3:14:26your life?
3:14:27>> Oh, yes. I worked
3:14:30my foundation did an lot of work in the
3:14:33Virgin Islands.
3:14:35>> And you also vacation there as
3:14:36president?
3:14:37>> Well, yeah. And when I was president,
3:14:38Hillary and I vacationed there and we
3:14:41liked it very much.
3:14:42>> Okay.
3:14:43>> And but when they had the the hurricane
3:14:47in 2017,
3:14:51we went to the islands and tried to
3:14:54help. My foundation did.
3:14:56>> Okay. Okay. And we did a lot of work
3:14:58there.
3:14:59>> Okay. We have another question. You
3:15:01know, when you read about this and
3:15:03obviously these files received a lot of
3:15:05public attention. Uh recently a
3:15:07columnist pointed out that one of the
3:15:09reasons this human trafficking was
3:15:11allowed to exist is there were lawyers,
3:15:14sometimes highric lawyers who uh were
3:15:17able to bring I guess particularly from
3:15:20Eastern Europe, Eastern European girls
3:15:22through here, you know, negotiate the
3:15:24immigration laws and such. and some in
3:15:27particularly some very high-priced
3:15:28famous lawyers uh were hired and
3:15:31apparently I don't know they couldn't
3:15:32find anything better to do when they
3:15:33left uh Washington uh were engaged in uh
3:15:39helping
3:15:41I guess girls that uh some people that
3:15:44became prostitutes get here from Eastern
3:15:46Europe. Could you comment on uh lawyers
3:15:50who make money
3:15:52uh bringing
3:15:55um girls from Eastern Europe or other
3:15:58place around the world into prostitution
3:16:00coming coming to this country for
3:16:01>> you? Sorry. I'm just to clarify you just
3:16:03want him to comment on that.
3:16:04>> Yeah, I want you to comment. What do you
3:16:06think of these people?
3:16:08>> I don't like it. What?
3:16:10>> I don't like it, but I don't know much
3:16:11about it.
3:16:12>> Would you think that? Would you Oh, I'm
3:16:14sorry. I'm getting the hook. You know
3:16:16how it is.
3:16:20Saved by the bell. Well, why don't I
3:16:22finish that question? Do you think do
3:16:24you think if if lawyers help uh legally
3:16:27or illegally uh people come into this
3:16:30country for the purpose of prostitution
3:16:32that they should be despired?
3:16:36Not unless it's illegal to do it. If you
3:16:39passed a law which said it was illegal
3:16:42to provide representation
3:16:44notwithstanding
3:16:46the constitutional right to
3:16:47>> think they're sleazy lawyers if they do
3:16:50say that
3:16:51>> sleazy lawyers say they're sleazy
3:16:54>> for the record we think lawyers are
3:16:55fantastic.
3:16:56>> Thank you. Thank you Mr. President. And
3:17:00uh lastly is representative Langworthy
3:17:02from Buffalo.
3:17:04>> Oh my goodness.
3:17:05>> That's right. We say Buffalo, not New
3:17:07York.
3:17:07>> Oh. Hello, Buffalo.
3:17:10>> You were there the day after uh you were
3:17:12acquitted. I remember.
3:17:13>> Yeah. I said 20,000 people feel
3:17:16big.
3:17:17>> Never forget it.
3:17:18>> Big news. Uh thank you very much,
3:17:20President.
3:17:21>> Never forget it.
3:17:22>> Um you are widely regarded across party
3:17:25lines as one of the most politically
3:17:28perceptive leaders uh of modern time. uh
3:17:31your your political instincts are are
3:17:34very well documented and your successes
3:17:36uh uh of of your political career are
3:17:39well documented. Um how would you
3:17:42describe the substance of your
3:17:44conversations with Jeffrey Epstein
3:17:46during the many hours that you spent
3:17:49together on the aircraft?
3:17:53>> Well, at first
3:17:57he really seemed to be like a vacuum
3:17:59cleaner. like he really wanted
3:18:01information
3:18:03and there was no uh to go back to the
3:18:07the business with the what do you call
3:18:10it the passport the false link there was
3:18:14nothing uh
3:18:18overtly manipulative about it he just he
3:18:20wanted to know you know what did I think
3:18:24of derivative trading
3:18:28did I think that the stock market was
3:18:30properly regulated or did it need more?
3:18:33What uh you know
3:18:37how did we have the most broadly shared
3:18:40prosperity in 50 years? Was it just an
3:18:42accident? Was it just technology? Or do
3:18:44we have specific policies? He wanted to
3:18:47know stuff like that. And it was great
3:18:49for the first,
3:18:51you know, two, three, four, five
3:18:54conversations.
3:18:56But I could tell that it was like
3:19:01I mean you guys are in politics. Don't
3:19:04you ever feel like sometimes somebody's
3:19:06talking to you and then they're just
3:19:07checking the box and they got to go do
3:19:09something else and be somebody else.
3:19:10That's the way I felt.
3:19:13>> Interesting. The the international
3:19:15travel you took with Mr. Epstein. It it
3:19:17represented a significant investment of
3:19:19time and money on on his behalf. And I
3:19:22did miss the first portion of this. So
3:19:24if if any of this is uh repetitive, I
3:19:26apologize. Um
3:19:29your arrangement was that you would
3:19:32spend an hour of conversation with him
3:19:35on topics of his choosing and that
3:19:37>> No, he testified just so that you on
3:19:40economics and politics.
3:19:41>> On economics and politics. Thank you.
3:19:42>> Okay.
3:19:45>> And that was that was the arrangement
3:19:46and the rest was in kind donations, you
3:19:48know, the flights
3:19:49>> all the long haul flights. Yeah. If
3:19:51there were if we were gone four hours or
3:19:53more, I'd give him an hour.
3:19:55>> Okay. Did Did you ever ask him directly
3:19:57why he was willing to finance these
3:19:58trips and provide you with access to the
3:20:00plane? I did so much. And what was his
3:20:04uh what was his reaction to that
3:20:06question?
3:20:06>> He said,
3:20:08"I think you did a good job as president
3:20:10and you managed to get elected and
3:20:12you're the first Democrat in 60 years
3:20:14that got reelected. I want to know what
3:20:16happened and I want to understand it.
3:20:19And that was it. I mean, he never was,
3:20:23you know, it was never like he was
3:20:24trying to suck up to me or anything. He
3:20:26just was it was very straightforward
3:20:30and
3:20:32but after a while it was obvious that he
3:20:35had done what he intended to do and he
3:20:38was kind of going through the motions
3:20:40and he didn't really care about what we
3:20:42I really cared about this AIDS thing. I
3:20:44thought we had a chance to build
3:20:46something that would revolutionize the
3:20:48treatment of all mess
3:20:51illnesses. Same thing with tuberculosis
3:20:54and malaria. And sure enough, we did.
3:20:56But I thought we were on the verge of
3:20:58something big and
3:21:02he didn't much care about it and I had a
3:21:04bunch of people that did. So we
3:21:08went different ways
3:21:09>> and as you you pointed out I mean we're
3:21:11all in the political process certainly
3:21:12not playing at the levels uh uh that
3:21:15that you did you have in your career but
3:21:18do you believe that this was in essence
3:21:21Epste being a political junkie and and
3:21:23looking for that association?
3:21:26Yes. And
3:21:30and I I didn't know what else. All I
3:21:32knew was
3:21:35that uh but after we start when I got
3:21:37this thing going and people could see it
3:21:39like a chugging engine, you know, then
3:21:42we had more and more people interested
3:21:43in helping
3:21:46and I wanted to have people there that I
3:21:48knew were
3:21:51genuinely caring.
3:21:53>> I know it sounds funny, but it matters
3:21:55because when you start something like
3:21:56this, you're going to have rough time
3:21:58spots. Things are not going to go right.
3:22:00you're going to have to solve new
3:22:01problems. Far better to have people who
3:22:03are passionate about this.
3:22:05>> So on these overseas visits, did Mr.
3:22:08Epstein accompany you to any of the
3:22:10meetings or the private dinners or the
3:22:12official engagements? And in in if he
3:22:14did, what capacity was he introduced? He
3:22:17went to some of the meetings but and
3:22:19some of the dinners but but the big
3:22:22public dinner we did in South Africa he
3:22:24did for example
3:22:26but
3:22:28some he didn't when it wasn't
3:22:30appropriate when I had to talk to
3:22:32somebody about
3:22:36whether I thought they were following
3:22:37the pro the
3:22:39a proper legal path and trying to
3:22:44let us sell generic drugs and how we're
3:22:46going get over. There are a lot of
3:22:47complicated
3:22:49things.
3:22:50>> Can I get a time check?
3:22:51>> We have like a minute left.
3:22:53>> Did he ever seek introductions uh to
3:22:56foreign dignitaries or leaders from you?
3:22:58>> Not that I remember.
3:22:59>> Okay. Did he ever ask you to make phone
3:23:01calls on his behalf?
3:23:02>> No, he never did. I remember that he
3:23:04didn't. I mean, I would remember.
3:23:06>> And you said he was not a friend, but
3:23:08with that amount of travel and
3:23:09proximity, wh why wasn't he a friend and
3:23:12he was just an acquaintance?
3:23:13>> Well, no, it wasn't just an acquaintance
3:23:15either. I felt friendly toward him, but
3:23:18he was, as I said in my book, odd. He
3:23:21There was always something a little
3:23:23holding back. And he
3:23:26and I could tell,
3:23:29and it was pretty strange the way it
3:23:31happened. You know, Larry Summers, the
3:23:32president of Harvard, calls you out of
3:23:34the blue, says, "This guy wants to do
3:23:36it. You do it."
3:23:39And then
3:23:42I I just I like to spend as much time as
3:23:45I can,
3:23:47>> okay,
3:23:47>> with people I know that I can count on.
3:23:50And I didn't have honestly I never saw
3:23:53anything
3:23:55that I knew was illegal, but I just felt
3:23:59I should
3:24:01move on. And we did.
3:24:03>> Did Did you ever have any arguments or
3:24:06disagreements with Mr. Epstein or Miss
3:24:08Maxwell in the course of your travels?
