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- 0:05The Dragon Duo, I'm Chen Er-long.
- 0:07>> I'm Chen Pang.
- 0:08>> I’m here to set the trend.
- 0:09>> I’m here to follow the trend,
- 0:11>> so you don't lose your way. Alright,
- 0:12now there are actually several major
- 0:14world events waiting for the conclusion
- 0:16of a few elections. Of course, after
- 0:19the Israeli parliamentary election
- 0:21concludes tonight, it might not be
- 0:23settled immediately. Because Israeli
- 0:27elections are unique, once the voting
- 0:29is over, small parties abound. So,
- 0:32through various alliances, which party
- 0:34will ultimately lead, and who will be
- 0:36the final Prime Minister? As things
- 0:40stand, we are watching to see if
- 0:42Netanyahu can continue to be re-elected
- 0:44. Additionally, the November 3rd
- 0:47midterms, US time, will actually have a
- 0:49significant impact on the world as well
- 0:52. Well, let’s start with the US
- 0:56midterms, as everyone is concerned
- 0:57about the House and Senate—whether
- 0:59the Democrats will lead or the
- 1:01Republicans can maintain their lead.
- 1:06But no one has really considered that
- 1:07after the November 3rd election
- 1:09concludes, Trump might just be getting
- 1:11ready to flex his muscles on the
- 1:12international stage. At that point,
- 1:20including the China-US-Russia summit,
- 1:22the conflict between the US and Iran,
- 1:24the Russia-Ukraine war, and also the
- 1:26situation in the Taiwan Strait, will
- 1:28all of these become the most focused
- 1:30topics after the US election? We have
- 1:38invited two guests today; the first is
- 1:40General Shuai Hua-ming.
- 1:43>> Hello, everyone.
- 1:44>> Alright, moving on, the second guest is
- 1:46Han Bing, who is joining our show for
- 1:48the first time. Hello, Han.
- 1:50>> Hello, host, and hello everyone. Right,
- 1:52let’s start with the US election.
- 1:55Will the US Congress change? So, this
- 1:59situation might affect several of
- 2:01Trump’s key foreign policies moving
- 2:03forward. Of course, these foreign
- 2:07policies involve the US House of
- 2:09Representatives. If the Democrats win
- 2:13the majority, they could block Trump on
- 2:15budget issues, but most of these
- 2:17diplomatic powers are still in Trump's
- 2:19hands. So, how should we view the
- 2:23impact of this congressional shift on
- 2:25Trump’s foreign policy? It is now
- 2:29certain that Trump will likely lose
- 2:31control of the House, meaning he will
- 2:32lose control of the budget. However,
- 2:36regarding the Senate, there is now over
- 2:39a 60%chance he will lose control, yet
- 2:41there is still about a 30%to 40%chance
- 2:44he can hold onto it. How will this part
- 2:47affect his "three-way split" of power
- 2:49later on? Indeed, we are observing
- 2:51several critical developments involving
- 2:54the U.S., Russia, and Ukraine, foremost
- 2:56being the ongoing war. Now, a
- 2:58tripartite discussion between the U.S.,
- 3:00Russia, and Ukraine has been confirmed.
- 3:02Since both Russia and Ukraine have
- 3:04confirmed, the timing will likely be in
- 3:06early November, immediately following
- 3:08the U.S. congressional elections. At
- 3:13the same time, we see Zelenskyy
- 3:15starting to set conditions, though I am
- 3:17uncertain whether he can truly
- 3:19negotiate, as he says, "If I cannot
- 3:21recover my current territory in the
- 3:23short term, I would accept a temporary
- 3:25freeze." But then he follows up by
- 3:29saying, "I absolutely cannot give up my
- 3:31land." This inconsistency raises the
- 3:34question of how much he can secure for
- 3:36Ukraine's interests, which remains a
- 3:38point to watch in this war.
- 3:42Additionally, regarding the situation
- 3:44between the U.S. and Iran, we hear that
- 3:46the U.S. military has prepared plans
- 3:48for a large-scale strike on Iran, and
- 3:50Trump may order it after the midterms.
- 3:56Recently, reports from sources like CNN
- 3:58and the New York Times suggest that
- 4:00once the midterms are over, Trump will
- 4:02take decisive action against Iran.
- 4:08However, this potential action also
- 4:10depends on observing the post-election
- 4:12situation in Israel to determine what
- 4:14the reality on the ground will be.
- 4:21Meanwhile, Tehran—or Iran—has taken
- 4:23the lead by inviting Pakistan, Turkey,
- 4:26and Saudi Arabia—three nations
- 4:28involved in the Abraham Accords—to
- 4:30Tehran for discussions. What are they
- 4:36discussing? Theoretically, it likely
- 4:38isn't about U.S.-Iran relations, but
- 4:40perhaps they are discussing Saudi
- 4:42Arabia and the Houthi organization in
- 4:45Yemen? So, what is the result?
- 4:47According to Ali Shamkhani, Secretary
- 4:49of Iran's Supreme National Security
- 4:51Council, they reached a consensus that
- 4:53regional security should be the
- 4:55responsibility of the nations in this
- 4:57region. What does this signify?
- 5:00Furthermore, the probability of a
- 5:02China-U.S. -Russia summit being held in
- 5:07Shenzhen is increasing, as Russia has
- 5:09signaled that mainland China has also
- 5:11begun to adopt a more proactive stance.
- 5:17Just at this moment, we see Trump
- 5:19lashing out at Taiwan again, claiming
- 5:21that Taiwan stole his chip industry.
- 5:25How should we view this? Will this
- 5:29election change Trump's diplomatic
- 5:31agenda, or will his agenda officially
- 5:33commence after the election concludes?
- 5:37>> Essentially, this election dictates his
- 5:39control over the budget. And control
- 5:41over the budget determines whether his
- 5:43military expansion plans face
- 5:45challenges.
- 5:45>> Hmm.
- 5:46>> Trump won't be much constrained when it
- 5:48comes to diplomatic power. Because the
- 5:50power of the U.S. President is quite
- 5:52vast, and he has never been one to
- 5:54admit defeat; he even stirred up
- 5:56trouble during the last congressional
- 5:58election. You see, he's already laying
- 6:00the groundwork now, claiming that two
- 6:02people with the same name on a ballot
- 6:04could cause issues.
- 6:05>> Oh, he is Alaska-ing.
- 6:07>> Yes, he's just laying the groundwork.
- 6:10Second, regarding his personality, I
- 6:12don't think he will follow the
- 6:13tradition of U.S. Presidents respecting
- 6:16the opinions of the two houses of
- 6:18Congress, so I suspect he might take
- 6:20shortcuts on tariffs, and that won't
- 6:22stop. The point isn't here, so what is
- 6:25the point? What does the United States
- 6:27want? And what does China want? What
- 6:30does Russia want?
- 6:35>> This tripartite meeting is the main
- 6:37event; as for Israel's elections, as
- 6:39long as it's not Netanyahu, no new
- 6:40leader would advocate for a joint
- 6:42strike with the U.S. that is like an
- 6:44epoch-making attack. Because military
- 6:50personnel are always like this:
- 6:51regardless of whether there are orders
- 6:53to fight or not, my operational plans
- 6:55must be ready.
- 6:57>> Mm.
- 7:00>> Therefore, the U.S. Department of
- 7:02Defense definitely has plans for an
- 7:03attack on Iran, but the inherent
- 7:05limitation is that the Army cannot
- 7:07intervene, so it relies on the Navy and
- 7:09Air Force, whose strength hasn't
- 7:10increased significantly, and their
- 7:12ammunition reserves aren't enough to
- 7:14support a so-called epoch-making mass
- 7:15bombardment. It's very likely that
- 7:20after putting on a show, Trump will
- 7:21declare victory and withdraw; whether
- 7:23this withdrawal happens depends on the
- 7:25tripartite meeting. Because everyone
- 7:28enters the tripartite meeting with
- 7:30different themes in mind. The U.S. says
- 7:32, "In this tripartite meeting, the
- 7:34first item is to discuss nuclear arms
- 7:36limitation negotiations." This is
- 7:38impossible; only you and Russia would
- 7:40sign it, China definitely won't sign it
- 7:42with you. You and Russia have five or
- 7:45six thousand nuclear warheads, while
- 7:47China has fewer than 1,000; if you
- 7:49limit me, how can I maintain a nuclear
- 7:51balance in the future? So, this is the
- 7:55U.S.'s entry ticket that is announced
- 7:57publicly, but the secret meetings
- 7:59internally likely involve much more
- 8:01than that; Russia wants to end the
- 8:03Russia-Ukraine war immediately, lift
- 8:04all sanctions, and allow Russian oil to
- 8:06sell globally so they can recover their
- 8:08economy. Moreover, there is still room
- 8:13for negotiation with the U.S. regarding
- 8:15the ceasefire conditions. The U.S.
- 8:17certainly hopes for a ceasefire in the
- 8:19Russia-Ukraine war now. If it doesn't
- 8:23stop, their energy crisis will continue
- 8:25, so this is the moment for the U.S.
- 8:27and Russia to decide the future status
- 8:29of Zelenskyy and Ukraine; Ukraine
- 8:30doesn't really have any bargaining
- 8:32conditions. Realistically, you can't
- 8:37force Russia to retreat from the
- 8:39territories it occupies.
- 8:41>> Mm.
- 8:42>> As for the 20%that isn't occupied, it's
- 8:45up to Ukraine whether it wants to let
- 8:47it go. Perhaps Russia will concede, not
- 8:49by declaring it Russian territory.
- 8:53Letting Donetsk become an independent
- 8:55state, these are all matters for
- 8:56negotiation. Mainland China has only
- 8:59one issue, which is the Taiwan issue.
- 9:03So, you see, why did Trump talk about
- 9:05Taiwan stealing its chips before
- 9:07leaving?
- 9:10>> Why at that time?
- 9:12>> Because if you want Trump to say "I
- 9:14abandon Taiwan" or "I oppose Taiwan
- 9:16independence" before the election, he
- 9:19can't say it. This would affect the
- 9:22Republican and Democratic elections, so
- 9:24he was vague; privately he might say he
- 9:26doesn't support it, but publicly he
- 9:28never said it. Now the election is over
- 9:32and the dust has settled, the "no-worse
- 9:34" scenario is just like this. Now that
- 9:37Mainland China demands you state you
- 9:38don't support Taiwan independence, he
- 9:40might loosen his stance. Otherwise, for
- 9:42China, it's like: you come to my place
- 9:45for a meeting, what do I get out of it?
- 9:49The third theme for China is economic
- 9:50and trade, as I want global trade; so
- 9:52the basic agendas of the three
- 9:54countries meeting are quite different.
