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0:00Disclaimer. This video is for commentary
0:02and educational purposes only. All
0:04individuals are presumed innocent until
0:06proven guilty in a court of law. Any
0:08footage used in this video is obtained
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0:14analysis, and public interest.
0:18>> You got no sir, I didn't get that. Yes,
0:21you did. Sir, in 2020,
0:25>> a respected Navy attorney, a woman who
0:28suddenly vanished, and a chilling
0:30discovery in the Georgia woods that left
0:32investigators scrambling for answers.
0:34Nicholas Casotus appeared to be a man of
0:37discipline and prestige. A former
0:39military lawyer who had once stood for
0:41justice. But behind closed doors, his
0:44marriage to Mindy Casotus was marked by
0:46secrecy, constant moves, and a web of
0:49stories no one could quite untangle.
0:52Then in late 2022, hunters stumbled upon
0:55something no one was prepared to see.
0:58Dismembered human remains hidden deep in
1:00rural Liberty County. What followed was
1:03a painstaking investigation that
1:05unraveled layers of deception. Family
1:08and friends began to realize that the
1:10truth about Mindy's disappearance had
1:12been buried beneath carefully crafted
1:14lies. And when detectives finally sat
1:16Casotus down in the interrogation room,
1:19they were met with a story so bizarre it
1:21bordered on the unbelievable. This is
1:23the interrogation of Nicholas Cassotus.
1:28>> Hey sir, she's back here for me. I never
1:31thought I heard him ask you any water or
1:32anything.
1:33>> Yeah.
1:35>> Yeah.
1:37Remember
1:39last time we talked we talked about
1:42discovering talking about the doctor's
1:43office and that before I do that I'm
1:46read your rights again. I know even
1:47though you're attorney we still go
1:49through the same procedures
1:52or used to be an attorney I guess.
1:53>> Yeah.
1:56>> You understand you have the right to
1:58remain silent?
1:59>> Yes sir.
1:59>> Anything you say used against you for a
2:01while?
2:02>> Yes sir.
2:02>> You have the right to talk to a lawyer
2:04and have broke with you while you're
2:05being questioned.
2:06>> Yes sir. You can if you can afford to
2:08hire a lawyer who won't be appointed
2:10represent you before any question if you
2:11wish. Yes sir. And you can decide the
2:13next time exercise rights I'll answer
2:15any questions or make any statements.
2:17>> Yes sir.
2:17>> Can you understand your rights? Are you
2:19willing to talk to us?
2:20>> Yes sir.
2:24>> I read them first. you know, naturally.
2:40>> Yes.
2:41>> Okay.
2:42>> Sorry.
2:50>> How was the plane? Right. It
2:52>> was fine, sir.
2:52>> You good?
2:53>> Yes, sir. been treated fairly with
2:55everything.
2:56>> Yes, sir.
2:59>> Okay. And we continue to do that.
3:06>> All right. Do you have any questions of
3:07me first?
3:09>> Um I don't I don't know. It's been a
3:11spinning.
3:14It's been a It's been about two weeks.
3:17>> Um I don't think so. Do you know Do you
3:19know where my dog is?
3:20>> I do.
3:21>> Okay.
3:21>> We'll answer that. Let's say that to
3:23your dog's safe and good.
3:25>> Okay. Been taken care of.
3:27>> Um, back to where we kind of left off,
3:30the doctor's office. Um, tell me about
3:33the day that you got called to the
3:35doctor's office.
3:37>> Yeah. Uh, who called you?
3:41I got I don't know some somebody I got a
3:45phone call.
3:47I forget from who. I don't know if it
3:49was somebody I knew or not. asking if I
3:51could I don't think it was somebody I
3:53knew asking if if I could come and pick
3:55her up uh that afternoon.
3:57>> Okay.
3:58>> Around I I think around 3, but I'm not
4:01exactly sure.
4:03>> Um
4:06I
4:10might have been like I'm not exactly
4:11sure. Um her her dad had surgery that
4:15week
4:17so a little was
4:20I could normally tell
4:22basic times based on stuff like that
4:26know him coming and going. And
4:28>> so this was before he had surgery.
4:30>> No, no, he No, he had had surgery.
4:32>> I believe he had surgery either that day
4:35or the day before.
4:36>> So he had surgery that day or that the
4:39day before?
4:40>> Yeah.
4:41>> Um so it was it was different. Um he was
4:46he was he was in the house. Oh,
4:49>> okay.
4:50>> So, he was later, so dad was at home.
4:53>> Yes.
4:54>> And you got a call. Picked up me.
4:56>> Yes. Yeah. I got a call I think sometime
4:58earlier that morning. I'm not exactly
5:00sure of the time. Um
5:04>> Okay.
5:05>> I left
5:07shortly before, maybe
5:10half an hour before.
5:12>> Okay.
5:13>> And was driving there and
5:19hadn't gotten very far and got a call
5:21saying that it was actually going to be
5:22a little bit later.
5:24>> Okay.
5:25>> Um still you I believe it was it was
5:28somebody from from the office.
5:30>> Okay.
5:32>> And uh at that point I wasn't really
5:36sure what to do um in terms of my time.
5:40Um, I drove out I think I drove out
5:43towards that way a bit and then I went
5:47um and ran a couple of errands.
5:50>> Yeah. What errands did you ran?
5:51>> I think I I think I went to the pet the
5:53pet store.
5:54>> Mhm.
5:55>> Um I'm not sure where else I might have
5:57gone. Um but I'm pretty sure I went to
6:01the pet store. Um
6:04so how far is it from the pet store to
6:06the doctor's office?
6:09I think 10 to 15 minutes. Okay. And from
6:13um the place you were residing, how far
6:15would you say would be the doctor's
6:17office?
6:22>> I'm not sure. I only drove it coming
6:24back and I'm a little unclear on on how
6:27long it took. Um
6:28>> but so you had to drive there, but you
6:30kind of circled and make several rides.
6:32>> Yeah. Yeah. So, roughly, would you say
6:34it was like 2 hours or
6:36>> I think it was potentially I think it
6:38was potentially longer. I just I was
6:40kind of just buzzing around waiting for
6:42a call.
6:43>> Okay. So, would the doctor's office be
6:46in the Savannah area?
6:48>> Oh, yes, absolutely. Absolutely.
6:50Savannah area.
6:51>> Okay. And when we say Savannah or
6:53Savannah area,
6:55>> I I don't know the difference.
6:56>> Okay.
6:57>> Um
7:00but somewhere near Savannah. So if we
7:02were at the house you were residing at,
7:06how far would you say would be the
7:07longest range for that? Obviously
7:10>> 25 minutes.
7:11>> Okay.
7:18So once you arrived, what happened?
7:23>> Um I pulled in uh there was a spot
7:28um and there there was a man I could see
7:30a man standing behind the door. It's a
7:33glass door.
7:35>> And as I stopped, he opened the door.
7:38>> Okay.
7:42Um he he came out and
7:49and like you know gestured towards me.
7:53It
7:53>> might have been light been 2 hours. I
7:55don't know. I feel like it I don't know
7:56what time it gets dark but I feel like
7:57it was getting dark at this point.
7:59>> Okay.
8:03>> Then why?
8:04>> Um I walked in. He brought me
8:09a short distance. Um I feel like it was
8:11it was almost immediate from the door to
8:14an an additional door on the right hand
8:16side.
8:17>> Okay.
8:18>> Um I feel like there was there was some
8:20kind of might have been through another
8:22door. There was some kind of a a lobby
8:24area or open area to my left.
8:27>> Were there other patients in the waiting
8:29room?
8:30>> Not that I noticed, but there might have
8:31been. I I'm I didn't walk through a
8:35waiting room. I kind of came like
8:36directly in and then
8:39>> then what happened?
8:40>> Um he he sat me down. Um I I I assumed I
8:45assumed I was going to get some sort of
8:47instructions. Um you know like she can
8:51do this, she can't do that. Um you know
8:54like
8:56I you know I had been doing I mean my my
8:59days were were taking care of her. I,
9:03you know, it was like waking up in the
9:05morning, you know, helping her out of
9:08bed every time she went to the bathroom.
9:10Um,
9:12>> and how long had that been going on?
9:15>> That had been going on since I I would
9:18say early November.
9:19>> Okay.
9:19>> Um, you know, she she was just she was
9:22in she was having trouble sleeping,
9:24which I I don't think it was was
9:26uncommon. Um, you know,
9:28>> so what happened? So what did he say?
9:34>> Uh he I sat I sat down and and he he
9:37said that he very sad to tell me that he
9:41passed away suddenly. Okay.
9:43>> But he wasn't the doctor.
9:48>> I I assumed he was the doctor actually.
9:49>> I said
9:51>> um
9:53I I
9:56said Mandy had passed away. says that
10:04>> um
10:06he he's I was I was extremely upset. I
10:10was
10:11Yeah, like I I thought I was I was
10:13coming there just to just to pick her up
10:16and bring her back.
10:18Um
10:22he said he said he he wasn't sure what
10:24had happened that they were going to
10:26that they were going to find because I I
10:28asked what happened. He said he wasn't
10:30sure. They weren't sure what happened.
10:31Whatever it was, it happened very
10:33suddenly.
10:35And
10:36and he said that um he said that that
10:40they were going to find out um
10:45he said he had some forms for me. Um
10:50to allow all that to happen to Okay.
10:53>> to allow them to do it. And then
10:56um
10:59and then something something about her
11:01uh you know her her
11:06what to do what to do with her
11:08afterwards.
11:09>> Okay.
11:09>> Um
11:12an argument about that form later.
11:14>> Okay.
11:15>> Um
11:20I don't know. I don't know how long I
11:21was there. I I know I was really upset.
11:24Um I don't feel like it was too long,
11:27but
11:29but I'm not sure. Um I left.
11:33>> Before you left, were they let you go
11:34back and see her?
11:35>> They did not. Um
11:37>> you had asked to see her.
11:39>> I asked if I could see her and and he
11:41said not right now. Um, and I thought I
11:44I I thought I thought it would be it was
11:47I thought it was because of the
11:50maybe like the the autopsy or something.
11:58I assume that would be a chance to see
11:59her multiple times and I never did.
12:03>> Did you get get any copies of this
12:05paperwork or keep any of this paperwork?
12:07>> No, I I signed it. Um, I I mean I I was
12:10I was I was extremely upset. I I I
12:16didn't know what to do. I went I went
12:18straight back to her parents and told
12:20them.
12:22>> Okay. So that's the same day you went
12:24straight back to your parent their
12:25parents.
12:26>> Yes.
12:26>> Okay.
12:27>> So Frankie
12:29>> Yeah. Yeah. We were all living together.
12:36>> So you didn't get to see her? Heading
12:38back to see her ever.
12:40>> Um,
12:41>> can it be because you were looking down
12:43the entire time like you have the entire
12:46time that you've been talking to me?
12:48>> It's possible. I tend to I tend to look
12:51down when I'm
12:54I'm in my head a lot.
12:57>> You realize I've been doing this 28
12:59years?
13:04>> I I didn't, sir.
13:07All right. So then what happened?
13:09>> Uh
13:11I I went I went back and I talked to I I
13:14told told both of them then
13:17her mom and I cried together.
13:19>> Okay. So
13:22when Mindy had called you about taking
13:24the two tubs, how what day was that?
13:27>> She had called me. She had uh she sent
13:29me a message. Uh
13:32>> she sent me a message on
13:36Tuesday, I think. I believe it it was
13:37Monday or Tuesday morning.
13:38>> You're not really sure.
13:39>> I'm not 100% sure that week it was
13:41there.
13:42>> It may have been the same morning you
13:44got denied.
13:46>> I believe it was. I believe I I ran a
13:48couple of errands on the way out. I
13:50believe I I got gas. I believe I stopped
13:52at Home Depot.
13:53>> Where did you get gas at?
13:55>> I don't know. Um it was
13:57>> on the long trip to drop the tubes.
14:00>> No, it was before I think it was one of
14:02the first things I did. Um,
14:05but it wasn't a place I I normally
14:07learned.
14:08>> You told me earlier that Mindy asked you
14:10not to carry your phone,
14:12>> but you did carry your phone.
14:14>> Yes. Yeah. No. Yeah. So, so I was asked
14:17not to bring my phone out to the place
14:19when I was in when I was in the Savannah
14:23area. I had my phone with me.
14:24>> But you still had your phone with you?
14:26>> Yes.
14:26>> Okay. But you still had your phone with
14:28you when you went out to the place?
14:30Yeah, I had it was turned off
14:31>> even though me asked you
14:34not to carry your phone.
14:37>> My my understanding was that it's just
14:38going to be on.
14:40>> So just turn off your phone.
14:41>> Yeah, that's my understanding.
14:47>> But you did have it with you.
14:49>> Yes, I did have it with you.
14:50>> But you just turned it off.
14:51>> Yes, sir.
14:55>> Did you notice your car has a phone?
14:58Uh, none of my parents have phones.
15:00Okay.
15:04>> So, they didn't tell you at the
15:05dealership about AT&T service?
15:07>> No, sir.
15:13>> What did you put in the tubs again?
15:17electronics, her laptop, um some books,
15:22clothing, shoes,
15:25uh toiletries for both of us. Um she
15:28wanted makeup, perfume,
15:32basically everything we would need for
15:35>> your stuff, too. So you had one of yours
15:39as it's normal pack was one was mine and
15:44one third and probably two was fine.
