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From Wired to Wireless: Scaling Smart Building Integration and Energy Intelligence with IoT — Transcript

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  1. 0:00Alliance webinar.
  2. 0:03Hello everyone to the Lura Alliance
  3. 0:05webinar. Wire to wireless scaling smart
  4. 0:08building integration and energy
  5. 0:10intelligence with IoT. My name is Yan
  6. 0:12Philip Exner from Zenna International
  7. 0:14and I'm very happy to welcome you as
  8. 0:17host for today. Um on the next slide we
  9. 0:21do have some information about the
  10. 0:22housekeeping notes. So uh you have to
  11. 0:26know that this session is going to get
  12. 0:27recorded and you can see the video later
  13. 0:30on on the website of the alliance as a
  14. 0:34video on demand and uh you can type in
  15. 0:37questions regarding the webinar and the
  16. 0:39speeches all of the time and we answer
  17. 0:41them at the end of our Q&A session. So
  18. 0:45uh this is about the basic things from
  19. 0:47the housekeeping notes. Um on the next
  20. 0:50slide you'll see um that we have some
  21. 0:52information about the Laura Alliance. So
  22. 0:54I'll also keep it quite short at this
  23. 0:57point that um the alliance um has its
  24. 1:01journey from in the IoT landscape since
  25. 1:03more than 10 years and uh we are very
  26. 1:06glad that we um built up an ecosystem
  27. 1:09very wide which shows very good
  28. 1:12possibilities from various sectors and
  29. 1:14especially about the smart building
  30. 1:16domain that we are going to present
  31. 1:18today. Um
  32. 1:20in case if you haven't joined the lower
  33. 1:22alliance so far, there is a direct link
  34. 1:24to see uh where you can get there and to
  35. 1:28join the benefits as uh we have it also
  36. 1:30today during this webinar here. On the
  37. 1:33next slide, um I'm going to hand over to
  38. 1:37some kind of introduction that we're
  39. 1:39having today. And uh I want to also want
  40. 1:42to give some introduction regarding the
  41. 1:45reason and the success for scaling that
  42. 1:48we'll see here in the smart building
  43. 1:49sector for IoT.
  44. 1:52Um on the next slide um it's an
  45. 1:56information about uh where do we need
  46. 1:59the smart buildings in general which are
  47. 2:01the sectors which are relevant and are
  48. 2:04important. You can see that especially
  49. 2:06when it comes to the domains of the
  50. 2:08business, business owners, the
  51. 2:10residential domains and also industrial
  52. 2:14fields. We do have also in those fields
  53. 2:16or buildings which need to be uh
  54. 2:20improved with smart um building
  55. 2:22technologies with Lauravan and um this
  56. 2:25is all plays a role where you have the
  57. 2:27demand for monitoring and maintenance
  58. 2:31and where you also have and this is a
  59. 2:34very good point for Lola when it
  60. 2:36exceeding the technological requirements
  61. 2:38when you just need to have um a wide
  62. 2:41possibility of various ecosystem a very
  63. 2:44use case and where do you need to have a
  64. 2:46good ecosystem in terms of sensors,
  65. 2:49gateways and solutions and especially
  66. 2:52also when it comes to buildings where we
  67. 2:54later on see some very good examples
  68. 2:56from our speakers. We do have a lot of
  69. 2:59existing buildings but what we do um do
  70. 3:03need to have are existing solutions for
  71. 3:06retrofitting those buildings and this is
  72. 3:08a key uh component in order to make
  73. 3:11those use cases successful.
  74. 3:14Next slide. Um
  75. 3:17what is um the basic or one of the basic
  76. 3:20foundations of the things we're talking
  77. 3:22today are one of the findings that you
  78. 3:24can also see in the research study by
  79. 3:27Beum Research. Um this is going to get
  80. 3:31presented as well at the um at our Guru
  81. 3:34Alliance web page. And you see basically
  82. 3:37also the building sector itself as a
  83. 3:39very strong sector and uh you see also
  84. 3:42the strong dependences between the smart
  85. 3:45building sector as well as to the smart
  86. 3:47city uh topics because the use case
  87. 3:50often overlapping. uh me myself I'm also
  88. 3:54the the chair for the smart city at
  89. 3:56smart building work group and the reason
  90. 3:58also to bring those things together is
  91. 4:01that we also have in terms of the use
  92. 4:02case and also in terms of the the
  93. 4:05operating uses many correlating issues
  94. 4:08in the way where you see those
  95. 4:10overlapping use cases but we're going to
  96. 4:12focusing on a specific thing of the use
  97. 4:15cases by today just one pre thing on the
  98. 4:18you can see on the next slide those are
  99. 4:20our famous lura alliance infographics
  100. 4:24and uh as you can see all of those small
  101. 4:26yellow dots are dedicated use case that
  102. 4:29I just mentioned and as you can see here
  103. 4:32either it's a residential building or
  104. 4:34it's an office building you have many
  105. 4:37many uh different chances and
  106. 4:39possibilities of use cases to implement
  107. 4:42in either newly built things or
  108. 4:45especially the existing buildings and um
  109. 4:48also the modes of operation if you're um
  110. 4:51office operator of it comes to heat
  111. 4:53systems to energy monitoring are very
  112. 4:55wide and we will see a very good
  113. 4:57overview of those different kind of use
  114. 5:00cases later on on the next slide
  115. 5:04we're already
  116. 5:06in um in a way that we are scaling
  117. 5:10Lauravan we uh also saw in the beach
  118. 5:14research report that there was an um an
  119. 5:18annual growth rate from 60% full seen in
  120. 5:22the last years until 2028.
  121. 5:24And when you just take a look at the
  122. 5:26device, we're very proud as Laura Aines
  123. 5:28to exceeding at the moment 125 million
  124. 5:31of Luran and devices globally deployed.
  125. 5:34And if you take a look backwards in the
  126. 5:36last year, we had an annual growth rate
  127. 5:39of 25%. So this is actually a really
  128. 5:42impressive growth rate and shows the
  129. 5:44potential and the versatility of Luroan.
  130. 5:48The next slide is um is now the thing
  131. 5:52that I want to get on to the topics that
  132. 5:55we're talking today. So our topic is
  133. 5:57from wire to wireless scaling smart
  134. 5:59building integration with energy
  135. 6:00intelligence with IoT and I'm very glad
  136. 6:03and very happy that either you on the
  137. 6:06one hand side you as a visitor or
  138. 6:09audience are there but I'm very happy
  139. 6:10that I can uh present today a couple of
  140. 6:13lura alliance members to present their
  141. 6:15use cases. So we have from Elvis um
  142. 6:20talking about the building um and then
  143. 6:24for the heat system integration on the
  144. 6:26one hand side we'll have also Mario from
  145. 6:29um um
  146. 6:31from Terrocon um to talk about the
  147. 6:34evolution of um wired rooms classical
  148. 6:39wired rooms to wireless rooms. We have V
  149. 6:42Violeta from um climate talking about
  150. 6:44the thing about climate and energy
  151. 6:46controls and Mikuel from Veco about the
  152. 6:51smart buildings in terms of the
  153. 6:53monitoring and energy controls. So those
  154. 6:55is a very wide range of um of speakers
  155. 7:00and topics today embracing the whole
  156. 7:02topics of smart sensoring in the uh with
  157. 7:06the IoT devices in the smart building
  158. 7:08session. And now I'm handing over my
  159. 7:11virtual microphone to a from Elvis. The
  160. 7:14floor is here. Thanks a lot.
  161. 7:20>> Thank you.