- 9:58That is to reach a compromise within
- 10:00this meeting. Where to concede, where
- 10:02to push—some things are done without
- 10:04being said, some are said without being
- 10:06done; this is the result of a
- 10:07tripartite meeting. But the three
- 10:10countries partitioning the world's
- 10:12spheres of influence must already have
- 10:14a tacit understanding: you don't touch
- 10:16my area, and I don't touch yours. These
- 10:20three will surely reach a framework
- 10:22agreement privately, whether it's
- 10:23verbal or something else. As for the
- 10:29issues involving Iran, Saudi Arabia,
- 10:31and the Houthis, Turkey and Pakistan
- 10:33have so far remained at the level of
- 10:35protecting Saudi security. They haven't
- 10:40sent troops to engage the Houthis, and
- 10:42the Saudi air force and the Yemeni
- 10:44government forces have fought for a
- 10:45long time without a result. Now, it's
- 10:49rather the movements of the Houthis and
- 10:51Iran that matter. Iran's stance is: if
- 10:54you continue to act like that. My next
- 10:58step will be all AI equipment in Gulf
- 11:00countries. Even cutting fiber optics;
- 11:06so this interacts with the U.S. strike,
- 11:08you will pay the price.
- 11:11>> Are the Gulf countries willing to
- 11:13accept this? You, the U.S., can do it.
- 11:15>> But if you act this way, Gulf countries
- 11:17...
- 11:17>> It is the Gulf countries that suffer
- 11:19the losses. My AI is hit, oil pipelines
- 11:22and refining equipment, my property
- 11:24losses are immeasurable; so the U.S.
- 11:26must consider the needs of the Gulf
- 11:28states before deciding whether to
- 11:29launch a major attack on Iran. Because
- 11:35Iran has also shown its hand: if you
- 11:37launch a strike, I will bomb all the
- 11:39Gulf countries, so the U.S. military
- 11:41bases in the Gulf are now vulnerable.
- 11:46Countries like Saudi Arabia, Bahrain,
- 11:48and Qatar have completely lost
- 11:50confidence in your protection, so the
- 11:52U.S. must consider diplomatically
- 11:54whether bombing Iran means losing
- 11:55Middle Eastern trust and reliance
- 11:57forever. This is a question the U.S.
- 12:01has to weigh.
- 12:03>> So, General, do you think that despite
- 12:05all the reports suggesting the U.S.
- 12:07military is preparing for a
- 12:08larger-scale attack on Iran, it will
- 12:11likely turn out to be all thunder and
- 12:13no rain?
- 12:14>> Of course, just think about it. If you
- 12:16want to take action against Iran to
- 12:18solve the problem, if you don't send in
- 12:19the Army, all you're doing is bombing;
- 12:21their military and nuclear facilities
- 12:23are all underground.
- 12:24>> And right now, there’s no sign that
- 12:26the U.S. can mobilize its ground forces
- 12:27.
- 12:27>> No, because for the U.S. Army to
- 12:29mobilize—I participated in many
- 12:30studies back then. Preparing to fight
- 12:32Iraq took six months.
- 12:34>> Uh-huh.
- 12:35>> Because the U.S. regular military
- 12:37cannot tolerate heavy casualties, and
- 12:39to invade a land-based country, they
- 12:41prepared 580,000 troops for Iraq. How
- 12:45many would you need to mobilize to
- 12:46fight Iran today? Currently, the total
- 12:49U.S. garrison across all bases in the
- 12:51Gulf is less than 50,000. I ask you,
- 12:54where are the backup troops?
- 12:56>> Because the U.S. military is very
- 12:58cautious about overseas operations, its
- 13:01standing army isn't large, and its
- 13:03garrisons are even smaller. They must
- 13:06mobilize the National Guard and all
- 13:08Reserve components, then send them to
- 13:11Fort Irwin for live-fire exercises, as
- 13:13they don't usually have many
- 13:14opportunities.
- 13:15>> Joint live-fire exercises for all three
- 13:17branches.
- 13:18>> It's essentially pre-war training.
- 13:20>> They must train before heading out.
- 13:21When you go to a Middle Eastern country
- 13:23, you have to be taught everything—
- 13:25whether to eat with your right hand or
- 13:27left hand, how to use the restroom,
- 13:29even how many liters of water to drink
- 13:30a day is strictly regulated.
- 13:32>> Because it involves the climate.
- 13:34>> Yes, that’s called theater life and
- 13:36climate adjustment, which takes a month
- 13:38. So that adds up to five months, plus
- 13:40sea transport of troops takes at least
- 13:42another month.
- 13:43>> So, if you look at this issue, the
- 13:45current rhetoric simply cannot be
- 13:47backed up by their capabilities. So,
- 13:49regarding the air and naval strikes,
- 13:51you already carried out an "epic"
- 13:53attack last time; how much ammunition
- 13:55do you have left? Of course, the
- 13:57Department of Defense and every
- 13:59official has to say, "I can support
- 14:00Trump in launching a major war." We
- 14:02should pragmatically calculate how much
- 14:04ammunition you have and how much your
- 14:06navy and air force have remaining.
- 14:07>> How many troops do you really have left
- 14:09at your Gulf bases? Aside from your
- 14:13trump cards like the B-2 and B-1
- 14:14long-range strategic bombers, you
- 14:16really don't have much else, and not
- 14:18much chance of success. So, what the
- 14:24President says and what the Department
- 14:26of Defense says may appear consistent
- 14:28on the surface, but having a wish
- 14:29doesn't mean you can achieve it. Your
- 14:33expectations do not equate to your
- 14:34capabilities. Alright, so Hanbing, we
- 14:37see that regarding these three areas,
- 14:39everyone is actually just waiting for
- 14:41the U.S. congressional elections to
- 14:43conclude. Once the results are clear,
- 14:45Trump will likely have a better sense
- 14:47of what he can accomplish regarding
- 14:49both domestic and international issues.
- 14:52He is waiting, but in this process of
- 14:54waiting, a China-U.S. -Russia summit
- 14:58now seems almost certain, with a
- 15:00probability of over 80%, because the
- 15:02message recently released by Russia is
- 15:04that mainland China has become more
- 15:07proactive. So Russia is the most
- 15:10proactive, the U.S. is cooperating, and
- 15:12if mainland China is now willing as
- 15:14well, then it looks like there is a
- 15:16very high chance. However, there are
- 15:18three main issues: the Russia-Ukraine
- 15:19war comes first, with the U.S., Russia,
- 15:21and Ukraine talking first, because
- 15:22Ukraine said if you want to talk, then
- 15:24I might as well talk with you all first
- 15:26. As for the Iran issue, General Shu
- 15:28analyzed it the most clearly just now.
- 15:30The U.S. talks tough on the surface,
- 15:32but if you take stock of the military
- 15:34situation, you realize they are
- 15:36completely powerless to act. Therefore,
- 15:38regarding Iran, in the aftermath, one
- 15:40can only let it slowly wind down.
- 15:42Although we see tension recently, Iran
- 15:44now looks calm and composed. Beyond
- 15:47verbal threats, they can even mediate
- 15:49between Saudi Arabia and the Houthis,
- 15:52which shows that Iran currently has an
- 15:54air of confidence. Ironically, the
- 15:56quietest place is the Taiwan Strait. So
- 15:58, how do you evaluate the possible
- 16:00foreign strategies and tactics Trump
- 16:02might adopt after this U.S. midterm
- 16:05election? In fact, it currently looks
- 16:07like the world is gradually heading
- 16:09toward a point where the U.S., China,
- 16:11and Russia are starting to reconstruct
- 16:13a new international order and landscape
- 16:15. There was even news today suggesting
- 16:17that the U.S., Russia, and mainland
- 16:19China are preparing to jointly nominate
- 16:21Hungarian Prime Minister Orbán for UN
- 16:24Secretary-General. This is very
- 16:25outrageous; in the past, many people
- 16:28would have found it unthinkable. Right,
- 16:31and for the UN Secretary-General
- 16:32position, they have already gone
- 16:34through many rounds of mock voting
- 16:36internally.
- 16:37>> Yes, yes, yes. So the U.S. side now
- 16:40believes that if Orbán is put forward
- 16:42and China and Russia also support him,
- 16:44he could get at least 8 to 10 votes.
- 16:46With a total of only 15 Security
- 16:48Council members, that would basically
- 16:50be enough to pass. Who could have
- 16:52imagined in the past that they would
- 16:54actually join forces to push a person
- 16:56like Orbán forward? Bennett is someone
- 16:58we all know; to a certain extent, he's
- 17:00a bit like Trump, and he’s also
- 17:02fiercely independent. Yes, exactly, so
- 17:04you’d find it incredible that the
- 17:06U.S. actually agreed to such a thing.
- 17:08So, has Trump already held in-depth
- 17:10consultations with Putin and Xi Jinping
- 17:13, deciding that the future will be
- 17:15determined by our three countries,
- 17:17casting aside past conventions and
- 17:19organizations to just get things done?
- 17:22If that’s the case, many
- 17:23considerations of interest and the
- 17:25international landscape would likely be
- 17:27quite different. You can see that Trump
- 17:29still supports Netanyahu, hoping he can
- 17:31continue and get re-elected, but
- 17:33Netanyahu’s re-election is a tough
- 17:35fight. Why? Current estimates generally
- 17:37put his chance of re-election at 26%to
- 17:4029%.
- 17:40>> That’s actually not a very high
- 17:42probability.
- 17:43>> However, the opposition coalition also
- 17:46lacks the clear path to an outright
- 17:48victory, so the final outcome might
- 17:50depend on subsequent alliances formed
- 17:52after the election. We aren’t certain
- 17:55about this right now, but it’s
- 17:57generally considered unlikely. With
- 17:59Trump stepping in now, I honestly
- 18:01wonder if he realizes whether his
- 18:03endorsement is an antidote or a poison
- 18:05for Netanyahu. This is actually hard to
- 18:07say. Why? Because recently, Trump has
- 18:09been touring the U.S. to campaign. But
- 18:11his own approval rating is only just
- 18:13over 30%. Under these circumstances,
- 18:15whether his involvement is good or bad
- 18:17is really hard to say. I feel the whole
- 18:21situation is very strange, and I
- 18:23personally think Trump knows deep down
- 18:25that the midterms might not go as he
- 18:27expects, so he’s likely preparing—
- 18:29for instance, by claiming he might
- 18:31launch a new round of bombing against
- 18:33Iran after the midterms. But as General
- 18:37Shui just analyzed, regardless of your
- 18:39troop numbers there or your ammunition
- 18:41reserves, and to put it bluntly,
- 18:43you’ve already withdrawn your B-1
- 18:45bombers back to the U.S. That's right.