15:48>> But so why would you drop your stuff off
15:50when you could have your stuff anyway?
15:52Why was that being dropped off?
15:54>> I assumed that this had something to do
15:56with us.
16:01We had we had weird weird things that
16:04we've been asked to do before before we
16:06moved into locations and things like
16:08that and I assumed it had something to
16:10do with that.
16:12>> All right. Did you hear your wife?
16:14>> No, sir.
16:15>> Okay.
16:15>> I swear to God.
16:17>> When was the last time you saw your
16:18wife?
16:19>> I saw my wife on Saturday. Uh the
16:22Saturday after Thanksgiving.
16:32You did not kill.
16:33>> I did not.
16:34>> Yes, you did.
16:35>> Yes, sir.
16:38>> And you know about the preponderance of
16:40evidence?
16:41>> Yes.
16:41>> Very well.
16:42>> Yes, sir.
16:44>> Way beyond the pro bar preponderance of
16:46evidence. Okay.
16:50>> We talked about Liz.
16:52>> Yes, sir. I told you first. Okay.
16:57You remember the devil?
17:01No. Sorry.
17:14>> Okay. So,
17:15>> you mean it wouldn't sound that right?
17:17Sound that dirt, right?
17:18>> Um, a little I don't know, sir. I'm not
17:21sure what I do.
17:22>> Nick, would you love me?
17:24>> Yes, sir. We love our parents.
17:26>> Yes, sir.
17:27>> Bethany.
17:27>> Yes, sir.
17:29>> You want to help us put all this
17:30together?
17:31>> Yes, sir. We're
17:33>> need you with us.
17:34>> I'm Sir,
17:39>> sir. Yes, I am.
17:42>> Your phone, your car's phone,
17:47the videos. I mean, who else has the
17:50luck of doing on a 25,000 acre of
17:52property and getting captured on video?
17:58The 45 minutes that you spent there at
18:01one location with the tubs,
18:06that's
18:09your DNA,
18:14sir. I didn't touch that. I hurt my
18:15wife.
18:17So you dispose of them?
18:19>> No, sir.
18:20>> You did?
18:21>> Yes, sir.
18:22>> And all evidence is showing that,
18:25>> sir.
18:26>> And your elaborate 2 hours of story that
18:28you gave in Pennsylvania, you know how
18:31many items you being an attorney, you
18:33should realize
18:35how many of those can be disproven.
18:40>> Sir, I I have not liked you at all.
18:42>> You've been looking at the lies for a
18:44long time.
18:44>> Yes. between your audiences between Jim
18:46McIntyre, all these people, the
18:49Microsoft stuff.
18:50>> I think I think Jim has lied to me for a
18:51long time. I do believe that.
18:53>> I don't believe Jim exists.
18:56>> Sir Jim absolutely exists. I don't know
18:57if that's his real name, but he
18:59absolutely exists. I mean, the the
19:02things that we the things that we did
19:03for years, the the places we went, we
19:07you did to get away from the judgment
19:10from Hitler.
19:11>> No, sir.
19:13So, you didn't know you were wanted and
19:16on the run from heaven and judgment, the
19:18civil judgment?
19:19>> No, sir. Jim told me that I'd been taken
19:21care of.
19:22>> How did Jim take care of that?
19:23>> I don't know, sir.
19:25>> You didn't feel a responsibility to pick
19:27up the phone and say, "Hey, it's been
19:29taken care of."
19:30>> No, he he told me it's been taken care
19:31of. I I never I never heard anything
19:33else.
19:37>> So, you and
19:39>> Yes, sir.
19:39>> We never live together.
19:41>> The three of us? to the three of you?
19:42>> Yes.
19:43>> Never.
19:44>> Never.
19:44>> Okay. What about all the money you got
19:47to live off of when you donate all these
19:49wigs with Jim?
19:50>> You said Jim was providing you money.
19:52>> Jim and Francis sir.
19:54>> Jim and friends.
19:54>> Yes. Well, not just one friend.
19:58>> Yes, sir. Yeah. It was it was the
20:00majority of it came from one friend.
20:02There were other friends who gave us
20:03money as well.
20:05>> Have you ever been without money?
20:08>> Yes, sir.
20:09>> And desperate?
20:09>> Yes, sir. When was that?
20:11>> Um,
20:17February, right? Right before we went to
20:19uh right before we went to uh Frank,
20:23>> you never lied in court?
20:24>> No, sir.
20:25>> Okay. When you testified that you had
20:27$32 million?
20:28>> Yes, sir.
20:29>> That was true.
20:30>> I I believed it was true, sir.
20:31>> You You believed it was true.
20:33>> I believed it was true. I I I I don't
20:35know what to believe anymore, sir.
20:37>> Why did you believe that was true?
20:38because I had documents that you could
20:40provide to me that I had that I had $32
20:43million
20:44>> that you didn't earn.
20:45>> No, that I I had wor I I had worked
20:49around the clock on these projects.
20:51>> Okay. So, you thought it was from your
20:53project around and you had $32 million
20:56that you didn't have?
20:57>> Yes, sir.
20:58>> Okay.
20:59>> Yes, sir. Jim Jim told me I that I had
21:01it that I couldn't access it.
21:04Tell me about Samantha.
21:06When did you meet Samantha?
21:08>> Uh I I we were aware I guess of each
21:12other for a while like but but we
21:14started talking.
21:16>> Y'all were fairly close.
21:18>> We got
21:18>> online. I mean
21:19>> Yeah, we I guess we got fairly close in
21:22November.
21:22>> Okay. So why would you tell her in
21:25October that your wife had died while
21:27pregnant?
21:28>> Because I had to tell everyone that.
21:29>> Okay. Why did you tell her when that
21:31lie?
21:32>> What? Why would you tell everyone that
21:34lie?
21:34>> Because my understanding was that my
21:37that both of our online worms were this
21:40this goes back to this goes back to uh
21:43fall 2020.
21:47>> Mindy got very sick. Um she was
21:50>> The point of that is that's a lie.
21:53>> She was alive and well.
21:54>> Yes, sir. You continue telling other
21:57people that she was alive and well
22:01when she was dead
22:04and then you continue to tell people
22:06vice versa that she was dead leading up
22:09when she was alive and where?
22:10>> Yes, sir.
22:11>> Multiple people.
22:12>> Yes, sir.
22:13>> Friends and family.
22:16>> I'm sorry. Sir, can you repeat that
22:18question? I'm not sure I understood
22:19what. You continue to tell people the
22:22story that she had died while pregnant.
22:25>> Yes, sir.
22:27>> Even before she was dead,
22:29>> sir. For I I was told starting in 2020
22:33that Jim thought that we had both got
22:36too close to people online, that we were
22:37talking too much.
22:39>> We have rules about when we could talk
22:40to friends.
22:40>> So, why not just not talk to people? Why
22:42are you telling lies to people that
22:45you're befriended on the internet?
22:46because we were we were cut off for her.
22:49Why are you telling the lies that you
22:50people that you weren't cut off from?
22:53>> Well, last I told people I was the same
22:55story that she was died while pregnant
22:59and if that's the case with your own
23:00stuff, why start a new relationship with
23:02somebody else that you really don't
23:04know?
23:06>> Cuz I was I was a nurse
23:08top of your
23:10>> story. Well, I do say
23:12>> I always tell the truth. It's easier to
23:15keep up with than
23:17>> you kept up with a lot of lies, a lot of
23:19stories.
23:21None of them are turned out to be true.
23:23>> I gave you two hours in Pennsylvania. We
23:26went through every
23:28one of them. And the evidence that
23:30cooperates shows that you're continuing
23:32to lie and tell a story.
23:33>> Sir, I'm not going to
23:37now's the time to stop living all this.
23:39Here's the deal. There's a reason that
23:43>> Mindy died.
23:45>> Yes.
23:45>> Okay.
23:46>> But I don't know.
23:46>> You know, yes, you know very well that
23:48reason because you killed her.
23:49>> I did not.
23:50>> Big question is why?
23:52>> Sir, I would never have killed Mindy. I
23:54woke up in the morning and I took care
23:56of her. I I I rubbed her back. I rubbed
23:58her leg.
23:59>> And she wasn't pregnant.
24:00>> Yes, she sir. She was due in January.
24:03>> Well, he was not pregnant.
24:04>> She was not pregnant.
24:06>> No, she she was pregnant. Even the times
24:10that they y'all were saying that she was
24:11pregnant, she was not pregnant.
24:14She was not pregnant at the time of her
24:16death. So she was she was not
24:19as a medical certainty. She was not
24:21pregnant.
24:32The doctors that you're saying that she
24:33went to that just you don't know their
24:35names, don't know the location. You've
24:38never mentioned an actual doctor that
24:39she saw for a thyroid problem.
24:43>> You never mentioned doctors that you
24:44visited.
24:45>> I I don't know the last I I do know the
24:47last time I visited a doctor. Sorry, I
24:49visited one probably four or five.
24:52>> What about the CVS pickups for
24:54medication?
24:55>> Yeah, I I I would routinely pick up her
24:58medication, right?
24:59>> Just been prescribed by a doctor.
25:00>> Yes.
25:04>> That's not the doctor you would take her
25:05to or that would know about her death.
25:07No, those those were medication refills.
25:09Uh we we did like a tell the health
25:12thing
25:13more stories. I mean just kind of
25:15elaborate stories to exist. But point is
25:19>> so you killed you look at the CBS.
25:22>> Why did you kill Mindy?
25:23>> Sorry I didn't kill Mindy.
25:24>> You killed Mandy.
25:25>> I did not.
25:26>> All evidence shows that you killed and
25:28will continue to show. It's kind of like
25:30a thousand piece puzzle. You burn some
25:33of the pieces. Uh you've thrown some of
25:36the pieces away. We'll never have all
25:38the pieces. It's very clear. You've made
25:41that absolutely sure we won't have the
25:43pieces. But we've got enough to see a
25:46very clear picture and to show that
25:48picture to a jury. And that jury is
25:50going to conclude one thing. The same
25:52thing I'm telling you. We you guilt it.
25:55No doubt.
25:57When you placed our body out there, you
25:59did us some favors
26:02where you placed it. It preserved some
26:04things. You weren't expecting her to be
26:06found so quickly,
26:08>> sir. I I never I never I never saw her
26:10after she died. I never hurt Indie.
26:15>> You did hurt me.
26:17>> No, I I I I fed her. I I helped her out
26:22of bed. I I just
26:24>> You started an relationship with
26:26somebody online.
26:29>> You were running out of options. You're
26:31running out of funds.
26:33No, sir.
26:34>> Did you discover a lot that Mindy wasn't
26:36pregnant?
26:36>> No, sir.
26:39>> So, she wasn't?
26:44>> I thought she was pregnant.
26:54>> That Jim is so good at his job of
26:56protecting you. Why would he not protect
26:58her? Why would I come forward with any
27:00evidence? No,
27:01>> I think I think Jim lied to me about
27:03like a million things.
27:04>> Why would he have to prevent your father
27:05from being able to find you?
27:07>> I don't I don't I don't know.
27:10But but I I don't I don't think June was
27:13telling you the truth about anything
27:15>> cuz he did exist.
27:16>> He did exist, sir. We we we did
27:19everything that we did everything for
27:21years.
27:22>> Remember the day when your father shows
27:23up?
27:24>> Yes, sir.
27:24>> We drunk. Yes, sir.
27:26>> Okay. Tell me you left the back door.
27:29went out the back door.
27:30>> Yes, sir.
27:31>> So, you leave her so afraid because you
27:33thought he had beat.
27:34>> Yes, sir.
27:35>> Okay.
27:36>> Where was
27:37>> She She said there. He hadn't seen her.
27:40>> So, you cared so much for her. You left
27:42her in the house when you were running
27:43out the back door.
27:44>> No, sir. She She knew I was She know I
27:46was leaving like
27:47>> But she didn't stay there to protect
27:49her.
27:51>> No, sir.
27:52>> You didn't call 911.
27:56You didn't call for any help from
27:58anyone? No, we walked down the alley.
28:00>> We called for help for for Jim who who
28:03we who we depended on for every way back
28:06was just the other day. You said you
28:07didn't call that he found you. He found
28:10you in the parking lot at the hospital.
28:13>> Yeah, we we had I I we had I I forget if
28:16it was a phone call or if it was a
28:17message, but but I didn't
28:19>> That question was asked very clearly and
28:21asked twice. Did you contact Jim that
28:24day? And you said no. He picked me up in
28:26the parking lot.
28:28>> Absolutely. There was no messaging from
28:30the time you walked out the back door.
28:32>> I did not I did not understand the
28:34question.
28:34>> Okay.
28:36No. The question is how did he know
28:38where you were and just appeared out of
28:40nowhere? Um he's followed you in
28:42multiple states and he just appears. So
28:46are you alleged that Jim killed your
28:48wife?
28:49>> I don't know, but I think it's possible.
28:50Okay. So and the doctors conspired. They
28:53created this fake doc doctor facility of
28:56a name that you don't even know, a
28:58location you don't even know. Pick up
29:02your wife. Just so happened your phone,
29:05even your car shows clearly where you
29:08were at down this long dirt road that
29:11just happened to pass a camera
29:15and tracks your every movement. to stop
29:18at the marathon store off the interstate
29:20where you squat your car.
29:23All those records
29:25purchasing the knife to go do mosquito
29:28work in November.