  162. 7:22Um
  163. 7:24so as just a short intro, my name is a
  164. 7:27account manager of Elsis. Um, and a
  165. 7:30short intro of the company for those who
  166. 7:33don't know us. Uh, we're a Swedish
  167. 7:35wireless sensor manufacturer for smart
  168. 7:38building cities and industries and based
  169. 7:41in Sweden and have over 20 years of
  170. 7:44experience of developing high quality
  171. 7:47sensors. Um, quality and reliability is
  172. 7:50at the core of everything we do. And
  173. 7:54we focus on long-term performance, ease
  174. 7:57of installation, and also low
  175. 7:59maintenance for our products. And this
  176. 8:01has made us a trusted partner of
  177. 8:03customers um worldwide with more than
  178. 8:06500,000 sensors installed across a wide
  179. 8:09range of applications.
  180. 8:12And uh as you might know a lot of us our
  181. 8:15sensors are based for indoor climate
  182. 8:17control, energy efficiency, dynamic
  183. 8:20workplaces and uh industrial monitoring.
  184. 8:23And by delivering accurate and reliable
  185. 8:25data over many years, we help customers
  186. 8:28optimize buildings uh operations while
  187. 8:31reducing both costs and environmental
  188. 8:34impacts.
  189. 8:36So with the technologies such as
  190. 8:37Lauravan and others in our portfolio, we
  191. 8:40have the opportunity to to participate
  192. 8:43in many different projects across the
  193. 8:45market and uh all with varying needs.
  194. 8:49So today I would like to show you how
  195. 8:51you can work smarter in buildings and
  196. 8:54you can change the slide. Yes, thank
  197. 8:56you. Um smarter and buildings and
  198. 8:59significantly reducing costs at the same
  199. 9:02time. And this by showing two great use
  200. 9:05cases that our wireless sensors are in.
  201. 9:07And by optimizing how how energy and
  202. 9:10spaces are used within buildings, uh
  203. 9:13resources can be freed up and instead
  204. 9:15invested where they create real value
  205. 9:18for the business or society
  206. 9:22and I think you can change
  207. 9:25slide again.
  208. 9:29Yes. Uh in many properties today uh
  209. 9:31energy is used inefficiently without
  210. 9:33having anyone having full insight into
  211. 9:36it and uh buildings are heated even when
  212. 9:38they are empty. Ventilation systems run
  213. 9:41at full capacity in rooms that are
  214. 9:43rarely used and cooling is produced for
  215. 9:47areas where no one is present. This is
  216. 9:49not only inefficient, it also drives up
  217. 9:52energy costs unnecessarily.
  218. 9:54And uh one major advantage by using well
  219. 9:57wireless sensors uh in the is the
  220. 9:59flexibility of it. Uh sensors can easily
  221. 10:02be added even after a building has uh
  222. 10:05already been constructed without any
  223. 10:08costly rewiring or or major renovations.
  224. 10:13Um and this opens up a lot of
  225. 10:14possibilities for well property owners
  226. 10:17and facility managers to adapt and
  227. 10:19expand uh their smart building solution
  228. 10:22over time. Um,
  229. 10:25and the wireless installations also help
  230. 10:28reduce both installation complexity and
  231. 10:30overall project costs, making smart
  232. 10:32building technology more accessible and
  233. 10:35scalable.
  234. 10:37So, how do you take the step toward a
  235. 10:40more smart building? And in this case,
  236. 10:41we are going to talk about a more energy
  237. 10:44efficient building with wireless
  238. 10:46sensors. Uh and um one of our great
  239. 10:51partners Stockholm XGE from Sweden has a
  240. 10:54great example of this where they have
  241. 10:57installed sensors uh for their customers
  242. 10:59Stockholm. Um and that was to to measure
  243. 11:03temperature and humidity in apartments.
  244. 11:06It's one of Sweden largest property
  245. 11:09rental firms in Stockholm. uh and aims
  246. 11:12to become uh carbon neutral by 2030 and
  247. 11:16also reduce carbon emissions across its
  248. 11:18operations.
  249. 11:21So previously they adjusted the heating
  250. 11:23based on outdoor temperature but this
  251. 11:25often resulted in individual apartments
  252. 11:28becoming either too warm or too cold. I
  253. 11:32think we can change the slide.
  254. 11:41>> Yeah, thank you.
  255. 11:43Um the solution was wireless sensors
  256. 11:45installed in the hallway of each
  257. 11:48apartment and in total there were 22,000
  258. 11:52sensors deployed to measure temperature
  259. 11:54and humidity and the data sent through a
  260. 11:57gateway to the property owners building
  261. 12:00management system. And with access to to
  262. 12:03the real-time uh indoor climate data,
  263. 12:05they were able to optimize the heating
  264. 12:07and ensure a more stable indoor
  265. 12:10temperature in every apartment.
  266. 12:14As a result, this uh property owner
  267. 12:17estimated energy savings equivalent to
  268. 12:21heating demand of 1,200 apartments while
  269. 12:25also reducing operation costs by 6% per
  270. 12:29year. And this was the first year. Um,
  271. 12:32and this case shows how well smart
  272. 12:35wireless sensor technology and real-time
  273. 12:38data can transform property management
  274. 12:41from reactive to proactive. And um, by
  275. 12:46understanding the actual indoor climate
  276. 12:48in each apartment, the CP company was uh
  277. 12:51able to improve tenant comfort. they
  278. 12:54were possible to lower engine energy
  279. 12:57consumption and also significantly
  280. 12:59reduce carbon emissions which was in the
  281. 13:01case here. Um and the result clearly
  282. 13:05demonstrate that sustainability and
  283. 13:07profitability can go in hand in hand
  284. 13:08here proving that datadriven building
  285. 13:11operations are becoming a key part of
  286. 13:14the future and uh sustainable real
  287. 13:17estate as well.
  288. 13:19And I think you can change the slide
  289. 13:21here as well. Thank you. Um, but smart
  290. 13:25buildings are not only about energy
  291. 13:26optimization, of course. Uh, wireless
  292. 13:29sensors can also be used to optimize how
  293. 13:32offices and building spaces are
  294. 13:34utilized, for example. And this is
  295. 13:36exactly what we're going to take a
  296. 13:38closer look at now through one of our
  297. 13:41great fantastic partners, Aensa has been
  298. 13:43in H, and I think it's quite still
  299. 13:46ongoing. Um
  300. 13:48and just short, a Kenza platform
  301. 13:51provider uh worked with a Swiss um
  302. 13:54public organization and they needed a
  303. 13:57scalable solution to to monitor and
  304. 14:01improve the use of office spaces across
  305. 14:03its buildings with the goal of improving
  306. 14:07efficiency and also supporting long-term
  307. 14:11workspace strategy.
  308. 14:14So this project covered five buildings
  309. 14:16and included a deployment of our
  310. 14:19sensors, occupancy sensors across
  311. 14:237,600 desks and also in 1,200 meeting
  312. 14:27rooms.
  313. 14:30So this installation was of course with
  314. 14:33our sensors and as I mentioned before it
  315. 14:36eliminates the need for costly and time
  316. 14:38consuming cabling and uh extensive
  317. 14:42installation work. Uh instead the
  318. 14:44sensors could just be mounted directly
  319. 14:47on the walls or the desks and be up and
  320. 14:50running immediately.
  321. 14:51And through the combination with the
  322. 14:54with our sensors uh and the Aensa
  323. 14:57platform that gives you valuable
  324. 14:59insights of your building, the customer
  325. 15:01gained access to both valuable insights
  326. 15:05for reporting and also through a PowerBI
  327. 15:09dashboard. H they could also have the
  328. 15:11application of find your desk solution
  329. 15:14uh to help them quickly locate available
  330. 15:17workspaces in real time. For example,
  331. 15:21um
  332. 15:23this type of installation uh with
  333. 15:25occupancy in offices or large buildings
  334. 15:27is uh something we increasingly see
  335. 15:30across the market today. And the great
  336. 15:32thing is you don't need to decide today
  337. 15:33what your need will be before a building
  338. 15:36is constructed. You can expand the smart
  339. 15:38building solution over time.