- 18:47>> So, how much capacity do you really
- 18:49have to bomb Iran? It’s likely that
- 18:51even if he does, it will just be a
- 18:53superficial, symbolic gesture—a way
- 18:55to say, "I bombed them, I didn't just
- 18:57sit by." Instead, Iran has become more
- 18:59aggressive lately; they announced a
- 19:01while ago, "Don't mess around, or I'll
- 19:04cut your undersea cables directly."
- 19:06Yeah, and now the US talks about
- 19:07attacking Iran, and Iran immediately
- 19:09says that seven Middle Eastern
- 19:11countries will become its targets.
- 19:12>> Mm-hmm.
- 19:13>> So it turns out that Iran actually
- 19:15looks stronger than the US, and in this
- 19:17situation, I personally think for Trump
- 19:20, he might need Putin to help him deal
- 19:22with the Iran problem. And regarding
- 19:25Ukraine, does it now mean that Putin
- 19:27would really want an immediate
- 19:28ceasefire? I’m afraid that’s not
- 19:31necessarily the case. Why? Zelenskyy
- 19:33might want a quick ceasefire because he
- 19:34knows Europe is currently dealing with
- 19:36its own backyard fires, and the US
- 19:37doesn't seem willing to help him. He
- 19:39might hope that instead of letting this
- 19:41drag on, it would be better to
- 19:43negotiate a result now, but for Putin,
- 19:44if you are only willing to freeze the
- 19:46conflict, that’s not necessarily what
- 19:48I want.
- 19:49>> He thinks it’s not enough.
- 19:50>> Right, he might want more. So I don’t
- 19:52think Putin is necessarily willing to
- 19:54stop right now. As for mainland China,
- 19:56in principle, it doesn't intervene in
- 19:58the Middle East or in Russia-Ukraine.
- 19:59But for them, they also hope to gain
- 20:01maximum benefits for China during this
- 20:03process, at least by elevating their
- 20:05international status further. So I
- 20:06think the three-party meeting in
- 20:08Shenzhen, although the Chinese side
- 20:10hasn't confirmed it yet, it’s
- 20:12probably almost certain. It should be.
- 20:14For China, this is also an opportunity,
- 20:16and since it’s on their home turf,
- 20:18they can play it better. So I
- 20:20personally believe China would want to
- 20:22take this opportunity to establish a
- 20:24mechanism with Russia and the US to
- 20:26potentially dominate the future
- 20:27direction of the world. If that happens
- 20:31, I would be very worried. Why? Because
- 20:33when we listen to what Trump says, he
- 20:35claims that if it weren’t for past
- 20:37presidents being stupid, if the US had
- 20:39a smart president, there would be no
- 20:41problems between mainland China and
- 20:43Taiwan at all. What does that mean?
- 20:45Actually, I specifically noted it after
- 20:47he called Taiwan a chip thief. So what
- 20:49does that mean? It means that if the US
- 20:51hadn't let Taiwan produce chips in the
- 20:53first place. Then he could discard
- 20:55Taiwan at any time, and that is a
- 20:56terrifying thought. Of course, I
- 20:58don’t know if that’s what he meant,
- 21:00but the fact that he said it makes me
- 21:02very worried. So how he thinks is one
- 21:05thing, but through his thoughts and the
- 21:07words he says, he has already given us
- 21:09many reasons to worry about how he
- 21:11views the cross-strait situation. It
- 21:13seems that regarding the status quo of
- 21:15the cross-strait issue, he is actually
- 21:17more inclined toward Beijing. It really
- 21:19looks like he has been well-educated by
- 21:21Xi Jinping, doesn't it?
- 21:22>> Did you just say that? What he said
- 21:25before was to deal with the issues of
- 21:26the Republicans and Democrats.
- 21:29>> Now he is saying that Taiwan stole my
- 21:31chips. And the next sentence, which he
- 21:33hasn't said yet, is that I’ve already
- 21:35moved Taiwan’s chips back to the U.S.
- 21:37, TSMC is back, and they are continuing
- 21:39to return. So what value is left for
- 21:41Taiwan? Nothingness, there’s nothing
- 21:43left.
- 21:44>> If you’re talking about using them to
- 21:47exhaust mainland China, Taiwan's
- 21:48military forces are just not up to the
- 21:50task. He has already shifted his focus
- 21:53to Japan; as for Taiwan, he's now
- 21:55charging you for arms sales and TSMC
- 21:57continues to relocate. Once that’s
- 22:01finished, you’ll have no significance
- 22:03to the U.S., so he is slowly dissolving
- 22:05the momentum of Republican and
- 22:07Democratic support for Taiwan. So many
- 22:11things were said but not done, and now
- 22:14things are said but he won’t act, or
- 22:16his next move...arms sales are just a
- 22:18fishing float. So, we see these three
- 22:23aspects, including Ukraine, which I
- 22:25think is the most transparent. As for
- 22:29the U.S. and Iran, it’s more of an
- 22:31ongoing public matter that everyone is
- 22:33aware of, with a lot of rhetoric, but
- 22:35the substantive actions don't
- 22:36necessarily align with the rhetoric.
- 22:40However, what’s actually hidden
- 22:41beneath the surface is Taiwan, because
- 22:43he can't say it before the election,
- 22:45but that doesn't mean Trump won't do it
- 22:47after the election. So, Xianglin, how
- 22:50do you see this election? What kind of
- 22:53impact will it have on Trump's
- 22:55diplomatic strategy? Actually, what I
- 22:58just mentioned about China, the U.S.,
- 23:00and Russia currently brewing a plan to
- 23:02nominate the former Hungarian prime
- 23:04minister for UN Secretary-General is
- 23:06quite alarming. I don't think the
- 23:11probability is high, because currently,
- 23:13for those who have been nominated, I
- 23:15recall there have already been five or
- 23:17six rounds of voting, and according to
- 23:19regional consensus, it should be Latin
- 23:21America's turn this time. So, it’s
- 23:26hard to imagine it being the Hungarian
- 23:28candidate. But with Trump, in this
- 23:30world, never say never. Feng-hsin
- 23:33mentioned a key point: the current UN
- 23:36Secretary-General, Guterres, is of
- 23:38Portuguese descent.
- 23:40>> Hmm.
- 23:41>> That is an unwritten rule of the UN
- 23:43that everyone follows—the rotation
- 23:45among regions. You can see that all the
- 23:49contenders now are almost entirely from
- 23:51Latin America. For this UN
- 23:54Secretary-General selection, besides
- 23:56focusing on Latin America...And
- 23:58secondly, it must be a woman. So, the
- 24:02direction of electing a Latin American
- 24:04woman is more or less set. So, whenever
- 24:07there’s a race for UN
- 24:09Secretary-General, the same issue
- 24:11always comes up. These five permanent
- 24:13members each have their own interests,
- 24:15and they just dig in their heels until
- 24:17the very end, when they finally try to
- 24:19coordinate. But in the end, there will
- 24:21always be someone, though it definitely
- 24:23won’t be the Australian one. No,
- 24:25because the voting process there is
- 24:26interesting. There are 15 council
- 24:29members: the five permanent members
- 24:31plus nine non-permanent members, but
- 24:34the permanent members have veto power.
- 24:36>> Yeah, exactly. That’s why I’m
- 24:38saying it ultimately comes down to
- 24:40those permanent members. Either you
- 24:42cast an abstention, or you coordinate
- 24:44to come up with an acceptable candidate
- 24:46. But, as I’ve said before, I don’t
- 24:49analyze Trump because Trump is a talk
- 24:51show host. He basically has to ensure
- 24:55there’s a punchline every minute to
- 24:57keep the audience entertained. But once
- 25:00the fun is over, you know, what a talk
- 25:02show host says really isn't that
- 25:04important. Only in Taiwan do people
- 25:06take it so seriously; elsewhere, it’s
- 25:09mostly not the point. Trump maintains
- 25:12that tone, but we must not
- 25:13underestimate the shift in America’s
- 25:15political atmosphere. The political
- 25:18climate has changed significantly. In
- 25:21the past, for every leader, regardless
- 25:23of who they were, the midterm election
- 25:25was almost certainly going to be a loss
- 25:28. As for leaders who didn't lose the
- 25:30midterms, Clinton’s second term is
- 25:32about the only one. The others,
- 25:34basically, they either lost big or they
- 25:36lost small.
- 25:39>> Right, so after losing the majority in
- 25:41the Senate or House, there wasn't a
- 25:43huge shock because, in the past, you
- 25:45didn’t see such aggressive American
- 25:47leaders. Moreover, the two chambers
- 25:52weren't as sharply polarized in the
- 25:54past, and the two parties weren't so
- 25:56divided that even some bipartisan bills
- 25:58couldn't pass. That didn't happen
- 26:02before, but in the Trump era, it does.
- 26:04>> Mm. Trump’s own personality has
- 26:08completely polarized American two-party
- 26:10politics, making it difficult for the
- 26:12bipartisan establishment to function.
- 26:16In the past, the establishment could be
- 26:18effective because it had the ability to
- 26:20secure votes across party lines within
- 26:22the two-party system. That’s why he
- 26:26calls it the "deep state"—because it
- 26:28was able to operate across party lines
- 26:30in Congress. But with Trump's
- 26:34personality, it will become
- 26:35increasingly difficult for him to
- 26:37operate across party lines in Congress.
- 26:41We cannot underestimate that after this
- 26:43election, Trump's personality will lead
- 26:45to two things; the first is a split
- 26:47within the Republican Party. Because
- 26:52some of the candidates he strongly
- 26:53pushed and favored are currently not
- 26:55polling well. Right.
- 26:58>> Including places like Ohio or Texas. In
- 27:02Ohio, Ramaswamy, who we mentioned
- 27:04before, competed against Trump for the
- 27:06presidential nomination and is an
- 27:08important Indian-American donor for the
- 27:11GOP. He’s young and from the tech
- 27:14industry, but he is currently trailing
- 27:16far behind; it doesn’t look like he
- 27:18has much of a chance to win. It’s the
- 27:21same in Texas, because these are people
- 27:23Trump handpicked, so it will lead to a
- 27:25split in the Republican Party. After
- 27:27the election, I believe there will be a
- 27:29strong backlash within the Republican
- 27:31Party. If the election results match
- 27:34the polls, once it's over, the first
- 27:36thing is a backlash; a split within the
- 27:38Republican Party is bound to happen.