29:32>> Yes, sir. You that exact
29:37that exact knife 2 hours later ends up
29:40Sir's
29:43not there. I know exactly where that
29:45knife is. Sir, I told you that knife is
29:48in the back of that.
29:53>> Exactly.
29:54>> It was found out there with a black
29:56tote.
29:59>> So, you can continue with the web of
30:01lies in the story. There's always
30:03reasoning for things. Um, is your reason
30:06that you're just a vicious killer and
30:08decided to kill your wife or did y'all
30:09get in some kind of argument? What was
30:11your motive for killing her?
30:12>> I never heard that.
30:15story is not what you're telling.
30:18Why is it so different?
30:22>> What? What do you mean a second?
30:24>> Your elaborate story of on the run all
30:26this time and all the periods and stuff
30:28and the web of lies. Why is it so
30:31different than
30:33what happened with her that the records
30:35show, the evidence shows, the DNA shows?
30:39Why is all that you're being set up is
30:42what you're saying?
30:42>> I don't know. I I I don't know. I I
30:45>> So your phone
30:47and your own person that you said was
30:50turned off.
30:50>> Yes. Um still goes to those containers
30:53on a property that's 25,000 acres down
30:57the dirt road 40 minutes from the house
30:59in Savannah
31:02that matches the GP all the stuff
31:04matches. Um that life that you purchased
31:08at Home Depot ends up there as well. the
31:13cleaning, the purchasing, the credit
31:15card swipes, the story that continued,
31:17the lies that you told to many others.
31:20Some people who you think are still on
31:22your side are actually some of the best
31:24witnesses against you. Um, they know the
31:28story and they're going to tell that
31:30story when they testify. The Capital One
31:33card you're using for all the years,
31:35getting food, takeout, lodging, paying
31:37for all the places, the Airbnbs, the
31:39verbos you stayed at, we have all those
31:41roads. Yes, sir.
31:43>> And the response
31:45the current stuff.
31:47>> Yes, sir.
31:49>> So, you're saying it's big. Everybody's
31:51created all these records of items that
31:53were on your person on that same very
31:56day in the same very vehicle you were
31:59driving at that location. You know what
32:02the coincidences with that were and the
32:04chances or probabilities of that
32:06happening?
32:09None of this feels like landed into this
32:11room right now. That ain't going to
32:13happen.
32:14>> None of this feels random to me, but I
32:17don't understand it. But I know where
32:18that knife is.
32:20>> Okay,
32:23now let's move on. The knife has nothing
32:25to do with the company.
32:28The day that you bought the knife and
32:29traveled down the road, where did you
32:32go?
32:34I left. I
32:37slept for gas.
32:40I stopped at Home Depot.
32:43I believe I stopped and talked to Jim
32:48with Mindy's body in the car.
32:50>> No, sir.
32:52No, sir.
32:57>> And then I drove out there.
32:59>> Out where?
33:00>> I I don't know. I I I believe I had an
33:03address to the church and then I had a
33:06GPS location after that.
33:08>> The first story was you had GPS
33:10coordinates.
33:10>> Yeah, that's Yes.
33:12>> You mentioned nothing of a rep of
33:14address.
33:15>> Yeah.
33:16>> Yeah. So, but I I want to try to think
33:19about this. I believe they said like not
33:21not to pull in, but I believe it was.
33:27So then he didn't tell you this.
33:30>> I forget. Sorry. I forget exactly.
33:32>> So you forget all back to the same
33:34story. It's easier to remember. Mom Saw
33:37says this. It's easier to remember the
33:39truth. While we're talking here today,
33:42so many more lies keep coming up.
33:43>> No, sir. I I sir, I've done weird stuff
33:46for years.
33:47>> So back to your travels of the day that
33:49you fought the night. Yes. Where'd you
33:52go?
33:53>> I I shot through gas.
33:57I stopped at Home Depot,
34:01I believe. Then I stopped and split.
34:08>> Okay. Well, what did you do there?
34:12>> I stopped.
34:14The gentleman came out of the house.
34:18The 40 minutes that you were there,
34:20there's no house at that 40 minutes that
34:22you stopped that. So I can we can cut
34:24the house out of a huge line.
34:27>> So you don't have to remember a house
34:29because there was no house.
34:30>> I stopped at a house.
34:31>> How long did you say?
34:32>> I'm not exactly sure. Okay.
34:34>> He he talked to me for a couple minutes
34:37about something he was doing. He had
34:39some stuff in his front yard.
34:41>> So what else did you do?
34:44>> I
34:46uh I could go to the bathroom. I peed
34:49behind a tree. Um he he directed me over
34:53there. Um
34:57I removed the the the
35:02things from the uh from the back of the
35:04car
35:05and
35:07and I don't know
35:09>> where the things left. You said you
35:11removed them from the car in his house.
35:12Where were they left? Like just on the
35:15ground.
35:16>> Yeah. He said he he said he would take
35:17care of them.
35:18>> Okay. Um,
35:21how close is the house?
35:24>> 30 40 ft.
35:26>> There is no house. Remember,
35:28>> sir, I stopped at a house.
35:30>> You may have stopped at the house, but
35:31when you took the containers out, there
35:33is no house.
35:34>> There's a reason why that keeps sticking
35:35in your head. You said in Pennsylvania,
35:36you took them out. He thought, I set up
35:38the dirt. I set them in the dirt. That
35:42gray and black container.
35:44And it wasn't your personal property
35:46that was in those containers. end up
35:47with Mindy.
35:48>> No sir, but I pack this in case myself
35:51laptop.
35:52>> You did back on yourself. If your wife's
35:54dismembered body,
35:56>> sir, that's not true.
35:58>> That is true. And you had it in your car
36:01when you drove down a dirt road.
36:03>> Sir, that is not true.
36:04>> That is what you placed in the dirt 30
36:06or 40 ft off the roadway.
36:07>> So that is not true.
36:09>> That is absolutely true, Nick.
36:10>> Exactly what the record showed.
36:13>> So that's not what happened. Um, I don't
36:16know what you know about the country and
36:17dirt roads and the properties you all
36:20are on that you ever been to that type
36:22of property before, but you happen to
36:24hit the security cameras on the entrance
36:27to 25,000 acres, which is a very large
36:30property. Um, your phone in your
36:34vehicle's phone, everything
36:37ever stop is recorded. Do you understand
36:39that?
36:40>> Yes, sir.
36:41>> Okay. Did you say that?
36:42>> So, your 40 minutes that you're there,
36:45you're at the exact same spot where your
36:48wife's torso was found.
36:51The other stop where you dug with the
36:54shovel
36:55>> and hit roots
36:56>> and hit roots, that's recorded on the
37:00very same information. The next spot
37:03that you stopped and buried her skull
37:08is covered. the exact same stuff. Even
37:12the next spot with the leg is done. So
37:14the stops are here. It's like what's on
37:18TV.
37:19It's not there's no issues here. It's
37:22very clear. So the big question
37:26big question is even the pictures.
37:28There's pictures of them going by
37:31on a property.
37:34You may have seen the log truck ahead of
37:35you. Um there's a big big truck hauling
37:39wood. Um
37:42guys has spotted you down there.
37:46The big question is why it's no longer
37:48if the big question.
37:51>> The big question is why.
37:52>> Sir never hurt Mindy.
37:54>> Okay.
37:54>> You never carried her to the doctor. She
37:57never went to the doctor. You never went
37:58to the doctor. The
37:59>> doctor didn't come by your house to do
38:01those checks.
38:02>> Yes. You came directly from that house
38:03to that location. It's very clear.
38:08from from your house to Home Depot to
38:12the scene
38:14to multiple scenes. I guess we would say
38:16those stops are recorded, captured by
38:19your car. They're actually cooperated by
38:22your cell phone. The USA is turned off.
38:26Um, but apparently your particular phone
38:28still records and still sends out pings
38:31or messages that overlap with that. So
38:34the big question is,
38:37were you asked to go to a location and
38:39retrieve Mindy's body or did you kill
38:42her and transform her? Or did something
38:45happen in that house that you just can't
38:48talk about and then you dealt with it
38:50from there? Was it clearly it started at
38:53that house then it went on?
38:56>> Sir, no. None of this happened. Okay.
39:01>> We know what happened.
39:03is clearly that happened. So, you're
39:05saying that the sale records wrong, the
39:09picture's wrong from the security
39:10cameras.
39:12Um, everybody's wrong with this whole
39:14picture. Your your purchase doesn't walk
39:16in from home. I mean, the Home Depot,
39:19that purchase is wrong.
39:20>> No, sir.
39:21>> Your travels that day that all that's
39:24all.
39:25And just so happens, coincidentally,
39:27she's found the location you were at.
39:31>> Your what? Your wife had one.
39:33>> Sir, it it doesn't feel coincidental to
39:36me, but but I never hurt Mindy. I I
39:38never I never saw Mindy after she passed
39:40away.
39:43>> And you were going to stick with the
39:44last time you saw her was
39:47Saturday.
39:48>> Okay. Where?
39:49>> At the house.
39:50>> At the house.
39:54So, how long did she stay in the house
39:55before she was gone?
40:00Are you telling me like you came home
40:01and found her dead or what's the story?
40:03>> No, sir. I'm saying I came home and she
40:05was gone. I got messages for her from
40:06her for days. Okay.
40:10>> Telling me things to do, things we
40:12needed. I've been doing this 28 years.
40:16Um I don't watch a lot of them, but a
40:18lot of people watch TV shows and
40:20stories. Um read a lot of books that
40:23have these kind of stories in them. um
40:26you have characters that you've
40:27envisioned and made in your stories and
40:30some in your stories, but none of your
40:32stories before a jury in Georgia are
40:34going to go. I want you to understand
40:36that upfront. It's a very clear picture.
40:40Even though it puzzled, you burned some
40:42of the pieces. Um you shifted and
40:45manipulated some of the pieces. You
40:46constantly lied to many, many people in
40:49your life and have continued those lies.
40:53That's not going to continue today. You
40:55understand that, right?
40:58The big question is why?
41:00>> Sir, anything I ever lied about, I was
41:01told to lie about.
41:03>> Okay.
41:04>> So, you right now if you said you killed
41:07her, you'd say it because I was told to
41:09lie.
41:10>> So, I never killed her.
41:11>> So, Jim told you to say that, you would
41:13say that?
41:14>> No, sir.
41:14>> Okay. So, my point is everything you do,
41:17if Jim told you to jump off a cliff, you
41:19were going to go jump off a cliff.
41:20>> Yes, sir. For for years, For years, we
41:23did exactly what you told us. So you
41:25>> he wanted full access to our lives. He
41:26said he's keeping us safe.
41:30>> Sorry, I didn't burn my tire. Okay.
41:33>> Well, the the burns that you got that
41:34you described to the insurance adjuster
41:36for your medical records. You described
41:39burns going up into your nose and your
41:40face. It sounds like a flash burn from
41:42fumes. Sounds like a flash burn from
41:44fumes from suddenly.
41:46>> Yes, sir. I opened the car door
41:49and that's when that's when the flames
41:51got mine. But what was important in the
41:53car that got burned up that day?
41:55>> I thought my phone was in there.
41:56>> What else was in there?
41:59>> I don't know. I I had I had some random
42:02stuff in there.
42:03>> Was there a check in there?
42:04>> Yes, there was a check in there.
42:05>> What was the check for?
42:06>> The insurance for a house.
42:08>> For a house. Was he in Salem?
42:10>> Yes.
42:11>> What' you tell Sam what happened with
42:12that check?
42:13>> That burned up.
42:14>> And what was the insurance company to do
42:16about that?
42:18>> I don't think the insurance company had
42:19anything to do with the check.
42:20>> Was it a size check? Yes, sir.
42:22>> How much?
42:23>> $860 some odd thousand.
42:28>> Just gone.
42:30>> Yes, sir.
42:30>> Almost a million dollar check.
42:32>> Yes, sir.
42:32>> And you could get a replacement.
42:35>> No.
42:37No. I I spoke to Jim after and he said
42:40he would get a replacement, but it would
42:41take a while.
42:43>> Interesting. What were you doing out in
42:45that road that day anyways?
42:47>> I had I had gone to pick up the check.
42:50Um
42:52he said he would have somebody meet me
42:53up there. I had come up to lettuce. I
42:56had he told me I need some linens. Um I
43:00got flowers.
43:02Um I I didn't I didn't pick them up
43:04right there. Um I got water uh at
43:09Target. But you also you also said
43:12something else in Pennsylvania about
43:13that day when you stopped the car. You
43:15said you were on a long straight stretch
43:17of road out of the curvy alieness you've
43:19been driving on where you can see in
43:20roadways. Why do you think that's
43:22important in your life?
43:24Is it so you can see other cars if they
43:26can
43:28while you're doing what you're doing?
43:30>> Yes, sir.
43:32>> You think you're living a web of lies?
43:35Your one of your close friends described
43:37you best said you you talk in parallel
43:40realities. It's like the story you've
43:42sold them. It blends in the truths of
43:45what's going on in your life with what
43:47you want it to be.
43:52That's what you're doing here.
43:54>> No sir.
43:56>> You bought a knife for window screening
43:59that you were fixing to leave this
44:01Airbnb.
44:02>> Yeah.
44:02>> So you bought this knife. You go back to
44:04the house where Mindy's
44:07at.