  340. 15:41What is also great about an installation
  341. 15:43like this with desk sensors and a cupcy
  342. 15:46is that many of our customers uh by
  343. 15:49using real-time data organizations can
  344. 15:52reduce unused space, improve operational
  345. 15:56efficiency and in some cases even avoid
  346. 15:58unnecessary climate intensive new
  347. 16:01construction when sufficient capacity
  348. 16:04already exist in in empty buildings. Um
  349. 16:08so there's some very valuable insights
  350. 16:10here. Um and I think you can skip to the
  351. 16:13next slide.
  352. 16:17Um to conclude that was the two use
  353. 16:20cases that I had. Um and this example as
  354. 16:23I said before show how wireless sensor
  355. 16:25technology can help create a smarter and
  356. 16:28more sustainable and specifically a more
  357. 16:31costefficient buildings. And by using
  358. 16:33real-time data, these property owners
  359. 16:36can optimize both energy usage and
  360. 16:38workspace utilization while improving
  361. 16:42comfort for the people inside the
  362. 16:44buildings.
  363. 16:45And one big advantage, as I've said
  364. 16:48throughout this webinar now, is the
  365. 16:50flexibility for wireless technology that
  366. 16:52it enables. Um, you can easily add and
  367. 16:56expand after a building is completed. It
  368. 16:59not only lowers installation costs but
  369. 17:01also gives gives buildings the ability
  370. 17:04to evolve and become smarter over time
  371. 17:07as the needs and um opportunities arise.
  372. 17:12Um and that was it from from Elsis. Um
  373. 17:17thank you. Um
  374. 17:20yeah
  375. 17:28and thanks a lot Edah for this point. Uh
  376. 17:31the next one in our discussion round
  377. 17:33Marco deitz from Tamogan floor is yours
  378. 17:38may thanks for the introduction also for
  379. 17:40hosting us today for his webinar. Um as
  380. 17:44we already heard that today's webinar is
  381. 17:46under the scope of scaling smart
  382. 17:49building and integration and energy
  383. 17:50intelligence with IoT technology. We
  384. 17:54want to focus um
  385. 17:55>> oh um Marco your your um audio is a
  386. 17:59little fuzzy.
  387. 18:02>> Okay. So is it now better?
  388. 18:04>> Um wait can you try and talk again?
  389. 18:08>> Yeah. Hello.
  390. 18:09>> Uh no not really. Um, can you try
  391. 18:14replplugging in your headphones?
  392. 18:24So, I reconnected my phone. Hopefully
  393. 18:26now you can hear me perfect. Okay.
  394. 18:28>> Yeah,
  395. 18:29>> better.
  396. 18:29>> Yeah, many thanks. Okay. As we already
  397. 18:32heard that um the today's webinar is
  398. 18:35under the scope of scaling smart
  399. 18:37building integration and energy
  400. 18:38intelligence. We want to focus um today
  401. 18:42with our part here on the hybrid
  402. 18:44intelligence that um comes up if we
  403. 18:46combine wired and wireless technology
  404. 18:48together smart buildings and we want to
  405. 18:51have a closer look on um single room
  406. 18:54control for that. Yeah, my name is
  407. 18:56Marco. As already mentioned, I'm the
  408. 18:58technical product manager at um Tamocon.
  409. 19:00And since now nearly four years, we are
  410. 19:04doing we are producing sensor solutions
  411. 19:07for Hback applications and um yeah
  412. 19:09building automations.
  413. 19:11On the next slide, I want to start
  414. 19:14today's um on my part with a small
  415. 19:17dilemma that nearly hopefully everybody
  416. 19:20knows who is yeah in this building the
  417. 19:24building game. On the one hand side we
  418. 19:26have the user requirements on a smart
  419. 19:28building and the other hand side the
  420. 19:30operational requirements that somehow
  421. 19:33might stand against each other. Users
  422. 19:36for example want to have situational
  423. 19:39adaptive their comfort and well-being is
  424. 19:41very important and on the other hand
  425. 19:43side the costs for operate for running a
  426. 19:47building is also the most important
  427. 19:49point for the building operators.
  428. 19:53But a really smart building is not only
  429. 19:55dedicated to run somehow or to function.
  430. 19:58It also has to contribute to the um
  431. 20:01users um well-being within the building.
  432. 20:08Yeah, on the next hand side then we see
  433. 20:09how can wireless IoT technology then try
  434. 20:12to um solve this dilemma. How can um
  435. 20:15yeah this technology helps us with that
  436. 20:17and for that we want to go to the single
  437. 20:20room control case study as we at Tamocon
  438. 20:22see that um in the room in the real
  439. 20:24single room control this is where the
  440. 20:27energy is consumed where um that
  441. 20:29integration takes place as this is the
  442. 20:31place where um the users of the building
  443. 20:34are somehow connected with the building.
  444. 20:39Yeah, I guess the best step is that we
  445. 20:41first of all have a look on the status
  446. 20:43quo that we have in yeah commercial
  447. 20:45buildings. For sure you have many new um
  448. 20:49buildings which are freshly equipped
  449. 20:50with technology with some technical
  450. 20:52building equipment. They have um very
  451. 20:55good connectivity across all systems.
  452. 20:58you have data transparency and yeah they
  453. 21:01they are nearly optimized to find a
  454. 21:04balance between the users and the
  455. 21:06operators um operational requirements.
  456. 21:09On the other hand side,
  457. 21:12if we talk about um older buildings or
  458. 21:14all the let me say existing stuff that
  459. 21:16we find on the next slide here is that
  460. 21:20we often times see duplicated systems
  461. 21:23which are somehow installed in buildings
  462. 21:25and yeah which are no longer maintained
  463. 21:27and which causes a kind of data silos.
  464. 21:30That means data somewhere are exist in a
  465. 21:33building but they not coming out of
  466. 21:35that. And yeah most of the buildings we
  467. 21:38are living in um in the next um 30 to 40
  468. 21:42years are already built. That means we
  469. 21:45have enormous retrofit potential out of
  470. 21:47there. And yeah especially when we have
  471. 21:50a look on the latest papers from the
  472. 21:52European Union they estimate that around
  473. 21:5523 of uh of all buildings have this
  474. 21:59potential to be energetically
  475. 22:02um retrofitted.
  476. 22:05Yeah. Next we have to I want to um
  477. 22:09detail a little bit more what we
  478. 22:11understand with a single room control
  479. 22:12and why is um possible to why is it it's
  480. 22:16necessary to
  481. 22:18connect this in order to achieve an
  482. 22:20energy intelligence. There are typical
  483. 22:23components that you need for a room
  484. 22:25control single room control. It's a
  485. 22:27ventilation. It's um yeah fan call unit
  486. 22:29for example. It's a heating or cooling
  487. 22:31system. It's somehow an interface where
  488. 22:34you can control the room where you can
  489. 22:35um adjust something and you need sensors
  490. 22:38for detecting the room's actual status.
  491. 22:41In most times um this are wired somehow
  492. 22:45they are connected with each other and
  493. 22:47yeah the room is running for sure. You
  494. 22:50also see sometimes um radio or radio
  495. 22:53sensors which are radio devices which um
  496. 22:57which are also in the systems but mostly
  497. 23:00they are wired. If you have then an up
  498. 23:02connection to an upstream system like a
  499. 23:04building management system um those are
  500. 23:07most times realized by traditional um
  501. 23:10protocols like backnet mod bus and oh kx
  502. 23:14so what does this mean for us um if we
  503. 23:18talk about so many different components
  504. 23:21we'll see on the next slide that it can
  505. 23:23up in situations like that that you have
  506. 23:25um somehow points where all this cable
  507. 23:27came together and this causes real me
  508. 23:30masses And yeah, but on the other hand
  509. 23:32side um I guess everybody will agree
  510. 23:34that we won't get rid of cable in the
  511. 23:36future. They have their clear advantages
  512. 23:40where you have for example if you talk
  513. 23:42about safety where we talk about um the
  514. 23:44amount of data that can be transmitted
  515. 23:46about latency times. So we um totally um
  516. 23:51we are sure that we somehow will have
  517. 23:54hybrid solutions um within buildings
  518. 23:57also within single room controls also in
  519. 23:59the future.