- 27:41The second thing is not to
- 27:42underestimate the power of the Senate
- 27:44and the House. In the past, because
- 27:47partisan conflict wasn't as intense as
- 27:49a "fight to the death," the fundamental
- 27:52powers between the Senate and the House
- 27:54didn't matter as much, but in the
- 27:56current climate, they exert huge
- 27:58influence. We look at the U.S. House of
- 28:04Representatives; because it represents
- 28:06the people and is based on population,
- 28:08I think everyone should pay attention
- 28:10to the House, as it has two most
- 28:12important powers. One is that the power
- 28:17to initiate all fiscal and tax increase
- 28:19bills belongs solely to the House of
- 28:21Representatives.
- 28:25>> So, if the president says "I want to
- 28:27raise taxes" or "I want to increase
- 28:29spending," it doesn't start from the
- 28:31White House; they must utilize their
- 28:33majority in Congress. Therefore, when
- 28:37they lose the House, they essentially
- 28:39lose the power over taxation, including
- 28:41the ability to raise or cut taxes.
- 28:44>> Right.
- 28:45>> Does this cause significant damage to
- 28:47his term? Actually, for someone like
- 28:49Trump, when your power to initiate
- 28:51fiscal and tax policy is stripped away,
- 28:53the damage is indeed very significant.
- 28:55The second point, actually, is about
- 28:57impeachment, which is a power exclusive
- 28:59to the House of Representatives. They
- 29:01are responsible for bringing charges.
- 29:05>> Once they investigate and move forward
- 29:07with a vote, if the House passes it,
- 29:09they can impeach political figures and
- 29:11high-level federal officials; once the
- 29:13House approves, it counts as an
- 29:15indictment. Mhm.
- 29:19>> Even though it’s sent to the Senate
- 29:21after indictment and likely won't pass
- 29:23—since it requires a two-thirds
- 29:24majority—the constant launching of
- 29:26these proceedings can cause you huge
- 29:28trouble. The third point is their power
- 29:31to hold hearings and investigations;
- 29:32when they hold both, won't that power
- 29:34of investigation be a bit much for
- 29:36Trump? Because one characteristic of
- 29:38Trump is that his family members are
- 29:40all deeply entangled in his political
- 29:42affairs. Whether it's his son or his
- 29:45son-in-law, I don't think they can
- 29:47escape it. Unless you hide abroad, as
- 29:53long as you remain in the U.S., you'll
- 29:55likely be subjected to constant
- 29:57hearings and subpoenas from both
- 29:59chambers; you saw the TikTok CEO from
- 30:02Singapore, you saw Shou Zi Chew.
- 30:07>> You saw how intense the pressure was
- 30:09when he was at that hearing.
- 30:11Fortunately, Shou Zi Chew is quite
- 30:13handsome.
- 30:17>> Think about it, if you swapped him out
- 30:19for someone like Ivanka, I believe that
- 30:21if she sat in that hearing chair,
- 30:22she’d never be able to get back up.
- 30:28>> Oh, you don't think she could handle it
- 30:30?
- 30:30>> I think in the political arena, there's
- 30:32no such thing as being able to handle
- 30:34it. I’d say politics is just a game
- 30:38of framing people. If you're caught
- 30:42with evidence, you're a goner; even if
- 30:44there’s no evidence, the laws—U.S.
- 30:47laws are so complex that even lawyers
- 30:49can't keep track of them all. If I
- 30:51can't use this law, I’ll dig up one
- 30:53from 30 or 50 years ago, even from the
- 30:56last century; they don't expire, and I
- 30:58can just pull them out to use. You’ll
- 31:00never know—there are just too many of
- 31:02them in the U.S., it's truly terrifying
- 31:04.
- 31:04>> Why do American lawyers have such deep
- 31:07pockets? Why are they so active? It’s
- 31:09because no one can figure out the laws.
- 31:11If I really want to target you
- 31:12politically today, I have so many
- 31:14things at my disposal to make your life
- 31:15miserable—if not kill you, then at
- 31:17least leave you half-dead. So, after
- 31:19this election, if the current polling
- 31:21results hold, Trump will face immense
- 31:23pressure, and this pressure will build
- 31:25because everyone is already preparing
- 31:27for 2028, and the U.S. is no exception.
- 31:29Therefore, the level of confrontation
- 31:31will only intensify, not diminish. So,
- 31:34after the election, regarding Trump—
- 31:35we’ve become accustomed to the idea
- 31:37that if Trump says something, he’ll
- 31:39actually go through with it. Today, the
- 31:41trade war he wants to launch—it
- 31:42counts if he says it, because Congress
- 31:44is his, but if you look at these tariff
- 31:46wars, once he loses control of Congress
- 31:48, he loses the power to initiate them.
- 31:50Yeah.
- 31:51>> Once he acts, once Congress steps in,
- 31:53Congress has two types of power. One is
- 31:55the power to actively obstruct you, and
- 31:57the other is the power to passively
- 31:59refuse to cooperate with you. Beyond
- 32:01just not cooperating, if you want
- 32:03something passed, then let’s
- 32:05negotiate the terms.
- 32:06>> You have to give me something in return
- 32:08, otherwise, you won’t be able to get
- 32:10done what you want to do. So, this kind
- 32:12of leverage, which I can fully use
- 32:14against you in today’s U.S. political
- 32:16climate, I think is very unfavorable
- 32:18for Trump. Will this affect his attempt
- 32:21to structure a new world order?
- 32:26>> He certainly wants to, because he is a
- 32:28capable person, but the meeting between
- 32:30the leaders of China and the U.S. today
- 32:32—I think the first thing he needs to
- 32:34prove is that the three of us sitting
- 32:35down can actually resolve many of the
- 32:37world's difficult problems. Even that
- 32:43alone is not easy; we’ve made this
- 32:45out to be too simple, so I don't really
- 32:47have high expectations. I only know
- 32:51that around November this year, there
- 32:52is a high probability that these three
- 32:54will meet, and there will be a moment
- 32:56where the three are in the same frame
- 32:57or sitting together to discuss matters.
- 33:02As for the leaders of all other
- 33:03countries, you can just step aside, or
- 33:05stand in the back like human screens;
- 33:07basically, it’s like three big bosses
- 33:09sitting down to eat, while the others
- 33:11serve as waiters. This scene will
- 33:15appear, but I do not expect that this
- 33:17meeting can truly prove that today,
- 33:19after I have paralyzed the UN system,
- 33:21paralyzed the WTO, paralyzed many of
- 33:23these climate change conferences, and
- 33:25paralyzed many of these international
- 33:27organizations, I can then show the
- 33:29world that the three of us sitting down
- 33:31is enough to re-establish order. The
- 33:35differences between these three
- 33:37countries are vast, and I currently
- 33:38cannot see any geopolitical or global
- 33:40governance issues where all three
- 33:42countries share a consensus.
- 33:45>> They can sit down to provide the world
- 33:47with an explanation, but in terms of
- 33:49the situation, the flavor of a world
- 33:51divided into three—like the Three
- 33:53Kingdoms era of Wei, Shu, and Wu—will
- 33:55be visible this time. So you will see
- 33:58that the mere image of them sitting
- 34:00together to discuss the international
- 34:01situation has already had an impact on
- 34:03the world, but if you ask whether
- 34:05substantive issues, for instance, the
- 34:07Russia-Ukraine war, will be resolved at
- 34:08this meeting? Or will the US-Iran
- 34:11situation be resolved at this meeting?
- 34:13Or even the Taiwan Strait issue—do
- 34:14you think it will be resolved at this
- 34:16meeting? Probably not, but the
- 34:17international landscape of a world
- 34:19divided in three will have already
- 34:21taken shape. We, in Taiwan, largely
- 34:26lack an understanding of war; you know,
- 34:28for a party involved in a war,
- 34:30negotiation is a very cruel thing.
- 34:35Negotiation is a one-way street with no
- 34:37turning back. It’s not like if I sit
- 34:39at the negotiating table today, if
- 34:40Ukraine sits at the table and things
- 34:42don't go well, we can just go back to
- 34:44fighting; that's not how it works. I
- 34:46think once you sit at the negotiating
- 34:48table, your domestic will to resist
- 34:50collapses.
- 34:51>> Yes. Once you step up, your will to
- 34:53resist is gone. In fact, if I present
- 34:56highly oppressive terms today that
- 34:58Zelenskyy and Ukraine cannot accept,
- 34:59you no longer have the capability to
- 35:01return to the battlefield, and you
- 35:03cannot expect the countries that
- 35:05supported and backed you to say, "It
- 35:06didn't work out, it's okay, come back
- 35:08and we'll keep fighting." There is no
- 35:11such possibility. Throughout history,
- 35:14you’ve never seen a party in a
- 35:15position of weakness on the battlefield
- 35:17have any choice but to fight to the end
- 35:19to survive. You think, no matter the
- 35:23cost, I’ll fight you, and I’ll
- 35:25gamble that surrounding nations will
- 35:26share the burden with me. But if those
- 35:30other countries can no longer hold on,
- 35:32Ukraine will have no choice but to head
- 35:34to the negotiating table. For a nation
- 35:37currently at war, heading to the
- 35:39negotiating table is an admission of
- 35:40defeat. Once defeated, you are at the
- 35:43mercy of others, and there is no
- 35:45returning to the battlefield. Do you
- 35:48think that for the U.S.-Russia-Ukraine
- 35:50talks in early November, the mere act
- 35:52of establishing negotiations means the
- 35:54war in Ukraine will likely have to end?
- 35:57Yes, once talks start, it’s basically
- 35:59over. My view on Zelensky’s current
- 36:02attitude is that the situation dictates
- 36:04the outcome. Especially with the EU in
- 36:08a state of collapse, you can no longer
- 36:10expect the domestic politics of Germany
- 36:12, France, or the UK to be like they
- 36:14were a few years ago—where if you
- 36:16asked for 50 billion or 100 billion,
- 36:18they’d just hand it over. It’s
- 36:21impossible. This means things will only
- 36:24get harder for you from here.
- 36:28Russia’s advantage, however, is that
- 36:29they’ve already proven they’ve
- 36:31survived your financial hunt and your
- 36:33energy blockades; now, you have to come
- 36:35crawling back to them. Think about it:
- 36:39besides finance and energy, what else
- 36:41is there left to restrict Russia with?
- 36:43So, their war preparations are
- 36:45currently in a position of
- 36:46unprecedented advantage. As for drones,
- 36:48you bomb me, I bomb you—as we’ve
- 36:51discussed before, drones only have a
- 36:53tactical, harassing effect. They don't
- 36:55fundamentally change the front lines of
- 36:57the battlefield. They have no impact on
- 36:59the shifting of the lines, and thus,
- 37:01they have no real significance to the
- 37:03war.
- 37:04>> Right, so the outcome of the
- 37:06Russia-Ukraine war is likely near.