44:09Then you go out here with these two
44:11totes that are packed with stuff and put
44:13them in a place where her bodies found.
44:16>> And sir, I left them with the man.
44:18>> You did not leave them with the man.
44:20>> Yes, I did.
44:21>> You did not leave them with the man.
44:24Your car is traveling out there. He's
44:26already told you. We put you and your
44:28son and your vehicle out there in these
44:31places where your wife's body is found.
44:34This girl
44:36with the knife that you just bought. No,
44:38sir. That night, that night,
44:41Pennsylvania. Yes.
44:42>> That night in Pennsylvania.
44:44>> Yes, it did, sir. I told you exactly
44:45where to find it.
44:47>> Have you looked there?
44:49>> Yes.
44:49>> And it's not there.
44:52>> Just a carbon steel blade. It wouldn't
44:53be burned up in the car. Very clear.
44:59>> Under the thing. Under the thing. Under
45:01the thing.
45:03>> And there's one other place. Was that
45:06not really irrelevant? cuz that knife
45:08was only used in the end.
45:12It It's not didn't have anything to do
45:13with actually the murder or the killing
45:16at all when that knife was after the
45:18fact.
45:20How would I know that?
45:22>> I have no idea, sir. I didn't know that.
45:24>> Thank you so much.
45:25>> A lot of really 28 years for me. Like I
45:29said, your story is fine, but your story
45:31is not reality. Um, even to the point of
45:34the new wife, you know, when you apply
45:37for a marriage license?
45:38>> Yes, sir.
45:39>> Okay. Remember applying for that
45:41marriage license?
45:41>> Yes, sir.
45:42>> Remember the questions it asked?
45:44>> Yes, sir.
45:44>> Okay. What did you say on that marriage
45:47license?
45:48>> I said that I'd been married once. I
45:50said that indeed passed away in 2020.
45:52>> Okay.
45:52>> Two things that Jim told me to put down.
45:55>> So, you lied because Jim told you to
45:57lie?
45:57>> Yes, sir.
45:58>> Is Jim telling you a lie here today?
46:00>> No, sir. I still
46:02I'm a little unclear on the timeline,
46:05but
46:05>> I understand a lot of stuff when it
46:07comes to specifics. It's quite funny how
46:10that works, but those records clearly
46:13show where that's at. To the matter,
46:15even like when your mom I mean, what
46:18have you told your mom?
46:21my mom um
46:25that that I was I mean we haven't spoken
46:27in
46:28>> so you hadn't spoken to her in six
46:30years. I had no they started speaking
46:32after I was
46:34>> so
46:36you go to this doctor's office they tell
46:38you wife dies you don't ask to see her
46:42you immediately ask you don't get to see
46:45her you don't force go any further to
46:48see her you just take them at the word
46:50you don't let her names you don't know
46:51her addresses don't know how to return
46:54there whatever you just leave um you go
46:57from there
46:59back. Pack tell them, tell her family,
47:02pack up the stuff. Pack up the stuff
47:04that you said was already packed. Um,
47:07and gone. Remember, your stuff was
47:09packed.
47:10>> Yeah, a lot of my stuff was back.
47:13>> That your important stuff was not.
47:15>> Yes, sir.
47:16>> You still had it?
47:17>> Yeah. Yeah. We had things that we didn't
47:19need to like.
47:21>> So, then you go to Florida.
47:23>> So, is it possible to buy more? You go
47:25to Florida and you go to Florida to pick
47:29up the beer.
47:30>> Yes, sir.
47:30>> And then you go from Florida to
47:32McGomery, Alabama, and you cash the
47:34check for $5,000.
47:36>> Yes. So, that was a cash withdrawal.
47:38>> A cash withdrawal for $5,000.
47:40>> I I think it looks like that.
47:42>> You cash your check?
47:42>> Yes.
47:43>> But you get $5,000 to meet some guy that
47:45you don't know.
47:46>> Yes, sir.
47:47>> On the side of the road in Alabama for
47:50many disasters.
47:51>> Yes, sir. Do you know how many local
47:53toys and places there are here? Why
47:56Alabama?
47:57>> Sir, I he had called me and said that my
48:00wife's my wife's remains were available
48:02to be picked up. I forget where he said
48:04they were. Um, and you had a dairy this
48:07time. You're continuously talking to
48:08Sam.
48:09>> Yes, sir.
48:12And talking about your business trips to
48:16talking about your business trips to
48:17Missouri that you're continuing to have
48:19a romantic whole life relationship with
48:22Samantha.
48:23>> Yes, sir.
48:24>> She's found out wife's dead and you've
48:26been telling everybody she's dead since
48:28October. But you continue this
48:30relationship as it goes and as you
48:33travel fleeing um all the way to
48:36Missouri.
48:37>> Not fleeing, sir.
48:38>> Okay. So you changed your name. Well,
48:41you told me you were fleeing from your
48:42father. So you were not fleeing from
48:44your father's deal.
48:45>> Well, I mean I was I was trying I I
48:48thought that I thought that the name
48:49change was the culmination of years of
48:51work to
48:52>> Okay.
48:53>> keep us safe. We have been among our
48:56friends and family been using that name
48:58for
48:58>> So then years then you get a marriage
49:01license and you get married. Um, and
49:05back up a little bit before that, when
49:06you got start getting pressured to move
49:08into a house and get away from Airbnbs,
49:11the car mysteriously burns with all your
49:13money in it,
49:15you know, so you won't be able to close
49:17on a house permanently. So, was it time
49:20to look for a new wife?
49:23No, sir.
49:25So, what was your plan from there?
49:28My plan from there was I was expecting I
49:31was expecting more money from Jim and
49:32that we that to to you know allow me to
49:38move on and live.
49:39>> When was your last contact with you?
49:41>> My last contact with Jim.
49:45I don't know. It was probably around the
49:47time that the marriage license was we we
49:50applied for it or it was shortly
49:52thereafter.
49:53>> Cuz he had to show you what to put on
49:54there so you would know what the line
49:56be.
49:58Yes. Okay.
49:58>> He told me that there were things I had
50:00to lie about to to keep myself safe.
50:03>> Did you lie to keep your things safe
50:05from your dad?
50:06>> Yes.
50:08>> So, if you were worried about your dad
50:10and he's this bad guy that you're
50:12terrified of that you've gone through
50:14all this hiding all these years, living
50:16off everybody else's finances and being
50:19a permit basically, then when you get
50:22locked up for this, you reach out to
50:24them.
50:24>> I reach out. I had been in for six, five
50:28days.
50:30Um, I couldn't contact anyone and I
50:33reached out to Alice. Do you know your
50:36story is just so unbelievable.
50:38Um, everything you say and has continued
50:42to say it's been a lie. Your life's a
50:44lie. Um, the evidence shows,
50:48>> sir, I believe for years.
50:51You continue to lie by your own
50:54invention. You have continued to lie
50:57multiple times. You say it's lying on
50:59behalf of Jim. Yes, sir. But then now
51:01you're sitting too. It's clearly you're
51:03lying about like that day.
51:06Um about which day?
51:07>> The day of the 29th when your cell phone
51:10records you going where your wife's body
51:12is found or torso's found and where the
51:15pieces of her body are found in other
51:17locations and how that tracking in that
51:20area shows you being there. how the
51:22camera show you being there and you're
51:24saying, "Oh, no. I wasn't there." Is
51:27that what you're saying,
51:28>> sir? I I I don't know what what location
51:30that shows. I know. I was in a more
51:34rural area.
51:34>> That's where you placed the body parts
51:37of your wife.
51:38>> No, sir.
51:38>> So, are you saying that's the same day
51:39you dropped the tips off?
51:42>> I don't know. I I think is that the Is
51:45that the same day as Home Depot? Can I
51:46ask you a question? Yeah. The same day
51:47as long day. It was about the same. I
51:49believe that was the same
51:50>> same day as you dropped the tubs off.
51:52Yes, sir.
51:52>> So, you knew where you were moving at
51:55that time,
51:56>> but you're going to get a knife to
51:58repair the mosquito things knowing
52:00you're fixing to leave that Airbnb.
52:02>> Yes, sir. Then we wanted to leave it in
52:05the best condition that we could.
52:07>> I already replaced the rope. So, we
52:09bought a new rug.
52:10>> No, we bought the new rug because Rusty
52:12was sick on it.
52:17>> Back to that day. you traveled that day
52:20and you don't know where you traveled?
52:22>> Yes, sir.
52:24So, the question is you don't know or
52:26you do know where you travel?
52:28>> I don't know where I travel.
52:30>> So, you're saying that those records are
52:33the truth?
52:36>> Which which records? The records from
52:37your car, the records from the camera
52:40that you saw, the records from your own
52:43cell phone that overlap with each other.
52:46Your your records from swapping your
52:48car.
52:49>> Yes. I I I I don't know all all the
52:51records, sir, but but I I swipe my card.
52:54Yeah, I know I know that for sure.
52:56>> And do you remember really close to
52:59that, like within a day or so going to
53:01car wash?
53:03>> Um, I don't, sir, but I may have.
53:06>> Okay. Did you wash your car frequently?
53:08>> Not super frequently, sir.
53:09>> When I noticed it was dry.
53:11>> Never until then. This was the first
53:13time you had washed your car.
53:15>> Um, I don't know, sir. I I haven't had
53:17the car for very long.
53:18>> What I'm saying is you've never went
53:20through an automatic car wash, but one
53:21time?
53:23>> No, sir. I've been through several
53:24automatic car wash.
53:25>> You just didn't swap it for this
53:26particular car until that day?
53:28>> I may cash, but but I'm not sure.
53:32>> Okay. So, other times you paid with
53:34cash. I I may have. I I have honestly
53:36never never thought that much about how
53:38I how I pay for anything.
53:40>> Most of the time you squat.
53:42>> Uh I think so. Yeah, I would say most of
53:44the time
53:44>> except for the one occasion where you
53:46met this dude on the side of the road in
53:48Montgomery, Alabama and you had to get
53:50$5,000.
53:51>> Yeah. I didn't have checks for that for
53:53that account.
53:53>> So you just randomly at that point meet
53:57with him. Don't know who he is, where he
53:59was, where he's from.
54:00>> No, he contacted me and said that he had
54:02these remains. I was really upset. Okay.
54:05>> Do you know how like elaborately crazy
54:07that is just to have been somebody on
54:09the side of the road with the remains?
54:11>> Yes, sir. I was I was really upset about
54:12it.
54:13>> That's never been heard of before.
54:15>> I was I was upset about about that. I
54:17was upset about the fact that she had
54:18been cremated. I I was told she had been
54:20cremated.
54:21>> We know you were upset. We know you were
54:23upset. We We found her body condition.
54:25We found it. We know you were mad.
54:27>> Sir, I never hurt my wife.
54:30>> Yes, you did.
54:30>> I've never put I've never put a hand on
54:32a woman. and I did not hurt.
54:36>> But you lie and you lie a lot about a
54:38lot of things and have continuously
54:41lied.
54:42>> Sir, I've been told I've been told to
54:45lie in certain situations to keep us
54:47safe.
54:48>> You've been an attorney before in your
54:50previous occupation with the Navy.
54:53>> For how long?
54:54>> Uh I I was an attorney in the Navy for
54:56roughly 10 years. So you can realize
54:58you've prosecuted cases where soldiers
55:01have murdered their wives.
55:02>> No, sir.
55:03>> You never prosecuted anybody that?
55:05>> Yes. Okay. Have you prosecuted anybody
55:07that murdered someone?
55:08>> No, sir.
55:09>> They never never murder prosecution.
55:10>> No, sir.
55:11>> But you have cases that show and you
55:14understand preponderance of evidence and
55:16proof beyond reasonable doubt.
55:18>> Yes, sir.
55:18>> Okay. We've gone from prepoundonderance
55:21of evidence to proof beyond reasonable
55:23doubt. Okay. you know where we're at
55:26with that point.
55:28Tell me help me support that story. Help
55:31me show that you didn't do it.
55:34>> Sarah, I'm trying to I'm trying to tell
55:36you everything I remember about this.
55:38>> See, that's the problem I've got cuz the
55:39two hours that we had in Lancaster,
55:41everything you told me, I proved to be a
55:43lie. Um there's nothing truthful about
55:46that. You've continued to lie to
55:48friends, family members, people that you
55:50trusted, people that really went out
55:52there to help you. Um, I wasn't really
55:56forceful with you that day. I didn't do
55:58anything that day that let you tell me
56:00the story. Yes, sir.
56:01>> I went back and verified that your
56:03story, your entire story is a lie. So,
56:07how help me to this point to go and
56:10explain that you can continuously lie,
56:13but you want me to believe you did kill
56:14your wife.
56:17You've lied to me.
56:19You've lied to Cameron. You've lied to
56:21your family. You've lied to other people
56:24as a man.
56:26>> Reached back out to a old former
56:28employer of me and lied to him. Why
56:32would you do that?
56:33>> Sir, I I didn't I didn't lie to him. I
56:37didn't
56:37>> Are you saying you didn't lie to me?
56:39>> Let's just start this way.
56:40>> Sir, there there are things that that I
56:42think were not true. I I I
56:45all I' all I've done is sit in the cell
56:47and think about this. I don't believe
56:49that. I don't believe a lot of what Jim
56:52told us for years.
56:53>> Yeah. I'm not asking what Jim told you.