  520. 24:02On the next slide I try to um yeah
  521. 24:05summarize how
  522. 24:07how such a um setup could look like in
  523. 24:10reality. You have this um the setup that
  524. 24:12I already mentioned the components that
  525. 24:14you need. Then you have a room
  526. 24:15controller that is yeah controlling this
  527. 24:18somehow and where you they are connected
  528. 24:20wirelessly
  529. 24:22wireless with wired together in order to
  530. 24:25operate the room as a standalone
  531. 24:27solution. The setup can be in 20 30 40
  532. 24:31100 times together in one application
  533. 24:34and then you can connect this via um bus
  534. 24:37protocols to an upstream system. But in
  535. 24:40many applications this connectivity to
  536. 24:43um building management system is not
  537. 24:45possible as there are no um wires for
  538. 24:49communication with the building
  539. 24:51management system and that is where
  540. 24:52exactly where Laura comes into the game
  541. 24:54and where we see the big advantage. If
  542. 24:58you change the interface between this
  543. 25:00room and the upper stream system for
  544. 25:03example with the Lauravan interface, it
  545. 25:06opens up all these advantages that
  546. 25:09Lauravan gives you which we try to
  547. 25:11summarize on the next slide.
  548. 25:15If you have a Lauravan um communication
  549. 25:18for from the room directly to an
  550. 25:22upstream system, you can take advantage
  551. 25:24of keeping the legacy infrastructure as
  552. 25:26it is. you are not forced to remove all
  553. 25:28the components which are within a room
  554. 25:31um and just have to add an additional
  555. 25:35interface to it for connecting it to
  556. 25:38yeah all well-known systems to building
  557. 25:40management system or also to cloud-based
  558. 25:42control algorithms to um yeah
  559. 25:45optimization algorithms that also can be
  560. 25:47um executed then on that part also it's
  561. 25:50very easy to um use this for retrofit
  562. 25:53applications that means you don't have
  563. 25:55to shut down um a room for lay for
  564. 25:59running communication cables to it
  565. 26:03or establishing a bus connection. Um you
  566. 26:07can also take advantage of the big
  567. 26:08coverage that Lauravan
  568. 26:11gives you within a building due to its
  569. 26:13deep um radio penetration.
  570. 26:17Yeah. typical use case where this
  571. 26:20application can be
  572. 26:23can be run or is installed that we find
  573. 26:25on next hand slide I try to um work it
  574. 26:28out a little bit is typically for
  575. 26:30apartment hotels or offices. This are
  576. 26:32most times applications which are
  577. 26:35somehow similar to each other. the rooms
  578. 26:37are comparable or the
  579. 26:40the units are comparable and for for
  580. 26:43that application it's very easy to
  581. 26:46achieve this scalation that we talked in
  582. 26:49the beginning and in the end also this
  583. 26:53energy intelligence when we are able to
  584. 26:56control the energy consumption that we
  585. 26:59need for the single room control
  586. 27:02yeah there I hope um that that part I
  587. 27:05could make clear how we see that yeah
  588. 27:09wired and wireless solutions together
  589. 27:12can help us to um integrate the scaling
  590. 27:17to increase this um smart building
  591. 27:20integration and scale it and also to
  592. 27:22increase the energy intelligence um with
  593. 27:25I in buildings when we are able to yeah
  594. 27:30control the energy consumption directly
  595. 27:33um in the buildings
  596. 27:35That's it from my side so far and then I
  597. 27:38hand over to Violeta from M Climate
  598. 27:42to see what they want to present to us.
  599. 27:45Many thanks.
  600. 27:48>> Thanks Marco. Hi everyone. Um really
  601. 27:50nice to be talking to you today and
  602. 27:53joining the Laura Alliance and uh some
  603. 27:54ecosystem partners to discuss the topic.
  604. 27:57It is quite a range of topics uh that we
  605. 28:00have to cover. Uh Eda mentioned um the
  606. 28:02challenges of buildings. Uh also Marco
  607. 28:04managed the integration piece as well
  608. 28:06and I'm really going to focus also on
  609. 28:08the IoT and BMS. Uh if we can move on to
  610. 28:11the next slide, just a few words about M
  611. 28:13Climate. Uh we company uh based in
  612. 28:16Bulgaria. We produce in two
  613. 28:17manufacturing facilities um there. Um
  614. 28:22all of our clients are around Europe,
  615. 28:24but we're also covering now USA and
  616. 28:25Middle East with over 60 markets. and we
  617. 28:28have over 2,500 um international
  618. 28:31clients. U what we focus on is not
  619. 28:34simply sensors, we also do a lot of
  620. 28:36actuators. And I think the beauty of uh
  621. 28:38the system is that we're not only
  622. 28:40monitoring and sensing the data, but we
  623. 28:42also allowing people to control it. On
  624. 28:45the next slide,
  625. 28:47I'm just going to briefly talk about BMS
  626. 28:49and IoT. uh historically BMS and IoT
  627. 28:52were in a bit of a competition and uh
  628. 28:54people who are focused on BMS were
  629. 28:56seeing maybe IoT is a threat and again
  630. 28:59the evolution of IoT and Laura 1 is just
  631. 29:02a it's a way to show that actually IoT
  632. 29:05works on a big scale. So some people got
  633. 29:08discouraged in the past using B2C
  634. 29:10technologies like Wi-Fi, Bluetooth,
  635. 29:12Ziggb uh to achieve something that uh
  636. 29:15wasn't possible. So right now we have uh
  637. 29:17Laura 1 as a scalable technology that
  638. 29:19allows us to have battery operated
  639. 29:21devices with 10 years of battery
  640. 29:23lifetime. I think no one mentioned that
  641. 29:25um so far but really that's a key
  642. 29:27differentiating factor for most of our
  643. 29:30customers uh which are building
  644. 29:31something to scale. So BMS on one side
  645. 29:34was built for the plant. It was not uh
  646. 29:36allowing room by room control. One of
  647. 29:38the part most important part is that
  648. 29:40this was based on cost. So again, you
  649. 29:43had zone level, HVAC control, um
  650. 29:45different chillers and air handling
  651. 29:47units, but none of them had the data
  652. 29:49points that they required to make the
  653. 29:52building more efficient. So all of the
  654. 29:54BMS that's existing in place is uh
  655. 29:56sometimes legacy BMS from 20 years ago.
  656. 30:00Some buildings don't even have a BMS.