- 37:09However, what Ukraine wanted to prove
- 37:11—that if they won, they could join
- 37:13NATO—is, of course, impossible.
- 37:16>> The idea that after winning they could
- 37:18recover Crimea and the Donbas—the
- 37:20land lost back in 2014—is also
- 37:21impossible now; in fact, they’ve lost
- 37:24even more. What Russia set out to prove
- 37:26is that despite the combined
- 37:27containment by the US and Europe, their
- 37:29finance didn't collapse.
- 37:30>> Their economy didn't collapse, and the
- 37:33nation itself didn't collapse.
- 37:35>> Looking at it now, of course there are
- 37:37losses, but their thresholds for
- 37:39survival are different. Alright,
- 37:42let’s move on to the Korean Peninsula
- 37:44. This development is truly quite
- 37:47surprising, which also means that
- 37:49nobody really knows what North Korea is
- 37:51thinking right now. In the days before
- 37:55Kim Jong-un appeared, there were rumors
- 37:57circulating internationally and on
- 37:59social media platforms that he had
- 38:01already died. I went back to check, and
- 38:05it was actually overseas dissidents
- 38:07from mainland China who first spread
- 38:09this news—or rather, it wasn’t even
- 38:12news. I read that report, and I have to
- 38:16say, it contained absolutely no
- 38:18evidence. They didn’t even have any
- 38:21circumstantial evidence; they just
- 38:23claimed, "I think he must be dead," and
- 38:25went on from there. There was zero
- 38:29evidence, which is why major media
- 38:31outlets and even international
- 38:33intelligence agencies all came out to
- 38:35say there was no truth to it. Yet, it
- 38:38continued to spread and circulate on
- 38:40these platforms. And then, we suddenly
- 38:46saw that over the weekend, Kim Jong-un
- 38:48crossed the New Yalu River Bridge and
- 38:50arrived in Dandong, China. At the same
- 38:58time, we saw Wang Huning and Wang Yi
- 39:00deliberately travel to Dandong to meet
- 39:02with him. This move by Kim was very
- 39:07sudden; what message is he trying to
- 39:09convey? Previously, there were constant
- 39:12rumors about a Trump-Kim summit,
- 39:14largely due to Trump’s repeated
- 39:16remarks. However, Trump seems less
- 39:20enthusiastic about it lately, so U.S.
- 39:22think tanks have started to assess the
- 39:25situation and believe the chance of
- 39:26them meeting at the APEC summit later
- 39:29this year has dropped to only about 10%
- 39:31. Interestingly, the one not giving up
- 39:35on a Trump-Kim summit at this stage is
- 39:37South Korea. South Korea says that
- 39:42although it is difficult to predict a
- 39:44specific timetable, they will continue
- 39:46to coordinate closely with the U.S. and
- 39:48put in the necessary diplomatic effort
- 39:50to ensure U.S.-North Korea talks happen
- 39:52as soon as possible. So, in reality,
- 39:57South Korea is still the most proactive
- 40:00party regarding the summit. However,
- 40:04North Korea has recently been accusing
- 40:06South Korea of fabricating the landmine
- 40:09incident at the border. So, how should
- 40:13we look at the Korean Peninsula, the
- 40:15relations between China and the two
- 40:17Koreas, and the relationship between
- 40:20the U.S. and both Koreas?
- 40:24>> To understand this, we have to look at
- 40:26the big picture: in our past impression
- 40:28, North Korea was extremely poor. The
- 40:31people could not even get enough to eat
- 40:33. There were defectors, extreme
- 40:35sanctions, and Kim Jong Un’s brutal
- 40:37tactics, like the artillery executions
- 40:39and the dog executions—a whole lot of
- 40:42things. But in the last three years,
- 40:44the atmosphere in North Korea has
- 40:46changed. Their military capabilities
- 40:49have grown rapidly with Russian support
- 40:51, giving them nuclear retaliatory power
- 40:53. They are now focusing on economic
- 40:55development. Why do they want to
- 40:57develop their economy? Developing the
- 41:00economy doesn't have much to do with
- 41:01Russia, which is a poor yet large
- 41:03country. Militarily and for security,
- 41:05they have a deep connection with Russia
- 41:07. They have some old grievances with
- 41:10China, stemming from the Six-Party
- 41:12Talks and the sanctions, which created
- 41:14some distance between the two.
- 41:16>> There was indeed a low point. There was
- 41:18a low point, so why did Kim Jong Un go
- 41:21to attend the Korean War commemoration?
- 41:24He wanted to mend ties, and China-North
- 41:27Korea relations are naturally easy to
- 41:29bridge because we have many Chinese
- 41:31citizens of Korean descent on the
- 41:33Liaodong Peninsula.
- 41:35>> Once you cross over from Dandong, you
- 41:37are in North Korea.
- 41:38>> Now that the bridge is open, trade has
- 41:41started, and honestly, the people on
- 41:43both sides can communicate because they
- 41:45all speak Korean.
- 41:47>> Trade volume has increased sharply in
- 41:49recent years.
- 41:50>> So, politics follows the economy. Why
- 41:54does he dare to engage so boldly with
- 41:56China now? One reason is economic
- 41:59necessity. Second, Kim Jong Un has
- 42:01already abandoned the idea of unifying
- 42:02with South Korea.
- 42:03>> Yes, they even amended their
- 42:04constitution.
- 42:05>> Yes, amended the constitution.
- 42:07>> Amended the constitution to not just
- 42:08abandon reunification, but to
- 42:09explicitly reject it.
- 42:10>> Rejecting reunification. Coincidentally
- 42:12, the South Korean public has long
- 42:14rejected being a pawn in the U.S.'s
- 42:16election wars. So, there won't be any
- 42:18major conflict between the two. This
- 42:20has finally led to a bit of a joke. The
- 42:24U.S. Army commander mentioned that they
- 42:27fear the two Koreas no longer need U.S.
- 42:29control; there is vaguely a sense of
- 42:31that. The U.S. feels that since North
- 42:35Korea isn't attacking the South anymore
- 42:37, what reason do American troops have
- 42:39to stay and defend South Korea? South
- 42:43Korea says, "You’re forcing me to
- 42:45spend money on your semiconductors and
- 42:47whatnot, plus increasing military
- 42:49spending, but my own economy is
- 42:51struggling too." So, in this complex
- 42:55environment, Kim Jong Un’s sudden
- 42:57move to visit China is very interesting
- 43:00—very interesting indeed. It
- 43:03signifies that the northern door is
- 43:05open, and there are no worries about
- 43:07the South; that landmine incident was a
- 43:09minor matter, not even worth discussing
- 43:11. It only proves that the 38th parallel
- 43:14still exists, so I think the overall
- 43:16atmosphere is changing. Why does China
- 43:20want to win over North Korea? Because
- 43:23Japanese militarism is acting up. Don't
- 43:26Russia, North Korea, and China need to
- 43:28keep you in check?
- 43:31>> So Gao Miao is also eager to meet Trump
- 43:33, and Xian wants to see him too; all of
- 43:35this has to do with the United States.
- 43:40Because the U.S. has troops stationed
- 43:42there, this issue will make the
- 43:43international conference quite lively.
- 43:46I agree with what Xiang Long said:
- 43:48there won't be major changes, but
- 43:50probing each other’s bottom line is
- 43:51clear—what are you sure you want?
- 43:53What do you really want? Is he
- 43:55indispensable to you? Or what am I
- 43:57willing to concede? This meeting will
- 43:58have results, but they won't be
- 44:00publicized; it won't be blatant, like "
- 44:02from now on, this is how it will be,"
- 44:04right? That’s impossible, because
- 44:05this is different from the Yalta
- 44:07Conference. The Yalta Conference was
- 44:09about countries already on the
- 44:10battlefield; if they didn't define
- 44:12spheres of influence, they would have
- 44:14started fighting each other. You know
- 44:16Montgomery and Patton were competing to
- 44:18race forward, and Zhukov and Eisenhower
- 44:20were competing over who would take
- 44:22Germany.
- 44:25>> The first two were American and British
- 44:27generals, and the latter two were
- 44:28Soviet and American generals; as they
- 44:30all raced forward, they were each using
- 44:32military force to claim their own
- 44:34territory. You have to occupy territory
- 44:37to have leverage in talks, which is why
- 44:39Berlin ended up divided into East and
- 44:41West.
- 44:42>> Right? This was all about land grabbing
- 44:44.
- 44:44>> But now there is no such territory,
- 44:46except on the Russia-Ukraine
- 44:47battlefield.
- 44:48>> There is no current war for seizing
- 44:50territory.
- 44:51>> So it’s not a question of carving up
- 44:53the world into three parts.
- 44:56>> The most serious issue is the division
- 44:58of spheres of influence, which is why
- 44:59NATO doesn't want Ukraine to join now.
- 45:02>> Hmm.
- 45:03>> They can't bear that burden or that
- 45:05baggage. That's right, exactly. Okay,
- 45:07so Han Bing, what is your take? Kim
- 45:09Jong-un suddenly appeared in Dandong.
- 45:12Of course, saying he’s dead is just
- 45:14an international joke; some people keep
- 45:17manufacturing this rumor, probably
- 45:19three or five times a year.
- 45:25>> But the focal point is the change in
- 45:27his grand strategy, a shift that
- 45:28Beijing is encouraging. Even South
- 45:33Korea is encouraging it. This
- 45:37encouragement from Beijing and South
- 45:39Korea will inevitably bring significant
- 45:41changes to the situation on the Korean
- 45:43Peninsula, and the U.S. must consider
- 45:45how to view it—first from a security
- 45:47perspective, and second, regarding its
- 45:49sphere of influence. South Korea was
- 45:55originally in the palm of my hand; U.S.
- 45:57forces in Korea basically controlled
- 45:59all your defense-related matters, but
- 46:01if the South Korean public truly
- 46:03changes their attitude, will this also
- 46:05change? It won't happen immediately,
- 46:10but this is clearly what Lee Jae-myung
- 46:12hopes to shape, you see.
- 46:14>> For Lee Jae-myung, his current poll
- 46:16numbers are low and internal backlash
- 46:17is severe; he feels that if things
- 46:19could move toward a more reconciliatory
- 46:21situation between the two Koreas
- 46:22externally, then that would certainly
- 46:24be a good thing for him, whether for
- 46:26his personal reputation or to shift
- 46:28focus, it’s all good for him. But
- 46:29this is obviously something South Korea
- 46:31cannot lead, because it depends on the
- 46:33overall big picture. As for North Korea
- 46:35, I think after the Russia-Ukraine war,
- 46:38and even up to now, what is their
- 46:40biggest improvement? The fact is that
- 46:41countries around the world have tacitly
- 46:43accepted that they possess nuclear
- 46:44weapons.