56:55That has nothing. I'm asking what you
56:56did and where you remember. And there's
56:58things you say and you don't remember
57:00that I clearly know you remember. Like
57:02if you went to this doctor's office in a
57:05strip mall in Savannah where your wife,
57:07you were told your wife had died, you
57:09would really remember that. There would
57:11be no doubt. The other thing is if that
57:14happened and you were not allowed to see
57:16your wife and found out she was cremated
57:18later, do you don't think as an attorney
57:21that every attorney hearing this would
57:24file suit against that doctor?
57:28>> Yes, sir. I thought she died of natural
57:30causes. That's what I'm
57:32>> They made mistakes is what you're
57:33telling me. They made mistakes and
57:35cremated her. You ended up beat someone
57:37on the side of the road. Every portion
57:39of your life and everything that's
57:40coming down is coming down right now to
57:43Mindy ends up being untrue. But you want
57:46me to believe that portion to be true.
57:50>> You lied about going to the doctor's
57:52office.
57:53>> Yes, sir.
57:54>> No doubt. You lied about going to the
57:56doctor's office as you continue. You've
57:59lied about picking up murder manses on
58:00the side of the road.
58:01>> Yes, sir.
58:02>> You've lied about where your vehicle
58:04went that day. And where you continued
58:06that you lied about
58:09what? How did you lie about?
58:11>> You lied about your father,
58:13>> sir. I I don't believe.
58:14>> How much money did you take from him in
58:17the very beginning? How much money did
58:18you get away with with your father?
58:22>> I had burned some money from him.
58:26>> I don't know. I don't know exactly.
58:28>> About 60,000.
58:29>> No, sir.
58:30>> No.
58:31>> No.
58:32>> Was it more than than $100?
58:34>> Yes, sir. more than $100 $100.
58:36>> Yes, sir.
58:37>> He probably just kind of wanted to know
58:38what was going on.
58:40>> I I didn't know that, sir. I I thought
58:42he
58:44>> What did you tell Betsy and and Frank
58:47about when they had to move to Hilton?
58:49He told them who who needed it. Told
58:51them they had to move. It was time to go
58:53because who said so?
58:55>> His chim said so,
58:56>> right? Who rent their new place for
58:57them?
58:58>> I did.
58:58>> You did?
58:59>> Yes, sir.
58:59>> So, if it's so dangerous and you got to
59:01go, you got to go now. Why would you
59:03grab a place and put them in danger
59:04there in your name? If you're the
59:06intended target,
59:08>> I I didn't think that would be something
59:10that you'd deal with.
59:11>> You know how easy it is to track you
59:12down?
59:13>> It's a quick easy Google search.
59:16>> Your name pops up there before all this.
59:18Your name popped up there. Pictures of
59:20your wedding, pictures of Mindy and you
59:22at your wedding pop up there.
59:24>> Pop up at the the place that
59:28Jimmy can play on this all day long. You
59:30know,
59:30>> I'm a game that that just ain't going to
59:33work.
59:33>> How's I just I I I paid for a
59:37>> Yes,
59:37>> I paid for a rental thing.
59:39>> It just I don't know how that goes on
59:41Google, but I didn't think it was.
59:43>> So, back to way back. Um when you get
59:48married, you go through this whole
59:51spiel, the whole thing. Um then all of a
59:54sudden, something happens. I ask you,
59:57why you get out of the military? Why did
59:59you get out of the military?
1:00:00>> We didn't want to be moving around all
1:00:01the time.
1:00:02>> Okay.
1:00:02>> Why?
1:00:04>> We We were going to start a family. We
1:00:06wanted to start a family.
1:00:08>> That didn't work out with your first
1:00:10wife.
1:00:11>> No. Okay.
1:00:12>> Yeah. She
1:00:13>> That didn't work out with Mandy. Um That
1:00:17was not going to work out with Samantha.
1:00:21>> I I don't understand. I thought it I
1:00:23thought it was working out with Bendy.
1:00:26>> And I had hoped it would work out with
1:00:27Samantha, but obviously
1:00:29>> So that's been the continuous thing as
1:00:31you were ready to start a family.
1:00:33>> Yes, sir. I always wanted to think, but
1:00:35>> you lied to the military and on your
1:00:38official resignation when you said your
1:00:40purpose for resignation. Um it didn't
1:00:43have anything to do with wanting to
1:00:45start a family. The lie was
1:00:48Mindy was in a car wreck and you needed
1:00:50to care for your wife.
1:00:55You don't remember your resignation from
1:00:57Navy
1:00:59>> from the from the from active duty or
1:01:01from the reserves?
1:01:02>> Either way, you don't remember your
1:01:04resignation letter?
1:01:05>> I I remember drafting I believe two
1:01:07resignation letters.
1:01:08>> Um one from active duty, but I've been
1:01:10talking about active duty.
1:01:11>> Mhm.
1:01:13>> So, what about your your resignation for
1:01:15both? What was your reasoning for
1:01:17resigning?
1:01:18>> I I don't recall. Um,
1:01:20>> you just thought it was the start of
1:01:22family.
1:01:22>> So, so the the reserve one I I believe I
1:01:24had to put in
1:01:27the same [ __ ] stories.
1:01:29>> No, we had many times.
1:01:31>> You have been that and again the
1:01:33parallel realities that you created
1:01:35these lies.
1:01:37>> You said you want to start a family. You
1:01:38don't want to move around. But what have
1:01:39you done?
1:01:41>> What have you been doing? We've been
1:01:43running, sir. We We were in danger. We
1:01:45We thought we were running from
1:01:48>> who? Your father. Yes.
1:01:49>> And who have you been talking to?
1:01:51>> Who's been talking to him?
1:01:52>> Who's come to help you?
1:01:53>> He has come to help you.
1:01:54>> And how is how old is Bla?
1:01:57He
1:01:57>> was born in July 1955.
1:02:02So,
1:02:03>> and you went through Navy training.
1:02:05You're a really big guy and you're that
1:02:08fearful of somebody that may or may not
1:02:11have even injured you that you really
1:02:13don't.
1:02:14>> Okay. And you didn't really believe it.
1:02:16Man, people say that you go to all this
1:02:18elaborate scheme to run and just so
1:02:21happens you have a $1.5 million judgment
1:02:24against you. Just so happens you lie
1:02:27have an attorney raising your hand and
1:02:30lying in official court during an
1:02:32official period that you've got $32
1:02:34million that you didn't have that you
1:02:36now believe you may not have had to
1:02:38begin with.
1:02:39>> Sir, you've lied and the lies just keep
1:02:42continuing and keep continuing to the
1:02:44end. And the only thing you want to try
1:02:47to convince me is that you're telling
1:02:49the truth.
1:02:49>> Yes, sir.
1:02:50>> And there is nothing there's not one
1:02:52thing in your life I can show that
1:02:53you've been truthful about.
1:02:56Tell me one thing,
1:02:58>> sir. I've been truthful about all of
1:03:00this. I mean, this absolutely shows that
1:03:02you haven't been. And by your own
1:03:04advision, you've lied about this. Lied
1:03:06about multiple things.
1:03:09That day, you're so vague and recall.
1:03:11You don't think I recall the specifics
1:03:13of where my wife had died, the doctor's
1:03:16office that was there, the doctor who's
1:03:18called me and mistakenly burned her
1:03:20ashes, and the the actual story of her
1:03:23death. You've told quite a few variances
1:03:26to quite a few of her friends that you
1:03:28reached out and talked to over time on
1:03:30what she actually died from.
1:03:36>> Her friends? No, sir.
1:03:37>> Okay.
1:03:38>> So, you didn't tell any of her friends
1:03:39why she had died? No, I told I told that
1:03:42our close my understanding was that our
1:03:44close friends were the only people that
1:03:46have their life.
1:03:47>> So if you were really into the
1:03:49protection and scared, why would you be
1:03:51calling all these people telling me
1:03:53telling them where you were moving and
1:03:54what you were doing?
1:03:58You created a story that she was dead
1:04:00even before she's dead. Um you're dating
1:04:04before she went on dating online. I was
1:04:07You ever heard this thing about Ray
1:04:09Charles?
1:04:10You remember Ray Charles?
1:04:11>> Yes, sir.
1:04:12>> Ray Charles was blind.
1:04:13>> Yes, sir. Okay.
1:04:14>> Ray Charles can see this
1:04:17very clearly. Just the big question is
1:04:21why did you just get tired of her? Um
1:04:24were you wanting to move on because she
1:04:26was not pregnant? Was there some type of
1:04:28argument? Did she strike you, sir,
1:04:30>> that led to that?
1:04:31>> No, sir. The biggest question is why you
1:04:34killed her and why you disposed of her.
1:04:43>> Did when you when you took her there,
1:04:44she went there. What happened to her
1:04:46wedding ring?
1:04:47>> I was given her wedding ring. When when
1:04:49I came back in the uh when I got her
1:04:51ashes, her her wedding rings were were
1:04:53in the
1:04:54>> Where's that?
1:04:55>> I there harra de Grace, Maryland, where
1:04:59I scattered her ashes or didn't scatter
1:05:01her. Thought I set her directions. My
1:05:03wedding ring and her wedding band and
1:05:05her wedding ring.
1:05:06>> That's where you put them.
1:05:07>> Yes, I put them in the water there. It's
1:05:09one of her favorite places.
1:05:10>> What about her um earrings?
1:05:14>> I don't recall.
1:05:22Your
1:05:24your world of lies. We We have picked it
1:05:27apart. We picked it apart before we came
1:05:30to Pennsylvania,
1:05:32but since it got out, there's even been
1:05:34more people they called, more people
1:05:36that had more stories that you spun off
1:05:38of this. I get that you're scared.
1:05:42Everybody I've talked to, this is not
1:05:44who you are. They don't think you're a
1:05:46monster, but they don't believe your
1:05:47story.
1:05:50They don't believe any of it anymore.
1:05:52>> Sir, I've been lying to you for years.
1:05:54>> And they're lying to everybody else now.
1:05:57It broke. You got to that point and it
1:05:59broke.
1:06:02Whatever it was that made you snap,
1:06:05whether it was you just had to get out.
1:06:07You didn't want to tell her you wanted
1:06:08to leave. You didn't want to accept that
1:06:10she wasn't pregnant or you were scared
1:06:12and terrified that now you have this new
1:06:13relationship that was up and budding and
1:06:15you didn't
1:06:17this is somebody I had never met.
1:06:19>> And now you're married. After you tell
1:06:21your your former in-laws, after you tell
1:06:24them you fabricate a message and send it
1:06:26to them and tell them that you died in a
1:06:28car wreck.
1:06:28>> I did not do that. You did do that.
1:06:30>> I did not do that.
1:06:31>> You did do that.
1:06:33>> But you and you tell other people and
1:06:34then people reach out and they find you
1:06:36again.
1:06:37>> Yeah. You got Jim hiding you out on this
1:06:40big top secret security stuff and people
1:06:43still reach out and find you and say,
1:06:44"Hey, Nick, are you I heard you died.
1:06:45Are you okay?" "Yeah, I'm okay. I lost."
1:06:47Yeah. Car burn up. Yeah. camera reached
1:06:50out and I I told you about this. I was
1:06:52really concerned because she said that
1:06:54that they thought I had died. They were
1:06:56calling around saying that I had died in
1:06:58a car accident. And
1:06:59>> so if Cameron could find you, why
1:07:01weren't you terrified that somebody else
1:07:02could?
1:07:03>> I I thought I thought that at this point
1:07:05that that I was safe, that that the name
1:07:07change was the last step in
1:07:10>> in being allowed to to live a life, you
1:07:12know, and not be hunted down. Cameron
1:07:15Cameron knew my name. She had she had
1:07:17known it for she had known it that we
1:07:20were changing our name to that for I
1:07:21don't know how long. I I forget when we
1:07:23when we said that we told our friends
1:07:25and our close family the people we
1:07:27thought we were still going to have in
1:07:28our life.
1:07:28>> Who was your close family? Was it Betsy
1:07:30and Frank?
1:07:31>> Betsy and Frank. And then
1:07:32>> so you're going to get them through all
1:07:34these lies when we unravel all this
1:07:36because they bought it. They loved you.
1:07:38Frank loved you. He said he loved you
1:07:40like a son. You know how hard it was for
1:07:41us to even convince him of who we really
1:07:44were because they bought into your
1:07:46heart. He knows that because he got
1:07:48email that day. Yeah.
1:07:52I can prove that. What email? The email
1:07:54you got that we were talking to Betsy.
1:07:56The email that the FBI had talked to
1:07:58Betsy. The proton email that you thought
1:08:01was encrypted wouldn't go by and we
1:08:03couldn't get. Guess what? They're
1:08:06encrypted, but we can still get them. It
1:08:08just takes more work. It's like layers.
1:08:10Sir, I I I don't I don't know what
1:08:12>> you've been security expert that you're
1:08:14talking about and that you know that
1:08:16you've been in security and development
1:08:17software and programs and AI which is
1:08:20the capture that you don't even have
1:08:22anymore. You should know that we're
1:08:24capable of getting that kind of thing.
1:08:27Um so you knew we were there. We were
1:08:29there to talk to Bessie.
1:08:32>> You knew that the sir I'm not sure what
1:08:34you're talking about.
1:08:35>> We're not going to get in that. analyze
1:08:37so much that there's no no reason to
1:08:39show you everything. I'm just to let it
1:08:42continue on. I gave you a chance to get
1:08:43tell the truth. You're clearly not going
1:08:46to tell the truth as we're going.