3:24:10>> Not to my knowledge.
3:24:12>> And and is there anything um that you
3:24:16saw that he was looking to monetize the
3:24:18relationship that you had with you?
3:24:20>> Okay. And u check the time.
3:24:23>> I I seconds.
3:24:25>> My lawyers are going to kill me on this,
3:24:27but I have to say I want to be honest.
3:24:29I'm not trying to be, you know, goody
3:24:32two shoes here. I did feel
3:24:36closer to Galain Maxwell because of Ted
3:24:38Wade.
3:24:41So I didn't I wasn't against the whole
3:24:45deal until I knew what they were doing.
3:24:48>> Okay.
3:24:49>> By then it was too late for me to do
3:24:50anything. But
3:24:51>> I I think your response is to the was he
3:24:53trying to ever monetize the relation to
3:24:54your knowledge was was clear.
3:24:56>> To the best of my knowledge, he never
3:24:57did.
3:24:58>> Thank you for the opportunity, Mr.
3:24:59President. Thank you. We will go off the
3:25:01record.
3:25:09We can go back on the record.
3:25:15Mr. President, I just have a few more
3:25:18questions. I'll try to be as efficient
3:25:20as possible as we move through them. Uh,
3:25:24one is moving back in time just a little
3:25:27bit. In 1996,
3:25:30Maria Farmer, who is a confirmed Epstein
3:25:33victim, submitted information to the FBI
3:25:36that Jeffrey Epstein was sexually
3:25:38abusing minors. During your presidency,
3:25:42were you ever made aware of the
3:25:44information that Maria Farmer provided
3:25:46to the FBI in 1996?
3:25:49>> No. And
3:25:53no,
3:25:56>> thank you.
3:25:58I'm going to move back ahead to the year
3:26:012003. There's just one international
3:26:04trip that I don't think we've
3:26:06specifically discussed yet, and that was
3:26:09in November of 2003.
3:26:12A trip to I think Russia and China on
3:26:15Mr. Epstein's plane.
3:26:17>> Is that the last one I took?
3:26:19>> Great. So, I'm going to give you, I
3:26:21think, for us the last piece of paper
3:26:23for the day, which is the flight log for
3:26:25that trip. and we'll mark that as
3:26:27minority exhibit L and I'll give you a
3:26:31moment to receive that.
3:26:34>> Wow.
3:26:34>> Thank you very much.
3:26:36>> I forgotten I went through
3:26:39you went through Russia. You went
3:26:41through Russia with you coming from
3:26:43Norway.
3:26:43>> Yeah. And for your counsel, that's a
3:26:47total of five trips distributed between
3:26:50the fourth, fifth, 6th, and 9th here on
3:26:55this lot.
3:26:57>> Yeah. This was another one of our aid
3:26:59trips. Kazar was on it.
3:27:04>> Yeah. So, if you could just describe
3:27:06what you recall about the circumstances
3:27:10of this trip.
3:27:20Can you refresh my memory about what
3:27:23stops were actually taken?
3:27:25>> Yeah, the the the countries in question
3:27:29are Russia and China. I think the final
3:27:33stop was Beijing. I do not off the top
3:27:37of my head recall what each of these air
3:27:39airport codes are. It it was brush
3:27:42Brussels to Oslo to toach Russia to Hong
3:27:47Kong, Changdu, Beijing.
3:27:49>> Well, thank you. I appreciate that.
3:27:51>> Okay, let's do it again.
3:27:54>> Uh,
3:27:56Brussels to Oslo to the middle of
3:27:58Russia, Tolmacho to Hong Kong to Changdu
3:28:01to Beijing.
3:28:02>> Got it.
3:28:07We stopped uh in Europe
3:28:10and
3:28:13as I remember
3:28:16uh
3:28:20that we did something with Brazil is the
3:28:24political the parliamentary capital of
3:28:26Europe and I think we did something with
3:28:29the EU and then Oslo
3:28:34was is important because
3:28:38the
3:28:43Norwegians
3:28:45had funded a project for the that we did
3:28:48for them for the Clinton Foundation
3:28:54for Russia
3:28:58and
3:29:00they ask us to try to develop a plan
3:29:05for Lenigrat
3:29:09and
3:29:10we did.
3:29:12>> What kind of plan, Mr. President?
3:29:13>> An age plan because Len Lenigrat had a
3:29:16very
3:29:19high age rate because it was near the
3:29:23ocean and people were coming in and out.
3:29:27And I think that's what happened then.
3:29:32Uh
3:29:35and then we went to China and
3:29:38I had been doing a a lot of work
3:29:42on China and
3:29:45it was
3:29:47very interesting because we
3:29:51the Chinese
3:29:55were eager to get into this
3:29:58and yet scared. It was very interesting
3:30:00because
3:30:01We could have been in you were in Russia
3:30:04and China, you could have been in rural
3:30:06America
3:30:08on AIDS at the time. They were they were
3:30:11very reluctant to discuss this and all
3:30:14hung up about it.
3:30:16And uh
3:30:19the Chinese with whom I had good
3:30:21relations with at the time were
3:30:24the national government asked me.
3:30:27They said they they like you out in the
3:30:29country here.
3:30:31But I had been there in 1998 and had a
3:30:33big trip. And he said, "We want you to
3:30:35go out there
3:30:39and be photographed on state television
3:30:43playing with children.
3:30:46and talking to their families about
3:30:48AIDS. So that's what this whole trip was
3:30:50about. So I was doing that and uh
3:30:57it was I think I'm almost sure that's it
3:30:59because and then we stopped in Hong Kong
3:31:01on the way out, right?
3:31:02>> Yeah. Hong Kong and Beijing.
3:31:04>> Yeah.
3:31:05>> Thank you very much. I appreciate that
3:31:07context. Is it correct that while on
3:31:09that trip you did not witness or become
3:31:12aware of sexual abuse of any kind?
3:31:14>> No. I we were all busy. It's crazy. I
3:31:17never saw anything like that.
3:31:19>> Thank you. We have a few events for
3:31:22which we don't have exact dates. I'll
3:31:24ask about them one at a time. CNN has
3:31:27reported that in July of 2003.
3:31:31Miss Maxwell co-hosted a fundraiser for
3:31:34your presidential library and Mr.
3:31:36Epstein may have attended. We don't know
3:31:39whether or not you attended that event.
3:31:42Do you have any recollection of
3:31:43attending that event?
3:31:45>> I don't. I wouldn't be surprised. I
3:31:48don't remember anything about it.
3:31:50>> Thank you. An investigative journalist
3:31:53named Vicky Ward has claimed that Miss
3:31:56Maxwell accompanied you on a trip to
3:31:58India sometime in 2003, including to the
3:32:02Taj Mahal, and that you traveled for
3:32:04that trip on a private jet owned by
3:32:07billionaire Ron Burkel. Do you have any
3:32:10recollection of the trip I just
3:32:12described?
3:32:15No.
3:32:19But I want to be forthright here.
3:32:23I was the first thing I did
3:32:27in the way of public service
3:32:30after I left office
3:32:34was to
3:32:36try to help India
3:32:39deal with the aftermath of the Gujarat
3:32:41earthquake which happened literally four
3:32:45days after I gave up the White House.
3:32:49And it was
3:32:52and so I called the prime minister of
3:32:54India who was a friend of mine and he
3:32:56said I need help. I've I've got to build
3:32:59schools and hospitals and I have I can't
3:33:04do anything in the small towns and the
3:33:06middlesized towns and the rural areas. I
3:33:08only have the money to do something in
3:33:10the big cities. So
3:33:13I was I'm not saying I did or didn't do
3:33:17this. I have no memory, but I also want
3:33:20to I don't want to mislead anybody. We
3:33:22were doing tons of stuff
3:33:25and we needed to finance it. So, I can't
3:33:29say that I didn't do it.
3:33:31>> Thank you. In your 2024 memoir, you said
3:33:34that by the time Epstein was arrested in
3:33:372005
3:33:38that you had stopped contact with him.
3:33:41When do you recall being the last time
3:33:43that you had any kind of communication
3:33:45with Mr. Epste? The last time I remember
3:33:47was with him was sometime in 2003.
3:33:54>> Attorney Brad Edwards, that's an
3:33:56attorney who's represented many of Mr.
3:33:58Epstein's survivors.
3:33:59>> Excuse me, council. I I I believe there
3:34:01was a misstatement there. Uh the book
3:34:04says who in 2008 had been convicted and
3:34:07jailed in Florida, not 2005.
3:34:09>> Okay. Thank you. I appreciate that.
3:34:13Attorney Brad Edwards has represented
3:34:16many of Mr. Epstein's survivors. He
3:34:19claimed in a 2011 filing that he
3:34:22believed the Justice Department
3:34:23possessed some kind of correspondence
3:34:25from you from 2007 or 2008 on behalf of
3:34:31Jeffrey Epstein. At any of the various
3:34:33points when Mr. Epstein was under
3:34:35investigation. Did you or any of your
3:34:38representatives ever submit any
3:34:40correspondence to the Department of
3:34:41Justice on his behalf?
3:34:43>> I have no memory of that.
3:34:47>> To your recollection or knowledge, did
3:34:49you or your representatives ever have
3:34:51any other communication with the
3:34:53Department of Justice regarding Jeff?
3:34:56>> Not that I remember. No.
3:35:00CNN has reported that in 2007, Miss
3:35:03Maxwell co-hosted a fundraiser for
3:35:06Secretary Clinton's presidential
3:35:08campaign in New York City. We believe
3:35:10that Christina Aguilera may have
3:35:12performed at that event. Do you have any
3:35:14knowledge or recollection of attending
3:35:17that event?
3:35:20>> I don't.
3:35:24There was a an email released as part of
3:35:26the DOJ files recently that suggested
3:35:30you may have attended a party at Galain
3:35:33Maxwell's home in October of 2009 and
3:35:38that publicist Peggy Seagull as well as
3:35:41Jeff Bezos may have attended. My only
3:35:44question to you is whether you have any
3:35:45recollection of attending a party that I
3:35:48just described.