- 46:45>> Yes.
- 46:45>> Everyone has accepted it, including
- 46:47mainland China, which used to oppose it
- 46:49, but now basically accepts it. Even
- 46:51Trump no longer seeks to demand they
- 46:52denuclearize, so they have essentially
- 46:54become a world-recognized nuclear state
- 46:56. In this situation, as the General
- 46:57just mentioned, Kim Jong-un has an
- 46:59urgent need to improve his economic
- 47:01environment because the economy is
- 47:02truly in bad shape. In reality, his
- 47:04domestic situation is very poor, as he
- 47:06has spent most of his resources over
- 47:08the years developing these weapons.
- 47:10Regarding Russia, the Russia-Ukraine
- 47:11war has actually helped him, and Russia
- 47:13has provided him with some things, but
- 47:15it’s not enough, and the support from
- 47:17China is also limited. For Kim Jong-un,
- 47:20I think Trump seems to be stepping back
- 47:22, but as for Kim, I think he might want
- 47:24to attend APEC. Although he
- 47:27>> Do you think Kim Jong-un has become the
- 47:29one who is more proactive now?
- 47:30>> Yes, I think it has become Kim Jong-un,
- 47:32because he believes his status is
- 47:33relatively secure and everyone has
- 47:35acknowledged his nuclear weapons, but
- 47:37he is not an APEC member. True, but the
- 47:39issue is that China is the host this
- 47:41year.
- 47:41>> China has the authority to invite him.
- 47:43So I wonder if he is vying for this
- 47:44opportunity; otherwise, take the
- 47:46China-North Korea bridge, which was
- 47:47actually completed on the mainland side
- 47:49back in 2014.
- 47:50>> Yes, that’s true.
- 47:51>> They were waiting for you, waiting for
- 47:53North Korea to hurry up and build that
- 47:54connecting road.
- 47:55>> Yes, they dragged it out, delaying it
- 47:57until this year when they finally
- 47:58finished it. I think they specifically
- 48:00rushed to finish it this year just to
- 48:02seize this opportunity, and through
- 48:04this pretext, initiate another contact
- 48:06with mainland China. Of course, he has
- 48:08many intentions, and he hopes to see if
- 48:11mainland China might...Actually, for
- 48:13Trump now, back in his 1.0 era, he went
- 48:15straight to meet Kim. But now, in 2.0,
- 48:18he was saying a while ago, "Maybe I'll
- 48:20go meet Kim Jong-un!" But he hasn't
- 48:22mentioned it lately. Why? Because the
- 48:24situation is very clear now. As the
- 48:26General just said, it's China, Russia,
- 48:28and North Korea versus Japan right now.
- 48:30Because Sanae Takaichi wants what is
- 48:32called a "normal state," and some even
- 48:33say she wants remilitarization. The
- 48:35U.S. has the U.S.-Japan alliance, after
- 48:37all. Theoretically, he cannot get too
- 48:39close to North Korea, especially since
- 48:41they keep launching missiles and making
- 48:43threats. So, under these circumstances,
- 48:45Trump might not be able to show a very
- 48:47proactive attitude. So you think
- 48:49Japan's lobbying has really made Trump
- 48:51cool off slightly on a Trump-Kim summit
- 48:53?
- 48:54>> I think he has cooled down, but I don't
- 48:56know for how long, because Trump is a
- 48:58person who changes at any moment; no
- 49:00one knows where he’ll end up. I must
- 49:04say, among world leaders, although
- 49:06Trump once used Pearl Harbor to tease
- 49:09Sanae Takaichi, he is relatively decent
- 49:11to her.
- 49:12>> I think so. For example, he was willing
- 49:14to meet her before meeting Xi Jinping.
- 49:16He even called her after meeting with
- 49:18Xi Jinping, so I think he treats Sanae
- 49:20Takaichi with considerable regard.
- 49:21>> At least at this stage, I think Sanae
- 49:23Takaichi is still a person Trump
- 49:25respects to a certain degree, but the
- 49:28question is how long this situation can
- 49:30last. Maybe after a while, once the
- 49:32midterm elections are over, Trump might
- 49:35have different considerations. So, I
- 49:37think this change is constant, and we
- 49:40can only observe, because Xi Jinping
- 49:42may not necessarily truly want this to
- 49:44happen.
- 49:45>> You mean the Trump-Kim summit?
- 49:46>> Yes, I don't think he necessarily wants
- 49:48it. Right, because it might not be a
- 49:50very beneficial thing for him either.
- 49:51So I think all sides have their own
- 49:53interests—China has its interests,
- 49:54and the U.S. has its interests. So I
- 49:56think we'll just have to wait and see,
- 49:57because if China doesn't extend an
- 49:59invitation, Kim Jong-un can't go even
- 50:00if he wants to.
- 50:01>> Hmm. All right, so what General Shuai
- 50:04just mentioned is a shift in the
- 50:05overall landscape. In the context of
- 50:09Northeast Asia, once Kim Jong Un felt
- 50:11his position was secure—especially
- 50:13his status as a nuclear-armed state—
- 50:15he could feel emboldened to amend the
- 50:17constitution. He is no longer seeking
- 50:21the unification of the Korean Peninsula
- 50:23, which creates conditions for a
- 50:25relatively peaceful relationship with
- 50:26South Korea. Secondly, he is beginning
- 50:30to seek breakthroughs in the economy
- 50:32and looking to open up. It seems North
- 50:35Korea’s stance is becoming
- 50:36increasingly clear. Under these clear
- 50:41circumstances, will the U.S. maintain a
- 50:43lukewarm attitude toward meeting with
- 50:45Kim Jong Un due to constraints from
- 50:46Japan? And what is mainland China’s
- 50:50stance on a potential Trump-Kim summit?
- 50:54This is actually critical, because even
- 50:56if it doesn't happen in Shenzhen, in
- 50:58the future, if North Korea and the U.S.
- 51:00want to establish a viable negotiation
- 51:02mechanism, it still has to go through
- 51:04mainland China. So, how do you see it?
- 51:09>> Since North Korea already has nuclear
- 51:11weapons, I think China has been quite
- 51:14passive toward the Trump-Kim summits
- 51:16from the past until now. Basically, you
- 51:18don’t see China expressing any very
- 51:20active stance of support or opposition.
- 51:23On the contrary, during the last
- 51:25Trump-Kim summit, China even had to
- 51:27provide the aircraft. Because Kim Jong
- 51:29Un, other than his activities along the
- 51:31China-North Korea border, feels uneasy
- 51:33anywhere else.
- 51:34>> He always takes the train.
- 51:36>> He always takes the train, so he takes
- 51:38his...
- 51:38>> His special train.
- 51:40>> Right, so you see, this time when he
- 51:42went to Dandong, he also took his
- 51:44Maybach.
- 51:45>> Mhm.
- 51:46>> Of course, that Maybach—when a
- 51:48national leader is still using another
- 51:50country's car as their own official
- 51:52vehicle, it shows your level of
- 51:54development is, basically, just average
- 51:56. But his visit to Dandong this time—
- 51:59I really think we shouldn't first
- 52:00consider what has changed between China
- 52:03and North Korea, but rather that a
- 52:04significant change must have occurred
- 52:06in North Korea’s own thinking.
- 52:09>> The situation in North Korea now is
- 52:11roughly like China in the early days of
- 52:13its Reform and Opening-up in the 1980s.
- 52:16It has been frozen, frozen for 70 years
- 52:19, sealed off for 70 years.
- 52:21Geographically speaking, it has locked
- 52:23itself in by bolting both the front and
- 52:25back doors. To the south, there is the
- 52:2738th parallel, which it bolted itself;
- 52:30to the north, there is the Yalu River,
- 52:32which it also bolted itself. It
- 52:33doesn’t come out, and it doesn’t
- 52:35let anyone in. This is the most unique
- 52:37country on Earth; it doesn't let people
- 52:39out, and it doesn't let them in.
- 52:41>> It is locked away.
- 52:42>> Right, but Kim Jong-un's North Korea is
- 52:44different from Cuba. There are only
- 52:46four socialist countries left on Earth,
- 52:48and Cuba has been locked down by others
- 52:50. True.
- 52:50>> But Kim Jong-un has locked himself in,
- 52:52which makes him very different. Yet
- 52:54today, among the four socialist
- 52:56countries, China has reached its
- 52:58current level of development, and
- 52:59there’s another one he can see:
- 53:01Vietnam.
- 53:02>> Since Vietnam has developed to this
- 53:04level, and Kim Jong-un even has nuclear
- 53:06weapons, we usually talk about
- 53:07geopolitics in Asia, but what's most
- 53:10fascinating is the geo-economics.
- 53:11>> Exactly. With Asia's economic
- 53:15development at this stage, it generates
- 53:1750%of the world's annual economic
- 53:19growth.
- 53:21>> So, half of global growth is
- 53:22contributed by Asia.
- 53:24>> Right, every single year, and it’s
- 53:26been that way for a long time. It’s
- 53:29strange that North Korea is left out.
- 53:31So, his trip to Dandong feels like
- 53:33he’s finally unlocking those doors he
- 53:35kept shut. It’s like the room has
- 53:37opened, and he’s starting to peek his
- 53:39head out to take a look around.
- 53:40There’s one thing about Kim Jong-un
- 53:42that I’ve always found worth
- 53:44observing: he studied abroad.
- 53:46>> In Switzerland.
- 53:47>> He likes the NBA.
- 53:48>> Yes.
- 53:49>> He has an interest in Michael Jordan
- 53:51and others, and he’s even fond of
- 53:53Rodman.
- 53:55>> You see, this "bad boy" plays that kind
- 53:57of ball. I mean, someone with that kind
- 54:01of background, having had a taste of
- 54:03Western education and lived among
- 54:05Westerners, his motivation to open the
- 54:07door and look outward seems quite
- 54:09genuine—he simply wants to know what
- 54:11life is like out there. He knows better
- 54:15than the vast majority of North Koreans
- 54:17what the outside world is like. He
- 54:19can’t just deceive himself with a
- 54:21closed-off world anymore. I think that
- 54:24trip to Dandong was a very clear signal
- 54:26that he’s opening the door. A
- 54:29national leader who usually doesn't let
- 54:31anyone in or out is now crossing the
- 54:33Yalu River as if he’s just walking
- 54:35into his own kitchen. This will likely
- 54:37become normalized. If I, Kim Jong-un,
- 54:39go for a walk somewhere in Northeast
- 54:42China, don't be so surprised. I’m
- 54:44just opening the door and wandering
- 54:46around the yard right outside my home.