1:08:49>> So,
1:08:50same way. Um would you know your last
1:08:54driver's license will be in
1:08:55Pennsylvania?
1:08:56>> Yes, sir.
1:08:56>> Um you're unemployed correctly?
1:08:58>> Yes, sir. And your spouse is Samantha.
1:09:06>> K O L E S.
1:09:07>> Oh, I can spell that.
1:09:09>> And what? You only put the same address
1:09:11as you?
1:09:12>> Uh, 590 Centerville Road. What address
1:09:14do you
1:09:15>> uh number? Uh, it's number five. Uh,
1:09:19rank R A N C K.
1:09:22>> Mhm.
1:09:22>> Blame
1:09:25uh in Li Ti Tz.
1:09:29Pennsylvania.
1:09:31>> And your father is Ryan?
1:09:33>> Yes, sir.
1:09:39>> And what's his address?
1:09:41>> 117.
1:09:42>> Mhm.
1:09:43>> Sandy Hollow Road.
1:09:51Time is FITZ.
1:09:53William.
1:09:55>> Okay.
1:09:58That's New Hampshire.
1:10:00And your mother,
1:10:01>> Linda Cassot,
1:10:06same address.
1:10:08>> Yep. And Brenda Christopher.
1:10:11>> Yep.
1:10:12>> Do you know his address?
1:10:13>> I do not, sir. I believe he's out of
1:10:15Michigan.
1:10:23>> Okay.
1:10:25And is he out your own brother?
1:10:27>> Yes, sir.
1:10:28>> And what about sisters?
1:10:29>> No sisters.
1:10:30>> No sisters. Okay. All right. This is
1:10:32just basically the information that we
1:10:33took off your booking. Um I understand
1:10:36at one point you had a tattoo.
1:10:38>> Absolutely.
1:10:38>> Okay. Did you try to have that tattoo
1:10:40removed?
1:10:40>> No, sir.
1:10:41>> Okay. All right. Where's your tattoo?
1:10:43>> It's on my chest.
1:10:44>> You want to see that? A little bit on
1:10:46me.
1:10:46>> Okay.
1:10:49And what's it? It's a clap. C L A D H E
1:10:53H.
1:10:58Your teeth are all
1:11:08sign right here. And that begins your
1:11:09jail process.
1:11:28Well, then one other thing. Um, the lie
1:11:31about the DNA tested.
1:11:34You told me that Jim had your DNA
1:11:36tested.
1:11:36>> Yes, sir.
1:11:37>> You tell others that you've had your DNA
1:11:39tested. Was that through Jim?
1:11:41>> Yes, sir.
1:11:41>> Okay. Do we need another DNA test to
1:11:44prove that your mother and father are
1:11:46your mother and go father?
1:11:49>> I believe.
1:11:50>> So the evidence shows that Jim's li.
1:11:53Well, guess what? The evidence going to
1:11:55show that you're lying about multiple
1:11:57things.
1:11:57>> Sorry about it already has showed that
1:12:00you're lying and going to continue to
1:12:01lie. Um,
1:12:04lots of people we deal with, we deal
1:12:06with people that lies. We continue to
1:12:08lie. We would make mistakes and get them
1:12:09off your chest. While you're sitting
1:12:11back here waiting for months and months
1:12:13and time, you know, you had the
1:12:14opportunity to tell the truth.
1:12:16>> Sir, I told the truth to the best of my
1:12:18ability.
1:12:18>> The truth is just too hard to tell. Um,
1:12:21>> you've continued to lie. You lied to
1:12:23them again and you continue to lie in
1:12:24the end. And that's where we're at. You
1:12:27understand that? So, this is your
1:12:29opportunity here now to say what
1:12:31happened in that room
1:12:34at that house
1:12:36with her with Mandy. Sir, nothing
1:12:39happened.
1:12:42>> Yes.
1:12:43>> All right, sir. You really going to put
1:12:44the price through all this?
1:12:47>> Sir, I never I've never heard.
1:12:49>> They loved you,
1:12:50>> sir. I love him.
1:12:52>> You love me?
1:12:53>> Yes, sir.
1:12:55>> Cuz the evidence shows that whoever did
1:12:57that really loved her, they went into a
1:12:59rage.
1:13:00>> Sir, I never never heard of either.
1:13:04[Music]
1:13:14[Music]
1:13:16get you living. I want to ask you a few
1:13:17more questions.
1:13:19>> Yes, sir.
1:13:21>> So, there's other place that might be
1:13:26left storage in in Lancaster.
1:13:30Um, you can look it up the address. I
1:13:33believe it's either 140 or 170
1:13:36independent support.
1:13:37>> Okay.
1:13:40I have, you know, all my stuff in there
1:13:43that I didn't have.
1:13:46It's in It's in West Lancaster.
1:13:51You some food? I'm sorry.
1:13:58Um,
1:13:59if you will tell me tell me some more
1:14:01about Jim.
1:14:03Jim came into our life in late
1:14:08late 20 late late 2017, early 2018.
1:14:13Um,
1:14:16I'm not sure what had happened first,
1:14:18but we had had issues with our bank
1:14:21accounts, both our joint accounts and
1:14:23and uh and individual accounts. Um,
1:14:29we had issues with our mail. Um, just
1:14:32going missing, not showing up.
1:14:34>> I remember all this from Pennsylvania.
1:14:35Yes, sir.
1:14:36>> So, um, and you said at some point you
1:14:38talked to it.
1:14:39>> Yeah. you. So, I I believe in both Mindy
1:14:42and I filed some online FBI reports.
1:14:45>> Online FBI.
1:14:47Um,
1:14:47>> so y'all didn't sit down with anybody?
1:14:50>> Well, I I thought we did, but um several
1:14:54I think several days afterwards, I tried
1:14:58to leave a messenger for somebody that I
1:15:00knew worked at DFJ. I wasn't sure that
1:15:02it reached him because the phone did.
1:15:06>> His name was Dave Carpel. Um he was an
1:15:09attorney in their uh organized crime
1:15:12division.
1:15:12>> I'll butcher his last name. C A R P E L
1:15:15>> I believe it is K A R P E L. Um
1:15:23I he was a reservist. Um and I had
1:15:26called the the ROSA not the ROSA the uh
1:15:31whatever the the criminal justice
1:15:33department is and asked if they had a
1:15:34recall and perform. Um, and I called and
1:15:37I left a message. Um, but I I wasn't
1:15:40sure I had reached him. Um, what what
1:15:44about Okay, so I I'm clear of all that
1:15:47what you alleged with Jim back then and
1:15:49then
1:15:50up until
1:15:52uh when you went and filed for your
1:15:54marriage license with Samantha.
1:15:56>> Okay.
1:15:57>> Okay. Then what happened with you?
1:16:00>> After I filed for the marriage license,
1:16:02>> uh, he told me how to fill it out. Um,
1:16:05he told me he didn't think I should be
1:16:06married to Samantha, that he thought I
1:16:08should leave Pennsylvania.
1:16:10>> Why did he say that?
1:16:11>> He said he didn't think it was a good
1:16:12idea. He thought that that it was was
1:16:15too soon for me, that I
1:16:19that it would be healthy. Um, that
1:16:24given my past, I would be better off
1:16:26trying to settle down and start over
1:16:28somewhere else.
1:16:31Where did the money come from that he
1:16:32gave you with in the check?
1:16:34>> My understanding was that is it came
1:16:36from money that he has held in trust for
1:16:39me for some time to keep it safe.
1:16:42>> And where would the money come from
1:16:45to be put in the trust
1:16:47>> from from work on on this software if it
1:16:52was I don't know if it was licensing or
1:16:54sale. It was told different things over
1:16:56over different years.
1:16:58>> What about Peter? Do you know Peter from
1:17:00Microsoft?
1:17:01>> I I spoke I used to speak regularly with
1:17:04somebody I thought was Peter. It was
1:17:06somebody who I actually met. Um how do
1:17:09you spell his last name?
1:17:11>> A N A M.
1:17:14>> And he was somebody you met at the JAG
1:17:16conference.
1:17:17>> Yes. Uh and a veteran veterans legal
1:17:21career fair.
1:17:24>> And what kind of stuff did he talk to
1:17:26you about? uh when we when we originally
1:17:29met, he was, you know, we we talked
1:17:30about uh cyber investigations, things of
1:17:33that nature, the things that he worked
1:17:34on there. He's the head of one of their
1:17:36cyber investigations units. Um,
1:17:40and
1:17:41when I first met with, uh, in one of my
1:17:46first meetings with Jim, uh, I had
1:17:49referenced, you know, that I was looking
1:17:50for remote work, that I'd spoken to
1:17:52somebody at Microsoft, um, and he said
1:17:54that he knew him and would would put me
1:17:57back in contact with them and then put
1:17:58it in the work. When was this?
1:18:01This was sometime in that late 2017
1:18:04early 2018 before the war all went
1:18:07sideways with co
1:18:09>> Yeah. I mean two years before. Um but I
1:18:13was I had left active duty uh
1:18:18unofficially sometime of September 2017.
1:18:22Officially it was September 30th. Um
1:18:25military does this
1:18:27uh what's it called? the terminal leave
1:18:30where if you have vacation time
1:18:34it's it's better for you if you just
1:18:36take it um don't work and and you know
1:18:40the best benefit to be working but my my
1:18:43hire didn't work um I had accepted a job
1:18:46with the board for correction and naval
1:18:48records
1:18:49>> um doing veterans work and
1:18:53um
1:18:56that
1:18:57>> I was there from I think I think my
1:19:01start date was October 3rd, whatever
1:19:03that went. It was a Monday in early
1:19:04October. The first Monday in October was
1:19:08um and it was a benefit in a couple
1:19:10different ways. Um
1:19:13I
1:19:14I my client there um the person that I
1:19:19worked in an office with and provide
1:19:20legal advice to was the head of the
1:19:22board of correctional records. Her name
1:19:25was Beth something.
1:19:30Um,
1:19:33my boss, my reporting senior, was an
1:19:36attorney with the Navy's office uh of
1:19:40manpower and reserve affairs and they
1:19:43had very different views of what the
1:19:44goal should be. Um Beth thought that you
1:19:48know Beth wanted to concentrate on
1:19:50moving cases and their their view was
1:19:53that this is a legal position. There are
1:19:55a lot of people there who review cases
1:19:58like you should be concentrating on on
1:20:00different issues than that. Um
1:20:03I felt like it was a a bad a bad setup
1:20:07from very early on. Um maybe was in a
1:20:10car accident late October. We were both
1:20:13in a car accident, but he was very hurt
1:20:14in the car accident. Um,
1:20:19and I was away for a week at a
1:20:21conference. But I mean, by the time I
1:20:24think before Beth and I had spent two
1:20:26full weeks in the office actually
1:20:27together, she had accidentally boarded
1:20:29me an email where she said to somebody
1:20:32she worked with that that she she had
1:20:35wished that she hired him for the
1:20:36position instead of me.
1:20:39which you know as as somebody who put
1:20:41that on was probationary. Um,
1:20:43>> yeah,
1:20:44>> but kind of put the handwriting on the
1:20:46wall that I should be looking at other
1:20:48options and I I began immediately
1:20:54um
1:20:58and this was going on while while we
1:21:00were having these these other issues um
1:21:04with with the mail and um I forget
1:21:08exactly when the the pandem started. I
1:21:10believe it started at this point.
1:21:13Um,
1:21:15I came home one day, um, and Mindy said
1:21:19that an FBI agent come to the house, um,
1:21:22that that, uh, you know, he was curious
1:21:24about what was going on and, you know,
1:21:28wanted to meet with us both and talk
1:21:29about it and I think we met a couple
1:21:31days later.
1:21:32>> That was Jim. That was Jim.
1:21:36>> Um, they show you any credentials or
1:21:37anything?
1:21:38>> I don't recall. Um,
1:21:44so when
1:21:48how did you tell or inform Jen that
1:21:50Mindy had passed away?
1:21:53>> I I think I sent him a message that
1:21:56night.
1:21:57>> You sent him How did you send him a
1:21:59message?
1:21:59>> Uh, on signal.
1:22:01>> On signal?
1:22:01>> Yep.
1:22:02>> And you don't remember any phone numbers
1:22:03you called him on or anything?
1:22:05>> He changed phone numbers more frequently
1:22:07than I changed phone numbers.
1:22:08>> And what did he say?
1:22:10He said he said he was shocked that he
1:22:12was really upset. Uh he asked what I
1:22:14needed.
1:22:15>> So he didn't ask about like getting a
1:22:18death certificate or anything?
1:22:19>> No, sir.
1:22:21>> Okay. And you know you you did go to
1:22:25Boston and George Washington law and
1:22:27stuff, right?
1:22:28>> Georgetown. Yes. Georgetown.
1:22:30>> Yes, sir.
1:22:30>> Okay. And
1:22:33you know how important contracts and
1:22:35certificates are.
1:22:35>> Yes, sir. Would you not think that you
1:22:39might need that in order to move along
1:22:40and get remarried?
1:22:42>> No, sir. It hadn't occurred to me.