  657. 30:02And again, it all required a lot of
  658. 30:04wiring, costly work, and slower
  659. 30:06repayment. So if we were to add wired
  660. 30:08sensors to for room control, we had to
  661. 30:11close a building have a downtime. Right
  662. 30:13now with the Laura one IoT technology,
  663. 30:16we have really no downtime uh for
  664. 30:18closing a building. We can automate it
  665. 30:20within a day. Uh we have customers with
  666. 30:23over 100 to 200 rooms that are
  667. 30:25automating a building within a day and
  668. 30:27really that's uh with minimum uh
  669. 30:29downtime for um any operations of the
  670. 30:32building which allows also a quick
  671. 30:33repayment. Again, nothing that we talked
  672. 30:36so far about, but all these savings that
  673. 30:38can be achieved with a combination of
  674. 30:39BMS and IoT will allow a return
  675. 30:42investment within uh one heating season
  676. 30:44or cooling season depending on the
  677. 30:46geography to two. And that is quite um a
  678. 30:50big selling point for the combination of
  679. 30:52the two technologies. So when we bring
  680. 30:54those two together, we actually give BMS
  681. 30:57better inputs. We're not saying that
  682. 30:59they're competing with each other,
  683. 31:00they're complementing each other. We
  684. 31:02also allow operators who are knowing the
  685. 31:05experience of BMS to something that they
  686. 31:08already know instead of using a software
  687. 31:10on top of that they're just uh getting
  688. 31:12more data points into the system that
  689. 31:14they already know and operate. So we are
  690. 31:16also removing um most of the cost
  691. 31:18required for further wiring and then we
  692. 31:21kind of unlock this whole project um
  693. 31:23value that stays within uh losing the
  694. 31:27room by room control and just having a
  695. 31:29zone level uh BMS system. Again on top
  696. 31:32of that we have a lot of partners that
  697. 31:33use AI to do analytics uh for example
  698. 31:36with the seaman's connect box and bible
  699. 31:39in Switzerland. So really the
  700. 31:41opportunities for BMS and IoT go further
  701. 31:44beyond in the future uh with AI. Uh on
  702. 31:47the next slide
  703. 31:50it's just a quick presentation of power
  704. 31:52sensors and actuators. So um in addition
  705. 31:55to the standard sensors like humidity
  706. 31:57and temperature and occupancy we have
  707. 31:59developed a lot of actuators who control
  708. 32:01which allow you to control around 80% of
  709. 32:03the energy in the building. This is
  710. 32:05quite significant for retrofitting and
  711. 32:07again most of the retrofit is based on
  712. 32:09older buildings historical heritage
  713. 32:11buildings that really have thick walls
  714. 32:14where the lower one technology is best
  715. 32:16um applicable for. So on one side is the
  716. 32:19first Laura one tier view on the market
  717. 32:21which which we allow to have up to 35%
  718. 32:24savings by just using uh that retrofit
  719. 32:28alone. On the other side we have fan
  720. 32:30code thermostats um something like the
  721. 32:32the presentation as well. It is uh a
  722. 32:35wired piece that allows you to control
  723. 32:37the building cooling and heating. Uh and
  724. 32:40again it is allowing you to on board on
  725. 32:42a room by room basis. We have the
  726. 32:44wireless thermosite as well that allows
  727. 32:45you to control multiple TRVs in a room.
  728. 32:48Uh it has occupancy detection so you can
  729. 32:50make scenarios around if a building is
  730. 32:52not occupied or a room specifically is
  731. 32:54not occupied you don't have to heat it.
  732. 32:57And we're launching soon um smart AC
  733. 32:59controller in most of the warmer
  734. 33:01countries in the Mediterranean. we have
  735. 33:03a lot of individual split AC units that
  736. 33:06are not controlled within the BMS. Um on
  737. 33:09the next slide,
  738. 33:13since I mentioned actuators again to the
  739. 33:16standard humidity and temperature
  740. 33:18sensors and the standard humidity and
  741. 33:20temperature sensors with occupancy
  742. 33:21detection, we have developed a few
  743. 33:23switches. Again, the switches are a very
  744. 33:26it's a cabled way again, but very much
  745. 33:28easier to install. They fit between any
  746. 33:31uh switch or power socket and allows you
  747. 33:34to take over control of let's say
  748. 33:36vending machines, fans, presentation
  749. 33:38screens, even uh desks at um the office
  750. 33:42where you can just uh first get uh
  751. 33:44metering if you need it's submetering so
  752. 33:47electric power control. You have the dry
  753. 33:49switch as well uh which allows you to um
  754. 33:52have um the dry switch relay for on and
  755. 33:55off and it allows you to put schedules
  756. 33:57in all those uh equipment that you have
  757. 33:59plugged into a socket. On the next
  758. 34:02slide,
  759. 34:05I think here I just picked a few cases
  760. 34:07uh just to illustrate the BMS and IoT
  761. 34:10together. Instead of just having IoT uh
  762. 34:13data going into a platform that is not
  763. 34:15connected to the BMS, uh I've picked
  764. 34:17some examples where these two
  765. 34:19technologies work together quite well. I
  766. 34:21probably won't have time to go through
  767. 34:23all of the examples. I will pick one or
  768. 34:24two. Uh here is educational
  769. 34:26institutions. I have another slide that
  770. 34:28is about health care and we have uh
  771. 34:31public buildings and offices. But
  772. 34:33essentially u at your own time I could
  773. 34:35share more slides but right now I just
  774. 34:37want to illustrate how easy it works to
  775. 34:39have the BMS integration. So you
  776. 34:41wouldn't necessarily have to do uh
  777. 34:43coding and a lot of work on the on that
  778. 34:46piece. You will have to have the sensors
  779. 34:48on one side and the actuators that I
  780. 34:50mentioned. You will have a gateway that
  781. 34:52is not a standard Laura one gateway.
  782. 34:54It's a Laura 1 gateway that converts
  783. 34:56Laura 1 into uh BMS protocols like
  784. 34:59backnet mob bus kx 3D omniadara. So
  785. 35:04essentially um your your setup is quite
  786. 35:06easy. Again, we still have one gateway
  787. 35:08for the full fuel building. Maybe two,
  788. 35:10maybe five. In this case of the Brussels
  789. 35:13University of British, it's uh nine
  790. 35:15gateways that we had. Uh it's quite a
  791. 35:17wide building. Again, right now we have
  792. 35:19uh 420
  793. 35:21Vicky's and another 200 air quality
  794. 35:24sensors, but the installation itself,
  795. 35:26the nine gateways cover um 2,000 devices
  796. 35:29that we're currently installing without
  797. 35:31needing to add more gateways because we
  798. 35:33managed to get the whole building uh
  799. 35:34with that. With the first pilot phase,
  800. 35:36we managed to save 31.5% of the energy
  801. 35:39cost. There was a gateway in the middle
  802. 35:41from Colorado that made those uh points
  803. 35:44from the Vicki uh as native objects to
  804. 35:47the backnet BMS and that was really u an
  805. 35:50easy way to do it. So the the university
  806. 35:52itself with its own facility management
  807. 35:54and property management together with
  808. 35:56Colorado which was the gateway
  809. 35:57manufacturer managed to install those uh
  810. 36:00devices quite quickly and get to those
  811. 36:02returns within one year. Um on the other
  812. 36:05side I'm just showing another uh school
  813. 36:07again over three floors. uh it's
  814. 36:09classrooms and some apartments uh 130
  815. 36:12devices uh a few third party sensors
  816. 36:16this is also illustrating the beauty of
  817. 36:17Laura 1an it's open protocol you can mi
  818. 36:20mix and match different sensor providers
  819. 36:22and manufacturers and then integrate all
  820. 36:25this data uh without without any
  821. 36:28integration issues with the existing uh
  822. 36:29building management system in this case
  823. 36:31we achieve 35% savings again from
  824. 36:34switching to normal from normal TVs to
  825. 36:36the dickv
  826. 36:38Laura one tier V and got to 18 months
  827. 36:41return investment achieved. On the next
  828. 36:44slide
  829. 36:56Chancy
  830. 37:01>> is it not showing?
  831. 37:03>> No.
  832. 37:03>> Okay.
  833. 37:04>> Oh yeah. Yeah.
  834. 37:05>> Okay. Great.
  835. 37:06>> So yeah. So this is just an example and
  836. 37:08I won't won't walk through all of the
  837. 37:10examples here. Uh it's just mentioning
  838. 37:12that healthcare and welfare again
  839. 37:14historical buildings that are uh with an
  840. 37:17old BMS system are very much um our
  841. 37:20target to benefit from energy savings
  842. 37:21and in most cases we've proven the 30%
  843. 37:24savings and 30% and above savings. And
  844. 37:27here it's just another illustration that
  845. 37:29it doesn't matter how big your project
  846. 37:30is. on on the very right right hand side
  847. 37:32we have uh rehabilitation center in
  848. 37:35Norway with only 70 devices and on the
  849. 37:38other side we have the 2,000 devices
  850. 37:40that I mentioned in the university so
  851. 37:42really doesn't matter the scale of the
  852. 37:44project everything can have the BMS
  853. 37:46integration with IoT here I think I have
  854. 37:49two more examples of different gateways
  855. 37:52in the middle like the seams connect box
  856. 37:55and cycling BMS essentially they allowed
  857. 37:58those uh Laura one points data points
  858. 38:00points to come as native uh in the
  859. 38:02integration to the existing BMS allowing
  860. 38:04for this to scale much quicker uh for
  861. 38:06all sorts of um institutions and again
  862. 38:09uh thank you very much for the time and
  863. 38:11um I'll hand over to Michael and yeah
  864. 38:14the slides will be available with more
  865. 38:16details from us on the integration
  866. 38:17between BMS and IoT.