3:35:49>> Is this her home in New York City? It
3:35:51would be at uh Miss Maxwell's home in
3:35:55New York City.
3:35:57>> I have no memory of that at all.
3:35:59>> Thank you.
3:36:03>> It's been widely reported that in July
3:36:05of 2010, Miss Maxwell attended your
3:36:08daughter Chelsea's wedding in Reinach,
3:36:10New York, and that she accompanied
3:36:12billionaire Ted Wait, who was at least
3:36:14at the time a family friend of yours and
3:36:16you've described a little bit today. You
3:36:19of course were at that wedding as well.
3:36:21Do you have any specific recollection of
3:36:24interacting with Miss Maxwell at that
3:36:27wedding?
3:36:30>> No, I was I was an emotional wreck. I
3:36:34was just trying not to fall off the
3:36:37the little what do you call the pallets?
3:36:40the
3:36:41>> the disc
3:36:42>> the the no the wooden
3:36:44>> oh
3:36:45>> that we walked on the grass with
3:36:48>> I knew she was there but and she and Ted
3:36:51were there
3:36:53>> and what was your understanding of her
3:36:56relationship with Mr. Wait at the time?
3:37:00>> Well, I thought they were together and I
3:37:02think Chelsea and Mark did too.
3:37:06to
3:37:12it's also been reported that in 2011 uh
3:37:16your adviser Doug Band instructed an aid
3:37:19to remove Miss Maxwell from all
3:37:21attendance related lists for Clinton
3:37:23related events. This was reportedly in
3:37:26the wake of Virginia Roberts Juay and
3:37:28allegations that she made at the time
3:37:30against many people including Miss
3:37:32Maxwell. Do you have any memory or
3:37:34knowledge of Mr. B's instructions that I
3:37:36just described?
3:37:38>> I don't.
3:37:43>> Thank you. That takes us through most of
3:37:45the known timeline of your relationship
3:37:47with Jeffrey Epstein. There's just one
3:37:49more topic I would like to cover. That
3:37:51is the Clinton Global Initiative.
3:37:55In 2007, Mr. Epstein's lawyers claimed
3:37:58that he was part of the original group
3:38:00that conceived the Clinton Global
3:38:02Initiative. Would you agree with that
3:38:04characterization?
3:38:05>> No.
3:38:06>> Can you elaborate a little bit on why
3:38:08you would not agree with that? I
3:38:10wouldn't agree with that because
3:38:15the first time I ever discussed what
3:38:18became the Clinton Bowl initiative
3:38:21was with Doug Ban and the rest of our
3:38:24small group on the way back from Davos.
3:38:30And
3:38:32Doug said he wanted to we should have a
3:38:36meeting like this in New York at the
3:38:38opening of the UN
3:38:41and we can make a lot of money
3:38:44because you don't have to go to Davos
3:38:47and you can meet all these people
3:38:48that'll be here.
3:38:51And I said
3:38:54I want to do it for an entirely
3:38:56different reason. It's fine if we make
3:38:57money, but the most important thing is
3:38:59that we give serious people a chance to
3:39:02go to meetings and actually make
3:39:04commitments to make positive change. I'm
3:39:07tired of going to meetings where
3:39:08everybody just blow the eggs and don't
3:39:10ever do a damn thing. So,
3:39:14if we can figure out how to do that, I'm
3:39:16interested.
3:39:19And then we got,
3:39:22you know, a team.
3:39:24There was
3:39:26to to operationalize it, it was Doug
3:39:30Ban, Mary Morrison, who had worked for
3:39:32me in the inner office at the White
3:39:34House
3:39:36and a man named Ed Hughes who was a
3:39:38wonderful young guy who stayed with us
3:39:39the whole 12 years
3:39:42and
3:39:44they were working on how to stand up and
3:39:47do the mechanics of this.
3:39:51And my job was to
3:39:55try to get some people who would come
3:39:59that people would want to hear and see
3:40:02and try to, you know, make it exciting
3:40:06and make people actually want to make
3:40:09commitments.
3:40:12And so
3:40:14I think it was at that point that Glenn
3:40:16may have gotten involved. I don't know.
3:40:20You can ask them about it, but I'm just
3:40:21telling you how it began. It began
3:40:24with Doug saying, "Let's do this and
3:40:27make money," and me saying, "Let's do
3:40:28this and make commitments."
3:40:30>> I I think the question, Mr. President,
3:40:31what you've answered was was was Jeffrey
3:40:33Epstein involved in the
3:40:36>> at the time? No, not at all.
3:40:38>> Thank you.
3:40:39>> But I I do not know what I have for
3:40:42>> It has been publicly reported that in
3:40:442006, Mr. Epstein made a $25,000
3:40:48donation to the Clinton Foundation. Do
3:40:51you have any specific knowledge or
3:40:53recollection of that donation?
3:40:55>> No, I saw it in the I saw that it was
3:40:56reported. I didn't I don't know.
3:40:58>> Thank you. With respect to Miss Maxwell,
3:41:01and you just touched on it briefly. She
3:41:04told DOJ last July that she was quote
3:41:07very central to the startup of the
3:41:09Clinton Global Initiative. Would you
3:41:11agree with that characterization?
3:41:16I would agree that she worked hard. I
3:41:18now know I didn't at the time because I
3:41:22was working on the other, as I
3:41:23explained, I was working on a whole
3:41:25other part of this.
3:41:27>> If I could ask you to limit your answer
3:41:28to your knowledge at the time.
3:41:30>> At the time, I did not know it.
3:41:32>> Thank you.
3:41:35The New York Times recently reported
3:41:37that in 2004, Ms. Maxwell arranged a $1
3:41:41million payment to an events company
3:41:43called Publicist Group. That the payment
3:41:46may have had some connection with the
3:41:48first Clinton Global Initiative
3:41:50conference in 2005. The reporting
3:41:53suggests that Mr. Epstein may have been
3:41:55involved with the payment or somehow
3:41:57aware of the payment. Do you have any
3:41:59specific memory or knowledge or
3:42:01recollection of the $1 million payment I
3:42:04just described?
3:42:07>> No.
3:42:11>> It's also been reported that in
3:42:12September of 2013 at a Clinton Global
3:42:15Initiative conference, Miss Maxwell,
3:42:18Miss Ms. Maxwell was recognized as a
3:42:21commitment to action partner for her
3:42:23work on behalf of the Terramar project
3:42:26which was an ocean conservation
3:42:27nonprofit that she founded in 2012. Do
3:42:31you have any memory or knowledge of that
3:42:33conference?
3:42:34>> I do.
3:42:35>> Great. Could you describe a little bit
3:42:37what you recall?
3:42:39>> Yeah, because this shows you how the CGI
3:42:42works not for Gain for everybody.
3:42:47She
3:42:49the first she was still with Tedweight
3:42:51and he was still heavily involved in
3:42:55ocean work. So that was sort of an
3:42:58incentive. But she had organized this
3:42:59group
3:43:02whose objective was to in effect take
3:43:07two massive islands
3:43:10made of metal and junk out of the
3:43:13Atlantic.
3:43:15And they were floating around. One of
3:43:16them was had gotten to the Caribbean.
3:43:17They were floating around and all this
3:43:20metal. So that was what she was trying
3:43:21to do. It was a good idea and she was
3:43:24recognized for that. The fact that she
3:43:27was recognized was not particularly
3:43:28remarkable. Everybody who makes a
3:43:30commitment,
3:43:33goes through a photo line and gets
3:43:35recognized.
3:43:37>> Did you have any personal role in Ms.
3:43:40Maxwell's recognition at that event or
3:43:43that
3:43:44>> it might have been in her room by the
3:43:45time she got it, but it was No, they
3:43:48they put the recognition in that room. I
3:43:51remember this specifically because
3:43:55it was where all the ocean freaks were,
3:43:57all the people that cared about this
3:43:58that wanted to be.
3:44:01So that's why they wanted those things
3:44:02announced.
3:44:03>> By ocean freaks, you mean people who are
3:44:04passionate about the ocean?
3:44:06>> Yes. Thank you.
3:44:08>> I mean that.
3:44:10people who were passionate about doing
3:44:12this. It was great. And so I didn't
3:44:16think a thing about it. Do
3:44:18>> you have any additional knowledge or
3:44:20recollection related to Ms. Maxwell's
3:44:22role at that event?
3:44:24>> No.
3:44:26>> Reportedly in February of 2014, you had
3:44:30dinner with Ms. Maxwell and others in
3:44:32Los Angeles at a vegan restaurant called
3:44:35Crossroads Kitchen. That dinner may have
3:44:37been organized by your then deputy chief
3:44:40of staff, John Davidson, perhaps around
3:44:4220 guests. Do you have any recollection
3:44:44of the dinner I just described?
3:44:50I had a lot of dinners like that in Los
3:44:52Angeles. So, I don't remember that
3:44:55specific one, but I whenever I went to
3:44:58Los Angeles, I attempted to have a
3:45:00dinner someplace in public with a lot of
3:45:03my friends just to keep in touch with
3:45:05them, keep going.
3:45:09>> As far as you can recall, when was the
3:45:12last time you had any form of
3:45:13communication with Ms. Maxwell?
3:45:18>> I think it must be a decade ago. It
3:45:20might be even longer. I don't know. But
3:45:22it was wrong time.
3:45:24>> Thank you,
3:45:29>> Mr. President. Um it's a pleasure uh to
3:45:32be here and and quickly uh on a lighter
3:45:35note. Um point of personal privilege, my
3:45:39birthday is November 5th, 1974, which
3:45:42shouldn't mean anything to you, but what
3:45:44it means is is that I turned 18 two days
3:45:47after the election
3:45:49>> and I couldn't vote. and I'm still upset
3:45:51about that. So, on behalf of my mom, um
3:45:54I apologize. She was a little slow. Now,
3:45:58um
3:46:00President Clinton, as council noted at
3:46:02the beginning of this deposition, Donald
3:46:04Trump posted on social media that the
3:46:08that the that he wanted Attorney General
3:46:11Pam Bondi to investigate you and other
3:46:14prominent Democrats in order to distract
3:46:16from his own close ties to Jeffrey
3:46:18Epstein. That post was previously marked
3:46:22as minority exhibit B, which you already
3:46:25have.