1:22:46Um I it was I don't know. I I was
1:22:51juggling a lot of things, but
1:22:53>> what what kind of things were you
1:22:55juggling? I mean leading the area, you
1:22:57know, finishing up the name change and,
1:22:59you know, I trying to contact some
1:23:02people of some friends of Mindy's who
1:23:05were hard to hard to find or harder to
1:23:07track down. Our old boss took
1:23:11took I think close to two weeks before I
1:23:13was able to reach her.
1:23:15>> Was it important to reach them?
1:23:16>> They were they've been very close. I
1:23:18wanted to tell
1:23:21>> How close would they have been if y'all
1:23:22been from anybody
1:23:23>> before that?
1:23:24>> Before that? Yeah, before that
1:23:26>> been years, right?
1:23:27>> It had been years. Yes, sir. I I don't
1:23:28know. I don't know if they spoke
1:23:31um in the in the intervening years much
1:23:34um after or at all, but but I felt you
1:23:38know
1:23:40and I spoke and
1:23:42and we were trying to think of people
1:23:45that would be important to tell that was
1:23:49as soon as starts probing you about like
1:23:51when are we going to be able to have
1:23:52this funeral? When are we going to be
1:23:53able to give her ashes? When are we
1:23:55going to be able to do anything? You
1:23:56don't find it ironic that she gets the
1:23:58email saying?
1:24:00>> No, sir. I didn't I didn't know she
1:24:02would got an email,
1:24:04>> but she suddenly just stopped talking to
1:24:06she stopped talking to me. So, I had I
1:24:09had some things stolen from me and
1:24:13I I spoke to Jim and he said that he was
1:24:16worried. I had spoken I'd spoken to him
1:24:19a few days before and I said that that I
1:24:22I'd spoken with him and I was a little
1:24:23concerned because I had said where I was
1:24:26um and he said that
1:24:31at the time he said okay you know you
1:24:33know it's uh Nick does any of this make
1:24:35sense to you? No sir. It didn't make
1:24:38sense to me that that they would that
1:24:41they would have any sort of ill will to
1:24:42me. But messages from them stopped.
1:24:48Like it was it was creepy. It was it was
1:24:51it was upsetting. And then I I hear
1:24:55nothing from them. I I I didn't used to
1:24:57go more than 48 hours without hearing
1:24:59from them after we
1:25:02I they pointed to him and I I left I
1:25:05left the area.
1:25:07We we talked all the time. We we texted
1:25:10we and then messages from Jim says, you
1:25:12know, hey, you know, there's something
1:25:14concerning going on here.
1:25:17What's concerning? They lost a number.
1:25:19>> Yeah. What's concerning is that still in
1:25:22the car. So now you can't talk to Frank
1:25:24and Bessie. Jim can talk to everybody
1:25:27else. You can talk to him.
1:25:30I I already spoke in with him at this
1:25:31point, but
1:25:33but he just said while he looked into
1:25:36it, be safe about it. You know,
1:25:39everybody had to deal with finding out
1:25:42the men who died from you. They hear it.
1:25:46They really can't deal closure because
1:25:48there's no none of the normal processes.
1:25:50There's no planning a funeral. There's
1:25:53no attending a funeral. There's no any
1:25:56type of memorance of life or anything
1:25:58put out there. Nothing going on that
1:26:00gives people the ability to have some
1:26:02closure and say goodbye.
1:26:05>> Yes, sir.
1:26:06>> Is that said to me, Tim?
1:26:08>> You're robbing the family of that and
1:26:10you're going to put them through all
1:26:13these lies and continue to spring out
1:26:15that no, we've already showed you the
1:26:17evidence. We've already told you about
1:26:19what we have and what everything shows.
1:26:22You start to see it when you talk about
1:26:24leaving those totes down in the dirt.
1:26:26You start to see it.
1:26:30Sir, I don't think you're a monster.
1:26:34I think you've been running for too long
1:26:37and this was a way out.
1:26:41One thing one thing stood in the way and
1:26:44you didn't know how to do it.
1:26:48Sir, if I wanted to run for Mindy, I I
1:26:50could have gotten in my car and left for
1:26:52another baby.
1:26:54Yes, sir. I wasn't trying to run for
1:26:56midday, but but I'm saying if I if I had
1:27:00wanted to get away, we moved into that
1:27:03house in June or July. I'm sure you
1:27:05know. Um I I don't know the exact date,
1:27:07but we we moved in that house June or
1:27:10July. I left it in early December.
1:27:14Mindy went outside one time in in those
1:27:17months, and it was for five minutes to
1:27:19see the the new car,
1:27:22>> right?
1:27:24Like like I I I could have walked out
1:27:27the door at any point if I wanted to get
1:27:29away, but I didn't want to I didn't want
1:27:30to get away.
1:27:31>> What? What happened?
1:27:32>> Sir, I don't know what happened.
1:27:34>> You do know what happened.
1:27:35>> I don't.
1:27:35>> You do know what happened. And the
1:27:37evidence shows us what happened.
1:27:40>> So, it's going to be our evidence
1:27:42against your story of Jim.
1:27:45>> Jim and your story of the doctor.
1:27:48>> Jim who who told us what to do. There's
1:27:50no Jim.
1:27:51>> No, sir. If there is nothing for you,
1:27:54>> there was a Jamie McIntyre that worked
1:27:56at Ben.
1:27:59>> He didn't know you either. But I'm just
1:28:01saying
1:28:01>> I I don't
1:28:05>> like I I never heard Mindy. Like nothing
1:28:08we did for years would make sense under
1:28:10any, you know, under any other sort of
1:28:13caveat.
1:28:14>> You didn't you didn't hurt Mindy, but
1:28:15yet you were telling Samantha back in
1:28:17September that your wife had died.
1:28:19>> Yeah. In fall. In September, you had
1:28:22already told another woman that your
1:28:25wife was dead.
1:28:26>> He told multiple people.
1:28:28>> You You had started this story, Mark.
1:28:30>> No, sir. I told multiple people.
1:28:32>> And you don't tell her mom and dad that
1:28:34until after it becomes reality?
1:28:36>> No, sir. Starting back in 2020, fall
1:28:402020, Mindy got really sick.
1:28:42>> I I understand Mindy had thyroid issues
1:28:44and she was really sick and she had
1:28:46other kind of problems going on.
1:28:48And I don't doubt that she probably
1:28:50acted asleep around the house. She was
1:28:51probably afraid of what you were going
1:28:53to do if you found out she wasn't
1:28:54pregnant.
1:28:56Sorry about this.
1:29:01Nick, you had a very successful life
1:29:05and it got robbed from you.
1:29:07>> Yes, sir.
1:29:08>> I have an ex-wife. I can fully
1:29:10understand the rage and frustration that
1:29:12can cause even when you're not attached
1:29:14with them anymore. You have been running
1:29:17all this time trying to get away that
1:29:19she still has that control over you. She
1:29:22still has that court order out there
1:29:24lingering over your head. You can't get
1:29:27back to where you were with Mindy
1:29:29because you're still running from that
1:29:30past. Sir, I didn't know I was I didn't
1:29:33know that past life.
1:29:37>> The judge told you he wanted movement on
1:29:39that case by the following Wednesday.
1:29:41You said, "Yes, sir. I'll take care of
1:29:42it. I got 32 million in assets. I think
1:29:44I'll take care of it."
1:29:44>> Yes, sir. You never show back up for
1:29:47court. You know you can't do that. You
1:29:49know there's repercussions if you do
1:29:50that.
1:29:51>> Yes, sir.
1:29:51>> And that is when this all spiraled out
1:29:53of control. And for you men to live your
1:29:55best lives away from all this. You hid
1:29:58out. You hid out. The lies kept rolling
1:30:00until you just kept on going. You felt
1:30:03good living there with her family, her
1:30:05mom and dad. Not her brother, but her
1:30:07mom and dad.
1:30:08>> I felt good living with your brother,
1:30:09too.
1:30:10>> Yeah.
1:30:11>> Because he needed y'all to do something.
1:30:13It's not It's not normal, man. you have
1:30:15such a successful background and you're
1:30:17you're you know you're smart. So I get
1:30:21it. You know it it's you got to do
1:30:24something and then the pregnancy what
1:30:27you wanted you want this family.
1:30:29>> Yes sir. I thought everything we worked
1:30:31for for years was to to get somewhere
1:30:33and get safe.
1:30:37>> So
1:30:39>> I thought that wasn't an argument that
1:30:40started that morning. Were you already
1:30:42thinking I'm leaving? Were you going to
1:30:43inform her about not being pregnant?
1:30:45>> No, sir. I Sir, I I thought she was
1:30:47pregnant until the beginning of this
1:30:49>> I I know you I know you thought she was
1:30:51pregnant.
1:30:54>> And she told everybody. She told her
1:30:55friends. She told family. Everybody
1:30:57thought she was pregnant.
1:30:58>> Yes, sir.
1:31:00Come on, Nick. It's
1:31:05I I never again robbing all these people
1:31:07you said you care about. her friends,
1:31:09her family, everybody you called and
1:31:12told that you thought needed to know she
1:31:14had passed away. They're going to have
1:31:16to relive all that and go through this
1:31:17trial and lose her piece by piece again.
1:31:21>> Sir, I know.
1:31:26>> Well, I don't think you intended to hurt
1:31:28Wendy, but I think something snapped.
1:31:30The pressure of all this, all these lies
1:31:33coming to a head,
1:31:35>> sir. Something happened.
1:31:37>> What? What pressure, sir? We we had we
1:31:39had money. We were comfortable. We
1:31:41>> You see it in your head when you
1:31:43describe setting those folks down.
1:31:45There's a reason why that memory sticks
1:31:47out of your mind.
1:31:50You don't see it, but I see it in you. I
1:31:52see. I see when you say it. I watch you
1:31:55and pause cuz you're getting that
1:31:57horrific mental image when you do that.
1:32:01>> Yes, sir.
1:32:02>> Yes, sir.
1:32:04That's something you got to live with.
1:32:06But do you want to live with it in the
1:32:07way of a lie to everybody for the rest
1:32:10of your life?
1:32:13Or is it time that you understand like
1:32:17I just couldn't live this anymore? She
1:32:18wanted more. She told me she wasn't
1:32:21pregnant or she kept lying. I knew she
1:32:22wasn't pregnant. She took another
1:32:24pregnancy test. What What will happen?
1:32:27>> Sorry, nothing happened. If she if if
1:32:30she wasn't pregnant, if she lost if she
1:32:31lost a baby, we
1:32:32>> if you took her to a medical facility
1:32:34and she was they were able to perform an
1:32:36autopsy and stuff, they could have just
1:32:37incinerated the body then and we
1:32:39wouldn't have it.
1:32:40>> They could have given me her ashes and
1:32:42sent you on down the road and created
1:32:43fake documents.
1:32:45That that is such an elaborate
1:32:47far-fetched scheme that yes, you need to
1:32:49keep that down to write it in a book,
1:32:51but that's not what happened then. And
1:32:53you know it's not what happened. And
1:32:55when you drove out there and you went
1:32:57out to the middle of nowhere, you know
1:32:58that's not what happened.
1:33:01There was no guy that took the totes
1:33:02from you from the back.
1:33:03>> Yes, there was.
1:33:04>> There's nobody out there, Nick.
1:33:08There's nobody out there.
1:33:12>> 25,000 acres of swamp and p farmwood.
1:33:17>> Sir, I I I drove out. I want a specific
1:33:21way. I was I was told you the out.
1:33:24>> You took the toes out.
1:33:25>> Yes, sir.
1:33:26>> You were trying to cover him up.
1:33:27>> No, sir.
1:33:28>> It was horrible.
1:33:29>> No, sir.
1:33:30>> You were trying to get away from it. It
1:33:32just wanted to release. You wanted to be
1:33:34free.
1:33:34>> No, sir.
1:33:36>> I was doing what I was told to. I did
1:33:38what I was told to for years.
1:33:41>> Somebody that doesn't care about Mindy
1:33:43doesn't cover up the head.
1:33:45The head's the only thing that's going
1:33:47to hold on to that semblance of who that
1:33:49person was and be that reminder.
1:33:53That's why it was so important that you
1:33:54had to conceal that.
1:33:57You had to get that closure and get that
1:34:00done. Give her some peace. Give her some
1:34:02closure, sir.
1:34:05>> Give her some peace, sir. I never give
1:34:09her family some peace. Give Frank and
1:34:11Betsy some peace. Sir, I I would have
1:34:13done that.
1:34:14>> You can't?
1:34:14>> I can't. I don't know what happened.
1:34:16>> You do know what happened? You never
1:34:18hurt her.
1:34:19>> You were the one in that car with her
1:34:21body driving out there,
1:34:23>> sir. Yeah.
1:34:24>> Yes. He used those totes to carry the
1:34:26parts.
1:34:27>> No, sir. Use those totes for our things.
1:34:30>> No, you didn't.
1:34:32And wiped him down with the wipes that
1:34:34were out there and he threw out a bag of
1:34:36dirty clothes that were cut up.
1:34:40>> No, sir. Yes, you did. N
1:34:44>> I'm sorry. No, I I I didn't do any of
1:34:47this.
1:34:48>> You did?
1:34:51>> Are you Are you going to stay with this
1:34:53and this is the monster you want people
1:34:54to see you as? That you're capable of
1:34:56killing your wife?
1:34:58>> You love you live there with your
1:35:00in-laws.
1:35:00>> Yes, sir.
1:35:01>> That you told were your family?
1:35:02>> Yes.