  867. 38:28Hello everybody. Uh well, thank you very
  868. 38:31much Vonita for the introduction and and
  869. 38:34to my other uh colleagues from the
  870. 38:37industry for for all this insightful
  871. 38:40information. So let me present myself.
  872. 38:42I'm Michael. I'm an account manager at
  873. 38:45Wico overlooking the international
  874. 38:48business. Um maybe just a few words
  875. 38:52about what we we come from if we thank
  876. 38:56you. Uh so WCO is a is a European
  877. 39:00manufacturer of Lawan sensors. We're
  878. 39:02actually based in France. We have a
  879. 39:04couple of ENT entities. We do produce
  880. 39:06our products locally in France. So there
  881. 39:09are 100
  882. 39:11French bred devices. Uh to date uh Wico
  883. 39:15has um has uh over
  884. 39:2040 plus certified Lauraan devices. Uh we
  885. 39:25also have
  886. 39:27OEM activity. Uh
  887. 39:30actually WO is is a has a 30-year-old
  888. 39:34experience in RF technology and
  889. 39:38obviously many manufacturing electronic
  890. 39:41components.
  891. 39:42Uh so altogether we are based out of
  892. 39:45Briti where everything happens. And uh
  893. 39:48really today the idea is for us to show
  894. 39:52you how scalable uh uh we can provide
  895. 39:57help our partners obviously being in the
  896. 40:00Lawan environment it's a entire
  897. 40:04ecosystem just not collecting data from
  898. 40:07a Lawan standpoint but there are we also
  899. 40:09have other industry partners on which we
  900. 40:13heavily rely on in order to to build
  901. 40:16projects. So it's like more like a team
  902. 40:19effort. Um we do have interoperable
  903. 40:25wireless sensing solutions. uh and maybe
  904. 40:28a little note on the various challenges
  905. 40:32that we face uh in the industry whether
  906. 40:35it's in smart building whether it's in
  907. 40:38energy efficiency uh industrial
  908. 40:41environment or also uh we we we cover
  909. 40:45ATEX certified environments in some
  910. 40:49cases which include explosive
  911. 40:52environments. So uh Wiko is also al also
  912. 40:56specializes in in that department. Um
  913. 41:01so maybe if we can move to the next
  914. 41:03slide. Thank you.
  915. 41:07So uh about all about what products um
  916. 41:11we try to make it seamless as possible
  917. 41:14to uh integrate our products in in the
  918. 41:18the ecosystem. Obviously, I'm sure most
  919. 41:21of the people are more than well aware
  920. 41:24of the uh the uh the law architecture
  921. 41:27and and what it needs to to to bring. Um
  922. 41:31so maybe we can skip that one and move
  923. 41:34on to the next slide please. Uh Chy.
  924. 41:39Uh so seamless integration into building
  925. 41:42ecosystems. So obviously the the overall
  926. 41:46idea is to uh is to make it as simple as
  927. 41:49possible. I mentioned several partners.
  928. 41:53There are a lot more than the the ones
  929. 41:55which are actually shown here. Uh but we
  930. 41:58are talking about gateway manufacturers.
  931. 42:00We're talking about LNS providers and
  932. 42:05and um well application desks or
  933. 42:10application platforms where actually
  934. 42:13data is is is read. Um the overall idea
  935. 42:18is that we try to uh have as much
  936. 42:21partnership as possible to have native
  937. 42:23integration with the LNS major LNS and
  938. 42:27IoT platforms and obviously have
  939. 42:31an extended compatibility such as
  940. 42:33backnet for instance. I believe that my
  941. 42:35my previous colleagues mentioned that on
  942. 42:38on a on a larger scale as well. Um next
  943. 42:43slide please.
  944. 42:50Uh just to give you a very brief
  945. 42:52overview of some of our products uh
  946. 42:56linked to the air quality uh
  947. 43:00we we talked about uh a lot in the
  948. 43:04previous sessions or in the previous
  949. 43:05examples of indoor air quality. So uh
  950. 43:09yes what is is part of that uh or as
  951. 43:14well typically I can we can show typical
  952. 43:18product measuring various parameters
  953. 43:20within the indoor air quality management
  954. 43:23and I believe that Vita mentioned a key
  955. 43:26element of the Laurawan devices which is
  956. 43:29obviously the uh the length uh that is
  957. 43:34possible with with Lauraan sensors.
  958. 43:36Obviously they are low power and and
  959. 43:39very long range. Um maybe one point
  960. 43:43where I would like to insist a little
  961. 43:45bit more is to go a little bit further
  962. 43:47than just the indoor management of the
  963. 43:51smart building. Uh but actually looking
  964. 43:54at the broader view of the uh smart
  965. 43:58building. Uh we we already mentioned
  966. 44:02ventilation. So to some extent it's it
  967. 44:06in a lot of cases it happens down below
  968. 44:09outside
  969. 44:12in in difficult places where it's
  970. 44:15accessible. So we have another devices
  971. 44:17device device typically in order to
  972. 44:20measure um the differentiatorial
  973. 44:23pressure of an HVAC system in order to
  974. 44:27accurately monitor it from a from a
  975. 44:29distance. Um if we can move to the next
  976. 44:32slide and I would like to introduce you
  977. 44:35to uh something that we may not see as a
  978. 44:39user within the indoor quality
  979. 44:42management uh air quality management.
  980. 44:45It's the uh products more related to the
  981. 44:50energy efficiency where we actually
  982. 44:53focus on meters. Uh and at Watu we we we
  983. 44:57carry a full range of different uh um
  984. 45:00devices enabled to uh read all type of
  985. 45:04meters ranging from water, electricity
  986. 45:08and gas. Uh typically uh these meters
  987. 45:12are are
  988. 45:15well our devices are more rugged into an
  989. 45:17industrial environment because these are
  990. 45:20uh uh down in the cave or where where
  991. 45:25all the the metering happen in the in
  992. 45:28the basement of a building for instance
  993. 45:30and clearly the Lawan environment
  994. 45:33enables uh to get access uh to to to to
  995. 45:38to these difficult parts
  996. 45:41enabling remote monitoring. Uh so in
  997. 45:44terms of energy efficiency typically a
  998. 45:47couple of devices um either by flash
  999. 45:52monitoring typically for electricity
  1000. 45:54meters or pulse monitoring uh which
  1001. 45:58would relate to water, gas or or even
  1002. 46:03electricity to to some extent with again
  1003. 46:06a large uh uh life battery lifetime. Um
  1004. 46:11maybe you can move to the next slide
  1005. 46:13please Jansy.
  1006. 46:21So, uh, focusing on on one of the use
  1007. 46:25cases that that WCO has been able to to
  1008. 46:28put forward with with its uh with its
  1009. 46:31ecosystem partners is looking at a huge
  1010. 46:35camping and remote mobile homes. uh
  1011. 46:39where we actually deployed uh efficiency
  1012. 46:43monitoring devices such as the the
  1013. 46:45flasho in this case uh which uh is a
  1014. 46:49meter electricity meter reading device.