3:46:25>> Yep.
3:46:26>> President Trump's post refers to Jeffrey
3:46:28Epstein's crimes against young girls and
3:46:31women, as the Epstein hoax. His post
3:46:34also completely ignores several other
3:46:37high-profile individuals, including
3:46:39Republicans and allies of President
3:46:41Trump, who were known to have had
3:46:43relationships with Epstein. In fact, the
3:46:46Epstein files contain numerous officials
3:46:49in the current and previous Trump
3:46:51administrations who have connections to
3:46:53Jeffrey Epstein, including Howard
3:46:56Lednik, RFK Jr., Steve Bannon, Tom
3:46:59Barrett, Kevin Worsh, and Met Oz to name
3:47:02a few. President Clinton, to your
3:47:04knowledge, has the Trump administration
3:47:06done anything at all to investigate
3:47:08these other individuals with ties to
3:47:10Epstein?
3:47:11>> Well, I wouldn't be in a position to
3:47:13know they
3:47:15That's the truth. I, you know,
3:47:18as I said earlier,
3:47:23the only conversation I have with
3:47:24President Trump about this was in the
3:47:27early 2000s.
3:47:30And I have no information
3:47:33that he did anything wrong. I just want
3:47:37it all out there. I want everybody to
3:47:39get it all out there and let everybody
3:47:40see where we are. And had you had any
3:47:43conversations with him since the early
3:47:452000s about this subject matter?
3:47:48>> No.
3:47:50Um, and then last, my last question is
3:47:53Howard Lenick recently went so far as to
3:47:56lie about his close relations with
3:47:58Jeffrey Epstein, but the truth came out
3:48:00with the release of the files. President
3:48:02Clinton, is Howard Lenik still employed
3:48:04a secretary of commerce in the Trump
3:48:06administration to your knowledge?
3:48:08>> I think he is. And in your opinion, why
3:48:11has Donald Trump ignored these other
3:48:12prominent figures who've had close ties?
3:48:16>> He's asking your opinion, Mr. President.
3:48:21>> Lnik is
3:48:25runs a big company and has made a lot of
3:48:27money and has supported him strongly.
3:48:31I don't think he believes that he's done
3:48:33anything bad enough to
3:48:36I think he thinks he took his family to
3:48:39the island and you couldn't have done
3:48:41anything wrong.
3:48:43That's what I think he thinks. But I'm
3:48:46speculating. I'm doing what I have no
3:48:48business doing because I really don't
3:48:50know.
3:48:52>> Thank you, Mr. President.
3:48:53>> Thank you.
3:48:56>> It's okay.
3:48:58>> Thank you. I'll speak up.
3:49:01>> Thank you, Mr. President, uh, for being
3:49:03here, for your service. I'll be brief. I
3:49:05think most of the pertinent questions
3:49:06have been asked today. Um, I want to
3:49:08talk about transparency. You and
3:49:10Secretary Clinton were both very clear
3:49:12about your desire to testify publicly
3:49:14before this committee. In fact, on
3:49:17February 6, 2026, you posted on social
3:49:20media, quote, "I will not sit idly as
3:49:22they use me as a prop in a closed-door
3:49:24kangaroo court by a Republican party
3:49:27running scared. If they want answers,
3:49:29let's stop the games and do this the
3:49:30right way in a public hearing where the
3:49:32American people can see for themselves
3:49:34what this is really about." President
3:49:36Clinton, why do you feel it is important
3:49:38for you to testify before this committee
3:49:40in a public setting?
3:49:44>> Because I think that
3:49:47first what happened
3:49:50with Jeffrey Epstein was horrible.
3:49:54What he did and what
3:49:57Glenn Maxwell was convicted of, it was
3:50:01horrible. We can't tolerate it in
3:50:04America and shouldn't. We ought to keep
3:50:07doing as Hillary talked about yesterday,
3:50:09try our part to get rid of that kind of
3:50:12trafficking around the world.
3:50:16Secondly,
3:50:20I was on the plane. It may be that I've
3:50:22said something today that gave you some
3:50:24indication that would help change
3:50:26policies or something. I so I thought it
3:50:30was important.
3:50:32But I also think people know that
3:50:35there's been a little bit of zigg and
3:50:37zag and ambivalence about,
3:50:40you know, how we should how hard this
3:50:43thing should be put out there.
3:50:46And I'm not pointing a finger at anybody
3:50:48anything. I'm just saying we know that.
3:50:50And so
3:50:54I think it's important
3:50:57that we get it all out.
3:51:00So to be clear, so the this committee
3:51:02issued a subpoena to the Department of
3:51:05Justice to release the full and
3:51:06unredacted files last summer. There's
3:51:08also now the Epstein Files Transparency
3:51:10Act that asked for the same that
3:51:12President Donald Trump signed into law,
3:51:14but still the Department of Justice
3:51:15under this administration has not
3:51:17released all of the files and and
3:51:19there's been many illegal redactions. Do
3:51:21you think that we of course as Congress
3:51:24and the American public should get the
3:51:26full and unredacted files immediately?
3:51:29I think unless
3:51:33there is some serious danger of physical
3:51:36harm
3:51:38to one of the victims
3:51:41or some national security interest
3:51:44involving intelligence
3:51:48because you've all you've heard me that
3:51:51some of you think that there's some
3:51:52intelligence issues, national security
3:51:54issues. I think the rest of it ought to
3:51:57be gotten out and I think we just need
3:51:58to get to a point where we can put this
3:52:00behind us
3:52:02and then I think
3:52:04you I hope you can and will
3:52:09help build us a system
3:52:13that works in America the way our
3:52:15international system works best in
3:52:17trying to identify and stop human
3:52:19trafficking
3:52:20and trying to make people whole once
3:52:23they've been damaged
3:52:25And not a question, but just in
3:52:27response, the the law is very clear
3:52:29about the identities of the victims.
3:52:31Unfortunately, the Department of Justice
3:52:32has wrongfully release some of that
3:52:35information, including personally
3:52:36identifiable information while illegally
3:52:38redacting names uh of potential
3:52:42co-conspirators. Now,
3:52:44they're going to kill me for saying
3:52:45this, but I think it's important to I
3:52:48think it is entirely possible
3:52:52that people in the Justice Department I
3:52:55don't agree with on nearly anything,
3:52:57right? But I when it's possible that
3:53:00they didn't intentionally
3:53:03cover some of this stuff up, but it's
3:53:05hard to accept that when you look at the
3:53:08other problems in dealing with the
3:53:10information.
3:53:12So you guys got to clear that up, clean
3:53:14it up, decide how you think it should be
3:53:17handled.
3:53:19>> Thank you.
3:53:21>> So before we go off the record, just one
3:53:23clarification. It's more just for
3:53:25councils. The uh quote from the 2024
3:53:28memoir, I think was accurately quoted in
3:53:31the first instance. The full sentence is
3:53:33quote, "He," meaning Mr. Epstein, hurt a
3:53:36lot of people, but I knew nothing about
3:53:38it. And by the time he was first
3:53:40arrested in 2005, I had stopped contact
3:53:43with him. And that's the end of the
3:53:44sentence. That's page 373. So that's
3:53:47just for counsel. And
3:53:48>> my my apology.
3:53:49>> No, not at all. And with that, we can
3:53:50end this round and go off the record.
3:54:01>> Uh we'll go back on the record.
3:54:04Mr. President, during the last hour,
3:54:06there was a discussion related to your
3:54:08book with uh minority council and I just
3:54:12want to read the excerpt into the record
3:54:15and just a quick question for
3:54:17clarification. You said, "I had always
3:54:19thought Epstein was odd but had no
3:54:21inkling of the crimes he was committing.
3:54:24He heard a lot of people, but I knew
3:54:26nothing about it. And by the time he was
3:54:28first arrested in 2005, I had stopped
3:54:32talk or stopped contact with him.
3:54:36We understand that Mr. Epstein was
3:54:39arrested in July of 2006.
3:54:43Can you explain the discrepancy?
3:54:46>> Are you asking him to fact check his own
3:54:47book?
3:54:48>> Correct.
3:54:49>> Okay. I mean,
3:54:50>> can you explain it or not?
3:54:51>> I can't. I'm sorry. We made a mistake.
3:54:55>> Thank you.
3:54:57All right. Uh, Mr. President,
3:54:58Congresswoman Nancy Mace from South
3:55:00Carolina. Thank you for being here with
3:55:02us for hours today. I know it's been a
3:55:03long day and I know that we're going to
3:55:05wrap up soon for you. Um, did you know
3:55:08one of the witnesses who testified in
3:55:10the Epstein cases that Epstein said uh,
3:55:13you quote like them young. Why would
3:55:15Epstein say that about you?
3:55:16>> Are you asking his opinion?
3:55:18>> You're asking him to think about why Mr.
3:55:20Epstein would say something?
3:55:21>> Why would Why would Epste say that about
3:55:23>> She's asking him to try to be in Mr. Mr.
3:55:25Epste's mind and guess at what Mr. Epste
3:55:28would have thought about.
3:55:29>> Clinton likes them young referring to
3:55:30girls.
3:55:35>> First of all,
3:55:39>> that's not true.
3:55:41>> What's not true?
3:55:43>> That I have any
3:55:48interest in underage?
3:55:50>> I didn't say underage. I said I said
3:55:51young.
3:55:52>> But it's still not true.
3:55:54Is an intern young?
3:55:58>> Yes.
3:55:59>> Okay.
3:56:00>> At my age, anybody younger than I am.
3:56:02>> Did you know Jeffrey Epstein instructed
3:56:04a witness to deny you were ever on his
3:56:06island?
3:56:08>> He didn't have to since I was never
3:56:10there.
3:56:11>> Did you ever uh travel to Zoro Ranch?
3:56:14>> Is that the one in New Mexico? Yes.
3:56:15>> No.
3:56:16>> Okay. Have you ever flown on anyone
3:56:18else's private jet 26 times or more for
3:56:20overseas trips?
3:56:25I have flown as many miles on other jets
3:56:28but never with as many stops.