- 54:48After all, everyone knows there are
- 54:50quite a few ethnic Koreans in the
- 54:52Northeast. Yes.
- 54:53>> Their language and culture are
- 54:55interconnected, even if they continue
- 54:57to argue over who Changbai Mountain
- 54:58belongs to. So, Kim Jong-un interacting
- 55:01with the Northeast region is perfectly
- 55:03fine. But this time he specifically
- 55:05took that bridge, even though not long
- 55:07ago, there was another bridge that
- 55:09opened between North Korea and Russia,
- 55:11which he didn't visit.
- 55:12>> Once that bridge opened, it was
- 55:14technically connected. Now that you put
- 55:16it that way, do you think he might go
- 55:17and take a trip across that one too?
- 55:19>> No, he won't, because after all, 90%of
- 55:21his trade is with China. His
- 55:25relationship with Russia is based on
- 55:27political and military mutual trust;
- 55:29economically, even Russia has to rely
- 55:31on China. Kim Jong-un doesn't need to
- 55:36go there for economic reasons, as
- 55:37Russia doesn't have much to offer him
- 55:39right now. But his relationship with
- 55:43China is substantial. That’s why I
- 55:48think his visit to the Northeast,
- 55:50especially to that vehicle factory—
- 55:52that factory, the Shuguang Automotive,
- 55:54a state-owned enterprise, or the
- 55:56Hwanghae factory—is significant.
- 56:02Everyone knows the Northeast is the
- 56:04Rust Belt, so that factory can't be
- 56:06compared to the ones we see in Shenzhen
- 56:08today, but it is built for large-scale
- 56:10production.
- 56:13>> Because it’s heavy industry, it
- 56:15actually still has the capacity to
- 56:17manufacture large items.
- 56:19>> I watched the North Korean news footage
- 56:21, and he wasn't just going through the
- 56:23motions at that factory; he was looking
- 56:25very closely. Hmm.
- 56:27>> In other words, I believe that vehicle
- 56:28factory will have a cooperative
- 56:30relationship with North Korea. If you
- 56:34view it like China's explosive decade
- 56:36after opening up in the 1980s, I
- 56:37believe that once North Korea opens its
- 56:39doors, it will definitely experience a
- 56:41boom. And China will be the one to
- 56:46enjoy the sweet, first bite of that
- 56:47sugarcane. China is the most qualified
- 56:51to reap the dividends of this reform
- 56:52and opening up. As for who will get the
- 56:56tail end of that sugarcane, we can talk
- 56:58about that later, but China is
- 56:59certainly going to get the first bite.
- 57:04That matter, along with the upcoming
- 57:06APEC, is exactly what Han Bing just
- 57:08mentioned. Today, as he begins to test
- 57:14the waters and open up, seeking a path
- 57:16toward reform and opening, he is likely
- 57:18looking back at his youth—watching
- 57:20basketball with Rodman and the joyful
- 57:22memories of his life in Europe. He
- 57:27wants to open up, but once he does, can
- 57:29he integrate into the Asian
- 57:31geopolitical economy? He must go
- 57:33through China; only China can lead the
- 57:35way for him. That is his only chance.
- 57:37Without China leading the way, he won't
- 57:39be able to enter. He lacks the capacity
- 57:41to handle complex Asian geopolitics; he
- 57:44cannot deal with South Korea, Japan, or
- 57:46the United States. His relationship
- 57:48with ASEAN nations is actually quite
- 57:49tense. Don't forget that he had him
- 57:51assassinated in Malaysia.
- 57:52>> Yes, that's right, the assassination.
- 57:55Because of this, ASEAN's vigilance
- 57:56toward him remains extremely high. In
- 57:59other words, if China doesn't take him
- 58:00by the hand, he will still be left just
- 58:02staring at the water and scenery along
- 58:04the Yalu River. So, I believe he is
- 58:07using this APEC summit as an
- 58:09opportunity to allow North Korea to
- 58:11open a new chapter. I have always
- 58:13believed that North Korea is going to
- 58:14open up, and its opening is a major
- 58:16event for Northeast Asia. North Korea
- 58:18intends to open up and wants to seize
- 58:20this APEC opportunity; it seems that is
- 58:21the attitude he is projecting. Now we
- 58:24have to wait and see, because for him
- 58:25to open up, South Korea's attitude is
- 58:27also crucial. Whether he can capitalize
- 58:31on Yoon Suk-yeol's term to build a new
- 58:32relationship will depend on his wisdom.
- 58:35>> Alright, we want to thank Longfengbao
- 58:38BFK001 for the donation. And here is GP
- 58:40, thank you for your donation. He says
- 58:42this is his first time seeing Brother
- 58:44Bin here, and he looks so full of
- 58:46energy. He also saw Sister Feng's green
- 58:51dress, which is truly rare and looks
- 58:53particularly good, just like Disney's
- 58:55Tinker Bell. And Longfengbao, thank you
- 58:58for your donation. Also, here is Huang
- 59:00H, thank you for the donation. He says
- 59:02some of the assessments are actually a
- 59:04bit too optimistic. For example,
- 59:05regarding the US Congressional hearings
- 59:07: look at all the things Biden's son
- 59:09did in Ukraine and the money he
- 59:11laundered. The Republican-led Congress
- 59:12couldn't push forward any investigation
- 59:14, and before leaving office, he
- 59:16pardoned his son and the whole family,
- 59:18allowing them to walk away completely
- 59:20unscathed. Regarding the issue of
- 59:21negotiations, back then in Turkey,
- 59:23after several rounds of talks, nothing
- 59:26substantial came of it. Many agreements
- 59:28were discussed, but they weren't
- 59:30finalized. The key remains whether
- 59:33China and the US can divide Europe
- 59:35together, for instance, Australia.
- 59:37Alright, Longfengbao16, thank you for
- 59:39continuing to donate. And here is MLN,
- 59:41thanks for your donation. He says he's
- 59:44been a member for a month. Hello
- 59:45Brother Tang, Hello Sister Feng, can we
- 59:48talk about the domestic elections for
- 59:50our final topic? Two minutes for each
- 59:53person, because yesterday's topics were
- 59:55basically centered on the Blue Camp and
- 59:57Kevin Tsai. First, Kevin Tsai suddenly
- 1:00:00posted on Weibo, saying, "I have always
- 1:00:02been against Taiwan independence; I
- 1:00:04have never supported Taiwan
- 1:00:05independence. I have never supported
- 1:00:08Taiwan independence." Then, regarding
- 1:00:10this matter, wow, PUMA Shen immediately
- 1:00:12claimed Chinese interference, and
- 1:00:14Chiang Wan-an said he wouldn't accept
- 1:00:16such threats. It seems the DPP hopes to
- 1:00:19replicate the Tzuyu incident with Kevin
- 1:00:21Tsai. Can it be replicated? The second
- 1:00:24point is the great unity of the Blue
- 1:00:26Camp, with the establishment of Chiang
- 1:00:28Wan-an's campaign headquarters. The
- 1:00:29third part is the Blue-White
- 1:00:31integration, which is now showing even
- 1:00:33more momentum, not only with Hsinchu
- 1:00:35Mayor Kao Hung-an supporting Chiang
- 1:00:37Wan-an, but Huang Kuo-chang also
- 1:00:39declaring his full support for Chiang.
- 1:00:41Two minutes each to share your views. I
- 1:00:44think because Chiang Wan-an started
- 1:00:45late, he felt he had to deal with the
- 1:00:47city government's budget matters. Plus,
- 1:00:49during the typhoon, he acted like a
- 1:00:51disciplined civil servant, only
- 1:00:53starting his campaign once the election
- 1:00:55leave began. PUMA Shen is different; he
- 1:00:57doesn't even have to show up for work
- 1:00:59at the Legislative Yuan and just spends
- 1:01:01his days there running his mouth. So I
- 1:01:03am still very optimistic about this
- 1:01:05situation. I believe Taipei citizens
- 1:01:08are not so easily fooled, and these
- 1:01:10waves of attacks are not just against
- 1:01:12Chiang Wan-an—he is facing not just a
- 1:01:14city mayoral election, but
- 1:01:16national-level pressure.
- 1:01:18>> Hmm.
- 1:01:18>> Look at how much money and resources
- 1:01:20the other side has. Someone should
- 1:01:22compile the statistics. PUMA Shen's
- 1:01:24billboards alone cost over 100 million.
- 1:01:26Can the KMT even bring out...
- 1:01:27>> They spent a huge amount of money.
- 1:01:29>> Spent a lot of money.
- 1:01:30>> A massive amount of money.
- 1:01:31>> Mobilization. Many of these protesters
- 1:01:34are not even locals. So the question is
- 1:01:36, while the momentum looks huge, today
- 1:01:38we finally saw Chiang Wan-an call for a
- 1:01:41counterattack. I still have great
- 1:01:43confidence in the Taipei mayoral
- 1:01:45election. I hope everyone won't be
- 1:01:47overwhelmed by such pressure and money;
- 1:01:50we have our own autonomy.
- 1:01:52>> Alright, Han Bing, you've been
- 1:01:54observing elections for a long time, so
- 1:01:56how do you see Chiang Wan-an's current
- 1:01:58call for a counterattack?
- 1:02:00>> Well, a while ago, Brother Xiaolong
- 1:02:02also interviewed Chiang Wan-an. And
- 1:02:04back then, I felt Chiang's entire aura
- 1:02:06was off. Yeah.
- 1:02:07>> He looked very stifled, and seemed to
- 1:02:10lack strong self-confidence.
- 1:02:11>> I just felt this was completely...
- 1:02:13>> Yes, completely different from the
- 1:02:15person I used to know.
- 1:02:16>> He seemed dazed from that wave of
- 1:02:18attacks by the DPP, like he didn't know
- 1:02:20what to do.
- 1:02:20>> But I think he looked different
- 1:02:22yesterday.
- 1:02:22>> Yesterday, his whole face...
- 1:02:24>> Yes, he really came alive. I think the
- 1:02:26atmosphere at the scene helped him lift
- 1:02:28the energy; it's said several people
- 1:02:30there even cried on the spot. Yes, yes,
- 1:02:32yes, there really were people moved by
- 1:02:34that atmosphere.
- 1:02:35>> Exactly, so I feel that his momentum is
- 1:02:37finally coming back.
- 1:02:39>> As for Kevin Tsai, frankly, this has no
- 1:02:41comparison to the Chou Tzu-yu incident.