  1015. 46:52Uh so overall more than 300 devices were
  1016. 46:56were spread across the uh the site in
  1017. 47:01order to um
  1018. 47:03do submittering monitoring and
  1019. 47:06consumption tracking. Um so uh the idea
  1020. 47:11was to have the devices extremely easily
  1021. 47:16um deployed. Uh it's almost plug and
  1022. 47:20play. Um
  1023. 47:22we bring up uh the um the the insurance
  1024. 47:27or the ease of having an autonomy
  1025. 47:30battery life span of of about 12 years
  1026. 47:34which is huge for a site like that. So
  1027. 47:36you don't have to worry about changing
  1028. 47:38anything. Um
  1029. 47:41and maybe moving to the next slide so we
  1030. 47:44can go a little bit more into details of
  1031. 47:45the into how this really benefited uh
  1032. 47:49for for this campsite. Um so as I
  1033. 47:52mentioned we deployed about 300 plus
  1034. 47:56electricity meters. Uh as you can easily
  1035. 47:59understand uh we eliminate uh the manual
  1036. 48:03reading because now it's all remotely
  1037. 48:06monitored. Um
  1038. 48:09we can create alerts or have immediate
  1039. 48:13detection of over consumption or
  1040. 48:15abnormals consumption. Typically um it's
  1041. 48:18a very simple retrofit.
  1042. 48:21uh so that makes it uh seamless for for
  1043. 48:25the integrators to uh to to to use that
  1044. 48:28and obviously uh turns turns out to be a
  1045. 48:32very scalable infrastructure for uh for
  1046. 48:35future energy services.
  1047. 48:38So
  1048. 48:40overall um that's uh that's about it on
  1049. 48:44what equals part. Uh I would like to to
  1050. 48:47to thank you for for your attention. Uh
  1051. 48:50and uh um I will hand it over back to uh
  1052. 48:54Yan from Zaner who will take over in in
  1053. 48:59terms of questions and answers and uh
  1054. 49:02and follow up with that. Thank you.
  1055. 49:05>> Thank you Michael for your for your
  1056. 49:06presentation. Um and also thank you to
  1057. 49:09all of the other speakers to your for
  1058. 49:11your talks. Always impressive to see how
  1059. 49:13wide the range of solutions for Lurovan
  1060. 49:16is. Um taking a first look to the
  1061. 49:20questions. There was one uh questions
  1062. 49:22coming up about just right at your uh
  1063. 49:26call Michael about the that luran
  1064. 49:29provides a lot of advantages for energy
  1065. 49:32for quality aspects but the energy
  1066. 49:35consumptions is a significant challenge
  1067. 49:38to monitor. So this is true but I think
  1068. 49:40also you gave a quite good example how
  1069. 49:42wo in this manner managed to focus on
  1070. 49:46the energy consumption as well as in the
  1071. 49:48talks from Marco and uh I guess also
  1072. 49:52Vleta and EDA more or less all had some
  1073. 49:55content about the management of energy
  1074. 49:58consumptions with Laura. Is there
  1075. 50:00anything from the audience uh to give
  1076. 50:03more insights about what is there
  1077. 50:06specific issue about energy moni energy
  1078. 50:08consumption with Lauravan?
  1079. 50:17I guess it was quite a comprehensive few
  1080. 50:20that we got here. In case if anything
  1081. 50:21comes to your mind, just let us know.
  1082. 50:25I'm heading over to the next questions.
  1083. 50:27Um so I think this is regarding via
  1084. 50:31letters uh presentation
  1085. 50:34um that the um the the the savings were
  1086. 50:40quite high and um
  1087. 50:45how it was calculated was it the 30% of
  1088. 50:49energy savings which is calculated in a
  1089. 50:51one two or three year return of
  1090. 50:53investment
  1091. 50:54>> so yeah I think I mentioned the return
  1092. 50:56on investment period In most of the
  1093. 50:58cases uh the around 30% is uh repayment
  1094. 51:02within the first year of operation. So
  1095. 51:04one heating season 12 months uh usually
  1096. 51:07six months of heating or a maximum two
  1097. 51:10years depending on the energy prices.
  1098. 51:12Again most of our installations when
  1099. 51:15it's hardware um and the and the gateway
  1100. 51:17and the infrastructure repay themselves
  1101. 51:19within the first or the second year of
  1102. 51:21operation. The actual savings the way
  1103. 51:23they are calculated is weather
  1104. 51:24adjustment savings. So essentially it
  1105. 51:27will take down the effect of weather uh
  1106. 51:29getting warmer let's say in in the
  1107. 51:31winter. Uh but yeah the usual range is
  1108. 51:3315 to 35% and return on investment
  1109. 51:36within one or two years depending on the
  1110. 51:38energy price.
  1111. 51:40>> And I guess thank you I guess it comes
  1112. 51:43from uh it also addressed to you from
  1113. 51:45the same person. What in your opinion is
  1114. 51:48the largest challenges to overcome
  1115. 51:49installation? Is it battery usage
  1116. 51:52powered uh or um what is the what are
  1117. 51:55the challenges in installing the devices
  1118. 51:58and maintaining them?
  1119. 51:59>> Um I think there is not that much of a
  1120. 52:02challenge in installing the devices. Uh
  1121. 52:04pretty much most of them are taking one
  1122. 52:06to five minutes to install. I think uh
  1123. 52:09the integration piece when we talk about
  1124. 52:11IoT and BMS could be more challenging
  1125. 52:13but that's why we used the recommended
  1126. 52:16gateway manufacturers that have made
  1127. 52:18that onboarding process quite quick. So
  1128. 52:20essentially instead of people having to
  1129. 52:22write their own drivers or do the
  1130. 52:24integration themselves there is now
  1131. 52:26gateways from uh semens multitech that
  1132. 52:29has this BMS integration done natively.
  1133. 52:32IQ Nexus is another example. Vatsense.
  1134. 52:34So really I think the Laura one market
  1135. 52:36has evolved into removing that
  1136. 52:39operational challenge. It's not the
  1137. 52:40installation uh in this in this case.
  1138. 52:43It's kind of the integration piece
  1139. 52:44between the Laura one technology and the
  1140. 52:46existing BMS. And this has been kind of
  1141. 52:48solved by our partners.
  1142. 52:51>> And I can also say from my perspective
  1143. 52:53the advantage of Laura to be that energy
  1144. 52:55efficient uh that you have devices in in
  1145. 52:58the feed for for a couple of years. It's
  1146. 53:00just a a huge benefit just compared when
  1147. 53:03it comes to thermal set controls where
  1148. 53:06you in the old days has to go there a
  1149. 53:08couple of times in a week. So this is a
  1150. 53:11huge benefit in terms of labor cost
  1151. 53:14efforts that we're raising here.
  1152. 53:17Um next question there is also the
  1153. 53:20question uh about uh there seem to be a
  1154. 53:23lot of developments of Laura
  1155. 53:24technologies in internal building
  1156. 53:26management systems. What are few? I
  1157. 53:29think it's addressed to the whole group.
  1158. 53:31What have you seen in terms of
  1159. 53:32development a need for outdoor climate
  1160. 53:35sensing controls and building
  1161. 53:36applications? I guess it's uh it intends
  1162. 53:39to somehow refer to outdoor climate and
  1163. 53:43indoor climate itself. Does anyone from
  1164. 53:45Europe want to answer the question
  1165. 53:53again? I'm noting it. What have you seen
  1166. 53:56in terms of development? Yeah, maybe I
  1167. 54:00can try to I mean looking at outdoor
  1168. 54:02environment I mean I believe that
  1169. 54:07we we we uh we also have quite a lot of
  1170. 54:10outdoor products. So we do understand
  1171. 54:13the uh the the necessity for uh making
  1172. 54:18the products uh outdoor ready uh which
  1173. 54:22is already a big challenge. I think we
  1174. 54:24uh nobody's not aware everybody's well
  1175. 54:27aware of of the IP the different IP
  1176. 54:31ratings whether you have any kind of
  1177. 54:33humidity or you need full waterproof
  1178. 54:36devices in in outdoor management
  1179. 54:38especially when you're close to water
  1180. 54:40meters or purely outdoors and that that
  1181. 54:43requires a lot of attention. Uh so
  1182. 54:46that's uh I hope this tends to answer
  1183. 54:50the the initial question. Um
  1184. 54:54>> yeah, thank you.