3:56:30>> How many other people's planes have you
3:56:33used like Epstein 26 times or miles etc.
3:56:39>> I don't know. I did with Steve Bean
3:56:41who's now deceased
3:56:44and probably with four or five others.
3:56:46>> Okay.
3:56:47>> So maybe about a half dozen billionaires
3:56:49total.
3:56:50Um, how many dinners did you have with
3:56:53uh Gla Maxwell or Jeffrey Epstein in
3:56:55attendance?
3:56:56>> She's asking to the best of your
3:56:58recollection.
3:56:58>> I have no idea.
3:57:00>> Okay. Did you ever discuss sexual
3:57:01misconduct allegations made against you
3:57:04with Epste or Maxwell?
3:57:05>> Never.
3:57:06>> Did Epste or Maxwell ever offer to help
3:57:08manage or silence women who made sexual
3:57:09misconduct allegations against you?
3:57:12>> No. Did Epstein or Maxwell ever offer
3:57:14financial support directly or indirectly
3:57:16to legal defense funds related to
3:57:18impeachment proceedings or civil actions
3:57:20against you?
3:57:21>> Not to my knowledge.
3:57:22>> Do you think a young girl massaging a
3:57:24president is unusual?
3:57:26>> So are you asking his opinion?
3:57:28>> Well, he was massaged by a young woman.
3:57:30I'm asking if he thinks it's unusual
3:57:32that a president sitting president of
3:57:33the United States leader of the free
3:57:35world that it'sual. Are you speaking to
3:57:37are you talking to the the instance of
3:57:39the
3:57:40>> unusual the back massage that occurred
3:57:43while he was not president? I'm just
3:57:44trying to understand. You said a
3:57:45president of the United States
3:57:46>> former president.
3:57:47>> Thank you. Just trying to make sure
3:57:49we're correcting the time.
3:57:51>> No, I don't need to. I'm actually trying
3:57:52to make sure that as you
3:57:53>> be clear. He he said he
3:57:55>> you said he was a sitting president.
3:57:56>> Excuse me. Could we just please go one
3:57:58at a time? Thank you.
3:57:59>> You said a sitting president. I want you
3:58:00to be clear so that when he answers you
3:58:02sitting president do it. Is it unusual?
3:58:06>> Objection. I
3:58:06>> have no idea if it's unusual.
3:58:08>> Objection calls for speculation.
3:58:09>> I figured. Do you ever uh did you ever
3:58:12think that all these women around
3:58:13Jeffrey Epstein or Gillian Maxwell was
3:58:15odd, unusual, weird, or creepy?
3:58:20>> There weren't all that many around when
3:58:21I was there.
3:58:22>> How many would you say is all not all
3:58:24that many? I think on this big plane
3:58:28that was working long hours, having two
3:58:31to four people on there, I thought was,
3:58:33as far as I knew, they were all helping
3:58:36>> flight attendants and tank tops and
3:58:38jeans, right?
3:58:40>> No.
3:58:40>> Do you believe you were a victim of a
3:58:43Jeffrey Epstein intel operation?
3:58:46Do you think that you might have been
3:58:48like caught up in some of what he was
3:58:50maybe potentially doing?
3:58:52>> Excuse me, Congress. Which question are
3:58:55you asking?
3:58:55>> I'm asking intel operation.
3:58:57>> First of all, I don't
3:58:58>> some type of intel operation. I'm just
3:59:00curious because it's been speculated on
3:59:02today and yesterday that he may have
3:59:04been an intel asset. Do you think
3:59:06perhaps knowing what we know now, uh,
3:59:08the proclivity of it all that he may
3:59:10have been targeting you as part of an
3:59:12intel operation?
3:59:13>> I doubt it.
3:59:14>> Okay. Um, in 2019 you stated after he
3:59:18was arrested, I guess this would be the
3:59:19second time, you stated you knew nothing
3:59:21of Epstein's quote terrible crime since
3:59:23you only met quote briefly on only quote
3:59:26two occasions. Was this statement false?
3:59:29>> Excuse me. Congress accurate statement.
3:59:32Can you please share us?
3:59:33>> Yes. Um, in 2019 is reported by the
3:59:37media.
3:59:37>> Which media?
3:59:38>> Um, this says this is the
3:59:40>> Could you share a copy of it, please?
3:59:41>> Okay. Daily Beast. It says uh the title
3:59:43of this is Bill Clinton failed to
3:59:45mention his intimate 1995 dinner with
3:59:47Epstein.
3:59:49>> We can give council on the witness a
3:59:51moment to review the exhibit.
3:59:53>> Well, we'd like the statement. I mean,
3:59:55he put out
3:59:56in 2019 full statement
3:59:59>> and it will be marked exhibit
4:00:01202.
4:00:03>> So, to be clear, your your your the
4:00:05basis of your question is a news article
4:00:07with respect to the Daily Beast as to a
4:00:09dinner. Is that accurate?
4:00:10>> Nope. It's uh a question in the first
4:00:12paragraph which reads, "Hours after
4:00:14Jeffrey Epstein was arraigned Monday on
4:00:16several sex trafficking charges, former
4:00:18President Bill Clinton publicly
4:00:19downplayed his relationship with the
4:00:21pedophile Finance CA, saying he knew
4:00:23nothing of his terrible crime since they
4:00:25only met briefly on two occasions
4:00:27>> and that's in the Daily Beast, which is
4:00:29in your hand right now,
4:00:30>> right? That's what I just said.
4:00:32>> Thank you.
4:00:34>> Well, what would you like to know?
4:00:36>> So, my question is, you stated you'd
4:00:37only met Jeffrey Epste in 2019. You said
4:00:39you'd only met him on two occasions. Was
4:00:41this statement false when you made it?
4:00:43>> To be clear, this is a news reporting
4:00:45that is saying that that's what
4:00:47>> did you make this statement in 2019?
4:00:49>> Congress, would you put in the statement
4:00:50that he made? This is a news report.
4:00:52It's double hearsay.
4:00:53>> Did you No. Did you make this statement
4:00:55in 2019 as reported by the media?
4:00:58>> So, you're asking whether or not he made
4:00:59a statement to the Daily Beast.
4:01:00>> Nope. To It says quote. It's quoting him
4:01:02or his office, etc. Are you denying you
4:01:05made this statement?
4:01:06>> It's quoting a sentence. If you put in
4:01:07the entire statement, that's all we ask.
4:01:10To be fair, give him the statement, not
4:01:12somebody's report on it. I have no idea
4:01:13what the Daily Beast take is.
4:01:15>> There was a statement that was released
4:01:16that was broader than this, and they
4:01:17relied on only a portion of it.
4:01:20>> They relied on only a portion of his
4:01:21full statement.
4:01:22>> That's a portion I'm focusing on. He
4:01:24said with Jeff,
4:01:25>> so it's actually a misrepresentation of
4:01:28his entire statement.
4:01:29>> Well, can you let your client answer the
4:01:31question?
4:01:31>> Well, can you ask it in a way that would
4:01:33make it clear that what you were
4:01:34actually asking clear? His statement
4:01:35said he met broader question of what did
4:01:38he say?
4:01:39>> He said he briefly met with him only on
4:01:41two occasions.
4:01:41>> The Daily Beast selected that piece out.
4:01:43>> So are you denying that the president
4:01:44made this statement?
4:01:45>> What I'm saying is that there is an
4:01:47entire statement. That's the statement
4:01:48on which the president spoke to.
4:01:50>> Would you like to provide it to this
4:01:51committee?
4:01:52>> We're happily provide that committee.
4:01:54>> Okay. I would like to ask the president
4:01:55this question. Was that a false
4:01:57statement that you made in 2019 that he
4:01:59only met with Jeffrey Epste briefly on
4:02:00two occasions?
4:02:01>> Object to the basis of this question.
4:02:03You say you're asking him about a news
4:02:05article, not the statement he made.
4:02:07>> Quoting him. It's quoting the president
4:02:09of the United States. Are you denying
4:02:11Are you denying the president made the
4:02:12statement?
4:02:13>> I'm I'm telling
4:02:14>> Are you denying he made the statement? I
4:02:16want to know.
4:02:16>> No, I'm telling you that the president
4:02:18made a full state. You are selecting a
4:02:20piece of it. Let Let's put in the entire
4:02:22statement he made.
4:02:23>> I wasn't uh in federal office in 2019. I
4:02:26was not a part of this committee. I was
4:02:27a state house rep from Goose Creek,
4:02:29South Carolina. And I'm quoting open
4:02:32sources that I have to the best of my
4:02:34knowledge. I'm not rich with a bunch of
4:02:35attorneys. Okay? I'm doing the best that
4:02:37I can get the to get the information I
4:02:39can. And I'm asking if the president was
4:02:41telling a lie in 2019 when he stated to
4:02:44the public he'd only met with Jeffrey
4:02:46Epste on two occasions. He did not say
4:02:48to the public,
4:02:50let me be clear. Not asking about your
4:02:53right to ask him any question, but don't
4:02:55do it on the basis of a news article.
4:02:57The news article is quoting his
4:02:58statement.
4:02:58>> So, is a news article lying? Is a news
4:03:00article false?
4:03:01>> It's it it's false if you take it to me
4:03:04what you say which the statement did not
4:03:06do.
4:03:06>> Do you understand English? It's serious.
4:03:08>> I think I do. I'm not from South
4:03:10Carolina, but I think I do.
4:03:11>> Did you make a statement, Mr. President,
4:03:12in 2019 that you only met with Jeffrey
4:03:14Epstein twice?
4:03:17>> It that
4:03:18>> I'm asking question a different way.
4:03:20>> I have no idea. But I think that
4:03:24when I answer that,
4:03:28I don't believe I remembered anything
4:03:30about meeting him in 1995.
4:03:32>> So when making a statement about Jeffrey
4:03:34Epstein in 2019, would you have checked
4:03:36with your staff on maybe White House
4:03:38logs about the 17 times he visited,
4:03:40dinners you had with him, fundraising uh
4:03:42that you did with him, fundraising
4:03:43dinners he was it on, uh you were on his
4:03:46flights 26 times. Would you have checked
4:03:48with your staff before making such a
4:03:50statement or would you just Congressman,
4:03:52what what statement are you talking
4:03:53about? Are you talking about the entire
4:03:55statement that he made in 2019?