1:35:03>> You told You sold them that they were
1:35:05your real family closer to anybody else.
1:35:07>> Yes, sir. I told them to die.
1:35:08>> And so, you're going to betray all that.
1:35:10No sir, he entrusted you. You were such
1:35:13a civil chivalous man and such a good
1:35:15man. You came to them to ask for her
1:35:17hand in marriage. Jes
1:35:21let me be the protector of your
1:35:22daughter.
1:35:23>> Yes, sir.
1:35:23>> Let me take her in. Let me give her this
1:35:25life. Let me share it with her. Yes. And
1:35:28you swore a vow in front of God and
1:35:30everybody.
1:35:31>> Yes, sir.
1:35:34You didn't protect it from yourself,
1:35:35Nick.
1:35:37>> Yes, sir. You did not. But
1:35:42I didn't hurt her.
1:35:43>> You did hurt her.
1:35:44>> No, I put her in this. She should have
1:35:47never been in this situation. We should
1:35:48have never listened to Jan.
1:35:51There's no gender.
1:35:52>> There is a jam. There's
1:35:53>> So we moved every four.
1:35:56>> You're right. So you're right. Leave
1:35:57your career your your career buddy
1:36:00military to have a family and stop
1:36:02moving around.
1:36:03>> Yeah. But some [ __ ] that comes in off
1:36:05the street that you don't even know a
1:36:07phone number or credentials for tells
1:36:09you to move around with your life and
1:36:11you're okay with doing it.
1:36:12>> Yeah, we were terrified
1:36:14of your father who you now you call back
1:36:16for and and you know, hey, sorry dad,
1:36:19I'm in I'm in some [ __ ]
1:36:22>> I asked him that's the first thing I
1:36:23asked him was attack.
1:36:31>> It's not about your father, Nick. It's
1:36:33not about anything else other than you
1:36:36wanted a new start.
1:36:40What made you want this new start?
1:36:45For somebody who loves someone so much,
1:36:47those are the people that when they do
1:36:49snap, when stress does get there, they
1:36:51can do something so powerful. That love
1:36:53is way up here and it can swing way back
1:36:55over here, too.
1:36:57>> Sir, I was so frustrated with my first
1:37:01wife when I got divorced.
1:37:02I was so furious. I had to get away. I
1:37:05was
1:37:06>> because I didn't know what I would do.
1:37:08>> Heather cheated on me, sir. She cheated
1:37:10on me and she married the man she
1:37:11cheated on me with the day after divorce
1:37:14was 5 months.
1:37:14>> Well, mom couldn't marry the man she
1:37:16cheated on me with because he had a wife
1:37:18still that made a mother. So that's
1:37:20where that stays.
1:37:23I have kids with her. I still deal with
1:37:26that all the time. That's her control
1:37:28over me. Heather's control over you that
1:37:30you can't get away from is that that
1:37:32suit. You've never dealt with it.
1:37:34>> Sir, I thought I had the only reason I
1:37:36signed the settlement is because Jim
1:37:38told me that the money was there. The
1:37:40settlement would make no sense
1:37:41otherwise.
1:37:42>> So, the the we we stipulated to uh to
1:37:47the
1:37:48the judgment
1:37:521.5 million.
1:37:53>> Yes.
1:37:55But the judge said you wanted a movement
1:37:57by next Wednesday and you never came
1:37:58back
1:37:59>> because Jim told me at that point that
1:38:00he'd get a job.
1:38:01>> Cuz you know you can't listen to that.
1:38:03You You know you can't that you'd have
1:38:05to have proof. You would want that
1:38:06closure. You'd want that proof.
1:38:08>> In your mind, you might have said,
1:38:10"Okay, this is this is what's going to
1:38:12happen. This is what I'm going to tell
1:38:13you." Because you wanted to get away.
1:38:15You couldn't tell him the truth. You
1:38:16couldn't tell Frank and Betsy running
1:38:18from a million alcohol. I I don't know.
1:38:20I mean, here's the thing is you get
1:38:25hold you away for a million half
1:38:26dollars. They even made you pay
1:38:27payments. It would have sucked. It would
1:38:30have sucked. But you could have been out
1:38:31from all these lies and the pressure it
1:38:36the terms of the agreement that that we
1:38:38were having issues.
1:38:39>> It doesn't matter.
1:38:40>> I mean, it does matter because this goes
1:38:41back to to how we relied so much on Jim.
1:38:44>> I'm not worried about how much you reli
1:38:51spent providing for you. This is your
1:38:54fault. I have those records. I've been
1:38:55through it. I see what you went to
1:38:57Starbucks, you ordered Chinese takeout,
1:38:59you know, all everything you paid for
1:39:01the Airbnbs that you lived at over in
1:39:03Hilton Head.
1:39:05>> All that money, you didn't work for any
1:39:07of it.
1:39:08>> Can't have people taking care of you and
1:39:10you all developed into this life where
1:39:11you were just like nobody
1:39:15>> little people that just had everything
1:39:18coming to you.
1:39:19>> So, we didn't have you over most of the
1:39:22time. We we got food delivered because
1:39:26we couldn't be going out.
1:39:27>> You could be going out. If all that's
1:39:29true, you wouldn't have drove out here
1:39:32all the way out here in your car, I
1:39:34think.
1:39:37>> I I don't know where where here is.
1:39:39>> Well, you you might not know exactly
1:39:41where it is at or what it's called, but
1:39:43this is where you came. Liberty County
1:39:44Liberty County is where you came.
1:39:46>> Okay.
1:39:47>> Okay.
1:39:48>> That is where you set the toes down.
1:39:50They didn't have belongings on clothing
1:39:52or toiletries or anything. I packed them
1:39:54myself that morning.
1:39:55>> I know you packed them yourself.
1:39:58I know you packed them yourself. Nate,
1:40:02it's not what you think.
1:40:05It was Mindy's body.
1:40:06>> Wasn't sacrifice.
1:40:08>> It was.
1:40:12That's where she was at. Like I said, it
1:40:15buried the head because that was the
1:40:17part that was close. That's the part
1:40:18that makes it real,
1:40:20>> sir. Yeah.
1:40:21>> Yes, Nick.
1:40:23>> Yes,
1:40:23>> sir. I never saw Mindy after she passed
1:40:26away.
1:40:27>> I never heard Vendy.
1:40:28>> You might have told yourself you didn't
1:40:30see her anymore, but that is her that
1:40:32you put out there. That's fair.
1:40:38>> Or I can do like I I
1:40:40>> you can
1:40:42you can let everybody have their closure
1:40:45and try to explain what happened instead
1:40:48of continuing to lie and hurt everybody
1:40:52because frankus will deal with all the
1:40:54lies of holy crap, we've been living all
1:40:58these lies. There was no Microsoft stuff
1:41:01coming in. this money was coming from
1:41:03somewhere else. Cameron realizes that
1:41:06you weren't waiting on these big
1:41:07settlements to come in.
1:41:10We We were waiting on this money to come
1:41:12in.
1:41:12>> We met with bankers in Washington DC.
1:41:15Where's it at?
1:41:16>> Jim told me that we have it.
1:41:20>> If the banker's going to make a
1:41:22settlement with you in court, you have
1:41:24some kind of settlement coming to you
1:41:26and you're worried about being found,
1:41:28they're going to track you through that.
1:41:31Like I said, I found you really easy on
1:41:33Google.
1:41:36>> So, what I'm saying is you don't have
1:41:38somebody covering your tracks.
1:41:40>> I thought I did.
1:41:41>> You don't, Nick. And that's the thing is
1:41:43all the stress from running in from your
1:41:45own lives.
1:41:47>> So, sir, we gave him access to
1:41:49everything,
1:41:52our bank accounts, our social media
1:41:54accounts.
1:41:54>> And the problem is that this has nothing
1:41:57that Mindy's debt has nothing to do with
1:41:58J. Wendy's death has to do everything to
1:42:00do with you and her relationship.
1:42:02Wendy's death has everything to do with
1:42:04this web of lies that's coming crashing
1:42:06down. Samantha that you have been
1:42:08talking to. The lies you told everybody
1:42:11was already dead. And then her lie about
1:42:14the pregnancy.
1:42:17I didn't know she lied about the
1:42:18pregnancy. Well, she did because he was
1:42:21stabbed in the stomach. It wasn't there
1:42:23was no baby in there. Sorry. I didn't
1:42:25stab her in the stomach. I didn't stab
1:42:27her at all.
1:42:31Everybody is using this over and over
1:42:33again.
1:42:37You care about any of these people.
1:42:40Quit the lies. This isn't make this
1:42:42isn't a story.
1:42:44This isn't This isn't one of your Reddit
1:42:46stories. Yes, sir.
1:42:48>> This isn't one of Sam's stories.
1:42:50>> Yes, sir.
1:42:50>> This is real life.
1:42:51>> Yes, sir.
1:42:52>> And unfortunately, in real life, people
1:42:54do bad things to other people. It
1:42:56doesn't mean they're necessarily bad
1:42:58people. They have reasons why they do
1:43:00it. They get stressed out.
1:43:02>> Sir,
1:43:04but I I don't go into rages. I'm not an
1:43:08not an angry person.
1:43:09>> Everybody has a point.
1:43:13>> No different than you. I could get to my
1:43:14point one day and do something out of a
1:43:16bit of rage that I don't like. I punched
1:43:18walls at my house when I got mad. I was
1:43:19like walking by see the damn old wall.
1:43:21Damn, stupid ass. Why'd you do that? Cuz
1:43:23I got mad. I justify it to myself
1:43:25because you got mad.
1:43:28You got mad.
1:43:29>> No, sir. I didn't get mad.
1:43:31>> Yes, you did.
1:43:32>> Sir, in 2020, in late 2020, this didn't
1:43:36happen.
1:43:37>> I know, but but no, I I want to say this
1:43:39because in late 2020,
1:43:43we we were we were at a our lowest low.
1:43:47Minnie had been really sick. I thought
1:43:49she was going to die. Um,
1:43:52and we weren't allowed to tell anyone.
1:43:55We weren't allowed to tell our family.
1:43:56We weren't allowed to tell our friends.
1:43:58>> You chose not to tell anybody.
1:44:00>> No, we were told not to tell anyone
1:44:03>> by somebody that you don't even that
1:44:06doesn't like live with you every day.
1:44:07It's not doing anything for you. He
1:44:09wasn't providing for you in 2020.
1:44:11>> He was sometimes.
1:44:12>> No, Cameron was providing for you in
1:44:142020.
1:44:15>> No, he he brought things by. He He gave
1:44:17us He gave us money. He and and we
1:44:20thought he was keeping us safe. We
1:44:23didn't.
1:44:24>> And now that you find out your wife's
1:44:25body is out here discovered amongst
1:44:2725,000 acres,
1:44:29>> do you think you have somebody watching
1:44:31out for you making you feel safe?
1:44:32>> No, sir.
1:44:32>> Somebody that would let you take take
1:44:34your wife off and have her cremated?
1:44:36>> No, sir.
1:44:37>> And let you tell all these people that
1:44:38love and care about both of you that
1:44:41Mindy passed away, you can't do anything
1:44:42about it. Sorry. It's top secret.
1:44:45>> I never said that. Sorry.
1:44:47>> No, you're telling. I gave you the
1:44:49information that
1:44:49>> you told him you couldn't you couldn't
1:44:51have a memorial service. You told him
1:44:52there couldn't be a funeral that body.
1:44:55>> No, I said that there I said that we
1:44:56were absolutely
1:44:58>> what?
1:44:59>> I was waiting to find out.
1:45:00>> You're the husband.
1:45:02>> I understand your job.
1:45:04>> That is your job.
1:45:07>> I said what I was told. I
1:45:12>> Then who told you to kill your wife?
1:45:13>> Nobody told me to kill my wife and I
1:45:15didn't kill my wife.
1:45:16>> Cuz we loved your wife. Yes.
1:45:18>> And something got to you that day.
1:45:20>> No, sir.
1:45:20>> You've been building up and planning
1:45:22because you've already been planting the
1:45:24seed of she's dead with people.
1:45:26>> Sir, that date that goes back to 2020.
1:45:29Okay.
1:45:31>> Our pregnant.
1:45:36[Music]
1:45:42The interrogation may have shown
1:45:43Nicholas Casotus clinging to his story,
1:45:45but the evidence told a different tale.
1:45:48Investigators uncovered a trail of lies,
1:45:51secret moves, and forensic details that
1:45:53pointed back to him. Piece by piece, the
1:45:56case came together, and prosecutors
1:45:58brought it all before a jury in Liberty
1:46:00County, Georgia. After weeks of
1:46:02testimony, ranging from forensic experts
1:46:05to family members who had lived through
1:46:07the deception, the verdict was
1:46:09delivered. Nicholas Casotus was found
1:46:11guilty on every count. The judge
1:46:14described the crime as truly heinous,
1:46:16condemning Cassotus' years of deceit and
1:46:19the brutal way Mindy's life was taken.
1:46:21In the end, the once respected Navy
1:46:24lawyer was sentenced to life in prison
1:46:25without the possibility of parole, plus
1:46:2825 additional years. For Mindy's loved
1:46:31ones, it was a moment of justice after
1:46:33years of unanswered questions. The case
1:46:35stands as a chilling reminder of how far
1:46:37someone will go to maintain a facade and
1:46:40how ultimately the truth finds its way
1:46:41to the surface. If you found this video
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