  1185. 54:57Um I guess it's it gives a a good um
  1186. 55:00answer for that one. We have a couple of
  1187. 55:03more questions coming up. So I'm heading
  1188. 55:05to the next one. So there is a question
  1189. 55:06about what is your opinion about
  1190. 55:08batteryless solutions in smart building.
  1191. 55:10So uh of course those devices existing
  1192. 55:13also with Luron. We uh use case wise
  1193. 55:17have now a lot of um partners here
  1194. 55:19within the webinar. I guess none of you
  1195. 55:21offers better batteryless
  1196. 55:24devices, right?
  1197. 55:26>> Do we have some? Yeah, maybe Eda has as
  1198. 55:28well. Sorry.
  1199. 55:29>> Okay, so go on.
  1200. 55:31>> We use uh solar solar technology and
  1201. 55:33solar panels. So, essentially they're
  1202. 55:35light harvesting indoor and outdoor.
  1203. 55:37These are quite good for CO2 monitoring
  1204. 55:40and humidity and temperature monitoring.
  1205. 55:42When it comes to actuators, they consume
  1206. 55:44a lot more energy like the TRV. And
  1207. 55:46there are some energy harvesting um
  1208. 55:49solutions on the market. But right now,
  1209. 55:51um we believe that energy harvesting for
  1210. 55:54actuators is much more complicated. You
  1211. 55:56still need to have um battery embedded
  1212. 55:59and again that has a life. So even
  1213. 56:01though they're marketed as batteryless
  1214. 56:04devices, they actually have a
  1215. 56:06capacitator inside uh which is a is is a
  1216. 56:10sort of a battery. So we think that it
  1217. 56:12works for humidity and temperature for
  1218. 56:14CO2 uh light solar panels do work. Uh
  1219. 56:18energy harvesting for actuators a little
  1220. 56:20bit different story
  1221. 56:27>> you're nodding your head.
  1222. 56:30same.
  1223. 56:30>> Yeah. Yeah. We have a better batteryless
  1224. 56:34sensors ourselves um solar panel and uh
  1225. 56:39I really really do think it's the
  1226. 56:40future. Um it not only measures the same
  1227. 56:44thing as all other sensors for example
  1228. 56:46in our portfolio but it also one key
  1229. 56:49point is that it reduce the maintenance
  1230. 56:52of u going and
  1231. 56:55taking out the batteries and changing
  1232. 56:57them every year. It's a lifetime sensor,
  1233. 57:00so it really is the future, I think, and
  1234. 57:03it has a some great great uh valuable
  1235. 57:07benefits with it. So, yeah, absolutely.
  1236. 57:09I believe it's the future.
  1237. 57:12>> Thank you, Eda. Uh the next question, uh
  1238. 57:15very happy to see the name Remy, a
  1239. 57:17well-known person in the alliance, uh
  1240. 57:20asking the the very good question about
  1241. 57:22what about matter? Uh so does anyone
  1242. 57:24here within the the speakers round have
  1243. 57:27any specific experience with matter as a
  1244. 57:31standard connecting those various
  1245. 57:34worlds?
  1246. 57:43>> Sorry. Uh where are you talking about
  1247. 57:45meters?
  1248. 57:46>> Matter matter the the matter standard.
  1249. 57:49So
  1250. 57:51>> not meters. Sorry matters. No, I got it
  1251. 57:53wrong. Sorry.
  1252. 57:57>> No, it it came up a couple of years, but
  1253. 57:59it seems to be much more um especially
  1254. 58:03in the smart building market being more
  1255. 58:05prominent there. So from your mline and
  1256. 58:09fate and also
  1257. 58:14have you any kind of projects who refer
  1258. 58:16which are explicitly using matter or do
  1259. 58:19you have any kind of matter experience
  1260. 58:21in that sense?
  1261. 58:23>> Uh we don't we have done research and
  1262. 58:25development on the technology itself or
  1263. 58:28the connectivity part of it. uh but we
  1264. 58:31we thought it's more B2C market or I I
  1265. 58:34need to check but if that person who
  1266. 58:35asked the question we have some research
  1267. 58:37available to compare it maybe with Laura
  1268. 58:391 but the reason why we stayed with
  1269. 58:41Laura 1 at the end is the battery
  1270. 58:43lifetime the price of the components and
  1271. 58:45uh really the connectivity benefits uh
  1272. 58:48but yeah I can maybe provide some um
  1273. 58:50research from from our team on on the
  1274. 58:52matter
  1275. 58:54>> thank you what also I can say from
  1276. 58:56designer perspective is that also we saw
  1277. 58:59matter at least at the stage now in the
  1278. 59:02B2C uh perspective there. Um but the
  1279. 59:06more it's getting popular to the B2B
  1280. 59:08market of course I think all of the
  1281. 59:11device manufacturers are going to take a
  1282. 59:13deeper look to it. But at the moment uh
  1283. 59:17it isn't as far as it can go but maybe
  1284. 59:19we would have such kind of a kind of
  1285. 59:21webinar next year at the same time the
  1286. 59:23situation might have changed.
  1287. 59:26Um let's just look and then the last
  1288. 59:29question is um
  1289. 59:32quite a general question. Uh are we
  1290. 59:35research wise how active are the uh
  1291. 59:37companies here with you universities in
  1292. 59:40that in that sense? Is there any kind of
  1293. 59:43specific research project uh somebody
  1294. 59:45wants to refer?
  1295. 59:55I mean I would say but I also can say
  1296. 59:57from my perspective that I mean more or
  1297. 1:00:00less all of us are actively in internal
  1298. 1:00:03research but especially when it comes to
  1299. 1:00:05to the building aspect this is and in
  1300. 1:00:08the B2B market this is quite a a
  1301. 1:00:11specific thing another foundational
  1302. 1:00:13research so the the scope of traditional
  1303. 1:00:16research projects with European
  1304. 1:00:18universities might be limited but it
  1305. 1:00:20doesn't mean necessarily that we don't
  1306. 1:00:22do any kind of research going over it
  1307. 1:00:24but uh uh the scope is maybe not on the
  1308. 1:00:27traditional theoretical research in that
  1309. 1:00:30way with classical university research
  1310. 1:00:32projects.
  1311. 1:00:36Okay. Well, uh I see in my question
  1312. 1:00:41screen no open questions so far and we
  1313. 1:00:44almost precisely hit the 60 61 minutes.
  1314. 1:00:48So this is uh a very good point from my
  1315. 1:00:51side now to um to cut it down. So first
  1316. 1:00:54of all, I want to thank the audience for
  1317. 1:00:57spending the time with us with the Laura
  1318. 1:00:58Alliance webinar to share your ideas
  1319. 1:01:01within the Q&A session. So, it's a
  1320. 1:01:03pleasure um to have you here all within
  1321. 1:01:07the webinar and of course a very big
  1322. 1:01:09thank you to the works of our speakers
  1323. 1:01:11here to all of you to share as well your
  1324. 1:01:14time and um it is always a pleasure also
  1325. 1:01:18for me to host such good speakers and
  1326. 1:01:21also such a fruitful uh um discussion
  1327. 1:01:24later on. So, thanks a lot. We uh hope
  1328. 1:01:27to see you again either in the alliance
  1329. 1:01:29at some shows or whe in the connected
  1330. 1:01:32IoT virtual. Thanks a lot again from my
  1331. 1:01:34side and I wish you a pleasant afternoon
  1332. 1:01:37or good day wherever you stay at the
  1333. 1:01:39world. So thanks a lot and goodbye.
  1334. 1:01:43>> Thank you. Bye
  1335. 1:01:45>> bye.

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