4:03:56>> M. Can I just ask you for the M? Can I
4:03:59ask you for the record?
4:04:00>> Miss M, can I ask you for the record?
4:04:01Can you read the article into the
4:04:03record, please?
4:04:04>> I'm not going to read the article into
4:04:05the record.
4:04:06>> Well, Miss M, you are indicating that
4:04:08this article misrepresents
4:04:10anybody to read an article into the
4:04:12record. I'm not going to do that. You've
4:04:13not basis.
4:04:15You're not in charge of me. I am quoting
4:04:17from
4:04:17>> I'm not seeking to be in charge of you.
4:04:18Believe me, that is something I would
4:04:19not at all. even try
4:04:21>> seek to be. So I I want to be
4:04:23respectful, but I am asking if you're
4:04:24asking him to speak to this, can you
4:04:26please put the entire
4:04:28>> article in the record?
4:04:29>> The entire article is in the record as
4:04:31an exhibit. What exhibit number is this?
4:04:32>> 22.
4:04:33>> 22. And yet counselor, it's already in
4:04:36the record clarified
4:04:38>> to reflect only the small portion of the
4:04:40larger statement to whatever extent the
4:04:42witness is able to answer to his
4:04:44recollection of that portion of the
4:04:46statement and any preparation that
4:04:48occurred to make that statement. So in
4:04:51other words, what you have just
4:04:54articulated that the question's been
4:04:56clarified by Miss Mace or by you that
4:04:59what is intended is to actually only be
4:05:01speaking to the selected piece out of
4:05:03the entire statement that was released
4:05:05by the president's office. Is that what
4:05:07you're clarifying?
4:05:07>> That's what I'm focused on. Yes.
4:05:09>> Okay.
4:05:10>> So if you read this,
4:05:16>> you really want to know is if I was at a
4:05:19dinner. No, I don't. My question was
4:05:21about statement. No, sir.
4:05:24>> No, sir. I'm not asking about that
4:05:25dinner. Um, I'm asking about the
4:05:26statement at the beginning of the
4:05:28article. I would like to ask another
4:05:30question. Your statement in 2019 about
4:05:32only meeting with Jeffrey Epstein on two
4:05:34occasions briefly. Um,
4:05:36>> that is not a correct. I'm going to
4:05:37object to that characterization. That is
4:05:39not what the statement says.
4:05:41>> You're reading the Daily Kickstarter,
4:05:43>> which is a leftist rag. By the way, on
4:05:45the third paragraph down, it says, "In
4:05:47his Monday statement, Clinton said he
4:05:48had only quote one meeting with Epste in
4:05:50his Har Har Har Har Har Har Har Har Har
4:05:51Har Har Har Har Har Har Har Har Har Har
4:05:51Har Har Har Har Har Har Har Har Har Har
4:05:51Har Har Har Har Har Har Har Har Har Har
4:05:51Har Harlem office in 2002 and around the
4:05:53same time made one brief visit to
4:05:55Epstein's New York apartment with a
4:05:56staff member and his security detail."
4:05:58Those are the two
4:06:00reference to the Daily Beast. Bill
4:06:02Clinton failed to mention his intimate
4:06:03dinner 1995 dinner with Epstein.
4:06:06>> That's by Par Melendez on the 11th of
4:06:09July 2019.
4:06:11>> All right, Mr. President uh your
4:06:14statement saying you know only met with
4:06:16Epstein briefly twice. Was that part of
4:06:17an effort to cover up your close
4:06:19relationship with Jeffrey Epste?
4:06:20>> Object to the form of the question
4:06:22misstates the record.
4:06:24>> She's asking if you were trying to mis
4:06:26um mislead the public.
4:06:28>> Oh no.
4:06:29>> Okay. How many times did Billy Maxwell
4:06:31visit your home in Chapel?
4:06:33>> I have no idea
4:06:35>> who invited her.
4:06:37>> Well, I don't know. I don't know how.
4:06:40She may have been
4:06:41>> Mr. President. That's it.
4:06:44>> Okay.
4:06:44>> Hillary had political events there.
4:06:46>> Okay. Um, so is it in your uh is it to
4:06:50your knowledge was that was she at your
4:06:52home in Chapua likely because your wife
4:06:55had her open for Senate events? That's
4:06:56what he testified earlier today.
4:06:58Correct.
4:06:58>> That's not what he testified, but please
4:06:59ask the question as to what he would
4:07:01actually Thank you. I appreciate that.
4:07:03>> I do not know. But if you are
4:07:05>> implying the reverse, I will volunteer
4:07:07something. She was never at my house in
4:07:11Chapaqua for any personal reasons.
4:07:14>> I didn't I didn't I didn't say anything
4:07:16for anything personal.
4:07:16>> No, you didn't. But you have a great
4:07:18tone in your voice and you're very good
4:07:20at that's just
4:07:21>> Thank you. I'll take that as a
4:07:22compliment. I compliment. Thank you. And
4:07:24I did not go to Y Law School or any law
4:07:25school for that matter. Um so yesterday
4:07:28your wife testified uh that Gain Maxwell
4:07:30was never at her home and I believe you
4:07:33stated earlier today you thought if she
4:07:34was over there it would be for Senate
4:07:36events. So would was your wife falsely
4:07:39testifying yesterday characterizes.
4:07:42>> So he doesn't have the benefit of his
4:07:43wife's testimony yesterday. So unless
4:07:45you all are going to provide the
4:07:46transcript or you're going to actually
4:07:47provide that information, there's not a
4:07:48position where we could address.
4:07:49>> I believe all I said was that I didn't
4:07:51know
4:07:52>> okay
4:07:53>> what she had done.
4:07:54>> Um you said you said you postured that
4:07:56maybe it was uh for her Senate. I'm
4:07:58going to have one last question, Mr.
4:07:59Chairman, and and then you may take
4:08:01you'll take over. Um I believe you
4:08:03stated today on around and I know it's
4:08:04been a number of years on around 2008
4:08:07you ended uh or before that ended your
4:08:10any communication with Jeffrey Epstein.
4:08:11Correct. Around the time you got
4:08:13arrested or right beforehand.
4:08:14>> Um and he was arrested for um uh child
4:08:18sexual prostitution or you hiring girls
4:08:21for sex or one girl for sex. Correct.
4:08:23Roughly child sexual uh exploitation. If
4:08:27um if you were aware in 2008 that
4:08:28Jeffrey Epstein was having sex with kids
4:08:31um and you knew of his close association
4:08:33with Gain Maxwell, why would you still
4:08:36associate with Gain Maxwell who you
4:08:37dubbed essentially like your Doug Band?
4:08:39Your she was the body man to Epstein.
4:08:41Doug B was the body man to you. And why
4:08:42would you allow Gain Maxwell to
4:08:44associate with your daughter up until I
4:08:46don't 2004 2015?
4:08:49>> He knew he was a bad guy. Why would you
4:08:50allow your daughter
4:08:51>> Excuse me. What's the period in which
4:08:53you're saying he would have known that
4:08:54Jeffrey Epste
4:08:55>> after 2008. So up until Glenn Maxwell
4:08:57was involved with CGI until what 2015
4:09:00and we we confirmed today that he had a
4:09:02dinner with Gla Maxwell in LA in 2014.
4:09:04So he's still hanging out with a close
4:09:06associate the closest associate to
4:09:09convicted pedophile Jeffrey Epstein.
4:09:10>> But excuse me
4:09:12>> I guess my question is why?
4:09:13>> Yes the question excuse me is the
4:09:17question why William Maxwell came to the
4:09:19wedding. Is that the question?
4:09:20>> No that was I didn't even bring up the
4:09:21wedding. Okay.
4:09:22>> Why are you confiscating? Why are you
4:09:23putting words in my mouth? You're
4:09:25smarter than that.
4:09:26>> No, no. Thank you.
4:09:28>> I think
4:09:31first of all,
4:09:37when the wedding occurred,
4:09:43she was with Ted White
4:09:47and she was for several more years.
4:09:50We did not know
4:09:53when Epstein was arrested that she was
4:09:57still involved with him.
4:10:00>> I think that clears a lot of this up. We
4:10:02didn't know
4:10:04>> and
4:10:06I don't want all of you to get We're all
4:10:07getting in a ladder. There's a logical
4:10:09explanation. We didn't know.
4:10:13>> And
4:10:16>> I'm sorry for what she did and what she
4:10:19allowed her life to become. And now
4:10:21she's living with it.
4:10:22>> And I have one final short question. I
4:10:24promise I'm done. I was severely and
4:10:26heavily duped by an individual in my
4:10:28life about two and a half years ago.
4:10:29It's very publicly well known. Uh you
4:10:31graduated from Georgetown and Yale.
4:10:33Correct.
4:10:34>> Yeah. How do you think Galain Maxwell
4:10:36and Jeffrey Epstein dupe so many
4:10:38powerful and smart people uh fully
4:10:41connected powerful people all around the
4:10:43world?
4:10:47>> I really don't know
4:10:50but I don't know. I've thought about a
4:10:53lot president
4:10:55>> and if you can figure it out I'd like to
4:10:57know but
4:10:58>> thank you Mr. President and Mr.
4:10:59Chairman. I yield back.
4:11:08point of privilege.
4:11:09>> I would like to say
4:11:11since you made a great deal out of all
4:11:14this Ivy League stuff, I am also the
4:11:16last president
4:11:19ever to live in a place without indoor
4:11:21plumbing.