- 1:02:43Chou was just a young girl back then,
- 1:02:45following her group, and when the group
- 1:02:47did something that offended mainland
- 1:02:48China, she was forced by her company to
- 1:02:50apologize. Kevin Tsai, on the other
- 1:02:52hand, was always an independent
- 1:02:53individual, and he made his own
- 1:02:55decisions. Right, and I have to call
- 1:02:57him "Brother Kevin," because he's older
- 1:02:59than me and has had so many years of
- 1:03:00life experience.
- 1:03:01>> He's so experienced and so smart; I
- 1:03:03believe that whenever he does something
- 1:03:05, he must be very clear about what he
- 1:03:07is doing. So, whatever the consequences
- 1:03:10may be, he should have known what he
- 1:03:12was getting into, and he must bear them
- 1:03:14. As for why he suddenly wrote that
- 1:03:16article, honestly, I don't know. But if
- 1:03:19you say it was due to pressure from
- 1:03:20mainland China, what would writing that
- 1:03:22article achieve? It's actually
- 1:03:24meaningless. Plus, look, after he wrote
- 1:03:26that, did people over there forgive him
- 1:03:28? It doesn't seem so. Everyone still
- 1:03:31feels that he's hedging, that he
- 1:03:32doesn't even dare to call himself
- 1:03:34Chinese. So personally, I think he
- 1:03:37might have felt that his previous
- 1:03:39actions caused hurt to his partners,
- 1:03:41agents, and even some fans in mainland
- 1:03:43China. I think he might have written
- 1:03:46this to express that to them, but to
- 1:03:47say this will help Kevin Tsai relaunch
- 1:03:49his career in mainland China—I think
- 1:03:51that's impossible. Mm.
- 1:03:53>> So...
- 1:03:53>> He said so himself.
- 1:03:55>> Right, so I personally believe this is
- 1:03:57his own individual decision. It’s
- 1:03:59completely incomparable to the Chou
- 1:04:01Tzu-yu incident. And I must say, if my
- 1:04:03prediction is correct, in the future,
- 1:04:05Chiang could call this typhoon a "
- 1:04:07divine wind." I feel that after this
- 1:04:09typhoon, the whole momentum has
- 1:04:11completely changed, and Chiang
- 1:04:12Wan-an’s energy and spirit are
- 1:04:14different too. I think he’s come back
- 1:04:16to life, and I’m very optimistic
- 1:04:17about the year-end election.
- 1:04:19>> Right, so the typhoon saved Chiang
- 1:04:20Wan-an.
- 1:04:21>> It wasn’t a matter of saving him;
- 1:04:22there was no problem with declaring a
- 1:04:24typhoon day this time, because those of
- 1:04:25us in Taipei know that this was the
- 1:04:27most frightening typhoon I’ve seen
- 1:04:28all year. No, all of Taiwan except for
- 1:04:30Kinmen closed down. Who else could have
- 1:04:32done that? True, but while you might
- 1:04:34not feel it in Southern Taiwan, it
- 1:04:36really was the case in Northern Taiwan
- 1:04:38this time. This typhoon brought many
- 1:04:41issues to the surface, including the
- 1:04:42problems with the roads mentioned
- 1:04:44earlier. Everyone realizes that those
- 1:04:48road patterns truly need moderate
- 1:04:50adjustments; it’s not about saying "
- 1:04:52no" to all speed reductions or tree
- 1:04:54pruning, it’s just whether there is a
- 1:04:56way to do it without making people feel
- 1:04:58too many trees are being cut. Chiang
- 1:05:04Wan-an compared Kevin Tsai to Chou
- 1:05:06Tzu-yu yesterday—who exactly are you
- 1:05:08trying to disgust with that? The Chou
- 1:05:13Tzu-yu incident occurred in January
- 1:05:162016. Chou Tzu-yu was 17 years old at
- 1:05:19the time. She had just turned 16 or 17.
- 1:05:22She is 27 this year, and Kevin Tsai is
- 1:05:25about to get his Senior Citizen card
- 1:05:27next year. Right.
- 1:05:29>> So, you’re putting them together,
- 1:05:31you’re treating Kevin Tsai like a
- 1:05:32senior citizen—that’s something
- 1:05:34he’s very afraid of now. Meaning, he
- 1:05:37won’t have to pay for the bus, and
- 1:05:39won’t need to pull out his phone to
- 1:05:40pay. Even though Kevin Tsai is an adult
- 1:05:46, after his post came out yesterday, I
- 1:05:48honestly didn’t see anyone in public
- 1:05:50opinion find his argument convincing.
- 1:05:55Everyone just felt: why do you have to
- 1:05:57pretend so hard? He supported the
- 1:06:00Sunflower Movement back then. I’ve
- 1:06:02said it before, the Sunflower Movement
- 1:06:03was Taiwan’s color revolution. Let me
- 1:06:05remind you, the 2014 Sunflower Movement
- 1:06:07was in the same year as the color
- 1:06:09revolution in Ukraine.
- 1:06:10>> Yes.
- 1:06:11>> Only two months apart, they were in the
- 1:06:13same system. Just like Ukraine being
- 1:06:15overthrown today, the so-called "
- 1:06:16student list"—Ukraine says this was
- 1:06:18fully orchestrated by the CIA, and they
- 1:06:20recognize they were overthrown by the
- 1:06:23CIA. We can settle those accounts later
- 1:06:27, but today, when you see Kevin Tsai
- 1:06:28making these statements, and you want
- 1:06:30to sickeningly suggest that it’s as
- 1:06:32if he’s under pressure from China.
- 1:06:36You don't have to accept it, but you
- 1:06:38can't go to China, seek endorsements,
- 1:06:39and earn money, only to return and
- 1:06:41support a Taiwan independence figure
- 1:06:43wanted by the Chinese mainland. And
- 1:06:45then what, the Chinese mainland isn't
- 1:06:47allowed to speak up? I think the
- 1:06:48official stance from mainland China has
- 1:06:50been quite polite. Although a public
- 1:06:54account wrote a post, they didn't name
- 1:06:55him, and other mainland officials—as
- 1:06:57long as you don't see Xinhua News
- 1:06:59Agency, you don't see the People's
- 1:07:01Daily, and you don't see CCTV naming
- 1:07:02you, they are basically letting you off
- 1:07:04the hook.
- 1:07:06>> As a result, even the Taiwan Affairs
- 1:07:08Office didn't name him. Right, so
- 1:07:10actually, from the mainland's
- 1:07:11perspective regarding Kevin Tsai this
- 1:07:13time, I think they are just watching to
- 1:07:15see what you do next. That's why Kevin
- 1:07:19Tsai posted that thing yesterday and
- 1:07:21showed more active participation at the
- 1:07:23event. Although it still felt very
- 1:07:27forced, and because he's an actor, he's
- 1:07:30acting, so we can't really tell.
- 1:07:33>> He's not an actor, he's a host. True,
- 1:07:36but regardless, he showed more
- 1:07:37participation in that setting. The real
- 1:07:40suffering is that the "Blue Bird" crowd
- 1:07:42had a very hard day yesterday. They
- 1:07:46came out in full force to spin the
- 1:07:47narrative, trying to flip the Kevin
- 1:07:49Tsai situation back and start attacking
- 1:07:51him. Their only logic, like Shen
- 1:07:55Pao-yang's, is that because he was
- 1:07:57under pressure from the CCP and immense
- 1:07:59pressure from Beijing, no one should be
- 1:08:01allowed to suppress Taiwanese people's
- 1:08:03freedom of expression. But usually in
- 1:08:06Taiwan, who do you feel is suppressing
- 1:08:09your freedom of expression—the KMT or
- 1:08:11the DPP?
- 1:08:13>> I think this is a very real feeling for
- 1:08:14Taiwanese people. But yesterday,
- 1:08:18regarding Shen Pao-yang, I am reminding
- 1:08:20Kevin Tsai that Shen Pao-yang claims to
- 1:08:22be an expert in cognitive warfare. Shen
- 1:08:25Pao-yang has a Ph.D. in criminal
- 1:08:27psychology. If you look at what Shen
- 1:08:29Pao-yang said about Kevin Tsai from the
- 1:08:31perspective of a criminal psychology
- 1:08:33expert, he believes that what Kevin
- 1:08:35Tsai did yesterday...You, Kevin Tsai,
- 1:08:37you are lying. Deep down you love me,
- 1:08:40you support me, but you don't dare say
- 1:08:42it, and you still have to act all
- 1:08:43chummy with the mainland—no need to
- 1:08:45be like that. Yesterday, Shen Pao-yang
- 1:08:47used his professional background to
- 1:08:49tell you that Kevin Tsai is being fake.
- 1:08:51That he is still actually on my side.
- 1:08:54Kevin Tsai, everything you did
- 1:08:56yesterday was completely wiped away by
- 1:08:58a single remark from Shen Pao-yang.
- 1:09:00Unless Kevin Tsai continues, but anyway
- 1:09:02, he's already had his fill for today.
- 1:09:04Kevin, next time you come out, just
- 1:09:07wave a No. 5, No. 5, No. 5; it will be
- 1:09:10effective.
- 1:09:11>> The whole issue of whether to take a
- 1:09:13stand or not shouldn't actually be
- 1:09:15something forced upon any artist. I
- 1:09:17mean, which Hollywood artists don't
- 1:09:19have the choice not to take a stand?
- 1:09:21>> Now, if you're talking about young
- 1:09:23girls who face pressure behind their
- 1:09:24stances, we naturally support them, of
- 1:09:26course.
- 1:09:28>> But Kevin Tsai has years of experience
- 1:09:30in society, and he is truly so much
- 1:09:32more famous than I am.
- 1:09:33>> Yeah.
- 1:09:34>> He is also much wealthier than I am;
- 1:09:36though that’s not the point, he is
- 1:09:38indeed much wealthier than I am.
- 1:09:40>> You are really being too humble.
- 1:09:42>> He has reached such a level of
- 1:09:43financial freedom. To say that someone
- 1:09:47would pressure him...That would either
- 1:09:48mean he is too greedy, or you are
- 1:09:50insulting him; for me, those are the
- 1:09:52only two interpretations.
- 1:09:54>> Exactly, never try to explain Kevin
- 1:09:56Tsai's actions from a financial
- 1:09:58perspective. Right, you have to think,
- 1:10:01he’s much wealthier than the vast
- 1:10:02majority of people in Taiwan. I don't
- 1:10:06know how rich Shen Pao-yang is, but
- 1:10:08Kevin is already wealthier than most
- 1:10:10people in Taiwan. If you say he
- 1:10:14succumbed to pressure because of money,
- 1:10:16I think anyone with less wealth than
- 1:10:18Kevin wouldn't accept that; perhaps
- 1:10:20only those with far more money than him
- 1:10:21might believe it, right? So let's
- 1:10:26discuss it in that way. Alright, lastly
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