4:11:23There's a full statement which we'll be
4:11:25happy to provide for the record that it
4:11:27might be that Representative Mace is
4:11:29unaware of, but the full statement says
4:11:30President Clinton knows nothing about
4:11:31the terrible crimes Jeffrey Epson
4:11:33pleaded guilty to. Florida some years
4:11:35ago or those with which he's recently
4:11:37been charged in 2002. In 2003, President
4:11:40Clinton took a total of four trips on
4:11:41Jeffrey Epstein's airplane, one to
4:11:43Europe, one to Asia, two to Africa,
4:11:45which included stops in connection with
4:11:46the work of the Clinton Foundation staff
4:11:48and supporters. Secret Service detail
4:11:50traveled with him on his lip on his
4:11:52trips. He had one meeting with Epstein
4:11:54in his Harlem office 2002 around the
4:11:56same time he made a brief visit to New
4:11:57York. That was the full statement.
4:12:00Ms. Mace was selecting portions out of
4:12:03the statement or relying on an article
4:12:05which only shows certain portions of the
4:12:08full statement.
4:12:10>> Let's go.
4:12:11>> Miss Luna from Florida.
4:12:13>> Mr. President, I just wanted to do a
4:12:14couple of follow-ups. Um, regarding your
4:12:17personal conversations with me Mr.
4:12:19Epson, you said that he wanted to
4:12:21discuss economic and political
4:12:22questions.
4:12:24Was there ever a particular region of
4:12:26the world or topics that he wanted to
4:12:28reacress?
4:12:34I do remember
4:12:38that he was interested in
4:12:41the two places that I was setting up the
4:12:44AIDS work in Asia and Africa. In Asia,
4:12:47he wanted to know if I thought it was
4:12:49going to be the Asian century and the
4:12:52thing would be sustainable.
4:12:55And in Africa, he wanted to know whether
4:13:00I believe that you could have
4:13:02broad-based prosperity there, whether we
4:13:05they could achieve something that they
4:13:06had never achieved before.
4:13:08>> Um, it seems that Mr. Epstein also had
4:13:10asked a similar question about America's
4:13:13uh prosperity and economic policy. Did
4:13:16you feel that when he was asking
4:13:18questions particularly maybe pertaining
4:13:20to the regulation of our um of our stock
4:13:23market andor uh derivative trading
4:13:27did he on a number of occasions come
4:13:29back to that and maybe pick your brain
4:13:32about policy or future policy here in
4:13:34the United States?
4:13:37>> No more than any other big issue. I knew
4:13:40that.
4:13:41I mean, everybody lives in New York with
4:13:44money and it and look at he made his
4:13:46money
4:13:47>> advising Les Wexner, so he had to be
4:13:49interested in the markets.
4:13:51>> Okay. And then um I know that Galen was
4:13:53a little bit more probably chatty with
4:13:55you. Did she ever share a similar
4:13:57interest to Mr. Epstein on economics or
4:14:00political um topics of discussion? Were
4:14:03there any reoccurring topics that you
4:14:05felt that she wanted to focus on?
4:14:07>> Not that I noticed.
4:14:09Okay. All right. Thank you. Thank you,
4:14:10Mr. President.
4:14:11>> Thank you,
4:14:19>> Mr. President. We've covered a lot of
4:14:21topics today and I'm going to walk
4:14:24through some topics we've already
4:14:26covered. Just to ask some questions for
4:14:28clarification.
4:14:29>> Okay.
4:14:31>> First, during your relationship or the
4:14:34time that you knew Mr. Epstein. What did
4:14:37you understand his job to be?
4:14:45I'm not sure I knew. It was never clear
4:14:47to me,
4:14:52but he could have been living on
4:14:54investing the profits he'd already made.
4:14:57I knew he was a finance guy.
4:15:00And you just testify to Les Waxner being
4:15:04one of his clients.
4:15:07Did he ever make any other
4:15:08representations about who his clients
4:15:10were?
4:15:12>> No, but I never asked either.
4:15:17>> During the time that you knew him, did
4:15:19FC ever provide you with financial
4:15:21advice?
4:15:23>> No.
4:15:24>> Did he ever provide you with tax advice?
4:15:26>> No.
4:15:30Did you ever personally receive money
4:15:32from Mr. Epstein?
4:15:34>> No.
4:15:35>> Did Mr. Epstein ever loan you money in
4:15:37your personal capacity?
4:15:38>> Not to my knowledge.
4:15:40>> So to be clear,
4:15:42did you ever exchange money with Mr.
4:15:44Epstein?
4:15:46>> Not that I remember. I don't I don't
4:15:47believe I did.
4:15:54And throughout today's questioning, we
4:15:56talked about the various properties that
4:15:58Mr. Epstein owned. You testified to have
4:16:03uh visited the Manhattan townhouse. Is
4:16:05that right?
4:16:07>> Yes, I did go there once.
4:16:09>> And just for clarification,
4:16:12it's been reported and what we've seen
4:16:14from the files from the DOJ, Mr. Epstein
4:16:18decorated his home with creepy and
4:16:20disturbing artwork. Did you notice any
4:16:24unusual as far as his decor at his
4:16:27>> Keep in mind I was only on the
4:16:30first floor,
4:16:32ground floor. I did not see anything
4:16:35like that there
4:16:37in any of the rooms that I saw.
4:16:41>> It's been reported that Mr. Epstein
4:16:45had cameras on his premises. Did you
4:16:47notice anything any cameras on at the
4:16:51Manhattan townhouse?
4:16:52>> I didn't, but
4:16:55that may have been the whole point.
4:17:02>> Mr. Epste apparently rented a property
4:17:04in Boston at one point. Did he ever
4:17:06visit that property?
4:17:08>> No.
4:17:10>> Did you ever visit Mr. Epstein's
4:17:11apartment in Paris?
4:17:14>> No.
4:17:15>> Did Mr. Epste or Miss Maxwell ever
4:17:17invite you to his property in Paris?
4:17:20>> No.
4:17:26>> Did you ever visit Mr. Epste's home in
4:17:29Palm Beach?
4:17:30>> No.
4:17:31>> Were you ever invited by Epstein or
4:17:33Maxwell to visit the Palm Beach
4:17:35property?
4:17:36>> I don't think so.
4:17:37Did you ever visit Gla Maxwell's New
4:17:40York townhouse?
4:17:43>> No, I don't even know that I knew she
4:17:45had a townhouse.
4:17:52I knew about the the only thing that he
4:17:54ever said anything to me about Jeffrey
4:17:56was the New Mexico ranch and I never
4:17:59went there.
4:18:05>> Uh Did he invite you to the New Mexico
4:18:09ranch?
4:18:11>> Sort of.
4:18:12>> I mean, he was a little, you know, but I
4:18:16didn't go
4:18:20>> by then. I didn't go.
4:18:25>> Was there a reason?
4:18:26>> I don't remember, but I didn't. I think
4:18:28it was as we got closer to the end that
4:18:31he said something about it.
4:18:35>> Mr. president. In 2005, police in Palm
4:18:38Beach, Florida, began investigating
4:18:40Epstein. In July 2006, Epstein was
4:18:44arrested for the first time for
4:18:45soliciting prostitution for minors. For
4:18:48the record, prior to Mr. Epstein's
4:18:50arrest, were you aware of any
4:18:52investigation into Mr. Epstein?
4:18:54>> No.
4:18:56>> On October 20th of 2005, police executed
4:18:59a search warrant for Mr. Epstein's Palm
4:19:01Beach, Florida home.
4:19:03Palm Beach Detective Joseph Kerry spoke
4:19:06out about his belief that Epstein was
4:19:08tipped off about the raid since multiple
4:19:10computers expected to be at the house
4:19:12were missing when the search warrant was
4:19:15executed.
4:19:19To your knowledge,
4:19:21was Mr. Epstein tipped off about the
4:19:24October 20th search warrant in Palm
4:19:27Beach?
4:19:28>> I don't know.
4:19:31>> I don't know.
4:19:36It's the first I've heard of it.
4:19:39>> They're only asking for your knowledge,
4:19:41Mr.
4:19:52>> Mr. President, did you ever make any
4:19:55kind of attempt to influence the media's
4:19:58coverage of Jeffrey Epstein?
4:20:01>> No. At this time, I'd like to introduce
4:20:03what we've marked as majority exhibit
4:20:0623.
4:20:08And this is Bates number EFTA
4:20:1102792895.
4:20:21>> One page.
4:20:24>> Yes.
4:20:25>> Thank you.
4:20:27>> Who's I don't know who that is.
4:20:37And this is email from Virginia Duprey
4:20:40and Epstein victim that alleged that you
4:20:43walked into Vanity Fair and threatened
4:20:46them not to write sex trafficking
4:20:48articles about your good friend Jeffrey
4:20:51Epstein.
4:20:54Mr. President, is this true?
4:20:56>> No.
4:21:00And no,
4:21:04not no. Hell no. Not close. No.
4:21:10>> Why do you think Miss Juprey would make
4:21:12these claims?
4:21:12>> Are you asking him to have an opinion's
4:21:16point of mind? I just I can we can we
4:21:18not do that? Like asking about the facts
4:21:20that he knows as opposed to asking about
4:21:22the facts in other people's minds.
4:21:24>> Mr. President, have you ever asked any
4:21:27other publication to shut down a story
4:21:30related to Mr. Epstein?
4:21:31>> No.
4:21:34>> And by any other publication, council,
4:21:36he he's answered the question about
4:21:37Vanity Fair, correct?
4:21:39>> Yes.
4:21:41>> Absolutely. Didn't
4:21:43>> Okay.
4:21:43>> No.
4:21:45Hell no.
4:21:52>> Mr. President, did you ever advocate for
4:21:54or suggest leniency in Absen's case to
4:21:58any government officials, including
4:22:00those in the Department of Justice or
4:22:01Florida State Attorney's Office?
4:22:06>> On June 30th of 2008, Epstein pleaded
4:22:09guilty in Palm Beach County, Florida
4:22:11State Court to two felony charges, one
4:22:14count of solicitation of prostitution
4:22:16and one count of procurement of a person
4:22:19under 18 for prostitution. He was
4:22:22subsequently sentenced to 18 months in
4:22:24Florida County Jail and began serving
4:22:26his sentence on June 30th of 2008.
4:22:29To be clear, you have not had any direct
4:22:32contact with Epstein after his arrest in
4:22:352006. Is that right?
4:22:37>> That's correct.
4:22:39>> After his arrest or after the
4:22:40publication of of when he went to jail
4:22:42in 2008. Can you just clarify the dates
4:22:44there?
4:22:45>> I will ask another question. To be
4:22:48clear, you have not had any direct
4:22:49contact with Epstein after his arrest
4:22:52and when he was incarcerated in 2008.
4:22:55>> Yes, to the best of my memory, that's
4:22:57correct.
4:22:59>> Are you aware of any effort by Epstein
4:23:02to contact you while he was incarcerated
4:23:05in Florida?
4:23:05>> I'm not.
4:23:08>> Mr. President, who is Arnold Paul
4:23:10Prosperity?
4:23:13I think
4:23:15that he's a son
4:23:18of a guy I went to Georgetown with
4:23:23named Paul Prosperity.
4:23:27I think that's right. And I I saw in all
4:23:30these things that my staff gave me that
4:23:33he was mentioned, but
4:23:36I don't think anybody said anything to
4:23:37me. I had no memory of it.
4:23:43So, is it your testimony today that we
4:23:47and actually let me back up here. So,
4:23:51according to jail logs, Mr. Prosperity
4:23:54visited Epstein at least 20 times while
4:23:56Epstein was incarcerated in Palm Beach
4:23:58County jail between 2008 and 2009.
4:24:02Based on what you just said, is it your
4:24:07testimony that you believe that to be
4:24:09the son of the man you went to college
4:24:11with?
4:24:12>> It could be,
4:24:14but he didn't talk to me.
4:24:27Thank you, Mr. President. Uh, last week
4:24:31Lex Wexner testified that Jeffrey
4:24:33Epstein often named dropped powerful
4:24:35people to give himself an air of
4:24:37credibility. Did he ever do that to you?
4:24:40Brag about
4:24:42people he knew in high places, kings,
4:24:46princes?
4:24:46>> Yeah, he
4:24:49he did a little bit. Okay.
4:24:52Uh
4:24:54going back to what was mentioned earlier
4:24:57about the search warrant on October 20th
4:25:01in Palm Beach for Jeffrey Epstein. U
4:25:04Mrs. Clinton testified yesterday. I
4:25:06think she I think she mentioned that it
4:25:10appears he got a sweetheart plea deal
4:25:12and I don't think anyone on this
4:25:13committee would disagree with that when
4:25:15Alex Aosta was the US attorney down
4:25:17there and we've already deposed Mr. for
4:25:20Costa and we've got the transcripts,
4:25:22everything. Uh there's a lot of
4:25:25speculation as it been mentioned that
4:25:28that he may have been tipped off prior
4:25:30to the search warrant that Epstein may
4:25:33have been tipped off. Are you aware that
4:25:36whether or not Sandy Burger may have
4:25:38tipped off Jeffrey Epstein?
4:25:40>> The president just testified that he was
4:25:42unaware that anybody had been tipped
4:25:43off. So are you asking him to?
4:25:45>> This explains why I was asked yesterday
4:25:47about him. But no, I don't I know
4:25:50nothing about that and I wouldn't.
4:25:53>> And Mr. Epstein was indicted by a grand
4:25:57jury on July 19th, 2006.
4:26:01According to an IRS forum 990 filed by
4:26:04the COQ
4:26:06Foundation, a known Epstein entity, Mr.
4:26:09Epstein donated $25,000 to the William
4:26:13J. Clinton Foundation one day prior to
4:26:16Mr. Epstein's indictment. Are you aware
4:26:20of this donation?
4:26:22>> I know that they told me that the record
4:26:25showed that he'd given $25,000.
4:26:27>> When did you become aware of that, Mr.
4:26:29President? Were you aware of that then
4:26:30or in preparation?
4:26:30>> No. No. Now. I mean, when I was
4:26:32preparing for this?
4:26:34>> Yes, sir. Did you solicit that donation
4:26:37from Mr. Epstein?
4:26:39>> Not personally, I didn't know.
4:26:40>> Did someone else solicit it?
4:26:42>> I have no idea.
4:26:45Do you know why Mr. Epstein made that
4:26:47donation?
4:26:48>> He's asking you to speculate about what
4:26:49Mr. Epstein would be thinking.
4:26:51>> We try to raise a fair amount of money
4:26:53every year to pay the bills.
4:26:55It
4:26:55>> It seems to me that as investigators
4:26:58were narrowing in on Mr. Epstein, he may
4:27:00have been trying to earn some goodwill
4:27:03with you. What do you think about that?
4:27:06>> It wouldn't work.
4:27:07>> Right.
4:27:08Did it ever seem to you that Jeffrey
4:27:10Epstein was trying to suck up to you or
4:27:13get on your good side in order to
4:27:14further his schemes?
4:27:16>> No, I didn't think about it that way. I
4:27:18thought he wanted to do what he said,
4:27:21>> but he was, you know, very
4:27:23idiosyncratic.
4:27:24>> Right.
4:27:26After his arrest in 2006, did you have
4:27:29any further contact with Mr. Epstein?
4:27:31>> I don't believe I did. No.
4:27:33>> Did anyone affiliated with Epstein,
4:27:36including Mrs. Maxwell contact you on
4:27:38behalf of Jeffrey Epstein to discuss his
4:27:41arrest and the allegations against him?
4:27:43>> No.
4:27:45>> Did they ever ask either Jeffrey Epstein
4:27:49or Miss Maxwell ever ask you for their
4:27:51assistance once Epstein was in trouble?
4:27:56>> No.
4:27:58>> Or or once Miss Maxwell was in trouble?
4:28:02>> No.
4:28:04Did Jeffrey Epstein ever attempt to
4:28:06contact you while he was incarcerated in
4:28:08Florida?
4:28:10>> No,
4:28:10>> he didn't attempt ever to contact.
4:28:12>> Not as far as I know. No.
4:28:15>> Yesterday
4:28:17during the uh deposition of of Secretary
4:28:20Clinton, she suggested that we
4:28:24follow the money with that because
4:28:25there's a big question. How did he
4:28:27accumulate so much wealth? And I think
4:28:29you had testified earlier and if I'm
4:28:30wrong feel free to correct me that you
4:28:33didn't really know how he made his
4:28:35money. I mean he had a had big plane and
4:28:39uh
4:28:39>> I knew that he had made an extraordinary
4:28:42amount of money from Les Wexner who was
4:28:45quite wealthy. I had no idea
4:28:50whether he had made enough to support
4:28:52the lifestyle that I saw.
4:28:54>> And and I I assume you're aware Mr.
4:28:56Wexner testified under oath that he
4:28:59acted like he really didn't know Jeffrey
4:29:01Epstein very well and which is kind of
4:29:04hard to believe because he paid him a
4:29:06lot of money and
4:29:07>> Yeah. He made him
4:29:08>> Yeah.
4:29:09>> but you never know.
4:29:11>> Yeah.
4:29:12Well, one of the things when we when
4:29:15concluded the deposition yesterday, we
4:29:17asked Secretary Clinton's, you know, for
4:29:20for her advice moving forward in the
4:29:22investigation and with respect to a
4:29:25statement she said yesterday and was
4:29:26something that we've done on the
4:29:27committee, the the majority has done on
4:29:29the committee uh in the past, we
4:29:31followed the money. We've we've
4:29:33subpoenaed bank records. We've
4:29:34subpoenaed suspicious activity reports
4:29:36from Treasury. Those were some of the
4:29:38things Miss Clinton suggested. And in
4:29:42order to to do that, obviously we have
4:29:44to subpoena banks, specific banks for
4:29:47specific accounts. Do you ever recall in
4:29:50the conversations you had with Mr.
4:29:52Epstein any particular bank that he was
4:29:55affiliated with or any particular big
4:29:58banks that me? Maybe he had deals going?
4:30:02>> No, he never asked me about that.
4:30:06>> Okay.
4:30:10And with that, we can go off the record.
4:30:23We can go back on the record. Mr.
4:30:26President, I just wanted to clarify one
4:30:28thing from the previous round. Our
4:30:30understanding of your testimony today is
4:30:33that with respect to the dinner with
4:30:36Miss Maxwell in Los Angeles, you were
4:30:38not actually sure whether or not that
4:30:40dinner occurred.
4:30:42>> Is that correct?
4:30:43>> Is that correct?
4:30:44>> That is correct.
4:30:46>> Thank you.
4:30:47As we start to close, is there anything
4:30:49you would like to add or clarify about
4:30:52what you've said here today?
4:30:55Well,
4:30:56>> you're good.
4:30:57>> I think we're fine. I u
4:31:03I'm struggling
4:31:06because it's hard to know exactly what I
4:31:08knew when I knew it given what I've
4:31:11learned since.
4:31:13It's become a kind of a compelling
4:31:16challenge, but I've tried to tell you
4:31:19what I knew then and
4:31:23when you ask what I think now.
4:31:26I think you have
4:31:29all of you, Mr. Chairman, you've had a a
4:31:34chronologically challenging thing.
4:31:38You've got all the stuff that happened
4:31:40with Jeffrey Epstein, some of it as
4:31:43regards President Trump going back to
4:31:44the late 90s,
4:31:46and that's a long time ago. And then
4:31:50what we learn later, it's it's been
4:31:52difficult, but I have
4:31:55enjoyed it. You've been very respectful
4:31:59to me and given me a chance to talk to
4:32:00you.
4:32:01>> Well, we thank you for your time.
4:32:02>> I wish you well. I I still will say if
4:32:06you can think of some things to do that
4:32:10will reduce the incidence of trafficking
4:32:13in America.
4:32:18And
4:32:21it should be possible for us to
4:32:23virtually eliminate underage
4:32:27abuse. It should be. We just got to
4:32:31figure out what kind of technology we
4:32:33need and what kind of policies. So,
4:32:36thank you.
4:32:38>> And the answers that you've provided
4:32:41today are to the best of your
4:32:42recollection. Is that correct? Yeah,
4:32:44there the answers I provided today are
4:32:47what I believed
4:32:50at the time and what I think was in my
4:32:52heart I
4:32:55including about previous testimony.
4:32:58>> Great. Thank you. Unless there's
4:32:59anything else you would like to share,
4:33:01we can go off the record.

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